Weight and Resistance Training - LWL # 230 Thanskgiving Week! Nov 21-27

11-21-2005, 08:01 AM
Good morning LWL,

It's Turkey week here in the US, and for me it's panic week. I'm cooking for 17, and was away this weekend, will be working Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday morning, driving to Baltimore airport (1 1/2 hours- no traffic) to retrieve dd on Wednesday afternoon. I haven't figured out when I'm cooking or cleaning. I did get 2 pies done and in the freezer on Friday, and the bird is resting in the freezer until tonight (how long does is take to thaw 25 pounds of solid meat?). The rest will get done somehow...or we'll have enough wine that no one cares ;)

I've been totally on plan for the last few days. Even carried ALL my food for the weekend and ignored a huge buffet table of typical pot-luck fare which seemed heavy on the bought desserts and candy. Not once, but twice. Yay me!

Back to regular lifting split this week after my week of full body workouts. I'll see how I do, I still don;t feel strong, but there's only one way to get that way :)

Gotta head to the gym,


11-21-2005, 08:59 AM
Hi LWL - Mel, I do not even want to think about how you will get everything done this week. What can I do to help? Yikes!

DH is home this week and I am looking forward to having him here. We have a list of things to clean out and de-clutter and I am looking forward to the "after". This is also the week I get my butt back in gear and lose the 7 pounds I have gained since my attack mid-Sep and regain control over my body.

I saw a doctor Sat who gave with one hand and took away with the other. She took away the running - no more, not ever. I am trying to process that. I intellectually get it, but have not gotten it emotionally. There are a lot of physical reasons, but I did not see the psychological coming. I have a bit of an addictive personality (see before picture and include 28 years of smoking) and realized I was running strictly for the "buzz" and not the health benefits. Every other thing I have done in the gym has been about control and mastery and working in harmony with my body and seeing how far "we" can go and what "we" can do. But the first time I ran it hit me like a drug and I wanted more and more. When I think back on it, I can tell the exact time it hit me that I needed "more and more" of this (after my first 5K). It is also like a drug that I need more to get the rush. I can see that I need to let it go and move back to control - writing this out has helped a lot.

On the other hand, she told me I am sleep deprived. Call it what ever you want (MS, periomenapause, stress, living in DC) but 4-5 hours of sleep a night with a 2-3 hour break in the middle is not a good night's sleep. So I started on something to help me sleep Sat night and I am feeling better. I am still up 3x a night to pee, but at least I can fall back asleep. Today is my exercise stress test at the hospital - I'll have results next week. I also have my first Pilates session with the PT who has other MS clients on Tues.

DH and I are planning a quiet TG at home, just the two of us (our choice). I am planning on giving myself a facial and foot scrub and being thankful for the warmth and support of my family and friends. ... And cooking a healthy and bountiful dinner with love and joy and fresh ingredients. Wishing you al lthe same ...

Today is the first day of my regaining control ... these are my choices

11-21-2005, 10:38 AM
Ellen, HUGS FROM MICHIGAN to you. I will keep you in my prayers that you will find new ways to get your exercise in and achieve the endorphin highs that are necessary to you and to so many more of us as well. Your plans for Thanksgiving sound great.

Mel, you need a clone, maybe two of them.

I attended the cheer awards banquet last night and received the Coach of the Year award. I was very pleased. I almost skipped breakfast this AM but decided that I would go back home, make my egg white omelette with ff cheese and fresh tomatoes and pack a healthy lunch. I don't need to leave ANYTHING up to chance. Tonight is Kwando class and shoulders.



11-21-2005, 12:44 PM
hi LWL,

Ellen - Lots of good wishes coming your way. I admire how you set yourself to come to terms with these things. i hope you have a wonderful thanksgiving with your husband. Is he doing the foot scrubbing??
Tiki- Congratulations COACH OF THE YEAR!!! That is so great !

Mel - Your week sounds like you should get the turkey to help you!

Today I was again angry at XH, just anger eating away at me. So I got myself into gear, because anger is not going to get me anywhere I need to be. The guy is the kids father so I will see him now and in the future, its unavoidable and so I cannot afford to get sour and angry at him. I played my meditation CD2 (which is yoga) and was so energised by it that afterwards I went to run outside for 45 minutes. And the anger is less now, probabely sweated it out.

have a greatday all,

11-21-2005, 01:01 PM
Ellen - Is he doing the foot scrubbing??

Ohh - I didn't think of that .... Nah, I can probably use the time to myself and it will be easier to clean up ;)

Tiki- Congratulations COACH OF THE YEAR!!! That is so great !

I agree - GoTiki :cheer: (it seemed appropriate)

Rabbit - you are doing great - ride your emotions, take care of yourself and maintain conttrol. Life may hit us with a number of bad pitches, but we can still hit them out of the park (hmmm - must be missing baseball)

11-21-2005, 01:12 PM

Mel ~ this year I forgot to defrost the turkey - so i used "put it in the cold wash basin" methond and forgot it there too. Than my hubby did not care for it when it was baking and did not pour juices on it either, so in whole - after beeing screwed on every step of the way - this one was the best turkey I've ever had!!! It spend overnight in the sink with cold water (suggested time was 2 hours).

Ellen ~ take "no running rule" easy. I imposed "no running" rule on myself on Nov5th when I could not finish the relay for my team and almost fainted from the lack of oxygen or overventilation - so I decided - no more running. I use Tae-bo, and spinning classes. Biking is much easier on your knees, but it is the same cardio anyways... Hope you find a way to convince yourself that world is big and running is not the only thing you can do :)

Tiki ~ congrats on the award!

Rabbit ~ yoga rules the world!

I discovered spinning class in my gym - the time is right and I am excited! Did almost everything but was not sweating like other people did - what's that? I am going thru tough time at work and I am a bit stressed ~ so doing lots of cardio helps! I survived my son's birthday and did not touch the cake (what helped is this blue frosting - yuak! - but kids loved it)! Weight however did not change inspite of my attempts - however it does not bother me either.


11-21-2005, 03:01 PM
Arghh. Lost my whole post. . .

Anyway, Hi. :wave:

11-21-2005, 05:57 PM
Let's see - had to skip today's workout due to lack of sleep (I can't lift anything in the gym on 2-3 hours of sleep) and I allowed myself a generous sampling of the cookies I baked last night for tomorrow's office party. Add to this the fact that for the next month I'll be working 60+ hours per week and...I really do not have any idea how I'll have either the brainpower to remember to eat healthy or the physical strength to maintain my workouts.

This holiday season is off to a rather inauspicious start for me.

Rabbit, I applaud your strong and positive attitude on handling the sitch with your ex. Tiki, congrats on the coaching award!

11-21-2005, 07:51 PM
Hi everyone. After another ....gosh, I'm almost there, I think I'll have a relapse ... I'm almost back on the bandwagon.
I've got two new magazines. Over the weekend I did little bits and odds of whatever exercise I wanted. Today I tried some back and shoulder things I've never done (or been afraid of) It feels pretty good.
On Saturday I went grocery shopping and bought only good stuff for the first time in a couple of months. That felt good too.
I'm going to go reading around a bit and see what's up. I could use some motivation for cardio :)

11-21-2005, 10:15 PM
Mel -- Here is a great recipe that I just tried tonight that may be a lifesaver during your hectic time, IF you have time to make it that is, I'd send you some if I could, makes a huge batch and is delish :hun:Festive & Flavorful Pumpkin Tomato Chili (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1021718&postcount=121)

Susan -- Welcome Back :hug: (I think I mentionned this on the Maintainers Forum :lol: )

Ellen -- Is running too hard on your system now? I wish you the best in finding something that suits you, I'm sure you will too, you have that detemination :yes:

Shannon -- Keep strong girl, the holiday rollercoaster has just begun.... Plan, plan, plan your workouts, your food, everything you possibly can so that you can stay in control...

Tiki -- Now why does it not surprise me that you are "Coach of the Year" :bravo:.... You should also have the "Parent of the Year" award, you rock girl!!

Sandy -- Glad to see you found something to replace the running!

Today I had a GRRREAT leg workout :strong: ... I found this workout in one of my mags that I was cleaning out today. I pulled all the best workouts and will bring them to the gym with me.
This workout consisted of : DB deadlifts 4x20,
lunges (I did mine on the bosu ball) 4x20each leg,
jump squats supersetted with leg extensions 4x15 (this was really really hard),
I don't remember what you call this exercise but you lie on your back with your heals on a ball you bring your hips up as you straighten your legs then bend the legs bring the ball back to your butt, OUCH is all I can say, this was super setted with hack squats, OUCH again...
then I did some ball squats but only one set of 10 because I had to leave... Thank goodness for small miracles :lol:

11-21-2005, 10:16 PM
Hi Susan! :wave: Good to see you, and Ellen too.

I never got back here to reconstruct my missing post. I'm sure it wasn't that earth-shattering. But it's time to go home and see what sort of low to mid range dinner I can think up. I've been entering today's food into Fitday, so I know where I'm at anyway. Not bad at all, in fact. :) It certainly helped that there was nothing at work to eat besides an apple or some applesauce, and my emergency protein bars (which are really that - not my "choice" of a snack) so I had the apple.

11-22-2005, 09:25 AM
hi LWL,

Tuesday, and I had the dreaded session with XH and the therapist again. I knew it was goint to be a tough one, the issue for me being that XH is going to live together with NL, and means my children to visit him with her around. As it is now 6 weeks since he told us of NL, the kids do not want to see NL, and neither do I want NL in my life.

So, I went there with my stomach in knots repeating "I will NOT get mad and cry". And I screwed it big time. I knew and was prepared that he wants NL to be around when the kids visit because he has no place else to put her, I knew he wants to introduce NL to our frineds as soon as possible in order to build up her new life, and he wants to live near the kids so I will have a chance of running into NL when shopping, but I blew it when he announced that in the future he sees holidays of the kids with him and NL.
So I got mad, yelled at him, called him names and llater on left thew therapist crying again. So far no committment from XH that he relents on his stand. Next week we will have another session on this, this time the kids have to write the therapist a letter telling their view.

I am now trying to get over it before my son comes home. I went and bought comfort food, I had 2 crackers with pate and cucumber pickles, and I'm going to make a cup of tea, read a magazine, cook for tonight and try to find the time for the meditation CD2: the yoga. yesterday I did not feel like doing it at all, but it somehow energized me so i think I'll do it again today. I'm emotionally exhausted.

Have a great day all,

11-22-2005, 01:46 PM
Rabbit, another time I wish we could give you some real hugs! :) These cyber-good-wishes will have to do! {{{HUGS}}}

And, not to make light of the situation at all, but we sure have different ideas of comfort food :lol: I'd be right there with the peanut butter and macaroni-and-cheese, not pate and pickles!

Hang in there, it really will get better, even if not for awhile.

11-22-2005, 02:00 PM
I wish I had something wonderful to report this morning but I don't. I think I'm suffering the old junk food and caffeine withdrawl headache thing. I've taken a wee tylenol and I'm going to curl up with my new Oxygen mag. Probably later I'll feel like doing legs.
I haven't been totally useless this morning tho' ... I did work for a few hours. It's nice to be home in the quiet of the day :)

11-22-2005, 03:21 PM
rabbit - do not beat yourself up - your life has been turned upside down and XH is calling all the shots? Man, something is very wrong here. Do you have private sessions with the therapist? Maybe get your own - one who sees only you and not XH. Have you contacted a lawyer yet. XH choses to walk and he still has control over the situation? He controls the lives and social patterns for you, your children and, reading between the lines, NL, too? I see a very controlling, self-centered child in a man's body. Scary. Get strong, sister, and all your LWL friends are fighting for you, too. We are here. *hugs*

11-22-2005, 03:58 PM
Here here, Rabbit, as someone (but without the kids) who was put through the mill and back again by her ex, stand strong and don't be a doormat. Things will improve, but boy some of the dark days are pretty dark.

Well I have been kind of missing in action, just too busy to type some days. I re did my programme with the cute gym instructor today. As a joke he put the leg press on 98 kilos (around 200lbs) and then reeled back as I did my 15 reps on it. He had no idea how hard I have been working!!!

This programme is a bit harder and he's introduced a few new things, so we'll se ehow it goes. The scales haven't been showing a loss for a while, but I don't care as my clothes size is dropping, and I have had millions of comments from all sorts of people at how great I look, so the scales need to be thrown out of the window from a great height!!! Lying little things they are!

11-22-2005, 07:44 PM
All refreshed and renewed after my nap ... I hunted back thru my notebokk and this site to find Mel's five days split. based on some dicking around I've done over the last couple of days ... I started on day five :) Bi's tri's and abs. It felt very good.
I've got lots of calories left for the day too!

11-23-2005, 04:16 AM

Ellen, Pat, Kykaree - thanks for the support.
Yesterday was bad, but on the up side I think that i made my stand pretty clear to XH. We'll see how the saga continues. I took an extra pill yesterday evening and today I am feeling much better. Today is a new day and I'm going to make it a nice day. I'm now off for some cardio and then I will do my yoga CD, which I did not get around to yesterday.

Have a great day all,

11-23-2005, 05:40 AM

Japan was lovely, food was lovely (mostly healthy and I never once ate till I felt sick - that's progress for me!). Inner fat girl lives in Japan however, but I left her at Heathrow, so I'm back to normal now :D

Rabbit, you throw a good :tantrum: I think your therapist is right that the kids should have their say on things. When they're old enough, they'll vote with their feet anyway.

Kyk congrats on the leg press! I've always been amazed seeing blokes puffing and panting doing 70kg on them, when I've always been able to do around 90-100kgs no sweat on them. It makes me feel good putting the weight UP after them! :rofl:

ellen - I'm sorry you have to give up running, but you WILL find something else! I hope I start to feel addicted to it soon!

Oh and how's this for bonkers :dizzy: when I left work on Friday before Japan I went home, did weights then went out for a run then went to the airport! :D I was going to make it a better effort by going kickboxing last night, but my body would've thought it was 4am when class started so perhaps it wasn't a great idea! I went to bed feeling so sick last night but not feeling too bad today despite waking up at 5am (I know that's NORMAL for some of you crazy folks here!)

Everyone, have a lovely thanksgiving and eat lots of turkey :D

11-23-2005, 11:27 AM
Rabbit, nothing wrong with being vocal about your feelings. And keep it up with the yoga meditation. That is a great stress reliever.

Welcome back 2F. Glad the fat girl is still in Japan. We dont want her in London or in Detroit.

Mel, How are the preparations going? Hoping you are still above water with all that was on your plate.

Kyk, good job on the presses.

I did something really DUMB last night. I mixed up a treat I didn't need, ate it while watching a 30 minute program and then tried to do an hour of Tae-Bo. Needless to say after 30 minutes, I got sick to my stomach and the treat made a second appearance. I got thru about 15 more minutes before I threw in the towel. However, now even the thought of that treat makes me ill, so maybe that wasn't a bad thing after all. I did chest, tris and 30 min on the elliptical this AM. Gym opens tomorrow from 7AM - 1PM so I plan to get in there tomorrow as well.

Hope everyone else is doing great today!


11-23-2005, 12:09 PM
Tiki- Unfortunately, in my experience, "treat aversion therapy" wears off rather quickly :( Sorry to hear about the experience.

My gym is open tomorrow from 6-1pm also, but I won't be there! I had 2 clients yell at me for not working :o but that's insane. I'm already getting up at 5 to get the beast of a bird into the oven and cook everything else that I was supposed to be doing in the evenings this week. All I got done was some cleaning, and the house doesn't even look any different.

2F- Welcome back! Did you have a great time? Would you go to Japan again? My dh has been there a few times on business and extended the trips by a few days, but I've never gone. I'd love to, but the airfare (not to mention sitting in a plane that long) is a killer.

Rabbit- sending cyber hugs to you :hug:

Hi Susan, Pat, Kykaree, Ellen, Shannon and Ilene! I'm racing out the door now to drive to Baltimore Airport to get dd. There is a huge exploding tanker truck accident south of the airport outside of Washington DC and I don't know how bad the traffic backup will be. It's all over the national news, so I'm expecting the worst. I'm packing 3 meals, a book and several bottles of water. If I had a port-a-potty, I'd pack that, too :o

OK, if you never hear from me again, I'm still on I95!


11-23-2005, 12:28 PM
:lol: Mel, you need a female urinal! I don't think I would go back to Japan again under my own steam, but if DF wanted to go again, I'd probably go! It was just all a bit overwhelming, really not being able to decipher anything and once you've seen one shrine or temple, you've really seen them all! Maybe if I learnt Japanese I would go again, but I don't see that happening soon - I'd rather brush up my French. I think you're clients are crazy wanting you to work on thanksgiving! Are they total fitness freaks (worse than us....?) that they WANT to work out on thanksgiving day? Or do they just have nothing else in their lives? :crazy:

Everyone, have a lovely :turkey: day tomorrow - I might even have turkey too - just to keep you gals company! :D

11-23-2005, 12:42 PM
I've bought a :thanks2: breast for tomorrow night as our own mini Thanksgiving!!!!

I did my new routine today, it's a bit different and a bit the same as my old one, but it seems to be a bit longer and more satisfying. I went swimming afterwards and accidentally swum a mile, which is not like me!!!! I really got into the groove and it felt really good! I love swimming, wish I could do it every day, but the pool times aren't right for me :mad:

I'm off to write some christmas cards and do some ironing, ah the fun, it never stops :D

11-23-2005, 01:34 PM

2F - great trip and great result - leaving those "fattitudes" in Japan...

Mel - relax, I always think that we prepare so much for guests but most of the time thy do not notice how clean the house is... And they will eat the turkey anyways, independently on how it tastes.

Rabbit - good for you to clam down, good for you you know what you need to do to calm down!

I personally take it easy now. I noticed that doing BFL or my understanding of it so to say make my much stronger, however I noticed that I started to gain fat in my abdomen. Mind you, it might be a result og dose adjustment for hypothyroidism, howver my tests came in back OK which means I am on the right dose of medication. I never accumulated fat in the abdomen - after 3 kids my stomackw as always flat or close to it, hips and upper arms were more of a problem. Now however my arms and thighs are great, but I've got this layer around the waist which bothers me a lot. Darn, I do something wrong and I can not figure out what... My calories are around 1500/day, I eversise and my abs are still rock-hard, however on top of the abs I get with mush! Any suggestions?

I did some fast walking yesterday - can not run and we have fog here, so I went for brisk walk with the dog. Also did upper body workout in the gym. Today is brisk walk only. Tomorrow I am planning to go for abs and back class @6:15 am - hope to make it actually.

Have a great Thanksgiving ,

11-23-2005, 02:19 PM
Morning LWL! It's a lovely day here - if you like :snow4: About 6" overnight, with another 4-6" expected before it stops. Yikes.

Welcome back 2F! :wave: Glad you left that fat girl in Japan. :rofl:

I have done something to my lower back, maybe when I fell last week? In any case, moving in certain directions (including turning over in bed) sends it into spasms. I've decided to lay off exercising for a few days, and am using heat and ibuprofen which seems to help. The gym is closed tomorrow, though open regular hours Fri so maybe it'll feel better by then.

We're eating dinner at church tomorrow, so the only thing I have to cook is sweet potatoes. My plan is stick with turkey and plain veggies, and just a spoonful of dressing. Desserts fortunately are a take-it-or-leave-it proposition to me (mostly :lol: ) so I can do fine there. And since we're not providing a dinner for anyone, no high-cal leftovers. I do have a turkey which I'll cook sometime between now and Christmas. I love turkey.

11-23-2005, 02:29 PM
Mel, your clients are crazy. Last time I checked, Thanksgiving was a HOLIDAY!! So if your clients WANT to go to the gym then by all means they should go, but to expect YOU to work? As my daughter would say, "Either they are ON drugs, or they NEED drugs!"

I had a healthy breakfast - 4 eggwhite omelette with spinach, tomatoes and FF cheese, 1 oz lean turkey ham, and a healthy lunch - FFcheese melted on greenbeans and sugar free spaghetti sauce but I am STARVING!!! Could chew off my arm here but from the looks of it, its HIGH in fat content. I'm leaving early to go to the store and willhave to focus on NOT buying any junk while I'm there.


11-25-2005, 04:01 AM

I hope all of you americans had a good thanksgiving and enjoyed the turkey!

Pat - speaking of snow, we woke up this morning to see about 1-2 inches of it !!! Customarily, the nation is now in shock and the traffic announcements just state that the country is more or less come to a standstill and gives us the top 10 of traffic jams. In this case they started with a 12 km ( 8 miles) standstill, so anyone standing in just 3km (2 miles) is left wondering how long it will take!

Easy day today, no work but I have a discussion with my financial advisor on how to finance buying my XH part of the house, furthermore i have shopping to do and tonight I am taking my daughter to the theatre!!!

Food wise goes OK, I try to control myself and NOT go for the comfort food. I reward myself with hot baths, magazines, excercise, whatever. As long as it is not food I think I am reasonably OK. Also I have decided to take the extra pill on days that I need it, I am still within the dose on stated on the bottle, and it is over the counter stuff, so I should be Ok with it.

Yesterday I did the meditation yoga CD. I like it less than the bodyscan but I will try to do it again today.

Have a great day all,

11-25-2005, 04:44 AM
:rofl: Tiki - your arm :lol:

Hey rabbit, glad you're hanging in there! :hug:

Pat - bummer about the back, deff stay away from stiff legged deadlifts! I don't do them any more just on principle! :D

I went kickboxing last night but only really managed an hour - I started the second class and just started feeling really sick! I think I'm coming down with something cos I woke up at 4am feeling all snotty and I feel a bit sick now still. Never mind! I'm sure some Christmas shopping tomorrow will make me feel better! :D

Eating is doing my head in at the moment - thought I'd be ok at getting under calories since I ate so much in Japan, but these past 2 days I've been at 1800! I usually try to stay around 1500. :tantrum: I swear it's these dark days - come to work in the dark, go home in the dark. Oh yeah I love winter! I'm not giving up though! I'm staying away from the chocolate and the junk, so I guess 1800kcals of salad and fruit and nice yummy things is better than 1000kcals of healthy stuff and 800kcals of junk!

I'm off Christmas shopping tomorrow in central London with my friend. Looking forward to it, since today is pay day! :D I'm thinking I might buy more presents for me... :rofl:

11-25-2005, 08:36 PM
2F - I'm with you on the dark days. I really try to make an effort to get outdoors when it's daylight. Right now we're still losing, and have about 6.5 hours, and we'll be down to 5.3 before it starts increasing again. It's also dropped to 10 degrees F (don't know what that is C, but below zero :lol: )

I took today off to stretch my holiday weekend to 4 days. Feels good to be able to sleep a little later and do things on a less-than-frantic pace. DH and I went to the gym late this morning and I had a really good full body workout :strong: Back is feeling pretty good. I think I'm done shoveling until I feel the urge to shovel a path to the back shed, which I'll need to do in the next couple days.

Hope everyone had a great day and back in their routines today. :)

11-27-2005, 02:30 PM
hey all,

hope you dont mind me joining in i've been doing bfl for about 5 weeks, thru a case of bronchitis and everything else including the turkey day celebration and amazingly i am still losing. still know i'll need the motivation to get through christmas.

11-27-2005, 08:16 PM
Hi gypsy_witch :wave:
Congratulations on sticking to your plan and being so successful!

Glad you've joined us :)

Tonight I'm clearing out my refrigerator of all the leftovers except plain turkey. Ds and Dh are finishing the stuffing and pie, the cranberry sauce doesn't tempt me, and it's back to the straight and narrow for me. I'm aiming for a week with no slip-ups :o It used to be easy, I went months with no problem. November has been my hardest month ever, and it's showing.

Sugar is heroin!


11-28-2005, 05:10 AM
:rofl: I am so with you on the sugar front Mel! We need another challenge or something! I'm aiming for the next 2 weeks with no slip-ups (apart from a day in Paris :faint: ), because that's when next weigh-in is!

Oh the Christmas shopping was unsuccessful as in buying presents for other people, but I bought myself a Stella McCartney suit (a size too small, just for an incentive), a wonder woman vest and shorties set, a nice dress from Topshop (although not party dress, just nice dress), a wallet, some toe socks, some Japanese sweets (ahem!) and some lovely healthy food including sweet potatoes and tuna! I've got DF's present sorted, I need to buy Mum & Dad's and a birthday present for Dad and I'm all done! Everyone else is getting gingerbread men! :lol:

11-28-2005, 06:24 PM
I had a funny non scale victory at the gym the other day. I was doing assisted chins (hate them) and one lady said to another, "oh I don't want to look like her" pointing at me "looking all strong and muscular" and I thought that was quite the nicest thing I have heard in ages!

I've not done any Christmas shopping and really have to pull my finger out to make the Australia posting date on the 8th December. I bought make up today. All this weight loss caper is turning me into a girl. I don't get made up before going to gym, someone stop me before it gets that bad!!!!