Support Groups - Home of the Loozing Floozies.....(#50)

09-21-2005, 10:51 PM

Hello :wave:

Here at McSkinneys, Our mission is to motivate,support and lose those pounds & inches.We must keep those Loozing Floozies loosing!!

Feel free to join our group of wonderful ladies.Come on in.....Give us YOUR motivation,support and ideas.We would love to have you!!!

09-21-2005, 10:54 PM
Hello :wave:

This will be short tonight. After work, Wayne & I went and got car insurance with another company. Much cheaper then what we were paying I might add!! Then when we got home, I cooked, washed dishes and washed 2 loads of clothes. Time for a shower & bed!!! I'm tired!

Hugs & Love To All.....

09-22-2005, 06:56 AM
Sherry-I'm tired just listening to you!

Gayle-I'm debating on whether to post on the weight thread or not. I just go up and down, so I don't want to get anybody else down by gaining and losing. Sound silly? I know what I mean, I just can't put it into words.

09-22-2005, 10:43 AM
Oh SHELLEY!!!! We ALL go up and down!!!!!!! I just thought it would be cool to put pounds lost....WE ARE NOT GOING TO CALL OUT THE "POUNDS LOST PATROL" IF YOU GO UP A POUND OR TWO!!!! :-)
You should be proud of your 20 pounds lost!!!

09-22-2005, 04:04 PM
Sherry - How do you make taco salad? I love taco's. Do you have a recipe?

I have been on low-carb for three days now. I do well on it, I just can't let sweets into my system or that's it for my willpower. ( I saw the surgeon this morning about my hands. I have to call his secretary to get an appointment for surgery. I told him the sooner the better.

09-23-2005, 10:20 AM
Boy, it looks like everyone is low carbing here in one way or another.

I had 2 non-scale victories yesterday:

First off, Steve told me I need a new pair of capri's, he said mine are getting baggy.
Then I went in for a haircut and the girl right away mentioned it looked like I had lost weight.

I hope all is well with everyone. Janice, keep us informed about your surgery please.

Well, better go!

Love, Gayle

09-23-2005, 10:22 AM
Well, I've lost 5 pounds during my first four low-carb days. I hope I can stick to it over the week-end (week-ends are ALWAYS rough for me!!). I also hope I'm eating enough. I don't know how to tell, really. I'm not hungry, so I'm hoping it's all good.

My niece is home from the "hospital" and supposedly all is well. I don't know about that. The family is not really talking about it, and--as awful as this sounds--I'm really not sure I want to know. It's kind of like watching a natural disaster, you have to look but you really don't want to--something just draws your eyes to it. I can't explain it any better than that. Well, I'll try, I want to be there for if she needs me, but I don't want to make a point of letting her know that I know what she did and, in the process, make her feel even worse. I hope y'all can understand what I'm trying to say.

Dee--I hope hope hope Larry stayed away from Houston. On the local news last night (and I'm sure all over America) they were showing the Houston airports and how crowded they were--people were waiting in excess of 14 hours to get a flight. The interstates were also backed up for miles and miles.

Gayle and Sherry--thank you jointly for starting that weigh-in thread. I hope you won't get mad at me if I weigh in more than once a week sometimes. I won't do it every week, I promise.

Janice--I hope you get your surgery scheduled soon and don't get a run-around. I also hope that after you have it you have some relief. Are things any better for you on the home front? I've been thinking of you.

Sherry, I have a question for you. Last night during class my professor was telling us about some kind of writers' conference that's going to be held in Nashville this year (it was in Memphis last year). It's supposed to be HUGE, with over 200 authors on site. Do you know anything about this?

Well, gotta get to work!

09-23-2005, 09:11 PM
Cheryl, you post as often as you like on the weight loss thread!

They lifewatched my cousin to a major hospital with bacterial specialist. His original staples from his surgery came out and caused infection gangrene) throughout his body.

Dee, I tried an really good cognac today. It is called Envy, it's made with cognac, french vodka and exotic fruits. Do you drink brandy?

See ya later gaters! Have a great weekend!

09-24-2005, 03:22 AM
Hello :wave:

Actually, good morning! It's 1:20 a.m. here and I just finished in the kitchen. I have soooo many people coming here tomorrow for the cook-out.I have done a lot tonight though. After work, I went to the Dollar store,Walmart, Kroger & Mapco. Then I fixed baked beans,deviled eggs, spinach dip & a cheese ball. I have the kitchen cleaned up and about to go to bed! :faint:

Tomorrow we will grill burgers & hotdogs. I'll make mac & cheese also.It's going to be a fun day!

Chris got home around 9:00 this morning. He drove 17 hours straight through. He slept most of the day. He came to my school around 3:00 and surprised me!! I hugged & hugged him!!!!!

I'll try to post over the weekend and say something to everyone. I must go to bed now.....

I love ya'll.....

09-24-2005, 03:24 AM
I just thought of something!!! By the time I get in bed....Shelley will be up and ready to run!!!!!!!

09-24-2005, 08:14 AM
Sherry-You are too funny. BTW, should we all join you at the barbecue to welcome Chris?? Have a great time!

Gayle-Prayers to your cousin.

Cheryl-Whatever works for you in posting is the best way to do it. If it helps you to post your weight often, then I say go for it. I hope this weekend you can stay OP. Sending more prayers to your neice.

Dee-What's happening??

Gotta go out and run!

09-24-2005, 02:48 PM
Larry got home friday afternoon. He didn't get done what he needed to. Houston was being evacuated so it was pretty stressful wondering if he was going to make it out. He was on stand by for a flight that was leaving at 10:55 and if he didn't make that flight he was stuck there because the airport was shutting down at 11:00. Fortunately he made it. I sure wouldn't have wanted him there because the phone lines usually go down and we wouldn't even know if he was ok. As it turned out Houston wasn't hit as hard as what they first expected. His job site was just a few miles from Galvastone. Guess he will have to go back there or to NY to get the info on the product they will be building.

I had a good time out at my sisters minus the stress of what was happenning with Larry. Today we are going back out to the lake for a bbq and bonfire and an over nighter. It is Larry's boss's birthday. We have prepared Grand Marnia (sp?) banana flaming crepes with whipped cream for sunday breakie. Our tempertures are getting cooler her, near freezing at night, so we will have to dress warm for the evening.

Gayle because of my meds I am only alloud a sip or two of alcohol. I am not a brandy drinker but Larry is. Envey does sound sinful though. Gayle you know that I will be praying for your cousin. That is pretty serious. I hope that you see improvement soon.

Sherry enjoy your cookout today and of course I know that you will enjoy being with Chris.

Cheryl way to go on the weight loss. You are doing great. This weekend ask yourself when you want something not on your program is it worth it, do I really want it that bad? When I have more time to post I want to talk about your surgery. I had both wrist done. Or did I mention that to you? I forgot, I know that I wanted to. And I would also like to encourage you to talk to your neice. You can not change the past so look at the future. She just needs some love and support. There is a good chance that it is a chemical imbalance that has caused this. If it is, it is something that she cannot control. It is tough to be around someone that is depressed but they really should be alone to much. Just being there for her could mean the world to her.

Shelley, hey skinny mini how was your run today. I am able to walk about a mile every other day. I can't wait til I can swim and do all the exercise that I want to.

We will be heading out soon so I better shower and get ready. Hope you all ehjoy your weekend as much as Sherry will.

09-24-2005, 05:10 PM
Sher, did you cry when you seen Chris! I almost did just reading the posting! ENJOY EVERY MINUTE YOU CAN WITH HIM!

Dee, glad to hear Larry is safe & sound. Which brand of brandy does he prefer? I picked up a shooter of E&J and it tasted like poo-poo. Maybe brandy isn't for me. The cognac surprised me, I liked it!

Shelley, thank you for posting on the other thread. How is life treating you & yours???

Have a nice weekend all!!!!!!

09-24-2005, 09:25 PM
Sherry - Have fun this weekend! I have been on Low Carb since Tuesday and haven't cheated at all. I like Low Carb because you never have to feel hungry, and because of the food you can eat it is very filling. I have lost 5 lobs as of this morning, but am not going to change my ticker until its been a week. Gayle enjoy your cookout, and keep warm. It is getting cool here now too. In the mornings I have to turn the heat on in the car.
Doug and I have done a lot of talking, and things seem to be working out. I just don't know how he could take off with his ex after being married to me for 16 years. It has sure taken a lot out of my self esteem. Oh Well" Life goes on!
I just don't know how to get past this, and trust him again. Any helpfull words from all you wise woman would be appreciated.

09-25-2005, 06:44 AM
Janice-I haven't experienced your problem per se, but I have in other ways (drugs.) He will have to gain your trust back if possible. If he really wants to work things out, then trust will certainly be the issue. Prayers to you. Also great job on the low carb! Are you going to post on the weight loss thread?

Dee-I'm glad that Larry made it home okay. How was the bbq and bonfire? I bet it's beautiful there. It's still hot as can be here.

Gayle-Things are going well right now. Mike got his promotion on Friday. He is now a superintendant for America's First Homes. He didn't quite get the raise that he expected, but every little bit helps, considering this time 2 years ago there wasn't regular money coming in at all. At least now I don't feel so guilty about my car payment.

Sherry-How was the party? I'm sure you had a wonderful time since your baby was there!

Cheryl-How was the eating yesterday? Do know, even if you go off plan, you can pickup yourself immediately without any weight gain if you go back to your plan without guilt feelings. Last night, I ate more than I should have. On the weekends I have been eating a bit more. I had 3 cups of cereal dry. Boy, was it good!! I look forward to the weekends now that I have given myself that leeway of eating cereal.

Time to go out and run!

09-26-2005, 09:21 AM
Well I have been one week on Low Carb. I do love this plan. I have lost six pounds this week. The biggest problem I have is trying to remember to drink water.

09-26-2005, 10:04 AM
I did stick to my diet this week-end!!!! Anytime I started craving something sweet I drank a HUGE glass of Crystal Lite. I think I drank about a gallon of it yesterday, but not just to satisfy my cravings, I'm drinking it with meals, too. I guess I'm doing something right, because I lost three more pounds over the week-end to make a total of eight since last Tuesday. I, like Janice, am going to wait a full week to update my ticker in my signature. Since I don't always have access to a computer on Mondays, I'm going to make Tuesday my "official" weigh-in day.

Dee--Janice is the one you want to talk to about the surgery. So far, my carpels are fine. I'm sure someday they won't be, since I type on a computer for a living!!! Thanks for the advice about my niece. So far I haven't even seen her since she's been home.

Sherry--I hope you enjoyed your time w/Chris and the rest of the family! :)

Gayle--I hate that about your cousin. Gangrene is some serious stuff!! Is it the fault of the hospital/doctor? I hope he recovers and is well.

Shelley--If I ever started eating cereal it would be my downfall......Yummmmm. So far I haven't really had any trouble with cravings. I even made Stewart a "honey bun" cake on Friday night and didn't eat ONE bite of it!!

Janice--I'm glad to hear that you're doing well on your low-carb diet, too!! You started on the same day I did! We're in this together, now, I guess :s:

Hello to Debbie, Vicki, Carol, Doni, Titan Dee (if you ever check in!!) and Janelle (if you ever lurk). I miss all of y'all!!

09-26-2005, 10:42 AM
GREAT JOB JANICE!!!! 6 POUNDS*****WOW!!!!!!!! Keep up the great work!
I'm glad things are working out for you. I agree with Shelley, if there is no trust, then there is nothing to build a stable relationship on.

Drink the crystal light if it's working. You COULD be drinking soda etc. When I lost weight before, I drank the cranberry juice sweetened with splenda. I stopped when I tried a few other diets because of having to count the carbs or points. I really do think it helped with my weight loss, I should start drinking it again.
I feel like it was an error by the surgeon. The staples came loose in the intestine/colon area and caused waste seepage into his system. He is still at the other hospital and as far as I know, no change in his condition.

I only lost 1 pound this week, but at least I didn't have a gain! I had ice cream and cake yesterday along with a non OP meal for the FIL's birthday.

09-26-2005, 02:09 PM
Thanks for the words of advice. We have talked a lot, and he says he needed closure from that relationship. We have been married 16 years. Doug says he has the closure he needed and that he would never want to go back to her even if I booted him out!
He said there were no feeling for her anymore but he didn't really know that until he saw her again, and they talked about the past.
Maybe he can finally move forward in our relationship.
I got my surgery date - it is October 7th. I can't wait, I am so much pain all the time.
I'm doing great on the Low Carb though! I am glad there are so many of us doing it, then its easier for me.
I did post on the weigh-in thread.
I feel good!!!!

09-26-2005, 08:53 PM
Hello :wave:

I'm sorry! Another short post!! But I'm sure you all understand because I'm spending every free moment I have with Chris! :) After work I went to the store and cooked. I'm sooooo tired from the weekend but we did have LOTS of fun!! The cook-out was awesome! Debbie & James even spent the night!

WTG for all the loosers here!! I'm sooooooo proud of everyone!! :cp: Whatever plan you're following, it's working so please keep it up!! :D

Janice....I'm so sorry I haven't posted the taco salad that Debbie & I make. Here it is.... (BTW: You're doing great!!)

Ground beef, drained. Add a package of taco seasoning mix. Chop up lettuce, add tomato,ground beef mix,salsa,taco sauce,cheese & sour cream. It's the same as a regular taco salad but no chips :nono: ENJOY! Will you please list some of your daily menus so I can get some ideas on things? If so, thanks!

HUGS to all....gonna go talk to Chris. I'll post soon...I promise! Hopefully tomorrow night. I think he's going to Dayna's.

09-26-2005, 09:03 PM
Oh I forgot:

I don't know about any conference here but if you come, I would love to meet up with you!!!! Post some of your daily foods too please.Thanks! Great job on Low carb!!

09-27-2005, 06:53 AM
Cheryl-Good for you! Wow, I can't believe that most of us are following a plan at the same time and actually losing and/ or maintaining! I'm proud of us all. That's not to say that everyone else shouldn't post. All of us OP can help any of you get back the high of being OP! Vicki, Carol, Doni, Jennelle, come back and post!! We miss you!

09-27-2005, 01:48 PM
Shelley you are right, we are all motivated and losing or maintaining. Superb!

I have to get going sorry I can't post to each of you.

09-28-2005, 09:09 AM
Sherry - Thanks a bunch for the taco salad recipe. It sounds yummy, I am going to try it today.
I usually eat whatever meat I would normally be making for supper. I just make sure it is prepared without sauces that have sugar.
I eat a lot of chicken wings! Barbequed or deep fried or oven roasted. Then I toss them with crushed garlic, parmesan cheese, and ceasar salad dressing. They are delicous. I usually eat them with celery sticks and ceasar salad dressing or ranch dip.
Last night I had roast beef with salad and ranch dressing with bacon bits on top.
I eat whatever meat with salad and another low carb vegetable.
I don't eat breakfast until about 10 or 11 and then I make a three egg cheese omelet.
3 eggs, cream and grated cheese. Eating later means I'm not hungry again to supper.
I snack on boiled eggs, cheese, pork rinds, or sometimes I buy the low carb Atkins chocolate bars.
I will let you know as I try new recipes.
Everyone is doing so GOOD!!

09-28-2005, 10:01 AM
My 1st-week weight loss rush is now over. I have evened out at 264 (I've weighed that three days in a row now). I don't think I've already hit a plateau, I've just evened out in my weight loss for now, I think. I guess now I need to go to every-other-day weigh ins instead of daily ones.

My goal is still to lose 3 more pounds by next Tuesday.

RAMONA--Where are you?

09-28-2005, 10:08 AM
Cheryl, your body is trying to recupe from the large loss last week. Add more water to your plan and I bet you will see a drop on the scale. BTW: is it close to TOM???? One of the joys of the female gender is raging hormones and huge scale fluctuations.

09-28-2005, 10:09 AM
Gotta get to work. Hope all is well with everyone, I'll post more later!!!

09-28-2005, 12:55 PM
Cheryl sorry for getting mixed up with the ct surgery. Have you heard from your neice? if you want to talk about it message me. You are doing awesome on your weight loss. Keep it going. Do you watch the biggest losser? It is a good show but it is so sad when someone gets booted out.

Gayle I will have to look for the crandberry juice with splenda. I am not sure if we have it here. What brand were you buying? Crandberry juice is really good for you, besides being an antioxcident(sp?) it is suppose to help you lose weight. What I have done in the past is boil crandberries with water, strain and let cool. It will be very tart and on the thicker side. Then I take a couple of oz's and add it to a glass of water. It is ok to drink that way.
How is your sousin doing? I hope that he is getting better.
Only a pound Gayle!!! Hey that is great, we can't always drop a bundle of weight every week.

Janice I am glad that you worked things out with Doug. Isn't it great to come here and pour our hearts out. Everyone here is so great.
Good luck with your surgery. The recover is pretty quick now compared to 20 years ago. I feel your pain sister. Let us know how is went.
You are doing great low carbing. Your chicken wings recipe sound yummy! Good idea with the ceasar dressing. I am counting points with ww's so it would be a lot of points but I am going to try them.

Sherry how are you doing? I am glad that you had a good cook out. Get some rest when Chris isn't around. I hope that you are savoring every moment that you have with him.

Shelley I will be posting in september on the exercise thread. I have been able to walk a 2-3 miles a day now. Soon I will try swimming again. I know that it will be a couple of weeks before I will be able to stretch enough to do that but I am going to try aqua fit.

My sister Gail just called and is coming down. I need to go get ready. Sorry to everyone that I didn't get to say hello to.

One other thing that I wanted to add. I believe that the green tea is helping me loose weight. I have been drinking it for about 6 weeks and I think that besides be good for me that I have been able to drop more pounds than I would have been able to do on my own.

Have a good day everyone.

09-29-2005, 01:35 AM
Dee, I get the Walmart (Sams) brand. I think it is comparable to the Ocean Spray brand. It says right on the front it is sweetened with splenda. I think it is only 40 calories a serving...about 100 calories less per serving than the regular sweetened version. I tried green tea for awhile, then ended up getting out of the habit of making it. Which brand do you suggest?

For all you low carbers:

Dice up some chicken breast, melt a stick of butter in a skillet, then cook the chicken. After it is to the "crunchy" stage, add a bottle of Franks hot sauce to it and lightly coat. Serve with Ranch or blue cheese dressing.

Same recipe except use your oil allowance for the day to saute the chicken. Then serve with FF ranch or FF blue cheese dressing.

09-29-2005, 06:47 AM
Gayle-I can't bring myself to use my oil allowance. I never have. Can water or broth be used instead?

09-29-2005, 09:36 AM
I think the chicken would get mushy Shelley. You could just spray your skillet with cooking spray, but then the chicken probably wouldn't get as crunchy as with the olive oil.

09-29-2005, 03:30 PM
Gayle you hot spicy chick! The recipe sounds great. Thanks. I drink any green tea. I don't think that it really matters which one you drink. You can even get decaf. I believe that you are suppose to replace any coffee or tea that you drink through out the day with green tea. I usually just have one cup in the morning. Thanks for letting me know about the cranberry juice. I will have to look for one with splendid or make my own again.

Shellley I think that if I weighed myself every day I would get discouraged the days that I am up. It keeps you on track though.

09-29-2005, 04:14 PM
Hey Girls!!!

Go check out the weight loss thread! We have a new number for total pounds lost!!


Yes, Dee, Steve says I'm a hot chickie all of the time!!!! LOL!

09-29-2005, 04:20 PM
I found this recipe, it sounds simple and looks like it may be good??? What do you guys think???? WW/Core People are raving about it.


1 regular size can of Chicken Broth
1 can of chicken (like tuna)
1 Can of Corn
1 Can of Black beans
1 can of FF Refried Beans
1 8oz jar of FF Salsa

Mix everything together, adding salsa last.

Can top with FF Sour Cream and FF cheese. Could even add a few diced tomatoes if you wanted.

09-29-2005, 04:33 PM

Sounds good. I may have to make it for Stewart some time!

I'm over the kick-off wieght-loss on the protein diet. I've weighed the same thing since Monday. I'm still staying OP, though, but I may have to change my goal for next Tuesday to two pounds instead of three.

It's weird, because my jeans are getting looser all the time and this morning when I was laying in bed I could FEEL changes in my body--my stomach is just a tad flatter.

NOT GIVING UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

09-30-2005, 06:43 AM
Cheryl-You can't depend on the scale alone. The way your body and clothes fit tell it all! You are doing great and take it one day at a time. Maybe the weighing everyday isn't for you, since weight fluctuates so much everyday. I know mine goes up and down 3 lbs from day to day. I am one to talk, though. I weigh everyday, sometimes 2 or 3 times. It's **** to be a burden to your scale.

09-30-2005, 10:12 AM
Cheryl - You are doing great, just stick with it and the weight will come off. Try to drink lots of water or crystal lite. I lost 6 lbs last week and only 1 and 1/2 this week, but the scale didn't move until today from Monday. Sometimes it take time to see it on the scale. I didn't realize that nuts were low in carbs, I had a few last night, it seemed like such a treat! HANG IN THERE GIRL, IT WILL HAPPEN!!
Hello to everyone else, hope you are all doing GREAT!
Gayle I'm back in the contest.
Thank you for being there through the rough times. I say things to you folks that I wouldn't talk about to anyone else.
I Love you guys,
Thanks a Bunch

09-30-2005, 10:26 AM
Janice, I hope you know you can share anything here! I have spilled my heart several times here and each time it is received with compassion and friendship.

Cheryl!!!!!!!! STEP AWAY FROM THE SCALE NOW!!!! I'm sending the scale police over to haul that thing off to the scale jail!!!! You WILL drive yourself nuts if you go by what the flip'n thing says everyday. I agree with Shelley, my weight can go in HUGE waves, but yet my clothing may fit differently. Make a graph and just post a weekly or even better yet, monthly weigh in....look at the big long as you are seeing a decrease on the graph, then you know you are doing things right.

Shelley, you do an AWESOME job at maintaining your weight!!!! I believe it actually can be harder maintaining weight then losing weight.

Off to workie-poo!!!!!!!

09-30-2005, 11:12 AM
Thanks, Shelley, Janice and Gayle for the encouragement. I still weighed 264 this morning, but I'm still not giving up, either (as I sit here and eat my cold fried chicken for breakfast).

I've had a thought--and I apologize in advance for TMI--I haven't gone #2 good since Tuesday. Could that have something to do with me not losing any weight? I don't feel bad, just haven't had to go.

Janice, I also use nuts as my treat!! Cashews make a wonderful "sweet" treat. Just don't eat too many of them at one time. Hmmmmm......Now that I think of it, aren't nuts high in fiber, too? I think I need to go buy a can of cashews!

Anyway, I *think* I've got a buyer lined up for my trailer (keep your fingers crossed for me) so I've got to go to Magnolia this weekend and won't be back until Tuesday. I also won't have access to a scale while I'm gone. I hope that when I get back on Tuesday I'll be down those 2 pounds!


09-30-2005, 05:19 PM
Cheryl I agree with everyone else, don't live by the scale. Have you tried measuring yourself, for inches lost? Sometime that is the more accurate measure than pounds. How about your salt intake? If you are eatting salty nuts you will retain water putting on pounds on the scale. You are doing a great job sticking to program so hang in there the pounds will drop off.
I didn't realize that you wanted to sell your trailer. I hope that you do. We will miss you while you are gone. It is a good thing that you aren't taking your scale......hehe

Janice I too have poured out my heart and have had support and love. I share more with you ladies than I do anyone except Larry. Like I have said before that there is only one friend that I have told about my surgery. Everyone else thought it was just a hernia. It sure takes a load off you when you can share. We are always here for you.

Gayle let me know if you try your Fiesta chicken soup. The combo sounds good. Any big plans for the weekend? How does Allison like her teacher this year?

Shelley you are doing a wonderful job maintaining your weight but you don't have to weigh yourself more than every few days! What are you doing to yourself? You know that if you journal your food and jog that you can't be gainning. It is not good for your mental health to be watching the scale that close. I would say that is on the compulsive side. Be careful, you know that I am only saying this because I love you and am concerned about you.

Sherry where did you go? Did Chris consume you? I hope that you are so busy enjoying your time that with him that you don't have time to post.

It is a balmy sunny Friday afternoon. As I sit in my olive green sunroon composing my post I am watching the yellow autumn leaves twirl down from our large elm trees that line the street like soldiers. How perfect can that be. A little bit of heaven. We all need to remember when we are rushing through our day to take a few minutes to appreciate what ever we have or something we enjoy. There are many gifts that we are given that we don't even have time to acknoledge.

We don't have too many plans for the weekend. We will probably go to a movie tonight. Tomorrow we are going to dinner to friends of ours and on sunday we will take a trip out to the country to see mom and dad. I am hoping that we go to a fall supper with them. How about you ladies, what are you up too?

09-30-2005, 10:42 PM

Please Go To #51.............A New Thread Has Been Started!!!!!!!!! ;)