hi everybody, how are you guys doing?? this is my third day without cheating and i just dont feel well, and i dont think i can make it a whole week, that is what some people said it takes , then you will start to feel better, when trying to lose weight you have to listen to your body, and mine just doesnt want to eat all these proteins, and the carb meals are not satisfying to me, i am full but as far as all the fat free stuff you have to put on your pasta, doesnt satisfy me. instead of saying i failed at another attempt to lose weight i will just keep on trying, sooner or later, i hope sooner, something has got to sink in for a life time, and i think it will be just eating less and excercising. i hope all of you try to stick with this maybe it will work for you, i had a protien breakfast and i feel nauseous right now, i will hold off till lunch and just start back eating light. everything ss says about food makes so much sense, but i know alot of people who lost alot of weight by just eating regular portions and trying to make better healthier choices. good luck to all, i will probably be reading your posts.:)
06-05-2001, 02:08 PM
I probably shouldn't butt in here but.....just wanted to let you know that all plans don't work for all people. I went on a low carb plan and I got sick and my doctor pulled me off. This plan works for a lot of people but doesn't work for everyone. I would keep looking to find out what works for you. Just my two cents worth.
06-05-2001, 02:23 PM
thanks for sharing your experience, glad i was not the only one. congrats on your weight loss, guess you found what works for you. i ate a normal lunch , and i am feeling much better now. boy was i in a miserable mood this morning.:D
06-05-2001, 03:03 PM
Basically, you've got to find out what works for YOU. As long as it's healthy...I've recommended some books on my website - you may want to give "Thin for Life" by Anne Fletcher or "The Fat of The Land" by Michael Fumento a quick skim-through (both should be in your local library). No celebrities, no miracle magic potions, just good common sense advice!
Here's my opinion on Somersizing. From what I've read, basically it involves food combining, a theory which has no basis in fact as far as science is concerned. I will probably tick off a lot of Suzanne Somers fans, but lets face it - she's an ACTRESS, not a nutritionist. I don't recall her ever being fat - but then again I haven't read up on her - "Three's Company" was never one of my favorite shows. Maybe she gained 10 pounds after the show went off the air, I don't know.
Apparently, she has hooked up with a Dr. Schwartzbein, who is the current proponent of food combining (a theory first made popular by "Fit for Life" by the Diamonds). Schwartzbein had a book out previously but it didn't sell very well...UNTIL it was revamped as a Suzanne Somers book, excuse me three or four books!
What I do know about Suzanne Somers is that she appears to be a third-rate actress and a first-rate salesperson on the Home Shopping Network. Apparently, millions of people flock to purchase anything she puts her name on. Thighmasters (which sold in the millions and are now gracing garage sales across America); Buttmasters (see Thighmasters), Ab Masters, ad nauseum. The top of the heap seems to be her "FaceMaster of Beverly Hills" which is a piece of plastic with a 9-volt battery that she sells for $100! Apparently she has been using this for seven years and of course, we'll all see the same results she has. I can't believe that so many people fall for this stuff!!! The FaceMaster is 'her secret for younger looking skin'. Of course, she also has her own line of skin-care products.
The whole thing just amazes me! The diet book thing in particular reminds me of what Michael Fumento said in his book "The Fat of The Land" in the chapter "The Profiteers" on how to make a fortune writing a diet book:
(I'm paraphrasing here since I don't have the book with me - I'll edit it later)
1. Be fat.
2. Lose weight.
3. Pretend that by losing weight you are now an expert in this area.
4. Write about your foolproof plan to lose weight, then slap a bunch of recipes and esoteric references so that your 10,500 word article now has the heft of a 250-page book.
5. Stay thin long enough for your appearances on Good Morning America and the Today shows.
6. And - most importantly - don't forget to promise something for nothing.
If I sound skeptical, that's because I am!
06-05-2001, 03:59 PM
thanks for bringing me back down to reality. guess i will have to figure it out on my own, with some suggetstion and supportative people on here, i know it will happen. well going out to dinner with some relatives that are here from california, last time i saw them i swore when they came again, i wouldnt be this heavy. i dont even feel like going. i will try my hardest to make healthy choices. maybe since i am feeling down, i wont want eat that much, usually in the past this feeling made me want to pig out, but this time it feels different. maybe this is the first of many changes i am making, not to eat out of a certain emotion. :?:
06-05-2001, 04:12 PM
You will find what works for you. I lost the majority of my weight just by counting calories. I am currently still counting calories. I joined TOPS in November and that has been a big help for me as well. I personally believe we need all food groups and I try and eat healthy and sensibly and I plan my food so I can snack throughout the day. I also plan to have food such as chocolate because it is something I like and as long as I eat it in moderation I don't feel deprived. I don't eat it everyday but if I want it I know I can have it. Keep us posted on how you are doing.
06-05-2001, 04:52 PM
sounds like a plan. it just makes so much sense. to have the foods you like but not everyday splurges. as soon as i hear you cant have, than i want. imagine i thought in a moment of insanity, that i could give up popcorn, and a baked potato. i know i can have them i just have to watch what i put on them. but when they turn to sugar in your body and raise insulin level it makes you want to pig out on more starches., is what i am brain washed to believe, but i know others eat them and they lost a lot of weight. i have to change my whole way of thinking. i will , i will keep you informed.:)
06-05-2001, 05:36 PM
Willbethin-I tried Somersizing and couldn't take it-hungry all the time-signed up to WW yesterday and I like being in control and counting and I am having a potato with my chicken!!!!yeah Mima
06-05-2001, 06:46 PM
Right now I'm doing the Body for Life Challenge - on week 7 at this point.
One of the things that attracted me to BFL was - there was no overemphasis on protein or carbs in the book. BFL is very simple - you have a portion of protein (measured with your palm) and a portion of carbs (the size of your fist) at every meal, along with at least two servings of veggies a day.
I'm not advocating BFL but just saying that a good lifetime eating plan doesn't completely eliminate any food group - it all has to do with BALANCING your calories - the calories going in and the calories being burned through exercise.
I have my own opinion about 'carbohydrate addiction'. I think it would be more appropriately labeled 'sugar addiction'. Carbs are not bad - they just need to be balanced like everything else in life. "Everything in moderation, including moderation".
My immediate tips would be:
Keep two journals - a food and exercise journal (www.fitday.com is a terrific free resource!) and a journal of your thoughts. Lots of places sell those ring-bound journalbooks (Old Navy always seems to have them on sale). Write down your feelings, your dreams, your aspriations, whatever you want. Looking inside yourself really goes a long way towards reaching your goals!
Move! Find an exercise (or two, or three) that you truly enjoy doing. When I was 265, I started walking around the neighborhood (actually I started getting into moving by going to a plus-sized women's exercise class where I felt comfortable - most of these classes aren't focused on weight-loss but on becoming active and losing some of those inhibitions!). Actually there was a plus-sized women's health spa in our area until recently. I am sad to say that they have closed their doors. However, their website is still up at www.women-of-substance.com - this may give you an idea of finding a place that may be more comfy for you than the typical gym filled with hardbodies. Here's another link I found: http://www.infitnessinhealth.com/
If you're plus-sized, check out the book "Great Shape" by Pat Lyons. Even though she doesn't focus on weight-loss, it was a great help to me when I was floundering about trying to find out how to begin moving.
Also, Jazzercise is a great place to go - I really enjoyed it. Most of the instructors I have personally known take a great deal of interest in all their students and are very encouraging. If you go to www.jazzercise.com you will find a printable coupon good for a free class!
Educate yourself - go to your library - it's a wonderful FREE resource! I've recommended some books that would be a good start. Stay away from those fad 'miracle' diet books and just go for the common-sense stuff - the Fumento book and the Fletcher book are two excellent choices. Oprah's "Make the Connection" is also VERY inspiring - the video as well!
Whatever weight you are, make sure you always look your best - stay well groomed, dress as nicely as you can, have a manicure and a pedicure once in awhile! Looking good helps you FEEL good and will really give the old self-esteem a boost!
And of course, you can always post regularly here at 3FC for support. Some of us here have 10 pounds to lose - some 200 pounds but we're all in this together!
06-05-2001, 06:59 PM
By the way,
The Schwartzbein Principle is NOT a food combining diet. Suzanne Somers has *******ized the plan, making her diet of eating carbs separately from fat and protein.
That is not what Schwartzbein says.
Schwartzbein is an endocrinologist in private practice who noticed that her DIABETIC patients did better when they reduced portions of carbs- and ate more "healthy" fats and protein, than most had been eating. these were patients who were eating white bagels and pasta and bread with no butter, but has little solid nutrition in their day. Her plan, including a great Vegetarian plan, is balanced and looks very much like the old time WW plan, where you eat one "Bread Exchange" per meal or snack. It tends to be too low carb for some, but gives you oatmeal and other whole grains, cornbread, tons of fruit and veggies and stresses low fat poultry and small amount of other protein.
I recommend her books, just skip the Suzanne Somers/actress/infomercial thing. It's just a commercial rip-off! But Schwartzbein is good science and good medicine for those with insulin and other hormone-based pathology.
Hope this helps!
06-05-2001, 07:12 PM
Have you seen that Suzanne Somers Facemaster thing that she sells on HSN??? Unbelievable - and yet people buy it at $100 a pop, thinking they'll look just like Suzanne Somers...I think that's what sells her books as well. Still amazes me.
Joan Rivers was selling artificial boobs as well when she had a talk show a few years back. Just too funny! Yet they were flying off the shelves...okay, now I'm imagining flying boobs... :dizzy:
Like I said before, I have never read Suzanne Somers' books but I did notice that Diana Schwartzbein is listed as the co-author for "Eat, Cheat and Melt the Fat Away". From what you wrote, it appears that Somers picked out the stuff she wanted to use from Schwartzbein and put it into her book. I could be wrong since I have not read it, nor the Schwartzbein books.
06-05-2001, 08:11 PM
Hi There WillBeThin....
I am sorry you are having problems. I too have been having problems finding a plan.... tried the summersizing thing and just cant do it... also tried Weight Watchers and didn't have much success there - although lots and lots of people do have great success there.... it is just me I guess...
You do have to just find a plan for you. Something somewhere has got to stick... I know exactly how you feel though. I am there right now trying to find something.
I have started reading a bood called the Business Plan for the Body. So far it seems like alot of common sense. It is funny how you don't think about the common sense stuff. He basically states that your weight is based on the simple principle of
Calories In - Calories Out = Weight
Makes sense and I know that but why havent I thought of that myself.... he also has a chapter about the various fad diets...
There is a Topic on this Forum about this book.... why don't you read what we have written about it and then maybe you can go get the book at the library or something..... maybe it would help you.
I know your struggle and disappointment in yourself, the helplessness that you feel. I am there. I am going to find something and I know that you can too.
Good Luck and dont get discouraged.....
the saying that keeps coming to my mind is about Edison trying 10,000 times till he figured out the lightbulb... or something like that... and when someone asked him about failing 10,000 times he said he didnt fail... he figured out 10,000 ways that it didnt work.... we are just figuring out ways that dont work....
06-05-2001, 09:25 PM
I think you'd enjoy the Schwartzbein book- just read "The Schwartzbein Principle." She is sensible, smart, and not out to make money.
I read it for my own education, not so much to "do" the program. It's very healthy and as balanced as can be! And she teaches us about the science of our hormones and food so well!
Potatoes Not Prozac- another great read, just to learn about out biochemistry in a tolerable, not too scientific way.
06-06-2001, 08:25 AM
MIMA- good luck with ww, potatoes and chicken sounds good.
ANGEL- great analysis with edison. i know i am not alone, thanks for sharing your struggle. i know what is healthy and i kinda now how much to eat, i know i maybe should be counting calories, to see how much food is 1400 calories, i think that is what i am allowed to have. but then when i run into a food that i dont know caloric value, i just dont want to count calories anymore. i really just need to start out eating more veggies, and making healthier choices and eating less. i already excercise. i know what to do i just have to do it.
thanks for all the book suggestions.:)
06-06-2001, 09:22 AM
Willbethin~~~It has been mentioned several times on the board but try thr site at www.fitday.com . There you can enter your food intake and it will automatically add up your calories,fat,protein,carbs,vitamins,etc. You can either pick from a food list or enter your own nutritional values form the food container. Once you have entered in a food item, you can easily retreive it from the list. The site also will give you the calories you burn based on your entries. It is a wonderful place to see exactly what you are eating and where you can make changes.
It was recommended to me by MrsJim and it is the best site I have used in along time (next to 3FC'S of course;) )
06-06-2001, 09:32 AM
2bfit1 Thank you, i have seen this site all over the place but i have never gone there, guess it is time. i will check it out.:)
06-07-2001, 05:53 PM
Hope you don't mind me throwing in another 2cents:)
I read quite a few books before I chose to go on Sugar Busters. I read Suzanne Sommers book and decided that food combining just wasn't for me, I wanted something simple, healthy and that made sense.
I chose SB over all the "diet books" I looked over, it made sense, and despite what people think, it's NOT a low-carb diet at all, a huge misconception.
SS & the SB concept where actually taken from Michael Montignac's book which was printed in France. He's really the one who started the whole low GI lifestyle. The Schwarzbein Principal is an interesting read, esp the Preface, but her "diet" is even more strict I think.
As MS.JIM said, there is not a single diet out there that works for us all, so you need to find one that you know you can easily follow and one you can do indefinitely. For many, WW is ideal, but not for me, I don't lose on it after the first couple weeks, not matter how hard I try. Each time they came out with a new version, I jumped back on it. BUT, the good news is, there is a healthy WOE you will be able to follow and lose weight!
For me personally, SB has been wonderful. I've been on it 14 1/2 months-I haven't cheated a single time, no desire to eat off plan, I don't feel like I'm missing anything. BUT, what I can tell you that is more amazing to me than the weight loss is, not once since I've been on this have I eaten out of emotions. I've always been an emotional eater, now I can say I was an emotional eater. Something with taking out the sugar from my eating made a big difference. This WOE is just that, a WOE that I need never to go off of. I have 3lbs to go til I hit goal, and I feel great-what more can I ask for?!?
Anyhow, I wish you and everyone else who ventures onto this board great luck-you can do this, if your heart is truly into it. Don't do it for anyone else but yourself, otherwise, you won't succeed, I know this from experience. You'll know when the timing is right, that little light bulb will come on and you'll be ready.
SB since 3/22/00
06-07-2001, 08:14 PM
wow you are almost at your goal, it must be a great feeling to finally find something that works for you. i have been trying the no diet approach, ya know just eating less and making healthier choices. but i really know that i am a carbo addict. i really didnt want to try another way of eating, i have never read sugar busters, i cant take going on another eating plan and failing again. i hope one day i will get as lucky as alot of people in here that are doing so well and finally had their light bulb moment, although i thought i had mine so many times before.
06-09-2001, 10:21 PM
WILLBETHIN, you'll do it, you'll find the right way for you and you'll be where I am-don't you worry. You just need to find the right plan for you, be patient and the rest will come.
Try to see if you can get some of the books mentioned out of the library. That's what I did, instead of buying these books. It's really a good way to see what's out there.
One thing I can say about SB is that many of the gals on our board are on this WOE due to their Dr.'s suggesting they follow it-not many Dr.'s recommend many "diets" out there these days, so that says something. My Uncle is a very well known internist and he also highly recommends a low glycemic diet to his patients.
Check out this great site by someone who is a follower of SB, some great info on there, just click on the link below:
thanks for the incentive and support. i am doing better i am changing my eating habits slowly, making better and healthier choices, i know i will do this, it is just going to take time. i am going to check out the books when i go the the library, thanks for the website, also. hope everyone else is doing good. how about you somersizers, how are you doing???
06-11-2001, 03:59 PM
Willbethin, I was somersizing this past year. I was expecting to lose a lot of weight, but I only lost 12 lb. Whenever I would eat a protein breakfast an hour or so later I would feel nausious also, then my hands would start to shake. Then I would eat a whole wheat cracker and my hands would stop shaking and the nausea would go away. Now when I have eggs I usually skip the bacon and have 2 pieces of whole-wheat toast. The only good thing I can say about this WOE is eating a lot of fruit and vegetables. Also, my cholesterol went way down as did my triglycerides. I have since gone off this WOE, I have gained back the 12 lb., but I just can't seem to get motivated to eating that way again. I am thinking of joining Weight Watchers, hopefully for the last time.;)
I wish you luck with whatever eating plan you choose. Aleka
06-11-2001, 06:46 PM
that was great that you lost 12 lbs, but i am sorry it crept back up again. i think i finally found how i am going to eat for the rest of my life. i am giving up dieting, i am just eating normal portions of what ever i am in hte mood for. if pasta says 2 oz is a serving than that is what i have with a salad and ff pudding. i really dont measure or count calories or fat grams. i try to balance my meals now ya know carbs, protein veggies, i dont always, do it that way, but i have the option of having anything i want whenever i want to. i am not perfect, but that will take time. i have been on and off different eating plans for the last 2 months, and i have gone from 189 to 182. now i am not going to try any more, i am just choosing healthier, foods, trying to get more veggies in, i am not a fruit eater. i am hooked on veggie burgers, i know i tasted some that were pretty awful, but i found one , it is tomato and basil pizza burger, it is so good. i eat french fries, frozen baked in oven, with pam oil sprayed on them so they are not dry, and i only eat what a serving is, about 15 of them, and i eat them with veggie nuggets, but i will have a reg. burger, once in a while,i do snack on lowfat pringles, but not the whole box. i am rambling, i am just so happy, because i am free of diets. i am in control. and if i have a bad day, which hasnt happen yet, i dont turn it into a 2 day binge, because i failed another diet, i just go back on the next day. i have a journal on diettalk.com if you would like to chat more. i also post on the no diet approach board in that same web site. good luck you will find it, i never thought i would. i want to get down to 125 so i still have a ways to go.:)
06-12-2001, 12:15 PM
That is great you losing 7 lb. I'm sure you will meet your goal in no time. What other eating plans were you on besides somersizing? I've been on so many I can't even count. My favorite one was the eating program Dr. Art Ulene (sp?) had on the Today Show a few years ago, where you ate only when you were hungry, ate very slow, and stopped when you were full. I lost weight on that eating plan too. I used to make a game out of how much I could leave on my plate. I honestly do not want to join WW, but I'm afraid that if I don't the weight will not come off. I like your plan, the no diet way. On the days that I feel like that, I really do feel free and I automatically eat healthy foods. I want to lose about 30 lb., but I will be happy with re-losing the 12 I've gained. Maybe we could help each other out with the non-diet approach. I'm even feeling freeier thinking about it. I have read a very good book, "The 7 Secrets of Slim People". Their approach is to listen to your body as to what it wants to eat, eat only when hungry, and stop when you are full. The veggie burgers are awesome! I forget which brand I used to buy, but my favorite one was a spicy bean. I do have a box of Boca Burgers in my freezer, but haven't cooked any yet. HMMMM, you have given me an idea for supper tonight. :) Aleka
06-12-2001, 03:40 PM
i never heard of the dr ulene??? but all i know is what i am doing is working right now. tomorrow isnt here yet but if i get through tomorrow it will be one week without a binge. i dont even think about bingeing. i even went to the park today with my daughter and mcdonalds is right near it, we usually go right there after the park, and i didnt want to today. :D i packed my daughters lunch, and i brought sunflower seeds with the shells and some water in case i got hungry. i was there about and hour and a half and started to hear tummy growl. had some sunflower seeds and my water, and came home and ate lowfat hotdog w/ a little cheese, no bun and these mashed potato nuggets, that are frozen from real potatoes, in microwave, no fat, i had them with salt pepper and spray butter. i dont know what is going on but whatever i have been eating fills me up and i am satisfied. i guess it was my time to finally wake up and take control. i was on ww twice, it is a very good program, but i was always hungry on it and i was always thinking about how many points i had left for the day. then i would starve all day , and save points for a big dinner, i wasnt learning how to eat on that. it does work for some people and i did feel in control when i first started it. i cant even name everything i have been on or how much money i spent, including the low carb ones too. i am done. i hope you find out what you want to do,i just recently did, beleive me i never thought i would wake up.:) sure i would like to see how you are doing.
06-13-2001, 11:20 AM
You really do seem in control and that is really good. That's great about you not wanting to go to McDonalds. I have joined WW more times than I want to admit. The last time I was at WW they were doing the FAT & FIBER program. I lost some weight on that, but I got very sick with bronchitus and missed quite a few meetings, so I stopped going. I am hesitant to join again because I am afraid to eat for fear of not losing weight that week, plus I am not very good at tracking my points, as I have tried to do that on my own. I get Womans World magazine and I saved a recipe for minestrone soup from their diet plan page. I made it this past weekend. It makes a huge amount, which I froze a good portion of. It is very filling. I hope everything is still going well for you. I really think this WOE is something I want to do because it feels right. Aleka
06-13-2001, 12:59 PM
sounds like your attitude, is up today, that recipe sounds yummy. ya think you could give it to me??? i tried to do ww on my own too, i just spent my points on all carbs and junk, and usually went over points, then just quit and pigged out. i had a good breakfast today, but at lunch time, i had a veggie burger,and was craving fried food, so i had some frozen tator tots baked in oven. so for lunch i had a total of 14 fat grams, i am not really counting, but i had to look. i will try to eat a healthy dinner, but with this way of eating i am not depriving myself, i really wanted them so i ate them, i ate what the bag said it was a serving, so i didnt pig out on them. lets just try to eat healthy. we can do this. do ya wanna start a new thread on the support board??? since neither of us is somersizing. let me know, and we can start on our next post. let me know how you are doing i will do the same. day i weigh in is on fri. morn, so i will see if my healthy way of eating is paying off. if not i might have to change it a bit. i will look on my journal and see how i ate for the week.:)
06-14-2001, 11:57 AM
Sure, starting a new thread sounds good. How did you do last night? I did very well all day and today is going well too. Last night a couple hrs. after supper I got a little hungry, so I had a very small dish of sugar free ice cream. I was very much surprised how satisfied I was with that little dish. I usually have a HUGE bowl!! This morning I had cooked egg beaters with some diced peppers, turkey bacon, and 2 pieces of whole-wheat toast. That stayed with me all morning. I am planning on having a salad for lunch, and where it is so hot here today, a turkey sandwich for supper. I'm just thankful that my husband doesn't mind eating the way I am, although I do give him larger portions.
Here is the recipe for that soup I made. When I made it I omitted the carrots and the cabbage and added the veggies that I like. Also, I used frozen veggies, nuked them, then put them in the soup.
Miracle Minestrone Soup:
2 onions, chopped
12 cups Vegetable Broth
3 lb. green beans, cut into 1" pieces
6 carrots, sliced
4 zucchini, cut in half lengthwise & sliced
1/2 green cabbage, chopped, (about 4 cups)
2 cans (28 oz.) whole tomatoes packed in juice, coarsly chopped
2 teasp. salt
1 teasp. each, basil, thyme, & oregano
1/2 teasp. each crushed red pepper flakes & pepper
2 cans (15 oz.) red kidney beans
Coat large saucepan with cooking spray. Over med. heat cook onion until tender, 5-8 min. Add broth, green beans, carrots, zucchihi, cabbage, tomatoes and their juice, & next 6 ingredients. Over high heat, bring to a boil. Reduce heat to low, cover and simmer until vegetables are tender, about 20 min. Add beans & heat through, about 3-4 min. Makes 16 cups. Per cup: 67 cal., 5 g. fiber, 1 g. fat
Good luck with your weigh in tomorrow. I will weigh myself too. Aleka
06-14-2001, 07:59 PM
i will post new thread on support, i will answer your post, see you there