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03-04-2005, 08:05 PM

What we really want in a weight loss support group, boils down to one concept; we are looking for a sanctuary.

Sanctuary means different things to different people. Sanctuary is a place of peace, rest, safety, and rejuvenation. It keeps our spirit and our sanity intact.

Many of us who have a long journey down the weight loss path find ourselves in need of a break. Sometimes our bodies crave it, and sometimes the choice isn't ours, but circumstances forces it upon us. Other times, we need the clamoring throng to cheer us along our way as we breeze past milestones and overcome obstacles.

Sanctuary can be all that as well. It is what you need and when you need it. Sanctuary can be found in good friends who aren’t afraid of your truths and in an open, honest atmosphere.

Sanctuary isn’t judgmental, neither does it discriminate or ask to be censured. It is open to anyone with a desire to share, and especially those in need of and willing to offer support

03-04-2005, 08:09 PM
As you know I have been listening to Dr. Phil on my morning and evening
commute. This week I have had “control” stuck in my head. There are so
many things that happen that I can’t control – my Dad being sick, flu,
death, but I can control my eating. So a couple times when I felt myself
starting to waiver towards the chocolate at work I thought “ I can make a
choice to keep myself in control”. It worked!!!! One week down – too many
to count to go!!!!

Off to have some dinner and read all the posts I have missed.

03-04-2005, 10:29 PM
:cool: Bon Voyage Chicks! :cool:

Sorry I can't stay long. It's been a crazy week. I've been working pretty much non-stop and now I have to get us ready for the trip - after a little more work, that is. :^: We are outta here tomorrow for our cruise. We'll return home on March 14th!

We had a consult with our fertility specialist yesterday and discussed the protocol for our next cycle. We are mixing up the drugs a bit and hope to improve response a little more. We'll do another IVF cycle in mid-April.

In the meantime, the focus is on taking care of myself and having a wonderful time with my hubby!

Have a great week and I'll talk with you soon! :wave:


03-04-2005, 10:58 PM
need to get my goals back into check. I need to post every day if I can. It does help to keep me motivated.
I hear ya ... I don't know how I get so off track sometimes. At least now I don't wait months and months to start again. :)

Way to go, exercising. Ya gotta keep in shape so we can handle that Mall when it doubles in size - plus gambling. At least they are trying to get a casino there too.

I am looking forward to seeing those happy vacation pictures!!!! :sunny:

Gloria: Congrats on the 2 lb loss.
I don't know, Gloria, WHY do want such a small house? :lol3:

It looks like not only your mother-in-law gets her own rooms but there are enough for each dog too. :lol:

It is really beautiful. Looks like you will have room for company? :s:

you are going to meet people who have a lot less and people who have a lot more. Why not appreciate them for the people they are either way?
I enjoyed your rant!

I do that too, find some food I like and eat it and eat it. Your burito sounds good.

Andria: Are you getting some sleep now? I miss your regular posting.

Speaking of regular posting - ( I know I shouldn't be pointing fingers) but Dawn and BarbG WHERE ARE YOU, COME OUT AND TALK.

when I'm good, I'm very very good, but when I am bad I'm rotten! I would think for you this should state: when I'm good, I'm very very good, but when I am bad I'm better

03-04-2005, 11:26 PM
I might even discuss diet and exercise tomorrow.

5 dogs
03-05-2005, 01:03 AM
Oh Lucky, that would be just to cool to have everyone here staying at my house in Georgia. We could go white water rafting and horse back riding in the state park. Of course, there is no furniture in the house now except for a bed and a rocking chair. Plus, there is no hot water because the previous owners let the house sit empity for two years so now we have to replace the hot water heater. We could have a painting party, and i think it was Tricia that said something about free labor?

I hope I'm not to late in wishing your Bon Voyage? I hope you two have a wonderful time. That is something i have always wanted to do. To take a cruse with my hubby. Cant wait till you get back so you can tell us all about it. Have a gret time.

Hay Tricia, don't you just love it when your kids say stuff like that, and they are so honest about it. They probably don't see you (Mom) as fat or thin, but that you lost weight. Boy i miss my kids being little again. Enjoy them now while there young. It feels like it was just yesterday that i was tucking them in at night.

I don't weigh myself everyday Cheryll because for one, i don't have a scale, and two, i don't care if i weigh 500 pounds. As long as i can get into my size 12's, thats all that maters to me.

Its after midnight and I'm starting to miss spell words so i guess i am tired. Good night to all. Or should i say good morning to all.

03-05-2005, 10:49 AM
Good morning all. Be wary I am waiting for my coffee to get done! :dizzy:

I don't know why, maybe Dr. Phil, but I keep thinking and feeling I want to be more athletic. Or maybe because in my younger life I was naturally able to do many sports but didn't really take advantage of it. Now, with fibro and being out of shape and old :mad: I want to work at this. Not sure I can or would want to white water rafting and horse back ride :?: but be fit enough to do anything I wanted too. :strong:

The thing I struggle with now is - when I exercise I am fat and clumsy and don't FEEL good doing it. I know the way to get fit is to keep doing exercises but I keep having thoughts like - why bother, too far to go etc.

But then how else will I get there? :?: Okay there is magic :wizard: :lol:

I try to encourage myself by saying, 'if I lose weight and get in shape look a the example I will be for my nieces and nephews'. Maybe I need to repeat this more often to get this show on the road!!!

I know I am sounding like a :bb: but feel the need to get it out. :blah: Again, Dr. Phil, says just acknowledging something isn't good enough you need to write it down. It's suppose to help. So, you are all SO lucky -my Sanctuary friends, you get to listen to my stuff :crazy:

So, I declare here and now to work on working out religiously this week.
:workout: :tread:

I do admit that I :goodscale almost everyday. It helps keep me in line plus I read Tina Turner does it so if it's good enough for Ms. Legs it's good enough for me! :lol:


A bed and a rocker - a perfect house for me!!! :smug:

White water rafting - is it like they show on those adventure shows??? I don't like to do anything that increases my chance of death by 99.9% :no:

Horse back riding I could do if the horse is old and slow! ;)

Then as I write this I had a sneaky thought - LIVE, TRY NEW THINGS. :yikes: my mind is scaring me!

I know, I need :coffee:

03-05-2005, 11:51 AM
I love white water rafting! You can go from as calm as can be to serious white water, whatever suits your abilities or sense of adventure! We've done it down the Delaware River in the Poconos (PA) and down the Sacramento River (CA) neither one was very scary. We would hit a few rough patches, but all in all it was great fun! Much nicer going in the summer though, cuz I hate wearing those wet suits! :yikes: just keep working those issues out right here...that's what this is for. FREE THERAPY! need for furniture! We'll bring our sleeping bags! And paint brushes!
That WOULD be fun! BTW...That chocolate shake looks good! Can't wait to try that!

Andria! Good to see you're still hanging in there, sludge brain or not. Working nights definitely does that to you. I hope you are getting some MUCH NEEDED rest!

Tricia...what a sweet thing to hear from your son! Awww. Makes you want to work that much harder! Sounds like you are really on a roll...good for you!

Cheryll...I know they say to weigh yourself only once a week, due to daily fluctuations, blah blah blah...but I get on almost every, if not every other day. When I'm doing well, it confirms that...when I'm doing not so well, it can keep me from getting too out of control! When I'm doing REALLY badly though, I just stay away altogether, which is when I really need damage control!

Barb PA...Bon Voyage! Have a wonderful, relaxing cruise! :wave:

SKittles...Where'd you go, chickie? I hope all is well.

Food and counting points still going well. I snuck a peek at the scale and it says I'm down five lbs. I'll wait for Monday's official number though. But that does keep me motivated!

I'm babying a cold today. Been off for two days and now that I go back to work tonight, I feel lousy. Bleh. Good thing is, I'm not hungry at all! I'm off to get a cup of tea and snuggle up on the couch with a blanket and a book.

Have a great day, all!

03-05-2005, 02:30 PM
Have any of you ordered flowers, plants etc from a catalog?

The only place around here with plants is the local Wal-Mart and that is limited so I was toying with ordering some through a catalog but I know that can be risky.

5 dogs
03-05-2005, 02:35 PM
Wouldn't that be something, all of us togather and going white water rafting. I know there is also a place in Helen Georgia where you can rent a tube for 5 dollars and flote down the river. Carl and i did that a couple of years ago and it was a nice, cheep, relaxing day. If there was any way we could all get togather i would more than be willing to offer the use of my house.

Have to get lunch going so hope to talk to all of you soon.

c bo be
03-06-2005, 10:09 AM
Happy Sunday to everyone!

I haven't had time to read the posts yet I need to get my house cleaned this morning.
I guess I'm back on it for the millionth time. I worked out 4 days last week and weighed myself sat. and had put on 3 lbs. For me it's definately all about the food.
I've never had trouble exersizing, it's just staying on track with my eating. I got a dose of reality this weekend. My husband and I went up north to the lakes and we bought a jet ski. We took our camera and I wanted to take a couple of pictures to show my daughter and grandson. We came home and developed the pictures and I guess pictures don't lie. What the heck. Who's that fat chick standing by the jet ski.
Oh! It's me. And in 6 weeks we will be heading up to the lakes and the thought of going up and being uncomfortable in my clothes is more than I can bear. This is ridiculous. It's only food. Well this morning I got out my nutri counter and started logging in my calories. I don't know if anyone has ever seen one of them, but they count your calories, fat, carbs, sodium, sugar, etc. all for you. It's looks similar to a calculator. But anyway, I am going to start back on the counting and try my best to get back on track. So thats, that.

I'll check back later when I can read all the posts. Have a good one.

Later gators,

03-06-2005, 11:21 AM
Cheryll: Where do you get a nutri counter ? I did try to use Fitday on the computer but failed at that. I would write down what I ate but would put off entering it in Fitday (no time) or would lose my note on what I ate during the day.

I would like to see one of the nutri counter to see if it would work for me. If I could carry it with me that might work. Do you enter as you go? I was thinking if I entered what I have planned to eat for the day then I would always know where I stand.

The thing I have always hated about "counting" is figuring out the size and it's nutrition content of each thing I am eating. I think that is why I tend to go towards easy to count stuff. 1/2 cup of cereal, two strips of turkey bacon, Lean Cusine lunch etc.

I don't know what I did but my back hurts today. Once I have finished my coffee I will try some stretches - it feels tense so hopefully that works.

Off for more :coffee:

03-06-2005, 11:37 AM
Cheryll, I looked on the internet and it showed me a calculator nutri counter but when I click it takes me to a "palm pilot" type recorder.

Does your nutri counter have any other name on it? I liked the calculator type one better than a palm pilot - accounting person that I am. :)

Maybe I will check ebay.

03-06-2005, 12:31 PM
Congratulations to you, Cheryll. I think more often than not it takes a harsh eye-opener like a picture. But whatever gives you that "I've GOT to do this" mentality is a good thing. And, to be honest, I don't think I'll ever stop looking for it. It is a very delicate balance between being negative towards your body image and being so positive as to become complacent. I'm a little past half way to my goal weight. This is typically where I've gotten off track in the past. I start to like how I look and feel then get an invincicble attitutde - that measly doughnut can't make ME fat. I'm looking for that balance now. Something harsh that will help me keep my "got to" attitude but that isn't so negative that I can't enjoy all the positive changes I see and feel.

Lucky, I'm like you. I find all of the measuring and weighing very daunting. I am not one of those that will ever be able to eyeball a portion. I don't think I would trust myself to do it anyway. I love fitday though. It was a pain at first but it only took a month or so before I had all of my custom recipes entered and now it isn't much trouble at all. I very rarely have to use their lists of foods. I used to enter what I planned to eat ahead of time to make sure I was on track. Now, though, I enter them as I go because I have a pretty good idea of what my standard menus will be. If I'm am considering something unplanned or new I add it BEFORE I eat it so that I can decide whether or not it is worth what I'll have to give up later in the day. The biggest obstacle I've ever had with counting calories is being honest. I used to sabotoge myself with a nibble here and a little bite there. Little things that on their own didn't seem worth logging but that put together over the course of the day could easily add up to 200 or more calories. Something like a cake was always the worst because instead of just getting a piece of it I would fork it to death over the course of the day. If I'd just measured a piece and sat down and enjoyed it I would have been okay. But those 20 "too little to count bites" probably added up to 3 pieces that, unfortunately, did count. Anything I can stick my hand in and grab a handful of is a problem for me too. So, if I make the choice to eat it I always measure out a serving and be done with it. Otherwise, I'll be grazing all day long.

I went shopping this weekend and, for the first time in years, actually enjoyed myself. I bought all new bras and was down from a 40 to a 38 (no cup size change yet - keep your fingers crossed for me). And I bought a couple of new gym outfits and - sit down everybody - they were size LARGE. Not XL, not Women's L, but plain old normal larges in the regular ladies section. And I tried on some jeans that were 12's and they didn't just fit, by golly, they LOOKED GOOD. It was really hard not to buy a pair but I knew I wouldn't have been able to stop there. If I got jeans, I would have wanted a new top, and then I would have wanted new shoes and new accessories, etc. So, I'll save that shopping spree for the size 10s that I hope to be in later in this summer. And my best news this week? I weighed 169.4 this morning! Okay, it is only half a lb out of the 170's but it was so nice to see that 6. It helped me imagine what 159 will feel like and that was quite a motivator! In case you can't tell, I'm very pleased with myself.

It is a beautiful day so I am going to get out and start prepping our garden so we can put in our vegetables next weekend. Hope you all have a great day!


5 dogs
03-06-2005, 12:56 PM

03-06-2005, 05:38 PM
Hi gang! Boy, I am SO envious of all this gardening talk. If the snow would ever melt and then NOT come back, I'd love to get out there and start prepping my garden areas. And by prepping I mean just clearing stuff away at this point. Raking and pulling old stuff out. I actually enjoy that.

Lucky, I've ordered from both and with no problem whatsoever. I'm pretty sure both of them have guarantees, even performance guarantees. If for no other reason, the catalogs are good for getting ideas, so that you can go to Home Depot and know what to look for. We have a HUGE nursery around here that I buy most of my annuals from, $7.00 a flat. Oh, I can't wait for Spring!!!

I have such a lousy cold, my head feels like it's going to explode. I'm off to the couch now. I will say that even with this cold, I got to the gym both yesterday and today! Last night it was almost 6:00, the gym closes at 7, and I made myself do it. At first I was thinking "Well! Not enough time!" And then I figured that anything that I got done would be more than NOT GOING. I got quite a bit done, my whole weight routine and about 20 minutes of cardio. This morning I headed over right after work for an Aqua Run class. I love the class but find the people who take it really rude and annoying! They talk through the entire class, they interrupt the instructor, thinking they're being funny...they're not. But the class is such a great overall workout, I just try to ignore them!

Anyway...I'm looking forward to weighing in tomorrow, come what may! I have to say that I LIKE weighing and measuring and counting and writing down every thing that goes into my mouth! Make me feel very much in control. I like being able to look back and say, "Okay, I've had all my milks, I need two more veggies or one more fruit or whatever..."

I made a GREAT little sandwich yesterday...easy. low points, yummy. Had it again for breakfast today. Not really breakfast, just the meal I had this morning. <weird night shift worker that I am> It would be great on a salad too...I don't know what it's called but here it is:

1 can chickpeas, rinsed and drained
1 cup grape tomatoes, halved
red onion, chopped (I guess about 1/4 onion)
1/4 cup black olives, sliced
1/4 cup feta cheese
baby spinach leaves
1 T olive oil
3T lemon juice or vinegar (I used lemon juice)
1 clove garlic, chopped
1 packet Splenda
dash salt

Toss together first four ingredients. Mix dressing ingredients and shake well. Pour over chickpea mix. Add feta and toss. This probably makes about 4 servings. I stuffed the spinach leaves into a pita first and then added the chickpeas...that was last night. Today, I had it as a wrap. It was good yesterday, even better today!

Ooh! Another great find! Kashi Go lean Crunch cereal. Anyone try this? So good, it's like granola. I've had it as cereal and as a topping for yogurt and strawberries. Bulky and filling...just what I like!

All right, I'm taking my stuffy head to the couch now to laze about until I have to fix dinner. Maybe I'll look at my Spring Hill catalog....and dream of Spring!

Have a great rest of the day, gals!

c bo be
03-06-2005, 05:54 PM
Lucky Lady Bug:

The nutricounter is like a palm pilot. I love it. I tried the fitday program before and did not like entering all my foods for the day. It was hit or miss. The nutricounter goes with you anywhere. It's easy to use at work, or for dining out too. It also comes with a video tape to use for intructions. Plus you can program in foods that you eat all the time. I programed in my different low calorie breads and cookies and things like that. Also you can type in the word generic and 10 calories comes up in the display window then you just hit the portion key for example 8 and it will come up 80 calories. I use that all the time. You also use the portion for example if you eat half an apple the you put in .50 for the portion and it will automatically figure what half and apple would be. Anyway, when I use it, it works. And definately those little things like condiments and dressings add up. I think I paid 100.00 for the nutricounter but you may be able to find it on ebay. Anyway so far today it's kept me on track and I do a better job about spacing my calories throughout the day.

Anyway, I also think I'm going to weigh every day. I need to know where I'm at so that I will not get off track as badly. Hope that works out the best.

It got up to almost 60 degrees today. I took tootsie for a walk and it was just a wonderful day. Got my house clean and that feels good too. Went and did the grocery shopping and bought lots of healthy fruit and vegetables for the week.

I like to get my plants from Lowes too. If you watch when they get their deliveries or call and ask what day they come in you can get the best selection. Plus we have a wonderful greenhouse only a couple of miles from our home. I love to get my plants from there. I think in about 4 weeks I can put some pansies in some pots and get some color on the front porch.

Better get busy and fix some supper, have a good one. cheryll

03-06-2005, 08:26 PM
Kat & Cheryll, thanks for all the information.

Off to surf - not long and Desperate Housewives will be on. I missed them not being on last week cause of some award show.

I can't believe the weekend is almost over again. It goes so fast.

I exercised today, washed clothes and washed my car. Oh, and raked mud again, as it was in the 60's and I could flatten out tracks in the driveway.


5 dogs
03-07-2005, 10:37 AM
Good Morning :coffee: Are you a morning or night person? I find i am both but I love the smell in the morning when everything is fresh. Very invigorating.

How is your cold Kat? Don't you just hate getting sick? Nothing taste good and when you bend over to pick something up, your head feels like its going to explode.
I also agree with you in how annoying people can be. In my water aerobics class there are a lot of women there that come to socialize more than they come to exercise. When i get stuck standing next to them, i try to ignore them and just try to follow the instructor. When the instructor tell us to move our arms rapidly, well that is just what i do. I cant help it if they get splashed with water. I know, i am a bad person.
I am going to try your sandwich recipe. I love feta cheese and black olives. Have to go food shopping today so will pick up the ingredients to make it.

I forgot to tell you Lucky, at Lowe's and Homepot they have a discount place. These are the plants that are not pretty and sometimes to small to sell at regular price, so they sell them at a discounted price just to get rid of them. A lot of times i can get herbs there for 25 cents a container. I give them lots of T.L.C. and they are just fine.

Mother-in-law and i went to see Hitch: The Cure for the Common Man with Will Smith. Funny movie. My mother-in-law even laughed. She is getting a little senile and cant comprehend a lot of things. Anyway, we both enjoyed it. I did fall off the diet wagon this weekend thou. After the movie, i was in no mood to cook so i picked up some burgers at Checkers. I figured if I'm going to cheat, might as well go all the way. I had a double cheese burger with everything on it. Water to drink but that was because i was out of soda.

Well the morning is almost over and i need to get going. Have a great day everyone.

03-07-2005, 11:17 AM
Good morning everybody. Hope all is well with each of you.

Lucky, I know just what you mean when you say you feel fat and clumsy while exercising. The good news, though, is that it doesn't take but a few workouts to get over that feeling. I found that it wasn't the physical me that felt fat and clumsy but the mental me. One fatal mistake that I made in the beginning was looking around me at all of the other women working out. The gym I go to is for women only so we have our share of the perfectly fit. It was discouraging to compare myself to them as I plodded along. I guess for some seeing lean women like that is an inspiration and something to strive for. But, for me it was so far off and in some cases down right unattainable. It isn't very realistic to look at a pert 20 year old whose never had children and think that I will ever have that body. Not going to happen. So, I grabbed a magazine and slapped on my headphones and really focused on what I was doing. What is interesting is that I don't have to do that anymore. Keeping up with my exercise has given me so much confidence and made me feel so mentally strong that I can actually appreciate how fit some of the other members are without envying them. Well, without envying them MUCH. And, too, I always felt I was being stared at like I was the fat lady at the freak show. But, the truth is, everyone there is doing the same two things; either visiting with the person next to them or minding their own business and trying to talk themselves through to the end of their workout.

Anyway, I know none of this is news to you. Just jump in there a do it. You'll feel better in no time.

Kat, I also like being able to look back through my food journals and love the feeling of control that the measuring and weighing gives me. I just get tired of the actual act of doing it.

We've got more rain today but we had a beautiful weekend so I guess I shouldn't complain. But, Gloria, I'm looking forward to be able to tan out in the sun like you. For the time being though I have to settle for good ole fake-n-bake. I don't go overboard but I do try and get somewhat of a base tan before we start spending a lot of time in the sun. I am self conscience enough feeling like the fatest person and the swimming pool. Doesn't make any sense to show up and the the palest too.

Our Kroger has Lean Cuisines on sale for half price. I stocked up yesterday and filled my freezer. I try not to eat them too often but find that they can be a real life saver if I'm short on time or on days/nights that I don't cook. Sometimes the kids will ask for plain old hot dogs for supper and that leaves Greg and I to fend for ourselves.

Oh, also, I think it was Gloria that mentioned liking tilapia a thread or so back. I can't stand "fishy" tasting fish so I am always looking for a mild type. I've have gotten addicted to Mahi Mahi. It is mild, but also has a real meaty flavor. I grill them, blacken them, bake them - they are good with just about any flavor added. I buy fresh when I can but Sam's carries a frozen variety that is really good. The filets are individually sealed in air tight bags. That makes it easy to do as many or as few servings as I need to. Also at Sam's I've found a 2 lb bag of large, uncooked shrimp by Member's Mark. It has been peeled and deveined so all you have to do is thaw it under some water but, since it is uncooked, you can make it anyway you would fresh shrimp just without the time and mess. I've been steaming it for a snack (only 70 calories for 10 large shrimp) or I'll saute it in a non stick pan with a little lemon, garlic, and seasoned salt and stuff it in a pita or put it over a little pasta. mmm, mmmm, good.

I'm off to try and talk Jake and Addie into going to the gym with me. They usually don't mind but when the weather is yucky that tend to get lazy on the couch. I can't say I blame them - it is very tempting on a day like today.

Hope you all have a great day!

5 dogs
03-07-2005, 12:14 PM
I swear Tricia, you are so funny! You crack me up. Fake-n-bake? To funny. I do the same thing when i make a cake for Carl. Fork it to death. There may be just this little over hang of icing, so I'm thinking, one little thing of icing wont hurt. Before you know it, i have the over hang of icing and the cake in my mouth. Then Carl comes home and wants to know "What happen to the cake"? "Over hang dear, over hang". The problem with not having and kids in the house is, no one to blame things on.

I have tried the Mahi Mahi and like it a lot. It was getting hard to find here and when i did find it, it was a little on the pricy side. That is when i tried the Tilipia. Also individually wraped, very mild tast but easer to find. I put cajun seasoning on mine and it gives it just a little bite.

I go shopping at Win-Dixie most of the time, and they have buy 1, get 2 free of boneless skinless chicken breast of sale this week. Guess what i will be eating the rest of the week.

Hope to talk to all of you soon.

03-07-2005, 12:23 PM
Here's a little funny a friend of mine sent me this morning. Thought you guys might enjoy it too!

Chuck & Lisa Schwartz are getting ready for bed. Lisa is standing in
front of her full-length mirror, taking a long, hard look at herself.
"You know, Chuck," she comments. "I stare into this mirror and I see an
ancient creature. My face is all wrinkled, my boobs sag so much that
they dangle to my waist, my arms and legs are as flabby as popped
balloons, butt looks like a sad, deflated version of the
> >
She turns to face Chuck and says, "Dear, please tell me
just one positive thing about my body so I can feel better about
> >
Chuck studies Lisa critically for a moment and then says
in a soft, thoughtful voice, "Well ...there's nothing wrong with your
> >
Services for Chuck Schwartz will be held Thursday morning at 10:30
at Beth Israel Synagogue.

c bo be
03-07-2005, 08:17 PM
Hi Everyone!

I've been so good for two days I feel great. I feel the spring in my step again. I've measured and logged all my food on my nutricounter and found that I've been able to eat and have a couple of snacks a day too. Just making better choices. Duh?
Also I guess I have to put my two cents in about working out with the talkers. Hope I don't affend anyone, but here goes. I happen to be one of the talkers. Yep, for me it's as much for social reasons and physical reasons I work out and exercise. Sorry but what does my saying something to the person next to me keep anyone in class from getting a good workout. I don't get it. When I'm toning how does my talking keep you from lifting your legs up. Sorry, but I'm a stickler about this. I lay my hard earned money down just like everyone else and if I want to come to class and have a conversation with the person next to me I don't see the harm in it. If I wanted to be alone and workout I'd stay at home and pop in a video tape. That's just my opinion.
Anyway, no big deal.

Have a good one!

03-07-2005, 09:01 PM
Cheryll, agree with you to an extent. I don't have a problem with friendly chit chat at the gym. I have a problem with chit chat in a class that becomes disruptive. Some people don't display the courtesy that you do while talking with others. I've had classes where a person was talking so obnoxiously that the rest of us couldn't follow what the instructor was saying. Or talked constantly to the instructor and effectively inhibited her ability to coach the rest of the class. THAT is a problem. Because, like you said, I shell out good money to workout and I don't like not getting my money's worth because of someone else's lack of respect for the rest of the class.

Also, I don't mind someone on the next bike or weight machine striking up a conversation. What bothers me is when someone KEEPS talking to me if I indicate that I'm not receptive to a conversation (sometimes I love to socialize, sometimes I'm at the gym because I've listened to kids scream all day and I just want to be alone with my own thoughts). The other day I had a great chat with the lady on the elliptical machine next to me - it really passed the time. Not long before that, though, I had another lady talking my ear off as I was trying to put my headphones on - if I'm wearing headphones I want to listen to my music, not hear about somebody's son's new house and how her daughter in law is decorating it in the ugliest color of yellow ever. I mean, I finally got my headphones on the the women is still tapping me on the shoulder because she's worried I can't hear her! DUH!

I guess what I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with socializing at the gym as long as it isn't disruptive to a lot of people and as long as the person you are trying to socialize with is receptive.

Speaking of which, I am headed to the gym now. I'm moving up from the basic step class to a more advanced one. Wish me luck!

Hope you all have a great night.

03-07-2005, 09:28 PM
When you are out and about do you feel like you are the ONLY overweight person in the world? EVERYONE is skinny but me!!!! That's how I have been feeling lately - I know it's not true but that's where my head seems to be.

Also, what do you do when you want chocolate? Is there some trick I don't know to NOT eat it?:dunno: Any good substitute? I thought WW had some ideas?

Tricia: :lol: good joke. Mahi Mahi sounds good but I doubt I will be able to find it here. I, like you, don't like fish tasting fishy! :no:

Gloria: The closest Lowe's and Homepot to me is 2 hours away. :mad:

Cheryll: Way to go staying on track.

I am going to need you all to help me keep on exercising - feeling clumsy and fat - until I am NOT!!! I know to lose weight and to get and be healthy I have to do this - but I have so far to go :o

If I can just keep it up until I can start to see some change :?:

Well, it's 7:30PM and I haven't had dinner yet - hmmm I have some salmon in the frig I may try.

Night. Oh, I lost 2 lbs. - same two I have lost before but it's a start.

5 dogs
03-07-2005, 10:40 PM
Have you tried my recipe for the chocolate milkshake Lucky? I posted it in our last thread. I found it in the food section of 3fatchicks. If you don't like this one, then there are lots of other recipes for chocolate there. I go into the South Beach food but there are recipes for WW and low carb.
Chocolate Milkshake.
1/2 cup part skim or low fat ricotta cheese. (I used fat free cottage cheese)
1/2 to 2/3 cup skim milk
2 teaspoons cocoa powder
3 packets Splenda
1/2 teaspoon caffein-free instant coffee (I used 1/2 cup of left over regular coffee and just put in more ice to make it thick)
Splash of vanilla
Ice (as much as it takes to make it thick.

Put all ingredients in a blender, and blend until thoroughly mixed.

If you ever get the hanker-in for ice cream, try this one. It tast like your cheating, but your not.

Cheryll, if i have offended you in any way, i am sorry. You sounded so upset and that is the last thing i would want to do is upset you. I do however find people that talk in my class annoying. The exercises that we do in water aerobics class can really get your hart pumping if you do them correctly. It is physically impossible to talk and do these exercises at the same time. What happens is, these woman talk instead of participating in the class and they talk to the instructor which is very disruptive. With that being said, i hope i didn't hurt your fellings in any way.

Hope everone has a goodnight and i will see you in the morning.

03-07-2005, 11:17 PM
Hmmm...Not to offend, cheryll, but we're ALL paying good money to belong to the gym! The talkers in my class are extremely rude and disruptive. It's a distraction to those who are next to them, not talking, who are trying to hear what the instructor is saying, especially when the music is so loud! It's also a distraction to the instructor when they call out to her as she's trying to keep the momentum going with her routines. I'm all for socializing, but there's always after class too! Same thing goes on at Weight Watchers...any one I've ever attended. The leader is up there talking and there are ALWAYS a few different groups yakking away on their own, not even trying to keep it down. Very distracting and not fair to those who want to hear what the leader is trying to say, or to the leader. Just my opinion...

Stepping off my soap box now...

Speaking of WW...I did weigh in today...I'm down 5.8 lbs! :cp: Feeling very proud and accomplished and on my way!

I'm still fighting this cold...feeling better, but not great. Sleep is the answer...that's where I'm headed!

Nighty night, all...see you tomorrow!

03-08-2005, 08:31 AM
Hi all,

I'm here. I haven't fell off the earth. I have been so crazy lately trying to get things done for the house and my sister came down, and my cat is sick. And I have been working on the baby shower gifts I am making my sister-in-law, the shower is this Sunday and I still have a lot to do.
I do miss you all and I need to get back in here and post everyday, it just that I haven't been motivated lately. I think the winter blues are starting to kick in. I am ready for spring. I was the same for the 2x2, didn't lose, didn't gain. I just finished reading the G.I. Diet. Rather interesting. Might have to try some of his ideas.

Lucky, I am like you, thinking I am the only fat person around when I go out, and everyone is staring at me. I have been feeling like that alot lately.

Anyway, I promise to get in here and post more, I just need to get this baby stuff done. I love and miss you all.
Hugs and Kisses,

c bo be
03-08-2005, 08:33 AM
Good morning everyone!

Please don't think I'm upset by the difference of opinions in this forum. I just needed to give another perspective to the whole talking in the gym citiation. I guess I just feel so strongly about the whole thing because I've been working out for 16 years and have gotten to know so many people and make so many friends from all the classes and different gyms that I've gone too. I'm one of those die hards that has stuck around for a long time. Definately a minority. But alot of times I haven't seen people for awhile and it's nice to catch up. Obviously when I'm doing step class I'm a little to winded to have a major conversation, but during toning I see no harm. Anyway, I am not affended by anyone here. Moving On!

Lucky Lady Bug, as for feeling fat and clumsy when working out I always tell myself mentally that even if I can't do everything the instructor does that's ok. I will gain strength as I progress. When I first started exercising I would tell myself all I want to do is stick with it, if I do one stomach crunch to every 3 the instructor does that's ok.
I must work at what my fitness level is for me. 1 push up for me while other do 3. Eventually you will get stronger. But by all means you need to push yourself to do the most you can. Not use being fat as an excuse. But it litterally is one step at a time.
And honestly you are working harder than alot of the skinny girls because of the extra weight. Yep, your definately working harder. Hang in there on the working out.

Well, I got some wonderful cantelope at the store and got that all cut up and packed for work today. Made a low cal wrap with chicken lettuce and salsa. I too have a weakness for chocolate. I buy those sugar free pudding cups. Only 60 calories. Sometimes I break up a choc. grahm cracker and stir into it. Still not bad.

Gotta go to work, Later gators, cheryll

03-08-2005, 10:21 AM
Absolutely not, cheryll...that's what makes us unique...our differences of opinion! That was great advice that you gave Miss Lucky, by the way. Everyone is clumsy the first few times they do something! Don't let that stop you! You are doing great, just DOING will get better as you go!

As for chocolate....Jello Fat Free/Sugar Free Instant Pudding is very good! With some fat free Cool Whip, you've got yourself something very creamy and comforting. Fudgsicles are low in calories, actually. There are also WW desserts, but I don't get them usually because they're kind of pricey. I bought WW 2 pt bars at my last meeting...chocolate covered, crispy little things that can get me through a 'chocolate moment.' Swiss Miss makes a great sf/ff hot cocoa mix. If I think of my chocolate-y goodness, I'll post it!

I'm off to go shopping with Mom and Sis. Last thing in the world I feel like doing...the couch is calling me...I still have this lousy cold, and it's raining and, oh well.....

see you all later!

PS...Glad to see you still with us, Skittles! And don't worry...
I was the same for the 2x2, didn't lose, didn't gain. You did WAY better than I did! I'm still trying to lose what I GAINED during the 2x2!


03-08-2005, 11:10 AM
Lucky, I ALWAYS feel like the only fat person. I find myself wondering how it is possible for the rate of obesity to have such a high percentage - where are all those people? And, if I do spot someone who is bigger than me I still think they LOOK better than me, like they carry their weight much better.

I don't have too much of a sweet tooth but I do get chocolate cravings from time to time. It is almost too simple but sometimes just a glass of chocolate milk will fix it for me. I always only use 1 tablespoon of syrup but might only use a half cup of skim milk so that it is still really chocolaty. Also, a trick that always works is if I get a piece of really high quality chocolate such as Godiva. Usually, those are so rich that one piece does the trick. I think the box I bought at valentines had 3 pieces as a serving with 200 calories. Of course, the fat was out the roof but I'd rather have one piece and satisfy the craving then end up eating a 1lb bag of m&m's and still wanting more.

One thing I've learned about cravings is that there is a big difference between satisfying them and giving in to them. It is better to have a little of what I want and plan it into my calories than it is to get to the point that I just break down and shovel whatever it is in my mouth like it will be the last I ever have of it.

Gloria, I am a night owl. But I WANT to be a morning person. I love everything about the mornings - especially in the spring when the weather is nice and the birds are singing and you can smell all of the flowers starting to bloom. I became a night person once we had children because after their bedtime is the first chance I have to just sit and enjoy quiet or alone time. I have to get up early now but don't get to appreciate the mornings because there is so much hustle and bustle going on. Summertime is better becuase the kids sleep a little later and if I get up 5:45 or 6ish I'll have an hour or so to sit on the deck or porch and enjoy my coffee and a laid back visit with Greg. My priority right now is to enjoy my children but it is nice to know that soon enough (probably too soon!) I'll have a schedule that is my own instead of someone elses. Greg and I always make the joke that when we were first married we were too poor to do any of the things that we wanted to and now that we have the money to do most of what we want we don't have the time. I guess that is what makes retirement such a golden time, huh? That's another good reason to get fit - I don't want to finally get to that stage of life and be too old and sluggish to enjoy it.

Cheryll, you are exactly right about not using being fat as an excuse. And for most of us that doesn't just apply to exercise. I know I've let my weight hold me back in a lot of areas. I guess that is part of my motivation - I'm tired of missing out and being limited by my size. And it is true that we can't wait until we are thin and fit to get going. We all need to just jump in there and start doing what we have to do to get whatever it is that we want. I remember not long ago waiting in line to go in to a play and they had one of those turn-style gate things - my palms actually got sweaty while I was waiting in line because I was worried that I wouldn't be able to push through it. How ridiculous is it that I couldn't enjoy the people I was with or the rest of the play for worrying about that stupid gate (I had to stand on my tip toes and turn sideways to get through). I'll tell you - VERY ridiculous! It just doesn't make sense not to change something that bothers me when I have 100% control over fixing the problem. And I don't care what emotional, mental, or phyiscal problems I've got I am still the ONLY person who controls what goes into my mouth or whether or not I exercise. Short of being laid up in the hospital there really is no reason I can't get moving - even if it is just doing sit-to -be -fit exercises, there is SOMETHING I can do but it is up to me to do it.

My goodness, another rant. It is so funny that while I really enjoy keeping up with all of you I catch myself talking to myself just as much. I swear I think that is a big part of what keeps me going - being able to let those feelings and thoughts out. They make so much more sense to me when I do!

Everybody keep up the good work - seems like we are all starting to find our way back on track. Let's work together to keep ourselves here! Hope you all have a fantastic day!

03-08-2005, 01:55 PM
It is a BEAUTIFUL day!

I'm still catching up on reading, but there is some wow stuff in there. Thought I'd let you all know that today is my ground zero. I'm starting fresh. Yes, this is an again, but you know what? It doesn't matter. The end result is what I am after, and it doesn't matter how many times I need to restart to get there. So, how am I doing this? I'm exercising 3 times minimum this week. I already have one of those down. I grocery shopped for healthy foods this morning. My food plan for the next 3 days is low carb to get me started, then I'll be doing the plan Decision set me up with originally. I plan to do one thing each day to help keep my head pointed the right direction. Affirmations, little bits of extra calorie burning things throughout the day, all that will work together to get me where I want to go. I'm ready, I'm on fire!

Ok, but for now, I have to get offline and catch up on my house and the rest of my life. I'll be back to finish reading and do responses later!


03-08-2005, 04:51 PM
I've been over in the maintainer's forum looking at before and after pics. Pictures in magazines don't impress me because who knows how much work was done to make the after pictures look as good as they do. Now, the REAL LIFE pictures, they impress (and motivate) me.

Everybody, of course, looked better after losing the weight but what struck me the most was how much YOUNGER every single one of them look now that they've reached their goal weights. I think as far as vanity goes that is the one thing I look forward to once I've lost all of the weight I need to. I don't necessarily want to look young but I do want to look my age. I hate that at 36 I look and feel 50. Now, I know a lot of 50+ people and it is true that some people get better with age so I'm not knocking that stage of life. Just saying that I don't want be there while I'm still in my 30's.

Heck, I guess feeling 50 when I'm only 36 isn't as bad as it gets. What really scares me is knowing that if I don't succeed this time around I'll be 56 and look and feel 90!
The last thing I want is to be an inconveniece to the people I love because I was too fat and lazy to make a commitment to health in my youth.

Catch you later,

03-08-2005, 05:09 PM
OH, many times do we all do the same thing? Pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and start again. That's what we must do. If we have to 'start again' every single day, then so be it. That's what will get us where we want to be. When we stop and say, "That's it. No more." all will be lost.

I know what you guys are saying about feeling like the fattest one out there, but believe me, every other fat person you see probably feels the same way, guaranteed. And so do some of the skinny ones! <I always thought I was fat, even when I wasn't> That's why we really need to get it into our heads that it doesn't matter what other people think, or, it doesn't matter what we think other people think...all that matters is that we are working every single day on what we need to do to achieve our goals. Whether we see that loss on the scale or in the tightness/looseness of our pants...we just need to keep doing what we know will work in the long run. Look past the 'quick fix.' We need to get it into our heads that this is how we have to live our lives: Healthy eating (not dieting), regular exercise, positive thinking.

There is a guy that I see regularly at my gym. He must weigh at least 400 lbs...Tall, but quite heavy. It's almost painful to watch how he walks with some difficulty and shortness of breath. I have to say that he truly inspires me, because he is there, all the time. I've seen him in the pool, on the weight machines, on the treadmill. He is working it! You can be sure there are people that must think negative thoughts about his size, but all I can think of is what determination he must have to get there and exercise, knowing that's probably the case.

And you know what? Even if there are people making disparaging remarks about your size or whatever...who cares? They are the ones who are not happy with are doing something to improve your life. Don't let what people may or may not be saying stop you from achieving your goals!


I'm realizing that this way of living, eating, exercising is not a temporary thing, it is a lifestyle change. Tricia gives good advice when she speaks of feeding the craving with a small amount of something really good, rather than peck and pick and nibble til you've consumed WAY more than the craving would be worth!

I'm just getting a few things off my chest here, can you tell?

Okay, back to laundry. Back later....

03-08-2005, 08:33 PM
Kat, I soooo agree with everything in your post. When I look back at my struggles with weight I don't think of it as stopping and starting. Instead I look at them as ongoing since I never lost the DESIRE to be healthy, fit, or thin. I started with an unrealistic body image (thinking I was fat when I wasn't) and moved to being slightly overweight on up to 214 pounds. I don't remember a time that I wasn't trying to lose weight or shape up. So while I may have stumbled along the way, put my weight on the back burner with each pregnancy, lost my focus here and there, I've always been on a journey to better my physical self.

I know I'm going to reach my goal weight and I don't have any reason to think that I won't maintain it. But I am preparing now because I know that even at 135 lbs I'll still have little starts and stops to contend with. There will be vacations, and holidays, and celebrations that may lead to a pound or two every now and then. I think what a lot of people fail to understand is that once you have become overweight you have make a lifetime commitment in order to turn yourself around. The phrase "lifestyle change" is just another word diet unless you really understand it and apply it. And I don't believe that it matters when or how you put on the pounds. Whether you've been overweight from birth or just put on 30 pounds during a pregnancy you are highly aware of what you've subjected your body to and that takes a toll as much mentally as physically. There is just no forgeting what fat feels like inside or out. And I suspect most people who have been there battle that feeling for the rest of their lives, even if they get "thin."

So, yeah, starts and stops are to be expected. And they certainly shouldn't be viewed negatively. I can't think of ANYTHING I've ever done that I didn't lose focus on at one point or another and have to actively shake things up to get back on track. Parenting, being a good wife, being a good friend - they all take a lifetime of commitment and surely we've all had times when we didn't put as much effort into them as we should have. But, if they are important enough to us, we find our way back and jump right in again doing the best we can. We shouldn't treat our weight loss plans any differently. We aren't perfect. We aren't going to be perfect. The real mistake isn't getting off track it is getting off track and never attempting to get back on.

I'm off to a step class. I don't feel like it, but I'm going. Greg just took the kids to karate. The house is quiet, there are no messes to pick up and all I really want to do is sit here and enjoy it. But, here I go, gonna peel myself off my chair and move this big arse. I know I won't regret it.

You all have good nights!

03-08-2005, 09:48 PM
Stop do not post here but join us on "Sanctuary - #13 Everyone Welcome"

c bo be
03-09-2005, 08:10 AM
Hello everyone!

Kat: Just enjoyed your remark about how humbleing it was to see a man at the gym who weighs 400 lbs exercising. I am the same way as far as being inspired by other peoples determination. A big round of applause for that man. That definately makes me humbled when I think of how difficult it probably is for him and then I hear myself whine and complain at times. It also goes to show how people are always watching other people totally unawhere how they might be motivating someone else. You never know how we might change someone else life by what we do. I remember at one of my more fitter times a ran a mini marathon. I was 40 years old. I tell you I felt so puffed up about myself. Well, let me tell you I had some very humbleing moments that day. I had 70 and 80 year old people passing me up. Yep, that made me have such respect for others that day. And this one older lady had to be at least 80 but as she passed me by she was singing too. I'm sure she sang all the way to the finish line. And when I see a program on TV that has people exercizing and they have amputations and other disabilities that really makes me think hard about my excuses.

Ok, I got distracted by a phone call last night and got busy and forgot I was on the puter typing a post for this forum. Well, I better get busy and get to work. Must hava had a brain fart. Yep, that what it was.

Later gators, cheryll