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travkitty
02-21-2005, 11:50 AM
Wow, I have the first real thread in the new forum.....kick butt!

For those of you who don't know, I'm a radio personality who used to work for LAWL. Now, they are basically paying me to do the program & do testimonials.

I'm an avid exerciser & weight lifter, started the program in early November, have been nearly POP except for 3 weeks over the holidays when I was very sick. On the scale, I've only lost about 10 pounds, but I've gone from a size 16 to a loose 12 with almost 20 inches lost. In fact, I was disappointed about the scale being the same again this morning as I felt about 10 pounds lighter & thinner this morning. My jeans, which I just bought about 3 weeks ago, are practically falling off.

I've been ecstatic with the program, but now they're threatening to cancel me because of the scale. Well, the corporate folks are threatening, though the center people understand & think I'm doing great.

I'm just so pissed off about it all, as I like getting the extra money I'm getting, plus I've been losing inches. But, that pesky scale is being the stick in the mud. I simply can't do the 2 day TO because I need the fuel for my exercise.

The center manager was going to talk to the corporate supervisor & try to convince them to keep me on since it's obvious I'm losing inches. She said it will probably be fine to continue, but I'll know on Wednesday for sure. Working out less & weightlifting less is NOT an option for me, as my metabolism gets sluggish if I don't workout. And I workout too much to drop me down a plan. Why can't corporate just accept that some people lose weight in different ways?

I'm just pissed off...this is exactly why I stopped working for them before, I just didn't like the corporation.

Just wanted to vent, as I pretty much have no power over what happens next.


textjewel
02-21-2005, 08:30 PM
Travkitty - your point is something that's been mentioned several times - that LAWL is based on scale success and doesn't take into effect other measures! What plan are you on? Is it possible that you are not eating enough cals?

But, your success is awesome - dropping that many inches with only a ten pound loss! How close are you to goal?

Several chickies on the main thread are stalling because they are about 10 pounds from goal - could this be happening to you, too?

In any event, I have my fingers crossed for you on Wednesday. Let us know how it goes.

Julie

travkitty
02-22-2005, 12:33 AM
Well, initially my goal was 30 pounds, down to 137. I didn't know how my body would lose going in. When I lost my first 100 pounds on my own several years ago, I never looked at the scale until about a year in. I had dropped about 10 sizes, but according to the scale, I was astounded to have only lost about 40 pounds. Using weight loss arithmetic, 10 pounds = 1 size. That's how I measure having lost 100 pounds of fat. Of course, I put on a LOT of muscle. I've always put muscle on easily.

Anyway, I started at 168, now I'm at 157, but down 2 sizes. My main goal (and I told them this from the get go) was that I wanted to be a size 8 & not even pay attention to the scale because I KNEW that my body didn't operate that way. They insisted that I have a scale-based goal as well.

The problem is that my body just doesn't want to give up the ghost with my tummy, thighs & butt. I'm STILL losing weight in my feet & hands, which are practically skeletal anyway. I'm losing in my midsection, but at a snail's pace. Granted, slowly is better than nothing. Every time I come into the center, feeling great because my pants are baggier & I feel lighter, that scale doesn't budge & I feel deflated. Then, they act like I'm doing something wrong, trying to analyze my diary for problems. Of course, because there's a new counselor every week, I seem to always get the new one who doesn't realize that I know what I'm doing....I used to work for LAWL, for friggin' sake!

I also told them from the get-go that my body takes a while to decide to lose weight. When I lost my first 100 pounds, I was doing everything right, working out, & not the scale nor my inches budged for 6 months. In fact, I got BIGGER. But then, overnight the inches started melting off. Because I spent most of last year inactive because of my back injury, I gained back about 15 pounds & I'm sure my metabolism had fallen back to sluggish, so I had been expecting it to take 6 months again for it to rev up.

I guess it just astounds me that some of the people running & working for LAWL really have no clue about real weight issues. They are taught this program (which does work, but it needs to be modified on a case-by-case basis) & that it's the law. If the person isn't losing scale weight, they are doing something wrong. That's just not the case. Not everyone will lose actual weight, but lose the inches. Some people will lose weight quickly, but not look like they have lost because they aren't toning. Some people will not lost 2+ pounds per week, as each person's body is different. The all-or-nothing viewpoint of so many in corporate is maddening.

But, at least at this point, all looks good. My salesperson with the radio station says that the person pitching the fit isn't the decisionmaker with my endorsement deal anyway, & that he'd take care of it.

To be honest, I could probably lose it myself, but I like having the extra money. ;) If I ended the program, I'd just have to find a different endorsement deal. And, let's face it, what do they care if it works for me, as long as I get people into the center? LOL!

What a world I live in....


textjewel
02-22-2005, 09:05 AM
Hi Travkitty -

Let's hope that you can get LAWL to shift their emphasis from just pounds to both pounds and inches! I have my fingers crossed for you until tomorrow.

I do think it's amazing that there is such a turnover in their staff - I have about two that have been there since I started; the manager just left; and it is a challenge to go to WI and have to face the same questions each time. Are you on the new plan yet? I also lose weight in clumps - nothing around TOM time and then I drop 3 pounds in a week. . .

One question - why would you need to find another endorsement deal? Is that a job requirement?

Julie

travkitty
02-22-2005, 09:26 AM
I'd need a new endoresement deal to replace the money I was getting for LAWL. When you get used to that extra money, you want to find something to replace it.

aphil
02-22-2005, 09:28 AM
travkitty-

I am a moderator here at 3FC, not an LAWL member-but I mod this section.

I have found that the biggest problem with LAWL is that they base their results on the scale alone-and don't care if you are losing inches at all. They don't care about fitness.

If you are losing inches, but not pounds right now-then don't change anything. You are mking progress. You are obviously gaining muscle mass and losing body fat percentage. DON'T CHANGE A THING!

What I would suggest, is that you take a tape measure and measure your bust at the fullest point, your waist, the fullest part of your hips, the fullest part of each thigh, and around your biceps. Write this info down. Measure snig, but not tight in underclothes. Keep track of this. Measure every couple weeks and chart it. Maybe it will help if they "see" the changes in writing.

You can't change LAWL. The counselors are not trained in nutrition and fitness...they are trained in the LAWL plan, and there is nothing you can do about it.

I have stayed the same scale weight approximately for a few months. But-I am a performer, and I dance, strength train, walk, and do yoga for what equals out to approximately 10 hours per week. I took my measurements yesterday and just since the start of the new year my butt is 3/4" smaller and my waist is 1/2" smaller. So-there is progress that is visual. The whole point to me is to "look" good anyhow-so I don't care if my scale says 110 or 150 as long as I look firm and shapely, you know?

I love the ladies here that do LAWL, but I really do think that they need to start making some changes in their program. Taking measurements once a month and charting that as well as the weigh ins is one of them.

It is not that you are losing weight "differently" it is that you are working out and changing your body. Because active people who exercise have more muscle mass than sedentary people-most weigh more than inactive people of the same clothing size.

For instance-some of the mods here at 3FC who strength train a lot weigh in the 130-150 range-but they are wearing 4's and 6's. Those same weight ranges on people who don't work out are wearing 8's and 10's.

LAWL is scale based...and that is just the way it is. You are doing what is right...and honestly, when it all comes down to it-you have to do what is right for you and your body-and not what is right for your endorsement deal.

JMHO,
Aphil

Star
02-22-2005, 11:30 AM
Travkitty,

LAWL advertises it's success at a "weight" loss of 2 pounds per week. That's what they determine how many weeks it will take someone to get to their ideal "weight goal"
For them to change their rules for you is pretty far fetched, don't you think?
I'm not saying their obession with the scale is right, but that is their measuring tool for success. They have never even encouraged working out and I have gone there two different years for weight loss.
On a brighter note, sounds like you are doing fine and if you can do it on your own, without LA & their money, then your probably better off and less stressed to do just that.

travkitty
02-22-2005, 11:47 AM
Yes, they base their weight loss weeks on the 2 pounds rule, but when I was in training, they made it clear, to us, that it was unrealistic for that to happen consistently throughout the program. In their words, we were setting them up for having to buy extra weeks. But, we had to get them committed to something right off the bat, & then when the 2 pounds didn't happen (although occasionally it does) their refund was void.

So, although the program does work, it doesn't work quite as easily & quickly as they make it sound during the initial presentation. Yes, it is a form of scam, which is why I stopped working for them a while back. The funny thing is that they knew up front when I started the endorsement deal that I used to work for them & know how it works. The turnover, however, is what keeps these new people on my ***, because I do have to explain myself anew every week, so it seems.

I'll keep doing it until they just pull it. But I won't fret about it anymore. The extra money is nice, as I still have to pay for a trip to New Zealand next January. That's why I'm trying to hang on for as long as I can. The program is paying for the trip!

As an extra note, a different radio personality in my building did the same deal, lost his weight, albeit slowly & without exercise/lifting, but has since gained it back. He's still doing the endorsement deal, just not telling anyone that he gained the weight back, & they aren't giving him ANY grief over it. Of course, he went to a different center in this city, so perhaps that's the difference.

He was eating a cream filled long john donut this morning. GRRRRR!

ilovemike
02-23-2005, 09:05 PM
When I went to lawl in 2000 they took our measurements every month so at least at that center they used both the scale and inches to measure progress. It was good to see that I'd lost inches because it is somehow a different type of encouragement than simply seeing the numbers change on the scale. Somehow a reduction in inches seems more tangible than seeing the numbers change on the scale. IMHO!

Suzanne 3FC
02-24-2005, 12:22 AM
If they base their success on 2 pounds for week, why is it that all of the testimonials on their website that lost 2lbs per week say "results not typical"? What IS typical for them?

textjewel
02-24-2005, 09:31 AM
Suzanne - I'm not sure if it's the 2 pound a week rate that is not typical, or the total loss that is not typical. I've noticed the same sort of disclaimer in the WW magazine for their featured losers.

I suspect that what is not typical is that people stick with it long enough . .. like most diet plans.

Julie

auditgirl
02-24-2005, 10:27 AM
My center still makes a big deal that I'm over the 2lb a week average, but most of it is because I lost so much, so fast that I was averaging about 3.5 pounds per week some weeks. Now that I'm down to the last 25lbs or so, it's been .5 or maybe a pound a week, but my average is still over 2 lbs per week. I do think the ads are somewhat misleading because some people expect to lose 2lbs each and every week without fail.

I agree with Julie, I think the non-typical result is to stick with the program and get to goal weight...here's to being a non-typical result statistic :-)

Jen

travkitty
02-24-2005, 11:24 AM
Well, I'm staying on the program, but the center manager said "but I want to see some real progress in 3 weeks. I'm giving you 3 weeks."

I shot her a bad look & said, "What progress have I not shown? I'm on plan, I've lost almost 20 inches & 2 sizes."

Her response was, "Oh."

Well, luckily I don't have to deal with her every time I come in.

The funny thing is that a guy on one of our other stations has lost 19 pounds in his first month, but only 5 inches. I've lost 12 pounds & almost 20 inches. Just goes to show you how different each person can be, & that they need to measure progress on a case-by-case basis, not a general blanket.

textjewel
02-24-2005, 12:11 PM
Travkitty - good for you - glad that you got at least 3 weeks. What kind of endorsing do you do - is it radio ads? (Can you find anything nice to say?)

travkitty
02-24-2005, 02:50 PM
Well, the center manager is the one saying "3 more weeks" & that was before I pointed out the inches. I'm just not going to lose 2 pounds on the scale every week, not the way I exercise & lift. When I talked to my ad exec again, he said not to worry about it, since it's the corporate gal who decides yea or nay, not the individual center manager.

Yes, I do radio ads. I find plenty to say. I am shrinking, feeling better, not hungry & my blood pressure is normal again. The problem is that my success doesn't fit into their categorical box, which probably wouldn't be as much of a big deal except that I'm not paying for the program, plus I get paid to do it. So, they would throw a fit if they only looked at the scale & not my inches lost.

textjewel
02-24-2005, 07:22 PM
Don't they worry that if they drop you that you'll use the air time to their DISADVANTAGE? Or did you sign some sort of 'silence' agreement?

Julie

travkitty
03-02-2005, 01:12 PM
I can't really bad mouth LAWL since they still advertising with our stations, with me on the plan or not.

Today was interesting. We decided to bump me back up to the red plan on Monday since I've stepped up my workouts to over 7 hours per week. I'm just addicted to exercise & I'm not stopping. I was down a half a pound today, which is huge because I also found out last week that I have IBS (irritable bowel syndrome) which could be affecting my weight loss. I'll be going on a medical research study later this month for a new drug for IBS, which I told the center.

However, today our sales rep who has the LAWL account emailed me saying that the center says I may be gaining & that corporate is freaking.

The scale hasn't gone up, only been in the same 2 pound range for several weeks, I haven't gained any inches girth-wise. Again, it's like they freak if anyone doesn't fit their pre-packaged mold of a weight loss success.

I'm not freaking about it, they can if they want. Aside from their corporate crap, I'm happy with the program. I can't help it if I'm gaining muscle faster than losing fat & that my IBS is causing me to retain water like a buffalo. I've lost 10 pounds & 20 inches, I'm happy, case closed, at least in my mind.

I will hang on for a couple more weeks & see if the plan change & exercise upswing help. My doctor recommended I increase the exercise to offset the water retention & constipation caused by the IBS. I'f I'm losing inches but still getting grief from corporate, I'm dumping the plan, money be darned. I'll make up the loss of money somehow.

GRRRRRR!

Annie

aphil
03-02-2005, 02:08 PM
Annie-I edited the abbreviations out of your post. I know you are upset, and you have EVERY right to be in my opinion, but try to keep it cleaner, okay? ;)

textjewel
03-02-2005, 06:51 PM
Annie -

Thanks for giving us the update!

I am sorry to hear about the bad news from the doctor- hope that you will find the right treatment soon. You are so brave to be a guinea pig :)

I am also sorry to hear about your problems with corporate - from what I've seen, LAWL is generally VERY HANDSOFF anyone with a health problem - this may also be because the 2#/week goal. . . they may use the IBS as a reason to drop you.

But, I have to ask - even if they drop you - you won't stop, right? The program is working for you in every way but the pounds? And I'm right that the scale doesn't bother you as much as it does them?

Best luck!
Julie

travkitty
03-02-2005, 10:16 PM
Yes, I'd still continue on my own, using the Luna Bars instead of the Lites.

I'm ecstatic about the program, but, yes, corporate is being difficult. The big reason, they said, is that they haven't had a lot of calls to the number I've been promoting. I found this interesting because just a couple weeks ago they said they had a great response.

Well, I'm a female talking about a weight loss program on a male-oriented station...what do they expect? For all they know, there could be quite a few people walking in or calling the local number. There's no one else on the station who can go on the program...everyone else is thin.

I don't know, I'll just go with the flow. I'd hope they'd give me another couple of weeks to see if the changes work.

travkitty
03-03-2005, 03:38 PM
Well, I resigned from my endorsement deal today. I'm hoping another endorsement deal will come my way soon. I sent an email to the sales rep here, tell me what you think:

Bill,

I know you've had to deal with a lot regarding LA Weight Loss, & after giving this some thought, even though I'll really miss the money & I'm ecstatic with the results, I don't want to keep playing tug of war with them. I was fearful when I started this that what disenchanted me with LAWL when I worked for them would happen all over again, & it has. They focus so much on the scale that even though clients are seeing progress & results, they get beaten down because they are working out hard. I just won't be a lazy *** & not exercise. And, if that makes me a poor spokeswoman for them, then so be it. Perhaps I'll find a weight loss or exercise client that will encourage my healthy lifestyle, which I am open to, by the way. I just feel like my dedication & work ethic is being questioned by LAWL & it's stressing me out too much to make it worth it to me anymore.

Ray said you had asked Cole about some product similar to Ultra 90 or something. I would be interested in knowing about it if it fits me. If not, please keep your ears out for anything else needing an endorsement personality, your client or otherwise. I just can't cheer on the LAWL bandwagon when even they don't seem to care about whether their clients are having their needs met.

I hope you understand. I'll put this week on my talent form for March, but that's it.

Thanks.

textjewel
03-03-2005, 09:16 PM
Annie - I know this was a tough decision, but think it was the right one considering the center and corporate problems on top of the new health challenges!

I hope you continue to let us know what's up with you!

Hugs!
Julie