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01-28-2005, 11:27 AM
Hi world! This is a trial run of a mini "club" for those amongst us who have or are in the process of eliminating refined (or all) sugar from their gorgeous bods! Just wonderin' who might be interested in, say, postin' regularly on how they're doing in their sugar-free quest and exchanging support and ideas.

Personally, I'm on Day 13 of my mission to eat "NO REFINED SUGAR/NO WHITE FLOUR" ... I'm also aiming for a generally low glycemic diet and roughly using the Sugar Busters diet books as a guideline ... I say roughly because I don't agree with everything in the books and believe in doing my own thing. Note: I don't follow a "low carb" diet, just a "good carb" one.

My testimonial: Elimination of the refined sugar/white flour has made me shout: "Blessed Be!!!!" (Not bee, because I don't eat honey either, even if it's not a refined sugar). It has made me feel that "eureka" feeling that I've found IT ... it being the key to stabilizing blood sugar, losing weight and for the first time in years being free of the constant food cravings torturing me.

So anyhow, I'm just posting this to see if there's any interest ... I'll delete it if nobody posts or if people post but never come back so's not to clog up the bandwith here! :angel:

01-28-2005, 07:50 PM
OK.........define the sugars for me A....I think I've been doing this now for a couple weeks (17 days) without really realizing it. I have had white flour in my sourdough biscuits, but other than cookies, no candy, no desert other than I qualifiying? If so, Geez I didn't even know! I do know that I'm not craving things as much but I'd attributed that to the no booze rule. And the no eating after 7 rule. Those things work for me!



01-28-2005, 08:19 PM
Yo, welcome Ceara! That's great that you're on the 17th day ... re the definition as the sugars, I think that's up to the individual. It's almost impossible to find food with no sugar, so I'm using the no "refined" sugar mantra ... inspired by Eydie, who as you know has racked up more than 100 days.

The no white flour thingie is just a guideline from Sugar Busters that I've added to my personal plan ... with these two things gone, my cravings have just disappeared ... hmmm, if I didn't have a sinus infection, I'd feel wonderful, I think.

Today, I went to work and did feel rocky with this head thing, so came back early and thought how a few weeks ago I'd have tried making myself feel better with cupcakes as I drove home ... it was wonderful not to have the desire to do so ... but I did want a treat, so I stopped at the health food store and ground myself some of the fresh peanut butter ... calmly brought it home and shared a few tablespoons with Old Dog ... that would not have satisfied me if I were still eating sugar.

Dunno. This works! Huzzah!

01-29-2005, 11:17 AM
Did a Saturday instead of Sunday weigh-in and lo, three pounds gone ... no cravings all week ... usually a sinus problem makes me GAIN weight ... hmmm ....

01-29-2005, 11:37 PM
Hmmm. Well, I was thinkin' o' deleting this as I don't like to take up space, but it won't delete. Shall we just let this idea die out ... see ya in the land, far, far away and in the palace. :)

01-30-2005, 11:15 AM
Ack! Dont leave, I just found you! And you know, this is the thing I can talk about ad nauseum. Yep, Blessed be and eureka indeed. I think for us sugar addicts, this is the key--to just say no.

Speaking of just say no, when you think about it, there's a lot of "drug talk" connected with eating sugar. We call ourselves 'chocoholics', we talk about getting our 'sugar fix', and admit it, most of us have our 'stash'. :o We talk about detoxing from sugar occasionally, we talk about how we can't resist it, it always pulls us back in. I know that I never wanted anyone to know how much sugar I ate, and would eat it in secret [of course it showed up as extra weight!], and I was in denial telling myself that I could have all the sugar I wanted as long as it was in low-fat things.
I truly hope that I'm not offending anyone by comparing sugar to a drug, but biochemically speaking, for some of us it just is.

I hope to cut back more and more on ALL sugars eventually. At this point, I avoid anything made with sugar cane. White, brown, turbinado, evaporated cane juice, sucanat, all that. At this point I'm allowing myself dried fruit, fruit juice concentrate, date sugar, maple syrup [just a bit!], honey occasionally, rice srup, barley malt, carob. They're all sweet, but they don't trigger me to want more and more like regular sugar.

The plan I'm on now is from Kathleen DesMaison's book "The Sugar Addict's Total Recovery Program" and it's changed my life totally. I've become a different person, nothing really shakes me up anymore. I could go on and on about how I've changed on so many levels. Now that I'm not living in a sugar fog with constant cravings I can be totally myself. That sounds like such a sweeping statement but it's true!

I'm on Day 134 and can't imagine going back to the way I was before. I'm freeeee!

01-30-2005, 03:58 PM
Just pm'd thee, :queen: E!!! :wave: Well, I can talk about this all day, too. I'm like a starving woman in the desert who just found dietary nirvana (or something). I personally do think, as I've shared with you, that there's a connection between overcomsumption of refined sugar and the factors that go into chemical dependency ... not meaning to say that refined sugar users are drug addicts or alcoholics and also hoping I'm not offending because that's the last thing I want to do (since I'd be offending myself, being that a mere two weeks ago I was the worst "user" of refined sugar/white flour (e.g. CUPCAKES) on the planet ... I just think there's a similar dynamic going on ... blessed be (not bee :) ) it's easier to kick the sugar habit than some other things.

As I said, I'm loosely on Sugar Busters, although every single aspect of it does not fit my reality, it's still the closest thing to my ideal.

As I mentioned in my pm to thee, I started wondering today if really I lost the 3 pounds because I've been sick and it'll come right back. I don't think so, but if it does, I really don't care as I feel so much in control of food and life because of eating this way. Not bingeing is a wonderful release ... I can now get on with other things.

Re the sugars, I'm trying to eliminate all that are refined and some that aren't ... my brother who is really into low glycemic eating (he's a diabetic) says I should not even ever eat anything that tastes sweet other than whole fruit (in order to train the taste buds to prefer nonsweet) ... I see the point but have decided to use a bit of Splenda, say in oatmeal and I like a tiny bit in milk ... I aspire not to ever eat sweets with sugar alcohols (long story that I typed but deleted, again, not wanting to offend anyone). I want to start baking again and make some healthy nonsweet muffins or something to carry around but for now am using sprouted whole grain bread and 100-percent whole wheat mini pitas for bread ... Sugar Busters says don't eat a lot of bread, but I don't agree ... and it is NOT a low carb diet plan similar to Atkins (as someone in the gym informed me incorrectly) ... it calls for 40-50 percent of the diet to be in "good" carbs (e.g., no refined sugar, no white flour, low glycemic).

The book also gives some real life compromises that can be made when situation arise ... I really like it, but again, I don't follow it slavishly. It's just a general guideline I adapt to my purposes.

Hmmm. Re dried fruit ... I see that although raisins are the same GI as table sugar (64), dried apricots are far less and SB says these are acceptable. Still don't think I'll go there.

The biggest revelation is how freshly ground peanut butter has become my dessert of choice now ... or sometimes a meal. I get it at the health food store ... they use dry roasted nuts with no sugar added ... I buy a tablespoon or so and sometimes an apple and take it on the road ... completely annihilates any thoughts of bingeing ... I've never had this fresh peanut butter ... always bought in a jar ... I am now in peanut butter heaven ... a woman at the store today was tutting when I bought some ... mentioning the high cal count ... then she told me she had diabetes and couldn't eat it ... well, that is EXACTLY what she should be eating! There was a cookie in her basket!


Not my biz. :)

01-30-2005, 04:07 PM
A! I thought your ticker had gone down this am when I posted, but then I, she may still be in bed out there, not weighed yet and dismissed it as my rambling mind. Way to Go!

:wave: Eydie! I'm on day 19 with no awful cravings yet...something's different this time...:dunno:

Time to go and have some hot water...yummy!


01-30-2005, 05:13 PM
Thanks for the great post, Amarantha. Lots to digest there! I'll have to read the "Sugar Busters" books. Oddly enough, I listened to the abridged version on tape a few weeks ago--it's easier with that kind of thing to see the printed page though. It was read by the doctors and they have charming old-school southern drawls!
You know, I don't think that those 3 pounds will come back. I've always wondered if one can 'heal' their metabolism and I believe it now. This way of eating obviously resonates so strongly with you and it's going to deposit you squarely at your goal!
It sounds like your brother is going to be a valuable ally in all this too.
Have you tried the cinnamon-raisin Ezikiel bread? It's really good with a little cream cheese and all-fruit jam; similar to a danish or something if you think you'll "need" it, if you foresee a tough day ahead. Just remembered you're avoiding raisins--regular Ezikial is good too.

And Ceara! Wow! 19 days, that's fabulous! I know what you mean about it being 'different this time'. I read another of K. DesMaison's books a few years ago: "Potatoes Not Prozac" and I totally dismissed it, because a life without sugar was unthinkable and unrealistic. Now I think it's do-able. I really don't know what shifted, but I'm glad it did.
Do you know what made you decide to cut back on sugar? Or have you eliminated it entirely?

I'd love to share sometime how we deal with those certain situations. Like going out to eat, people who want to push sugar on you, holidays, etc.

01-30-2005, 06:57 PM
Hey, Ceara, thanks!!! I weighed in yesterday instead of today.

CONGRATULATIONS, Sword Bearer, I didn't realize you were on Day 19!!!! Guess you said that before but I was brainfogged! Huzzah!!!! :cheer: :hb: :hat: That's fantastic. Isn't it wonderful to be free of the cravings? A whole new world of intriguing possibilities opens up, methinks, when cravings are gone.

Re sharing going out to eat, etc., I know that Sugar Busters does have one last-ditch suggestion for when you are lunching with a client who will think you're surly if you don't join 'em in dessert ... I don't advocate this as it involves eating sugar and I won't do that ... but it suggests asking the restaurant for premium vanilla ice cream ... it says that very expensive vanilla ice cream usually has little sugar in it ... I don't agree with that either ... anyhow, it says that if the restaurant doesn't have vanilla ice cream, then at least the client will think you're trying to be a regular person and trying to join her in dessert, etc. ... seem to me it'd be better to ask for sugar free ice cream if you had to (that's allowed on SB) and if they don't have it, so be it. Unfortunately, I can't find sugar-free ice cream that does not have maltodextrin or some other hidden form of sugar and until I do, I'm passing ...

Another odd thing in SBs is that it says that chocolate is healthy (it is) and it's ok now and then to have dark chocolate with less than 60 percent sugar content or a small amount of sugar alcohols ... I can go along with a little sugar alcohol but not the refined sugar ... I won't go back to eating that ...

That said, the sugar content on the nutritional label of a product does not have to be zero, I find. You have to look for added sugars in the ingredients list ... if it doesn't have any, but has fruit or milk, that's where the sugar comes from ... conversely I find that the U.S. government does not require dextrose (sugar), maltodextrin (sugar), maltose (sugar) and a bunch of other things to be listed as sugar on the nutritional label. A diabetic coworker is helping me work some of this out as well.

Oh well, now to play mahjong!

01-30-2005, 07:04 PM
:lol: E, my brother had a fit when I told him I ate raisins! :)

I like one of the sprouted grain Ezekiels ... can't remember the "number" ... it's really good toasted in the oven ... crunchy. I've been eating a lot of eggs and sprouted toast ... seems to work perfectly for my blood sugar ...

Re the chocolate thing, I did find some truly sugar free chocolate pudding, with no sugar alcohols, no maltodextrin, etc. I took a few bites and that satisfied my feeling that I might want chocolate. I have one more little cup of this and will use when appropriate.

02-01-2005, 12:41 PM
Hmmm ... guess I'll add another post! :lol: I'm on Day 17 of no refined sugar/no white flour and basically Sugar Busters. Going to mountains to work and since I'm now in love with fresh nut butters but ate too much of what I was grinding from the health food store, I decided to make my own in the Magic Bullet. Put in three servings/ounces/23 nuts (510 cals) of low salt cashews ... not the dry roasted kind because the only kind I could find of those had maltodextrin (grrr) added ... just cashews, which have heart healthy oil, are satisfying and delicious in small amounts and also have both carbs and protein in a good ratio (who knew? I thought they were carbless). Whirred and pulsed the MB a bit and came up with about four tablespoons of extremely warm and good cashew butter, ate a tablespoon of it and packed the rest in a small container to take to the mountains to work. I will buy lf milk up there and maybe fruit and this will be my lunch and dinner ... if I stay later than I intend.

02-01-2005, 01:37 PM
Amarantha, I love cashew butter. I've noticed that it's not as expensive as it used to be in the stores--or maybe I'm just willing to pay for it now! :)

I made some great pancakes Sunday. I used a whole grain pancake mix, added some chopped pecans, and one more secret ingredient: corn! I had some exceptionally sweet leftover corn, so I pureed it in the food processor and used that in place of some of the liquid, and I added a scoop of vanilla protein powder and they were the best pancakes I'd ever made. The corn and vanilla made them sweet without a bit of sugar. I did drizzle on some real maple syrup and I was in Sunday breakfast heaven! I'll definitely do that again.

02-01-2005, 01:54 PM
Ok Eydie. That does it! You are coming to Canada with Garry. He will work in my library with me and you shall be the supreme chef de la creme for us all!

I'm hungry.

On Day 21 now...still no cravings but did have more nutty trail mix on Sunday than I should have. Am also fighting off a respiratory thingy...darn faucet nose!

:lol: Ceara

02-01-2005, 04:04 PM
I would very much like to cut out all refined sugar, I just do not know if I am "there" yet, if you know what I mean. However, today I had a very proud moment: I was at the store picking up lunch (daal, yummy) and I thought about getting a cream cheese brownie and instead I got an orange. It then occured to me how this whole process is not about one decisions ("I am on a diet") but about making the same decision every day many times. I then conquered the desire to buy a cany bar when I stopped at the gas station.

So maybe instead of saying that I have made the decision to cut out refined sugar, I will say that I will try and consistently make the decision to not eat refined sugar.

02-01-2005, 11:09 PM
Hi ho :queen: s Eydie, Ceara (the Sword Bearer) and SeeCat!!!!! (That's NOT HoHo as in a refined sugary chocolate creme thingie that WE don't eat!!!) :)

Eydie, thy pancakes sound delicious and so healthy!!! What a good start to Sunday! The protein powder really made them bodybuilder pancakes ... POWERFUL!

Re the cashew butter, I ended up not eating the whole recipe as it was so rich and satisfying that I couldn't. It served as several mini meals during the production day. Next time I think I'll add some walnuts for omega-3 (or 6, I'm not sure which walnuts have).

I envy you the corn as I've forsworn it ala Sugar Busters (they forbid all corn and corn products). I'd like to try some pancakes like you made, though, will think what I can use in place of the corn. I'm thinkin' these could be a good carry-around food.

Ceara, CONGRATULATIONS ON DAY 21!!! :cheer: That's fantastic! Sorry about thy respiratory ailment (that's what my sinus thingie turned into this week, better now though).

SeeCat, I love what you wrote about how the decision is made one choice at a time, day by day, minute by minute. WTG on the decision to get an orange instead of a brownie ... and following it with the decision not to buy a candy bar. THESE WERE VERY IMPORTANT MOMENTS, in my not-humble opinion. Congratulations! :cheer:

I made a rather disconcerting discovery today: MY PLAIN SOYMILK HAS DEHYDRATED CANE JUICE IN IT!!!! :yikes: Dehydrated cane juice is turbinado SUGAR!!!! :eek: However, it is natural sugar, not refined, so I haven't inadvertently broken my no refined sugar rule and I actually haven't fallen out of step with Sugar Busters because SB says you can have plain soymilk and guess what it ALL has dehydrated cane juice in it!!! :( I can see I will have to get one of those machines that makes homemade soymilk soon as I desire not to ingest turbinado if possible.

Testimonial: I am counting my days that I am not eating refined sugar/white flour. This is Day 17. When I get to 365 days, I will stop counting and figure it's a lifestyle. I am paying no attention, though, to any inadvertent slips if refined sugar/white flour accidentally gets into some food I didn't know it's in ... in that case I will still claim the day to my credit. However, as stated, the turbinado I drank in the soymilk a few times was natural, but I still desire not to ingest it.

Re real lf milk, SB gives the go-ahead on that (fat free and lowfat have a higher glycemic index than whole, but it's all good). I got a bit paranoid about the lactose (I'm not allergic to it), which is (sigh) sugar, but it's natural (e.g., not refined) and it's not added, it's part of the milk.

I was a little confused about milk. I looked briefly at the lactose free kind and the low carb kind. I find it amazing that they can say the lactose free milk is "lactose free" ... it has the same sugar/carb count as the regular; they just add an enzyme that helps lactose-intolerant people digest it. It is not "free" of anything. What a misleading statement.

As for the low carb kind, I think milk is supposed to have carbs. It's made that way by nature to provide all the macro nutrients (in my not humble O). Since I like to eat carbs with protein always, I've decided that milk can be a mini meal since it has both the carbs and the protein, plus the lactose for energy.

The really neat thing about this is that my desire for little bottles of dulce de leche milk from the convenience store to help me run around the county is gone. I now buy little bottles of fat free milk (they sell 'em RIGHT NEXT TO THE DULCE DE LECHE, who'da thunk it?!!) and have no desire to even put Splenda in it. Because I'm free of refined sugar, the milk tastes fine the way it is.

Hmmm, I am ranting, apologies for the length of this missive. I realize I sound a bit nuts (cashews? walnuts? pecans?) about this project but it's taking on a life of its own. My blood sugar is stable, there's more clarity in my fevered brain, real food tastes better than it has in years, I have NO food cravings, my bodyfat percentage went down and I lost three pounds without even trying (well, I'm actually expectin' some of that to come back but don't care).

P.S. I have shown the Sugar Busters book to a couple of people ... one lady on my beat has ordered her own copy and today a lady I work with says she wants her granddaughter to try it. And so it goes.

02-02-2005, 06:29 AM
Hello all--

Although I just finally made it here, I've been thinking about this subject at great length-- and wonder how much of my homonal swings are affected by processed white stuff..... I do know the past few days ( which I blamed on the full moon initially) have been to the absolute far end of the graph for cravings, emotions, complexion, energy, ......

I do know, when I get a group of days behind w/o white processed stuff, the cravings are much easier to ovecome but the Empress is sooooooo right about the "hidden" sugars....

and as for the "marketing' of the milk--( lactose free)--- you all know that pushes a very large button for me...

I am thinking I should ALSO journal sugar/no sugar symptoms-- emotions, complexion , etc...


This is a good thread Empress-- very glad its here

02-02-2005, 08:03 AM
Empress, I've seen some "boxed" soy milks that are lableled 'unsweetened'-check and see, Also, I noticed that Silk [I think] makes an unsweetened one--that's with the refrigerated soymilks. When I first started cutting back on sugar, I was heating up chocolate Silk and having that as a treat. Surely, I thought, it's sweetened with rice syup or something--imagine my surprise when I read the label and it said SUGAR. Plain ol' nekkid sugar!

Also, I was very distressed to closely read some of my vegetarian 'meat' staples and see sugar among the ingredients. At this point, I'm not sweating it too much, 'cause I don't really eat much of them. I try to keep it to one serving of soy per day for myself.

Welcome SeeCat and Kaylets!!! :D

Thanks for the invitation, Ceara! I wouldn't mind being your guest chef!

02-02-2005, 02:40 PM
Yo, :queen: K's in the house ... yes, K, would LOVE to see you journal symptoms you relate to the sugar/no sugar conundrum (sp?) ... it's amazing how clear it seems when one's away from it for awhile.

Eydie, great minds think alike! :lol: I FOUND Westsoy's "unsweetened" varieties ... they had plain and, oddly enough, vanilla. The vanilla said it had "vanilla" ... which is ok on my plan 'cause it ain't sugar, folks, and nothing else. Both had the same amount of "sugars" listed but no sugar or turbinado or anything else I don't want on the ingredients, so I assume the "sugar" grams are natural to the soybeans. The vanilla flavor was 10 cals more but I couldn't see exactly where that came from as except for "vanilla" (extract, I assume), they're exactly alike ... I decided to spring for the vanilla as I'm miffed because Sugar Busters says you can have sugar free ice cream but I can't find any without maltodextrin or dextrose (SUGAR!). I wanted a butter substitute also and found that only the buttery sprays have no hydrogenated ingredients and/or DEXTROSE AND MALTODEXTRIN ... or however you spell that word. I know I'm nitpicking, but I want to be strict for awhile until I get the hang of this. So I got the sprays ... the next best thing to get seems to be real full fat butter.

Well, need to rest before working tonight. I'm hopping over to the St. Val's Challenge in the land far far away challenge forum now ... I want to keep that up and do a St. Pat's Party there as well, now that I have a realistic chance of losing weight (hopefully my three pounds are not back).

02-02-2005, 03:39 PM
Greetings! I'm so happy to find this thread! I gave up all sweets (desserts, candies, etc.) on January 1st this year and have lost 13 pounds. Before "D-Day," I took a week to ease into it, and I think that made it easier. Right now--I guess I'm 33 days into it--it's pretty easy--no cravings, am able to resist donuts and other unexpected treat opportunities without much thought. I have not consciously eliminated all forms of sugar from my diet, although I may do that later. I don't think I eat a lot of foods with sugar in them, but as Amarantha points out, it's in EVERYTHING. Amarantha, you've motivated me to be more aware of labels!

When I made this commitment, I told myself that I could have a dessert on holidays (real holidays, not every holiday I can find ;) ) and birthdays, but I'm not sure if I will. Valentine's day is the first holiday I'll encounter, and I was planning on having a dessert at dinner. However, I don't want to relapse (it IS a drug for me, too, Eydie!), so I'm not sure of what to do. Is it possible to have a rare treat?

02-02-2005, 06:18 PM
Greetings, Darlene!!! :wave: That's fantastic: 33 DAYS :cheer: !!!!! Congratulations on your 13-pound loss, too!!!!

I was wondering if you also lowered cals and/or upped the exercise or was the loss due solely to eliminating the sweet stuff? Inquiring minds want to know. :)

Hmmm, maybe you could have your dessert without the sugar. There are lots of choices. I know the Sugar Busters plan I'm on has recipes for "legal" desserts and there are lots of such recipes on this site and everywhere on the web ... then you would be able to be true to your promise to yourself to have a dessert on holidays and yet not risk a relapse ... just a thought.

I know how you feel ... I feel if I imbibe any of that addictive stuff ever again, I'll be in line for donuts at convenience store in the next five minutes. But likely it wouldn't be that dramatic.

It's good to have you here. I'm interested to hear more of your story.

02-02-2005, 07:38 PM
Hello Darlene! 33 days, that's great! Admit it, didn't you love getting to the 30-day mark so you could call it a month? I know I did! :D I agree with Amarantha---I'd love to hear more of your story!

Don't know what to tell you about the desserts on special occasions. For myself, it would be too much. I used to think that I was an emotional eater, and that if I really put my mind to it, then I could have my special dessert, and get right back on track, like all the books say to do. I never could--that one dessert would open the floodgates and it would take days and sometimes weeks for me to white-knuckle myself back on program.
A life without sugar may sound grim to some people, it did to me for years, but now that I'm doing it, I am so digging it! :D

SeeCat, good job on making the healthy choice of a juicy orange over a brownie!!! Love those everyday victories--they really add up! :)

02-03-2005, 09:30 AM
Akk...what a clever thing to do Gypsydancer...start your count on the first...I started somewhere in the midst of January and it is a brain stretch to figure out all the time! I am on Day 23....and goin' strong. I fought off the battle of the hostess crunchy mix last night...I love those hard cheese things, and just went to bed. Another NSV at the moment but it will potentially develop on the scale!

Down 1.5 last night at weigh-in...that is good. Funny thing their scale is going the same way as mine!:lol:

I'm not as religious about this as Empress A...I'm just onto the obvious sugar sources. I'd have to change my glasses to read those labels....or peer over the tops of the ones I'm wearing...I'm terribly short sighted. to have some oatmeal and start the day!

Kudos! :wave:


02-03-2005, 09:51 AM
Just wanted to say that you're doing sooo well, Ceara! :flow1: What happened that made you think it'd be good to avoid sugar? Enquiring minds must know! :D

About the cheese-y crunchy things: when I stopped having sweet treats I allowed myself salty fatty treats. For the first time in years I was having kettle chips [glorified potato chips] and cheese curls, sesame sticks, etc. All those things that I avoided like the plague because of their high fat content., but, hey, no sugar!!! :lol: Kathleen DesMaisons says that very often when one first gives up sugar they turn to fatty things, because the fat gives you the same feeling of comfort, the beta-endorphin rush that sugar does. The great news is I could never become addicted to salty things like I was/am to sugar.

02-03-2005, 10:03 AM
Hi, y'all! I did begin exercising, eliminated snacking between meals, and eliminated starches at dinner at the same time I eliminated sugar, so the weight loss isn't just from going sugar-free (although I'm sure that's a big part of it!). I found that eliminating starches at dinner drastically reduced my sugar cravings. I eat what I want at breakfast and lunch, and don't worry about fat intake (maybe I'll have to later--but now it's just too much!).

I have to say that I'm feeling a lot of anxiety about the prospect of having a dessert, and I'm thinking that it's a sign that it's not a good idea. I was thinking that if I ate my dessert (or shared a dessert with my husband) outside of the house, I would be able to handle it. I'm just not sure. Oh, well, I have time to decide! I'll take your suggestion, Amarantha, and look at the SBD desserts, in the meantime.

Hope you're all doing well! I agree that this is one of the best things I've ever done for myself!

02-03-2005, 10:44 AM
Trust those feelings, Darlene! :)

When I ate sugar, I'm talking like it was a 100 years ago :lol: , the idea of sharing dessert was totally foreign to me. Why would anyone want to do that? If I share it with anyone, there'll be less for me. So whenever courtesy dictated that I share my dessert with anyone I resented it mightily, fantasized about stabbing their theiving hand with my dessert fork--and I'm a very generous person, really! It's funny the things that are so clear now! I'd share anything else, but dessert? Never! It's funny, but not funny---just shows me how powerful an influence it can be. [shudder]

02-03-2005, 11:42 AM
I just realized that I acidently started this on the first of the month, so counting will be a breeze. I survived a meeting last night, which is always hard what with the prevalance of snack foor at night meetings. Of course it could be a morning meeting, in which case it wold have been danishes or somehting, so I suppose I should just stop going to meetings altogether (I wish).

02-03-2005, 11:44 AM
Hi, all!!!! Wow, everyone is doing so well!!! This is really helping me stay on track ... I must admit a few thoughts of all the Valentine's cupcakes I'm missing have crept in. As long as I don't actually act on them, I figure it's all "legal"!!!

Sword Bearer, I'm only being strict now to get me started in the right direction, but I do sound a bit like a crusader on the march to root out all vestiges of heresy, don't I? :lol: I'm havin' fun tryin' to be perfect! :)

Ok, I apologize but am going to put my gym vent here as it's an illustration of how much calmer I am in my sugar free state. Usually, the palace has to hear me vent about people who are annoying me ... lately at the gym my experience has been ruined just about every other day (we're getting some new gyms in around here soon, so s'ok) ... I do apologize for the length and the negativity of this story, but:

Had another run in with some of my fellow gym goers and am amazed at the clarity of mind my sugarless state is producing. This was about the fan in the tiny cardio machine room. Usually the fan is turned on, so I turned it on ... this has been controversial before (yes, I known, it's kindergarten in there), so I made sure it wasn't even touching anyone. A lady I've privately dubbed the "queen of the gym" got all huffy and rude and jerked the fan over to the treadmill where I had started walking. I kind of adjusted it again so it wouldn't touch anyone and she got up and turned it off. I turned it on and adjusted it again so it didn't touch them. The the queen led a charge of two other ladies and one gentleman, saying they didn't want it on because they didn't like the noise (I don't like the noise of their incessant TV but I don't say so and I don't go jerking it off the stand and blasting it at individuals). Usually I'd have left, gotten upset and eaten three packages of Hostess cupcakes on the way home. But instead I calmly told the queen I felt she was causing an incident because she wanted to be in control and I felt that since the gym provided the fan, members had permission by inferral to turn it on. (Usually the gym personnel turns it on). She turned it off and one of the others said it was three against one. I said I did not believe it was a matter of voting since, again, the fan was provided by the gym management and was usually on. I went and asked the person at the front desk if the fan policy could be clarified by the owners and informed her calmly that I apologized for venting to her but was feeling very clear in my mind that I was no longer going to be treated rudely by other members without responding.

So, yes, things are clearer now ... I will never go back, though I might ease off a bit now and then. But again, I think even one taste of the hardcore stuff (I'm not saying I'll never have sugar alcohols or a Splenda dessert and I WILL be making my own "legal" ice cream if I can't find something suitable during the summer heat), would start me on the slippery slope right now.

So I'm soldiering on! :)

02-03-2005, 11:45 AM
Er, I was so long winded I forgot to mention I'm on Day 19!

02-03-2005, 11:52 AM
Gad, Amarantha--what is UP with those people? They're bullies, pure and simple, sounds like you handled it well though. What was the final verdict on the fan?

02-03-2005, 11:53 AM
Yea A! Day 19!

Those gym people need to get a life....or maybe some therapy. They sound very unhappy with themselves. Usually micro-controllers are...

Am thinkin' on thy questions :queen: E. Will respond when I'm done ponderin'.



02-03-2005, 12:00 PM
or dare I say....maybe the wacky gym people are eating WAY too much sugar?!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

02-03-2005, 02:04 PM
Yo, I dinna see thee earlier, SeeCat, congrats on your first o' the month start ... wish I could stop going to meetings altogether also!

Ha, last night I showed everybody at the school board meeting my Sugar Busters book during executive session. They were all reading it! :)

Yea, E, could be my gym compadres (I use the term loosely) need to get off the sugar! :lol: Yes, I do feel they are bullies. I can't tell you how many cupcakes I would be eating right now if this were last month. This freedom not to binge is a miracle.

Oh, the upshot o' the fan was that it was turned on and aimed directly at me, which was ok dokey because it makes me walk faster.

I just called the parks and rec department here and the new multi gen center will not be open until August, so I'm going to go in the other direction next week and look at a gym I saw west of my location because I'm not seeing any other gym building action right here. The new center will have an indoor walk/run track and I can't wait until it gets here ... there is beautiful outdoor scenary here but it does get rather hot for sandwiching in jogging during the day ... sigh ... wish they'd build faster!

Sorry, digressing off topic.

02-03-2005, 05:43 PM
Hey Amarantha, I saw on another thread how you have a few busy days coming up. Don't forget to plan to bring healthy stuff with you. I know you know that, it's just my clever way of getting you to tell us what you'll be packing. :^:

Question for everyone: I've heard some of you talk about going to meetings and it's only sweet rolls and coffee. In your wildest healthiest dreams what would you like to see offered?
I ask because at my job I want to offer more healthy alternatives. For breakfast meetings I usually put out coffee, a selection of teas [black and herbal], a sweet roll of some kind, mini bagels w/ a cream cheese spread, grapes, apple slices, cheddar slices and triscuits. Any other ideas?

02-03-2005, 07:11 PM
Well, E, I was just thinking of that. Tonight I'll be packing apples and cheese slices (not low fat). Ditto tomorrow, but also some of the mini whole wheat pita's topped with fat free cream cheese and chives.

For morning meetings, my ideas aren't much different from yours 100-percent whole wheat bagels and fat free cream cheese, along with fruit and cheddar.

Instead of sweet rolls could someone bake a sugar free apricot tea bread (apricots are amazingly low glycemic), using a scratch recipe but tweaking ... e.g., whole wheat flour mixed with oat flour (you can make oat flour by whirring oatmeal in a blender), Egg Beaters? Dunno.

What about some crunchy mini shredded wheat cereal and little cartons of skim milk?

Or an omelette bar, including vege and all-fruit spreads (for sweet omelets).

Hmmm. String cheese with grape tomatoes and sweet red pepper flakes (a favorite of mine).

Hummus with whole wheat pita? I don't know how to spell this.

Anyway, I'm getting hungry, so ...

More irritating sugary messages: I happen to be a fan of the Arthur cartoon series on PBS (don't laugh, I know it's for kids but I'm often home in the daytime and it's cute). BUT who do you think is one of the sponsors for this really creative and wholesome educational children's program? Ok, I'll tell ya: It's a manufacturer of "60-minute" sweet rolls ... there's even a commercial spot telling kids how there are 60 seconds in a minute and showing a cartoon of a sweet roll with the sound of a microwave timer and a voice over saying how great it is to learn something in just 60 seconds.


02-03-2005, 07:19 PM
A sweet potato bar? These are extremely low glycemic ... you could precook some and put out toppings and a microwave and let people heat and top their own.

Mushroom pate on whole wheat toast triangles. Cheese dip with toasted whole wheat toast triangles.

Homemade nut butters with rye crackers.

Deviled eggs, only made with whirred cottage cheese instead of mayo.

Just plain hard boiled eggs.

Some of the zero cal fruit flavored water bottle products (ok reaching now, bye-bye).

02-03-2005, 08:50 PM
Thanks for all the great ideas, A!!! My set-up at work doesn't allow for anything like an omelette bar, for the breakfast meetings I just put it all out on a table, so it'd have to be a pick-up kinda thing. Love the idea of humuus as a bagel topper choice; I'll do that for sure! I must say I feel guilty sometime putting out sugar for the public, but they'd revolt if I didn't. Maybe little by little....

Speaking of ideas--here's some things I pack in case of whatever:

*my beloved string cheese or cheddar sticks
* apples, clementines, etc.
* dried fruit
*triscuits or rye crackers
*vegetarian jerky [look for one without sugar]
* a can of Progresso lentil soup
*tortilla chips and a can of bean dip {I love this one!}
* veggie sticks
* a little ziploc w/ nuts
*nut butters
*hard-boiled eggs
* a choc. whey protein shake
* tea bags
* and of course an acceptable sweet!

02-04-2005, 07:39 AM
I feel loggy this morning....2 slices of bread and peanut butter waylaid me last night and beat me up around 8:30. I'm not used to eating that late and boy now I remember why. There was likely sugar in the peanut butter too...although I am only cruising against the sugars that are blatantly obvious. If I have to tax my brain this isn't going to work. There isn't enough of it to go around as it is! :s:

However, I'm still motorin' twenty something...again no brain. No cookies, candies (which are sitting right on the kitchen table for the family), chocolates, desserts of any kind, white bread, or white starches...except a small potato once in a while.

So, I'm off with fresh resolve of no food after 7...I don't like the next morning...and to blow my nose!

Ceara :wave:

02-04-2005, 10:07 AM
Good morning! This morning I had a whole grain frozen waffle with breakfast. It has evaporated cane juice in it, which I guess is sugar (it is, isn't it?), but it was way down on the ingredients list. Since I'm only eliminating sweets, I don't count this as violating my abstinance. But I do have a probelm--I weighed myself this morning (not my regular weigh day yet) and I gained 2 pounds! I'm wondering if I'm not doing enough to change my eating habits. Could y'all please share your eating plans? Thanks!

02-04-2005, 11:21 AM
Yowza, everyone's up, bright-eyed 'n bushy tailed (whatever that means) today. I'm off to gym (yuck) and one of the newsrooms in the mountains today. This is my day 20 ... I started a journal in the land far far away for the sole purpose of just counting off the days of no refined sugar, no white flour!

E, I pm'd thee a recipe from Sugar Busters. Don't feel right about posting copyrighted material but when I do my alternative version, I will post that.

Gypsy, the evaporated cane juice is turbinado sugar and I believe it's considered a natural sugar, so IMO (not that you requested it, but that never stops me :lol: ), you made a choice that's at least not refined sugar. Dinna worra thyself about two pounds (not even your weigh day, so doesn't count ... weight fluctuates over a week), it'll come right off.

I'm pretty sure I've gained some back, too. Don't care, feel good with my sugarless state.

My eating plan is loosely what's in the Sugar Busters books, but I do what I please and don't really agree with everything in the books and so tweak things, especially in regard to meal timing, as my schedule is not conventional. I just use it because I like the information in it, but a lot of dieticians seem opposed to it. I don't know why. Maybe they want me to go back to insane cupcake cravings and blood sugar that's through the roof. I've been told this is similar to the South Beach Diet except there's no induction period. I don't see this myself, as I see the South Beach as more a low carb plan and I'm not opposed to carbs. Just trying to eat the good carbs. When I started my "day counting," I was actually doing Sugar Busters without knowing about Sugar Busters. It's just a low glycemic way of eating. The book gives guidelines about what foods to avoid in order to keep blood sugar and insulin levels stable and the authors feel this is key to weight loss. They also give general lifestyle advice for healthy habits ... exercise and general eating to lose weight. They say it's not necessary to count calories and I do find I control mine quite easily now that, duh, I'm not eating cupcakes, candy, dulce de leche, Krispy Kreme, etc. :devil: However, I do choose to count cals just for fun.

Guess I should say that I don't really personally endorse any particular diet or plan, especially popular or faddish ones. Again, I just like the books as a guide to what I'm trying to do for my particular bod (mainly avoid death).

Re the glycemic index, as I guess everyone knows so you might be asking, "Why is she saying this?", is controversial. There are lots of different views on it and on whether it's useful in weight loss. The American Diabetes Society has come out with a statement to the general effect that they don't think it's useful for diabetics.

But as my bro, who is a diabetic and a fanatic supporter of the low GI way o' life, says, "It seems to work."

I don't know. My bottom line is just the mantra: 'NO REFINED SUGAR, NO WHITE FLOUR!'

Sword Bearer: CONGRATULATIONS ON DAY TWENTY-SOMETHING!!!! WTG! :cheer: Have a banana :cb: ... an unripe one, please (ripe bananas are very high GI).

Sorry to be so windy and pontificatious, it's how I am!!!! :)

02-04-2005, 12:47 PM
Gypsy, don't freak out over the 2 pounds---could be anything. The body's funny like that. :dizzy:

The plan that I'm on [with a bit of tweakage :o ] is Radiant Recovery. You can check it out at It's a good site with lots of info on the biochemical effects of sugar and why some of us are more sensitive than others.
I find that sort of thing so fascinating these days! Oh, and I'm a big believer in keeping a food journal.

I try to eat a mostly whole foods diet. I seem to get in less trouble that way! :D

I'm having some guests over tonight and will be serving snacks. I'm going to make the food all program-friendly; can't wait to see how it goes over. No guts no glory, right?

02-04-2005, 10:55 PM
Hmmm, ok here's my sweet potato recipe. Actually I hate sweet potatoes (unless baked by my mom, who is deceased so can't do it, with tons of brown sugar, butter and cloves), but on my plan, white ones are forbidden. Anyhow, I micro'ed a sweet potato (if watching weight ... and who isn't these days ... be sure to get sweet potatoes and not yams, which are still nutritious and moderate GI but are higher in cals). Sweet potatoes are lighter in color and a different shape than yams ... unless you live elsewhere than the U.S., where the two terms sometimes have different meanings ... but since I live in AZ, this is my understanding ... anyhow ... I took the cooked thing (very fibrous and I just don't like 'em), peeled and then pureed in Magic Bullet with some unsweetened soymilk and Splenda and mixed with oatmeal (not instant or quick cooking) and I made these into kind of bars (four of 'em) and baked at 400 for 11 minutes, thinking I might get energy bars of some kind ... actually, what I got was a kind of sweet baked potato puff or souffle ... 130 cals, Sugar Busters friendly. I ate one with a salmon fillet and froze the rest for side dishes.

Tomorrow I will buy an ice cream maker and try to make low glycemic, truly sugar free ice cream.

Have decided not to work at the payin' stuff until Monday.

02-06-2005, 03:41 AM
Had a dream about sandwich cookies ... lemon ones and vanilla ones and woke up with a craving to go get some.

Needless to say I did not.

Did everyone go away? :(

Come out 'n play?

02-06-2005, 09:16 AM
Thanks for the sweet potato recipes, Empress! I'm going to have sweet potato/pecan waffles or pancakes this morning with apples and a little maple syrup, I think. The last sweet pots I bought were extraordinarily sweet---I wonder if its because I'm not eating sugar.

Am feeling a little rebellious diet-wise. Could be because of the time of month. What I'm saying is if I'm going to slip it's going to be now.

But I'm not going to slip, never fear! ;)

DAY 141!!!!! :angel:

02-06-2005, 01:07 PM
Yea, E, everything tastes sweeter to me now that I'm not eating the sugar. I just ordered two more Sugar Busters cookbooks that I should get this week. Will share any riveting recipes ... really needing variety, though I no longer want lemon sandwich cookies. :)

Lost .6 of a pound ... I call it a pound ... this is extraordinary for me to go down three one week and a little more the next ... generally I'd be up again. I know I'm on the right "diet" ... sorry if the word offends anyone here as it seems to in other places sometimes! :lol: (Not meaning this as a negative statement, just in fun ... I am cranky as I need to go write out bills ... I do this in the car in conjunction with shopping but I am somewhat "loggy" today as well).

02-06-2005, 01:29 PM
Congrats on the release of another pound, Amarantha! :cheer: You're definitely on the right track...keep going!

I found myself on a macrobiotic website today looking for acceptable chocolate recipes today. Oh yeah, I'm menstrual, what can I say? :^: Found a recipe for rice syrup sweetened brownies and one for chocolate dipped biscotti. [I miss biscotti, so was very happy to find this one!]
However, I'm feeling cranky today too and probably won't be doing much baking today. More of a getting out my pillow and blankie and laying on the couch all day watching TV---some days you just have to do it! ;)

I was on another forum today and someone posted about the fact that every February you see alot of articles and blurbs about the health benefits of chocolate. I can't say that I've really noticed that, but I'll be looking. Interesting food for thought.....

A few years back, Prevention mag was touting the benefits of dark chocolate and they said that Dove Promises [the dark chocolate] was the way to go. If you just have 2 'promises' you'd get the antioxident benefits, etc. I bought into that and resolved that I'd have my 'medicinal' chokky every day. HAH! Before I knew it I was having 10-20 promises every day. I must've been overflowing with antioxidents! :lol: :lol: :lol: I just couldn't handle it!!!

02-06-2005, 09:55 PM
Thanks for the congrats, E!!!! I should be feelin' more cheerful but am still really blah ... went back to the depression and lemon sandwich cookie fixation whilst shoppin' ... WHAT'S UP WITH THE LEMON SANDWICH COOKIES? I'VE RARELY EVER HAD A LEMON SANDWICH COOKIE? AND WHY THE HECK WERE THEY STACKED LIKE MAHJONG TILES ... well, ok, I like to play mahjong solitaire, but ...???

Anyhow, I did not cave :dizzy: but DID have a piece of malitol sweetened candy ... totally "legal" on Sugar Busters, meaning it had only 10 grams of a sugar alcohol per serving and was otherwise sugar free and also had no corn syrup (can't have corn products on SB) ... it took FOREVER to find this ... anyhow, the candy just had cream, cocoa, pecans and the malitol. It was WAY sweet ... I didn't finish it. So much for legal candy.

I drove around shoppin' 'n suchlike and was really blue ... yea, E, I've noticed all the "chocolate is healthy" articles lately, too! :coffee:

Hmmm, chocolate may be healthy, but what about all that sugar? :)

In a popular women's mag that I have a secret weakness for, I saw advice that if you want to get over chocolate cravings, eat MORE of it because a British study found that people who ate more chocolate over time found the taste less and less pleasant and so ate LESS of it than people who ate LESS of it.


On to my Day 23!!!!

Let's get going and get this zip, boom 'n bah no sugar mojo thread hoppin' with enthusiastic sugar free participants this week, 'kay? WHADDA YA SAY!!!!????


02-06-2005, 09:59 PM
Well, forgot the rest o' me story ... driving and feelin' like caving on the sugar/flour thing altogether and feelin' distinctly alone and unloved (especially after the malitol fiasco), decided NOT to cave but to find a way to feel Valentiny without lemon sandwich cookies (whatever those represent to me) ... so bought a red Valentine's teddy bear and have been carrying it around ... Old Dog will probably tear it up soon, but for now, it's keepin' me from the SD (SUGAR DEMON) :devil:

02-07-2005, 01:47 PM
I think that we're psychic sisters, Amarantha. I too am feeling some sort of vague restlessness with my program, am tired of all the dairy and eggs I'm eating to meet my protein quota, and wondering if it's right for me. And I admit it, today I'm craving sugar! BUT I will not go back to that madness. I've been there and it wasn't pretty--no matter what I ever told myself.

Sooo, I need a different plan---not a different plan, but I need to redo my current plan. Will be working on that today.

I'm with you, A---I need more energy this week. Let's see what we can conjure up!!! :)

02-07-2005, 09:37 PM
Well, I'm still doin' the paying writin' but stopped to see how the sugar-free folkettes are doin' and yea, :queen: E, I do think we're psychic ... and sugarless ... sisters! :lol: I was going to report over on the St. Val's challenge that this was NOT a low cal day, BUT here's the kicker, I'm still on the program (my version of Sugar Busters, which tells me not to keep going back for more food, but that's not an option because, yes, I need an energy boost to write two more stories by midnight).

BUT, the good part is that I'm eating grapes, peanut butter (sugar free natural, of course), and skim milk ... NOT donuts, cupcakes, et al. I am also getting sick of the eggs ... I've had a lot, too, :queen: E. I never meant to go low carb, but there's not all that much interesting to eat around here. Milk I will never tire of, I just love it AND although I've had too much of it today to be a weight loss day, I do feel that just that I can now drink it happily without any Splenda or sweeteners OR without buying dulce de leche and having it make me sick, is a bonus.

I believe that may be the answer for you, too, :queen: E ... maybe you just need to overeat on something that has natural sugar (or "legal" in Sugar Busters) and let your body move to satiety. I feel quite a bit better since I did this and the cravings are history again. The natural sugar in the milk and grapes seems to have kicked in but my blood sugar seems stable.

Of course, I don't know if I'll overeat again tomorrow, which could start to be a problem in itself.

Ok, back to the payin' writing. I'll be done in an hour and I suspect I won't have a desire to eat anything else. Later ...

02-07-2005, 09:42 PM
AND NO, THERE'S NO GOIN' BACK TO THE SUGAR, E!!!!! No way, no how! I will never go back and I know you won't either!

There likely are many folks who can do what, as you know, I aspired to do: control weight, stay healthy, control blood sugar, mood swings and cravings, etc., etc., and still have sugary treats.

For the rest of us, let's just say no! :)

02-08-2005, 01:58 AM
[b]Ah, I'm postin' two in a row here, Sugar Free Folkettes! :) How be everyone?

Actually, I wanted to tell E and everyone assuming they are interested that someone posted something in my journal on agave nectar that might be promising as a sweetener ... I'm too tired to write about it now, but you might look at it over there if you're up before me, as I assume you will be because I'm going to sleep for a long time and eat a good breakfast in bed.

I don't think I'll ever choose to use agave nectar as I want to avoid all sugar as much as possible ... it's not totally possible, but I can try, with the exception of those found naturally in foods ... except the aforementioned corn, corn products, pineapple, raisins, etc. ... :)

02-08-2005, 09:34 AM
Hi, sugarfree sisters! Sorry I've been away! I don't usually have the opportunity to get online on weekends, but I'm still sugarfree! It's eerie--I'm also dissatisfied with my plan, and haven't been following my three meals a day, no snacks rule (but chips and dip are not my "drug," so I'm feeling OK as long as I'm sugarfree). My sister brought over some chocolate chip bagels this weekend, and I really struggled to resist. But I did :cp: Maybe it's something astrological? I did read in my Mom's SBD book that if you eat fruit, you should not eat it at breakfast because it intensifies that day's cravings. I had been trying to eat fruit with breakfast everyday last week, so maybe that had something to do with my struggles. Today I skipped the fruit and will try eating it at lunch.

Amarantha, how funny that your dreaming about sandwich cookies (like if you were going to indulge, they would be your choice! Not bloody likely!). Did you eat them in your dream? If so, I think that's a stress dream (like the ones where you show up on exam day and realize you forgot to attend the class all semester). I remember when I was pregnant I'd have dreams that I'd forgotten I was pregnant and drank some wine. Total stress!

Eydie, let me know how you reconfigure your plan. I'm thinking of doing a modified SBD. But for now, no more chips and dip!!!

Today is paczki day here in Detroit. Give me strength!

02-08-2005, 10:59 AM
Hey, Gypsy, mayhap we are sisters too as I've often dreamt of taking exams where I haven't been to class all semester ... oh, no, wait, that was my whole college career!!! :lol:

No, didn't eat the sandwich cookies in the dream. They were just stacked up like mahjong tiles.

CONGRATULATIONS ON STAYING SF!!!!! :cheer: I'm also having trouble with meal patterning but don't consider it as important as staying SF!!!!

Re fruit, Sugar Busters says it's a good idea to eat it alone because it's digested in a different part of the body than other stuff (my interpretation of the long-winded explanation) ... I don't pay much attention to that. It seems faddish to me, but I know I'm cutting back on the fruit a bit this week ... it doesn't cause me to have any cravings but it's hard to go from a diet of cupcakes as a main course to eating whole fruit and digestion is an issue. Grapes and pears seem to be the easiest thing for me to eat.

What is a paczki? I lived in Detroit once, don't remember that. It sounds like something containing TDS (THE DEMON SUGAR) :devil: !!! :lol:

Let's all stay strong!!! It's a TDS jungle out there.

I'm on Day 24, no refined sugar, no white flour. How is everyone else doing?

02-08-2005, 11:09 AM
Hey, I'm looking forward to your 200th day when ya get there, :queen: E, as I KNOW you will. Keep a'goin' ... it really is worth it to be sugar free (wheeeeeeee), dinna ye think?

Here's what I'm thinkin' ... if my plan (a modified and tweaked version of Sugar Busters) stops serving me, I'm STILL gonna be refined sugar/white flour free, so it's no big thing if I switch "plans" ... right now I'm in a fantasy mode again ...

Seems that somehow an alien force o' ESDs (Evil Sugar Demons) :devil: has taken over the familiar LETICH (Lovely Earth That I Call Home). I have joined the SFPUASDs (Sugar Free Pals United Against Sugar Demons) and pledged to fight those :devil: s with the last ounce of strength left in my now mostly sugar free teeny brain.

And so it goes. :wave:

02-08-2005, 11:52 AM
Amarantha, your posts always make me laugh! Paczki IS laden with the demon sugar :devil: ! It's the Fat Tuesday Polish donut-type thing with fruit or custard. I think I'm on day 39 without sweets (I'm bad at math :( ). Honestly, isn't it easy after awhile? I mean, I have situational desires for sugar (sister bringing chocolate chip bagels, for example) because it's there. But I don't sit here overcome with cravings for sweets out of the blue. What freedom!

Tomorrow's Lent, and although I'm a fallen Catholic, I'm thinking of giving up diet pop for Lent. I'm down at the little store buying pop several times during the workday, and it's expensive. So I'm switching to tea. I bought myself some yummy-sounding honey vanilla tea (no calories, no sugars, so I'm guessing it counts as sugar free). I've relied a lot on Diet Vanilla Pepsi/Coke to satisfy my sweet tooth--I'm hoping the tea will work as well.

Amarantha, could you share why you decided to give up white flour? Just curious. Thanks!

02-08-2005, 04:42 PM
A, I'm looking forward to day 200 too! ;) I'm on Day 143 now and it floors me that I've been able to stay away from sugar this long. But when I think about it, I've had a sugar orgy for 41 years [my whole life] so I was due for a break.

Gypsy, strange that you're having the same feelings of restlessness too. Hmmmm. We're all cosmically connected! :wizard:

I think that the main cause of my unease is pure stinkin' boredom. I'm bored with my food and I'm longing to go macrobiotic. Have been looking over my macro cookbooks and the simplicity of it all sounds really appealing right now.
But I'm NOT giving up my morning coffee for twig tea! :coffee:

About eating fruit--if I make a meal of fruit, it makes me soooo hungry. I've tried it enough to know that's how it goes for me. I love the idea of a big beautiful plate of luscious fruit by itself but I turn into one cranky puppy! :mad:

Want to hear something silly? I'm feeling guilty about wanting to change my food plan. I've gotten so much from Radiant Recovery, more than I can say, but something feels 'off' to me right now. It feels like too much protein and since I'm vegetarian I'm getting a lot of that protein from cheese and eggs and it feels like too much and my food seems so rich and heavy. I'm craving salads and plain rice and beans!!! I feel like a traitor! I know it's crazy, but it's what I'm feeling. I've been so good about following the plan to the letter and I actually think that part has been good for me; to give up control and follow a plan for awhile, and now I feel like if I keep following ALL the rules and regs of this plan I'll lose it and the backlash could be ugly.

So once again, Amarantha, we're kinda doing the same thing. Doing a plan, but putting our own spin on it, and absolutely no sugar or white flour! :)

02-08-2005, 05:35 PM
Hi everybody,

I found this threath following you Eydie, I found one of your postings about how much you power walk on the treadmill. We do pretty much the same I also walk at 4.5 and run in commercials for 45 mins. :lol: I am also 41.

Anyway, I would like to know more about the 200 days and what it means. I am not taking sugar either, but I sometimes use Splenda approved in the South Beach Diet that the doc recommended + Metformin to help me lose the 40 lbs I am not able to lose only with the excercise I do. I am pretty active, try to do Power Yoga in heat at least twice a week, treadmill 4 days a week at least and going up and down the stairs at home everyday.

Drop me a line.


02-08-2005, 07:28 PM
Welcome, Danicomia! The "200" thing comes from us counting the number of days we've been off sugar. I'm only at Day 143, but look forward to hitting the next milestone of 200 days. Ah, the little games we play with ourselves!

I noticed you're new at 3FC--what do you think of the site? I love the forum--I get so much out of it everyday!

02-08-2005, 09:49 PM
Welcome, Danicomia! The "200" thing comes from us counting the number of days we've been off sugar. I'm only at Day 143, but look forward to hitting the next milestone of 200 days. Ah, the little games we play with ourselves!

I noticed you're new at 3FC--what do you think of the site? I love the forum--I get so much out of it everyday!


I found this site surfing for pics in Google. :dizzy:
I like the forums, although I am now getting a hand on coming back to the ones I have read from and I am most interested in.
I am also not eating sugar. Per my doc I need to stay away from the whites and I am giving up chocolate and desserts for Lent, so starting tomorrow I am not eating anything that has sugar in it, I may have those sugarless instant puddings though. :lol:
I have been kind of following the SB Diet for a month already. Tonight my Hubby made a pizza on a tortilla that came out great! We are trying to stick from eating whites, although with small children is so difficult if they are always asking for icecream, etc.

02-08-2005, 10:53 PM
Hello all!

Don't know for sure how many days I've been sugar free ( this time! :)! )
might be about 14 but just because it doesnt matter too much to me, I too will will just say Feb 1 so its easier to keep track. For a few reasons.

Coworker brought leftovers from SuperBowl party in. Left a big Help Yourself sign on double layer choc cakes .... I had to keep my head averted... even at 4:30 pm they made my mouth water.....

But I knew what would happen if I had one slice-- and since its been about 2 weeks, I was able to resist....

Nice to have this thread here Empress....

And nice to meet some new friends too...

Its late so I will say goodnight.

02-09-2005, 09:18 AM
Welcome Kaylets and Maria-Paz! It's great to have you join us. How is everyone this morning? Today is my first day without diet soda. I was drinking way too much. I'll be drinking tea instead, along with my many cups of coffee I have everyday (unfortunate consequence of having a one-year old!). I'm also starting the South Beach Diet today. I can't do Phase I because I'm still breastfeeding, and I realized I was almost doing Phase II already, so I thought "why not try it?" Since I'm already sugarfree (today is Day 40!), I'm thinking it won't be very hard.

I read somewhere that it takes 21 days to start a new habit, and 90 days for that habit to be ingrained. So I'm almost half way there!

How is everyone doing? Do we need to think of strategies to deal with Valentine's Day? My son's 1st b-day is also this weekend. When I began my sugar abstinence, I was planned to allow myself a dessert on Valentine's Day and a piece of cake with ice cream on my son's birthday, but now I'm thinking this is not a good idea for me. So I'm going to get a cake with a lot of fruit on it (I don't like fruit at all) for him. It's probably a better choice for him healthwise, and I won't be tempted. The ice cream will be harder. My sister is such a sabateur. I'm sure she'll be buy one of my favorites. :mad:

02-09-2005, 02:16 PM
GypsyDancer, About Valentine's Day strategies: it just occured to me that my dear father gets me something for Valentine's Day every year, always something small and I've always just opened it and eaten every piece right there on the spot! Yep, no control whatsoever! :dizzy: This year I'll give it to a co-worker for her kids or it'll go in the trash if it starts singing to me. The gesture from my dad is where the real sweetness is anyway! ;)

Congrats on 40 days of being sugar-free!

02-09-2005, 08:53 PM
Hi, all!!!!! And welcome to Danicomia!!!!! :wave: I use some Splenda, too, but am slowly getting away from that, too, oddly enough. Don't seem to need it much anymore. Glad you are here!

E, IMO (not that you asked, but does that ever stop me?) DON'T feel guilty for being ready to move on program-wise. As said in another forum, we need to pick and choose to do what's right for ourselves. I'm not vege anymore but I hear ya ... I'm a bit proteined out and need to get better at trying new grains 'n such. Oddly, the fruit doesn't make me hungrier ... it would if I ate :cb: s, though. But I'm not eating huge amounts of it ... it just tastes so much better now that I'm not eating the Krispy, etal.

Gypsy: :lol: I actually saw paczkis in the store today and thought of you ... I didn't know there was custard in them. I felt good that I didn't have the desire (as once I would have) to buy them and try a few as an experiment. :) I think what you said about "situational desires" is very apt, though. I'm having these, too, here and there, but as I move away from that sugar-laden lifestyle, it doesn't seem to have the force it once had.

Kaylets, congratulations on the days you are racking up without sugar!!! :cheer: And on the victory over the cake.

I'm not sure if I posted this here or in my journal or nowhere, but that feeling you had of just one slice would be the slippery slope came over me last Friday when I interviewed a wonderful elderly lady who comes from a culture of hospitality (reminds me I haven't done the story yet ... took a day off) ... anyhow, I digress ... the lady was so nice and she apologized because she had planned to bake a cake for my visit ... pineapple upside down cake ... you can't eat pineapple on Sugar Busters, let alone the other stuff that'd be in there including the :devil: himself (aka SUGAR). I found myself explaining that I didn't eat sugar and wouldn't have been able to eat it and that would have made me feel bad so I was glad she hadn't had time to bake it ... this solidified something in my resolve ... kind of like when I did not eat meat for 10 years ... I had decided that was right for me and even when it put me in conflict with others (it often did, with relatives) or when it hurt someone's feelings, I knew that what I chose to put inside my body was ONLY ABOUT ME and that if I had a strong belief in what I was doing, I had to hold to that ... at whatever cost ...

I had a Valentine's moment today ... had YET another conflict over my crime last week of turning on the fan in the gym and another conflict over career (I don't like it :) ) ... went to Target and walked around aimlessly around lunchtime ... ROWS AND ROWS AND ROWS OF SUGAR AND SATURATED FAT DONE UP IN RED, WHITE AND PINK HEARTS ... reminding me (situational desire) of how my dad always gave me a heart-shaped box of candy on Valentine's Day. Made me sad (being sugar free tends to make me a bit depressed at times, I've noticed, but so be it ...) ... realized blood sugar was dropping and I needed FOOD. Briefly considered candy, but realized the store also had some grocery items, so bought a little pack of cheese and a little pack of tuna (MORE protein, E! but that was the only viable option) ... ate half of these in the car and a few bites of the apple I had in my purse.

Felt very pleased with the choice! :cool: ...

Not sure if I posted this before, but last week I bought a red Valentine's teddy bear for similar reasons ... e.g., felt sad, felt unloved in Valentine season ...

Guess what I'm trying to say is that maybe a good way to handle the Valentine stuff is just to shift the focus a little ... find what it is that we seek from Valentine's Day (love, acceptance, freedom from being sad?) and acquire the necessary symbol of that rather than feed it with sugar.

Anyhooooo, I'm going to spend my night off playing mahjong and reading. Bye.

02-10-2005, 01:36 AM
Well another day without sugar, or at least that is what I think. I would like you to tell me what you all consider sugar, just the plain ol white stuff or anything else that it says sugar in the contents. I am a little confused because I also see corn syrup, etc. I felt very proud of myself tonight when my daughter was seated with me and trying to feed me a pink juicy gummy, I look at the content of it and it says of course corn syrup, sugar.... OH NO, not allowed.... so No more gummies for me.... But again, I may be eating stuff that it is considered sugar and I don't know. Any info greatly appreciated. Nighty night.....

02-10-2005, 08:18 AM
Hi all! :wave:

I just have a minute, but I've GOT to sign on here -- Day 1 of the no-sugar, no white stuff/junk food challenge. For me, this also includes a commitment to eating only at the table when alone, drinking lots of water, and exercising every day.

02-10-2005, 01:14 PM
WELCOME Arabella!!!! :wave: It is so fun to see ya here, Wood Nymph!!!! CONGRATULATIONS on Day 1!!!! :cheer:

Danicomia, I just noticed that you are from my hometime! I grew up in Littleton!!! I'll bet it's grown a lot since then. :wave:

My personal answer to your "what do you consider sugar" question is that I totally agree how confusing it is, so I think we all have to work it out for ourselves. I started out just thinking to banish "refined sugar" and white flour products and that's still my bottom line, but basically I'm trying to get as sugar free as possible right now and control blood sugar, so I'm using the Sugar Busters books as my guidelines ... and just that, they're a guideline; I make my own decisions and set my own criteria, always, and I'm even stricter than Sugar Busters (I do plan to ease up a bit after awhile). So I'm choosing to (this is from Sugar Busters): "... virtually eliminate white potatoes, white rice, bread from highly refined flour, corn products, beets, and of course all refined sugars, such as sucrose (table sugar), corn syrup, molasses, and honey. Also sugared soft drinks and beer are not allowed ..." some other sweeteners like glucose, dextrose and maltose, I also avoid. I'm also following the Sugar Busters criteria of being careful with sugar alcohols (such as malitol, especially, that are in low carb and sugar-free products) and limiting them to foods with 10 grams or less per serving. I'm using Splenda, which IS created from sugar, actually, but isn't digested and I am eating fruits except for those that Sugar Busters bans (ripe bananas, pineapple) and milk ... not the low carb versions created by marketing people ... my low carb friends say I shouldn't be drinking the milk because it has carbs ... I know ... it has lactose, a NATURAL sugar and fruit has fructose, a NATURAL sugar ... there's also a lot of controversy about fructose ... it's thought of as low glycemic, but in some circumstances it isn't ... anyhow, again SB's is my guide and it says it's great to drink the milk and eat the fruit (except the aforementioned) and this follows my personal desire as well. I like the milk and fruit! It is better than all the cupcakes, candy and dulce de leche I used to eat, not to mentioned the Slimfast that contained sugar, even after they revamped it to be 50 percent less.

Some products (like bread, which SB says to eat in small amounts if it follows the guidelines) unavoidably contain sugar in some form or other (even when labeled sugar-free) ... so it's ok dokey to eat these ... :)

:yikes: That's probably more than you wanted to know about my plan. I'm know for my lengthiness. Looking forward to other posters take on this! Have a great day!

02-10-2005, 05:30 PM
Hmmm. I made granola! Took the huge slow cooking porridge oats, sprinkled a little Splenda and sprayed with water and butter spray, baked slowly in oven. Could use a bit of tweaking, but the recipe has promise.

02-10-2005, 08:37 PM
Well, for what I read I am going to go into crazy label reading world if I get into the completely sugarless one. Besides the language problem, translation wise, I would have to read/understand what every little word means. So, I am going to cut myself a little slack here and leave at least the labeled corn syrup in some of my foods. I am not touching sugar, rice, pasta, bread, procesed food, etc. For what I am getting after reading my little food diary, I have been consuming about 800 cals lately. I am also terrified of the oatmeal packages. Do you know if there is any of those that has no sugar or at least acceptable sugar? I have not touched my Multi Grain Cereal that I love because it says it have sugar on them.....

02-11-2005, 09:15 AM
Danicomia, I think that all of us are finding our own way with the no-sugar plan. As for me, I'm avoiding sugar, including brown sugar, turbinado sugar, organic sugar, evaporated cane juice, and molasses. There are some products that I use [soy "meats"] where dextrose is way down on the list of ingredients, and I'm not going to worry about that at this point.
For sweeteners I'm using maple syrup, rice syrup, barley malt, agave nectar, fruit concentrates, and a bit of honey. All the more 'natural" sweeteners, but I'm monitoring my reactions to them too. If anything gives me that "more, more!" feeling then I know it's a trigger food and have to back off. I know that even those natural sweeteners are still sugars and I can't overdo them.
And like Amarantha, I'm avoiding all white flours and have been fun experimnting with other flours. For example, oat flour gives a nice soft texture, brown rice flour gives things a pleasant crumbly texture with a nice crunch, and whole wheat PASTRY flour makes a world of difference when youre baking cookies or muffins, but isn't good for yeast breads.

ARABELLA! I'm thrilled that you're here! :D

02-11-2005, 11:01 AM
And made it through Day 1! Not only that, but I was sitting here working away, and feeling like I could use a little something evil, thought that was a definite possibility. And -- having come in here and committed myself saved me! I thought "OH yeah! I'm not doing that any more." Soon, it will feel like freedom! I'm going to find some non-food way to treat myself today. Day 2 coming up... Let's make this a good one!

02-11-2005, 04:05 PM
[/b]Congrats on Day 2, Wood Nymph!!!! :wave:

E, how are you finding the agave nectar? Does it hold up well under cooking?

Danicomia, IMO you have a fantastic handle on this and like E says, it's all just us as individuals findin' our way. :)

I'm on Day 27 ... having a terrible time focusing on the payin' work and having thoughts of cupcakes or donuts to get me over the hump, but not goin' there! :) Will catch up on work this weekend.

Instead I went to gym and did tai chi and weights and went shoppin' for more healthy food. I've been relying on a few staples but they are gettin' me down and also are harder for me to digest than, say, cupcakes. Found some whole wheat coucous and intend to try this with chicken tonight. I found chicken breasts in individual two packs all ready for cooking and they HAVE NO ADDITIVES (often they put dextrose in prepackaged chicken) ... I will cook them with mushrooms. Only hope I can work up the energy.[/b]

02-11-2005, 06:26 PM
Arabella, one thing that I did when I first stopped eating sugar is I finally tried out a lot of those fancy cheeses I'd always wanted to try! I was a bit disturbed at first that I was trading fat for sugar, but I found that I didn't overeat the cheese, and it was so satisfying! So I had a fun treat and it wasn't sugar!

Amarantha, I use the agave mostly for drizzling onto toast or fruit instead of baking, becasue it's pretty expensive.

I made some sublime stuffed dates today--I'll post the recipe later. They're really easy too!

02-11-2005, 10:20 PM
Hi, guys! :wave: Wanted to add to E's comment about at first trading fat for sugar: I felt like that, too, as I've added a lot of nuts (recommended as dessert by Sugar Busters). It's great freedom to eat these as I've been brought up to believe they are "bad" for you. They aren't. This week I've been buying two ounce servings of the fresh almond butter at the health food store near the gym and having that with milk for a midmorning meal. Beats any cupcake I ever had!

Have been experiencing digestive problems, though, since eating more healthfully, so am investigating more suitable choices and watching meal spacing.

Gave up some of the apples for unsweetened applesauce, which is REALLY boring but "legal" ... sigh.

The chicken was good and bland ... I baked it in foil with mushrooms.

On to Day 28 for me!


No matter the problems, I will never revert!

02-11-2005, 10:23 PM
Er, sorry, forgot my recipe for "ice cream" ... whirred frozen cherries in Magic Bullet for an instant healthy sorbet with no sugar added ... yes, cherries have fructose but are ok dokey on Sugar Busters. Cherries also are apotent anti-inflammatory and painkiller by the way. You can get the juice and use it like ibuprofen ... except juice is very high glycemic, but ...

I digress. :)

02-12-2005, 09:45 AM
1 lb. dates, pitted [preferably big fat medjools!]

1 cup walnuts
1 tbsp. tahini
1 tbsp. barley malt, or maple syrup
1 tbsp. miso

Put nuts, tahini, sweetener, and miso in food processor, blender, or whatever and grind together until nuts are very well chopped and everything holds together. Stuff this mixture into the dates and enjoy!

This recipe is worth trying--Ive been making these for years. Very good as a dessert after an Indian, Greek, or middle Eastern meal. They taste very exotic, and have that great sweet/salty taste that I love so much! :chef:

Amarantha, if you're avoiding raisins, you're very likely avoiding dates too. The date filling is very good on it's own too, maybe spread on ww pita and I'm sure easily whizzed up in the old Magic Bullet! ;)

02-12-2005, 10:04 AM
Hi! I was out of town for the last couple of days, so that's why I've been MIA. Welcome, Arabella! Danicomia, Eydie, and Amarantha, good to see you're doing well!

Amarantha, good for you for how you handled the Target temptation. Just a thought--could the fruit you're eating be contributing to your recent sugar cravings? I think I posted here that my sugar cravings came back when I started eating an apple or orange with breakfast. I've been eating one fruit with lunch on most days now, and that seems to work much better for me (no cravings!). And I only eat one a day-I guess I'm sensitive to fructose. I'm sorry to hear that you're having digestive problems.

Yesterday I had my Valentine's treat--two sugar free pecan clusters! Oh, they were SOOO good! I had digestive trouble all night then, and am not sure if it was from the sugar free candy or from the black bean soup I ate for dinner. Maybe a combination of both. In any event, I decided that sugar free chocolates should be a very rare treat. I think if something tastes too much like the "real thing," it's setting me up for trouble. However, I was satisfied with my two clusters (that's all I bought).

PLEASE wish me luck...we're celebrating my son's birthday tomorrow, and I plan not to eat cake or ice cream. I'll report back how I do on Monday.

02-12-2005, 12:07 PM
Hi, guys!!! And good to see ya back, Gypsy!!!

Re the fruit, I don't think it really contributes anything to my cravings, actually, it's the opposite :) ... I'm following the Sugar Busters advice to get all my sugars from milk, fruit and vege, which are healthy foods for me. But again re Sugar Busters, I don't eat beets (no problem there), white potatoes, ripe bananas, corn or corn products, or pineapple, as these likely would cause cravings (not to mention make me sick from insulin spikes).

So mayhap it's the type o' fruit that could be causing your cravings? Dunno. We are all different.

I know one thing that Sugar Busters mentions and that I've read in other popular "fad" diets is that it's best to eat fruit by itself, not with other food, as it's digested in the small intestine or something (????) ... I may try that.

Actually, sorry if I gave the impression I was having cravings. Other than a little for milk (which I've always craved because of the cold sensation at the back of the throat ... sorry if this is a gross description, but that's what makes me want it) I don't have cravings anymore. I haven't had cravings since the second day with no sugar or white flour.

But what I'm having is the "situational desires" previously discussed. I want to eat cupcakes, candy and dulce de leche because that's what made me happy before and got me through the work days that I no longer enjoy and that I don't expect ever to enjoy again.

I believe, contrary to some diets and not meaning to offend the propononents of those diets, that it is GOOD to eat fruit and vege unless, as Gypsy saith, one is particulary sensitive to something in it. I just need to get the balance right. I'm working on some easier to digest fruits and vege right now, though, such as unsweetened applesauce in lieu of whole apples, canned vege instead of fresh or frozen and taking enzymes to aid digestion. Later, I'll go back to more whole items.

BTW, unsweetened applesauce has got to be the most detestable substance on earth, but I am determined to get it in as I need the nutrition.

I'm going to try mixing it with whole wheat coucous. :)

02-12-2005, 12:09 PM
Sorry, don't know how to spell couscous. :)

Edited, added this later: E, thanks for the date recipe. I forgot to say that earlier. Funny, because I spent the afternoon reading "Sugar Blues" by William Duffy. It's an enjoyable book about the author's views on sugar. I don't agree with all of his facts, but his train of thought is revealing ... anyhow, he has some recipes ... actually descriptions of things to eat without sugar ... near the end of the book and tahini is mentioned a lot. I know how much almond butter has meant to me lately in furnishing something even more delicious than cupcakes, et all :devil: ... so I think I'm going to give tahini another look. It's been very revealing that I can now eat nuts without guilt ... I was raised to consider them unhealthy. Mmmmm, was very down and went out to health food store on an almond butter run ... just bought a little and ate it ... perfect.

I really like a quote that Duffy uses: "I'll buy a huge piece of meat, cook it up for dinner, and then right before it's done. I'll break down and have what I wanted for dinner in the first place~bread and jam ... all I ever really want is sugar. ~ Andy Warhol, New york Magazine, March 31, 1975


02-13-2005, 09:32 AM
Amarantha, I love "Sugar Blues"--I must read that again. I love the story at the front of his meeting with Gloria Swanson!

I also remember that quote from Andy Warhol. I always thought it was so poignant, but we've all been there, haven't we? :^:

Am, tahini is great stuff, but rememebr that it has a much different consistency than the other nut butters, not really spreadable at all.

I've been meaning to rant here about how difficult it is to find a salad dressing without sugar, or those creepy 'sugar-free' sweeteners. A couple of Newman's dressings pass the test, and a few at the natural food stores pass, but even there you really have to look close at the ingredients. My current favorite is Annie's Goddess Dressing. I've eaten it on salads, rice, pasta, it's really good. It's mostly tahini, garlic and lemon juice. Yum!
And once again I'm amazed at how different my attitude toward food is since giving up sugar. Before I would've been so concerned about the fat content of my salad dressings, and would've always selected a fat-free one, but now I'm more concerened that it be real food, know what I mean?

02-13-2005, 11:27 AM
Hello all!

How is everyone ??

Am really trying to do 15 minutes at a time this morning including meals, tea, water, etc especially since DH went to work for awhile-- Its easier when he isn't here to vaccuum, toss, etc uninterruppted...

So, I actually am ashamed to admit this but I got my heart pounding vacuuming the stairway... of course, I was lugging the upright vac up at the same time... another reminder that I need to do some real thinking about strength /fitness training....

but as for the sugar.....

The date recipe sounds decadent-- even scary-- hmmmmmmmmm-----

And the sorbet reminds me we DO have an icecream maker in the freezer and should use it!

Our grocery store is bursting w/ V Day's sugar stuff and there are big skids still wrapped in plastic w/ the E Bunny sugar stuff waiting....I have decided there is no reason to look in that direction... its like the baby food aisle... I don't need anything there so I don't go down that aisle...Of course, sugar is hiding in so many things that my baby food aisle analogy is not the perfect answer but it is a lightbulb moment for me... I sure wouldnt stand in front of the tobacco display anymore ... no matter what is being offered... same w/ gerbil, hamster, chinchilla food.... My point I guess is this...
I shared last week about "averting my eyes" to the choc cake a coworker brought to work.... I was embarrassed to admit it then... that somehow I was admitting weakness that I couldnt look at the cake... BUT now that I really think about it, my own good common sense was kicking in and saying " DON"T LOOK, You're better off if don't look".....

Instead, I'd rather be a martyr and all the glory that implies....
But... why do I need to put myself thru that??

So, if I don't look, and save all lot of stress energy for something really important....


Very glad this thread is here.

How is your Sunday going?

02-13-2005, 12:29 PM
Weight same but the bodyfat reading's down a bit ... don't know how accurate that is. Have lost weight every week on Sugar Busters until this week when I maintained instead of gained, all in all an unheard of feat for me for this length of time.


02-13-2005, 03:07 PM
On day four! :cb: Eydie, those dates sound wonderful! I often serve Indian or middle eastern food when I have company and it will be fantastic to be able to serve something that everyone will love and I'll be able to eat safely. I do find that dates give me a very satisfied feeling that I almost never got from sugar treats.

Amarantha, I'm inspired by your success! You sound so strong! How do you eat the almond butter? I've never actually had it... Going to try a variation on your granola recipe.

02-13-2005, 05:08 PM
Just dropped in to post a few more replies here.

E, I'm going to look for Annie's Goddess dressing.

I loved "Sugar Blues" also. It reads like a novel almost, also gave me some ideas about food I could prepare. Oddly, it made me nostalgic for my own old-time "sugar blue" days before the family cut me off when I was told I could eat it anymore (which I began to make up for with a vengence as an adult) ... I remember being very little and pouring sugar in a napkin, then sitting on the front porch and eating it ... nobody stopped me ... sheesh! And the taste of cold grape soda in the summertime, just as Duffy describes it when he's swiping nickels from his mom's purse to support his pop-a-day habit.

Guys, every Sunday when I sit here doing the paying writing (I'm done now but sitting here nevertheless), I'm interrupted by the sound of an ice cream truck. It plays tinkly and annoying tunes (LOUDLY when I'm trying to write) and has the sound of a woman's voice chuckling, "HEEEEELLLLLLLO!" I can hear the sound of the little neighborhood kids getting all excited as usually they seem to be given the wherewithal to go get ice cream.

Now ice cream is nice. I want buy an ice cream maker and make REALLY SUGARFREE (as opposed to the dextrose containing substance so labeled in the store). But it makes me wonder ... if refined, additive sugar is this insidious substance that's EVERYWHERE and if it's harmful, WHAT are we teaching our children when we let laugh and encourage them to go running after the ice cream truck. Do we really think there's anything HEALTHY in that truck? Wouldn't we be upset if it was the neighborhood drug peddler playing merry tunes and luring the kids in like a pied piper?

Anyhow, I digress. :)

Wood Nymph, when I'm traveling I just pack the almond butter in my big purse and eat at a rest stop with a picnic spoon. And I usually have a bottle of ff milk in a cooler or an apple to go with it. This week it'll be the unsweetened applesauce as I'm trying to calm down my digestion.

I ate too much of the almond butter yesterday, but it sure got me through my "situational desire" to go get something sweet after finishing the story from heck.

Darline, I forgot to wish ya luck yesterday on ds' birthday. I know you'll do ok!!!!

Ok, here's my recipe for a Sugar Busters "legal" dessert:

Four servings 100-percent whole wheat couscous
Water (see package directions)
2 individual cups UNSWEETENED (no additives of any kind) applesauce
Butter spray (with NO additives such as dextrose)

Cook couscous in water according to package directions (I used the microwave). Mix with applesauce (could add Splenda and/or vanilla or whatever also, I don't see any reason not to) and some sprays of the butter spray. Put one rounded ice cream scoop of mixture in 8 serving dishes, accompanied by two dark unsweetened frozen cherries (this amounts to an 8th of a serving of cherries). Cover with foil or whatever, freeze and heat before serving. This is really good. I will pack some with me tomorrow as I'll be in the mountains until late.

02-13-2005, 09:10 PM
Hello everybody,

What a busy couple of days. Yesterday I took my 16 y/o to CorePower Yoga a class in a 100 degree room. I have been meaning to take him to this class with me for months, but I always got the NO WAY answer. Yesterday there was no argument, You are coming with me and that is final! :high:
Well, it was very rewarding to see him doing the poses and trying to follow the hard class. It seems he is as flexible as I am. He loved it, finally something he can do with me! and get stronger. He is a 5'10 kid with a small frame, extremely skinny. It made me sad to see his ribs showing through the wet t-shirt. After seeing this I decided no more school lunches for him. I bought healthy snacks, lunch meat, etc and I packing his lunch starting tomorrow. I also got flavored water that I found it excellent! I got some at Costco and Target, so I have Mango, Strawberry, Lime, Cherry, etc. I will not have excuse not to drink the 70 oz daily anymore.

Today there was a lot of driving with our 5 children. My oldest had to be in our Church by 11 to go to Mass and we had to get my 2 stepchildren. We took our 4 while my oldest was in Church to Home Depot so we could buy some fencing to put around my Rose Garden that it has been chewed down/8 roses gone by our Lab Puppy. Then we had to go to the Cathedral in downtown to get Nicolas again to another Mass and meet the Archobishop to get ready for his Confirmation for Easter. Needless to say I drove all day with 5 children and Husband, about 100 miles.

Today in the morning, I got up weighed myself and Surprise!!! I lost 4 lbs in 1 1/2 weeks, :D.
I assume eating protein shakes for lunch and carefully at night has its rewards. So, I will continue having the shakes for lunch and food at night.

BTW, I remember seeing Dr. Agaston in Regis and Kelly the other day and saying Raisins and Datels are not good because they cause or have a very high GI. So, although I love them I am not going near them.

Anyway, I am going to have Coffee and seat in front of the TV to watch the Grammys and then Desperate Housewives.

Take care you all! :wave:

02-14-2005, 08:26 AM
Yesterday a co-worker was giving out her yearly Valentine's Day goodies to everyone. She gives out little gift bags with chocolate, chocolates and then more chocolate. I found mine on the counter in my kitchen, opened it up and there was a bag of soy nuts, a bag of sunflower seeds, and some flaxseed sesame sticks. I thought that was so dear that she'd carefully made sure to get me things without sugar.
I'm lucky that everyone I work with has been so supportive!

02-14-2005, 10:21 AM
Eydie, how sweet of your co-worker! How is everyone doing on this "candy" day? UGh.

Yesterday I was strong and I didn't have any cake or ice cream at my son's birthday! Yay! He ate his piece, then grabbed half of his father's piece and ate that, so unfortunately I guess he's inherited my sweet tooth. Tonight we're having another party with the other side of the family, but we're buying the cake, and I don't like the kind of cake we're getting, so I have no worries. I did, however, eat 4 Pillsbury crescent rolls with dinner yesterday. They had 2 g of sugar in each roll, so I wasn't perfect, but I think eating them was a better choice than cake and ice cream.

Wishing you all a sugar-free happy Valentine's Day!

02-14-2005, 10:47 AM
Yo, Happy St. Val's Day to all!!!! Everyone seems to be doing fantastic on this day devoted to sweetness, but not necessarily SUGAR!!!! Huzzah!

Danicomia, CONGRATULATIONS on your FOUR POUNDS lost forever to the stratosphere!!! WTG!!!!! D'ye mind my asking your brand of protein shakes ... I'm looking for a sugar-free variety. The one I used to use was supposed to be sugar-free but it had sugar in it I didn't notice on the ingredients list.

Gypsy, it really is pretty well nigh impossible to get bread with no sweeteners as it's necessary to activating the yeast, so I'd say you're DOING GREAT!!!! Good idea about buying a cake ya don't like ... :)

Eydie, IMO, your coworker is a real keeper. That's really thoughtful.

Kaylets, I love your "don't look" idea ... that's not weakness at all, IMO, it's total strength. You've decided where to put your focus and so why even bother lookin' at the cake.

Who needs it anyhow?

Reading "Sugar Blues" made me remember some years back (dating myself) how when there was a backlash against sugar and the sugar industry took out TV and magazine ads. There was a jingle: "Every livin' lovin' critter, feels a little fitter, when they add a little sugar to their life ..."

I did not make this up.


I'm on Day 30!

02-14-2005, 12:14 PM
:hat: on 30 days, Amarantha! There's no stopping you now!

I read Sugar Blues many years ago, and tried to give up sugar at that time, but wasn't able to. I wonder what's different now. Whatever it is, I'll take it! I LOVE being sugar free!

02-15-2005, 02:07 AM
I also love being sugar-free, Gypsy!!!! :wave:

02-15-2005, 10:27 AM
Good morning! I wanted to report that I made it through both of my son's birthday parties without eating any sweets. I did, however, drink alcohol. Amaretto cream and caramel mocha cream. My sister, the saboteur and former problem drinker, assures me that they do not have sugar in them, that their sweetness comes from the liquor. I don't know if I trust her and there are no ingredients listed on the bottles. Does anyone know? I only had a little bit, and boy, was it yummy! However, I do not want to jeopardize my sugar free-ness.

02-15-2005, 12:23 PM
CONGRATULATIONS ON PASSIN' ON THE SWEET BIRTHDAY, STUFF, GYPSY!!! :cheer: That's a great accomplishment.

Re alcohol, I'm not any expert on the sugar content so will refrain from offering any thoughts on that. I hope it's ok to post this partial question-answer blurb from "" just for general discussion:

" ... I am trying to quit drinking and am having overwhelming cravings for sweets and carbohydrates? I've always had a sweet tooth but this is different. Will these cravings eventually dissapate [sic] & is this a normal alcohol withdrawal symptom? If so, what causes it?

[ANSWER]If you have traded an alcohol (sugar) for a sweet roll addiction (sugar), you have gained little more than a lessened risk for an Operating Under the Influence of Alcohol ticket. Biochemically sugar and alcohol are the same thing. When you take in large amounts of sugar it sends your blood sugar high and releases a feel good neurotransmitter called serotonin. The alcohol and the sweet roll both send your blood sugar high but the alcohol is able to spike your blood sugar twice as quickly. ...

02-15-2005, 12:40 PM
Hate to say it, Darlene, but there's an obsene amount of sugar in those flavored liquers. :o Hey, I see what you mean about your sister-in-law being the sabateur extraordinaire! That's great that you passed on the cake!

Big congrats to Amarantha on reaching the 30 day milestone!!!! :flow1:

I've hit another milestone myself---today it's been 150 days! :)

02-15-2005, 01:19 PM
Uh-oh, I knew it was too good to be true about the alcohol! Oh, well, I guess I'll go back to satisfying my sweet tooth with diet pop. So I guess I consumed an obscene amount of sugar? Yikes! I must be more careful. I wish it was like the Catholic church teaches about sin--if you don't know it's a sin, it doesn't count. :)

02-15-2005, 05:21 PM
Dunno, Darlene, I think that "if ya don't know it's a sin" thingie sounds reasonable! :)

I think this summer I'm going to go to those flavored waters ... they don't have any artificial sweeteners or sugar or ANYTHING, really ... so how do they get the flavor?

Inquiring minds wanna know.



I wanna be you when I grow up! :cb:

02-16-2005, 07:32 PM
Hi, all! Hate posting two in a row, but ... this is my own version of a "stewed chicken" recipe that was in one of the Sugar Bust for Life books I ordered. Got 'em yesterday ... the original recipe had oil and cream in it and onions and lots of stuff and was for a whole chicken, but this is my take on it. Yes, I added Splenda after ranting about manufacturers putting sweeteners in chicken ... there is also lactose in the milk and the cream cheese ... this reminds me of the old Chicken Captain recipes I've had in restaurants in the midwest; I ate one-fourth of the recipe and froze the other three servings separately, 150 cals each:

Take 2 chicken breasts (I semi-thawed in microwave first) and "water fry" (braise) adding a little Splenda and curry powder. When partially cooked, cut into several large pieces and continue cooking until brown. Add chives. Dump a small jar of mushrooms and the water they're packed in, add more water, lower heat and cook until done. Add a bit more water and 1/3 cup skim milk solids (or just add some low carb milk) and 2 ounces fat free cream cheese, stir and continue cooking until you have a creamy chicken/mushroom stew.

This was maybe the best chicken recipe I ever made. Old Dog liked it too! :)

Apologies to :queen: E re the meat ... could use tofu, mayhap. [/b]

02-16-2005, 09:22 PM
:cb: As February 4 I elminated refined sugar, Bread, Potatoes, etc. from my diet. I feel 150% better I have more energy, I'm not tried when I wake up in morning or at any time during the day. I no longer have cravings I can not satisfy now I know i'm not alone. I do not miss the sugar if I have a need for something sweet I know that recipes are easy to find and taste better than ones made with sugar because they will not put me back on the Sugar Roll Coaster.:goodvibes (

02-17-2005, 10:04 AM
Huzzah, Jana!!!!! Congratulations on your successful transition from the land o' that roller coaster!!!! :cheer: It is good to have ya here and to hear confirmation from another person that THIS WORKS! :) Have a great day!

02-17-2005, 10:34 AM
Good morning everyone! Welcome Jana! I've been sick and haven't been able to exercise. I hate that. Also, after imbibing the sugar-laden alcoholic beverages this weekend, I'm having sugar cravings again. :devil: So far, I've been able to resist, but I've been eating more than I'd like in order to stave them off. I'm determined not to slip up!! I'm hoping once I get my exercise back on track that it'll be OK with my weight loss.

Congratulations, Eydie, on reaching 150 days! That puts you a month away from 6 months! Amazing!

02-17-2005, 04:03 PM
Welcome, Jana!!! So nice to have another in our sugar-less cult. :lol:

Had a book discussion at work today, and I'm the cook, so I provide the coffee and sweets. I'd made a new recipe, carrot cake bars, and I tasted one. Just one taste, no chewing and then spit it out; as I intended. I know, how gross am I?! :o One does what one must......always the lady, that's my motto!

Darlene, I'm feeling a bit under the weather too. Just tired and kinda snorky. Get well soon, my friend! :)

02-17-2005, 06:11 PM
Congratulations on that "unladylike" behavior there, E!!! :cheer: In all honesty, we have to really resort to whatever we can to stay true to the cause and I applaud thee!

As I think I posted somewhere, when the very nice elderly lady I was interviewing a week or so ago told me she'd meant to bake me a cake but had run outta time, I knew then that without a doubt, I was so committed to this, that I would have made up some story to refuse the cake.

Thanks for visiting my journal in the land far away. Yup, folks are worried about my eating fruit! :)

Sugar Busters is a bit confusing on the subject of fruit. The original books say it's good to eat it separately from other foods ... I read that again and realized they were saying that, according to them, (and remember this is a fad diet and very controversial with nutritionists, BUT it was written at least in part by physicians in New Orleans, who believed in it enough in the beginning to self-publish before it became popular and then died out) when you eat fruit with other food, you lose the advantage of the low glycemic load of fruit (something like that) ... anyhow, the two "companion" books and cookbooks put out a few years later by one of the editor and her restaurant owning husband say you MUST eat it separately (30 minutes before a meal or 2 hours after), except in the case of maybe some all-fruit spread on an "approved" (whole grain) cracker ... I think this is a pointless exercise, but I actually did eat my fruit separately today to see if I felt any different. The jury's out ... :lol:

Darlene, sorry thou be under the weather. I'm kind of tired, too, and having milder sinus problems than a few weeks ago (can it be the sugar?) ... have to go do two meetings now in mountains ...

Later ...

02-18-2005, 10:23 AM
:o It was not to be 2# only 1# a # lost is a # Lost and not a # gained.
Next week it a will be more. :)

I have just been watching the carbs I may have to back on the Sommersizing eating plan it work very well for me before I lost 40# that had a bite of parsely potatoes and it has take over a year to get back on track. I have made a lot of starts, thats all they wereis starts that did not last. I don't know why this time feels differant is have a stronger resolve to follow though with this life time change.

I have more to say but I see the time, I have to be to work in 40 minutes. Talk later tonight. Everyone have a good Low Carb Day. :grouphug:

P.S. Down 1# from 247 :)

02-18-2005, 11:51 AM
Congratulations on the weight loss, Jana! I'm feeling better today, but yesterday I ate a lot. I went home from work early b/c I felt so bad, and there I was, feeling FAMISHED. No sugar, thank God, but that unknowing slip up with the alcohol has reminded me of what a hold sugar can get on me!

I was thinking of having a margarita this weekend. I know alcohol acts like sugar in the bloodstream (thanks for that info, Amarantha!), but do margaritas have actual sugar in them (I'm talking about regular-old margaritas, not strawberry or anything like that)?

02-18-2005, 03:05 PM
Jana, a pound down is very good!!!! Congratulations! :wave:

Actually, I'm not on a low carb diet ... I'm personally doing Sugar Busters, which is a low glycemic diet aimed at preventing insulin spikes, mainly, but includes at least 40 percent carbs ... 50 percent as long as the carbs are the good kind. I eat tons of carbs and don't desire to go low! :)

:lol: Gypsy, dinna mean to bash alcohol to thee ... actually winemaking is part of my family business and I am not opposed to alcohol drinking. Thought I should clear that up in case anyone I know should ever trace my posties to my actual self here! :)

But alcohol not only acts like sugar, my understanding is that it contains sugar (or is sugar in some cases ... dunno, I'm not the winemaker ... :lol: ... confuses the heck outta me ...

Re margaritas, I think there are lots of recipes ... I'll defer to Chef Eydie who might know. The main ingredient seems to be tequila.

This is my 34th day. I started a new journal in the land far far away to celebrate AND have THROWN OUT ALL THE SPLENDA IN MY KITCHEN. Dunno, it's acceptible in Sugar Busters but it seems to have some sort of glycemic response in my bod. I bought some stevia leaves and will see how they are in recipes. Sort of thinking I'll go without any added artificial sweeteners in oatmeal, etc., which is where I used Splenda mainly.

Onward ...

02-19-2005, 08:56 AM
Amarantha, you didn't ruin alcohol for me! I was being sincere-I appreciated the info. Actually, I didn't feel like a margarita last night, which is when my sister and I went out to dinner.

I'm really suspicious about Splenda. I wish I could give up diet sweeteners all together, but I can't seem to break my reliance on diet pop (yeah, my Lent goal of giving it up lasted about 4 days!).

02-19-2005, 09:58 AM
Congrats on dropping a pound, Jana! :D

And like Amarantha, I'm not doing low-carb either, but the carbs I do eat are all whole grain. I even eat potatoes as long as they still have their jackets on. :) Not too often though, don't really crave potatoes.

Gypsy, I don't think that I've ever seen a margarita mix that didn't have sugar. Sorry. But it sounds like that was a false alarm anyway. :)

Amarantha, interesting to see that you've given up Splenda. It's one of those thimngs that I dared not ever start with. I know it tastes like sugar, so suspected that it would really get me going with cravings again. About the stevia, I'll look around and see if I have any good recipes. It's very sweet, and I find that it has a rather "green" aftertaste--it's an herb after all!

Speaking of green, I've managed to come down with a heck of a cold. I really thoight all my good behaviour would spare me this winter. I guess I was in the wrong place at the wrong time.....

02-19-2005, 12:35 PM
Hi, all!!! :wave: I'm on day 35 and doing well, except I have to do some of this payin' writin' today, so should not come out to play.

Yes, E, Splenda tastes just like sugar. I suspect the feeling of insulin spikes I was having when I ate it recently was psychosomatic, but why mess myself up.

I even ate oatmeal with no sweetener of any kind ... a first for me. I usually put some Splenda on it. As for the stevia, I found when I looked at the package of leaves that you were supposed to steep them before using, so that was too much trouble. This morning I went to the health food store and bought some stevia "tabs" ... I had to look some to find a brand with no additives. This one has chromium in it, but some of the others had MALTODEXTRIN, which I refuse to eat. So I'll see how using the tabs works. I plan on only using it in recipes now and then, not for general sweetening, as I find now that most food is sweet enough all by itself.

Speaking of potatoes, I can only have sweet potatoes and yams since Sugar Busters, sweet potatoes are less cals, so I've experimented with these. Going to make a concentrated effort to learn to like these. Recipes would be appreciated! :)

Gypsy, funny how we sometimes plan on having something (like you and the margarita) and find when the moment arrives, it has no appeal. Was good you didn't have it since the mixes apparently have sugar ... you're doing great!!!!

I have made a bet with a friend to do yoga and/or pilates every day for a week. I realize this is off topic for a no sugar thread, but it's kind of not, since I think these particular forms of exercise raise endorphins much like, well, for me a cupcake might.

Must work now though, yoga later.

02-19-2005, 07:14 PM
I think it's interesting to watch my food cravings since I've been sick the last 3 days. What I really want is sugar :o and pizza with a thick white flour crust! However, I haven't given in, and have contented myself with fruit [my darling clementines! yum!] and whole wheat pasta with LOTS of garlic and red pepper flakes. It's kind of pizza-esque.
I read on the Radiant Recovery site about how when you're sick you want to raise those beta-endorphin levels any way you can and that's why you'll want sugar or other high GI foods---anything to make you feel better!
I wouldn't be aware of any of this stewing away in my brain if I didn't faithfully keep a food journal. Gotta get a plug in for journaling whenever i can--it's the best! :D

Amarantha, Kathleen DesMaisons says that any sweetener [sugar, natural artificial, whatever] will cause cravings of some degree--so that's why the last step of her program is giving up all sugars. Yikes!
Have you tried the liquid stevia? Usually comes in a little dropper bottle. The one I have is in a water/alcohol base though.
You mentioned that now food tastes sweet enough---I had some brocolli with my pasta today and was struck at how sweet it [the brocolli] was! Has it always been? And sweet potatoes seem extraordinarily sweet!

I feel better today than yesterday--can't smell a thing though. Got a magazine today with the perfume ads and couldn't smell it at all.
I felt so bad yesterday that I didn't do any exercise at all. Broke my perfect record. I'd managed to workout every day this year so far. Oh well....

Amarantha, just for fun, I'd like to join you in your Pilates/Yoga challenge! Maybe we could do a quick report here. I kinda miss the St. Val's exercise thread!

02-19-2005, 08:23 PM
You're on, :queen: E!!!! Maybe you'd want to start a separate thread for it here ... a Pilates/Yoga challenge "club" ... dunno, just a thought. :) I did a paltry 10 minutes of random yoga moves and dragon/fire breath thingies. Will do at least part of a Wai Lana vid tomorrow, methinks. My friend (walking partner, actually) has never done yoga so I gave her a book and made the challenge. We will get a reward for completing the week! I really need to get back into it ... will also throw some pilates into the mix.

Re the stevia, I saw the kind with water/alcohol, but I can't stand flavorings with alcohol or glycerol, so I went with the least intrusive alternative, the chromium. I do intend at some point to make some desserts that are in the Sugar Busters cookbooks and also create some TRULY sugar free ice cream in the summer, but for now I don't need any sweeteners and it's not been touched. It would seem when I decide to make the desserts, if ever I do, a very little bit of stevia should do the trick as my tastes are dramatically changed.

I AM having some of those "situational desires" sometimes ... keep thinking of the Valentine's Day cupcakes in the stores that I missed ... now they have Easter cupcakes (same overly refined recipe, different holiday). I keep thinking what it would be like to get dressed (I've been working at home most of the day, as I will tomorrow) and go out and have one of my previous binges. But that's what convinces me that the sugar is actually a physical addiction for me (a limited one because you don't go into life-threatening withdrawal, at least I don't think so) ... I can have that nostalgic yearning that I've mentioned to you, E, but it doesn't translate into action, whereas when addicted to the stuff physically, I would not be deterred until I'd gone out in the rain and bought a lot of it and eaten it ... then I would want more and by the next day, I'd be off and running again ...

Now I'm free (thanks for the journal entry) NOT to go have a binge and can safely eat a reasonable dinner and snack later.

Yup. Would never go back ...

02-20-2005, 01:41 PM
Is it too late to join you all?

I LOVE sugar and yes, I think I am addicted. I would go out in the rain for a sweet in the middle of the night! :o I have been talking about giving it up but I always chicken out or give-up after a few days. I have seen your thread several times this past week and you all are such an inspiration so, as of today, my first goal is to go at least 50 days with NO Sugar.

One of the hardest parts for me is the little things I eat that have sugar in them - my soy creamer. I noticed Amarantha that you discovered this too. They do make a no sugar added soy milk but it is not the same. Do you still drink it?

Any suggestions on getting through the first couple of days sugar-free? Also, did you give up "true" fruit juices? I love OJ!


02-20-2005, 03:03 PM
It be never too late to kick out that ol' Sugar :devil: Macon!!!! Welcome!

First, I would like to report to the group that I'm down 1.4 pounds ... this is a 6.2 total loss since Sugar Busters (and the two days I was doing Sugar Busters before I actually read the books). My bodyfat percentage is down another point, my double chin is gone, my jeans are even looser (will buy more soon). This works for me.

Macon, I don't really have any specific advice about the first days off of sugar: except to go to a health food store that has a peanut butter or almond butter machine and make sure they only have the nuts in there and buy yourself a small serving fresh everyday ... heaven and takes the place of sweets for me.

Anyhow, Eydie is the real champ here with more than 150 days under her belt and I bet she has words of wisdom to offer.

I do sometimes have the unsweetened soymilk ... dunno, I'm trying not to do anything that is not specifically addressed in Sugar Busters, but that's just me. But they don't say yea or nay about soymilk (this is an older plan, mayhap soymilk wasn't popular then), so I don't worry about it. The plan has a lot of inconstancies, so I work 'em out as best I can in me feeble brain. :)

I personally don't do juice, for the same reason: Sugar Busters is agin it ... but this is just the plan I'm following and a lot of people here are doing different things. However, juice per se does have all the sugar of fruit without the protection of all the bulk and fiber, so it's too high on the glycemic index for me, but again, that's my goal, to eat low or moderate on the GI to keep my blood sugar stable.

But if it's only your goal right now to give up refined sugar and you aren't doing the glycemic index, why not suit yourself as to the soy and juice? :)

Everyone seems to have a different take on this, but we all have a common ENEMY, methinks! YES, it be he, the EVIL, NEFARIOUS, SCHEMING AND THOROUGHLY BAD GUY: the SUGAR DEMON :devil:

Ha ha, we laugh in his face!!!! :lol:

02-20-2005, 03:40 PM
Welcome, Macon! Great to have a new friend with us. The more inspiration we all have the better! I've found this is a great thread for keeping me motivated and it's interesting to see what we all struggle with and how we overcome it or the tricks we use to get around it. For example, my whole wheat pasta with garlic and pepper flakes prevented me from going out and getting the doughy white flour pizza yesterday!

About the juice, of course you know that eating the whole fruit is better, so I'd do that as much as possible. My husband is a big juice fan too, and he drinks 1/2 seltzer water and 1/2 juice--works for him.
I think we're all playing around to see what works best for us. One thing I recommend is keeping a journal not only of your food, but tracking how you feel too, if your moods change, if you have strong cravings, whatever. This has helped me more than I can say. Most days I love to journal and other days it's the last thing I want to do, so I write that down too!

Oh and I agree with Amarantha about the nut butters. Don't panic, but it's very common to indulge a bit with fat as we're coming off sugar--it keeps our moods stable and helps with sugar cravings. I was very freaked out about this at first. I mean, I started using real 1/2 and 1/2 in my coffee instead of the fat-free 1/2 and 12/ which has sugar. I bought whipping cream instead of cool whip. And eating nuts as a snack. I was the low-fat queen for so long too, so this was hard for me, but it helped. Just be careful not to trade one addiction for another. Again, this is where journaling is so helpful.

Yikes! I see that I'm really going on and on. I'm so passionate about this, I could go forever. It's a journey and don't be hard on yourself if you slip, okay?
Great having you here, Macon!

02-20-2005, 03:43 PM
And big congrats to Amarantha for dropping almost 1.4 pounds!!! You're an inspiration! :D

02-20-2005, 05:23 PM
Thanks, E! I'm passionate about it, too. Also eating a lot of nuts ... my "diet" plan recommends 'em ... but I count 'em out carefully, 23 cashews for 170 cals. That's plenty to keep blood sugar stable and keep me from being hungry. I keep a can of nuts and some unsweetened applesauce as an emergency kit in the car when I'm traveling. I did find that too many whole apples were making me ill ... I hate the applesauce but it does the trick when I can't find decent food.

02-20-2005, 09:46 PM
Thanks for the welcome!

Well, I have almost made it through day one! Usually night time is the hardest time for me but I am determined to do this so not feeling any temptation (I am sure that will come back in a few more days!). I know they say emotions play into this but I have never figured out why I have more trouble at night - a reward maybe??? I am just saying NO!

Eydie - Did your husband give up sugar? My husband is almost a foot taller than I am and while not skinny, he can certainly eat a ton more food and often eats very unheathy which can make it hard sometimes. I am going to try to keep a journal and that is a great idea to include my moods - that will really force me to face my fears!

Amarantha - congrats on the 1.4 lbs! That is great!! Question - why applesauce instead of apples? Taste or less sugar?

I guess I should clarify what I am trying to do - for you and for me! I actually eat pretty healthy day-to-day (I am a vegetarian and eat no meat, little dairy and do eat my fruits and veggies - if I do not fill up on bread first :o ). My downside is bread (I can eat a whole loaf of 100% whole wheat bread), sugar in any form (I never eat high fructose corn syrup but then I can eat vegan cookies all day which is just as bad!), and occasionally white flour (pizza!). So, those are my weaknesses :devil: I am going to eliminate sugar and white flour. On my own, I am planning to eat limited whole grains especially these first few weeks. I want to lose 18 lbs. and just feel more in control.

I do find great inspiration from you ladies so thank you for the support!

02-21-2005, 12:38 AM
Congrats on a good Day One, Macon!!! I've no doubt in this world that you'll be with us a long, long time and kick that sugar 'n white flour :devil: ... re your question on the apples, I just had such a bad eating style for so long (think cupcakes, candy, dulce de leche) that when I started eating more produce and whole grains I had trouble digesting it, especially the apples, which I liked for their portability ... in the first few days I did need to grab a snack a lot ... so I filled that gap with little cups of unsweetened applesauce ... the most bland substance on earth but useful.

I was a vegetarian for a long time, BTW, (not now) and I ate TONS of sugar ...

Yoga/Pilates Seven-Day Challenge (Not Off-Topic Because It Raises Endorphins In Place o' SUGAR!!! :devil: ) Eydie, I did another 10 minutes of yoga but not the Wai Lana tape!

On to Day 37 for me!

02-21-2005, 07:44 AM
Welcome, Macon! Glad to have you with us! And good job, Amarantha, on the weight loss! I'm doing all right, no sugar and the cravings have subsided, but I'm starting to feel I want to restrict my white flour intake more. This weekend I really had too much. I don't think I'm addicted to it like some people are, but it's not healthy, and it's everywhere and convenient.

Can I join in the pilates/yoga challenge? Since I started my lifestyle change, I've been great about exercising, but in the past 2 weeks I have only exercised 2x/week b/c of illness and child sleep disturbances. I really want to get back on track, and I LOVE pilates and yoga.

02-21-2005, 08:17 AM
Happy Monday! Let's make this a good week! :D

I'm truly feeling better and am ready to throw myself into the Pilates/Yoga challenge. Did nothing yesterday, still recovering.

Macon, I'm vegetarian too, so we have that in common. Long time, about 21 years. The plan I'm on now recommends a decent amount of protien [it's not a hi-protein, low-carb thing though.] so I've been eating a bit more cheese than I normally would. Still sorting out how I feel about it. :dizzy:

It's cool that we're doing our own thing but basically on the same page! :)

02-21-2005, 10:35 AM
Well, now this is great, we have Gypsy in the pilates/yoga challenge as well. It does seem to fit in with the gentler way of life that not eating sugar promotes.

My busiest day so I just went into the dark aerobics room and added 10 min of planks, fire breath, bridges to my gym workout ... and then did the "peace" pose (it's the corpse but I think "peace" is a nicer name) before showering. Short but still qualifies me!

Re sweeteners, stevia is just not a happenin' thing for me. As I think E said, it's just a bit too "green" tasting. But still desiring to use some of the "acceptable" ice cream and other recipes in the cookbooks I got that follow my plan, I bought some Sweet 'n Low, which is an older sweetener and the one used in the recipes. Tried just a few grains in oatmeal and it doesn't seem to give me the rush I was getting from Splenda.

I still desire not to eat a lot of artificial sweeteners and will not usually put it in food, but really have this urge to create a REALLY sugar free ice cream in the summer (as opposed to the kind that says it's sugar free but isn't). But I need to experiment to find just one sweetener that I can safely use ...Sweet 'n Low may be it. Dunno.

If not, I'll make tomato ice cream! I've seen recipes for this and other vege ice creams. Might be good. :doh:

02-21-2005, 01:10 PM
Arial Narrow Blue Marvelous Monday Morning to All,

Eyclie hope cold has run its course. :flow1:

Amarantha congratulations on 35 days :bravo: and good luck to all who are joining your Yoga & Palates challenge. :bravo:

Welcome Macon to your new way of eating . :balloons:

Each Monday is a Marvelous one for me when I have time again to come and chat with you, and to know that you are here for the support that I need on my weight loss journey. Everyday thus far has been a marvelous one I feel so good I have had no desire to eat anything with refined sugar what a blessing that is not to pace the house looking for something that will satisfy me.

I have yet to start excising itís so easy to make excuses. Today I have a date with Richard that is Richard Simmons for 30 minutes tomorrow itís with Jack Lalaine. In April my friend is opening a Slender You Work Out Center then thatís where youíll find me.

Dose anyone take Garlic tablets? I bought a bottle at Samís Club (odor-controlled 650 mg) after I had taken them for 3 days Gerald ask me to stop taking them as I was a walking ad for garlic. I then bought some (odor- free 1200 mg) ones when I opened them the smell was extremely strong and IĎm a little afraid if they smell that strong what will I smell like in 3 days. Will everyone be able to smell the garlic for a mile away? Is there a brand that really has no odor?

Has anyone had a cornea transplant or only the back of the cornea removed and replaced with a donated one?

02-21-2005, 04:28 PM
Happy Monday everyone!

Darlene - thanks for the welcome! What exactly is the yoga/pilates challenge? I use to do yoga loyally and loved it but now all I do is walk the dog.

Jana - thanks also for the fun welcome! I can not help you on the garlic pills - sorry. I do put a lot of garlic in when I cook so I am sure I smell like garlic a lot! :D Maybe try to odor-less and do not tell Gerald and see if he notices?

Amarantha - Is today day 38 for you? That is fabulous! "tomato ice cream?" Really? Hmm...I think I may have to go back to my soy ice cream. ;) No really, let me know if it is any good. I love tomatos. Do you go to the gym everyday?

Eydie - you are not going to believe this - I have been a veggie for 21 years too! I gave up meat when I was 14. I am now struggling to create a doable, healthy eating plan. I am trying to not eat so much bread (whole wheat) and more protein. I am trying to eat more cheese but it makes me kind of sick. Today, to ate veggie sausages for breakfast and cheese and beans in my salad for lunch but I do not feel great. I think I will experiment some this week to find what works for me. I think I may stick more to fruits and veggies doing the day and add some nuts and cheese for protein. How do you get your protein?

02-21-2005, 06:56 PM
Hmmm, I think it's Day 37, Macon ... need to recheck my figures! :) Soy ice cream sounds great, actually, I may try making that. I love soymilk ... I go to the gym five to six days a week, sometimes a bit less ... not really sure about the tomato ice cream, but the recipe sounded good. In the summer, I make vege smoothies as I find it hard to eat vegetables. :wave:

"SUGAR?!!!! We laugh in its face!!! Ha-ha!!!"
~ The Members of the No Refined Sugar Club

02-21-2005, 07:46 PM
Thanks for the congratulations!!! :wave: I missed your post when I was on earlier ... was on an earlier page!!!!

I love this quote of yours: "Everyday thus far has been a marvelous one I feel so good I have had no desire to eat anything with refined sugar what a blessing that is not to pace the house looking for something that will satisfy me. ..."


02-21-2005, 07:52 PM
Well, ok, I must admit that I read a certain popular weekly "women's" mag ... it is so fun and relaxing. So this is not exactly the most scientific of sources, but I'd like to call attention to an item in Woman's World in a story about looking "years younger by avoiding ..." ... it says you can keep your skin young by cutting down on cakes, candy, cookies. "The sugar in them attaches to colagen resulting in stiff infexible skin that makes wrinkles deeper and more noticeable." (Laura Wise-Blau)

Well, one of the first things I noticed when I gave up sugar is that my face has changed ... several other folks noticed it, too. It looks better. I thought it was dental work that mayhap has changed the configuration or something, but I do know that after about a week on Sugar Busters, I lost a lot of puffiness in the face and I swear it looks less wrinkled!

Could be true!

02-21-2005, 08:11 PM
Amarantha, It's good to know as the days go by we'll all look like we are teenagers again or at least early 30! :cb: :flow1: :dance: :yes: and won't all our thin friends be green with envy . ;)

That good news should give us all added Inspiration to stay with our plan and the thought of a new sexy you wardwrode. :queen:

Question when do I get to use color and the font I would like? :?: As long as I'm dreaming Spell check would be nice to.

I bought grapes last night at the store I'm thinking it was not the best Idea I ever had. They just make you want more so go have a pickle!


02-21-2005, 11:11 PM
Jana, I don't know the answers to your questions about garlic or the cornea transplant, but you can change the color of your font by highlighting your entire message then clicking on the "color" and selecting the color you desire. Amarantha may know a quicker way.

I am SO tired, ladies. And I actually binged on white flour stuff tonight. We went to Olive Garden for a late lunch and a dutifully ordered the whole wheat linguine, but then I ate 3 or 4 breadsticks. Then tonight I ate, well, it's too much to list here. Let's just say pizza was involved, and lots of it. I really want to eliminate white flour, or at least restrict it. For those of you who have eliminated it, did you go about the elimination in any particular way?

Oh, I also didn't do pilates today, but did do step aerobics. At work, I have an office yoga and pilates workout that I think I'll do tomorrow to make sure I get it in. Amarantha, are we aiming for everyday?

02-22-2005, 02:21 AM
Hello there people. Can I join your thread? I found it surfing the forum one lonely evening when my usual threads had no action. Amarantha, remember me?! from the 21-day challenges? They were great! I used to always do NO SUGAR and that's really a large part of what got me realizing how great being off sugar is. Alas, recently I was back on full steam ahead knowing all along it was making the tires around my waist (or where it's supposed to be) bigger, dragging me down and making my face puffy and large-pored. OH yes, by the way, that is so true with the complexion! So anyhow, Lent rolled around and someone was doing something for Lent and I, though raised Catholic but no longer part of that, thought I'd do something too. So I gave up sugar along with three other of my favorite foods. So, it's two weeks to the day that I've been sugar-free and I love it! Although of course, I do love sweets. I don't allow any sweeteners either except for a bit of sugarless gum. So, anyhow, I'd love to be in here chatting with you. Eydie, you were on the 21er too I think, no, or was that another thread? So there are some familiar "faces" and some not, but heh, if you'll have me I'd love to hop aboard. :sunny:

02-22-2005, 08:16 AM
Hi, all!!!! And welcome to Redballoon, whom I certainly do remember from the 21-day challenges. Always good to have new recruits "hop aboard" the Anti Sugar :devil: train!!! :wave:

Jana, re fonts, colors, etc., for me it's just faster to type in the codes. :)

Red grapes work out pretty well for me as far as blood sugar goes, so long as I eat 'em in small amounts and not with any other food. Not sure why that works, seems to, though. I like 'em for their portability. The white ones seem a bit too sweet at this point for me.

Gypsy my personal elimination of white flour was just a part of the whole Sugar Busters deal, so it was easy. The nice thing about eliminating both together is that there's NO way I'll ever be able to eat an EC (Evil Cupcake) again!!!! (CUPCAKES, HA! I LAUGH IN THEIR FACES!!!!).

Re the yoga/pilates challenge, well, it started as every day for a week! :) My walking pard isn't doing it, though, but just the little I've been doing has helped me get back some peace and flexibility. I'm thinkin' it's the "cupcake" o' the exercise world ... raisin' endorphins 'n all that!!!! Congrats, though on getting that aerobics in, very important! Maybe everyone here could come up with their personal exercise challenge that could be used as an endorphin boostin' alternative to the "sugar" high!

I'm on Day 38!

As E saith, we are all using different approaches here but all are on the same page: THE SUGAR FREE PAGE O' THE BOOK O' A GREAT LIFE!!!!! Huzzah! Sis boom 'n bah ...

:cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

02-22-2005, 08:17 AM
Hi everyone,

I received an invitation to join all of you from Amarantha, who I "met" on another diet website.

I have gotten most of the sugar out of my diet, I Somersized quite a few years ago, and even though I'm off that program, I still have avoided most added sugars, except for bread. It wasn't until I read an article in the Feb. issue of Prevention Magazine about high fructose corn syrup that I've started reading labels more closely.

Jana, I read your question about changing colors on your posts. If you click onto "USER CP", click on change options, scroll down until you see "Miscellaneous Options". Click on the arrow and other options will appear. Click on "Enhanced Interface" The next time you post, to change colors, all you have to do is click on the underlined "A" and you can pick whatever color you want. It will also be easier to change the script and size of the letters.

Amarantha, I'm heading out this morning to find the Sugar Buster Books. I can't thank you enough for all the help you gave me. I have a feeling that this is the plan for me.

I hope I will be welcomed to post here. I'm looking forward to meeting you all.

Take care and have a good day.

02-22-2005, 08:24 AM
Ali!!!!! :wave: HI!!!!! So glad you're here. Ye musta been postin' whilst I was!!!!! It be so good to see thee here!!!! Hope you find your books and enjoy the SB plan, but if not, well, there's plenty o' good ideas here on different ways to go about outwittin' our common sugary enemy :devil: ... HA! HA! WE LAUGH IN HIS FACE!!!!

02-22-2005, 08:24 AM
Welcome, RedBaloon! I certainly do remember you! :D

For the Pilates/yoga challenge, I did 25 minutes of Pilates + my treadmill workout and dumbells. Hope to do both yoga and Pilates today. Time will tell....

Who asked me about protein? I think it was Macon? Yes! 'Cause it was about veg. protein; I use soy products of all kinds, eggs, cheese [I try to use mostly the reduced-fat cheeses], whey protein powder, beans and grains. I'm sure there's more--I'll add as I think of them. That's cool, Macon, that you were a vegetarian at 14. I waited till the ripe old age of 21!

Darlene, in many ways I think that white flour is almost as bad as white sugar. Always gives me that same 'more, more' feeling, even when it's not that good. Good job with the ww pasta though!

02-22-2005, 09:45 AM

WELCOME REDBALLON & ALI :balloons: :flow1: :balloons:

Thank You Amarantha & Darlene for tips on font & colorI was choosing my font and color first. :)

Gonging to the Olive Garden could temp the :devil: him self Darlene, I love bread and if I had one breadstick Iíd have to have another.

Itís wonderful to see the sunrise:flow2: earlier every day in north east Michigan.

Tomorrow I have an appointment with the second cornea transplant Doc. they want to do a new procedure that dose not have a code. I do not think my insurance with cover that. I hope we set a date to have some kind of transplant surgery. I will be thankful to have my vision restored in my right eye and to be able to drive safely again and to be able to read a book and not always have get books on tapes and Cds.

Last night Gerald was surfing the chanels and stopped at fit TV he found a low carb chef cooking show. If you go to Blaine's Low Carb Kitchen Recipies Index you will find a list of shows and menus, on the second page there is a low carb pizza recipe that sound easy to make and good to eat.


02-22-2005, 09:56 AM
Low Carb Stuffed Pizza

3/4 cup olive oil to fry
6 low carb tortillas
1 - 14.5 oz. can diced tomatoes
1/4 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. fresh cracked pepper
1 tsp. garlic powder
1 tbsp. Parmesan cheese
1 8 oz. bag pre-shredded Italian Blend Cheese
48 slices pre-cut pepperoni

Preheat oven to 375 degrees. Stack tortillas and puncture with a fork about a dozen times. Fry low carb tortillas one at a time in about 1 tbsp. olive oil in a 10" nonstick pan over medium high heat until brown and crisp. Repeat adding 1 tbsp. olive oil to pan until all tortillas are brown and crisp. Make sure you cook tortillas on both sides then drain on paper towels. Season tomatoes with Parmesan cheese, garlic powder, salt and pepper. Put three tortillas on cookie sheets. Spread 2 tablespoons of tomatoes on each tortilla and top with 1/4 cup grated cheese and 6-8 pieces of pre-cut pepperoni. Top 3 made pizzas with 3 other tortillas and repeat with sauce, cheese and pepperoni. You will have a total of 3 stuffed pizzas. Cook on cookie sheets in preheated oven for 10 minutes. Cut each pizza in half and serve.

Yields 6 servings - approximately 10 net carbs per each serving

02-22-2005, 09:59 AM
Good morning, All! I've come down with a cold, after a desperately frantic work week - "90 mph with our hair on fire" is how the site editor described it. I should have made an extra effort to take care of myself to counteract the stress. When will I learn :rolleyes: I've been almost entirely free of sugar/white stuff since I joined up here (don't remember exactly when), but some days going too carb-heavy and some days eating slumped on the couch (which almost inevitably leads me to eat more than I would sitting at the table). So I'm aiming to address those two issues. :chin: Think I'm going to call this Day 1, always nice to get a fresh start...

Amarantha, I am CERTAIN you're right about the skin thing. I think that sugar makes the skin kind of shrivel up on the surface. I can always see a huge difference when I'm eating clean.

Eydie, I know what you mean about the "more" feeling. I find too many carbs in general, even if "legal" ones make me feel hungry all day -- yesterday was a case in point: I made whole rye/ buckwheat biscuits for breakfast and kept munching on them all day. I'm sure partially because I allowed myself to eat on the couch, too. I do have a couple of big containers of lentil soup in the fridge, and that's where I intend to turn today.

Going to try to take it easy till I feel better, work a little, clean house a little, exercise a little, rest in between times. Let's make it a good one!

02-22-2005, 10:56 AM
Hi, Arabella! Welcome Redballoon and Ali! You know, I hadn't noticed until you mentioned it, Amarantha, but my skin does look a lot better! Jana, thanks for the pizza recipe--I'm looking forward to trying it.

I used my crockpot for the first time yesterday. I made a lentil and brown rice dish and had some this morning topped with plain yogurt. It was scrumptious! I'm thinking this might be a nice alternative to my usual eggs and whole grain toast. My goal is to go today without any white flour. I don't think I want to eliminate it altogether, but reduce it, and if that doesn't work, elminate it for a month. Maybe by then I won't want it, but one of my favorite Lebanese foods is made with white flour. i'll have to see if there's a way to make it with whole wheat flour.

02-22-2005, 11:46 AM
Wow, thanks guys for all the warm welcomes! :) I'm just home now and it's near 1 a.m. I must get to sleep but just wanted to say thanks and report in another day of sugar-free living! I even sat there at the bar with chocolate-covered sticks (waferlike things) staring me in the eye. The barkeep even turned the holder around to face me so they were more inviting, all very polite and everything but I stared them in the eye and LAUGHED! :rofl: YO!

... later! :wave:

02-22-2005, 12:11 PM
Hi, all! Went to gym, came home and took nap and made a hamburger/mushroom/cheese "steak" recipe as I'm going to be too rushed soon to cook. Old Dog gave this recipe 10 stars ... am eating without any bun to save my Ezekial bread for later.

This is a flyby to warn everyone that Sweet 'n Low has DEXTROSE (aka SUGAR) in it, along with other ingredients. Luckily I only had a few grains of this on oatmeal yesterday and since there's less than 1 gram in a packet, I feel perfectly justified in saying that I'm totally justified in continuing to call myself refined sugar free and on Day 38. Also perfectly "legal" in Sugar Busters as it's an approved sweetener, but can't imagine why I did not see that on the label. I will continue to look for a sweetener I can use in my ice cream! Going to look at Equal next.

02-22-2005, 01:24 PM
Hey, Darlene! What's your favorite Lebanese dish? I worked in a Lebanese restaurant for 17 or 18 years and still LOVE the food. I do find, in most cases, that I can substitute whole wheat for white almost anywhere it appears and that it works fine. Some things aren't quite the same (say, maybe, croissants and pastries) but are usually quite good anyway. Lamentably, I have to limit whole wheat flour too, but that's my sad story. Most people are okay with it...

02-22-2005, 03:03 PM
My favorite Lebanese food is something called "men-oo-shee" or "men-ai-eesh." There are Arabic bakeries here that make it and nothing else (I live in the Detroit area). I don't know how to describe the dough--it's kind of a cross between a pizza crust and pita bread, definitely made with white flour. It's topped with either 1) a mixture of thyme, toasted sesame seeds and olive oil, 2) cheese, or 3) ground lamb and olive oil, and cooked in a special oven. Because it's made in the special oven, I don't know how I could approximate it at home, but I'd love to try. If you have any ideas, let me know!

We eat it once every weekend, so I'll really suffer if I give it up entirely.

02-22-2005, 03:09 PM
Darlene, that sounds like something I know as "fatayer" (not sure of the spelling), but it's exactly like that. Sometimes they stuff it, I think... But I'm most familiar with the one with zathar (not sure of that spelling either, but it's got thyme and sesame seeds and other stuff in it). I bet cooking it on a pizza stone would work great, and that even just on a pan would work fine. You're right -- it's GOOD!

OK -- just had a look and I think fatayer is similar but a stuffed version. I think maybe I just never knew the name for the one you're talking about. I'll keep an eye out for a recipe...

02-22-2005, 04:34 PM
The dough is probably the same, Arabella. I'll ask my SIL tonight if she knows how to make it, and maybe y'all can help me make appropriate substitutions.

02-22-2005, 05:28 PM
Welcome, Ali! :D I think we were posting at the same time this AM.

Jana, thanks for the pizza recipe. Looks great. I love those tortilla crusts!

Great to see you Arabella! :) And Darlene, I agree with Arabella about using the pizza stone for the bread. Really makes a big difference. I've had that before too--I love zahtar, that mixture of herbs.

I'm feeling bummed because my weight is up. For you newcomers I was concerned that my current program [Radiant Recovery] allowed too much fat, so I pulled away from it and in a month I've gained almost 5 pounds. So of course I'm going back on the program that served me so well. I feel like I blew it--I was doing so well.... :o

02-22-2005, 06:17 PM
Eydie, when you talk about "Radiant Recovery" is this something you have devised or is this a diet program out there commerically or in a book somewhere?

Morning here, barely awake. I see a lot of you talk about sweeteners. I want to stay off them as well as refined sugar. Besides that a lot of them are supposed to not be too healthy themselves or questionable, I just want to get away from that unnatural sweetness. That's just my idea though so don't anyone think I'm criticizing anyone for using sweeteners. In fact, I'm still just doing this for Lent and would like to eventually devise a way to be sugar-free MOST of the time with but ocassional sweets like for special holidays. I'm thinking the only way I might be able to do that is to use some natural sweeteners sometimes, like Stevia. That's used over here more often but you can't get it in the stores. I'm going to have to get some next time I'm in the States.

How many of you are going the whole way, no sweeteners, no dried fruit? What do you think about things with sweetened fruit juice, like the all-fruit jams? I think you're all quite a mixed bunch with your goals and reasons for quitting sugar, am I right? Some are going low-glycemic, some to lose the effects of refined sugar. Those of you wanting to stay away from white bread, is this because of the high-glycemic rating?

02-22-2005, 06:52 PM
Eydie, you have NOT blown it!!!! Weight fluctuates and also it's good to experiment, but so glad you have found a program that works so well for you.

That's kind of the way I feel about Sugar Busters. I'm stickin' to it like glue (and actually going it one better because it's really a lot more lenient than I'm being about some things, especially the sweeteners).

For the record, I just looked at Equal and it also has DEXTROSE in it!!!! Aaaack!

Red Balloon, I am not drinking fruit juice ... too high glycemic, ditto raisins (forbidden on SB), had some dried apricots that are "legal" on SB but they seemed to spike insulin. I guess ya could say I'm going all the way ... I desire to eat NO sugar (or white flour or anything else not legal on SB) except naturally occurring sugar in fruit and dairy ... and pretty much have done so for 38 days. Dunno if I'll ease up at any time in the future as if I do, I know I'll be back in the convenience store within the hour with cupcakes in me hand!!!!!

Re white bread, for me, yes, it's a glycemic issue ... and just an overall lifestyle and health issue.

Well, I have to go do a meeting now. Later, sugar-free gators!

02-22-2005, 07:45 PM
RedBalloon, you can find my plan at Interesting reading, lots of info. :) The best book is "The Sugar Addict's Total Recovery Plan". I could kick myself for deviating from the plan, because it worked for me. Oh well, this is me, crawling back.... :D So all's well.
This is Day 157 of being sugar-free. RedBalloon, I do use natural sweeteners like concentrated fruit juices, date sugar, rice syrup, maple syrup--but only occasionally. These sweeteners don't seem to have the same effect as sugar for me.
When I was eating sugar, I was eating up to 5 sweets per day, but justified it in my head because I chose low-fat things! :dizzy: Feels sooo good to be free of that! I'm staying away from sugar because of I am, frankly, addicted to it. Once I start I can't stop.

Amarantha, Thanks for saying I didn't completely blow it! I needed that. :)

Had some strawberries tonight that were extraordinarily sweet! :love: Who needs sugar?

02-22-2005, 08:05 PM
Hi Eydie, thanks for that explo. I think I'm going to get that book eventually. I think I know WHAT to do but I like rereading things just for the renewed inspiration it gives. Heh, I'm with Amaranth, just forgot to say so. You certainly didn't "blow" anything Eyd. This is not just a weight thing, right? It's about health and energy and feeling good. Remember that! I was sugar-free for a year but because I concentrated on that I ate a lot and didn't lose but that was OK with me because my priority was being sugar-free. Then I thought I better lose the fat and I still wanted something, some reward, some food reward for my efforts and so I started eating sugar again and well, that snowballed, as it does with a drug like refined sugar! So, now, I'm back off it and feeling great. My skin looks great! The puffiness is gone and at 45 I need all the help I can get. So, anyhow, I haven't looked at your program yet but whatever the change was, maybe it was good for you to experiment with it. I'm assuming it was still healthy. I could kick myself for having gone off sugar because I think back now to the sugar-free year and I had tons of energy, my skin was beautiful and I was calm and empowered feeling. I looked and felt vibrant. And then I go back to this drugged out sugar slumming lifestyle but NO, I'm not kicking myself because it was going back to the sugar that has added resolve to my decision to get off the sugar. It makes it so much easier. Now, I think I will be at the point where I can have a bit ocassionally and then really stay away from it because I WANT to stay away from it. And this will surely carry over into other aspects of my eating and my life in general, the way I deal with people or let them deal with me, my goals, my projects, everything, so yeah, anyhow, you go Eydie! Nothing is blown, everything is A-OK!! :sunny:

02-22-2005, 09:07 PM

I went to the and I read we have to eat a nightly potatoe? Is that right? Welcome Redballon!


02-22-2005, 09:21 PM
BTW I forgot to ask, Did anybody watched Oprah yesterday? I did and if that show didn't motivate me to get out of the couch and work out, nothing will. It was about how to look 10 years younger and there were women of all ages. A 41 y/o last year was 30 lbs overweight and decided like me (jaja) to lose the 30 lbs she needed and started to work out with weights and cardio, now she is solid as a rock, with abs like never stretched beyond recognition when pregnant. She also competed in a fitness & muscle competition. Another 50 y/o looked like a 25 y/o. Those women made me feel I can do it! I also joined yesterday the Self challenge from Self magazine. Well, I just wanted to share, I am heading for the treadmill to get my *** in motion......

02-22-2005, 09:25 PM
Earlier in the week or was it last week there was talk of making Ice Cream this summer. I found recipes that may help you to make that a reality. You will have to modify it to fit your life style, the basics are there.
Personally I would not like the cocoa powder flavor with pumpkin. What ever the fruit or vegetable you chose to use would have to be reduced to a much thickened state or you may be able to use one more egg yolk. I'm going to play with this recipe.

Eydie do you consider Honey a natural sugar and would you use it as a sweetener?

Chocolate Pumpkin Ice Cream
3 cups heavy cream
1 cup canned pumpkin
3/4 cup low carb white sweetener
1 tsp. vanilla extract
2 tbsp. cocoa powder
1 tsp. pumpkin spice
4 egg yolks
In saucepan over medium low heat, melt butter. Add all ingredients except egg yolks to saucepan and whisk until blended. While cream mixture is heating, beat egg yolks in separate bowl. Take one cup of heated cream mixture and gradually add to egg yolks while continuously whisking (make sure cream mixture does not come to a boil). After adding cream to egg yolks, pour cream and egg mixture back into saucepan. Over low heat whisk continuously until mixture covers the back of a spoon. Remove pan from heat and cool to room temperature. Once cooled, pour mixture into ice cream machine and mix 8-10 minutes until soft set.

Yields 8 servings (1/2 cup each) - approximately 6.5 net carbs per serving

02-22-2005, 10:24 PM
Wow - I am out of town for the day and so many posts!

Welcome Red balloon and Ali! I just started on this thread on Sunday.

Darlene - Do you mind sharing the lentil/rice recipe? I hope you find a way to substitute in WW for your favorite foods. You would have to really want to give up white flour as that would mean giving up your favs. That's hard! I really do not have many foods made with white flour that I love (most are desserts which go with sugar so that's out) so it was easier for me.

Jana -Thanks for all the recipes! The ice cream sounds so yummy that I may have to find a veggie way to make it down the road.

Red Balloon - I do not eat any sugar (artifical or real). I do plan to slowly add back in fruit sweetners (mostly in my jam for Pn'Js) or in soy milk. I do however eat fresh fruit and fresh-squeezed (no sugar added) juices but no dried fruit (again, maybe down the road). I do think we all vary a little on this but as Amarantha says "NO REFINED SUGAR" :devil:

MP - Congratulations on joining the Self Challenge! Every year, I have thought about doing it but never have - good for you! I wish I had seen Oprah - I am one of those peole that is really motivated by others successes.

Eydie - You did not blow it! 157 days!!!!!! Look at you - that is awesome! You are my inspriation. Our bodies naturally fluctuate as do scales! Don't panic, just go back to what you know has worked and in a couple of weeks - poof, it will be gone.

Amarantha - sounds like you are doing great - no refined sugars and hitting the gym! You sound like me (if I read your post correctly), I have trouble with moderation. If I let my guard down (or my mouth open :D ) I will go full-force with the desserts. It is easier to stick to the rules.

Well, I have made it through Day 3, No refined sugar or white bread. Today, I did not have any bread during the day and that actually worked better. 1) I then did not continue to gorge on bread all-day long and felt better 2) I did not fell guilty having WW bread with dinner. I may try that plan again tomorrow.

02-23-2005, 01:06 AM
Jana, the ice cream recipes looks delicious. I printed it for when I get my ice cream maker ...

Macon, congrats on Day 3!! :cheer: Yup, best to just say no to even a taste o' the stuff, a little just leads to more for me.

RedBalloon, I noticed a distinct drop in puffiness, too. Actually several people mentioned that I'd "lost weight in my face" after the second week.

MP, that's great about joining the Self challenge! :cheer:

To all, mentioned and unmentioned, have a great rest o' the evening or a great Wednesday, depending on when ya see this!!!! :wave: [/color]

02-23-2005, 08:00 AM
Thanks Everyone! I'm definitely going back on my plan, and feel sure I'll be back to 132 pounds in a couple of weeks. [My first goal weight was 135, mow I want to get to 130 lbs---and I'll never ask for more. :D ]

Maria-Paz, about that evening potato, it's for serotonin production during the night to give sugar addicts even more impulse control. The program is set up in 7 steps, and the potato is pretty advanced. I'm on step 5. The ultimate goal of the program is to give up all sugars, even the natural ones that I use. Truthfully, I'm far from that!

Jana, thanks for the ice cream recipe! Yes, i'd use honey ocasionally, but not too often. I have a Donvier ice cream maker, and make ice cream maybe once every 2 weeks. I mostly use date sugar. One thing I found out recently is you can use evaporated skim milk in place of heavy cream--it's a good subtitute.

I guess I'm feeling bad about my weight gain because I'm having my annual doc's appointment today. You know how you always like to go in there at your fighting weight and all. Oh well... :^:

02-23-2005, 08:14 AM
Heh guys, I don't feel at all like writing. I got home to find one of my cats dead, blood all over the place. Looks like the blood came from inside him. Don't know what's wrong and I just feel so sad, in shock, a big beautiful cat. He'd been sick but I thought he was getting better and was going to take him off to the vet tonight. What a shock. It's so sad and I'm just so down. Still didn't pig out or anything. Times like this I don't want to eat at all. Force myself just to keep energy up. I'm a huge animal lover. Had the four cats. Now, just three. He was a big orange tabby and I'd found him nearly dead a few years ago in the middle of the road in a puddle of blood. Nursed him back to health and it took a good year before he could move right from the brain damage. He was such a sweet cat. I'm so sad. :sad:

02-23-2005, 09:09 AM
Redballoon, I'm so sorry about your beloved cat! I know the grief can be as strong as it is for a human friend (something I realized to my surprise when my sweetest kitty died). You can take comfort in the three years of love and care you gave him, though, and I believe he'll always be with you in spirit. :grouphug: I'm like you, can't eat when there's anything really serious that I'm upset about. But, for me, once the crisis is past, watch out :rolleyes:

I'm just flying by... Feeling like I might live today. (Eydie, you're right -- the Nyquil was the answer last night -- wouldn't have slept without it) Had a reasonably good day yesterday. Still not up to much in the line of exercise, but I feel like I need to conserve my energy for getting better.

02-23-2005, 09:57 AM
Red Balloon - :cry: I am so sorry about your cat. It sounds like finding you was a blessing for him (and you :) ). I am sorry you are having to go through this.

Arabella - Sorry you are not feeling well. I think it is wise to cut back on exercise when you sick and give your body a chance to recover.

Eydie - I know exactly what you mean about going to Dr. It seems like it is "on record" and you may not have a chance to change it for a whole year but it is just a really just a number taken in that one minute on one day of the year and no one will probably even look at your chart in that year so no worries. You control the other 364 days of the year and look at all your other accomplishments and be proud!

Amarantha - Thank you for cheering on my few days accomplishments! I am just trying to keep up with the rest of you. :D Thanks for the motivation.

How is everyone else doing?

Does anyone have triggers? I have two - weekends and when I am with my whole family. I have not sorted out exactly why this happens. The weekend I get - reward, downtime, etc. The good news about that is that my husband (who will eat cookie dough for breakfast!) decided the other night to get rid of desserts for awhile as he has gained some weight so not having them in the house on the weekends will help. But, my sister is coming into town next week so I will be with my famly a lot. I love my family but I can not figure why it triggers me to eat - and I don't mean during the meals while there is good food around. I will just go into my mothers house and suddenly, I want to get into her candy stash. :o I think I may try the rubber band trick. Any other suggestions for this first BIG test?

02-23-2005, 10:37 AM
Sorry about thy orange tabby's passing, Red Balloon. I'm also a mom to pets, my Old Dog has been with me since puphood and I also have Silly Cat and one bird now, having lost a bird a few months back. It is hard. What was your tabby's name?

Eydie, you probably won't see this before you go off to doc, but in all honesty, I'd tell him/her that you don't wish to be weighed on the office scale. Just tell 'em what you weigh. I know exactly how you feel ... I only weigh on ONE scale and refuse to budge from that rule. It's only a number and it's not relevant to your health whether you're a few pounds up or down.

Macon, totally can relate to the "family trigger" thingie ... only one thing will help, IMO, and that's just to say NO if they offer you anything, explain why and ask them to help you keep to your plan as it is for your health. :)

Wood Nymph, glad you are feeling better.

Later, gators.

02-23-2005, 11:14 AM
Oh, Red Balloon, I'm so sorry!! How devastating!

Eydie, please don't be hard on yourself! You're doing great! I am not convinced that lowfat eating is necessary to lose weight and maintain weight loss, no matter what the current conventional wisdom is. Your experience confirms my suspicions.

The lentils and rice recipe:
Saute 4-5 large onions in olive oil until carmelized. Put onions and drippings in crockpot.
Rinse and drain 1 and 3/4 cups of dry lentils, add to crockpot.
Rinse and drain 2 cups dry brown rice, add to crockpot.
Add 6 cups of water. Mix everything together. Add salt to taste (the recipe I had didn't call for salt but desperately needed it!!!)
Cook on low for 6 to 8 hours. Top each serving with yogurt. Makes 8-10 servings.

ARabella, I hope you feel better soon.

Yesterday was my first day without white flour, and I feel so much thinner today. Does white flour cause bloating, because I'm sure I didn't lose weight overnight (although that would be nice!)?

Amarantha, I'm curious about the way you follow Sugar Busters--I have the book, but read it a long time ago. Do you limit your starchy carbs to 3 a day( I think that's what the diet proscribes)? Also, does the diet limit fat?

Macon, my sister and my mom are both triggers for me! They live together, and have tons of candy, sweets, and ice cream in their house, and when they come over, they bring these types of things with them. I don't even look at the sweets, and I have sugarless gum with me. But it's hard. I usually end up overeating in an effort to avoid the sweets.

02-23-2005, 11:52 AM
Macon, I sure do have "triggers" -- frustration being a big one. This usually results from me putting family members' needs ahead of my own, having no time or energy to look after myself. I also have the "automatic" triggers -- used to immediately go to my mom's kitchen whenever I visited. Now it depends on how firmly OP I am...

Gypsy (do you mind if I call you "Gypsy?" It just conjures up great images for me) I've had that lentil dish. I also love the plain cooked lentils mixed with well-browned onions. It's such a great, satisfying substitute for meat in a meal. Give me m'judrah with a side salad and I'm happy (So... yeah, I should make that more often)

Amarantha :wave: What a well-balanced pet family you have!

02-23-2005, 12:29 PM
Arabella, you are a woman after my own heart! If you have other recipes for mujadrah, please share! This crockpot version didn't taste as yummy as my MIL's. I liked it, but my husband wouldn't touch it. Nothing like mama's cooking, ya know what I mean?

02-23-2005, 01:38 PM
Redballoon - I am so sorry for your loss. I have 5 pets, 2 cats one also an orange tabby that I adore and is now almost 8 y/o and I got him when he was 2 months, and 3 dogs. can completely relate to your pain. Last summer my whire hair foxterrier got very ill and ended up in the ER, for 3 days they didn't know what she had, her kidneys shut and was dying. Eventually Vet discovered she was poisoned and she may've eaten raisins or grapes that are poison for dogs and my terrier and labs had been snacking in the backyard for days. Cristal was at the hospital for 15 days and I have a bill for $4,000 as statement. I cried and cried thinking she would be gone. Now she is well, needless to say we destroyed the grape vines and we will make sure we dont have them back this next summer. After your initial shock please think that you gave him 3 good years after that rough life he might've had. He will always be around, I do believe cats as humans have a soul that stays around. My heart goes to you.

Gypsy - I am making lentils today and I am trying your recipe.

Eydie - I am going to check the website again and see what are the beginner's steps.

02-23-2005, 02:57 PM
Gypsy, I don't limit carbs in any way. :) The books suggest not eating a lot of bread, that's about it, although some of the things in the books are contradictory, so who knows? It is not a low carb diet. It suggests approximately 40-50 percent of the diet should be in good carbs. The only limits are on "unacceptable" high glycemic foods ... you can't eat 'em! :)

02-23-2005, 08:21 PM
All went well at my doctor's today. He heartily encouraged me to go back on Radiant Recovery--and I am as of today and I can't tell you how good it feels. Ah, I feel like I'm home. :)
The second half of the day I spent at the vet's with my 18 1/2 year old cat. [Yes, that's 18!] She's not eating; it happened last month too and we had to take her to the vet to have fluid injected under her skin to re-hydrate her. The vet said we may opt to do this at home and taught me how to do it today. It wasn't bad and I feel capable. The vet also told me that this may be a sign that she may want to pass on, so we're sad to hear that. She used to be a massive cat and now she's down to 5 pounds and she's lost a pound since January.

RedBallon, I'm so sorry about your cat-friend, more than I can say. Please take care of yourself---we're all thinking of you.

02-23-2005, 09:42 PM
Eydie- Glad the Dr. appt. went well today and that you are happy to be back with your old plan. Also, sorry about your cat (hugs). I have never known an 18 year old cat so you must have really given her a good and healthy home!

MP - Wow - from grapes? Glad she is okay. Aren't pet bills amazing? If we could add those to human bills, I think we would qualify for the tax deduction(not to say that it is not worth every penny but it is expensive).

Darlene - YUM! I am going to try that, thank you.

Thanks for the suggestions on the family trigger. Arabella, yes, staying out of the kitchen would help but we tend to hang-out there. It sounds like you have figured out what emotions lead to the trigger which is way ahead of me. Amarantha - I am determined to NOT binge or eat sugar. I just need to keep chanting it. The gum idea is good too! Thanks.

I do not know where all of you live but I can not wait for spring! We get mild weather for a day or two and then cold again, yuk! I think I actaully eat better once it gets warm - less comfort food. Come on summer!

02-24-2005, 06:31 AM
Thanks people for your kind words. I'm feeling much better now. Will try to get in the swing of things again. Til then, take care and good luck with your sugarfree eating!

02-24-2005, 09:36 AM
Thanks for checking in, RedBalloon. Please continue to let us know how you're doing, okay?

Macon, The thing that works for me with food pushers at family gatherings is telling them, "Nope, can't have that. Doctor's orders". It's worked for years with my mother-in-law! Of course, you may have to make up some affliction. :lol: Sugar-itis maybe?

Gypsy, about the white flour products and bloating: There's a fascinating book called "The False Fat Diet" by Elson Hass, where he explains all that. I'll refer to it today and try to get back with a explanation later.

Did I mention that I'm finally getting my first mammogram Tuesday? I'm kind of scared! :o

02-24-2005, 06:00 PM
Eydie, thanks. I'm not feeling very good, sickish and just down. The weather's not helping. It snowed overnight and snow just stops Tokyo. Now it's raining but there's a lot of snow on the ground and I had planned to get to the gym, which entails a 50-min. walk. I have stayed sugar-free. It's now two weeks and two days. I'm very interested in hearing about the white flour and bloating. Anything to get this fat off. I'm so down about that too. Just got on the scale and I'm way up. My riding boots were really hard to get on yesterday. I'd say it's water weight. Don't know why. Aftereffect of the drinking the other night perhaps. You're so right about the warding off the food pushers. Here, the word "diet" is magic. Diets and losing weight (for a woman) are seen as ultra commendable. Everybody nods with respect when you say you're dieting. I guess it's seen as so respectable because of the discipline involved and also because the Japanese put so much importance on being slim. However, it doesn't work with drinking and THAT'S where your excuse, "doctor's orders" is the only way to stop them from forcing alcohol on you! :lol: You'll be fine Eydie, with your mammogram. Good for you for going.

02-24-2005, 10:05 PM
Red Balloon - Sorry you are not feeling well in addition to everything else. Good for you for staying sugar-free under so much stress! You should feel very proud of yourself. I laughed when I saw you had a 50min. walk just to get to the gym. I am so out of shape that I would walk there and then back (without working out) and think that was great exercise! I love to walk and wish I lived in a "walking" city. Instead I drive everywhere - which explains some of my problem. LOL! As for being depressed about your weight, I think that is normal (becuase it happens to me too! :D ). It is amazing how much a number can affect how I feel for the rest of the day. May I ask if you are japanese or an ex-pat.?

Edyie - Great idea! I love "sugar-itis." My family is wierd. No one is overweight and some are downright obsessed with it but they also want you to eat. Umm...skinny and pigging out do not go together but I do think I will find some "quasi-medical" excuse! :D As for mammogram - I have had 2 (Breast Cancer runs in my family so I think I was probably 28 when I had my first one). I was so nervous but it really isn't bad. Kind of like pap - its cold and uncomfortable but usually over pretty quickly. Good Luck and I agree - good for you for getting one and taking care of yourself!

Does the book deal with all flour or just white flour? I am thinking (i.e.trying to get the courage to say this out loud and stick to it) that I may give up flour for awhile and see it my body feels better. I think I said before that I have as much problem with whole wheat as white. Lucky me!! :o

How is everyone else today?

02-25-2005, 07:26 AM
Thanks Macon, I feel better now. I did make it to the gym after all. Put my winter boots on and trudged through the slop. Made fine time. Just before I got there I did feel funny and sat down on a bench but pulled myself together and went on. I didn't do much at the gym actually, pedaled for what was supposed to be 100 cal. loss on the bike, did some leg weight training, stretching.

Yes, it's good to be in a walking city. The driving is really the reason for so much of the weight problems I think, even more perhaps than overeating. Even here, I have to force myself to walk as it is easy to hop trains and buses everywhere. Still, one probably still gets a lot of exercise just getting to the train stations etc. I'm American by the way but not an ex-pat, which to me means someone transferred by their company. I'm just on my own, struggling. I'm originally from Pittsburgh, been here over 20 years. Don't know why, just did all sorts of things and then got stuck kind of. Where on the East Coast are you from Macon, if you don't mind saying?

I was thinking about that book Eydie mentioned, the False Fat Diet and I looked it up on Amazon. I once did McDougall's and the weight just dropped off me, so fast, it was scary. But I didn't stay on it long. It was just too weird for me. I was craving all those foods I always eat, which is probably why I can't see to lose weight. Of course, I am very short, 5' 1 1/2" but still, the fat seems to just really, really stick to me and I'm starting to wonder if I have serious food sensitivities. I really hear you when you hesitate to say you'll give up flour! :lol: I hestitate to say I'll give up white flour, though I have done it before for a while. But, flour, wow, that would be tough and yet I think this could well be linked to my seeming inability to lose fat. Let's see. There was a time some years ago, when I gave up white flour but still was eating some white rice and buckwheat flour, walking a whole lot, riding a whole lot (horses) but still drinking lots of beer. The weight was melting off me. Of course, that could have been all the exercise. But it was coming off with ease it seemed. Now, I just don't seem to lose it even though I do think I'm walking. I would love to dare to get rid of flour just to see what happens.

Has anyone else done this? Macon, do you want to give it a try together sometime, just for a short time, set number of days, kind of do it together? Oh, by the way, I'm vegetarian too. I know Eydie is, who else here is vegetarian (and I mean No fish, so many people say veggie even though they eat fish)? I am lacto-ovo.

02-25-2005, 08:31 AM
Hey all! I feel like a bit of a fraud being on this thread, when I've been so off-p the past week. Yesterday I had pecan pie with ice cream and hot chocolate with a shot of whiskey in it for dinner -- Seriously! :eek: And it wasn't as good as I thought it would be. I'm going to at least get the sugar out again today and then going back to South Beach induction again (as part of the Oprah boot camp thing) Monday. It's just hard to feel together enough to focus when I'm sick (why can't I be one of those people that just loses their appetite when ill? :rolleyes: )

I was reading (trying to remember where -- in a magazine, maybe?) about the green tea thing. The doctor who proposes this diet says you can lose 10 pounds in 6 weeks by substituting green tea for coffee. Sounds hard to believe, but I guess coffee affects insulin. Hmmmm... I KNOW I feel better after drinking green tea than coffee. Trying to gear up to do that -- it's just getting over the initial hump, I think.

Re: flour -- I think it's good to avoid if you're trying to lose weight. Just the fact that it's ground so finely means we'll digest it very quickly. I think after the SB induction I'm going back to WW core program, which I found very livable.

Eydie, thanks for mentioning that book -- I found it at the library here and put in a request for it. I've heard of the "false fat" concept before and think it makes some sense. Congrats on your Dr.'s appointment -- doesn't it feel good to have it over!

02-25-2005, 11:33 AM
Hi, everyone! Hope you're all doing well. I'm a bit sleep-deprived. My one-year-old's sleeping habits are off. He was up from about 12-3:30 last night, wanting to play.

I haven't had white flour since Monday, and a few people asked me yesterday if I've lost weight. I'd lost 22 pounds prior to giving up white flour, but no one's noticed until now (except my husband).

ARabella, you're not a fraud! There's no requirement to be completely sugar-free here. In fact, I'm planning to have a dessert on my birthday next month.

Eydie, good luck with your mammogram. I hadn't heard about "false fat." I'm wondering if I'm sensitive to anything else. I've always suspected dairy, but I eat so much of it (I don't eat much meat), and I don't eat soy, that I don't know what I'd eat!

02-25-2005, 12:05 PM
Hello Everyone,

Redballon - Sorry to hear you lost you cat, my heart goes out to you. We do not have any pets except fish (A safe bet when one has allergies that include cats) they however are not warm and cuddly. I would much rather has a cat with attitude.

Eydie - having a mammogram maybe unpleasant, the peace of mind that comes from having it makes it all worth while. Good Luck

Macon - when Iím around food pushers I tell them it not on my diet and I take along food that I can eat just in case. As a family we all contribute to what ever the event is with a food of our choice.

Arabella - itís probably a good thing that pecan pie etc. wasn't as good as you thought it would be, Hope you feel better soon.

Today I weighed in down 51/2 :flow1: pounds this week form last week.

Wednesday I had my appointment with the cornea specialist and set a date for the transplant surgery. She gave no promises that I will have great vision after but it will be a big improvement for me knows matter the outcome. I have a lot of scar tissue on my cornea due to two different things going on in my eye. Also found out that my left eye will also have to be done at sometime. Its is wonderful that eye care has come this far, to be able to restore eye site, if it were not for these advances in the field it would be only a matter of time before I would be totally blind.

Itís the last Friday of the month which is our Soup & Sandwich fund raiser for our new parish hall. I have cream of potato soup and 3 peach pies to make. Better get cooking.

Everyone have a good week-end.

JanThere is always the battle to be fought before the victory is won.

02-25-2005, 02:31 PM
Jana - :cheer: Congratulations on the loss! That is fantastic!
AS for your upcoming surgery - good luck. It really is amazing how far technology/medicine has come. Really is life-changing.

Darlene :dancer: 5 days white-flour free is great - and while sleep-deprived! 22 pounds is amazing. I think sometimes people are hestitant to comment - they do not wish to imply that you needed to lose weight but I think it is a great motivator. Congrats and keep it up!

Arabella - You are not a fraud, you just need to find what works for you! Just try to get better! My husband always jokes that during Lent, Sundays don't count so if you gave up sugar, you could still have it on Sundays. Not trying to create a religious discussion but it does point out the flaw in "anything-free." For some, it could led to binging so maybe say every 2 weeks, you can have a treat. I am the opposite, once I have a little, I want a lot! :o We are all differnet though so don't feel bad.

Red Balloon - What is McDougall's? I will go look it up when I have a chance. I would love a flour-free buddy. Maybe try it for 2 weeks starting Sunday or Monday? Anyone else? I will still have occasionally brown rice and maybe oatmeal if I am struggling but no flour (whole wheat, white, whatever). Anyone else want to join??

As for diet, I will eat fish (rarely but if I am in restaurant that is meat-centered, that is what I get) but no other meat, and a little cheese. I never drink milk or eat eggs but maybe a few times a month have had a product with those in it.

RB - I am in North Carolina but have been going to Asia (Hong Kong, China, Taiwan mostly) for the past 20 years. I have only been to Tokyo once (not counting lay-overs). That is fascinating that you ended up there! Good for you for being so courageous.

Edyie - I hope you had a great day!

Amarantha - How are you? Is today Day 40?? If so, congratulations! I am only on day 6 but hope to get to day 40~

02-25-2005, 03:57 PM
Sorry I haven't gotten back with any info from The False Fat Diet. My intentions were good and remain so. I'll see what I can do.

Macon, where are you in NC? I'm in Virginia, very close to North Carolina. We live far out in the country, and go to Greensboro or Winston-Salem very often for our 'city-fix'! Going to Greensboro tomorrow actually!

Garry's birthday is Monday. I asked him what sort of birthday cake he wanted, and he said "something without sugar!" That kind of surprised me--but he's been going along with me on not eating sugar. So I made a rice syrup sweetened chocolate cake for him, the icing's going to be alittle trickier. I don't have all the ingredients for it, will do that part tomorrow.

Arabella, you're not a fraud. Put that out of your mind! :lol:

02-25-2005, 04:50 PM
Macon, quick note. Here is a link for one of McDougall's books. This is a totally vegan way of eating, but it was the best I have ever felt, the fat melted off me. This is my ideal and what I think I will be striving for again.

And here's the link to the McDougall center:

Others! Good morning. Will try to talk to you all later! :wave:

02-26-2005, 09:50 AM
Hi all! I love all the input on various plans here. I've just got a second, but wanted to post this link I found to a Q&A about the false fat diet: I know that everything she says about it is true for me when I follow that kind of diet (although I haven't gone as far as the combining aspects of it). Have a great day, all!

02-26-2005, 12:07 PM
Hello all!

KInd of at loose ends .... Dh got involved in 2 or 3 little projects and just NOW a big deal but I thought he'd leave hours ago and be back about now..

SO... I am just finished w/ lunch and needing to go find some safe hot soup to
feel full...

craving sweet and made a big mistake bringing whipped topping into the house... short story... its gone...

I am interested in the links ... will check them out asap.

Just wanted to stick my head in and say hello... Have done ok on the daily stuff White Carb stuff, I think the cravings are TOM.....

Tea anyone?

02-26-2005, 09:50 PM
Also posted a version of this in my journal in the land far far away:

Farewell ... on this, the end of six weeks of the sugarless state (not to mention white flour, white pasta, white potatoes et al), WE (the entity known as ???) feel the need to say a final farethewell to the world's supply of candy, to the dulce de leche, to Krispy Kreme, to the CUPCAKE!

WHAT, you say! We thought you said good-bye to these old friends six whole weeks ago. What gives?

Well, yes, we did quit keepin' company with our old merrie sugary 'n refined companions of yore! We gave 'em the heave-ho from our menu and looked the other way when we saw 'em in the street.

But we've been thinkin' of 'em today (especially CUPCAKE) and wondering what it'd feel like now to patch up our old relationship and go on as we were. We've been thinkin' how jolly our erstwhile sweet friends were when we got together.

It wouldn't take much. Get the purse, get the car keys, drive to the place where the ol' pals hang out, decked in their colorful clothing bearing the logo EAT ME! I'M GOOD!!! I WILL MAKE YOU HAPPY FOREVER!!!!

But we're afraid we have to pass on makin' that drive.

"You can't go home again," somebody said. (Actually it was Thomas Wolfe.)

Old friendships are never the same when ya try to get 'em going again.

CUPCAKE, we wish ye well, we hope ye'll be swell.


02-27-2005, 01:33 AM
Too funny Amarantha!! :rofl: Really, I was wondering at first what you were doing. Was a bit confused and was thinking you were going to say hello again after all! It sounds like quite an affair you were having there! And yes, the temptation to go back does come up, doesn't it? Well, you're a better woman than I! And you have much more courage! Best of luck and I hope you find satisfying and even more fulfilling friendships on your new path!

02-27-2005, 07:58 AM
Arabella, thanks so much for providing that link! I haven't done the food combining either, doesn't feel necesarry for me. I will tell everyone that within days of dropping white sugar I miraculously felt lean. That 'bloated' feeling that I'd walked around with for years was gone, and as long as I don't overeat it remains gone. What freedom!

Let me ask you if you've had this experience: You get dressed in the morning, check yourself out in the ol' full length mirror and everything looks good, belly profile even nice and flattish. As the day goes on, you catch your profile reflected somewhere and in a couple of hours you've developed a pronounced belly 'pooch'. That used to happen to me all the time and it was so frustrating! It HAD TO be the sugar, because it doesn't happen anymore. All that sugar fermenting away and distending everything maybe?

Hi Kaylets!

Amarantha, Just wanted to say agin again that it's totally normal to have those feelings toward sweets. They'll still try to hook you. I've experienced it lately. Nothing to do but just say no, not for me! It happened to me yesterday when I saw a new candy bar that I'll never get to try!
And you're SOOOOO RIGHT about how you can't go back to old friendships. I tried to do that recently--with a human not a cupcake, :lol: and it was just sad and maddening. As it always had been. Only now it's diamond clear! I'll have to write you about the whole sorry tale sometime...

Congratulations on your 6-week anniversary! :strong: :bravo: :cheers: :encore: :cheer:

Oh one more thing, I bought a used Pilates machine yesterday and I think I'm going to love it!

02-27-2005, 08:07 AM
I have a question for anyone who can answer it. Do you think that my body's stubbornness in holding on to fat (that's what it seems to be to me!) can be due to food sensitivities, allergies? I mean, I can understand bloating or a bit of water retention but not an outright inability to lose fat, right? I suppose I'm just not trying hard enough, but it really seems that I have cut out a ton of calories through not eating sugar, and yet, I see no loss, in fact, I see a gain. And my clothes are not especially looser. Could I be retaining water due to the foods I'm eating yet still be losting fat? I don't know, just am so frustrated and ready to throw in the towel! Help!

02-27-2005, 11:02 AM
Amarantha - you are so funny! I have not had those moments with sugar but I am sure I will! Congratulations on the 6 weeks!!! :cheer: And for saying good-be to your relationship with the cupcake.

Edyie - I am in Raleigh but went to grad school at Wake in Winston so sort of know that area. I am scared of Greensboro - it has grown so much and I always get turned around. Are you up 29? I think that area is so pretty in the fall. Maybe because it is at the edge of the mountains? It's gorgeous!
Also, if your cake and icing turn out well, will you please share your recipe?
Congrats on the new pilates machine!

Red Balloon - I feel like that sometimes. I have a friend who was a little overweight for years and one day she decided that was it. It took her many months but she lost the 40 or so pounds down to a healthy weight (she did WW). Anyway, she always said it took her a long time to put it on and knew it would take awhile to take it off. So that is one way to look at it. Also, while I believe my problem is simply too many calories in, too little energy burned, I do think there are a few people out there who have medical condition/genes that make it harder for them to lose weight. Have you had bloodwork/thyroid/ etc. tested? I am having the same problem, and thinking that sugar/white flour is not my only problem (see below). Don't give-up!! I think there are always challenges. Maybe set a small time goal and then just eat according to your plan for that time frame but don't think about anything else (scales, tight clothes, etc.). See how you feel at the end of the time frame.

Hi Kaylets!

Arabella - Thanks for the link. I actually went and got his book yesterday.

I have decided that my 'cupcake" is wheat! I gave up sugar last Sunday and have been fine but instead of eating less, I just fill up on any whole wheat bread I can find. Friday night I was miserable - so bloating and still craving whole wheat bread. I woke up on Saturday and decided that was it. So, I gave up all wheat products!! My goal is to try it for 2 weeks. I have eaten some brown rice and plan to eat oatmeal but all other wheat (even disguised in my other products) are gone! I am reading False Fat but as I do not eat meat, I probably will keep some of those things - like peanuts, corn (real whole corn, not corn-based products). Tomorrow, I am also going to give up juice (just for two weeks). I am my own guinea pig! :D

02-27-2005, 06:28 PM
Good morning people. Monday here, distracting myself further with posting when I should be doing some work before going to the office! Oh well.

Eydie, don't those Pilates machines take up an awful lot of space? Maybe there are a few different ones. They look some sort of torture contraption! :lol: I hope you like it and will get use out of it. I have never been able to get into Pilates. It's so frustrating, the total opposite of my personality I think. Maybe that's what I need! Yikes, seeing a new candy bar and knowing you'll never get to try it. I don't think I could do that. You're brave. I hear you on the relationships and trying to start again. It is sad. Hope you're ok now!

Macon -- thanks for the encouragement. I think I'm still somehow packing in the calories, though I find that hard to believe. Maybe I just need more time. Wow, good luck on the no wheat products. I'm afraid to do it just yet. If I gave up all sugar AND all wheat I wouldn't have anything to eat unless I really prepared my foods I think. Nah, heck, that's just an excuse. I could do it. The thing is, the wheat (as in rice crackers) have become the thing I turn to instead of sugar). It's the only thing I have. But that is probably what is stopping the weight loss. I may start small and do it for a day or two this week. You are my inspiration! Good luck, Macon. :cp:

02-28-2005, 10:06 AM
Good morning! Amarantha, your little experiment has become a very active thread. Do you think we should start doing a weekly thread?

I had a temptation laden weekend. On Saturday, I ate my usual white-flour treat that I talked about earlier, and then ended up eating a few more white flour foods that day. Saturday night we went over to visit some friends, and the wife was pushing a very delicious looking cake on me. I told her no, but she cut me a piece anyway. My one-year-old thought the cake looked good, too, and had a few bites, but I'm happy to report that I did not. I left rest of that sorry piece of cake right there on the plate. Then Saturday night I dreamt that was eating cake!!!

The trauma continued on Sunday. I went to my sister-in-law's, and she had all these yummy looking pastries. But I successfully refused them all. The bad thing is, when I'm faced with a lot of temptation, I end up overeating in an effort to avoid the forbidden stuff.

02-28-2005, 12:10 PM
I LOVE MY NEW PILATES MACHINE!!!!! :D It takes up a lot of room, but it folds up small and will fit in the coat closet. I've done the mat exercises for a few years and the machine really has a different feel. Last October I taught a Pilates class at work and am scheduled to teach again in May. I've got to get into "teaching" shape again--I don't want to be a flabby instructor! :lol:

RedBalloon, the weight loss thing is so confusing. I don't know what to say. With my program I'm eating about 300 more calories every day, and exercising less, and I lost weight pretty effortlessly--so go figure. :dizzy: Kinda flies in the face of everything I'd ever thought about weight loss. I understand your frustration. I thought for years that I should be an absolute stick because of all I do! Don't give up--just keep reading and trying new things.

I'm glad that we had some people over last night to help us eat Garry's birthday cake. It turned out really good, and begs me to partake of it. So even though it's sweetened with rice syrup it's turned out to be a real trigger for me. That is, it makes me just want more!

It's snowing like crazy here! We're snowed in for sure--I even had to cancel my mammogram appointment. [Don't worry, I've rescheduled for the March 14th!]

Gypsy, good job on dodging all the desserts! :)

02-28-2005, 12:40 PM

Sorry to hear you had a difficult week-end, you were put to the test and over came the temptations. :bravo: Not everyone has that kind of will power. More power to you!!

Are you sure you over ate or are just being hard on yourself? Even if you over ate they were the right kinds of foods for you. :)

As long as we are only dreaming foods that we have chosen to leave behind us it is ok that we crave them in our dreams. They can not set us back only make us stronger in our resolve to stay on our given plans & prove to ourselves that we can be tempted and we can also overcome those temptations set before us. Hang in there and have a really good week and give that baby a hug for me I real miss having toddlers. Enjoy everyday. :wave:

During trying times, keep trying!

02-28-2005, 03:19 PM
Oh one more thing, I bought a used Pilates machine yesterday and I think I'm going to love it![/QUOTE]


What kind of Machine did you buy? I have 2 reformers at home. The Allegro Reformer is installed in the dinning room that I use frequently, huge machine. I have tapes, dvds and manuals that I got when I got my certification for Pilates Instructor through Polestar.

02-28-2005, 04:36 PM
In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth and populated
Earth with broccoli, cauliflower and spinach, green and yellow and red
vegetables of all kinds, so Man and Woman would live long and healthy

Then using God's great gifts, Satan created Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream
Krispy Creme Donuts. And Satan said, "You want chocolate with that?"
And Man
said, "Yes!" and Woman said, "and as long as you're at it, add some
sprinkles." And they gained 10 pounds. And Satan smiled.

And God created the healthful yogurt that Woman might keep the figure
Man found so fair. And Satan brought forth white flour from the wheat,
sugar from the cane and combined them. And Woman went from size 6 to

So God said, "Try my fresh green salad." And Satan presented
Dressing, buttery croutons and garlic toast on the side. And Man and
unfastened their belts following the repast.

God then said, "I have sent you heart healthy vegetables and olive oil
which to cook them." And Satan brought forth deep fried fish and
chicken-fried steak so big it needed its own platter. And Man gained
weight and his cholesterol went through the roof.

God then created a light, fluffy white cake, named it "Angel Food
Cake," and
said, "It is good." Satan then created chocolate cake and named it

God then brought forth running shoes so that His children might lose
extra pounds. And Satan gave cable TV with a remote control so Man
would not
have to toil changing the channels. And Man and Woman laughed and
before the flickering blue light and gained pounds.

Then God brought forth the potato, naturally low in fat and brimming
nutrition. And Satan peeled off the healthful skin and sliced the
center into chips and deep-fried them. And Man gained pounds.

God then gave lean beef so that Man might consume fewer calories and
satisfy his appetite. And Satan created McDonald's and its 99-cent
cheeseburger. Then said, "You want fries with that?" And Man replied,
And super size them!" And Satan said, "It is good." And Man went into
cardiac arrest.

God sighed and created quadruple bypass surgery.

Then Satan created HMOs.

Thought for the day ....

There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today
than on
Alzheimer's research. This means that by 2040, there should be a large
elderly population with perky boobs and huge erections and absolutely
recollection of what to do with them.

If you don't send this to five old friends right away there will be
five fewer people laughing in the world

02-28-2005, 10:29 PM
Hope no one minds, but wanted to share my journal entry for today so just pasting it in here, too:

This is Day 44 ... think that's right ... and an odd thing happened. Had a very brutal morning (HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE PROFESSION I AM IN) ... and came home to work in the afternoon. After work finished I went to the drugstore, still upset by some things that had happened (nothing new for me to be upset) ... well, here is the odd thing, I haven't been in that drugstore since before Sugar Busters ... I used to go there when upset (or its counterpart in whatever area I was working in) and walk around and look at all the pretty candy, cakes, SUGAR stuff in its bright wrappers ... today I did that, contemplating once again whether that "medication" would help me feel better ... but for some odd reason, I again went into that "alien" state of mind: I was a visitor in an exotic culture whose strange food didn't interest me. I bought macadamia nuts and ate about 1/6 of the small jar in the car, then came home and had sprouted toast and skim milk.

I will be taking a mental health day tomorrow. Maybe I'll look at the sugar stuff again.

Still mad at the world, but my blood sugar's stable and my new jeans fit.

In a month, I don't think I'll remember what Cupcake looked like.

Life's sad sometimes.

P.S. Sorry for lack of personal replies, I'm a bit overwhelmed by life sometimes. :)

Gypsy, weekly threads would be good or however anyone wants to do it, IMO.

Dani: I'd love to have a reformer ... I think the Pilates machines are being used more often again, rather than just the mat ... they are fascinating.

Eydie: I used to think rice syrup was ok but now it seems highly sweet to me (not that I've eaten any for ages). I know Sugar Busters just considers it a sugar ... well Sugar Busters considers most things sugar ...

RB: I'm kind of having the same experience as E with weight. It's coming off slowly but steadily now and I'm actually eating a bit more on most days ... of course, not bingeing is bringing the cal count down. In Sugar Busters you don't count cals (they're a myth, according to the authors) but I do ... anyhow, the weight loss is now effortless ... and I am eating wheat, BTW.

Macon, have you tried barley as an option instead of the brown rice? It's really healthy and low glycemic and sort of tastes good ... it may be an acquired taste. I think I like it.


02-28-2005, 11:00 PM
((Hugs)), Amarantha. Sorry you had a bad day, but way to go in not bingeing on sugar because of it.

Jana--thanks for sharing that story. Very funny!

No time to respond more thoroughly now--I'll see y'all tomorrow.

02-28-2005, 11:03 PM
Edyie - Glad you love your new machine! I heard you all got a lot of snow - it is cold and raining here which makes me want comfort food but luckily, work was so busy that I did not have time to think about it. Where is spring?? That is great that you are teaching Pilates at work. That would be a real motivator. You continue to amaze me - I still can't get over the "never going to meet the candy bar" declaration!

Jana - Thanks for the funny story!

MP - Which machine do you like best?

RB - How are you today? I will not give up wheat for forever. I am just trying to see what works best for my body and then find a balance.

Darlene - Good for you for turing down the cake and sweets. It is so hard while you are mentally trying to not eat something tempting but after you went home, did you not feel so proud of yourself?! Just enjoy it in your dreams! :D I think this has come up beofre but I think we are all different. If you have the ability to eat one small piece of chocolate or whatever a day or once a week, I think that is great and that is the plan that works for you.
I do not have that ability (I am definitely an "all-or nothing" girl!).

Amarantha - First, sorry work is so stressful! Is there any hope of changing that in the near future? Second, that is great that your body is now choosing better foods, especially when you feel stressed! Your "just say no" seems to be working! And I am follwing in your footsteps! :D

I quit drinking OJ today and I have to say - that was HARD! Sugar, okay, wheat, fine, but OJ - apparently, we have a special friendship! LOL. I made it through the day but I was SO GRUMPY this morning! Hopefully, tomorrow will be better. I think I was just replacing craving sweets with a glass of OJ so this week sugar-free will be a lot harder.

03-01-2005, 08:38 AM
Maria-Paz, my machine is made by Stamina Products--a reformer-style machine, I love the fact that it folds up, otherwise I wouldn't have room for it. Tell me about your certification. Did you have to travel for it? I'd really like to be certified someday, but have never really looked into it. A friend went for her yoga certification and it took forever, lots of travel, lots of money.

Jana, great story! :lol:

Amarantha, I know what you mean about the 'alien state of mind'. When I was eating sugar, I guess I didn't realize how sugar is everywhere. I thought it was fun to wander around and find my 'special treat'. Now all the displays seem...well, obscene.
Sorry work is difficult now. Do you have a plan to get out?

Macon, yes, we have about 8" of snow and will be staying home again today. About the orange juice, do you think you could compensate by eating oranges. If you've never tried clementines, they're great. Nice and sweet and easy to peel!

03-01-2005, 09:47 AM
Edyie - I LOVE clementines. I buy them by the box at Whole Foods and always have some in my fridge. It's just not like my OJ. I drink Indian River OJ and it is just the best. Ahh...Can you tell I am having another rough morning? :dizzy:

Hope everyone has a good day!

03-01-2005, 12:50 PM
Eydie - I got my certification through B.Body. They have several Seminars all over the country, you have to choose one that it is close to you. In my case they had one here in Denver 3 times a year, so I attended to the whole seminar. Once each 2 months I believe.
For certification...

Macon - Stay away from OJ, Sabotaging Devil for any diet. As Dr. Agaston from the SB Diet says "You need 5 oranges at least to fill one glass of OJ, imagine the amount of calories you are putting in yourself with one glass". He suggests to put a slice of lemon in a glass of water. Maybe you can do the same with an orange slice. I have been buying flavored water in Costco, great flavors with just 1 calorie in a bottle and sweetened with Splenda.

What Pilates Machine I like the best? I am not sure, all serve a different purpose. The trapeze/cadillac is like the reformer but has pilars, you can hang yourself from legs and arms from the top, very good to do excercises like in a trapeze.
I would love to have a barrel to do abdominals and side abs., but I use my ballance or stability ball to do the same excercise with no money invested.

Amarantha - I know what you mean about the Pilates Machines. They are also more accesible than in the past, if you get one that is not brand. I have a couple that I will list on ebay and see what happens.


03-02-2005, 04:31 PM
Hi there all. Sorry, I just haven't had enough time to post. Will try to catch up later. Wanted to say that yesterday I cleared my three-week mark off sugar! Yeah!! AND, I am able to fit into my pants better. Seem to be losing the weight mostly around my waist and butt. I do not have sugar cravings anymore either. But I know this is a dangerous time as we start to think "just a little bit" won't matter. It won't . . . the thing is, it never stays at just a "little bit!!" Best of luck to you all!

03-02-2005, 05:41 PM
RB - :cheers: That is fabulous! And congratulations on fitting into your pants better - a true reward for all your hard work and discipline! Thanks for the inspiration!

MP - wow - "You need 5 oranges at least to fill one glass of OJ, imagine the amount of calories you are putting in yourself with one glass". That is a scary statement and will help me when I am having a craving. Thanks!

How is everyone else?

03-03-2005, 09:57 AM
Congratulations, RB! I'm doing OK, although I think I ingested some sugar unwittingly yesterday. We often go to Starbucks for coffee, and they had samples of coffee cake, and I gave one to my son, who fortunately doesn't care much for sweets. I think he shoved some of the coffee cake into my coffee cup while I wasn't looking because there were crumbs in my cup. Well, now that I think about it, I hope that's what happened and the mystery "crumbs" didn't have a more unappetizing source. Not doing well with avoiding white flour. I think I ate a whole pizza yesterday. :(

03-03-2005, 10:09 AM
Congratulations, RB, on hitting the three week mark!!!

:cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

Gypsy, the "crumb" experience would put me off Starbuck's forever! :lol: Well, I'm already off of it forever as they don't have anything of value to my bod to offer me! :)

To all, mentioned and unmentioned, I gotta go but have a great day!

03-03-2005, 07:50 PM
Morning people. Trying to catch up here. Have to reaffirm my commitment to staying off sugar. I kind of looked the other way yesterday when I bought some bread. It wasn't sweet so I'll ignore it but I shouldn't even be ignoring these things. I have to look for it but there is bread out there that doesn't list any sugar on the label and that is what I'll have to seek out if I'm going to have the stuff. It's just so hard. I am so sick of the way sugar is in virtually everything. Sugar, sugar, sugar, you would think the stuff was natural. It's NOT! When I think of the way I grew up, back in the '60s, lots of homemade baked goods, pies, cakes, cookies. I have some of the recipes, well, they haven't changed, have they? Loads of sugar! Why were we doing this? Did people really think it was all sweetness equals goodness equals love and affection?!!? Was this the propaganda of the food industry? Where did this come from? Makes me really pissed! Anyhow, ok, thanks for allowing me my little rant. If that's how I can reaffirm this commitment then so be it!

Snowing out there. Ugh. Have to trudge to work in this. Tokyo is not equipped for snow at all.

Amarantha -- thanks for the lovely red congratulatory message! As for Starbucks, they are big here now too. I have stayed away from all the yummy looking cakes (oh yes, I did have some lemon stuff before my Lenten sugar abstinence. That was good) but I did allow myself some scones. Now that I think of it, they aren't even that good. Why doesn't someone come out with some really good tasting sugarfree things? Perhaps it's too expensive. Sugar is dirt cheap and I guess that's why they use it as filler.

Gypsy -- thanks for the congrats too. That's funny with your Starbucks mystery crumbs tale. Amazing that your son doesn't like sweets. Good for him! White flour would be so hard to avoid unless you do all your own cooking. I don't know about in the States, but things listed as wholewheat or brown rice are often just partially containing such. They don't have to be 100 percent. Is it that way there? Well, good luck, Gypsy, you sound like you are totally resolved about the sugar. How long have you been off it?

Macon -- Thank you as well. I tried my pants on again this morning after they'd been washed. I can still do the zip up. I went to the store and bought some new pants yesterday because, well, because the wearable ones are ripped and the others I have are too small. Funny how they seem to always shrink! ;) I hate clothes shopping. I can feel good about myself and then I see myself in those mirrors in the dressing rooms and I want to cry, really want to cry. I think, what's the use, I will never be happy with what I see in the mirror. Why is that? Why can I be happy with what I see in the mirror at home and yet not in the locker room? Everything, not just my fat, but my skin, my hair, everything. Maybe it's the light. But which do people see outside? Why should I care? Still, how do I prevent myself from getting discouraged because I see everything I don't like still? Good luck Macon on staying off OJ. I heard it is just as bad as sugar too as far as boosting your insulin levels. Someone had suggested mixing it with club soda. Maybe you could try that to wean yourself from it.

03-03-2005, 09:20 PM
Hi everyone--forgive me for not responding pesonally. I'm feeling very sad and out-of-it. We had to say good-bye to our 18 1/2 year old cat today. She'd stopped eating and drinking, was getting really wobbly, and just wasn't "there" anymore. We took her to our vet who was lovely and said all the right things. Lots of tears but a gentle passing and a nice burial at home.
The living room seems rather empty now becasue we'd been so focused on her for the past few weeks. We know we did the right thing for her, but still it's hard to let go.

It's a **** of a time for me to be sugar-free. I've been truly craving it for the past few days! Visions of sugarplums.....Just wanted the comfort, and to take the edge off--but I didn't give in! I even forgot to eat today. Tomorrow will be better.

Thanks for being here!

03-03-2005, 10:02 PM
Eydie, I'm so sorry to hear about your cat's passing. I DO know very well how you feel. My thoughts are with you today. Hug.

03-03-2005, 10:02 PM
Refined Sugar Sucks!!!!!!!!!!! Dont Give Into Tempation!!!!!!!

03-03-2005, 10:37 PM

I am so sorry for your Cat. Gosh, reading about you and Macon makes me think how fragile life is....

03-04-2005, 06:26 AM
Hello all!...

Eydie-- so sorry to hear about your cat! I can't think of any appropriate words.... am sending a big hug !

The sugar cravings you mentioned tie in with a study I read about how the brain deals with stress, the brain uses lots of glucose and in turn, signals the body for more glucose .....
Knowing this hasnt really helped me much--- I very rarely think ' this is just a natural stress response of me brain"-- .....

In fact, this morning, I am not quite sure why my brain cant' put a few sentences together...

Empress-- hats off to you for your long string of days put together w/o sugar.... sure seems a long,long time ago when we were discussing the pros and cons of liquid meal drinks.....

To everyone... take care!

03-04-2005, 09:17 AM
Eydie, so sorry that yesterday was the day for the good-bye. Wish I could help you more but there are no adequate words.

You did great to not cave in to the Sugar :devil: ... kudos on that victory!

Welcome, Gia! I agree with your postie, the Sugar :devil: does s**k! :wave:

Hi, :queen: K, yep a long time. My liquid diet drink now is skim milk!

In fact it got me through a difficult Day 47 yesterday when I wanted to give in all day, especially about 10 p.m. when I was returning from a meeting. But somehow I did not. I stopped and bought a bottle of ff milk, as I hadn't had enough to eat ... and that did the trick.

Today is Day 48. :)

To all, mentioned and unmentioned, :wave:

03-04-2005, 10:12 AM
(((Edyie)))) I am so sorry about your cat. It sounds as though you gave her the most loving and caring home. And what enormous will-power you showed during such a difficult time!

RB - I think most women do not like clothes shopping - even thin,toned women (esp. as we age). Part of it is the lightening/coloring in those rooms that make you look pasty. Obviously, a lot of it is psychological. We have got to learn to love ourselves. Just look at your accomplishments and FEEL PROUD!

Amarantha - Yipee- day 48! What great inspriation - coming home at 10:00 at night from a long day would certainly be a weak point for me.

Gia - I agree! Very awful stuff!

Kaylets - thanks for the stress/sugar info. Maybe knowing why it is happening will help us say "no!"

MP - I hope you are doing well!

Darlene - Funny Starbucks story! Great job on the sugar-free.

I am on day 5 of no OJ!! Still not completely over it but am determined to get it out of my system. I also spent all day with my mother and sister. When I first went in her house, it was lunch time and my neices were eating. I immediately wanted to snack but decided to face my demons and say no! The moment passed and the rest of the day, we were gone from the house so it was easier. It is definitely a trigger and I am sure there is some emotional reason - maybe comfort of my youth?? So strange but regardless -I am keeping away from the sugar and flour! :devil: And OJ! :D

I think it was RB who asked about the sugar in everything. I agree and it mkaes it hard. I have read several books that discuss food history (esp. USA) and I think it may have been "fat land" that explained how we keep adding sugar and additives to our foods. You are correct, part of it is that it is cheap. Also, companies sub-out items. More sugar derived ingrediants for less fat. Or cheaper fats that are not good for you. Really makes you read labels and try to cook more at home!

03-04-2005, 10:46 AM
Eydie, I'm so sorry about your loss! It's so horrible to lose an animal companion.

RB, I think it's the fluorescent lighting that makes us all look so awful in dressing rooms. You'd think retailers would get smart and use flattering lighting. I've been off of sugar since January 1st, although my "sugar-free-ness" means no desserts/candy/sweets, etc. I try to be aware of "hidden" sugar ingredients and avoid them, but I'm not as strict as others here.

Amarantha, good job on being strong! And you're at Day 48!!! More than halfway to that magical 90 days.

Macon, great job to you, too, on resisting temptation! My sister is such a saboteur--I'm always tempted when I'm around her. Did you find a substitute for your OJ?

Danicomia, do you teach pilates professionally? I do pilates mat exercises and love them. Do you see a big difference from the results you get with mat exercises when you use machines?

Welcome, Gia!

Kaylets, thanks for the stress info. Very interesting how related the mind and body are.

03-04-2005, 11:47 AM
Hi everybody!

Eydie - I hope you are doing better.

Macon - Congrats on your #5 day without OJ!! I have been thinking about your addiction. Do you have Costco in your area? The flavored water I buy there, Ice Spark water is Orange/Mango flavor and it is great, with Splenda so sweet that it feels like drinking orange pop. I would give it a try if you can, you will see how easy it is for you to forget about that evil OJ.

Gypsy - About Pilates I don't teach, I have a daycare at home now. But, I do know that working out with Machines accomplish more than doing a mat exercise. The machine as the reformer is more challenging because of the resistance you have to work against with the springs. With the mat you only use your body, so you lack of challenge.

Everybody else - HI!!

BTW I have beenr reading on the Self forums about QUINOA, has anybody tried it.
They also talk a lot about Can pumpkin even on cottage cheese and Hummus.
I need to find something else than brown rice.
I got this recipe from that forum also

1 Cup frozen berries
1 oz promegranet or concorde juice
1 fat free yogurt
8 oz skim milk
Put in blender - YUMMMYY...

I am in crying ****, the baby I am watching is sick, so she has been crying for the last hour. Good Lord help me!!!!

03-04-2005, 05:27 PM
Thanks so much, everybody. :) I really am feeling better today. Busied myself with cleaning up today and that felt really good, and even worked out for 50 minutes on the new Pilates machine which I love! And I even remembered to eat today. I tell you, it's a freakish thing when I forget to eat. But when I finally got hungry it was very woman for herself. I'm glad I had already prepared some food to just grab and heat.

03-04-2005, 05:39 PM
Glad to hear thou art feelin' better, E, and eating! Eatin' is good! :)

Dani, I have had quinoa a number of times. I don't really care for its appearance, but it's highly nutritious and useful, especially for vegetarians. I just cook it like any grain.

One thing that's good with any grain, even the ubiquitous brown rice, is to cook it with fruit (if you are eating fruit). Apricots are low glycemic and wonderful for this purpose. I also like whole wheat couscous now, with the unsweetened applesauce and some dark sweet cherries (low glycemic also). Brown rice and fruit make a good breakfast.

Thanks for the idea about the pumpkin and cottage cheese. I need to tuck that away in my brain for the next shopping trip.

03-04-2005, 07:15 PM
Amarantha, Brown rice and apricots sounds yummy. How do you buy the apricots? here in Denver we cannot get them unless is Summer. Can you get them canned?
I am also going to store the pumpkin in my shopping memory, I need also to cook the sweet potatoes I bought on my last trip.

03-04-2005, 11:42 PM
[b]It's the same here, Dani, no fresh ones now. Dried have that awful sulphur ... I don't know if they have them canned (without sugar). It's also important to remember, though, that I've seen several different GI numbers on apricots, but all list them as low.

Re pumpkin, I got a copy of the South Beach Diet today and compared it with Sugar Busters and in the book I ran across the GI of pumpkin and it's quite high: 107. So I won't be buying any, sadly. But I'd think sweet potato would work with the cottage cheese ... picture a cottage cheese, sweet potato "cheesecake" tart with either no crust or a whole wheat, sugar free one. I'm thinking I could whir this up in the Magic Bullet blender.

Interesting thought.

My hiking bud cancelled on me for tomorrow and I can't do it for the two weeks following, so basically, I'm depressed and might as well go to bed.

Oh, was forgetting another food thing: frozen cherries ... pop one in your mouth when cravings hit and you'd think you were eating an ice cream bonbon at a fair in the summer. Cherries are quite low glycemic, moderate in cals and they have a painkilling action that's reportedly more powerful than ibuprofen.

I was lucky to find four bags of frozen cherries after two weeks of searching. If you eat a frozen cherrie and then drink some skim milk, you'll think you had ice cream! :0

03-05-2005, 02:00 AM
Wow, lots of posts here! Glad to see all the action. I will write later. I just returned to the world of the functional after a very late night out. Ugh, not going to work today. Well, I knew that last night, one of the reasons for staying out. It was a coworkers birthday today so I had a good excuse. But still. . . Anyhow, I stayed away from sugar, which means no convenience store raids in my inebriated state! That was always good for quite a few calories tacked on at the end.

Heh, just wanted to say give this a read. I posted it in the support forum. Good when we're feeling down on ourselves. :wave:

03-05-2005, 11:31 AM
Note to all, I posted this on my journal as well, because I'm almost at eight weeks and don't feel swell. Hopin' someone with more sugar free experience will find me and help me along, maybe sing me a song? Not sure what's goin' on, as I still want a cupcake, though I've put on the brake!

... Decided to do a non-cheery journal entry because I don't feel cheery.

Finished work and could not go back to sleep and find I am having another of those "where is Cupcake?" kind o' days! Feel immensely frustrated and have decided to go take a mini hike by myself (may just be on the treadmill at gym), since ... (deleted reference to a disappointment today).


Cupcake NEVER let me down.


The truth is I am more depressed without CUPCAKE than with her (I decided she was female, while PEANUT BUTTER CUPS are male; dinna know what gender SPROUTED TOAST AND EGGS are, but we are about to have a partin' o' the ways here).


I want some SUGAR (refined kind) with ICING and SPRINKLES!

I am misssing out on the first fine flower o' the Easter CUPCAKE season.

Oh well.

03-05-2005, 04:14 PM
Amarantha, hang in there. It sounds like your body is in need of some quick energy. Try eating really sweet fruit. Maybe that'll help. Remember, there was no such thing as processed white sugar when your body was made! so it doesn't NEED it! I read that the body "desludges" and that some weeks into a nosugar regime, all sorts of ugly things can start to happen. It's not all roses! You will seem sicker than before but that is a GOOD sign. This may be what is happening to you. Hang in there. This is the poison coming out of your cells from deeper within! Yuck, right?

03-05-2005, 08:58 PM
RedBalloon, I read that too!!!! Are we reading the same macrobiotic book perhaps? ;) I'm reading "The Hip Chick's Guide to Macrobiotics" and she mentions desludging alot. Very interesting stuff.

How're you doing, Amarantha? This past week I've wanted it BAD too. "It" being sugar. When it gets really bad I just rememebr my addiction and how if I start I'll be right back in the **** of not being able to stop. Let us know how you are.

Went out of town to one of the big natural food supermarkets today. Who are they trying to fool with evaporated cane juice in everything?! It's really hard to find something without it. I usually settle on the old classic boring wha guru chews. They've been the same forever.

03-05-2005, 09:25 PM
Hi, guys, I'm fine and still refined sugar free!!! :) Thanks for the great support. I really appreciate it. I eventually went to the gym, where I felt at odds with everyone I saw, so walked a tiny bit on :tread: and took a really hot shower, wasting the gym's water, not my own, then went to health food store to get TWO servings of fresh almond butter. Then I thought about going to Whole Foods, which is quite a ways from where I live (E, great minds really do think alike, but I was too lazy to go). So I went and bought myself a toy ... don't ask, just something I wanted that is too expensive. Then I came home and ate cherries and played with the toy; unfortunately, I am still craving cupcakes, but it's too rainy to go out.

I dinna know what wa guru chews are, E, do they have sugar in them?

RB, that's a funny but apt word: "desludging!" :lol: I do think it takes awhile for the bod to adjust to being refined sugar free. I know I got REALLY cranky at the end of the third week and here it is at the end of the seventh week and I'm cranky again. Mayhap it's cyclical.

:cb: :cb: :cb:


Here's mine:

1) It's my belief that REFINED SUGAR (as well as refined white flour products, white rice and white rice products, corn and corn products, beets, pineapple, watermelon, and some other stuff) causes a too-rapid rise in my blood glucose levels, causing my pancrease to overproduce insulin (e.g. "insulin spikes"), which causes me to feel sick, hungry and tormented by cravings for useless food items in conveniences stors and has an extremely deleterious effect on my body's health and well-being and also makes me resistant to obtaining and achieving a healthy weight.

2) If it had no effect on weight at all, the overproduction of insulin can, I believe, lead to a condition known as Syndrome X (prediabetes) and full-blown Type 2 diabetes. Since Type I diabetes runs in my family and is one of the reasons my younger brother is not alive anymore, it seems like a good idea to not get Type 2.

3) I agree with the concept of a book written in the 1970s called "Sugar Blues" (Duffy) that the over-refining of our food is an evil alien plot (ok, maybe not alien, but sort of evil, anyway) to addict us all and turn us into robots; well, ok, not robots, but anyway, to sell us a lot of food by pandering to mankind's natural desire to eat sweet stuff and the perversion of that desire by modern manufacturing process to a state of REFINED lust for ... :devil: ... well, ok, ya get the idea ...

4) I like living and wanna go on doing it for awhile.

5) I want to be 135 pounds.

There are a lot more reasons, but I'll spare ya!

Will anyone else take up the challenge?

03-06-2005, 02:10 AM
Heh guys, back from riding. Have practically no voice anymore. Cold I suppose, settling in my chest and throat. I really shouldn't have ridden but though it's physically tiring it gives me a great mental boost.


Amarantha -- glad to hear you're holding strong. I like your reasons for giving up sugar. I'd have to say I have the same but I will still write my own just to do it. I'm so sorry to hear about your brother, Amarantha. Really sorry. When did he die? Was it recent? Your taking care of yourself is what he would have so wanted you to do, I'm sure. Your doing this means that his death was not in vain, it is a tribute to him, to his life and what he meant to you.

Too bad about the gym but at least you did something and got a nice hot shower! yum, cherries. were they sweet enough? I know you are trying to eat low-glycemic index things but I think you should make some exceptions so you don't keep craving cupcakes and other unnatural stuff. I would eat some pineapple or grapes, watermelon, anything natural that will keep your hand from the "white death! " (did you know that's what arnold called white sugar and white flour?)

Eydie -- Yes, we are reading the same book! It's good, isn't it? Amarantha, if you want, I can type out that part about "desludging" for you, or fax it to you. It could inspire you perhaps. Eydie, I like the tone of the book. The author sounds very with it, very balanced, not wacko in any way, not WEIRD. :lol: What's this with the evaporated cane juice in everything? Is that what they're doing? That's like people thinking honey is so great too. If it's not raw, and most isn't, it's almost the same as white sugar. And what they say about brown sugar being often just white with molasses added. I really just think we should get away from sugar period instead of always trying to find substitutes, especially these artificial sweeteners. I think they taste horrible anyhow.

Ok, if it's the only way you can break away but I think they actually make it harder. You still want the sickening sweet taste when you're hooked on sweeteners, right, and aspartame and acesulfame or whatever it's called are supposed to be very bad for you.

Well, don't mean to knock anyone who's going off the sugar this way. Whatever gets you there. I guess it's like a nicotine patch for people trying to quit smoking.

Eydie, how are you doing about your cat? All my cats are sick, two with the bad gums that plagues many cats these days and they say there's no cure. I have to take two in for monthly shots to alleviate the pain. But because my one guy died and I think now I could have prevented it if I'd gotten him to the vet sooner, I took another of mine who has a chronic running nose and sneezing and am trying to help her because the guy who died had the same thing and I just don't want the same thing to happen to her. Your guy was old so it's a different story. I'm sure you're still missing him terribly but he's certainly there with you somewhere, remembering you fondly.

Dani -- I've tried quinoa. It has a bit of an odd taste but in veggie stews and curries and such it's great. Don't like it in my hot cereal though.

Gypsy -- Thanks for the understanding about the horror of dressing rooms. Ok, I'll blame the lighting! Yes, really, if they made the dressing rooms nicer, the stores would surely sell more clothes.

Macon -- thanks to you too on the dressing rooms. yes, lighting again, pasty looking. ugh. I don't know. I don't think I particularly don't love myself but I would like to see something nicer in the mirror because that is what everyone is looking at too and boy, Tokyo, and all the guys I know, are quite hung up on looks. But you are right, we must always remember our accomplishments.

Jana, kaylets, anyone else I didn't address personally. . . good luck with your sugar free days! Hope to hear from you soon again! :sunny:

03-06-2005, 12:10 PM
Hi, guys! :wave: Feelin' MUCH better today since all my cupcake deprivation resulted in a 1.4 scale loss AND a few percentages down in bodyfat reading (which I don't put much stock in, accuracy-wise).

RB, no worries, my lil bro died in '99 and I'm ok with it all now, he's just one of my reasons for wanting to live a long, long time ... kind of livin' for both o' us! :)

Re sugar deprivation, under Sugar Busters (which is my guide for now, but eventually, I'll modify it even further than I modify it now), it's encouraged to fulfill your sugar cravings from low glycemic fruits and low fat dairy and I do that. The very high glycemic fruits are verboten and in fact these are items that have consistently made me sick in the past, except I didn't know why. But grapes are ok ... I eat 'em in moderation, though, as they're not as low as cherries, which are sweeter ... go figure!

To anyone cutting out corn products (well, that might just be me, but ...) Here is my "recipe" for safe Fake Indian Pudding: Mix cooked 100-percent whole wheat couscous with unsweetened applesauce and one drop of LIQUID Sweet 'n Low (not the powdered kind), add two or three unsweetened frozen or fresh dark cherries. Microwave until cherries are cooked, mix, eat.

This does taste like Indian Pudding, which is traditionally made with cornmeal.

03-06-2005, 01:46 PM
Amarantha, I'm so glad you're still sugar-free! :D I went out with some friends this morning to a breakfast buffet and did pretty well, I think. Just eggs with vegetables, salsa, and cheese,some potatoes, and instead of pancakes I had fresh fruit. Man, when I think about the food orgies of the old days....shudder! My friends, bless 'em, were eating enough pancakes and syrup for all of us though. :lol:

RedBalloon, That's so cool that we're reading the same book! I reccommend the peanut butter cups recipe. I substitue unsweetened carob chips for the choc chips and they are unbelievable. If the truth be known, maybe a little TOO good! :o
About my cat--yes, we're doing well. We both know beyond all doubt that it was time and we're so grateful for 18 1/2 years! We now have 2 dogs and 2 old cats left. I guess I never mentioned that one os Weed's OLDER sister who's 19 years old and looks like an old crone cat but she's truly robust and cranky.

Oh and Amarantha, congrats on dropping another 1/4 pounds!!! :D You're so consistent--this is IT, girl!

03-06-2005, 02:30 PM
Hello everybody,

I am not sure if I mentioned, but yesterday we celebrated Daniel's 8th Bday at his Dad's. As I didn't have too much to do I got a hand to several Runner's Magazines Brian has around and I got interesting info. There was a study done to 3 groups of runners for a period of time. First group had just one serving of dairy a day, the second 1,000 mlgs of calcium as supplement, 3rd one at least 3 serving of dairy a day. At the end of the study the 3rd group who had highest dairy intake lost 27% more of weight than the first group and 17% more than the second group. The writers last quote was something like "I will keep enjoying my 3 rasberries yogurt a day"....

03-06-2005, 04:16 PM
amarantha, glad to hear you're still sugar-free. Must say, though, I really can't understand why you fight the cupcake as opposed to allowing some higher glycemic fruit. If you're exercising your body does need to replenish its glycogen stores. This is why the low carb diets are so ridiculous for people exercising heavily. But, if you CAN stay away from white sugar, ok. I did the sugar busters thing to the letter. Didn't lose any weight. It's still about the calories and I was so deprived and my body was so needing glycogen as I was lifting really heavy that I would eat more of the other foods to compensate.

eydie, I did take note of that peanut butter cup recipe! Thing is, with most of these things, I can't get any of the ingredients over here. Glad to hear you're doing OK with your cat. My one never did come out of the closet last night. I'm so pissed at her because she wakes me up this morning (and I must have woken up 10 times last night) with her crying because she's in pain from her gums and throat but if she'd come down yesterday I could have taken her to the vet. Now I'm thinking of staying home from work to take her in but I really can't afford that. Sometimes, having to care for them all just makes me so upset. It's really so much work and I don't have the money or time and being alone and trying to care for them can be awful. . . rant rant.

Dani, If you go macrobiotic (and I've heard it from many other sources) dairy is one thing that has to go as well. I have a bit of milk, never liked the stuff anyhow, but I love cheese. And recently, I've been eating fruit in yogurt to satisfy my sugar wants. There's a lot of sugar (lactose) in diary and I notice I am all puffy after eating it. Really do want to go vegan if I can.

03-06-2005, 09:17 PM
Hi, guys! Gonna take a bit of a vacation from posting. Keep a'goin' ... everyone's doing great, including MOI! :)

03-07-2005, 09:56 AM
Hi everyone!

Sorry I have been MIA - busy with family.

Amarantha - Don't stop posting - you were one of my sugar-free inspirations!! In fact, last night, my sister and I cooked dinner for our whole family (nieces, nephews, several cousins) and for dessert, I cooked hot cookies and ice cream and did not have any (not even a lick!) because I did not want to break my sugar-free and have to post on here that I was having to start back at day one. I understand if you have something going on that you can not post but thank you for being such a great motivator and sharing your experiences with sugar :devil: ! Also, Congrats on your continued weight loss.

RB - Sorry you are having a tough/frustrating time with your cats. Pets, especially ailing ones, can certainly take a lot of time,energy and money. I do not have cats so this may sound dumb but can you go into the closet and get her out when the timing works for you to take her to the vet? Also, how far off are you from being a vegan? I think I could do it except for my occaisionally cheese and shrimp! Yum!

Edyie - what are the things you got from whole foods? Wha Guru? This is cheating by complete definition but when I need a sweet (or to reward myself for passing on some major dessert) I have a handful of grain-sweeten, dark chocolate. They are vegan chips - Not too sweet and does not seem to make me crave more. In fact, it tops off my dinner and then I do not want to snack later.

MP- that is interesting about the milk. I am such a fan of information and think we all have to just find a way that works for us. I personally am not a fan of milk but do eat cheese occasionally (in my salads, umm!).

All this talk of books and magazines made me remember a book I read back in the fall that maybe I need to pull it out again. My DH is something of a "geek" (I love him!) and reads Science-type magazines. A while back, they did a study of diets/eating plans and in the end, said the only "expert" that showed any scientific reasearch and no-money motivation was from the Harvard Medical School. It is a book called Eat, Drink, and Be Healthy by Willett. Again, there are so many books/advice out there but this one is interesting b/c it tries to use actually long-term studies of which there are not many and it focuses on the food groups/vitmins & minerals.

Going back to what Amarantha asked early about why we are going Sugar-free. My DH and I are trying to have a baby. I am not normal (nothing to do with weight although the Dr. did say it could not hurt to get down to a healthier weight by losing 10 lbs.) and need medical assistance. So, on the months that we are trying, I am on major drugs. We just finished 2 cycles and I had gained 7 pounds and no matter what I did, they would not come off - due to the drugs and that I can not exercise while on them. Anyway, I am taking 6 weeks off before we do IVF and so I am determined to make the most of getting in shape these 6 weeks. Will you all be my support to get in shape???

Here is my pledge:
For the next 6 weeks, I will continue to be sugar-free, eat healthy, walk 10,000 steps every day, and lift weights 3 days a week.

03-07-2005, 05:44 PM
Hi people. Just a quickie here. Got to run and ride. My voice is much better. Yesterday all I could manage was a croak practically. I'm still OK on my Lenten no-sugar, no-nuts, no-two other favorite foods challenge. Though the weight doesn't come off and I am very discouraged I think it's still a great thing to be doing. I am going to try to continue this after Easter.

Amarantha -- enjoy your time off. You are doing so well. Just a look at your weight tracker and wow! You seem to be really experimenting with all sorts of eating to find just what is right for your body chemistry and that is very difficult to do. Changing lifetime habits and all. Good luck and come back soon. You are obviously a motivating and inspiring force for many on this thread!

Macon -- you made me laugh! :lol: Yes, you may not know cats but your question is not dumb! :rofl: You have caught me being lazy and also having to admit that my room is piled high with stuff in front of the closet. These are Japanese-style closets and they are built for giants. Can't get to the back of them without a ladder almost. But really, the thing is that I have all this stuff in front of the closet that prevents me from getting in the back where the cat likes to go. I was able to close the sliding door on it though. But anyhow, I got the cat to the vet yesterday so today she could eat. I am never home to work on my room and all the stuff in it, accumulated over years and years. It is horrible and a constant source of depressive thoughts. Another reason I'm never home. As for being vegan, yes, I am very close and really should do it again just because it would force me to prepare good foods. I am not getting the vegetables in me and I think this is why I don't lose weight. I reach for the cheese, the dairy, eggs and there is no lowfat stuff over here that is edible! Macon, good luck with your goals. Yes, that would be frustrating and difficult to stick with a plan when the drugs are playing havoc with your body. Good luck with trying to have a baby! I would love to help support you over the next 6 weeks, or however long! Stop in and tell us what you need! Best of luck! :cheer:

03-08-2005, 02:41 PM
How is everyone? It seems we're all busy. Macon, good luck with your conception quest. Oddly enough, I finally conceived during a month when I was doing yoga everyday. I think it had a lot to do with it. I've also heard prayer has been proven to help, so I asked everyone I knew who prayed to pray for me!

03-08-2005, 05:29 PM
Hi Gypsy, yes, it looks like it's just you and me. I'm really the sickest I've been yet. Feel like I have a bad hangover though I haven't drank anything. I lost my voice from Friday and it'd been getting worse till Monday, then was better yesterday. Oh, I do feel lousy. But I still stayed away from sugar. Everyone has been dropping with the flu around me so I think being off sugar may have helped me stay well this long! Hello to everyone! Hope to hear from you soon. Best of luck! :wave:

03-08-2005, 10:01 PM
Hi Gypsy! Thanks for your support! I think all things that keep you positive and stress-free are good. I do need all the prayers I can get!
How are things in your world?

RB - Sorry you are sick! There are a lot of germs/colds/flus around here too! Late winter always seems to get a few who had made it through the really cold months. Congrats on not caving into the sugar and great way to look at it as the saving factor! :D

Edyie - How are you? Are you still checking in?

I hope everyone else is doing well!

I walked 10,000 steps yesterday and today and did resistance training this morning. I have not worked out in so long that I was already sore by this afternoon which means I will probably not be able to get out of bed in the morning! LOL! I did have wheat yesterday and today but did not feel great (it makes me want more!!) so I think I wil try another week wheat-free.

03-08-2005, 10:06 PM
Macon, hello! Great going on the walking. You are doing fine! Don't look like it's you who needs prayer, more like me really! ;) I felt horrible this morning and my voice is worse than yesterday. I need to make some phone calls but can barely croak and the people on the other end would probably just hang up thinking it was a prank call! Hope you feel better today after your long walk! If not your muscles, at least you'll have that great feeling of accomplishment, no?

03-09-2005, 08:56 AM
Good Morning! :)

Macon, good luck with the sproutling! And yes, absolutely whatever I can do to support you, thanks for asking! I think it's a great idea to go for 10,000 steps a day. I think that I always intend to do that, but forget my pedomter.

For those who asked, Wha Guru Chews are a health food store sweet that have been around for a long time. They're sweetened with barley malt, rice syrup and some have maple syrup. It's about the only thing that i can find that's allowable for me. I say again, it's so frustrating to be reading a label and be so hopeful and then there it is: evaporated cane juice. Why don't they just say plain old sugar?

RedBalloon, hope you're feeling better today. Here, have some virtual soup!

Went to a local trade show where we have a booth. They had a big buffet for the participants and last year I really went for the desserts. This year, I didn't even go into that room.

Drum roll........I'm on day 172 of no refined sugar!!! :D Like I always say, No one's more surprised than me.

I used to be an avid journal writer. [A regular journal, not just a food journal.] Anyway, I really want to start again, becasue I haven't kept one in about 10 years. So for inspiration I dragged out my old journals and was really shocked to see how often the subject of my weight and specifically my sugar addiction came up. I'm really proud that I was finally able to do something about those 2 things. That may be one of the reasons that I stopped writing, because I was so weary of saying the same thing over and over. :)

03-09-2005, 10:49 AM
Edyie - :cb: :bravo: :flow1: :encore: :cheer: All the fun little icons I can find to your 172 days without refined sugar!! What amazing will-power and determination. Everytime I want a sweet - I think of you. Thank you!

Would I find Wha Guru at Whole Foods? Are they in the packaged cookie section? Maybe I will go today.

I have never kept a journal but think it is a great idea. My mother and I were recently talking about her childhood and I think it would have been so neat if she had a journal. Times change so much - plus, as you say, it must be interested to read your own from just a few years before. Do you think writing is what helped you decide to change your eating habits?

RB - Sorry you are still sick! Have you tried gargling with hot water and salt? This is an old wives tale but it really does work.

Confession: I am a late night binger. I can eat really well all day and then I get to the evening and I can not stop. Last night, after eating a healthy, breakfast, lunch and dinner. I went back and ate an english muffin (100% whole wheat, no sugar) with butter (somehting I rarely eat). I also had awful PMS so I broke down and had a huge glass of OJ (I was ready to go to the grocery store and get cookie dough so OJ at the time did not seem as bad). PMS aside, I have got to get rid of this trigger. Does anyone else have this problem?

Oh, so once again, today is Day 1 OJ and wheat-free. :mad:

03-09-2005, 08:07 PM
Thanks Macon! :) You can find the wha guru chews in the chocolates/candy section at Whole Foods, btw!

Back from the trade show and again avoided the buffet room--came right home and had already prepped stuff for black bean soup in my pressure cooker so turned that on as soon as I walked in the door and within 30 minutes I'll have a nice homemade meal of soup and a quesadilla. I love it when I can get it togther enough to do that--make me feel so capable and efficient! And grown up! :lol:

03-10-2005, 03:35 AM
Hello everyone. In between trying to work. What a wonderful distraction! I was just thinking. Yesterday was four weeks without sugar. Hurrah for me! I don't know what I would have felt like had I been eating sugar but I know I wouldn't have been feeling at all proud of myself as I do now. Well, I mean, just a little proud. I'll bet the convenience store people are wondering where I've been. Funny, how if I'm not pigging on sugar I just have little reason to go in there (I also gave up nuts and that was a daily thing, maybe 2 or 3 times a day1) :yes:

Well, OK, my piddling 4 weeks, a mere 28 days is nothing up against EYDIE!!! Hurrah! :bravo: 172 days?! Wow, that is great! How do you ever do it? And thanks, I do feel better today though I decided to stay home from a press conference and a union meeting I was supposed to go to. I forego the latter saying I had to go to the former and then decided to sack that as well. I do have a ton of work to do here at home and though I feel much better I'm still draggin. My voice was barely more than a croak yesterday but today I can speak, though I still sound weird. So, Eydie, I think your cyber soup did help! :thanks:

And thanks for explaining Guru Chews because I was wondering but just figured, why bother, I'll never see them anyhow. . .but I did want to know. So, are you OK with barley malt, rice syrup and maple syrup. I'm trying to figure out which is bad for you, which spikes insulin, that kind of thing. Are these OK because they're not processed? It's the processing that is bad, right? There are so many ways of saying things that I'm not sure what to avoid either. Evaporated cane juice, that is simply sugar, no? or is it unprocessed? Do you eat pure brown sugar, not the granulated soft stuff but the chunks? don't know if you can get it in the States. Guess you can.

Eydie, I keep a journal too. Have for most of the past 24 years with some blank years. Right now, I'm in a bit of a slump, I think mainly because I'm writing on this forum so much, but it is a great thing. I always like having a journal close at hand. Stop into a cafe or so and it's just soothing to write out a few pages, allows you to get in touch with your feelings, like coming home and relaxing.

And Eyd, good for you for avoiding the trade show buffet! Ah, you are so organized. Wish I could get that way, black bean soup ready to heat. Sounds yummy!

Macon -- thanks for the concern. I have tried hot water and salt and it does help. I had forgotten about that. Will give it a go. I use salted toothpaste. Love salt. I don't think you are surprising anyone but "confessing" to being a late night binger. I often am, although recently I'm a bit better, especially because I have nothing to binge on since I gave up sugar. Really. That was my binge of choice. Recently, I've been able to stay away from other foods too. I just say to myself. It's just going to sit there on you, the fat. If you quick fall asleep you won't feel the hunger anymore. But, my weakness now is bread and butter late at night. Must stop that. Why can't we binge on apples or something? :lol:

And Macon, I see you're going wheat-free again. Good luck! That would be tough! Wow! May I suggest some good German rye bread. You must be able to get some there, no, though it may be hard to find all rye. Have you tried it? I used to live in Germany and they have all sorts of non-wheat breads. Of course, I don't know if they are wheat mixes or not but I do know there are pure nonwheat breads. I think pumpernickel is such. Do you know anything about different breads. Also, do you eat buckwheat. Japanese are big on bigwheat, make noodles from it that are so yummy. That is a great substitute for wheat. You can even use them as a spaghetti substitute although it's a bit hard to cook them right. They get soggy very fast. They require almost no cooking time. Have you tried them? If, not, get thee to an Asian foods shop soon! Also rice noodles are good. Actually, now that I think of it, maybe I will give the no-wheat thing a try sometime. I said I was going to and then chickened out but I could start small, a day or two at a time.. . .hmm. . .

03-10-2005, 03:56 AM
Whoops Macon, am I being a jerk here? Is buckwheat just as bad as wheat and are you going wheat-free because you want to be gluten-free. I was just doing a bit of research on the Net and started thinking maybe it's the gluten you're trying to avoid and it looks like rye still has that. Hmm. I think I'm all confused with what people are doing and why. There are allergies, and insulin spikers and wow, it's all getting too confusing! :stress:

03-10-2005, 08:58 AM
RB, I agree, it IS confusing. So much to keep up with! :dizzy: Sometimes I'm envious of people who just don't give any of this kind of thing a thought. Sometimes I think I'm too much into it!

Macon, I don't think you're shocking anyone with your night-time binge confessions. You'll have to come up with something juicier than that! :lol: I find for me it's best if I just don't start---just gut it out until morning! Every night I want toast with butter [like RedBalloon!], and if I indulge I keep it to one slice, though I could easily eat 6!
I like the all-rye bread that RB mentioned--it's very satisfying and heavy, but pleasantly so.
About the buckwheat noodles, read the ingredient list carefully, cause most have wheat listed as well.

Anyone have plans for the weekend? I have to work. There's an art class at work and I'll be making lunch for the artists.

03-10-2005, 05:26 PM
Ah yes, you're right Eydie, about the buckwheat. I forgot it is a mix of wheat. I was only thining of the low glycemic index for the noodles and forgot that it contained wheat. Sorry. The cheaper the noodle the more wheat is in it. I don't know if you can get pure buckwheat noodles or not. It would be probably be impossible over there. I do know you can just buy buckwheat flour though. Do you make your own bread or have you considered it. I used to make a great quickbread in a can but it used sugar and, of course, wheat. It was very easy to make though. Perhaps there is a similar recipe you could use that would allow you to be wheat-free and sugar-free.

03-11-2005, 11:31 AM
HI Ladies!

Well - I feel off the wagon yesterday. I had a P&J (only the jelly had sugar but still!) sandwich for lunch and then after dinner, I ate 2 cookies. It was the first day of my menstrual cycle and I think my blood sugar was so low. I have not really craved sugar like that. I avoided all day but by night, I could not! :o Any suggestions for when your blood sugar might be really low? Oh, I know fruit! :lol: But I am determined again so for the next 8 weeks, I am sticking to my goal of eating healthy and working out.

The good news is that I did walk everyday this week (one day a little less then 10,000 steps but I made up for it the next day by walking more) and I have done resistance training everyday. I do not move my little weight ticker until I have been below that weight for at least 3 days so even with the binge, it is slowly coming off.

As for the wheat thanks for the suggestions. I do not think I am allergic to wheat or gluten. I am avoiding because I end up eating bread all day and no veggies. I am just doing no wheat short term to try to change some of my habits. For example, I bought spelt bread the other day but I could binge on that too! I think I am safe with oats (Gluten Free - Irish) and brown rice for now. I think pure buckwheat is actually wheat-free but in the States, lots of buckwheat products add-on wheat flour. My goal is not so much to substitute wheat with another grain as it is to eat less so I eat more veggies, fruits and nuts.

RB - Are you feeling better? Voice back to normal? Funny about the convenience store people. I bet they are wondering where you are! Congratulations on 28 day sugar-free! :)

Eydie - Now I am even more amazed at your 173 days! You rock! Did you know it is suppose to snow tomorrow? I am starting to get upset about this weather (a price for a mild winter?). Bring on the HEAT - I am ready for summer! Where do you work? Have fun at the art class!

Have a great day!

03-11-2005, 11:55 AM
Hi, everyone! Sorry I've been MIA for awhile. Sometimes I get so behind with the posts that I put off posting, which of course means I get even more behind, so it's completely illogical. I hope everyone's doing well! Macon, your slip sounds really minor. Good for you for stopping it before it gets out of control!

My birthday's coming up soon, and I'm faced again with the dilemma of whether or not to indulge (I had been planning on chocolate cream pie). I'm thinking not, because Easter is soon afterwards, and I really love the Easter cakes my mom makes. With ice cream. :o I don't think I should indulge more than once a month. Then again, I'm worried that if I start indulging on Easter, I'll eat Easter candy, several pieces of cake and ice cream, and I'll be out of control. I'll keep you posted on what I decide.

Hope you have great, sugar-free weekends!

03-11-2005, 06:57 PM
Macon, not to worry. It happens! I know I've ben perilously close sometimes. I had to make myself some allowable cookies today. Just pecan meal, rice flour, butter, and a bit of maple syrup. They turned out really good. like shortbread.
The thing that made me make the cookies was seeing that Nature Valley is making a pecan granola bar now. I used to love all their granola bars and since I choose not to have their version, I have to make myself a substitute.

And Macon, please don't feel that you absolutely have to start over at Day 1. You were still in there trying and the cookies and jam were just a fluke!

GypsyDancer, when's your birthday? I know what you mean about feeling uneasy about your birthday cake. I'd be afraid my sugar desires would snowball. Whatever you do, I totally support you though! ;)

03-11-2005, 08:34 PM
Hi everybody,

I have been working out on a daily basis following the Self Challenge trying to lose some lbs faster, so I have been mostly lurking. I am afraid of jumping on the scale on Sunday, I haven't weighed for 2 weeks as I had my period last week. Needless to say terrified I am :(.

I love granola bars, I bought a box of Trial Mix and I love them!. Also, I have been eating dry fruit for the last 2 weeks and I have been regularly visiting the potty on a daily basis. I remember my Nona eating dry plums every day for her digestion, but I didn't know how serious the stuff was if you do eat dry fruit daily until now. :)

Cookies, doghnuts, etc have an average of 300 cals and it takes at least 30 mins on the treadmill at a 5.0 pace to burn it. So I am staying away from them. Chocolate OH MY, I gave it up for lent so I am looking forward to Easter to have a really nice piece, although I am not sure what brand nor what kind will be the honored to reach my mouth that day..... IT HAS TO BE GOOD.

BTW, I went to the store to get Quinoa (didn't find it), barley and brown rice, I recommend the new precooked brown rice in little bags, it takes just 20 mins to cook, just insert the bag in boiling water. No more waiting 2 hours to get the stuff done.


03-14-2005, 09:40 PM
Hey, where is everybody? :)

Don't tell me that everybody's gorging on Easter chocolates--heaven forfend! I'm still blissfully sugar-free.

Had my first mammagram today. I thought the machine was going to do it all, I didn't know it was going to be such a hands-on experience! :lol: Anyway, all's well and I'm glad I finally got around to doing it.

03-15-2005, 04:40 PM
I'm here! I'm up for my first mammogram this year, Eydie. Was it awful? Hopefully all is OK.

No chocolate bunnies for me, although I'm thinking of having some Ben & Jerry's sugarfree ice cream for my birthday this weekend.

03-15-2005, 09:32 PM
Wasn't awful at all, Darlene. And they bounced right back to their original shape! :lol: It was a little disconcerting to look down at the plates and see how flat they were tho! Creepy!

I binged today. :o Had a big water crisis at work today----water everywhere! It was horrifying! :eek: :fr: So when it was all over and I binged on lots of cheese and crackers. Calories and fat grams are thru the roof today, but no sugar.

03-15-2005, 09:40 PM
Hi guys, am sitting here trying to work on some translation. Emails keep popping in and I oh so eagerly go to them instead of the work at hand. . oh well, just wanted to shamefully report a total sugar binge yesterday. Five weeks off and I was just sick of the discipline I think. But I didn't feel great eating the junk and that was actually a good thing. It was like, ok, so I don't feel wonderfully happy eating sugary things so I'm not missing out on much by staying off the crap. Its allure has lessened considerably. I never felt bad eating fruit and healthful food. I did not feel good eating the sugar yesterday. A good lesson I think.

Hello to all and wishing you all the best. :sunny:

03-16-2005, 07:29 PM
How're you doing today, RedBalloon? My problem was always getting back on track after a sugar orgy. I love the "just don't start" philosophy! :)

03-17-2005, 01:32 AM
Okay, I am posting tonight as I keep lurking and telling myself I will tomorrow ....
I have been working my *** off with this Self Challenge, trying to get rid of the damn 30 lbs that are dragging me down. I workout mostly twice everyday. The clothes are feeling loose but I have not lost a pound. The instructor in me tells me, don't worry you are building muscle and the pounds will melt away shortly..

Eydie, glad that you got your mammogram and everything was okay. I got mine at 38 because of a lump that it was nothing at the end, so I know what it means to have the babies squeezed like pancakes between that plate... I have to have a yearly MRI for a hemangioma, blood tumor in my liver and another in my 4 thoracic vertebra, I am due for it for a while already. Hate to be in that damn tube.

Gypsy, stay away from chocolate.
Macon, how is everything doing? how many OJ are you gulping still?
Redballon, what do you do so far away?

Well girls forgive me if I didn't mention everybody.. I will go to bed, the kids still lurk around is 10:30pm and they still don't go to bed if I am not in the same floor. Oh well.

03-17-2005, 07:26 AM
Hi guys, Eydie, thanks for thinking of me. I did get the translation done. Now I'm working on editing a book manuscript. I am happy to say I am back on no sugar. So it was just the one day off and some crackers that had sugar in them yesterday, which I would normally not allow but yesterday I did. Ok, no big deal. I just enjoyed two of the juiciest oranges. They were heavenly! And now I'm eating strawberries as I type this. Who needs any more sugar than this. This is heavenly, truly! The cookies and cake and ice cream didn't taste anything nearly as good as this. It tastes so healthy. My body is just sucking it up. I think it is too because I was able to get back to the gym for the first time in a while today and though I didn't do all that much I did cycle for 30 mins and did some back and chest weight training, then walked the 50 min. home and that was after riding this morning. I was wearing my pedometer and I got over 11,000 steps today so I am happy! :sunny: Oh, it felt so good to be back in the gym. I was laughing so much, joking with people I haven't seen in a while.

Danci -- hi there, most of the work I do isn't far at all, it's all very close stuff and so my eyes are suffering! And I rarely leave Tokyo to go anywhere except out to ride my horse and that's not work so. . .. nothing's far away there either. Ok, ok, just kidding!!!! :lol: No, I just came over here. Had been in Germany, then India and wanted to go back to India and didn't get a visa on the first try after waiting a long time so I said, ah, what the heck, I'll go see what Japan's like for a few weeks and I just stayed and stayed, over 22 years now! Ugh, I hate saying that. I can't believe it really. Life is so short. Anyhow, I do all sorts of work and because I keep a horse I want to be able to ride her so I can't do your normal fulltime job. Actually, even if I didn't have the horse I couldn't do your normal fulltime job. I'd simply go stir crazy! So, I am kind of a freelancer with a parttime regular job at an English-language newspaper. I do other writing, do a lot of horse-racing related work as it's very big over here, also do translation work and editing and proofreading for a book publisher. I've taught English but don't right now. Don't like teaching but will do it if the money is very good.

Danci, what is this Self Challenge? That's great that you are working out twice a day! Wow! Waht do you do? Do you go to a gym twice a gym and if so, how do you manage that?

Gypsy, when's your birthday?

Speaking of chocolate bunnies, what do you all plan for Easter? I had started my no-sugar challenge as a Lent thing, with all intention of ending it in a sugar spree with the bunny. I still may indulge on Easter but I do want to keep up basically being off sugar (except for certain holidays and occasions where people would really be insulted if I didn't eat something they gave me, which is a rare occurrence). Do you all plan to stay sugar-free ALL the time or are there times you'll allow it?

I'm thinking that eventually it'll be like being a vegetarian with me, that I won't want the stuff because there are just too many reasons NOT to eat it. With meat and fish, it's basically an ethical issue with me but I don't like the stuff anyhow. I used to be able to eat a hamburger though. I don't think i could now.

03-17-2005, 10:23 AM
Danicomia, You're talking about the Self magazine challenge, right? I always intend to do that every year--oh well! I really love my Pilates machine, btw. It may just be my fevered imagination but I think it's really toning my arms. I'm mostly happy with my body, can't seem to lose the jiggle in my thighs though. Ah, genetics! :lol:
I know what you mean about the MRI; I had to do that a couple of years ago. Very surreal.

RedBalloon, Hoorah! That's wonderful to get back on track so quick. In my sugar-eating days sometimes it would take me months [really!] to get back on track after a binge. So to answer your question if I'll allow sugar-y sweets on special occasions, I'd have to say no. It's just not in the cards for me. If I have sweets I'll have to make them myself for the most part, with Eydie-approved sweeteners! I think I get into trouble when I allow myself things that are accessible anywhere. As it is now, I can stroll thru any convenience store, and simply say, 'nope, not for me!'
This is funny: our local grocery store has suddenly started selling lots of organic things. That's great, but a lot of those new products are cookies and things like that. I must admit that before I stopped eating sugar I would've been able to justify it in my mind because it's ORGANIC SUGAR! Ha! The addictive mind is very, very tricky that way.

03-17-2005, 06:15 PM
Just a flyby here. Eydie, thanks. I am always inspired when I think I have done something that is hard to do! I hear you on the organic garbage. The "health food" stores here are the way they were in the States in the '70s, don't know if you're old enough to remember, but the food is just gross, overpackaged, garbage mostly. I wish there were stores like I saw in California and New York, big places full of real food!

03-19-2005, 10:46 AM

Eydie - Glad your mammogram went well! :rofl: at your "bounce back to their original shape!" I had my first when I was still in my twenties and I was shocked at how flat they got - it is creepy! Do you mind sharing your pecan cookie recipe? Congratulations on having the work problem and sticking to cheese and crackers!

MP - :cheer: on the self challenge! Twice a day - I bet you are exhausted but I am sure there will be a BIG pay-off for all your hard work! As for your weight - remember that muscle weighs more than fat and takes up less room so I would focus more on how your clothes fit. Keep up the great work and thanks for the inspiration!

Darlene - :hb: I think you said your Birthday was this weekend! Enjoy your day and the ice cream! :)

RB - As one who has fallen off the wagon the previous week, I think you are right that it serves a good reminder that we are not missing much! I have not decided what to do for Easter. I actually bought easter chocolate for my DH the other day so it is in the house but so far, I have avoided it. When I really need a sugar/chocolate I eat these vegan chips that are sweeten by barley wheat. A huge handful is only 70 calories and satisfies my craving.
:cp: on the 11000 steps and getting back to the gym!

Last weekend, my computer crashed. I never knew how much time I spent in front of this thing for better and worse. The good news is that without it, I moved around a lot more although I missed having easy access to info! The bad news is that I am really lazy about backing up (my disc drive was messed up so it took more time then normal) and I lost a ton of docs that I need so I will be sitting here for days recreating! :mad:

I have been walking and doing resistance training. I have stayed away from sugar although it was really cold this past week and I started drinking soy lattes again. I actaully do replace food so it was not additional calories but I add splenda to them which I have been trying to avoid. I am going on vacation in a couple of weeks and decided that when I get back, I will quit caffeine again then. In the mean time, it is nice to have my old friend back! I am such an addict! :D

03-19-2005, 12:53 PM
Good to 'see' you, Macon! :D Coffee would be a hard one for me to give up too, so I just don't do it. :coffee:

Speaking of which, I visited a Starbuck's yesterday and instead of ordering a frappicino, which I love, I ordered a plain iced coffee, and added some 1/2 and 1/2 to it and enjoyed it thouroughly. I never dreamed I'd be content with the plain coffee but there you are! :) Hey, and it was much cheaper too!