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mommie2anl
11-27-2004, 01:20 AM
Is this at all possible?

I was told Atkins/South Beach Diet would probably be the best way, but I tried it before and just couldn't stand all the eggs and dairy. I would really like to lose 8-10 lbs. in time for an upcoming vacation and have committed to working out daily. But what kind of diet will help me to achieve this goal?

I'm willing to Be Strong - really need to do this. Any suggestions?

Thanks!


K8-EEE
11-27-2004, 02:21 AM
Hi! I swore up and down I would never do a lose-weight-quick diet again -- I'm 44 and should know better HOWEVER....that is exactly what I'm doing, starting tomorrow!

I've been invited to a formal Xmas party Dec. 11 and ALL my formal stuff is TIGHT! I mean...TIGHT like it zips but 10 pounds away from looking/feeling okay. I REALLY don't want to invest in a gown for one occasion and I want to lose weight anyhow so tomorrow I'm making, you guessed it -- cabbage soup!

I don't know if we are supposed to discuss nutty diets like this one here where everyone seems to have such a healthy approach? But actually I don't think this is really unhealthy and I DID lose 10 pounds on it a couple years back and kept if off just as long as with the "sensible" diets. So I'm willing to give it another go.

Honestly I DO think cabbage is better than diet pills! Personally I think it's healthier than Atkins too, even though it's only meant for a week. I do know a woman who went on/off weeks, alternating with a regular 1400 calorie diet and lost 30 lbs and kept it off.

aphil
11-27-2004, 03:26 PM
Okay guys...you all knew this was coming, right? :lol:

It IS possible to lose 10 pounds in 3 weeks....but-here is the catch. It's not gonna be fat. It is going to be some water weight and some of your muscle mass that you want to keep. If you go on an extremely low calorie fad diet-you'll lose some water, some muscle mass-and you'll most likely gain the weight back. Is it really worth it? When you do gain the weight back-it will most likely be fat-so you will end up maybe weighing what you do now, but you will end up with less muscle and more fat mass-so you could very possibly end up looking worse in a few months than you do right now.

You COULD however lose 3-5 pounds in 3 weeks in a more healthy manner...that doesn't involve going below 1200 calories a day, or cancelling out entire food groups. With a sensible plan that you can stick with for the rest of your life-that contains the proper nutrients and enough protein-along with exercise-you can lose some weight slow and steadily-and actually keep it off past the holiday season. I don't know about everyone else-but if I work hard to lose weight-I don't want it back in 6 months.

I cannot stress enough eating a balanced diet of between 1200-2000 calories per day (and 1200 is REALLY low-most women can lose just fine eating 1500-1600 a day) that contains healthy portions of clean, healthy food-lean protein, fruits, veggies, skim dairy, and whole grain starch like whole wheat bread and pasta, oatmeal, etc.-no junky carbs like regular bread, white pasta, and processed sweets.) Exercise along with this for 20-60 minutes per day to burn fat and increase muscle-and this is a way of life that is healthy, and a way to lose excess weight that will help you keep the weight off...not just lose it.

I have been living this way for over two years now-and I am over 45 pounds thinner-and it's not coming back. I am losing slowly-but steadily-and I feel 200% better. Two years ago my holiday party dress was a 16/18W...last year it was a 14/16W...and this year it is a 13/14 Misses. Next year I am hoping to walk in that party in a 11/12 gown...maybe even a 9/10. Who knows? ;)

The weight loss is slower than a fad diet-but I have muscle mass and firm shape in my body now, and I am not gaining any weight back. I have changed the lifestyle that was making me fat-not starving myself for a couple weeks for a special occasion and then gaining the weight back.

Fad diets are harmful to the body-and are not helping you get any fitter or firmer. Only a balanced diet and exercise can do that.


Ilene
11-27-2004, 05:23 PM
I'm with aphil 1000%, BUT, in a pinch, what the heck the cabbage soup seems to work my brother did it a while back... BUT again, girls, please just go back to healthy eating after the occasion, or heck, even during the occasion, because you will bloat like a balloon once you eat and have a drink or two...

aphil
11-27-2004, 06:44 PM
Well...like I said before you will lose some weight...but you'll gain it back. My main problem with the cabbage soup fad diet (which has been around at least since I was a small child) is that 5 out of the 7 days you are eating virtually NO PROTEIN AT ALL.

That is 5 days out of the week of losing nothing but your lean muscle mass...not your fat.

Ilene
11-27-2004, 06:58 PM
I absolutely agree Aphil, but some people will resort to doing things in a panic, that you or I would never do... It's unfortunate really...

K8-EEE
11-27-2004, 07:08 PM
I know you're right April, this is not the way to change in the long term, however I have a size 12 butt and a size 10 dress I'm dying to wear in two weeks.

It was a shock to me how tight it was -- I haven't worn it in a couple of years. I know I'll have to make some permanent changes because now that I'm turning 45 next month, what worked 10 years ago I can't get away with any more. I think the wine will have to go and I can't get away with heavy dinners any more.

At any rate -- I don't think there's any danger in doing this for a week, but keeping it off will be the challenge!

K8-EEE
11-27-2004, 07:11 PM
Well...like I said before you will lose some weight...but you'll gain it back. My main problem with the cabbage soup fad diet (which has been around at least since I was a small child) is that 5 out of the 7 days you are eating virtually NO PROTEIN AT ALL.

That is 5 days out of the week of losing nothing but your lean muscle mass...not your fat.

I think it's OK to take a break from protein for awhile -- I know a lot of skinny gorgeous vegetarians (my daughter for one!) who routinely go two or three days out of the week with no high-protein foods...my daughter eats beans, tofu and lentils every week, but not every day, and she's healthy as a horse.

aphil
11-28-2004, 10:56 AM
I agree that your daughter is probably a very healthy vegetarian-but on the days that she is going low protein I am sure she is not drastically cutting her calorie intake to "cabbage soup" diet level. I am a flexitarian-meaning I choose to eat meatless a few days each week but still do eat meat-so I am very familiar with the vegetarian lifestyle. (Two of the women whom I dance with regularly are also vegetarians.)

Thin doesn't always mean healthy either... ;)

Ilene
11-28-2004, 11:02 AM
My Yoga teacher is a vegetarian and she is VERY overweight! :shrug: Too much of anything, is sometimes not a good thing...

K8-EEE
11-28-2004, 01:48 PM
Well sure if you're a cheese/sugar hound you can be an overweight vegetarian. One thing I've never met is an overweight vegan!! For that reason I was considering becoming one, but it's tough. My dad has been one for 5 years now he eats mostly raw foods. He went from being a steak and martini guy to turning vegan & not drinking at 65, now he's off all his old meds, his doctor is really impressed. He eats mostly salad, salad, salad, nuts and tofu. I think it's boring but his health has improved so dramatically.


My Yoga teacher is a vegetarian and she is VERY overweight! :shrug: Too much of anything, is sometimes not a good thing...

MrsJim
11-28-2004, 02:16 PM
Even though it's been WELL over 10 years since I tried the Cabbage Soup Diet, I still get a bit nauseous just thinking about it...by the 3rd-4th day on the diet, I just couldn't stomach that soup any longer!!! And an unwelcome 'bonus' of the diet was the, um, digestive noises...if you know what I mean.... :lol:

Regarding veganism: I was a vegetarian (lacto-ovo most of the time except when I was a vegan) from 1991-2000 - almost a year of that time I was a TOTAL vegan - following Dr. John McDougall's diet plan in 1996. I lost weight, sure, but I also lost some of my hair and my skin turned terribly flaky and itchy (explanation - too little protein and/or fat - it was a VERY low fat, VERY low protein diet.). So I think there are some UNhealthy vegans out there, not getting what nutrients they need in their daily diets. Being a healthy vegan takes a LOT of planning.

K8-EEE
11-28-2004, 03:38 PM
Wow you sure look good in the photo Mrs. Jim!! 110 pounds, wow, good for you.

That is funny about the your memories of the CSD! My dad eats at least one avocado a day and tons of Brazil nuts -- maybe that's why he hasn't had the dry/skin dry hair?

Sure it takes a lot of planning, but what doesn't? My first "diet" schtick I ever did was Weight Watchers after my first kid was born and it nearly put me in away, the planning, planning planning!! Of course she's 14 now so they have changed "the plan" about 14 times since then, but I remember sitting there figuring out how I could have a sandwich and feeling like eating had turned into a big Rubic's cube type headache!! I HATED IT!! But I know that a lot of people, they love it and do it forever. But I will wager than they are about 1 in a 100. I think they count on 99% people dropping out and coming back for their entire natural lives.

aphil
11-29-2004, 09:44 AM
Yes-the Weight Watchers plan has changed a lot-all you would have to do to have a sandwich is count the points in the bread and filling-and add them up-staying in your points range for the day.

Someone sticking to a certain plan (not just WW) is a very low percentage anyhow-most people yo-yo rather than stick with a way of healthier eating and exercise for life. Most dieters do just that...they go on a "diet" and when they lose some weight go right back to the eating and lifestyle that made them fat. (I have a couple of friends who have lost successfully on Atkins 2 or 3 times...because when they lose weight they go right back to eating the way they used to and are soon overweight again.)

Yes-vegetarian and vegan lifestyles do take a lot of planning to make sure you have enough protein and fat. I am lacto-ovo on my flexitarian days...so I can easily get protein and fat from eggs and dairy...but vegans should definitely eat some nuts, soy, legumes, avacado, a little olive oil, and such in their diets.

Yep-you can be vegetarian and still be overweight-it is all calories you take in vs. calories spent.

K8-EEE
11-30-2004, 01:29 PM
Just bringing this back up in case the person asking about the cabbage soup diet was looking for it since it looks like her thread was closed.

Honestly I think that the Atkins diet is way more wack than this one. I've seen people go into my coffee place and order full cream lattes because that way they don't have any carbs. Yes, drinking a half cup of heavy cream on the way to work and probably after eating eggs for breakfast. Recipe for a heart attack IMO. But that diet can have unlimited threads. To each his own I say...

Anyway if the person finds this thread, I'm on day four and feeling fine. Today is banana day for me so here's a recipe that anybody can make (CSD or not) than was really good for breakfast...you chill some evaporated skim milk (not the sweetened condenced kind, which is fattening!) and put it in the blender with frozen banana chunks, sweetener and cinnamon. This was really good!

aphil
11-30-2004, 01:46 PM
The Atkins diet is a whole other story...and can be true with any plan at all.

There are two ways of low carbing-a healthy way, and an unhealthy way. There are many people who do it healthfully eating fish and lean chicken-and plenty of salads and vegetables...then there are others who eat bacon and steak and use their minimal daily carbs on low carb processed snack foods.

This can also be true of anyone who decides to eat low fat-you can eat low fat and healthful-choosing fruits, veggies, and lean proteins-or you can eat a whole box of Snackwell's fat free devil's food cookies and a pint of fat free ice cream. You aren't eating fat-but you are eating a ton of sugar and chemicals.

There are always going to be a mass amount of folks who try to follow a plan and do whatever they can to eat crap without "breaking their diet rules". Those are the ones who aren't really losing any weight-because they refuse to make the choice to eat healthy-so they find a way around it saying "I can have that because it has no carbs, no fat, fill in the blank here".

The reason that there are whole sections with numerous threads for Weight Watchers, Sugar Busters, Low Carb, etc. is because of the mass amount of people on those types of plans. The threads all vary-one may be recipes, one may be support, another a specific question-and so on. The thread I closed was redundant enough that I directed her over to this one to read it. it saves space on the forum and the amount of threads that moderators have to read through each day.

MrsJim
11-30-2004, 06:00 PM
Regarding Atkins (or any other 'name brand' diet):

I know LOTS of people - both 'in real life' and over the 'net - who say they are 'on Atkins' (or as it is so frequently misspelled "Adkins") but have never ACTUALLY READ THE BOOK (or books, as it were). :rolleyes: They've just skimmed over some articles or whatnot, and figured the diet entails eating steaks, chops, bacon and lots of fat - just as long as you cut out the carbs - and to them, that's Atkins.

I know plenty of people who have 'done' the Cabbage Soup Diet (and its close-cousin, the Hollywood 3-Day Juice Diet, or the Grapefruit Diet, et al). Sure they lost 'scale weight' - like Aphil said, that's water weight and LEAN tissue - but guess what happens in a matter of days or weeks - yup, those pounds came BACK from their vacation and brought a few friends along with them! The Cabbage Soup Diet is a CRASH diet - a diet for TEMPORARY weight loss.

If you are interested, follow this link to a snippet from the book (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=484700&postcount=9) Fat of the Land: The Obesity Epidemic and How Overweight Americans can Help Themselves by Michael Fumento titled 'Get Thin Slowly'.

C. Wayne Callaway, who is quoted in the above snippet, is also cited in an article from the Spring 1993 issue of Nutrition Health Review which you might find of interest:

Rapid weight loss unhealthful: leads to regaining more

NEW YORK: Losing large amounts of weight over a short period of time can lead to serious health problems and also to regaining more weight than was lost, a leading expert on nutrition and weight control said at a media briefing sponsored by the American Medical Association.

C. Wayne Callaway, M.D., who specializes in internal medicine, endocrinology, and clinical nutrition in Washington, D.C., said: "There are several epidemiologic studies that show that people whose weight fluctuates much have increased risk of heart disease." Repeated loss and re-gaining of weight is called the "Yo-Yo diet" syndrome.

In addition, Callaway said: "The risk of gallstones goes up in people who lose weight quickly or lose a lot of weight. If you lose 20 pounds in any time interval, your risk doubles for getting gallstones. If you go on a formula diet, within two to four months, about 25 percent of people who didn't have them to start with will develop gallstones."

Callaway said he believes quick weight loss can even lead to more serious complications. "We know that for certain specific conditions, this type of dieting is hazardous. What is still debated is whether it is hazardous in terms of total death rates. Some of us think it is."

Dr. Callaway continues: "The diet food industry is based on a faulty model that says all you have to do is restrict your food intake and you will lose weight. Then it's your fault that you don't keep it off." He adds that research has shown that when dieters significantly reduce their caloric intake to half or less of what is needed in a day, their bodies adapt to starvation in several ways. The body lowers its metabolic rate and burns less, which sets up a more rapid weight gain after the restrictive diet. Drastic caloric reductions also cause changes in water balance, resulting in an initial loss of a lot of water from breaking down protein.

Callaway warns: "Then as you continue you get into the situation the kids in Somalia are in, in which the body retains excessive amounts of salt and water, causing edema. When you re-feed them, they will retain fluid and that causes the scale to go wacky because as you go from say 800 to 1,200 calories, you start gaining weight, even though you are still not eating a normal amount of food."

Callaway notes that recent research also shows that "starving leads to stuffing." He says at least one biological marker, a brain neurotransmitter called neuropetide Y, causes increased food intake. Callaway says, "When a starved one is re-fed, neuropeptide Y levels go up, overriding satiety (eating beyond satisfaction of hunger). If a wolf hasn't eaten in three weeks, when it makes a kill, it just stuffs itself and the animal who eats the most survives the longest. We see that same thing happening in humans."

Dr. Callaway says people who undereat at breakfast are not hungry until lunch, but then they become famished by lunch. If they have a salad for lunch, thinking it's filling, it's only mechanically filling, but the next meal will make them more instead of less hungry. He advises: "As we are starting to realize how sophisticated the controls of appetite and satiety are, then all of a sudden we realize why it is almost impossible for people to maintain their weight loss when they have been on these really, really restrictive diets. That being the case, there's no point in going through that restrictive phase."

The definitions used in the past for overweight and obesity, Dr. Callaway says, have focused on the wrong segment of the population because they used weight and height, independent of fat distribution pattern and associated conditions. Callaway observes: "We have overdiagnosed obesity in old people, women, and pear-shaped folks ... and we have been missing a group of men with beer-bellies and younger adults where we really need to be focusing."

Those of you who ARE thinking of doing the Cabbage Soup Diet might want to keep the following in mind:

1. Make sure you're close to a bathroom at all times.
2. Always have air freshener or matches on hand.
3. Don't be surprised or depressed when the scale goes back up...

K8-EEE
11-30-2004, 09:45 PM
Well the cabbage doesn't affect me like that at all -- probably for two reasons, one, I'm not really stuffing myself with it (the "all you want" tag is working out to be like, one bowl a day or maybe two if I'm really hungry.)

Actually I'm making an oil-free cole slaw for the remaining 3 days -- with all the soup stuff in it just shredded, with some rice vinegar maybe.

The idea is to eat some negative calorie type food like that, and just limited amounts of other stuff. The other stuff changes every day and is kind of a mind game -- you look forward to whatever is coming up the next day.

I'm not the slightest be tempted to stuff myself after I'm off it -- I'll be counting calories in an effort to maintain the loss til the new year, and then maybe go on it again for one week in Jan.

I like this diet! I like the simplicity of it -- it takes your mind & focus off food for a week and gets you out of the snacking mode.