So as I was going thru threads last night I read that Sarah doesn't eat out very often, and I wondered... do most people eat out, or make their own food? I eat out 1-2 times a day normally, and some days 3 times a day. I make the most healthy decisions that I can (but I'm limited due to where I work), so how do YOU do it? I generally am gone 12 hours a day, and really do want to fit in eating healthy and working out.. I need tips!! I'm scared to think how busy my life is now with just a full time job, and how I'd ever fit kids in is beyond me.. yet lots of people do it.. :dizzy:
I am off to tackle my day (Sunday's are the worst day to work EVER!), Have a great day, and happy thanksgiving to all my Canadian counterparts :)
10-10-2004, 11:53 AM
When I need a meal on the run my favourite place to visit is The Extreme Pita. Tasty and healthy to boot I find its a great alternative to Subway (which is far too carb-laden for my tastes). As soon as you enter the store there's a huge chart that lists the nutritional values of every single item on the menu (a substantive breakdown that includes sodium and fibre in addition to the usual calories, fat, carbs, etc.). Take a look: http://www.extremepita.com/web/
Swiss Chalet is a decent choice too, especially if you modify the standard "1/4 chicken dinner" order. I always request white meat with the skin removed and garden salad with raspberry vinegrette (instead of the famous baked potato or fries). I don't use the butter that comes with the little bun and dip it in the "Chalet sauce" instead. Being a Weight Watcher's follower, I feel good knowing I can eat a filling 7 point guilt-free meal (chicken breast (3), salad & dressing (1), bun (2), sauce (1).
I attend a lot of interoffice meetings where food is provided, but it usually consists of mayonnaise-based sandwiches, pasta salads dripping with oil, donuts, or worse yet, ordering in chinese food! I make it a habit of keeping little tubs of food on hand for such occasions. For example, tinned tuna or salmon moistened with a little lemon juice and mixed with diced celery and green onions(to spread on fibre bread), grapes and cubed melon, raw veggies and suitable dip, nuts and dried fruit, a couple of hard boiled eggs, along with other things that are easy to buy, store and bring to work such as single-serving containers of yogurt and fresh whole fruit.
Too bad you have to work today, but I hope you have tomorrow off to relax and enjoy Thanksgiving! :)
10-10-2004, 12:11 PM
For the first 2 months of my healthier eating plan, I didn't eat out at all. Then I had visitors so I ate out a couple times when they were here, but we cooked as well. Then after that, I didn't eat out again for about another month. I've eaten out a couple times, but it is usually for some event/occassion, not just to eat out.
At work I have access to a fridge, so I make all my meals for the day and take them to work with me. There are times (when I go to school or when I was at another office) that I didn't have access to a fridge so I packed my meals in either a ice chest with refreezable ice things or an insulated lunch bag.
10-10-2004, 12:23 PM
Alright so if you've got no choice but to continue eating out ( I understand, we do a lot too), here are some of the "healthier" options out there that I tend to go for...
- Extreme Pita or Pita Pit (you can have almost anything off the menu, and its delish)
- McDonalds (Whole Wheat Chicken McGrill w/ a Fruit & Yogourt Parfait)
- Wendy's (Salads w/ Low Fat dressing, Plain Baked Pototoe w/ Chili on Top, Grilled Chicken Sandwich)
- Subway or Mr. Sub
- Panago (when I'm craving Pizza, thin crust veggie pizza w/ half the cheese)
Hope these eating out things help... those are my staples when I have to do food on the run!
Other than that, for lunches at work.. I tend to bring a Lean Cuisine w/ Some Veggies to much on or leftovers from dinner the night before! :D
10-10-2004, 01:25 PM
I try to not eat out. If I do, I usually go for a salad from Burger King, McDonalds or a pizza place. I ALWAYS have my Hidden Valley FF Ranch Dressing along.
Applebees has an awesome weight watchers menu. Ruby Tuesday has some excellent selections which are both carb and calorie friendly.
Almost every resturaunt has some decent choices. I pack my lunch for work usually. This way I know I have calories counted up and know where I am for the day.
10-10-2004, 11:10 PM
I found a little sushi place by my work, so I try and go there.. or sometimes I just stick with the grocery store that has a deli, they have soup and chilli. But I'm really trying to arrange it so I only eat salad's at work (it's one of the few things that sits well).. keep your fingers crossed for me though! I did SO good today, I had a little snack before work, ate a little something when I go to work (about a 3 hour gap), and then had a salad and an apple for lunch.. and I'm hoping to eat dinner soon.. if I can off my butt (I don't function well on 4 hours of sleep and a 12 hour day). Thank you for all the eating out tips.. pizza is a huge weakness of mine.. and we always get panago because they do debit at the door :) We only have one Applebee's here, and it's not near my house, but there is TONS of japanese places, which I have recently discovered to be low in points!
Jillegal - I work all day tomorrow too, and I was supposed to have Tuesday off, but there is a huge signage change, and since we are short staffed I have to participate. But I DO get next Saturday off :)
Nelie - I do have access to a fridge at work, but it's SO tiny it barely fits a container with my salad in it. It's also a shared fridge, and my food tends to "disappear". I'm thinking of things that don't need to be in the fridge.. like fruit.. fruit leather's, crackers.. there are tons of things really. I am just being lazy, because when I get home from work.. all I wanna do is sleep! heh
Thanks for all the tips.. I even wrote a few down .. :)
10-10-2004, 11:37 PM
I have found that for me, it's best when I just don't eat out. I pack my lunch for work every day. We have a small fridge too, but what I bring doesn't take up too much space. Tunafish, maybe some turkey or cheese.
When I must eat out, I do like the others and just aim for healthier choices.
I just watched Super Size me this weekend. I will be steering clear of fast food for a while!!! :D
10-11-2004, 12:28 AM
Ok, so no fridge to speak of...hmmm....ok here are my suggestions:
* Pack small stuff in one of those little insulated bags with one of those slim icepacks that you freeze and refreeze -- they work well, and I used to do this every day. Small stuff could include: a healthy sandwich, yogurt, veggies, cottage cheese, 2 oz. portions of chicken or turkey, etc.
* I don't think you mentioned whether you have a microwave at work or not, but if you do, you could make a big batch of some on plan something that you like, and then freeze individual servings -- then take a serving to work FROZEN, and let it sit out thawing before you nuke it. I freeze veggie soup w/mixed beans, turkey chili, ratatouille, sauteed fish, my beloved you-either-love-it-or-hate-it brown rice/tuna/kidney bean combo, and more. You get the idea.
* Unassembled tuna or chicken sandwich: tuna or chicken in aluminum packets, low- or non-fat mayo packets, whole wheat or multigrain bread in a baggie.
* Various good stuff that doesn't have to be refrigerated: tuna or chicken in aluminum packets, protein powder (add water and stir,) fruit, whole wheat pita or tortillas or bread, dry Kashi Go Lean and/or All Bran Extra Fiber for a crunchy OP snack to combine with protein (may sound weird but I LOVE it!), All-Bran Sugar Cinnamon Breakfast Bar (not ideal, but at 5 grams of fiber, 11 grams of sugar, and 3 grams of fat, it's much better than a lot of the other bars out there -- although I don't eat them as a rule.)
I'm sure there are plenty of other options, but it's late and I'm running out now! I just know that it's absolutely possible for you to make it work -- where there's a will there's a way. And maybe it doesn't have to be an all or nothing change; you could start out with 3 days a week, for example, and already you'd be making a huge improvement in both your health and weight loss -- AND your pocketbook!
Ivanna B. Skinny
10-11-2004, 09:41 AM
Aimee-- (BTW...I like the way you spell your name!)
--When we go out to a nice place ( not fast food) I ALWAYS take my own pre-measured container of salad dressing. And I always drink water instead of soda out, just because restaurant food always seems so salty, and I figure I need as much H2O as possible!
10-11-2004, 10:28 AM
I live in NYC, and the lifestyles here are such that it's nearly impossible not to eat out at least some, although we have cut down substantially. I've found ways to make it work, however. (One thing that helps me is that most New York restaurants have reasonable, not insane, portion sizes, unlike most chain restaurants.)
You beat me to the punch on the sushi :). I think certain types of ethnic foods are generally healthier than your traditional American/Canadian fare: Japanese is one; Chinese can be if you order the right things, like steamed vegetable dumplings; Middle Eastern is also really good. Another thing that I do that really helps if a place has big portions is to have the server box part of the meal before I even start eating; that way I'm not tempted to eat it all.
You can make this work! It's definitely possible to eat healthily and eat out; it just takes some a little planning and a little self-knowledge to know what you need to steer clear of altogether!
10-11-2004, 11:27 AM
It's definitely that planning ahead thing where I lack.. and that whole thing of "just get up 15 minutes early" just doesn't work.. lol, I wake up, reset my alarm and get those last 15 minutes in of sleep! (doesn't 5:30am just seem WAY too early to get up?) This week I have no choice though, I accidentally spent too much and have no cash until Thursday, heh.. how's that for forcing myself to eat healthy? And speaking of sleeping in.. I overslept and am almost late for work! Have a great day :)
Amy Jo - it's the french way of spelling "amy", je suis francais! Of course I can barely speak french.. hehe
Jennifer - can I come live with you? I've decided I love NYC :)
10-11-2004, 12:05 PM
Depending on the outcome of the election (I'm being as vague as possible here to be P.C.!), I might be moving to Canada, anyway, so we can swap residences :lol: .
10-11-2004, 11:13 PM
Jen - you don't wanna live in my house... my country? Yes.. but trust me on that house thing. I was recently in Seattle visiting my brother and we were talking about health, and I was mentioning something about how I get pretty good prices on the pill. Anywho, he enlightened me to the health situation in the USA.. and it's SCARY! I honestly can't imagine having to pay to see a doctor, and while the waiting lists are pretty long in Canada.. at least you eventually get in. I'm so ignorant when it comes to places other than my immediate surrounding..
So on the food front.. I did GOOD with my planning.. but was met with a slight snag in my plans.. I was sick, not just sick.. but full out "I'm gonna barf/passout/die" sick. Not only that, I had to work 8 hours, yup... 8 hours, there was NO ONE to come in. On the other hand.. I could treat it as weight control? I'll just get a fever/migraine/nausea everyday!! hmm.. I'm kidding..
10-12-2004, 12:36 AM
Since you mentioned pretty good prices on the pill, I remember my exbf being amazed at how cheap the pill was compared to oh say condoms. I get 6 months of pills for 10 bucks. I personally don't mind paying to see a doctor but then again I only see a doctor maybe once or twice a year and it costs 20 bucks a visit.
10-12-2004, 01:11 AM
I was sick a few years ago and I saw about 6 doctors in a few months, and I saw each doctor 2-3 times each.. I was a college student, and if I had to pay I'd still be paying it off.
Nelie - how do you get the pill so cheap? I thought prescriptions were expensive in the USA?
10-12-2004, 02:55 AM
The way I look at it we have to pay for our health insurance but so do you. You pay in the form of tax's. We have tax's too but I don't think there as high as yours. I could be wrong. However when I go to a doctor I go to the one I want to go to and at the time I need to go. No waiting on a list. National health care is a nice thought but I think if you look at most of the countrys that have that type of care it's not as good as it should be. I'm no expert though. That's just my opinion. Do you feel yours is what it should be? I just know I would not want the goverment anymore involved in my health care than they already are. I would be interested to here more about how you feel about your health care. I don't know that much about Canada.
10-12-2004, 12:06 PM
Swim, I have medical insurance through my employer. Prescriptions, in general, are expensive if you don't have healthcare but really there are few people that don't have health care one way or another. If you work full time, your employer provides insurance (and even some part time employments have insurance), if you go to college, your school will offer some kind of healthcare, if you are over 65 (55?), there is a government subsidized healthcare, if you are low income, there is also another government subsidized healthcare and if you are disabled in some way, there is also a government subsidized healthcare.
The people that seem to be hit hardest with prescription costs are the elderly that rely on the government subsidized healthcare because they are the ones that tend to take the most medications (and some of them are really really expensive) and even though they don't have to pay full price, since they have a limited income, it is hard for them.
Birth control pills in general, even if you don't have health insurance, aren't all that expensive, about 30/month through such places as planned parenthood. A lot cheaper than having a kid ;)
Howie is correct, our taxes aren't as high as Canada's because we are mostly responsible for our own healthcare. Although I believe there are laws (I may be wrong) that say employers have to offer health insurance to their employees that work full time, so that covers a lot of working people.
10-12-2004, 02:32 PM
As for the pill, the prescription is 30 bucks a month here, and thru planned parenthood it's about 7 bucks a month (I used to work for them). I pay about 5 bucks a month, but if I had to pay 30 bucks a month? Well, I can't afford to.. infact.. it's odd, you can get an abortion for free here, but you have to pay for the birth control pill. Doesn't seem right.. However if you tell your doctor you can't afford the pill, they often give you their samples.
I'm not sure how high taxes are here, I only pay about 10%- 12% of my paycheque goes to taxes, and my boyfriend? Depends on his hours, if he works 16 hours at week he doesn't pay anything to taxes. And we are always getting tax returns (partly because of investments). The problem with offering full time employee's health care is that employers just give the minimum hours so that they don't have to give health care.
And am I happy with my health care system? Most definitely! The only problem I've had was when I was rushed to emergency with a broken nose.. I had to wait for 3 hours because of a huge car accident, but in that case.. there was nothing anyone could have done. All the other surgery I've had was elective, and I've gotten in within 2 weeks of my initial visit to the doctor. But I guess thats also depends on where you live, when you live in a city like Vancouver with millions of people, I would definitely expect a waiting list, just because there are SO many people. And for my visiting to doctors? I just go when I want to or need to, or have to. I've also seen specialists, there is one specialist in a certain woman problem I have, and I got in to see her within 2 weeks as well. I've also seen psychologists, no waiting lists, and not paying.
So what happens when you can't afford to see a doctor? I mean, I saw this man in Seattle who was visibly in pain, and when I looked closer it looked like he had a broken rib.. why couldn't he go to the hospital? Or could he? I honestly don't know anything about the USA health care system.. but hearing about people losing their houses over a medical problem is kinda scary to me. But is that a normal thing?
10-12-2004, 02:51 PM
Well in the US, you can go to the hospital for injuries/problems without insurance but you are billed for it. Again, I'm not sure about the exact law, but you can't be refused for healthcare, even if you can't afford it.
I've never heard of anyone losing their house over a medical problem, so I'm not sure what you are referring to.
I think the number of people that have health insurance in the US is quite large, but I think the problem that most people have is that not everyone has the same quality of health insurance. So that is why I believe there has been talk of having universal healthcare in the US, that way everyone has equality in healthcare.
10-12-2004, 02:57 PM
For one before I lost my house to medical bills I would file bankruptcy. They let you keep you house when you do that. As far as people going without medical treatment I think most hospitals will treat people although I'm not really sure about that. Also there are free clinics and such. I think your higher tax comes in the form of gas and cigerettes and other purchases. I'm glad you system works for you. I would be all for it here if it worked well and we maintained the same quality of health care we have now. I have my doubts that anything run by our goverment would be as good as what we have now.
10-12-2004, 03:43 PM
I remember reading a story in the paper long, long ago about this woman (lived in Florida) who fell on her front step, broke her hip and the upshot of it all was that her medical bills were so horrendous that she was going to go bankrupt and lose her house and she ended up committing suicide. Still I can't say that the Canadian system is perfect by any stretch of the imagination and it is a huge drain on our tax dollars.
10-12-2004, 08:04 PM
I think you can lose your house with bankruptcy, but I think it might be different state to state. And while being bankrupt is an option for some.. I think the stigma attached to it is too much for some to handle. I know I couldn't handle it, I would probably lose every ounce of self esteem, knowing that I just wasn't able to control my finances would eat away at me. I was also brought up to think debt wasn't an option, my mom has credit cards, but they are paid off in full monthly, that was my role model.
As for the whole Canadian/American which is better thing, it's all what you get used to. And I've always been in Canada, so thats all I'm used to. Taxes are definitely more depending on where you live, in Alberta there is 7%, but in BC there is 14.5% on regular purchases. I don't know about cig. taxes, I've never bought a pack of smokes, but I know they are raising them on purpose. They are hoping that the price will force people to quit, so that might be a positive thing.
10-12-2004, 08:50 PM
With all due respect to the folks for whom the current system works, I disagree. Yes, *most* employers do offer some form of insurance to their full-time employees, but at what point after their employment? And at what cost? As premiums are rising, more and more of that financial burden is downloaded onto the employee. And what services are covered? More to the point, which are covered currently? As for quality of care, if you ask those working in the medical community that question they can cite specific examples of compromised care as a result of compromised coverage due to compromised cost. An estimated 45 million Americans are without any health care coverage -- how is that ok? And if they can find a hospital that will give them adequate care when they take their child into the emergency room for unidentified but legitimate ailments, what is the quality of that diagnostic care? And who pays for it? Because someone's going to pay for it, rest assured. And Medicare? It's estimated that at the current rate of spending, they'll be out of funds in 15 years. And what about the self-employed? Have you heard about the cost of *their* premiums lately? And what about the fact that drug companies (including American drug companies) sell the same drugs to Americans at a far higher cost than elsewhere, like, for example, Canada? As to the possibility of bankruptcy as an option to avoid losing your home in the event of a health-related catastrophe.......well I'm not going to respond to that (because I fear my head might blow off my neck in agitation! :( ) other than to say that I find it simply astonishing that in this superpower, this enormous and great nation that prides itself on caring for its citizens, in this country that has set some important standards within our current world...this discourse could even be possible.
Sorry, this is nothing personal, Nelie and Howie -- love and respect you both to pieces, but we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. I see it as a HUGE problem in our country, and one of which I'm very ashamed, frankly. We're better than this.
Here's (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/10/11/MNGII96CVP1.DTL) an article in yesterday's SF Chronicle with more. It's the first in a five-part series.
10-12-2004, 10:29 PM
Good points Sarah. I know there are problems big ones as you have pointed out but I still don't want the government running our health care. They have already shown us what they do with Social Insecurity and Medicare. I don't know what the answer is but it's not that. Nothing taken personal. I'm not up on the facts I can only go by what I see in my family and friends. I guess I should think about it more. I should have known you would come through with the facts and information. Thanks for your input.
10-12-2004, 11:38 PM
Sarah is so smart.. infact.. can I borrow your brain? I have to agree with you on all your points, and while the system isn't better in Canada.. I think anything is better than people losing their house or being in financial ruin because their kidney might fail, or any other medical problem.
I just wanted to add one thing, many MANY employers do anything they can to keep their employee's from getting full time status, they give 1 hour below, or hire them "temporary full time" which means the company doesn't have to pay out any benefits. I know that Wal-Mart does this, and I'm sure it doesn't stop there. It's sad that they deny so many people their health.
Okay, lets stop this conversation here.. in the end.. nothing is perfect, and I doubt anyone has the perfect answer where the drug companies get all their money, and people don't have to pay to feel well.
10-14-2004, 08:13 PM
Sorry we hijacked your thread here. As far as your original question I do a lot of take out also. I order things like grilled chicken, chili, salads, and Turkey subs with all the veggies on it. I never was one who needed a lot of variety. I also do a cheeseburger or pizza here and there if I have calories. Everything in moderation.