PCOS/Insulin Resistance Support - PCOS Monthly Chat For October 2004

:sunny: HI GIRLS!! :wave:

Welcome to fall!! Even here down in Tucson it's turning colder. Only the mid 80's instead of 100s, and it cools down at night now so I can leave my window open instead of running the A/C 24/7. Cuts my electric bill down too. I don't think I ran the heater but maybe twice last year. I have a feeling though that this year it's going to be a bit colder so I might have to run it more. Darn!! :(

Not much is new here...We're going to have a community yard sale on October 23rd, so I am going to spend these next 22 days getting ready for it. I have WAY too much junk and it's time to get rid of it!! OUT!! Hopefully anyhow. :lol:

Sunday is my daughters 11th birthday. :( I can't believe it. Seems like yesterday I was at the hospital walking and waiting for labor to start, and now she's almost a teenager!! I miss the baby days...she let me cuddle her then. :lol:

Well, guess that's enough boredom for now. Let me know how you all are doing ok!!! :grouphug:

Hi Noodles! Have fun at your yard sale. My neighborhood has a big one every year. They even bus people in and put in porta-johns in the center of it all. :crazy: I had to work during it this year, so no fun for me!

Right now I'm staring at my bottle of Met XR, wondering if I'll start it tonight. I probably won't. :lol: I really don't want to do this again! I get my updated IR test in a couple of weeks, so hopefully I'll get good results and he'll tell me I don't have to take it. :lol:

That's what they do here, Jennifer. They bus people in!! It's great!! I'd rather be out there shopping though, but I have too much stuff around here as it is so no shopping for now...at least at yard sales. :lol:

Last night I started to price stuff and somehow wound up cleaning my whole desk and bookcase instead. Oh well...now I have organization again. And a closet full of stuff needing going through. Oh well I have 22 days to do it. I'm sure I can accomplish alot by then. And if not they do this again in April...plus there is always the swap meet. The swap meet is at night here. It's really cool!!!

Well, how is everyone else doing?? Check in so we know you're ok!! :coffee2:

You mentioned you don't want to start Met XR again...why is that? Just curious. Bad side effects?

I was on Met (not XR) a couple of years ago after my endo diagnosed me. I hate to take any meds though...so I did for a year. When I went to a new gyno/fertility specialist, he looked at my charts and said the endo didn't even give me the tests to determine whether I really needed it, like the 2 hr fasting. So I did and everything was fine and I never needed it.

I hope you don't need it either for whatever reason. Plus any meds get expensive.

Girlie

Hi, Girlie. It always gave me stomach cramps and diarrhea in the past. I also constantly imagined my liver and kidneys hurting after I read the side effects! I still keep staring at the bottle on my desk. I might as well take it and then if my blood work later in the month comes back good I'll quit again, unless I'm tolerating it very well. I doubt it, though! He feels really sure that it will help me lose weight better than I'm doing now. Maybe by the laxative effect! :lol:

LOL @ Laxative Effect!! :dizzy: But sadly, that is how alot of women first lose some of the weight via glucophage/Metformin. Then when your body adjusts it all comes back unless you keep on track with a proper diet and exercise. Something I haven't been doing well lately. :( But this weekend I did manage to get my office book cases and tables and desk cleaned and organized and I priced about 6 boxes of yard sale stuff. Only 10000 boxes to go!! :o Or so it feels like it. Last night for the kids birthday, we went out to dinner at Applebees. I was a good girl and got grilled chicken. I couldn't eat it all. We're going to celebrate her birthday next weekend by taking a weekend trip to the giant mall in Phoenix. Sounds fun huh!! I love shopping. :D You can tell by all of this stuff I have hanging around. :o

Hi everyone else!! :wave: Hi Lurkers!! I know you're out there...lurking away... ;)

I still havent' taken that Met yet. Since the last time I took Gluc XR, they've come out with a generic XR. Good to know! I got a tetanus shot on Friday and I haven't felt good ever since. Might be coincidence. Either way, I don't want to take Met on top of an already icky stomach, so I'll wait a couple of more days.

Congrats on getting your office shelves clean, Noodles. I've been looking at mine for a couple of weeks now. I can't stand clutter. You'd never know by looking around my house though, :lol:.

Hi Folks,

Mouse, here is a study that talks about swimming:
Gwinup, G. (1987). Weight loss without dietary restriction: Efficacy of different forms of aerobic exercise. American Journal of Sports Medicine, 15, 275-279

I found it referred to at:
http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/swimming.htm

Swimming is a great form of exercise, it says. Also, it's a pretty old study...

I'm going to send that link for the study to a friend of mine. She is a US Olympic swim coach, as well as having loads of experience in aquatic therapy and rehab.

The study, as I read it quickly, seems to be awfully short on science. I was able to find an abstract of the article on-line... the "review" at the link posted doesn't mention that the women studied had orthopedic impairments as well. And the review itself notes that the women weren't on diets (IE, didn't restrict calories).
I can't help but wonder what kind of effect that has on the study. You can't expect to lose weight just by exercise... you need to eat less, AND exercise.

:mouse:

Thanks, Jennifer. I'm trying!! I want to get rid of all this stuff. I really am a very detailed, organized person so it drives me nuts with stuff cluttered. I use to sell on EbaY full time so people just kept giving me stuff to sell. Well now I have way too much and it's time to weed it out!! :) I just have a feeling it will take me a year at least...and that's working on it almost every day. :( I should just donate most of it. Fill up some bags and leave it out there for the donation guys. Yeah...sounds good to me!!

Only problem is I have to weed through the stuff to figure out whats worth $$ and what isn't. We're going to try to go to Hawaii next summer and this will be part of the fundage for it. "I sold my clutter to go to Hawaii!! " will be the T Shirt I'll wear. :lol:

> the "review" at the link posted doesn't mention that the women studied
> had orthopedic impairments as well.

The study mentions nothing about the women having "orthopedic impairments." Women between the ages of 20 and 40, who were minimally to moderately obese (defined as approximately 30% to 40% of total body weight as fat) took part in the study. Any subject with a significant medical problem or any orthopaedic problem which would limit participation in the study was excluded.

Best wishes,

Christian

Christian Finn, M.Sc.

Hi Girls...

Well, I'm pretty upset today. Last night I was listening to the news while working on PC stuff and happened to hear my eye surgeons name mentioned. I glanced up and caught the tail end of the story. I thought they said murdered, but I really didn't believe it. Well, I checked the local news papers and sure enough... I found this article:

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/crime/42297.php

Needless to say I'm PISSED and upset and it breaks my heart. This man wasnt just a doctor like those old stuffy doctors. When my aunt went in for her cataract surgery at the same hospital 2 months later, he happened to be there doing a surgery and was walking through the halls and stopped dead in his tracks when he saw me and greeted me like I was an old friend. It's because of him I don't have to look at people like I'm a dork anymore. I can wear contacts. I cried happy tears when I walked out of his office because I appreciated it so much...now I cry sad tears for all of the little kids that have this problem and were in line to get theirs fixed. And just tears for the whole brutal thing. :(

And I keep thinking oh I'm so fat, I have all these problems, then stuff like this happens and it sure puts me back in check with reality and how good I really do have it and how short life is. Ugh. Excuse me while I cuss a little. :censored:

Noodles, I read the article. I'm very sorry, it sounds like a very good person was lost.

Sorry to hear about your doctor - I hope that find who was responsible and they receive some justice....

That's so sad, Noodles. And his poor patients, I can't imagine the children that have to get this news. How'd you manage to get him for a dr? My son's pediatrician strictly cuts off people at 18. Was he a childhood Dr for you?

Christian, I see you are the author of the study. Nice to meet you! If you ever feel like hanging out with Fat Chicks, I'm sure your expertise would be appreciated! :)

> Christian, I see you are the author of the study.
> Nice to meet you!

Nice to meet you too! I wrote the review of the study, but the trial was done by a guy called Professor Grant Gwinup.

> If you ever feel like hanging out with Fat Chicks,
> I'm sure your expertise would be appreciated!

Sure, if there are any questions, I'll do what I can to help.

Best wishes,

Christian

Christian Finn, M.Sc.
Founder, The Facts About Fitness Ltd.

That's so sad, Noodles. And his poor patients, I can't imagine the children that have to get this news. How'd you manage to get him for a dr? My son's pediatrician strictly cuts off people at 18. Was he a childhood Dr for you?


It is very sad. :( I managed to get him because my Optomalogist referred me to him. My surgery was one that was usually performed on children, but could be performed on adults by a very skilled surgeon, and he was the expert so...I decided to take a chance and go see him. I'm soo glad I did and my eyes are glad too. I never took this surgery for granted and especially now after all this.

As a matter of fact, today after I stopped by the office to sign the guest book and get funeral arrengements, I went to see my Optomalogist. (He and I are on pal terms because we went to high school together.) He had just found out and was very visibly upset. He kept shaking my hand... I think he was in shock too. It is big time news here now in this city...they are swarming over this story. He was stabbed to death. He put up a struggle. They didnt steal his $$ or phone or anything.

So Now I have a wake and funeral to attend Friday and Saturday. I just wish I could give something more..something back for what this man gave me. I'll never ever whine about my contacts being scratchy ever again. If I do slap me ok. You have my permission.

If you guys want to see his picture and obituary, here it is.

http://www.tucson.com/classified/in...003200752-01802

Hi Everyone!

It's b.een a while since I've been on the boards - the big day is approaching, and I have been pretty busy with wedding preparations.

First of all - Noodles, I am so sorry about your doctor. What a horrible thing to have happened; how awful for your community. I hope they catch whomever was heartless enough to resort to such violence :(

A little personal update on my front - my new endo put me on Metformin ER (generic Glucophage XR) about 6 weeks ago. He is very confident that a change of BCP plus the spiro and met will at least slow the hairloss, and maybe even stop it within 3-6 months. Regrowth is another story, but I'll take what I can get, you know?

Yes, the initial met symptoms were uncomfortable (in my case, *horrendous* gas for the first 3 days, and a recurrence of gas everytime my dosage was upped (first week starting at 500 mg daily ending with 1500 mg daily), but my body did adjust. And I have to say that I am one of the lucky ones that met is really working for. Initially it zapped my energy big time, and I quit going to the gym for about a month. I also had to incorporate some white stuff into my diet (temporarily) to help minimize the gas. My doc's advice was "Listen, give yourself a break while you adjust to the meds, give yourself a good 6 weeks, ok? The XR has fewer side effects that the regular, but it still won't be pleasant." My energy has returned to normal, I'm back at the gym, eating whole grains and veggies again, and those last 6 lbs came off after what seemed like a never-ending plateau. I have to say, the met is somewhat decreasing my appetite, and definately controlling my carb cravings. I also developed an aversion to fried foods on it, which is a welcome change. One more plus - this is the first time in my life when I haven't gotten cramps at all with my period and I had zero PMS. BIG change. Fiancee is thrilled :) He was the one who tapped me on the shoulder and said "Hey, you didn't flip out this week. Cool."

I just wanted to throw a successful met story on here, as well as share the good news. Question - anyone going to the NYC PCOS conference this weekend?

> the "review" at the link posted doesn't mention that the women studied
> had orthopedic impairments as well.

The study mentions nothing about the women having "orthopedic impairments."
I looked up the abstract for the article. I have access via my student account at Johns Hopkins. The very first sentence says, "Since women with orthopedic impairments..." Now, if they aren't doing a study on women with orthpedic impairments, why are is that the opening sentence?
American Journal of Sports Medicine, Vol 15, Issue 3 275-279, Copyright © 1987 by American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine
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JOURNAL ARTICLES
Weight loss without dietary restriction: efficacy of different forms of aerobic exercise
G Gwinup
Since obese patients with orthopaedic disabilities are often advised to undertake swimming as a part of a weight loss program, the effect of swimming on body weight was systematically studied. Minimally to moderately obese, otherwise healthy young women seeking to lose weight through a program of exercise without dietary restrictions were randomly assigned to one of three groups in which only the type of daily exercise was different. The three types of exercise were brisk walking, riding a stationary cycle, and swimming laps in a pool. All women slowly but progressively increased the time spent in daily exercise to 60 minutes. After 6 months or slightly longer, the women assigned to walking lost 10% of initial weight, the women who cycled lost 12%, but the women who swam lost no weight. The thickness of the subcutaneous panniculus over the middle of the extensor surface of the upper arm was measured using a Lang skin-fold caliper (Graham Field Co, New York, NY) and showed equivalent substantial reductions in the walkers and cyclists, but no change in the swimmers. The results of this study show that both walking and cycling are effective methods of reducing body fat, but that swimming is not.
Women between the ages of 20 and 40, who were minimally to moderately obese (defined as approximately 30% to 40% of total body weight as fat) took part in the study. Any subject with a significant medical problem or any orthopaedic problem which would limit participation in the study was excluded.

If the study did NOT involve women with orthpedic impairment, the sentence makes no sense. And I've shown both the copy on your website and the article abstract to several people who are either US Olympic Swim coaches, or Physical Therapists with certification in aqua therapy. None of them agree with the statements in the article, and indicate that swimming is probably one of the best exercises out there. I'm not that interested in the topic to spend $12 to get the full article, but some questions I continue to have:
1. Was the study controlled for what the women ate? It seems not, since they didn't restrict intake.

Because, frankly, I have lost weight since I started swimming more. Over the last year, I've lost more than 60 pounds. My issue is that I haven't lost any weight since June or July, despite adding weight lifting. So perhaps we should do a study to see if WEIGHT LIFTING causes weight loss too?

:mouse:

> Now, if they aren't doing a study on women with orthpedic
> impairments, why are is that the opening sentence?

You need to read the full paper. This study was not done on women with orthopedic impairments. The abstract simply makes reference to the fact that "obese patients with orthopaedic disabilities are often advised to undertake swimming as part of a weight loss program."

> And I've shown both the copy on your website and the article
> abstract to several people who are either US Olympic Swim
> coaches, or Physical Therapists with certification in aqua therapy.
> None of them agree with the statements in the article,

They agree with none of the statements? What about the one below?

"Of course, this study isn't meant to put you off swimming. Any form of exercise, provided you expend a sufficient number of calories doing it, will help you lose weight."

> and
> indicate that swimming is probably one of the best exercises out
> there.

One of the best exercises for what?

> Was the study controlled for what the women ate?
> It seems not, since they didn't restrict intake.

No, it was not. Assuming that all three groups burned a similar number of calories, the swimmers must have compensated by eating more.

> Because, frankly, I have lost weight since I started swimming more.
> Over the last year, I've lost more than 60 pounds. My issue is that I
> haven't lost any weight since June or July, despite adding weight lifting.
> So perhaps we should do a study to see if WEIGHT LIFTING causes
> weight loss too?

Any form of exercise, including resistance exercise and aerobic exercise - including swimming - will lead to weight loss, providing that it leads to a calorie imbalance (i.e. you burn more calories than you eat).

Best wishes,

Christian

Christian Finn, M.Sc.
Founder, The Facts About Fitness Ltd.

If the women swimming ate more, what is the point of saying that swimming doesn't assist with weight loss?

Further, I said that none of the people I showed the article to agreed with the statements in the article, not that people I showed the article to agreed with none of the statements.

I question the study, and you're not willing to answer those questions: If the women in the swimming group didn't lose any fat, then it wasn't because of swimming. There was some other reason. Your guess that they ate more calories in compensation for the exercise might be a good one. But since we don't know that, the only conclusion I can come to is that the study wasn't done properly.

:mouse:

> If the women swimming ate more, what is the point of saying that
> swimming doesn't assist with weight loss?

I don't recall ever saying that swimming doesn't assist with weight loss. As I point out at the end of article:

"Of course, this study isn't meant to put you off swimming. Any form of exercise, provided you expend a sufficient number of calories doing it, will help you lose weight."

> Further, I said that none of the people I showed the article to agreed
> with the statements in the article, not that people I showed the article
> to agreed with none of the statements.

Yes, you're absolutely correct. I apologise for my misunderstanding.

> I question the study, and you're not willing to answer those questions:

I have answered all the questions put to me.

> If the women in the swimming group didn't lose any fat,
> then it wasn't because of swimming. There was some
> other reason.

You're correct - any form of exercise, providing it creates a calorie deficit - will promote fat loss.

> Your guess that they ate more calories in
> compensation for the exercise might be a good one.

This was also what Professor Gwinup thought:

"Presumably," speculates Professor Gwinup, "swimming in cold water stimulates the appetite to increase caloric consumption."

> But since we don't know that, the only conclusion
> I can come to is that the study wasn't done properly.

There are, of course, many aspects of the study which could have been improved. Some form of dietary control would have been a good start. I think, however, that the trial does provide a valuable insight into the efficacy of swimming as a way to lose fat. The findings are consistent with the experience of others:

"Swimmers, especially female swimmers, face an energy balance conundrum. Elite swimmers typically undertake 4000-20,000 m per day in training, burning thousands of calories. However, the typical body fat levels of these athletes are significantly higher than runners or cyclists who expend similar or even smaller amounts of energy in their training. Many female swimmers have fought well-publicized battles with their body fat levels and with their coaches!

Do energy discrepancies really exist in swimming? Why do swimmers seem to have drawn the short straw of body fat management? The following theories have been suggested..."

http://www.sportsci.org/news/compeat/fat.html

It was not my intention to "attack" swimming. Rather, my goal was to point out both the benefits and the potential drawbacks of swimming as a way to lose weight.

Best wishes,

Christian

Ok....................


I think we've heard enough about the swmming study thing now guys. Let's not keep going back and forth with this ok. This forum isn't made for that. Peace please. Thanks!!! :)

Hi,
I was just doing some reading on the role of magnesium and insulin resistance... The study claimed that many people with IRS has low levels of magnesium.

A naturopath has suggested that I try a supplement, due to having poor concentration and sleep problems - not a great combination as a uni student and a mum:)

Does anyone here take a magnesium supplement? If so, do you think it helps?

Cheers,
Marianna

I started taking it for heart health, but somehow forgot about them! My sister takes them, I'll ask her if she's noticed anything by way of sleep and concentration and get back to you. Meanwhile, I'll dig mine out. Thanks for the reminder. :)

Hey that magnesium thing sounds interesting...I'd be interested in hearing more too!! Maybe I should take some. I always have a hard time getting to sleep at night unless I'm thoroughly exhausted. Then I still manage to wake up in the middle of the night for some reason...it gets frustrating after a while. :tired:

So what did everyone do this weekend?? Saturday we went out to breakfast and did some shopping. I was a good girl and only got stuff I would use or give away as gifts. No "junk cause I had to have it" stuff. Yesterday we worked on more yard sale stuff. We went through the whole kitchen and re-organized everything and cleaned out 6 bins full of old dishes, glassware, pots & pans, etc. for the yard sale. Then I gave it a good sudsy cleaning. Looks like a brand new kitchen!! :smug:

Today I go see the endo. I get to find out when the ovaries get to come out. Yeck. Then a dental appointment after that. Then to the grocery store. Then home to cook dinner and price more stuff. Wheee...exciting!! NOT! :lol:

Have a good day girls!! :wave:

(I get these "spiritual weight loss" sayings in my email and I wanted to share today's with you girls... :D )


Do you ever feel anxious or depressed? If so, how do you help yourself feel better? If you're like I once was, you may eat to feel better. I used to douse my troubles in food. Some people use alcohol or drugs to change their mood, others disappear into sex, work, isolation, or "vegging-out" on the couch watching TV.

Alas, all of these "home remedies" are only temporary, and have many side effects (like obesity, substance dependence, lethargy, and worse -- long term health problems).

Let me suggest some positive, helpful remedies to try instead. These stimulate the brain to make endorphins (which cause us to feel exuberant or happy), but with no side effects.

Move. Walk around the block as quickly as you can.

Dance. Breathe deeply as you do it. This is the best therapy for anxiety and depression that I know of.

Laugh. Watch a comedy, or listen to a stand-up comedian's tapes. Or go to a comedy club for a fun evening.

Talk. Share your feelings with someone you love and respect. Tell them your innermost secrets. Let them give you some words of encouragement. Feel their attention, care, and affection for you. (Then give it back to them when they need it.)

Go ahead and give yourself pleasure. There are lots of ways. Just do what's going to genuinely give you lasting pleasure, without harm. :)

Well.. I am back from the Endocrinologists. It's official. The ovaries are coming out in January. She said the sooner in January the better. I also have some other problem going on...something she found in my blood work and so she is going to consult with another doctor/specialist in this blood matter and see what he thinks and then she will call me and we'll go from there. She said within 1-2 weeks she'd give me a call. I guess she wants to be 100% sure of what everything is before she prescribes any medicine or goes any further. Ahh well. I look on the bright side...One less thing to worry about health wise after those annoying cyst filled creatures are gone! :lol:

Now I am off to the dentist. I make all of my appointments on the same day so I can get it all done in one shot. Then I can get groceries on the way home. Clever huh... ;)

Type at you girls later. :grouphug:

I try to do the same thing with my doctor's appointments. I usually get my bi-yearly bloodwork and ultrasounds done on the same day. Ick. This year I have to wait till January though, I think, because my insurance only covers so many scans in each fiscal year, and I've had a lot of diagnostic stuff done this year. I'm debating, because I also met my deductible, so I might be better off having it done over our winter break.
Certainly I'm better off doing that because then I can have my appointment with her on one of the days we're off in January, and not miss days with the kids.
Of course, though, that's sort of up in the air because who knows... maybe this plastic surgeon will be the one? I won't hold my breath. My endocrinologist conviced me to go see this last one... I don't want to do it, but she's been putting in overtime trying to convince my insurance company to pay for this procedure, and not to do my part wouldn't be right.
On other notes, I've survived one set of midterms, only minorly singed by our idiot database administrator. She's not really an idiot, she just has social skills deficits. So do I, and our mutual deficits seem to rub each other the wrong way. I, however, can be professional to her and with her in work... A few weeks ago, for example, she and I left at the same time and it was just POURING... and windy... umbrellas were useless. I park near the building because of my ankle, so I offered her a ride: she was in the back on the other side of the parking lot. She turned me down, but I'd do that for just about anybody... I know what its like to get soaked! And today, she was headed for the elevator and I offered to hold the door for her. She turned me down again, but I could've hit the 'door close' button. I also ask her quesitions instead of acting like she doesn't exist. But she attacks me and the way I do my grades.... ARRRG!
3 more sets of midterms; 4 sets of report cards to go.
:mouse:

I had read that coffee has a decent amount of magnesium in it. Since caffeine isn't the greatest for IR, I switched to decaf a few weeks ago and am still enjoying it, and am pretending that it is good for me because of the magnesium.

Hi,
I have so many questions??? I will try and post a link to the info about magnesium soon (just have to try and dig it out)

I live in Australia and wanted to ask about the South Beach Diet.. We dont really seem to have it here. I am using the new glucose revolution book and trying to eat better with its help... is the SBD the same thing? As i was browsing through the forums it talked about helping to control cravings - now any help I get in the regard would be welcome:) I dont crave sweets but rather bread and pasta etc..I like using low GI foods. It sounds like it fits well with PCOS - is this the case?

Where is the best place to get info about the SBD? Should I just use the forum on this site? I have to say that having a list of foods to get started on would be really helpful for me at the moment - I am so busy preparing for a trip that is coming up that I would like to be able to prepare a weekly menu for the family to help stop any bad snacking...

This forum is just lovely - I am really feeling so invigorated about taking charge of my health and not feeling isolated is a huge part to play!

I hope that all of you with medical appointments are going well today!

Cheers,
Marianna

Separate what you truly want from the blocks holding you back. Then act on what you truly want, asking God first for guidance.

If you really really want to lose weight forever, it takes consistent, positive eating and movement patterns. But more often than not, old habits cause you to ignore your goals and then you eat too much again. Go off your food plan. Sit all day, and forget moving.

Pay attention to that positive desire today, all day, and every day, all the time. Repeat it over and over again, silently to yourself, to others, write it down, tell it on the phone to a friend, mention it to everyone you meet. Say "I want to be the best I can be today. That's my goal. I want to really be good to myself."

Then absolutely, positively do NOT let yourself slip back to old patterns of self-destruction. You can do it!! :D

Hi Marianna, I didn't know that South Beach wasn't in Australia. Whew, it's everywhere you turn here. Really a craze! I always highly suggest getting the book, but if it isn't available to you, then hopefully you'll be able to get all the points from FAQ's. There is a food list on the forum. Go to Chicks on the Beach and then go to Frequently Asked Questions. I'd just read away! It is, in a sense, like Glucose Revolution. I don't remember the specifics on GR, but the foods are chosen on the glycemic index for both diets. Good luck!

Here's a quickie link:
http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=113

Also, do you have SugarBusters? It's very similar! There isn't a Phase 1 to blast away the first few pounds, but many other choices are similar. Here's a link to SugarBusters:
http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=-1&f=85

Noodles, I hope everything is ok with your blood work. Did she say what she was looking for? I hate inconclusive visits!

Mouse, check to see if your insurance plan has 4th Quarter Rollover. Mine does (applies money spent to next year's deductable) and I have a crappy insurance policy. :lol:

Noodles, I hope everything is ok with your blood work. Did she say what she was looking for? I hate inconclusive visits!

No, she didn't really say. Well she said alot of things but she was talking so fast at times and in all these different terms that I didn't fully understand it. :lol: She said don't worry, after she consults with her specialist friend she will call me and let me know. She gave me copies of my lab work just in case I needed them for my other doctor. I should try to decode them huh... trying to read all of that stuff makes me dizzy. :dizzy:

I think they do, at least in terms of billing... because I got slammed for bills with the ultrasounds that I had done in May and June, and the hidascan... but I hadn't had any other ultrasounds or diagnostic scans done since December. I haven't gotten bills from the lab people, so my guess is that it doesn't apply to bloodwork.
I had to pay over $400 for the ultrasounds and hidascans, plus $75 for the endoscopy to the physician and another $80 for the anesthesia. And that's all AFTER I hit my deductible.
I'm beginning to hate my insurance company. AS you guys know, my endocrinologist has been trying to reach the medical director since early August while I've been getting treated horribly by plastic surgeons in the greater DC area. I've kept doing itbecause I knew that my endocrinologist was putting in spare time she doesn't have and that she isn't getting paid for to try and help me... but as of today, she's given up too. She can't get the insurance company to do anything. :(
Its enough to make me want to give up. What more am I supposed to do?
I swim. I lift weights. I eat right (actually, don't eat a lot), and definitely eat less than I ever did before. I get full from a container of cottage cheese with fruit (the little single-serves that Breakstone puts out), and half an apple!
But I don't lose weight. And you are all tired of hearing the same stuff over and over again.
:cry:
:mouse:

Well apparently the beach diet is here in Australia but I haven't been paying any attention :o Or so my friend tells me.

I asked my husband to by the book today and I think that it sounds very much like what i am hoping to achieve - so we will give it a go.

Thanks for the links!

Hi All!! :wave:

Sorry I haven't posted in a while. I have been so busy... I am trying to get the rest of my stuff weeded out and priced for the yard sale. Plus hubby is sick so I have been tending to him. Made him chicken soup. :) Plus the other general things a person needs to do around a house...dishes, vacuum, dust, water plants, feed animals, wash clothes, etc... It gets a little overwhelming at times. :faint: But the good thing is now I have a TV Chip on my computer so I can watch TV while I do research or price stuff. :) So..I can watch the ball game on my monitor now!! And my team WON!! WOOHOO!!!!!!!! :cheer:

Well, hope everyone else is doing good. Pop in once in a while to say hi. :D

Hey girls...I'm looking at all this talk about Met and Gluc..what the heck is the difference between GlucXR and Gluc? I've seen them listed as both Glucophage XR and also Glucophage. I'll have to remember to ask my doc on Mondaym but I figured I'd run it past all you experts too!!

Glucophage XR is extended release. Glucophage itself is just glucophage and isn't extended anything.
I had serious issues with both that involved serious throwing up, and being freezing ALL the time, plus just wanting to sleep. I couldn't keep much down except for bananas, bagels and rice... which is horrible if you're taking glucophage because you're insulin resistant or diabetic!

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word!! sorry, i just know exactly how you felt...in the month that I've been on metformin i've thrown up about five or six times...half of those episodes was most recently when i got really sick..and the other three happened as i got used to the pill. it was so bad that i had a sore throat and pulled a blood vessel in one of my eyes.

i can't wait to get some answers from my doc.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. I didn't break any blood vessels, though I seemed to have a constant rash on my forehead. My guess would be capillaries being broken from the throwing up. My endocrinologist would apparently love to see me back on it, but she won't recommend or suggest it because she doesn't want me to be so sick again. Especially given that it now appears that I should have my gallbladder out, since some of the digestive hormones no longer work.
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Hi Meliss, the XR is the extended release. You take your whole dose once a day, then it releases itself for the next 24 hours. Regular gluc does not. Met is the generic form (metformin) and it also now comes in an extended release version, called Metformin ER.

Yeah...what Jennifer said. :lol:

I have THEE worse cold I've had in ages. Achoo!! :tired: My poor body hurts all over...and my usual arthritis drug is just not cutting it. I'm going to have to resort to Percocet today so I can get some sleep. I feel like I got ran over by a truck 50 times. Hubby had it earlier this week, and it hopped over to me. Nasty thing. :( so Noodles is off duty for a while. :faint:

Hope you feel better soon!

UPDATE!! HITMAN AND DOCTOR ARRESTED!!!!!!

So...the story turned out to be true....that I said all along... But they caught the hitman AND Arrested the other doctor!! THat A!@#%ole!! That hitman looks like Satans brother!!! :mad:

I'm sitting here crying my eyes out...this just seems like something you'd watch on CSI. Not in real life. Stabbed 17 times...cracked skull. UGH!!!

http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/dailystar/43766.php

Here is a link with a video...and the scumbag.

http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.as...07&nav=HMO5S49Y

Jen -

Ahhh!! That makes sense, i'm taking metformin ER....I just checked...extended release sounds about right...i remember one time (not to be graphic) I got sick and threw up..the pill came out...it was all spongy and tasted AWFUL..and this was like 8 hours after i swallowed it.

i'm sure you wanted to know this.

Ewww! :lol: Yeah actually I'm glad to know that, I always wondered what exactly happens to an extended release pill. Now I know. :eek:

Hey girls!!

I got the flu so I haven't been around much...but i'm thinking of ya. :) I'll return when my bones stop aching. UGH...I think this is one of the worse parts!! These bones and body aches are for the birds!! :(

Awww, Noodles... have some chicken soup. Jewish penicillan... which I can't spell. Oh well.

And pardon the mask, but I REALLY don't want it. No flu shots for us this year, and I've got tons of kids going from cold to cold to cold without a break. I do NOT want them!
I'm hoping all the chlorine I dip myself in daily plus the menthol/eucalyptus in my shower gel will prevent the stuff... and the vitamins!

:mouse:

Oooh, I read an article - I think it might be on the front page of 3FC, not sure, but anywhoo, mice that exercised regularly after being exposed to the flu had little to no symptoms of the flu, where the couch-potato mice got bad cases. Regularly was defined as every day. ]

Hope you feel better, Noodley-one!

Thanks... :) I cant sleep so here I am!! I still feel so..yecky..ugh. I hope this crap ends soon because I have a yard sale to get ready for!!

Can I slap those mice, Jennifer?? I've been exercising, eating right, taking my vitamins, and it still bit me in the butt. :( Anytime I catch stuff like this it takes me longer to get over it as well due to the fact that I already have another auto immune disease that my body fights daily. (Arthritis). Ahh Well...at least hubby has been catering to me. :) Sucha sweetie he is when I don't feel good, minus the DIRTY HOUSE. :mad: But...gotta love him anyhow...for acting like a man. :lol:

Hope the rest of you are doing good!! Hang in there.. :grouphug:

awww! i understand noodles. i was sick all last week...only it wasnt the flu, but i had the nice fun throwing up and cramping symptoms (damn Yasmine)..since i quit my last job, i don't have health insurance..I'm PETRIFIED to see the bill...two ER visits and unending diagnostic tests including a CT scan...bah.

at least the tummy ache part is probably gone, right? feel better :)

Oooo, Meliss.... no health insurance.. I'm sorry! Lots of the families of my students are in that boat, which is one reason they send them to school. WE're private and have 3 nurses daily. They can't do much, but at least they can identify if the kid needs to see somebody. Many public schools don't have nurses anymore.
Anyway, I feel kinda cold-ish, but other than being REALLY REALLY tired, and cold... I'm coping.
How are you feeling, Noodles?

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Hello...

I'm doing a bit better today. I managed to do some dishes and just now started a load of laundry, and I managed to get out and go mail a package and take the daughter to mexican food & ice cream. Now I am sitting here resting. I should go finish cleaning out my closet but I just am still not 100% up to par yet. *sigh* Maybe tomorrow. :)

WEll. That's it. Strike 4 and I'm out. I've seen all four plastic surgeons in the wonderful Baltimore area. I saw the one in Virginia. This one wasn't as rude as the last one, but not any more helpful. She, too, insists that its calories in versus calories out. She, too, suggested gastic bypass surgery. And ultimately refused to even consider performing the surgery. She said it is far too dangerous and could kill me to have the surgery. Whatever. None of the other surgeons mentioned this "factoid". They mentioned it was dangerous, but all of them stated point blank that they'd use drains... she seemed to think drains were a bad thing.
She said that in order to lose weight, I should eat 1,000 calories per day or fewer, and exercise 6 days a week. Well, I already do the exercise part. I can't see myself eating 1,000 calories a day and doing what I do. Although, I did lose most of the weight the fastest when I threw up everything.
She, too, like the last surgeon I saw blamed by endocrinologist... saying she needed to find out what was causing this and give me an official diagnosis, and that she shouldn't have recommended surgery of this nature because it wouldn't cure the endorcine disorder. Duh. Nobody ever said it would cure it... I sure didn't say that.
As far as an official diagnosis, let's review, shall we? I was referred to, and the topic of discussion at a grand rounds at Johns Hopkins and THEY didn't know what to do with me. Why does she think anybody else does?!
:cry: ALL I want is to lose weight... why is this such a hard concept for people? Why do people have to assume that because THEY can eat 1000 calories a day or less and exercise that way and lose weight,t hat it will work for me?!
WHY DOESN'T THE MEDICAL PROFESSION BELIEVE ME!?!??!

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I still have the flu...but... I don't care right now because..

MY FAVORITE TEAMS ARE GOING TO THE WORLD SERIES!!!!!!!!!!! :cloud9: :hyper:
:bravo:

I've been a Cardinals fan since I was 8 years old!!!!! Red Sox since 1986!!!

NOODLES IS HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YIPPIE!!!!!!!! YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:balloons: :cb: :hat: :flow1: :dancer: :twirly: :balloons: :lucky: :encore: :coffee2:

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Yuck, I have some sorta annoying cramps today...I'm not sure if it's the metformin or PMS...yes....I get cramps two weeks BEFORE my period..and also DURING my period...

i went to the doc and she wants me to try to stay on Yasmin for another month, she has a feeling I went through all that pain last month because my body was doing a "vacuuming" job...in a manner of speaking. I didn't really feel like questioning her. she says it's very unlikely that it will happen again this month. Sigh. I really hope so.

Has anyone else realized that having cramps and belly aches is pretty much going to be a major part of our lives? :( I had a massive attack of diarrhea this morning for some reason. Bah. At least I have tomorrow off :-D

The diarrhea is probably from the metformin. AS for the others, since on of my symptoms is simply not having a cycle unless they blast me with huge amounts of provera, I don't have cramps. Even when I did have the infrequent cycles, I never had cramps, so I never knew when it was coming. Strangely enough, the best indicator was that I'd seem to get a cold or sore throat.
Glad you have tomorrow off. :) I'm really wanting to use some of that enormouse amount of comp time that I have...

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Wow...I don't ever have the diarrhea anymore from the metformin. I only had it the first 1-2 weeks or so...but not really bad. I've been ok ever since--But I DO have to take it in the middle of a meal. If I don't then I do get the "after effect" later on.

Hey..if you type in www.diarrhea.com it goes to the Peptol Bismol site!! It's hillarous!! :rofl:

As for yasmin, no way would I go back on it. It did not agree with me. :(

I'm finally over this flu bug. YAY!! SO I went on a cleaning frenzy and cleaned the house spotless & weeded out more nicknacks and junk that I didn't need. This getting rid of junk that I dont need stuff is nice...Makes my house look bigger. :)

Anyone watching the ball game?? It's a weird feeling when both of your teams are playing in the World Series. I want them both to win!! But...alas, that can't happen so I'm rooting for my Cardinals first. I've been a fan since 1978. Red Sox came in at 1986. :p

Well, have a good week everyone!! I have alot of stuff to do around here before my 11th Anniversary get-away trip so I will be scarce, but I will still be here checking in. :smug:


BIG HUGS!! :grouphug:

Oh thanks for the reminders about Met...I think I am starting it tonight. I keep saying that, and then I never do! I was supposed to have started a month ago. I put it off at first because I didn't feel good for about 2 weeks. I don't know what was wrong, but my back ached a lot and I thought it might be kidney stones or infection. I didn't think it would be good to start popping Met at a time like that. Yeah, I guess I better start the stuff tonight. Sigh.

Meliss, hope you feel better soon! I always had bad cramps unless I was on BC pills.
Noodles, glad you feel better. Why don't you come to Tennessee and help me sand drywall since you're feeling so perky?

Hey Jennifer, if the met is hard on ya...try to split it up. I found that if I split one pill and take 250 at breakfast, 250 at lunch, and a 500 at dinner, I seem to keep a better balance than if I just woof down a pill at breakfast and dinner. And don't forget to keep some "good bacteria" in your intestional tract. I eat yogurts or crunch on acidolphilis pills. It does make a difference in the grumbling...:)

Ahh...I dunno about going to dry wall a house, but maybe just to visit? ;) I want to see that Elvis place...and always wanted to see Nashville. Maybe someday... :D

Speaking of work, we did house stuff today too. Noodles is on a roll!! Today I did about 10 loads wash, bathed the rats, cleaned their cages & toys with soap and water, replaced my patio screen, watered my bushes, trimmed all of the overgrown bushes/trees, re-planted a bush, visited with the new neighbors for a bit, did the dishes, vacuumed, cleaned a fish tank, changed the air filter, changed outside light bulb, built a small table, fixed my solar lights....hmm...I think that's it for now. :)

Tomorrow is errand run day!! Whoppie...but the good part is I get to shop. I like shopping. Spend hubs $$.. ;)

Hope everyone is doing good!! :grouphug:

Jennifer, did you take Glucophage before, is that what you mean by putting off taking the Met? Sorry, I just got the impression that you had already been taking that medication :-D

My doc said that the generic tends to lend itself to more GI problems, but it does cost a fraction as much :/ I'm tough!

Noodles, I always wondered when it was really best to take the pill, I mean it SAYS at dinner time on the bottle, but I tend to eat more carbs during the day and more meat at night. I guess that should tell me something, that I should be doing the opposite, huh? It's hard to "snack" on proteins when you are hungry during the day. I mean what is there? Nuts and cheese!!

Which reminds me, what sort of diet plan does everyone around here follow? What has given you best luck? Maybe I'll post a new thread posing that question, hopefully more people will see it :-D

Noodles, I've got the extended release, so I can't split mine up. I've decided to wait until Wednesday, then I'll take it for real. My boss is coming into town tomorrow and my office is right next to the bathroom. :lol: Also, I have an out of town friend coming for a lunch date on Wednesday, and I don't want to scar the memories of either one of these lovely people. Soooo, Wednesday for real!

Meliss, I did take it once before. I went round and round with it for months and finally trashed the whole bottle. I'm going to stick with the 500mg for at least 2 months before I move up. If it causes constant irritation I'll just give it up again as long as there isn't a real problem with sugar or insulin. Hopefully there won't be! I was pretty good last time I was checked, but for some reason my cholesterol was up a bit, and it should have been down. It was still really good, but I expected excellent! :lol:

Noodles - ha ha, that's so funny about the diarrhea.com web site....I did that once, too...only i type www.fart.com...and I came across a hilarious web site full of jokes, pics, and sound files. I'm a bit immature, I've always laughed at bathroom humor....

Heheheh if you think THAT is funny...check out this!!! :lol:

I was goofing off with my brother..and this word "Shat" came up...so we decided to do a www.dictionary.com on it and OMG did I start rolling on the floor laughing!!! And I didn't even think it was a REAL word... :lol3:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=shat

Well, we did the running around yesterday. I went to Home Depot and got some more shelving for my garage, some halogen bulbs, and some flowers for my flower boxes. I walked out of there $133 poorer. :( Then we went to Costco and went on a catch-up spree. I hadn't been there in 3 months so it was time to re-stock all of the stuff I was running out of. But then I see a few other things I like and of course have to pick them up...we got Garfield the movie and candy for the little monsters that will be visiting Sunday. I walked out of there $232 poorer. :( Then I went to PetsMart and got some new fish for my aquariums & some medicine for my rats. Exciting huh??

Now today, I will plant my flowers and re-pot a giant plant. I got it delivered as a gift and you know...they give you this giant beautiful plant, and a teensy pot for it!! Poor thing has outgrown it before it even got started. So I'm going to use one of the nice ceramic pots Grandma bought me and throw it in there. :) Then, make dinner and watch the ball game!!

:cheer: Come on Cardinals!!! :cheer:

ha ha..shat..that's great. I spent most of this morning in a dumb appeal hearing (grr)...then i spent the afternoon trying to create a low fat variety of restaurant style clam chowder (no one liked it).

I'm thinking I'm going to have to give them what they want...which reminds me....

do you all have your own recipes for Clam Chowder?? Cause all the recipes i find online are different..but when i go to restaurants they always seem to taste pretty similar :/ If you wanna post your recipes that'd be great cause I can't seem to get it right :( I have a family gathering coming up and I'd REALLY like to impress everyone with REAL new england clam chowder....

I cheat, Melis. I buy the Campbell's stuff or Progresso... low-fat... and add 2% milk instead of water, extra clams, and seafood seasoning.
But I do this because I'm never home. The leftovers taste great on whole-wheat pasta as a ersatz 'linguini with clams'. ;)

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Meliss, you'd like my son's costume this year. He's going to be a whoopie cushion. We bought the outfit, (we never buy storebought but this one looked pretty good) and we're going to fluff it up with a couple of pillows and attach his fart machine to the back. My husband is going to use the remote control while he's on the porches trick-or-treating. Well, we won't do it when old people come to the door. They never understand his outfits! We live in the university neighborhood so he'll do that for all the drunk college guys. That will rack him up some extra candy. :lol:

JENNIFER!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!!! :lol3:

Well I had a productive day...

The damn doorbell rang at 6:30 AM. IT was the landscaping guys coming to give us an estimate on moving the rest of our river rock and gravel.

Well the dog and cat went nuts because hubby was outside. Me, having went to bed at 3:30 am, was thoroughly ticked off!! SO I wound up getting up and having breakfast and playing dominoes for a bit on the PC. I finally took a nap and got back up 3 hours later.

Then I put on my gardening clothes and went out and did some yard work. I planted 2 long boxes and 2 pots of flowers. I planted a new purple desert bush in a bare spot. Then I hauled 3 bags of mini bark mulch to the back and mulched the rest of my trees and bushes.

Then we started the rock hauling. We were going to have someone come in and do it, but they all want more than what we want to pay so we decided we will just finish it ourselves. (we started this project in August). So Hubby hauled 10 wheelbarrows full of gravel and spread it out while I hauled 6 wagonfulls of river rock and started building my path. We have 22 tons of rocks, so..I think we'll be out there for some time working on it. But we figured if we go out there for a couple of hours daily that it will be done in a month or so. I'll take pictures so you can see what I mean. :)

After our rock hauling fun, we decided to shower and go eat some dinner and go to Wally World (Wal-Mart). How come I can walk in there with a small list and wind up leaving with a cart full of stuff later?? I came out of there $187 poorer. But it was stuff I needed and been putting off buying. Oh ok so I picked up a few extras too. ;)

Now here I sit with a snoozing rat in my lap...Ahhh...tis the life. :cloud9:

Jennifer, that's great..all those frat guys will definitely get a kick out of him! How old is your son, anyways?

Mouse, Thanks for the tip! If I eat the canned stuff, I don't bother adding more lol.

Noodles, that's the way it always is with wal-mart...do you live nearby one? it's usually worse if you have to drive a little ways to get there, because you feel like you need to do all your shopping at once (which is, of course, never true)..but that happens to me and I live three minutes away from a wal-mart supercenter! :lol:

Noodles, that's the way it always is with wal-mart...do you live nearby one? it's usually worse if you have to drive a little ways to get there, because you feel like you need to do all your shopping at once (which is, of course, never true)..but that happens to me and I live three minutes away from a wal-mart supercenter! :lol:


Yup...3 minutes here too for the nearest SuperCenter. Not a good thing for Noodles when she has $ to spend!! :o In fact, I have to go back and get one more rug...these nice rugs they have on Clearance fit in my kitchen perfectly, but I need one more. oh and maybe I'll pick up some other stuff too. :lol:

(Kidding kidding, I was just there last night!!)

I don't shop at Wal-Mart. I think I've been in one perhaps 10 times my whole life. They don't support their community... and won't allow us to send Red Cross clients to them, even now that we have the "gift" cards... Their initial reason was that it was too much trouble to process our paperwork because our clients don't pay for their items direclty. We do. But now they don't have any paperwork, the client just swipes the card like they would with a gift card, debit or credit card, even the Welfare benefits cards...EBT cards. And Wally World refuses to take them.
For a lot of our clients, and since we give a very limited amount of money (we only meet emergency caused needs: its an emergency need to have 2 pairs of jeans, not 6... one to wash, one to wear) up front, WalMart, K-Mart and Target are usually the stores of choice. For Wal-Mart not to take our stuff creates a hardship (serious one in many cases) for our clients.

Jennifer: I LOVE your son's costume! I just LOVE it! But, and dare I ask, just HOW do you "dress" as a whoopie cushion???
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Wow, mousie. Our Wally World is pretty active in the community. Right now they are doing this thing for M.A.D.D. and they also have some guy in there with his own little booth making license plate frames. When the schools/girl scouts/etc around here want to do fundraising, Wally World welcomes them with open arms and even donates materials. Maybe just those Wallys back east are that way??

Well, I moved yet MORE rock today. I got the one whole side of my patio finished with rock finally, and one corner of the yard too! YAY!! But what a PAIN it is to move this!!! I figured out if I shove it all into a bucket and then dump it in the wheelbarrow, I can get more done, but it's still a tedious task. Ugh...I'll be glad when it's ALL done. :stars:

My team lost. To my 2nd favorite team. What a strange feeling!! I want to jump up and down and cry at the same time. :lol:

Guess that's it for now...Type at ya soon ladies!! :grouphug:

Mouse -

I have a huge agenda of political reasons behind not wanting to support wal-mart...I am weak though, I admit it! Fact of the matter is, I am not in a financial position to boycott the biggest retailer in town.

I despise the administration of wal-mart also...I've done retail merchandising with them, and working with wal-mart stores was the worst experience out of any of the stores. They're rude, unhelpful, and they spend no time teaching their employees the value of custumer service. I had a much more pleasent time working in a ritzy higher up department store...Filenes!! They have this huge training program all new-hires have to go to so that they treat their custumers well...AND their visitors!

Plus obviously the issue of wal-mart shutting down local businesses, importing cheap goods made overseas by children etc.

I have issues with that too, but reality is that any super-chain store from Macy's to K-Mart is going to impact local business in a bad way. It sucks. But my real reason for boycotting Wal-Mart is their refusal to help people who have been involved in a disaster (while make BIG BUCKS for themselves...we're not asking for the stuff for free, we're PAYING for it, regular price...just don't pay tax). I could forgive them not wanting to donate to local school systems. I was never successfully able to get a donation of any type out of Wal-Mart no matter where I was. But to absolutely refuse to assist people who have been burned out of their homes or suffered a major disaster? No way. Now, there have been "single" Wal-Mart stores that have donated items. When I served at the Long Island Wildfires in 1995, the local store to the shelter donated soap and bathing supplies for clients who were evacuated in the middle of the night.
Anyway.
On other news... my endocrinologist is pushing the glucophage again. She really wants me to try it. After I have the gallbladder surgery. Fun. I can exchange one version of nausea and vomiting for another version. :sigh:
:mouse:

Anyway.
On other news... my endocrinologist is pushing the glucophage again. She really wants me to try it. After I have the gallbladder surgery. Fun. I can exchange one version of nausea and vomiting for another version. :sigh:
:mouse:

Aww Mousie...hang in there. Maybe the Glu will work this time. Try to take it slow at first...that seems to help some. I crack my pills in ½ for smaller meals and it works great. If all else fails, throw them back at the doctor. ;)

Well, we moved more rock today....4 hours worth!! My path is DONE on one side and it looks so nice!! :D Hubby got out his plumb bob and made sure everything was straight and level. I had it all crooked. :o Then we went to dinner and did a little bit of running around. Ugh..my feet and hands are sore. I'll be SOO Glad when this is all done!! Then I get to work on the garage. :)

Well, my doctor called today...and she definitely wants the ovaries out out OUT!! Blah... Just what I need...another surgery. Oh well...I'll be better off without them. Too many problems. (Jennifer, I know you can relate!! ;) )

That's about it for now...:grouphug: Type later on this weekend!! :)

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