Support Groups - Rears in Gear for the New Year - May

05-01-2004, 11:16 AM
April showers bring May flowers! Rainbows of them! :D

Ask and ye shall receive, Sassy!

I'm better at understanding it than I am speaking it.. 4 years of high school german, and no one to speak it with. Though my kids and I will be studying it soon! Homeschooling can be fun.

Alrighty then, ladies! How went the month of April? Lots of ups and downs, stress, unplanned happenings, trips, victories, and setbacks.

For me? This was an interesting month to say the least. Here is my goals review -

Calories - 1200 - 1400 per day as they have been. Need to get back on track with and be consistent. Last month was hit or miss.
Water - 6 bottles or large glasses per day.
Sleep - In bed by 9:30, up by 4:30.
Cardio - 30 minutes on the treadmill Tue, Thu, Sat mornings. I need to hit the 2 mile in 25 minute goal still. Wow... :o It's been a LONG time since I hit the treadmill. Time to start reeling myself back in on that one and get dedicated again.
Pilates - Mon, Wed, Fri mornings.
Weights - Erk. This was an area in which I was STILL not consistent last month. I'm revising the goals a little bit. I'll give myself some flexibility, but I need to do squats/lunges at least twice a week in the evenings, and UB at least twice a week in the evenings. They don't take long, so I need to stop making excuses and just do it.
Riding - ~Continue aiming for 3 times a week. I will use Copper at least 1 day a week to get a substantial posting trot workout and work on my canter. My goal this month will be to do at least 4 laps around the arena in each direction at a posting trot and one complete lap in each direction at a two point canter. Additional goal - remains the same at being able to do a two point trot at least once in each direction around the arena.~ Ok .. that is verbatim last month's goal. I have been spending nearly every night at the stables working with my own horse. I realized that if I didn't commit to training him, I'd never have a trained horse. I will ride as training allows, and hopefully I'll be able to ride Copper that one day a week. As my horse progresses, so shall I.
Scale Victory - I want to drop 5 pounds by 05/31/04, putting me at 167.
Stealth Goal - Hmm. This month.. there is no specific stealth goal. Anything under the 5 pounds would be great and move me closer to what my stealth goal will be next month, which is 155. I suppose if I can lose 8-9 pounds this month (pushy, Marian, pushy!) and do the same next month, that will put me at my two month stealth goal. *lol* Not undoable at all, but it will take what I WAS doing in February and March rather than what I let myself do in April. SLACKER!!! :lol3: Ok, so we'll say my stealth goal is 163. Ambitious.

I think I'm back now, ladies!! I was off in lala land for a while with this horse situation, and this month I do have some challenges ahead of me foodwise. Richard will be out of town for 10 days, and that means the kids and I will have free rein (so to speak) to eat when and what we want. Dangerous. I plan for some meals that will not be within my caloric limit, and to combat that I MUST be rigorous in my working out. So that will be my huge focus this month. Keep really OP on the days that I can, and WORK OUT!!! No excuses. :drill: What do I want, to stay in the 170s for the rest of my life!?! NO! :drill:

Ladies? Goals for this month? Let's hear 'em!

05-01-2004, 02:43 PM
Hello everyone.

I am just popping in to say happy Saturday. I am really going to do some deep thinking about where my goals need to be this month to help myself out of this rut.

My most important goal so far that I have thought about is meal planning. We are still eating supper at 8:00 at night so if I can plan our meals for a week or two and then eat earlier I think I would have the most sucess this month with that.

Ok i must run


05-01-2004, 11:35 PM
My Sweet Lovely Ladies!

Chachee here and this is my MISSION MONTH!!! I have a few goals:

Previous goals that are now my new lifestyle:

1. Water, 64 ounces a day
2. Exercise, at least 20 minutes 5 times a week. This goal I exceed. Monday-Friday I get in 60 minutes of exercise, Sat and Sunday 30 minutes. I am working out usually 6 days a week now.
3. WW Points/System is now ingrained in my brain and my new way of eating.

Those three things are now my new lifestyle, so I can't consider them "goals" per sey anymore.

This month's goals are as follows:

1. Challenge weigh in--want to be down 8 more pounds. I do that weigh in for my WW group online. That will put me at 225 on home scales.
2. WW weigh in--drop 8 pounds also. That will put me at 230 on the WW scales.
3. MY BIGGEST CHALLENGE AND GOAL: Only weigh twice a week--once on Sunday mornings and once on Wednesday evenings before going to WW.

My physical challenges are now coming in line, so my needs are now much more mental that I need to address. My addiction to the scales is a big one and I need to keep focusing on that. No more scale stepping 4-5 times a day. No more only validating my losses with the scales. Inches...inches...inches. I would like to be in a size 16 by the end of the month. Actually, there are a pair of jeans I own that I would like to wear when I pick up my hubby in June. I will wear them to the airport and look stunning!

Raven: Stick with us. Only a little bit longer. Great goals. Keep the consistency going and you will be about 8 pounds down, like me.

Happy: I'm keeping my fingers crossed you will fight this demon and be victorious. Lurke away if that helps and find your inner strenght.

Sassy: My scale stepping partner. You are doing so well with it. It's going to keep us on track even more, I think! Happy anniversary.

Hippy: My thoughts and good vibes are going to you this month to kick the cig addiction. This is going to be your first step at being smoke free.

Lucky: Welcome back. Join on in and post often!

Anyone else I missed, welcome and good luck this month!


05-03-2004, 09:24 AM
Good morning :coffee:

It's raining here again this morning. We didn't have any rain inb March so I knew when it started it would rain alot. After today it's going to be sunny and in the 80's!!

Okay, here's hoping that May will be a better month for me. I weighed this morning and am down 1 pound :D I have screwed up alot lately so I will take this pound and be happy :D My goals for the month will be:

1. Eat healthy
2. Drink water
3. To get off my butt and do some sort of exercise, this is the hardest part for me.
4. See a 4 pound loss at the end of May. Would like to add a few pounds to that but I must be realistic.

Raven, I'm so glad that you are back!

Happy, I'm thinking about you!

Kathy, Hope you get out of that rut. I spend most of my time in one :lol:

Chach, you are so goal oriented, makes me want to get off my butt and be successful!

Sassy, things good on your end?

Here's to a happy Monday!

05-03-2004, 09:55 AM
Hey all. Like the proverbial bad penny, Jolly has turned back up. My goals for this month are 1) Not to slip up on the progress I have made (I am drinking more water as Igave up soda, I am sticking to my menu most days, I am doing my weight workouts) 2) Once I am free of my roommate, start doing the yoga workouts once a week again. 3) Work on portion control - to start, I will use the fitday calorie counter 1-2 times a week.

Otherwise, things are progressing nicely, despite recent . . . distractions. My riding is going well, and if I can just get a handle on the finances, I hope to hit a couple shows under saddle.

Hope all is well with everyone, and cant' wait to catch up.

05-03-2004, 10:25 AM
Happy May Ladies... "May" we all hit our goals this month :rofl: :lol3:

I think this month may be somewhat stressful so all the more reason to set something to focus on. Therefore my goals for the month:

1) Lose 6 pounds by the end of the month getting me to that oh so close but never quite there "onederland"
2) STAY OFF THE CIGARETTES - take each day at a time. Wish I didn't think about them so much during the day.
3) Back to the 2 liters of water quota each day
4) Plan and stick to plan on eating
5) Start regular exercising again - 3 cardio workouts, 2 weight workouts each week.
6) While I'm exercising, figure out what I want to do with the rest of my life and what's on the agenda for my next job... :(

Here's to a successful month for one and all... :bravo:

05-03-2004, 11:11 AM
Good morning super chicks!

Sounds like everyone has a clear idea of what needs to be accomplished this month, may we all be strong enough to stick to our plan! (ha ha Happy, boy that was a stinker, so I had to use it too.) :p

Lucky - Late meals are the norm for us anymore, with all the time spent going to the stables. I absolutely MUST have quick, OP, and kid friendly. And not boring!! Agh... that is getting to be the real problem. All the recipes I find are too much work when I'm already getting home at 9 p.m. I need to work on this too.

Chachee - You're on a roll, woman, keep it up!! :cheer:

Hippy - I'm with you on needing a better month, at least focus-wise. Devil's advocate. You say you want to get off your butt and do SOME sort of exercise. What? When? How often? Where? The best way to get yourself doing something is to plan it, just like your food and water. Make a commitment to a certain time for a certain thing, then just do it for 5 minutes. That's all. Anyone can do something for 5 minutes, right? Walking? A video? Riding a bike? Whatever it is, plan it and commit to it. Ok, I'll shut up now. :o

Jolly - Our bright and shining good luck penny! ;) I'm so glad to see you back. I know how badly stress affects my plan. I hope you can work through your stressors better than I handle mine! :D

Happy - Wow... yes, I'd say you have your hands full this month. Whenever you need to grouse, gripe, vent, or just need someone to give you a virtual hug, please let us know. I'll be keeping you in my thoughts, because definitely that job thing can really bring you down. I hope something else turns up quick, and that you find a direction you really WANT to go in. :grouphug:

Alright. I'm sore today from riding Saturday, which is a good thing. Those inner thighs are getting a workout again now that I have my pony doing a pretty decent trot around the ring. I think he and I have about the same amount of stamina right now. Food was WAY off plan this weekend, starting on Friday. I'm not sure what came over me, it was almost like I'd been so good for so long and then that stress broke and I just decided dammit I was going to eat what I wanted so there. :yikes: I'm feeling much better now. :o Let me say that again... I'm feeling MUCH better now. I really am. The stress of worrying about the Shadow situation is over, the stress about the car will soon be over, and things will be back to a somewhat even keel. And I'm looking forward to a 5 day weekend next week. :D I decided that since Richard was going to be out of town all next week, I'd take some time for myself, too. I can use that time to get the house cleaned up a bit, get the car taken care of, and just relax with no pressure from the boyfriend to be there with him or cook for him or whatever. Not that he demands that stuff anyway, it's more a me thing. I very possibly will have more of those bad eating days since Richard is going to be gone, and that's the time when the kids and I like to go do silly stuff by ourselves. Again, no pressure to be somewhere (home) for him. So we try out neat little restaurants and get strange foods when he's gone. I'm just not going to sweat it. I'm beginning to learn that I can do that kind of stuff as long as I'm prepared to deal with a no loss week (or two) and then I can just get back OP and start losing again. It's kind of nice to not be anxiety riddled about just goofing off foodwise for a small period of time, like a vacation.

Tonight is Machine's lesson, and he's going to be up on Copper tonight, which will work better for him. Hopefully we will be turning Eve out with the mares tonight, too. As soon as she is comfortably settled in with the rest of the herd, we can start thinking about working on the ground, maybe some lunge work to see how she's going to handle it. Then the next step will be under saddle to see if she's going to behave, or freak out and turn into psycho horse. If she is looking good after a few days of Nick and I riding her, then we put Machine up. He's about ready to explode he's so anxious to ride her, but like I told him - my job is to protect him, and what kind of mommy would I be if I put him up on a horse that could really hurt him? He understands, but .. I understand his impatience, too.

It's difficult for me to spend as much time at the stables as I do - which is my passion and joy and just plain time consuming, there's no way around it - and then get home, cook dinner, get organized for work the next day and still be able to get into bed early enough for me to get UP early enough to work out. I have to take a look at this situation and see what I can do. I cannot operate on less than 7 hours of sleep a night, and I'm already pushing that as it is. I need to be realistic and not overdo it, but it frustrates me that I can't get in a morning workout. *ponder* I'll figure this out.

Ok, time to get back to work. Happy Monday, everyone!

05-04-2004, 09:30 AM
YES MAMM, RAVEN MAMM :drill: I'm on it! I walked yesterday for 15 minutes. Let alot of the day slip away so today I will do better planning and shoot for 30. How did Machine's riding lesson go?

Hello Jolly!!! Glad to see you are back and glad to hear things are going well.

Happy, I am so glad that you are hanging in there. I have been doing alot of surfing and reading to better prepare myself for my next attempt at quitting smoking. Maybe focusing on losing the pounds that you want to lose will help keep your mind busy. I don't know, just trying to give you encouragement. You have come a long way.

Hi ya's to Chach, Sassy and Lucky

Has anyone heard from Tracy? She just kind of went away.

Eating was good yesterday. I'm not a big fish eater but I am adding tuna to my meal planning. I don't mind it and I have read that fish has good omega3. I am going to try grilling some fish. We have never had it so it won't hurt to try. Maybe we will love it!

I haven't got to finish planting the garden because of rain. It has been so muddy. I hope I can get in it one day this week and plant some cucumbers and squash. I'm growing lettuce this year. I have never planted it before so I'm anxious to see how it turns out. I hope the rabbits leave me some :lol:

I have a 30 minute walk to take today so I better get going. Here's to a successful day!

05-05-2004, 08:27 AM
Hi people. I'm going to give this another try. I started up a while ago and then just peetered out. I like all the talking that goes on here and will try to keep up.

I've got my goals set for the next month and they are basically to stay on plan and to stay away from sugar. My plan is to stick to a base of 1500 calories with my exercise points giving me 100 extra calories per point. I give my usual exercises points. You'll see as we go along. It worked before and I lost weight when I could stick to it but only managed to stick to it for about a week before I was ravenous. I was eyeing people's food at work and feeling crazed!

Ok, must get back to work here before some shuteye.

Hope to hear from you all.
Good night!

05-05-2004, 09:23 AM
Helloooooooo.................Where is everyone? I'm feeling kind of lonely here :( Are you all having a private party without me :lol:

Welcome back redballoon! I have a commitment problem too but am trying harder this time :D

Okay, I walked yesterday for 30 minutes, ate pretty good and had all of my water. Been working really hard on my commitment issues. I'm trying to keep track of what frustrates me and makes me give up so I can plan to tackle it in a positive way instead of just thinking tomorrow will be a better day.

Raven, excuse my typo from yesterday :dizzy: Yes Ma'am!!! That's much better.

Hope everyone is doing okay.

05-05-2004, 09:46 AM
Hi everyone :wave:

Sorry I haven't posted. Spent ALL night working on my class project as well as the night before and I'm still behind... :( :censored:

I'm doing ok. Sticking to meals, gulping the water but not doing the exercise thing as the classwork is taking WAY more time than I thought. But the good news is, only 1-1/2 more weeks left and then I have the summer to myself :dance: :dance: :dance: Of course I will be busy looking for a job too but I guess that just goes to show you that life (even aggrivation) will always balance itself out.

Red Balloon welcome back. Hippy you asked about Tall Tracy - one of the girls mentioned in her journal that she hears from her VERY occasionally but didn't say any more than that.

Well I have to run into the office today so I'd better get a move on. I'll try and come back later as I have already missed the deadline and lost the points for yesterday's assignment. I don't MEAN to be a slacker :dunno: Happy Hump Day chickies!

05-05-2004, 09:51 AM
Good Morning Everyone,

Well Mark and Cody left this morning for a week. They are going to visit his mother in Ontario. So there is just 3 of us around here. Should be a quiet week.

The weather is suppose to be crappy all week also. It had been beautiful now we are back into winter. Snow all week. No walking to work for the rest of this week.

I got out the old ww cookbook so that I can try a few recipies while the meat and potatoe guys are gone. See what we can come up with.

Hippy you have been the early bird. :D Did you walk by yourself yesterday, or did Jordan go with you? Is your brother still living at your house?

Raven how is everything with your family? How is Eve's Folly doing?

Happy how is everything going for you? Hang in there. You are doing so wonderfully well.

Jolly did everything go ok for you at the end of the month? Or are you looking foreward to the end of this month? Hopefully things work out very quickly.

Chachee you gazelle goddess.... ;) Are you doing ww online also? How do you find it? Hey how is it going trying to stay off the scale?

Sassy how is all with you? Has that cute pooch of yours learned how to get the leash down from its hook and get you to go on 3 walks a day yet? :lol:

Hello Red Balloon. I hope that you can get some motivation from the great group of ladies here that are doing so well.

Hope everyone has a great day. I must run and get ready for work.

05-05-2004, 10:42 AM
Well good morning everyone!

Ok, before I start replying to everyone else and lose my train of thought...

Alright. Here I am, last month was marginal - acceptable, but just barely. This month is NOT starting out well, and I kind of wonder why I thought it would be any different? My daughter's birthday is the first week, then Richard is going to be leaving Saturday and won't be back till late in the evening on Sunday the 16th. After 4 months (essentially) of being nearly perfectly OP with food, water, and exercise, I'm finding that I just cannot bring myself to disregard this opportunity to SLACK OFF! So there. I promise - no huge binges, no ridiculous food fests. Just *normal* whatever that is. And I'm committing to going completely back OP on Monday the 17th. I think I just need a break - I'm taking three days off work to give myself a 5 day weekend, so to speak, and the kids and I can just relax and goof off. The kicker will be... can I get back OP? Last year this happened, too. The problem was, I got back OP and then my dad had his accident. Then any plan went out the window. So I think I can do this, as long as nothing majorly traumatic happens at the same time I'm getting it back together. The timing will be right, because I will have been able to go shopping that weekend to set myself up with all the right foods, etc. I'm probably rationalizing. But regardless, I've thought and asked myself if this is really what I want to do, and the answer keeps coming back YES. I just don't want to blow all my hard work out of the water, so I do need to keep in mind that this is just a temporary break, NOT how I'm going to lose the rest of the fat. *waves hand* Ok, that's that.

Hippy - :lol: Now don't hit me, ok? After giving you all that sound advice about planning and stuff, here I go. Hey, I'm planning. I'm planning to not plan for a week and a half! HA! :lol3: :devil: Actually your walking kind of got me to thinking. When I was driving out of the subdivision this morning it occurred to me that the little main loop would be a great walk for me to do in the mornings. It's got a couple major hills, so I could start by walking it, then start adding running as I could, eventually I'd be running the whole thing. And I'd be doing it outside, which would feel good. Now that my particular pollen problems have gone away, at least! I think I might try that. Have you grilled your fish yet? What did you think?

Red - Welcome back!! How have you been? I find that when I'm pushing the working out hard - especially the weight lifting, the hunger can get hugely intense. It's frustrating for me. I will be working on tweaking the carb/fat/protein ratio to see how that affects the hunger. A lot of folks say up the protein much higher, but I don't respond very well to high levels of protein. I'm sure there's a way to balance it all so that it will work for me, though.

Happy - Yay! A week and a half! Ok, we're on the same timeline here! :D Well, sort of. Hope you get the project done and get a great grade. Hang in there chickie... I know the job thing can suck, but it can also be a great opportunity. Yes, I'm thinking positive.

Lucky - Weeks with people gone can be a great break, even if you love them to pieces!! I have to admit, I'm looking forward to the kids' father being here in GA, that way once in a while I can take a break from being a mom and a dad ALL the time. It's a little cool here too, for the time of year. Nothing like up there though! (Thank God!) Eve's Folly has turned out actually to be Folly's Love. Eve's Folly is her dam, and her sire is Mutakddim. We still call her Eve, though - because that's what everyone has been calling her as her stable name, and it's pretty, and it fits her. She's got stupidly impressive bloodlines, she's a great-granddaughter of Seattle Slew, for crying out loud. But I guess she just doesn't do that running around in circles thing very well. ;) She got nailed by one of the other mares in the pasture yesterday morning, and it was a bit of a scare because it was on the rear of the cannon bone and she wasn't putting any weight on it at all. Scared the wee out of Rosa, and she called the vet. Fortunately about 1/2 hour later she was putting weight on it, so the vet said just bute her up and keep her in a stall (she HATES that) for a couple days. Last night she was doing really well. It's an ugly gash, but she's walking sound, so I'm sure she's going to be fine. We did the cold hose thing and I hand grazed her for an hour or so just to let her stretch while Nick rode Shadow (now officially HER horse) bareback all over the place and let Machine ride her, too. She's having fun again, instead of feeling completely pressured all the time. It was great to watch her laugh and smile and just be happy to be with her horse. Shadow was very tolerant of all the shenanigans, she's such a good girl. I need to get busy ground training Eve badly.. she's ok, but there are a lot of things she needs to work on emotionally. She's 6 this month, but emotionally as a horse she acts more like a 2 year old. *lol* Ask me about the horse... it's like "wind her up and watch her ramble!" Sorry about that.

Ok, so .. yeah. I didn't even get to ride last night because of having to care for Eve. No resentment, I mean that's my job and I love her to death even though we've only had her for a week now. Her whole disposition is just so .. loveable and goofy and she's such a BABY!! :lol: She really does remind me of my son. :dizzy: Always jumping around from one thing to another and not paying attention and silly/happy/goofy all the time. I think they're going to make a wonderful team once we get them both trained.

Right. I guess I should do some work, huh? That's why I'm here, right? *sour face* I need to win the lottery.

Hey, happy Wednesday, everyone!!

05-05-2004, 01:35 PM
Hi All!

I was home with a sick son yesterday, so I didn't get a chance to post. I'll try to catch up.

First, tonight is weigh in. I did scale step this am, so I haven't met my goal this week of staying off the scale. I will be down tonight, but I don't know how much. We will see how the food choices go today and that will help determine what happens. I'm going to be good....I'm going to be good!!!!

Raven: I think it's okay for us to take breaks once in awhile. You have been pushing so hard that it's time for you to breathe a little bit! Sounds like a lot of horse stuff going on. Hopefully you will get some rest while Richard is gone.

Hippy: I try to get tuna in with a salad. It's good because of the protein also. Plus, it fills me up. I also enjoy salmon. Found a new recipe for it. I'll have to share when I find it again.

Happy: Glad school is almost out for you. Any luck on the job front?

Lucky: Wow, house to yourself, huh? Wonderful! I do some WW online, but my official weigh ins are at the meetings. I do the chats sometimes and also use the progress charts and the recipes. Pretty good stuff. I have faltered with the scales, but will pick myself up and try again this week.

Red: Welcome! We always enjoy another "rear" on our group!

Okay, back to work. Have a great day and I might jump on here tonight to give a report on how weigh in went.


05-05-2004, 04:59 PM
Hi all. Well, I am struggling a bit this week with food. My dad is still here. He says he is waiting for some final appointments for placement, but I don't know. So, I am letting myself get stressed and feeling like I will never have my house to myself again. Sigh. But . . . my exercise is still good. And, I may have come across a good way to keep myself on track. I got a new horse and rider catalog. Seeing all the advertisements for women's breeches, even if I won't need them this year, really helps me say "NO."

Here's to a great week all.

05-05-2004, 05:15 PM
Heh all. Thanks for the welcomes. Yes, Chachee, this is an ample rear to get in gear. It's now 5 a.m. and I've got to get a move on. Just wanted to say heh and I'm determined to do some good today, good for me in a weight way.

Raven, hi there! Yes, weight training revs the appetite like you wouldn't believe. I'm a vegetarian so lots of protein means lots of food and I've just realized I have a dairy allergy so I can't take the whey protein I'd been taking when working out heavy. Couldn't figure it out but finally did. Rash on my hands and crazy itching. Now that I've substituted soy milk for milk it's totally cleared up. Plagued me for years.

The hunger I can take (more or less) but I tell you, that crazed feeling of wanting food is something I can't conquer. Then again, I guess I should just up the calories a bit at those times. It's the binges of 4,000 calories that aren't too good in the long run!! Consistency is everything, isn't it?

05-06-2004, 01:31 AM
Hi Ladies,

Thought I would check in and let you all know how weigh in went. Down 2.2 to a total of 19 lost. Yes, 19 and not 20. Oh well, I'll get em next week! PMS acting up.

I'm really sleepy, so I am going to bed. Just wanted to jump on here and let you all know how it went.


05-06-2004, 09:22 AM
Hiddy Ho!

Chach, Another loss!! WOOHOO!! I hope you have something wonderful planned for yourself when you hit the 20 pound mark!

Raven I won't hit you, not this time around anyway :lol: I think if you can take a break and spend some time with the kids that's wonderful! Just don't crazy on eating okay because then I just might have to get the boot out :D

Lucky, my brother does still live here. He lived with us when he was younger, before he got married. We have always been real close and when he left I really missed him. I will miss him all over again when he moves out this time but circumstances will be different and I will still get to see him alot.


Red, how are you?

Hi to Jolly.

Okay, yesterday I was so busy. No walking. Wait a minute Raven!!!!! Don't yell at me! I cleaned and shampood carpets all day yesterday. I ran up and down the stairs I don't know how many times to empty the water. I was moving furniture and bending and squating. Today I feel like I got a good workout. I used bothe arms with the shampooer so today I have sore muscles. My calves are sore....Maybe I should do carpets everyday :lol: Eating and water was good.

Gary has to haul a load of buildings today and asked me to ride with him. We don't have alot of time together so I'm going to go with him later this morning. It will take about 4 hours then I'll cook supper and help Jordan with his school project.

Have a great day girls!

05-06-2004, 09:36 AM
Just signing in before hitting the hay. Had a great day for weight management/loss. I am under my calorie limit. Hurrah! I got to the gym and did arms and shoulders (weights) and ran for 5 K. Rode this morning as well (another horse nut here).

OK, just wanted to report in. I am dead tired! and must be up early to finish some work. Good night all!

Chachee, congrats on that 2.2 loss! You're doing it.

Hippy, it sure sounds to me like you got your workout in yesterday too, just not in the gym. Good for you!

05-06-2004, 10:32 AM
'Morning everyone -
Quick check in for me...
Raven, I agree with what everyone said about taking a break. A mini vacation of sorts, mental attitude adjustment break so to say. Just as long as you don't go hog wild AND you get back on plan when the 5 days are over. You know as well as any of us 1) how difficult it is to get back on plan again and 2) it's much easier to use eating as an excuse to support the fact that life sucks sometimes - after all it's going to stink at times whether we smoke/drink/eat poorly or not. So enjoy your time with your kids for the next few days!

Red and Hippy- sounds like you both got yourselves a good workout yesterday. Go girls! :strong:

Chachee - yay for you on another loss for the week. You are doing awesome and are quite and inspiration. Keep it up!!!

Jolly, you just have to learn to ignore the temptations of bad eating when you get stressed out. I am finding the same thing with avoiding smoking - am constantly fighting with the "do it" "no, DON'T do it" mentality. It's not going to fix anything and will probably just make things worse. But it's such an ingrained habit to us that we often do things automatically without thinking. Be strong!

Lucky - you still have SNOW up your way? :yikes: must be a short season for you. Brrrrrr.... At this point I don't even want to see a cold rain. Hope you find some interesting new meals to cook up. It's always nice to try something different, especially if you don't have to worry about pleasing the entire family.

And Sassy, how's the walking coming along these days?

Time for me to head on out to the coal mine so have a good day all....

05-06-2004, 12:09 PM
Good morning all. I did my weight training this morning :p I still don't like it, but I am doing it. Of course, it did help that I snuck on the scale this morning, and I am continuing to go down. Baby steps.

I went to a really good class at the gym the other day on Body Image and nutrition. A lot of it was focused on how we as women tend to want perfection. We make these lists of "good" foods and "forbidden" foods. If we have anything in the "forbidden" category, we consider ourselves failures, which effects our self esteem. She also talked about getting back in touch with our bodies, and focusing on eating when hungry. Yes, there will be times when we eat for other reasons, but the important thing is to recognize it, acknowledge it, and strive to eat healthy foods when hungry 90% of the time. We did some exercises on negative self talk and how to view ourselves more positively.

Anyway. It was interesting. Between trying to focus on whether or not I am hungry, and looking at those advertisements for English riding breeches (or, as I call them, sausage casings), it is helping me stay better focused.

I hope everyone is having a good day.

05-06-2004, 08:27 PM
Hello everyone. It's a beautiful 72 degree day up here. Oh, can't wait to get off work and go outside.

Hippy: Once I hit 25 pounds my reward is to get nails put back on. That is my 10% goal and it's important to me. I love having nails on, and that is a reward that I will treasure! Plus, hubby likes the "girly" look, so he loves me to have them on. You got some good exercise in! I don't think Raven will yell at you!

Red: Wow, what a workout. Good for you! You have a horsie too? Gosh, all you people have horsies. I'm jealous! I can barely keep up with my son and two beagles!

Happy: How is it being a non-smoker? I know you were struggling, but hopefully that was overcome and you are still smoke free! Great job. Any job prospects?

Jolly: How is the stress eating? Have you added in the weight training?

Okay, my WW leader said something last week that has really stuck with me and I wanted to share it.

We were talking about self-esteem and self-worth. She said that our self-image is not how we see ourselves, it's not how people see us, it's how we THINK people see us. Isn't that so true? For myself, when I look in the mirror I just see someone overweight, not obese at my highest (and probably right now). I see myself thinner. I think people see me as hugely obese and fat. When I walk into a store I think they look at me and say "Gosh, why is she shopping here? She won't fit into anything we have." When, in fact, people probably aren't seeing me that way. I am fitting into an 18 very comfortably right now, and some 16's. Heck, you know what? I could probably shop at Old Navy in the women section and have something fit. (Which has never happened before.)

So, when you are feeling down and feeling like everyone is looking at you the wrong way, remember it may just be how you THINK they are feeling.

Thought I would share.


05-07-2004, 09:17 AM
Good morning!

Another beautiful, sunny day here with the high temp hitting 86! No rain until next week!

I went with Gary yesterday to haul those buildings. We had a good time just having the time to laugh and cut up.

Food and water was great yesterday. I was gone with him most of the day so didn't get in a walk but I did help him out as much as I could so my muscles got it again. It almost feels good to have sore muscles :lol: I feel like I have done something other than nothing.

Today is good old Wal Mart day. A friend of mine is using the exercise ball. Any of you ever tried it? She said it has excellent exercises for your legs and so on. I need some good leg exercises. The top of my legs are so nasty, they really need some toneing.

Well, busy day ahead. Hope all of you have a wonderful Friday.

05-07-2004, 10:07 AM
Hey all. Hurray for Horse Nuts. Mine got his teeth done yesterday, so no ride. Today I will though. Honestly, the stress eating is not as bad as I expected. I am really trying to recognize it, and change it when I can. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But, I have lost 13 pounds lately, so I can't be doing too bad. I am doing weight training regularly. I have to say, I hate every minute of it, but I do it. I can not wait until I have my home to myself again so I can force myself to do the yoga workout as well. It really helps with the sore muscles and flexibility. I have to laugh at myself though. I get that feeling you were talking about, Chachee, when I do weights. I feel like all the "steriod boys" are wondering what the heck the fat chick is doing with weights. I have been getting better about ignoring that little voice.

I do have to admit an oops this morning. I had a crazy night last night with work, and did an overnight at one of the programs. This morning, I went home to take care of the dogs after I worked out, and just could not do breakfast. I just didn't want to stay home any longer. So :o I did a McDonald's run. And ate enough for 3 :o I know, I know, 30 lashes with a wet noodle.

Anyway, tgif, and have a great day all.

05-07-2004, 10:18 AM
Good morning everybody,
Glad to see that some of you are getting sun and warm temps. We're rather cool, cloudy and rainy and will be that way for at least the next 5 days. Seems like we always get our "April" showers in May. :rain:

Boy I've really been slacking this week. Not really sticking to the food plan and I sure feel it all the way around. That business ends today. I have until Tuesday to finish my project for class, then study for my final exam and I'm done until the end of August! :dance: We have a party tomorrow, Mom's day on Sunday so that should kill the weekend quite nicely.

Hippy, I've used an exercise ball for ab exercises and it's very good. I did pick up a video for a wider range of exercises but haven't had the chance to use it yet. Everyone seems to like them tho'.

Chachee, thanks for sharing the WW theme with us. That's so true about the whole mental/perception thing. And sometimes we just mess up our own heads with feelings of inadequacy, don't we?

I'm 17 days into being a non smoker now. I still get the urges a few times a day or in certain situations and I'm told by others that this will go on for around 6 months or so. Sometimes the "pull" is really hard to resist so this is very much a mental thing. I'm trying very hard not to substitute food when a craving hits me. I tried chewing gum but gave up that habit about 15 years ago when I started watching people on the train ride and saw the goofy faces people make chewing gum. It's surprising but you have to learn how to chew gum all over again :?: I'm trying to just stick with water and try and distract myself when the urge hits. The good thing is that it's not as often but I won't say it's any less strong. Hippy all I can suggest is to prepare your self as much as possible when you do decide to quit. I still have this feeling that on my last day I was cheated because I didn't get to smoke much (maybe only about 6 cigarettes) whereas my addiction is saying you should have smoked as many as you could the last day. Silly brain! But I'm doing ok. We still don't know the details of what's going to happen with our jobs but we're hoping to find out soon. I'm looking around, keeping an open mind and not sure what I'm going to do next. I think it's time to change careers - the hard thing is finding one that pays enough money to keep you afloat. I don't intend to be rich, just need enough money to pay the bills and have a few dollars left over instead of living from hand to mouth. We'll see...

Happy Mother's Day to all of you ladies, whether you are mom's to 2 legged or 4 legged "children" and have a good weekend - fun but on plan!!!

05-08-2004, 04:15 AM
ack........arrrrrrrrg........... spitter spatter sputter......... sassyīs back!!! the closer it gets ladies the more flurrious it is. quick rundown of what is running after me...... this weekend friends of ya vadesh luncheon, where i am to make three cakes ( okies i am good at this....I Cook There For I AMMMMMMM ~grinz n winks ) and a half hour in the kitchen tag teaming the dishes for a 100 if you all were really really close to me, you would of double blinked and busted out laughing at the very thought of sassy doing dishes. normally Sassy Dont Do Dishes, would rather toss em then wash em ~laughing~ even at family functions my mom would get the........ i love ya but look/ speech / aint happening. my part of the dishwashing was to keep you so entertained while You were doing them that you are finished before you realize i hadnt dipped a dainty hand yet...... worse comes to worse i would be flippin a kitchen towel at you screaming Back....Back you crazed induced woman ~laughing~ extreme maybe, but i would rather wash a thousand potties ........ we all have our quirks and that is number 153 on sassyīs quirk list. ~never innocent..just not doing the blinkin blankin dishes look~ the enigma is how much i love to cook and how much i despise doing dishes. but god loves me so much that he gave man the idea and technology for teflon ( pert near washes itself) and silcon (nothing sticks to that, expensive but worth it) and cooking stones ( hot water and a scrapey thingie) and my beloved dish washer!!! then comes Mothers Day, nuff said there. following weekend my birthday. and not just any birthday like happy a biggie, one of those RRRRRRRRRRRound numbers. i had the cutest lil poems for all my getting up there numbers but am so stuck right now....... 38 and still looks great.......... 39 and mighty fine....... all i gots for ~nodnodnodnodm swallows hard~ for THAT number is....cheese and rice thats 20 twice!! a lil help here ladies...... the weekend after my birthday 3 of my states side guests will be here, and that friday the state ceremony and some sight seeing for them. the Next weekend is the big shin dig wedding ~pant pant pant, i am exhausted typing this~ and 5 england guests. in my house from the 26th of may till the 10th, 11th, 12th of june will be 6 plus the dog. between the goings on, goings outs, groceries, gabbing, and the giggles and the grinz........ is it to late to cancel this?? ~laughing~

my scale was stuck on stupid as you all know, kept dancing with 200 and 202. well i am happy to report that after kicking it beneath the bathroom sink (with all the scarey stuffs that gathers there) in appreciation of being pulled back out into the neon glow........ i am in ONE-DERLAND!! ~long low deep bows.....because i can!!~ barely mind you but there...... at 197 and thats at pms time. so i am calling it 5 and may allow the beast a respite. highly doubtful seems the worser i am to it the better it is to me.......... and i like it that way ~laughing~

i have an hour lieft before i have to leave so look for part two of "sassy where are you" coming to your puter screen soon ~ winks n grinz~

Happy: chewing gum? facial expressions? got sassy to thinkin what great exercise for our faces!! going right out to buy me a pack, extra perk is its a super way to keep our teeth cleaned........ how i came to that conclusion which really isnt pretty) will have to wait till the part two of this chaotic episode........

Raven: if anyone deserves a deviation its you doll! live it , love it, leave it! ~wink~

Cacheeeeeeeeeee.......... my Cueen....thank you for tossing the rope when i needed it most.

Hippy: thank goodness its sunny here, eh....... lets keep singing our theme song........ Oh mister Sun...Sun, mister golden Sun, Please shine down on meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ~grinz n winks~

oh you guys i am sooooooooo running behind........ i adores you all ...i do i do i really dooooooooo!!! look for part 2 to see how much.......

scattered sassy

05-08-2004, 09:21 AM
Oh my gosh, Sassy. YOu are a hoot! I laughed so hard reading your post, I may have burned off a pound or two. Thanks :D Congratulations on reaching One derland! What an incredible birthday present to give yourself! Who needs poems? YOU ROCK!

I have set a goal to lose an average of 2 pounds a week. I thinkk it is doable if I continue the activity level I have been doing, continue to make healthy food and portion choices, and avoid the stress eating as much as possible. IF I can do that, I can reach One-derland by Christmas. It would be the first time since just after college, and I think that would be an INCREDIBLE gift to myself. So, keep the rear kicks coming.

I am off for the weekend. Getting away from home for awhile, to . . . Mom's??? Wait a minute. What was I thinking? Anyway, I will post again Sunday night. Have a great weekend all.

05-09-2004, 03:14 PM
Happy Mom's Day, ladies!

I'm getting ready to go do some grocery shopping, but wanted to jump on here and post quickly.

Hippy: I have one of those exercise balls, but haven't used it in awhile. I usually use it when I am doing weights to do my abs workout. I need to find it as I am going to start incorporating the weights in June. Glad you had a good time with your hubby.

Happy: I'm so proud of you and being a nonsmoker. I know it must be incredibly hard for you, but maybe you are over the hump?? I'm keeping my fingers crossed and prayers said for you job.

Sassy: Oh, girl, you crack me up. CONGRATS ON BEING IN ONEDERLAND! Oh, that day is coming for me, but probably not until the end of the year. (Unless I can convince the plastic surgeon that a tummy tuck, thigh lypo, arm lypo and a butt lift are part of the breast reduction surgery.) I am going to really enjoy actually being the weight I put on my driver's license! I guess asking you to come up and do my dishes is out of the questions, huh? Although, with hubby gone for another 5 weeks, a nice flip with a kitchen towel might get me too excited!!!

Had a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE eating day yesterday. I am not longer going to say "I had a bad day" when it is merely based on my eating. I got outside to walk with my son, walked the dogs, shopped and found some smaller clothes, so it was not a bad day totally, just eating wise. I ate half a frozen pizza. That was like 20 points alone! Then Mr. Reese came along and invited five of his friend to the party in my mouth. How rude, huh? I guess Mr. Carrot was uninvited! Today, alas is a better day. I weighed in for my challenge and am down another 1.5 to 231 on the home scales. Chipping away at that 20 pound mark!

Hope everyone has a great day and talk to you all later.

Time to grocery shop!


05-09-2004, 09:42 PM
Oh Chachee, I love your eating story. You are too funny. My eating wasn't stellar this weekend, but it wasn't horrid either. I ended up having pancakes twice today though. My stepdad wanted to cook them for breakfast for mom's day, and I had already asked my dad to make them for supper tonight. So, I feel like a walking IHOP. Oh well. I did make it to the gym. So, we shall see how the scale looks tomorrow.

05-10-2004, 09:21 AM
Good morning!

Chach, you are so funny. I was cracking up about Mr. Carrot not being invited :lol: You're getting closer to that 20 pound mark, it won't be long now!

How was everyone's Mother's Day? Mine was excellent. My guys cooked breakfast for me. Bacon and scrambled eggs is what I ordered. NO BREAD!! For supper they grilled steaks and made a salad, NO POTATO for me. They were so sweet to cook what I could have!

I have nowhere to store me scrapbooking items and all of my albums. I just had it piled in the corner and it was really getting on my nerves. I don't know what you all call them but for Mother's Day Jordan got me a Deacon's bench. It beautiful. The bench can be sat on but it raises up for storage, perfect place for my scrapbooking things! There is a back on it with mirrors at the top and 3 hooks for hanging whatever. Anyway, I love it!

I went shopping with a friend of mine Saturday. We went to lunch at TumbleWeed. I had a taco salad, didn't eat the shell and passed on the chips and salsa. I think I might be getting the hang of this again!

Busy day ahead so I better run. Take Care

05-10-2004, 10:40 AM
Hey all! I am off and running this morning. Payroll went relatively well. I just have to see how the weekend went for the on call person. Hopefully well.

My week is off to a good start too. I am down 2 1/2 pounds. Hurrah. I met my goal of 2 pounds a week. I am ecstatic. OK. I wish it were more, but I met my goal. I have added a goal. I have been wanting to start jogging again, but have been afraid of my ankle. I have decided that when I move the bar down (get below 250) I will start the walk/jog program to train for a 5k. I have a friend from college who is like a sister to me who is going to Iraq soon. I guess I want to run for her. Sounds weird, I know. But I guess I feel like if she is going to be off doing Army stuff, I can run. But, that is 6 weeks away. I am also motivated because of my father. He has arthritis, heart condition, an aneurism, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol. I watch how he eats, and how he doesn't exercise. With all of that, plus my high family history of diabetes, I feel like I have been very lucky to reach my age without any of these problems. God has given me a chance to get it together, and try to avoid these things.

So, off to start the week. Have a good one all, and enjoy your wonderful MOm's day gift, Hippy.

05-10-2004, 06:34 PM
Hi All!

Jolly: Big congrats on your loss. That's wonderful and right on track with where you want to be. Keep up the awesome work.

Hippy: Glad I could give you a good chuckle. Sounds like you had a wonderful Mother's Day. Great job on the eating choices, too. Something is clicking, isn't it?? Great!

Raven: Just because you are on vacation from work, doesn't give you a vacation from us!!!!! :lol: Hope you are having a great time off and how's about an update???? I'm dying to hear!

Sassy: Hola, Chica!!

Hi Happy and Red!

I need to scoot, but wanted to touch base with you all. Happy Monday!


05-10-2004, 11:52 PM
Hola chicklets from the land of whocares. :D

I've only had one glass of wine, so I can still type. Dang I'm a cheap drunk in my old age.

Tomorrow I have a temp coming in, hopefully I can train her on what needs to be done relatively quickly (I wonder if I can use the tap with the dressage whip till she gets it right...) and I can scoot out of work early. Obviously so I can skeedaddle off to the stables and go play with the ponies.

Shadow is lame, still .. we're soaking her foot in epsom salts daily to try to get that abscess to break through. Arashi is being amazing... I actually rode the little bugger bareback Sunday! And today was Eve's first "formal" day of groundwork. I need a slightly smaller bit and bridle though. Anyway, we're working on moving her hips away from me and towards me from the ground. Didn't take her too long to get it, either. What an absolute doll of a horse she is. I told Ian tonight too bad, I'm keeping Eve, we'll have to get him another horse. ;) :devil: Yeah. I can afford that.

It's nice having a break. From planning, from worrying, from Richard... :o :D Did I say that? It's nice knowing that if I come home at 10 at night from the stables, no one is going to be annoyed. So .. lets see how the other chickies have been doing...

Sassy - Have kids. :lol3: They can do your dishes for you!

Jolly - 2.5 pounds!? Wooo hoo! Betcha I found them. :^: Sounds like motivation has weaseled its way into your life. That is a very cool thing.

Hippy - Very cool mother's day present!! I'm glad you had such a great day. And that back on track thing is pretty impressive, too!

Chachee - I've been lurking, reading. . . As you can see I have little to report in the way of good eating or working out or drinking. Uhm, unless the wine counts. :dizzy: But I have to say I'm really enjoying the time off from everything. I've actually started sleeping much better now, too.

Stress sucks.

Well my dears... time for me to waddle off to bed. I hope everyone's week got off to a wonderful start!! And tomorrow is another bright and wonderful day. Wheee!

05-11-2004, 01:25 AM
Hi everyone

Just popping in really quick to say hi to everyone. Hope everyone had a great weekend.

We have had a really busy week but hopefully now things will settle down abit.

Have a great day.

05-11-2004, 03:12 AM
Hello everyone, glad to hear we're all keeping to plan more or less. And Jolly, a special congratulations on meeting your goal. It sounds like you're the one that's going to break the chain of poor eating habits and start changing the family history. Good for you!!

Chachee, thanks for the hello. I hear you on not lumping the bad eating in with the whole day or the other way around. You made poor choices for eating, for whatever reason, but you had fun otherwise. That's important, because if everything is about eating then what is there to motivate us. I mean, if I can't feel good about new clothes, new sports, a movie, a book, anything not to do with food then how will I move away from the constant use of food to deal with things? Good for you as well!

hippy, good work on the Mother's Day eating. How nice to have someone make food for you. How admirable that you didn't use the day as a day to go hog wild.

Hello to everyone else and power to you.


I have not been doing so great. Alas, I broke loose on Sunday night and downed one beer after another. But, it was fun. All I can say is, at least, because I continue to keep a journal of everything I eat and the exercise I do, that I can honestly see what I'm doing.

I used to moan and groan and fling my hands in the air moaning "why me?!? why can't I lose weight?" Well, now I can very calmy say, "Well, this is why and this is why."

Oh right, you mean I can't lose weight while eating three or four thousand calories a day even if I'm exercising alot? Well, jeez that's no fun!

Still, it is so tough. If I limit my calories, I am hungry and well, I guess to lose weight you have to be hungry, right?

Raven, I hear you on the stressfree days. This is what I need. I am so busy. But if I wait for them I'll never be lean. I, by the way, think I'm making great progress with riding. Could be ready for a show in the fall. This would be all the reason to get the fat off. Hope your guy's leg gets better!

Ok, people, wish me luck. I'm going to get to the gym. Just in from riding. Got a lot of work to do and then I'm off again. Just do it!! I really wish Nike hadn't take that phrase. I hate feeling like a commercial for them and I always loved saying that. . ..

05-11-2004, 10:01 AM
Good morning all. Red, I love what you said. Ihave been battling weight, self esteem, etc. all my life. It feels like no matter how good I am in other areas, or what good qualities I have, it is all overshadowed by my weight. If someone asked me to describe myself, it would sound like "I am overweight. I like to readbutIamfat. I train and show horses and dogsbutIamfat. I have really pretty eyesbutIamfat. I am smartbutIamfat. . . . You get the idea. And it also affects the day to day, like you said. My whole day can be bad if I don't eat right. Like that is the only part of my day. I am working really hard to change that. That is one reason why I refuse to do any particular "diet." I am working on enjoying healthier foods and appropriate portion sizes. I know that to lose weight I need to eat less calories than I burn, and to maintain it I need to balance food and exercise. I don't want to set myself up to be a "failure" if I go of the DIET.

So, do you have your own horse? What kind? What kind of riding do you do?

Raven, welcome back from the land of the lurkers. Glad to see you :) Everyone else, hope you are having a great week.

I did my weight workout this morning. I owe a few crunches tonight, as it was busy and I skipped a few. I also realized this morning that if I have any hope of starting jogging again, I need to start stretching regularly. I also need to put a bike on layaway. My stepsister is training for a marathon again, and I like being her training team. I talked to her last night, and if I am able to jog, we are going to run a 5k on Halloween weekend in costume. She is going to be Alice in Wonderland, and I will be the red queen. as people pass me I can wheeze "off with their heads." I think I can, I think I can.

Oh my, this got longer than I realized. I must enjoy the motivation while I can, and prepare for the butt kicks I will need later. Have a great one !

05-11-2004, 08:22 PM
Hi ladies!

Raven: HAVE ONE FOR ME!! Actually, have a bottle for me, okay?? I'm so glad you are sleeping better and relaxing. Sorry to hear about Shadow. How much longer until horsie is better? How many more days of relaxing do you have?? I'm so glad you took some time off!

Jolly: Lift those weight! Give me 30 reps! Heehee. I'm starting my weights back next month. That will give me two good solid months of lifting before my surgery. If you run that 5K, I want pictures! That would be hillarious!

Lucky: Howdy, stranger! How are you??

Red: Okay, so I don't think you need to be hungry to lose weight. The key, that I found lately, is to constantly snack for me--but on good things! If I have my bfast, two morning snacks, lunch, one afternoon snack, dinner, and one snack after dinner then I do a lot better! My snacks are either veggies, fruit, cereal, graham crackers with lite Cool Whip, Skinny Cows, etc. I think it helps keep my metabolism up! (And it doesn't cost you 3-4K calories!)

Happy: It's been 3 days, are you okay?

Hi Hippy!

I did my monthly measurements today. Down another 5.25 inches for a total of 33.25 inches since mid-February. I've lost almost 6 inches off both my waist and hips. Wahoo! Too bad it's not 33 pounds, but it will come in time!!

Weigh in for me tomorrow. It's probably only going to be 0.9 pounds, to put me at 19.9 just to SCREW WITH MY BRAIN! I'm going to hurt someone soon it that scale doesn't jump to the 20's! Grrr..


05-12-2004, 01:33 AM
Hey Ladies,
Congrats to you losers whether it be pounds, inches, bad relationships or whatever :lol: Chachee I hope you get to that magic number 20 tomorrow. Screw with your brain - boy do I know that feeling :rolleyes: ;)

I have been chained to the computer the last few days finishing up the last of the stuff for my class. And I mean chained - last night I got to bed at 2:30 in the morning and back up at 6:30. But I am done with all I can do. All that's left is just studying for my final on Friday. And then I have a downer kind of day like today where I wonder just what's the purpose of it all? :( I'm knocking myself out with schoolwork, losing my job, what little teeny bit we've saved keeps getting chipped away each day with all the bad news in the economy and overseas affecting the stock market. I don't want to be rich, just stable and even that seems like a pipe dream. Makes you want to grab the wine, the chocolates, the cigarettes and go sit under a tree and watch the clouds drift by just like your life. :dunno: But we don't do that do we? I drowned my sorrows in a half an apple with some peanut butter. I still at least once a day have an incredible urge to smoke. (Prepare well Hippy). When it hits me I just realize I'm looking for an excuse to be bad - just like running for the bad foods when we're stressed out. Doesn't solve anything no matter what your poison of choice might be. Why can't I be addicted to running or powerwalking or brocolli or something like that :rofl:

Raven, enjoy your week of relaxing and kicking back. I expect you to be back in form on the 17th. Chachee, good luck with the weigh in AND all those inches you've lost so far. You are doing VOON-DER-BAR girl - Keep it up :cheer: Hmmm graham crackers and light cool whip? :chin: I have both of those here at home, but the question is, do I need them? :sumo: Although I agree with you, I think the reasonable snacks do help in the long run. I seem to stay more consistent when I'm having snacks. Jolly welcome back - that marathon at Halloween sounds like a whole lotta fun - no trick or treating allowed as you run past the check points I suppose? :D Hey Red, get yee to the gym girl. And maybe try a twist on the Nike phrase as in Just do it (for me) or in my case it's Just Do it (NOW) - it really is a strong motivator. Hi Lucky - has spring found your neck of the woods yet or do you still have the dreaded ***cough, cough *** SNOW :yikes: Geez I hope not. Hippy, glad to hear that you had a nice Mother's Day breakfast. At least it wasn't soggy cereal with marshmallow bits and peanut butter toast made lovingly by those irresistable faces (gee why doesn't Mom ever make us this kind of breakfast? :?:

Well just wanted to check in. I'll be lurking on an off until my final is over on Friday. Thank heavens there's nothing on TV to temp me away because I sure do get distracted easily. Take care!!!

05-12-2004, 08:40 AM
Hi there all. In for the day and have a bit of time for hitting the floor, yes the floor over here. Then up tomorrow early for riding.

First over to you:

jolly, I'm glad if I said something you liked. I feel for you with the self esteem struggle. I don't think I ever voiced it or consciously thought it but yes, I was definitely doing it. But heh, it's no wonder you are saying this. But don't think you're weak or messed up because you do. Our culture, most Western cultures scream this at us from the time we're born and our entire world, the ads, the mags, the TV shows are all screaming it at us. Does anyone really think that knowing everyone is full of it is going to make us feel empowered. No way! It takes a gaddawful lot of guts to look the face in the world and tell it to . . . have a fudge sundae.

But that's really what you got to do, just with a smile. So remember, you're no "failure" if you go off your diet. It's really next to impossible to be a failure. All you are is off your diet, period. Cut the emotional ties that everyone tries to wrap these phrases up in, ensnaring YOU!

Horse stuff, quick, so as not to bore the others. Yes, I have my own horse. She's part Haflinger, which is a cold-blooded pony. She has some other stuff in her, unknown, maybe Quarter. She's a real dominant personality type and a handful to ride AND I love her. I do dressage, which is the last thing I should be doing with her but the level is still low enough so it's just at the level of "good riding."

What a cute idea with the 5K costume. Hope you do it and have a lot of fun!

Chachee: I guess hunger is relative and when I say you've got to be hungry to lose weight I think what to me is hunger may be to others, well, not hunger. As I said, I train with very heavy weights and am really now going for the muscle definition look so I think when you get down to the last 20 lbs or so you're going to have to experience hunger. But you're right that better choices of snacks will definitely hold you for less calories than the junk does. Good advice and something I need to remember!

I really hear you with the scale. This morning I wanted to kick mine. I know it's probably water because I ate a lot of salty popcorn last night but I want big losses EVERY SINGLE day, GD it!! (just kidding of course!)

Let's hope tomorrow evening does not see you hauled into the police station!

happy, good luck on the studying. I definitely know the feeling of being chained to the computer. What are you studying for, by the way?

Don't get pessimistic. Optimism is the ability to keep thinking of what you CAN do, they say. It is about making your reality not sitting back and allowing yourself to become a victim.

You "drowned you sorrows in half an apple with p.b."?!?!? Wow, now that is admirable! Major kudos to you! And smokefree. Way to go! I used to be a smoker, a heavy smoker. Now, I'm a heavy nonsmoker. ha-ha. lame one there. I quit about 15 years ago. Yes, the first four weeks are physically the hardest as your body screams for nicotine. After that it's dangerous for the psychological habits you acquired. My best thing to do was just to say to myself, I'm a nonsmoker. Smoking, having a cig is just no longer an option. There is NOTHING to question. I just did it. But that was after many attempts to quit but I never had that same attitude before. I guess I was just at that point where I could do it. It's so much easier with cigs than food though because it's black and white. If you can ask yourself the questions about food that you seem to be then you can probably do the same with smoking. Use the reasons you used to give for smoking, like, I'm bored, it tastes good, I'm nervous, I'm trying to lose weight and question whether you really believe that you can't come up with a better solution, or, sa in the case of boredom, I would ask, "is smoking really so exciting?" I think what really got to me in the end is that I saw my smoking as controlling me and that got to my pride.

Ok, all, sorry for the long message. Hope you don't think I'm on a soapbox here.


As for me, though work kept me away today, yesterday I got to the gym and really did a major workout, chest, back and then a 5K run. And a 20-minute bike ride each way to the gym and back again. Hurrah! Hurrah. Today was not so good eatingwise but I haven't pigged out and I'm hungry now, which I see as a good sign.

Over and out.

05-12-2004, 09:24 AM
Hidey hey folks! Wow... today I slept in. For a big half hour. What is it with me these last couple years? Can't sleep late no matter what. Bah. Ohwell, got all my forums read, swept and mopped the kitchen floor (to include under and behind the refrigerator and inside the pantry!), have done two loads of laundry, fed and walked the dogs, eaten breakfast and had coffee... now what? The weather was SUPPOSED to be sunny and beautiful. Yeah. Liars. :mad: I want a job where I can be wrong nearly all the time and still get paid good money for it. ;)

Red - Hey! Last time we talked, you were co-owner of your halflinger mish-mash and your co-owners were opting out. Did you buy her outright? What is her name? When do we get to see pics? OMG Bored? Of horse talk!? Gah! Blasphemy. Ok, well, maybe I'm just speaking for myself there. ;) We're up from one to three now... I'm a glutton for punishment and financial woes. Horse poor, that's me. But my kids agree, we'd rather be broke with the horses than well off without them. :yes: And wow... the habit controlling you issue. That is something I went through with an entirely different addiction about 7 years ago. That was the first time I realized that I was not the one in control, my addiction was. That was the first time I made a commitment to myself to never let any other addiction, emotion, situation control me, to the best of my ability. That was when my life started to turn around. It's been a long road. I've got a long journey left to go... I don't think it will ever end, but that's ok. I've chosen a different path than the one I was on, and even if it's not perfect, it's MINE. Realizing that something external was controlling me was, like you said, a big blow to my pride. Dressage! Personally I think dressage - at least the low level stuff, like you said - is great for everyone, horses and riders! My daughter wants badly to start into it. I think she and Shadow will be beautiful together. Then my son is big on speed and jumping, sooooo... stadium jumping, anyone? He's not there yet, and Eve certainly isn't, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's the direction he takes. Me? Bah.. who knows. I just want to have fun and train my horse to do cool things.

Happy - :bravo: to you, woman!! You are doing tremendously well in my book! I can relate to the job thing. It's terrifying. I think the unknown is the most horrid part. What will happen? What if ... Like you, I don't want to be rich. I just want to have a home, have my ponies, and be able to pay the bills. Right now I'm making nearly half the income I was making 3 years ago, but I'm grateful to even have that. It's steady, I have benefits, and I'm slowly, agonizingly clawing my way out of the financial black hole I've been in for the last 3 years. Yeah, it would have helped if I hadn't gotten the horses. But there are some things that are worth the price. It was either them or a therapist and anti-depressants. Just try to take a deep breath and remember that things will work out. Maybe not the way you think they should, or want them to, but they will work out. Each day brings the possibility of change, of surprise, of a new beginning. You know that. I understand the fear, the hopeless feeling, the "why bother" syndrome. Because we have to. *huge hug*

Chachee Chickie! - You are such a cool woman. I'm so glad we met, and I'm hoping we get a chance to visit again when I deliver my son to AK this fall. We're hoping all that's wrong with our Shadow-girl (or as my daughter likes to call her, Hikage ;) ) is an abscess. That would be about the most minimal issue - so we're soaking the foot at least once a day - it's hard when you board 40 minutes from the house - and the farrier is coming in two days. He might be able to dig it out if it hasn't busted through by then. Once the pressure is relieved, that's the biggest part. Then depending on the abscess, maybe a little more soaking till it starts to heal, maybe a bell boot to keep yuckies from getting into it, whatever. Like I said, I'm just keeping my fingers crossed it's nothing more serious than that. No swelling, heat, or anything to indicate otherwise, but still... it's like with kids, you worry, you know? More information than you needed? :lol: :o I agree with you that hunger does not necessarily have to be a part of losing weight. As a matter of fact, this is the first time in my life (since I found 3FC) that I realized I was always eating too little in the past to actually lose fat. If I get hungry now, I know it's because I've forgotten to eat for way too long. Tsk. I had to chuckle when I read the part about your scale screwing with your brain. Sometimes I really do believe that. Whatever the weight is, just take a deep breath and keep going. It almost seems that weight loss is directly and negatively proportional to how important that next lower number is. ;)

Jolly - That was a great post. I know I've done that too... I don't think I'm AS bad as I used to be about it, but it's still there. The "if I were slender just think how much better *fill in the blank* would be." It's like being overweight is the great delimiter of life. You gave me some good stuff to think about there. A 5K in October, eh? *ponder* You want to play a game? *blink* I haven't been running for over a month now. I was up to 3 miles, but not at a solid run. I'd gotten to the point where I could run/jog a mile without feeling like I was going to keel over, but ... I'm essentially starting over now. Let me know how the jogging looks, maybe we can set up a challenge together to get ourselves to that 5K run, hm?

Kathy! - Nice of you to pop in and say hi, but how are you doing??? How's the job? Are things better with the boss? How's your daughter doing? Is she riding still? How's the new baby doing? Did you keep him? C'mon, talk to us, girlie!

Hippy, Sassy - :wave:

Today I'm anxiously awaiting the ground training manual I ordered on horse training. It's supposed to be here UPS today... but of course I have no idea WHEN. :hyper: I figure today is clean the house and visit the ponies day, then tomorrow morning early I go grocery shopping, take the kids to the horse supply place, more horsie play time, V's riding lesson, out to dinner with the kids and then to Van Helsing. I've seen it already, I loved it! But that's the kind of movie I tend to enjoy - I know the kids will think it's a great ride, too. Let's see, then the farrier on Friday, so horsie day nearly all day, then maybe off to get V's tongue pierced. Or that might be Saturday... Machine needs his hair cut, I need to pick up dead mice and things, blah... too much to do, thank goodness I'm off work for 5 days!! :dizzy:

Happy Wednesday folks! Hope everyone's week is going smoothly (and a special hug for Happy who is studying for her final like a crazy person).

05-12-2004, 09:38 AM
Good morning :coffee:

Not alot of time to post right now. Spring cleaning, I hate it but everything is looking and smelling so clean!

I see lots of success stories from your posts, great job girls :D

Just checking in to say that I am eating right, drinking water, exercising and working with weights to try to do something with my flabby arms. Would love to feel comfy waearing tanks tops on vacation.

Okay girls, gotta run. Have a wonderful day!

05-12-2004, 10:16 AM
Good morning all. Life is kind of sunny right now. Wow, Red. I am focusing on Western right now with my boy, but if things go well, I want to start dressage over the winter. I am trying real hard to take it one day at a time.

I am starting to turn into a scale addict :( I hopped on this morning, just to make sure I was doing all right. NOt cool. I wish I could figure out why I am responding the way I am right now to stress and food, so that I could continue it! I am actually acting like a normal, non binging human being. It's great. Yesterday I started craving chocolate. I told myself ok, if that is what you really want. Then decided it wasn't. I did have half a doughnut at a staff meeting. But, it was just one half. Then, I got home last night and was planning an omelet. And lo and behold - the eggs were gone. I fretted for awhile, and was going to spend money I didn't have to spend on fast food or pizza. Then made American fries. Now, I probably could have scrounged up something healthier, but I didn't have a lot of time to cook. I felt all guilty because the only meat that was thawed was two sausage patties, so I added that and 2 slices of American cheese. But the scale still looked good this morning. And, I bought some sugar free fudgicles two weeks ago. Figured, at what, 35 calories, it is an ok splurge. I still have over 1/2 a box left. Even though I am free to eat them, I am thinking more about if I am hungry or not. Which is good, I just need to maintain.

Anyway. Off to the trenches. Have a great day all.

05-12-2004, 05:05 PM
Hello Ladies! Wow, lots of posts to catch up on in one day! Whew!

Happy: Good luck on your final. After that is over, then you can stress about you numerous other things! Try the crackers with cool whip, very very very good! Thanks for the kind words.

Red: Hey, if they do haul me off to the police station, it will be fine since I work there! I can fingerprint myself and know it will be processed correctly! :lol: I totally understand about the last 20 pounds being the hardest. If I am thinking I'm struggling now, wait until those come around. Grr.. something to look forward to! You are doing good! No 3K or 4K calorie day yesterday? GREAT JOB!

Raven: I want a job where I can be wrong all the time!! Where do we go to Weather School?? :lol: Sounds like you are not resting with your vacation. Hmmmm.....wonder why? You are so busy all the time, but hopefully you can fine more wine, oops, I mean relaxing time! I can't wait for you to come up again! We might be down in NC next January. I have a very close friend outside of Savannah, so I will have to make a trip your way!

Hippy: Man, that post was just a tease~~~come back and post when you find time! Good luck with the arms, if you find something that works real well, let me know!

Jolly: Welcome to the scale addict group. Man, I am still struggling with that. But only once a day now, not 4-5 times. That is a big step for me. You are doing well with your eating. It's all coming together this time, isn't it? I'm so glad you are back!

Okay, I am ready for this tonight! (Shined up my baseball bat!) I am pretty sure I will hit the one pound mark....or the scale if it doesn't go to one pound down....or the girl who write my numbers down wrong....Oops, violence is never the answer. Say it with me!! I'll try to check in tonight and let you all know how it went. (Or how much bail money I need.) Oops, violence is never the answer.....

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


05-12-2004, 06:24 PM
*rofl* Chachee.. I already spent my tax refund on a horse, girl.. .you better not need bail! Keeping my fingers crossed for you! The scales are fickle, indeed!

05-13-2004, 01:29 AM
Hi Ladies.

Weigh in went well. They cleaned the blood up rather quickly! Heehee. Just kidding! Geez, can't anyone take a joke?? :lol:

It was a great weigh in. I was down 3.6 for a total of 22.6 so far. I am only 2.6 away from my 10% goal. It's been 13 weeks so far, so I am very happy with the loss. If I have a good weekend, I might hit my next goal next week!


(Bat was sad as it didn't get to see any action, but I told him to cheer up, because there's always next week!)

05-13-2004, 09:17 AM
In for the night. Great leg workout at the gym today. It just shows how the most important thing is getting there. Keep showing up.

I was walking to the gym from some work I do and really, really did not feel like working out. I was going to call it a loss and just continuing walking home. Now that in itself is over an hour walk but it's nothing like a heavy workout and/or run.

So, I did my usual delaying tactics and decided to hit the caffeine again. Sat outside drinking a Starbucks short and contemplating having one of those big DQ like ice cream cones, forgetting the gym and heading home.

Then I guess the caffeine kicked in. I thought I'd at least do a light workout. Today was arms and shoulders routine. So when I get there some guys were doing legs and they're pretty weak guys and perfect for training partners so I switched to legs and worked out. I always train alone but this was great. I'm really going to be sore tomorrow!!'

Now home and had a decent meal, no pigging out. I find that the pigging occurs on the days after I have a big exercise day. I guess the body is trying to replenish supplies . . instead of looking around and using up some of the stocks!!

Ok, over to you all.


Raven, yup, I've got the horse now. Name is Heidi and no, I didn't name her. I'm trying to think of a name I can give her, something more elegant, something for a show. You know, all horses have barn names and show names. That way I can keep Heidi (no one would call her anything else probably) yet still have a cool name. Pics? I don't know how to post anything. First I'd have to get something in the computer. Sure wouldn't want to bore the non-horsey people here. Maybe I can P.M. you.

If your son is into speed and jumping then you've got to go eventing. Scary stuff that is though.

Addiction, ah yes, what a loaded word. I think obsession might be closer to my middle name though. Some are OK (like horses). Others, like guys, no, no! Well, hope you enjoy your time off. How long are you staying out for? And what kind of work do you do, by the way?

hippy, keep doing what you're doing. Sounds good. Flabby arms are really pretty easy to fix. What kind of exercises are you doing?

jolly, Western, huh. That's cool too. A good Western horse and rider are really a joy to watch. A lot of smarts there too, not like all the wacko TBs we have over here.

Sounds like you're doing good with the eating and dealing with the stress (life!) Do you eat vegetables though, big salads are filling, look so pretty and are so low in calories (use diet dressing!). I'm trying to get away from eating so much ultra dense food. It's no wonder I can rack up calories in a wink.

I wouldn't worry about being a scale addict. There's lot worse than that. I think the more you get on the scale the more you'll get used to the fluctuations and it can actually help. I don't see how anyone could stand to weight herself once a week and then perhaps see a gain because the timing was off. Like I think I've said before, I chart my weighings and the fluctuations are amazing.

Chachee, Congratulations on the loss!! 3.6 lbs! Wow, that's a lot and only in a week? Good for you. You must feel just great. Just looking at your stats. You've lost over 50 lbs already. Wow. What a way to go! A big hand for you.

So you work in the police station? Are you a cop or doing desk work there. You said you could fingerprint yourself . I don't know too much about police procedure, just what I've seen on TV and don't know how accurate that is.


Ok, gotta run. Good luck to you all. :wave:

05-13-2004, 09:53 AM
Good morning :coffee:

5 weeks until vacation!!! Can I tone these arms any at all in that amount of time? Surely?

Red, I have been doing things that my brother has shown me from going to the gym. Holding my arm straight up and bending from the elbow behind my head and knealing on 1 knee leaning forward, bringing my arm up and out and lifting the weight backwards from the elbow. Does that make any sense? That discription sucks, doesn't make a damn bit of sense to me :lol: Anyway, any suggestions?

Chach, :cb: :cp: :dance: :dancer: :encore: I just don't know what to say other than you rock :lol: I am so glad that you hit the 20 pound mark and then some.

Raven, How did you enjoy the time off? I just kind of scanned the posts, sre you back to work? Back to eating healthy and exercising?

HiddyHo to Jolly, Kathy and Sassy!

Okay, I have my house all cleaned, all of the carpets cleaned and I'm glad it's done. Now I just want everyone here to move out so it stays this way :lol: Yesterday was such a busy day for me and for Gary. We were both exhausted and he suggested we get a pizza. My mouth was saying I will just cook but my inner :devil: was saying, PIZZA!!!!!!!!!! Needless to say we got pizza. I ate 4 little squares and a salad so not all was lost.

Laundry to do today so I had better get it going. Have a great day!

05-13-2004, 10:16 AM
Hey y'all.

Great posts over the last 2 days - very motivating. And that's the best part about this place - the motivation you get.

Just as a suggestion - Shape Magazine online has lots of suggested workout routines - weights and cardio if you're looking for some new / different / or starter exercises. They give pretty good information and illustrations for each exercise. Check it out at if you want. About mid way down the page on the right is the Find a workout for specific body parts.

5 weeks won't get you looking like "Ah-nold" but it's certainly enough time to see some results if you stick to a program. :strong: Red you're so right about getting to the gym is the hardest part. I find the first 10 minutes are the worst for me and if I just ignore my inner whining, I'm fine after that. Often I tell myself ok, you're tired well then just do 20/30 minutes. And most of the time after 20 or 30 minutes I have no problem keeping it up for another 20 or 30 minutes.

I WILL be good with my food today. My downfall has been not planning my meals - a mistake I've made in the past. Wait until the last minute to eat and then stand there looking at the refrigerator :?: and inevitably grabbing not the best choice just to eat something. Plans are already in place for today.

Have a good one all, catch you later... I'm off to work, study and behave myself :comp: - at least just for today ;)

05-13-2004, 10:35 AM
Good morning all :) First off - Hurray for Chachee! YOu rock. I am so happy for you.

If your bat is feeling neglected, can I borrow it? Just kidding. My dad actually has a bed reserved for him, with an admit date of 5/19. So everyone please cross your fingers, hold your breath, say a prayer, whatever, that it goes through as planned.

Hippee, I gave in to the pizza last night. I was supposed to cook, but just didn't feel up to it. So I threw in a pizza. Did not eat all of it - some was saved for breakfast. But still . . .

Red, I hear you on just getting to the gym. Some days, if I just can't seem to pull by arse out of bed, I will take a book and do the recumbant bike. I figure it is at least better than nothing, and it keeps me from making excuses and not going.

Speaking of excuses, please be ready to kick my butt next week. It will be too easy to "celebrate" my freedom by binging and laying around. I need to be reminded how good I feel right now with the choices I am making, and that being a lazy binger is not a great way to celebrate.

OK. I am off. Have a great day all, and I will check in later.

05-13-2004, 03:48 PM
Warning... horse pictures attached!! I'll be back later to actually .. like .. say something. But I just got these developed and I thought they were cute.

First one is me with my pony.. notice the oh so baggy pants. Dang those used to be TIGHT.

Second and third ones are V with Shadow at her birthday/ownership celebration. The other young woman used to be a student, then moved on to a horsie university and is now back this summer teaching and training horses. She's the one who used to ride Shadow all the time... and she loved that V and Shadow have such a great relationship. Carrot cake, anyone!?

05-13-2004, 03:49 PM
Hi Ladies.

Red: Great job on staying at the gym. Sometimes caffeine can work to our advantage. I gave up caffeine about 4 years ago, because I had a major knee surgery and was on pain killers. I gave up caffeine because the pain killers helped with the withdrawls from the caffeine. I have been real tired this week, so have been having a small cup each morning. What an appetite suppresant! I had no idea. So, back to one small cup of coffee a day and it tides me over until around 11:00. It's not even enough to give me a headache anymore. (They make weak coffee here at work!) I used to have two grande lattes every day, so it's quite a cut back for me. I am a fingerprint examiner/expert. I compare fingerprints and make identifications. Been doing it for around 12 years now. It's really neat and exciting at times. I like going to court to testify.

Hippy: Wow, only that little amount of pizza? Great job. I am a pizza addict, and that showed itself last weekend. Two days in a row I ate half a frozen pizza. It's my "red light" food, along with peanut butter. I'm glad you did so well! 5 weeks until vacation, huh? I'm jealous.

Happy: Thanks for the website. I'm starting back in on weights next month. I love the results I get. Good luck tomorrow!

Jolly: Bat is yours for this week, but I need him back next Wednesday, just in case! I'm keeping fingers crossed and prayers said that everything goes well with your dad!!

Okay, back to work! PJ and movie night tonight with my son. Gotta finish the baby blanket I am knitting also!


05-13-2004, 07:03 PM
Here's a great excerpt from a bodybuilding newsletter I get. I left it as was. I love it, especially the first line. For all you having trouble getting to the gym (myself included here) remember these words.

You can also substitute in words for other things such as sticking to your guns and your plan, or fighting the; binge monster, the stress motivation sapper, the no-money-and-bills-need-to-be-paid-Haagen Dazs-looks-great state of futility and depression etc. etc.


Know this: You will train always for a hundred terrific reasons; quit
and it will be for no good reason at all.

Be devoted and wise and don't chase away a growing relationship with the
iron by unreasonable austerity. Relax. You're aware of your imperfections
and you're confronting them; this indicates they will not gain control and
overcome you. You're stronger than they are. . . .

Here's the big bonus. As you develop muscle and power in your body that
which you perceive as weakness in mind and character will become your
strengths -- perseverance, patience, courage, self-control and

(Dave Draper)


"Quit, and it will be for no good reason at all" Great stuff, eh?


hippy, my dear, you make perfect sense. You're talking to an experienced weight trainer here. Triceps overhead extensions and kickbacks are what you've been doing. Yes, both good, add weight as you get stronger, keep the elbow from moving, go slow on the downward move (very important) and in the kickbacks keep the back of your arm up and parallel to the ground. What kind of weight are you using. You've got to use enough weight to see any effect. But it should be with weight where you can still maintain good form. Cheating is senseless. For both of these you can books, bottles of water etc if you don't have dumbbells.

Another exercise is to do pushups with your hands together instead of shoulder width. This will hit your triceps (the backs of your arms). But if you're heavy these will be difficult. You can do the bent-knee pushup or just go down a little bit.

happy, your strategies to get to the gym are just like mine. That's really what a lot of my stalling and thinking about how I can get out of the workout is about. I know that if I allow myself to contemplate the choices I usually will opt for the workout.

Oh yes, planning meals is everything. It's early in the morning here before I get myself to work and your words come at a good time!

jolly, yes, the recumbent bike. Funny you should mention that. I've always done the same with the weights, going for a seated or lying exercise first to start off my routine. Yesterday as I was doing leg extensions I had my eyes closed and head back and even though I was going real heavy I was thinking, heh, this is nice, kind of like working out while lying in bed!

Raven, Thanks for the photos. I'll check them out at work. No time now. Am looking forward to it!

Bye for now. Oh, one more thing, will someone tell me what a "bat" is?

Chachee, I just saw your post as I sent this. Will write more later.

05-14-2004, 11:37 AM
Good morning all. I am all reved up today. I finally found the running program I had been telling RAven about. I am so excited to try again. I will keep trying at lower weights, until I can do it. Yee haw. I don't really have too much more right now. I know I need to be prepared for the "post-Dad" emotions, and focus on how good I feel right now with the scale going down, and not stop taking care of myself when he leaves. If I could survive his being here with out going over 300 pounds, or needing a 12 step program (or a lawyer), I should be able to survive his leaving with the same. I will be happy the first week if I don't gain any weight. Even staying the same for that first week is ok. After that - back on track!

March on, friends!

Oh yeah, Red, I loved your quote. It really hit home. And a bat is what they use to hit the ball in baseball. Long wooden stick.

Raven, I loved your pictures. More, please. I tried to take some new ones of Chance, but it is hard to pose and shoot at the same time. HE thought Iwas nuts.

05-14-2004, 06:16 PM
Right, jolly. I DO know what the various meanings of "bat" are. :rofl: My poorly worded question there! No, what I'm talking about is the "bat" you guys keep referring to you in your messages. It sounds like it's an inside joke that I'm not in on. :^:

05-14-2004, 07:23 PM
Ah. Well, Red, I AM blonde. Take things too literally sometimes. But, the "bat" is the baseball bat Chachee was going to beat the scale with, if she had a gain, and I was going to borrow if I couldn't get rid of my "houseguest."

Well, shopping done. Bills done. Money done gone. Did not make it out by my pony tonight, as I have a bit of a cough that won't go away. Normally, I would take the evening to nap on the couch, but there is that houseguest thing again. So, what to do for dinner? What to do for dinner? (Picture Jolly wandering off into the sunset, checking under plants, behind books, etc for food source. . . . )

05-14-2004, 07:29 PM
Oh my gosh! Everyone is sounding so positive and cheery!!

Red, I had no idea that you knoew so much about weights :lol: I use 5 pound dumbells. Heavy enough? I also have 10 pound should I be using those? To be honest, my arms have gotten really weak. I didn't realize it until I started fooling with those weights. The 5 pound is very easy, the 10 pound feels so heavy. Maybe I should say I can do several reps with the 5 but no more that 20 with the 10. Your professional input pleez :D

Raven, the horse pics were great! Glad to hear you are doing well and really glad to hear and see that you have baggy pants :lol:

Jolly, just reminding you how good you feel about yourself and your choices right now!

Chach, I could eat pizza everyday. Pizza, spaghetti, tacos, those are my favorite things and I could never get tired of them. I do eat wheat pasta now, just not a whole lot. Eating in moderation is a big thing for me because I'm BAD about portion control. I am getting much better about it and am seeing that I don't have to have a plate full of food to be full.

Eating is good, water is good, done weights today but was out doing erronds all day so didn't get in a steady walk but have been on the go all day.

Better get going! Stay strong girls! OH! Hi Happy!

05-14-2004, 09:34 PM
Well, Thanks for the support, Hippy, but not feeling so good about choices right now. I picked up Chinese for dinner. I was supposed to go out for lunch with a friend, but we couldn't. So, I had a healthy lunch. Told myself I would pick up for dinner if I stayed within budget doing my grocery shopping, which I did. So, I guess dinner wasn't so bad, just hte portion control you are talking about. I can't believe I ate the whole thing.

Can I have one day of being lazy when I have the place to myself again? Pretty please? I miss my couch soooooooooo much. I really wish I could be lying on there right now . . .

05-15-2004, 10:09 AM
Morning gals,

Woke up to rain this morning :mad: It's rained here for 3 days and the temps have gone from the 80's to the 60's. The pool was warming up very nicely and I was so excited because it helps me with exercise. I get in everyday and swim laps, put on ankle weights and do my legs. Well, maybe it won't be much longer.

Jolly, is portion control your biggest problem? It seems to be really hard for me at home but if I go out somewhere it really isn't a problem :dunno: I always pass on chips and dip or appetizers and order something healthy and small on the menu but when I'm at home it's a total different story. I also have a hard time staying motivated on exercise. I just hate it and don't know why. Getting out and walking or something isn't that difficult. Maybe it's because it takes away from my I want to sit on my butt time :lol: Since you were so nice and said PLEEZ I grant you a day off! I think if you have some time to yourself and want to spend it on yourself with your couch friend then you should BUT just 1 day!

I have to haul trash off today. That's always fun! Hope everyone is well and enjoying the weekend!

05-15-2004, 12:32 PM
Well, gee Hippee. I am glad I remember to say pleez! You are right. I don't want to lose momentum. But I so miss my couch. It is a lovely, overstuffed, cream leather model. So comfortable to curl up and watch movies on. Sigh. My butt groove is probably gone now too. I won't stay on there too long. I am even going to the barn and gym today, even though I am still sick. We have had weather problems up here too. Hot. Cold. Wet. Sun. Just can't seem to make up its mind what season we are in. I have a bunch of stuff to do, though. Sunday school prep. Ride. Work out. Then get back for the Preakness.

And yes, portion size is a big issue for me. I kind of broke my eating issues out. Healthy food choices. Emotional eating. Portion sizes. I was working on the healthy food choices, and I think I am making good choices the majority of the time. I am starting to work on the portions now. I have gotten better at restaurants at either asking for a doggy bag, or pouring something over the extra food that makes it inedible ( I will sit and graze forever on a plate, even if I am going to explode). I am getting better about helpings at home. Just need to continue working on it, and start measuring EVERYTHING! I just keep going back to what the nutritionist said about eating healthy foods in healthy portions for the right reasons 90% of the time, and forgiving yourself the other 10%. Emotional eating is a big thing for me, and I know this is something that will take longer to truly change, and really has to be one day at a time. I keep lower fat versions of comfort foods available. This helps some of the time. And right now I have been succesful in telling myself, whenever I feel a craving, I can have whatever if that is what I truly want. When I stop and think about it, usually the answer is no. So, there is progress. I just need to maintain the motivation and attitude, through all of life's little curves. I kind of feel like that was the little lesson God had planned - with Dad moving in. Learning to be a bit more flexible with changes in life, letting go of control, and going with the flow.

Have a great weekend everyone.

05-15-2004, 08:05 PM
Hi all, it's a rainy morning here in Tokyo too and so I won't be going riding. Have a lot of work to do anyhow so I'll try to make good use of the extra time.

Well, I just weighed myself and the scale was gentle. I hadn't expected it though. Why is that? Good things come when you least expect them? How I wish I could learn NOT to expect things, good or bad?

But first, over to you all. . .

Chachee, I too was off caffeine for quite a while, well, not totally off it but way, way down from what I used to consume. Since I started working out in the evening though I started using it for the boost. Not only with workouts but with work, too. I work almost constantly, coming in from one job and running out to the next and I really can't do it. My body and mind are screaming for rest but I can't do it and pay the bills. I know this is not good and I'm going to try to help it in other way, such as being sure to eat good food so the lag in energy is not so great and then really try not to drink the coffee just out of habit.

Your job sounds very interesting. Along that line, have you ever read about how different personalities are revealed in the fingerprints, like depending on whether your prints are whorls or swirls and on which fingers? Kind of palm-reading stuff but I do find it interesting. Things like that are much more studied in Asia than the West and I've always been attracted to that, even if it's just for fun.

jolly, how are you? Thanks for clearing me up on the bat mystery. I'm glad you liked the quote too. I think I should write these quotes down places and refer to them in times of need. They say keywords, looking at them often, can help you reach your goals. Please tell me what is the situation with your father. I joined here only recently and don't have the full story. Is he staying with you and that is putting an extra burden on things?

hippy, yes, I've been doing weight training for nearly 20 years. Recently, I've been getting back into it heavy. Years ago, when I first started out I put on massive muscle. I was more into powerlifting though I worked out in a hardcore bodybuilding gym. I put on the muscle but then started putting on the fat and I hated my look. I blamed it on the muscle but now I've come to realize that the size is actually due to all the fat that is there, not just under the skin but in and around the muscle. I see champion builders who are very thin but very strong and I compare my strength and I see that the difference in size must be the fat. So I'm really trying to finally get the fat off. Anyhow, 5 lbs is quite light but it's certainly better than nothing. Getting the muscle toned and stronger will tighten up the arms but if you have a lot of fat on them there isn't much you can do until you get rid of that. That's where fat-burning and simple calorie expenditure is important. High reps with the triceps exercises are not going to do much because the triceps are small muscles and aren't going to burn many calories. So my advice is to use somewhat heavier weights (10 lbs is a big jump but if you can already do 10 reps with them then go ahead) and try to lose fat with cardio. I don't understand when you say you can do several reps with 5 but no more than 20 with 10. Did you mean it the other way around? In any case, do sets, with breaks in between. Go for the burn with very slow movements on the return part of the exercise. Ask me for explanation if you don't understand. This slow part is for nice muscles, very toned, very strong. This is why some people can be much leaner and much stronger, with the same amount of bodyfat. It has to do with the type of muscle fiber. Anyhow, enough, probably more than you ever wanted to know!!

Raven, where are you? I saw your photos. Your horses look beautiful and I love the picture of you and, is it Arashi (the gray)? Your arm swung over him shows how much you love him. I love hugging Heidi and that's often the pose I take up in pictures.

Well, people, I've been using these past weeks to really take a look at my eating habits, how they affect my energy levels and moods and I've been doing this my keeping a journal of everything I eat, the exercise I do etc. etc.

I haven't been too good about keeping the calories down and I think I mentioned it was because a lot of the time I'm just too hungry. Someone here mentioned that hunger wasn't necessary and I'm trying to see where I may be going wrong. I think it is definitely in the types of food I'm eating not the number of calories. When I force myself to eat salads and fruit and really wholesome things I really do not feel the need to overeat. Now, I probably will still overeat but that's an emotional thing and takes a different kind of vigilance to deal with. It's not the same as that crazed, really starving feeling I get when I'm cutting back on calories.

So, that's my goal for the next week or so, to force myself to stay away from calorie-dense foods, prepare and eat "slow foods," the kind of things that aren't always right there ready to tempt me at the convenience store.

Ok, over and out.

05-15-2004, 10:04 PM
Hey all. I need some positive reinforcement. I did ride my pony, and go to the gym, despite feeling kind of cruddy. I did decide to wait and do the weight workout tomorrow. I also was craving ice cream tonight. I thought about it for awhile. I decided, yes, I did want it. I was craving a dairy queen blizzard, which I have not had in ages. I went, and just got a small. I enjoyed it. And don't feel bad about it. Now, just hope it doesn't come back to bite me at weigh in Monday.

Have a great night all.

05-15-2004, 11:14 PM
Heh jolly, what kind of "positive reinforcement" are you looking for? I don't think we can give that to you other than to say that I find your choice of the SMALL DQ Blizzard, as opposed to what?, the HUNGRY MAN'S DQ Blizzard, or perhaps the WORKING MAN'S DQ Blizzard -- a fantastic "save!" Truly, that's the kind of portion control that's important. And you did it, so good for you!

By the way, clue me in again, what's a "blizzard" and don't tell me it's a severe snowstorm! :rofl:

About scale bites, the scale doesn't really bite, the food is food, it's calories and it's concentrated calories that ice cream stuff you've tucked away. It's got to be used up or it'll be stored as fat so don't look to the scale to cover your sins!! Don't worry, I'm saying this in good-natured jest. Sometimes we just don't want to be constantly reminded of the simple facts of fat, do we?!!

05-16-2004, 03:37 AM
Dairy Queen Blizzard? Ice cream mixed with candy bits.... well small or not, that's not the kind of thing you should be eating and I think you already know that, hence your request for positive reinforcement. Better choice would have been LF frozen yogurt. Minus the mixed in candy bits.

Quitting smoking I kind of had a revelation here and it's no different with food. I'm almost a month smoke free but every day I still get an urge - a strong urge to smoke. I just have found I have to resist it. Haven't found anything yet that a cigarette would fix. The same is true of a DQ Blizzard, chocolate, cocaine, booze, just about anything besides creativity and committment.

Either you want to be on plan or you don't. It's that simple. I kept a pack of cigs around for 3 weeks as a crutch thinking - well if something really horrible happens, I will have my safety valve. But my husband said to me, if you still have a pack, opened or not with you then you haven't committed to quitting smoking. And though I didn't want to hear that, he was absolutely right.

Sometimes I think we set ourselves up mentally just looking for an excuse (stress, reward, just don't care, etc) to not stick to a healthy lifestyle. And there's a big difference between your scheduled day off day of exercising or your treat meal for the week and finding too many reasons not to move and groove or deviate from the planned healthy stuff.

Now don't all get mad at me for what I just said. There's a time to be supportive and sometimes the kick we need really is a kick not a nicey nicey - know what I mean? Mostly I am reinforcing the thinking for myself. Too many times lately I was the one just looking for a cop out, excuse, justifying today's indescretion, etc etc. Day after day after day. And if that's what I want to do, fine but ACCEPT that things are never going to really change until you do. And it has to be longer than just 2 or 3 days. It's the ugly truth and I realize now that's what separates the successful people from the not so successful people. So that's my 2 cents for the night. :rolleyes:

Be good on Sunday whatever you chose to do.

05-16-2004, 09:20 AM
Thanks for the reinforcement?? Honestly though, I wasn't depressed, or stressed, or upset, or anything. I just was hungry for some ice cream. It was a warmish sort of day, and I hadn't had any in awhile. As far as staying "on plan," I keep going back to what the nutritionist said "90% of the time eating healthy foods in healthy portions for the right reasons (hunger). The other 10% just be." Ice cream is not something I have or need every day. I had a taste for some, I got a small. The taste is gone. Simple as that. NOw, if I start eating junk every day, because I had some yesterday, that is an issue. But I am not going to be successful at this if I say I am never going to have (insert food here) again, or until I reach a certain weight, or whatever. The more I tell myself "I can't", the harder it is to control the cravings. Lately, if I feel the urge for something, I tell myself I can if that is really what I want. Yesterday was the first time after thinking about it I still wanted it. So I got just enough to take care of the cravings.

Anyway. Off to church, the barn, and the gym. Have a wonderful day all.

05-16-2004, 10:03 AM
Do I sense an air of defensiveness here? I hope not, because I think that's what this board is all about, support and advice and scoldings and encouragement. And since we only know a bit about each other, there is no way anyone can know just how much of when at what time is actually needed.

I had been glued to the computer with work all morning and most of the afternoon and knew that if I didn't take time to get out and go to the gym I wouldn't be able to for another few days. It was difficult going though because I had and still have a lot of work waiting to do. But I did want to work out.

Just as I was finally getting out the door I checked my mail again and found happy's message and was really glad for it. It was the final push out the door and it fueled my workout so I got a really good one in, with a 5K run on top of that, hour walk both ways too.

I needed that kick in the butt and was really glad for it.

Jolly, I hope I'm not sensing defensiveness in your reply because I must say I too was a bit perlexed by your looking for reinforcement. It was hard to see at first glance what was good about your eating a sundae except for the small sized portion, which I mentioned in my reply. But you see, it's all relative. As you pointed out, for you this was important that you had what you really wanted and you stopped to really think about it. But that was hard to realize until you explained your thoughts around your DQ decision more later!

It's where you are on your path to your goal. Maybe further along, you'll be able to be a bit tougher on yourself, maybe in different ways though. Maybe this IS your way to success, especially at this point in time. Food choices like ice cream sundaes may slow you down but, heck, better to get there slowly than not at all, if there is that risk.

I'm more needing Happy's kind of kickbutt discipline right now. I have about 30 lbs of fat I want off and I've been putting it off and putting it off and those around me and myself are getting tired of it. At this stage, slipups can cancel out an entire week of vigilance. Either I'm going to do it or not!! I've been saying, "it's OK where I am" for too, too long!!

05-16-2004, 10:14 AM
Hey all :D

Happy, so glad to hear that you are still not smoking. It's so wonderful that you have been able to stay strong!

Red, thanks for all of your input.

Jolly, I think you are right! We had to see a dietician when we found out that Gary has diabetes. She made some points on eating healthy 90% of the time. I have found for me that deprivation leads to binges. I do agree that we have to control our choices the majority of the time but if the craving is there and it won't go away then yes, have a few bites of whatever. Just a few suggestions here, have you tried sugar free fudgesicles? MMMM.....they are very good to be sf. I find that they are actually creamy tasting like real icecream. I do South Beach and they are allowed so they save me! Another thing is peanut M&M's. Not that you should have those all of the time, which you know that :lol: but they have a lower glycemic index, something to do wth the nuts in with the chocolate, but they don't give the big jump in your blood sugar. Keeping that sugar level from rising quickly seems to have alot to do with weightloss from the things I have learned from reading. Okay, I know, BLAH...BLAH! Sorry :o

Raven, are you good? Wish you would jump in here and let me know how you are.

Okay, gotta run! Have a great day!

05-16-2004, 02:01 PM
Hello Ladies,

Sorry I've been MIA, but my friend went in for her 36 week check up with her pregnancy, and they wouldn't release her from the hospital. Her blood pressure was extremely high and she was starting to show signs of distress. They got that under control and started her on the potossin (spelling?) and started her labor. She was having contractions for about 16 hours, the baby, D'Metri, came Friday night at 11:43 pm--after two hours of hard pushing, and the use of foreceps. He was 9 pounds, 3 ounces and 21 3/4 inches long. A BIG BABY! And he was 4 weeks early! Can you imagine how big he would have been if he went full term?

I came home Saturday morning and cleaned their house and am doing their laundry. I'm on my 8th and 9th loads, and have about 3 more to go.

I have a horrible cold right now, but I know it's because I have let myself get run-down. Not eating enough (imagine that) and not very much sleep. I'm going to be a slug today and relax and watch tv.

I tried one of those Fiesta salads at McDonalds yesterday. It was really good. Came with a bottle of water and a pedometer. I'm excited about that. It was like and adult Happy Meal!

Jolly: I have to say congrats to you on the small size. I struggle with portion control, and when I get a craving, I used to just get the biggest size they had. You did a great job on having the small size. I treat myself to those once a year, because we don't have a DQ anywhere near Anchorage. Heck, that's about the only time I get to have one is when I travel. So, my reinforcement to you is that you did a wonderful job only having the small size. Plus, if you know you are going to have that, eat very healthy the whole day, cut back on sizes, then have your treat. You can't go through life always straight by the book, and if we don't allow ourselves to induldge a little once in while, then it gets to the bingeing point and that is not good. Like you said yourself, as long as it doesn't trigger the need for junk food daily, so be it!

Red: Actually, I don't believe I've seen a study on personality versus fingerprints patterns. The pattern types are determined about 8-12 weeks gestational development. Quickly, as to not bore you all, we all have little pads on our fingers when we are developing in the wound. When those pads start to go away, that is when the pattern type is developed. If the pads shift to the right or left, they will be loops, if the pads turn more into a "bubble" or gain a lot of fluid beneath them, they will be whorls, and if they just go away without any significant "trauma" they will be arches. I love my job and find it very interesting. I will probably retire from it when the time comes, and I will have had a very fulfilling work life.

Happy: Remind me to ask you to kick my butt when I need it! I think when someone tries to give up an addiction, they find out a lot about themselves and the causes of their addiction. I admire how much soul-searching you have been doing and the fact you have stayed smoke free for so long. I wish my father could, but he is still smoking after both his parents died of lung cancer. I'm glad(?) I'm an asthmatic, so I could never develop that addiction. Again, though, I think my father's smoking in the house brough it on. Some people agree, some don't, but I think his smoking in the house had a direct affect on my asthma.

Hippy: Hello!!

Sassy: Hello!


I'm down 11.5 pounds since my hubby left for Thailand. He's going to be home June 5th, not the 11th. YAYAYAYA!! I have 3.5 more to go to meet my challenge I put myself on . I think I can do it in 3 weeks.

Okay, off to eat. I'm going to find something to eat!!!


I am down 11.5 pounds since my hubby left for Thailand. He will be back a week early, yay, on June 5th. I'm so excited!

05-16-2004, 04:08 PM
This (was supposed to be) a quick one, chicks.. I'm running behind schedule (when am I not?) and have 400 gazllion things to do before I run off to pick up Richard from the airport. (Holy cow can I talk or WHAT!?!)

Jolly - I know from whence you speak. I have never, nor will I ever be able to, say "never" about some food. This is how I am learning to be "normal" (if there is such a thing). Portion control is a HUGE issue, and I applaud your ability to select the small, then go on about your business. It's much like my using the skinny cows, etc. at night so I don't feel deprived or resentful. Am I successful in my losing weight? Well, lets see. In January of 2003 I weighed 218. This morning I weighed 175. Ok, yeah, it's going slowly. But it's going. Here's one of the things I've learned - I can eat all that wonderful stuff. Once in a while. Like you... 90/10. That is the key to my success. Each one of us has to figure out what works for us. And what works for us this week may not next week or next month, and we'll have to try something else. Expect me to start screaming at you if I hear about repeated incidents of ice creamage. ;) I have come to terms with the fact that food will always be a "treat" to me, it will always be a comfort, it will always just freaking taste good. I have my doubts that will ever change. In accepting that, I accept who I am and I've learned how to work with that and not feel guilty about it. Booyah! :D

Happy - You are doing SO well with the smoking!! :bravo: Major congrats to you, girl!! Finals all over now? I haven't exactly been keeping up too well... :o

Red - Thank you so much for your sweet comments about me and my pony. I do love him. Very, very much. I honestly don't know where I'd be without him right now. He's taught me a great deal in the last 8 months or so. He's actually a cremello, not a grey. Blue eyes, pink skin, and barely offwhite coloring. Though he does have a blaze. :D Hard to see most of the time, but it's there. The calorie/hunger issue was tough for me, too. Especially if I was lifting heavy. There is nothing that will create that ravenous, eat-the-leg-off-the-table feeling more than a really hard lower body workout for me. When I'm lifting pretty heavy, I plan on upping my calories a bit the day after each workout to mitigate the intensity of the hunger. helped me get a handle on protein/carb/fat ratios to find out which percentages worked best for me to combat hunger. Doing aerobic or floor work or light weights never really creates that massive hunger. Though I do know that one week before my period starts, I usually have one day where I'm starving.

Hippy - If you're interested in weights, you really should hit Krista Smash's website. She has great information for beginners and experienced lifters, and has a whole section on lifting just with stuff around your house. Plus she's got a great sense of humor. Her URL is

Chachee - Wow!! Well I'd say a new baby is a fairly ok reason to have disappeared for a few days... ;) But I still have her beat on the baby size. Both mine were early - not 4 weeks - Ian was 2 weeks, and Valeska was 3 weeks early... or so they say. I don't believe them. Valeska was 9 lbs 13 oz, and Ian was 11 lbs 3 oz. Do those babies sound early to you? I think not. ;) I didn't have babies, I had toddlers. How nice of you to help out like that! It's so hard having a new baby with no one to help out around the house. You're a gem!

Alright chickies.... *sigh* My 5 days is almost gone. Where did it go?? Where did all my money disappear to!?!? :o

Monday, Wednesday, Friday - Treadmill
Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday - Pilates

Riding. Bareback. Sitting trot for now till Arashi learns to extend out a bit. He's getting it very slowly, and I know it's hard work for him. He needs to develop those rump muscles - so do I. :^: Then once we both feel comfortable and he's not doing that little anxious, stiff legged, bounce-me-clear-to-the-sky trot, I get to start posting bareback. Wheeeeeeee! Oh my aching legs. I lunged Eve today. Oh holy crap that horse has beautiful gaits. Gah. Once we teach her how to handle her emotions, she is going to be unbelievable. Ok, I must kill my son and take his horse. Did I really type that? :devil: Bad mommy.

I didn't get my grocery shopping done today, so I'll have to do a little tomorrow at lunch. Tomorrow night is Machine's riding lesson. Today I still have to clean this stupid freaking HOUSE why can't it be a stable, I love cleaning stables!!! Phoo.

Tonight, one last meal I promised myself during my vacation... Steak 'n Shake. :smug: I'll actually be ok with maintaining at 172 for this month. If I do manage to lose something - hey - more power to me. Alright chickies.. this week ought to be an interesting one!! Two more weeks left this month! Where does the time go!?

05-16-2004, 05:54 PM
Hey all. I just got back from the gym. Did the weight workout I postponed from yesterday. And 30 minutes of cardio. all this after my pony gave me a workout I had to wring my bra out from. All in all, a good day.

I wasn't defensive, as much as decisive. I don't want to start thinking food is "bad." I just want to eat like a normal person, and not King Kong. I do keep sugar free fudgicles in the house. Love 'em. And sugar free puddings which I make with skim milk. These have been really helpful in curbing cravings. But, if I feel like I can't have something, it will trigger binges. So, I guess I needed the reinforcement that I was able to go and have a small, just like a regular person, and not need the jumbo, gargantuan, huge, supersized one. I want to be a healthier weight, yes. But not if I have to spend the rest of my life eating carrot sticks and rice cakes. That's why my goal weight has a ???? behind it. I want to see where I land, where I can maintain the weight by working out 5 times a week, and still enjoying food once in awhile. Because you're right, Raven. Food is an enjoyment. It appeals to many senses. It is also often social. And that is ok, as long as it is not every meal, every day. So yes, I will expect the butt kicks, if I start eating it daily. Oh, and Chachee, I usually only eat 2 meals on the weekends, due to all the running around I do. But I have done what you mentioned if I know I am going out or something. It is a really good plan.

Red, cool on the running. I hope to be back doing that soon. I can't wait. Chachee, congrats on the loss. You are doing great. And congrats on your friend's baby. Hippee, how's the weather? Did you get to swim? Happy, goodluck with finals. I wish you could send your stop smoking energy to my dad :( Raven, way to go on the bareback. I wish I could do that, but with my fence post pony . . . no way. He finally is comfortable with me taking my feet out of the stirrups without thinking I am INSANE! You can just tell he is thinking, "Great, tubbalard is going to fall off on her fat butt, and it will somehow be MY fault."

Have a great night all, and see you after weigh in tomorrow.

05-17-2004, 10:14 AM
Good morning :coffee:

Yestarday was a freakin nightmare. First off I hate dealing with people that are rude, snobbish, arrogant, should I go on :lol: I'm a true believer that noone is any better than anyone else regardless of how fat your wallet is. I took Jordan to the eye doctor yesterday. After his exam this little blonde ~BLEEP~ waited on us. We picked out his frames and she was doing her thing paperwork wise and so on. I was asking her to give figures on what kind of lense would cost what and so on. I was paying out of pocket so I had to know what I was buying. She kept trying to get me to buy these lenses that were $100.00 a piece because they won't shatter and she said they would be great since he plays basketball. When I kept saying that I didn't want those she got real huffy insisting that I make a decision. I told her we wanted the featherweight lenses. Jordans prescription is strong so if we don't get those his lenses are thick. Anyway, she told me the cost and I told her that was fine. Then she told me if I got regular lenses they would only $24.00 a piece, I told her I didn't want those because they are to thick. Okay, we pay and go have lunch while we are waiting for them to get them done. We go pick them up and I could not believe my eyes. That little ~BLEEP~~BLEEP~BLEEP~ had the regular lenses put in his glasses. They were getting ready to close, I was having a fit because she was saying she ordered what I said. I was mad I was seeing red. I honestly thin she did it on purpose. They didn't have time to fix them yesterday so we have to go back today. I'm not finished with those people. They better not yank me around today. They WILL fix his glasses and I will talk to whoever about that chicks attitude. AHHHHHHH!!!!! I feel better :lol:

I'm sure you all didn't want to hear that rant but it ticked me off! Poor Jordan, he looked at those and said they would be okay since they were cheaper with a terrible look of fear in his eyes. I let him know real quick that he doesn't have to wear those because I wouldn't wear them myself. GRRRRRRRRR...........OH! Still ranting :lol: Sorry :o

Hello's to everyone, off to the eyedoctor so I will post weighin and all of that later!

05-17-2004, 12:25 PM
Hello all. It's a beautiful morning up here! I did my weigh in this morning, and lost 5 pounds. woo hoo. Only about 90 more to go. (Picture JOlly doing a jiggly sort of dance in her office).

Hippee, hope you get things sorted out at the eye doctor. I swear, so many places seem to have totally forgotten CUSTOMER SERVICE. Go get 'em girl. Good luck.

Hope everyone else is having a wonderful day. Here's to a great week.

05-17-2004, 04:10 PM
That is me trying to get back OP. ;) It's not a total wash, but definitely the planning was lacking. I had to pick up Richard at the airport last night, and ended up not getting home till nearly midnight, in bed at nearly one. There was no way I was getting up at 4:45 to work out. So I set my alarm for 6:30 and dealt with it. Skipped breakfast at home, planned to eat oatmeal here at work. Ah, but .. work was stupid hectic because the temp I spent hours training in on Tuesday decided to BAIL on us!! They managed to get someone in to answer the phones, but that's all she did. I will dig myself out from under this massive pile of catching up eventually. *sigh*

Oh and yay wow, my period started last night. I had completely lost track of when that was due. But today, instead of caving to the emotions and tiredness and getting Arby's or Wendy's I picked up a salad for lunch. Turns out that it's raining badly with thunder and lightning up at the stables, so no riding lesson for Ian tonight. In a way, that's better - I really needed to do a little grocery shopping, and now I have time to do that tonight. When I'm this tired I'm very weak willed when it comes to resisting crap. So.. so far so good, I guess. Tomorrow will be better, I'll have more food options and I won't be falling asleep at the keys. :D

Hippy - I'm so sorry you had to deal with that kind of nonsense. Jolly's right.. customer service seems to be a thing of the past. I hope today things went well and you got the right lenses. Your son is so sweet for being willing to take those thick ones.. trust me, I know what you're talking about. And you're right, there's no way I could do that to one of my kids, either!!

Jolly - Good for you on the working out and WOOHOO! on the loss!! That's wonderful!!! I'd dance, but I'm so tired... here, I managed a foot twitch. ;)

Ok, ladies.. I'm going to try to brave out the rest of the workday without yeilding to the temptation of the vending machine. Happy Monday!

05-18-2004, 12:21 PM
Mornin' all,
Raven, welcome back from "vacation" ;) Ain't it fun to be back in reality again? Sounds like you had a nice, well deserved break tho.

Hippy, I've encounted the same kind of frustrating people at the glasses place. Complain to the manager. Don't know if anyone really cares much anymore. I think for the most part, like car salesman, those people don't stay much in that business or at that particular store for very long. And I've often wondered myself how the qualify to fit glasses. As Jolly and Raven have said, customer service is a thing of the past... sadly enough.

Congrats Jolly on your big loss for the week! Keep it up girl! When will you finally get your home back all to yourself? This week?

Chachee, hope you are feeling better and your friend is doing better too. Thanks for the review on the McD's salad. I was wondering about that myself.

Red, maybe we can support each other with a get tough attitude. I'm been slacking for too long myself.

I was all ready and willing to join in on the "no crap" challenge of Madcat's that they are discussing in the journals. Sunday was a beautiful day here and me and the hubby went into the city to take some pictures, walk around and enjoy the day. About 2-1/2 hours into our trip, we were walking through the zoo looking for a place for lunch when I stumbled on some uneven cement. I tried to keep myself upright and in doing so twisted about and jammed my back. I guess I have a weak spot with the sciatica because I felt a pop, searing pain and I couldn't stand on my left leg. It was a long, slow, painful hobble back to the car. Thank goodness the car seat reclines all the way back. So here I sit now, crippled up again. :( And none too happy about it :mad: :censored: :bomb: I can't sit, walk or drive for much longer than 15 minutes at a time and my husband is not fond of grocery shopping so I am trying to make do with what's here in the house. Not terrible stuff but not exactly the stuff that supports a "no crap" challenge either. Argggggghhhh. Why, why, why???? It's nothing that a few days of rest, heat and Motrin won't fix, but it's still frustrating, especially when you have yourself psyched up to get with the program. Well there are people worse off than me, I will just do what I can for the time being. Getting old and falling apart is a :censored:

Hellos to Lucky and hope the rest of you have a decent day...

05-18-2004, 12:21 PM
Good morning all. I hope everyone is well, staying dry, and maybe even finding some sunshine. Raven, great choice on the salad for lunch. I hope you were able to avoid the vending machine. But don't be too hard on yourself. Unless you ate the whole vending machine. Then you need some help. I hope things are going smoother today, and you have a chance to catch up and feel better. I know, with being sick, I am having a harder time with choices, but am still doing pretty good. I have been eating pretty healthy, and good portion sizes. I did have some chips yesterday and today. Oh well.

Where is everyone else? I hope things are going ok. Catch you later :)

05-18-2004, 01:13 PM
Hi Ladies,

Happy: Hope you are better! My sciatica is really bad right now too. I think it's the Devil trying to sabotage me with my exercise, so I am plugging along through the pain. It's probably not as bad as yours, but isn't it annoying? Something I guess we will have to live with all of our lives!

Hippy: That "customer service" attendant needs a good butt kicking. I think she probably did to it on purpose. I hope you go back and have it out with a manager there. Your son is so sweet, but he needs the other glasses.

Jolly: Keep up the awesome work! 5 pounds gone, even after lasagna and a blizzard! Wonder woman!! Great job!

Raven: Welcome back! Wow, those are big babies also. Glad I had a c-section! did you get all your grocery shopping done? I did last night. I hate to grocery shop! Anything else I'm all over it!!

Okay, busy busy busy here. I'll try to check in tomorrow before weigh in. I'm hoping it will be a good one, as I've been a really good girl this week. No sabotaging myself this last weekend! Yay me!


05-18-2004, 10:11 PM
Hey all. Happy, we must have cross posted this morning. I hope you are feeling better soon. Just take care of yourself. And hopefully Wednesday I will be living single again. I have to admit, I am feeling happy, yes, but also a bit depressed because I couldn't really connect with him or help him. Sigh.

Anyway. Chachee, have a great weigh in tomorrow. I am just hoping to stay the same this week. ANY loss will be great. With this cold, it is hard to think about anything, much less food choices. I am actually not eating horrible, but I also can't work out quite as hard. I got dizzy doing seated leg presses this morning. I only ended up doing 2 sets of weights, and was not working very hard on the PRecor. So I will be happy as long as the scale doesn't go up. I will spend this weekend cleaning, reclaiming my space, (being a bit depressed) and hopefully getting healthy again, then back to my goal of averaging 2 pounds a week. NO excuses. I want ot drop the bar down!

Have a good one all.

05-19-2004, 08:19 PM
People, help! I'm feeling so discouraged about my efforts, the near imperceptible progress, the way it seemingly can be wiped out with a day or two of eating, non-exercise. It's like, why do I knock myself out working out so hard at the gym, trying to eat only healthy foods etc etc. when no one else really seems to care. Why not just be enormous, unhealthy, untoned etc etc. What a slump. This is what happens. This is why I don't make enough progress to actually get to the next place.

Words of encouragement, wisdom greatly needed!

05-19-2004, 10:00 PM
OK. First, what happened that you are feeling like you aren't making progress? And what happened that you feel like no one else cares? Who should care? Who are you doing this for?

Just a reminder of the physics, here. The closer you get to goal, the longer it takes to lose because your body needs less calories to maintain the weight. Also, if you are lifting weights, you are gaining muscle - which weighs more. You know this.

I guess I would suggest looking at where you want to be. Are you fixated on a number, that may not be realistic for your body type and fitness level? I don't know, I am just asking. My friend that is trying to get me hooked on weights was all excited, because she weighs 180, and is wearing smaller size clothes then before she was lifting. I still think she had 10 pounds of keys in her pockets, because she does not look that heavy. No fat. All toned muscle.

Most importantly, be kind to yourself. Maybe it isn't like this for you, we each have our own reasons we are overweight, but the more you try to be perfect, and not make mistakes, the lower you feel when things don't go according to plan. And that isn't good. You do a lot of great things. You run (I am jealous), ride, lift. You work hard. You are taking good care of yourself. Give yourself a pat on the back, not a kick in the . . .

Well, ladies. I am roommate free. I am trying to remind myself that I did all I could, and a person has to realize they need help or have a problem to accept help. He didn't even leave the phone number of where he is. I have no way to get ahold of him. I should be mad at him for being a selfish prick, but I just feel sad. Oh yeah, Red, sorry. 2 months ago my father moved in with me. He is 55, and does have some health issues, but overall has a martyr complex - the whole world is out to get him, nothing is his fault, poor him. He made some bad choices, has no income, was living with his parents for 5 months before moving in with me. I told him I could only support him for a short time - and I feel like a selfish unloving daughter. Life sucks sometimes.

Have a good one all.

05-19-2004, 11:21 PM
jolly, thanks for being so sweet and giving me a quick reply. It made me feel a lot better. It actually made me feel good that someone could be jealous of me running, something that is really hard for me. I just want to be lazy. I really do. I am very lazy. But when I do run and push myself to run faster or longer, I feel so good and so powerful and athletic and alive but it takes a lot to do it. But it IS so hard to do. So, maybe I don't look lazy but I know what I really want to be doing. I then feel so misunderstood because people think I'm all these things I'm not.

Unfortunately, I don't think the answers are so easy. It's kind of a complicated thing and perhaps you're right in saying I want perfection, or at least, I want to reach a goal that I have set, though I wouldn't call it perfection. It's not an easy goal, so sometimes I just get so sick and tired of the discipline that this goal seems to require. And, I am the only one who has decided to do this, there is no one else encouraging me, except bodybuilders who are extreme by nature of their passion. So when things get tough I have only myself to doubt (in the normal world) and that makes it harder.

Then again, that said, I still have a lot of fat on me. We're not talking anywhere near perfection yet. I am very strong and my training leaves little to be desired but I have a lot of fat, even for a regular person (as opposed to a bodybuilder obsessive). I'm only 5 feet 1 1/2 inches so at 154 lbs (even though I have a ton of muscle) I've got gobs of fat on my butt and thighs and great handfuls around my waist (where my waist is supposed to be). So I feel, and living in Japan where people are tiny and women are miniature doesn't help, like an Amazon, and I am one in comparison with the vast majority of people here. But I just want to get the excess fat off.

So, I guess, when you ask "what happened" it was mostly that I allowed myself to be my normal self for one night, which means kicking back with friends and enjoying an entire bottle of wine and a few cans of beer all by myself, little sleep, not being able to do my work the next day because I was too sick from the drinking and then eating all sorts of unhealthy food and sweets (which I rarely allow myself), then getting on the scale for the usual morning weigh-in and seeing a rise of a whole 2 lbs in two days. I had been so good and seemed to be making progress and then one night and one day of easing off and I have to see a kilo extra on the scale. The other major depressant was not being able to ride my horse because of the weather, wanting to get out to the stable but having too much work to do to just pay her bills and then wondering why I'm doing all this, the exercise, the eating healthy, the constant working, day and night with all sorts of freelance work just to pay the bills and then meeting bad luck and not getting to enjoy the riding anyway.

Oh, God, what a lot of moaning. Sorry about this.

So, yeah, I know no one else should care. I guess I just want some recognition and know I'm not going to get it. Here (and most everywhere) strong women are not wanted. If I want a pat on the head I should be weak and anexoric like 95 percent of the women here. I should be compliant and submissive and dependent on a man . . and well, I'm none of those things and don't want to be . . . (though it would be nice to have someone working for me and paying the bills but I've found no one willing to do that because I have none of the above) and it just gets lonely sometimes, especially when things are so hard (making enough money, working out so hard, eating in a very purist way).

Maybe I'm not committed to the extreme discipline yet and need to be tougher on myself. I get the feeling I'm moaning about the hard work needed in what I have decided to do for myself. So either I stop moaning, just do it, or change my goal. But if I change my goal, I'm not going to be happy with myself. I want to be thin, lean, to have the look of a sprinter, not a sumo wrestler. Perhaps the problem is that I'm trying to do it all at once but heck, that's what balance is about, isn't it? I did years of only working out and eating like a sumo wrestler and that's the way I look, big, strong, healthy. But I want to look lean and strong and healthy. For me, getting that lean part is SO, SO hard. I want to eat like you wouldn't believe.

Maybe I need to really look at my goals and commit to them again or change them, right?

So that's my moan. Over to you.


I'm sorry to hear that your father has up and left without a word and left you feeling so sad. How could you feel unloving when you've been helping out? You did the right thing to give him a deadline, a time limit to your selflessness. There's nothing selfish (in the negative sense) about what you did. I really have a thing about people knocking being selfish anyhow. You've got to watch out for yourself and not let people use you because they will.

Don't worry about the no phone number. He's punishing you probably in his truly selfish way. Be glad he didn't leave a number. Don't buy into his attempt to send you on a guilt trip. Does your father have a drinking problem? You mention health problems. His behavior sounds like classic alcoholic behavior or something close. I've been there with boyfriends. In any case, yes, you're very right, he has to want to help himself before anything will change. Sometimes things have to get very, very bad before he'll get to that point, if he ever does. It's **** for family or lovers to stand by and watch things get worse but if they don't it won't get better. Very painful stuff. It's painful because you have to pretend and act hard and cold when you're not at all.

Well, don't want to read into things too much as I don't know your situation.

Thanks for reading this super-long message.

05-20-2004, 12:47 AM
Hello All!

Okay, check it out.....I DID IT!!!! I lost 3 more pounds this last week for a total of 25.6!! I made my 10% goal, got another 5 pound star, got a 25 pound magnet, and am halfway to where I wanted to be by the end of the year. ALL IN THREE MONTHS TO THE DATE!! HAPPY HAPPY DAY!

I guess this comes at a good time. My friends, Red and Jolly, are a bit down. So, let's get started....

Red: We all have panic nights. I had one last night. I had to log on to the WW site and chat in the panic room. I'll explain more later, but the good side of what happened is I did not turn to stress or emotional eating. I solved it with talking and a big glass of water. We always need to keep in mind why we are doing this. For me, it's so I can be more active with my 2 year old. Also, I wanted to lose a bunch before my breast reduction surgery to prove my boobs don't get smaller, no matter what size I am. Take a deep cleansing breath, and go on with it. I know it's tough and we struggle, but that is what we are here help lift each other up!

Jolly: I am so happy your dad is gone, but sad he chose to leave how he did. I know this relationship has been a struggle for you for quite some time, and you did everything any person, let along a daughter, should and would do. He has to take responsibility for his life and actions and can't make you miserable because of it. Look at the progress you have made since you got the okay for him to leave! It's like a horrible weight has been lifted from your physical address and your mental state. It has come at a great time for you. You are focused, ready for action, and making wonderful progress. Big hugs and know that it's his CHOICE to act how he does, nothing you say or do can change it.

My situation last night was horrible. The friends I cleaned house and did their laundry for, the ones who just had the baby, are mad at me for what I did. The wife said she doesn't like people coming into her house and moving stuff. The husband said he doesn't like other people doing his laundry. I was so hurt by that and all the time I spent over there making sure it was clean for them to come home to. Felt like I was slapped in the face. I came home after that and was going to eat eat eat. I got a glass of water, logged onto the WW panic chat and got some support. It brought me to tears, and that DOES NOT happen very often. I wasn't implying they didn't keep a clean house or that they were not able to do it themselves, I just thought it would be nice for them to come home and not have to worry about the house with a brand new baby.

So, I am doing my own thing, staying low and going about my business. I am going to write it off to immaturity (they are 23) and maybe the Baby Blues, but if it continues, I'll have a talk with both of them and let them know what my intentions were. That will be it and they can decide if they want to continue our friendship. I don't need ungrateful hurtful and rude friends.

I am okay today, just a little bummed, until my weigh in was tonight. Made me very proud of myself and my accomplishments!

Talk to you all later!


05-20-2004, 01:44 AM

Congratulations on your loss!! That is wonderful news and you must be so happy. Do you realize what 25.6 lbs feels like? That is fantastic. You're getting there. I think the forces that be were looking to be kind to you because of your idiotic "friends." I can't believe that they would not have been overjoyed to have someone help out like you did.

Anyone would have been in tears for a kick in the teeth like you got. If you had done that for me I would have been in tears out of gratitude! Really, Chachee, I would dump these people. These are NOT friends. You don't need this kind of insolence, ingrates totally!! Lose them fast. Maybe not so easy in Alaska but if at any time people should be gentle it's when they have a new baby to be grateful for. If anything, these people sound like very closed, tiny-world kind of people. I mean, did you break their locks to get into their house? Did you hang their underwear out for the neighbors to look at? Well, even if you did. . . them not showing anything but infinite gratitude is inexcusable, period!


Well, thank you for your encouragement. Yes, I guess that is what I was having this morning, a panic day, a tear-filled Chicken Little kind of "the sky is falling" kind of day, the world hates me, no one loves me, I can't do this anymore kind of major Wailing Wall kind of morning. Wow, and it's not even a hormonally challenging time of month. It must have been the wine. I never drink wine and I wondered why I was so ill yesterday.

Heh, Chachee, let me say one thing. Don't waste your money on breast reduction until you've lost a lot more weight. I used to be probably around 200 lbs (not sure, wouldn't go near a scale then) years ago, with no muscle whatsoever and I had huge boobs. Now, they're barely there. I was just reading how bodyfat has to get below 18 percent for women to start getting muscle definition on their thighs. My bodyfat is around 28 percent now. 18 percent would be pretty darn low. I was wondering why my legs always look so fat and when the fat is going to start melting away enough to show the muscle. Breasts certainly are the same. If you are over 200 lbs then you probably have at least 30 percent bodyfat still even if you're tall, unless you're a powerlifter and heavily muscled and even then you'd probably still be over 30 percent. So, I would definitely wait till you get your bodyfat under 30 percent. Can you measure your bodyfat or get it measured somewhere? Surgery leaves scars, costs money and is really unnecessary. Besides, the fat will come back. That's all breasts are is fat so don't think it won't go back there if your body likes to put it there. Don't look just at weight, find out about your bodyfat levels. When I first lost a lot of weight I wasn't doing any weight training and all I looked like was a smaller pudgy version of my bigger self. It wasn't until I started changing the composition of my body, in other words, reducing the fat and replacing it with muscle that my body started to really change its look and shape.

Well, thanks again for your help. I am going to breath deeply and get on with it!

And, once again, you should be majorily PROUD of yourself! Good going!!

05-20-2004, 02:28 AM
:headache: Am having problems with response time on this site tonight and have already lost one long and time consuming post. It figures... trying again.

What a rotten night for so many of you :( :grouphug:

Jolly - as Chachee said, your Dad has consistent behavior of breezing in and out of your life and leaving you all shaken up. You have done the good daughter thing, you are not a doormat (and don't have to be one) and I know how you feel when you talk about feeling guilty but please do not validate his needy behavior by punishing yourself. You've been doing great so far, don't let him knock you off the wagon and kick you in a rut. There comes a time when we all have to be grownups, like it or not.

And Red, what a day you've had too. I wasn't really sure what to make of your situation. Are you feeling guilty for taking a one day time out? Are you all work, work, work and no play? With the weights, is this a program of your chosing or have you been talked into something perhaps a bit more demanding than you intended originally. Sounds kind of like it's a bit of the blues, a bit lonely and not having enough "me time" balance. Then again, maybe it was the wine ;) Glad to hear you're feeling a bit better. It must be difficult for you to be in Japan, surrounded by different things, trying to fit in but then again not comparing yourself to everyone else. If I may ask, what is your definition of "lean"? Are you shooting for something that might be a bit unrealistic? It would sound like from the type of workouts you are doing that you are "sculpted" rather than lean. Lean to me is straight up and down, sculpted is having great definition in the arms the hard, sleek curves and the collarbone showing that just looks awesome in sleeveless tops. I'll take sculpted any day. I still remember how Linda Hamilton looked in I think it was - Terminator 2 where she worked out to build up her arms. It was like whoa! I'd love to look like that!

Why do you eat healthy and exercise? Well, who would take care of you if you trashed your life, got drunk all the time, ate nothing but tempura and routinely woke up in the gutter or in your car (assuming you have a car)? We all do this, not because we always want to but deep inside, we know we need to and darn it, we do feel better when we're on the right track. Sure is hard though and boy can I relate to your feelings of "lazy" tho you are by no means lazy. And lazy begets more lazy... get the junk out of your system, stretch out and get back on the path again. One day, one step at a time. And squeeze in some horsie time too.

Chachee - congrats on another great weigh in. I'm jealous. And I'm also sorry for the reaction of your friends. I know some guys are really freaky about someone else touching their undies and I even know some guys who won't let their own wives do their laundry because they don't like how they do it. I think what you did was a wonderful gesture and I sure would have appreciated it if someone did it for me. Perhaps they were embarassed having someone see their house. :dunno: I still think it was a nice thing to do, sorry they didn't feel that way. Great for you for grabbing the WW chat line instead of eating away your hurt. But then again, those are the tricks that got you to 25 pounds down. Take a bow girl :encore:

Gotta get to bed myself now, hellos to Lucky and Raven - catch you guys tomorrow.

05-20-2004, 09:01 AM
happy, thanks for your reply. I was reading part of it outside on my phone on my way to the gym and I had to laugh when I read the part about eating tempura all day. I think you've hit on something! I think asking myself or fantasizing about doing things like that is just what I need for a good laugh. It's like the other day when I was outside the gym sitting there drinking coffee and saying to myself that I was going to have a giant ice cream cone, forget the gym and go home. It was a nice thought, and maybe just enjoying it was what I needed to get me to the gym, which is what I did and I had a great workout.

So I'm going to try that technique. I like it, this choice that we, of course, always have, but tend to forget.

I think I was feeling, not guilty about taking a day out, but by seemingly being punished for it by the jump on the scale. Normally, I'm the one telling people not to mind the scale so much and normally I don't mind it but I think the jump, coupled with my feeling wretched, not being able to ride (which I live for!), the ton of work that was lying before me and whatever else all, just had me down. I did get to the gym today. I mean, I love to work out, and though I only had time to do a leg workout I went into it pretty heavy. But afterward I felt kind of sick and now I feel feverish so I think this is probably the reason I'm feeling so low. Getting sick always knocks me down because I'm never sick. The weather here has been really changeable. Hot to cold and now there's a typhoon on the way. It's a small one but headed straight for Tokyo and supposed to hit tomorrow morning during rush hour. I hope I can get into work. And, by the way, I don't have a car, haven't driven in about 20 years. My license expired (I'm originally from Pittsburgh) and I haven't been in the States ever long enough to get it renewed.

As for lean, yes, I guess what I mean is sculpted but the sculpting is already there, just hidden by fat. :lol: I do remember Linda Hamilton's arms. I love that look and for it you need no fat. I like being very strong but am tired of looking hulky and that's the way you look if you're strong without the sculpted look. I really work hard at working out and I guess I'm just sick of not having the body I want. It's a fine balance though and I've always appreciated the amazing amount of work bodybuilders go through. I've worked out with bodybuilders for 20 years here and am surrounded by national champions and category winning people. But no, it's definitely something I love doing. It IS extreme but that's what I want so I guess I just have to commit to do what it takes to get there and stop my whining.

Well, I've got to go. Got a load of translation to do and I'm dead tired. Must get to sleep (It's already Thursday night here, we're 13 hours ahead of East Coast time.) Thanks happy for your concern. It really made me feel better and gave me something to use next time the self-pity starts!

05-20-2004, 09:36 AM

Chach....Way to go! I do have to admit I'm jealous :o Makes me think really hard about joining WW but I can't decide.

Jolly, glad to hear you have your big, comfy couch back BUT don't get too comfy, okay?

Red, hope you are feeling better about your efforts.


Jordan now has new glasses and at a discount! I hate it when I have to show my butt to get something taken care of but sometimes you just have to stand up and demand that the business people in this world act right :lol:

Okay, as for me, down 2 pounds and still doing the weights with my arms. Walking and getting outside every chance I get. Have had rain here almost everyday this week. Today is beautiful and the weekend will be in the 90's.

Happy, didn't mean to leave you out. I had to go back and see who I had mentioned :o Still not smoking!!!!!!! I think that's great!

Today I have to go buy a new ladder for the pool. Our big Memorial Day cookout is fast approaching and the kids will be in that pool no matter is it's cold or not! I am already planning what to grill and what sides to have so I can eat sensibly.

Lucky, are you still with us?

Have a good day ladies!

05-20-2004, 10:27 AM
Good morning all. First - my dad. No, he does not have a drinking problem. I am pretty sure he is dealing with depression. I realize it has probably been a lifelong issue, as he often saw himself as the victim. I didn't realize how much Mom had to deal with, keeping him on track, until recently. It is hard, though, because we really did have a great relationship until the divorce. Then, he seemed to start making a lot of bad choices, and then withdrawing from people. Thanks, everyone, for the support.

Red, I understand lonely. I feel like I have no chance attracting a man, since I am opinionated, sarcastic, AND overweight. But I realize I use the weight as an excuse, and the chip on my shoulder is probably more unattractive then the weight. One suggestion is talking to a nutritionist and doctor to figure out realistic weight goals for your body type and weight training, and diet to get to that goal - if you haven't already. But the biggest thing is to make sure you take care of yourself. Feel better soon.

Chachee - :encore: :encore: Congrats on the weight loss! You are doing great. Your bat will have to be retired. As for the rest - you can come clean for me. I won't mind. HOnest! SEriously though, sounds like new parent nerves. Is it possible that they are getting long distance stress from their parents too? I know my pregnant friend is getting all that. But huge kudos to you for resisting the urge to eat. It is so hard to change those patterns. Way to go.

Happy - thanks for the support. HOw are you doing? School? Job hunting?

Hippee - I promise I won't get to comfy on the couch. I even got off it to workout this morning. Congrats on the loss, and for taking care of business with the glasses.

Have a great day all.

05-20-2004, 11:27 AM
Knock, knock... Raven - you ok? :?:

05-20-2004, 02:00 PM
Hey ladies... *hugs* Happy.

I'm ok. I guess. I truly don't know what's going on with me this week. I've been teary, anxious, tired, moody, scatterbrained... the list goes on. I don't know if it's hormones, finances, the weather, or something completely different.

In any case, this whole week has been one trip and stumble after another.

I've been reading the posts, and hearing you guys talk about the stuff in your lives really helps me. I just couldn't find the words to post. I have this very annoying habit of withdrawing severely when I need people the most.

I'm ok.. I mean.. nothing is overtly wrong. I'm just not feeling like me. I've made a few realizations lately that hit me so much harder than they should have. I had a very big fight with Richard not too long ago. It started because he was in a foul mood, my daughter made a joke that he didn't think was funny, and he jumped all over her for it. Ok .. I started out (I think) reasonable in saying to him that I though his response was uncalled for, and of course, it escalated. Ok, that was a while ago, and things are all smoothed over now, but there was something really bothering me about the whole thing. It took me weeks to really understand what was trying to burble up from the depths. And I only stumbled onto it because of a conversation with another lady from another board about training horses, of all things. She's had serious issues with her father in the past, as well, and we've found a connection. May I dump this here? I have nowhere else to dump it really... my journal, I suppose... but I feel the need to actually reach out to people I care about, and you guys fit the bill. I hope you don't mind.

I idolized my mother, you see. She was everything, everyone to me - in my mind. I put her on a pedestal. She could do no wrong. She was my friend, my confidant, my advisor... sort of. Well, not really. So this is where things started to fall apart. You see, when my boyfriend (or anyone else, for that matter) strikes at my children (verbally, physically, whatever) I try to be rational about it, but if I determine that it's unwarranted, I intervene. I protect, and if it escalates, watch out. I get rabid. That said... it ocurred to me that I couldn't remember once in my life when my mother intervened on my behalf when my father would start screaming at me. I've tried... I thought maybe I was just forgetting things. But the more I think about it, the more memories I dredge up (and that is such no fun), the more I realize all she would do is cry, too. She might have made some feeble comment, but once his wrath was turned onto her, she would crumple like tissue paper. She never defended me. And that realization has hurt me so much. Maybe that's why I do defend my kids the way I do. It begins to dawn on me that until I was in my late teens, I was, in effect, alone. My father and brothers abused me, and my mother - bless her spineless heart - loved me so much and couldn't advocate for me, couldn't stand up for me, couldn't protect me. I didn't even realize it - I grew up with no defenders, no one to stand between me and the world. No wonder my head is so screwed up. My mother grew up without a father. Only one brother out of 5 kids. She was surrounded by women, and sometimes I think my father's aggressiveness, his abusiveness just floored her. She had no idea how to cope, what to do. Excuses... I don't know. I don't know why realizing all this hurts me so badly now, 10 years after her death. Other than I guess having my rose colored vision of her shattered. I feel betrayed, abandoned... delayed reaction, eh? I just never realized...

Anyway. I'm sorry. I guess that little girl in me is just overwhelmed by this. Yet another twist in my brain that impacts my present day life. Writing it out has helped. Putting it out there in black and white where I can look at it logically does make it less hurtful.

So now I'm trying to find the path back to me after this little explosion in my head. You know - this is kind of sick, but have ya'll heard that song "Fighter" by Christina Aguilera? I remember my brother saying to me one time that the reason he was doing the things he was doing was to make me tough, so no one could hurt me when I got older. Sick. But when I think about everything I went through, in a twisted way it's true.

05-20-2004, 02:38 PM
Hi Ladies,

So much to post, but letís start with my dear friend Raven.

Raven: Girl, itís really a tough thing when we come to certain realizations about our childhood and our parents. I grew up in an alcoholic home with a very verbally abusive father. He was a rough and tough kind of a guy. (A logger from a little hick town, so you get the picture.) He drank and drank and we just put up with it. Horrible fights and some really horrible situations. My momís way of dealing with things was to eat or to take us kids and go away from him for a couple of days. It was very traumatic now that I look back on it, but it didnít seem so at the time. Well, cut to recent past/present time, my way of dealing with stress or emotions is/was to eat. That is how I always saw her deal with things or to just avoid them or run away from them. Itís hard when you want to be daddyís little girl and daddy isnít all that nice, huh? Well, it got really bad and my dad lost his vision after a drinking binge. It finally scared him sober. He regained his sight after a few days and has not ever touched alcohol since. Stick with me, as this is a long story also, but it gets better. We had a tough time as kids after that, because we were so used to going to my mom for answers to questions/discipline because dad was always so drunk he couldnít make decisions. Once he got sober, the power shifted back to him and it was a very hard adjustment. Never really looked at him as head of the household, because he was usually passed out or drunk. I think it really impacted me and fortunately, we have all been able to talk about things and deal with them. I have a great relationship with my father now, and I am luck he is alive so we can have that relationship. My mom and I have a love/annoyance relationship. I love her, but she really gets on my nerves when I am around her for an extended period of time. I donít know why that is, but it has always been that way since I became an adult. It probably will always be that way, too. I know itís tough realizing a bunch of these things, but at least you can get to the bottom of things and trace why you are feeling this way. You are such a great protector, itís hard to know that you werenít always protected growing up. We are all here for you and Iím glad you are working through these issues.

Red: Thanks for the input on the surgery, but we are scheduled for August 11th, and I am going to have it done. I have, as some would call them, pancake and saggy boobs. They have been that way since I was in 7th grade. I have been this size for that long, and the problem is that I developed so fast and so big that my skin couldnít keep up. As a result, they are very large and such a big weight on my shoulders. I have lost now around 60 pounds and while the circumference size has changed, the cup size has not. They have always been this size as long as I can remember, even when I was 160 pounds in high school. The doc says that no matter how much weight I lose, they will remain the same sagginess/droopiness. The procedure needs to be done, as I can no longer sleep on my stomach, and my back is having so many spasms itís almost daily I have to take a muscle relaxer. Thanks for the info on the body fat! That was good info! Thanks for the kind words, also! I am proud of myself!

Happy: I loved how Linda Hamilton looked in that movie also. I agreeólean means stick straight. Toned is curvy and womanly. That is how I want to look. Who wants to be straight when we can be curvy, right?!

Hippy: Great job on the loss! Slowly but surely, huh? Thatís the way I am doing it! I am so glad Jordan got the new glasses! Show your butt! Itís a good thing!

Jolly: Iím glad you are roommate free! Take some down time and enjoy it! But not for too long! Enjoy your weekend and donít sabotage yourself for your Monday weigh in!

Thanks for all your encouragement, everyone, with my situation with my friends. Iíve decided I am going to do my own thing with my son, lay low and when they call or come around, so be it. Iím going to write off the hurt feelings and sadness to post-partum. If it continues, Iíll talk to them, but for now itís over and done with. I just know where the boundaries are now. Red, maybe I should have hung the undies outside? Heehe!

Have a great day!


05-20-2004, 02:55 PM
I remember my brother saying to me one time that the reason he was doing the things he was doing was to make me tough, so no one could hurt me when I got older. Yes, and Johnny Cash sang a song about a man who named his son Sue because he knew he wouldn't be around to protect him. Eee gads, what a life you have had Marian. If only people could understand just how much their actions impact someone for the rest of their lives. :grouphug:

I am glad you popped in and wrote out your feelings. All I can say is that we often wonder to ourselves Why oh WHY do we do some things, act a certain way or let people treat us a certain way. And I think when you have an ah-ha moment after some deep and scary thinking like you just had, sometimes it seems too incredulous to believe. It's like a car wreck, we don't want to look at it, yet... we can't seem to stop dwelling on it. Most certainly the kind of situation that is really unsettling.

It seems as if a couple of circumstances have come together over the last year or so that have brought you to a crossroads in your life. Question is... Do you stick on the safe path - safe if not a bit restless and boring and the price for safety is giving up your dreams. Or do you walk out on that tightrope, no safety net beneath you while those around you look up and say "are you freakin' nutso woman?" - which makes you question your confidence. And although that tightrope walk is scary with the possibility of you crashing down and setting yourself back, you can't help but think that once you reach the other side, that's where you wanted to be all along?

Then again, maybe I'm just totally off base here. In any regard, talking helps. You know that your feet and ears never stop growing and I'm older than all of you I think so that means I have the biggest ears to listen, so talk away, as much as you need to - we are all here for you ;) *** with a squeeze on the shoulder and a ruffle of your hair, I'll be back later ***

05-20-2004, 03:06 PM
Chachee, reading about your breasts I couldn't help but remember what one of my large busted friends said to me -- you know you're big breasted when they have to take 3 different slides on your mammagram because they can't get the whole breast on only one plate. I can't imagine what it must be like to have the ruts in the shoulders and the constant back pain - I didn't have boobs at all until I gained about 50 pounds and now that I have them, they always seem to be getting in the way and catching the drips from the imaginary hole in my chin :lol: . Even if you do "shrink a bit" after more weight loss, I'm sure you won't mind. Just keep your eye on the goal and think perky, perky, perky, perky!

05-20-2004, 08:54 PM
Hey all. Raven, ignore my earlier email, if you want. I understand turning away from people when you need them the most. I am a pro at that. Know we are here for you, through good times, bad times, and Sergeant Raven times. Let me know what YOU need from me. That's what friends are for. And never forget that while your past experiences may shape you, you are more than just your past. You are what you have made of yourself, and you are wonderful.

And yes, Chachee. I will remember not to sabotage myself. I stayed away from fast food tonight, even though it was hot and I didn't really want to cook. I did skip the barn though :( It was so hot and humid. And I still had tons of laundry to catch up on at home, that i just didn'tgo. I will pay Saturday. But anyway. I refuse to let Dad's behavior affect mine. I am in charge of my destiny, and I will not play the victim in my life like he does.

Have a good evening all. I hope you are feeling better Red. And Happy, I don't know what made me laugh harder "perky, perky, perky" or the image of you with big feet and ears.

05-21-2004, 12:23 PM
Good morning, wonderful chicks!

Jolly, Happy, Chach... Thank you. After reading everything you guys wrote, I went in the bathroom here and had a really good cry. Then I left work early (it was Thursday, early off day for V's lessons) and went to the stables and we did horse stuff. I needed that badly. I can't tell you how much your replies helped. Each one of you said something I needed to hear. I've never really had support like I get here before in my life. It's made a huge difference in being able to work through things.

I just dumped a HUGE emotional load in my journal, too. That helped. I'm feeling much more like ME today, and I know I'll be ok. No panic, no anxiety about this all, just a kind of acceptance of what is.

I'm still very tired, but it's not that debilitating mental/emotional fatigue. I'm just tired.

I'm sorry I haven't been there to support you guys this last several weeks. I've been so focused on myself. I promise to do better from now on. ;)

It's Friday and OMG I'm so broke. :lol: Shadow is still lame, may need x-rays to see if it's an old bone spur acting up. Nick rode Eve! Both of them did amazingly well! We definitely found our dressage training horse!! Eve knows far more than we do, that's for dang sure. :p She was a little jumpy, a little nervous, but I think the last 3 weeks of groundworking the snot out of her made a HUGE difference. Still have a long ways to go, but wow. It's obvious she's going to be great for us. Machine did great on his lesson. He's impatient, and doesn't like working on the basics, but this is a great way for him to learn about learning. It's something he wants, and badly, so he'll do it.

Food has been whatever I can scrape together, and probably will continue to be so till payday. Blah... you'd think I could get a handle on this money nonsense. I'm working on it, it is getting better, but I need to work harder. Water. Hm. Yeah. I need to drink that, don't I. :devil: Working out. Hm. Yeah. I need to do that, don't I. :lol3:

Lets see if I can get this roller coaster ride to slow down just a bit, eh?

05-21-2004, 01:06 PM
Hello everyone!

Raven: Glad we were all able to help you out. We're here for each other to lean on, and get lean with, right?? I know it's really a struggle at times, but look at what an incredible woman you are in spite of all you have gone through. As far as "not being there for us the past few weeks", we can't be everything for everyone all the time. Focus on the priorities, and everything else will fall into place. We know life happens and we will still be here. Heck, at least I will because I'm in it for the long haul!

Happy: PERKY PERKY PERKY is my new mantra! Who needs to meditate when I can chant that and have my mood immediately lifted?! That cracked me up. You know, that is what I told the doc when he said he would take me down to a 36 C. I almost jumped up and slapped him for telling me such a joke! He said I would be "perky", gosh, haven't seen that since 4th grade. Went straight from a training bra overnight to an over-the-shoulder-boulder-holder! So, the word "perky" doesn't get much use in my home. I might end up being one of those "girls gone wild" flashing everyone I can and telling them "PERKY PERKY PERKY"!! :lol:

Jolly: I am so proud of you resisting the fast food urge. I know that is a struggle for you, and to overcome it and stick with what you had planned is such a big step. I know it's going to seem overwhelming to you getting your house back in order, but know it's going to take a little while. Give yourself some time to just enjoy the peace and quiet again!

Alright, ladies, busy weekend for me. Helping my friend move, which means lots and lots of exercise tomorrow. Sunday I was going to stay home in pj's and veg out, but it's so gorgeous up here right now, I might plan a trip to the Zoo with my little big man. Summers are so short up here you have to take advantage of the nice days when you can, right Raven?

Have a wonderful sabotage-free weekend!


05-21-2004, 01:37 PM
Chach - 36C! That's what I wear... I'm nowhere NEAR perky! Darnit. But you will be, that's for sure. :lol:

Summer in Alaska. Don't blink, you'll miss it. Though I know the last several summers have been unreasonably warm up there. And I wanted to say, too... about the housecleaning thing that you did for the pregnant couple. Wow. I can kind of sort of go there with the "gee they may have not wanted things touched" thing or whatever but.. wow. I can't believe someone reacting like that. Sorry, the first thing that popped into my head was "spoiled brats." *blink* I hope the friend you're helping move appreciates your help much more!! If you go to the zoo, have a great time!! Hug the leopards for me, eh? :lol3:

05-21-2004, 01:51 PM
Hey all. Raven, I am glad things are seeming better. Hope to have an "e" from you soon :) Chachee, good luck with the moving. And thank you SO much for your comments on my eating. I was still craving fast food, and there is a McDonald's right across the street. I had enough of "being good." I didn't care how nice it was to look in the mirror and start to see cheek bones, or have pants fit. NO matter how it affected the scale on Monday, I was going to go pig out. Double cheeseburger, McChicken, supersized fries, chocolate shake. I was having it all. Then I read your posts. On how good I am doing resisting. So I am now munching on the soup, veggies, yogurt and apple I packed.

Here's to a good weekend. We all deserve it!

05-22-2004, 10:37 PM
Hey, y'all. Sure is lonely over the weekends. Had a good day. Had a nice ride on my pony. Good workout - including the dreaded weights - at the gym. So far, have not been a couch potato, though am enjoying it now. Thanks, again, to Chachee's posts, I have not gotten any fast food. I know the urge was binge related - I was stressed, a bit bummed, still sick. If it would have just been "having a taste" for it, where I could have just went and gotten a cheeseburger, that would have been one thing. Iwas prepping for a binge. It is going away now though. Though I do need to invest in one of those pasta measurer thingies. I love pasta, but need to keep it to one serving - not 8.

I hope everyone is having a good weekend, and that I hear from you soon.

05-23-2004, 12:44 PM
Morning everyone,
Had a bit of a scare yesterday. Mom is staying by my sister's for the weekend. Yesterday morning got a call from sister - Mom woke her up at 3am complaining of chest pain and wished to go to the hospital. Had been having the stabbing pains since 10:30pm. And of course we all put off things for HOURS hoping they will go away. :dunno: They called an ambulance and sister rode with mom to the hospital. Her blood pressure was off the charts too. A couple of nitro glycerin tablets seemed to calm things down. We got to the hospital as they were giving her a bunch of tests. She looked pretty good when we saw her. All things turned out to be normal, thank goodness. They had no explanation, said it could have possibly been a reaction to the spicy Italian food they had eaten for dinner the night before (or the fact that mom who LOVES her sweets :love: :T had eating 1/2 a lemon pie in the evening :yikes: So we wound up spending the day at the hospital. My poor husband spent the day sitting in a chair in the waiting room while my sister and I were up in mom's room. Once we knew she was going to be ok, sister and I were goofing around in her room entertaining her. I grabbed a rubber glove, put it on my face and blew it up. We also took her bra and I was dancing with it on my head and knees. We were trying out all the lights and instruments in the room, including the oxygen valve. Yes, we are worse than most 2 year olds. But mom had a good laugh or two and we are all very grateful that she is doing ok. Secretly we all worry - her included that as she advances in age, things might happen and we surely don't want to think about that...

So yesterday was a wasted day of sorts which leaves today to get the house in order, plan the meals, get the groceries and do the laundry. Also need to pick up the Sunday paper and check out the help wanted ads. Sent a resume in Friday to a company I worked at 13 years ago. It's in downtown Chicago so that would mean 12 hour days and commuting on the train again. But I'd have a good walk to and from the train station of almost 3 miles a day not a bad thing unless it's pouring rain, blistering heat and humidty or the frozen winds and snow that give you the "ice cream" headaches - which covers about 6 months out of the year for Chicago weather :lol:

Anyway, much to do today, best get the body moving along. Have a good one all.

05-23-2004, 05:49 PM
Hi Ladies,

Happy: I'm glad your mom is okay. Wow, how very scary. I would have liked to see you and your sister dancing around like that. Next time get it on tape! I'll be keeping your in my prayers for the job hunt. I know the right thing will come along for you, it's just tough right now.

Jolly: Pasta is my struggle also. That and pizza. At least you are conscious about it and know what a good portion size is and that you are probably over it. Heck, we all have areas for improvement, huh? Does your house seem lonely, or are you doing okay since your dad left? I went to McD's yesterday and got a crispy Ceasar salad. Didn't have the dressing, but man, it was WONDERFUL! It was 7 points on my WW slider, but well worth it. You might want to try it when you get those urges you can't overcome. Plus, I got another pedometer!

Raven: Big me to open my mouth. It's rained the last two days here. Typical, huh? At least it wasn't raining during the day yesterday when I moved my friend. Yes, I am going to change my name to Perky Chachee when it's all done!

Hi Everyone!

Moving was very strenuous, but a very good workout. Four hours, yes 4, of lifting up and down stairs. I was sweating more than I have in a long time. As a result, gained some muscle and was a little heavier on the scales this morning. I also understand that I have had two very good weeks for a loss, so my body needs to adjust a little to it.

I have had a very bad sweet tooth these last couple of days. Attended a bbq last night after moving, and was very tempted by all the baked ziti and cake. I had just about one cup of the ziti and then resisted the cake and had another portion of the fruit salad. It was tough, though. Came home and made a soda cake, which always helps with the sweet tooth.

I weighed this morning, for my home challenge, and am down another 2 pounds from last Sunday. Total lost since hubby left is at 13.5. I wanted to lose 15, so that is really close. I have three more weeks to go and I think I can do it! PMS and TOM are right around the corner, though. Egads!

Have a great Sunday!


05-24-2004, 09:41 AM
Good morning all. Happy, I am glad your mom is ok. What a scare. Good luck with the job hunt. Chachee, glad you had a good, sweaty move.

We have had rain, rain, and more rain. I weighed in this morning, and, due to some poor food choices over the weekend, stayed the same. Well, here's to a better week. I have to say, the energy at home is much better now. I did work out this weekend, and was not a couch potato. I was even going to do my yoga tape last night, but ended up in the basement for awhile due to the weather. How fun.

Ah well. Off to do payroll. Have a great day all.

05-24-2004, 01:15 PM
Good morning chicks..

Jolly - Sorry to hear about all the rain.. I guess we got it earlier in the week, and our weekend was pretty nice, thank goodness. Staying the same is sometimes just as much a victory as losing in a week. It sounds like you had some adjustment to go through with having the house to yourself again! Also sounds to me like you're doing really well! Pasta is interesting. I thought for a long time that 2 oz. was cooked, but it's the dry weight you measure. Right? I love pasta. And bread... garlic bread. *drool* With wine. *faint* Ok, I better stop now. :devil:

Happy - Wow. Scary. Definitely appreciate her while she's here, mentally and physically. But you already know that. I'm very glad everything is alright. Ok, that commute would definitely have mine beat. Yeah, I drive an hour each way, but it's a nice country drive with pastures and horses and cows and no real traffic most of the time. And no walk after I get either place. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. :D

Chachee - Wow, you are doing fantastic!! :cheer: I *HATE* moving. Shall I say that again? No, because if I do I'll scream it. I swear the next time we move, I'm hiring someone. No WAY am I going through hauling washers and dryers and couches and beds and recliners and SNAKE TANKS and every OTHER #$&@(#(*&#@@#$ thing up and down stairs. It took me months to recover. *whine* :^: Well, see what you did? You started me on a rant. It's all your fault. ;) Speaking of salads... I've fallen completely in love with that chili's caribbean salad. I think I could recreate the salad, but I can't figure out what kind of dressing it is. I guess a honey-mustard kind of thing? I use very little of it anyway, so it ends up being a great balanced dinner - fruit, veggies, and chicken for protein.

Ok, so .. I'm doing the "gee what the heck is there to eat around here till payday" dance again. So food is just not even something I can think about. The only thing that comes to mind is "can I afford it" not "is it healthy." I would have been ok if I hadn't had to replace my car battery, but .. that's the way things go. Payday is Thursday morning. I'll survive that long. This month is shaping up to be a pretty complete washout as far as losing weight goes. But I am feeling better, and that's a good start. I'm back on vitamins again, which always helps. I've gotten my house a little bit more clean, I've caught up on the laundry, and I've taken care of quite a few things that had been hanging around nagging at me for months.

I worked out at the stables yesterday from 9:30 or so in the morning till about 7 at night. And I mean I worked. Machine was out there with me and we both were sore and tired when we got home. Between feeding, cleaning stalls, scrubbing and filling water buckets and troughs, and grooming, training, and riding horses - yeah. I'm sore. But I loved it. And progress is being made with Eve and Arashi - Machine actually rode Eve for the first time, and did it bareback! Bless his heart, he was so thrilled. I stayed right at her head the whole time, because it was pretty apparent she'd not been ridden bareback before and that was a whole new thing for her. But she did great, and I think it will really help Machine with his motivation to learn to be light with his hands and to really want to learn how to train now that he's actually been ON his horse. It's hard to imagine how responsive a horse can be to all these little cues you don't even know you're giving them until you get on one trained like that. Poor Ian was trying to grasp with his upper leg and she kept going faster and faster, till I showed him that he wasn't dissasociating his lower leg and it was clamping too, and that's why she was speeding up. He wasn't even aware that he was doing it. Anyway.. horse talk. My legs are so sore from riding for so long yesterday on my own horse, and then my arms, back and even abs are achy too. I guess that's a good thing, eh!?

Well, Happy Monday folks! So far so good. :D

05-24-2004, 02:49 PM
There's a bunch of websites devoted to copy cat recipes of restaurant dishes. Here's one for Chili's Carribean Salad. ( It does look very good and definitely in the healthy range. I would just suggest that when they say to blend salad dressing in an electric mixer that you follow directions and do just that - a blender will work just as well. Shaking it in a bottle just won't get it mixed enough - especially if there's oil in the salad dressing.

I might even try this for dinner tonight. That is if it ever stops raining and I can get to the store - I seem to have misplaced my wader's :rain: I think Jolly's getting it worse than us but it seems to roll downhill from her place :lol:

Sounds like you all had a busy and strenous weekend. Chachee when the time comes, can you help me move too? I can't even fathom the idea which is probably why we've stayed put for as long as we have.

Phone rang, gotta run, will catch you later.

05-24-2004, 08:36 PM
Hello Ladies,

Rainy and wet up here, also, but I did get my walks in today, along with Gazelle for 30 minutes this morning. The rain plus my naturally curly hair = springy curly hair for me right now. Would hate for the fashion police to come in and cite me!

Raven: Why do you hate moving so much? Heehee. I do too, but do enjoy the strenuous exercise. Sorry to have started you on a Oh well, it's all good, isn't it? You don't think you did as well this month, huh? Hey, we all are going to have those down times. Hopefully the scale will be forgiving. Your car is running again, right? yay!

Happy: I'll come help if you buy my ticket to come help! Just be all packed up, and I'll lug the boxes where they need to go! Thanks for the link on the salad. Sounds very good.

Jolly: How did payroll go? Did you ever put your yoga tape in?

Well, salt was my friend yesterday, so I am trying to flush that all out! Hate how it makes me feel. Puffy and bloated.

The Swan finale is on tonight. Yes, I am addicted to that show. Guilty pleasure! Going to pick up my son, make a nice salad for dinner, put him to bed, then get in my pj's and veg out to the show. Oh, what a full schedule I have!


05-25-2004, 12:19 AM
Hey girls,
I just looked at Chili's website and noticed there's mandarin oranges in their Carribean Salad. Don't know why neither of the 2 recipes didn't have that in there, so if you're going to make this, don't forget the oranges. I think I'm going to try that tomorrow for dinner - IF the skies stay clear enough to grill for 10 minutes.

Chachee, what's a soda cake? Do tell please... Did you watch the Swan? I admit to having this morbid fascination with that show too. I'm glad Rachel won, in my opinion she changed but looked the most natural of her transformation. The 3rd place winner was cute too. I told my husband that they must have still been a bit puffy or something after their "reveal" because I thought they looked even better on the pageant than they did on their reveal. I'm torn about how I feel about the show, I don't like the fact that EVERYONE got a boob job, brow lift, davinci veneers, liposuction and fat injected into their upper lib (well actually lip but if you saw them after surgery you know they'd be calling it ah lib - oh manph my lib rewwwy huzzzth :lol: ) Eee gads, kinda insane how you look after surgery, isn't it? It didn't seem to say much for everyone is different that they all seemed to get the "standard" set of procedures. However I sure would like a set of those veneers myself. I was complaining about my teeth and the dental assistant said that when you see someone with straight, even perfect teeth, either they've had alot of expensive dental work or they have fabulous genes. Most of us don't. I think my fascination is that even without the surgery, you can have a radical transformation if you're willing to put the effort into it. Oh well, to dream... :cloud9:

Ooh Jolly, ummm pasta :love: we don't talk about that around here :sssh: :tape: I think I like pasta more than anything in the world, tho pizza and cheeseburgers are not far behind. Chicken and fruit and veggies are my friends, - pasta and the others are the things I drool over and have maybe once a month. Although I am learning to really like veggie pizza. Hope you got your yoga in. It's finally cleared up for 2 days so you should be able to get some outside time in before the deluge returns on Wednesday.

Raven, sounds like you're getting back up on the wagon again. Hope you can stretch out the pantry on some semi decent stuff until payday rolls around. I think I'm going to go fix up that salad dressing now and make my menu for tomorrow - planning ahead is the ONLY way I can seem to stay on track. Night, night...

05-25-2004, 02:02 AM
Hi everyone.
Hope the weekend was great for everyone.

Happy I am glad that your mom is ok and I am glad that you were all able to relieve the tension by being able to have fun and make her laugh. Wish I could have been there to see it to :lol3: And by the way :cp: :bravo: on being smoke free for over a month.

Jolly way to go on the gym workout. I am glad that you are enjoying having your place to yourself. What made you come to the realization that you were preparing yourself for a binge? :bravo: on being able to overcome the urge to give in to that.

Chachee what can I say. Way to go. :goodscale You are doing so well. Does the thought of your hubby coming home in the next few weeks help give you a little extra motivation to lose the extra 2 pounds that you want to? Have you been able to talk to him on the phone a little bit?

Hippy do you have a pool in your yard? Are you getting excited that there is only a few more weeks of school left? When does school get out there? It is out June 27 here. The count down is definately on. Heres hoping you get some :sunny: days and you send the rain this way ok.

Sassy hi to you. What day did you say that you are getting married? I hope that I did not miss sending you well wishes already.

Raven well you sure have been busy. Is Nick still riding Eve? How is Shadow doing. So have you been working out at Rosa's like that every weekend? If you have you might be surprised that you still lose a few pounds this month as that is hard work. :goodvibes:

Wrote out a long post last week crying on everyones shoulder then it got lost in cyber land somewhere.

So here goes a short version.

3 weeks ago the little guy came home from a babysitters with lice. I will pause now so everyone can scratch. He was at 2 babysitters so I had to try and figure out which one he got it from. The regular babysitter had an absolute fit. Called me an unfit mother and refused to babysit anymore. Frantically had to find a new babysitter. The second babysitter that he had been at for 2 days said that she would babysit now. Found out it had come from her house. Everyone was treated and cleaned and was taken care of within 24 hours. Still mad at being called a neglectful mother.
Kristi was out riding in her lessons and the horse hit a deep spot in the sand. Horse fell, Kristi fell, sprained and strained neck muscles, sand burn on face, tooth through lip. Bless her, her first words were "Is Des ok?" Horse and her are fine now, but we had a few long painful nights. Quit my job as the owner of the company came in and was an absolute jerk. But the manager and district manager wouldn't let me. They said they would keep him away from me. Now Kristi has her learners license so we have been driving. And Cody is in Lacrosse and there is no other teams to play here so we travel alot to go play other teams out of town. I need a vacation.
I am happy to say that during all of this, I have not gained anything. I am down 1 pound. I know this seems a little trivial compared to everyones big losses, but it is good that I have not been turning to food to ease my stress.

Well I must run. Laundry to do for tomorrow.

Have a great Monday everyone.

05-25-2004, 10:16 AM
Hey all. Happy, I will be glad to send you more of our rain. I have plenty - thanks. haven't seen the sun in so long. I love pasta. I just need to get better about measuring portions. It is easy with like shell or macaroni. It is the spaghetti's that are a problem. "Eyeballing" it just doesn't cut it. I hear you on the menu too. I don't ALWAYS stick with it, but it really helps. Then I don't have to think about it when I get home late.

Chachee, I didn't get the yoga tape in. It is really hard to do it during the week. I get home late, and you are supposed to do it on an empty stomach. By the time I get home, I am starving. So, I try to do it on Sundays.

Lucky, welcome back. Congrats on the loss - especially when it sounds like things have been crazy. I can't believe your babysitter. I thought lice was just an occupational hazard of kids. Because if one gets it . . . I am glad your daughter and her horse were ok. I remember having a run in with a barbed wire fence, and not even realizing I "lost" until I was checking out my horse.

Raven, good luck until payday. I need to make more salads. I have a real good recipe for one with spinach . .. .ymmmm. And I still admire you for riding bareback. My horse thinks I am nuts enough.

Well, I had a mini meltdown yesterday. I think it was just a delayed reaction to dad leaving, but some stuff happened at work, and I over reacted, felt that nobody loved my, everybody hated me. I binged last night. Hardly slept. And woke up feeling stupid. Even though I knew I was making a poor choice, I just couldn't seem to stop myself. I just wanted to rush back to my familiar response to stress - eat. Things are better today. I tried a spin class for the first time. Sweated out my stress. so, here's to a better day.

Have a great one, all.

05-25-2004, 01:00 PM
Hello Ladies!

Happy: I wish the short Cindy girl would have won. She seemed to have changed the most emotionally for the better, plus with that old witch's nose gone, she's a stunner! The girl that won was nice looking also. I'm with you on the veneers. Would love to have that done, also, but my boob job is first. I know what you mean about all the girls having mostly the same surgeries. Really telling about the culture we live in, huh? that cracked me up what you wrote about the lids! Did you see the one with the girl and all the pock marks? That laser surgery they did was amazing, but she looked like the Elephant man coming out of her surgery!

Lucky: Wow, lots going on in your life! Glad you are doing so well considering all that has happened. No loss is trivial! A loss is a loss is a loss. Anything in the negative direction is positive!! I am totally more focused with my hubby gone. That is why I did this mini challenge! It's really easy to stay focused when I am cooking for just my son and myself. Really easy to do, plus not as many dishes!!

Jolly: Don't beat yourself up, girl. We all have those stress times. My downfall is also emotional eating. Why can't I train my brain that when I get stressed I should get on the Gazelle, not into the fridge? You'll be okay, just don't kill yourself over it.

Okay, my soda cake. This is really really good and very easy. Take one cake mix, and type, one can of diet soda and combine in your mixer. Don't add egg or oil! Mix for about 30 seconds on medium speed. Then mix on medium-high for 2 minutes. Spray a 9x13 pan with Pam, heat oven to 350, or whatever degree your cake mix says. Put cake mixture into pan, cook for aproximately 30 minutes, or until the cake tester comes out clean. Let cool, then take one small tub of Lite Cool Whip, spread over the top, cut into 12 pieces, and enjoy! If you do WW points, it's only 3 points per slice. Very good portion size!

I have done the following: Lemon cake with Fresca, Vanilla cake with Diet Orange soda, chocolate cake with Diet Cherry soda. They are all good, and each has a very distinct taste. My favorite is the lemon with Fresca. Very refreshing!

Alright, I am recovering from my salt problem this weekend. Had a great night's sleep last night, and worked out 30 minutes on Gazelle this am. Hoping weigh in tomorrow will be an okay one.

Happy Tuesday!


05-25-2004, 03:21 PM
*takes a deep breath* Well hi there, ladies! I think I'm actually back from the land of eat-whatever-I-want. Sort of.

Lots of stress related eating, lots of emotional stuff, blah blah. I made a big ol' journal entry about stress, comfort levels, all that happy stuff. That and coming back. Practice. Life change. Changing how I react to stress. It won't happen overnight, but it is happening.

So. Thursday. Payday, shopping day, getting the house stocked with good food because honestly I'm tired of eating crap. Junk has ceased to be a treat and is now just making me vaguely ill all the time. I don't WANT to be living like this. And in a way, that's a very good, very welcome feeling. I'm relieved to be feeling this way. I feel like I'm coming home. Last time this happened, I was off plan for ... oh .. 4 months? This time, a month at the most. I'm getting better. I know where I want to be, I know how to get there, and I'm ready to get going. Again. :D

Happy - Thanks for the tip, I'd completely forgotten about copycat sites. Obviously I'll be picking up the ingredients for that salad when I go shopping. I think I could eat that thing every night for a month and not get tired of it. How are YOU doing?

Lucky - Holy crap woman. *saying a quick prayer of thanks that Kristi and the horse are both ok* No stitches for the lip? Is she back to riding again? That sounds like one of those scary falls. A hazard of riding, no doubt about it. Give her a hug for me. Been there done that. Lice ew gross that's nasty yick!!! But yeah.. uhm. Kids get them sometimes and you deal. What crawled up your babysitters undies? Lice, maybe? :devil: Sorry, but that's stupid of her. Of course you haven't gained anything!! You don't have time to breathe let alone eat!! :yikes: :D We're ok. Shadow is lame, and it's relatively serious, she has a bone spavin. I've got the vet coming out, hopefully it will be cortisone, bute, and supplements and all will be well. If not.. we'll figure out what to do next. Eve is turning out to be more than perfect for us. Arashi is .. Arashi. Sweet, slightly stubborn, but my best friend. If I may anthropomorphize briefly.. sometimes I think he does stuff for me with that "ok.. now, you know I'm only doing this because I really like you.. I don't HAVE to do this. You do know that, right?" kind of attitude. So of course I'm ever so grateful to him when he does something wonderful, like.. oh. TROTS. :p I think he and I are far too much alike. Ok ... so you quit but they wouldn't let you. *lol* Did that come with a raise? A 1 pound loss is a loss. Just like Chach said. Don't trivialize it, because I'm not going to. ****, I've GAINED. Happy now? :lol3: Don't stay gone so long, I miss hearing from you!

Chach - You are just amazing. Do WW points translate loosely into calories somehow? I'm just curious how that would work in my plan. I'm definitely going to have to try that, though... doesn't it turn out kind of dry?

Jolly - I already wrote an e-mail about all the stuff I had to say about your post. :lol: I hope today is going well for you. Stress sucks.

Alright. Peace seems to be creeping back into my little soul for whatever reason, and I seem to be finding my path again. Tonight the stables with V - going to go and work Shadow lightly from the ground, and I'll work with Arashi more. Tomorrow is stay at home and try to scrounge up something for dinner... peanut butter and jelly? Egg salad sandwiches? Tuna sandwiches? Water? ;) Then Thursday shopping, V's riding lesson on Eve, and eating right! Woo! I don't even really want to see what I've done to my weight this month. *sigh* I'll weigh in on the 31st when I start next month's thread, and just deal with it and move forward.


05-26-2004, 02:28 AM
miss you all........ popped in today to catch up, feel terrible that i wasnt here for some of you when you really needed. i am sorry.......

~blows a tender heartfelt kiss~

congrats on all hurdles met!!

i will try and get back as soon as i can........ first wedding is this friday, second a week later, the closer we get the more things go crazy. survived my 40th b-day, bought a gass grill...... still in onederland...... i know this is short but hopefully sweet ~grinz n winks~ have to get to munich to pick up my best friend and a very dear one.



05-26-2004, 02:41 AM
Raven, I am so glad you mentioned that chicken salad. We had it for dinner tonight. Yummmmm. It's not something that I ordinarily would have ordered off the menu and wasn't sure I'd like it at first but it's fantastic. The only thing is if you make it from that recipe, I'd reduce the amount of sesame oil from 1 tbl to 1 tsp or a few drops at best. The oil was a bit too overpowering I thought and I mixed in a bit more honey and lime juice to tone it down. I made the salad dressing last night before I went to sleep and and tossed the chicken tenders in a baggie this morning to sit in the refrigerator with the teriaki marinade. Put the rest of the salad together as I was cooking the tenders so all was ready in about 15 minutes of preparation and cooking time. Not bad at all. This is definitely going on my summer salad dinner list. Thanks!!! Hope you enjoy it too when payday rolls around and you can go shopping again.

They just opened a new Meijers store down the road from me today. It's one of those discount super Walmart types with the grocery store and discount store combined. I talked hubby into going there today - was the grand opening. Must have been 3,000 cars there. Far worse than the shopping mall at Christmas. Oh wadda store :love: :love: :love: The prices are a bit cheaper than the local grocery store and they will definitely give Walmart across the street some much needed competion. I think I'll have to do my shopping at 11pm to avoid the crowds - people in cars were actually following people with carts to get parking spots. Amazing... not like we don't have a gazillion stores around here already. But then again, ask me why I just had to go there TODAY myself :lol: I'm just a sucker for food and grocery stores...

My butt cheek still hurts with the sciatica. Rotten sciatica. I keep stretching and moving and taking Motrin but it makes sitting very difficult. I have to go to the office tomorrow and I'm not sure about driving. Have to drive along this forest preserve also with a river that is overflowing it's banks. The closed the road due to flooding a bit down the way but I'm sure I'll get stuck in traffic if the road's still closed. Because of the forest area there's only 2 main roads to get there and if one's closed, the other gets jammed. And I have to get gas to so there goes probably $40 for that. Geezzzzz.

Chachee, thanks for the soda cake recipe. That sounds really good. Add some fresh fruit and it's a great, light summer dessert too I bet. I also have a pan I bought a while back that you can use to bake a cake in - the cherry coca cola cake I think - so I can try that cake on my stove top without heating the oven. Cindy - yes that was the girl's name from the Swan. She was pretty hot looking. And that Gazelle seems to be working out very well for you. Keep up the good work!

Raven, I'm sorry to hear about Shadow. Hopefully something more can be done. I hope you can get your focus back again - but I understand how it's easy to feel overwelmed with all the demands, not even considering all the stuff we heap on ourselves. Priorities, ok and you can't be everything to everyone.

Lucky, I can't even imagine WHY that first babysitter would say such an awful thing. Irresponsible would be to not say anything and let everyone get infected. People, cheesssshhhh :rollpin: Don't let it get to you. What a few weeks you have had :yikes: congrats for not stressing it out in the kitchen.

Jolly hurry for you for doing a spin class. I've heard those are awesome for weightloss. Afraid to try them myself. Was embarrased that I wouldn't be able to do more then 4 minutes without bursting into tears. No more stress eating this week, ok? It is sooooooo easy to slip back into that habit. I know, I feel the same about running back to the cigarettes - temporary fix and less calories than stress eating. But we both have to be strong. Just remember that it only made you feel yukky all night long - losing sleep is not the losing we're looking for here. Remember, you have set some great goals for yourself - keep the forward momentum because you can do it!

Speaking of sleep I'd better get my keester in bed too.

Happy belated birthday Sassy - good luck and congrats on wedding number 1 (already????) - may you have a beautiful day and the start of a long and happy life together.

How are you doing Red - back on track again yourself?
Night all...

05-26-2004, 08:22 AM
Hello all. Sorry I haven't been writing. I have been giving the messages a quick read but have just had no time to reply. Like sweetnsassy I also apologize for not having been there for some of you in some very difficult times. You all are such a fantastic bunch of warm and caring ladies, I really am inspired. Just reading your support of each other practically brings tears to my eyes. Believe me when I say that I am with you in spirit if not in print. Very sorry but it's something I will try to rectify when things get a little less hellish here.

sweetnsassy, munich?! I used to live there. Many memories. What are you doing in Austria? Are you from the States or are you Austrian. I have a soft spot for Bavaria and Austria.

Happy, your kind inquiry is what prompted me to write this quick note. No, I'm not back on track but, like Raven, I realize what I am doing (the same, stress eating) and I'm not liking it and I think that is definitely progress.

Raven, I wish your lame horse the best. Isn't it strange how we seem to pick horses that seem to be very much like us. In seeing them I think it helps us better see ourselves and through wanting to do better by them we, in turn, do better by ourselves.

Well, I'm very sorry. I really must go but I will be back soon. I wish you all the best.

05-26-2004, 10:09 AM
Good morning all. Sassy, Red - glad to hear from you. I hope to hear more when you can.

Get out your boots. I need a few kicks in the rear. My eating is not totally off, but I am just not thinking things through the way I should. And I don't want to back slide. Forward. That is the only direction to go. so, a few kicks would be appreciated. Thanks.

Have a good day all.

05-27-2004, 02:16 AM
Hello Ladies!

Weigh in went well, again, tonight. I think I'm on a roll, or getting rid of one around my tummy! Down 2.2 to 227.2. Total loss since joining WW Feb 18th is 27.8. Slow but sure!

Raven: I am not sure how many calories are in it, as I don't have the box, but it does loosely translate. Just pick up any cake mix, figure the calories based on the mix, not "as prepared" and then add zero for your soda. It's really moist, actually, more so than any other cake I've ever had. Tastes like a brownie! Hope your survival on pantry food has been okay. Tomorrow is Thursday and you can shop your little heart out! Buy healthy!

Red: Glad to see you! We've been missing you. We all get busy and understand when we don't hear from you. We just miss ya! Hope things calm down and you can rejoin us soon.

Sassy: My girl! I'm sending late bday wishes, hanging my head for forgetting! And EARLY WEDDING WELL WISHES! I know it's going to be beautiful in that castle. We DEMAND pictures once you recover!

Happy: That store sounds cool. My sciatica is KILLING me lately! Mine is on my right side. Nothing is really helping it, other than Tylenol PM, and that knocks me out. I can't take it during the day, although some people might like me better that way!

My cousin had her baby today. A little girl named Nichole Marie, 7 lb, 9 oz, 20 inches long. I went shopping tonight. I should have shopped earlier, as I knew what it was going to be. I'm good at that sort of thing. You guys ever get preggers, let me know and I'll tell you what you will have. That's why I argued with my doc when he said the three ultrasounds said I was having a girl. I just knew he was wrong. Good thing I kept the tags on the clothes I bought, huh? I'm 5/5 of the last babies I guessed on, and about 14/15 all in all! I should go to Vegas!!!

I may not have a chance to post tomorrow, as I am testifying in a Murder case. Just a perk of the job! I get to deal with the most wonderful clientle!

Have a great day!


05-27-2004, 10:41 AM
Ok, I figured out how to break a sweat and not leave my chair. I just look up Vin Diesel pictures online. :hot: Yeah, I know, not everyone goes for that look, but holy crap he's .. hot. Yep. I was looking for *ahem* inspiration. :lol3: Oh, I'm inspired alright!! Woo!


Sassy - Happy Birthday!!! I hope you had a wonderful one! And Congrats on the wedding(s), and I understand busy and crazy. Just don't forget about us!! We want pictures!! :D

Red - Crap happens, yaknow? I'm just glad to see you're still with us. Check in when you can, I know life can get really lifey. I hope everything is ok.

Jolly - I told you this in my e-mail, but .. darlin' just go peruse Vin pics... you'll be dying to go work out. Or something. But it sure will get you going!! :yes:

Happy - Thanks for being my guinea pig! :lol: I usually love citrus in my food, so that was a natural pick for me. I was very pleasantly surprised with it myself, and now am slightly addicted to it. I'll make sure I follow your suggestions!

Chachee - Ok girl, you're putting me to shame here. I don't even want to talk about weigh ins right now. :o I have a lot of work to do, lets just leave it at that, eh? A murder case. How lovely. *sigh*

Chach and Happy - I occasionally hit another thread here too, and on it there was posted a good stretch for sciatica. I'll see if I can't find it and post it. It did help mine a bit, so who knows, It might help yours, too.

I feel GOOD today. Ready to hit this hard, ready to run down my insecurities and fears like a speeding 18-wheeler. Time to get myself back OP, get the weight back under control, and start thinking about my goals for next month. This one is pretty much toast except for damage control. But I'm back. I think my goal over the next however many months will be to get solidly into the 150s. I hear them calling my name. And that will put me just a hop skip and jump from my goal of 135. Time to start hitting the weights, I wanna feel macho again. Time to start running - get some new music and get my blood pumping. Time to work on pilates and get those core muscles tightened up and find my waistline again. I've come so far and I know I can go the rest of the way.

For your viewing pleasure, if the scenery interests you...

05-27-2004, 11:55 AM
Raven, oh my. LOVE those pictures. You have to appreciate what steroids can do for a body. . . . Actually, the wroking out has not been the problem. It has been thoughtless eating. I need to get back on track with healthy portions and choices. My mood has been down, and I just haven't cared what I put in my mouth. The other down thing is that now both of my ankles are acting up. I think I will have to wait a bit to try the jogging. This isn't a good thing.

Chachee, congrats on the loss! Way to go.

Everyone, hope to hear from you soon. Have a great day.

05-27-2004, 12:54 PM
Raven: Um, YUMMY! He is so fine!! You know what does it for me? That voice. Holy crap! Better than Barry White anyday. Thanks for making me drool all over my computer. Dang, now I need to get a paper towel. Hope boss wasn't looking.

Jolly: Please explain to me exactly what a spinning class is. I think it's a biking class, but don't know for sure.

Hello everyone else!


05-28-2004, 12:13 AM
Hidey hey ladies!!

Well my first day back OP was ok. Sort of. My schedule was weird today, and I had nothing to take to work to eat for lunch, and I didn't want to go buy something because I was leaving early, then when I left I had all these things to do and .. yeah. I ended up eating a bowl of cereal in the morning until about 10 tonight. And because I didn't end up having time to do the "real" shopping at Walmart, I ended up picking up neccessities at Publix. That will do until tomorrow night, then I can go to the Walmart by work before I go home. But I did pick up a healthy choice thing for lunch tomorrow, fat free yogurt, fruit, all the things I need to survive a day on plan. And tonight was Chili's Caribbean Salad. The real thing, because I had Richard call it in from home and I picked it up on my way from the stables. Oh, and I discovered these wonderful Tropicana Orange Creamsicles with only 80 calories. YUM! So I was very easily within my calorie limit for the day. Now... water was another matter entirely. I need to really focus on getting more of that back in the mix. And I did a small ride on my pony, nothing major, mostly just working him on the beginning steps of training. But Nick had a very educational lesson on Eve. That was the first time I've ever seen her look completly overwhelmed with information, but it was great. So much to learn, so many things to practice!! And Eve, for the most part, was wonderful. She's so young that yeah, she's going to act goofy sometimes, but she is such a sweetheart.

Jolly - I'm sorry to hear about your ankles. :( Could it be the shoes? I know I had to take it really easy because I ended up with shin splints. It was hard to back off, I wanted to keep pushing. But I was a good girl and toned it way down for about three weeks till the spints departed, and then things were fine again. I've been the queen of thoughtless, stress and emotion driven eating for about the last 5 weeks. I can really sympathize there. At some point, maybe already, you're going to want to stop that. You'll know when it happens.

Chachee - Yes.. his voice. The whole damn package. :lol:

05-28-2004, 01:50 AM
Hey folks,

Three day weekend :dance: :dance: :dance: always a good thing. Now do I spend it cleaning house, dejunking the basement, getting in a little extra training time or just goofing off. :chin: GOOFING OFF YOU SAY? - well maybe just one day. ;) After all, it is a holiday and the start of summer :sunny:

Would appreciate that stretch if you find it Raven. This back is the pits. It's getting better slowly but I can't sit in a chair for long periods at a time, at least every 2 hours I have to get up for 15 minutes and walk around. I've been icing it too and trying to regularly take the anti-inflammatories. I am torn between working through the pain and teetering on the edge of doing serious harm and winding up flat on my back - which has happened when I got stupid and pushed too much. I am frustrated too because I have gained almost 10 pounds since I quit smoking and I am feeling quite the :sumo: right now. It's cooler outside so I'm really hungry. Have been trying to make decent food choices, but have been eating more than a reasonable portion. I think the biggest problem is that I have fallen away from my routines once vacation set in. Time to hog tie me and boot some sense into me - just watch the back :rofl:

Raven, I've had those Tropicana bars you speak of. Yummm. I am having a love affair with Edy's Grand Light 50/50 Bar Creamsicle ice cream. 2.5 grams of fat / 100 calories for a 1/2 cup. It's really delicious. And no, who eats a half cup - but even a full cup for a serving if I've been otherwise good isn't too bad. I did compare it to hubby's Ben and Jerry's and I feel positively virtuous. I do hope you can get settled down and back on program again and stomp out that junk in your past deep underneath the hoofs of your horsie pals as you go riding in the wind. You were doing really well and we need our inspiration back - don't make Chachee shoulder everything herself :lol: :strong:

Sorry to hear about the ankles Jolly. Some day you'll get to do that Halloween run yet. Can you power walk or something that's a little more gentle on the joints but would still build endurance and stamina for you? You were doing kickboxing, weren't you? Dumb question but is there something you can use to support the ankles?

Sassy, congrats on wedding number one - hope everything goes smoothly and it's a day made for dreams and happiness for you!

Chachee - congrats on the new baby in the family - is that a second cousin? Those things make me nuts. If I get preggers you all better clean up your act because it will be the second coming :rofl: no chance of THAT happening. TG!!! Gee you hubby will be back soon, won't he? It seemed like it was going to be such a long time and then, time passes quickly, doesn't it?

Red, glad to hear from you. I know things get busy, just hope you aren't beating yourself up over whatever you are eating. My knees are kind of scraped from dragging along the bottom of the wagon but once I get some firm footing soon, I'd be glad to lend you a hand.

Sending a hello to Lucky. Enjoy the long weekend for those of us getting one. Have a picnic to kick off summer but make it reasonable! Myself I wish I could go camping this weekend - it's our kind of weather for it but I'm sure the campgrounds will be nutso buttzo this weekend. :lol: Maybe next weekend.

05-28-2004, 10:53 AM
Aaaannnnnnnd she's off! Yep, I did the treadmill today.

Happy - Speaking of feeling positively virtuous, I feel that right now. Day two of being back OP. Seems so trivial, but I know if I can make it through one day, I'm on my way.

Happy and Chachee - As I promised. Originally posted by little grasshopper... I hope she doesn't mind me sharing.

RT here is a good stretch. You're looking for the one titled piriformis stretch. There are a couple of changes or notes I would add to it though.

1. hold the stretch for 30-40 seconds. You want to lull the muscle into relaxing my giving it a nice soothing stretch - not bully it into submission..that doesn't work nearly as nicely! Repeat it 2-3 times on each side -whether or not you have pain. This will prevent it while you're riding as well.

2. make SURE you lock your pelvis into a nuetral position. It's very easy to let your hips round up and make the stretch easier to do - BUT this keeps you from isolating the piriformis. It's much better to lock the pelvis in place and hold the smaller stretch!

Another thing I have tried is to get a tennis ball - lie on the floor and put the ball under your glutes. Mover around over it until you find what feels like the most tender spot. You want to hold it here. Just relax and let the tennis ball sit in place for a couple of minutes. (do it while watching TV or reading ) Once things start relaxing you can move it around a bit. It gives you a good massage. If you are too tender to try this lieing on something hard you can always try lieing in your bed but it's a much lighter pressure! Keep a ball in the freezer for times when you're really in pain!! You can get an ice/pressure point massage at the same time!

I hope these help! Good luck and stick with it. This is one of the most common tight muscles I treat so you're in a huge crowd of company

Some very good URLs on this particular issue...

I have found that since I've been including this stuff in my routine, my sciatica has almost disappeared completely. Now... that's just me. Be careful, because I don't want anyone to get hurt!!

Here's to a three day weekend!!! Woo! And because I'm feeling slightly and very pleasantly obsessed lately with our sexy boy Vin... another couple pics to take your mind off your worries and pains for a minute.

05-28-2004, 05:39 PM
Hello Ladies!

Happy Friday to everyone!! Nice long weekend for most of us. I'm going home tonight and getting all my cleaning done so I have three days to play!

Raven: Okay, welcome back to being OP. You are going to set up the new thread on Tuesday, right? Good. Thanks for the info on the stretching. That sounds like it might really help. The links, too! Alright, now you are just being mean!!!!!! Putting those pictures up and letting a woman who has been minus a husband for six weeks is just plain cruel! :dizzy: What kind of a sick individual are you?? :devil: Alright, must maintain composure...must not look at pictures...must refrain from slobbering...must........damn! :lol: :o ;) Um, thanks for the pictures... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Happy: Heck, I don't mind shouldering the responsibility. Gives me nice looking shoulders! Nice and pumped up! Heehee. Hubby due back two weeks from today. (Not that I am counting the time.) Nice to have some alone time, and that lasted for about a week. So much has been going on, just doesn't seem like I got ahead on anything. Puppies, son, house, meetings, etc. I will be glad to have him home to give me some help. I am honestly feeling exhausted right now.

That exhaustion has led to some not so healthy choices on the food, but nothing I can't recover from! No bingeing or anything like that, just not as smart as I had been. But hey, if I am going to do it, Thursday was the day to do it as I have 6 days to get it all off!

Have a wonderful weekend, everyone! I'll try to check in, but not promising much. Don't want you all to see me in my pajamas, no makeup and hair in a ponytail, as I believe that will be my dress for most of the weekend. Do you think they would mind if I showed up to the wedding like that? Geez, people can be so picky sometimes!!


05-28-2004, 07:34 PM
Hello people,

I'm here, occasionally getting a chance to read over the posts, hearing you all on your ups and downs and, as usual, with you in spirit.

Nothing bad is happening here, just so bogged down with work and they keep heaping it on. I should be happy but I'm closer to tears than shouts of joy. I just breathe steady and carry on, calm under enormous pressure. Raven, this is where what you learn from dressage riding comes in, taking yourself out of the emotion, staying collected, staying calm and finding a way to do what you've got to do, not allow yourself to cave in to what seems to be an impossible situation. Above all, calm under pressure and stayed focused and tuned in to the work at hand (in hand, under body! :lol: )

Alas, I DID cave in somewhat and as always it's in the area of eating and working out. Well, really, there is simply no time to work out much as I want to. The problem is I complicate things by overeating instead of cutting back and that coupled with the drop in exercise means a rise on the scale and happy, yes, I, ever the perfectionist, do beat myself up somewhat. Well, I just feel disgusted, absolutely disgusted with myself for not getting it all together.

By they way, happy, keep off the cigs. You're doing great. Weight gain is natural and a given in the beginning. When I quit I gained as well. It's the body healing. It's not you. Even if you ate exactly the same as you did when you were smoking you would gain because the body is getting healthier. This is where you have to say, health over weight, which is what we should always be saying. Just read a report in from the U.S. surgeon general yesterday and he was saying the findings on smoking are worse than ever, that smoking "significantly harms every major organ of the body." He said, "we always knew smoking was harmful but now we know it's even worse." So, stay the heck away from the stuff.

So, today's a new day and I have one last breather before a week of absolute ****. Deadlines galore and a major interview (with an ambassador). Here's where the Leoine confidence will be but a front as I quake inside. But the nerves actually help at times, but God, is it exhausting! THESE are the times I binge as a means of calming myself and I am determined not to this week. I can blow the stories and the deadlines but I'll be darned if I'm goin' blow the eating this time. It's time to do something for ME.

You know, jolly, you were saying you needed a kick in the butt. Well, the other day I was talking to some people and they were asking how I quit smoking and I said, it finally just got to me, it bothered my pride in such a way that I could no longer pick up a cigarette without feeling such a self-loathing that I just said, ENOUGH!! I was sitting there saying this, that I had a lot of pride, and I got to thinking, OK, kiddo, where the h@ll is your pride when it comes to stuffing your face and downing tons of beer? Huh?! Where has that pride of yours gone?

Well, OK, maybe, self-loathing is not the right word. It's not that I hate myself, it's that I'm saying, you can do SO much better, cut out the crap!! Jolly, maybe you can do the same, use your pride to shake yourself into shape.

Well, gotta run. Good luck to you all.

05-28-2004, 11:28 PM
Random thoughts from a madwoman... :chin:

I finally quit smoking because... it got too expensive, I felt like some sort of mutant outcast and I started to REALLY take notice of all the things I didn't like about it Will it take the same things to get me off the food festival? Yes, I did notice the new report that they are discovering even more harmful effects of smoking. However, also this week there was a report that obesity is about to overtake smoking as the most preventable problem Is this a cruel joke or am I meant to never get ahead of the game :?:

By the way, Hippy I meant to thank you - it's actually because of you that I quit smoking. When I heard you were making the attempt, I finally decided after a year of being wishy washy, it was time to get off the pot (figure of speech you know, not that illegal stuff) :lol3: The time will come for you too, when you decide it's right for you. I think I had a break through moment tonight. Normally when someone has smoked around me, I didn't care. It didn't trigger an urge and I didn't mind it. Tonight hubby and I went out to dinner. It was an Italian restaurant and the focal point was a huge bar. All the dining tables surrounded the perimeter of the bar. I am still getting used to the idea of asking for non smoking seating. We sat down and I was immediately assaulted by the smell of 50 people smoking all at once at the bar. With that sort of set up, the whole restaurant was effectively a smoking section. Extremely odd by today's standards. And... while one cigarette didn't bother me, the flood of smoke coming from the bar area really did. It bothered me enough that I actually wanted to leave but we had already ordered drinks and an appetizer. I was actually glad. Up to this point, honestly I have stayed strong but missed smoking. Since I work from home and don't go out much, I'm not exposed to smoking or some of the negative things about it. I did find myself "romanticizing" cigarettes and I knew that was very dangerous. I need to be digusted by it, I need to be digusted by it. I don't trust myself to stay off them for the rest of my days until I truly feel that way. So today was a break through moment for me. Now, if only I could feel the same way about rich Italian pasta :lol: I did eat only 1/3 of my salad and 1/2 my pasta and boxed the rest up.

Red, I worked for a publishing house for a year and a half. I have never seen so many people so totally stressed out - it has to be one of the hardest industries I've ever seen. I hear you on the frustration part. Excessive stress, insufficient time, too many demands and the occasional meltdown are a deadly combination. And the job always takes priority. The problem with food is that it's too portable. You might not have enough time to get to the gym while you're rewriting copy but you can easily multitask eating and writing at the same time! And sometimes a quick blow off steam beer after work turns into a much needed "attitude adjustment" time out as we would fondly say, but with perhaps a few too many :hat: being tipped. No easy answers here, is there? Good luck with your interview and assignments. It's a very tough field that you are in.

Chachee, you mean I Can't wear no makeup and a pony tail and sweats? Or I just can't be seen in public like that? :rofl: The hotter it gets, the more the hair gets cranked up on the back of the head - unlike Raven, I'm not a fan of short hair but when it's really hot I hate it on my neck too. Hopefully once the hubster gets home he'll be back for a while, hopefully???? And you can enjoy your little bit of summer together.

Well it's movies tonight, doing something outside tomorrow and cleaning on Sunday when they are predicting horrid thunderstorms. I would love to do a picnic on Monday because after all, it's Memorial Day weekend and the start of summer.

Have a good weekend all and Jolly, if it's all the same with you, you can keep the rain up your way, I've had enough here although it may dampen my nephew's plans for a cookout but he can use his golf umbrella over the grill :lol:

One last thing, I was looking for some things to do around here on the weekends and they have the Temple Lippizan horses here. I started reading about dressage on the website. How impressive. I can see where that requires extreme discipline for both you and the horse. I can see where that would be both extremely difficult and very rewarding at the same time. If only we were all rich and free to do as we please, huh?

05-29-2004, 04:31 AM
Well, happy, you don't sound too mad to me. I'm glad to hear you were bothered by the smoke. That shows your body is probably free of the addiction. They say it takes a full four weeks for the body to get over the physical addiction. Looks like you're right on schedule.

Just don't take the mentally addictive aspects lightly. It's easy to go back after a couple months, for one reason that people get too confident and think they can have just one and wham, you're snagged physically again. Just think of how gross it is, the smell in your hair, on your clothes, the way it stains your teeth, the sallow look, and, this was a final straw for me, it'll give you wrinkles, lots of little ones around your mouth. I was starting to see them when I quit. Vanity, thank you!

I don't know, the food festival is a whole 'nother ball game. Food is, after all, good for us. We need it, it's life. It's about choosing the right foods I think, more than the quantities. I just finished up a salad, hurrah!! Eat tons of raw vegetables and fruit and your body will feel good.

I was good so far today but I did feel my resolve waning at the usual points of the day, passing the convenience store, hungry, tired, all moments where I've been starting to stuff my face again with junk and I'd been so good there for quite a while. But, I'm taking my own advice here and just trying to stuff myself with good things. The ancient Chinese had a way of looking at virtue and how it was best acquired. They likened the person to a fishbowl of dirty water. The way to clean it was not by dumping out the water and pouring in new, which is traumatic to the fish (you) but by adding and adding new water until eventually the dirty stuff was gone. I think we all too often try to purge ourselves of all the "bad" and in doing so make life unbearable. Better to add the good to the bad and with time we can change, relatively painlessly.

That said, it always requires vigilance. You got to keep adding the fresh water!

Well, I've got to run again. Heh, glad to hear you're looking at dressage. It doesn't look like much from the outside perhaps, but it's amazing when you're doing it. What are the Temple Lippizaners, by the way? I know Lippizaners, but Temple? Is this a North American troupe?

Oh, and thanks for the encouragement with the work, happy. I'm writing this in between rewriting and translation. I'm in newspapers and yes, deadline stress is tough and thankless as well. Here one day, gone the next. Not news any longer unless you're on top of it, NOW!

I'm going to stop thinking of food as rewards, which I still do, God, do I. I'm going to start trying to think of, for example, looking sharp in some nice clothes, being able to say flip back my jacket and reveal, no, not a roll of fat trying to stay concealed under a loose blouse, but, oh my!, a flat, hard stomach, under not a blouse, but a knit top. . . . that would be so nice.

You know, I try to do this image training but somehow I just can't conjure up the images on my body. I've never been there before. . . oh well, keep trying!

Really must go! :wave:

05-30-2004, 12:51 PM
Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!!!! A dark and stormy day here - so typical of the first holiday to kick off the summer season. Hope it's not an indication of the weather to come. At least we can take one day to do the housework without feeling like we've wasted the weekend.

Did some yardwork yesterday, more to do, not enough time. Today will be housework and laundry, I need to do some flylady dejunking here to. Tomorrow might be fairly decent :crossed: so maybe we can salvage one day out of the weekend here.

I think I'm going to try low carb again. I've noticed that my whole body aches and I think it's more than just weather related. Not that I've over exerted myself either with the back being as it was - getting better tho. Anyway I seem to remember that when I was doing South Beach I didn't feel so achy. That takes more careful planning with the meals tho so I guess I will add that to my agenda of things to do.

Just doing a quick check-in here. Hope you all are finding a way to enjoy your Sunday!

Oh and Temple Lippizan horses probably get their name because they come from the Temple Farm up this way. They are the largest herd of Lippizans in the United States and the only ones here who perform in the same manner as the Austrian lines. I've always heard them referred to as the Temple Lippizans, not plain old Lippizans, hence the phrasing like that. Guess I should take advantage of them being so close to home here and make an effort to see one of their shows this summer.

05-30-2004, 02:26 PM
Just wanted to check in quickly. Have a busy day planned, but wanted to wish you all a happy holiday.

Weighed this morning for my mini-challenge and was down another pound. .5 more to meet my goal I set for myself and I have two weeks to do it. I think I can....


05-31-2004, 02:01 AM
noooooooooooooooooo!! they changed the rules...... i cant insert wedding pic links till after i get 50 posts!!! so be it, they obviously have a good reason for it, even if it elludes me right now ~laughing~

sassy is at 45, this post makes 46....... forgive me girls for what i am about to do ~winka winka~

05-31-2004, 02:03 AM
hello hunnies......... everyone count with me............47 ~sniggering~ ooooooo i am a shameless wenchlette arent i.......

05-31-2004, 02:04 AM
48........... can almost feel the antissssssssssss-ay-pay-shun rising huh.......

05-31-2004, 02:05 AM

~turns and cues the music~

05-31-2004, 02:10 AM
small glitch in our counting ....... the words were ....."at least 50" ~takes a deep breath~ thats fine with me , sassy can take a licking and keep on clicking...... ~laughing~

05-31-2004, 02:13 AM
YES!! 51....... i hope you enjoy the pics!!

here you go ladies 4 of the bride and groom...... its official i am now Frau Sassy Schuster!! ~beaming~ i wanted to get these in before the new thread started. promise from me to thee to put up pics of the castle and rectory along with pics from the second wedding........ oh and hey!! sassy and her friends climbed a mountain ~laughing~ i have pics of that too. we have so many pics now. i have some gorgeous ones of my city Steyr if your interested. tell ya what........ i will keep posting them till i hear a resounding.....ALRIGHT SASSY we've seen enough! ~laughing~

The Groom, was there any other answer but yes??!! ~low sultry purr~ doesnt he look handsome.......

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Sassy and her Mann.....full shot of the state ceremony dress, check out the shoes! i had the prettiest feet that day ~grinz n winks~

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close up of the happy couple........

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sealin the deal with a kiss ...........oooochie booochie booooooo

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i adores you ladies so keep in mind between this set and the next set, will be my before pic......... this time next year i will be wearing my Grand Prix Hotsey Totsey dress.........laughing~



05-31-2004, 02:32 AM
Ooo la la Sassy you clever girl - you and the new hubby look absolutely FABULOUS! I love your bouquet and your dress looks a bit like gold brocade? It's always fun to see the real faces behind the posts.

Keep the pictures coming, you both look very, very happy. When will you be taking a honeymoon?

05-31-2004, 10:02 PM
Hellooooo all. Sorry I was awol. I was the chief step-and-fetch-it girl at a horse show this weekend. Between workouts and running my rear off at the show, I lost 1 pound this week despite poor eating. Of course, it is good to go to the show. Seeing all those riders in tight hunt pants really upped my motivation. It was also kind of fun because a friend of mine got engaged. Her boyfriend proposed from center ring, right before the championship classes. Everybody including the show steward and ring announcer helped pull it off.

Happy - feeling any better? I hope so. Welcome to the addiction of horses. I have always wanted to go see a performance at Temple, and have never made it down, even though it is only an hour away. Hmmmm. Oh, yeah. Thanks for making me keep the rain. I had the ride from, well, you know where yesterday. I rode in the storm. Between the sound of rain pouring on the roof, the rain coming in from where the roof leaked, the thunder, and then . . . . the phone rang :fr: My poor little boy had just too much stimulation. He thought for sure he was going to be eaten. Can you take some of the rain? Please?

Chachee - spin is a type of cycling class. You have to change your speed, tension, raise up, sit down. All sorts of sadistic things. I am going to look into upgrading my gym membership so I can do that more regularly.

Raven - More Vin??? Damn! :love: So, you had better been off doing something really fun this weekend, as you ain't been here!

Sassy - Your posts were a hoot. And I love your wedding pix. congratulations!

Red - thanks! I really like the fish bowl analogy. I need more fresh water!

Well, this month didn't end too badly. I did my finances, and had a pretty darned good month. Not quite where I need to be, but getting there. And the weight is coming off. 1 more pound to the 20 pound mark, and I want to celebrate with something nice. I am making the 2 pound a week average. I am increasing my cardio. And planning to get a new weight workout that focuses on abs and gluts. Also, (getting ahead of myself just a bit) starting to research dressage instructors in my area. I really ought to start researching lazer surgery, as that is a big goal for next year.

So, heres to a great June!

06-01-2004, 07:09 AM
Very quickly...

Jolly - Actually.. well .. fun is relative. :D I spent the weekend schlepping around the house for the most part. Watched a lot of movies with the kids, worked at the stables Sunday, and actually got more of my house almost clean. Scary. What I did NOT do? Eat right and exercise. Blah. Last fling? Who knows.

Sassy - What great pics!! Congratulations!!

Happy - It was a dark and stormy night... :lol3: We're getting pounded here, too. I know we need the rain, but unlike SOME people who shall remain unnamed *I* don't have access to a covered arena to ride in. *hmph* ;) Fantastic going on the no smoking. The determination to succeed is a powerful thing!

Chachee - Hope you had a great, if busy, weekend!

Red - Yeah, I like the fishbowl thing too. Good way to put into words the gradual changes neccessary to make this a life thing, not a short term fix.

I hope everyone had a great Memorial Day weekend (if it applies)! Are we all ready to start another month, new and/or revised, revamped, revisited goals? C'mon ladies... the year is almost half over. HALF!!!

Off to the new thread!