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01-25-2004, 01:18 AM
What I have learned is carbs are digested and your body processes them much quicker than protein, fats, ect. After you've eaten these foods, your pancreas detects a rapid rise in blood sugar and pumps out a correspondingly high level of insulin. That results in a rapid plunge in the blood sugar level. The insulin ends up doing its job a little too well- the blood sugar level drops so low that NEW CRAVINGS are created requiring MORE quick carbohydrate fixes. In order to satisfy so many cravings, of course, we take in WELL BEYOND the nutrition we require. We OVEREAT, (usually more of those carbs that gave us the cravings in the first place!) and this leads to more fat, more insulin resistance, more hunger, and more weight gain- a vicious cycle.
Carbs do NOT make us fat. Overeating due to cravings brought on by eating carbs makes us FATTER. They say don't eat carbs, relieve yourself of the cravings, and you will eventually eat less. (take in less calories)

3,500 calories equal 1 pound. Take in or burn 3,500 calories and you lose a pound. Eat 3,500 more calories than you burn, you gain a pound. Calories in vs. calories out....that's what it's all about! (of course, in the most healthy, balanced way!)

I am a huge carb addict. I don't think I can ever get over my problem with cravings and overeating until I conquer my addiction. My problem is, I can't stick to the low carb/no carb way long enough (I am an addict, after all!). So just eating low carb foods for me is a waste of money. It's like giving an alcoholic just a little beer a day. My cravings will just not go away this way.

I wish there was something I can do, but just trying to eat less calories makes me crave them even more. I can't seem to shake this addiction. I try exercising, doing mind tricks, drinking more water, everything under the sun, but all I can possibly manage to do is maintain. But this just isn't good enough for me. I so badly want to conquer this and live a normal life of eating.

Suzanne 3FC
01-25-2004, 03:54 AM
There have been several studies in the news lately which have shown that all of the popular diets work equally, whether it's low carb, low fat, or other. The thing they all have in common is that they reduce the amount of calories you consume. Eat less, lose weight. They don't tell you that, because they sell more books if they focus on one aspect that makes their plan different from the others. What does distinguish each diet from the other, however, is how that diet fits into your lifestyle. If you can stick to it, then it works. If you can't stick to it, then it won't work.

If you are unable to stick to a low carb diet, then why not find another diet to follow? You already realize that it's the calories in the end that does it. Are you sure that eating carbs is causing you to overeat? Weight Watchers and other popular diets contain a lot of carbs, but their followers still stick to them and reach their goals. Maybe it isn't the carbs, but it's something else that causes you to overeat. Have you read Dr. Phil's book on weight loss? It deals with the emotional aspects of dieting, and is quite an eye-opener. We've received quite a few email from people that have said they thought they were carb addicts, but then realized they were just emotional eaters, etc. Putting a stop to overeating had less to do with the foods they ate, than the other aspects of their lives.

Many high carb foods are also comfort foods. Pizza, breads, sweets, etc. Many people may reach for them not because they are carb addicts, but because they are seeking comfort, or pleasure.

You might consider having your physician test you to find out if you are insulin resistant. If so, then you probably should focus on a low carb diet. If you are not, and the majority of people aren't, then your choice in diets should be based on your lifestyle. Find a plan that includes more foods that you enjoy and that you will feel satisfied with, so you don't end up feeling deprived and fighting the urge to go off plan.

Do see your doctor, though. You may have specific needs that require a special diet plan :)

01-25-2004, 06:19 PM
Suzanne ... could you please clarify what you mean when you say "Dr. Phil's Book". Do you have the complete title? Is itthe one I'm seeing advertised on this site? I know who Dr. Phil is, and a bit about his philosphy, but I find several books by him. The last time I looked a Barnes and Noble I found a companion book that listed lots foods and nutritional values, and another book by him, but I didn't find anything that looked like something that talked about diet AND emotions.

I know I'm an emotional eater but I also know that I can stop after one small candy bar, or one scoop of ice cream, but I DON'T stop after a cup of pasta or 1/2 cup of rice. (eeek!!) And to be honest, I don't think it has to do a lot to do with blood sugar levels, because if the starchy foods are readily available, I don't stop long enough to notice changes in blood sugar (I can go through a whole batch of popcorn, 2 large servings of pasta, etc.) :o

Suzanne 3FC
01-26-2004, 04:52 AM
The book is called THE ULTIMATE WEIGHT SOLUTION: The 7 Keys to Weight Loss Freedom. There has been quite a bit of discussion on it in our book forum if you want to browse the threads and see if it appeals to you :) He deals with the emotional aspects of dieting, and everyone seems to love the book.

Overeating may be more than emotions or carb addictions. It can also be due to plain old bad habits. You make a good point about a cup of pasta or a half cup of rice. Many people blame pasta and rice and consider them to be bad foods. However, these foods are eaten regularly in other nations where their population is more fit than ours. The problem here is that we don't know when to stop, but they do. Go to any restaurant and they don't serve you one cup of pasta, they serve a whole platter. We become conditioned into expecting a larger serving size. Our stomachs become stretched out and it takes more to fill us up. We just eat too much. Serving sizes have increased over the last few decades, and our obesity rates have increased right along with it. What was considered an adult size meal at McDonalds in the 60s is now called a Happy Meal. At the same time, we've become used to modern conveniences and are getting less exercise or activity. It all adds up.

Cutting back on portions takes an effort, and it takes time to get used to. But once you reach that point, then your eating habits change and you no longer need or crave the plate full of pasta.

01-26-2004, 02:25 PM
Thanks for the info Suzanne. I will check out the book forum. I have found SO much useful information on this site, but I haven't had time to explore all the forums.

You are SO right about portion sizes. I had this dicussion with somebody recently. The happy meal comparison came up then. I worked in a coffee shop during college (I graduated in '81.) We had two sizes of coffee small (8oz) and large (12oz). Our "small" was considered "big" because at the time, Dunkin' Donuts was still serving a SIX ounce small. NOW ... anything less than 12oz is considered 'stingy' !!! YIKES!!!

01-26-2004, 03:16 PM are so right about portion sizes and how they have changed. I was recently in the market for new dishes and was flabbergasted at the HUGE size of all the bowls and cups in the sets. They were like serving bowls! I couldn't find anything that wasn't sized for Jethro (from the Beverly Hillbillies). One cup of cereal would look lost in most bowls these days and even the plates are all at least 11" across whereas my old ones are 10". No wonder people have such a hard time visualizing what a "normal" size serving of something is.

01-27-2004, 10:10 AM
So true!!

01-27-2004, 03:41 PM
Hi everyone,

I read all the posts with great interest. I agree 100%...we all eat entirely too much food. Everything is "supersized" these days. It makes me very angry that restaurants consistantly serve these huge portions that no human should consume. I think we need to put more pressure on restaurants to serve either 1/2 portions (and not charge us for the service:?:) or to actually cut down on the sizes of the portions. Don't they get the hint when customers want to share a dinner. Restaurants seems to feel that people do not mind taking home a "doggy bag" when in actuality many people do not like leftovers or forget it in the fridge. I would eat out more often if the restaurants served smaller portions and charged less. To make matters worse...pasta is very cheap so they pile it on to justify the price. Anyone have any ideas how we can get the restaurants to get with the program :dizzy:


01-27-2004, 03:51 PM
Restaurants seems to feel that people do not mind taking home a "doggy bag" when in actuality many people do not like leftovers or forget it in the fridge. I would eat out more often if the restaurants served smaller portions and charged less. To make matters worse...pasta is very cheap so they pile it on to justify the price. Anyone have any ideas how we can get the restaurants to get with the program :dizzy:

Well...actually my husband enjoys leftovers... :lol:

The issue is - restaurants are basically responding to public demand for large sized/supersized portions. (there are even restaurant chains - like the Cheesecake Factory :devil: - that are FAMOUS for their humongus portion sizes.) And the rise of the all-you-can eat buffet during the 1990's is part and parcel of this problem. Restaurants that don't have all-you-can-eat buffets (BTW I haven't been to one, except when on vacation in Yosemite or Las Vegas, in YEARS) still offer AYCE 'specials' - The Olive Garden and their "never ending pasta bowl"; Red Lobster and their "all you can eat shrimp" or the latest one I've seen - IHOP's "never ending pancakes".

BTW one of the reasons I DON'T go to AYCE buffets is the health/sanitary aspects - not only the mindset of "I paid $XX for this and damn it, I'm going to get my money's worth!". :lol:

You *can* send letters to the restaurants in question, but since there is such a high demand for large portions, I doubt if they'll respond (other than directing you to the "a la carte" portion of the menu). I suppose the best solution is to NOT eat at those restaurants. As you can see by the low-fat (1990's) and low-carb (2003/2004) marketing craze, the food industry is very responsive to percieved public demand. Perhaps if enough folks stop supersizing their orders, or asking for half portions, the restaurants will 'get the message' and go for quality over quantity...maybe...

01-28-2004, 10:42 PM

My mom and I had this very discussion the other day. She wants to open a restaurant that caters to the older crowd, only serving half orders, and charging much less.

I think having half order options would be a great way to combat obesity, but only if the costumers have the will power to order them. I usually "think" I want a whole plate full of yummy food, but feel miserable and stuffed afterwards. I tell myself before I go out I should order from the a la cart section, but always end up getting the full meal. I would order the full meal and be satisfied IF THERE WAS AN OPTION TO GET ONLY HALF OF IT! If it's on my plate, I eat it. I can still hear my parents telling my how many children are dying of hunger, and I better clean that plate!


01-29-2004, 12:21 PM
Hedi, did you think of asking the waitress to bring a "to go box" with the main course, and box half of it and set it aside? Little tricks that we play on ourselves soon become good and healthy habits. Just a thought!

Sorry, didn't mean to go off topic, a great one BTW.


01-29-2004, 02:07 PM
Hi. I just wanted to suggest a book that I saw on Amazon recently. It's called The Perfect Fit Diet. My sister bought it, but I haven't read it. Apparently, the author did extensive research on dieting and dieters and came to the conclusion that one plan does not fit all. Thus, if you're the type that doesn't like to eat a lot of meat, it would be near impossible for you to maintain weightloss on the Atkins plan. This sounds like common sense, but apparently it's not since many people seem to go on plans that they could never succeed on long term. In the book, the author provides a quiz and other info to help you discover what type of diet is the best for you.

Anyway, I hope this helps.

01-29-2004, 05:03 PM
I think the only way we can combat obesity is by taking charge of our own lives. Moderation and portion control are key-I'm one that hates "fad" diets-I'm much more of a "make smarter choices" person-and that way I can still enjoy treats now and then just in moderation not excess. Regardless, being aware of your body and being receptive to it is so crucial.

Suzanne 3FC
01-29-2004, 08:24 PM
I agree, totally. Look around and you'll see a lot of people struggling to follow popular diets because the media convinces them that it's the only way to go. In reality, we are all very unique individuals and our needs are always going to be different. You have to find what works for you.

We have received countless thousands of email over the years. Many people share what works for them, and it's very rare that someone attributes their success to one diet plan. In most cases, they tell us that they combined the best points from a variety of plans, and experimented until they found something they could live with that helped them lose the weight. These are the people that not only lose the weight, but also keep it off.

01-29-2004, 11:25 PM
Kind of off topic, but a friend of mine who was very heavy ( I can say that because I am, lol),.....started eating off of a Salad size Plate,...she could have any meal (not dessert) she wanted but only the amount that would fit on her smaller sized plate......she did have as much salad with the meal and drank NOTHING but water, and dropped the desserts, but ate pasta , mashed potatoes, bread, you name it BUT the portion size was enough for her to drop 100 pds in 14 months, with out her feeling deprived of her Favorite things ....................didn't work for me because I didn't have the control NOT to refill the

01-30-2004, 02:36 AM
I am getting pretty tired of "fad" diets getting a lot of attention, when it all boils down to the amount of calories you consume/burn. When before it was all about how many fat grams something has, now everyone is advertsing carb grams,...I think it's sad. I wish the amount of calories were put on the screen more often. The restaurants are trying to smoke screen the true way to lose weight by playing on the latest fad. Carbs don't make us gain/lose weight. Its the after effects of eating too many want more carbs! And that just equals more calories.

I think, as with fat grams a few years back, that too much attention is being focused on how many carbs we eat, when in fact, the public deserves to be educated on the true way one gains/losses weight. Calories in vs. calories out. Our society needs to work more on eating less food, not tricking our bodies into allowing us to eat more. I am working SO hard in portion control right now, because I know I eat way too much food, and I think our society as a whole tends to do this as well. We need to stop stuffing our guts!


02-24-2004, 11:32 AM
I just got done reading the thread and decided to add something that got me thinking... Everyone is preaching Low Carb/No Carb... I have a few people at work doing it and are struggling... they get cravings for stuff and then go crazy and regret it. I'm going to step out a little bit but lets think about this- Since the beginning people were eating bread... drinking wine... look at the Bible.... Its a staple. Carbs are not the enemy... how much we eat is the enemy. And alond the same lines... supersized french fries at fast food places are the enemy. We need to start a movement to push "normal" sized portions.. A cheeseburger and fried would be ok once and a while if it wasn't 1/2 lb of greasy meat with 4 cups of lard laden potato sticks! I think its up to us to start letting the food industry know what we want.

Sorry about the rant! I'm off my soap box. :soap:

02-24-2004, 01:27 PM
Hmmm. I have to disagree with you, Paragoddess, regarding the fault of the food industry. Seems to me that yes, maybe we have fallen victim to supersize and effective marketing. But when it comes down to it, I am responsible for what I lift with *my* hand to put into *my* mouth. Supersize is a choice. Good carbs are a choice. I have the free will to make a choice. I have to live with the consequences of any of my choices, no matter what they may be. Best bet - make educated and informed choices. Cogita tute. (think for yourself).

I think the food industry is rethinking their markets by the onslaught of "low-Carb" choices they now produce, including fast food. A few years from now, it will be something new or something rehashed. All industries spend much money on market research. This time, though, I think they got slapped upside the head with the low carbers abandoning the fries, no whatter what size, at the drive-thru.


02-24-2004, 03:15 PM
Gotta agree with Dip here.

It's the American way - capitalism. The food industry, like other industries, does its research - finding out what market trends are and coming out with products that meet (or appear to meet) those trends. Actually, since the FDA has not yet come out with a definition of "Low Carb" (I'm sure they're working on it though - just like back in the 90's when there were no legal definitions for "Low-Fat" and "Light") of course like any other free enterprise, the food industry is taking the ball and running with it. However, us consumers have the right and (hopefully) the knowledge to do our *own* research and decide what is best for each one of us individually.

Since I learnt the hard way in the 1990's that calories -whether they come from protein, carbs, or fat - don't just magically pass through the body without being stored - I've come to realize that there IS no such thing as a 'free lunch' (yes, if you eat too much protein, it WILL make you fat). I can't have my cake (whether it be low-fat or low-carb or whatever) and eat it too...personally at this point, rather than eat a box of tasteless Snackwell cookies, I'd rather have one or two REAL cookies that I can really enjoy.

Kind of reminds me of what Rosemary Green said in Diary of a Fat Housewife which I've quoted oftimes before...
After 20 years I faced the fact that I simply can't control myself once the maple bar is in my hand. At that point, it is not my fault if I eat it. It is literally beyond my control. Like the alcoholic sitting at a bar with his favorite drink in front of him, once that stupid maple bar is in my hand, I am a goner. But...I did have control before I bought the greasy sucker. Or before I walked into the store. Or before I got out of my car. Or before I stepped into my car...that is where willpower must be applied! When the first wicked thought of excess calories enters the brain - that is the place to nip it!...

My hubby Jim is a bassist for a singer/songwriter named Shree Dove - Shree wrote a song about his grandmother and her soul-food cooking titled "Miss Adkins Kitchen". I LOVE the second verse:

"I know something that you may not know
What's good for your heart may be bad for your afro.
You might live longer but it don't mean a thing
If the food that you eat ain't making you sing".

At this point I ride a balance between ENJOYING my food and at the same time wanting to NOURISH myself the right way...for me, that means eating clean, fresh foods most of the time with an occasional treat - NOT some fabricated wannabe lowcarb food...

02-29-2004, 10:49 PM
Boy am I glad I opened up this thread! :lol: You guys have some great points and tips about things. I am going to do the salad plate portions April, and dip, great idea about the to-go box! Thanks chickies!

03-01-2004, 12:08 AM
Mrs Jim, I never met anyone who read "diary of a fat housewife" could definitely see where she was coming from. I also agree we must enjoy and nourish. Moderation is important. Sometimes you have to give in a little and work out more. I wish I could follow this myself. I've struggled for yrs.

and congrats on all the weight loss. phenominal!!!!!!!

03-02-2004, 08:14 PM
Mrs Jim, I never met anyone who read "diary of a fat housewife" could definitely see where she was coming from. I also agree we must enjoy and nourish. Moderation is important. Sometimes you have to give in a little and work out more. I wish I could follow this myself. I've struggled for yrs.

and congrats on all the weight loss. phenominal!!!!!!!

I agree, you have to live your life and enjoy things here and there.. Moderation is the key to health... Keep up the good work...

03-11-2004, 06:13 PM
Everything in moderation is in the Bible, as well. It works, it's right, that's all there is to it. I think paragoddess was saying that people should "think for themselves" when it comes to being told that no/low carb is the magic miracle cure for fat. It *is* being shoved at us from every direction these days.

As for the smaller portions, that would be cool. It doesn't do much for the companies but I don't see them putting WW points on food, either. They DO advertise this low/no carb business quite a lot. If they cut portions they'd have to cut prices and they don't want to do that. I guess essentially they are saying "You can go to **** in a handbasket for all we care as long as we have your money." That's enough to keep me away from fast food.

03-14-2004, 03:28 PM
so much wisdom here! i'm gonna borrow the 'cogita tute' and the 'calories don't just magically pass through the body without being stored.' truly words to live by, no matter how we approach our weight control.

and i'd LOVE to see smaller portions in restaurants. it IS annoying on some levels to take the leftovers [even though heating them up is what passes for cooking in my life!]. it really is all about the money. we pay the same amount whether we eat it or not, or if we take it home. i'd rather pay less and have fewer leftovers!

my biggest concern about the food industry's focus on low carb eating: somehow, someway, they're gonna figure out how to charge more for the same food!!!! it's ALWAYS been fairly easy to eat low carb, if you just paid attention. in every single restaurant [other than fast food places], it's ALWAYS been possible to get some grilled protein and salad. and make them take the bread basket away, and skip the potato. some places would sub a veg, but with the salad, that wasn't always necessary.

i'd much rather eat the real food that some engineered icky tasting chemical laden fake. a real chocolate cookie. not 8 low carb ones!!!!! a perfect biscotti...

just leave the pretzels on the other side of the room, though.

03-17-2004, 11:54 AM
I was out with my husband and my youngest child when we went out to eat. I had a water and grilled chicken sandwhich, no mayo. I had a couple of my daughter's french fries. I looked at my husband and said 'you know, according to the package of fries we have at home, 10 french fries is a serving. There are about 4 serving of french fries in this one small pouch of fries.'

He didn't like what I was saying because he was enjoying the fries. But you are right! Restaurants, especially fast food restaurants, are more about getting 'more for your money'. Super Size It! We want to 'save money' so we Super Size it. We don't want to waste it, so we eat it because it's there. That's where we fall into that trap. Do you know how many calories you consume with say...a big bacon classic combo, super biggie fry and a biggie soda? Your whole day's worth of calories and about 4 days of fat grams. No kidding! You can research this one online. It's scary. Even going 'healthy' is not so healthy. I got a spinach chicken salad at Wendy's. I couldn't find it online, but their other grilled chicken salad was 700 calories!

Subject change: I have not read Dr. Phil's book..but I like the idea behind his weight loss. I like that he addresses the fat that we have emotional needs to be met while we're taking the weight off. I don't think anyone else has addressed that..not the whole person like that. I'll have to check out that book.

03-21-2004, 08:31 PM
Still on the plates theme: we just recently went out and bought a whole set of Japanese style dishes. All of the dishes are small - doll house size when you first look at them.

If you shop around you can find all sorts of different patterns and shapes, and they seem to be quite cheap too! I expect that in the US the range will be greater, but I can't imagine that the plates and bowls will be!

Does it work? Oh yes! We finish every scrap of food and make oursleves wait for 20 minutes before we get seconds. Then we freeze them anyway!!!

I put down my 1 lb per week success to those plates - well that and the exercise and iron willed self control!!!

03-22-2004, 02:01 PM
Paragoddess - in biblical times bread was made with wholegrains, and unbleached flour that was ground by hand - :lol: unfortunately most breads are not made that way these days - but you are right it was the staff of life!

After a year or two of trying to consume "low-fat" products and finding them lacking in taste, nutritional value and often overloaded with sugar I decide I was not going to buy them any more.

My approach is to eat fresh produce, organic when I can find it and the price is reasonable and stick to farm raised beef and grain fed free range chicken. Eating as naturally as possible ( few prefab frozen foods or processed items) works for me. I am now eating whole grain breads, whole wheat pastas and cousous and naturally light dressings. The only low fat products I eat are milk and dairy products like cheese and yogurt. I eat gelato which is lower in fat naturally than ice cream and tastes delicious.

When I eat out I try to order from the appetizer sections and get things like Julienne salads with the dressing on the side or steamed mussels in a tomato or wine based sauce. I avoid anything loaded with cheese or deep fried - haven't been to a Mexican restaurant in eons! :lol: Sometimes I will order a steak sandwich with salad instead of fries and then just ditch the bread. I have also split and entry of spaghetti with my friend - it came with 2 slices of garlic bread so we where both stuffed at the end of it - can't imagine eating the whole plate! :p I also try to order fish or chicken breast if it is baked or broiled.

Suzanne 3FC
03-23-2004, 07:14 AM
Hi. I just wanted to suggest a book that I saw on Amazon recently. It's called The Perfect Fit Diet. My sister bought it, but I haven't read it. Apparently, the author did extensive research on dieting and dieters and came to the conclusion that one plan does not fit all. Thus, if you're the type that doesn't like to eat a lot of meat, it would be near impossible for you to maintain weightloss on the Atkins plan. This sounds like common sense, but apparently it's not since many people seem to go on plans that they could never succeed on long term. In the book, the author provides a quiz and other info to help you discover what type of diet is the best for you.

Anyway, I hope this helps.

Vmelo, thanks for the book suggestion! I've ordered the book and can't wait to read it. It sounds like what I've been saying all along, and I'm very anxious to read her research and opinions. It's very difficult to see someone struggle with a specific diet because it's what "everyone else" is doing, when that diet isn't right for them. It all comes down to lifestyle and personal tastes. If you like high protein and low carb foods, then that type of diet is going to be successful for you, because you can stick to it. I personally lost a lot of weight in carb heaven, lol, because I was able to stick to my plan. We all have different tastes, and it's important for our diets to reflect that.


04-09-2004, 10:15 AM
Going back to the topic of carbs ... I have noticed that when I cut down on my carb intake, my cravings for sweets and other bad carbs goes away. I don't know that this is necessarily true for many people.

04-09-2004, 12:53 PM
IMO it's more about cutting back on cals than anything-especially even if it's just smaller steps from opting for a diet soda rather than the full calorie one. These steps make a difference and in combination with moderation and portion control-I think we're all much better off.

04-13-2004, 06:52 PM
Moderation in both areas will give good results, I believe. I think that it is okay to eat high carb foods, as long as you do not create full meals out of them. Carbs are a part of a healthy diet, as long as they are taken in moderation. The same can be said for high calorie foodsand drinks. Every once and a while they are okay, just not all the time.

04-13-2004, 07:19 PM
I like the point made about whole-grain breads and more organic foods. Refined sugar and flour are not as healthy as the natural stuff "the way God intended it". Unfortunately, natural or organic food is more expensive now that the industry has discovered that society needs everything to taste better and to come in HUGE quantities. I think you can have a lot of success with portion control, but I've also tried to replace white bread with whole-grain bread and refined sugar with Splenda (ok not natural) or that unrefined sugar you can find in packets in a lot of restaurants. Granted, it takes some getting used to, but I think it makes my diet a lot healthier.

Another thing that might help is taking a fiber supplement. Pardon my frankness, but we need this stuff to go through our systems quicker! Keeping our internal organs running smooth helps you feel better all over and makes the digestive process easier. Most Americans don't get enough fiber.

My health teacher in high school used to say "chew your food ten times before swallowing and your stomach will love you forever." I think that's a good rule of thumb to follow. We're harsh on your digestive systems. Eating slow and making sure we use our teeth to properly prepare the food we're eating for our stomachs is a good rule to follow.

These are just a few of my suggestions! I count calories - but I do try to make sure I'm not getting more than 30 grams of fat per day - and I have been trying to increase my protein, but that's to build more muscle. :)

04-13-2004, 07:25 PM
I agree! Amen! Of course, you will lose weight if you cut out the carbs! This has been known for years. It was designed for overweight patients that needed open heart surgery. Doctors would put these patients on this diet for rapid weight loss before surgery for fear of complications. This is a diet. Not a life style change. The minute you start eating carbs again, your weight will come back on. It is a matter of portion size and exercise. I am so glad that someone actually agrees with me.


04-14-2004, 03:48 PM
Mistie, you are a genius... You are right, it is moderation, exercise, and a way of life. Carbs are okay in moderation, just like anything... You can have a soda or some chips, just don't have them everyday... And make sure you are getting the exercise you need to enjoy those snacks and treats ;)

04-23-2004, 08:27 PM
I do believe that no matter what diet your on, it all boils down to calories period!

Okay who's the one that mentioned the Cheese Cake Factory.........drooool ;)

04-25-2004, 11:35 PM
Just tagging on to this excellent thread! I seem to agree with every post, especially the discussion about calories.

They do count, IMO! Playing around with the macronutrients has different effects on different people but the mania to ignore calories in favor of counting carb grams seems just as misplaced as when we ignored calories and counted fat grams.

There's no magic bullet in weight loss, IMO! :)