Does it Work? - any diet supplements proven to help with weight loss? Q&A from Shape




Suzanne 3FC
09-18-2003, 01:11 AM
This is in this month's Shape magazine and I really liked the answer and wanted to share.


Q. I feel like I've tried every dietary supplement known to man, including Hydroxycut, chromium picolinate, and chitosan, but nothing works, despite all the promises. Is there any dietary supplement that actually has been proven to help with safe weight loss?

A. "The answer is no" says David Levitsky, Ph.D., professor of nutrition and psychology at Cornell University in Ithaca, NY. In the doses recommended, no supplement has been found to be effective for losing weight, Levitsky adds. "When a dose becomes effective in terms of increasing metabolic rate, it becomes dangerous. You can run into heart, blood pressure and other medical problems." Even the risky supplements that actually may promote weight loss, such as ephedra, don't help take off more than a couple of pounds - and even then, they work only in the short term.

Levitsky surveyed 150 web sites advertising weight-loss supplements and then reviewed all the published research on the active ingredients found in the supplements. Not a single ingredient lived up to the weight-loss claims advertised. In all cases, either the research cited could not be located in any journal or database, or the studies did not actually prove weight loss.

"Everyone's looking for a magic bullet," Levitsky says, "but there is just no substitute for calorie control."

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I thought this statement in particular was worth noting..
In all cases, either the research cited could not be located in any journal or database, or the studies did not actually prove weight loss.

It makes you wonder about all of the claims presented in advertisements, that look so reputable! Think twice.


MrsJim
10-16-2003, 06:40 PM
Suzanne - I haven't read Shape in eons but I find it especially ironic that that appeared in the magazine - as the magazine is OWNED by a supplement company - Weider (who also owns Muscle & Fitness, M&F Hers, Flex, etc.)

Most of the fitness mags out there are in fact owned by supplement companies - for example, Muscle Media and Energy For Women are owned by EAS, etc.

I just find it VERY interesting indeed!

QuilterInVA
10-27-2003, 05:22 PM
Mrs. Jim, those companies make other supplements than those for weight loss.


FrugalChick
03-17-2004, 11:32 AM
I work from home taking calls for products that people see on TV. Lately, I've been taking a lot of calls for pills like Propolene. I'm giving a script to read and EVEN I don't believe what I'm ready. People are so eager for an easier way. A quick way. I have never found a way other than moderating your diet and your excercise.

SuchAPrettyFace
05-07-2004, 11:14 PM
There is no magic pill.

But just once, when someone asks me how I lost 50#, I want to give them a big cheesy wink & say, "Trim Spa, baby!" :lol:

HappyBunny
07-02-2004, 03:45 PM
I agree with what you're saying, there is no miracle pill. However, I have been fat all my life, and I had completely given up on ever losing weight. I didn't diet, didn't exercise and didn't even look in the mirror. I just thought I'd always be fat. Then one day a friend gave me some AM300's. That same week, I joined a gym. I don't know if it was the pills or the one day of exercise, but I lost 10 pounds that week. If the pills didn't work, at least they gave me some added motivation. After that, I've tried ever pill on the market, and none of them worked. Although, some of them made me so quesy from swallowing the huge pills, that I didn't eat.

BeachBoy
07-06-2004, 02:09 PM
This is in this month's Shape magazine and I really liked the answer and wanted to share.


Q. I feel like I've tried every dietary supplement known to man,
including Hydroxycut, chromium picolinate, and chitosan, but nothing works, despite all the promises. Is there any dietary supplement that actually has been proven to help with safe weight loss?

A. "The answer is no" says David Levitsky, Ph.D., professor of nutrition and psychology at Cornell University in Ithaca, NY. In the doses recommended, no supplement has been found to be effective for losing weight, Levitsky adds. "When a dose becomes effective in terms of increasing metabolic rate, it becomes dangerous. You can run into heart, blood pressure and other medical problems." Even the risky supplements that actually may promote weight loss, such as ephedra, don't
help take off more than a couple of pounds - and even then, they work only in the short term.

Levitsky surveyed 150 web sites advertising weight-loss supplements and then reviewed all the published research on the active ingredients found in the supplements. Not a single ingredient lived up to the weight-loss claims advertised. In all cases, either the research cited could not be located in any journal or database, or the studies did not actually prove weight loss.

"Everyone's looking for a magic bullet," Levitsky says, "but there is just no substitute for calorie control."

=====================================


I thought this statement in particular was worth noting..
In all cases, either the research cited could not be located in any journal or database, or the studies did not actually prove weight loss.

It makes you wonder about all of the claims presented in advertisements, that look so reputable! Think twice.

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What about Corti-Slim & Ultimate-HGH, they seem to be different from the usual weight loss products in their mechanism of action? Any promise here?

JayEll
07-29-2004, 09:32 AM
I just read a new double blind study done with CortiSlim. In a double blind study, there are two identical groups, one that takes the substance being studied, and one that takes a placebo that looks identical but has none of the substance in it. The people don't know which pill they are getting, and neither do the researchers--that's why it's called double blind.

In this study, both groups were told to follow a moderate program of diet and exercise. After 12 weeks, the group taking CortiSlim had lost just under 10 pounds average, and the group taking the placebo had lost just over 1 pound average.

I have been taking CortiSlim for 10 weeks, and I have also been on a diet program and walking every day. As I have said in other posts, I think that CortiSlim helps me with the afternoon/evening carbohydrate craving. I don't think that my weight loss is due to the CortiSlim alone, but I feel that it has helped. :)

SW: 196 5/24/04
CW: 179 7/28/04
GW: 145

Jay

dierkingl
07-31-2004, 06:49 PM
Sorry to say, Cortislim didn't work for me. After about 3 days I noticed I was getting extremely fatigued about 1 hour after taking it. Even in the morning after sleeping all night. I am not a person who just nods off, but at my desk at work I had trouble keeping my eyes open. I continued to take it 2 times daily, but stopped after like 2 weeks. I wrote to the company and they said some people do get tired and to only use it at dinner time or return it. I split the order with 2 women at work. 1 girl is still on it after like 2 months, no weight loss, but she is calmer. I did sleep more soundly, but I never had trouble sleeping to begin with. 1 of the ingredients is a source of Valium. So I say NO TO CORTISLIM.


Thanks. ;) ;)

JayEll
08-01-2004, 10:33 AM
I have to ask where you get the information that CortiSlim is "a source of valium." Valium (diazepam) is a synthetic compound. I've never heard anything like that about it, and I've looked at lots of websites and other information.

It's been worth it to me to try CortiSlim, but clearly it's not for you. People who have been under stress for a long time probably ARE tired--but are kept going by the stress hormones in their system. Of course, there are other ways to reduce stress, such as yoga, exercise, biofeedback, meditation, long walks in the woods, and so forth, which don't involve supplements or drugs. And if I had time for all those things, I would do them, but I would rather not put off losing weight until I have the time....... :)

dierkingl
08-02-2004, 06:45 PM
I wasn't stressed when I started taking Cortislim. I wanted to try it to see if it worked. It didn't. My coworker is still taking it, and she hasn't lost anything. It just makes her sleep better at night. The ingredient I was referring to is called vanadyl sufate (5mcg of vanadium). That is what made me tired 1 hour after taking it. I wouldn't recommend this product as it is costly. Yoga, deep breathing exercise, walking and relaxing music are great for stress, but I am not under stress. So I guess won't believe the advertising of most pills. They don't really work, diet, exercise and good old laughter work best. :)

cherh
10-15-2004, 08:37 AM
Dr Jamie McMannus "Personal Guide to Wellness" and Dr David Heber "The L.A.Shape Diet" both reccomend meal replacement shakes and supplements for weightloss. They have many proven studies from UCLA Center for Human Dutrition that they are safe and effective

Leenie
10-15-2004, 09:19 AM
I wasn't stressed when I started taking Cortislim. I wanted to try it to see if it worked. It didn't. My coworker is still taking it, and she hasn't lost anything. It just makes her sleep better at night. The ingredient I was referring to is called vanadyl sufate (5mcg of vanadium). That is what made me tired 1 hour after taking it. I wouldn't recommend this product as it is costly. Yoga, deep breathing exercise, walking and relaxing music are great for stress, but I am not under stress. So I guess won't believe the advertising of most pills. They don't really work, diet, exercise and good old laughter work best. :)

WOW !!! great info. THANKS !!!!!

ElisaB
10-21-2004, 05:42 AM
Suzanne - I haven't read Shape in eons but I find it especially ironic that that appeared in the magazine - as the magazine is OWNED by a supplement company - Weider (who also owns Muscle & Fitness, M&F Hers, Flex, etc.)

Most of the fitness mags out there are in fact owned by supplement companies - for example, Muscle Media and Energy For Women are owned by EAS, etc.

I just find it VERY interesting indeed!

Even more interesting is the fact that every issue Shape actually contains ads for some of thopse products, like Diet Fuel and stuff :dz:

But I agree, there is no magic pill!

ElisaB
10-21-2004, 05:47 AM
Dr Jamie McMannus "Personal Guide to Wellness" and Dr David Heber "The L.A.Shape Diet" both reccomend meal replacement shakes and supplements for weightloss. They have many proven studies from UCLA Center for Human Dutrition that they are safe and effective


This is a bit of a generalization. Some meal replacement shakes and some supplements are safe, some are not. Taking milk thristle to help your liver in fat metabolism and taking Hydroxycut are not the same thing.

I do take some supplements, mainly liver support herbs and aminoacids, as well as essential fatty acids and a multi, but I steer clear of all those "fat burners". I once read this sentence, that really stuck with me: "In your quest to lose weight, you'll have to give up some things. Your health shoulnd't be one of them". Amen! :)

FrugalChick
10-21-2004, 08:49 AM
I love all the fitness magazines because I find the articles fun to read. But if you tore out all those stupid ads, you'd have maybe 10 pages of a magazine. It's so frustrating at times!

Nirvanagurrly
12-15-2004, 12:08 PM
In this study, both groups were told to follow a moderate program of diet and exercise. After 12 weeks, the group taking CortiSlim had lost just under 10 pounds average, and the group taking the placebo had lost just over 1 pound average.

They only lost one pound in 12 weeks? Does that sound really werid to anyone else? :)

Suzanne 3FC
12-16-2004, 10:06 AM
Yes, it does sound weird, but they were busted for using false claims, and that must be one of them. 10 pounds in 12 weeks is a healthy rate of weight loss easily obtained by following a reduced calorie diet and an exercise program. Losing only 1 pound in 12 weeks should indicate that the group either didn't follow a diet and exercise program, or have some sort of health problem that affects their metabolism, and they need to see their physicians to treat it.

Paisley
01-07-2005, 02:56 AM
I was watching this show on FitTv. . .I can't remember what it's called, but it comes on at 4pm on Sunday and has these "agebusters" trying to be healthier/younger looking by eating and exercising right. One of the women on the show was taking 2 diet supplements, and her dr/coach told her she had to give them up for the same reasons outlined in the Shape article. She STILL didn't stop using them until she heard about an athlete who'd died because of them. When she did, she was in bed for 40 hours with a migraine, and fighting other withdrawal symptoms for a while. That was a really graphic reminder to me of both how addictive those are and how dangerous.


As an aside, I don't think I have a problem with Shape blasting supplements then using their ads. . .as an adult, I can choose not to take them, and it keeps the price down.

almostheaven
01-07-2005, 11:52 AM
I'd have to say that I don't personally think any pill or supplement will work...Cortislim or whathaveya. Because the principal they work on is boosting metabolism or curbing appetite. Well everyone's metabolism is different. So it might boost one person and not another. An aside regarding this "double blind" study. Losing 10 pounds as a group is not a miracle. The whole 10 pounds could have been one individual more motivated to lose than anyone else. But they never give that kind of information for some reason.

The other reason they don't work is that they are not a lifetime choice. Can they help one person with the right metabolism to lose weight? Yes. Will that person keep it off? Most likely not. Unless they're committed to taking the supplement for life, they will still be eating and getting the same amount of exercise as they'd always done before taking the supplement.

fatfornow
01-13-2005, 03:22 PM
My doctor wants me to try phentramine... what's the word on that? I told him "no" because I want to do it right and keep it off forever, but he feels that for a month or two it is a very useful tool to give you a kick start. What do you think?

almostheaven
01-13-2005, 04:04 PM
Were they adamant about you taking it or felt it was ok for you to do it without it as long as you were really going to stick with it? If a doctor really thinks you should try something, they may have a very good reason for it.

fatfornow
01-14-2005, 04:00 PM
No, my doctor just offered it as a suggestion if I wanted it, mentioning that it has been helpful for other people, but he felt that I had a good attitude. I was just wondering if it really does help or if it is like everything else - it works while you are taking it.

ChickNextDoor
02-01-2005, 01:22 AM
10 pounds in 12 weeks is a healthy rate of weight loss easily obtained by following a reduced calorie diet and an exercise program.

AMEN!! My Mom buys into everything going and coming and it makes me crazy. I'm losing on good ole' calorie counting and exercise. I wish she would try this too. :( Weight loss drugs scare me to no end. The thought of damaging a part of my body to get healthy is just to overwhelming for me.

This article is really something to be in that magazine. Very interesting to say the least.

jillybean720
03-24-2005, 09:35 AM
I wasn't stressed when I started taking Cortislim. I wanted to try it to see if it worked. It didn't. My coworker is still taking it, and she hasn't lost anything. It just makes her sleep better at night. The ingredient I was referring to is called vanadyl sufate (5mcg of vanadium). That is what made me tired 1 hour after taking it. I wouldn't recommend this product as it is costly. Yoga, deep breathing exercise, walking and relaxing music are great for stress, but I am not under stress. So I guess won't believe the advertising of most pills. They don't really work, diet, exercise and good old laughter work best. :)

The whole premise of CortiSlim is that you take it if you are stressed. It controls the chemicals that our bodies release when under extreme or extended periods of stress--the same chemicals that tend to make us carry weight in the belly area and such. If you're not stressed, then no, it's not going to work for you. It's also not going to work forever, since once those stress chemicals have been balanced out by the CortiSlim, then it's back to diet and exercise for the weight loss. I had a friend who used it and lost weight at first, then couldn't understand why she stopped losing even though she was still taking the pills. Well, once you solve a problem (controling the chemical), you can't expect the same pill to continue helping you since you no longer have that problem!

I agree...no such thing as miracle cures. However, I have recently read studies that talk about how having extra fat actually makes you FATTER! Here's an email I got from a good friend (who is educated and works in the medical profession and even spent years working in a doctor's office who specialized in women and weight loss):

You know how people keep telling you that you eat for emotional reasons and that's why you're overweight? And then you argue that "NO, I eat because it tastes good", etc.?

Well, new research shows that fat is more of an organ than they thought...and an endocrine organ at that. That's why women who are
overweight tend to have more problems with their menstrual cycles.
ALSO...and here's why you'll appreciate this at least a little bit...they've
found that the fat you already carry, when in excess, actually stimulates
communication with the brain, telling the brain to eat more. The fat, as
opposed to the other organs and natural brain signals, may actually be
what's causing those who are already overweight to continue to overeat
and maintain and add to the quantity of fat?! Go figure...the fat makes
you fatter?! Damn stuff!! That's where they are really looking at
medications to help block those signals to the brain and let the body take back its own way of stimulating appetite and hunger instead of the signals getting through to the brain from the fat.

She has suggested that I talk to a doctor who specializes in weight loss (not just a dietician or nutritionist that pushes the food pyramid at you all day long) to see if perhaps there is a SAFE prescription drug out there that will control the messages sent by fat to the brain. Don't get me wrong, diet and exercise are still a necessity even if there is a drug (like I said, no miracle cures), but something that works with the chemistry of your body rather than an over-the-counter caffeine-filled appetite suppressant may be helpful in assisting some of us to lose the fat that is making us fatter! If anyone else knows anything about this or has any imformation or suggestions to offer, I would certainly be interested.

curlylocks
07-17-2005, 11:40 AM
i LIKE THE ONE A day weight smart vitamins..

jwade
08-09-2005, 05:40 PM
Does anyone have any information on physedge diet pills?

jwade
08-09-2005, 05:43 PM
I am thinking about starting the physedge diet pill program, does anyone have any advice to give on these pills?

Mel
08-09-2005, 09:49 PM
I just looked at their site. WOW! That stuff is expensive! For $379 you get a 3 month supply of 1) multi-vitamin, 2) a themogenic, 3) a "carb and fat blocker", and 4) a night-time fizzy drink that is supposed to make your body release HGH (human growth hormone). You can buy 3 month's supply of multi-vitamins and thermogenics far cheaper at GNC, Vitamin Shoppe, etc. There really isn't any such thing as an over-the-counter carb or fat blocker, and a drug that actually caused release of HGH would be by prescription and incredibly expensive. Did you read the beginning of this thread about the dangers and problems with using thermogenics? What the site doesn't mention is food or exercise. No matter what ingredients are in the two mystery pills, you still have to eat less and exercise more.

If you are still determined to used thermogenics, I'd suggest going to one of the above stores and buying a good multi-vitamin and any of the zillions of thermogenics on the market. Get a small bottle...you may not like the effects. Or you could take a good multi-vitamin and follow a reasonable eating and exercising plan like you'll probably find tucked in with the bottles of mystery pills :)

Mel

.LUCKYDAY.
08-10-2005, 10:34 AM
this is why they are not FDA approved. because then they would have to prove that they actually worked to do what they were claiming.

WeighToGo
08-13-2005, 09:48 PM
What seems so obvious to me is that when they find one of these things that works it will be Headline News 24/7. The company will not have to advertise. People will beat down their door to get it.

Juche
10-01-2005, 06:25 PM
http://www.obesity-news.com/inuse.htm

Nah, the idea that there are 'no' working weight loss drugs is pure fiction. There may be a shortage of safe, affordable weight loss drugs but even with that there are still some that are shown to work. As a society we are biased against weight loss drugs, considering them a form of cheating. However drugs to cope with mental illness are considered cheating by alot of people too. At the end of the day you have to make your own decision.

Juche
10-01-2005, 06:31 PM
What seems so obvious to me is that when they find one of these things that works it will be Headline News 24/7. The company will not have to advertise. People will beat down their door to get it.

Nah, I don't personally believe that. Take Tagamet (cimetidine), the acid reflux drug that is OTC. Some studies have shown that it promotes weight loss but they don't know the mechanism. Some feel it cholecystokinin (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9146753&dopt=Abstract) levels.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11208394&dopt=Citation

That study found 2x the weight loss with intermittent cimetidine usage.

http://pharminfo.8media.org/pubs/msb/cimetidine.html

That study found 5x the weight loss with constant cimetidine usage.

Generic Tagamet is only about $8/month at walmart but how many people do you know who know about these things?

almostheaven
10-01-2005, 06:47 PM
I personally don't believe that ANY weight loss drug can be considered truly effective unless it promotes weight loss for everyone who tries it. And even Tylenol doesn't work the same for everyone, so why would a weightloss drug? We're all different. So while some may actually notice weight loss from such drugs, others won't, and all the studies in the world won't change that for them. This is partly why they won't make headline news as well. Because for every person who says they lost weight on some new miracle cure, there is another who says they didn't. So it's word-against-word and still not proven enough for the media to run with it and proclaim it a complete success.

Juche
10-01-2005, 07:19 PM
I personally don't believe that ANY weight loss drug can be considered truly effective unless it promotes weight loss for everyone who tries it. And even Tylenol doesn't work the same for everyone, so why would a weightloss drug? We're all different. So while some may actually notice weight loss from such drugs, others won't, and all the studies in the world won't change that for them. This is partly why they won't make headline news as well. Because for every person who says they lost weight on some new miracle cure, there is another who says they didn't. So it's word-against-word and still not proven enough for the media to run with it and proclaim it a complete success.

There probably are no diet drugs that work equally for everyone, although I'm sure some diet drugs work for at least 90% of people who take them. But there are no drugs in general that work for everyone. You are right, we are all different.

From what I remember from pharmacology class when companies want to determine a 'recommended dosage' of a drug they do a test where they start off giving everyone low doses. Then they increase the dosages to try to find the sweet spot where you get good effects but low side effects for as many people as possible. However there are always people who get a major reaciton from a tiny dose and people who get no reaction unless they take mega doses. The recommended dose falls in between where the majority get good effects and low side effects. This is probably why aspirin comes in 325mg tablets and prozac is 20mg tablets, when they determined the dose that was the median area. But some people get major depression treatment on 5mg and some needed 80mg. And some didn't react at all but got good results on paxil or wellbutrin.

We'd have to throw out pharmacology in general if we wanted everyone to react to a drug. But the studies I listed were among 55-60 people but they showed reasonably uniform responses in placebo vs cimetidine.

Its probably not headline news because nobody knows about it.

jillybean720
10-03-2005, 07:15 AM
I personally don't believe that ANY weight loss drug can be considered truly effective unless it promotes weight loss for everyone who tries it. And even Tylenol doesn't work the same for everyone, so why would a weightloss drug? We're all different. So while some may actually notice weight loss from such drugs, others won't, and all the studies in the world won't change that for them. This is partly why they won't make headline news as well. Because for every person who says they lost weight on some new miracle cure, there is another who says they didn't. So it's word-against-word and still not proven enough for the media to run with it and proclaim it a complete success.

So by the same standards, do you consider Tylenol ineffective? Aspirin? NyQuil? Some people say NyQuil really helps their cold symptoms at night, but it doesn't help me much--I just use it because it helps me sleep when I'm sick (and in the hopes that maybe it really will aleviate some of the headache, stuffy nose, etc.). In general, we do consider most other types of drugs to be effective even if they don't work for 100% of the population, so why should it be different for diet drugs?

I'm really not trying to be a witch here, just playing a bit of devil's advocate and trying to understand :devil: I personally feel that there really are some diet pills that can help people get a bit of a jump start to their weight loss when used ALONG WITH a more sensible diet and perhaps some exercise. We all know there's no miracle drug--unfortunately, there is nothing that will allow me to eat my McDonald's and Wendy's and Burger King for 3 meals a day, 7 days a week and still lose weight (or at least not die from a heart attack!) :lol:

MrsJim
10-03-2005, 02:45 PM
Nah, the idea that there are 'no' working weight loss drugs is pure fiction. There may be a shortage of safe, affordable weight loss drugs but even with that there are still some that are shown to work. As a society we are biased against weight loss drugs, considering them a form of cheating. However drugs to cope with mental illness are considered cheating by alot of people too. At the end of the day you have to make your own decision.

But this thread is about weight loss supplements, not drugs. Two different things - the supplements that Suzanne was referring to in the initial post on this thread are the ones we've all seen advertised on infomercials, in fitness magazines and so on...supplements which are not regulated, which the FDA has little or no control over...

Juche
10-04-2005, 12:15 AM
But this thread is about weight loss supplements, not drugs. Two different things - the supplements that Suzanne was referring to in the initial post on this thread are the ones we've all seen advertised on infomercials, in fitness magazines and so on...supplements which are not regulated, which the FDA has little or no control over...

Yeah, ok. Supplements do stink, I'll agree. I think the only effective one is ephedra and it is too dangerous to be worth it.

Like someone else said, a working diet drug would be a godsend in part just because it would push all the charlatans out of the market. She made a reference to the fact that in the 80s there were tons of quack treatments for baldness, but once real treatments made it to market the quack treatments stopped existing. A working obesity drug that is well known, safe, affordable and easily attainable would get rid of the cortislim con artists who prey on desperate people to rob them of rent and grocery money.

MrsJim
10-04-2005, 12:35 AM
Like someone else said, a working diet drug would be a godsend in part just because it would push all the charlatans out of the market. She made a reference to the fact that in the 80s there were tons of quack treatments for baldness, but once real treatments made it to market the quack treatments stopped existing. A working obesity drug that is well known, safe, affordable and easily attainable would get rid of the cortislim con artists who prey on desperate people to rob them of rent and grocery money.

That was me, actually...and I stand by those words. So far, however, there doesn't seem to be a 'working' obesity drug or medical treatment that does what prospective users seem to want it to do - dispense with healthy lifestyle changes and allow people to lose weight without making those crucial changes (that includes WLS). Ah well - nothing worth having or achieving comes easy, does it?

Juche
10-04-2005, 01:15 AM
That was me, actually...and I stand by those words. So far, however, there doesn't seem to be a 'working' obesity drug or medical treatment that does what prospective users seem to want it to do - dispense with healthy lifestyle changes and allow people to lose weight without making those crucial changes (that includes WLS). Ah well - nothing worth having or achieving comes easy, does it?

Well, there are drugs that make diet and exercise more effective, and that improve long term prognosis. Right now long term prognosis seems to be the biggest problem. Virtually everyone who wants to lose weight has done so, but they just can't keep it off. Drugs that improve long term maintenance success rates from their current 1-5% rates to something like 40-50% would be a very welcome method of obesity treatment.

What I'd like to see is a drug that makes moderate lifestyle changes more effective. ie, a drug where all you have to do is eat healthier and exercise and you'll lose weight and keep it off without having to become overly anal about food, become hungry, deprive yourself or obsess over weight, food or exercise. I know some long term maintainers and they only maintain by becoming so intolerant of bodyfat that they are a chore to be around. They are hateful, angry and bitter because that is the only way they know to keep their motivation high enough to keep the weight off. A drug that just lets you eat a healthier diet and maintain the loss would be a godsend.

In the long run people are going to want a drug that lets them lose weight w/o healthier lifestyles. But I think right now most people would be happy with a drug that made reasonable lifestyle changes effective enough to result in permanent weight loss.

MrsJim
10-04-2005, 01:20 AM
What I'd like to see is a drug that makes moderate lifestyle changes more effective. ie, a drug where all you have to do is eat healthier and exercise and you'll lose weight and keep it off without having to become overly anal about food, become hungry or obsess over weight/food.

Unfortunately, for many people, 'eating healthier and exercising' equates to 'being overly anal about food/weight'. I've had the equivilant of that phrase thrown at me more than once, for things like passing up donuts or pizza at work :rolleyes: and because I go to the gym every morning. Personally I don't find my lifestyle changes either obsessive or restrictive - it's what I do - just like brushing my teeth and taking a shower.

I know some long term maintainers and they only maintain by becoming so intolerant of bodyfat that they are a chore to be around. They are hateful, angry and bitter because that is the only way they know to keep their motivation high enough to keep the weight off.

Apparently you haven't checked out our Maintainers Forum here at 3FC. :cool: Also, as someone who has maintained a healthy weight for some time now, I can assure you I'm not 'hateful, angry and/or bitter'. In fact, I've said many, many times that a positive attitude is essential to making lifestyle changes that result in successful long-term weight loss. It's been awhile for me, but I do remember quite clearly that when I was obese, I was definitely NOT a happy person - not only am I a much more positive person now, my self-esteem (through my personal accomplishments of losing and maintaining weight, among other accomplishments in my life) is through the roof - and that feeling is PRICELESS. :)

In the long run people are going to want a drug that lets them lose weight w/o healthier lifestyles.

Again - IMO it sounds as though you're giving the self-esteem factor (through personal accomplishment) short shrift here. And I don't see a weight-loss drug ever providing the health benefits of exercise - which is, as far as I know, the only way to strengthen the heart, lungs, muscles and limbs (while preventing debilitating diseases - including Alzheimer's, according to the latest news (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=1181067)). Also interesting to note that all the weight loss drugs currently on the market AND being researched do not, by themselves, enable weight loss as effective and as successful as diet and exercise - many of the drug studies define a 'significant amount of weight lost/maintained' as a mere five pounds.

Amarantha2
10-04-2005, 12:51 PM
I also disagree with the statement: "Virtually everyone who wants to lose weight has done so, but they just can't keep it off. ..." I hear this repeated over and over again online and in the media but I'd have to see a lot more data to prove it to my personal satisfaction. IMO, it's probably more or less true that almost everyone experiences some regain, but people who are dedicated to maintaining tend to take that in stride and consider it part of the ongoing process, in my opinion, and they take action to lose the regain or sometimes they stabilize at a slightly higher weight that is easier to maintain but is STILL not a regain back into obesity.

The only reason I harp on this point is that I believe it's somewhat discouraging to those who want to lose the weight but keep hearing that well it's futile ... but hey, maybe if I could afford these pills for the rest of my life ... :)

I'd just like everyone to know that in the absence of any specific medical condition that precludes it, there's no reason to feel that we can't take the weight off (no matter how long it takes) and keep it (more or less) off without weight loss medication.

aphil
10-04-2005, 12:55 PM
Well, there are drugs that make diet and exercise more effective, and that improve long term prognosis. Right now long term prognosis seems to be the biggest problem. Virtually everyone who wants to lose weight has done so, but they just can't keep it off. Drugs that improve long term maintenance success rates from their current 1-5% rates to something like 40-50% would be a very welcome method of obesity treatment.

I have been reading along for a while, and am finally voicing my opinions. :) The reason that people have the ability to lose weight, but not keep it off, has absolutely nothing to do with diet pills or supplements, or prescription medications that don't even exist yet. It is about lifestyle change-period. Everyone can go on a diet and lose some weight-but only those who make permanent lifestyle changes keep the weight off. It isn't about some futuristic prescription medication-it is about changing your eating habits for life, and regular exercise for LIFE.

Really, which would be more healthy-to change your lifestyle to a healthier one permanently, or have scientists come up with a drug for everyone to take for the rest of our lives-that our bodies have to metabolize forever?


What I'd like to see is a drug that makes moderate lifestyle changes more effective. ie, a drug where all you have to do is eat healthier and exercise and you'll lose weight and keep it off without having to become overly anal about food, become hungry, deprive yourself or obsess over weight, food or exercise.

Moderate lifestyle changes are already effective without some new prescription drug. If you eat healthier and exercise regularly then you will lose weight and keep it off. You don't have to obsess about food and exercise, be hungry all the time, or deprive yourself. The key is moderation. I don't think limiting chocolate to a small piece once a week instead of eating it every day and in a larger portion is depriving myself at all. I don't think exercising daily is obsessing-I fit it into my schedule just like taking a shower, or making an appointment for a haircut. You don't have to be hungry-You can eat low calorie and not be hungry-just choose higher volume foods such as 2 cups of strawberries instead of a slice of bread if you are having issues with hunger. (both around 90 calories) A lot of times this simple trick will keep hunger pangs away. I just don't feel there is a need for some new prescription drug when there are already perfectly natural solutions to these issues that are drug free.

I know some long term maintainers and they only maintain by becoming so intolerant of bodyfat that they are a chore to be around. They are hateful, angry and bitter because that is the only way they know to keep their motivation high enough to keep the weight off.

I suggest that you visit the maintainers section of the forum here at 3FC, because there are some wonderful, caring, and supportive women over there. My stepfather is also a former competing bodybuilder, and even though he no longer competes, he still eats healthy and exercises every day. He is one of the most loving and postive people I have ever known-and doesn't have a bitter or hateful bone in his body. It is an unfair assumption to say that all maintainers are bitter, angry, hateful, and are a chore to be around.

What I have noticed in my own weight loss experience though, is the thinner and more fit and healthy I get, the more rude and insensitive others who are still unfit and unhealthy around me get-because I believe that they are jealous of my successes-not because I am angry, hateful, and bitter. I have found that I have "outgrown" a lot of my fat friends, because I no longer have the desire to revolve my life around food and a sedentary lifestyle-and now associate more active and health minded individuals.



A drug that just lets you eat a healthier diet and maintain the loss would be a godsend. In the long run people are going to want a drug that lets them lose weight w/o healthier lifestyles. But I think right now most people would be happy with a drug that made reasonable lifestyle changes effective enough to result in permanent weight loss.

Permanent lifestyle changes are already enough to make reasonable lifestyle changes effective. The reason maintaining a weight loss is so rare, is because people rarely keep up these changes for life-but revert back to their old habits that made them overweight in the first place.

Yes, I agree with you that people in the long run are going to want a drug that lets them lose weight without practicing healthier lifestyles, but what about responsibility for ones self? I made myself fat by being sedentary and overeating, and it is my responsibility to fix that.
When I was a kid I wanted a lot of things, and I am sure glad that my parents didn't always give in. We don't always get what we want handed to us, it is good to have to work for it. It build character. ;)
Besides, even if tht miracle drug were invented, our bodies would still have to metabolize that drug every day, and there would be side effects.

I am 100% for actually preventing and curing health ailments rather than just treating them with drugs if at all possible. My MIL is a prime example of this-she has a bad back, and takes all the prescription medications for it instead of doing what it would take to CURE her back-which would be to lose weight to remove some of the strain on it, and to do the list of exercises given to her by her doctor and physical therapist to actually strengthen and rehabilitiate her abs/back/core to heal the condition. That's just too much work I guess, and taking the pills is easier. :lol: She complains about the pain, and takes the pills-but doesn't do anything to actually help the problem-she is only treating the symptoms.