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Wannabehealthy
05-01-2014, 06:45 AM
Welcome to the Diabetes May chat....


Wannabehealthy
05-01-2014, 06:46 AM
I finished the Michele May book and here is my opinion. It has a lot of good information. The thing I liked about it is that it told you how to avoid overeating. Don't eat mindlessly. Eat when you are hungry, stop when satisfied. One hint was after you fill your plate with the amount of food you think you need, eat half of it and then stop for a couple minutes and decide how you feel. Do you still need to eat the rest of it? One of my bad habits is that I put my dinner on a smaller plate so it looks like a bigger portion. But then I use that for an excuse to go back for seconds because I only ate a small portion. I know I do this, but it's hard to stop myself. Yesterday, I cooked extra chicken so I could have a piece leftover for today, but I ended up finishing it before the night was over.

The thing I didn't like about the book is it makes me think that I CAN eat carbs. It tells you to make 1/4 of your plate carbs and eat 45gm of carb at each meal. No matter how many times they tell me it's ok to do this, I know my BS will spike if I do it, but part of me wants to believe them. It would be fine if I wanted to continue to take the glimiperide, but I don't!

Yesterday after dinner I made some oatmeal cookies for DH. I thought about the story of the woman who wanted the 2 cookies, and I ate 2 of them. I normally don't like sweets, but they were really good. When I checked my BS it was 136, so I decided to do a 15 min walk on the treadmill to try to counteract the cookies. It worked, and at bedtime I was at 119. I wasn't hungry, but DH made an egg sandwich and asked me if I wanted some. I ate 1/4 of it, which amounted to 1/2 slice of regular white toast. This morning I was at 176. I just can't eat that bread. I know it. Why do I read something and then think I can eat it? I don't care what Michele May says. Even the Lord's Prayer says "give us this day, our daily bread." Sorry, I can't do it. Carol, get it through your thick head once and for all!

Rant over......

Rennie, my husband has absolutely not a hint of eating disorder, and he thinks the whole idea is rubbish. He gets very upset when he sees women eating in the car. He said "She's going to go home and tell her husband she's starving because she didn't eat anything all day." He's probably right in many cases but I try to explain to him that she could be someone with a very busy schedule that just didn't have time to fit a decent meal in. I didn't eat in the car because I used to drive a manual transmission for years, and you need both hands to do that. On top of that, I smoked. There's only so many things you can do at one time. But when I worked at this one job, there was a McDonald's on the way, and I stopped every morning for a breakfast sandwich to take to work. Sometimes, when they had BOGO or 2fer I would get 2 sandwiches. After I left that job I no longer passed a McDonald's going to work, but I didn't lose weight!! I guess I was making up those calories and fat somewhere.

Our thread was very busy yesterday. It was so good to see everyone here and chattering away!

Shannonsnail
05-01-2014, 08:06 AM
I can't believe it's May already!


love2b150
05-01-2014, 09:30 AM
Thanks Carol Sue for starting the new thread :) On the bread, it's just white bread. I can't handle it either so I just don't eat it other than the occasional biscuit and I can't handle those either. What is in bleached flour?????
I also drove a manual transmission for many years :), I also smoked while driving (burned the plastic on the front of my radio up :D) but I did many things while driving. I just learned how to do what I wanted. I lived in VA and worked in DC so I was on the road a long time everyday. Often times when you eat just to be eating you forget what you have eaten. or that you even ate depending on how long it has been. I still eat in the car but it's usually an Atkins bar on my way some where so that I don't eat what I have no business before I get there.

Shannon yep May has smiled upon us. :)

Well I did my A1c test this morning I will mail it this afternoon. According to the chart my A1c should be at least 6. something :crossed: which is way better than the 10.5 I had before. Todays fbs was down 2mg to 134 not great but not bad. I wonder if it's the strips (you all had me thinking this morning). Also my weigh in .... Ladies 159.8. I have never seen the 150's except in 92-93 when I was pregnant with my first.

Feeling good :carrot:

pattygirl63
05-01-2014, 11:12 AM
Rennie CONGRATULATIONS girl for being in the 150s and having brought your fbs down so. You are doing so great. I am so proud of you girl.:carrot: Now to just get my tail back on track and to stay there. It is strange how our bodies work isn't it. I can handle the eggs, but not the Atkins bars... just the opposite from you. That's why 1 way of eating doesn't not fit all. Oh yes, I wish I had known that I could have sent the bars to you, but I already promised to take them to my daughter when I go to see her. Sorry:(

Shannon Your's and Rennie's stories of the messy kids cooking in the kitchen brought back fond memories of when we used to have family gatherings at DH#2's grandmothers. That woman was a really good cook and I learned loads of great info from her because she had gone through the depression. DH used to say I could get more meals than anyone he ever saw out one chicken, but I had learned how from her. But any way that woman would cook and us granddaughter-in-laws would clean up the kitchen. We used to laugh joke about how that "woman must have dirtied every pan she owned" and our reward was to enjoy eating and then cleaning up..:D You are good at making memories with your daughter. She will really enjoy the Y camp and cooking and you will enjoy the "me time".

Carol Sue We sound so much a like. I saw you write about the Sara Lee bread and though... "If I'm going to count calories I could switch to that. My daddy eats that". I did fine yesterday. You know what I really have learned I need to just count carbs and do Atkins.

Yesterday I did pretty good, "to start with". I had the tacoless taco and was so proud of myself because I ate half and put the other half in fridge for after church. Got to church and Tony and the preacher were talking about how they try to stay away from sweets and how hard it was. I piped up and said "I don't crave the sweets" which is true, "my problem is I love chips... any kind of chips -- potato chips, corn chips nachos". I swear before I left someone had made and brought some different flavored chocolate balls candy etc. Now I never eat on Wednesday night because I don't want to get in the habit + that lady always make some kind of sweets for those who want it can eat it. Everyone was talking about how good they were. What did I do? This woman who never wants or craves something sweet went over there and I ate one. Now granted it was "just" one, but I left wondering "what was I thinking?" I had just in one candy ball abolished a day's good job of low carbing.

I had to go by the store and I decided to get beef jerky and some kind of turkey things. I actually am glad I did that though because I even stood in the check out and told DH that I was going to buy a whole bunch of them for our trip for snacks or meal replacement.

Well, here is what I learned last night. If I had been far enough along on low carbing, 1 candy ball would not have hurt me so that isn't a biggy except for timing. (Carol Sue an occasional slice of bread or whatever won't be a big deal when we get our fbs under control. We just know that we can't do it on a regular basis. But for now we need to focus more on what we are trying to accomplish.)

The big lesson is I WILL NOT be taking beef jerky or anything like that on my trip. I will be figuring out something else out between now and then. With the sugar of the candy ball & it really wasn't real big and the surgar that was obviously in both the jerky and turkey thing, it almost made me gag. If nothing else, I will rely on the Atkins shakes if I have too and by then I should be able to add nuts for snacks as well. Atkins book talks about a sugar-free jerky but I haven't seen it.

So saying all that, I've come to the conclusion that I must do low carb. My fbs was 150 this morning up from yesterdays 144. I have a A1c in a month and 4 days. I have just enough time to get back OP Atkins Induction. Since I need to do Atkins Induction for longer than 2 weeks and I know DH is going to derail me with eating out some, I will have to us Carbohydrate Addicts Diet for my back up on those days which means when I have to eat somewhere that does not make Atkins feasible I will have what CAD calls a Reward Meal. That way I know I will still be on plan. In fact when we go on our trip, CAD may be the way for me to go so that I will not ruin all my hard work with weight loss and lowering my fbs. Twelve years ago I lost 78 lbs doing CAD, so I know it is a safe back up for me. May end up doing that anyway eventually. But the weight loss on that is slow and Atkins is quicker and will get me the healthier #s faster and also keep me from having to take anything other than Metformin for bs.

Sorry this is so long. Guess I just need to put it out there so I can see it and hopefully make it real to me. Today is Day #1 back on AI. DH said something about going to the fish place today, but never pinned down on it before I went to bed. We need batteries for the 3D glasses so we can watch some movies and the ones he got were the wrong ones. I'm going to look on the Taco Bell website and see what they have that I can eat because they are in with Long John Silvers otherwise, I will be doing a CAD day today instead of Atkins.

Have a good day Chickies.

love2b150
05-01-2014, 04:36 PM
Thanks Trish and family comes first anyway. :hug: I hope she likes the bars, my kids like them :) I am just like you with the chips (I must stay away from them) one turns into a serving, serving into a half bag ... bag gone :( LOL I kick myself too when I eat perfectly all day and in the evening I eat something I clearly know I had no business eating (like you said timing is key). My son made fried chicken for dinner last night. I was a good girl, I ate my chicken before church so when I got home I just had water while they ate :) Check the sodium in your jerky also, I don't eat it but most packaged meats have a ton of sodium. On your post being long (which it wasn't it is fine) ... see what happens when you stay away ;) other than being missed :hug:

Shannonsnail
05-01-2014, 07:55 PM
Shannon Your's and Rennie's stories of the messy kids cooking in the kitchen brought back fond memories of when we used to have family gatherings at DH#2's grandmothers. That woman was a really good cook and I learned loads of great info from her because she had gone through the depression. DH used to say I could get more meals than anyone he ever saw out one chicken, but I had learned how from her. But any way that woman would cook and us granddaughter-in-laws would clean up the kitchen. We used to laugh joke about how that "woman must have dirtied every pan she owned" and our reward was to enjoy eating and then cleaning up..:D You are good at making memories with your daughter. She will really enjoy the Y camp and cooking and you will enjoy the "me time".
I like making memories in the kitchen but my Type A personality always ends up irritated, lol! The hubby has a training class for 2 weeks straight in June out of state. Thank God the cooking camp falls on the second week he will be gone. I will be fried after the first week. I love love love my daughter but she is super clingy and doesn't ever want to play alone so it is exhausting spending an entire day with her, esp at 40 and overweight. Even when he's done with work the hubby barely spends any time with her so it's all me, all the time. Preschool two mornings a week this year has been such a lifesaver for me. It ends in 3 weeks for summer and I am scared, lol.


Sorry this is so long. Guess I just need to put it out there so I can see it and hopefully make it real to me. Today is Day #1 back on AI. DH said something about going to the fish place today, but never pinned down on it before I went to bed. We need batteries for the 3D glasses so we can watch some movies and the ones he got were the wrong ones. I'm going to look on the Taco Bell website and see what they have that I can eat because they are in with Long John Silvers otherwise, I will be doing a CAD day today instead of Atkins.

Have a good day Chickies.
Good luck with AI! We really love hearing from you Trish! Please post more :hug:

Shannonsnail
05-01-2014, 08:02 PM
Thanks Trish and family comes first anyway. :hug: I hope she likes the bars, my kids like them :) I am just like you with the chips (I must stay away from them) one turns into a serving, serving into a half bag ... bag gone :( LOL I kick myself too when I eat perfectly all day and in the evening I eat something I clearly know I had no business eating (like you said timing is key). My son made fried chicken for dinner last night. I was a good girl, I ate my chicken before church so when I got home I just had water while they ate :) Check the sodium in your jerky also, I don't eat it but most packaged meats have a ton of sodium. On your post being long (which it wasn't it is fine) ... see what happens when you stay away ;) other than being missed :hug:

Before I started this new way of eating it was very common for me to eat an entire bag of chips, crackers, etc. in the evening. My daughter would often ask for something at lunch the next day only to be told they were gone since the previous lunch. It was awful and embarrassing. It's hard to believe I haven't eaten more than couple tortilla chips in the past month. No cheese crackers (like cheez-its), no potato chips, no vanilla cream wafers, no ritz crackers.....amazing. The stuff is still in my house. I buy it at the store for my hubby. But I don't eat it. So amazing. Don't get me wrong, I do sometimes want it and sometimes think how easy it would be to grab it on the way out the door or at night when I'm feeling bored. I just know now that it's not worth it. Losing this much weight by cutting out those things has made it crystal clear what they do to me and I am no longer interested in "being friends" with such ill-intentioned items.

silentarctic
05-01-2014, 08:19 PM
Carol Sue - Does Whole Grain bread make you spike like that? I was fantasicing someone last night about olive garden breadsticks that I probably should never touch with a ten foot pole...

Renni - Congrats on the weight loss!

patty hope the carbohyrdates addicts diet is your ticket :-D

Kinda tired, got home late from working out and waiting for chicken to bake in the oven so I can make supper. I don't even know if my workout counted, I couldn't push myself to get my heart rate about 135.. i feel as if I'm kinda pathetic for that. Ah well...:-|

Shannonsnail
05-01-2014, 08:26 PM
Yesterday, I cooked extra chicken so I could have a piece leftover for today, but I ended up finishing it before the night was over.

I used to hate the leftovers from dinner. I put them in little containers and on trash day retrieved them and threw the contents out. Hubby won't eat leftovers and I didn't either. Now I get excited when there are leftovers from dinner...that's lunch tomorrow or the next day!! :D I used to read about people who ate leftovers for lunch and thought 'yuck'. LOL! When we don't have leftovers at dinner now I always feel a little sad.

The thing I didn't like about the book is it makes me think that I CAN eat carbs. It tells you to make 1/4 of your plate carbs and eat 45gm of carb at each meal. No matter how many times they tell me it's ok to do this, I know my BS will spike if I do it, but part of me wants to believe them. It would be fine if I wanted to continue to take the glimiperide, but I don't!

Until now I've never really bought into low carb. I even worked for 8 years at a company specializing in cardiovascular and diabetes research where my boss was the scientist who founded the company. I watched him eat low carb every day and talk about what the studies were showing regarding low carb and I still didn't really buy it enough to try it. When I met my hubby he was low carbing. He lost 75 lbs while we were friends. We got married and I told him his way of eating was not healthy. He stopped and has since gained 120 lbs. To say I was a well informed skeptic is putting it mildly, lol. But now I see what the carbs were doing to me. That being said plenty of folks can follow calorie in calorie out ideals and even low fat high carb and lose weight. But my guess is genetically they handle carbs really well and have no insulin resistance. That is not me.

Shannonsnail
05-01-2014, 08:36 PM
Oh what a day! I volunteered in the office at preschool today but got done early so I had some time to run a few errands and treat myself to lunch out alone. I went to Panera and got their Cobb Salad with Avocado. A few hours after that I felt a little off so I checked my BS but it was 104 so no idea. This afternoon we headed to Aldi to restock groceries. I am tired and probably going to bed early but I must shower first! I did weigh today and the scale is going down - yay! I think the pause is over for this week, thankfully! I think I'd like to reach my next mini goal of a 10% loss over the next couple weeks. It is now May and I have so many big days. Our 7th anniversary is next Tues and I made reservations at a fancy steakhouse we go to most years on our anniv. I will eat whatever I want that night! They have really good sweet potatoes, not sure I can turn that down. Next Thursday is Muffins for Mom day at preschool and I know my daughter will not really understand if I don't eat a muffin with her. Then there is Mother's Day and my 41st bday and then at the end of the month there is vacation. It's going to be a tough month for weight loss.

TheSecondHalf
05-01-2014, 09:11 PM
Hi! I'm new here and newly diagnosed. I hope I can join you all.

Right now I'm just a little disappointed in myself for walking into this. It's not like I thought I could be 41, way over weight, and sedentary and there would be no consequences ;-)

Shannonsnail
05-01-2014, 09:36 PM
Hi! I'm new here and newly diagnosed. I hope I can join you all.

Right now I'm just a little disappointed in myself for walking into this. It's not like I thought I could be 41, way over weight, and sedentary and there would be no consequences ;-)
Welcome! So glad you are joining us! I was aware I was prediabetic for 7 years before I took any personal ownership of it.....don't be so hard on yourself!

love2b150
05-01-2014, 09:45 PM
Shannon I know what you mean on clingy. Two of ours are like that, one is easing up he's 15 but he still comes to check to see if I'm still in the house or something, idk :shrug: and the other of course is my baby. She will go to sleep on the couch because she wants to near me. I tell her, Mommy will be here when you wake up, I promise (since I wake her up she knows that) :D. When my now 15 year old was little I called him my hip baby I did everything with him on my hip because if I put him down or left him he would scream. It would drive me nuts. The youngest is all my doing. Having her at 38 it is what it is :) On the snacks. I don't care for cheese crackers so they can be here forever (they have always made my mouth dry) now if Nabisco still made tidbits in the red box oh my, I would binge for sure. Crackers I had turned to the premium unsalted rounds and when I first started eating them I would eat the serving and be done. Then one day I ate a half of a box. I thought you have got to be kidding me. I stopped buying Ritz because of that now I can't eat those :dizzy: Sour cream and onion chips Utz brand are my poison. I will eat those things until I am sick. So of course I don't buy them anymore. Shannon that's a wonderful all around NSV to be able to say NO to those ill-intentioned items. You have certainly got one up on me there my friend. Consider all of those dates as cheat days and since you like those things I would actually take the time to log the food and record what it does and how your body reacts, something to do at the end of the day :) Just a thought :)

Thanks silentartic :), Olive Garden anything gives me a spike. Did you know there house salad is like 300+ calories? I eat it anyway and call it my cheat day :) On the subject of your heart rate - tired is tired, your body spoke and you listened. You'll have a better workout tomorrow, get some rest :hug:

TheSecondHalf :welcome: to the thread. Don't be disappointed. I knew that I was borderline and did nothing to prevent it so here I am. Lots of information here from great people :)

JLUS
05-01-2014, 10:45 PM
olive Garden Salad

Not only 350 calories... BUT ALSO 25 g of fat and... 22 carbs and....1930 grams of sodium!!!!!!

pattygirl63
05-01-2014, 11:12 PM
TheSecondHalf :welcome3: Glad you decided to join us.

silentarctic I'm not doing CAD except on days when I have to eat in a place where I have no other choice. My main diet/way of eating is low carb. My goal is to eat no more than 40 carbs most days.

I'm checking in tonight before I head to bed because my neighbor is an earlier riser and she is coming over at 8 am for coffee before I head to the beauty shop. I changed my appt to Friday this week. Thinking about Friday my regular appt day.

I am actually eating low carb not Atkins Induction. I went on MFP and changed the ratio of protein, fats and carbs as best that I could. I'm not doing AI because I'm eating 1/8 c beans a day which makes my carb count above 20 g. I ended up with less than 40 g which I believe is actually good giving me a little fiber. I even kept my sodium under 2300 g which I hope isn't too low because that means leg cramps. And my calories were less than 1600 which MFP allows me 1660. Got plenty of exercise too. So I had a very good OP day.

I am going to the grocery store after beauty shop. I will check back when I get home.

Wannabehealthy
05-02-2014, 08:10 AM
We ended up eating dinner (tacos, LOL) at 3PM since I hadn't had lunch, and then I wasn't hungry the rest of the night. When I went to bed my BS was 126 and when I got up this morning it was 124. Barely moved. I wonder if early dinner and nothing else before bed was the reason. I'm going to have to try that again and see what happens. I didn't get hungry at all in the evening. I also wonder what my BS did during the night. Did it just stay even, or did it go up, or down and then just happen to end up the same. I'm obsessed with my BS. My weight is down 1/2 lb.

Artic, I never checked to see if whole grain bread spikes my BS. I keep multi grain bread in the freezer but I rarely eat it. Most of the time when I have bread it's when DH is eating something and shares with me, and he always eats white bread. A lot of bread labeled as wheat bread is not really whole grain. Bread is very dangerous for me, even whole grain. One slice usually leads to a bread binge. If I DO eat it, I have to be very conscious of what I'm doing and fight to stop at one serving, so I'm better off not to eat it at all.

I don't think a high intensity workout is necessary for blood sugar control. It IS for weight loss, but IMO movement is better than no movement. Just keep moving every day. Intensity and endurance will follow eventually.

SecondHalf, WELCOME to the chat! I'm glad to see you. I was the same as you, shocked that my high weight gain brought on diabetes. Not everyone who is overweight gets diabetes. Shannon told us about her husband who had perfect lab results in spite of the fact that he's overweight. Don't dwell on what got you here, that's in the past. Now you are doing something about it and that's what's important.

Laurie - Thanks for the info about Olive Garden salad. We don't go there because they focus so much on pasta and bread sticks, neither of which I need, but that must really be some salad! What is in it that makes it so bad? To me, a salad is a mixture of green leafy vegetables. I'm glad to see you're reading. Stick around. It sounds as thought you could give us a lot of information we could use.

Trish, I think you can count calories AND be low carb. I did it while on WW and I lost. I want to get back to tracking on Fitday just to see where I stand. I just go according to my BS, weight and how I feel, but don't really know how many calories, carbs, protein or fat I'm taking in.

Shannon, there are a lot of people who will argue that low carb is unhealthy, but it is LOW carb, not NO carb. We do eat carbs, they are just low glycemic carbs. It's true that carbs provide energy, but I don't think they have to be starchy carbs and definately not at the quantity that the American diet supplies. Protein also turns to glucose eventually, it just takes longer, which is what we need as diabetics. Back when, there were diets that were high protein and fat and not much else. They gave low carb a bad name, I think.

Rennie, you have come such a long way since you started posting here. I remember thinking our weight and blood sugar was about the same. There is no way that you haven't greatly improved your A1c.

You are into the next decade! Woot! Woot!

Shannonsnail
05-02-2014, 08:34 AM
Good morning lovelies! It's probably a fluke but my daughter slept 11 continuous hours in her bed last night. This has only happened a few times since birth. I feel like celebrating! Of course it happened on a night I tried to go to bed early but had trouble falling asleep (even with melatonin). I thought my tea at lunch was decaf but I'm thinking now that it wasn't. Also I got some horrible news late last night about friends at my old company being laid off. Anyway, the daughter sleeping calls for party hats! :celebrate:

I'm making scrambled eggs this morning. I'm starting to worry about whether I'm getting too much BPA exposure with the eggs in baggies. I wasn't worried before but now I eat them that way 6-7x/week rather than once or twice a week.

Hoping to hit up the library today since storytime has started back up!

Shannonsnail
05-02-2014, 08:47 AM
SecondHalf, WELCOME to the chat! I'm glad to see you. I was the same as you, shocked that my high weight gain brought on diabetes. Not everyone who is overweight gets diabetes. Shannon told us about her husband who had perfect lab results in spite of the fact that he's overweight.

Yep, weight seems to actually be a symptom of insulin resistance, not causative, from what I read. Hubby has been overweight since age 5 or 6, lost weight in high school through college and then overweight since. He did lose down from 375 to 300 (he is 6'4") before we married but he is now (7 yrs later) 420. He has had perfect glucose, A1c and lipids the entire time. He was exercising when we met but has been sedentary for the last 5 yrs.

silentarctic
05-02-2014, 09:49 AM
wannabe - Okay, I just guess, I was told to do 150 minutes moderate intensity activity mimum by my health care team, which makes me feel like everything else I'm doing isn't good enough. As for your BS's Even though its not prescriped I kind of want to get a glucose meter BUT I'm petrified of lancing my fingertip I know thats silly but true it freaks me the heck out I don't know why. Hope you are doing well.

Shannon - Glad your daughted had a good night.

I am sleepy today. Went to a friends and :-\ was bad, had a glass of wine and even a cookie last night. This is ridiculous, I know better but I still do stupid things. :-|

pattygirl63
05-02-2014, 09:57 AM
No coffee visit with neighbor this morning. She wanted sit on the front porch and visit and it will have to be high than 53 degrees for me to sit on the porch in the morning and do anything. :dizzy:

My ticker is right own this morning and my fbs was back down to 125. So I evidently have the calories and carbs ration where it needs to be. I've decided to think about this differently with a new attitude. I know that if I want normal bs that I have to eat low carb so I have to change my focus from what I cannot and may never be able to have again to what I can have that I really, really like that possibly I couldn't have on a regular lowfat/low calorie diet.

My new favorite breakfast has become 2 eggs, 2 sl bacon, 1 sl American cheese and 1/2 avocado. Once cooked, I mix them together in a bowl and eat it and drink my coffee. On lf/low cal, you usually cannot have the regular bacon, cheese or avocado because of the fat and high calories. So I think of it as a real treat of low carbing. Plus the benefits of an avocado and eggs are tremendous.

Carol Sue When reading the New Atkins Diet Made Easy, they say the same thing about most people think that Atkins/low carbing is high protein/high fat, but she says it was never meant to be a plan where you ate all the meat and fat that you want. In this book, she clarifies things better. Women should have between 4 to 6 oz of meat at a meal depending on how big she is. Average men are to eat 6 oz while a man 6 foot tall or taller may need 8 oz. She goes on to say that if you eat too much protein and or too much fat that you will not lose weight and you may even gain weight. She also stresses the fact that we are to eat at least 12 or 15 g of daily carbs are to be good low glycemic veggies. I was so glad to read that because I also thought you had to eat a lot of protein and fat and I couldn't do it because it actually made me gag. Now she says that you do need to eat healthy fats and while you do not have to cut the fat off of the meats you eat, you sure can if you want to. I had someone tell me recently "You know low carb is really bad for diabetes". I said, "Really? Then why is it that when I eat low carb that my blood sugar becomes normal and when I eat carbs it goes up?" She said, "Oh, well that is just what I heard".

This is why we who are working to control our blood sugar needs to know why we do what we do. I know from what I've read that Diabetes can be reversed. And I know other people do it other ways. I just know that their way does not work for me and this does. And as my doctor would say "the numbers don't lie".

I talked to my sister Monday and she had just come back from WI in WW and she had gained one lb. They were waiting to get news of her DH biopsy and she had emotional eaten and she knew it. She said she was actually thankful her weight wasn't higher. She weighs more than me poor thing and had lap band surgery a few years back and can only snack and doesn't lose weight very well. We talked about stress eating and I told her "I think we need to just calm down and do whatever way we are using to diet and enjoy it and not worry about losing weight in a hurry". I honestly believe we sometimes get stressed out about our weight and we get into a circle of emotional eating because we set goals too high.

So I've got the plan that works for me and I'm not going to worry about how fast or slow I lose. I'm just going to focus on what I can do and enjoy the journey. Not going to worry about what I can or cannot eat on the trip in June. There are ways to make this work. I know 4 little ladies at church who are sisters in their late 80s and early 90s. The eat at Wendy's once a day for lunch. They live together and have 2 refrigerators and each has her own side of the fridge with their own food. No one bothers the other. One is diabetic and low carbs Dr. Bernstien's diet. She shared with me one day what she eats. She eats a boiled egg for breakfast which she buys at the grocery store, eats la salad at lunch at Wendy's, has 1 frankfurter at another mealtime or snack. She drinks Hoods chocolate low carb/low cal milk. I think she is one of the ones in her 90s and she gets around really good. So I figure if she can do that daily then I can use her idea to make this work on my trip because if nothing else I can get hard boiled eggs (not my favorite but in a pinch) on my trip.

Got to get running. I've become chatty this morning.

Have a good one Chickies. You are all great.

love2b150
05-02-2014, 11:16 AM
Laurie yeah I was so shocked to see that ... I should have known something that taste that good couldn't be good for you. And I honestly eat almost all of it and ask for more each time we go because only my daughter and I eat it. My husband and the boys won't touch it. Thank goodness we don't go but maybe twice a year if that :D

ONE NEEDS TO KEEP WATCH ON THIS THREAD - IT'S A NOVEL MORE DAYS :dizzy:

Trish it's crazy that MFP won't allow you to adjust the nutrition fully the way you want. I'm glad you are in tuned with everything. You'll have the right balance for sure :)

Thanks Carol Sue :) Good job on the half pound down :high: It's mainly the dressing that is so high calorie for Olive Garden.

it is LOW carb, not NO carb. We do eat carbs, they are just low glycemic carbs. It's true that carbs provide energy, but I don't think they have to be starchy carbs and definitely not at the quantity that the American diet supplies. Protein also turns to glucose eventually, it just takes longer, which is what we need as diabetics. <-- well said

love2b150
05-02-2014, 11:37 AM
I hit post before I was finished ...

Shannon :yay: on your daughter sleeping 11 hours. She must have been exhausted. Great day in pre-school :) Sorry about the lay off of your friends. I hope they get some type of severance pay. What is BPA?

silentartic, 150 minutes a week? Welcome to that part of the journey "stupid things" I sure do enough of them. Don't beat yourself up. Even though I do too ... I try to make them learning experiences. I think you did great, one cookie, ha I would've had a few :D

Trish it was chilly this morning here also 55, yesterday was pretty warm and the day before was hot at 6:10am (that's the time that I leave out for the bus stop each morning). I like your breakfast minus the avocado (I have only tasted it once and didn't care for the flavor)

I had someone tell me recently "You know low carb is really bad for diabetes". I said, "Really? Then why is it that when I eat low carb that my blood sugar becomes normal and when I eat carbs it goes up?" She said, "Oh, well that is just what I heard". Good for you Trish :high:

I just know that their way does not work for me you are on a roll today my Sister :)

My fbs was down to 130 but I opened a new vial of strips (not sure if I should have done that or not) but I think it's crazy that no matter what I eat my fbs is 134-136 ... so we shall see. I have them separated and I will even use a different finger because this is crazy to me.

Shannonsnail
05-02-2014, 11:52 AM
Thought you all would enjoy reading this
http://authoritynutrition.com/5-contenders-for-the-worst-diet-advice-ever/

Restless
05-02-2014, 12:01 PM
I was diagnosed with Type II in 1999. Ive had "total" control such as it were since then. My A1c has always been less than 6...never higher than 7. The last couple years Ive developed some hellatious issues with my breathing and fibro, Chronic pain exacerbations beyond belief. My A1c in Dec was 7.2 and I KNEW....I knew I had to change things.

Today is my Official Day One to get this (ME) in shape and start caring again. Ive discovered over the last few months that adding a sip or two of ACV to my day (usually supper time) keeps my fasting blood sugar faithfully below 100. Thank GOD for Killer, my service cat because she alerts me and wakes me up at night if my Blood sugar gets too low or if Im not getting enough O2. Ive actually had my blood sugars drop into the low 40s...one time when she woke me up and I tested, my BS was 38. YIKES!!!! I just backed off the ACV and make sure to have a bite of something before bed. My mid day readings are the ones I have to do some serious work on.

I joined here this last week sometime and have spent a lot of time reading. Im just determined on a whole other level now. I seriously have trouble breathing just walking 500 feet. As Ive mentioned elsewhere...Im full of titanium joints, pins, plates and screws so the best and almost only exercise I can get is walking and with breathing being bad right now even that's hard.

BUT I WILL DO THIS.

Thanks for letting me be a part of this community.This is Killer:

Shannonsnail
05-02-2014, 12:13 PM
I was diagnosed with Type II in 1999. Ive had "total" control such as it were since then. My A1c has always been less than 6...never higher than 7. The last couple years Ive developed some hellatious issues with my breathing and fibro, Chronic pain exacerbations beyond belief. My A1c in Dec was 7.2 and I KNEW....I knew I had to change things.

Today is my Official Day One to get this (ME) in shape and start caring again. Ive discovered over the last few months that adding a sip or two of ACV to my day (usually supper time) keeps my fasting blood sugar faithfully below 100. Thank GOD for Killer, my service cat because she alerts me and wakes me up at night if my Blood sugar gets too low or if Im not getting enough O2. Ive actually had my blood sugars drop into the low 40s...one time when she woke me up and I tested, my BS was 38. YIKES!!!! I just backed off the ACV and make sure to have a bite of something before bed. My mid day readings are the ones I have to do some serious work on.

I joined here this last week sometime and have spent a lot of time reading. Im just determined on a whole other level now. I seriously have trouble breathing just walking 500 feet. As Ive mentioned elsewhere...Im full of titanium joints, pins, plates and screws so the best and almost only exercise I can get is walking and with breathing being bad right now even that's hard.

BUT I WILL DO THIS.

Thanks for letting me be a part of this community.This is Killer:

Welcome Restless! Killer is a cutie! We look forward to hearing about your progress and getting to know you!

love2b150
05-02-2014, 12:14 PM
Restless :welcome: to the thread :) Hooray for Killer :high: I use to drink ACV in the evening and here lately I forget. Thanks for the reminder :) All I do is walk so any walking that you can do is great in my opinion and it's a start. Great A1c's also :)

Wannabehealthy
05-03-2014, 07:22 AM
I'm thinking we are becoming the team to beat! I'm loving all the newbys.

Welcome Restless. Thank you for bringing Killer to our forum. Love him! We are just a friendly group who are working to control our weight and diabetes by comparing notes between ourselves. We will help you!

Shannon, Good article! It reminds me of a woman we know who eats the Dean Ornish diet, which is extremely low fat, vegetarian. She has had 5 heart attacks! I keep wanting to tell her to get off that diet, but her doctors told her to follow it.

Artic, You seem to be very down on yourself. We will change that! :) I too was told at Cardiac Rehab that for health you need 150 min per week of moderate intensity, and to lose weight you need 300 min per week. I think your health team told you this for a goal. If you start out slow but steady, eventually you will work yourself up to what they are suggesting. If you try to jump in with both feet you might get discouraged. If you are constantly thinking that what you are doing is not enough, you will give up. Instead, think that what you did today was better than what you did yesterday. I walk on my treadmill while watching TV and sometimes I get so engrossed in the show that it's over before I realize how long I walked. One of the reasons I don't like to go to a gym is I have had strangers tell me that I need to increase my intensity. I just nod and smile, but I would like to tell them "You don't know anything about me. You don't know my medical conditions or my limitations." I think a stroll down the block is using more energy than sitting my my recliner pushing buttons on the remote.

Rennie, my step-daughter talked about guacamole so much I had to try it, and I liked it. But to make it just for myself, it goes bad before I can eat it all. I will buy 1 avacado once in a while but I can't eat them fast enough to keep them in the house. DH won't go near them. LOL

Trish, I definately cut the obvious fat off my meat. I can't even eat crispy chicken skin anymore. So I have cut back on fat, but it seems that when I enter my food into Fitday I end up with more fat than I thought. It's hidden in a lot of foods. Also, because of all the eggs I eat, a lot of fat comes from the yolks. I only concern myself with sat fat, and Fitday breaks it down.

I eat way more vegetables than is recommended in any formal low carb diet, but how can vegetables be bad? They are very low calorie, low fat except for what you add in cooking, high in fiber, very high in nutrition. Cooked vegetables are only 1/2 cup per serving, and when I eat wilted Kale I probably eat 2 cups cooked at one time. 1/2 C would be one bite! :D So I can't follow a formal diet. I have to do my own thing. Eat as nutritiously ad I can, and go by the way I feel. If I fill myself up with vegetables, what harm did I do? What am I missing here? If filling up with vegetables helps me stay away from other less nutritious foods, I can't be wrong. Right? So I don't understand any diet that limits vegetables. Even those like peas, carrots, corn, limas or other beans. Joel Fuhrman says the fiber and nutritional value outweights the higher carb count. And I only eat them when I eat mixed vegetables, like in soup.

I think I gave away my CAD book because I just couldn't do that one, but I am going to get out my Atkins books and see what their reasoning is. I understand that they are all about weight loss, but I am also trying to get as much nutrition into my body as I can. If that slows my weight loss, so be it.

I am in NO WAY criticizing your choices. I am just trying to understand their reasoning.

It's the same way with milk. When I was first diagnosed, they had me drinking 3 cups of skim milk per day. I loved it, and I felt that it helped me satisfy my hunger and lose weight. Now everyone is saying people should never drink cows milk. LOL If I drink it now, I feel ashamed, as if I smoked a cigarette. A cup of milk can stave off my hunger for a long time.

Wannabehealthy
05-03-2014, 08:00 AM
I just looked online for Olive Garden salad. Most sites said that it was anywhere from 110 to 150 calories, depending on if it included croutons or dressing. The only site that said it was 300 cals was SparksPeople. I can understand 300 or more if it contained things like meat and cheese or eggs, but not a vegetable salad. Dressing can really raise the calorie count depending on which dressing you choose and how you use it. I have been told to dip the fork in the dressing and then into the salad, to get a small taste of the dressing with each bite of salad. I do that sometimes, but not always. But if you are going to eat one of the entrees at Olive Garden, the salad should be the least of your worries.

kris2008
05-03-2014, 10:05 AM
Congrats Rennie - into the 150's!

2ndHalf - We all get disappointed in ourselves. We just have to be determined to do something about it. Forward!

Restless - ACV - I didn't know about that. I try to stay away from vinegar though because it inflames my rosacea but a teaspoon might be okay. I'll try it.

Shannon - I used to eat whole bags of chips etc also. I live alone now but when my son was still at home that was really embarrassing. Have not done that in 2 months, been on the low carb train, UNTIL LAST NIGHT! Ate almost a whole pizza! I was craving it all day. Plus I was tired from lack of sleep all week and that pizza just called my name all day long. You know how you think you deserve a reward after a long week??

Well FBS was 204 this morning! The highest it has ever been ever! What a shock! I started drinking water, ate some nuts and cheese and got on the treadmill and now it is 188. My A1C has always been very high 6's, not into the 7's. So it's like I'm really realizing for the first time that I have a major problem with carbs, not just borderline anymore. I cannot play with this again.

Shannon again - I agree about the BPA even though your eggs procedure sounds so efficient.

love2b150
05-03-2014, 11:18 AM
Carol Sue that's scary, the heart attacks, her not changing her plan because a doctor told her to it. My grandmother was that way she only believed what the doctor this one doctor told her and when he passed we had to fight with her to go to a new doctor and it was a mess. She wouldn't listen to anyone and she passed only believing what the former doctor had told her. My Mom was kind of the same way until they told her something (I forget actually what) and I told her that's it find a new doctor now. They are making you ill and each time you go they find something new. She went to a new dr and they took her off most of that medicine. My Mom is tiny she weigh about 105.

If you start out slow but steady, eventually you will work yourself up to what they are suggesting. If you try to jump in with both feet you might get discouraged. If you are constantly thinking that what you are doing is not enough, you will give up. Instead, think that what you did today was better than what you did yesterday. <--- love it :)

You don't know anything about me. You don't know my medical conditions or my limitations." <-- I would tell them this, I guarantee they'd never say it to anyone else again, because you made them think, which they obviously weren't doing :hug:

I read some where recently that we should get up every couple of hours and move. I didn't know that. Says it's better for the heart than sitting for hours at a time.

I ate it at a restaurant so I don't know anything about it. Do you have to cook it? or do you just peel it and eat it? I've also been interested in egg plant but I have never had it.

on sat fat ... I keep hearing about how good coconut oil is for you. Then I read a thread that said look at the saturated fat? I thought ok I have a jar of this stuff and it's not cheap. Also on margarine (Promise) vs butter ... my goodness what can we eat? :dizzy: That is so true about Kale or any cooked green for that matter. A bag of baby spinach says three cups is a serving, but cooked you do good to have a cup and a half :) IMO filling up on veggies nope you can't go wrong :) I don't drink as much milk as I use to and I have now even taken to drinking plain low fat soy milk. But I would have a cup of milk if I wanted :) Olive Gardens salad always has the dressing in it with the croutons. You're right without it it's low calorie. But no one that I know dislikes their house salad so voila there's your high calories on that big plate :) I never thought to dip my salad into the dressing, that's a great idea :)

Thanks Kris :) I blew it some how ... I'm back into the 160's today ;) ***light bulb went off thank you*** I complained on another thread about being bloated yesterday and the night before, it was the ACV. I love this thread, thanks :)

Ok as I said above I was bloated yesterday and the night before and could not figure out what on earth was going on. I thought TOM was coming again
:( I had not have the ACV in a while because I just forgot/stopped idk. So that had to be it but I'm still a little bloated today also. So with that said scale is up 2lbs to 161.6, rings aren't tight but not spinning like usual either and I am a little uncomfortable in the tummy area :)

Shannonsnail
05-03-2014, 11:39 AM
Good morning everyone!

I've got to start working on meal planning for the week. I'm horrible at it, hate planning ahead when it comes to food - I am more of a free spirit when it comes to dinner - but it has just become so stressful to me lately. 4 pm comes around and I am scrambling. Now that I utilize boxed products so much less I really cannot wait til the last minute to throw something together. So, I am going to work on that some today while my hubby has my daughter out picking up a birthday gift for her friend's party tonight.

I also am still going to bed too late. I am so tired every morning. I'm not a morning person so that doesn't help but really I just stay up too late. I like my extra time after my daughter goes to bed and I can finally think but it's becoming a real problem for me. Every morning I swear I'm going to go to bed earlier that night and finally change, lol! And every night I push the clock, oh just a few more minutes! I'm on my iPad too much at night too, surfing the web (and 3FC). That is definitely not helping. The hubby watches movies and stuff at night. Sometimes we watch a show together but mostly he plays video games and watches TV while I clean the kitchen or bake or just sit around looking at my iPad. What an exciting life, huh?

Today I woke up and was not as hungry as usual so I didn't have my eggs. What I did have was perfectly fine in terms of being "filling" but now, I'm feeling hungry like I wish I'd had my eggs. Weird! I guess I'll have a big lunch! My weight today was great, I am very close to hitting the 20 lb mark!

This birthday party tonight is at dinnertime but I just looked at the place online and it looks like the food will be pizza, soda and cake. Yep.

Shannonsnail
05-03-2014, 11:44 AM
I'm back into the 160's today ;) ***light bulb went off thank you*** I complained on another thread about being bloated yesterday and the night before, it was the ACV. I love this thread, thanks :)

Ok as I said above I was bloated yesterday and the night before and could not figure out what on earth was going on. I thought TOM was coming again
:( I had not have the ACV in a while because I just forgot/stopped idk. So that had to be it but I'm still a little bloated today also. So with that said scale is up 2lbs to 161.6, rings aren't tight but not spinning like usual either and I am a little uncomfortable in the tummy area :)

Hang in there Rennie just give it a little time and you'll be back in the 150s - that scale likes to bounce around and get us all flustered. Little bugger!

Shannonsnail
05-03-2014, 11:48 AM
Shannon - I used to eat whole bags of chips etc also. I live alone now but when my son was still at home that was really embarrassing. Have not done that in 2 months, been on the low carb train, UNTIL LAST NIGHT! Ate almost a whole pizza! I was craving it all day. Plus I was tired from lack of sleep all week and that pizza just called my name all day long. You know how you think you deserve a reward after a long week??

Well FBS was 204 this morning! The highest it has ever been ever! What a shock! I started drinking water, ate some nuts and cheese and got on the treadmill and now it is 188. My A1C has always been very high 6's, not into the 7's. So it's like I'm really realizing for the first time that I have a major problem with carbs, not just borderline anymore. I cannot play with this again.

Shannon again - I agree about the BPA even though your eggs procedure sounds so efficient.

Kris I don't think pizza likes you! I have not had pizza in over a month and I've never tested after pizza. I may end up eating some at the birthday party tonight. If I do I will definitely test to see what it does. I know that I get an elevated reading after pasta. I've never had a reading that high but I'm much earlier in my progression than you but I remember the first time I saw a reading in the 150s and was like WHAT?! I had no idea my glucose was rising that high, the highest I had seen it at fasting was maybe 117 so I figured that was as high as it ever went, LOL!

I am really bummed about the BPA - I love my eggs like that and it is so easy PLUS while it boils I have 13 minutes to clean my kitchen and I don't even have to watch the eggs....it has really been a life saver. I made scrambled eggs yesterday and it was not the same, today I was so sad I didn't even try to make eggs. I need to find a substitute method because that breakfast has really helped me start my day off right.

Shannonsnail
05-03-2014, 11:55 AM
Rennie, my step-daughter talked about guacamole so much I had to try it, and I liked it. But to make it just for myself, it goes bad before I can eat it all. I will buy 1 avacado once in a while but I can't eat them fast enough to keep them in the house. DH won't go near them. LOL

It's the same way with milk. When I was first diagnosed, they had me drinking 3 cups of skim milk per day. I loved it, and I felt that it helped me satisfy my hunger and lose weight. Now everyone is saying people should never drink cows milk. LOL If I drink it now, I feel ashamed, as if I smoked a cigarette. A cup of milk can stave off my hunger for a long time.

Carol Sue I puffy heart LOVE guacamole! I buy 3-5 avocados a week and I am the only one here who eats them! I am not a milk drinker but hubby is, I buy 2-3 gallons a week for him (Olivia drinks soy milk - she had tummy problems as a baby and though I've tried, I can't get her to drink regular milk). I like milk okay just have never loved it. I did hear one time though that milk was just liquid carbs. Since I don't drink it I've never tested after. Have you? I've just always wondered about that statement since it does have protein and fat. Hubby drinks 2%. He used to drink skim and I finally told him I wouldn't buy it anymore - I just don't think it is very filling and was hoping he would drink less if it was more filling (not sure if that has worked, lol!)

Restless
05-03-2014, 12:17 PM
Milk and pizza send my blood sugars outta the world crazy. Pasta does too but potatoes dont seem to bother as much. I dont like milk anyway so there's no harm there.

Ive had blood sugars as low as 38 in the night. Killer wakes me up right away the minute she senses it. She gets soooooo annoying but then I know to check it right away. As soon as Im up and eating glucose she backs off and just watches me. She's priceless....and self taught.

love2b150
05-03-2014, 12:54 PM
Shannon you and your husband sound like me and mine. One is on the sofa one is in front of the tv. My husband turns the tv as soon as he gets up, drives me nuts because I like quiet. Even if he gets on the computer he will turn the tv on. I can stay in here all day and never turn it on, unless I hear something on the radio news that I want more information on :). I go to bed way too late also ... I try to go to bed by 10 but most times it just doesn't happen. 3FC has consumed me for so many years (as long as I am working on me anyway). My kids have told me to get off 3FC. Before that we all use to play farmtown and cafe world on FB then we just stopped. On the subject of pizza, I eat one slice with the crust then a second without it. The kids say it's wasteful but it helps me so idc, I'm satisfied and it's only one slice that they would probably leave anyway :)

Restless, you said Killer is self taught. How is she sensing the low bs? Is there an alarm/monitor that you don't hear? Was she brought in as a service animal? This is great and quite interesting to me.

Wannabehealthy
05-03-2014, 01:33 PM
Kris, I can't do pizza. It spikes me so bad, and that kills me. I love pizza and DH gets it every weekend. Sometimes I will just pull the cheese and topping off and eat just them, but it's not the same.

Restless, I have never tested after drinking milk. I might be surprised.

I would like to have a service dog who would alert me when I was eating too much. LOL I don't mean to make a joke of this. I know that service animals save lives and are essential to giving people a normal life.

Rennie - You cut the avacado long ways and pull out the pit. Then you can slice it, or scoop the pulp out with a spoon, and it can be eaten as it is. It has to feel a little soft to the touch but not mushy. I have bought them and cut one open before it was ready, and also cut one open that way way too ripe for my liking! I just mash it up, add some lemon or lime juice, garlic and some salsa. There are a lot of recipes online but I just like to keep it simple. It's not something I would want to eat more than once a week.

I never knew anything about coconut oil, but I just googled it and it IS high in sat fat, but no trans fats. I use some butter in cooking but never use margarine. I use Smart Balance spread for some things since it has no trans fats, but it's not good to cook with. I think even Promise has trans fats. I buy Parkay spray and use that on vegetables. It has no calories, no fat no nothing! LOL In fact, I don't know what it does have, but it gives the veggies a buttery taste. A woman at work used to spray it on her toast. I don't know if it made it soggy. I don't use a lot of any kind of oil because I don't fry, except potatoes for DH. I'm very confused on which is good, which is bad. I do know not to use lard, which I grew up on. When my mother was a kid they used to spread lard on bread and sprinkle sugar on it.

Shannon, some women at work used to microwave their eggs in a ceramic bowl. Could you try that instead of the plastic bags? Also, are you sure the bags actually contain BPA?

kris2008
05-03-2014, 01:34 PM
Restless - That is some cat you have!

Shannon -I don't think our diabetes stories are very different. I've always been diagnosed as borderline (high 6 A1C) and my highest BFS was 128.

This 204 BFS I had this morning after lots of pizza last night blew me away! I wonder if being low carb for the last 2 months made me even more sensitive to carbs. Does anyone else have that experience?

Restless
05-03-2014, 01:41 PM
Shannon

Restless, you said Killer is self taught. How is she sensing the low bs? Is there an alarm/monitor that you don't hear? Was she brought in as a service animal? This is great and quite interesting to me.
>snipped<

Ive had Killer since she was about 6 weeks old. Its been her and I almost exclusively alone for most of the last 6 years. My Fiance' drove semi so he was seldom home so her and I bonded completely. As she got older and we bonded so strong she developed this "6th sense" she has all on her own. They say when your blood sugar goes too high or too low your scent changes and your breath will smell different too. She must smell it. Most nights she sleeps curled up (as much as a 17.7 lb ball of chunkiness can curl) on my chest with her lil butt nesting in the crook of my elbow so Im sure she can smell it. The same with my O2 which is notoriously bad during the night ( I use a BiPap with O2 bled in)..when it gets too low (< 85%) she will alert me by being uber annoying. She taps my chin with her nose or paws, she'll pull my hair and if all else fails she'll head butt me. She can do the same during the day if my blood sugar drops. She will hound me deaf with her meowing. She gets louder and more persistent til I respond.

She's super in tune to me on every level. If the fiance' and I are talking or if Im on the phone and I raise my voice, she comes running. She'll sit at my feet and tap me on the leg meowing the whole time til I stop, pet her and talk to her telling her Im ok. It might sound goofy but it's true.

This cat plays catch, she'll fetch balls, she rolls over, plays dead, says please, sits pretty, and answers when I call her no matter where she is. I can tell her to "go get Dad up" and she immediately goes to the bedroom door and starts meowing, getting louder and louder til she sees him move. If she comes to me and meows or gets up on the desk and bugs me, I tell her to go tell dad she's hungry. She'll jump down off the desk, look back at me and then run into the living room and sit at his feet meowing til he gets up and feeds her.

When people come over, even my own kids and grand kids, she places herself between me and them and meows or hisses at em if they come too close. The door bell rings and she runs for the front door and meows. If she sees me get a bottle of water out of the fridge, she follows me everywhere til I open it and give her the first drink. She loves to drink cold water out of a bottle but she likes to hold the bottle too.

Id be lost without her

Shannonsnail
05-03-2014, 03:13 PM
Restless - That is some cat you have!

Shannon -I don't think our diabetes stories are very different. I've always been diagnosed as borderline (high 6 A1C) and my highest BFS was 128.

This 204 BFS I had this morning after lots of pizza last night blew me away! I wonder if being low carb for the last 2 months made me even more sensitive to carbs. Does anyone else have that experience?

In that case we sound the same, yowzers, then I guess that 204 really did blow you away. This is going to sound crazy but now I kind of want to eat pizza so I can test. I find that seeing high numbers after certain foods actually helps me to understand why I must say no to them. It also helps me be able to concretely tell my husband I cannot have them. Not sure if that makes sense. And as far as being more sensitive, I think so. I did not have my meter last weekend when I ate two meals back to back that had bread/potatoes in them but I felt awful. I could definitely tell I had eaten off plan. I used to eat that stuff all the time and felt fine.

Shannonsnail
05-03-2014, 03:21 PM
Kris, I can't do pizza. It spikes me so bad, and that kills me. I love pizza and DH gets it every weekend. Sometimes I will just pull the cheese and topping off and eat just them, but it's not the same.

My hubby loves pizza. I have noticed him eating it more now that I am not eating it. He eats two per week during lunch (Palermos thin crusts we buy at the store) and then if he takes my daughter out without me, they always get pizza now. LOL!


Rennie - You cut the avacado long ways and pull out the pit. Then you can slice it, or scoop the pulp out with a spoon, and it can be eaten as it is. It has to feel a little soft to the touch but not mushy. I have bought them and cut one open before it was ready, and also cut one open that way way too ripe for my liking! I just mash it up, add some lemon or lime juice, garlic and some salsa. There are a lot of recipes online but I just like to keep it simple. It's not something I would want to eat more than once a week.
I am a guacamole queen. I eat it almost everyday. Sounds awful but honestly, the fats in it are good for you and I'm losing weight so obviously my body is fine with it. That being said, today was "Attack of the Avocado". I cut my finger while trying to remove the pit (I put my knife right into it and pull it out usually but today I missed the pit, oops!), then I dropped half of it on the floor, then I dropped the outer shell on my foot and got my shoe and sock all green. It was crazy! I do the same thing though, I add a little lime or lemon juice to it (keeps it from browning as badly), minced garlic, a tiny bit of salsa, sometimes I also add red onion and chopped tomatoes, and cilantro if I have it (I big puffy heart love cilantro too and often have it in the house). And, I salt it, to me it tastes better with salt.


Shannon[/B], some women at work used to microwave their eggs in a ceramic bowl. Could you try that instead of the plastic bags? Also, are you sure the bags actually contain BPA?
I am only assuming the bags contain BPA after reading some folks on 3FC posting about Ian's canned fish obsession and questioning him about BPA, and someone mentioned plastic. I should do some more research. I am going to google and see what I can find out about the bags and about an alternative way of cooking them. I just like not having to "babysit" the eggs while they cook. With an almost 4 year old there are constant interruptions when I cook, it is the one thing I don't worry about walking away from for a moment.

pattygirl63
05-03-2014, 07:50 PM
Well, this is going to be a flyby. Strange I wrote a post earlier today with a few Indies with a promise to return and do for some other Indies and it seems to have disappeared. Sorry I'm too tired to write it again. I will try to do it tomorrow.

However, I want to say :welcome2: to Restless. So glad hat you have joined us.

My fbs was 115 this morning and I was down .2 lbs which is better than up. So still at 224. I've exercised a lot this week plus been doing a lot of house cleaning. I'll be doing that more and more as I get ready for our trip. I've got to get my closet cleaned out to get to our suitcases so that will finally get organized.

Still have a load of clothes to do so I'll wish y'all a good evening and get it done. I'll catch y'all tomorrow when things settle here after church.

Goodnight.

Shannonsnail
05-03-2014, 08:51 PM
So, I blew my diet up tonight at the birthday party. I dedicated my body to science to see what would happen, LOL! I passed on the soda but then ate 3 slices pizza (super skinny slices so this was probably like 1.5 regular slices, a cupcake, scoop of chocolate m&m ice cream and small slice of cake. I could literally feel the change in my body and really did not want anymore sugar halfway through the cake. Eating started at 6:30. Got home around 7:40 and started mowing grass. Mowed entire yard quick as I could since daylight was fading. Went to my daughter's bedroom to see if she was sleeping (NOT!) and saw it was 8:30 so I ran to my meter - 139. If I hadn't mowed the yard it probably would have been more like 150 I imagine. So, there you have it. I might check again at 9:30 to see if it goes down or keeps rising. I'll let you know.

Shannonsnail
05-03-2014, 09:59 PM
Wow! I retested at 9:30 and it was 169. I have never seen such a high. This explains alot to me. I used to eat like that alot. Very eye opening.

Wannabehealthy
05-03-2014, 10:03 PM
Shannon, I'm sure the grass cutting helped, but maybe pizza doesn't spike you the way it does us. I could probably hate you for that, ya know? LOL For a while I was getting readings in the 300s and had 1 over 400 once. I know that you are supposed to go to the ER with that, but I didn't. Sometimes I would walk on my treadmill for a while in an effort to get it down. The glimiperide the doctor prescribed helped to get it down and now I am pretty much keeping it down with diet and exercise. A few glimiperide here and there as needed.

What is the issue with canned fish and BPA? I have a tendency to eat too much fish, but my concern is the mercury.

I usually don't eat breakfast until I'm up for a couple hours, but tomorrow I am going to drink a glass of milk right after I check my FBS and see if I get a spike. I'm so curious about that.

Shannonsnail
05-03-2014, 10:20 PM
Carol Sue did you see my last post about the 9:30 test? It was up to 169. I tested again at 10:30 and it was back to 133. I realize that's nothing like a 300 but anything over 140 after 2 hours concerns me. This gives me the conviction I need to continue on my journey. I cannot go back to who I was.

I'm not sure there is any issue with BPA in canned fish. Someone just mentioned it but others poo poo'd it and that is when plastic was mentioned. My researching is turning up some possible options.

This might be politically incorrect, but, looking forward to hearing about your milk experiment!

Restless
05-04-2014, 01:37 AM
Milk will spike my blood sugar faster than if Id eaten a candy bar...and I dont like it much anyway so I never drink it. Breads and pasta will also cause wild highs. Potatoes, as long as I have them baked with a little lemon dont kill it too badly.

Im finding that adding a dash of lemon juice to all to most of my vegies helps me not to use salt and also acts as a natural diuretic. Plus I think it just tastes good. I also find that occasional sips of ACV a couple times a day really helps to keep my blood sugars in check.

Wannabehealthy
05-04-2014, 06:36 AM
Shannon, no, I had not seen your post about the reading of 169. I still think it would have been higher had you not cut the grass. Do it again, and don't cut the grass. LOL LOL Unless you were using a riding mower, the walking with the lawnmower would have helped lower your BS. The ADA says your 2 hr should be under 180, but they also say 45 gm of carb per meal, and we know THAT doesn't work. I would have never been concerned with the 169, but that's the kind of thinking that got me where I am. Trying to avoid a formal diagnosis, you are right to be concerned.

This morning my FBG was 148. Before bed last night it was 119. I am so afraid of going too low when I'm asleep that I am in the habit of eating some crackers before bed. I think that is what causes these morning highs. I have to switch to something else, like celery sticks. So anyway, I just drank my cup of milk and will test later to see how high I go. Usually, if I am high in the morning and I eat my eggs for breakfast it comes down nicely without medicating.

Another thing that I think was causing my problems was that I have a habit of grazing between meals. By doing that, I'm not giving my blood sugar time to come down. Eating a little bit here and there keeps it up, and then I'm eating my next meal with my blood sugar already high. Now I don't do that grazing and I also check my blood sugar before I eat to make sure my glucose isn't already high. If it is, I eat a very small meal.

Lately, I have not been hungry at lunchtime and we have been eating an early dinner so I have not been eating my kale and other vegetables. The weirdest part is I don't even think about lunch and don't feel hunger start until at least 2 - 3 PM. But my body is noticing it. After I started eating all the vegetables, my aches and pains went away. I used to get pains in my shoulders and arms, which I believe was tendonitis. It would come on at night, while lying down. After I started eating all those veggies the pains went away. I contributed it to the vegetables because of all the nutrients, phytochemicals, antioxidants etc in them. I must have been right because it's been over a week since I've been eating them and the pain is returning, especially in my shoulders. I still eat veggies cut up in my eggs and a serving at dinner, but my lunch servings were huge because that was all I was eating. I was eating them even if I wasn't hungry because they are so low calorie. The only other thing I can do is eat a lot more veggies with dinner. DH would never eat kale, so at dinner, I usually have veggies that he likes, like peas, corn, broccoli and cauliflower.

Restless, for a while I was putting ACV in my water bottle and was also adding lemon juice because I heard that it helps with the taste of the vinegar. One day there was a bottle of water in the fridge that I had not finished and put back. I grabbed it and took a sip and it was ACV water. I am going to have to get back to that. It took me a while to get used to it because I don't like the taste of vinegar at all.

Wannabehealthy
05-04-2014, 08:32 AM
Almost 2 hours after I drank the milk my BS is 160. Remember, I started out at 148, so I do not consider that a "spike" but a normal BS rise due to consuming food. Normally by now I would be a little lower, but I feel that I can add milk to my diet without a problem. I intend to do another test on a day when I wake up with a lower blood sugar. I checked the nutritional info on my milk and 1 cup is 13gm of carb, 12 of which is sugar, and 9gm of protein. No fat since it is skim milk. I have always heard that protein and fat will inhibit the rise of blood sugar, but have never really tested that theory. I rarely eat a carb without having something else, fat or protein with it. I do know the fat and protein in pizza doesn't help! LOL

kris2008
05-04-2014, 09:06 AM
After the FBS of 204 yesterday morning - I exercised, drank lots of water, chugged some ACV, ate protein all day long and the number went down. FBS was 121 this morning.

Shannon - I'm with you. This was a real wake up call for me that I am diabetic. Not borderline etc. but I have a real problem with sugar. When I think about how I used to eat, I shudder for my poor body. It is good to know.

Restless - I loved hearing about your cat! I have a cat I adore who coos and talks all the time and runs from here to there - it did not occur to me maybe she's trying to tell me something or is reacting to me. I doubt she's as smart as yours but I'm going to study her more closely.

Carol Sue - About the grazing - For me, eating more than 3 times a day makes my sugar higher. I think my body likes the break in between where it doesn't have to deal with the processing of food. Since I used to eat continually, this has been a real change for me. But now I find it easier to deal with food 3 times a day instead of 3 times and snacks. I just try to find something else to do unless it is "time" to eat. I make sure I get the essential food groups at each "meal" including good protein and fat to tide me over to the next meal. Eating snacks just gets me back to thinking about food all the time and then before I know it, I'm eating all the time.

Shannonsnail
05-04-2014, 09:06 AM
My fbs was 129 after the great sugar experiment. I really don't ever want to see numbers like I did last night. And yes, Carol Sue, I'm trying to prevent an official diagnosis so anything elevated for a "normal" person concerns me, though I'm happy if my fbs is below 120. My dr told me she thinks a big part of my fbs being elevated is the disrupted sleep I have with my daughter. She thinks my cortisol levels are high and are factoring into my glucose elevations. At any rate, like I said, this experiment really helped solidify why I cannot have a lazy mindset about staying on plan (for losing weight, yes, but more importantly, for keeping my glucose under control).

On an unrelated note when I weighed today I remembered my scale does body fat %. I haven't used that function on it in 5 yrs according to the age that was in there for me, lol. I had to go online to find the user manual but I was able to get it set up for my current age. It was 42.9% yowzers! I know these scales are not completely accurate, I just want to be able to track how it changes.

TheSecondHalf
05-04-2014, 10:44 AM
Shannon, my daughter didn't sleep through the night until she was over three years old. It was hard. I gained SO much weight and all of it was around my abdomen. That's when I started having trouble with my BP and my doctor started warning me about diabetes. You have all my sympathy. Lack of sleep and interrupted sleep drive your cortisol way way up. We found a book called Sleepless in America (and I've read almost every other book on sleep and children) that finally helped us get things on track.

Also, I had a thought about your eggs - have you tried poaching them? I have a little egg poaching pan that gets used most days because I can cook eggs without having to babysit them.

You guys are so chatty, it's hard to keep up! Not much has changed with me. My biggest problem is forgetting I'm supposed to be watching what I eat. It sounds so stupid. I need to tattoo "should you really eat that" on the inside of my wrist or something.

Restless
05-04-2014, 12:24 PM
3 days in to taking this new med and the only side effects so far is freakin horrible Insomnia and headache. Today I noticed that since I took the first pill @3am Friday Ive been cold....bone chilling cold....stay wrapped in a mink blanket all day cold. This in itself doesnt seem odd maybe to most people especially this time of year. However, for me it is. Ever since I started having breathing issues 4 years Ive been too warm, totally intolerant to heat of any kind. I can sweat bullets walking. NOW all of a sudden Im froze.

But I digress. My fasting blood sugar the last 3 mornings as been just shy of 120. throughout the day they run between 70 and 110. However, I do notice that my 2 hours after I eat BS is way too high and Im not sure how to fix that. I take R Insulin (sliding scale) and metformin at supper with Lantus at bedime.

Im having to learn how to eat again so I think I can get this all situated but if any of you have any ideas or questions...please feel free.....

I promise to listen and be respectful (I tend to get kinda snotty if I think Im being misunderstood )

Shannonsnail
05-04-2014, 01:11 PM
Shannon, my daughter didn't sleep through the night until she was over three years old. It was hard. I gained SO much weight and all of it was around my abdomen. That's when I started having trouble with my BP and my doctor started warning me about diabetes. You have all my sympathy. Lack of sleep and interrupted sleep drive your cortisol way way up. We found a book called Sleepless in America (and I've read almost every other book on sleep and children) that finally helped us get things on track.

Also, I had a thought about your eggs - have you tried poaching them? I have a little egg poaching pan that gets used most days because I can cook eggs without having to babysit them.

You guys are so chatty, it's hard to keep up! Not much has changed with me. My biggest problem is forgetting I'm supposed to be watching what I eat. It sounds so stupid. I need to tattoo "should you really eat that" on the inside of my wrist or something.

Olivia is turning 4 and still wakes 1-2 times a night on average. She came out of the womb refusing to sleep. Gah! I have ready gobs of books and have paid an online consultant for a sleep plan. Everything has very limited success. But, I will check that book too! Not giving up....she WILL sleep!

I do not know what a poached egg is....is it runny, can you see the yolk by itself? If so, I probably cannot eat it that way. I'm kind of weird with texture on eggs (and chicken....coincidence?)

I'm the chatty one here, too much time on my hands I guess, lol....not really, I just have internet addiction issues. Got over my FB addiction and just replaced it with 3FC I guess.

Shannonsnail
05-04-2014, 01:12 PM
3 days in to taking this new med and the only side effects so far is freakin horrible Insomnia and headache. Today I noticed that since I took the first pill @3am Friday Ive been cold....bone chilling cold....stay wrapped in a mink blanket all day cold. This in itself doesnt seem odd maybe to most people especially this time of year. However, for me it is. Ever since I started having breathing issues 4 years Ive been too warm, totally intolerant to heat of any kind. I can sweat bullets walking. NOW all of a sudden Im froze.

But I digress. My fasting blood sugar the last 3 mornings as been just shy of 120. throughout the day they run between 70 and 110. However, I do notice that my 2 hours after I eat BS is way too high and Im not sure how to fix that. I take R Insulin (sliding scale) and metformin at supper with Lantus at bedime.

Im having to learn how to eat again so I think I can get this all situated but if any of you have any ideas or questions...please feel free.....

I promise to listen and be respectful (I tend to get kinda snotty if I think Im being misunderstood )
Which new med is this? I think I saw someone post about headaches with Lantus.

pattygirl63
05-04-2014, 06:07 PM
Restless Your cat is amazing and I would also say a real blessing to you the way she takes care of you. Sounds like she is better than a watch dog. LOL

Shannon It is so amazing to me how much exercise/movement of any kind really helps to lower blood sugar. Doing the lawn was a great idea. Hope you will be able to resolve your daughter's sleeping habits.

TheSecondHalf I heard that about the sleep and cortisol years ago. That is probably one of the reasons that I had problems with getting diabetes under control years ago when grandchildren were young. They were so active day and night and I seldom got much sleep. Even a few years ago when DH daughter and her family lived with us for a while, I would try to take a nap and just as I got to sleep someone would stomp up the stairs by my room and wake me up. I remember how I would just seem to shake on the inside. Now that it is just us, I do my best to get 8 hours of sleep at night. I hadn't thought about it, but that is probably why DH has difficulty getting his blood sugar under control is that he experiences so much insomnia.

My fbs was 133 this morning, but I'm not really surprised since I forgot to take my medicine yesterday until late last night. Metformin doesn't seem to work good for me unless I take it with my largest meal of the day. I had to grab a snack to take it so I think I'm just thankful it wasn't higher. My weight is at a new low this morning at 223.8, but I'll wait to see if it is real or not before changing my ticker. If this is real, then I've finally lost a total of 15 lbs. It is so slow.

One good thing about eating a few more carbs each day and not Atkins Induction is that I seem to have more energy. I actually felt like getting into my closet and straightening it up this afternoon so it doesn't look like a cyclone has hit it. So I have that done. I've started checking out things to see in a few cities we plan to go while on our trip. DH is always good about taking me to see new places where I have never been. Someday I would love to be able to take him some places I've been that he hasn't seen if we can stay healthy long enough. Also making lists of some things we need to take what we need to purchase.

DGS isn't going to FL as he had originally planned when we first decided to take this trip. He has to go to summer school in May and June like he did last year to save his scholarship. He won't be able to go home until Christmas. He is supposed to stay with some friends, but I've decided that I'm not going to allow him to keep me from going home as I haven't seen my Daddy in 3 or 4 yrs and he is turning 91 in June. If DGS doesn't find a place to stay while we are gone, I'm going to have my neighbors keep a watch to be sure no parties or anyone is in my house while we are gone. There was a time I would have trusted him, but he has never had a lot of friends until now. I might be crazy, but I just don't trust leaving a 20 year old who suddenly has all these friends that he would rather do things with than study especially when he admits to having problems making good/smart decisions like he should. :dizzy: He is basically a good kid, but I'm not sure what he would do for his friends.

Sorry I didn't do a lot of Indies. We have become a chatty bunch and I too like that because when I have time, I too am very chatty. I just lose track of all I want to comment on. Y'all sure give me new things to consider and think about.

Hope everyone is having a blessed Sunday

pattygirl63
05-04-2014, 06:27 PM
3 days in to taking this new med and the only side effects so far is freakin horrible Insomnia and headache. Today I noticed that since I took the first pill @3am Friday Ive been cold....bone chilling cold....stay wrapped in a mink blanket all day cold. This in itself doesnt seem odd maybe to most people especially this time of year. However, for me it is. Ever since I started having breathing issues 4 years Ive been too warm, totally intolerant to heat of any kind. I can sweat bullets walking. NOW all of a sudden Im froze.

But I digress. My fasting blood sugar the last 3 mornings as been just shy of 120. throughout the day they run between 70 and 110. However, I do notice that my 2 hours after I eat BS is way too high and Im not sure how to fix that. I take R Insulin (sliding scale) and metformin at supper with Lantus at bedime.

Im having to learn how to eat again so I think I can get this all situated but if any of you have any ideas or questions...please feel free.....

I promise to listen and be respectful (I tend to get kinda snotty if I think Im being misunderstood )

Restless When I was diagnosed with diabetes this last time, I decided to do what I heard that my step-sisters hubby did when he found out he was diabetic.

He tested after most of the food that he ate to see how it his blood sugar responded to it. For example, he learned that he could have an Egg McMuffin on the way to work if he removed one slice of the bread. He learned that if he snacked on peanuts that his blood sugar stayed level. Once he knew what foods he could and couldn't eat then he planned all his meals around those foods.

This is how I learned that I could eat 1/2 a serving of oatmeal and not raise my bs, but if I ate a whole serving that my blood sugar went through the roof. This where I learned that just because the ADA diet says that a diabetic can eat something does not mean that I can. I've decided that maybe I can eat some of those foods some day, but if I can never eat them again that it really isn't such a big deal. This is why I'm trying to learn to have a different attitude and see the foods I can eat that aren't allowed on most diets as something special instead of "a woe is me" attitude because I can't have what I used to eat.

This is just what has finally started working for me. Hope this helps as you work toward learning how to make things work for you. We all have different ways that we have learned what works for us and many of us are always changing and tweaking as we learn more. Be patient with yourself as you find yours. I think each individual diabetic has to make their plan "personally" theirs because just "one size" does not fit all in clothes... one diet doesn't fit all either.

Good luck on your journey.

love2b150
05-04-2014, 07:59 PM
kris I know the fbs of 204 was scary for you after always being so low. Mine use to always be like that until I got the carbs out :)

Carol Sue I may try avocado once more with some added items to it. :) Carol Sue I have had a few readings in the 300's in that past also and didn't go to the ER. My body worked it out :)

Restless , Killer is a wonderful companion, I'm happy you have her and her senses all I can say is wow :) Restless, I didn't need to hear that about the potatoes but thank you :D

Shannon it makes perfect sense to be able to tell your husband and know in your mind that something isn't good for you. I totally understand and what's great is that it will keep you at bay. Wish I had the same discipline :) Shannon sometimes with eating off plan, I don't think it is the food so much that makes us totally feel bad (because honestly you wouldn't purposely over indulge in something that is bad for you especially as health conscious as you are) hope that doesn't sound mean, it's not meant to be and hopefully you know me by now :hug: but what I'm saying is that when I eat things that I should not have. I get a sick feeling but it's because I am asking myself what on earth were you thinking? and the more I give it thought the worse I feel. Now that makes me say no the next time. Because all I do is worry about numbers every where :D Shannon I'm serious you are gonna have to invite me up for a taste test :) I would surely come on over :) who turns down food, certainly not I ;) ... though not really funny because you could have really been hurt (so be careful next time :hug:) but you and that avocado had a time today :lol: Ian's canned fish thread caught my eye also. I think he's fine :)

Hi Trish :wave:

TheSecondHalf :wave:

I don't want to leave anyone out but honestly I'm tired of reading now :hug:

Wannabehealthy
05-05-2014, 09:11 AM
I am totally screwed up. I start off good each day, but before the day is over I eat some carbs. I was doing so well. It seems that I got out of sync on Easter and haven't really been able to get back on track. My weight and BS go up and down (up right now). This is not the plan. It's all about the bread. I can stay away from white store bought bread. DH has it in the house all the time. But not rolls, or special breads. Yesterday, DH wanted a Subway Sub for lunch, and I ate about 1/3 of it, roll and all. Delicious. Since we had that, neither of us was hungry for dinner so I made a pot of vegetable soup. DH usually likes French or Italian bread with it but I didn't feel like going to the store so I had a loaf of frozen bread dough in the freezer and baked it for him. I knew, deep in my heart, I was going to eat it, and I did. Sky high blood sugar, even with the glimiperide. Tonight I'm supposed to make lasagne. It won't spike me as high as the bread does, and I will cook some kale to eat with it. I bought a big bunch yesterday so I have to eat some every day or it will go bad. I don't feel as thought I have the right to offer advice to anyone else because I can't follow it myself.

Trish, We never trusted our kids to stay at home alone either. They had a lot of friends, and would be happy to open our home to them. We only went away without them one time and made them stay at grandmas. They sure didn't like that!

Restless - I always seem to be warmer than everyone else in the room. Sometimes my thyroid acts up and for a while I will be so cold I feel chilled to the bone and can't get warm no matter what. DR tried meds but after a week or so my thyroid would go back to normal and I had to stop the meds again. It sounds as though this is a side effect of your new meds.

I am not able to give any advice to you because you are on insulin and I never had any experience with it. The insulin before meals should be helping with the 2 hr post prandial but would probably depend on what you're eating. How high does it spike? At least it goes back to normal before the next meal. The idea of lows really scares me, especially since I had that one low without any symptoms. Lucky you have Killer to watch out for you. Good kitty!

Shannon and SecondHalf, I have a lot of sleep issues. I know that it effects my weight and my BS but I don't know what to do about it. I really don't want to depend on meds for it, because I take so many other meds. I fall asleep as soon as my head hits the pillow, but I wake up 2-3 hrs later and have a hard time falling back to sleep. I have tried staying up later. Didn't help. Part of the reason is I use a CPap and my headgear doesn't stay on well. I am constantly adjusting it. I really don't want to go for another sleep study for a better one. I barely slept at the original sleep study because it was a strange environment with all these wires attached to me. For a while during the past several months, I was falling back to sleep until 8 - 9 AM, which was good. But now I'm back to getting up at 5 AM because I hate just lying there awake. When I was in the hospital they gave me Ambien every night but it still only kept me asleep for 2-3 hours.

Kris, for a long time I didn't realize what the grazing was doing to my blood sugar. It is such a hard habit to break. It wasn't hunger, I was just grabbing at this and that. The best thing I can do it leave the house and go somewhere that takes my attention away from food. I do notice that when I have gone at least 4 hours without food that I feel so much better and my food tastes much better. Even if I buy healthy things to snack on, I don't stop eating after a small serving. I keep going back for more. Even healthy food isn't healthy if you're eating too much of it.

Rennie, I haven't seen Ian's canned fish thread. Going to go look for it. Wonder if he knows how popular he is? LOL

Wannabehealthy
05-05-2014, 10:03 AM
I found and read the thread about canned fish. He sure finds a wild variety! I love fish and I think I could eat it every day, but I never tried it because of the mercury. The one link said that 3 cans of light tuna per day is the safe limit as long as you're not eating any other fish. Normally, I don't approve of fad diets, or diets that only include 1 food, but Ian has been dieting for so long and has lost a lot of weight, so I feel that he is well informed of what he's doing. I have to fit my eating in with DH, and that just wouldn't fly with him.

JLUS
05-05-2014, 04:26 PM
I make my lasagne using zucchini for the noodles or make half the pan that way for you if DH would not like it... Mine LOVES having the zucchini as noodles!

If you have a mandolin, use it to make long sluces of zucchini. If no mandolin, you can yes a sharp knife and make sluces the long way as thin as you can (be careful). Layer the sluces just as you would noodles (no per cooking necessary). It is absolutely delay and if someone ate it blindfolded they would not miss the noodles!!

Use a julienne veggie peeler or mandolin attachment to make zucchini into spaghetti noodle --- ZOODLES!!!

Wannabehealthy
05-05-2014, 04:42 PM
Laurie, I tried once making a small part of the lasagne with zucchini and I didn't like it. I only like zucchini fries or zucchini bread. I love eggplant parm, which is similar, but I don't bother making it because DH wouldn't eat it. I just eat the lasagne, noodles and all. I only make it once a month and only eat 1 portion. My 13 X 9 pan makes 9 portions. I just accept that that is my day to eat a carby meal. I've had so many of them lately! Tomorrow it's back to low carb. All my carby food will be gone, thank God!

love2b150
05-05-2014, 05:30 PM
Hi everyone ... where are you Shannon?

Carol Sue I am like you I do fine during the early part of the day them the crazy food brain clicks in and there I go :D I sleep through the night for the most part. I just wake up to go to the bathroom a couple of times. When I don't I'm surprised :) Carol Sue, you give great advice, you all do. We all give advice on our experience which definitely helps others. Now whether or not we live by what we've learned is another story ;) The only thing ALWAYS cold on me is my feet. I can have on three pairs of socks and cover my feet in a blanket and they will still be cold but it is only in the evening and at night. I check my feet often and they are fine, so I don't know what gives.

Trish :congrat: on the new low :) Ms. Trish you will stay healthy and take him to see some place new :), you know better than to speak that way :hug:

Laurie, I saw this gadget in walmart today (as seen on tv) you put the veggie inside of it and spin it and it makes noodles. I really wanted to get it. It was right next to check out :) I'll have my eye on it for a while it was $20 and I can't justify spending that just for me. So I'll have to use a knife in the time being :)

FBS was back in the 120's today ... 127 hope it continues to go down :)

pattygirl63
05-05-2014, 05:49 PM
Carol Sue I'm not staying away from the bread either as I'm still using the double fiber bread. However, my calories seem to be staying under 1400 each day and my fiber is up and the sodium is in check as well. I'm hoping that I can at least keep it this way and hope it works for me. I am drinking lots of green tea too and the only thing I can say at this point is that I'm no longer having potty issues. Exercise is going good because I actually enjoy it right now. Stomach is handling things well so all is well.

The .2 lbs I lost yesterday was back today which is no surprise since I seem to bounce around before the weight loss becomes stable. So just have to ride that one out.

DGS said he has to people who said he could stay with while we are gone. He said something about staying here would be his preference, but I told him that the trip is going to be expensive as it is and I don't want the utilities used while we are gone. He doesn't clean up after himself in the kitchen and puts food in garbage disposal and just leaves it and I find it and have to run it and clean up after him. He questions so many things I want done and treats me like my decision is crazy. Knowing the things I have to do, because he won't do them or doesn't think they are important when I'm here, I sure don't trust him to take care of them while I'm gone.

DH son called and he and his daughter want DH to go with them to a ball game in Indianapolis while we are there the night before we leave. That will be good for them. I think he had been hurt when we did so much for his sister and her family and hadn't been to see them. I'm hoping that relationship will heal. With all that DH has done for his daughter, she never calls or says anything to her Daddy and her son is the one living with us while going to school when he can't be at the campus. His scholarship doesn't pay for him to go to summer school. He has to borrow the money to pay for the make up classes he takes and then live here with us. Obviously the more you do for her the less she cares. She texted me Thursday to ask me to tell her Daddy that she loves him and she will call the weekend. She didn't call. I've decided I'm giving him messages like that any more because it just hurts him. He told me he is never going to go see her again. Kids are just strange.

Sorry about the venting. I just get tired of the way the treat him. Even DGS will not help his grandad with yard work or anything. I just don't understand it.

Thanks for letting me rant.
I have to say that

Shannonsnail
05-05-2014, 09:30 PM
Shannon it makes perfect sense to be able to tell your husband and know in your mind that something isn't good for you. I totally understand and what's great is that it will keep you at bay. Wish I had the same discipline :) Shannon sometimes with eating off plan, I don't think it is the food so much that makes us totally feel bad (because honestly you wouldn't purposely over indulge in something that is bad for you especially as health conscious as you are) hope that doesn't sound mean, it's not meant to be and hopefully you know me by now :hug: but what I'm saying is that when I eat things that I should not have. I get a sick feeling but it's because I am asking myself what on earth were you thinking? and the more I give it thought the worse I feel. Now that makes me say no the next time. Because all I do is worry about numbers every where :D Shannon I'm serious you are gonna have to invite me up for a taste test :) I would surely come on over :) who turns down food, certainly not I ;) ... though not really funny because you could have really been hurt (so be careful next time :hug:) but you and that avocado had a time today :lol: Ian's canned fish thread caught my eye also. I think he's fine :)

Rennie you have an open invitation anytime :D

I found and read the thread about canned fish. He sure finds a wild variety! I love fish and I think I could eat it every day, but I never tried it because of the mercury. The one link said that 3 cans of light tuna per day is the safe limit as long as you're not eating any other fish. Normally, I don't approve of fad diets, or diets that only include 1 food, but Ian has been dieting for so long and has lost a lot of weight, so I feel that he is well informed of what he's doing. I have to fit my eating in with DH, and that just wouldn't fly with him.

Carol Sue The picture of his stash really made me laugh, I never imagined anyone having that much canned fish! I do worry about his wife, lol....is he stinking the house up? I'm sure though she is just happy to have him healthier. Some of his comments really crack me up though.

I make my lasagne using zucchini for the noodles or make half the pan that way for you if DH would not like it... Mine LOVES having the zucchini as noodles!

If you have a mandolin, use it to make long sluces of zucchini. If no mandolin, you can yes a sharp knife and make sluces the long way as thin as you can (be careful). Layer the sluces just as you would noodles (no per cooking necessary). It is absolutely delay and if someone ate it blindfolded they would not miss the noodles!!

Use a julienne veggie peeler or mandolin attachment to make zucchini into spaghetti noodle --- ZOODLES!!!

Laurie I want to try the lasagna with zucchini noodles sometime. DH loves lasagna though he may decide I've gone a step too far defiling his favorite food. He has accepted my faux-tatoes and faux-rice but I don't know about replacing his beloved lasagna noodles. I also want to do the zoodles but I want to get that spirelli (or whatever) thing so they are really like noodles, not ribbons.

Last night my daughter was up every hour crying in pain. She kept saying her stomach hurt but she never vomited or anything other than crying. So, I was up all night essentially. I slept what bit I did on her floor. This morning she was still not quite right but by lunch she was finally ok. Shortly after that she fell in the kitchen and hit the back of her head hard. She has a goose egg. From then til she went to bed she was just a crying whiny mess. It's been a long day.

My fbs was 129 this morning...higher than I'd like. I let myself get too hungry last night at dinnertime and ended up eating my daughter's leftovers from mcdonalds. I had intended to make myself something separate when we got home but then there were delays and interruptions and finally I caved bc I was ready to eat my arm.

My weekly weigh in today was good and I've lost 19 lbs now. I hope everyone has a good day tomorrow. I'm off to bed. Tomorrow is super busy for me with preschool, a mammogram and our 7th anniversary dinner out. Rennie we are going to the Angus Barn :D

Wannabehealthy
05-06-2014, 08:41 AM
Shannon, that was your punishment for feeding your daughter McDonalds. LOL I hope your daughter is OK. The tummy ache could be from so many different things.

I see Ian is now "testing" green tea! LOL He has lost, but it might just be his diet that's causing the weight loss.

My BS didn't spike as high as I expected with the lasagne. Maybe the big plate of kale I ate with it had something to do with that. There is one piece left for my husband's lunch and the rest went home with my step-daughter.

Trish, Good job on the 19 lbs!

It's not so much that I am not staying away from the bread, it's the fact that once I eat 1 piece, I end up eating half a loaf or more. If I could eat 1 piece then stop I wouldn't care that much. It's like something snaps in my brain and I lose all control.

My DH puts food down the disposal and doesn't run it. One time we had so many little knats flying around and someone suggested cleaning the disposal. I did that and haven't had any since. Now I am in a habit of running the disposal every time I'm at the sink in case he left something in there. Too late to get him to change now. LOL

My step-son calls his Dad about 5 times a week, just to check in with him. My step-daughter only calls when she needs something. If things are going good for her we can go months without hearing from her, and she lives 3 miles away from us, and works 1 mile from us. My step son is very successful, but my step-daughter is terrible with money. We have helped them out to the point where DH refuses to do so now. They are close to 50 years old and eventually we will be gone and they will have to fend for themselves. We have been enablers too long. When something goes wrong for her, it's a big catastrophe, but if we need something she says "I'd help if I could." Her Dad is in extreme pain with his shingles, but all she says is "Sean had them worse than you." (her husband) It's all about ME ME ME!!

Rennie, I am not careful about my feet. I never go barefoot but I don't check them. The DR did something to them and asked me if I could feel it and I said yes, even though I could barely feel it. I just knew that "yes" was the correct answer! LOL

Shannonsnail
05-06-2014, 09:09 AM
Olivia was up again alot last night. I think she has an ear infection. It could be drainage making her tummy hurt. I'm not taking her to preschool, have to reschedule my mammogram and our dinner plans. It will be another long day.....ah, motherhood! The good news is I am going to put one of my frozen spaghetti meat sauces in the crockpot so I don't have to do much for dinner. I'm so glad I intentionally make time to make a batch of those every month, has saved me many times. It's the only meal I eat pasta with....will try dreamfields tonight and see if result is same as regular pasta or better.

Wannabehealthy
05-06-2014, 10:07 AM
That is such a good idea to make the sauce ahead and freeze it. My DH wouldn't eat it, but he will eat jarred sauce!!! WTH?

Shannonsnail
05-06-2014, 12:05 PM
It's not ears but ped thinks it is sinuses so I'm glad I took her. She will start a med later today. Her favorite neighbor overheard us talking about not having the babysitter come tonight when we got out of the car from the ped. She insisted Olivia come over to watch a movie with her tonight so we can still go out. She is older (grown kids) and Olivia really loves her so I guess we will carry on with the dinner out. I had not yet canceled the reservation since they open later and I was thawing the spaghetti sauce but hadn't put it in the crock yet so that worked out well. Olivia was ecstatic, otherwise I would not have accepted her offer.

Carol Sue my DH was adament about jarred sauce, specifically one brand and flavor but he has changed his tune since I started making this one.
-Brown 1lb ground beef on stove, drain and let cool.
-Add the following to a gallon freezer bag:
28 oz (lg can) crushed tomatoes
1 green pepper chopped
1 onion chopped
1/2 c chopped celery
2 tsp minced garlic
1.5 tbsp chili powder
1.5 tsp salt
-Add ground beef and stir around in bag or smoosh to mix. Seal and freeze.
-Thaw overnight, add to crock, cook on low 5-7 hrs
(This might be enough for two meals for you) I make 3-4 of these at a time and we eat one a week. We like shredded cheddar in ours.

pattygirl63
05-06-2014, 01:39 PM
I must have wrote something wrong. I did see the 223.6 this time down .2 from the last time I saw the 223. So I will change the ticker later, but I'm down 15 lbs not 19 Carol Sue Wish it was 19. But in due time it will happen.

Rennie You are right. I will stay healthy and I really do better than to even think any other way.

Shannon Hope your little one is feeling better soon.

This is a flyby because we are going shopping. I will be back later.

Have a nice day everybody.

love2b150
05-06-2014, 02:56 PM
Trish, I haven't got it through my head yet that I need more fiber and I need to find a balance. You know it took my daughter to actually be on her own to really appreciate all I tried to instill in her while she was at home. She wasn't disrespectful but she wouldn't clean a thing, her husband did/does a lot. She married a good guy. I'm sorry you and your husband have to go through all of that, sometimes family is the worse :hug:

Carol Sue I use to come in the house and immediately take my shoes and socks/hose off, now I change shoes depending on what's on my feet but my feet are covered. That's not good that you could barely feel the touch. Do you get pedicures?

Shannon, good for Olivia and you and your husband, HAPPY ANNIVERSARY :). I've never been to the Angus Barn. Is it expensive? I guess it is since you need reservations, huh! Enjoy :) My daughter talks about how crowded their parking lot is, so it must be great :) I hope you get some rest tonight since Olivia has the medicine :hug: My sauce is similar, except no celery or chili powder and I use basil. We even add the cheddar and Parmesan :D

I went to Carlie C's yesterday and they had fresh baked bread. a :nono: I know ... but it's so good :D ... up 2.8lbs from yesterday, weighing in at 164.0. I know it's water so I'm not worried. I am up 4.2lbs from my low still not worried. I have a better mindset for some reason this go around. With today included I have had four totally off plan days. My carbs have been really high these days. So once I get that under control I'll be fine. TOM showed up for one day and then gone. I am not understanding this stage of life with my body. But this happened last year in August so it is what it is :) maybe I'm about to go through menopause ;) I plan to go to the gym this afternoon to help with the up and start tomorrow fresh with low carb low cal :)

ETA: made it to the gym burn 569, 4.11 miles ... scale looks good right now hope the morning brings a smile :D

pattygirl63
05-06-2014, 09:14 PM
Went to eat at Buffalo Wings today. I always order chips and chili cheese dip and DH orders 10 traditional mild buffalo wings. I was very good, I ate 1/3 of the dip but we didn't really make a dent in the chips there are always so many and I ate only 4 of the wing pieces. Came home and had a PB/Polaner Apricot sandwich for dinner.

I don't really understand fbs. I did something wrong yesterday because while my bp and weight was good, fbs was 145. I did have regular unsalted crackers so I suppose that little bit of white flour was not to make it higher today. My calories were within limits as they are today so it will be interesting to see how things go tomorrow.

I'm tired so I'll catch y'all tomorrow. :)

love2b150
05-06-2014, 09:22 PM
Trish I love Buffalo Wild Wings, my daughter and I use to go there for lunch when we lived in VA. I don't understand FBS either :dizzy: Rest well, god night :hug:

Wannabehealthy
05-07-2014, 08:19 AM
Something has been off the past few days. I started out on my treadmill, warmng up, heart rate watch registered 80, then instantly spiked up to 139. Back down to 80, right back up to 130's. I stopped right away. I was feeling the palpitations in my chest. A couple days before, warming up on the elliptical, my heart rate watch was registering in the 80's but the monitor on the elliptical was in the 120s. They are usually about the same. I didn't feel any palpitations that time and just figured that either the watch or the elliptical was malfunctioning. I watch this very closely because of my heart valve problems. My BP has been wonky lately, too. Top number high, but bottom number low. That is a symptom of heart failure. Yesterday I walked slowly on the treadmill and did not have any palpitations, but I felt really tired so only did 10 minutes. Last night I felt terrible. Can't think of a word to describe it. My weight was up 5 lbs and my right hand was all puffy, couldn't make a fist. Retaining fluid is another sign of heart failure. I am down 2 lbs as of this AM, feel better, and hand is not puffy. I am watching this closely, but just thought I'd mention it as I might end up in the hospital and wanted you guys to know if I suddenly disappear. If I call the doctor he will tell me to go to the ER. If I go to the ER they will admit me because I am a heart patient. I went through this once before, laid in the hospital for 5 days, and they found nothing but decided to up my blood pressure meds. So I will just watch it for now.

Shannon, the recipe looks good, but DH would still not do it if it was made and frozen, especially with the meat already in it. He prefers my home-made but wants it freshly made. My recipe is really close to yours except I use tomato sauce and paste instead of the tomatoes. I keep jarred sauce in the house for when we need something in a hurry, but it can only be Ragu Old World Style with Mushroom. We tried them all, and that is the one he liked best. I will eat any tomato sauce.

Happy Belated Anniversary! Glad to hear your daughter is doing better. You never know with kids.

Rennie, I do not get pedicures, but I do give them to myself. I have one of those little tubs that you soak your feet in. I was thinking I couldn't feel the touch because of calluses on the bottoms of my feet. I do not get any burning or pain. No sores.

Trish, 15 is almost 19! LOL Either way, something is working for you and that's what counts. I don't understand FBG either. The only thing I notice is that if I truly do not eat anything at all after dinner, my FBG is not much higher than my bedtime reading. One little snack and it's up considerably. This is me. You know we are all different.

Shannonsnail
05-07-2014, 09:25 AM
Another night of being up most of the night...I'm about ready to crack. I'm so tired I'm too tired to boil an omelette....that's really tired. We had a nice anniversary dinner but I ate til I was sick. I used to eat like that all the time...what was I thinking all that time?? I also had a glass of wine (compliments of the wine sommelier) and I rarely drink. I ate way off plan, of course, so I'm going to skip the scale a few days. FBS was 126. My reading have been in the mid to upper 120s lately and they had been in the mid to upper 110s.....need to get back on track with food and get my daughter well so I can get back to more sleep.

Carol Sue i'm worried about you, hope you start feeling back to normal soon.

pattygirl63
05-07-2014, 01:56 PM
Shannon Happy belated Anniversary. Sorry that I forgot to say anything before. Glad you daughter is better, but sorry she is still keeping you up. Hope you can get some rest and feel better soon.

Carol Sue I will praying for you to feel better soon. Don't let things go too long. Maybe you have been exercising a little too much. This morning I got up and my knees were a little sore. I remembered what you said about the amount of veggies you eat affecting your joints. I didn't have one veggie yesterday and I decided today to start watching to see how the amount of veggies affect mine. Please keep us posted as to how you are feeling as you can.

Rennie I love fresh bread too. Most of the time DH will ask them not to bring it to the table. If they do, we always eat more of it than we should. I love the bread sticks at Olive Garden and the bread offered at steakhouses. When we moved to the country when my kids were little, I got the idea that we ate so much bread that I could save money by making my own bread as my recipe made 2 loafs at a time. Didn't take long to find this would never work for us because everybody was sitting at the table with knife and butter ready to eat fresh baked bread and the 5 of us could eat a whole loaf as soon as it came out of the oven. haha Haven't made a loaf since their Daddy passed away.

Well, I kept the 223 for 2 days. It is bouncing between 223.6 and 223.8, but I decided to go ahead and change the ticker. I've decided that eating between 1400 and 1600 calories a day according to MFP... I am supposed to lose about 1 lb a week and that is about what I lost this past week. Just hope I can keep things moving 1 lb a week as that alone would be nice. I guess I could do better if I could do Atkins, but it isn't going to happen before my trip. Maybe I'll be able to do it when I get back from my trip. I think knowing that I can't stay on low carb on my trip is mentally keeping me from doing it. My fbs was back in 120s today. That is just so baffling to me as to how it works. All I know to do is to keep eating as healthy as I know how and hope it will balance out. I am working toward keeping my fiber in as healthy a range as my tummy will tolerate.

So far today has been low carb, but only time will tell how the rest of the day will go.

Y'all have a good day.

Wannabehealthy
05-07-2014, 02:38 PM
Trust me Trish, I have NOT been exercising too much. I feel fine today, just a little tired due to not being able to sleep much. This is just something that happens to me, and I just wanted you guys to be aware of it if I don't post one of these days. I know I always wonder when someone just ups and disappears after being a regular poster. The last time this happened the doc had me wear a heart monitor for 30 days and he said all that showed up was some extra beats here and there. He wasn't concerned. It is just scary to me since I don't know what causes it.

Shannon, I'm glad you had a nice night out. It was a celebration...I'm glad you enjoyed yourself. You will get back on plan. Hope you can get some sleep too, with your little one.

It took me until age 68 to realize I like red and yellow peppers. I have always liked stuffed peppers made with green peppers, but I can't eat raw green peppers because they make me too burpy. I heard that the other colored peppers don't do that and someone suggested I use them with my hummus. I bought some last week and I loved them! Had to buy more today.

pattygirl63
05-07-2014, 03:11 PM
Trust me Trish, I have NOT been exercising too much. I feel fine today, just a little tired due to not being able to sleep much. This is just something that happens to me, and I just wanted you guys to be aware of it if I don't post one of these days. I know I always wonder when someone just ups and disappears after being a regular poster. The last time this happened the doc had me wear a heart monitor for 30 days and he said all that showed up was some extra beats here and there. He wasn't concerned. It is just scary to me since I don't know what causes it.

So glad you are feeling better. DH has had atrifib (sp) for a long time until we figured how to control it on our own, but it never showed up on the monitor when he wore it. I know it was very scary for him too. Sometimes he was even afraid to go to sleep. We finally learned by accident that if he took magnesium or eats nuts that he doesn't have them. Of course, I'm not suggesting that for you, it's just how that worked for him. Just glad you are feeling better.

love2b150
05-07-2014, 03:28 PM
Carol Sue, they get all of that off your feet and they will feel so much better, I promise you. I use to have hard skin around the edges of my heels. My husband bought me a pet egg at my request and I must admit it works wonders but nothing like when the nail techs do it. CAROL SUE FORGIVE ME, I'M NOT HAPPY ... PLEASE DON'T WAIT ON GOING TO THE DOCTOR. You just told us about your husband not wanting to go and now you are doing it also. Please just have yourself checked out. :hug: My Auntie had to wear a heart monitor for a bit ... Glad to hear you are feeling better today, but I still think you should inform your doctor. We are ALL concerned about you so please let us know if you contact the doctor :hug: I buy red pepper hummus, so so good :)

Shannon, glad you enjoyed your evening, sorry about the sick feeling. :hug: I hope Olivia feels better soon and you get some much needed rest :hug:

LOL Trish that's what use to happen when my family made bread, rolls or biscuits. I don't bake like that thank goodness :D I hate the kneading and waiting :) So far my day has been low carb also ... we can do it :crossed:

My fbs was 127 this morning, had a great 4lb water drop on the scale so I am happy. Hope I can keep this up :)

Shannonsnail
05-07-2014, 08:02 PM
This lack of sleep is not helping with my food choices....hoping for a better day tomorrow!

pattygirl63
05-07-2014, 08:38 PM
Well, I didn't do low carb all day. But the strange thing is that I have eaten what I wanted at lunch and dinner, but filled up quick and ended up not eating it all and putting it down the garbage disposal. Stayed within the calories, a little more carbs, but within the percentage I planned and fiber is pretty good too. I'm through eating for the day.

I am actually bored with food and having a hard time even thinking about what to eat or even deciding what to cook. I just don't want to be bothered with it. Don't want to shop for food or have anything to do with it right now. :dizzy: Don't know how long this will last but I will hope to be able to make it work for me right now.

Already tired. I slept good, but stayed up too late and didn't want to get up this morning.

Shannon I sure hope you get a good nights sleep tonight and feel better tomorrow.

Carol Sue Hope you are feeling a lot better and having no more palpitations.

Rennie Hope everything went good for you today.

Everybody Else :wave:

Wannabehealthy
05-08-2014, 08:17 AM
Good morning. I was able to fall back to sleep this morning and got 2 addtl hours sleep. That should make a difference.

Rennie, good for you on the 4 lb drop and the FBG! I saw you posting in the 150s thread. So proud of you!

I am watching this heart thing. My cadiologist told me the 2 things to watch for are fatigue and shortness of breath. I have had neither of these. The palpitations are scary, but I HAVE had them checked out twice in the past couple years and both times they were not an issue. It only happens for a few seconds at a time. I am not ignoring it, but just waiting to see how long they continue and if there are any other unusual symptoms. I do appreciate your concern.

Trish, not thinking about food is a good indication that you are changing your eating habits. I am always thinking about food. Every once in a while I am out somewhere and forget about lunch. That is always so surprising to me when I realize that I'm hungry! IE still does not come naturally to me. I have to work at it.

Shannon, I make poor food choices also when I am tired. It's like I'm trying to find something to give me some energy when what I really need is sleep. I hope you get some soon. Does your daughter nap in the afternoon? Is her tummy feeling better?

My blood sugar was a little high when I went to bed. 145. I was not hungry, but I wanted to eat something. I fought off that urge and when I got up this morning I was at 147. So I am now pretty sure that no evening eating is helping with the dawn phenomenon. I know 147 is not a good fasting number, but I am focusing on the fact that it did not go up twice during the night when I did not eat in the evening. All this time I have been listening to the people who say a snack in the evening will improve FBG. LOL

I just clicked through my history on my meter, and before 4/1 the readings were all above 200, so I have improved it, even though it's still not perfect.

love2b150
05-08-2014, 09:49 AM
Shannon can you take a nap during the day? It will help you at night also. I pray Olivia sleeps so that you can sleep. Hope you have a better day today :hug:

Trish I've felt like this so many times --> I am actually bored with food and having a hard time even thinking about what to eat or even deciding what to cook. I just don't want to be bothered with it. Don't want to shop for food or have anything to do with it right now. I had a great day thank you :) We have Bible study on Wednesday's. Having my spirit fed always brings me joy and needed peace :)

:hug: Carol Sue :hug: I know you'll do what you feel/know is right :hug: That 4lbs at once was a shock but doing something right made a difference. I book marked the 150's thread and the people that are there are so nice. I'm not quite there yet but I soon hope to be :) You've done very well with your fbs, proud of you :hug:



Ladies, I saw a new low 159.4 :) My fbs was 140 not good! I was gonna eat a baked potato last night after church but I didn't. I made it then wrapped it and put it in the fridge. Instead I ate crustless pepperoni pizza and a grapefruit. Going to a movie today so I hope the popcorn doesn't mess me up since I'm eating it early in the day, have a pass that gives popcorn and a drink. One of my evening weaknesses was/is popcorn and it use to get me every time with the water gain on the scale. Hoping to keep the numbers going down the rest of the week and get my fbs in order :crossed:

pattygirl63
05-08-2014, 11:51 AM
Rennie Great on the new low 159.4:carrot:. I know about that fbs really sucks when you think it should be better because of the weight loss. I had a new low this morning of 222.8 exactly 1 lb lower than yesterday. My fbs was 129 yesterday so I thought great weight down and bp good and the stupid fbs was149 :?::dizzy: Like I said just doesn't really make sense to me. However, I suddenly realized that maybe since we lose some and seem to stall while our body adjusts, just maybe when we have the bounce with the fbs when we lose is the body adjusting too. I think there are just more going on here than we know. Anyway, I do believe that if we continue to do the best we can and get the weight off that the fbs will finally balance out and catch up. I just don't really want to have to live on Atkins Induction for the rest of my life to do it. Which makes me wonder how bad do I really want this. If AI was the only way to be healthy for me, wouldn't I want be willing to do it? I just don't understand my thinking.

I had a cousin who was born with T-1 diabetes. I was only around her a few times, but she would sneak around and get candy bars to eat. I remember thinking as we got older why she didn't take her condition more seriously. She finally went blind before she died. She would tell me, I know I'm not supposed to have candy but I don't care, I eat it any way. She and her brother both had T-1 and he lost limbs etc. That puzzled me when they had the attitude they had and I have to say that even today my attitude puzzles me. Like a little kid, I try to find a way around being able to have what I want without hurting myself. I get so angry with myself.

Carol Sue I don't know why I didn't think of this yesterday. I don't have heart problems, but sometimes if I get too much caffeine, I get palpitations and I've heard of other like DH DD has a valve problem and she does the same thing when she drinks too much coffee which she does a lot. Have you had any extra caffeine from any where lately? Just a thought. Maybe it is something you are eating or drinking.

Shannon Hope you got some much needed rest last night and that you little sweetheart is feeling better.

I looked at the IanG fish thread and got some ideas for food for my trip. You know low carb diets says you shouldn't eat smoked oysters etc., but I love them so I could take them on my trip to eat for snacks or in place of breakfast. I might get some instant plain oatmeal and those and have them for breakfast. I'm finding that a really good breakfast seems to keep me balanced on eating throughout the day.

I had a low carb breakfast this morning, but then breakfast isn't always difficult to do. I'm giving up the bacon and switching to the Jimmy Dean's turkey lowfat sausage. I thought about doing South Beach but it is low fat diet and while I lose pretty good on lowfat, I don't think it is healthy. However, I can do SBD using healthy fats. So may as well take the best of Atkins and the best of SBD and create my own way of doing it. That way I choose the lowfat products I will or can use and use the healthy fats in place of the others.

Y'all were discussing which fats to use butter or margarine etc the other day. I asked my doctor about that. He said it doesn't really matter which one I use, it how much I use. He the main thing to remember is that you are not supposed to use a whole lot of any of it.

Well, got to get busy around here. Here's to hopefully a healthy lower carb day for me. At least that is what I'm shooting for. Maybe I will be able to get into the 2teens by the time I go to see my doc and take my trip. I am keeping up with my numbers on MFP and tracking does help keep me exercising and staying within 1400 to 1500 cals a day.

Ruthie and Fatmad Miss you two.

Restless
05-08-2014, 05:43 PM
It's only been a week that Ive set my mind straight and implemented being 200% serious about losing as much weight as possible as fast as possible.---HEALTHY.

Im checking my blood sugars every couple hours and particularly around when I eat, first thing on waking up, at work, at home, just before bed. I think ONE morning it was 200 and I KNEW it would be...it was a week ago tonight. I had made homemade pizza for the fiance' and we totally enjoyed it--too much so!! Outside of that specific morning...my fasting blood sugars have been anywhere from 47 to 101. ( a lil sip of ACV or a half ounce of cashews helps a LOT) The highest it's been during the day time is 121. Ive really reigned it in and hope to continue it (NOT the 47 though)

Im working diligently at keeping my calories at less than / at / or near 1200 with 8 - 12 bottles of water each day. Ive limited carbs to less than 100 in a day. I am struggling to get my protein up so I tried eating some nuts / cashews and that aint happening. I cant leave it at "just" 1 oz so I had the fiance' hide them. I wont bother to look for em, I just need em out of my site / reach.

I am finding that I have no appetite and almost literally have to make myself eat. Fortunately for me I have a fiance' that does all the cooking and clean up so I dont even have to go into the kitchen and risk snacking on something I shouldnt.;)

Next week I want to start incorporating some exercise, gently at first of course. Maybe toss some weights around, walk a little more at work, things like that.

Do any of you find you have trouble sleeping or are ALWAYS cold now? I dont often get much more than a couple hours of sleep at night. How I manage to work full time plus is a miracle to me but thank GOD I can. This being cold thing is so new to me as well. Ive been overheated for 4 years now ever since my apartment flooded. Apparently there was unseen mold as an aftermath even though we had the place professionally taken care of. I ended up getting an infection and landed in the hospital for a week. Now I overreact to ANY degree of heat and Im super short of breath and have UARS and SDB. I use O2 when Im home and I hafta use a BiPap with O2 bled into it at night or I cant sleep.

Sorry people, I didnt mean to ramble (which I tend to do when I have a bad headache / migraine.

I wish for all of you...much success in this wild and crazy weight loss journey. Eat healthy, move more, forgive easily, love hard

pattygirl63
05-08-2014, 06:52 PM
It's only been a week that Ive set my mind straight and implemented being 200% serious about losing as much weight as possible as fast as possible.---HEALTHY.

Im checking my blood sugars every couple hours and particularly around when I eat, first thing on waking up, at work, at home, just before bed. I think ONE morning it was 200 and I KNEW it would be...it was a week ago tonight. I had made homemade pizza for the fiance' and we totally enjoyed it--too much so!! Outside of that specific morning...my fasting blood sugars have been anywhere from 47 to 101. ( a lil sip of ACV or a half ounce of cashews helps a LOT) The highest it's been during the day time is 121. Ive really reigned it in and hope to continue it (NOT the 47 though)

Im working diligently at keeping my calories at less than / at / or near 1200 with 8 - 12 bottles of water each day. Ive limited carbs to less than 100 in a day. I am struggling to get my protein up so I tried eating some nuts / cashews and that aint happening. I cant leave it at "just" 1 oz so I had the fiance' hide them. I wont bother to look for em, I just need em out of my site / reach.

I am finding that I have no appetite and almost literally have to make myself eat. Fortunately for me I have a fiance' that does all the cooking and clean up so I dont even have to go into the kitchen and risk snacking on something I shouldnt.;)

Next week I want to start incorporating some exercise, gently at first of course. Maybe toss some weights around, walk a little more at work, things like that.

Do any of you find you have trouble sleeping or are ALWAYS cold now? I dont often get much more than a couple hours of sleep at night. How I manage to work full time plus is a miracle to me but thank GOD I can. This being cold thing is so new to me as well. Ive been overheated for 4 years now ever since my apartment flooded. Apparently there was unseen mold as an aftermath even though we had the place professionally taken care of. I ended up getting an infection and landed in the hospital for a week. Now I overreact to ANY degree of heat and Im super short of breath and have UARS and SDB. I use O2 when Im home and I hafta use a BiPap with O2 bled into it at night or I cant sleep.

Sorry people, I didnt mean to ramble (which I tend to do when I have a bad headache / migraine.

I wish for all of you...much success in this wild and crazy weight loss journey. Eat healthy, move more, forgive easily, love hard


Restless I used to have trouble sleeping until I started exercising and being more active. You have a good plan and hopefully as you start adding exercise and activity to your plan you will be able to sleep better. I can't say about the cold. We moved to S.C. from FL and it took me years to get to the place I wasn't freezing especially in the winter time, I thought I would never get warm the first few yrs that we lived here. Sorry I can't help you there.

pattygirl63
05-08-2014, 07:06 PM
I've had a good day today. Ate less than 80 g carbs and calories are in the low 15o 00s. I guess I'm kind of eating Intuitively although I'm not really going to name it as that always ends bad for me. However, for now I'm eating what I want and eating only as much as I want and no more. Today I didn't finish my lunch and dinner was more of a snack. I read about the sardines on the fish guys thread and I had a can of sardines in olive oil that DH SIL left here when the kids moved. I liked sardines when I was a teen and ate them with my girl friends Dad, but when I moved out on my own and bought a can of them they had the heads/eyes on them. Yuck!!! I threw them away. I decided to open these that the kids left deciding if they had the heads on them I would just ditch them. Well they didn't so I ate them. Well, there may be some in the sauces that are good, but I didn't like the after taste. So I won't be buying them or eating them again. I ate a small bag of chips with them. Accomplishment... I never eat 2 bags, but decided that I wanted two so got an extra bag. However, when I got half way through the one bag, I realized that I really didn't want the 2nd bag and put it back in cabinet. Another thing that I'm noticing has changed. I eat a small amount of cashews each day, but I'm finding that I don't eat many of them any more. Just not eating as much as I used to. I just hope this continues.

I used to hear that a lot of people just don't eat much when the climate gets warmer and I really hope that is what is going on with me.

Shannonsnail
05-08-2014, 07:37 PM
Sounds like you are off to a great start Restless! :bravo:

Rennie this might be an option with the 20% off coupons they mail out all the time
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/veggetti-spiral-vegetable-cutter/1042545910?device=c&network=g&matchtype&mcid=PS_googlepla_nonbrand_none_&gclid=CPydgtW-nb4CFe9r7Aodx2wAXg

I got a little more sleep last night, hoping for more tonight. Olivia finally seems to be improving after dose #3 of 10 of the antibiotic. I'm still really tired so it will be another early bedtime for me. Better food choices today so hopefully that will continue tomorrow.

Hope everyone is well :hug:

Wannabehealthy
05-09-2014, 06:30 AM
I screwed up again last night. My glucose was 85 at bedtime. Being afraid of going low during the night, I ate 2 pepper strips and a Tbs of peanut butter. 147 this morning. If that little bit of food did that, what would a slice of bread do? LOL Once it gets below 100 I panic. I guess that's because I was over 200 for so long.

Rennie, I love grapefruit but I'm not allowed to have it because I take a statin. My cardiologist said go ahead and eat it, but I don't think that's right. When I worked at the pharmacy I looked it up and it definately is a warning for statin drugs. The one place I read not to drink large quantities of grapefruit juice, such as a qt or more per day, but I asked a pharmacist and he said stay away from it totally. Occasionally I will buy one of those little cups of grapefruit sections and eat 1 or 2 sections per day. I really love it, especially pink grapefruit.

Shannon, that looks like an interesting gadget. What veggie would you use it with? We don't go to BBB very often because it's off the beaten path for us, but really not far. Maybe 8-10 miles. Just in a direction we don't usually go.

Restless, that 47 would really scare me. I read on another board that some people get hypoglycemia with type 2. I guess I don't have that because I never go low unless my meds cause it.

Being cold all the time is a sign of underactive thyroid. There are other symptoms too, like constipation. Not trying to diagnose...just mentioning it.

Trish, I love sardines. I buy them in water and eat them with horseradish mustard. No heads! LOL They say it's healthy to eat the bones, but I won't eat them.

The caffeine could definately be the problem. I have 2 bad valves and I have been drinking a lot more coffee lately than normal. I could cut back. I think I'm supposed to be drinking decaffeinated, anyway. I never thought about it, thanks for bringing it up! Less coffee...more water!

I dug out my Atkins books to look through. I have Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution and also New Atkins for a New You. All I really did was read through the foods on induction. I could do it, but I probably won't. I don't want to give up my beans or tomatoes. I don't eat a lot of tomatoes and maybe I could give them up for 2 weeks, but I'm not so sure about the beans. The biggest problem would be it would have to be a 2 week period during which DH wouldn't want lasagne or spaghetti. Otherwise, I just eat meat and veggies and prepare a starchy carb for him. I just made lasagne recently so if I'm going to try it, now would be the time.

When it says meat is free food, does that mean unlimited? I know the veggies are limited.

EDIT: Today is our wedding anniversary. 33 years of wedded bliss! We aren't doing anything special.

Shannonsnail
05-09-2014, 09:48 AM
Carol Sue i want one to make zucchini noodles. I've been debating various options and can't decide what is the best tool for the money. Congratulations on your anniversary!

My BS was 104 when I got in bed last night and 129 this morning. See below. This lack of sleep is really not going good!!

This is copied from another thread I post on....just too tired to type something new.

I'm still in good spirits but something is going on with my sleep. I said I got a little more sleep night before last but what I didn't say was that I tossed and turned the entire night. I thought it was a fluke but the same thing happened last night. I take melatonin to fall asleep bc having disrupted sleep (due to my daughter) for almost 4 yrs has basically rendered me incapable of falling asleep on my own. I used to think the problem was caffeine but since stopping soda almost 3 mths ago the only caffeine I drink is 1/2 a cup of coffee in the morning so I just don't see how that small amount can cause this problem. I only make decaf tea at home and outside of the coffee and decaf tea, my only other beverage is water. Anyway all that to say that the past two nights I have taken my melatonin as usual but not been able to sleep. Last night in desperation I even took more melatonin around 2 am (had been in bed since 10 pm). I did eventually sleep but probably not til 4 am and my daughter was up at 6:30. Needless to say I am still exhausted. I'm pondering taking a benedryl tonight. The weight I gained is still hanging on. At this point, though I met it previously, I might not meet my chicken goal (a goal of 192 by May 14....another thread goal)

pattygirl63
05-09-2014, 09:56 AM
Carol Sue Happy Anniversary!!!

I think in the beginning that Atkins allowed unlimited amounts of protein, however, in the New Atkins Made Simple book, she says we shouldn't over do the protein/meat. Women need eat only 4 to 6 oz at a meal. I would say what satisfies you.

I'm on the run this morning and today. I just wanted to check in and keep myself accountable. I lost another .2 lbs. Since I don't like the sardines in olive oil, your way might work. However, I love smoked oysters and smoked mussels so I am going to try those and see how that works. Since I've got things moving again and numbers are good, I don't want to mess it up. My fbs was 119 this morning. So hope what I was going through was just a passing thing except for the not being hungry I would like to keep that one.

Well, busy day. Beauty shop, Walmart and then DH and I are headed to Charlotte. So I've got to fly.

Catch y'all later on this evening when things settle down. Lots of walking so exercise is definitely going to happen.

Have a good day everyone:)

chellewainwright
05-09-2014, 10:11 AM
Hi i'm michelle, i am a secret eater and used to lie about what i ate (pointless as you can see how big i am) but have decided to go public and get help.
I am 210 lbs and very unhappy, as well as trying for a baby.
I hope i am not the only one out there :)
I am cutting down on a lot of food ( not stupidly) and need help.
I have tried to do this many times on my own but without success.

Current weight 210 lbs
Goal weight: 140
height: 5'5''
Age 24

Wannabehealthy
05-09-2014, 11:14 AM
Chellewainwright, Welcome! We have all been through this many times, so the best advice I can give you it just keep trying!

First of all, do you know what type of weight loss plan you would like to follow? It helps if you choose a plan that allows you to eat foods that you like. Having to give up favorite foods sets you up to fail. Calorie counting usually allows you to eat whatever you want as long as you stay within your calorie count. Lower calories allows you more food, naturally. Many of us here are doing low carb, because it helps keep our blood sugar under control as well as helping with weight loss.

Also, it's a good idea to start some type of exercise program. If you are not used to exercising, it's best to start out slow, with just walking, and increase your time and intensity as you go along.

Since you have a history of being a secret eater, I think that would constitute an eating disorder. Did you see the section called Chicks in Control? It's devoted to people who have had various eating disorders and are working toward getting them under control. You might find some interesting information there, too.

Here's a link.
http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/chicks-control-64/

Wannabehealthy
05-09-2014, 11:29 AM
Shannon, I am very sorry to hear that you are still sleep deprived. That's a terrible feeling, especially when you have a 4 year old who takes top priority. If I had any good advice I wouldn't be having the same problem.....difference is, I can take a nap once in a while and don't have a child to care for. I hope you are able to find a solution soon. I think it causes stress not knowing if you're going to get some sleep, and that makes it worse.

I think I would like to use some type of tool like that but don't know what vegetable I would use. It would be nice to have something else to put my sauce on when DH wants spaghetti.

Trish, I posed the same question on the Atkins board regarding the unlimited protein and haven't received an answer yet. I remember when I did it years ago, I lost no matter how much meat I ate, as long as I didn't eat carbs. On WW, fruits and veggies are free foods, but it also says they are not unlimited. My Atkins book didn't say one way or another.

Wannabehealthy
05-09-2014, 05:47 PM
Trish, JerseyGirl from the Atkins board said that the original Atkins does not give a quantity of protein, but instead just emphasizes the vegetable quantities. I forgot all about it and ate tomatoes today, so I don't know if I can actually do true induction.

I did very well today, but it's only 5:30 and I'm finished eating. This morning I had a deviled egg when I got up. Then DH wanted McDonald's so I had 2 Egg McMuffins without the muffins. I cut them up and threw they out for the birds. I was very proud of myself for that. I had some kale with mushroom, onions and feta cheese for lunch, and for dinner we got take out. I had a baked fish sandwich, lettuce, tomato and onion, without the bun. The birds are really getting well fed. LOL DH got fried fish and mac and cheese. They gave him 2 rolls, which he never eats. Their rolls are absolutely excellent. I wrapped them up well and put them in the freezer. Out of sight, out of mind. But the next time I just HAVE to have some bread, it will be one of those rolls, which will be really worth it! LOL

So I feel that I did really well today, as long as I don't eat anything else. Oh, I had a banana mid afternoon. We rarely buy them. I thought it would spike me but it didn't.

I am looking forward to seeing what the scale and BS meter have to say in the morning.

I had 2 cups of coffee before I read your post about the caffeine, and only water since then. I would like to have another cup, but won't.

Shannonsnail
05-09-2014, 09:33 PM
I'm trying my usual melatonin tonight plus 1 benedryl....hopefully I sleep. I had an on plan day but my BS is 120 tonight. That isn't "high" but it was alot lower last night and I ate about the same....weird, I don't pretend to understand it!

Wannabehealthy
05-10-2014, 08:12 AM
I went to bed without eating anything else. BS was at 90, but I was not concerned about a low because I had not taken glimiperide. I slept until 1AM. I laid there until 3 AM. Very tired, but could not sleep. I was starving, and I had a headache. So I got up and took Tylenol and ate a hard boiled egg and checked my BS. 95. I fell back to sleep and slept until 7 AM. FBG 115. I'll gladly take that. I do not recommend eating in the middle of the night, but apparently I did not have enough for dinner last night, because what I was feeling was true hunger! Weight was 195 this morning. I think I was 196 the last time I weighed, but someone moved the balance beam on my scale. One more lb to get back to my ticker weight.

I'm drinking a cup of coffee, but plan on switching to water after this.

Shannon, I'm waiting to hear if you slept well. I sure hope so! Benedryl will put me to sleep, but only keep me asleep for 3 hours. There's no pill so far that keeps me asleep all night. I usually get about 5 hours total with waking up here and there.

kris2008
05-10-2014, 08:53 AM
Hopefully no Shannon this morning means she's sleeping!

I tested out some yoga dvds this morning to find a gentle one for a friend with back problems. I too have some hip/back issues but nothing like my friend. I cannot tell you how calm and peaceful I feel right now. I love yoga when I do it. I just never do more than a few downward dogs and other stretches to help my back every day. Never take the time for breathing, calming full body yoga. I'm fortunate to have many wonderful yoga dvds. Love Rodney Yee! New resolution - some real yoga every day. Should also help with appetite.

Carol Sue - You know a lot about your heart health issues and you are very observant. Please don't wait if you feel you might need medical attention. Sounds like you are doing everything you can to help yourself.

Later gators!

Wannabehealthy
05-10-2014, 09:21 AM
Kris, I have never done yoga. It wasn't in vogue when I was younger, and now if I got into some of those positions I would need a crane to get me back out of them! LOL I have heard it is very calming.

Believe me, I didn't learn about my health issues from medical professions. They tell you "You have such and such, take this pill." I always want to know WHY I have it, what the pill will do, and what other options are available to treat it. I do a lot of research online, while at the same time realizing that not all of what you read on the internet is good information.
My mother had high blood pressure. The doctor gave her blood pressure meds. She took them, they made her sick, she quit taking them. End of story. Never went back to the doctor. I realize now that she might have lived longer if she took better care of herself.

Shannonsnail
05-10-2014, 11:00 AM
The benedryl worked and I slept, thank God! I am very sensitive to stuff like that which is why I know to take 1....2 will knock me out til the afternoon. I still had to get up with my daughter twice but thankfully neither of those wakings took long and she finally slept til her usual time of 7:30 (instead of 6-6:30) so I probably got 8 hrs of sleep at least....that's double and triple what I've been getting this week so I'm happy. I will try to get to bed early again tonight.

FBS was 117 today, a slight improvement. I ate a biscuit today at bojangles. I haven't had a biscuit in a long time. I was really hungry. My stomach started hurting after I ate it though. I was in a bad mood bc of hubby and probably wasn't the best time for me to make food decisions. Oh well.... We are heading out to pick strawberries today. Hope everyone has a good day!

P.S. Rennie, come out come out!

pattygirl63
05-10-2014, 02:33 PM
Shannon Glad the Benadryl did the trick. In fact, I'm much like you in the fact that I can't take but 1 as 2 makes me groggy most of the next day. I had forgotten about using them because I don't take any meds I don't have to take. I don't like sleeping pills. Doc had told me to take Melatonin, but they got to where I had to take more and they left me so wiped out the next day that I stopped taking them. The 1 Benadryl works nicely.

Carol Sue Your numbers were really good without the Glimepride. I think it is good to eat only when hungry so that's probably why it didn't hurt the fbs for you to eat something in the night. We are so much a like. I too don't like take any meds if I can do the same thing with food or suppliments. My DH had a heart condition that the doctor's couldn't fix without surgery. Because we had only medicare no one wanted to help him. His daughter and I researched and I put him on a regimen that I found that a cardiac specialist used to help his heart patients. We went to see that doctor and he would not take my hubby as a patient. I asked him if the suppliments he used would help my husband and he said "I don't think it will help, but it won't hurt". A few yrs ago when DH had to have prostate surgery to remove a cancer the surgeon sent him to his cardiologist for approval for surgery. The doctor came in and said "I know you had this heart problem because I can see it in the records, but all I can tell you now is that it is gone. I can't fine it any more". And he approved the surgery. DH has had other problems but with medication and suppliments even approved by his doctors and some prescribed by doctors... he is doing so much better. So doctor's don't know everything but I am so thankful for those who are interested enough to at least try and are willing to work with us. Our primary just recently told us that he is amazed at how DH has improved.

I got hungry last night just a little bit before I went to bed. I guess I should have just gone to bed like I do a lot of times to keep from eating, but I decided to experiment with the South Beach protein snack bar I bought to see how my body responds to it. It doesn't mention sugar alcohol so I wasn't sure if sugar was real sugar or what. It didn't affect me like the sugar alcohol so I'm not sure what it is, but something in it gave me indigestion. So I will use them sparingly or give them to DH DIL when we go to see them. It didn't help my fbs either as it was 141 this morning, but the nice thing that I'm down .2 lbs. I never thought I would be so happy to see the movements down of .2 at a time, but just to know that the scale is moving downward is truly a blessing to me.

Kris and Rennie :wave: Hi

Well, I've put off making lunch as long as I can now. The guys are getting hungry so I'll catch y'all later.

Wannabehealthy
05-10-2014, 05:37 PM
Shannon, I am so glad the Benedryl helped you! I might try it tonight. What I have isn't real Benedryl, it's the store brand from Dollar General.

Guess what I bought today? A Veggetti! It was an impulse buy at WalMart. I went in for some other things I needed and I always look through the As Seen OnTV items. It was either $14.99 or $16.99, I don't remember. I guess I will try it with zucchini. It might get me to like zucchini other than zucchini cake or zucchini fries.

I had another good on plan day today. I think yesterday would have been better if I had eaten more vegetables, so I think I will eat some this evening, just not right before bedtime. I don't want to wake up hungry again tonight.

I'm already concerned about tomorrow. I really don't like Mother's Day. My step-children come to see me and bring me a card and a hanging basket. It's nice of them to do that because I am not their birth mother and she has passed away. I make something small for lunch. Tomorrow it is going to be Sloppy Joe's and a pasta/veggie salad. I'm also going to make a recipe my step daughter gave me called Corn Salsa. It's a can of corn, can of black beans, chopped peppers, chopped onion, vinegar and sugar. You serve it with tortilla chips. I know I will be tempted to eat a sandwich and some pasta salad, even though I don't want to. Maybe if I eat a big breakfast I will be able to pass on the lunch.

I hope they realize that their Dad doesn't feel well and they don't stay too long. He would never tell them he didn't feel good, he would just sit here and suffer. He is getting a little bit better, gradually, but he still has pain and probably will have that for a while. I feel so bad for him. It's really not like him to be laying around. We don't even make the bed anymore because he doesn't stay out of it more than a couple hours.

I'm glad your DH got things taken care of and is doing so well. I'm wondering if doctors will still be able to refuse to treat people now that this new Insurance system is started. We never had that problem, but my SIL did. She had everything wrong with her. She eventually passed away.

I will probably be back on here tomorrow, but if not, I hope everyone has a good Mother's Day.

Wannabehealthy
05-11-2014, 07:46 AM
I just HAD to stop in this morning to change my ticker! Back down to 194 this morning. I will be in the 180s before I know it!! :dancer:

FBS was 121. I don't know if it was because I ate some vegetables in the evening or when I was making the pasta salad I tasted a couple of the rotini to be sure it was cooked enough. After I made it I didn't think it was going to be enough so I cooked some more pasta. Had to check twice! :cbg: Or maybe I caught what Rennie has......FBG goes up, when weight goes down!

kris2008
05-11-2014, 08:20 AM
Yea Carol Sue! I had to rush here to change my ticker too! Felt a bit crazy until I saw I wasn't the only one!

155.8 but I'm only changing my ticker from 157 to 156. I'm sure I'll bounce back up a bit during the week. Especially since I had a very low carb day yesterday and I'm sure some of this is water weight. But 155!!!! I haven't been this low in 20 years. (I am a short person.) FBS was not as low as I thought it would be at 119. Relatively speaking though, it's such an improvement over the all time high of 204 a week ago after my pizza binge!

Happy Mothers' Day!

Restless
05-11-2014, 09:00 AM
Kris...what it is about that dang pizza driving FBS up like that? A week ago Friday mine was 201....after having had homemade pizza the night before. It hasnt been over 100 since....not even during the day.

Good Luck

kris2008
05-11-2014, 09:08 AM
Restless - I haven't had many processed carbs since diagnosed 2 months ago. Pizza and some pumpernickel bread. Won't be doing that pizza again! That was scary. The pumpernickel bread raised my FBS a bit but I had had 4 slices the night before - two sandwiches. I think if I stuck to 1 or 2 slices, I could have it once in a while. I know pasta raises mine because I always want to take a nap afterward - I won't be eating that anymore. I haven't tried brown rice or oatmeal yet.

I'm more concerned with fitting fruit into my diet than grainy carbs - more nutrients and it's nice to have some sweetness.

Restless
05-11-2014, 09:20 AM
Restless - I haven't had many processed carbs since diagnosed 2 months ago. Pizza and some pumpernickel bread. Won't be doing that pizza again! That was scary. The pumpernickel bread raised my FBS a bit but I had had 4 slices the night before - two sandwiches. I think if I stuck to 1 or 2 slices, I could have it once in a while. I know pasta raises mine because I always want to take a nap afterward - I won't be eating that anymore. I haven't tried brown rice or oatmeal yet.

I'm more concerned with fitting fruit into my diet than grainy carbs - more nutrients and it's nice to have some sweetness.

I was diagnosed in 1999 and grabbed pretty good control right outta the gate.

To this day I avoid all bread and pasta as a rule. Yes I slip now and then but very seldom. Either of those send my sugars thru the roof in a flash. Without them Ive gotten my A1C reduced to 5 from 7.2. I take insulin because according to my reactions the oral meds about kill me. I hope in time to get rid of both. My blood pressures and everything else is great and always has been...thankfully.

I do eat a LOT of fruits and vegies. Summer time is mine....I love all the fresh vegies and fruits as they become available. Id give up every other food I enjoy for my fruits and vegies.

I wish you much luck in your journey and if the need every occurs and you'd like to talk ...feel free to holler at me

chellewainwright
05-11-2014, 09:38 AM
Hi wannabehealthy thanks for the advice and sorry for my late reply. I'm currently eating small portions and having snacks like Apple with organic peanutbutter or carrot sticks with humus. It seems to be working as I have already lost 3 lbs since starting this healthy eating. At the moment I have started doing 15 mins on the exercise bike.
Just have to keep going!

Wannabehealthy
05-11-2014, 01:56 PM
Chellewainwright - You are doing good! The small healthy meals are the way to go! Gradually increase your exercise time and you won't get sore or burned out.

Restless, I think pizza is bad because of the crust. Maybe one of those thin crunchy crusts would be OK.

Kris, I had lasagne last week and it didn't spike me too bad, but I ate a lot of veggies with it.

I am not real big on fruit. I eat some, but for me it's mostly vegetables.

love2b150
05-11-2014, 10:31 PM
Happy Mother's Day to ALL of the MOMS here :hug:

Carol Sue, Trish and Shannon, my A1c results = 6.4 .... much much better than my 10.5 ... I'm happy.

Shannonsnail
05-11-2014, 10:46 PM
Happy Mother's Day to ALL of the MOMS here :hug:

Carol Sue, Trish and Shannon, my A1c results = 6.4 .... much much better than my 10.5 ... I'm happy.

Great news Rennie!

It has been a really long tiring weekend and I have been 100% OFF plan for several days on end. I need a restart tomorrow.

Happy Mother's Day and sweet dreams!

love2b150
05-11-2014, 11:02 PM
Great news Rennie!

It has been a really long tiring weekend and I have been 100% OFF plan for several days on end. I need a restart tomorrow.

Happy Mother's Day and sweet dreams!

Thanks Shannon my weekend has been tiring also not really sure why and I have had a headache for the last three days. Not sure what's causing them. TOM arrived in full swing and my eating has been all to satisfy the cravings so scale is up along with my fbs. I am hoping to do a restart tomorrow also ... We can do it together :hug:

Sweet Dreams to you also. How is Olivia?

Wannabehealthy
05-12-2014, 08:06 AM
Yay Rennie!! I was SURE you were going to get good results with the changes you had made. I hope my results are similar. Not til the end of June, though. I think I am going to make sure to schedule each A1c in advance. I think I pay $25 out of pocket. Knowing that I have to get bloodwork keeps me in line. I did however really screw up big time yesterday, and the food wasn't that good. I am definately going to have to follow a different path for Father's Day. The corn salsa was wonderful, but I entered the ingredients in Fitday this morning and it's high in carbs, even though it has the fiber from the beans. Plus it's eaten with tortilla chips. My biggest problem was I ate two SloppyJoe sandwiches, with buns and some pasta salad. I made it with canned sloppy joe sauce and I will never buy that again. It's just not worth it. It contains high fructose corn syrup. I never read the can before. I took a glimiperide because I knew I was going to eat carbs, but it did not matter. I was full, so I didn't eat dinner, but in the evening my BS was 317. I am so angry with myself. Why did I think I could do that? That is going to really effect my A1c. I will have to stay perfect for the next 2 months to counteract that. I made scrambled egg beaters and took my evening glimiperide and this morning was back to 111. I think I'm going to take a picture of my meter showing the 317 and post it on the refrigerator. 317! Geez!

And I'm back to 195, to boot. Will somebody give me a nice hard smack in the head? LOL

Shannon, it seems we all need to restart today!

Shannonsnail
05-12-2014, 09:09 AM
For the first time since starting I have a gain this week for my weekly weigh in. It's actually only 0.6 from last week but it's almost 3 lbs from my lowest weight during the week. Oh well....that's what happens when you eat like a crazy person I guess, lol. Hoping for a good restart and on plan week to counteract the past week's "carbicide". Fortunately there are no more celebrations for 8 days so maybe I can do it! I need to plan my meals for the week and get my grocery list together but first, breakfast!

Rennie she is improving but still congested. I have the crud too but it hasn't progressed enough for me to go to the dr, i'm watching it closely though.

kris2008
05-12-2014, 09:22 AM
Congrats Rennie on the low A1C!

FBS 106 this morning but not unexpected as I ate few carbs and not many calories yesterday and exercised. When you get in that low-carb zone, you really aren't hungry. Love that -

pattygirl63
05-12-2014, 10:52 AM
Rennie Great bloodwork results. :carrot: You are doing great!!!

Carol Sue I also need a swift kick myself. I bought fried chicken at Walmart for our brunch yesterday because I didn't want to come home and cook eggs. I did eat a salad and broccoli with it and had a salad with a small can of salmon added to it for dinner and used ACV and EVOO in the salads both time and no fat added to broccoli, but then I had a small bag of chips for a snack later. So my weight is up 2 lbs and my fbs was 139 which none of that should be a real surprise.

I am back on plan today. I've been reading a ladies journal which she started in 2004 on a lowcarb site. She has been doing a modified version of SBD/Atkins I think she calls it. I figure someone who has been successful for that long, I can learn from. I can't just switch to SBD right now as I have a lot of cheese with full fat etc and I don't really like going fat free on most stuff any way. However, I'm not sure you have to which is probably the reason for the combo as a guide.

The big thing I notice about her plan is that she doesn't eat a lot of food at one time. She may have celery with pb for a snack, or she has grilled fish and veggies that she cooks on her indoor grill because she lives in NYC. She seems to eat 5 small meals that are more like snacks and most of the time the meals look more like snacks. Which leads me to believe that I just plain eat too much food. Another thing I noticed is that she eats lots of fish. However, unlike the fish man's thread here on 3fc, she eats really nice fish fillets and sushi etc. I could eat the fish fillets but I have no desire to eat sushi or any other kind of raw fish. DH DD loves that stuff, but not me. I've tried some things she likes, but the thought of me eating raw fish makes me gag. LOL Just me. This lady also uses her fish fillets cut up into stir-fry as well.

While I don't really want to eat fish totally, I do know that it is good for me so I think I'm going to start trying to have some sort of fish at one meal everyday. Both Atkins and SBD allows EVOO so I can use that as my oil for the stir fry. I think I will do this until I take my trip and during the trip, I will just do the best that I can. When I come home, I will switch to SBD only because I can learn how to eventually re-introduce some of the other foods like beans. Oh, one of her hard fast rules is absolutely no white flour or sugar. I haven't read far enough in to see what all she does add back into her plan, but then I'm just starting this and not really ready for that part of it any way.

Shannon I saw that Olivia is feeling a little better. Hope the sniffles will be gone soon too.

Chellewainwright, Kris, Restless, Ruthie and Lurkers :wave:

Edited to say: Accoroding to the ticker I'm only up 1.4 lbs, but the sad thing is that Saturday morning, I was down to 222.4. So close to being able to changing to a new low. Oh well, drink lots of water, water, water today.

Wannabehealthy
05-12-2014, 02:14 PM
Trish, be careful about eating fish every day. You have to worry about mercury poisoning. Research the type of fish you are going to buy and see how much mercury it has. I could eat it every day, too.

I am getting ready to put on a turkey breast for dinner. I'm going to cook it in my Halogen Infared Cooker. I've done chicken, but this is the first time for turkey. Supposed to be done in 1 hour and it doesn't heat up the kitchen.

Kris, good for you staying on plan and exercising yesterday. 106 is GREAT!

pattygirl63
05-12-2014, 05:33 PM
Carol Sue Thanks. I have Pacific Cod which is supposed to be better. Although I probably could eat fish everyday, I probably won't because I don't want to get like I did with tuna. Sometimes I can't stand the smell of can tuna or can salmon because it smells too fishy. So I will eat chicken some too. I will also eat other protein. This woman I read about didn't eat eggs or other meats. I would rather keep my eggs in the morning and to keep a variety of protein as well.

I have had a very good day. I wasn't going to keep up with things on MFP but got curious. If I eat the way I am now, I won't eat more than 1300 calories a day and while my carbs won't be 20 grams, they won't be over 60 grams either which is pretty good. My DIL is riding with my DS on 2 week out this time, so I didn't expect to hear from him. However, they called me and talked to me just as I was getting ready to ride my recumbent bike. I usually do 3 miles in about 26 minutes. I got busy talking to them and the next thing I knew, I had done a little over 4 miles in 36 minutes. That is really good and if I can continue to do that 5 days each week before our trip I would be very happy as my exercise will be kind of limited for the 2 weeks we are out. So my week has started good this week.

I hope that when I get in the habit of eating this way that I won't have to keep counting calories. That's one big plus with SBD for me to switch to when we get back home.

Shannonsnail
05-12-2014, 05:54 PM
Carol Sue I got a Vegetti today and made zucchini tonight, sauteed in coconut oil....yum!

Wannabehealthy
05-13-2014, 08:28 AM
Shannon, how did you make your zucchini? Details such as peeled or unpeeled, seeded or unseeded, did you leave the zucchini whole and just twist it in the Vegetti, the way the picture shows? Did it work the way you expected? How long did your strands turn out? Did they stay whole as you worked with them?

pattygirl63
05-13-2014, 10:38 AM
Good Morning Chickies,

Well one day back on low carb and the ticker is correct again and my fbs was 113 this morning. Why of why do I play with this stuff. It is very clear what works. I am just going to have to face the facts and go with it. That is what I'm going to have to do is work on my attitude about all this.

I have my plan for today already posted on MFP. I think knowing I am tracking the food and the exercise on there makes me do what I need to do. I'm not good using things like this on my cell but I guess I need to download the apps for MFP so I can use it on my trip. Calories are a little under 1200 calsories, carbs are 60 g and fiber is 19 g. I've tried to remember how we ate when I lived with my aunt and I lost loads of weight never having problems with potty issues. We didn't cut out any foods, but we ate a lot of veggies especially greens. I notice in keeping track that fish, chicken and veggies especially greens keeps the calories low. Not adding fruit into my diet for a while.

Carol Sue and Shannon I have been looking for the Veggeti at my Walmart for quite some time. They seem to carry the more popular tv sale items that are good. I decided to look up the reviews on Amazon and I just had to order one. One 4 star review said the reason she gave it a four was because it was hard to clean the blades other than in dishwasher or power wash on faucet if you had that. However, one of the 5 star reviews said to use a tooth brush or bottle brush to clean the blades. Just thought I would mention that for future reference if needed here. I'm supposed to get mine Friday which is nice. I usually go to grocery store after beauty shop and can get some zucchini and yellow squash. Since I'm eating only meat and veggies at dinner, this will make a nice treat each day to use as a stir-fry that isn't frozen. Please share how well you like it and any new ideas you have. I think this is going to be a real plus for me. If I like it, it just may become a birthday present for my Daddy.

Catch y'all later. Hope we all have a great OP day.

Shannonsnail
05-13-2014, 01:55 PM
Shannon, how did you make your zucchini? Details such as peeled or unpeeled, seeded or unseeded, did you leave the zucchini whole and just twist it in the Vegetti, the way the picture shows? Did it work the way you expected? How long did your strands turn out? Did they stay whole as you worked with them?

Carol Sue I did not peel mine (but you can) and I left the seeds in and used the entire thing other than chopping the two ends off (left whole and twisted it like the picture). I read a blog saying the "core" did not make good zoodles but I didn't notice any difference from one strand to another when I ate it. When you are done you end up with a couple small pieces that are twisty looking, I just tossed those. The strands are very long, like two pieces of spaghetti together so when I was done I chopped mine up a little. I did have to use the little holder thing towards the end but that worked fine. I used the "thin" end so I can't say anything about the other side yet. I read a couple recipes but didn't want to attempt anything complicated on my first try so I just sauteed them in a little coconut oil, maybe 4 minutes. It brings out the color more when you heat them. Then I had read you need to salt them in a sieve or colander to get the liquid out....I did that but not really sure if it was necessary. They lose their warmth kind of quickly so right before dinner I threw them back in the pan for a minute with a splash of heavy cream. Hubby likes zucchini but he did not like the zoodles. I thought they were good. As far as cleaning Trish is right, the blades are very sharp and they have these tiny openings where the noodles form which get food particles stuck in them. I rinsed the Vegetti really well with my sink sprayer and used a toothpick to push a few pieces through. It was not a big deal, just be careful not to touch the blades. It is dishwasher safe but I was satisfied that it was clean and did not run it through.

Wannabehealthy
05-13-2014, 01:56 PM
Trish, I also have accepted that low carb is the only way for me. Every time I stray from low carb I get poor blood sugar readings. I can do IF or IE, WW....but it has to be low carb at the same time.

I haven't tried my Vegetti yet. I don't have a dishwasher, so I hope I don't have problems cleaning it.

Shannon, we were typing at the same time! It's funny, but I don't like zucchini, but I think I will like it made into noodles. I don't like radishes, but my husband slices them tissue paper thin on a mandolin and I like them like that.

Shannonsnail
05-13-2014, 02:14 PM
So, my daughter is mostly better at this point but I am still not feeling great. I'm not sure yet if I also have a sinus infection...just waiting it out right now. I've mostly lost my voice and am coughing alot, very tired/run down. Of course, life goes on so what did I do in the 90 degree sun today while Olivia was in preschool? Mow the yard and trim the other set of hedges, close to 2 hrs in the heat. Talk about feeling like crud! The grass was way too tall already and our yard waste pick up is tomorrow, otherwise I would have waited til another day. Next year I need to remember to do the hedges before the heat starts. I might even do them before the first mowing, it really wears me out. Next week is the last week of preschool so I'm trying to get as much done as I can....it is kind of stressing me out, lol!

As far as diet goes, I keep trying to get back on track but I'm having a hard time. Ever since I let myself have those first carb heavy meals a couple weekends ago when I was out of town it has been a struggle. Before I really had no cravings and it didn't even bother me to have junk around. Now, I am having to exercise more will power and I am often failing. But, I keep trying. The scale was up even more this morning. It is kind of depressing but I'm just trying to focus on stringing enough mostly on plan days together to turn things around and get moving in the right direction again. My birthday is next Tuesday and the week after we are on vacation so who knows....I'm not giving up....as much as my stomach keeps trying to tell me to, I'm doing my best to ignore it.

Shannonsnail
05-13-2014, 02:15 PM
Trish, I also have accepted that low carb is the only way for me. Every time I stray from low carb I get poor blood sugar readings. I can do IF or IE, WW....but it has to be low carb at the same time.

I haven't tried my Vegetti yet. I don't have a dishwasher, so I hope I don't have problems cleaning it.

Shannon, we were typing at the same time! It's funny, but I don't like zucchini, but I think I will like it made into noodles. I don't like radishes, but my husband slices them tissue paper thin on a mandolin and I like them like that.

Speaking of radishes, I am experimenting with those today, I have them cooking in a beef stew, pretending to be potatoes. Curious to see if either The hubby or I like them.

Wannabehealthy
05-13-2014, 03:23 PM
Shannon, I had to laugh at "pretending to be potatoes."

I had a hard time getting back on plan after my carby Easter. Before then, I rarely ate carbs, but once I ate them on Easter I couldn't quit eating them. It took almost 2 weeks and still I sneak some in. Today I made stuffed cabbage rolls, and I usually make Haluski (cabbage and noodles) with the leftover cabbage. I cooked too many noodles and didn't want to put them all in, so I put some salt on them and ate them as they were. Just checked my BS and it was 107, so apparently noodles don't affect me as much as bread. I had the same reaction with the lasagne. Also, we went shopping this morning so we went out for breakfast. I had a slice of wheat toast with my eggs and I didn't spike. I have no idea how I walked away from the rest of that toast. It's not like me, but I'm glad I did it.

I'm glad Olivia is doing better, but we have to take care of Mommy, too. My 5 year old grandson is graduating from preschool this month. He will continue to go there for daycare as his parents work, but he will be with the school age kids instead of the preschool age ones. He hated being the oldest one in the class.

sanssucre
05-13-2014, 04:04 PM
Hi guys, I was reading this forum for a while but had to register today, because I feel I need support and can not deal with that stuff on my own any more. My family just can not listen to me anymore or they don't know what else they can do to help.

I have Type 1 since 1,5 years ago, debuted at 33 and after that my life got so messed up with food, diets and feeling deprived. I have good control, my numbers are great but I've developed ED, where I literally can binge eat my brain off on low carb meals. I need to stop this, because it's getting out of control... I can not go on like this my whole life... Feel so ashamed that I can not get it together, I hate every second of this stupid disease. And yes, therapy didn't help :)
I gained a lot of weight since DX, and itt is hard on me because I was thin my entire life and now everything falls apart. I haven't weight this much even when i was pregnant.

There is only food, thinking of food, planning stupid food, calculating carbs, calculating proteins that will turn into carbs .... I can't win this game I feel.

pattygirl63
05-13-2014, 06:14 PM
sanssucre :welcome3: So glad you have decided to join us. I think we have all felt the way you do. I know I have and still do sometimes. A lot of your feelings are the process. I have had times when I was so angry because I even have to deal with this. I even told my doctor once that I felt like was in total rebellion to dieting because I was so angry about having to deal with it. I was thin for years as a child until I reached my 20s and it has been one diet after another since then. My sister and I were just talking today about how we thought we needed to go for counseling because we seem to think we don't deserve to be thin. So don't give up. It just takes a while to adjust to all the emotional feelings that goes with this disease.

pattygirl63
05-13-2014, 06:34 PM
Carol Sue I still ended up eating some carbs, but stayed within my calories. I ended up riding the recumbent bike for 40 minutes instead of the 30 that I had planned. Really strange thing is that on MFP shows how much weight you should lose in 5 weeks with the number of calories and exercise I did today and it showed that by eating about 300 calories more (still less than 1400) that I should weigh less than it showed previously if I had eaten less than 1200 calories. Maybe there is something about eating a little more. Perhaps I am learning how many calories and how much carb my body will tolerate. It will be interesting to see how the numbers turn out tomorrow morning.

Shannon Certainly hope you will be okay after doing all that work while feeling sickly. At this point, I hope maybe you sweated the infection off. Is Olivia going to be going to any activities during the summer. I remember you saying something before, but sorry that I don't remember.

I know I am so concerned about our up coming trip and trying to stay OP. However, I thought about it today when talking to my sister that in the past, I usually ate pretty good while traveling. Not low carb, but I usually eat sensibly. We usually stop somewhere during mid-morning around 10ish for a fast food breakfast. In the past DH and I would get something like an egg mcmuffin or I would get a breakfast wrap and coffee. He would get hash browns, but I was usually good about refusing to get one. Then later in the afternoon around 3 or so, we would go somewhere so we could get a good more balanced meal. Depending on where we would have to eat, we would half a meal. So I'm trying to think in that way and maybe eat that way. I seem to have given up nighttime snacks so if I can stay away from snacking at the motel like we used to do, I should be able to at least hold my own and not gain any weight and just might have a slight loss. I'm trying to psyche myself for this so I don't mess up what I've done so far.

Funny thing is my sister said she told Daddy that she thought that I was upset because I haven't lost the weight I wanted to lose by the time they saw me again. However, that isn't my problem as much as the fact that I just don't want to gain weight while I'm gone. I'm so tired of starting over. I just want to be able to at least keep the 15 lbs off that I've lost so far.

Wannabehealthy
05-14-2014, 10:16 AM
Sanssucre, Welcome to our Diabetes thread. Unfortunately, we are all type 2 here, and realize that the treatment for type 1 is different, but we have all had trouble with different types of eating disorders, or we wouldn't be here. We will try to help you the best we can. I'm assuming you are on insulin, and insulin causes weight gain, from what I've heard. I too sometimes eat too much because I think it's OK as long as I eat low carb.

Tell us more about yourself. Do you work? Have any outside interests, hobbies, etc? Maybe if you had something to take your mind off eating. Also, it helps to keep a food log, either on paper or online, like with MFP or Fitday. Also, a group like Weight Watchers might help. I tried it for a while and I was able to follow it while eating low carb, but it got too expensive for me and I was not able to stick to it on my own. I needed the meetings to succeed.

Stick around and feel free to jump in to our discussions. We're happy to have a new friend, as we've never had a type 1 here for a long, long time.

You also might want to look in Chicks In Control, which is a thread for people with eating disorders. You might find some others who have similar feelings to yours.
http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/chicks-control-64/

Wannabehealthy
05-14-2014, 10:23 AM
Something is wrong with our refrigerator. It is a french door refrigerator with the freezer drawer on the bottom. We hear a lot of creaking and cracking and ice in forming in the tray under the freezer drawer. We take it out, but it comes back in a few days. My husband says before we call a repair man we should shut it off and let it defrost completely because they could be a ice buildup in the drain for the autodefrost. So it looks like we have to try to eat all the frozen vegetables from the freezer in the next few days. I have a small freezer in the basement but it's pretty full right now. My daughter has a turkey in it and I'm trying to get her to take it home, but she says she doesn't have room for it either. Everything in the upstairs freezer is not going to fit in the one downstairs.

And now my computer is humming. I guess it's going to break, too!

And I'm fat. I think I'll go on a starvation diet until I get skinny.

Rant over! LOL

pattygirl63
05-14-2014, 01:40 PM
Weight down .6 lbs. Thank goodness for a scale that weight within .2 of a lb. As often happens fbs sugar up from 113 yesterday to 120. Who can figure how all this really works. I surely cannot.

Carol Sue I felt the same way this morning. I just wanted to go on an extended fast until all this weight is gone and everything is back to normal, but of course, that is impossible. So I guess we just keep trucking along. :dizzy:

Hope defrosting your fridge helps and that your computer keeps working.

Everybody have a good one.

Shannonsnail
05-14-2014, 08:16 PM
Wanted to share this blog/site I found....we all complain about ADA and RDs not recognizing low carb as best practice for BS control but this RD does, very interesting blog posts
http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blog.html

sanssucre
05-15-2014, 08:25 AM
sanssucre :welcome3: So glad you have decided to join us. I think we have all felt the way you do.
Thank you for your support! I hope I can turn this thing around!

sanssucre
05-15-2014, 09:06 AM
Sanssucre, Welcome to our Diabetes thread. Unfortunately, we are all type 2 here, and realize that the treatment for type 1 is different, but we have all had trouble with different types of eating disorders, or we wouldn't be here. We will try to help you the best we can. I'm assuming you are on insulin, and insulin causes weight gain, from what I've heard. I too sometimes eat too much because I think it's OK as long as I eat low carb.

Tell us more about yourself. Do you work? Have any outside interests, hobbies, etc? Maybe if you had something to take your mind off eating. Also, it helps to keep a food log, either on paper or online, like with MFP or Fitday. Also, a group like Weight Watchers might help. I tried it for a while and I was able to follow it while eating low carb, but it got too expensive for me and I was not able to stick to it on my own. I needed the meetings to succeed.

Stick around and feel free to jump in to our discussions. We're happy to have a new friend, as we've never had a type 1 here for a long, long time.

You also might want to look in Chicks In Control, which is a thread for people with eating disorders. You might find some others who have similar feelings to yours.


Thank you very much! I have a 2 year old toddler so my hobbies are pretty much around her :) I am ready to hit the gym, any day now (have been postponing it for 1,5 years now, lol) but even working out is crazy with D. So I do pay for gym, but haven't been there yet :)
I work half time right now, so I usually keep myself busy from the cupboard where I stock different kind of nuts during the day.
But after dinner I get crazy, I try to follow the rules of low carbing, but I've been "healthy" eater all my life, and the idea of putting so much fat in me feels weird. I did try that for a while though but got stomach pains and had to stop. Can no longer eat eggs as well :)

More about my D: Yes, I am on insulin regimen, 2 basal injections and 3 or more for my meals.
If I do everything right, I have great and stable numbers, but binging low carb at night postpones everything and I get very high at night (my high is everything above 140, I panic if I see 153 on glucometer :) ).

Because my body is very adjusted to LC, I need to bolus for proteins as well and they behave very differently. I am very carb sensitive, if I cheat with a piece of cake which is above 20 gr of carbs (I usually aim for less than 10 a meal (only 3 meals a day, no snacking) ) with A LOT of insulin (like my day dosage at once) I retain water like crazy the next couple of days. And BG gets very jumpy. So cheating sets me back.
I tried using logs, special D apps but I found it very stressful. I found it became my full time job. Together with BG testing (I test like 8-10 times a day) it was just never ending story :(...

I am reading "Brain over binge" book right now (there is a discussion about it in the Chick in Control), I am hoping that 2 time is a charm and it will work for me. I don't like how my brain got in destruction mode right now, but it is really in the state as author puts it - I am dieting, my animal brain in survival mode and keeps re-assuring me that I do need to stock up, because this crazy lady keeps putting it into starvation mode all the time. The scary part in all this is that sometimes during my binges I think that I always have a last option - stop using insulin for a while (body gets into ketoacidos, you basically starve all your cells because they don't get the glucose, cause without insulin they do not function, hence loosing weight), the disorder called diabuimia. But it is a very dark road, I don't want to slide into this, but I do want my body back.

Injected insulin doesn't make you fat per se as long as you have good control and don't overeat, but if you get your numbers wrong (high above normal targets) and need to correct, it usually goes straight to fat :)

pattygirl63
05-15-2014, 01:42 PM
I am reading "Brain over binge" book right now (there is a discussion about it in the Chick in Control), I am hoping that 2 time is a charm and it will work for me. I don't like how my brain got in destruction mode right now, but [B]it is really in the state as author puts it - I am dieting, my animal brain in survival mode and keeps re-assuring me that I do need to stock up, because this crazy lady keeps putting it into starvation mode all the time. The scary part in all this is that sometimes during my binges I think that I always have a last option - stop using insulin for a while (body gets into ketoacidos, you basically starve all your cells because they don't get the glucose, cause without insulin they do not function, hence loosing weight), the disorder called diabuimia. But it is a very dark road, I don't want to slide into this, but I do want my body back.

Injected insulin doesn't make you fat per se as long as you have good control and don't overeat, but if you get your numbers wrong (high above normal targets) and need to correct, it usually goes straight to fat :)

sanssucre I read some of the comments of "Brain over binge" book too and many times I have felt just like your comment that I accentuated above. In fact, I count calories right now and it seems like I do better on the scales when I eat a little more food in a day than even as low as 1200 calories. Of course, what kind of calories determines how my fbs reads as well.

Thanks for explaining how insulin injects cause weight gain. I went to a diet doctor once who had me eating loads of carbs of bread and grains. I left his office 2 weeks later in tears because he accused me of not following his diet and cheating. I had followed it to the letter with absolutely no cheats. He chewed me out telling me that someday I would be a diabetic on insulin and unable to lose weight. Of course, we didn't know back then that some of us cannot handle all those grainy carbs because instead of correcting blood levels it causes it to go higher. If I had continued going to him, I would have been diabetic long before I was. At the time, I was hypoglycemic and the popular thought back then was according to my then MIL who worked for a diet doctor that "if you were hypoglycemic that you would never have to worry about being diabetic". Of course, now we know better.

pattygirl63
05-15-2014, 01:52 PM
Well, I know there is a happy place where I can have carbs, but not too many and I sure haven't found that place yet. I tried using Atkins shakes yesterday and eat only one balanced meal. WRONG!!! I did so much exercise yesterday, I ended up doing 45 minutes on the recumbent bike, besides the other ones I do. So by 8 o'clock when I drank the last shake, it wasn't enough so grabbing something quick I ate a cheese sandwich even thought I knew not to eat bread that late at night especially when I knew I had to go to bed early. May take a break from the bike today and do it again Friday and Saturday. I can do the weights and resistence with the stretch belt.

I got up early to meet with neighbor at 8 am for coffee, so all numbers were at least an hour early than usual and cut my sleep by 1 hour as well. So while I know that was part of the problem, I wasn't happy with fbs being up to 140 g. Even bp was higher than usual (for m e). It is seldom high just higher than My normal. The one good thing was that my weight was the same. No loss, but no gain.

Have a good one everybody.

Wannabehealthy
05-15-2014, 02:31 PM
Sanssucre, you seem to have a good handle on your diabetes and insulin regimen. There was a woman at work who was not at all overweight, but all of a sudden she lost a lot of weight and started to look anorexic. I was concerned about her, but she said "Oh, it's just my diabetes." She said when she started working there her doctor put her on long lasting insulin so she wouldn't have to inject at work and it wasn't working. At the time, I didn't know what she meant, and I'm not even sure that was the truth, because I have heard of people stopping their insulin to help with weight loss.

I got myself in trouble a while back, eating too many carbs, out of control, and my BS went over 200, even into the 300's and would not come down. Since I was only on Metformin I had nothing to bring it down. Finally I got an additional med from my doctor and that brought it down and now I'm trying to control it with diet and exercise instead of taking the med. I don't particularly like sweets, so I don't have a problem there, but bread is my public enemy number 1, and pasta is #2. One bite and I lose total control.

Trish, There is a place where I can eat carbs, but it has to be a very small amount....and I can't seem to stick to that small amount without eating more than I should. So I'm better off to just stay away from it altogether.

My refrigerator hasn't been making any noise all day so I'm wondering if it was doing that because I had the freezer too full. Yesterday I used up all the ground beef I had in there and a lot of the veggies for lunch and dinner. I will have to wait til tomorrow to check for ice under the freezer. It takes a couple days to build up after we clean it out. I don't really want to be spending money on repairs.

Trish, years ago I went to a doctor and told him I was having trouble losing weight and wanted to get checked. He said first we will see if you really have trouble losing weight, and he gave me a diet. I knew right away I was not going to lose weight when I saw all the food on the diet. I went back in a month, and on my scale it said I had lost 2 lbs. He took me into a different room and put me on a different scale from the first one and lo and behold, I was down 8 lbs. I wanted to tell him to take me in on the same scale he weighed me on the first time, but I was a shy young girl then and didn't want to make waves. He sent me on my way telling me I CAN lose weight if I stick to the diet. I never went back to him.

Shannonsnail
05-15-2014, 05:25 PM
Sanssucre welcome! we are glad to have you join us here on our chat thread. I have heard of diabulimia before, particularly in young girls with type 1.

Girls, I need help. I am really struggling. I am wondering on your opinions since I know some of you have followed Atkins. As you know I was not counting anything, not following any specific plan, etc. and had just eliminated specific high carb foods. I was doing REALLY well for several weeks. I had NO cravings and was not even really interested if breads, candy, etc. were around. I was NOT hungry except for just a few times where I knew I had not eaten enough. Now, I am having cravings, unable to ignore breads, candies, etc. HUNGRY and of course eating junk and gaining. Do you think that I was in ketosis before and that is why I was not having any issues? I have been trying to figure out why I cannot snap out of this. Ever since that party where I ate all the sugary junk to see how it would affect my BS I have not been able to get back 100% on plan. Everyday at some point I just go crazy. Before that weekend I had the two meals back to back out of town that had alot of carbs but thinking back, after that I got back on plan for almost a week before that party. Ever since the party I cannot string more than one day to another where I stay on my plan. I feel like a demon left and now it's back. I have not been checking my BS because I know it is bad.

Wannabehealthy
05-15-2014, 06:53 PM
Shannon, I recommend that you test your BS, even though you know it's bad. You have to know, and that might help snap you out of this. Easter did that to me, and it took me a long time to get back off those carbs. It's possible that you were in ketosis. I can't really give you advice because it happens to all of us at one time or another. You just have to make up your mind that you want to get back on plan. Hiding from your BS is not going to solve the problem. It has to come from within you. Try filling up on lots and lots of vegetables, and drinking lots of water. I'm rooting for you! You can do it!

sanssucre
05-15-2014, 06:54 PM
Sanssucre welcome! we are glad to have you join us here on our chat thread. I have heard of diabulimia before, particularly in young girls with type 1.
Thank you!


Girls, I need help. I am really struggling. I am wondering on your opinions since I know some of you have followed Atkins. ...Ever since that party where I ate all the sugary junk to see how it would affect my BS I have not been able to get back 100% on plan.
So sorry to hear about your struggles.

I think i've read on atkins forums that it is easily happened if sliding to carboville even once. Our bodys somehow preprogrammed to easy fixes carbs provide. It is really hard to stop once you've started. I feel like my animal brain creeps up and takes over. The reasoning doesn't work,I always feel like even one piece of cake plays on my deprivation feelings and convinces me to continue, because numbers will still be out of order.

During my 1,5 years I've tried different strategies and many times even 1 slice of bread could make me go crazy and eat all sorts of stuff. Of course it would result in big numbers, but more problematic is all the water that retains in my legs. Carbs actually bind 7 times it's weight of water, so no wonder what happens :)

I really recommend this book, Brain over binge :) makes one understand the principles but points out why brain will always win if one will continue restricting some types of food. That's why I feel it is so challenging to follow her concepts with D, we "have to" restrict some food groups on a daily basis. Or I have to, because I can not guess my proper dosages if I eat high carb diet (above 50 gr a day).
High carb diet will result in jumpy BG for me, more lows=more eating.

Another good book is "emotional eating with diabetes" where author recommend to plan for occasional treats and include them into meal plans, otherwise it creates all those problems like we struggle with. So if you plan them, they won't be as exciting or rare. May be this will help. Of course this will set you back from ketosis, but then again you can turn to it quickly again.

I think Atkins people would recommend the induction. Hopefully it will go much faster this time, without flu symptoms. And yes, may be you were in ketosis, especially if you were eating moderate protein and lots of fat. The best way to know this is the ketosis strips, I am afraid.
Sometimes I feel that ketosis is such a tricky thing to achieve because body gets more and more efficient in breaking down the proteins and converting them to glucose. I've been there only once after my DX, I am one of those people who gets ketosis rush, so I kinda knew directly :) but I was thrown out from there very quickly :) Don't know if I ever be there again. I can not eat 60 gr of protein and 90 gr of fat a day. I feel nauseous and somehow disgusting and still hungry (some Type 1s never feel satiated because we luck amylin, hormone responsible for satiety signals to the brain. It dies together with beta cells, when immune system attacks and kills them)

sanssucre
05-15-2014, 07:02 PM
Sanssucre, you seem to have a good handle on your diabetes and insulin regimen. There was a woman at work who was not at all overweight, but all of a sudden she lost a lot of weight and started to look anorexic. I was concerned about her, but she said "Oh, it's just my diabetes." She said when she started working there her doctor put her on long lasting insulin so she wouldn't have to inject at work and it wasn't working. At the time, I didn't know what she meant, and I'm not even sure that was the truth, because I have heard of people stopping their insulin to help with weight loss.

When people tried to cheer me up after DX they said: at least people with type 1 are always slim:D. Now I know that if they're slim on high carb diet that means poor control, even if their A1c are "good" with too many lows it could show pretty OK numbers.
I have a collegue at work, and he eats as a "normal person" with lot's of insulin and claims that he has great control. He is really skinny and I usually can smell the aceton-like breath when he talks, so I don't really know how he does that :) if not in borderline ketoacidos all the time.
Because I have another friend who eats the same kind of food he does (we got D at the same time, met at the hospital) and she've gained a lot of weight during last year after her honeymoon (when beta cells continue produce some insulin after the help with injected insulin) was over.

oooh, the bread! I miss it most of all! My husband is a bread snob, he buys only artisan bread made with sourdough :) so I understand you!
I eat wasa crisps - 3,6 carbs per piece, they actually can bring that bread feeling. I tried making all sorts of almond meals and coconut breads but it is not even close and I gave up.

JLUS
05-15-2014, 07:30 PM
Girls, I need help. I am really struggling. I am wondering on your opinions since I know some of you have followed Atkins. As you know I was not counting anything, not following any specific plan, etc. and had just eliminated specific high carb foods. I was doing REALLY well for several weeks. I had NO cravings and was not even really interested if breads, candy, etc. were around. I was NOT hungry except for just a few times where I knew I had not eaten enough. Now, I am having cravings, unable to ignore breads, candies, etc. HUNGRY and of course eating junk and gaining. Do you think that I was in ketosis before and that is why I was not having any issues? I have been trying to figure out why I cannot snap out of this. Ever since that party where I ate all the sugary junk to see how it would affect my BS I have not been able to get back 100% on plan. Everyday at some point I just go crazy. Before that weekend I had the two meals back to back out of town that had alot of carbs but thinking back, after that I got back on plan for almost a week before that party. Ever since the party I cannot string more than one day to another where I stay on my plan. I feel like a demon left and now it's back. I have not been checking my BS because I know it is bad.

I know you have a little one so it might be hard, but it might help YOU to get a lot of those things out of the house... Or at least out of your sight for a couple weeks.

Lock them in a cupboard and give your husband the key. Have him get out the snacks/bread for Olivia the night before and put them in a cupboard out of your sight. Yes, you will have access to them during the day, but you aren't going to be as likely to eat her bread or snack that she needs! You just need time to break he cycle.

Also focus on you and she preparing some healthy meals/snacks together... Cut apples and celery and let her dip them in a little Greek Yogurt sweetened with stewed fruit or low sugar jam. Peel string cheese and see who can get the most little strands from one stick. Wrap some fat free meat around a thin cheese slice and cut into mini pinwheels... I am sure you can think of lots of ways to make your healthy eating work for her too. And continue it at dinner for hubby too. Prepare the foods everyone needs!

It is hard to get off track and back on without lots of help and determination. You CAN DO IT!

Shannonsnail
05-16-2014, 09:52 AM
Thanks for all the encouragement and tips. I'm starting my day like I do most everyday with my omelette, hoping for a better day. Hubby bought me a "Seal A Meal" (vacuum sealer thing) and the bags are supposed to be boilable so hopefully our daily omelettes are no longer poisoning us, lol!

I went to the dr yesterday and got started on an antibiotic so maybe this sinus infection will leave me alone in the next couple days. Olivia finished hers yesterday.

Trish, you asked about activities for Olivia. Preschool ends next week and then we go on vacation for a week. I'm working on a summer schedule for us. Fridays are storytime at the library so we are heading there today. The first few weeks of June I will have to get creative but mid June the free or $1 kid movies start here so each week we'll have a movie day and a library day and at least one day we go to the pool. One week in June she is going to a half day cooking camp and in August a week of half day water camp. In July she has swim lessons on Tues and Thurs. I'm still filling in our schedule but hopefully soon I'll have it together. If we stay at home she just wants to watch TV. Here, it honestly gets so hot it's hard for me to take her anywhere outdoors. We have a fenced backyard but she wants me with her all the time and I just don't do heat well. It is already in the 80s most days and soon the humidity will be in full swing and it will be 90s alot. Even early in the morning it is awful. It's sad bc we wait all winter to get outside more and then overnight it is unbearable. The parks here have no shade. They don't put trees up to avoid possible injuries. We do have one free indoor park so we will go there some I'm sure.

Wannabehealthy
05-16-2014, 10:08 AM
Shannon, I was wondering if you are still eating your eggs in the morning. I think they help me stay in control, at least most of the day. You will like the Seal-a-Meal. I have a Food Saver. It's good that your husband is in tune to your needs.

I forgot about the sinus infection. That would definately raise your blood sugar, and not by any fault of yours. Illness stresses the body and stress raises blood sugar. It could also be effecting your eating. Your body just needs different nutrients to fight the infection. Do the best you can, and after your infection is cleared up you should do much better.

I can't handle heat either, and we don't get as hot up here as you do. We do also have humidity and that's a real killer. I usually limit my outdoor time to evenings when it gets a little cooler.

Have a good day at the library. You have lots of activities lined up for summer. You're a good mom!

pattygirl63
05-16-2014, 01:01 PM
This is a quick flyby as I have to leave in a few minutes to go get my perm. We are doing it at 3 pm because it is easier with less activity etc. Friday makes it easier for me to go instead of Saturdays because I have one Saturday a month when I have to re-arrange schedules for a ladies meeting at church.

My weight was back down to 222.4 this am. FBS was 136. I read there's no damage to body if we keep it under 120. I have got to get myself back to getting it back down.

I didn't want eggs etc today so I had oatmeal with frozen blueberries and Greek yogurt which I hate and can't wait until I use it all up. Not doing that fast enough. Then decided to add some protein by eating one nuked egg with a lowfat Turkey sausage pattie. I'm having chicken noodle soup as a quick meal running out today.

I got my Vegetti and going to store to get veggies to make with it tonight with some coconut oil for dinner. I hope this helps me get back on track.

I'm reading on the Chicks in Control thread and I honestly believe the more I read that I have an Eating Disorder. Will back on low carb tomorrow I hope. Just not interested today.

Catch y'all later when I get back home.

pattygirl63
05-16-2014, 08:45 PM
Shannon Glad you got an antibiotic. When you get that under control your fbs should settle back down. Great activity plans for Olivia. My kids and grandkids always enjoyed the library. When they got old enough, my children were part of a summer reading activity at the library where they got a certificate at the end of the summer if they read a certain number of books. When I homeschooled my grandchildren, I always took them to the library for reading books.

The chicken noodle soup was way too salty so I drained and rinsed it with hot water and ate it. Didn't know how to count the calories so I used a low sodium count and counted it a little high hoping to cover it.

Went to the store after the perm and walked around thinking about getting something carby to eat and absolutely nothing looked good. I got a zucchini, a yellow squash and carrots and some smoked oysters. Came home and made the zucchini/yellow squash noodles and sauteed them in coconut oil with chopped onion and grated a small amount of carrot for color and seasoned with Mrs. Dash and added one can drained and rinsed smoked oysters. Put half of it away for tomorrow night and ate half tonight. Humm-humm so very good. This would be good with shrimp or chunks of chicken. I wanted to try the noodles tonight before I buy any more squash.

I tried using the Vegetti with the carrots and it didn't work for me so I used my grater.

I tracked everything and I ended up eating a tidbit over 1200 calories today. So although not really low carb, I am very happy with the day. Tomorrow I will see if my fbs is happy.

Carol Sue Thanks so much for sharing the Chicks in Control thread. I wrote my sister today and gave her info to get to it. I sure hope she will check it out.

Rennie, Ruth, Kris and others :wave: Hi

Good night.

Wannabehealthy
05-17-2014, 08:48 AM
Trish, I think everyone who has a weight problem has some type of eating disorder. It only makes sense. Everyone has a trigger food. DH eats when he's hungry and NEVER finishes everything on his plate. It's like having a young child because I finish what he leaves half the time. I'm not going to throw away a good piece of fish or chicken. There's always at least a couple bites left of his hamburgers and a handful of fries. That is a normal eater. He thinks eating disorders are a bunch of bunk.

I first went to the library with my friends when I was in 5th grade, and the first book I checked out and read was The Secret Garden. I have been an avid reader ever since. I know that fiction is fantasy, but I love getting lost in a story and forgetting about my problems for a while.

Yesterday I started out with my eggs and veggies. The Civic Center down the street has a lunch and dinner every 3rd Friday of the month so DH and I split a hot sausage sandwich and I didn't eat the roll. But then we went to the casino and I had a fish sandwich and I DID eat the roll. So today my BS is at 162, in spite of the glimiperide. I intended to only eat a bite of the roll and then eat the rest of the fish with my fork, but that didn't happen. Next time I will have to order it on a plate without the roll so I'm not tempted. That bread just grabs hold of me and jumps into my mouth! I don't even want to look at the scale today.

I thought it was still April and argued with DH when he said the Memorial Day Weekend is coming up. Where is the time going? I only have 6 weeks until I get my A1c checked again. I better get myself straightened out!

pattygirl63
05-17-2014, 09:22 AM
EYesterday, I ate only when hungry and ate what I wanted and no more. I had a terrible headache last night, but then realized that usually in the afternoon I drink a couple of big glasses of regular green tea and since I had spent the afternoon at beauty shop and grocery store that I didn't have any green tea until I got home. Strange how our body gets hooked on that stupid caffeine. I only drink a small amount, but evidently it is enough for me to react with a headache without it. Took one of DH caffeine pills and 1 Excedrine and it finally went a way. He gets terrible migranes sometimes so he keeps that stuff on hand.

Carol Sue I still don't understand how blood glucose works (even after all the technical/medical scientific jargon. I had all those carbs for breakfast and lunch and fbs was back down to 124 this morning. Biggie drumroll new low 221.4. 2teens here I come WAHOO!!! I've now lost 18 lbs. I just might get below 229s before my trip.

Any way I've decided to still watch the calories by tracking on MFP, but do it with IE not any diet rules. It seems that some of the Chicks in Control have learned that they have to do that.

I have a Ladies meeting at church this morning and have to be there because the secretary asked me to do the Minutes. I am nervous about it because in all my 70 yrs that is one job I've never done. But her daughter is getting married and this the appt day for last fitting. So I agreed try it and if I don't like it, I don't have to ever do it again. They eat there so wanting to stay OP, I ate a grilled cheese on double fiber bread sandwich and drinking a cup of coffee. Decided that at the brunch that I'll have my second cup of coffee either with a snack of fruit or just the coffee. Depends on what they have. After all, I have to come home and track it on MFP.

As for throwing food away, I know exactly how you feel. But years ago, I did the first book series of that woman (can't remember her name) that had the Christian weight loss. I think she is the one who taught people to always leave one bite on your plate. I did that for a while and got things under control until I married DH and we started sharing meals especially when we went out to eat. Of course that doesn't work at home and I finally got out of the habit. I have tried to do that now, but since I kind of eyeball and or actually measure the portion, my thought is usually "well, it is allowed" idea so I go ahead and eat it all. :?: The games we play in our head. You know I think my eating disorder has actually come from "dieting" mentality because I do have little games I've learned to play so I can do the diet and get by with what I can. Like a little kid with rules. May that is why Not dieting but eating Intuitively may be the way to go for me.

Got to run. Can't be late.

BBL

Shannonsnail
05-17-2014, 10:57 AM
I finally remembered to check my fbs today and it was 104. The scale is finally, after an 11 day hiatus, back to my lowest weight since starting, 190.6. So, things are looking up even though I had a baked potato last night, lol. I'm still coughing alot but I think the antibiotic is starting to work. This is probably gross to share but I also started a three month treatment for a toenail fungus :o It can affect the liver negatively so I have to get labs drawn once a month for that. Oh and while I'm just spilling all my medical guts I'm happy to report my mammogram was fine, lol.

Trish that sounds like the weigh down diet. I've done that one too. Congrats on your new low! And as an aside, I developed binge eating disorder directly following a very successful 34 lb loss with WW. I did some research a few years after when I finally saw a dr and there is a high % of folks who develop EDs immediately following some form of dieting. There are actual scientific papers written on the subject so you are not imagining things.

Carol Sue I developed my love of reading around that same time. When I was single I probably read 3 books a week regularly. I have been on a long hiatus with reading since Olivia was born but now I check a book out for me everytime we go to the library and I have finally started reading regularly again :)

Wannabehealthy
05-17-2014, 12:12 PM
Shannon, I knew you would find your way back! Your health is too important to you to just throw it all away! Very Good Job!

Today I added a new veggie to my diet. Leeks. I usually eat some onions every day for their health benefits, but I recently read that leeks. although similar, have different health benefits so I bought some. I cooked them in with the garlic, mushrooms, and spinach with my scrambled eggs I had for brunch. I forgot to put my black beans in it so I ate a handful of them afterwards!

Now I am on my way to Bed Bath and Beyond to get a set of those pans to make tortilla bowls. I am going to try making them with low carb tortillas and use them for eating salads, and taco fillings.

Yesterday we went to the casino. It is an hours drive each way. DH lasted from noon when we left the house until 7PM when we got home. So I would say he's improving! YAY! I can tell he's feeling better because he's getting back to his feisty self. LOL

Wannabehealthy
05-17-2014, 03:06 PM
Bed Bath and Beyond was out of the tortilla bowl makers, and so was every store we stopped at on the way home. I could order them for pick up at WalMart, but I found this site online for making them with a muffin pan, so I am going to try this before I continue to look for the pans. This is a great idea if it works! LOL

http://www.emilybites.com/2011/02/mini-taco-bowls.html

Shannonsnail
05-17-2014, 11:11 PM
Mmmm! Gotta share this low carb sweet dip for pork rinds...
3 oz cream cheese - microwave for 30 sec and then stir
Add 1 tsp cinnamon, splash of heavy whipping cream and sweetener packets (2 splenda were enough for me). Mix well. (If you don't have heavy whipping cream, I think half and half would work too)

kris2008
05-18-2014, 08:37 AM
Love pork rinds! Try to save them for special occasions though, hard to limit.

Glad everyone seems to be doing okay! I had a record FBS this morning - 102! I saw that and then thought I bet my weight went up, and that went down too!

Happy Sunday!

Shannonsnail
05-18-2014, 09:52 AM
Fbs was 119 today and scale same. Gotta get groceries today!

pattygirl63
05-18-2014, 01:36 PM
Quick flyby for now. Weight up a little to 222.4 which is good since I seem to have been hungry all day, but my fbs was back down to 115. I had a carby day. I'm thinking the problem for me isn't the carbs as much as it is the fact that I need to eat less at each meal/snack... portion control. If this is true, eating on my trip will be easy.

Shannon It was weigh down, I just couldn't remember the name at the time (senior moment):dizzy: I also love the pork rinds, but they have too much salt on them so I can't eat them very often. The dip sounds great for them though. Might could use it some other way. Thanks for sharing.

Kris I have a tough time putting the pork rinds down too which doesn't help me with the sodium. Sure wish they would make them with less salt.

Carol Sue :wave:

Rennie & Ruth Where are you two? You are missed.

sanssucre
05-18-2014, 02:23 PM
Hi guys, I've binged again today after dinner. And this is totally doesn't make sense. We had lovely day out with my family, everything was perfect, we had lunch and dinner. I had enough food and after dinner I've eaten every single piece of nuts we had in a cupboard. Why? I don't know the answer :( Now it will be all night jumping checking for BG injecting insulin ... And crappy numbers in the morning, I hate myself right now. I would purge if I could :( I can't....
Starting 21 new days tomorrow ...again...
Hugs to you all.

Wannabehealthy
05-18-2014, 02:45 PM
Sanssucre, we have to get you straightened out. Don't purge. That's not the answer. Maybe you need to keep the tempting foods out of the house until you get some control. Don't try to plan too far in advance. Just do it for 1 day. Then worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. You can do this. It's hard, I know. Nuts are not the worst thing you could be binging on.

I bought a book at Goodwill about type 1 diabetes. It was only a dollar, and although it was mostly about insulin, it had some information about how the pancreas works and about different foods. I did learn some things, like I didn't know that caffeine raises blood sugar, and also, not everyone spikes at 2 hours PP. Sometimes it's 2 1/2 - 3 hrs. So you could test at 2 hours and think you're ok and an hour later you might spike. Never knew that.

Trish, you are doing good! I think you will be fine on your trip. My weight and BS are both up, but I'm not panicing. It happens. I'm learning that I go up and down and up and down and then get a good loss. Then the roller coaster starts all over again.

I started back eating my kale again today and for some reason, I think that will get me back on track. It gives me so many nutrients that my body is satisfied with less.

Rennie, are you hiding again?

Ruth?

And where did Mad go? And Bonnie? They have been away too long. Hope everything is ok.

pattygirl63
05-19-2014, 03:15 PM
FBS was 130 and weight back up to 223.4, but I expected it sine I ate ham which is always loaded with sodium. Lots of liquids and potty trips already this morning so I expect that to correct itself pretty quick.

Spent morning trying to figure out why my cell phone was silent and I couldn't get it turned back on. My beautician did some stuff on it Friday and the ringtones were all messed up and I have no idea where she got the ones that were on there. I've got all that corrected and good to go.

Had a talk with DGS and he has figured out where he is staying while we are on out trip so that is worked out. Still don't know how long we will be gone as my daughter's 13 yr companion I guess you call him is in the hospital and we aren't sure how that is going to play out. I want to be home by the 25th of June, but DH says we better keep our return open till we know what happens to him, because my DD might need us. We had planned to go see them anyway on our way back home, but may have to stay a little longer. He has been on dialysis for about 3 or 4 yrs and his heart stopped while on the machine last Wednesday. He finally is responding by squeezing her hand and following her voice with his eyes and she said his eyes lit up when she said she was going to stay the night. Nurse told her he has a long road to recovery, but dr hasn't given her that encouragement yet. His son graduates from high school this month and he had told him he would live to see him graduate. Then he has been preparing her telling her his body is tired and that he is going to go soon. Of course she wants him to live, but doesn't want to get her hopes up because she knows he is tired of fighting. So we are just praying and leaving it with the Lord to do what is best for all concerned. So not sure what the next month or so holds for us.

Carol Sue I have decide to relax and take one day at a time and let the trip take care of itself when it gets here. Regardless of what happens, my plan is to stay as close to OP as I possibly can and hope for the best. Then when I get back home where I have more control, I will get back right OP.

Y'all have a good one.

Shannonsnail
05-19-2014, 03:53 PM
Speaking of trips, we leave next Monday for vacation. We will be in a condo so I should be able to cook breakfast at least. Lunch will definitely be out somewhere (Busch Gardens, waterpark, beach, etc). Dinner is likely to be out too. I want to talk to DH about cooking dinner instead but he really likes to be a free spirit on vacation and he likes to sleep late and get the day started late which often means very late dinners. The last two years my daughter has passed out at the dinner table every night. It drives me nuts but I try to remind myself it's just a few days.

Wannabehealthy
05-19-2014, 04:10 PM
Trish, you have a lot going on with your daughters companion. That's sad, but there isn't much more you can do but just pray. I think you will do fine on your trip because you will be busy.

Shannon, we always eat out when we travel. DH wants a vacation to be a vacation from everything. Just be careful what you order, and remember you can always take the leftovers back to the condo if you want. I don't think we will be going anywhere this year because DH still has the pain from the shingles. He cut the grass and did some work on the car, but it's just in spurts.

I don't think we will be doing anything over the holiday weekend.

love2b150
05-19-2014, 04:21 PM
confession time ...

I have had four really really high calorie/carb days ... needless to say, my fbs has been as high as 167 and my weight is back up to 167.8 today only .2 from my high so far on 5/13. I have done pretty well today with all of my planned meals on MFP dinner is the only meal I have left. I have decided that if I want something else to eat I will have a s/f gelatin and water but hopefully I will be fine after dinner

kris2008
05-19-2014, 06:49 PM
Rennie - Glad to see you back on track!

Interesting articles I just noticed today:

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/15/a-meal-schedule-for-diabetes/?_php=true&_type=blogs&ref=health&_r=0

This one is about the possibility that 2 or 3 meals a day is better than 5 or six smaller meals a day in regulating blood sugar. I have noticed this myself. On the weekends, I sometimes eat two meals - 10 ish and 4 ish. My FBS is always lower the next day. Of course, might not be same for everyone.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/14/exercise-snacks-to-control-blood-sugar/

Exercising in bursts throughout the day is beneficial to all day blood sugar. Probably not a surprise to us but glad somebody is looking at this.

Wannabehealthy
05-19-2014, 07:30 PM
Rennie, you reminded me that I have some s/f jello but forgot to make it. It's a good snack for us, and I like to put RediWhip on it because it's relatively low calorie for a little squirt.

I didn't get on the scale today because I felt fat and didn't want to see the number. Like it's not there if you don't see it! LOL

I just checked my blood sugar and it's only 96. I'm going to try very hard not to get nervous about it and eat something to prevent an overnight low.

Kris, I like to eat a big breakfast a small lunch, which is when I eat my big plate of vegetables, and a relatively small dinner, depending on how hungry I am. For a while I was exercising twice a day. My main exercise time is after lunch. For a while I was exercising again around 7 PM, just a 15 minute walk on the treadmill, but I have gotten away from that. It was helping drop my fasting blood sugar. It's been up a little lately so I should probably be doing that walk.

Shannon, I have still not bought a zucchini to try out my Vegetti, but today on the news, they did a segment on "Does it Really Do That" and they tested the vegetti. It worked fine for them and they voted it a good item. I got to see them use it so I have an idea what to do.

Shannonsnail
05-19-2014, 10:00 PM
confession time ...

I have had four really really high calorie/carb days ... needless to say, my fbs has been as high as 167 and my weight is back up to 167.8 today only .2 from my high so far on 5/13. I have done pretty well today with all of my planned meals on MFP dinner is the only meal I have left. I have decided that if I want something else to eat I will have a s/f gelatin and water but hopefully I will be fine after dinner

:hug:

pattygirl63
05-20-2014, 10:01 AM
Good Morning Chickies,

I just want to let y'all know that I will be checking in but probably not everyday. I've been doing some reading here on 3fc on other threads and I have a book someone mentioned reading and I have that book. I'm going to be taking time out to read. I've got this attitude that I don't want to eat and I am going to be using shakes while going through this because I just cannot let myself get so strong in the "diet" thinking to where I end up gaining again. It is just a phase that I have to work through on my own. I'll be okay and I will be back. Not gone forever.

I just have to find some answers for myself. I am determined to be a "success" story and win this battle.

Love you guys. May still check in daily, but if I don't I didn't want y'all worried about me. And I know you would.:hug:

Have a great day everyone!!!

love2b150
05-20-2014, 10:07 AM
thanks Kris :) I thought 2 meals a day were fine but then I had read that I shouldn't skip breakfast and that was my easy skip meal. But 3 works also.

Carol Sue and Trish :hug:

:bday2you: Shannon, Have a blessed, joyous and wonderful day :hug:

didn't eat the gelatin last night and Trish I love it with cool whip/rediwhip also :drool: My husband sat beside me last night and ate chips and it took a lot not to stick my hand in the bag but I didn't, yay me. :) My weight was down 2lbs and the I am grateful I thought it would be more but with the binge eating I think I have probably put on a few real pounds not all bloat. FBS was 120 this morning ... so you know what I think? when we finish (when I finish) my last meal at a decent time my fbs is lower.

Shannonsnail
05-20-2014, 10:17 AM
Trish we will miss you! Don't stay away too long!

Thanks Rennie!

Happy birthday to me, happy birthday to me! Well, thanks to being up alot during the night we overslept massively today and were 30 min late for preschool drop off, hubby wanted me to pick him up breakfast so I caved and ate a regular biscuit AND breakfast potatoes....YIKES! I am heading out to get a pedicure with a gift certificate I had forgotten about (and getting a massage on Thursday with my spa gift card). I am eating lunch out at Greek Fiesta (free birthday meal that will be low carb) and then will pick up Olivia. Tonight we will eat out at Moes (another free meal for me and Olivia since kids will be free, also will be low carb). Mark picked up a mini cake at Whole Foods (their bakery makes the best cakes.....got spoiled onto them last year when my BFF got me one for my 40th). I'm determined though to not let this day mess me up like last time though. Now that I know how powerful the carbs are I think I am better prepared for how to follow up a day like this where some off plan eating occurs. Oh, and my sneak peek today showed I have now met my 2nd mini goal of 10% weight loss!

Everyone have a great day!

love2b150
05-20-2014, 10:47 AM
Trish, which book are your reading? You will be a success story :hug: But I know you, you won't stay away long :)

love2b150
05-20-2014, 10:50 AM
Busy busy Shannon, good for you :) Enjoy :) I got hooked on Harris Teeter cake when I worked in Cary. Yumm :)

pattygirl63
05-20-2014, 11:47 AM
Shannon HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! HAVE A GREAT DAY!!!

Well, I didn't stay gone long.LOL I just have to share to you what I've found in this book and I haven't even gotten through the 1st chapter.

Rennie The title is Thin for Life by Anne M. Fletcher, M.S.,R.D. You Chickie who go to the library, IT IS A MUST READ!!! And it is well worth the money to purchase for reference.

I saw the book recommended I think on the recommended books to read thread on Chick in Control. Carol Sue You have no idea how much that thread has helped me. When I saw the title, I remembered having the book.

It comes from a whole different perspective. We always hear the downside of weight loss of how such a large percentage of dieters lose weight just to gain it all back plus more. What we NEVER hear is about the ones who not only successfully lose the weight, but have maintained for up to 3 to even 30 yrs.

This what this book is about. She tells just in the first chapter the statistics of how many people have lost 10 to 100s of lbs and have maintained for years. She tells how some of them "break the rules" or what she calls "myths" about weight loss. Example "It is harder to lose weight after 40". She has a story of a woman who started losing weight at 69 and has maintained her weight loss. Some follow diets and some make up their own plan by taking what they have learned from other diets they've done but couldn't/didn't maintain on. Most do some form of exercise, but some don't do any formal exercise at all.

One of the most important thing that I've really gotten so far in the book is to never allow yourself to have the attitude "I can't do this". You must realize that others have succeeded and "so can I'. One dieter said "If you think you can't, then you can't".

I guess I'm not leaving, because I suspect that as I learn that I will be sharing with y'all. It basically comes back to what we have all felt for a long time... WHAT WORKS FOR ONE DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK FOR ALL. I like the fact that some of the "masters at keeping it off" sometimes took a basic diet... example one lady didn't go to weight watchers meetings, but she took the basic WW diet and did it on her own. So this tells me that we can also take a plan that we like and tweak it to fit our lifestyle and IT WILL WORK for us.

Oh, she also mentions a chapter on when we hit stalls, but of course that is later in the book.

love2b150
05-20-2014, 11:59 AM
Trish I just said this on another thread --> WHAT WORKS FOR ONE DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK FOR ALL. I like the fact that some of the "masters at keeping it off" sometimes took a basic diet... example one lady didn't go to weight watchers meetings, but she took the basic WW diet and did it on her own. So this tells me that we can also take a plan that we like and tweak it to fit our lifestyle and IT WILL WORK for us I think that is what I typically do, it sure keeps the boredom away but it also makes for mistakes in between ... which I seem to fall into :)

Wannabehealthy
05-20-2014, 02:40 PM
Shannon, Happy Birthday!:hat: You have made some big changes and you have a lot to celebrate!

Kris, the reason I think 2 or 3 meals is better than 5 small meals is because it's important to let your blood sugar go back down before you eat again. I found that out by the way I used to graze. I kept my BS up because I was always eating.

And Rennie, we usually eat dinner very early, around 4 PM. If I don't eat after than my FBG and my weight are good. It's very hard to do, though. You have to Just Say No! I was very surprised to hear that you went way over on calories for a couple days. That's not like you! That happened to me when I tried to do the one carb day per week. It was so hard to get back. I learned my lesson! You will get back down. :crossed:

Trish, I can't give up breakfast. And I like lunch too because I get to choose what I'm eating and DH does his own lunch. When I first met DH and for the first 10 years of marriage I usually ate breakfast and lunch, and rarely ate dinner. I cooked dinner for them, then went to read the paper while they ate. My reasoning was that I was more active throughout the day so I needed fuel. I was more sedentary in the evening so didn't need fuel. But when it became just the 2 of us, DH didn't want to eat alone. He skips breakfast or lunch most days, only eats one or the other. I can't do that. My body wants food during my more active period.

I call my eating plan "low carb." It's not Atkins, not South Beach, not CAD....I just eat mostly protein and veggies and occasional carbs. So there isn't anything that isn't allowed.....unless I don't want it in my diet.

The scale shocked me today and said 194. I still feel fat, but numbers don't lie. I think it's all the beans I've been eating, plus being back on my kale. I didn't eat kale for lunch today, but I think I will make some with dinner. DH won't eat it, but I will cook some other veggies for him.

pattygirl63
05-20-2014, 09:10 PM
Rennie Great job not eating the chips. Glad is down 2lbs.

Carol Sue I do enjoy my breakfast most mornings although I didn't want it this morning. I had an Atkins shake with a banana.

We went to eat at Pizza Hut and I got a lunch salad w/Ranch dressing and ordered a Personal Pan Veggie Lover's pizza. Salad filled me up so much that I ate only half and brought the other half home. I took the other two small pieces and wrapped them individually and put them in the freezer for a quick snack sometime. I have eaten only what I wanted when I wanted and only as much as I wanted. Still calorie counting on MFP and ended the day with 1290 calories for the day. I am very happy with my day.

I have finished reading chapter one of the book and I am going to take on the attitude that "I can do this" and set my mind to it.

Shannon I hope you have enjoyed your day.

Kris, Ruthie and other reading :wave:

love2b150
05-20-2014, 11:09 PM
Carol Sue that made me smile, you being surprised that I would go over my calories. I wish I could stop eating around 5, that would be great, but my sons practice doesn't end until 6:45 and I prefer us to eat together. I am finding (though I have not done it but have come close) that it is easier to eat 3500 calories than we think. I think it's gonna get even harder to stay on point when all of the kids are out of school in a few weeks. I am so not looking forward to that. Prayerfully I'll be employed this summer :)

Thanks Trish :) I had a shake for lunch and it made me hungrier afterwards more so than before I drank it. Maybe I should have added some Greek yogurt.

Today's calories higher than yesterday but much lower than the days prior to yesterday so I'm good there, however the sodium may be the thing that kicks my scale numbers up a notch, smh

pattygirl63
05-20-2014, 11:31 PM
Thanks [B]Trish :) I had a shake for lunch and it made me hungrier afterwards more so than before I drank it. Maybe I should have added some Greek yogurt.

Today's calories higher than yesterday but much lower than the days prior to yesterday so I'm good there, however the sodium may be the thing that kicks my scale numbers up a notch, smh

I've learned that I have to "want" to drink a shake. If I drink it with the idea that I'm going to start drinking shakes, it just makes me hungry. I think I just have to think of it as a treat. I have also found that too much sodium also causes m scales to go up. I sleep with a pillow under my knees for a few hours at night and it does help some besides taking a mild fluid pill especially when I know I've eaten too much sodium.

Wannabehealthy
05-21-2014, 07:46 AM
I have a container of Whey Protein that I bought after I got out of the hospital. At that time I was drinking a cup of skim milk at each meal. I started adding a bit of the Whey Protein to the first cup of the day to get in some extra protein to aid in healing. I was still able to lose with drinking that with my meal, but my meals were very small then. I would get nauseated halfway through eating and never could finish anything. Unfortunately, that eventually stopped. I'm thinking that had to do with healing, and once my body healed, it stopped.

pattygirl63
05-21-2014, 09:54 AM
Good Morning Chickies I've been with you guys too long to leave here. Y'all are like family to me. I would be lost without y'all. :hug:

Carol Sue I have thought many times about the time that I ate oatmeal and my blood glucose sky rocketed over 200. I had made it like always did with my yogurt and blueberries, but that day I had put powdered whey protein in it. I've never tried eating a normal serving since then because I just thought that much oatmeal raised my blood sugar. However, I've been thinking lately that perhaps it was the whey protein that caused it to go up. I just may have to test a normal serving the old way again and check. I have been thinking about taking instant oatmeal on the trip because it is easy to make, but haven't decided as of yet.

Well, my pizza eating didn't hurt me at all. I think it was all the veggies that I ate. My weight was us 4 tenths of a lb which isn't too bad for eating out and my fbs was 114. I think the trick for me is that I ate only when hungry and ate only what I wanted and what it took to satisfy me. Even at Pizza Hut, I remember saying to DH, "I guess that salad filled me up, because I can't eat all of this. I'll have to take half of it home." I used to always eat half of my food and bring it home when I was thinner and we had 1st married. It was easy to do back then because his Mother was home bound and lived with us and I always thought about her having something a little different to eat if I shared it with her.

My Daddy had to go to the ER because his blood pressure went over 300 the other day. Daddy had had Chinese food that day. The doctor told him from now for him to eat half at lunch and save the other half and eat it later for dinner. I thought that was good advice. However, I think some things you can bring home and maybe even freeze depending what it is. Actually, DH and I get one order of Chinese food and half the meal and even then we never eat all the rice. It is just too much.

Well, I want to work at getting another chapter read this morning so I will check back with y'all later today.

Have a nice day. It is pretty here. Hope it is where y'all are.

Shannonsnail
05-21-2014, 10:43 AM
Good morning girls!

I had a nice birthday....thank you for all the birthday wishes! I had a super duper pampering pedicure yesterday.

I (unintentionally) lied about eating low carb the rest of the day. You really do not want to know what transpired but suffice to say, the carbs, for me, are just gateways to uncontrollable eating regardless of hunger. Once I let them in it's like they need friends to come with them, lol! And I'm still thinking about them today after eating my solid low carb breakfast.... They are ridiculously powerful. Some have written how they act similarly to drugs and I really do see that. Anyway, with God's grace, I will say no to the "drugs" and get back on track today.

kris2008
05-21-2014, 11:00 PM
Shannon - I'm with you on the carb drug. I can't believe
I have stuck with eating so well for so long. It's been more
Than two months with one slip up. That pizza put me over
200 fbs and that cut that carb binge. But the reason I
have been able to do it so long is not eating carbs.
For me that works. Sorry trying to write this on my
Phone!

Wannabehealthy
05-22-2014, 06:49 AM
I switched to decaffeinated coffee and I have not had palpitations for 2 days, but I haven't tried exercising yet. I might still get them when I exercise.

When I was at Aldi's they had big chocolate bars on clearance for 75 cents, and 2 of them jumped into my cart. Chocolate is my only sweet craving. They say chocolate is good for you. Well, my blood sugar did NOT look good! I KNOW not to buy that stuff. I don't know why I had a weak moment. I think it was the clearance price.

For dinner last night DH had take out from Long John Silvers and I made some grilled talapia for me. He won't eat that. He likes the greasy fried stuff!

Hope everyone is doing well.

Shannonsnail
05-23-2014, 09:46 AM
Yesterday was the last day for my daughter to go to preschool til Sept so I went to a really nice spa (with a gift card I've been saving for two years, lol) and had a fancy massage! I had a low carb breakfast but then after I pucked my daughter up we went to a mexican place and I went bonkers. At dinner I was back to low carb. This is how it was before too. I would have a good on plan day then off then on then off.....it seems like the carb cravings have to sputter out of my system, lol. Oh well....you know what? Even a "bad" day now is probably half the carbs I used to eat on an average day. I really am doing well, in general, even on some of my worst days now....that is progress. I weighed today and the scale is inching up but I'm not in fear of gaining it all back like I used to be. I think mentally I'm making a lot of progress....used to if I had a bad meal or day I just quit, it was too hard. Now I might feel a little bad but I know I'm going to keep trying. It's progress, albeit small :-)

It's library day so I've got to get my daughter dressed so we can leave. We go on vacation on Monday. I'm still thinking about our summer schedule. My daughter likes to "teach" her stuffed animals and dolls everyday and there is at least one craft a day that she has them do. All year it has been a replica of whatever they did in preschool the day before. I need to plan some simple crafts in advance for her. She used to have a very nice FULL crafting area but due to bad behavior I have taken all her supplies away and she can only have whatever is needed for a specific craft.....I loved the montessori style crafting before (I am crafty too so I like to encourage that) but it was such a mess. She wouldn't help clean up and it was completely taking over the kitchen. Anyway, I'm just thinking aloud and rambling.

Have a great day!

pattygirl63
05-23-2014, 03:29 PM
I started chapter 3 of the book Thin for Life and it is really helping. People who have mastered losing weight and keeping it off for more than 3 yrs say you have to take responsibility for your own way of eating. About 55% used a diet program that they either followed precisely or tweaked it into their own "personal plan". Others just made up plans of their own. Some took advantage of support groups and some did not.

I've decided to use the basic rules of Weight Watcher's. Started it this morning and I have my plan for today. I did this before and enjoyed it and had no problems until I joined on-line WW and people criticized the fact that I didn't always use all of my points. So I'm going to do this on my own again so I can eat only the amount of pts that I actually need and no more.

Some did exercise and some did not. I will stick to my 30 minutes 3 days a week. All my exercise is done for the week. Of course, I will be more active along the way.

I believe with this plan that it will be much easier to stay OP while on my trip, because this is something I can do anywhere. Never had a problem eating out when I did this before.

I've left MFP as I'm tracking my points with paper and pencil. Since I never used Activity Points earned and don't plan to now, I won't be tracking them. I will save my Weekly Pts for when eating out.

Have a great day!!!

Shannonsnail
05-23-2014, 09:36 PM
Thought I would share that I tried the shirataki noodles tonight with my spaghetti sauce. I made reg thin spaghetti for family. I thought they were ok. I liked them better than the zoodles or spaghetti squash. I like zoodles just not as a pasta sub with tomato meat sauce. They were kind of pricey though at $1.99. I might look for some coupons.

Wannabehealthy
05-24-2014, 08:44 AM
Trish, when I went to WW they told us to use all the points because they are supposed to say that. But there were a few of the other women who told me they didn't always use all their points. Don't force yourself to eat if you're not hungry. I always kept a few points for later in the day in case I got hungry. Sometimes I used them, sometimes not.

I bought a big bunch of kale at the supermarket, but I also bought a bag of frozen kale and a bag of frozen turnip greens. I never saw them in the freezer case before, probably because I wasn't looking for them. I will have them in the freezer for those days when I run out of fresh kale so I don't have to run to the store for more.

Shannon, sometimes some carbs sneak into my diet. Like yesterday, when my husband had mac and cheese, I ate a couple forkfuls, but that didn't come near to what I would have eaten if I had ordered it myself. Sometimes it's a couple french fries. I would probably lose faster if I didn't do that, but I don't do it every day.

I bought some coconut oil and the jury's still out on it. I don't know if I really like it or not. I WILL use the whole jar though, because it was expensive. I also bought a zucchini to try my Vegetti, but haven't done that yet. Probably over the weekend. I don't think I will like it with pasta sauce either. I'm not sure what seasonings I will use. Probably just some parmesan and romano, parsley.

My husband bought a couple zucchini plants to plant with his tomatoes, so if the rabbits stay away, I will have some home-grown zucchini this summer.

I want to try the sharitaki noodles but I haven't found them yet.

Shannonsnail
05-24-2014, 10:22 AM
Carol Sue i found mine in the refrigerated section of Walmart, by the wonton wrappers.

Wow! I clocked a new low on the scale of 189.2 and my meter, 92, this morning! I'm not sure I've ever seen a fbs <100 on my meter. Hooray! DH and DD are going out for a few hours so I can clean, do laundry, pay bills, etc. our house is a wreck and we leave Monday.

kris2008
05-24-2014, 10:35 AM
Carol Sue - I have been putting coconut oil in my morning smoothee. Don't really notice a different taste, just a smoother smothee! And I agree it costs a mint!

Shannon - I bet that massage felt wonderful!

Patty - I agree with what you are reading. We have to stay on this WOE after we reach goal. That's why I like low carb. I'm not ravenous any more and I hope to not worry about calories after hitting goal weight. Just keep the low carb and high protein/fat/veggies/fruit mentality with a carby treat now and then.

Weird, my FBS was 125 this morning and I had no carbs yesterday except for fruits and vegetables. Had my usual proteins, in fact I've started adding more fats with the coconut oil. Exercise is the same. Not sure why my FBS is higher, when other days I might have had an actual processed carb at dinner and my FBS was lower. I eat a lot of the same stuff every day so it is usually easier for me to see patterns. This has me perplexed. I think I'll start doing some time on the treadmill in the evening, that should help the FBS regardless.

kris2008
05-24-2014, 10:38 AM
SHANNON - Yea for under 190 and yea for under 100!!!! I have not been under 100 yet. You are doing something very right!!!!!!!!!! Good for you!

pattygirl63
05-24-2014, 04:58 PM
Carol Sue I would love to re-join WW on-line because you get all the updates on new foods etc, but I don't want to get with any groups that tells me I have to eat all my pts. I think the reason I don't get hungry on WW is because of the fruits and veggies and even the fiber I'm eating. Example, I have my supper planned out as a sandwich. I got off the phone talking with my DS and thought that I would eat supper. Not sure how much is the fact I'm looking forward to an 8 pt dinner or was real hunger. I looked at the clock and realized that it was too early to eat a meal. (I would like to eat dinner around 6 or 7 and call it quits.) I decided to have an apple instead and was amazed at not only how good it was but satisfying as well. I will end up today with 20 pts. My WW calculator shows that I get 29 pts a day (I'm thinking with the weight I've lost that I need to check that again because it may be too high.) I do not believe that I have to eat all my pts and I will only eat as many as I need and no more. Doing it my way is part of learning to take responsibility for my diet by making this "my own personal" plan. Drinking green tea and water is helping me stay satiated as well. I have no intention of letting anyone determine for how many pts/calories that I have to eat ever again. Thin for Life also mentions the importance of us feeling the power of being in control of our own life and eating habits.

I've been looking at what WW calls "Power Foods" and all greens cooked or raw are not only power foods but they are also 0 pts. I'm trying to learn to use more of those 0 pt power foods.

Shannon I like the zoodles as a stir-fry with butter or broth, but not with spaghetti sauce. While I do like the spaghetti squash, it just is too much trouble to fix just for me. Hope you have a great trip.

Kris This fbs readings has always puzzled me. I don't know how I can have a reading of 113 one day and have 135 the next day. In fact, one day this week I had a ready of 145, the next day 113 and the next 135. No big changes in my eating, so I've decided that I just don't know enough about this stuff.

Doing WW is really going to make my eating on the trip so much easier. For one thing my sister and her hubby both do WW and we are staying with them 4 days. The only time that might be a challenge is being at hubby's son's. However, I think I can even work that out. I can take some 0 pt fruit and veggies, yogurt and maybe some snack foods although I don't want to make a habit of using the snack foods. However, I could use them the 3 days at his son's house. When we leave there, I can use an ice cooler and since motel rooms have refrigerators and microwaves, I should have no problem staying OP for the rest of the trip. I can finally feel like I can relax and look forward to enjoying my trip.

Rennie, Ruthie and others :wave:

Ruthxxx
05-24-2014, 05:51 PM
Hi, Sweeties! I have been around but just run off my feet with hiring summer staff and getting schedules together for opening last weekend. Just back from a long day of Doors Open where we had lots of visitors, had to answer lots of questions and served a simple ploughman's lunch to a lot of visitors to both the Mill and the Old Town Hall.

We just had a flash rain and hailstorm. The sun is out and I'm going to light the grill for a burger and grilled fresh asparagus with an arugula salad for dinner. Planning to have a glass of wine too because I deserve it.

FBGL has been fine - usually around 5 although I have not been regular with my Victoza or Metformin. Yes, I will go for HA1c but methinks it'll be OK since I've been doing fairly low carb and weight is dropping slowly! Gone are the days of a 5 pound weightloss every week!

Hang in there. We can lick this!

pattygirl63
05-24-2014, 06:39 PM
Ruthie So glad to hear from you and glad you are doing well. Enjoy your nice weather today. You had so much snow this past winter you deserve some good weather.

I put my 20 pts of food into MFP and I will not be worrying about me eating only 20 pts because it comes out to be about 1200 calories. In fact, I'm finished eating today and fully satisfied... not stuffed. Total calories today is 1221 for my 20 pts. That is exactly how I want to feel at the end of OP everyday. So this will be my goal. The weight will come off in time. Now I must learn to be patient with myself and the plan.

Wannabehealthy
05-25-2014, 07:22 AM
Trish, I think you can still get on WW online even after you quit, but you can't log in to everything. I can still get on there, but I rarely go there because I'm no longer following WW. I think the reason everyone says you have to eat all your points is if you complain that you're not losing. If you are still losing using 20 points, go for it! That's what it's all about.

The first time I had spaghetti squash I didn't like it because I expected it to taste like spaghetti. I tried it again and made it with butter and onion and then I liked it.

Shannon, Way to go reaching 189! And with a low FBG, too! You must have been a very good girl.:angel: Have fun on your trip, and don't be too worried about what you're eating. I think you will do well!

I never thought to look in the refrigerated section. I'll look next time I'm there. I at least want to try them.

Kris, what are the benefits of coconut oil? Sometimes when I hear what it's doing for me it justifies the cost. I think I expected it to taste like coconut.

I too will probably never change from low carb as nothing else works for me. I'm probably not doing it strict enough because the weight is not falling off quickly, but at least I'm not gaining like I do with other plans.

Ruthie! So glad you stopped in! It sound as though you are keeping yourself very busy. I have a conversion chart that tells me your "5" is around a "90", so that's really good. Keep up the good work. We lose a lot slower than we used to but it will come off and stay off.

pattygirl63
05-25-2014, 09:20 AM
A quick flyby as I'm running late and we are going to church this morning. I overslept. Couldn't go to sleep until sometime around 3 am, not good when I need to get up at least by 7:45 am.

Still up a lb this week, but my fbs was 105. Lowest it's been in years.

Shannon I forgot to congratulate you on your 189 lbs. Enjoy your trip and try not to worry too much about your weight.

Carol Sue I found a thread on another site where they do low carb on WW and just eat protein, fruit and veggies and no grains. I'm thinking about joining that group. I realize that if I really want to when I get back from trip that I can do lowcarb and WW. So that just may be my goal. I'll see. However, if my fbs stays down with the way I'm eating, I just may keep things the way they are.

Got to run. BBL

pattygirl63
05-25-2014, 04:47 PM
Went out to eat at Huddle House after church and I got home to figure points. Figuring conservatively, I've blown the whole weeks weekly points and today's and maybe tomorrows. Counting calories conservatively, I have not blown my calories. Thinking maybe calorie counting is the wisest way to go. Either way, the only thing to do from here is to just keep eating OP the rest of the day and forget this mornings meal. There was a time when I would have just consider the day "blown" and just go wild the rest of the day, but I don't want to do that any more. So I feel good about the fact that I have changed and I see progress in my attitude.

One thing I've learned is to be extremely careful when eating anything at the Huddle House as it seems most of their food is extremely high in calories.

pattygirl63
05-25-2014, 05:30 PM
Info I just learned from Thin for Life book. Everyone has a RMR (Resting Metabolic Rate) of energy that our body needs for bare minimum things such as breathing, heart pumping and to regulate body temperature. Even if we aren't active this takes about 20 to 30 percent of our calories.

There was a research done with 5 women whose individual RMR was 1263, 152, 1778, 1979 and 2152 calories a day. They said if these women ate just 1200 calories a day for 3 months, they would lose 11, 20, 28, 35 and 40 pounds, respectively. This RMR explains why some people lose more quickly than others. One doctor says that if you are a slow loser that you need to learn to have the attitude when losing a small amount that "at least I did lose something and I didn't gain". The book says that even if you have a low RMR which you have no influence over, you still can control over the amount of calories that you expend in exercise. They also bring out the fact that as you cut back calories that your RMR slows down and when you reach your goal that you won't be able to eat as many calories you did before dieting. Example. If it took 2400 calories to maintain when you weighed 200 lbs, then you will never be able to go back to eating 2400 calories when you reach 150 lbs. Also, unfortunately, RMR drops as most of us age. The good news is that the exercise we do may offset at least some of this change.

This explains a lot for why we have difficulty losing and we lose so slowly when we do.

pattygirl63
05-26-2014, 08:25 AM
I woke up at 4:30 this morning and couldn't go back to sleep so I just got up and continued reading Thin for Life. Then went over to IE thread to read and I've decided to go back to doing IE.

I've learned through the book that there seems to be 2 types of weight loss people who have learned to become masters at keeping the weight off after losing. 1) Those who use a formal diet program and 2) those who do not. However, those who lose and learn to keep it off also have learned how to eat only when they are hungry and even how to include their favorite foods so they never binge.

IE is the way I ate as a child and every time I've been thin as an adult. If I was hungry, I ate and if I wasn't hungry then I did not eat. And I ate whatever I wanted. That is the way I want to learn to eat again. I want to get back to the place where I can enjoy what I eat and not feel guilty about it and not feel that there are good/bad foods. Just let it be food. Does that mean I won't eat healthy? Of course not. I also think life will be a lot less stressful when it comes to food.

Wannabehealthy
05-26-2014, 09:16 AM
Trish, the thing about IE is...it's normal eating behavior. It's the way our bodies were programed to eat. It's the opposite of mindless eating, which most overweight people do. It can be done with Low Carb, Weight Watchers, calorie counting, or most other food plans.

Another thing I saw posted on another thread is, when trying to lose weight, cut your calories back to the amount needed to maintain your goal weight. By the time you reach that goal weight, you will be accustomed to eating that many calories.

In the long run, I don't think it matters what weight loss plan you follow, as long as it is one that works for you long term.

pattygirl63
05-26-2014, 11:34 AM
Carol Sue I agree. I've often thought that if you start out eating the amount of calories that it takes to maintain the weight you want to reach would be helpful in maintaining because you wouldn't have to change anything. It seems like that the people who have learned how to maintain and not gain their weight back seem to pretty much eat the way they did when dieting. Also I read that you need to think of it as eating the way you will eat for life and not to think of it as a diet. It really makes sense to me. It is also about taking your favorite foods and working them into you eating plan so you don't get tempted to binge and lose the tendency to eat off. I think this is the way for me because it will keep me from feeling deprived and having these feeling of rebellion concerning a diet.

I'm kind of learning how to put those foods into the amount calories I need to eat each day.

Shannonsnail
05-26-2014, 09:53 PM
We made it safely to our vacation destination :-) my daughter is high as a kite (from excitement) and will not sleep. It is going to be a rough morning tomorrow. We have to be at a timeshare presentation (we are at a timeshare and want the $100 incentive for going to it....will NOT be buying one!) very early and then will go to Busch Gardens after that. Eating has been okay, not "low carb" but reasonable. I did indulge in a super yummy dessert tonight at a nice steak place we like in this area. Hubby says when we get back he is ready to lose weight. We'll see.... Hope you are all well!

Wannabehealthy
05-27-2014, 09:22 AM
I'm glad to hear you're having a good time Shannon. Don't worry about not staying low carb. You will do fine. It's good that your husband brought up that he wants to lose weight. It has to come from him. You can't force him, but you are setting a good example and that should inspire him. Good luck! Enjoy the rest of your trip.

Trish, when I lost weight the first time I maintained the loss for 10 years by eating primarily low carb. It wasn't until I married my husband that I eventually started eating carbs again and gained it all back and then some. Carbs are NOT my friend. I know that many people say that you need carbs, and it's true. I eat carbs in the form of vegetables and beans. It's the starchy carbs that get me in trouble. Numbers don't lie. That's just me. I envy those like my husband who can eat carbs and not gain weight, but I'm just fooling myself if I think I can do it.

My husband always argued with me that carbs do not make you gain weight, using himself as an example. When he got sick recently he started to lose weight. Now he is trying to maintain the loss and I have noticed that he is eating very little carbs. When he eats a sandwich, he omits one slice of the bread or bun. And yesterday, when I went to make potato salad I noticed that my potatoes are all shriveling up because no one is eating them. He hasn't been buying any donuts or cookies, either. He would NEVER admit to me that he's cutting back on carbs. LOL

pattygirl63
05-27-2014, 11:00 AM
Shannon So glad you are having a good time. I lived in FL (not sure that is where you are or not as I think there's another one somewhere) for 4 yrs and never got to see Busch Gardens and some other places I still want to go see. Maybe if my son moves there like his companion wants to do I can see it then. It will really help if your DH decides to lose weight too. Enjoy your trip and I'm sure you will do fine with the eating.

Carol Sue In Thin for Life, they say many people lose weight with low carb, but they don't maintain with it. I don't think that is true because I see people on another site and also we have Kim on Atkins that have kept the weight down with it.

I too know that I have my limits on how many carbs that I can and cannot eat. I had a little more carbs the past two days... eating at Huddle House really derailed me, but I'm back to eating the way I know I have to eat. I still am eating low carbish Intuitively. I have my plan for today already planned out. I've changed some things on MFP. I lowered my calories to 1500 although I don't plan to go over 1200 most days and I changed my exercise to 20 minutes on recumbent bike 4 days a week instead of 30 minutes 3 days. Even watching tv, I get bored riding longer and perhaps 4 to 5 days at 20 minutes will be easier. Of course, cutting back the carbs back some will help me to feel more like exercise so I may do more some days and might also do 5 days instead of the 4 planned. It seems like if I'm eating right that I seem to have more energy.

I've decided that the only days on my trip that I will be at someone elses mercy on decisions of what to eat will be at Tony's son's house. After that I will have more leverage. When I get to my sister's house, I can eat pretty much OP. I'm thinking about doing CAD most days using the Atkins shakes. I could use the shakes for 2 or 3 times a day in place of meals and then eat whatever I have to eat when eating out. On the day we go we will be eating before we get to their house, so we will only be at his son's house for 2 full day when we will eat out with them. It isn't an exact CAD plan as Atkins shakes aren't really on CAD, but it will be a modified way to get me through those 2 days and keep me low carbish. When I get to my sister's, I can go buy eggs etc for my breakfast and sandwich meat etc for snacks. In fact, I've seen salads... egg/tuna salads in stores (probably not exactly low carb) that could be used maybe even in place of a shake. I think once I get even a Modified Low Carb plan in my head that I will be able to relax about all this. I just don't want to lose the ground I've gained up to this point. I sure would like to come back home at least at the weight I am when I leave and my fbs in a good range.

pattygirl63
05-27-2014, 11:09 AM
Carol Sue No the numbers don't lie. That is what my doctor said when I told him that I could not eat oatmeal. And neither does the way my body reacts to too many starchy carbs. I had too many starchy carbs yesterday for me. To someone else it would have been a good day, but not for me. When I got ready to go to bed last night, I found a rash under my right breast. When a rash pops out anywhere on my body, it is a way that my body is telling me that I've gone too far on the carby stuff. My fbs was 132 yesterday, but I figured that was because I was up at 4:30 because I wasn't able to sleep more than 4 hrs and took fbs early. Today after a good nights sleep, it was 135. So we know that our bodies have special ways of telling us to back off of the carby foods. Our numbers don't lie.

Wannabehealthy
05-27-2014, 12:27 PM
Trish, I think the studies show that 80% of people who lose weight aren't able to maintain long term, no matter what plan they follow. Look at how many people are on 3FatChicks who say they regained and are trying again. So it's not just low carb. This is why they say you should choose a plan you can stay on for the rest of your life, because you can't go back to the way you ate before and expect to maintain your loss. Anyone can say anything in a book. I think the Atkins book says that people who follow low fat or low calorie can't maintain. ...it's up to the individual person to find what works for them.

I think you will do fine on your trip. If faced with food that is not low carb, fill up on vegetables and water and eat small portions of everything else.

pattygirl63
05-27-2014, 03:18 PM
Trish, I think the studies show that 80% of people who lose weight aren't able to maintain long term, no matter what plan they follow. Look at how many people are on 3FatChicks who say they regained and are trying again. So it's not just low carb. This is why they say you should choose a plan you can stay on for the rest of your life, because you can't go back to the way you ate before and expect to maintain your loss. Anyone can say anything in a book. I think the Atkins book says that people who follow low fat or low calorie can't maintain. ...it's up to the individual person to find what works for them.

I think you will do fine on your trip. If faced with food that is not low carb, fill up on vegetables and water and eat small portions of everything else.

I agree 100%.

Shannonsnail
05-28-2014, 03:52 PM
Still eating "reasonably" over here. The amount of walking and sweating is probably offsetting the carbs I am eating. Sticking to water and unsweet tea for beverages. Brought some Atkins snacks with me for treats. Even though I am not on plan this is probably the best I've ever eaten on a vacation, so far, so I have definitely made progress in my "lifestyle change".

Shannonsnail
05-28-2014, 08:48 PM
Argh....reasonable ended at dinner tonight, it was a carb festival. I was HALT -hungry, angry, lonely and tired. Oh well, tomorrow comes soon enough :-)

Wannabehealthy
05-29-2014, 09:07 AM
Shannon, don't dwell on one bad meal. You just get back on plan. All the walking is very good! I'll bet Olivia is having a ball! :smug:

Today, my FBG was 120, the best I've had in a while, so I've been no angel either. My weight is up 3 lbs. But I'll get it back down again.

I saw this article in our local newspaper and would be of interest to the older posters in our group, although it is also important to the younger ones long term. So many people say "I can lose weight without exercising" but it's beneficial for so many other things, such as mobility in later years.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/health/2014/05/28/Moderate-exercising-beneficial-to-the-aging/stories/201405280057

pattygirl63
05-29-2014, 11:04 AM
Had a busy day yesterday. Had to go get blood draw for 3 month check up and will get results next week. We went to eat at Golden Corral after DH got his blood draw and I came home and was sick. I have always heard that buffets are not the place to eat because people touch the spoons and not everyone is clean. As much as I've always liked eating there, DH says that every time we eat there that one of us gets sick. So we decided to never eat there again. I was sick running to toilet until after 3am this morning.

Good thing that came out of it is that my weight is back down to 221.4. So I decided that I love this light feeling and I'm going to take advantage of being empty and get right back on my low carb plan. My fbs was 107 yesturday and was 104 this morning. So that is really good.

I've actually modified my plan so that I have my eggs and turkey bacon for breakfast, a balanced meal for lunch and then I have raw veggies with sliced FF sandwich meat for dinner and an Atkins shake or yogurt with fruit for snacks. Not low lowcarb but not hi carb either.

Shannon You are actually doing good and being a little off won't derail you if you don't let it. Life happens. We can't control everythng. Even you said yourself that you are doing better than you usually do on vacation. So give yourself a pat on the back for getting back OP today. How is Olivia enjoying the vacation? I'm sure she is loving it.

Carol Sue The fbs being lower is good. I guess we have to learn to take the good and those things we don't like so well. I'm sure the 3 lbs is just water weight, but we sure don't like it. I'm sure it will come back down. I just think we have these things along the way and lot of it is because we have to learn as we go what we can and can't do and dealing with blood sugar is even worse.

I didn't tell y'all that when I went to eat at the Huddle House that my weight jumped up almost 10 lbs. Was that trip to Huddle House worth it? Absolutely NOT and I will never allow myself to splurge like that again. It has taken me 4 days to get my weight back down and I had to get sick to even do that. In fact, I'm beginning to hate eating out more and more. A tough lesson learned.

I have started buying some lowfat products as well as light products. Then I realized that some lowfat foods substitue the fat with that olean (I think that is how you spell it). I don't think I've eve thought about that and will have to watch that. I've always thought I would use lowfat where I could and sub with good fat. I just may have to re-think that.

Well, I got a call from my DD yesterday that a lady was trying to get in touch with me. Something about my previous hubby's grandfather had acreage in TX that he still has mineral rights to. I talked to the lady and learned that she was looking for all his grandkids/descendents. I was telling her what I knew about different ones. I was so hurt to learn that my ex-sister-in-law, I had known her and Bill's brother since my early teens before I knew Bill, had died 2 yrs ago. Evidently she had alzheimers which really shocked me as she loved learning. I think she took every course that Sam Houston University offered. She was a wonderful elementary teacher who truly loved her students. I read the obituary and she had worked up to teaching 5th grade. I had not seen them since the day we buried Bill. My heart has really been sad for Bill's brother because he and she had been married 50 yrs, but they dated a least 6 to 8 yrs before they married.

Then I asked the lady if she had talked to Bill's brother David and I found out that he died this past December. So sad a day for me. I hadn't seen David in years because once he married his second wife, he never came around us any more except to plan his mothers burial. He didn't even call or say anything to me when Bill died. But at one time, we had been really close when he and his 1st wife were together and we were there for him during their divorce. An awful lot has happened since Bill died almost 14 yrs ago. I'm try now to get info to get in touch with Bill's one living brother because I want him to know that I didn't know and that he is in my thoughts and prayers. I remember how hurt I was that I never heard from David and I don't want him to be hurt by not hearing from me.

Well, I guess I am wordy and made up for no posting yesterday.

Have a good day.

silentarctic
05-29-2014, 02:46 PM
Carol Sue I can't read the article, but the premise /title sounds pretty much along my experience/lifes philosophy. Exercise for me isn't about weight loss its about improving general fitness and quality of life (and now for me idealy about helping manage blood sugars).

Patty sorry you had all that hard news yesterday! Hope the bloodwork turns out positive for you though.

Shannon sorry you had a rough dinner :(


On me I splurged and bought myself a glucose meter and some test strips. So hopefully I'll find time to play with that tonight so I can start getting a handle on this.

Shannonsnail
05-29-2014, 11:12 PM
We are home from vacation. We were supposed to stay til Saturday but left this afternoon bc my husband lost a filling and needs to get to the dentist tomorrow. We had a good time but didn't do all we wanted bc we expected to have more time. Olivia enjoyed the things we did do though. I have been sick all day with, let's just say tummy problems. I'm not sure if I have food poisoning or am having a bad reaction to a new med I started two weeks ago or what. I hope I feel better tomorrow, heading to bed. I am planning to weigh tomorrow and see what happened. I did really well til Wed at dinner but it went downhill for 24 hrs after that, lol. I am ready to go grocery shopping tomorrow!

Wannabehealthy
05-30-2014, 06:39 AM
Last night I made grilled fish and asparagus for dinner. It was a nice light meal and we ate around 4PM. I didn't eat anything after that and when I went to bed BS was 110. After I got in bed I was so hungry, so I got up and ate a slice of cheese, thinking that the fat in the cheese would curb my hunger. I slept until 5AM and woke up hungry! I got up and checked my BS and it was 103, so I guess that slice of cheese didn't hurt me. But I had to make some scrambled eggs and eat because I was starving. Now I can't go back to bed. For some reason, I don't get enough sleep on Thursday nights into Friday. I think it's because I know that DH is going to want to go to the casino and I don't want to go every weekend. He wins, but I don't do as well.

Artic, I'm sorry you couldn't read the article, but it was interesting to me because the study was done in the Pittsburgh area, and that's where I'm from. They started a walking study for senior citizens and they interviewed them and said how much better they felt and how they could get around much better now that they are walking regularly. It basically said that's the key to being mobile in your senior years.

Pretty picture, by the way!

Shannon, sorry you had to cut your vacation short and that you got sick. Hope you're feeling better after a good night's sleep.

Trish, sorry to hear that you got sick, too. We have a Golden Corral about 10 miles away in a town we don't like to go to, so we have never been there. We used to have a buffet in our town, but for some reason, it didn't seem up to par, and now it closed. I remember one time we were there and a family came in. The mother took Clorox wipes out of her purse and cleaned the table. Then she put down paper placemats with silverware wrapped in them. I guess you can't be too careful, but I thought she was going a little too far. LOL The only buffet we go to now is at the casino, and it's perfect. We have never had a problem. We do go to a place that has a nice breakfast buffet and at lunch time, a salad bar. We have seen little kids go up to the bar and put something on their plate, then they decided they don't want it and use their hands to put it back. They have a sign saying not to let kids come up alone, but people think their kids are old enough to handle it. Sometimes I want to tell those kids not to put things back. If they don't want it, just don't eat it.

Shannonsnail
05-30-2014, 07:56 AM
I didn't even gain a full pound from vacation....that should tell you about my tummy troubles, lol. I feel better this morning but haven't eaten yet. Yesterday eating precipitated the cramping and diarrhea so I'm almost afraid to eat.

love2b150
05-30-2014, 11:07 AM
I've got a lot of catch up reading to do.

Shannon drink some broth, it's easy on the stomach. :welcome: back and I said that on another thread that is will help with weight. Not the way you wanted to do it I know but you get something out of the bathroom visits. :hug: Hope you're feeling 100% soon :hug:

My update after my high 160 fbs readings today was 101. I think 109 was my lowest. My weight is up from May 1st by 3.4lbs it was higher by 8 to almost 10lbs but I have managed to get it together the past two days and lose some of the bloat.

pattygirl63
05-30-2014, 11:35 AM
Yesterday's eating was crazy. Not going to track on MFP today. I'm just going to go for low carb eating all day. I am going to try that for a few days and see how I do. I think knowing how many calories I still have each day is derailing me. I am so bad about eating them whether I really hungry or not. I already know that when I eat low carb that my calories automatically go lower. I do have ideas in my head, but will work out details as I go. Also DH got up extremely early yesterday and that means he wants to eat earlier than usual. It is good that he is turning his sleeping around since we are going on our trip, but it sure throws off my eating times. It would be no problem in the long run once I get used to it if he was consistently getting up early.

My weight was back up 2 lbs today but that really was no surprise as my low yesterday was due to diarrhea the night before. FBS back up today which is no surprise with all the carby foods yesterday. Some were healthy carbs, but just too much. Back on track today.

Shannon So sorry vacation had to be shortened. Sure hope that he gets the tooth taken care of and back to normal. Glad Olivia enjoyed the things you got to do. Glad you are feeling better today.

Arctic I like to know what my fbs runs and there are times I like to check it throughout the day. Just to stay on top of things.

Carol Sue Publix has opened a store here and we went to look around to see what they have. They are expensive, but DH and I were so excited with the meat department. You can get meat cut the size you want and they have a wonderful variety of fish. I loved red snapper when I was growing up and they carry it as well as some other choices we haven't been able to get here. It is farther than we usually have to drive to shop but it is going to be worth the drive to get the variety. DH only likes cod and will eat flounder. Now we can have another choice. Even if he won't eat it, I can have it for an evening meal with some greens.

I don't remember if I told y'all that we finally got a grill during Lowe's Memorial day sale. We had been waiting for them to come on sale. We have it sitting on the inclosed back porch as we won't use it until we get back from our trip and I don't want it sitting out in the weather without us here. I have a nice cover for it, but I had a nice cover for my old one and it the kids didn't put it on right and it blew away. I am looking forward to using it for cooking when I came back home. Especially since I plan to do an Atkins/SBD eating when I return home.

Well, I better close this before it becomes a book. Y'all have a great day.

pattygirl63
05-30-2014, 11:50 AM
I've got a lot of catch up reading to do.

Shannon drink some broth, it's easy on the stomach. :welcome: back and I said that on another thread that is will help with weight. Not the way you wanted to do it I know but you get something out of the bathroom visits. :hug: Hope you're feeling 100% soon :hug:

My update after my high 160 fbs readings today was 101. I think 109 was my lowest. My weight is up from May 1st by 3.4lbs it was higher by 8 to almost 10lbs but I have managed to get it together the past two days and lose some of the bloat.

Rennie Glad to see you and you are getting things working for you again.

love2b150
05-30-2014, 11:52 AM
Catching up from the 20th page 12

Trish, sleeping with a pillow under your knees helps with the swelling/bloat? Trish have you tried the oatmeal without the whey protein yet? I would think that the protein powder wouldn't rocket your bs because it's more protein and the carbs are lower. Definitely lower than oatmeal and most yogurt. Ha 4/10 of a pound after pizza is great. I'd love to be able to do that, but the veggies helped I'm sure :) I like the idea of halfing food anyway since restaurant portions are ridiculous. Makes for a treat later :) Hope your Dad is feeling well. :hug:

Carol Sue I never thought about eating a small meal with a shake. That's a thought :) Carol Sue Aldi had those chocolate bars here for 50 cents I bought them for the kids and my husband. Luckily I'm not a fan of plain chocolate but with peanut butter, mint or a wafer, yum. Dark chocolate is the chocolate that is good for you has to be some high percentage of cocoa. I think 60 or 70%. and then it's only like one Ghirardelli square :) I'm still reading but I'm glad the palpitations stopped with the decaf coffee. Good catch :) On the fried tilapia. My son is always experimenting. Well he decided to deep fry some tilapia in flour not cornmeal. I get on him about the crumbs/drippings left in the bottom of the deep fryer (hard to clean) too heavy so you can barely tell there is flour on it. I ate a piece and it wasn't greasy at all and you couldn't even tell he had coated it. And no blood sugar spikes. I eaten it several times two pieces for dinner. and the best part, no stinky fish smell for days in the house :) Just a thought :)

from 5/21 ~
... the carbs, for me, are just gateways to uncontrollable eating regardless of hunger. Once I let them in it's like they need friends to come with them, lol! And I'm still thinking about them today after eating my solid low carb breakfast.... They are ridiculously powerful. Some have written how they act similarly to drugs and I really do see that. Anyway, with God's grace, I will say no to the "drugs" and get back on track today.

Shannon I am going to add this to my signature --> CARBS, for me, are just gateways to uncontrollable eating regardless of hunger. Oh my goodness this is me. But you said the right thing with God's grace I will say no to the "carb drugs" and stay on track :hug:

onto 5/21

kris you know what I've started doing when I have a taste for pizza? I have yet to make the cauliflower crust but my little one decided one day that she wanted melted cheese. So she put shredded cheese on a plate and microwaved it. I said that's just crazy, then I decided let me add some toppings to it. I added pepperoni, green pepper, onion and sausage. So so good, lots of protein and minimal carbs. I have also done it with a couple tblsp of pizza sauce though not the same without the bread/crust to me. Just a thought :)

Posting now because I am famous for deleting a long post so read away ... missed my chatty informative friends :hug:

love2b150
05-30-2014, 12:47 PM
ok page 13 :)

I had a low carb breakfast but then after I pucked my daughter up we went to a mexican place and I went bonkers. At dinner I was back to low carb. This is how it was before too. I would have a good on plan day then off then on then off.....it seems like the carb cravings have to sputter out of my system, lol. Oh well....you know what? Even a "bad" day now is probably half the carbs I used to eat on an average day. I really am doing well, in general, even on some of my worst days now....that is progress. I weighed today and the scale is inching up but I'm not in fear of gaining it all back like I used to be. I think mentally I'm making a lot of progress....used to if I had a bad meal or day I just quit, it was too hard. Now I might feel a little bad but I know I'm going to keep trying. It's progress, albeit small :-)

Great insight Shannon, and love your positivity :) Enjoy crafting, I like doing things like that with Rissa also, though she's more creative than me :) Shannon, the Shirataki noodles are pricey since you only get two servings. I've grown to like them. Just had some for dinner the other night. Will finish my last serving tonight for dinner. I underestimated the beef in my serving so I'll need to add a little more protein so I won't want to eat more after dinner :) Where did you pick them up for $1.99. I got them at Lowe's Food and Walmart in Morrisville and they were 2 something. Ok I see you went to Walmart also. Yay on your weigh in and fbs on 5/24 GO YOU :high:

I like the spaghetti squash with or without sauce but it is a lot of trouble :)

Trish, why is it that people feel the need to critic what you/we do? That was the problem I had on MFP and why I made my diary private. Like Carol Sue and we all have said what works for one doesn't work for all and I feel that if we can put a plan together that is healthy made up from different areas/plans and it works and we can stick to it which is key then it is my choice. Glad you have figured out what works. I have decided to do 5:2 more 4:3 but using the OA low carb menu plan (a tip I got from post-er on another thread) I've only been at it two days but it has taken off 3.6 pounds of this bloat since I know it's not true weight :) Love it --> Doing it my way is part of learning to take responsibility for my diet by making this "my own personal" plan. Drinking green tea and water is helping me stay satiated as well. I have no intention of letting anyone determine for how many pts/calories that I have to eat ever again. Thin for Life also mentions the importance of us feeling the power of being in control of our own life and eating habits. Love it --> There was a time when I would have just consider the day "blown" and just go wild the rest of the day, but I don't want to do that any more. So I feel good about the fact that I have changed and I see progress in my attitude. my inspirational friends :)

Carol Sue, I went to Carlie C's and they had a bag of Kale with a seasoning pack in them to make seasoned Kale chips. I had never seen that before. I didn't buy them it was the last bag and on mark down. I neglected to write the name down. I would love to try them :) Carol Sue, I sometimes think that is the key to not craving carbs in abundance just having a bite when you have that taste for it. Though I will admit sometimes that has not worked for me :) I have a big jar of coconut oil also. It will get used just not sure how often :) you're right it was pricey. I'm glad it doesn't taste like coconut I don't like the flavor or smell of coconut :)

kris how much coconut oil do you add to your smoothie? Is there a benefit to having it early in the day? or do you know the benefits over all? I bought it either for a recipe or on a recommendation from someone and now I have no idea why :dizzy: but I will use it :) When I was first diagnose my doctor told me that if I walked for at least 20 minutes after dinner it would help with my fbs :) I don't think I have ever done it but I would probably have better readings if I did :) I am noticing better readings when I don't eat anything after 6:30-7pm.

hi Ruth, good to see you though i'm several days late. You have been busy ... enjoy :)

Ok next page :) I will keep you all reading today for sure ;)

pattygirl63
05-30-2014, 05:04 PM
Rennie The pillow under the legs doesn't help the bloat but it does help with the swelling.

Shannonsnail
05-30-2014, 07:03 PM
Still not well over here and on top of the tummy issues my TOM arrived.....shoot me now! Lol! I'm reading just not much energy for posting....plus nothing to say, you really don't want any additional details, lol!

pattygirl63
05-30-2014, 08:59 PM
Shannon Sorry you are still feeling poorly. Surely hope you get to feeling better soon.

I've had a good eating day. Actually believe I did better without counting anything. I'll just have to see how it goes in the long haul.

kris2008
05-30-2014, 09:16 PM
I really don't know specific benefits for coconut oil. I'm just getting more oil into my diet. Tablespoon of coconut oil and flaxseeds in my morning smoothee. A couple Brazil nuts or peanuts or pecans between smoothee and lunch. Lots of olive oil and boiled eggs in my huge dinner salad. Oil seems to help my blood sugar levels and keeps me not hungry between meals. Hoping it will help my old alligator skin and they say it is good for memory. I know it makes my dogs' coats look all nice and glossy!

kris2008
05-30-2014, 09:31 PM
Rennie - good idea regarding pizza. I'll have to try that. Course I'm hoping after I've lost another 18 pounds I can have pizza in moderation without raising sugar so high! I just hope I didn't wait too long to try to reverse this sugar problem. I tell everybody now not to mess around with borderline diabetes. I've had it for 10 years and not done anything about it until the levels put me right over the ledge into the land of real diabetes. I didn't realize that borderline is already not good for your body. I am fortunate that I'm not taking medication and dedicated low carb eating and exercise are keeping FBS usually below 115, occasionally below 110. Work in progress!

love2b150
05-30-2014, 10:43 PM
Thanks Trish, :hug: LOL I am never gonna get caught up here so I pray everyone is as well as can be and Shannon, I do hope your tummy feels better soon. :hug: Have you tried Pepto or Imodium <-- spelling. I've had to use them before and they did help though the chalky taste makes you want to gag.

kris I was borderline for years also and then the weight came on and my A1c was 10.5 and the metformin started. I do think that with next 30lbs I should be able to come off of it. That is my hope. I'm happy for you that you don't have to take any meds. Keep up the great work :)

Wannabehealthy
05-31-2014, 07:18 AM
My weight is back down to 194 again. It's like someone put up a force field and my scale just won't go any lower. Last night at the casino I ate a hamburger without the bun, just with some lettuce and tomato. Boy did I want that big fluffy bun, but I resisted. I did eat some potato chips though, then when we got home I had a chicken leg. When I went to bed my BS was 124, probably due to the potato chips, and when I got up it was 123...so pretty steady through the night. This was without the glimiperide, so I'm satisfied with that. I get my next A1c on July 1.

It's is a good thing that I don't like sweets. We stopped at the grocery store on the way home last night and they were having a 2-day sale. DH bought 2 peach pies at $2.99 each, and a dozen raisin cookies at $2.99. It's getting anymore that he won't eat anything that doesn't have tons of sugar. I worry about him, but I'm getting tired of worrying about someone who doesn't look out for himself.

Rennie, it's so good to see you back! :hug: We've missed you! I know you are getting tired of this up and down, and I am, too. It comes back on so much faster than it goes off.

I am trying to find out the benefits of Coconut Oil, too. Even Kim on the Atkins Board suggests putting it in your coffee. She says it makes it bullet proof, but I don't know what that means, and to me, that just sounds gross. It looks like lard, and I can't imagine I would like having it in my coffee, but they always say, "Don't knock it til you try it!"

For a while there, I was walking for 15 minutes after dinner and it really helped with my FBG. I don't know why I stopped doing it. Just lazy I guess. I know it's a really good habit to get into.

Shannon, sorry you are still not feeling well, but I hope you get the benefits on the scale, at least. There is a silver lining. :D I used to take Immodium tablets and they really help, but be careful, because they can really make you go the other way. I'm not sure which is worse.

Kris, you are smart to catch the prediabetes before it gets out of hand, but I think you wil probably aways have to watch what you eat. It seems once your body goes wonky, it doesn't go back 100%. But you are learning to watch your carbs, so you probably won't have any problem. I do want my A1c back below 7 and I think I am probably at that point, but I really don't mind taking the Metformin. It's cheap, and has no side effects for me as far as I know.

Trish, I rarely track anything anymore. The only time I do it is when I am wondering about a certain food, then I will go into Fitday and enter it in to see what the nutritional info is. I do this especially with recipes....I enter all the ingredients then divide to see how it comes out per portion. Maybe I would do better if I track, but half the time I forget what all I ate. I don't write it down as I go. I have sometimes noticed that if I enter a food on Fitday, the information it gives me is not the same as the nutritional info on the package. I had to make a custom entry for my Smart Balance spread because nothing on Fitday was equal to what it says on the package. I think my Fitday program is outdated and doesn't include newer products.

If you don't feel hungry, don't worry about how low your calories are unless your weightloss is stalled. Sometimes you can miscalculate and you might actually be eating more calories than MFP says. I never try to eat more. I don't care how low my calories go, but they don't go low too many times. I have no problem getting in all my calories! LOL I have a problem keeping them low!!

Shannonsnail
05-31-2014, 08:19 AM
Bulletproof coffee.... I am on a low carb eating group on FB (I resisted being in a group on this new family only acct for a long time but was desperate for new recipes). Alot of folks on there drink them....for the oils they say start with a tsp and work up to a tbsp. supposed to be quality coffee, grassfed butter and medium chain trigylceride oil (which coconut oil mostly is) plus sweetener if desired and heavy whipping cream if desired, blend til frothy. They say it is not oily when blended well and benefit is its good quality fats that keep you full longer. I haven't tried it yet. They sell grassfed butter (Kerrygold brand) at Costco and Trader Joes here (maybe Whole Foods, I haven't checked), need to get that first.

love2b150
05-31-2014, 11:32 AM
Thanks Carol Sue :) I miss you all too ... and I try to read this thread especially because you all really help me with this illness. It's just the post are so long sometimes it's hard to keep up, but do keep posting them (I still have to read page 14 :)) another lazy thing with me reading :) With regards to worrying about your husband, you'll never stop worrying and someone has to :) I told you my husband is the same way, chips, cookies, bread, ice cream, for him anything quick. He doesn't cook, and won't look in the fridge to heat up left overs but will eat them if I heat it up and bring it to him. I told him that I think he's borderline diabetic but he won't listen but he'll find out when he goes to the doctor. Whenever that will be. I think putting in my coffee would be gross also because it would be grease floating which would make me gag every time I looked in the cup so it would be wasted. But I could put it in a smoothie for sure like Kris does. I don't know why I never walked after my meals either other than just lazy. When I was told to do it, I had gestational diabetes and I get so heavy while pregnant I don't want to do anything especially with swollen ankles. Oh well we live and we prayerfully learn :)

Shannon let me know when you try it. I just comment about seeing the grease floating so that may help, but heavy whipping cream sounds like something not so good for us. Let me know please. How are you feeling today? Scale number like Carol Sue and I said should be great :hug:

Well thank goodness for treadmills and 8 full hours of sleep. :carrot: for me!!! Y'all know I started May 1 @ 159.8. I had a really rough time staying OP this month but thanks to a few tips from some really good friends here and on MFP I got it together these last few days. It was really water weight with all of the ups and downs. I am ending today May 31 at 160.6 only a .8 gain for the month and my fbs this morning was 98. I have not seen it that low EVER. (actually I did when I was on insulin while pregnant with the last two children) but not after being diagnosed with type II in 2011. What a blessing. I am very very happy.

Wannabehealthy
06-01-2014, 11:26 AM
http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/diabetes-support/296407-june-chat.html