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love2b150
04-01-2014, 08:46 AM
Welcome to the Diabetes monthly chat ... :wave:


love2b150
04-01-2014, 08:50 AM
I've put an egg salad back on my list if I need it. However, I really need to eat it if I can so I can eat at least 1200 calories. I make my plan and then I tweat it throughout the day to adjust solium, calories and now carbs and fiber. So it is different from original plan, but it is better because sodium is lower.

I read that you shouldn't exercise right after a meal. I got half way through my exercise and indigestion hit me really hard so I guess I will have to start waiting 2 hrs after eating to exercise.

This is all a learning experience and learning to listen to the signals my body sends me. I'm not hungry, but I have to say I reeaaalllyy want my usual carbs right now. However, I do know that you have to do the AI for a good 3 days before the cravings go away. By day 4, I should be rid of those cravings. So I probably will make myself eat the egg salad later this evening.

I'll catch y'all tomorrow.

Trish sorry you didn't feel well while exercising :hug: I have to eat before I exercise or I feel nauseous and light headed. It also makes me feel like I am burning all that ate so added incentive :)

Wannabehealthy
04-01-2014, 10:20 AM
Rennie - Oh how heartbreaking it would be to have to buy all new clothes! LOL Wait til your daughter is in her teens...she will see how much fun clothes shopping can be!

I have settled in with the new med. With my eating plan, which is between 1000-1200 calories per day, my numbers are forming a pattern. They are still too high (fbs 142) but way lower than the 200s I'd been having. I think weight loss will bring it down lower and eventually I can stop taking it. That is my plan. I exercised gently yesterday for 25 min and did not experience a dangerous drop. I exercise about an hour after I eat. Long enough not to get indigestion, but short enough that my BS is rising from my meal, to avoid a low.

Shannon - You are getting the hang of it. Luckily you are Prediabetic and small changes will really help in the long run. We want to continue to get this type of good news from you! I wish I had been given the opportunity to do this before I became full blown diatetic.

Trish - According to Fitday, I am consuming about 30 gm carb per day. It's actually hidden carb because I am still not eating any bread, pasta, rice, potatoes or sweets. Except the night before last I ate lasagne. It was planned. My husband wanted it for dinner and I wanted to see how this new med would react with a carby meal. But I was able to go right back to low carb and not binge. I have not lost anymore weight after that 6 lb drop, but I have also not gained. My fiber has dropped considerably and I am seeing signs of that. I have cut out my high fiber crackers because of the carbs, and I have not had any beans all week. I use canned beans. I rinse and drain them then refrigerate, but they seem to go bad before I can eat them all. I'm thinking of freezing them in 1/2 cup portions because they will defrost quickly when I want them.

It is normal to be craving carbs. Your body is used to having them and needs to adjust. In a few more days, the cravings will subside. I get them a bit after I finish a meal. It's as if my body feels that it needs that slice of bread. After a while it goes away.

Here's hoping we all reach goal before long. I intend to reach goal, but I haven't decided what "goal" is. I'll know it when I get there.


Shannonsnail
04-01-2014, 11:11 AM
Happy April Fool's Day! We told my daughter there was snow on the ground and that her hair had turned green, lol!

Yes, I hope to keep having good news!!

I thought I would share the breakfast that has been helping me start off my day.....boil in the bag omelettes! I have been making these daily for about a week. I like variety at dinner but do better with routine the rest of the day.

Ok, so this does take extra time in waiting but I use that time to clean up my kitchen or empty the dishwasher or whatever (I stay at home with my daughter). Boil a large pot of water (fill about halfway). Lightly beat 2-3 eggs, mix in a small amount of whatever you want in it (shredded cheese, cooked sausage or bacon, diced ham, veggies), I like to add a dallop of sour cream or milk, add your preferred seaonings (I like salt, pepper and garlic powder). Mix well and add mixture to a quart size freezer bag. Seal and put into boiling water (if multiple bags, use sharpie to put initials/names on baggies). Boil 13 min. Remove baggie, open and omelette will slide out onto plate. Enjoy!

pattygirl63
04-01-2014, 12:21 PM
I got this from Prevention.com and thought I would share it. I thought it was good to know this because people still think low carb is bad for you.

Study Shows: Atkins Diet Lowers Risk Of Heart Disease

The Atkins and other low-carb diets have been the subject of various studies and considerable ongoing research. Johns Hopkins researchers have found that overweight and obese people who go on the Atkins Diet reduced inflammation throughout their body.

This inflammation is a trigger for heart disease so its reduction also diminishes the risk for the disease. Study results have been presented to the American Heart Association.

The Atkins diet has actually been around for some time. The nutritionist Robert Atkins who launched this weight loss plan actually began adhering to the diet himself as far back as 1965. His diet was published in Vogue in 1970 and began to grow in popularity from there.

What followed were best-selling books and, today, even grocery store items. Of course, controversy has also accompanied the diet.

Many have claimed that it is not a healthy diet in spite of its ability to achieve significant weight loss. Since the controversy, however, many studies have been conducted in order to determine if there are truly benefits associated with the Atkins Diet.

While the Johns Hopkins study made headlines, there have been others. An earlier study published by theNew England Journal of Medicine found that following the Atkins diet during a two-year period led to a greater reduction in triglycerides and bad cholesterol levels than other diets such as the Mediterranean diet.

Participants also experienced lower blood pressure and, of course, lost weight. In fact, the Atkins is regarded as one of the better plans for losing abdominal weight.

Losing waist circumference is a major facet of the Atkins plan. Waist that is larger than 35 inches around can easily be associated with a greater risk for heart disease. A diet like Atkins which is known for reducing waist size can reduce these risks.

Obesity itself is a factor linked to heart disease as well as other conditions like diabetes and stroke. The Atkins Diet is regarded as a viable way to effectively manage weight and enhance oneís health.

While many people have heard of this popular diet, not everyone may be familiar with its basic tenets. The Atkins Diet calls for a reduction of carbohydrates. In fact, many of todayís popular low-carb diets have been influenced by the success of the Atkins Diet. Though dieters will significantly limit their carbohydrates, they will increase their protein intake.

This protein-rich plan is particularly strict during the initial phase of the diet. Early on, carb intake is essentially associated with a salad and some low-starch vegetables. The diet calls for a stop on processed foods containing carbs and refined sugars.

Anyone contemplating beginning the Atkins diet should understand that there are four phases associated with this weight loss plan. The first introductory phase, according to most participants, is regarded as the most difficult as the reduction of carbs tend to be a major departure from the way most people eat. The second phase involves ongoing weight loss, while the third phase is known as pre-maintenance, and the last phase is simply maintenance.

Is the Atkins Diet right for everyone? If one goes by the studies, anyone who is obese, overweight, and has a large waistline can benefit by the weight loss associated with strict adherence to the Atkins Diet. By reducing weight, dieters also reduce their risk factors for heart disease and other serious health conditions like diabetes. Losing abdominal weight can be difficult for many dieters, too, but the Atkins plan is known for its ability to shrink waistlines.

Dieters contemplating changing their lifestyle and diet should discuss their plans with their healthcare provider. Once you are sure about beginning this diet, itís a good idea to find out more about it in detail. Books about the Atkins Diet are available and there is also a website to find out more information about eating.

Get to understand what foods are off limits and what foods are alright to eat in great quantity. Dieters may have to revamp their pantries and learn new ways of cooking healthy using Atkins-friendly ingredients. Those serious about following the plan have weight loss to look forward to and, if these studies are correct, some health benefits too!

pattygirl63
04-01-2014, 01:23 PM
Rennie Thanks for starting our April Chat. I used to exercise when I first got up, but since my recumbent bike is in the bedroom and DH is a day sleeper, I can't do it early like that any more. I can't move it into the living room because he has his regular stationary bike in here so not room for both. I actually starting riding mine after lunch because I read in the Reverse Diabetes book (not Prevention) that it was better for diabetics to exercise after we eat. Of course, he didn't say how long we should wait. DH thinks I should exercise before I eat. I read somewhere else that you should wait 2 hrs after, so I may try Carol Sue's waiting an hour and exercise and see how I do with that. However, I don't plan to do any exercise today other than regular moving around.

Shannon You are doing so good and just think of what a good example you are to your precious little one. I'm 70 yrs old and I often feel that I owe it to my grown children a good example of eating right. As I learn new healthy eating ways, I share it with them hoping they can see that the fact I never gave up will be encouraging to them. You can be so proud of yourself. :)

Carol Sue I rejoined Prevention.com website. So glad you reminded me of that when you shared from it. They are so good and helpful. I read on there today about indigestion and some of the foods it say eat seem to be my problem right now, but I know they are things I will add back into my diet as I progress.

I was so ill during the night. I was feeling pretty good and as soon as I laid down, it hit me. I had to come and sit almost upright in my recliner to let my tummy get settled. The problem with that is that my DH comes alive about midnight and here I'm not feeling well and he want to talk to me. I was reading on-line and in some of his medical books to see what to do. He has an emergency diagnosis book and he was questioning me "do you feel this" "No. "What about this"? I really don't think it is gerd as I don't have all the symptoms. I ate 6 small meals yesterday, but I just made myself eat them to reach the calories etc. I honestly felt like I had overloaded my stomach.

Today I read on Prevention.com that protein makes you feel full longer because it takes it longer to digest... even up to 24 hrs. So I am even more convinced that is what I did. I overloaded. So I am going to continue the Atkins Induction, but I am going to eat ONLY WHEN I AM HUNGRY and eat only as much as I need to be satisfied. I am not going to worry too much about calories, because I know that I would not go over 1600 calories in a day if I do that. I will keep a count of the carbs to keep them down around 20 g for a while and then after a week or two I will start adding carbs 5 g a week to see how many I can eat and still lose weight. I am not going to even worry about the fiber as I think that by choosing the right carbs that will also take care of itself. I think left to the combination of Atkins and Intuitive Eating that the weight and the digestive problems will take care of themselves.

So far today, I had the 1/2 avocado and 1 egg cooked in my Stove Wave in the microwave. Thanks Carol Sue for sharing that with me. My plan is to have that steak for lunch that I didn't eat yesterday and then take the rest of the day as it comes and decide what I'll eat when I get hungry. If I eat 6 small meals, but it may just be 3 or 4 small ones. No real rules at this time except the Intuitive Rules of when I'm hungry, eat what I really want and eat only as much as it takes to satisfy my hunger and no more. I might check out Fitday. I notice a lot of 3fchickies use it.

I almost decided to go ahead and just eat fiber and not worry about Atkins, but then 2 things happened. My weight was up again 1 lb so I had gained a lb on high fiber and I gained a lb switching to Atkins. That didn't bother since I do that when switching diets. But I was thrilled to see my FBS at 121 today the lowest it has been in 6 or 7 yrs. It got that low only one time before when I was doing Atkins. Then I read the article I posted on here from Prevention about Atkins. That sold me. It shows me what works and that it is safe and that I had just overloaded my stomach yesterday trying to reach a minimum of 1200 calories when I wasn't hungry. Personally I stay up and get up too late to eat so many small meals. So I now know how I have to eat to control the fbs so I'm going with it.

Sorry this so long. I'm still not up to par so may have repeated myself. If so, I do apologize. I believe we are all going to find our way and make it to our goals. Like Carol Sue, I'm not sure what my final goal will be. I have people even DH say I would look good at 150 so I made that my goal, but will decide when I get there what I want to do from there.

Have nice day Chickies.

love2b150
04-01-2014, 03:08 PM
Carol Sue I am so not looking forward to that. I listen to the boys that wear men size clothes tell me about what they WANT on a regular basis. It's interesting to hear them say when I get a job I'm gonna buy this this and this. Well little do they know and their older sister can tell them money flows through your pockets/fingers quickly if you are not careful and you will have nothing to get you through the week before you blink. Good for you on your fbs being in the 140's :high: and eating no pasta, potatoes, bread or sweets will definitely help you cut weight. That's how I lost the 10lbs in January but February and March weren't that easy. I think my body adjusted ;) I haven't decided what "goal" is. I'll know it when I get there. <--- this is me, I have numbers set in place but I do suspect I will know truly when I get there :)

Shannon, I like the idea of boil in a bag. I tried the microwave omelet and it makes it taste and look fake. I may give that a shot, I don't buy freezer bags so I'll have to get those also :)

Trish great job on your fbs being in the 120's :high: We didn't make it to the gym today not sure why but ok. :) My husband was making pancakes for himself which is what he typically does before the gym since they are so heavy. They smelled so good so I decided I would look up protein pancakes. I used bits and pieces from 7 different recipes according to what I had in here and came up with this ...

Makes 3 -- 4.5 inch pancakes
Calories 99, carbs 8, protein 12, sodium 204, fiber 1 <- in each one, I didn't think that was too bad other than the sodium

1 tbsp WildRoots flaxseed meal
1/8 cup Betty Crocker rice flour blend
1 egg
1 scoop vanilla protein powder
ľ tsp cinnamon
1/8 tsp baking powder <-- probably didn't need since I had the rice flour
Ĺ cup of water

I only ate one with sohgave low glycemic syrup which is 60 calories

Shannonsnail
04-01-2014, 05:54 PM
Rennie, definitely get the freezer ones, they are thicker and can withstand the heat. Here is a pancake recipe I've had success with (low carb, not high protein, might not fit what you are looking for)
http://alldayidreamaboutfood.com/2012/04/light-and-fluffy-coconut-flour-pancakes-low-carb-and-gluten-free.html

love2b150
04-01-2014, 06:42 PM
Shannon sounds good and looks good also. There are 6 grams of protein in a serving of her pancakes. Thank you for sharing this site with me :) I like a few of the recipes on that site. How much does coconut flour and almond flour cost? I priced one of them made by Bob's Red Mill and it was almost $10 so I left it at the store.

I'm having a snacky evening, not good at all :(

pattygirl63
04-01-2014, 07:34 PM
Shannon Thanks for the boil in bag omelet recipe and the low carb recipe site. I've never seen coconut flour, but will have to check it out when I can add it back into my plan.

Rennie Thanks for your recipe too.

I am reading The New Atkins for a New You book again. Haven't gotten very far because I am mostly relaxing and taking it easy today giving my tummy time to heal. I was pleased to see in the new book that they recommend 4 or 5 small meals, but they also have a few rules that sound more like Intuitive Eating because they suggest eating only when you are hungry and eat as much as it takes to satisfy you. However, they do recommend that you not go more than 5 or 6 hrs without eating something. This is good for me because when I did IE there were days that I could eat as soon as I got up and maybe eat up to 5 meals, however, there were a lot of times that I just didn't get hungry. It will be nice to be on a plan that allows me to go longer without food. I really believe when my tummy is better that I'm going to really enjoy doing this.

Wannabehealthy
04-01-2014, 07:39 PM
I saved both of these pancake recipes but I don't know if I'll ever actually make them. I don't usually buy unusual ingredients such as Flaxseed meal or Rice Flour. Also, I have erased the thought of carby foods from my mind for the moment and don't want to temp fate by trying even low carb versions. I'm afraid it will just make me crave the real thing. You know what they say, "If it's not broke, don't fix it." I am absolutely amazed that I have done this for this long. It is so not me, but long overdue.

I feel absolutely wonderful today. I have been very sniffly with seasonal allergies so I took a Benadryl at bedtime and I slept like a dead man. I had so much energy today! I think it's a combination of my glucose dropping and the low carb diet. I exercised for 35 min at a higher intensity than usual, and I did intervals. I sure hope this continues. I feel like I'm 40!

I exercise while I'm watching my soaps, so that's after lunch, which is usually light. Today I had kale and spinach with sauteed mushrooms, onions and garlic. Topped with some feta cheese and black beans. Yummy Yummy! Before dinner my bs was 132, but I just checked it and it's at 99. So the exercise has helped bring it down.

Rennie, although I would like to be slim and svelt, my weight loss goals have more to do with health than looks. That ship has sailed! LOL If I could comfortably fit into my clothes that are too tight I will be more than happy. My goal is to be at whatever weight allows me to have good BP and BG without meds. I wouldn't care if I had to continue to use Metformin because I have no side effects from it, and it is known to have health benefits.

Trish - I sure hope your tummy settles down soon. Is it pain, or just an upset stomach? I agree that you should not try to reach 1200 calories if it makes you feel stuffed. Many people on low carb are eating lower calories than normal because the protein makes you feel full longer. And right now I wouldn't worry about fiber until you are feeling better. I think low carb is going to work well for you when you finally get your stomach issues taken care of. Worry about that first.

When I first started this my calories were around 1000 but recently they have gone up into the 1200 range. I don't know if that's why I haven't lost any more or not, but I will be patient. If I don't lose more by the end of the week I will look into cutting back. I am only eating eggs, fish, meat, and veggies for the most part, but maybe I'm eating too many protein calories. That's the only place it could be because there's not many calories in veggies.

My husband makes himself 2 pieces of french toast for breakfast. It sure looks good! Then he scrambles the leftover eggs for me. If I make my own breakfast I use egg substitute.

I think that's funny that you and DH use different bikes. My husband uses my treadmill and weights but won't use the elliptical. My 5 year old grandson loves the elliptical. He looks so cute using it. Last time he fell off, but I'll bet he gets right back on it again.


Shannon, I think I'm too cheap to buy freezer bags. LOL Social Security doesn't allow much money for fancy extras.

love2b150
04-01-2014, 08:07 PM
Trish I am good for eating one meal a day maybe two. When I did the Jorge Cruise diet that's when I started eating more on a regular basis, not I think I do more IE and have been for some time. I just didn't know what it was called :)

Carol Sue, I'm not wanting to be slim or svelte either :). Just comfortable in my own skin and healthy (I still have school aged children to raise) and getting off of diabetic meds is definitely a plus. I started buying flaxseed meal a few years back. I was buying Bob's Red Mill but it's grainy so the WildRoots brand is much more like flour and I can deal with the texture better. I was looking into gluten free that's how I ended up with the rice flour blend. It's been in the pantry for a good while now. I buy things and then forget about them, bad habit I have :)

pattygirl63
04-01-2014, 09:27 PM
Rennie When I was growing up I only ate breakfast on special occasions or when traveling. I only ate lunch and dinner. Once in a while when dating, I would have a cold drink. I hated going out to eat on a date because I wasn't hungry and would actually get sick to my stomach sometimes when I went out to eat on a date. I never had a weight problem until I was made to believe that I HAD TO eat 3 meals a day. I always say I had to learn to gain weight by eating the way people told me WAS HEALTHIER for me. Then I had to hear them fuss because I gained weight and they were always looking for a diet for me to eat less so I could lose weight. DH #2's grandmother was always sending me ads about a NEW diet she saw. Before I married DH #2, I lived alone and was losing weight like crazy because I only ate 1 meal a day and then once in a great while I would have a small snack which usually meant a bite of something... not really even big enough to actually qualify as a snack.

Shannonsnail
04-01-2014, 10:24 PM
I saved both of these pancake recipes but I don't know if I'll ever actually make them. I don't usually buy unusual ingredients such as Flaxseed meal or Rice Flour. Also, I have erased the thought of carby foods from my mind for the moment and don't want to temp fate by trying even low carb versions. I'm afraid it will just make me crave the real thing. You know what they say, "If it's not broke, don't fix it." I am absolutely amazed that I have done this for this long. It is so not me, but long overdue.

I feel absolutely wonderful today. I have been very sniffly with seasonal allergies so I took a Benadryl at bedtime and I slept like a dead man. I had so much energy today! I think it's a combination of my glucose dropping and the low carb diet. I exercised for 35 min at a higher intensity than usual, and I did intervals. I sure hope this continues. I feel like I'm 40!

I exercise while I'm watching my soaps, so that's after lunch, which is usually light. Today I had kale and spinach with sauteed mushrooms, onions and garlic. Topped with some feta cheese and black beans. Yummy Yummy! Before dinner my bs was 132, but I just checked it and it's at 99. So the exercise has helped bring it down.

Rennie, although I would like to be slim and svelt, my weight loss goals have more to do with health than looks. That ship has sailed! LOL If I could comfortably fit into my clothes that are too tight I will be more than happy. My goal is to be at whatever weight allows me to have good BP and BG without meds. I wouldn't care if I had to continue to use Metformin because I have no side effects from it, and it is known to have health benefits.

Trish - I sure hope your tummy settles down soon. Is it pain, or just an upset stomach? I agree that you should not try to reach 1200 calories if it makes you feel stuffed. Many people on low carb are eating lower calories than normal because the protein makes you feel full longer. And right now I wouldn't worry about fiber until you are feeling better. I think low carb is going to work well for you when you finally get your stomach issues taken care of. Worry about that first.

When I first started this my calories were around 1000 but recently they have gone up into the 1200 range. I don't know if that's why I haven't lost any more or not, but I will be patient. If I don't lose more by the end of the week I will look into cutting back. I am only eating eggs, fish, meat, and veggies for the most part, but maybe I'm eating too many protein calories. That's the only place it could be because there's not many calories in veggies.

My husband makes himself 2 pieces of french toast for breakfast. It sure looks good! Then he scrambles the leftover eggs for me. If I make my own breakfast I use egg substitute.

I think that's funny that you and DH use different bikes. My husband uses my treadmill and weights but won't use the elliptical. My 5 year old grandson loves the elliptical. He looks so cute using it. Last time he fell off, but I'll bet he gets right back on it again.


Shannon, I think I'm too cheap to buy freezer bags. LOL Social Security doesn't allow much money for fancy extras.

Carol Sue, lol, I hear ya! I buy the cheap ones at Aldi but honestly, I use alot of that type product because I buy meat in bulk to freeze and do alot of cooking ahead to freeze. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have them!

Shannonsnail
04-01-2014, 10:34 PM
Shannon sounds good and looks good also. There are 6 grams of protein in a serving of her pancakes. Thank you for sharing this site with me :) I like a few of the recipes on that site. How much does coconut flour and almond flour cost? I priced one of them made by Bob's Red Mill and it was almost $10 so I left it at the store.

I'm having a snacky evening, not good at all :(
Rennie, I'm not gonna lie, the products recommended on that blog are pricey but I really trust the author's opinion on brands. When I had that dr appt in Dec I felt hopeless and was doing alot of online research when I stumbled across All Day I Dream About Food. I love to bake and the thought of not baking or only baking with aspartame or splenda really disheartened me. I cannot tolerate aspartame. It gives me migraines, even the amount in a breath mint. And splenda I can only tolerate in small amounts, like in tea or coffee. So, when I found her blog and saw that her recipes were more focused on other substitutes I got hooked. The more I read the more I felt comfortable with her recommendations. I've also emailed with her several times. Anyway, I did a massive purchase to stock my pantry. It was expensive but now I always have what I need when a recipe pops up that appeals to me. I bought my ingredients in bulk to lower my cost and ordered online bc we get free shipping with amazon so I think the BRM coconut flour was around $8 and some change per pound. Not cheap but maybe less than at a local shop.

Shannonsnail
04-01-2014, 10:54 PM
I've had two good days in a row and am happy about that. :D

Today I was at a playdate and another mom offered me a twizzler and I ate it before I even thought about what it was....oops! In the South we often do things to be pleasant (like accepting a gift of food) just out of habit so I'm not beating myself up. I'm one of those people who can completely give up on a diet (or other habit change) just because I had one bad day....I often expect perfection and if I don't achieve it, just give up to avoid disappointment. I'm trying to change that mentality and see these changes as long term vs "need to lose weight right now" and give myself more grace when I slip up so I don't fall into giving up.

I'm also really happy my cravings for junk food (chips, ice cream, candy) seem to have gone into hiding. Since I have binge eating disorder I can't imagine they will stay in hiding for too long but it's been nice.

Tomorrow I am heading out of town after lunch to take my daughter to visit my mom. This will be a real test of my self control. My mom and I disagree quite significantly on diet. We are polar opposites particularly in regards to meat/fat. That would be fine except my mom cannot have a conversation without bringing up the topic of food and how her way of eating is "right" and anyone else's is wrong. This happens no matter the subject of conversation but we will eat several times while I'm there so it's inevitable that this will occur. Usually when this happens it burns me up so bad I turn to food out of frustration. I'd like to not go off plan even if I turn to food so I will pack several snacks, lol. I love my mom but I dread spending time with her bc we always end up in some irritating discussion about diet. This has gone on my entire life. She did recently lose about 30 lbs (she was just barely on the high end to start with) so it has been worse lately.

love2b150
04-01-2014, 11:48 PM
Shannon you are good, I am not good at prepping food, plus there are so many of us there is definitely no need to separate anything. I shop at Aldi also :) Love that store :)

pattygirl63
04-02-2014, 10:54 AM
I just couldn't wait to share with y'all my results of just 2 days on Atkins Induction. I have a new low weight of 225.4 and a new low fbs of 113 mg. I am so very excited about how this is working. :carrot:

I know this is probably water weight, but I didn't do this good with fluid pills. And one of the reasons that I never stayed with Atkins in the past is that it ha never worked this good for me in the past. I will continue what I am doing the rest of the week and I just might do the second to see how good I can do in the two weeks. This has become an exciting challenge for me which is just the motivation that I needed. They say you can (not will) lose 15 lbs in the 2 week Induction. I don't really care whether I lose the 15 lb, I'm just curious as to how good this will work if I do it "by the book". :) And my tummy is almot back to normal.

Carol Sue You are doing good. I heard of someone who eats this way and allows themselves what they now call "cheat" days. We can really do this.

He chickies we all have found what works for us and we can and will do this.

Rennie, Shannon, Ruthie and Fatmad and lurkers :wave:

Shannonsnail
04-02-2014, 12:47 PM
Great job Trish!!

love2b150
04-02-2014, 02:27 PM
Trish that's great :yay: for you ... Keep up the good work :high:

Shannon :wave:

I had another up of .4 to 163.6 ... my fault for sure just water (sodium from eating bacon last night :D). Got to the gym though did 3.81 miles and burned 473 calories feeling good :)

pattygirl63
04-02-2014, 06:18 PM
Approximately 3 hrs after I ate, I checked bs and it was 110 mg. Atkins is definitely the way to eat for me. This is absolutely fantastic. Doc had told me that when I got the fbs #s right then we would work on the post meal readings. With Atkins way of eating, I won't have to worry about that as it will automatically be correcte.

I had 2 eggs this morning with 1/2 avocado and 3 grape tomatoes and 2 sl bacon.

Lunch was 1 cod fish fillet, a small salad with mayo and 1/2 c asparagus.

Not sure what I will have later as tonight is Bible study at 7 pm so may just have a couple slices of deli turkey breast and a sl of cheese. I tear the cheese in half and wrap a slice of turkey breast around each half.

Have to go by Walmart a few blocks up from the church before coming home so I may have 2 eggs scrambled in coconut oil when I get home. However, I am allowed some Atkins food on Induction and may pick something up. An Atkins shake sure sounds good for something quick without a lot of fuss.

Any way just wanted to share how good this is working for me.

Carol Sue How are you doing today?

Rennie .4 up isn't too bad. Water should help get rid of it really quick.

Shannon I am so proud of you for doing this at your age. You are so smart.

OK, I got to go get dressed. Catch y'all later.

Wannabehealthy
04-02-2014, 07:02 PM
Trish I am so glad your tummy is starting to feel better, and I'm excited about your loss and FBG! I think most diets will give you fluid loss first, but a loss is a loss in my book. You are doing great!

I heard the when you're trying to correct your blood sugar, FBG is the last to go down to normal. So if you are having good FBG then your post-prandial reading will automatically be good, too. Don't take that as gospel. It's just something I heard. Back when my A1c was in the 6 range my FBG was still not good. It was in the 120s. But overall, my average was good enough to give me a good A1c. My doc is pleased as long as I stay under 7.

I was up 1 lb this morning. The only thing I can say is that I didn't get weighed until after breakfast because I forgot. I did eat more than usual yesterday, but it was not carb. I roasted a chicken, and it was so good I did eat a lot.

I don't believe in cheat days because I don't consider anything a cheat. This is just my new way of eating. I follow low carb but that doesn't mean I will never eat a carb. They say you are doing good if you follow your eating plan 90 % of the time. I know I cannot go the rest of my life never eating a carb again, but it will be controlled eating, not a binge, and I will go right back to plan.

This morning my FBG was 139. Not perfect, but so much better than the 200's I was having. I am still testing out this new med. This morning, I did not take it. I wanted to see how my glucose would be without it. I ate chicken salad for breadfast, (leftover from that delicious roast chicken), a salad with some tuna fish in it for lunch. I tested 3 times thoughout the day and I did not go over 170, even after eating. I thought that was pretty good for not taking the pill. I did take it before dinner though because it's a bigger meal. DH wanted spaghetti. I think it was another of his attempts at sabotage. I made the spaghetti and I ate 6 meatballs with some sauce and some sugar snap peas. There was a lot of pasta left over so it went down the disposal. He didn't mention that I didn't eat it.

After 33 years of marriage I got DH to eat spinach today. LOL He will never eat it cooked because he said it looks like seaweed, but he has never eaten the raw leaf spinach either. Today when I was making my salad I was mixing the spinach leaves with iceberg lettuce. I asked him if he wanted a salad and he did, so I just gave him some of the greens from my bowl, spinach and all. He knew it was in there. He said it just tastes like lettuce. He had to live to 71 before eating it. LOL

I had another good workout today. 35 minutes. I warmed up and cooled down on the treadmill and did intervals on the elliptical. Doing this, I'm getting my heart rate up higher than I usually do. I get a little scared because I can feel my heart beating harder, but the cardiologist wants me to exercise and he never told me to take it easy. I think if there were any problems I would get shortness of breath, and I'm not getting any. I feel great. I had so much energy I came up and cleaned the dining room and kitchen. Everything is gleaming!

Shannon - It's very possible that your cravings will stay gone, even though you have a tendancy to binge. I am, or should I saw, was the same way. In the past when I made pasta I would always cook too much and I would keep eating til it was gone. It was the same with bread. We like to buy Italian or French bread and I would start eating it with tons of butter, and not stop til it was gone. I have not had bread since I got my high A1c results, about 2 weeks ago. I am not craving it at all, but the best thing I can do is stay away from it. I know the day is going to come when a sandwich will be sitting in front of me. I just pray that by that time I will be able to eat it and stop. If you do eat some of your trigger foods, stop after a couple bites. Don't let it turn into a binge. You will be so pleased with yourself!

Rennie - Do you get your calories burned from the read-out on the treadmill? Mine has that but I don't pay attention to it.

pattygirl63
04-02-2014, 10:56 PM
Carol Sue Great job ditching the left over pasta down the disposal. I don't like throwing food out but I have done that myself to keep myself from caving. I also like your idea of not having cheat days and the 90% on plan.

I still like Dana Carpendar's idea of once in a while you can have a planned carby meal. I mainly want to use Atkins to get my cravings under control and to get into the habit of eat 90% low carb meals and snacks. I just have to get it working for me 100% of the time however I have to even if it is 90% low carb with leeway to eat something I really want.

Tonight at church there is a lady who makes sweets for us to snack on. I have made it a habit to not eat anything. Only because I'm afraid of getting in the habit. I would love to get to the place that I am eating low carb so well, that if I want to taste something I can do it without it derailing me. However, I know that I have a long way to go to get that place.

I went over on my carbs today to 26 g instead of 20 g, but from what I read on Atkins.com, I think that is okay if you average out to 20g a day during a one week period. I added a little more veggies today and ate too many tomatoes. I forgot they have more carbs, but I had already eat them. I did eat an Atkins snack bar when I got home. I am curious to see how it affects the fbs. And I will check my bs before I go to bed to see if it raised it. I had 1207 calories, 26 g carbs and 15 g fiber. Sodium is a little high, but hopefully the water will wash it out. Water and tea have become my drink these days. Seem to have lost my desire for coffee. :?: IDK why.

Catch y'all tomorrow

JLUS
04-02-2014, 11:27 PM
For those of you interested in LC/moderate protein PANCAKES without buying lots of special ingredients...

Look for Maple Grove Farms Sugar Free Pancake mix (near Bob's and GF products in my market) be sure to get SF (inexpensive at $3.99 a box.) I just use the 1/4 cup mix and water (I omit oil and egg without a problem). 80 cals, 5 net carbs/11 g protein. Sometimes I add flaxseed for a little extra.

I use Walden Farms syrups (maple or blueberry) which are 0 fat/0 carb/0 sugar products. Makes a GREAT easy low carb, low cal, low fat, moderate protein breakfast item!

love2b150
04-03-2014, 07:58 AM
Trish, the first 12-14lbs is supposed to be water but like Carol Sue said a loss is a loss and it does show and make a difference, if for nothing else moral :) It make the heart and mind happy and gives the incentive push to keep on pushing on. You are doing great and keep posting the meals. I copied yesterdays since I need to go grocery shopping :) How do you prepare your asparagus? Trish it's sad, I drink enough water some days to float away others I just get my 4 bottles in which is 67.6 ozs and I still have issues. My wedding ring will slide off my finger if I'm not careful and the scale/water weight still don't cooperate :)

Carol Sue, I like the sound of this --> I heard the when you're trying to correct your blood sugar, FBG is the last to go down to normal. So if you are having good FBG then your post-prandial reading will automatically be good, too. I just have to keep my FBS in check ;) Carol Sue, :high: on not eating the pasta :yay: YOU :) LOL on the spinach and your husband. My husband just ate pumpkin pie this year for the first time. I have made it forever. He said he didn't like it but had never ever tried it. He will now get upset if the kids eat most of it and he has only had one slice so I make two or three so my daughter can take one home :) My son won't eat cooked spinach but he will put a ton of it raw into his smoothies :) Great job on the treadmill :) My heart rate got up to 156 yesterday on the treadmill. I didn't feel bad so I keep going. The higher the incline the higher the heart rate for me. Good for you on the bread. I'm a bread and butter person also. No I get my calories burned from Nike+. There is a censor in my shoe that connects wirelessly to my phone so when I start the treadmill I activate the censor. It took me a while to calibrate it but it's done now so my pace/distance are monitored.

Thanks Laurie, I've bought the pancake mix before but was afraid to try the syrup. Is it good? I didn't like the WF salad dressings or the bbq sauce because it had a vinegary taste to me. So just wondering about the syrup. I do like the agave maple syrup though, but it's hard to find.

pattygirl63
04-03-2014, 10:54 AM
Rennie, I'm not gonna lie, the products recommended on that blog are pricey but I really trust the author's opinion on brands. When I had that dr appt in Dec I felt hopeless and was doing alot of online research when I stumbled across All Day I Dream About Food. I love to bake and the thought of not baking or only baking with aspartame or splenda really disheartened me. I cannot tolerate aspartame. It gives me migraines, even the amount in a breath mint. And splenda I can only tolerate in small amounts, like in tea or coffee. So, when I found her blog and saw that her recipes were more focused on other substitutes I got hooked. The more I read the more I felt comfortable with her recommendations. I've also emailed with her several times. Anyway, I did a massive purchase to stock my pantry. It was expensive but now I always have what I need when a recipe pops up that appeals to me. I bought my ingredients in bulk to lower my cost and ordered online bc we get free shipping with amazon so I think the BRM coconut flour was around $8 and some change per pound. Not cheap but maybe less than at a local shop.

Thanks Shannon for sharing. I buy from Amazon too so it is nice to know I could get coconut flour from there economically. My DH loves sweets and I could bake with that. I use Stevia for my sweetener but many times I see recipes that need something with it. I also buy some things from Aldi's. We are on Social Security and of course that limits us as to what we can purchase. He and I are both working at getting our FBS under control. So this would be helpful for us.

Wannabehealthy
04-03-2014, 10:59 AM
Rennie - Talk about high tech! LOL (the Nike+) I didn't even know that was available. My phone is a Tracfone. No smart phone!

When I was younger, I used to get my heart rate into the 140's. I'm almost embarassed to say what it is now, but then I'm a 68 year old heart patient. My resting heart rate is low, around 55, because of my heart meds. I used to exercise with my heart rate in the 80's, but now with the intervals it goes into the 90's. Probably not a lot of calorie burn, but good health benefits, just the same. I still have 2 leaky heart valves but the doc said unless I get shortness of breath, they are ok.

I have heard the FBG rule several times, and I think it applies to type2 only. I have been checking my BG 5 times a day for the past 4 days. I have a chart that shows how avg bg compares to A1c. My avg for 4 days is 156. 154 equals an A1c of 7. My average for yesterday was 142, so my avg bg IS going down, slowly. When I had my bloodwork, A1c was 9.7, so I'd say I've made a big improvement and I'm happy with that. I still didn't lose the 1 lb I gained, but I am going to cut back a little on my eating. I think I have been eating more to make sure I don't get a low. I was afraid this new med was going to make me do that, even unconciously.

This morning my FBG was 185, up considerably from yesterdays 139. But at bedtime I ate a few of my high fiber crackers to try to get in some fiber and I think that was a mistake. Maybe I should eat them earlier in the day with some other food. The fiber helped in other ways, but I don't think bedtime is the time to eat it. I think the idea of a bedtime snack may be beneficial for others, but not for me. It has never seemed to help anything.

Trish, I agree that you should get your low carb diet firmly in place before you start adding a carby meal here and there. As you continue to eat low carb, you might get to the point that those sweets at church really don't interest you. I remember as a kid I loved sweets. It was as an adult that they started to taste sickeningly sweet to me. Sometimes I get the chills just looking at donuts my husband buys. I can handle a bite now and then, especially if I'm baking cookies and want to see how they turned out. But I would never binge on sweets. I have never lost my taste for chocolate though, but I still can't eat a lot of it. I quit keeping it in the house. Occasionally I will buy a single bar at the checkout, but mostly I avoid it.

I would like to cut my carbs back little more, but I eat so many veggies. According to Fitday, other things have small amounts of carbs, too, things you wouldn't expect. I average around 30-35 gm per day. I will have to look over the past couple days and see where I can cut about 5 of them.

JLUS I might look into the Maple Grove Pancake mix once I feel I can eat a little more carb without any damage. It will be easier for me than buying a lot of different ingredients to make them from scratch. I wonder if you could make waffles from it, too? If so, I could add a little vanilla whey protein to it for more protein. See how easily my mind can be swayed in the direction of carbs? LOL

Ruthie? How ya doing?

Mad? Where are you hiding?

Shannon? Still doing good?

Lurkers? Join in! The more the merrier!

love2b150
04-03-2014, 11:32 AM
Shannon I just re-read your post from the first or just read it I guess :dizzy: I must have missed it some how. First off glad you didn't let the twizzler through you off. I thing didn't lead to another, great NSV :high: Good for you on the junk food cravings :) On the subject of Mom's. My Mom gave me major praise the last time she was here. Even went a little overboard in my opinion but that what she does about everything. She is super thin and I mean super thin and always has been. She has talked about my weight for years, even laughed at me when she saw me getting dressed once. I was supposed to go up to VA a week ago but changed my mind. She told me I had planned for us to go to Red Lobster for dinner and then to Ihop for breakfast ... I told her you are trying to make me gain every pound I loss back in two days, she just laughed. I don't talk about food or diet with her or health for that matter. She doesn't have a positive attitude about those subjects in my opinion. Hope your visit went well and sorry I missed your post earlier. :hug:

Carol Sue, I've had the shoes for 3 years actually bought them because they were the last pair on sale. Last year I was reading something and was saying I needed to get that device since it goes in your sneaker, no thoughts. My son picked up the shoe and said Mom you already have the shoes, so I went to the Apple store and bought the thing to put in the hole that's under the insole of the shoe. Funny huh :) Nike has every type of fitness thing you can think of and it all cost more than I am willing to pay. I even looked on ebay for a new pair of sneakers and I think the least expensive was $90. I'm not paying $90 for a sneaker. So the ones I have are fine :) What kind of high fiber crackers do you have? And good job on your A1c coming down, that's great :) I think a protein or a piece of dark chocolate is good for a quick bedtime snack, only my opinion though. I have had a cheese stick or laughing cow or a dove chocolate in the evening when I just want something :)

Laurie, I actually have a box of the pancake mix in the pantry, didn't realize it until I started preparing the grocery list :) and Carol Sue it says Pancake & Waffle mix so yes you can make your waffles :)

pattygirl63
04-03-2014, 11:36 AM
Good Morning Ladies,

My weight and my fbs stayed the same today. So the Atkins bar I ate last night didn't hurt either one. In fact, I checked my bs last night before I went to bed and it was 109 3 hrs after eating it. The bars will be put in my purse for emergencies only. Funny thing is that I could have eaten just a few bites of it and been perfectly satisfied. I did got 1 pkg of 4 Atkins shakes to drink on Sunday morning before I go to church since we always come home an eat breakfast after. I made DH and my fish meal yesterday and just made the statement in passing that "this is a low carb/Atkins meal". While at the store last night, I asked him what he wanted to eat differently today. He wanted shrimp scampi. I make mine with just butter, garlic, onion and parsley flakes. I was excited that he picked something we both could have low carb. Oh BTW his fbs is down to 122 the lat 2 times he checked it. He isn't good at doing everyday checks. I think he sees that I'm really working at it and the results we are getting. His first wife died from loads of complications because of diabetes. He always felt she didin't work hard enough to lose weight and get it under control. One of my promises I made to him before we married was I would work at getting it under control. However, we have learned a lot since she died and one thing we've learned is that the diet they gave her back then causes you to gain weight and doesn't lower bs. Also she had some sort of pancreas disease and we've decided that she may not have been able to do any better than she did. She was the only one of the 3 kids in her family to have the weight problems she had all of her life.

It does help to have Tony doing this with me. He didn't ever understand the way I eat on Atkins/low carbing, but now he says major results with the bs and as my doc always says 'the numbers don't lie".

Rennie Because my plans change on my food plan during the day because I do this Intuitively, I like to have an idea of what I'm going to eat, but I try to satisfy my hunger and not have to stick to a plan. So let me give you an idea of how I plan my meals.

Breakfast - I always have eggs with either bacon or sausage and a slice of cheese &/or some avocado. When my stomach gets back to normal, I will probably use canned tomato and avocado to make sort of a guacamole to make the avocado go farther and just put that on top of my cooked eggs.

Lunches - is protein (meat, fist etc), a small salad (about 1.5 to 2 c). I either use mayo with 0 sugar/carbs and a low carb veggie like broccoli, greens of some kind or cabbage or cauliflower. I don't usually eat cauliflower because DH eats a whole package once a day. But doing Atkins, I decided I could make a mock potato salad with it mashed and put in fridge to eat off of during the day and be OP.

Dinner - is light because being retired and home all day, our main meal as at lunch. So I have some sort of protein with a low carb veggie.

Later at night for snacks I usually eat a lowcarb deli sandwich meat or sausage (I found a Turkey bites in the jerky part of the store and tried them last night. They were good but pricey.) I will look for them at Aldi's next time I go as they would be good for a go bag or to eat on trips when traveling. Sometimes I scramble a couple of eggs for a snack. Just anything that is easy and quick. Sometimes I add what I call a finger salad like radishes, cherry/grape tomatoes, celery or whatever with it.

I hope this helps.

Carol Sue So glad you are doing good with the meds and experimenting to see how it works for you.

I do know that some of this is water, but since I've been losing for 3 months, I don't expect a lot of water loss. I am just thankful that it is going down. I grabbed a couple slices of the turkey meat and a sl of swiss cheese last night before we went to church and I think I can't eat swiss cheese. I felt so bad at church and I was so miserable. I went because a friend was supposed to go who hadn't been to our church but once before and I didn't want her to feel lost. She didn't show up because we don't have a nursery for small groups and she had her grandson. I think I would have stayed home if I had known ahead of time. Once the class was over and I got up and walked around and could belch good, I was fine. So we went to Walmart real quick to get the few things we needed and came home.

My craving for sweets, junk has left me. One of the things that I love about low carbing and my ankles were not swollen this morning. Like you Shannon I'm going to enjoy no cravings as long as I can and I hope we can do without them for quite a while. :)

Well, I haven't eat breakfast yet and I'm getting hungry so I will go for now and catch you ladies later.

Have blessed day.

love2b150
04-03-2014, 11:48 AM
Trish what brand of mayonnaise do you buy? That mock potato salad is delicious. I put green pepper, onion, celery, and relish in it. I guess I could boil some eggs and put the egg white in it also. I love egg salad with just the yolks :) Thanks it does. I wrote it down :) Which Atkins bars did you buy? I the peanut butter granola bar, not grainy to me so I can eat it. And the triple chocolate bar pretty good. I signed up for the Atkins something and they sent those to me free to try along with another one but I don't remember the name.

pattygirl63
04-03-2014, 02:54 PM
Trish what brand of mayonnaise do you buy? That mock potato salad is delicious. I put green pepper, onion, celery, and relish in it. I guess I could boil some eggs and put the egg white in it also. I love egg salad with just the yolks :) Thanks it does. I wrote it down :) Which Atkins bars did you buy? I the peanut butter granola bar, not grainy to me so I can eat it. And the triple chocolate bar pretty good. I signed up for the Atkins something and they sent those to me free to try along with another one but I don't remember the name.

I buy any brand that is 0 carb/sugar. My favorite is Hellman's but pricey so I don't get it unless on sale. Right now I think the one I have is Food Lion's Essential store brand. Just check not to have sugar or have the sugar in 5th or lower ingredient. I got the Atkins Coconut Almond bar. What did you order from Atkins. I'd love to have the new book Atkins made easy. Did you order that?

This is day four for me and I can feel my body making changes right I am feeling so tired, but the book I have promises that by the end of this week or next that I will have loads of energy. I surely do hope so. I checked my bs 2 hrs after breakfast and it was 119. This is wonderful. I'm wanting to ride the bike but read you shouldn't exercise during the 2 week Induction. I'm thinking as tired as I feel that maybe I shouldn't until my body settles into the new way of burning fat. One of those times I think following the book is probably wise.

Thanks for telling me about your mock potato salad with cauliflower. Do you use mustard in yours? That's the way my Mama made regular potato salad. I thought I would try the mock with a mixture of mayo/mustard. Mustard is soooo good for you.

Wannabehealthy
04-03-2014, 04:20 PM
I went for a haircut this morning and she didn't cut it short enough. I go through that with her all the time. I even went to someone else once and they didn't cut it short enough either. This time I even took a picture with me. I don't know how to get it across to her that I want it short. I think she wants me to come back sooner so she leaves it longer. Grrrrrr

One time some Atkins bars came in the mail addressed to DH. I have no idea why. I know HE never ordered anything Atkins. LOL I didn't like them.

I didn't realize that mayo had 0 carbs. I looked at my jar of Hellmans and sure enough! I only use it occasionally. It usually goes bad before we finish it. DH has been eating tuna salad for lunch lately and I've been putting some of it in my tossed salad, but he puts too much mayo in it for me. I make potato salad only about 3 times a year, but for my family, it has to be real potato salad. I tried Aldi's mayo once but we didn't like it.

I didn't take my pill again this morning. I told you my FBS was 190. I skip breakfast sometimes if I'm not hungry, like this morning, and when I do eat it, it's usually very small. I don't want to eat a bigger breakfast just to accomodate the meds. After my haircut I came home and made my salad and my BG was down to 131. I put a hard boiled egg in it and some of the tuna salad so I had some protein with it. I will take the pill before dinner though, because that meal is normally enough to handle the pill without giving me a low. Last night 3 hrs after dinner I was at 119, Then I blew it with the crackers.

Rennie, I buy Wheat Thins Fiber Select. They are not actually HIGH fiber, but higher than some others. I also have some of those Wasa Light Rye Crisp. The best I can describe them is they are like a styrofoam plate. LOL But for some reason I like them. I spread a very thin film of peanut butter on them. Crackers, including saltines, have always been a downfall for me, similar to bread, and I try to fool myself into thinking I'm eating healthy ones. I saw a recipe that called for those Wasa Rye Crisp but now I forget what the recipe was.

Trish, I love to eat deli turkey rolled up with a slice of cheese, but we rarely buy deli meat. My husband took sandwiches for his lunch for 40 years so now he's not much of a sandwich eater. That's another thing I could eat endlessly. I have a lot of trigger foods. I have been sticking to foods that I will eat til satisfied and then stop. I eat mostly eggs, veggies, meat and fish. Tonight we will be going out to eat and I will be ordering talapia. It is baked with crushed pecans. It comes with a glaze but I order it without the glaze. I will have a tossed salad and broccoli. I will test before bedtime and won't eat a snack unless it's really low. I want to see if that helps my FBS. I believe I get the Dawn Phenomenon and a snack is supposed to help, but I still get a higher FBS. I've tried cheese, yogurt, fruit, just a protein, protein and carb...didn't change anything, just adds more calories. They say if you go too long without eating (like from dinner to breakfast) that your body thinks your starving and dumps glucose. My body seems to dump glucose even with a snack. Even with a good A1c I never had a good FBG. If I can get back to a good A1c I won't worry if my FBG is a little high.

JLUS
04-03-2014, 09:58 PM
Thanks Laurie, I've bought the pancake mix before but was afraid to try the syrup. Is it good? I didn't like the WF salad dressings or the bbq sauce because it had a vinegary taste to me. So just wondering about the syrup. I do like the agave maple syrup though, but it's hard to find.

WF can be hit or miss for most people. I have found their Maple Syrup to taste pretty much like any other SF maple syrup, and while I have never really liked blueberry syrup before, for some reason, I really enjoy this one.

I use the syrups in my LC oatmeal and LC baking and use the maple in making LC sauces (BBQ, Asian, etc)

YES, the Maple Grove Farms SF mix is also for waffles... And I do also add vanilla whey powder to my pancakes and waffles on occasion as well as ground flaxseed.

CARB WISE ... for having a bread-like item, it is ONLY 5 carbs, so I feel it is well worth spending some of my limited carbs on one serving worth (1/4 cup mix and water us all I use... Though I add egg whites when making the waffles.)

FYI on the Agave... From what I understand, Agave is still a sugar and really is no better for us than any other sugar as the body reacts to it just the same as other sugars. For a diabetic, the result will be the same no matter which sugar you have, so be careful!

Shannonsnail
04-03-2014, 10:07 PM
There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home. 24 hours and a click of the heels = I am back home, thank God! I like seeing family but there is always alot of eating out at places because my mom really doesn't cook or keep food in the house since she only eats like one meal a day. I always overate when we would eat out before and felt bad but it was worse this time since I am now trying to lower my carbs and the choices are just not real conducive to low carb so I am feeling extra icky. There is also no internet at my mom's and I get the shakes without the internet....just kidding....sort of, lol! So, I'm home!!

The good news is there was no world war III this time. My mom made gobs of comments but she never directed them at me or about me specifically so I was able to hit the ignore button and not respond. Rennie she did suggest to my daughter tonight where we should eat even though I said last night it was the only place I really didn't want to go so of course that is where she started chanting we must go tonight. Oh well, next time I will be stronger or order something else (it's a pizza buffet) off the menu. It was the first super carby meal I've eaten in about a week and so odd, no matter how much I ate I felt hungry, like it wasn't making a dent, so I kept eating and now, hours later I still have horrible indigestion. Oh well, lesson learned.

Wannabehealthy
04-04-2014, 10:36 AM
Last night I was chopping vegetables with a brand new knife and slit the top of my thumb. Maybe I should have gone for stitches but I didn't. But it's extremely hard to type with this huge bandage on my thumb. I keep adding extra letters where they shouldn't be and leaving out letters that should. Hopefully by tomorrow I can go to a smaller bandage and type more!

I'm off to try to shower and wash my hair. Looking for a rubber glove to put over my hand.

Shannonsnail
04-04-2014, 10:44 AM
Last night I was chopping vegetables with a brand new knife and slit the top of my thumb. Maybe I should have gone for stitches but I didn't. But it's extremely hard to type with this huge bandage on my thumb. I keep adding extra letters where they shouldn't be and leaving out letters that should. Hopefully by tomorrow I can go to a smaller bandage and type more!

I'm off to try to shower and wash my hair. Looking for a rubber glove to put over my hand.
So sorry!! I had to get stitches when I cut my finger while cleaning a newly sharpened knife. I can still remember how the cut felt and it has been at least 5 years! I hope it heals quickly!

lotsakids
04-04-2014, 11:49 AM
Rennie, I'm not gonna lie, the products recommended on that blog are pricey but I really trust the author's opinion on brands. When I had that dr appt in Dec I felt hopeless and was doing alot of online research when I stumbled across All Day I Dream About Food.

Love that website!! I do the Trim Healthy Mama plan and have loved tweaking my already gluten free low carb diet to include sweets that I missed.

I make a muffin in a mug recipe in my waffle iron. I top it with some stevia sweetened greek yogurt and berries. Feels like cheating :)

pattygirl63
04-04-2014, 11:55 AM
Carol Sue So sorry you cut your thumb. I hope it is better today.

Stomach is doing fine this morning. I was thinking about going on and upping my carbs to 25 g or 30 g, but won't do that until Monday. I'm not getting even 10 g fiber most of the time. I was going to eat brussel sprouts yesterday and it was too many carbs so I couldn't have them. I'll have to see. I think I forgot to check what the net carb was. Not doing the bike this week, but I am going to start riding it next week regardless of whether I do another week of Induction or start adding carbs. The reason I said go to 30 is because I seem to be getting more like 23 to 25 g now so I just may go ahead and go to 25 or 30.

My weight has been 225.4 for 3 days in a row now which is a big change for me. And my fbs this morning was 93. BS after dinner last night was 102. So I am still motivated. Since I've been faithfully dieting since the day after Christmas, I really didn't expect a big water weight loss because I was handling water weight with my diuretic, but now I'm controlling it with the low carb way of eating. I am very happy with the way things are going.

The Atkins bar will definitely be an emergency thing (maybe). I say maybe because I didn't really enjoy it and last night I decided to eat just 1/4 of one and it just doesn't do anything for me. I think because the only time I crave sweets when my blood sugar is running high close to 200. Now that it is down, sweets are not a problem for me. I wasn't one of those kids who ate a lot of sweets mainly because my Mama loved sweets and we had them all the time. I never ate it very often. When my Daddy wasn't home at night, she always made homemade fudge. She and my sisters would eat it, but I didn't want any of it. Now I did have a problem with salty things like chips, but now that the new Atkins plan says low carbers need to eat salt to keep from having leg cramps, I can have salt on my food which I like mostly on meat, I don't even have a cravings for that either.

I find that I am able to get by on 3 meals and a snack because the cravings are gone. I would say to anyone who is looking for a way of eating that is healthy for them is this, keep looking until you find what works for you. I know I probably drove people crazy trying to find a way of eating that I could live with. I am happy to say that I've finally found mine.

Have great weekend.

Wannabehealthy
04-04-2014, 01:49 PM
This is the first time I've admitted this to anyone but God. When I was a kid I stole money from my mother's purse DAILY to buy chocolate candy. I was so hooked. Never got caught, either. I could eat a whole bag of Hershey's Kisses in one sitting. But it has to be plain chocolate. No nuts, caramel, or anything else.

Ruthxxx
04-04-2014, 02:07 PM
Just checking in to report that I am slowly dropping pounds on a low carb plan and my FBGL has been great. Next week I start back at the gym and WILL get my HA1C done soon. I've not been around much as I've been up to my butt in tax stuff and dental stuff but WELCOME to the new folks.

love2b150
04-04-2014, 05:54 PM
Trish I buy the one that is least expensive also. I don't know if I've ever paid attention to the sugar in it though so I'll have to check. Go to atkins.com and as soon as the site comes up it will say order your free quick-start kit with 3 free Atkins bars, 2 informational booklets and a carb counter and acceptable foods list booklet. No I didn't order an Atkins book. Is that book new? Maybe I can get it at the library. Yes I do use mustard, I would have remembered while making it :) I love mustard also any kind spicy included :) Trish those are some great numbers. Exciting to see I'm sure. :) We learn from each other so every trial helps us all, even when informational :hug:

I think 119 is the number. My strips came in the mail yesterday and I decided to test my bs it was 119 two hours after eating some premium round unsalted crackers with peanut butter that made me smile. YAY FOR 119 :)

Carol Sue, that's funny you should say your hairdresser wants you to come back sooner. I do believe people actually do that to there clients. It certainly keeps them in business and she probably enjoys your company :). LOL you are so correct with the description of the Wasa crisp. I have bought them also. I use to use them also with peanut butter and jelly as my substitute sandwich, they taste pretty good that way :) I like turkey and cheese, ham and cheese or tuna and cheese on a lettuce wrap with mustard, mayo and tomato. You don't even know there isn't any bread. ;) Hope you thumb is ok, I sliced my finger on a meat slicer at work once (I was a teen, like Shannon I still remember that and the stitches) I never want stitches again. Hope it heals soon :hug: Carol Sue that's so cute, and I know it felt good to say :hug: I have never been a big chocolate eater, like Trish my thing is salt. I can eat a huge bag of sour cream and onion, barbecue, hot and spicy, salt and vinegar chips with no problem :drool: I absolutely love potato chips.

Thanks Laurie, yeah I was just reading something about that with the sugar. I bought the iHop sugar free syrup once and it had a yucky after taste. I saw some others I'll just pick one and keep you all posted :)

Shannon, one of the best things I've ever read is when eating out immediately ask for a take out container and half the food. LOL you are like two of my sons and I. When we go to my Auntie's we are happy to be there but no internet drives us nuts. My son said Mom you really need to make at least your phone a hot spot, lol :) I ate a slice of real pizza yesterday with my oldest daughter and burger king also. My youngest and I just made a crustless sauceless pizza and shared it. I would have just ate the topping off of the slice yesterday but I was hungry and we were in the car so I ate it crust and all, even made a mess on my jeans, smh. Take something for that indigestion :hug:

Donna I ate my muffins in a mug because I made them but I'll be honest they were :barf: How do you make you're, what's in them? I don't remember which site I got them from but I made a plain one and a cinnamon one and neither were good. I'm gonna try your recipe in the waffle iron when you give it to me. ;)

Keep up the great work Ruth :)

....

Well bad me did horribly yesterday, I was over in calories by 1193 and carbs by 244. MFP surely puts things into perspective for ya ;). I didn't do any exercise either. Just spent the better part of the day with my thin wanting to stop every where to eat daughter :) We had a good time but goodness I couldn't do that everyday. I drank a nice warm glass of prune juice before bed because my stomach was a mess. Thank goodness it does help me :) Weigh in today was 163.8 up .4 from yesterday which would have been way worse if not for that fiber :D. I did make it to the gym today burned 504 calories so feeling good.

Wannabehealthy
04-05-2014, 06:13 AM
I am still learning with these new pills. The past few days my diet has stayed the same low carb I've been doing. I've been taking the pills, but I haven't exercised for 3 days. As a result, my blood sugar has been noticeably higher. So the exercise IS a big factor. I will have to do some exercise today. We are watching my Grandson today, so I will have to fight him for the elliptical. LOL

Rennie - It sounds like you really had a good time with your daughter, even though you overate. It's ok to do that once in a while. When I first met my husband we used to get a large pizza every Sunday. I was really thin back then. Last night we went through the town we used to live in and went past the pizza shop. We decided to get their phone number loaded into our phone and next time we are going to be going by that way we will call and order a pizza, to see if it's still as good as it was back then. I will have to get ready for that!

Donna, I too would like to get the recipe for the muffin you make in the waffle maker if you don't mind sharing.

Shannon, my mother and I clashed a lot, too. It wasn't about weight or food, but about daily living. She wasn't happy about my lifestyle. I really wasn't that bad, but she was somewhat of a holy roller (I don't know what other word to use) so just about anything I did that didn't include church and praying made me a heathen. Now my much older half sister passed away. She always seemed like the sweetest thing to me, but at the funeral her adult children were telling me about the issues they had with her. I guess it's hard to let your adult children be adults and make their own choices while keeping your mouth shut about it at the same time. I see it with my DH and his two adult children.

I had a friend who used to say "You don't pay my mortgage, you don't get a vote!" LOL

Yay Ruthie! Lower weight and blood sugar! Hope your dental work is going well.

I am so happy about the way this board has shaped up in the past several months.

Where's Mad?

Shannonsnail
04-05-2014, 10:28 AM
Good morning and happy weekend!

Carol Sue I have read exercise does significantly lower BG. There is a national campaign once a year where people test, exercise 30 min and then test again and log both results on a website....and the whole point is to show that affect. I have personally suspended exercise for the time being. In the past I would start to change diet and exercise at the same time. The exercise made me extra hungry, I binged and gained instead of losing. This time I've decided I need to have my dietary changes more ingrained before starting the exercise part so I'm waiting right now til a few more weeks pass. On the topic of mothers, I imagine I'll have plenty of opinions as well when my daughter is older too. I just don't like my mom's superiority complex she delivers with her comments, lol. I hope to break that part of the cycle!

Rennie yay for fresh new days with no mistakes in them!

Trish your readings are so good!! You are on much lower carbs than me but I am hoping by my initial change in significantly lowering mine I can achieve the same without having to go super super low. I used to probably have around 300 g daily and now I am probably more like 100 g or less.

Donna I looked into THM back in the fall and thought there was just too much stevia in the recipes....but that was before I knew I was going to be giving up most sugar, lol!

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Now for some completely random ramblings....
I need some good recommendations for lunches and snacks. Breakfast and dinner I seem to have no problem with but the middle of the day needs more preparedness. I'm finding that when I don't know what to do I don't eat or don't eat enough which then makes me starving at dinner and it's a fight not to get crazy. If you have suggestions or links somewhere with suggestions, bring 'em on!

My husband and daughter usually go out on Saturdays so I can do things I need to do. Grocery shopping, meal planning and coloring my roots (been prematurely greying since 18) are at the top of my list....then cleaning, lol. I really want to try some new recipes this week. I dislike vegetables but have been working on trying new (to me) ones in multiple ways before closing my mind to them. I want to attempt the cauliflower rice and mashed potatoes soon. I have a feeling the hubby will FREAK but I want to at least try!

Also, I am inching closer and closer to onederland. That is exciting but for me, usually, it's like the kiss of death. Everytime I get to around 202 something happens (it varies) and I gain and get frustrated and give up. I know my TOM is around the corner so that is likely the "something happens" this time.

I gave up sugar sweetened beverages for Lent in hopes that it would kick start my being able to give up more and more refined sugar in my diet in general. Before that I mostly had unsweetened beverages at home but always had pepsi or sweet tea out (we eat out usually once during the week and then several times on the weekend). So, it wasn't an everyday thing but it was a kind of regular thing. It has been SO HARD to order water or unsweet tea (when the meal included a beverage....I get migraines from aspartame so diet sodas are not an option for me).

Shannonsnail
04-05-2014, 10:46 AM
This is the first time I've admitted this to anyone but God. When I was a kid I stole money from my mother's purse DAILY to buy chocolate candy. I was so hooked. Never got caught, either. I could eat a whole bag of Hershey's Kisses in one sitting. But it has to be plain chocolate. No nuts, caramel, or anything else.

I prefer my chocolate plain too!

Shannonsnail
04-05-2014, 10:48 AM
Trish what brand of mayonnaise do you buy? That mock potato salad is delicious. I put green pepper, onion, celery, and relish in it. I guess I could boil some eggs and put the egg white in it also. I love egg salad with just the yolks :) Thanks it does. I wrote it down :) Which Atkins bars did you buy? I the peanut butter granola bar, not grainy to me so I can eat it. And the triple chocolate bar pretty good. I signed up for the Atkins something and they sent those to me free to try along with another one but I don't remember the name.

Rennie I buy Duke's regular (not light) for 0 sugar. I have not looked at other brands. I do know that light mayo and light or FF sour cream both have more carb content than their regular versions. Brand may not matter, not sure.

love2b150
04-05-2014, 11:12 AM
Carol Sue, I always have a great time with my daughter. Eventhough she's married and on her own I still see her as my baby. She was here last evening. I love having her around. I didn't over eat really but when I add up the calories of the stuff that I eat out verses what I prepare at home the number are ridiculous. Had I made a double cheese burger at home, I would have used oopsie bread. Had I ate a slice of pizza at home I would have not had any crust or used oopsie bread. So processed/take out/sodium laden food is definitely not the way I want to eat. :) I use to order a thin crust spinach alfredo pizza from CiCi's. I would add more spinach and eat a slice or two a day, that wasn't bad to me. I really miss the convenience of where we use to live. My daughter got that pizza from Little Caesar's and I don't even know if they can make a healthy pizza :dizzy: Does your pizzaria have the same owners? The pizza may be just as great as you remember :) Sounds like a great plan. The places that my husband and I use to eat at are in Washington, DC where we grew up. Washington has changed so much nothing is the same and it seems once the children and grandchildren take over what establishments are still there the food is different. Ah but old times and memories are great :) Carol Sue I like that saying. Now I have just the opposite story of you and your Mother. I grew up going to church all the time and I wanted to go. However, it was my God-Parents that took me and had me baptized not my Mother. She would get me dressed and send me on my way. As I got older and noticed a lot of things that I did not agree with (in that church) per se, I stopped going regularly. My ex-husband was a church goer but did not practice what he preached per se, so another strike for me. However his Mother was a Saint but her church was too far. My now husband grew up in another faith that I did not agree with either but they say opposites attract. We had a ton of major life issues going on and I was about to lose my mind (I think). I had a neighbor that asked me continually to go to church with her and it got so bad that I would avoid seeing her so I wouldn't have to say no. Then my/our world just started falling apart/down/pure chaos. I turned to God who has always been there for me but I never opened up to allow Him to fully come in. (yes I joined my neighbors church best decision I have made) All that to say, when I gave up my cigarettes and drinking cold turkey and got completely involved in my friends church my Mom giggled and taunted me saying things like I'm acting like I am this and that. I thought what is wrong with her she should be happy. But she has never said anything good about me until recently with my weight loss. I have never done anything right in her opinion. Every bed I've made I needed to lay in it to learn from my mistakes. Her words. I use to want her to say I've done something good in life but now it doesn't matter. So to hear her speak about my weight is a shock, and that may have been because the rest of my family was commenting and she needed to chime in. OK long story, thanks for listening.

Carol Sue, what was wrong with this board before, just curious? sounds like we were out of whack! (hope this doesn't sound mean, it surely isn't meant to be :hug:)

Shannon I have been having for breakfast
~eggs, with cheese and sausage or bacon.
~protein smoothie, with yogurt and flaxseed mixed in
~Atkins shake with a scoop of protein powder
~protein pancake, omelet

lunch
~lettuce wrap with tuna and provolone (I heat the tuna and provolone), some kind of fruit, nuts
~lettuce wrap with turkey and cheese, some kind of fruit, nuts

this is when I eat like I am supposed to.

Today I had an Atkins shake, a Ĺ cup of cream of chicken soup (I prepared for the kids but they didn't eat for dinner) and I was thinking of a grapefruit but I'm not hungry. I try have about 12-16ozs of water before I eat or green tea. Hope this helps when I think of more things I'll add them.

Trish where are you?

I got enough sleep so weight was down .6 fbs was at 120 because I ate hot Takis/Chips late which is a :nono: but today's a new day :)

love2b150
04-05-2014, 11:17 AM
Oh I have JFG mayonnaise. No carbs and no sugar.

I just read in Woman's World last night that if we eat all food cooked at home and not processed already prepared things our weight loss would improve substantially. I'm gonna try to cook (cook) all of my meals for a week and see what happens. I hope I don't get bord, since it's just for me I will prepare enough to last. Also drinking cucumber, citrus water. I'm gonna give this a shot.

pattygirl63
04-05-2014, 02:43 PM
First off, I don't think I welcomed the Newbies. So a big :welcome: to all of you. Great to see our little corner of 3fc growing again. :)

I had beauty appt early this morning so no time to post. I came home and was a little hungry so I tried something I read about on another thread. I know Greek yogurt is supposed to be good for you, but I didn't like the taste. Someone on another thread said that they add Polaner SF preservatives to their Greek yogurt. Now that I'm remembering to subtract my fiber count from the carb count this is working better. I'm not sure yogurt is allowed the first week of Atkins, but I ate it with the Polaner and it was delicious. Since it was a snack to hold me over until lunch, I only ate 1/4 c Greek yogurt with 1 T Polaner. It was surprisingly good.

I'm having a hamburger today minus the bun. I'm cooking so it will be low carb. I may have to add some raw veggies for crunchiness as I love potato chips with my burger.

Rennie When I decided that I was going to do Atkins, I planned it for a time when we don't have any other plans so that all our food would be prepared at home... no eating out. I decided a while back when we were eating out so often that we would do better if we ate at home more and I prepared out meals. I had forgotten about the flaxseed, I hadn't thought about it. Thanks for the reminder; I think I'll try adding it to the yogurt/Polaner mixture. Oh yes, another thing, I agree with Carol Sue eating off once in a while isn't going to be bad as long as we don't allow it to derail and send us on one of those "well, I've blown it today so I might as well eat" attitudes and go wild. We are learning how to make this a lifestyle of eating not just another diet. You will be fine.

Shannon I've never been able to do Atkins Induction before for any length of time. But this time has been different. I won't keep my carbs this low except for the 2 weeks recommended and then I will start raising them 5 g a week. Atkins says that some people can only do between 30 & 40 g while other are able to do much more and still lose weight. So you are probably doing what works for you and that is good.

Carol Sue I know that exercise is definitely plays a great part of keeping fbs down. Mine was 117 g this morning, but I haven't exercised this week. I am thinking I will start riding the recumbent bike again Monday, but just not 45 minutes. While reading the book again, I noticed that if you already exercise pretty good and it doesn't make you weak while doing Induction, that you are allowed to continue exercising. So I am thinking that I could at least do 20 to 25 minutes until my body adjusts.

Ruthie So glad bs is better. I know the dental work is unpleasant, but you will feel so much better when it is done. Always good to hear from you.

Donna I'm interested in the muffin recipe too.

Well, that hamburger on lettuce is calling my name LOL. So I'm going to go make it.

Keep up the good work everybody and have a blessed weekend. I'll catch y'all sometime tomorrow after church.

Y'all are a great bunch and I'm so glad to be a part of y'all.

Oh yes. Weight was 225.4 again. I'm thinking this a good thing because it means my body is making the transition and hopefully the weight will start coming down again soon.

love2b150
04-05-2014, 10:47 PM
Trish that hamburger on lettuce sound delicious, now I want one ;) thanks for the reminder about the Polaner. I forgot I bought some almond butter today at Aldi and I wanted to try it. I don't like it alone like peanut butter so I made me a half of a sandwich on s/f nature's own with the polaner grape jam. I agree Greek yogurt definitely has it's own distinction :)

I had another crazy eating day :dizzy: thanks to being out too long ... but I got to the gym burned 260 calories not nearly enough but that's all the time we had

B ~ Atkins chocolate shake, Ĺ cup cream of chicken soup w/real chicken
S ~ whopper malted eggs, banana
L ~ Atkins chocolate peanut butter bar
S ~ ľ of a pack of cheese/pb cracker so one cracker, almond butter/polaner s/f grape on a slice of s/f nature's own
D ~ little pieces of orange chicken b4 the sauce was put on it, egg roll no duck sauce and 1.5 grapefruits

Shannonsnail
04-06-2014, 02:06 AM
I bought a new meter today (blue). I went to Walmart to get a refill of strips and discovered they've changed their brand of meters. The strips for the newer meter are half the cost of the strips for my my old meter (green). The new meter would pay for itself on the second box of strips so that was a no brainer. Since I am not diagnosed I get no coverage for supplies.

Anyway, I have to order control material for the new strips and I am out of control material for the old strips so I thought the best I could do for right now was test both at same time to see if they were running the same.....hmmm.....not good....one isn't working properly but I don't know which one. My guess is either my older strips or older meter are the culprit. If I am right that means all my values I've been getting have appeared much lower than they actually are....yikes! (Related but unrelated, my degree is in laboratory medicine...if anyone ever has questions interpreting lab values for any test, please feel free to pick my brain....somedays I miss thinking scientifically, lol!)

pattygirl63
04-06-2014, 12:18 PM
I am down another 1.2 lbs today. Tomorrow is my actual WI, so will wait until tomorrow to change ticker if it stays. My fbs was 97 today.

I did not stay with Atkin Induction because I couldn't handle the constipation. I ended up eating about 40 g net carbs yesterday. So I am going to go up a little to get the fiber in. I want to keep my fiber no higher than 30 g.

Didn't make it to church today because my stomach was not good last night, but I know it was caused by the onion on the hamburger. It was hmm delicious while I ate it, but I paid for it later. I guess I will have to saute them for a while till tummy is much better.

Rennie I had an Atkins shake this morning with 1/2 c blueberries and it was delicious. Boy it fills you up. I lost weight before I married my DH 11 yrs ago drinking shakes in the morning, but didn't add anything to it. Didn't know much about it back then. I also ate a low carb bar once in a while with a cup of coffee. I didn't eat right at meal time though. A friend and I would go to Cracker Barrel and have coffee and i would always eat a chef salad. While I did get some nutrition, I didn't eat enough as I was working 3 jobs at the time and by the time Tony married me I was thinner, but not in great shape. I started juicing and eating high protein when I married him and eventually got my health back. I think I could drink an Atkins shake with fruit and eat pretty balanced low carb and do great now.

Any way, I wanted to try the shake this morning since I didn't go to church because I wanted to see how my body deals with it. It is my plan to start drinking one on Sat and Sun mornings if I handle it okay. I am always in a hurry to get out of here those mornings to go to beauty shop on Sat and since we always have breakfast meal when we get home from church and I don't want 2 egg breakfasts on Sun. These shakes would work great.

Oh last night for a snack I whipped 2 eggs and put it in a pan with a little bit of coconut oil and got busy and ended up with an omelet. I added a pinch of mozzarella cheese grated and then. Put it on the plate and though. Wow that looks like a pancake so I spread a Tbles of Polaner Apricot on it and it was surprising good. So a new tasty way to get 3 g fiber.

Lunch today will be eggs, bacon and kale.

Dinner will be cube steak, green beans and maybe a small salad w/mayo.

Not sure what snacks will be yet. Mainly going for 15 to 25 g fiber toay.

Oh yes, Rennie I ordered the free books from Atkins so when I get the bars, I'll see if I like any of those. I finally realized why I don't like the ones I got. I like the plain coconut bars and the one I got has almonds. Just not as good. You know Walmart doesn't carry everything or they were sold out of good ones and not good at restocking. I guess I should have gotten the peanut butter cups instead. Not my favorite, but I like them better than what they had.

Carol Sue Hope your thumb is feeling better today.

Ok girls I'm out of here for now. Have blessed Sunday.

pattygirl63
04-06-2014, 12:27 PM
I bought a new meter today (blue). I went to Walmart to get a refill of strips and discovered they've changed their brand of meters. The strips for the newer meter are half the cost of the strips for my my old meter (green). The new meter would pay for itself on the second box of strips so that was a no brainer. Since I am not diagnosed I get no coverage for supplies.

Anyway, I have to order control material for the new strips and I am out of control material for the old strips so I thought the best I could do for right now was test both at same time to see if they were running the same.....hmmm.....not good....one isn't working properly but I don't know which one. My guess is either my older strips or older meter are the culprit. If I am right that means all my values I've been getting have appeared much lower than they actually are....yikes! (Related but unrelated, my degree is in laboratory medicine...if anyone ever has questions interpreting lab values for any test, please feel free to pick my brain....somedays I miss thinking scientifically, lol!)

I plan to get DH and me one of those when we run out of our strips. We have the Reli-on Ultima they came out with a few years ago. So far my meter has been pretty much in line with my A1c readings. Although there have been times I thought my readings were high and the A1c reading was lower when there was a difference. I never worried about it because A1c is average of 3 months. I sure hope when I get the Prime that it will be as good as my Ultima. I've never ordered the control materials, but I've never had any problems with mine. I remember fatmad told us a while back that meters are allowed to be off a few mg so I didn't expect it to perfect. Maybe I'm wrong about that. I don't know.

Wannabehealthy
04-06-2014, 03:44 PM
DH wants potato pancakes for dinner today, so I am taking advantage of the opportunity to cook fish for myself. I saw on TV yesterday how to bake fish in parchment paper packets so I'm going to try that. I love baked fish. I don't know a lot about cooking fish. I recently made some talapia on my grill pan and it turned out good. I grilled it on one side, then after I turned it over I put a lid over it so it would steam and get cooked through. These parchment packets look so easy. You can put any seasoning you want on the fish.

Trish I also heard that the meters are not perfect, but give you a ball park number. I usually use control solution but what I have right now expired and I got a bad reading with it based on what the book said the control test should be. I asked at WalMart and they don't have the control solution but there's a phone number in the booklet that you call and they will send it to you. I don't know about cost.

One time I had 2 One Touch meters and the readings were way off from each other. I ran a control test and it didn't help. I opened a new canister of strips and that did the trick. They were not expired, but I wasn't testing much back then and they were just old.

I could not stay on induction either. I know that Kim on the Atkins board is adamant on the important of doing induction first, but someone else on that board said that you CAN follow Atkins without doing induction. I guess it's one of those things that isn't the same for everyone.

Last night DH baked a chocolate cake. I tasted one tiny forkful and it was just blah. I am so off sweets! Guess he'll have to eat it all himself!

I think my thumb is getting better. Today I took the bandage off and just have some gauze over it. I want to let it get some air, but the gauze covers it so dirt can't get into it.

Shannon, I am covered for testing supplies but the Reli-On are so cheap I just buy them.

Shannonsnail
04-06-2014, 05:48 PM
I plan to get DH and me one of those when we run out of our strips. We have the Reli-on Ultima they came out with a few years ago. So far my meter has been pretty much in line with my A1c readings. Although there have been times I thought my readings were high and the A1c reading was lower when there was a difference. I never worried about it because A1c is average of 3 months. I sure hope when I get the Prime that it will be as good as my Ultima. I've never ordered the control materials, but I've never had any problems with mine. I remember fatmad told us a while back that meters are allowed to be off a few mg so I didn't expect it to perfect. Maybe I'm wrong about that. I don't know.

The control material is free so I usually order it. I am having problems; however, getting the online request form to work so I guess I will call tomorrow. The FDA allows up to a 20% difference from laboratory run blood glucose levels and meter determined levels because of the difference in sample type but
I'm not sure what the acceptable difference would be between two very similar meters. I would expect it to have a much tighter Coefficient of Variation but maybe not.

Shannonsnail
04-06-2014, 05:53 PM
I also heard that the meters are not perfect, but give you a ball park number. I usually use control solution but what I have right now expired and I got a bad reading with it based on what the book said the control test should be. I asked at WalMart and they don't have the control solution but there's a phone number in the booklet that you call and they will send it to you. I don't know about cost.

One time I had 2 One Touch meters and the readings were way off from each other. I ran a control test and it didn't help. I opened a new canister of strips and that did the trick. They were not expired, but I wasn't testing much back then and they were just old.

Shannon, I am covered for testing supplies but the Reli-On are so cheap I just buy them.

I thought about it and those strips may have been too old. I had used them a while then quit testing a while, started back, quit again and started back so who knows how old they were. They were not expired but I didn't date them so could have been opened too long. I'm just kind of upset now to know my readings are probably 10-15% higher than I thought. I go for my next A1c draw in about 10 days and my appt is in 17 days so I will get answers soon.

Shannonsnail
04-06-2014, 06:21 PM
What a day, it's 5 pm and I wish I could get in bed, lol! I'm almost afraid to write this but my daughter has finally started sleeping a little better, after almost 4 yrs of not sleeping well, so she is waking earlier. So we went to the early service at church today. We went to mexican afterwards. I only ate two chips....wow, that's a first. I did order shrimp tacos and they were good but it was more bread than I've had in a couple weeks so I was full after 2 and my daughter ate the 3rd one. Strange though, about halfway through I was craving a taco salad! I never order those but I think that may be changing. I am truly starting to like vegetables more....another miracle. This afternoon I hard boiled some eggs for the week and pulled lots of weeds in the yard. I have a pot roast in the crock. I'm ready to eat and go to bed, lol! Unfortunately I have a lot more to accomplish today so that isn't happening but a girl can dream.

love2b150
04-06-2014, 07:15 PM
Shannon I'm still reading but I hope you get everything straight will the meters. Hope the strips were just old from opening and you are not diabetic :crossed: I have so many different meters. I wanted to get the Reli-on Prime meter at Walmart (which I see is what you purchased) since it is easily accessible but I bought the Bayer Contour Next USB on sale last year. I had been wanting it so when they marked it down, I jumped on it :). I like that I can connect it to the computer :) Great NSV's today, hope you get to go to bed sooner, than later :)

Trish, :yay: on the 1.2lbs down :) Atkins induction is doing what it says, way to go :high: Congratulations on the low fbs that is great. I'm longing to see those double digit numbers. And now I'm reading it's not making you feel well, I'm sorry. :hug: Glad you liked the shakes. They are good for a quick go to :) or in my case just being too lazy to prepare something a lot of morning ;) Trish how many eggs do you eat in a day? Do they bother your stomach? I bet gassy if I eat too many. :( I bought some organic Kale at Aldi yesterday. I'm not sure if I'm going to cook it or eat it raw. I've never had it raw, so any feedback you all have on the taste would be greatly appreciated. Either way I'm gonna give it a try raw but I'd like to know what you all think :) Trish you know that's the funny thing about Walmart, each one is so different. If I find something at one that I like I keep saying I am going to write the location down because I'll go to another one and they won't have what I bought at the other :dizzy:

Carol Sue I haven't had potato pancakes in years. My Mom use to make them from left over mashed potatoes, so good. We never have potatoes left over in this house though :) I just read on the Atkins site that is offering the free bars that you don't have to do induction. Yet when I did it you had to, so times have changed :) Glad your thumb is healing :hug:

I had a great weigh in this morning down 1.2 to 162.0. I think I'm not eating enough carbs or something because when I eat more of them not some crazy amount like what I did with BK and pizza but with pretty good eats the scale is happier. It could just be the calorie burn also, idk. My fbs is still not down in the one teens like it was so I have got to work on that. It was 131 today.

Hope the remainder of the day is great for you all :)

love2b150
04-06-2014, 08:01 PM
Two ladies on another thread mentioned that Traditional Medicinals organic Roasted Dandelion Root tea is a a natural diuretic so helps with water weight, helps your bodies natural detoxification process by helping your body breakdown fats during digestion and carry away waste. One lady also said her Mom's friend drinks it to lower her blood sugar and not take metformin. I found it at one Walmart and at Kroger for $4.59 a box 16 bags. Have any of you heard about this or tried this before. I had a cup today. After hearing about the natural diuretic I see why I've been to the bathroom so many times this afternoon.

Shannonsnail
04-06-2014, 08:03 PM
Rennie, suggestion on gas, I used to have horrible gas with eggs but since I started taking probiotic pills daily it stopped

love2b150
04-06-2014, 08:12 PM
Thanks Shannon :) I bought some gas relief chewables to help with the gas gas if you know what I mean, but the belching is the problem I have with eggs and it smells toxic. It makes me gag :( The probiotic pills you bought are they the one a day ones? I saw that on television but they cost more than I wanted pay or more than I had money for at the time.

Did you see my post above about the dandelion tea? Have you heard of that before?

Shannonsnail
04-06-2014, 10:06 PM
Thanks Shannon :) I bought some gas relief chewables to help with the gas gas if you know what I mean, but the belching is the problem I have with eggs and it smells toxic. It makes me gag :( The probiotic pills you bought are they the one a day ones? I saw that on television but they cost more than I wanted pay or more than I had money for at the time.

Did you see my post above about the dandelion tea? Have you heard of that before?

My husband got on one of his kicks and bought some kind of pricey ones (one a day) he read about but honestly, based on what doctors have told me I don't think brand matters. Consistency in taking them and making sure there are enough organisms in them is what is important. I think I read 50 billion for at least a month or two (to get system properly populated) and then 15 billion after for maintenance. I have asthma and get alot of upper respiratory infections in winter and end up on antibiotics quite often. I am doing 3 months on the higher dose then will likely buy something at walmart for after that. I'm not really into fads but I have alot of GI issues and am hoping this helps along with my other dietary changes.

I have heard of dandelion tea but have never tried it. I had my gall bladder out so it could help with some of my GI issues. I am peeing all the time though from increasing water so I'm afraid to try anything known to have a diuretic effect right now!

love2b150
04-06-2014, 10:16 PM
Shannon, I only pee a ton when my carbs are high and with bad starchy foods. I just couldn't figure it out today but I had a lot of water today. I've also had a few hot flashes today ... even at church. So I don't know what's going on with this body of mine.

pattygirl63
04-06-2014, 11:13 PM
Rennie No, I haven't heard of the dandelion tea for a diuretic, detoxifacation. I don't have any problems with the eggs, but then I only eat 2 a day. My problem seems to be onions right now. I have also heard that you don't have to do Induction, but hadn't read or seen it on official the site. Actually, my carbs minus the fiber are in line with Induction carbs today. Congratulations on your 1.2 lb loss.

So glad you girls mentioned the probiotics as I've forgotten to take mine today and yesterday. I take the Phillips probiotics.

love2b150
04-06-2014, 11:17 PM
Thanks Trish, I need to look into the probiotics for sure :)

Wannabehealthy
04-07-2014, 11:42 AM
I usually eat 2 eggs or eggbeaters a day. No problems. Sometimes I also eat a hard boiled egg or put one in my salad.

You all know I am into "eat what I like" rather than following a formal diet plan. Well back in the 70's I only had about 25 lbs to lose. I read the Atkins book, but did my own thing. I ate like I'm eating now....meat, fish, eggs and veggies. I avoided, bread, sweets, potatoes, rice...the obvious carbs. If I went to a party or buffet and the only meat choice was fried chicken with breading, I ate it and wrote it off as a blip. I lost the 25 lbs and kept it off until I got married to Mr Carb himself. When I started eating carb again, I gained and here I am. On the Atkins forum, Kim has a section on why you have to do induction. I think I will go back and read it. She is like an Atkins Guru and takes it very seriously. I think if you can lose weight on a general low carb food plan it is not imperative to follow induction to the letter. I know that induction is supposed to get you completely off carbs, and then when you add them back gradually, you learn what your limit is. But my opinion is coming from someone who is very overweight, so in that case, Kim's opinion would carry more weight as she has lost and kept it off.

Rennie With my heart disease, I have to be careful about diuretics. It is just as bad for me to become dehydrated as it is to be retaining fluid.

Your recent post gave me a big reason NOT to want to trade ages with you. You have not yet gone through meanopause, and that is an intentional typo! LOL It is a whole new world! I don't know what women did that God is punishing them so. LOL

My husband doesn't like potato pancakes made with leftover potatoes. Actually, around our area, those are called potato cakes. Potato pancakes are usually made with shredded raw potatoes. I cube the potatoes and put them in the blended with egg, flour and salt. They grate up finer like lumpy pancake batter. That's the only way DH likes them. I like them too, with a dollop of sour cream, but can't eat them.

Trish I used to get so much indigestion from onions, but I've been eating tons of them lately and they don't bother me anymore. My husband doesn't like my breath afterwards, though!

Shannon, I didn't know the control solution was free. I am going to look up the online order form and if I can't find it I will call the company. I really want to have it.

I love a taco salad. We never go out for Mexican, but we do buy take out tacos from Taco Bell on occasion. I bring them home and dump the filling into a bowl of lettuce. They are still considered high fat that way, but I watch carbs, not fat, unless it's sat fat. The lettuce helps fill me up.

I don't date my strips when I open them, either, so if I'm not testing regularly they get old. I was told that unless you are on insulin, insurance won't give you more strips than one or two per day. The reason is because if you do get a high reading there's not much you can do about it besides exercising. It's not like a T1 who can inject insulin. Once you determine what foods spike your blood glucose you should not have to keep testing post-prandial. I know some type 2s who take Metformin and don't test at all.

Shannonsnail
04-07-2014, 11:53 AM
Official weigh day....202! I'm back to where I was in early Feb when I started gaining and gave up. I would love to 1) not give up this time, lol and 2) lose 2 lbs this week and be at 200 next Monday! LOL! Not sure if that will happen but you heard it here first!

Wannabehealthy
04-07-2014, 11:57 AM
I just read Kim's post on the importance of induction:

It is necessary to rid your body of carb and sugar addiction,

I guess I see her point, in that if you have any bad carbs in your diet in those 2 weeks you will still have cravings for them. It's like trying to quit smoking while still having a cigarette or two a day. You have to go cold turkey to get rid of the cravings.

Now I'm off to see what the actual Atkins book has to say about the subject.

love2b150
04-07-2014, 12:05 PM
Carol Sue, Oh yeah the ones my Mom made are called potato cakes :) My boys have ordered the ones you make at Waffle House but I just thought they were called hashbrowns :) they put ketchup on them :)



My fbs was a little lower this morning 121. So it's coming back down.

love2b150
04-07-2014, 12:06 PM
Shannon you can do it :) and I hope to do it with you :)

Ruthxxx
04-07-2014, 02:00 PM
Been on Atkins induction since last Tuesday a.m. and have lost 9.8 lbs as of today. FBGL has been good. Kim is very, VERY knowledgeable and steared me towards this book: Atkins Diabetes Revolution. Perhaps you can get it from the Library.

Kim also is pure Atkins. Check out this post! Shakes and bars would not have met Robert's approval.

Shhhh - don't let the Beachers know. I am going to use South Beach when I get rid of some more of my winter avoirdupois.

pattygirl63
04-07-2014, 02:01 PM
Carol Sue I never thought of menopause that way, but it surely is mean to us women isn't it? Before I went through it, I had no problem at all losing weight. That is interesting because I remember my sister's doc telling her one time that he didn't understand why she could lose weight so easy, but not able to keep it off. Now she has a difficult time even losing like I have had. We have talked about it and wondered why. Never thought it was men/meanopause. Puts a whole new light on it.

Kim has been doing Atkins for a long time and I have to say she knows her stuff. She tried to help me when I fi.rst tried Atkins. I know she and a lot of the original Atkins people don't like the New Atkins plan, but too me when Dr. Atkins wrote his 1st book, it was very good, but I think it was written not only for us, but he was also writing it for medical doctors so they could understand the mechanics of it. Some things I just could not grasp or understand, but then I wasn't a doctor or RN either. For me the new book has helped me, becaue they have taken it and made it understandable so even I can understand it. I personally am thankful for the the new book.

I also agree with Kim about doing Induction. Someone who was on this thread yrs ago made the suggestion to me that if I could not do the Atkins Induction or Phase 1 of South Beach for 2 weeks that maybe I should just move on to the next phase. I think they were stressing the fact that just doing low carb in any form was better than not. I think one of the books SB or Atkins even says the same. Back then I never could go more than 10 days on Induction because I wanted some of the foods not allowed. However, I did get to the place that I didn't crave them, but as we know, I didn't stick with that either or I wouldn't be having to do this now. Carol Sue When I was in OA, we had a rule where if we were in a situation like you described that we could go ahead and eat the fried chicken whatever as long as we got right back on plan at the next meal. We knew we were not to make it an excuse to spend the day on a binge. Don't know why I had forgotten that.

I think I'm doing better this time mainly because of the stomach trouble I've been having. I think it has been a God send. You know God makes something good out of bad. I have to eat like I'm eating to feel good.

I actually am still on Induction. The book plays a "mind game" of sorts that works for me. Don't remember how Dr. Atkins did in the original, but the option of staying on Induction or moving on to OWL is now mine and that is what I need. I need to feel my way of eating is my choice. Another thing about the new plan that helps me where the old didn't explain clearly for me is that you eat a variety of low carb veggies not just a lot of protein with a little bit of lettuce salad like some people thought back then. I know that is what I thought and is probably why it got boring to me and I couldn't stick with it. I never got into ketosis doing Atkins back then. Personally, I am thankful for and love the clarification and down to earth jargon that I can understand from the new Atkins book.

The more I understand of how Induction works I realized that this way of eating isn't much different from the original Overeater's Anonymous gray sheet diet that I followed years ago except that you were only allowed to eat 3 meals a day and absolutely no snacks. I did pretty good on it, but I was hungry all the time. And there were times that I did cave because of I felt like I was starving. I can remember times that I ate all my meat and veggies at a meal and when I got through, I felt like I was starving as soon as I was through. We weren't allowed fat on that plan. Now that I can eat the way I did back then but have the fat and can eat up to 6 small meals if need be, I am never hungry.

The new Atkins says I can stay in Induction as long as I wish even down to within, I think, they said 10 lbs of goal. Then go directly to preparing for maintenance for the last few lbs. So for now, I am going to continue Induction until I feel like I'm ready or need to move on to OWL. They say staying on Induction helps to lose faster, however, if you don't mind losing slower you can choose to move on to OWL whenever ready. So I will stay at AI for a while. I want to lose as much as I possiby can before I go to TX. Then I will slow it down some. I did read in the book you don't have to exercise, but exercise helps the protein function better. So I will stick to exercising anywhere from 20 to 25 minutes 6 days a week. I hope that at 70 yrs of age the exercise will help tone myself as I lose so I won't be too flabby. That is one of the other things that I love about low carbing.

I did an experiment last night with eating before going to bed. It still doesn't work for me. I was up .2 lb from yesterday, but still lost 1 lbs this week. My fbs was up to 116 too. It always works that way for me and I'm sure it must be how my body functions so I'll not have bedtime snacks any more. I've also experimented this week with eating a starch one meal this week. It didn't seem to hurt me in any way so I do believe that will not be a problem on occasion but not on a regular basis. I know on Carbohydrate Addicts Diet you can do this daily, but the weight loss is so slow and so I will use days that I may have to or choose to eat off plan will become a "Planned" CAD day. That way I will never have a day when I will feel that I am really off plan because even those days the eating will be an On plan day.

Shannon While it is possible to lose that 2 lbs by next Monday, remember our bodies don't always act the way we want. At my age I would cautious hope for that, however, you are young enough that it is more likely that you will make it than not and I'm pulling for you. I am so proud of you for doing this while you are young then you will not have to deal with it at my age.:)

Rennie I think I remember you asking about kale. I buy mine frozen these days because it is so much easier. This morning I took 1 egg, 1/4 c turkey sausage and 1/4 c baby leaf kale and mixed with a little salt and Mrs. Dash mixed it in my Stonewave and microwaved it. When that was done I spread a tablespoon of Apricot Polaner SF preserves for extra fiber on top and ate it. My DH thinks I'm crazy but I often take certain foods I cook individually for us and mix mine into one serving. So greens like kale are so easy to mix into other foods. I used to purchase it fresh and break it up and wash it and put some of it in my salads too. I stopped and went to frozen because the fresh ruined too fast since I'm the only one who eats it. I used to even put it on hamburger or sandwiches in place of lettuce when I ate bread. I just realized in writing you that it would make a better bun replacement for a hamburger than the lettuce I usually use. It would hold up better so I could use the kale on the outside for more firmness and then add the lettuce and then build the burger. I'm going to have to get some fresh kale and try that soon.

Well, I got up late and am behind on everything so I'll catch y'all later. I got up late and DH got up early and is already asking what we are going to eat. I will have either Cube beef steak or a pork chop whichever he decides. I will eat either mustard or turnip greens and a salad with mine.

Have a great day catch; y'all later.

love2b150
04-07-2014, 05:27 PM
Ruth that a great loss, way to go :high:

Trish you are on a roll. Loads of information :)


I have had such an off day today food wise. I am gonna have to pick myself up and dust off. I can stop now with the junk but I don't think I can combat the mess I've already made today :(

pattygirl63
04-07-2014, 05:52 PM
Been on Atkins induction since last Tuesday a.m. and have lost 9.8 lbs as of today. FBGL has been good. Kim is very, VERY knowledgeable and steared me towards this book: Atkins Diabetes Revolution. Perhaps you can get it from the Library.

Kim also is pure Atkins. Check out this post! Shakes and bars would not have met Robert's approval.

Shhhh - don't let the Beachers know. I am going to use South Beach when I get rid of some more of my winter avoirdupois.

If I'm not mistaken, the shakes were only to be used in emergencies not as a regular everyday use.

Glad things are working for you again Ruthie. Congratulations on the 9.8 lbs loss.

Wannabehealthy
04-07-2014, 09:26 PM
Wow Ruthie! That's a wonderful loss!

Tonight I made chili for dinner. The beans are probably the most carbs I have had since I started this plan. I really missed my beans. They should help with the constipation, but I will be very curious as to what they do to my blood glucose. I will check tonight before I go to bed. They say that they are supposed to help lower blood sugar but they have never done that in the past. We shall see.

Kim and I had a discussion once about the New Atkins book. She relies only on the original Atkins. IMO the new book is the same principal as the old, it's just explained differently.

My DH is sick. I don't now what's actually wrong with him, but I'm concerned. In the 37 years I've known him, being sick never stops him. He always went to work sick, and would never lie down and rest when I suggested. He would be down in the basement or garage working on something no matter how he felt. And he would never admit he was sick. A week or so ago he sounded really nasally when he got up and I asked if he was getting sick and he said no. As days went by, he was sneezing and coughing, clearing his throat, and one day he almost lost his voice he was so hoarse. Now he finally told me that his chest is hurting really bad, and the pain is going around to his back. He thinks he has a chest cold and a lot of congestion. He never goes to the doctor unless he is carried into the hospital on a stretcher. He mentioned he might go to MedExpress, then decided to go to the drugstore to get something for congestion. He bought some Mucinex and is taking Alka Seltzer Plus but nothing seems to be helping. He has been lying in bed for the past three days. Definately not like him. He gets up and gets dressed, eats and goes to the bathroom, but is just lying in bed watching TV. I asked how he feels and he said a little better. It is so not like him to lie around. I'm concerned that it's pneumonia but he doesn't have a fever. He's not coughing anything up. Actually, he's not coughing at all anymore. I guess when he's darn good and ready he will go to MedExpress or the ER. From the way he's describing the chest pain it doesn't sound like heart pains. It's like a constant ache. He's usually the one who takes care of me, but I go to the doctor for every little thing, his words. I worry because he won't go. I would rather go to the doctor and have him tell me it's a cold than wait and find out it's something more serious.

Shannonsnail
04-07-2014, 09:41 PM
Wow Ruthie! That's a wonderful loss!

Tonight I made chili for dinner. The beans are probably the most carbs I have had since I started this plan. I really missed my beans. They should help with the constipation, but I will be very curious as to what they do to my blood glucose. I will check tonight before I go to bed. They say that they are supposed to help lower blood sugar but they have never done that in the past. We shall see.

Kim and I had a discussion once about the New Atkins book. She relies only on the original Atkins. IMO the new book is the same principal as the old, it's just explained differently.

My DH is sick. I don't now what's actually wrong with him, but I'm concerned. In the 37 years I've known him, being sick never stops him. He always went to work sick, and would never lie down and rest when I suggested. He would be down in the basement or garage working on something no matter how he felt. And he would never admit he was sick. A week or so ago he sounded really nasally when he got up and I asked if he was getting sick and he said no. As days went by, he was sneezing and coughing, clearing his throat, and one day he almost lost his voice he was so hoarse. Now he finally told me that his chest is hurting really bad, and the pain is going around to his back. He thinks he has a chest cold and a lot of congestion. He never goes to the doctor unless he is carried into the hospital on a stretcher. He mentioned he might go to MedExpress, then decided to go to the drugstore to get something for congestion. He bought some Mucinex and is taking Alka Seltzer Plus but nothing seems to be helping. He has been lying in bed for the past three days. Definately not like him. He gets up and gets dressed, eats and goes to the bathroom, but is just lying in bed watching TV. I asked how he feels and he said a little better. It is so not like him to lie around. I'm concerned that it's pneumonia but he doesn't have a fever. He's not coughing anything up. Actually, he's not coughing at all anymore. I guess when he's darn good and ready he will go to MedExpress or the ER. From the way he's describing the chest pain it doesn't sound like heart pains. It's like a constant ache. He's usually the one who takes care of me, but I go to the doctor for every little thing, his words. I worry because he won't go. I would rather go to the doctor and have him tell me it's a cold than wait and find out it's something more serious.

It sounds like walking pneumonia to me, I've had it a couple times. I hope he goes. I know all about hubbies that won't go to the dr!

Shannonsnail
04-07-2014, 09:45 PM
I tested after spaghetti for the first time tonight. I actually attempted spaghetti squash instead of noodles but ended up going back for a real plate, lol, as it was not good to me. Is it supposed to be crunchy?

Anyway, back to testing....at 2.5 hrs post prandial my reading was 153. That is too high right? 140 is the cutoff correct? So, I will try Dreamfields next time and if that doesn't work I might have to say goodbye to my favorite meal each week. (Just as an FYI I make my own meat sauce and it is lower carb than jarred sauces)

love2b150
04-08-2014, 12:15 AM
Carol Sue I agree with Shannon, please convince him to go the MedExpress or the ER. Pneumonia is no joke own of my sons had it. I pray for healing power.

Shannon, my husband self diagnoses also, big 6'6 baby. I have to tell the doctors everything because he will say anything is happening or tell them nothing is wrong, smh :) Shannon my spaghetti squash didn't come out crunchy. You'll have to try it again. I really liked it when I made it. I've bought Dreamfields but I now by the Shirataki noodles not bad at all taste wise, though chewy. I use to make my own sauce. I haven't done that in a very long time. Spaghetti use to be our every Wednesday meal before church, but after 6 years my husband said the sauce was too rich and made his stomach hurt so I don't make it as often. though the children love it. :)

Well I made it to the gym did 4.14 miles (hey my bday ;)) 65 minutes and burned 514 calories. Don't know what the scale will say since it says 165 now, I will probably not have much of a loss unless I happen to get a whoosh which I have yet to see

pattygirl63
04-08-2014, 12:34 AM
Carol Sue Sorry DH is ill. It does sound like something he needs to see a doc about. I hope he will decide to go.

Well, I share everything with you guys so I may as well fess up. No Atkins Induction to day. I ended up having a carby day, but stayed within my calories of 1537 so that was good. I had 79 g carbs minus 17 g fiber making my net carbs 62. I will check my bs before I go to bed. I did 25 minutes on the recumbent bike so that could have been the reason I was hungry plus I just didn't want to cook a meal for dinner.

Catch y'all tomorrow. Good night.

Wannabehealthy
04-08-2014, 09:39 AM
DH will not go to the doctor until he is ready. I'm now thinking it's not congestion. He is not coughing at all. Last night I checked his oxygen saturation and it was 98. If he had congestion in his lungs, wouldn't his oxygen saturation be affected? This morning he told me he will be dead in two weeks. I replied, if you aren't better by the week-end, I'm cancelling Easter dinner. He said Oh, I should be better by the week end. I said I thought you said you'd be dead? He doesn't want to get out of bed but wants me to stay in bed with him. When he starts snoring I figure he's asleep and start to get up, then he wakes back up. In my opinion, if he goes to the ER they will admit him, and that's why he won't go. I'm upset, but I can't make him do anything.

I had pneumonia in 2010. I was in the hosp for 5 days. I had a low grade fever and was very very tired. My husband has no fever, and he's not in bed because he's tired, he's in bed because of the pain. I think that's what's different from other times he's been sick. The pain. He just got up so we will see how he does.

Since we've having confession here, I gained 2 lbs. But this morning they were gone again. LOL

I had a victory of a sort yesterday, but I'm not sure why. This morning my FBG was lower than it was when I went to bed. That never happens to me. Fasting is always higher. I was 126 at bedtime and 121 this morning. I'm not sure what did it.

1. I didn't get to exercise in the afternoon, so I walked for 20 minutes in the evening, an hour or so after dinner.

2. I ate the beans in the chili, which is said to help BS.

3. I was not hungry and was not going to eat a snack at bedtime, but I wanted to get some edamame ready to snack on today, so I put some frozen edemame in a strainer and ran some water over it to defrost it and put it in a snack bag. When I did that, I ate several of them.

4. Then I remembered I hadn't had my walnuts I eat every day, so I ate 4-5 walnut halves.

5. Then I drank a glass of diet cranberry juice, which I try to have every day.

So one of those things, either the evening exercise or the snack items, did something. I also see a correlation between my blood sugar staying down overnight and the 2 lb weight loss.

RE the Kale discussion. I cannot eat raw kale. It is just too tough and prickley, and has no taste, but I don't think what I buy is baby kale. I can only eat it cooked. I am also the only one here who eats it so I buy the bunches that they sell by the pound, and I look for the smallest bunch. One time they only had huge bunches so I didn't buy it. But when I do buy it, I have to eat it every day so it won't go bad. I will look for the frozen kale. I've never seen it but maybe I just wasn't looking for it. That would be great to have on hand for times when I can't get the fresh kale. I did see frozen okra. It's not real common in this area, but I guess I never saw it before because I wasn't looking.

When I was googling my new med, I came across a discussion about glimiperide on another forum, so I signed up so I could post. These people are real downers compared to this forum. They were dead set against me trying to lose weight to get my bs down. They said it's more important to control your bs than to lose weight. Take your meds and stay fat. LOL Also, they were quoting studies and trials that PROVE that diabetes has nothing to do with weight and losing weight will NOT help my bs. They said that diabetes is a progressive disease and you just keep getting worse and taking more meds until you finally end up on insulin. Basically, I told them I will be back to report when I have lost weight and got off my diabetes meds. I think it's attitudes like theirs that keeps people from trying to improve their diet and their health. How can we be wrong when we see our weight and bs improve with exercise and dietary changes that produce the weight loss????

We ROCK!

Wannabehealthy
04-08-2014, 09:48 AM
Shannon, the first time I ate spaghetti squash my reaction was like yours. I didn't like it because I expected it to taste like spaghetti and have the same texture. I didn't eat it for years. I tried it again this past year, but instead of using a red pasta sauce, I made a butter sauce with sauteed onion and garlic. I loved that. BUT my bs was not good when I ate it, so I quit. I have not tried Dreamfields but I have used Ronzini Smart Taste. It's good, but I didn't notice it being any better for my blood sugar then regular pasta. Now my husband likes angel hair. I have heard that thinner pasta such as angel hair or vermicelli is as good for you as whole wheat pasta. If I ever get to the point that I am willing to try carbs again I will eat it in very small portions, adding lots of veggies and meatballs for protein.

Wannabehealthy
04-08-2014, 10:48 AM
DH stayed up for about a half hour and then went back to bed. While he was up, he coughed a couple times and I could hear congestion loosening up in his chest, so I'm back to thinking it's congestion. He has been running the vaporizer so that might be loosening things up. I told him that lying down is NOT good for pneumonia, but he says he feels terrible and wants to lie down. I can't force him. He's an adult, even though he acts like a child sometimes.

I had my breakfast of scrambled eggs with mushrooms. I sprinkled in some black beans. So far they haven't raised my BS.

love2b150
04-08-2014, 10:58 AM
Carol Sue, I pray your husband feels better soon :hug: Men are so stubborn :(. On that thread, my goodness. Some people are happy as they are and don't believe that there is a such thing as change. We are not those people thank goodness :) On the spaghetti sauce I love the sound of the sauce that you made. Can you go into detail on how you made the sauce :drool:

my fbs was 129 this morning. I know what my problem is and I just need to get my head back into the game of eating properly

pattygirl63
04-08-2014, 11:03 AM
Just quick flyby, but will be back later. Yesterday was just a blip. I am back on track although not really calling my way of eat Atkins. Just low carb. I do need to raise my fiber which will help with keeping the carbs low.

Weight was up only .4 lb this morning and fbs was 109 so I'm still good. So I'm just doing low carb. As long as I can lose weight and keep fbs/bs low, that is what I'm working for.

BBL

Shannonsnail
04-08-2014, 11:35 AM
When I was googling my new med, I came across a discussion about glimiperide on another forum, so I signed up so I could post. These people are real downers compared to this forum. They were dead set against me trying to lose weight to get my bs down. They said it's more important to control your bs than to lose weight. Take your meds and stay fat. LOL Also, they were quoting studies and trials that PROVE that diabetes has nothing to do with weight and losing weight will NOT help my bs. They said that diabetes is a progressive disease and you just keep getting worse and taking more meds until you finally end up on insulin. Basically, I told them I will be back to report when I have lost weight and got off my diabetes meds. I think it's attitudes like theirs that keeps people from trying to improve their diet and their health. How can we be wrong when we see our weight and bs improve with exercise and dietary changes that produce the weight loss????

We ROCK!
This is a bunch of hooey! So, I told you that my degree is in laboratory medicine. After I left the lab, the last 12 years of my career were in clinical trials. The last 8 of those 12 I spent at a company that specialized in cardiovadcular disease and diabetes trials. I promise you that weight loss does help and can even reverse diabetes. Bunch of old farts over there, lol!

lotsakids
04-08-2014, 12:35 PM
I don't date my strips when I open them, either, so if I'm not testing regularly they get old. I was told that unless you are on insulin, insurance won't give you more strips than one or two per day. The reason is because if you do get a high reading there's not much you can do about it besides exercising. It's not like a T1 who can inject insulin. Once you determine what foods spike your blood glucose you should not have to keep testing post-prandial. I know some type 2s who take Metformin and don't test at all.

I buy the Relion strips and meter from Walmart because the doctor only prescribed one strip a day. I got to the point where I thought, hey he doesn't care what my blood sugar is so... he also told me to limit sweets. I was already doing that so I had stopped using the Relion at other times of the day and pretty much only tested my FBS which was always good, under a 100 usually 80.

Imagine my surprise when I went for my A1c and was still at 7 which meant I had an average blood sugar of 154. Now I am back to using my Relion several times a day, eating to my meter. Recently I've found that even though I am eating low carb and gluten free the amount of food I eat can spike me- I found that out through testing. As my weight goes down I will constantly have to adjust that.

Doctors try to keep the insurance company happy, the insurance company cares about their bottom line. We have to care about our own blood sugar. Another forum I use consistantly tells us Type 2 diabetics to eat to your meter, know what and how much food spikes you and make corrections. We can take control but we can't rely on insurance companies or our doctors to always have our backs.

love2b150
04-08-2014, 12:44 PM
Trish good numbers there, keep up the good work :)

I promise you that weight loss does help and can even reverse diabetes. <--- Shannon I thought I had read this some where, but my memory is bad and these are certainly my hopes :)

Donna I agree ---> Doctors try to keep the insurance company happy, the insurance company cares about their bottom line. We have to care about our own blood sugar. Another forum I use consistantly tells us Type 2 diabetics to eat to your meter, know what and how much food spikes you and make corrections. We can take control but we can't rely on insurance companies or our doctors to always have our backs.

pattygirl63
04-08-2014, 01:56 PM
Shannon I have read (in fact have two book) that say you can reverse diabetes with diet and exercise. They both stress the point of eating more fiber. However, I just realized the New Atkins book says that you can relerse it with their diet as well. The interesting thing is that if you follow Atkins as suggested you would eventually be adding more fiber. I guess I am proof that following it proves that is true. I was diagnosed with diabetes back in the 80s and I was able to get rid of diabetes and live without any meds for a good 10 yrs or more. When I regained weight over 200 lbs, the diabetes returned with it. So I know from experience that losing weight and exercise can and will reverse diabetes. At least it does for me.

Y'all are talking about the problems with the meters makes me not want to change my meter. I had planned to get the new one because it is cheaper, but my bs is always in line with my A1c readings. However, the few times they were off was when I was having high reading on my home meter and I expected a bad A1c only to find that my average was better. So I'm not sure I should get a new one since mine I evidently have a very good one.

Carol Sue I have tried the fiber pills, the psyllium and other powder for constipation and they did nothing but bloat me. Seems they just laid in my belly. So I can't take them either. They work great for DH and my sister. But I seem to have to eat my fiber in foods. I think I need to focus more on protein, fiber and try to keep the carbs as low as possible although my carbs won't be Atkins low and fiber won't be extremely high either. I thought about eating edamame for a snack. I love the taste so I think I'll fix a bag for snacks. Do you keep the bag in fridge once thawed? Do you just eat a serving or what.

I ended up wanting cookies last night, but I really think what saved me was I ate 2 oz of nuts (fiber/healthy fat) with them. Plus I didn't pig out on them I just ate a serving of 2 different kinds. It wasn't a binge, but a planned type meal. I remember my doctor telling my DH that I could have ice cream if I wanted sometime in place of a meal. So that is why I made it a planned meal. This is a learning process and I found that I they didn't taste as well as I thought they would. I keep the cookies here for DGS when he is here on weekends, but he hasn't been here on weekends since he lost his license so I'll put them in the freezer for him. You know "out of site out of mind".

Donna My doctor gave me a prescription for my meter etc but only for 1 stick a day. When I asked if I could get more, he told me that since I'm on medicare that I would be required to keep a record to be shared with medicare. I decided to start purchasing the sticks on my own. I don't even get a prescription for them any more as I think government gets too involved in our business as it is. IMHO. I didn't want it on my record because 1) my diabetes isn't bad enough to have more sticks. It is my choice to stick after some foods to see how it affects my spikes. This is how my step-sister's DH got control of his diabetes. 2) I don't plan to live with diabetes for the rest of my life since I know losing the weight will reverse it. The difference this time is I'm doing this to find out what I can and cannot eat so that when I reach goal that I will know how to maintain and never gain any of this weight back. Thanks for sharing here. Also something you said made me realize that I was about to goof up on my plane today. I have learned that eating small meals rather than large meals work better for me.

I did have my high fiber bread with my breakfast. The rest of the day will be just regular low carb meals and snacks. I make my plans out on MFP because it shows my fiber count when I make the print out. I believe one of the things that causes weight gain and high fbs and other bs readings is eating too much at one time overloading my tummy. I made my lunch plan too high for today. What I have planned to eat isn't bad, it just needs to be spread out over the day, not so much of it in one meal. I would never have realized it if I hadn't read your post Donna. So thanks again.

It is wonderful how we learn from each other. Sometimes I just share what I'm going through so that it might help someone else. I know y'alls sharing sure does help me.

Have a good day!!!

Wannabehealthy
04-08-2014, 05:15 PM
Donna - A while back you posted that you made a muffin in a mug recipe in your waffle iron. I would like to see that recipe if you don't mind sharing it.

My doctor told me that in order to write a script for more strips he would have to document that my glucose was out of control, which at the time, it wasn't. For me, it is just cheaper and easier to use the ones from WalMart.

Trish, if you are happy with your meter and strips, stay with it. I remember before I went for my A1c I predicted it would be a 9 based on the average readings I was having and I was right. It was 9.7. If I get it down to 7 or below I will be happy, and I hope the doctor is too.

I think we will always have to exercise and watch carbs, even if we lose weight and are able to get off the meds. That's just my opinion and I know I could be wrong. I think that's why some people don't like to hear the word "reversed." It's not really reversed, but controlled. I'll take "controlled!!"

Trish, I have a snack size bag of edemame in the refrigerator. For lunch I cooked some baby carrots and brussels sprouts and threw in some edemame for protein. I will just pull the bag out and have a few in between meals. I defrost the amount that would fit in my cupped hand.

Another thing I do for fiber is eat pitted prunes. Usually only 1 a day, sometimes 2. We buy them in Aldi's in a big canister and we both eat them. Very rich in fiber.

Rennie - There is no actual recipe for my butter sauce. I just melted some butter in a small frying pan, added some chopped onion and garlic and simmered it to flavor the butter. Then mixed the butter in with the spaghetti squash strands. I didn't measure anything. Sometimes I would add some frozen mixed vegetables in with it. Whatever I wanted in there. If it made too much I just kept the leftovers for the next day. I was eating this at lunch time. Lunch seems to be the only time I can do my own thing. Supper is usually something that DH will eat, and he won't eat any of my weird foods. LOL

I did very well today so far, so I will post my menu.

Breakfast
Scrambled eggs with mushrooms

Lunch
Wilted Kale and Spinach with sauteed onions and garlic
I still felt hungry after that so I cooked some baby carrots and brussels sprouts and added the edemame to it.

I am satisfied, but not stuffed.

For dinner I am planning on some grilled salmon with asparagus and whatever starch DH wants. If he doesn't want salmon I will cook a hamburger for him. He is feeling a little better, but I don't want to force him to eat something he doesn't want. (like I could!LOL)

Shannon, I think some people prefer to be able to eat what they want and just inject the insulin, so they let themselves believe that it has to be that way. I will be having labs done again at the end of June to see if my A1c went down. He is also checking my lipids, and I'm hoping they are improved, too! It will make this all worthwhile.

lotsakids
04-08-2014, 08:02 PM
Muffin in a mug

The basic recipe is 1/4 cup flax meal, (or 2 TBS Flax and 2 TBS almond flour)1/2 tsp baking powder, pinch of salt, 1 egg, stevia to taste, and either 1 TBS coconut oil, butter or olive oil.

I sub a TBS of nonfat greek yogurt (sometimes 2 TBS) for the oil and pour it into a sprayed, hot waffle iron.

Today I had a cinnamon roll in a mug, which was yum!!

2 TBS almond meal
2 TBS flax meal
1/2 tsp baking powder
1/2-1 tsp cinnamon
1 egg
1 TBS Butter

mix together in a mug or a glass bowl and microwave for 1 minutes 15 secs.

pop it out of the mug and spread with sweetened (I use stevia or xylitol) cream cheese.

The basic recipe can be made savory with olive oil, garlic, a TBS of parmesian cheese and what ever other spices you like. I make mine in a 4 cup glass measuring cup and cook in the microwave for 1-2 minutes . Pop it out and slice it in the middle, it makes a nice bun for a breakfast sandwich or a burger. I just do whatever goes with what I'm eating it with. Sometimes I leave it plain and just toast it in the toaster oven and eat it with butter.


For pasta dishes, I sub sliced cabbage or zuchinni, not crazy about the texture of spaghetti squash the cabbage and zuchinni have a more neutral flavor..

love2b150
04-08-2014, 08:14 PM
Carol Sue thanks for the details for the butter sauce :)

Thanks Donna that's the recipe I have minus the almond meal which I just added. Maybe the cream cheese or the parmesan garlic will give it more flavor. I am sure gonna give them a try :) Thanks ... PS you've made me hungry (in my mind) but I'm full and done eating for the day ;)

Shannonsnail
04-08-2014, 09:18 PM
Donna i have a question for you about coconut oil. Mine stays in the hardened state and it's hard to get out a specific measurement. Any tips?

love2b150
04-08-2014, 09:49 PM
Shannon mine is in the hardened state also (white jar), I scoop it out with a tablespoon measurer and heat. It's usually just the right amount. :) I saw in the Walmart in Morrisville the liquid coconut oil. I think I'm gonna go back to get it. It wasn't there when I got the one in the jar :(. Also have you seen the GG's Scandinavian crisp bread any where? Have you had it before?

Shannonsnail
04-09-2014, 01:53 AM
Shannon mine is in the hardened state also (white jar), I scoop it out with a tablespoon measurer and heat. It's usually just the right amount. :) I saw in the Walmart in Morrisville the liquid coconut oil. I think I'm gonna go back to get it. It wasn't there when I got the one in the jar :(. Also have you seen the GG's Scandinavian crisp bread any where? Have you had it before?

I have not heard of that before....no clue! I tried the cinnamon bun muffin in mug tonight and it was okay. I think I need to melt my butter before I add it. I just put it on top so most of the muffin was dry but the center was moister, I guess it didn't spread throughout. Also will add the full amount of cinnamon next time. Definitely will try it again. Donna let us know if you come up with any other variations! I'm not very adventurous with coming up with stuff on my own but I can follow a recipe like nobody's business, lol!

I did not eat enough today so late tonight I got snacky and grabbed a handful of yogurt covered raisins. Not the worst thing I've ever done but I need to work on daytime meals better, making sure I'm eating enough. I don't track calories or anything else...it's a major binge trigger for me.....maybe when I've lost half my goal or something I can try but definitely not opening that can of worms yet!

Wannabehealthy
04-09-2014, 08:21 AM
Thanks for the recipe Donna. I saved it for when I am ready to add carbs back into my food plan.

I am down another 2 lbs this morning. The second lb is rather shaky, so I hope it stays off. Happy Happy Joy Joy! I am actually losing weight instead of losing and gaining those same 2 lbs. That makes 8 altogether.

I had a feeling that I was going to be down some. The beans I ate yesterday did their job! (sorry TMI)

Last night I wanted something. I wasn't craving anything in particular, but it wasn't actually hunger. So I ate some olives with whipped cream cheese. High fat, but low carb. It got me through til bedtime, but I wish I had stood strong and not eaten since I was not hungry. After I ate my salmon and asparagus for dinner I was still hungry so I made a veggie salad. That all should have kept me til bedtime. I also didn't walk after dinner, so that would have kept my cravings at bay. I still showed a loss, so no harm, no foul. I will try to learn from this.

DH stayed up most of the evening, watching TV, but had some pain during the night. I can definately hear the congestion breaking up. When he is sick I am not allowed to tell any of his family. They are so quick to come to him when they need help with something but he will never ask for help and they are never around for him. They always assume he can do it and doesn't need help, like he is invincible. His brother called yesterday and wants to come over to work on his truck in our garage. This also means he wants DH to help him. He would not tell him No, I don't feel good. So they will be in the garage, laying on the floor under the truck, etc. He can't just let him use the garage and tools. He has to get involved. At least it's supposed to be a warmer day today.

Shannonsnail
04-09-2014, 09:32 AM
I have bible study this morning so I'm rushing to get us fed and clothed but just wanted to check in. I was trying to avoid weighing til my next official weigh day since TOM is here but I sneaked a peek and I'm still going down, yay!! Unfortunately BG was 130 this morning. That is kind of high for me. :-(

Wannabehealthy
04-09-2014, 10:09 AM
That's what mine was this morning too, Shannon, but I was running in the 200's a month ago so mine is a great improvement. I think mine is because I didn't exercise yesterday.

I made a new rule regarding my glimiperide. I will only take it if my FBG is over 130. That's what I did yesterday and I didn't have any spikes. I did take it with dinner though. I don't want to be on this med long term because it damages your beta cells. I know I can get a good A1c without it.

Wannabehealthy
04-09-2014, 12:13 PM
I just had a late breakfast. I didn't have any mushrooms to put in my eggs and I didn't want them plain. I took some black beans, added some frozen chopped spinach, and some frozen broccoli that I chopped really small. I put all that in a warm skillet to defrost them, then poured the eggs over it all and scrambled it up. With all the little green bits, it looked rather disgusting! LOL But it was soooooo delicious! I think I'm going to do this again tomorrow! I could actually make another plate of this, but I won't.

love2b150
04-09-2014, 12:24 PM
Carol Sue, nice weigh in, glad everything is coming together :)

Shannon the sneak peeks help us stay OP and motivated. I should probably start doing it again also during the day while I can. I use to weigh myself whenever I was about to eat something not good for me and it would deter me if I saw a good number. I'm glad the scale numbers are going in the right direction for you :)

I'm up .6 this morning feeling really really bloated :( but my fbs came back down as it usually does when the scale is up. It was 118 this morning so hopefully the 120's to 130's are gone :crossed: Until my birthday when I have my Food Lion cake :) and ice cream. I love their cakes. The are the only ones that still use icing and not that butter creme stuff, yuck :)

Shannonsnail
04-09-2014, 01:57 PM
Carol Sue, nice weigh in, glad everything is coming together :)

Shannon the sneak peeks help us stay OP and motivated. I should probably start doing it again also during the day while I can. I use to weigh myself whenever I was about to eat something not good for me and it would deter me if I saw a good number. I'm glad the scale numbers are going in the right direction for you :)

I'm up .6 this morning feeling really really bloated :( but my fbs came back down as it usually does when the scale is up. It was 118 this morning so hopefully the 120's to 130's are gone :crossed: Until my birthday when I have my Food Lion cake :) and ice cream. I love their cakes. The are the only ones that still use icing and not that butter creme stuff, yuck :)
I like real frosting and not the stuff that is like whipped cream! Your post reminded me I have anniversary, mother's day and my birthday all in May.....oy!

lotsakids
04-09-2014, 06:16 PM
I scoop out my coconut oil and melt it in the micro wave. I use a lot of coconut oil! I found a huge container of it at my local Amish store.

Carbs are pretty low (figuring in fiber) for the flax meal - on my eating plan they are recommended for the higher fat meals. I eat carb meals like sweet potato separate from high fat meals. It lets my body work on burning one fuel at a time.

love2b150
04-09-2014, 07:17 PM
Wow, Shannon and you like to cook. Hopefully they are not all in the same weeks. So one cheat meal a week may not be bad, idk.

I had a bad day today after careful planning, smh. I got to see my stats from Dec to now from a friend on another thread so that made me smile. I have come a long way so I will get back on the wagon tomorrow and get as close as I can to my birthday goal :)

pattygirl63
04-09-2014, 10:40 PM
Haven't been on pc much today. Did laundry and went to Bible study tonight and that is about it. I'm doing better just counting calories and watching my fiber. I finally have that straightened out again. I decided that if I don't do Atkins that I can use beans sometimes for my fiber instead of or along with veggies, but I can cut back on some of the veggies especially raw ones as they are hard on my tummy if I eat too many of them. And to quote Carol Sue the beams have worked very well today. My calories for today is 1192 and the fiber was 30 g which when subtracted from the carbs comes to net carbs of 42 g. So that is good as far as I'm concerned.

I will be back tomorrow and do indies.

Good night.

love2b150
04-09-2014, 11:18 PM
Trish glad to see you :) I'm gonna try to add beans back in but the refried way like Shannon told me. I figure I'll cook, divide and freeze them since my husband will probably not want them in the refried state :D. I really need to get in more fiber.

I had a plan today and totally blew it. My numbers are just ridiculous across the board but tomorrow is a new day and my 3FC friends have gave me great pep talks and helped me pick myself and my sadness back up. So hoping tomorrow will be a much much better day :)

Shannonsnail
04-09-2014, 11:56 PM
Rennie hope you have a better day tomorrow! Try not to get too down, this too shall pass. In addition to the anniversary, Mother's day and birthday in May we will be going on a week's vacation the last week of the month. I feel sick....lol! I might actually have real cake on my bday :-) the week of vacation I should have a kitchen to work with, thank God, but we usually eat out alot too.

Carol Sue I am impressed that you've brought your FBS down so far! You have really accomplished alot. You should be, as my 3 year old would say, super proud!

Today breakfast was a boil in bag cheese omelet with strawberries. Lunch was a homemade taco salad (no shell). I made these poppers subbing cream cheese instead of goat for a snack in the afternoon http://popularpaleo.com/2013/03/19/sweet-pepper-poppers/

Then tonight I had dinner out with a friend at Chili's. I watched her eat the chips and salsa and wasn't interested in them....amazing! I got a guacamole burger and removed the bun. There were finely chopped jalapenos in the guac so I had to pick all those out....cannot do jalapenos! The only sub for the fries that was LC was broccoli and I just could not see that as an appropriate side for a burger! LOL! So, I got the sweet potato fries for 50 cent extra and ate less than half and added on a side of grilled shrimp. Just checked my BS and it's 106 so I am refraining from a snack. Hoping to see a lower number tomorrow.

Question? - how long after waking should I be checking my FBS? I am usually up a while before checking because of attending to my daughter. I am wondering if it is rising alot in that period of time.

Wannabehealthy
04-10-2014, 06:47 AM
Checking FBS varies by personal opinion. Some say check the minute you get up. The thing I don't like is sometimes I check upon waking, don't eat, and a hour later it's up even higher. Others say to eat something, however small, immediately upon rising to stop your blood sugar from going higher. (Saying to myself, but eating is going to make it go higher, too!) So my final answer is "I don't know." LOL

I have been checking fasting, and 3-4 hrs after eating. That would show me how far my bs went down after a meal, but I also need to check 2 hours after a meal to see just how far the meal has spiked my bs. It really shouldn't be that high because I'm not eating carbs. I have heard that protein will eventually turn to glucose too, so it should be limited. Fat is supposed to slow the spike. I am suffering from information overload and all this testing is getting on my nerves.

Yesterday in the store I found that Pancake/Waffle mix. They had a separate section for glute-free items. I noticed they had regular and sugar free and the sugar free was the low carb one. I didn't buy it, because I'm not ready for that. But at least I know where to find it when I want it.

This store has a very big section for The Red Mill's stuff. The only thing I ever bought from there is the potato starch. I had read about resistant starch and how it is supposed to lower blood sugar. Put it in water and mix it up. It doesn't have much taste but it made me very burpy. Now I just use it as a thickener in stuff like chili and spaghetti sauce. I only drank it a couple days so I didn't give it a chance to see if it helped blood sugar. When I think of it I put the vinegar and lemon juice in my water bottle.

Shannonsnail
04-10-2014, 10:38 AM
113 this morning, that is better. Last night it occured to me that I might have a rise from items I hadn't thought about. I often need 2 tums before bed and every night I take two melatonin gummies to help me fall asleep. Both have carbs (and no fat/protein). I will switch to regular pills for melatonin after this bottle (I'm hoping my chronic sleep issue will resolve with lowering carbs, the only caffeine I drink is in the morning, about a half cup coffee) and maybe there is a sugar free variety of tums I can get...?

pattygirl63
04-10-2014, 05:02 PM
Another article I thought would be encouraging. Some of these don't apply to us, because we don't use a pump or take insulin; however, I thought all of them are encouraging. They are people sharing how their diet and exercise has helped them successful get bs reading down successfully. I think I realize that it really doesn't matter what diet you choose, but consistence with the diet you choose along with regular exercise will work.

17 Things People with A1Cs Under 7.0 Do

By Ginger Vieira from Diabetes Daily Newsletter

Whether you live with type 1 or type 2 diabetes, figuring out what changes we need to make in order to achieve our A1C goals can be overwhelming and confusing. To help inspire and educate, we asked our Facebook audience what they believe has helped them achieve A1Cs under 7.0 percent.

Read all of the replies in this Facebook Post by Diabetes Daily.
17 Things People with A1Cs Under 7.0 Do:

1. Melissa Baland Lee: I spent 18 years at or above 10%. The last 6 years, Iíve been below 7%. My tips are (1) learn how to time your meds/insulin to stop the one hour post prandial spike (itís the highest number you hit in a day), (2) never treat without knowing an actual BG value, (3) leave meters out where you will see them and check often, (4) control your numbers overnight Ė if youíre flat while you sleep, thatís half your daily average.

2. Henry P. Botello: My A1C was near 11 three years ago. I was on two meds, total of 120 pills/mo. I began to workout and and eat healthy. Unltimately lost 50 lbs and totally off all meds. Last A1C was 5.3. I am now a Triathlete and Iím 52 years old. I was type II for nearly 20 years.

3. Alison E Peters: T1D 14 years, my A1C used to be abismal, now itís usually between 5.5 and 6. I eat plant based, but still lower carb (it is possible). I exercise 4 days or more a week. I test 5-10 times a day.

4. Kelly Harp: My daughterís a1c has been 5.1-6.1 for the last 2 years. I credit that to pumping and cgm.

5. Robbie Kizer: My son has had type 1 since 2010. He was 8 yrs old at the time and his a1c was 11.5 at dx. Since then, his a1c hasnít been above the mid 6 range. Itís a lot of work but the long term benefits are worth it to our family.He wears the Omnipod pump (started pumping 7 months after dx) as well as the Dexcom CGM (started using dex a little over a year after dx). Consistent and accurate carb counting, consistent prebolusing before meals, taking action when dex or meter reading shows him going up or down, along with an extremely positive attitude all play a huge role in his management success up to this point. He is in puberty and we have still maintained low a1cs. It can be done.

6. Shanna Wolf Heart Powell: Drum roll, please! Like I said before if you believe it you can achieve it!

7. I just got back from the doctor andÖMy name is Shanna Wolf Heart Powell, and I am a Recovering Diabetic! Yes! No more meds! Diet and exercise only! Take that diabetes! A1C now 5.4!

8. Sharone Herring: I was diagnose with type 2 in Oct 2013 and my A1C was 11% at the time. I changed my eating habits and add exercise about 3 times a week. When I went back to my appointment in Jan 2014 my A1C was down to 6.5%. Today, I no longer take insulin. I still take pills but, I would like to stop taking the pills!

9. Linda Michelle Mincey: Mine was 11.6 at diagnosis and I started following the diabetic diet with portions and eating less fried foods and more veggies and fruits and started walking 30 minutes a day at least 5 times a week. In 3 months I brought A1C down to 5.3. The dr was pleased and took me off morning med and said he thinks if next A1C is as low that I can come off night medicine too! My goal is to be healthy and medicine free. I truly feel that it is about being aware of food intake and exercise to control your own health.

10. Rick Wigington: I went from 6.9 to 5.1 in three months and stayed at 5.1 the next three months. Lost 20 pounds, cut out sweets and cut down on portions. Cinnamon, turmeric, magnesium, chromium picolinate, apple cider vinegar and lots of exercise.

11. Jolesa Ferrand: My highest a1c was 14 & that was just a few years ago when I was put on insulin. I use to weigh almost 600 pounds. I had lost 200 pounds on my own with diet & exercise. My a1c was still high 9 -8. Thats when the doctor started having me carb count. Also had to increase my insulin to two types, Levemir & Novolog. After a lot of hard work I am at a a1c of 6. I have also lost 70 more pounds. With the right diet & exercise plan for you it can be possible to lower your a1c & lose weight. I thought I would never see my weight where it is now nor my a1c. I am so proud of myself!

12. Sudhir Gupta: My A1C was 5.8 and am diabetic since 1987. I am thrilled. I take good care of myself, enjoy life, love chocolates but never exceed my calories. Being happy is most important. The saying fits perfectly, you smile everyone smiles with you , you cry you cry alone. Que sera sera, whatever will be will be so why worry about it now. When eulogies are being read, the priest never fails to mention that whoever comes to the world goes to the good Lord one day. So enjoy the life as long as you live. Take your medicines, eat small meals every two hours, exercise and drink lot of water.

13. John E Wallace: Type 2. Went low carb, no grains, processed foods or diet drinks 2 years ago. A1C dropped from 11.5 to below 7 for last year. Exercise helps. Not bad for 20 years with diabetes.

14. Dwayne Robinson: 5.9 percent, type 2, 5th year past diagnosis. (My diagnosis level was 566 or a 14.8 a1c.) Diet and exercise. Check your glucose before you eat and adjust what and how much you eat accordingly. My self-imposed guideline is if my BG is 80-110, I eat a full meal. 110-120, I eat a half meal. Above 120, I eat a quarter meal. Physical activity BEYOND your occupation. Your body is used to the labor of doing your job, so go a step beyond. Walking jogging gym work. If you canít do these, grab some canned food, throw them in a Wal-Mart bag and use them as weights. I find a 30 min workout with resistance bands to be quite a challenge and often my glucose drops 10-30 points afterwards. I wish ALL of you the great results Iíve seen.

15. Jolinda Dirks: For the last year my A1C has been between 6.7-6.9! I couldnít believe how easy it was and how fast my number dropped and has stayed under. In 2011 I got married and my husband and I decided to do a major health change. We both started TapouT XT. We were hoping that the weight loss would help us look and feel better. And although I only lost 10 pounds I started noticing my activity has increased and my sugars were so much better. I have been able to keep the weight off and the counts normal. I have enough stress in my life, itís nice that diabetes isnít part of that stress any more!

16. Chantal Dyment: Fruit & veggie with every meal. No white breads. Whole grains, measure measure measure! Exercise!

17. Lynn Spaulding Bradley: In January 2013 my A1C was 9.4. I was put on 10 units of Levemir once a day. In January 2014 I had my A1C down to 6.1 getting my Levemir reduced to 5 units. With all my eating habits being changed and walking 4 to 5 times a week I have also lost 52 lbs.

pattygirl63
04-10-2014, 05:12 PM
Question? - how long after waking should I be checking my FBS? I am usually up a while before checking because of attending to my daughter. I am wondering if it is rising alot in that period of time.

I asked my doctor that question at one of my recent visits because I've heard people say you needed to check as soon as you get up. He said it didn't have to be as soon as you get up. The main thing is to do it before you eat or drink food breaking your fast. I usually get up, dress and put coffee on and a few other kitchen chores before I check mine. It has never made that big a difference in my reading.

Wannabehealthy
04-11-2014, 12:10 AM
We were just getting ready for bed and my husband noticed a rash on his side where his pain is. He has shingles. I had them and they are extremely painful. Probably the worst pain I've ever had and it takes a while to get rid of them. I am relieved. He's still upset because of the pain. I feel bad for him, but am so relieved it's not something more serious. I will be calling the doctor in the morning for meds.

When I was at the doctor a little over a week ago, he was talking to a woman in the waiting room that said she had such terrible pain and didn't know what it was. Now, I think she was starting to get shingles. They say you can't get them unless you are exposed to the active blisters, but he was not exposed to hers. She might not even have had the blisters yet. But I think that's how he got them.

Wannabehealthy
04-11-2014, 12:26 AM
Here's an interesting recipe I found online. Not sure I would want all that stuff on top....but it's low carb and gluten free.

http://peaceloveandlowcarb.com/2013/11/taco-egg-muffins-low-carb-gluten-free.html

Shannonsnail
04-11-2014, 10:47 AM
Carol Sue ugh! That must be painful! So glad it isn't worse!

Rennie are you out there?! LOL!

:carrot::carrot::carrot:
My scale says 198.8 this morning!! I have to wait til Monday though to see if it's "real", lol (yes, I know how ludicrous that sounds!). But, I'm excited on the inside! My FBG was 119. Before bed it was 113. It's the weekend which is usually more off plan. Tonight DH is going to an event at church. I was thinking of taking the munchkin out but I might attempt wheat free pizza at home instead since I have plenty of toppings on hand. Oh!! Forgot to tell ya'll, I made cauliflower mash last night (that was on my low carb cooking bucket list) and it was edible! The entire bowl was eaten, mostly by my super skeptical husband. "Rice" is up next! Speaking of the DH, he weighed this morning when I did -419. I hope he joins me soon. I'm still buying junk for him (if I don't he just goes out himself and buys even more than I do....ice cream is on sale, let's get 5 cartons!). I used to eat all that mess, can't believe what a change I'm experiencing. I keep hoping he will see how well I am doing and join me. I was overweight when I met him but only by like 20 lbs. i've gained 60 lbs on top of that since we married almost 7 yrs ago. I'm so ready to get rid of this weight that has made me so physically uncomfortable, unable to find clothes I like in my size, wearing the same ugly bathing suit at the pool/beach with my daughter for 4 years! LOL! Even with just this first 10 lbs, my body is changing. My belly is not nearly as puffy. I may end up with alot of loose skin in the belly, it is totally deflating. But, if it keeps me from losing a leg later then AMEN to loose skin!

Wannabehealthy
04-11-2014, 12:41 PM
DH got an anti-viral and pain meds filled, so hopefully he will start to feel better. I wonder if his is really that much worse than mine was or if he's just a bigger baby about it? LOL

You are doing great, Shannon! I hope when your husband sees your improvements he will join you. Men aren't as vein about weight as we are, even though it's just as unhealthy for them. But once they make up their mind to lose, the lose much faster than we do. It's good that he liked the mashed cauliflower. Because you are young you might not get much loose skin. Your skin still has it's elasticity.

I want to try the cauliflower rice. I wonder if I can make it with frozen cauliflower. I will only make a small portion to see if I like it. DH won't eat it. I'm lucky he eats any veggies at all.

Yesterday, I had carbs. I couldn't think of what to make for dinner and DH didn't feel good. I had a box of Tuna Helper so I made that and added a lot of vegetables with it. I ate a normal portion....didn't go back and finish all the leftovers the way I would have in the past. Actually, even with all the veggies, it made me feel a little sick...bloated and uncomfortable. By bedtime my rings were tight. I don't see myself doing that again any time soon. Yukky feeling. This morning my FBG was 142. I didn't get to eat breakfast because we were leaving for the doctors. When we got home around 10:30 my glucose had gone up into the 160's. That's without eating anything, just some black coffee. I heard somewhere that if you go too long without eating and you get too hungry, your body thinks your starving and dumps glucose. So now I'm taking my glimiperide twice a day again, the way the doctor told me to.

Trish - Item number 2 spoke to me loud and clear. We CAN lose weight and lower our blood sugar and get off the meds.

love2b150
04-11-2014, 12:52 PM
Shannon I'm here. I've just been reading :) doing good new low today 161.8 down .4. FBS was at 121 so up from yesterday. Checked my husband's and told him he should see a doctor because he is pre diabetic but he says he's fine (of course). I hope your husband will see your accomplishments and follow suit :hug: I'm sure trying to get my family on point. I will start my beans shortly thanks again for the recipe :)

Shannonsnail
04-11-2014, 01:57 PM
Shannon I'm here. I've just been reading :) doing good new low today 161.8 down .4. FBS was at 121 so up from yesterday. Checked my husband's and told him he should see a doctor because he is pre diabetic but he says he's fine (of course). I hope your husband will see your accomplishments and follow suit :hug: I'm sure trying to get my family on point. I will start my beans shortly thanks again for the recipe :)

Here is a sauce you might like with your mexican dishes, I have been eating it on my taco salads and as a dip for raw veggies. I got it from The Pioneer Woman.
1/4 cup each mayo, sour cream and salsa mixed together

lotsakids
04-11-2014, 04:32 PM
Wannabehealthy! That recipe looks so yummy!! We have an Easter breakfast at church and I think this is what I'm going to make. Thanks for sharing.

love2b150
04-11-2014, 11:03 PM
Trish I check as soon as I use the bathroom, wash my hands and before I brush my teeth. It I don't I'll forget. :)

Carol Sue hope your husband is better soon :hug:

Donna :wave:

pattygirl63
04-12-2014, 12:02 AM
Carol Sue Shingles are very painful, but so glad it wasn't something worse. I had them a few yrs back up and down my right arm. I thought I would never get over it, but compared to how long it lasts for some, it really wasn't all that long. Hope I never have them again. Hope he recovers soon.

Shannon :cp: YAY :cp: for reaching the goal of getting to 200 and sliding past it to 198.8. I knew you were young enough to make it happen. I'm proud of you.

Rennie I usually check mine within about an hour after getting up most days.

I've had a fairly carby day but got my fiber in. So I think I'm good.

Y'all have a great weekend.

Shannonsnail
04-12-2014, 01:41 AM
Carol Sue
DH got an anti-viral and pain meds filled, so hopefully he will start to feel better. I wonder if his is really that much worse than mine was or if he's just a bigger baby about it? LOL

My husband is way worse with everything than I am!

You are doing great, Shannon! I hope when your husband sees your improvements he will join you. Men aren't as vein about weight as we are, even though it's just as unhealthy for them. But once they make up their mind to lose, the lose much faster than we do. It's good that he liked the mashed cauliflower. Because you are young you might not get much loose skin. Your skin still has it's elasticity.

I want to try the cauliflower rice. I wonder if I can make it with frozen cauliflower. I will only make a small portion to see if I like it. DH won't eat it. I'm lucky he eats any veggies at all.

Thank you! He commented tonight that I inspired him. Maybe he will come around at some point. When we married he had lost ~75 lbs on a low carb diet while we were friends/dating. He was about 300 lbs then. He needed to lose more but instead he stopped eating low carb and has gained 119 lbs in the past 7 yrs. i am not sure I would call 40 "young" but maybe you are right and there is some remnant of elasticity left in me, lol! I am not sure the rice can be done from frozen since you have to grate it like cheese, but maybe?

Shannonsnail
04-12-2014, 01:44 AM
Shannon :cp: YAY :cp: for reaching the goal of getting to 200 and sliding past it to 198.8. I knew you were young enough to make it happen. I'm proud of you.

Thank you! I'm really shocked it is going so well....keep wondering when it will all fall apart but until then, I'll keep on keepin' on

Wannabehealthy
04-12-2014, 11:21 AM
Shannon, when you're 68, 40 looks really, really young! LOL YOU are not going to let it fall apart, and we are not going to let you. We are your cheering section.

I made cauliflower rice yesterday with frozen cauliflower. It was wonderful, and I can't wait to try it again. I put the frozen flowerettes into a strainer and ran some water over them to defrost. They were defrosted somewhat, but not soft like they are after you cook them. I pulsed them in a small food processor. Then I did the same thing with some frozen mixed vegetables, the ones with corn, peas, carrots, green beans etc, ran the water over them to defrost, but didn't pulse them. left them whole. In a small frying pan I melted some butter over low heat. I put the cauliflower rice and mixed vegetables in there and cooked them a little over a low heat until they were heated up. I added salt and pepper and ate it. I just made 1 serving. It looked like vegetables and rice, which I sometimes make for a quick side dish. I loved it. The texture of the cauliflower was the same as rice and since rice doesn't have a real strong flavor by itself and the "rice" and veggies were still a little crunchy I felt as if I was eating rice and veggies. I was thinking that you could do this using a small amount of chicken broth instead of the melted butter if you wanted to keep the fat content down. You could add different veggies according to your taste, like kale or spinach. You could use different seasonings, You could add some stir fried chicken breast to make it more of a main dish. Or you could just add some salt and pepper and use it like rice with a chinese dish like Sweet and Sour Pork or Chicken. I actually think I could fool even my husband with this, if only he didn't like to hang out in the kitchen and watch me cook. If one unusual ingredient goes into my cooking, he's finished. LOL

It's more costly than rice, a box of rice makes a lot of servings because it swells up, the cauliflower does not. But to me it's worth it to be able to eat something I really like.

As far as pulsing the vegetables, I think that would be a good way to get young kids to eat vegetables they wouldn't otherwise try. Put them in a food processor and then you can add them to other dishes to disguise them.

My bs was 123 this morning. Very good, for me. But I slept in until 9 AM, so I checked it much later than usual. I slept very soundly and longer than usual, so that might have had something to do with the lower FBG. I am normally not a good sleeper unless I take something. I did it last night without meds. I am not hungry yet, so I probably won't eat until lunch time.

Weight has stayed at 194. No ups or downs. Blood pressure is improving, so all in all I'm doing what I set out to do, slowly.

Trish, Good for getting that fiber in! It makes a difference.

Donna - If you make the muffins, let me know how they turned out.

Rennie - Good for you on the weight loss! I am amazed at how your blood sugar goes up when your weight comes down. It will even out in the end.

Hi Ruthie. Mad we miss you! Guess you must be busy.

Ruthxxx
04-12-2014, 11:37 AM
Really am busy! We have had a flood in the lower part of our wee Village and I've been helping out by feeding the first responders coffee and soup.

We have had more snow this year than I can remember and then the coldest March since 1940. This meant when all the snow started to melt, the lakes are still frozen and the Upper Lake decided to make it's own creek to get to the Lower Lake! Lots of excitement and people leaving their flooded homes. Luckily everyone has relatives nearby so we did not have to set up emergency shelters as we did after the Ice Storm of 1998 when all Eastern Ontario lost power.

Despite it all I have stuck to low carb and am just on the cusp of getting into the 180s. Needless to say, I've not gone to the gym.

pattygirl63
04-12-2014, 05:25 PM
Hey girls you are doing great. So proud of everyone.

Ruthie So sorry about the flooding. Looks there is going be to be more snow this next week in some of the upper states, sure hope you get a break. DS said the other day, "Well, it's always cold again before Easter". You are a busy and sweet lady. Good job with staying OP through it all.

I got my free stuff from Atkins the other day. I ate the chocolate bar and it is good. I also like the texture. I'm leaving MFP. I'll be tracking by hand using the carb counter they sent me. I've decided not to worry too much about the fiber except for high fiber low carb veggies. In trying to get the fiber up, my carbs have been too high the last few days and my fbs has slowly been edging up. It was 135 this morning. If I have to eat just meat and veggies to keep the bs down, I'll do it. I'll just pick out my favorite meats and favorite veggies and make my meals that way. Now that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Atkins lowers my fbs and other bs readings, I refuse to lose ground. I've always prayed for the Lord to show me the way to lose weight in a way that I could be healthy while doing it. Since Atkins is obviously that way for me, I need to "just do it". :)

I read something quite interesting on Atkins site today by one of the ladies who worked with Dr. Atkins and has been in on writing all the Atkins books with him and the new Atkins books as well. She explains why she agrees with the new way of Atkins with the veggies that Dr. Atkins didn't.

She said Dr. Atkins and another doctor observed the diets of certain Indians and the Eskimos who didn't eat carbs. However, she said she felt that we need the fiber that we get in our vegetables because we don't have the pure foods without toxins like the Indians and Eskimos had. How many of us can buy free-range animals etc. I paraphrase. You can read it on the website if you want to look it up to read more about it.

I just ordered the new Atkins Made Easy book as it has a better guide on what to eat for each phase according to the reviews I read. The reviews I read on Amazon said that it makes it easier to explain to people how this is really a healthy way of eating. Actually the new Atkins is just eating high protein, high fiber low carb veggies, good healthy fats, seeds and nuts and in Phase 2 you can add low carb fruits. Eventually as you build up your carbs to the amount your body tolerates, you can eat some grains. Some can and some cannot eat them on a regular basis. However, either way there is nothing unhealthy about that. I can live with that.

Carol Sue I wasn't impressed with the faux potato salad with the cauliflower, but I will try the "rice". I like the way you fixed it and will copy follow how you did it.

I also got some cream cheese today to make the lc muffin I think Donna or Shannon told us about. The one we used to make was with just flaxseed meal. I made one for a hamburger yesterday and just couldn't do it. I used my double fiber bread and saved the muffin for an egg McMuffin type breakfast this morning. The almond flour will make it so much better and it is Atkins friendly.

Rennie, Donna, Shannon and others :wave: Hi

Mad Hope you are doing well. Probably staying busy. Miss you.

I'm editing this to say that after looking at the Atkins carb counter, I don't guess I am nor have I ever really been on Induction because I used some foods low carb foods during Induction that either isn't allowed until Phase 2 or 3. Since the foods I was using didn't keep me from losing weight or didn't keep my fbs from going down into normal range, I will continue eating them while counting carbs and just consider myself eating low carb in general. Not Atkins low carb.

Have a good evening.

Shannonsnail
04-12-2014, 11:03 PM
Oh my! I just had a VERY off plan dinner because we were out for many hours unexpectedly today, it way past dinner and the hubby wanted to pick up Chinese! I knew even if I got some kind of non breaded chicken and veggies the sauce would be full of carbs and I probably wouldn't like it anyway so I just decided to blow it up completely and eat what I like, spring rolls and crab rangoon, lol! Super carbs! LOL! I'm almost afraid to check my BS before bed. But, I'm continuing to practice giving myself grace. I think that was the only way off plan meal I've had in over a week. That is really great for me and I have been steadily losing (198 this morning) so honestly I'm not upset with myself. Most everyone has a totally off plan meal once in a while. Tomorrow I will drink lots of water and be back on plan. I just bought a ton of new produce, including two heads of cauliflower! I think I will plan meals for the week before bed.

I also got a very nice gift today...a Vitamix. I've been wanting one for a while but because of the ridiculous price, never said anything to my husband or even thought I'd ever have one. My husband was laid off in February but fortunately found a new position and started it within a month. A blessing of the layoff was a nice severance package after 14 years with the company. So, today we were at a club store and there was a Vitamix rep with a traveling road show doing demonstrations. I got up my nerve to tell my husband that I had been wanting one. So after watching several demonstrations and asking questions he agreed to get it for me as my anniversary, mother's day and birthday gift (and probably Christmas, lol). I'm excited to get going with it. I did a Pinterest search and there are lots of recipes from low carb bloggers using it so hopefully it will be a valuable asset to my new way of eating.

Wannabehealthy
04-13-2014, 09:40 AM
Shannon, I wouldn't worry too much about one off-plan meal. Remember, you are pre-diabetic, not necessarily diabetic. I know it's serious too, but you are doing very well and tackling this before it gets out of hand. I will have to google Vitamix, because I don't know what it is.

Ruthie - How terrible that you are having all that flooding! Good for you for pitching in and helping out. I hope things dry up soon.

Trish, I think you're doing well with what you're doing even if you are eating some things that aren't on induction. The results are good, and that's what it's all about.

The one good thing about DH being sick is he is not eating much, so I am eating when and what I want. I usually eat what I want, but very often I eat when he wants to when I could really wait awhile to eat. Last night before bed my BS was 104. I was shocked! This morning it is 126, but my fasting is always higher. These numbers are so much lower than I was having before. I remember when I was having good A1cs I still had a fasting bg in the 120's. My doctor didn't care, as long as my A1c was good. I am still not eating obvious carbs. I haven't been tracking on FitDay so I don't know what my actual carbs are, but they were running around 30-35 per day. I think if I decide to go lower I could now that I'm used to not having carbs. This morning, I'm thinking I would like to have eggs with toast. I have some of my high fiber bread in the freezer, but when I think about it, I'm afraid I will start craving bread again, so maybe I'll pass. I don't have to give in to every little craving. I'm getting stronger. I am still using a sprinkling of black beans in eggs and salads. By a sprinkling I think it's about 20-30 beans. And I eat a prune or two every day. I have at least 1 bowel movement each day but not the 4-5 I used to have. I can accept that. I just can't take constipation.

(Edit: I am going to have to rethink the prunes. They are higher in carbs than I thought, and less fiber than I thought. 1/4 C is 24 gm of carb and only 3 gm fiber. I don't eat that much per day, but even at half that, the fiber is too low for the amount of carbs. )

I don't think I would even try the faux potato salad. I don't make potato salad except on holidays so it's not a big deal. DH would never eat it. I would probably like the mashed cauliflower but DH would not so I won't bother with that either. I liked the rice enough to make it just for myself. It was so good I actually felt like I was cheating. LOL

My scale is still at 194 but it's a balance beam scale and it seems to be leaning slightly lower so I think I can expect another pound loss in the next couple days. I am a usually a slow loser. I will go along with no loss and then get a whoosh. I can live with slow as long as it's going down and not up.

Wannabehealthy
04-13-2014, 10:12 AM
When I googled Vitamix I also found recipes. I looked at the first one and fell in love.

http://healthylivinghowto.com/1/post/2011/08/real-food-vs-fake-food.html

This looks so absolutely divine! I wonder if I could make it on a smaller scale. I have to have this. You don't really need to have a Vitamix to make it.

I think cauliflower is my new best friend. I am going to have lots of fun with it!

kris2008
04-13-2014, 11:14 AM
You all are a great group! I decided to get on here to see if there was any info about when to test in the morning and here's all this info!

Diagnosed 4 weeks ago, just started testing fbg about 2 weeks ago. Was getting great numbers with the strips I had received from the doctor. Then discovered strips had expired. Ordered more and my fbg really hasn't come down as much as I thought! That's not good. I have been eating low carb for about 4 weeks. But I was eating too much, too stuffed especially in the evening. I think that was my major mistake - need to lose the weight and need to eat amount I need, not amount I want.

My morning fbg is 121-128. Then I exercise and it goes down 10-15 points. I want to see if exercising in the evening helps my fbg! Anyone noticed if this helps them?

So for me, I plan to exercise twice a day, stick to low carb and portion controls at meals, and lose the weight. I'm so excited I am down in the 150's today! Haven't seen that in 20 years! ALL my extra weight is around my middle. So I have high hopes that getting rid of the fat around the middle will be great for my sugar levels.

Thanks for helping out a lurker!

pattygirl63
04-13-2014, 02:22 PM
Kris2008 WELCOME!!! Glad you are getting some info here. We all just share our experiences good and bad which helps me because it helps to know I'm not the only one who has some of these problems. Hopefully this helps all of us improve our journey. I'm sure the exercise helps my fbs readings, but can't say. The 1st time I had diabetic problems, I could lower my fbs with exercise. It may be because of my age, but now it seems to be diet as well as exercise. I also have learned that overloading my stomach (eating as much as I want instead of just as much as I need) plays a big role in my fbs reading.

Last night I said that my fbs yesterday was 135, but it was 130. Today it was 131. I cut back on the carbs to the point where I only ate about 12 net carbs, but I think the problem was that I had an Atkins bar. For one thing, my body cannot handle the sugar alcohols. So they will NOT be a part of my program even in an emergency.

I decided to keep tracking food on MFP because it does show the calorie, carb and fiber. At the end of the day I can subtract the fiber from the carb count and have my net carbs. I just decided that its been slow, but I have made some progress and I don't want to lose ground. Up almost 2 lbs from a week ago and I want to turn it around for it to continue going down. That won't be a disaster if I don't let it be. Comes down to choice.

Y'all have a super Sunday.

Shannonsnail
04-13-2014, 04:16 PM
You all are a great group! I decided to get on here to see if there was any info about when to test in the morning and here's all this info!

Diagnosed 4 weeks ago, just started testing fbg about 2 weeks ago. Was getting great numbers with the strips I had received from the doctor. Then discovered strips had expired. Ordered more and my fbg really hasn't come down as much as I thought! That's not good. I have been eating low carb for about 4 weeks. But I was eating too much, too stuffed especially in the evening. I think that was my major mistake - need to lose the weight and need to eat amount I need, not amount I want.

My morning fbg is 121-128. Then I exercise and it goes down 10-15 points. I want to see if exercising in the evening helps my fbg! Anyone noticed if this helps them?

So for me, I plan to exercise twice a day, stick to low carb and portion controls at meals, and lose the weight. I'm so excited I am down in the 150's today! Haven't seen that in 20 years! ALL my extra weight is around my middle. So I have high hopes that getting rid of the fat around the middle will be great for my sugar levels.

Thanks for helping out a lurker!

Welcome Kris! I am new as well and this is a great group, we are glad to have you join us! All of my weight is mostly around my middle (and chest, lol) and after only a couple weeks eating mostly low carb my middle is deflating. It is remarkably different. I am flabbergasted. I have read the Wheat Belly book and thought it was an interesting concept but now that I have seen it happen to me, I am a believer - of course I would add that it is not just wheat but sugar as well that is causative (though the author primarily blames wheat). Anyway, all that to say that I hope you also see deflation!!

Shannonsnail
04-13-2014, 04:21 PM
Well, I was right about that off plan meal - my BS was 124 before bed and 126 fasting this morning - that is high for me. I did check my weight this morning - I just could not help myself - and it was only up by .6 so I don't think that off plan meal affected me too badly in the overall. Happily today I am back on program breakfast and lunch so far!

I broke in my new Vitamix today by making guacamole to go on my burger at lunch - we grilled for the first time of the season, yay! It's amazing to me how it's just automatic now to not have a bun with mine, I don't even really miss it. The hubby then took his turn with the Vitamix and made Pink Lemonade shaved ice for our daughter and later a milkshake for himself. I'm looking forward to using it to chop some veggies tomorrow.

We went to church this morning and now I am going to try to go get my hair cut before I need to take my daughter to something tonight. I never did get those meals planned. It was so late last night with being out so much longer than usual and my daughter going to bed later. I didn't get to sleep til almost 2 am :( I am tired today so will be going to bed earlier tonight for sure!

Everyone have a great day!

Wannabehealthy
04-13-2014, 05:40 PM
Welcome Kris! We always love to see new members to our little group. I have been posting on this board for a couple years but just started taking thing seriously and making some headway in the past month or so. I think it's because of the other posters who are having success and I'm thinking if they can do it, I can do it. We like to share our idea, our successes and failures. What works for one doesn't work for all. You have to find your own nitch.

For me, exercise definately helps lower my glucose. I usually exercise while watching my soaps after lunch, and recently I started walking on the treadmill for 15 minutes in the evening, about an hour or so after dinner. That little bit of exercise in the evening packs a big punch for me.

My weight is definately around my middle. My waist is bigger than my hips! I think that goes with having diabetes. I always say I look like Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, but if you're not old enough to remember Alice in Wonderland, you won't know who they were. LOL

This morning my fasting was 122, so I did not take the glimiperide. I had 2 eggs for breakfast and I tried it with one slice of my bread. My two hour post-prandial was 137 (under 140), so I think I'm ok with doing that. However, I am going to reserve that for a once in a while treat, not every day. I don't want 1 slice of toast to lead to 2 slices, and that to lead to french toast, etc. That's the way it usually goes with me. I am content to have my scrambled eggs with veggies most mornings, but it's good to know I can have that piece of toast once in a while without doing too much damage. I have cauliflower rice and veggies for lunch and my post-prandial was 119. So excited to see these numbers. I don't know what I'm going to have for dinner because I'm not hungry yet after lunch.

Trish - I tried to make a larger portion of cauliflower rice with the frozen cauliflower with the intention of making it and keeping it in the fridge for tomorrow. It turned out really wet, and I was afraid it would spoil if I tried to keep it. I put it on a baking sheet on parchment paper and put it in a 200 degree oven for 20 min to try to dry it out, but it didn't really help. So I think I am only going to make a single serving at a time when I want it. I don't usually buy fresh cauliflower because in the past I didn't eat enough of it and it would get black spots on it. If I am going to make a larger portion for a family meal I will probably buy the fresh cauliflower.

I don't track every day, but I think I will start because when I do I have noticed that I'm still eating too much, even though I'm keeping it low carb. My blood sugar and blood pressure are coming down but if I want to lose more weight, too, I will need to watch.

I had quit eating cheese because I eat mostly mozzarella and I was just getting tired of it. Yesterday I bought some provolone and now I like it, in fact, a little too much. I might be better off to just not buy it at all. Why add calories I don't need. Tracking really helps you see where you are going astray.

Shannon, good for you on not having a bun with your hamburger. I am getting used to that too. I just cut up some lettuce, tomato and onion and I'm set. I'm glad to see you are getting good use from your Vitamix and your husband is jumping on the bandwagon.

DH got out of bed for a little while today and sat out on the porch. I guess he will get better slowly. I'm sure he's totally bored. He is not one to sit around, let alone lie in bed.

JLUS
04-13-2014, 09:25 PM
RE CAULIFLOWER RICE -
You can get a fresh cauliflower, grate the entire head and freeze the rice in zip locks in smaller portions. It thaws just fine for later use.

Also, if anyone likes curry... I make a low carb Curried Cauliflower Soup - -

Cook up cauliflower until it is super soft, put it in the blender with a little almond milk, some curry powder, coconut extract, salt, pepper and a touch of Splenda. Blend it up and adjust spices to taste as well as add more almond milk to thin to desired consistency. (I like it fairly thick so it is lush and filling.)

PURE HEAVEN!!!

Wannabehealthy
04-14-2014, 08:02 AM
RE CAULIFLOWER RICE -
You can get a fresh cauliflower, grate the entire head and freeze the rice in zip locks in smaller portions. It thaws just fine for later use.

Also, if anyone likes curry... I make a low carb Curried Cauliflower Soup - -

Cook up cauliflower until it is super soft, put it in the blender with a little almond milk, some curry powder, coconut extract, salt, pepper and a touch of Splenda. Blend it up and adjust spices to taste as well as add more almond milk to thin to desired consistency. (I like it fairly thick so it is lush and filling.)

PURE HEAVEN!!!


I like cauliflower soup but I never had curry so I don't know if I like it. Unfortunately, the only ingredients in your recipe that I keep in the house is the salt and pepper! LOL I will save your recipe to my recipe file and will try it some day when I feel adventurous.

Thanks!, And thanks for the tip about freezing the cauliflower rice.

Wannabehealthy
04-14-2014, 08:06 AM
No Glimiperide for 2 days now, and this morning my FBG was 113. I am wondering what's going to happen when DH starts eating again and I adjust my eating schedule to his. Don't even think about him adjusting to my schedule because that's not going to happen. LOL Yesterday he ate some pudding and some mashed potatoes without getting sick from it. Foods that just slide down easily. Hopefully he will get his appetite back in time for Easter dinner. He said he is really hungry and would love to have a hamburger and french fries but he's afraid to eat it.

Shannonsnail
04-14-2014, 10:26 AM
Carol Sue hope the hubby is feeling much better soon!

It's official - I am in onederland! Yay!

pattygirl63
04-14-2014, 12:38 PM
Shannon :cp::congrat::cp: So happy for you.:) You are doing great!!!

Carol Sue You are doing great. Hope DH is feeling much better especially by Easter.

Today was my official WI day and things aren't as bad as I thought. Not great, but only up 1.2 lbs which is much better than 2 lbs. Funny how those .8 makes a difference to me. Any way I'm back OP today. Not going to worry about the fiber too much. I think that has kind of side tracked me. I want to get the fiber in, but not going to obsess about it.

I'm not a shake person, but this morning I got up took one of Atkins shakes and added 1/2 c blueberries, approx 1/4 c kale and 1T chia seeds and put them in the MagicBullet and made a nice shake. It is a fast and easy and low carb breakfast. I don't know that I will always use the Atkins shakes but it is a start. I never was a breakfast person although I do love my eggs and bacon. I plan to move those to my evening mealtime. I will have to look around and see what I can find in low carb shakes besides Atkins. With spring fruits coming up, there will be all kinds of fresh fruit to put in the shakes especially low carb fruits like berries.

I've got a salad, broccoli and chicken wings planned for our main meal today. He will have bbq or hot and I like mine plain seasoned good. Then I will have an apple with cheese to hold me over till I'm ready to eat again around 6 or 7 tonight and I will make an egg omelet with veggies and bacon. Hopefully that will see through the evening and I won't need anything else. It like you said the other day Carol Sue, I've got to take this more seriously. I will ride my bike today. I plan to ride 4 days and then start doing Tia Chi 2 days. I notice my balance is a little off sometimes when I walk and DS tells me that it will help with my balance. He has been telling me that for months. It's time to do that too.

Ruthie, Rennie, Kris and JLUS and others :wave:

Have a nice day.

Shannonsnail
04-14-2014, 12:49 PM
Thank you Trish! I am having some, ahm, bathroom issues and then read your post mentioning fiber and remembered this recipe http://alldayidreamaboutfood.com/2012/10/grain-free-hot-cereal.html (recipe at bottom of post) this has alot of fiber. I'm sure you could sub an alternative sugar substitute if you do not have erythritol. I might have this for a snack later :p

pattygirl63
04-14-2014, 04:16 PM
Thank you Trish! I am having some, ahm, bathroom issues and then read your post mentioning fiber and remembered this recipe http://alldayidreamaboutfood.com/2012/10/grain-free-hot-cereal.html (recipe at bottom of post) this has alot of fiber. I'm sure you could sub an alternative sugar substitute if you do not have erythritol. I might have this for a snack later :p

Thanks Shannon. I just might have that for my snack today instead of the apple and cheese. Sure will help with the fiber problem and stay lowcarb.
I'll make it with my Stevia.

Shannonsnail
04-14-2014, 09:08 PM
My 3.5 yr old threw a ginormous tantrum tonight before bed. She is exhausted, having gotten to bed late several nights in a row but still waking early. Used to when that happened, after I got her to sleep I would end up eating to comfort myself because I just struggle with feeling like a sub-optimal mom but times have changed and I am just chilling out a little before washing dishes, etc from dinner. That's a nice change. I hated feeling bad, eating to feel better but instead feeling bloated and guilty.

Today I've been back on plan, feeling better about the weekend off plan dinners. I tried the cauliflower rice tonight and it was ok. The hubby and I both ate it but
I'd say the mashed version was yummier for me. I just sauteed garlic with it and added salt and Mrs Dash to it but I want to try the "fried rice" and "mexican" versions before I judge it too critically.

Dinner is when I like to experiment but golly gee, it is also the worst time of day with my daughter. I think I need a new plan. I used to subscribe to this service called 5 Dinners 1 Hour (their website is down right now or I'd post a link). They provided recipes for 5 meals with instructions on doing all the prep in 1 hour on Sundays. I really liked it but they don't have a low carb version. I wrote and asked if they would consider it but the response was that other plans were easily made low carb with substitutions. I'm not too sure about that being true but I really wish they would come up with one! I need a way to prep most of the meal ahead of time but it has to be stuff the hubby will eat too. I am going to think on this a bit. I have got to come up with something. I do stay at home but in order to do things in the kitchen I have to let my daughter watch TV and she is simply watching too much right now.

Wannabehealthy
04-15-2014, 10:06 AM
Even though I have been adding some beans to my eggs and salads, I'm still not getting enough fiber to do the trick, so I started back eating a few of my fiber crackers. It raises my BS a little bit, but still nowhere near what I had a month ago. I usually eat them at bedtime, but I am going to add them to a meal instead and they might not spike me as much. I only eat a few, never more than 5, and they are small. 15 crackers is considered a serving.

DH is getting up and moving around more and he finally ate last night without feeling sick. A hamburger patty and some tater tots. He still gets a lot of pain, but I told him that's because he is not taking the anti-viral they prescribed. He said "I don't believe THAT." He makes his own rules. Every time the pain gets bad he says he wants to go to the ER and I told him they are just going to MAKE you take the meds. So, I do feel bad for him, but he makes me angry that he moans and groans about something he could control if he would do what the doctor says. Even his son is yelling at him because he's not taking the meds, but he's stubborn. If he says no, it's no.

I am down 1 more lb today. It's so slow, but down is down, and I'm happy about it.

I have cancelled my Easter family dinner. DH told me to. I was feeling a lot of pressure over it, wondering if I was going to be able to get everything done, wondering how he was going to feel. I'm relieved. Everyone was understanding and I think I gave them enough time to make other plans. His one brother already said he wasn't coming because he didn't want to catch the shingles. DR said he would no longer be contageous by then, but who knows. I'm wondering how long it will take to find out if I caught it or not. I've tried not to have contact with him, but I've been helping him change clothes and rubbing his back (through his shirt.) I don't know exactly how much contact you have to have to catch it. He didn't catch it when I had it, and I think my immune system is pretty strong right now with my high vegetable intake.

Shannon, congrats on being in Onederland! Isn't it Onderful? Dealing with a young child can be stressful, but you are handling it well. I would make the mashed cauliflower because I know I would like it but it would just be a small portion for myself because DH would not eat it. He wouldn't even try it. He eats cauliflower, but he wants his potatoes to be potatoes. I love the idea of cooking meals on Sunday for the rest of the week, but DH would never eat food that wasn't made fresh. He has some very strange ways. That's about all I can say. LOL I always tell him "Why couldn't I have married one of those guys who eats whatever you put in front of him?" That will be a priority next time. LOL He loves to eat in restaurants. I asked him "Do you think they go back there and start cooking when you place your order? It's premade!! They defrost it and serve it to you!"

I don't know where Monday went. It's Tuesday already, and I will have to bundle the garbage and take it out to the curb for tomorrow. He says he will do it, but he hasn't even been down the cellar steps in a week. I will put on my big-girl pants and do what has to be done.

Have a good day!

EDIT: I JUST WENT IN TO CHANGE MY TICKER AND SAW THAT I DID NOT GO DOWN A LB. I WENT UP!!! NOT HAPPY, BUT IT HAPPENS TO ALL OF US AT SOME TIME OR ANOTHER!!!!!

pattygirl63
04-15-2014, 11:43 AM
I didn't do well yesterday and not sure why. Decided at lunch time to have a CAD reward meal and eat lowcarb for dinner and then everything was downhill from there because I was hungry all evening. It was like I couldn't get enough to eat. I just can't do that any more. Plus it is obvious to me that Atkins has suddenly become the only way for me to eat because it controls my fbs/bs. Decided not to beat myself up, but learn the lesson and get back on track this morning. Wasn't really fond of the idea, but had my eggs, bacon and cheese and added brussel sprouts to the meal so that I would have the feeling of eating fiber. Could have had greens but not in the mood for that either. But then I like the greens in omelets and wasn't in the mood for an omelet. My stomach wasn't feeling great this morning so I think I was just being ornary in my old age. It did help settle my tummy, so glad I chose to eat it. Planning shrimp scampi for lunch, but not sure what I will have tonight.

I ordered the Atkins Made Easy book and it should arrive tomorrow. I know from their website that they've made some changes and also the book is supposed to make it easier to explain the plan with skeptics. It also has sample menus for each phase.

Shannon You are a good Mom. I remember wanting to do all the things you do. I was a Register babysitter in my home when my children were growing up so I could be home mainly because my daughter was a burn victim and I wanted to be there for her when she would come home from surgeries. I was very picky about my children and those I kept during the day. I fed all of them as healthy as we knew to do at that time. My sister-in-law babysat and we would trade off so we could get paid while on vacation etc. I loved being with the children and decided to cut my vacation short and go back to work a few days early one time. When fed the children the 1st day back said to me, "Aunt Pat, I'm so glad you're back. I like peanut butter sandwiches, but not everyday". I guess I spoiled them, but I felt it was important to feed them healthy and a variety so they didn't get bored with the food. I was always looking for new recipes to cook for my family and those little kids. I would have really had a ball if I'd had the internet. Great job for not using food to deal with the stress. You are doing great.

Carol Sue My 1st 2 hubbies would eat just about anything. I think the only thing Hubby #2 wouldn't eat was cucumbers. When he was a kid, he argued with his mom that nothing that tasted as good as a pickle could possibly come from a cucumber. LOL Now DH #3 is so picky about everything. One of his favorite foods is cauliflower, but since he eats a package a day made with butter, swiss cheese and Ragu double cheese, I don't ever make it. I love the way he makes it, but I would add a little onion to it and it would be great for me. I just won't make it just for me. These hubbies are strange creatures.

Well, I hear him moving around so guess I will go. I think we are all supposed to get rain and colder weather for a few days here on the east. Looks like Ruthie may still be getting snow. I know she will be glad when it clears up. Maybe we will get some pretty weather after Easter. I hope so.

Have a good one.

kris2008
04-15-2014, 10:18 PM
I've been eating low carb for a month, but not really watching calories. My fbs has stayed about same 121-128. The last few days I am watching portions and not eating more than 500 calories at a time. FBS was 90 this morning!

I've always wondered about Biggest Loser. There are 400 pound guys who lose 50 pounds and then don't have Type 2 anymore. How can they still weigh 350 pounds and have lowered their sugar that much? I wonder if lower calorie, lower portions - is what does it, even more than actually losing pounds. Gives the pancreas a rest between meals and I really think the not stuffing oneself has a lot to do with T2 sugar levels. Exercise might help them also though, they exercise so much. What do you think?

Congrats on wonderland Shannon!

Shannonsnail
04-16-2014, 01:20 AM
Where is Rennie? I promise I'm not a stalker but knowing she lives near me makes me notice more when she isn't posting!

Trish you crack me up, "these hubbies are strange creatures" So true!! Tonight mine said (following one of my cooking experiments) "I eat whatever you put in front of me, I no longer eat for pleasure but just to eat, where is the salt? Salt will cure it." LOL!

Carol Sue he isn't taking the anti-viral? Oy! No wonder he's still in pain. Men! We are eating out this year for Easter. My brother is a youth pastor and has an egg hunt to handle on Sat and be in church on Sun. and we will be in church here, an hour away. I guess we will go to an early service and then meet my family out somewhere.

Kris I am at the one month mark as well. My fasting hasn't really improved and strangely tonight, for example, it's 124 before bed and I haven't had anything for several hours and very low carb at dinner. I don't know. My weight is going down though so I'm kind of clinging to the hope that weightloss will help. It can't hurt so I press on.

Today was ok. I made a mistake this morning of taking too long to get moving and didn't get breakfast before I rushed to get my daughter to preschool. Today was a party day and I was planning to stay. I got there and felt horrible so I ended up leaving, going home to eat and then returning later. I used to run out without eating all the time. Times are changing.

Wannabehealthy
04-16-2014, 08:54 AM
Shannon, sometimes Rennie is absent for a few days then pops back in, so I am used to her doing this. I do hope nothing is wrong, but she will probably be back before the week is over. Another poster, FatMad does the same thing, and for longer periods of time.

Trish- I was a copycat last night and ate some bread. I know I can't do that, but I think stress got to me and I wanted instant relief. All I got is I gained another pound and my blood sugar was in the 160's this morning. So it's true. We HAVE to do low carb. Period. The sooner we accept that fact the better off we will be.

Kris - The small meals are a big factor with diabetes. That's something I have to be very careful about. One of my biggest problems is portion control. Watching your calories per meal is what's doing it! I need to learn from your experience. Once I start eating, I have a tendancy to keep eating until I'm stuffed. I guess I've done that for so long that my body wants that.

On Biggest Loser, I think it's the exercise, plus the food choices and quantities that make the BS drop so quickly. Even though they are still big, a 50 lb loss is a lot, and combined with everything else is enough to lower their BS. They are not cured, IMO, just controlled with diet and exercise. If they stop exercising and eating the old way, their BS will go up. There are people who weight 300-400 lbs who aren't diabetic. For whatever reason, their bodies are able to handle glucose correctly even though they are obese. Once your body is not able to handle the glucose, there's no going back. It can be controlled, but it's not cured. Your pancreas is still impaired. If you go back to your old eating pattern your glucose levels will rise. This is a contraversial issue and not everyone agrees with it.

Shannonsnail
04-16-2014, 09:38 AM
Shannon, sometimes Rennie is absent for a few days then pops back in, so I am used to her doing this. I do hope nothing is wrong, but she will probably be back before the week is over. Another poster, FatMad does the same thing, and for longer periods of time.

Trish- I was a copycat last night and ate some bread. I know I can't do that, but I think stress got to me and I wanted instant relief. All I got is I gained another pound and my blood sugar was in the 160's this morning. So it's true. We HAVE to do low carb. Period. The sooner we accept that fact the better off we will be.

Kris - The small meals are a big factor with diabetes. That's something I have to be very careful about. One of my biggest problems is portion control. Watching your calories per meal is what's doing it! I need to learn from your experience. Once I start eating, I have a tendancy to keep eating until I'm stuffed. I guess I've done that for so long that my body wants that.

On Biggest Loser, I think it's the exercise, plus the food choices and quantities that make the BS drop so quickly. Even though they are still big, a 50 lb loss is a lot, and combined with everything else is enough to lower their BS. They are not cured, IMO, just controlled with diet and exercise. If they stop exercising and eating the old way, their BS will go up. There are people who weight 300-400 lbs who aren't diabetic. For whatever reason, their bodies are able to handle glucose correctly even though they are obese. Once your body is not able to handle the glucose, there's no going back. It can be controlled, but it's not cured. Your pancreas is still impaired. If you go back to your old eating pattern your glucose levels will rise. This is a contraversial issue and not everyone agrees with it.

Thanks Carol Sue!

Glucose control is an interesting thing. My husband is 419 and 6'4", he looks like he is carrying triplets. He has a perfect fasting glucose and A1c. Go figure. I thought it would be inevitable that he would become diabetic having gained almost 120 lbs since we married but nope, his labs are always normal. I do not understand but I think it shows that weight does not cause diabetes but it can be a factor in how your body handles the excess glucose or insulin that doesn't function well.

I have bible study this morning so it's time to rush rush rush!

pattygirl63
04-16-2014, 11:35 AM
Interesting conversation going here.

The bread and starchy carbs are definitely a no-no for me. Yesterday morning my fbs was 145 and weight was 227. One day back on Induction and fbs is 114 and weight back down to 224.4 this moring. Talk about lesson learned. Bad stomach problems last few days too. I guess one thing is true from Intuitive Eating "listen to your body. It will tell you what it needs" or in my case what it does NOT need. I got the new book yesterday so read the 1st 2 chapters and part of chapter about Phase 1 Induction.

You should eat 4 to 6 oz protein at each meal. It can be be vegetarian protein not just meat. And you are supposed to eat a minimum of 6 servings of veggies a day. I don't think I'm always doing that which may be why I'm tired all the time. They say to be sure and use full fat cheese and meat without fillers and absolutely no low fat products.

I don't think I'm going to track on MFP as some of the numbers mess with my mind. I tried to adjust the carb/protein/fat ratio and just can't get it right. Any way the book says if you follow the plan women only eat between 1500 to 1800 calories.

The Atkins bars and shakes are for emergencies or for people on the go. However, it is best not to use them all the time.

DS is on the phone so be back later.

Shannonsnail
04-16-2014, 02:01 PM
Ok, back home now....wanted to add Carol Sue is correct, once your body begins losing it's ability to respond properly to glucose/insulin, we can lose weight and eat properly which can bring it into 'control' but from what I understand we will always be at risk if we stop doing the things that help us control it. I don't think we can just go back to eating mostly carbs and be ok. That being said, there is reversal of diabetes. Honestly, I'm not sure there is anything published yet on this, it was something I heard snippets about in my previous job. Gastric bypass removes an area of the intestine that is being investigated. There is some evidence that something important to glucose control goes on in that area and when it is removed, proper bodily function is restored. Don't quote me or even fully accept what I'm saying because I'm not taking the time to look to see if it has indeed been published but I know as of two years ago it was definitely being discussed amongst scientists. So, if true, that may represent reversal. Otherwise, I think we are just keeping it under control. Again, as Carol Sue said, this is a controversial subject and opinions/terminology may differ amongst those reading.

kris2008
04-16-2014, 02:44 PM
Interesting! Bernstein says there is something in the colon that gets triggered when large amounts of food are ingested - I can't remember what it is. But with glucose problems, it is something we don't want. Wonder if that has anything to do with what Shannon is talking about.

Ate almost exactly the same thing yesterday as I did Monday. Exercise and bedtime etc all same. First day fbs was 109, this morning back to 121. I did have a piece of cheese an hour or two have dinner on Monday though, and then a few too many pickles on Tuesday night. Anyone notice salt effecting their fbs?

Wannabehealthy
04-16-2014, 03:19 PM
Shannon, I have heard that about gastric bypass surgery, but I've always wondered if it worked long term. I did some googling and some say yes, some say no. Anyone can put anything on the internet and it cannot be taken as gospel. A woman at work had her diabetes reversed with gastric bypass, but now that I'm retired, I never see her to ask if her diabetes stayed gone. One website said that if the diabetes is far enough progressed to cause damage to the Beta Cells, that damage cannot be repaired, and they will never again operate the way they did originally.

Trish, you might be getting more servings of veggies than you realize. Cooked veggies are 1/2 c per serving and salad veggies like lettuce are 1 cup per serving. That's really not very much. I had cooked baby carrots and brussels sprouts for lunch and that was 1 1/2 Cups. So 3 servings right there. When I eat a salad, it's rarely only 1 cup. It's at least 2 cups or more.

I don't track every day, but when I first started this low carb plan I was running around 800-1000 calories. I kept trying to up it to at least 1200. Recently I have been tracking at 1200-1400. I think I am going to eat what I want and not worry about calories. I'm saying that if I only eat 900 calories and I'm satisfied, I will not try to increase it to meet someone else's idea of what I should be eating. I believe that "starvation mode" is a myth. I read that somewhere...low calories can slow your metabolism a bit, but not enough to make that big of a difference. Otherwise, anorexics would not get so thin. Their body would hold on to the fat. I know a lot of people who eat 1000 cals a day or less and they are losing. I'm struggling. I need to change something, so this will be my next experiment to see if I can get the scale moving downward.

Kris, I have not noticed any difference with salt, but I don't eat pickles. I eat olives, which would be on the same order, but haven't paid that much attention to how they effect blood sugar. It's crazy sometimes. You can never tell what it's going to do. I think this is why doctors base their findings more on A1c rather than individual daily testing. Does your meter show averages? Mine shows 14 and 30 day averages. I never used to pay any attention to them, but recently I noticed how far they have come down since I made the recent changes. I have a chart that tells you what your A1c would be based on your average blood glucose. Of course, if you're only testing fasting and not testing post prandial you won't get a true average.

Just thought of something....did the pickles contain sugar?

pattygirl63
04-16-2014, 04:31 PM
Carol Sue I feel the same way about eating as much as someone else thinks I should eat. When I've tracked, I've seen some days lower than others as it seems to vary according to how my hunger is each day. I know when my sister had lap band surgery, they had her eating only 500 calories a day of low carb meals. I remember thinking "why would you have surgery if you are going to eat only 500 cals". If you're eating only 500 calories, of course you're going to lose weight. My point is that if you can live on 500 calories a day, then 900 or 1000 cals isn't going to hurt you. Just my theory. I'm just counting carbs now in a notebook, no calorie counting. It is so easy because just about everything has label info that makes it easier.

Kris I honestly believe and have often thout that salt (because I have a tendency to retain fluid) does affect my fbs except when I'm eating Atkins Induction because it is a natural diuretic. Atkins recommends eating salt when on Atkins to keep from having leg cramps which I get really bad when I low carb with low sodium. However, I still don't eat a lot of sodium. I've also learned that how much sleep I get also affects it. It is amazing what can or cannot affect your FBS.

Shannon It is true that once we get the diabetes under control that we cannot go back to our old way of eating. I am a perfect example of that fact. I've had mine under control 2x's. Once I did it with lowfat and the second time just eating healthy, no real diet. It was more like Intuitive Eating although I had never heard that term at the time. Actually I guess I did it 3x, because about 5 or 6 yrs ago, I did Atkins and got my fbs and all my other numbers down to normal. I never got did get the weight down to goal, but when I got things normal, I started eating my old way again and here I am having to do this over again. I know I've always tried to do this my way, but I think I finally got it into my head that this has to be a lifestyle.

love2b150
04-16-2014, 11:39 PM
Hi Ladies,

I'm not doing well right now. I have allowed my eating to get out of control. Weight is up and so is fbs. Gonna work on a new start tomorrow and hope I make it the entire day. One day at a time, however today started off great then mid-afternoon I ate every wrong thing there was ... so I'll try again tomorrow.

Shannonsnail
04-17-2014, 12:02 AM
Rennie i was missing you! :hug: hugs! We all have bad days! I try to take it "one meal at a time" i am so all or nothing that used to, if I had a bad meal then a bad day resulted. Now I try to just do better at the next meal.

Well ladies, I am nervous. I have a blood draw in the morning and my fastings have been high (for me) the last few days, I've even had a couple that would be "diabetic", not "prediabetic". Today I had more carbs than usual and my post prandials have been a little higher. This lab draw might be "the one". I go in for the actual appt next Tues so I will face whatever the music is then but I am feeling a little nervous about this draw. I have also never been testing in conjunction with my draws before so in the past it was a complete mystery and now I'm all full of knowledge. I feel like I just ate the fruit in the garden of eden.

Edited: i feel better. I just checked my BS before bed and it is good. Usually my fbs is slightly higher than my before bed. If that holds true (through til 9:30 am when I am usually up at 7:30 or 8 am) then it will be "prediabetic" still.

Wannabehealthy
04-17-2014, 09:59 AM
Trish - The one difference with gastric bypass is that they are really not getting enough nutrients, and therefore have to use a lot of protein supplements, vitamins etc. And because of the surgery, they don't feel hunger, but they do still have cravings, and for me, eating is probably 75% cravings rather than actual hunger. 500 calories is really extreme and neither of us would probably ever do that, except maybe one day here and there, whereas they have to do it every day. Many of them lose their hair because of the lack of nutrients. In our case, our tracking might show 900 calories but we might really be eating more due to actual portion sizes etc. I think programs like Fit Day and MFP give you estimates. I can go back to my same old mantra.....thin people do not track. They eat when they are hungry and stop when they are satisfied. Sometimes tracking could backfire. It could say, "I still have calories left. What else can I eat?" when you are really no longer hungry. Tracking is good when you aren't losing and you want to see where your extra calories/carbs/fat are coming from.

I have a funny story. Yesterday, I had to go to Target to get an RX for my husband. I dropped off the script and left to go to another store. As I left the store I passed the snack bar where they sell pizza and those big soft pretzels. I haven't had one of those pretzels for years! They looked so good. I did my shopping then came back to pick up the meds. As I was walking in the door I said to myself "I want one of those pretzels. I'm going to get one on the way out." I got the RX, bought a few other things, and was driving down the highway before I realized I forgot to buy the pretzel!! I think God intervened here. He knew I was weak and he made me forget. I realize now that I checked out at a register that was past the snack bar, closer to the door and didn't have to walk past it on the way out. I will have to remember that from now on when I go there. Don't go near the pretzels!

I ate some of my fiber crackers with dinner and my BS was 146 this morning, so I guess that didn't work. Now I've decided to try them with lunch, on days that I'm going to be exercising in the afternoon.

Last night before I ate dinner my bs was 109, so I didn't take the glimiperide. I had roasted chicken and peas, then I ate 5 fiber crackers. I suppose I shouldn't be playing around with the meds, I should just be taking it, but I'm concerned about having a low if my bs is 109 before a meal when I'm not eating starchy carbs. The crackers were not planned, they were an afterthought. Now that I see how much my bs can drop if I don't eat carbs, I know I can do away with the med eventually. If I continue to take it on a regular basis it will further damage my Beta Cells and why do that if I can control it without it. I can't say this to the doctor because they want you to just take the meds they prescribe.

Rennie, we all have been there. I was so confident that I was not going to have a gain ever again and got so depressed when I went up 2 lbs. It put me in my place. You have done so well, this is just a blip and you soon will be losing again.

Kris, I have Bernstein's book. It is geared mainly toward type 1, but still has a lot of information for type 2. I will have to look it over again and remind myself of what he has to say, especially about large meals.

Shannon, I hope you get good results with your labs, but even if they are still a little high, you are doing well and are headed in the right direction. Do you think your doctor will put you on meds if it's still high?

Shannonsnail
04-17-2014, 11:29 AM
Carol Sue my temptation at Target is the popcorn and drink combo. I used to get my pepsi/coke and my big bag of popcorn, eat and drink while shopping, then refill my soda before leaving. Then I had my daughter and she wanted my popcorn. It wasn't as much fun, lol!

Back in the late summer the dr said she wouldn't prescribe unless I had an official diagnosis. She wanted to push lifestyle change but I wasn't ready yet. I still had metformin so I put myself back on it but I stopped shortly after bc of the cramping. Then when I went back in Dec she said the same thing so I'm giving it a go. I tested on my meter in the bathroom before my draw and it was 117. It was 104 last night. I definitely think I have the dawn phenomenom.

Good news, my scale is still moving!

Wannabehealthy
04-17-2014, 12:55 PM
Yay! The scale still moving is wonderful! As for the dawn phenomenon, I think everyone has it. LOL If you happen to wake some night at say 3AM, get up and test your BS to see where you're at. The only explanation I've heard that makes sense to me is that when you go a long time without food, such as overnight, your body senses a lack of glucose so it squirts some out, but it doesn't have good control and it squirts out too much. This is why they say 1) have a snack at bedtime and 2) eat something as soon as you get up. Number 1 doesn't work for me, and they say number 2 will stop the body from squirting out the glucose...but I figure that eating is going to add more glucose anyway. There's a lot I don't understand no matter how it's explained to me.

I love popcorn, too. I can eat tons of it. DH doesn't like me to eat it because of the hulls, since my 2 bowel surgeries were due to diverticulitis. Now I avoid it as much as possible because of the carbs, and because it's empty calories. I don't consider the fiber important enough because you can get fiber in better foods. When I was single and thin I stopped in snack bars in a lot of stores. But I didn't keep much food in the house so that was my meal, not a snack. If we should happen to stop at the food court at the mall the only thing I will get is an egg roll at the chinese shop because it's something I rarely have. DH gets McDonald's. We are so adventurous! LOL

I am down 1 of the 2 lbs I gained, so I am heading in the right direction. I want to be at 193 by Sat because that is weigh-in day for my One Pound a Week Challenge. I was at 194 last week.

How much Metformin are you taking? When I started taking it I was on 500 twice a day. I lost 25 lbs with that, easily, then another 15 with my first bowel surgery. Needless to say, it didn't all stay gone. There is no magic.

pattygirl63
04-17-2014, 07:50 PM
My fbs was 125 this morning and I was down .2 lbs. I was disappointed in the fbs and couldn't figure out why it was up since I did everything right yesterday. We went out to eat at Cracker Barrel today and I ordered the fried catfish fillet, green beans and a salad with ranch dressing. DH always gets dumplings and apples. He never orders bread so I was surprised when he ordered the corn muffins. I love dumplings so I ate 2 of them and took a bite of the muffin. I never get tempted with the apples. However, I decided to do a 3 hr check. I figured it would be high, but I was pleasantly surprised that it was only 119. That really thrills me to know that I can eat a little more carbs one in a while and it won't hurt. I was going to get their chef salad, but the ham was sugar ham so I had to pass on that one. I'm thankful that what I chose didn't hurt me.

Not sure what is for dinner, nothing sounds good.

Carol Sue One of my big problems with counting calories etc on MFP is that I can have more calories and I find myself trying to get enough. I think my fbs was up today because I ate dinner. I had an Atkins shake around 4 or 5. Then because I felt I needed to eat, I made a hamburger patty and put it in a salad and ate it. I don't really think I was hungry, I was just eating to get the calories. I still like the IE idea of eating only as much as it takes to satisfy the hunger. I think I'm going to implement that into my eating plan.

Shannon You have been doing so well overall that I bet your blood work will be really good. I'm pulling for you. :)

Rennie We all have the little blips. I think we just have to know they are going to happen from time to time. Just hang in there you have come a long way and you are doing great so close to goal. Just don't give up. I was in a strange mood today and could have really screwed everything up. I really wanted to at one point and just didn't care. Somehow God got me through it. I know I still have to tweak things because I am fully aware that Atkins Induction just isn't something I'm going to stick with especially as strict as it is. I just have to find a balance in my carbs and it is real drag. I know I won't feel like this all the time and perhaps tomorrow I will get up and be strong about the low carb eating again. We just have to take it one day at a time. If we have a blip, we just have see it for what it is and move on. We can do this.

Kris, Ruthie, Fatmad and others :wave:

Wannabehealthy
04-17-2014, 09:40 PM
Trish, I think we will eventually find a balance where we can eat some carb occasionally, as long as we don't make it an every day thing. I have had the same situation where I know I didn't eat carbs but my BS is still too high. It's weird. Since our A1c is based on a 3 month average, an occasional spike will not matter much. Is your husband able to eat the dumplings without a spike?

pattygirl63
04-18-2014, 12:29 AM
Trish, I think we will eventually find a balance where we can eat some carb occasionally, as long as we don't make it an every day thing. I have had the same situation where I know I didn't eat carbs but my BS is still too high. It's weird. Since our A1c is based on a 3 month average, an occasional spike will not matter much. Is your husband able to eat the dumplings without a spike?

I don't know if he gets spikes or not after he eats. He never checks after eating. :dizzy: He only checks fbs when I insist on it. He takes Glimiperide so it probably takes care of his. I just don't want to have to take it myself.

Shannonsnail
04-18-2014, 12:30 AM
Well, I missed getting my coffee this morning and had a horrible headache all day. I also had a backache from sleeping crunched up most of last night like a cat at the foot of my daughter's bed. I wasn't eating enough all day but couldn't seem to figure out what to eat to feel better. So, all day I was in a bad mood, just didn't feel great. That has continued into the night and I've been snacky because I didn't eat enough all day. Waaah! Hoping for a better tomorrow.

Wannabehealthy
04-18-2014, 08:19 AM
Oh No! No coffee!! I went completely off coffee for about a year in 2011 and I handled it fine, but now I'm back to it more than I ever was. I think it was just so cold this winter I felt that I needed it constantly. It's probably not too good for me to drink so much with my heart disease. I'm always doing something that's not good for me, no matter how I try.

When I went to bed last night my bs was 99. When I got up this morning it was 113. At best, when I was having good A1c my fasting ran in the 120s so that 113 floored me. When I went to bed I was hungry, but too tired to get out of bed to eat something. Once I fell asleep I forgot about it. I lost my other lb I gained, too. This morning I tracked my food for yesterday out of curiosity and I had 1,243 cals, 30 gm carb, 12 gm fiber and 94 gm protein, 85 gm fat, half of which was mono fat. I ate more protein than usual, which gave me more fat. It was a chicken leg and some meatballs in sauce plus my morning eggs. I also ate about 10 olives, but the fat in them is mono fat. I was surprised that my calories were that high but I had more protein and fewer veggies than normal. But it did lower my BS to a new low, and I didn't take any glimiperide yesterday. I wont give up my veggies. Yesterday was just and unusual day. I'm trying to get rid of leftovers. LOL I don't want to have to take the glimiperide either, Trish. It burns out your Beta Cells because it's forcing them to kick out more insulin. I realize it allows a lot of people to eat carbs, but it's not something I want to do. Just a personal choice, and nothing against your husband for taking it. My husband would not be able to go without carbs like I do.

I don't know what we're going to eat today because it's Good Friday and we usually go out for fish or DH gets a plain pizza. He won't beeating either of those today. Your catfish sounded good Trish. I've only had it twice because it's not really common up north. I love any kind of fish and eat it more than once a week, usually.

pattygirl63
04-18-2014, 11:22 AM
Rennie I'm back on track today and have my plan for today. So come on and join me. We can do this TODAY. You are so close to goal, please don't give up.

Shannon I hate days when I don't know what I want to eat. It makes it so difficult for me to eat what needs to be eaten. According to the new Atkins Made Easy book says that low carbing will help us get rid of mood swings. I sure hope so because, I get tired of these roller coaster swings. It is bad enough to deal with this weight/bs and this is just another thing I have to deal with. However, recognizing what is going on may be a helpful lesson for us to beware of these things so they don't derail us.

Carol Sue I would love to be healthy one more time in this lifetime and I don't want to just patch this problem I have with a band-aid. So while it is difficult for me to think of giving up all the carbs, I also am aware that it is better to do that if necessary and have my health.

Well, I guess I didn't do too much damage yesterday. I ate some high fiber triscuits with the Polaner and I was up half the night running to the potty, but it paid off. I had a gain, but only .8 lbs, however, the fbs was down 2 pts to 123. I consider that a good thing because I remember when it would have been 200 or close. So I see improvement. I think walking through Lowe's and Sam's (probably an hr or more of walking) probably helped too.

Today I'm back OP. I haven't left MFP as I think it is good to see what I'm doing. I still was under my allotted calories for the day yesterday and today I have planned my meals ahead of time. I'm not sure having 1 off day a week is really bad. Normal, thin people don't eat the same way all the time. DH #2's mother worked for a diet doctor when she lived in California. He had his patients follow low carb diet 6 days a week with 1 day that they could enjoy eating whatever they wanted. Mother said they were successful dieters. In fact, she kind of ate that way when she was thin. In fact, she didn't gain weight until she and her sister moved in together and she felt she had to eat the way her sister ate. That woman ate mostly low carb, but she did include some fruit every day and she had the most beautiful skin you ever saw. Didn't wrinkle or gain weight until she switched to lowfat eating with her sister. It was down hill for her from there. I've thought a lot about her lately. She had a complete check up in the hospital before she switched to low carb and her heart everything was perfect even though she smoked. But when she switched to low carb her health went down. Interesting.

Well, I need to get busy around here. Haven't talk to DS in a few days so need to check on him. I like to know where he is and he is okay when he is on the road.

Have a nice day.

Wannabehealthy
04-18-2014, 01:28 PM
Trish, I can't believe you mentioned the doctor who had his patients eat low carb 6 days and eat carbs on the 7th day. This morning I was just reading about it. It is in a book called Carb Nite Solution. I will not buy the book because the cheapest I can find it is $25 plus shipping and I don't want to spend that much. I was reading another low carb forum and this one woman stated that she was getting a red rash on her torso. Someone came back and said that is a condition caused by extreme low carb diets. She said she started adding a little more carb in the form of beans and the rash went away. Someone else suggested the Carb Nite Solution diet. In reading about it I saw that it is mostly promoted for weight loss....it tricks your hormones by eating those carbs that one day, but I am interested in it because of the rash. I was diagnosed with psoriasis years ago. It was mild. Over the years I have had much more of it, mainly on my torso, and it looked different from my other psoriasis. Now I'm thinking that it might have to do with low carb. After I had my second bowel surgery my doctor put me on a diet of soft foods, lots of pasta etc. After that my "psoriasis" cleared up completely, and I didn't know why. Psoriasis is considered permanent and there is no cure. Now that I have been on this strict low carb program for about a month, the rash is coming back bad on my torso. Both sides going down under my arm and on my upper thighs. It has me wondering. I don't want to add carbs since this is doing so good with my blood sugar, but I'm wondering what would happen if I did one carb day a week and then got right back on low carb. 1) Could I do it without causing a week long binge? 2) Would 1 bad spike a week totally wreck my glucose readings? I think I might try this one week and see if I can get right back on low carb the next day. I'm afraid, but if it gets rid of this rash, it might be worth it. I really enjoyed being rash free all last summer.

People reviewing the book said that it contains a lot of low carb menus, but I don't really need that. I just want to know how to do the diet. From what I read, you do low carb 6 days a week, like 30 carb gms per day, then on the 7th day you can eat high carbs over an 8 hour period. The next day you will have a slight upswing of weight and bloating, but in the days following when you go back to low carb you will experience more fat loss. The hardest part for me would be making the carb day the same day every week. I think I would make it mid week and would make spaghetti or lasagne that day, and eat toast with my breakfast, and a sandwich for lunch. I will NOT include unhealthy foods, like sweets, chips, ice cream etc. Just starchy carbs that I have been avoiding. And I will make sure to exercise good that day to help my blood sugar as much as I can.

I have tried so many crazy diet plans, what's one more? Right? LOL My main concern is my blood sugar. But I've proven that I can get it down, so I can do it again if need be.

pattygirl63
04-18-2014, 02:34 PM
Hey Carol Sue, I was thinking about trying this too, but I can't always do it the same day either. We usually eat out during the week when one or both of us go to the doctor's office. So I think I will low carb everyday except for those days. Then on the weeks that we don't go out to eat, I'll pick a day during that week to do a carb day. We will probably go out Monday so if we go out I will make that my carby day. It will be interesting to see how well it works. I think eating 30 g carbs will be easier than 20 g too. Good luck on or new journey.

I hope that it will be fun to know that one day a week I can have a carb day. Like you I don't want junky carbs just some of those carbs I miss while low carbing.

Interesting about the rash from the low carb diet. I also get a rash sometimes. I usually get it from too much white carbs, but I noticed this time that I also had a rash with the low carb eating.

kris2008
04-18-2014, 03:51 PM
Eating low carb for about 5 weeks, my FBS is 90 to 128 averaging 115. My last A1C was equivalent to 134 average. And I was eating lots of junk the few months before that reading! I need to be consistent with cardio exercise - every single morning and every single evening. I've lost about 7 pounds, need to get back on that track also.

My pickles are never sweet, always salty. My new kick is pickles dipped in peanut butter. Not going to lose weight that way! I'm still eating fruit - have berries in a morning smoothee (w/plain yogurt, flaxseed, spinach) and an orange or apple after my soup at lunch. Just really need to get control in evening. Carbs good, calories not! Will try cardio and some yoga as soon as I get home from work, before eating. Maybe that will calm my need to stuff myself.

Shannonsnail
04-18-2014, 04:15 PM
Made sure to have my coffee today (set it up last night) and feeling better :-) it's funny bc two years ago I maybe had one cup a week, lol. I only drink a half cup per day but it's my only caffeine for the day too.

I'm watching my neighbor's daughter today so I'll be back later tonight to chat.

Wannabehealthy
04-18-2014, 05:57 PM
Kris, you could have the pickles dipped in peanut butter as long as you allowed for it. Just check for carbs in each one. That actually sounds good even though I don't usually eat pickles. Sure you're not pregnant? LOL Just kidding!! According to my chart, an A1c equal to 134 is in the 6 range and I and my doctor would be happy with that, even though I know below 6 is better.

Trish, I do pretty good with low carb when I eat out because I usually order fish, with a hot veggie and a tossed salad. Or I get the salad bar and skip the carby stuff. I do make spaghetti or lasagne a couple times a month. I have eaten each of them once since I started this low carb and although I got a spike, it went right back down the next day. I think it's when you do carb on consecutive days that it goes up and stays up. I think I will make Wednesday my carb day, but the minute I have a problem with my blood sugar or my weight I will stop immediately. I don't want to screw up what I've worked so hard to do.

pattygirl63
04-18-2014, 09:09 PM
I didn't make it with the 20 to 30g of low carb today. I think it is the fat. I'm not sure. I made stir-fry veggies with shrimp cooked in butter and added Alfredo sauce. The fat got to my stomach so bad that I had to eat some crackers to soak up the oil.

I'll try again tomorrow.

Shannonsnail
04-18-2014, 09:37 PM
Carol Sue, re: psoriasis....it is an autoimmune condition so supposedly inflammatory foods make it worse. I think sugars and wheat are at the top of the list but I've also seen some say that dairy and eggs/meat from grain fed animals are as well.

Shannonsnail
04-19-2014, 12:07 AM
It was a long day taking care of two 3.5 yr olds and I mowed the yard after dinner. I am going to sleep good tonight (hope the munchkin cooperates with that plan). I have taken almost two full days off from testing. Last tested yesterday morning. I will start back tomorrow morning, just needed a break.

Meant to tell ya'll that I made the cauliflower mash again and hubby ate it again and commented "who knew you could do that with cauliflower?!" LOL! I also made "cabbage steaks" or "cabbage wheels" and my hubby who said "I hate cabbage" was upset I didn't make a larger batch! Of course tonight I baked a wheat free sugar free chocolate chip walnut cookie batch and he said "these are a good substitute if you are dying" dying? Lol! I think they taste really good but he says that is bc I am not eating sugar. I really do think they are just as good as the regular cookies I used to bake. They have a different texture/consistency but taste-wise I really think they are just as good. Oh well, I'll take what I can get from him!

Wannabehealthy
04-19-2014, 09:52 AM
Shannon, I was never officially diagnosed with psoriasis. I first started getting it around my ears and hairline and the doc looked at it and said that's psoriasis and prescribed a cream. Down the line I started getting it on the sides of my torso and some on my legs but it looked different. It was red dots rather than scaly patches. He said "guttae psoriasis." Never did a biopsy or any other tests. He referred me to a derm whom I didn't like at all. The options they gave me sounded horrible and dangerous. The drugs are expensive, and only work for a while, so not worth it for me. The light box has a risk of skin cancer. So does a tanning bed, so I chose the tanning bed. More in my price range. I have read so much about it, and have found that it is an autoimmune disease but people have different triggers. Mine never went into remission until I was put on that diet with lots of carbs, so that throws the wheat theory out the window. I have heard coffee and tea and right now I'm drinking a LOT of coffee. But when I quit the coffee that year, I still had it. I think it might be one of those things that just appears when it wants to with no rhyme or reason. I am willing to try this Carb Nite thing to see if there's anything to it. As I said before, if I see it messing up everything I've worked toward with my blood sugar I will stop. The psoriasis is not life threatening and not high on my priority list. Blood sugar is. Recently they said that psoriasis is tied to heart disease, which I do have. But psoriasis going away isn't going to make the heart disease go away.

Wannabehealthy
04-19-2014, 10:01 AM
Shannon, I love cabbage and I eat a lot of it, but I chop it and put it in a pan with onions and butter and put a lid on it until it's tender. I googled the cabbage steaks and they look interesting to me, too. DH would not eat it. The only way he eats cabbage is when it's wrapped around a hunk of ground beef in a stuffed cabbage roll. LOL All the recipes I see have the same basic ingredients....olive oil, salt, pepper. Maybe I will make some today. I am going to be roasting a turkey breast so they can just go in the oven with that. Thanks for mentioning it!

When my husband wants a cookie he wants it to be a real cookie, with all the sugar and fat it's supposed to have. I wouldn't even consider offering him anything else. I rarely eat sweets, but if I were going to, it would be Haystacks made with Fiber One cereal, melted chocolate chips and peanut butter. At least I would feel healthy with the Fiber One cereal. LOL

Wannabehealthy
04-19-2014, 10:16 AM
Here's another book we might be interested in. I got an advertisement from Prevention for the book "Beat Diabetis Naturally." They want $31.95 plus shipping! That's not going to happen! I check online and our library has it so I'm going to go get it. The ad mentions vinegar, cinnamon, and says burn belly fat 7 X faster. I'm curious. Maybe I'll stop there today.

pattygirl63
04-19-2014, 10:36 AM
A quick flyby as I should be walking out the door right now to go to beauty shop.

I sure did want that 1 sl of toast this morning, but low carb won out. I passed it up and I'm going to the store after I get out of beauty shop. Going to get some more meat that I really like that I think will help me stay on plan. My main problem is what to eat when I cook dinner for just me. I'll also get some salad fixings too.

BBL

kris2008
04-19-2014, 11:14 AM
I am so excited to be halfway to weight loss goal today!!!! I have not been below 160 pounds in 20 years!

Shannon - Can't wait to hear your new official blood numbers.

Carol Sue - Thanks for A1C info. You're right, I was in the higher 6's than before. Trouble is I've been "borderline" for about 10 years and never did anything about it. (And now I know that borderline isn't great for the body either.) Now that I am officially not borderline but over the line, I had to take control. And of course I am hoping that I won't have to take medication.

Trisha - It's just me for dinner most of the time. My best dinners are big vegetable salads with chicken or a boiled egg with dressing I make. Olive oil, rice vinegar, lemon juice, herbs and garlic. Greens, tomatoes, a carrot, onions, celery, roasted vegetables like brussel sprouts or broccoli, some apple. I'm full, really had a lot of carbs but also fiber and fat and protein. Fiber fat and protein at every meal! And the scale and sugar numbers usually look good the next morning.

kris2008
04-19-2014, 11:48 AM
Here's what Bernstein says about eating too much at one time:

"The upper part of the small intestine contains cells that release hormones into the bloodstream when they are stretched, as after a meal. These hormones signal the pancreas to produce some insulin to prevent the blood sugar rise that might otherwise follow the digestion of a meal. Large meals will cause greater stretching of the intestinal cells, which in turn will secrete proportionately larger amounts of these 'incretin' hormones. Since a very small amount of insulin released by the pancreas can cause a large drop in blood sugar, the pancreas simultaneously produces the less potent hormone glucagon to offset the potential excess effect of the insulin. If you're diabetic and deficient in producing insulin, you might not be able to release insulin, but you will still release glucagon, which will ... raise your blood sugar. Thus, if you eat enough to feel stuffed, your blood sugar can go up by a large amount, even if you eat something indigestible, like sawdust."

He's mainly talking about Type 1, but this will happen to Type 2's to a lesser degree. So this is one reason that eating too much of even the "right" foods is not good for us.

Wannabehealthy
04-19-2014, 05:08 PM
Kris, I do notice that sometimes I get a higher blood sugar than expected even though I've stayed low carb and that is probably because of portion size. That's what got me to 217 lbs in the first place....I do have a great appetite! That's the main thing I have to work on. Thanks for posting the info. I forgot to look it up.

You made me want to go make a big salad! LOL I didn't eat many salads over winter because it was so cold I wanted hot food. Now it's salad weather.

Good for you getting halfway! I would be ecstatic to get to 160. My BP and BG would be in a much better range and I would fit in my clothes I grew out of but kept, just in case. Right now I'm happy for each pound I lose, and every day that I don't gain.

Best to stay off meds if you can, but if you go on Metformin, it will help with weight loss and most people don't get side effects as long as you start out with a low dose.

I went to the library and got the book Beat Diabetes Naturally and also The Best Life Guide to Managing Diabetes and Pre-Diabetes. Bob Greene wrote the second one, along with an endocrinologist and nutritionist. I'm interested in seeing what they have to say. Getting the book from the library is much better that putting out the money and then no liking the book. Even if I don't learn anything new it will keep me in the healthy eating mode.

I cooked a turkey breast today. That was my original plan for the family dinner for Easter, to make the turkey for our dinner today and then serve leftover turkey with the ham on Easter. I'm still going to cook a half ham tomorrow even though the family isn't coming because DH said he wants some ham. I want him to eat whatever he will eat as he hasn't been eating much. I don't know who's going to eat all this food, but at least I will have protein for next week and won't have to cook any more.

pattygirl63
04-19-2014, 09:03 PM
I went to the store and got salad stuff, a small ham and brisket. Came home and put the ham in the oven. I put some of it in the freezer and some in the fridge. I made a nice big salad with a little over 4 oz ham in it. I counted it on MFP as 6 because I had a small piece for taste when I took it out of the oven and then a couple of bites when I cut it up. Any way, I figure DH and I can have our main meal and then I can eat a nice chef type salad for dinner. This way I can see to it that I get my veggies in. I don't think I will have to track my food on MFP if I eat this way because there is no way I'm going to eat the 1640 calories they say I am allowed. I eat my eggs and bacon in the morning and a salad, protein and another veggie like broccoli, cabbage or brussel sprouts, etc each day. I just might add one or true fruits into the plan... 1 at breakfast and 1 at lunch, because I find it very difficult to even get up to 1200 calories eating this way. Maybe the few days we eat out will make up the difference in the low calorie days.

Kris I had already made my salad and I chuckled when I read you post. I'm like Carol Sue I love salads when the weather this time of the year. I found it difficult to eat them during the cold weather. Congratulations on being half way to your goal.

Carol Sue I haven't had a library card in years. I think I should get one. I used to love to go to the library when my kids and grandkids were growing up. I homeschooled the grandkids and made them learn to read books and do research using the library. I was going to get one when we first moved here and the they were closed down remodeling the library at the time and I never bothered to go back. That is bad, isn't it.

Shannon I used to babysit for a living so I know keeping up with two 3.5 yr olds can be fun and trying. However, you do a great job. Yey :carrot: with DH liking 2 out of 3 new foods. Not bad. Mine probably wouldn't eat a cabbage any other way but boiled with butter. I try to make what he likes or will eat at our one together meal each day. Then I eat what I want for breakfast and dinner.

Since I'm bored with tired of food right now and learned from Atkins that it doesn't hurt to wait up to 6 hrs between meals, I am only eating 3 meals, but they aren't huge meals. I didn't put anything out for lunch before I left today so I went by Zaxby's and got DH chicken zingers and got me one of their sensational salads. Well it was not sensational to me. I don't know the seasoning they used but I hated it. I ate about 1/3 of it and threw it out. For one thing, I thought it was grilled chicken and it was fried so I couldn't eat much of it and it must have been a ceaser type salad because it didn't have anything but greens in it. It tasted a sickening sweet and tangy flavor that almost made me sick. I'm not sure how much of that may be the fact that I've been having problems with my stomach. I've pretty much decided that I just can't eat a lot of fat or protein either. So I'm trying to keep the fat and protein kind of low as well as the carbs.

Y'all have a really nice Easter.

Shannonsnail
04-19-2014, 09:38 PM
Today was a weird eating day. Woke later than usual, ended up eating strawberries with my coffee instead of eggs, it was so close to lunch. Went to a community day at the church where my daughter attends preschool and it was a BBQ lunch - ate a little bbq (it was spicier than I like), slaw and beans (resisted bread, chips, cookies and lemonade, lol). Had a cheeseburger (no bun) with guacamole for dinner. Then I wanted to make resurrection rolls with my daughter. Ended up eating one mostly bc I just did not eat enough today and my will power was crumbling. They weren't that great so I don't know why I caved really. Ate a handful of nuts to counteract some of the sugar. I just got my daughter bathed and in bed and I'm still hungry.

love2b150
04-19-2014, 10:48 PM
Hello Everyone, Just wanted to wish you all a Blessed and Happy Easter :)

I've been reading as usual but IMO this thread needs to be printed. There is always a wealth of information here. I have my good days and my not so good days. I have decided that starting on Monday I will go back to the way I was eating in January. That is the only way I am going to be able to get to the next decade. I am going to go on MFP and look up my menus from then and right down the ones that I really liked.

Shannonsnail
04-19-2014, 11:39 PM
Hello Everyone, Just wanted to wish you all a Blessed and Happy Easter :)

I've been reading as usual but IMO this thread needs to be printed. There is always a wealth of information here. I have my good days and my not so good days. I have decided that starting on Monday I will go back to the way I was eating in January. That is the only way I am going to be able to get to the next decade. I am going to go on MFP and look up my menus from then and right down the ones that I really liked.

I wasn't active here in January, how were you eating then?

pattygirl63
04-20-2014, 09:58 AM
:egg::easter3:CHICKIES!!! HAVE A BLESSED!!!

Shannonsnail
04-21-2014, 09:50 AM
Hope everyone had a good Easter! My weight is still down 196.2 today, a total loss of 14.6 lbs. I was anticipating seeing 196 today but it was close. My eating was not "bad" yesterday but I did eat more carbs than usual. My daughter has speech this morning and we are running behind so I will check in later today.

Ruthxxx
04-21-2014, 10:48 AM
Bless me sisters for I have sinned.

I went off my low carb plan for several days (since Wednesday) and have managed to get back up to 196 this morning. A lot of it is from carbs and I'm sure some of it was from eating ham every day. Lots of water going down the hatch today. No. I've not tested my FBGL lately - I need new strips and there is no drugstore nearby that is open today.

On a brighter note, we are definitely in Spring and I'm hoping to get some in my steps!

I shall now go and sin no more!

lotsakids
04-21-2014, 10:48 AM
Made it through Easter!! Did not eat the potato salad, had my hamburger sans the bun and stayed out of the Easter candy whoot!!

Ruthxxx
04-21-2014, 10:49 AM
But I did manage to avoid Easter candy. (A maple syrup pie isn't candy, is it? ) ;)

Wannabehealthy
04-21-2014, 11:20 AM
Good Morning! Beautiful day out there so far. Hope it stays that way. DH has been sitting on the back porch for about 30 min a day and I think that's helping his recovery. It's slow, but he says he's starting to feel a little better. If we have rain, he will not be able to sit out.

Trish, I decided that yesterday was my carb day for this week. I had my eggs for breakfast. After I put my ham in the oven I made a small portion of potato salad, just enough for DH and I. It turned out to be about a cereal bowl full....just enough. DH didn't eat any, so his is still left. But I did eat some and I had a ham sandwich with my 35 cal multi-grain bread. Honestly, I felt awful the rest of the day. I used to eat like this all the time, but forgot how I used to feel. Stuffed, bloated. The only veggies I had all day were the beets that were in the Beet Horseradish I made and some asparagus. DH wanted asparagus, and right now I'm making anything he asks for because I want him to eat...especially veggies. So now I am back to low carb until next week, when I will try to do a carb day on Tuesday or Wednesday. I am up one lb which I suspect is fluid, but that's how they said it works. You go up, but then after going back to low carb you go down. It better work that way after how terrible I felt yesterday. I took a glimiperide yesterday to counteract the carbs and my BS came down nicely. Yesterday, I filled my pill box for the week and saw that out of 14 doses of glimiperide last week I only took 4. I'm glad I have it when I need it but glad I don't need it on a regular basis. I don't know if that's good or bad. They always tell you to take your meds the way it's prescribed, but I compare this to injecting insulin. You wouldn't inject insulin of your glucose was already low.

Trish, when I was a kid I went to the library in our hometown. After I moved out on my own, that town became a bad area so I wouldn't go there anymore. When I married and moved to this town I joined their library, but it was in the downtown area and only had on-street parking with meters. It was hard to get a parking place and you couldn't stay long because you were putting money in the meter. I was concerned about walking to my car alone so I didn't go for quite a few years. Now they built a new library away from the downtown area with a big parking lot, so I went back and got a card. I don't get my fiction novels from there because I get so many paperbacks given to me by my friend. We trade off and sometimes buy used at flea markets. But when there is a book mentioned that seems interesting to me I look on the library's website and see if they have it. I can put a hold on it, or just go down and get it.

I finally read through the Beat Diabetes Naturally, and although the information was good, it was mostly what I already knew. They were pushing supplements, and you know I am not in favor of supplements. I want to do this naturally. They are calling supplements "natural" as opposed to pharmaceuticals. But when you research online you see all these side effects from supplements that they don't tell you about. On the website for ordering the book from Prevention they were offering a little booklet as a free gift and I think that's where the info was I was looking for. You don't get that with the book from the library. It was about foods to help when you have diabetes and was advertised as having info on the cinnamon and vinegar. I wanted to read that because although I have tried both I don't see much improvement from either and wanted to see what it had to say about it. I have read about it online and it all says it is supposed to work, but I thought maybe I'm doing something wrong. All in all, I'm glad I read the book, but really glad I didn't put out the money to buy it.

The other book was not interesting to me. It was more basic information for someone new to Diabetes. It involved foods that I don't usually eat. I am very happy with my high vegetable plan and wish to continue with that. :broc:

Shannon, I am wondering if there's something you can make ahead and have handy to grab in the morning when you are short on time. Maybe the low carb muffins I posted a while back. I don't know how well they keep. They were mexican flavor, but could probably be adjusted to any flavor you like. It's really hard with little kids. My DIl deals with my 5 year old grandson, the way you do with your daughter. Their needs come first and you have to fit your needs to their schedule.

Rennie, it's good to see you back here. I know you have done well since January because I remember when you started posting here your numbers were closer to mine and you left me in the dust, so to speak! You have done a great job, and I have no doubt that you will get back on track with it. You always gave me incentive to try harder and take things more seriously.

Mad, Ruthie, Kris, Donna and lurkers, come out, come out, where ever you are!:wave:

Shannonsnail
04-21-2014, 12:15 PM
We're back and today is clean the house day so I'll be keeping busy. My house is so bad they might come condemn it! Not really but it's way past my breaking point for sure.

Carol Sue last week I made some egg based muffins the night before I knew we'd have a busy morning but they overcooked so the texture was a little off. I need a grab and go option for busy mornings but haven't found the right one yet. Today we left with me not eating anything and I made my regular breakfast when I got home but I'm sure my BS was rising the whole time so that is not the best.....will have to think about it some more.


I was planning a pot roast for tonight but realized I was missing an important ingredient (have I mentioned I am a horrible meal planner?) so I think it will be tacos instead. They are always my back up plan. I will make a salad with mine.

For those who like Starbucks, I made this copycat yesterday and it was really good! http://www.joyinourjourney.com/1/post/2013/04/healthy-frozen-blended-coffee-frapp-recipe.html

I thought I'd share this pic here....one of my goals is to be able to get my engagement ring back on. I took it off while pregnant in April 2010 and have not been able to get it back on or get my wedding band off since...4 years. I'm not there yet but I think you can tell from this that I'm a tiny bit less puffy. Pardon the dry skin.

love2b150
04-21-2014, 04:17 PM
Trish love the Happy Easter banner :hug:

Shannon in January I gave up bread, pasta, rice, potatoes and sweets/snacks. I loss 10.2lbs. I need to get back to that way of eating because I have obviously loss control so it's time to detox again :) Shannon 14.6lbs is great :carrot: Is that since you've been on 3FC? You're doing great :high: and yes you can see a difference, :woohoo: for being able to wear your engagement ring soon :)

Hi Ruth glad the ice is melting and spring is on the horizon for you :) Maple syrup pie sounds interesting :)

Donna good for you on the Easter candy :)

Thanks Carol Sue, your numbers are better than mine now though :) I'm still trying to get there. I would love to see double digit numbers :) It's funny how we get the different books and read through them only to read what we already knew in the first place :)

Well weight was up some more as suspected 163.8 but that's ok. I will see a better number tomorrow because today is Positively On Point ... so far ;) FBS was better than it has been in a week or so, 117 so that made me smile.

kris2008
04-21-2014, 09:00 PM
Shannon - Your hands look great! I find that even grabbing a hard-boiled egg or a hunk of cheese and maybe an apple will keep me going several hours in the morning.

I am concentrating on always having fat and protein at every meal. Have you noticed how hard it is to find full fat yogurt? Nearly impossible! I was eating Stonyfield but couldn't find any with fat, so I tried the Brown Cow. Really like it!

I received no education with my diagnosis. Did you? I was given a meter though. And what is with the American Diabetes Association guidelines? Really - 45-60 carbs a meal? I sure hope I am remembering that wrong. I have too many friends with dire consequences because they didn't get their Type 2 under control. One did not get any education on diet etc, and thought taking the pills would be enough. He is almost blind in one eye and problems with the other now, on insulin and sugar still out of control. I know we are not all the same but it seems to me that we need to do a better job of education.

Okay rant over.

pattygirl63
04-21-2014, 09:53 PM
A quick flyby to say I'm still here. We have a couple of busy days today and tomorrow. DGS came by after church yesterday and he has decided to go home in June instead of July. He has an opportunity to go to DC with his college class if he can pay for it so he has changed when he is going. This works out better for me because I want to be home in TX to celebrate my Daddy's 91st birthday. I was disappointed when I had to change my plans to go in July and miss it, but now my sister and I can plan a celebration so I can be there. Have to get car serviced etc to get ready.

Carol Sue today was my carby day. We ate out today and I had fish sandwich (didn't eat all the bread and about 5 onion rings. I always drink water. Came home and had snack foods. I really missed my veggies today. I too hope this works, because I too am uncomfortable after eating foods I haven't been eating in a while. Maybe we will find out that we really love eating low carb. :dizzy: That would be a change wouldn't it.

We are taking the car to get new tires, have front end aligned and brakes checked. Haven't had to do that since we bought the car so really need to. So will be eating at a cafeteria close by while waiting. I sure hope I can stay on plan. Haven't eaten there in a while. It is locally owned and last time we ate there it was kind of greasy. So will do my best to stay OP. Surely they will have at least baked fish or chicken and I should be able to have a salad and greens or green beans. So I have my plan.

Shannon Great on on the new low. You are doing really well.

Ruthie We all have those times when we just have to eat off. You will get back OP I'm sure. Glad you are going to be able to get out. I know you are ready.

Donna Great job staying away from the Easter candy. I wanted some jelly beans soooo bad, but I just walked right by them and wouldn't even look at any Easter candy at all. Didn't even go down the isle cause I knew it would call my name.

Rennie Glad you are back and on track again. You'll do good.

Kris I have looked for full fat yogurt here in town and can't find even low fat. Everything even Greek is nonfat.

I'll catch y'all tomorrow.

Shannonsnail
04-21-2014, 10:02 PM
The only place I can find full fat yogurt is Trader Joes. Whole Foods probably has it too. Not sure what you have to choose from down there in New Orleans Kris

Shannonsnail
04-21-2014, 10:07 PM
Trish love the Happy Easter banner :hug:

Shannon in January I gave up bread, pasta, rice, potatoes and sweets/snacks. I loss 10.2lbs. I need to get back to that way of eating because I have obviously loss control so it's time to detox again :) Shannon 14.6lbs is great :carrot: Is that since you've been on 3FC? You're doing great :high: and yes you can see a difference, :woohoo: for being able to wear your engagement ring soon :)


Ok, Rennie so that is what I have been doing also. I was 210.8 the day after Christmas and 208 on March 25 so most of what I've lost has been since the 25th. I got active on 3FC around that same time.

Wannabehealthy
04-22-2014, 09:20 AM
Shanon, I can really see the difference in your hands. I don't think I will ever be able to wear my wedding ring again, but I got new ones and I like them better because they are white gold and the old ones are yellow gold.

Kris, when I was diagnosed, I was in the hospital after my open heart surgery. The nurses didn't even know I hadn't been diabetic before the surgery. They gave me a meter and told me to check my sugar and record it in a little book. They didn't tell me what to do with the information! Then a dietician came and talked to me, but I didn't absorb much of what she said. They DO say to eat 45 gm of carb at each meal and 15 gm of carb with each of 2 daily snacks. I would be shooting up the insulin for sure! LOL

First day home I had a home nurse come in and she showed me how to test. I was so scared, dealing with heart surgery AND diabetes. I learned what I know from posting on forums and asking lots of question, and reading about it.

Rennie, I still get higher numbers sometimes, like this morning at 131, but after the 200's and 300's that is still an improvement. I don't know what I did that caused that. I had some leftover turkey with mushroom soup and the soup probably had too many carbs. Since I ate that, I didn't eat all my veggies I usually eat.

Trish, I think my body is well adjusted to low carb. I really felt terrible when I ate that sandwich and potato salad. That is now definately off my menu! I have really missed my veggies the past few days and can't wait to get back to eating them. They fill me up without the bloat. I still have an occasional piece of toast with my eggs in the morning, usually when I don't have any veggies to mix in with them.

Donna, good job on staying away from the candy and potato salad. I read somewhere that if potatoes are cooked and then refrigerated and served cold (as in potato salad) they lose a lot of their starchy properties. I don't remember exactly where I read it, but it was when I was researching resistant starch. Since anyone can say anything on the internet, I didn't take it to heart and will still be very cautious with potato salad.

Ruthie! Everybody has little slip ups around the holidays. You are no exception. Go, and sin no more!

Wannabehealthy
04-22-2014, 09:43 AM
Here is an article about Resistant Starch. I don't think it's the same article I read previously, but it says basically the same thing. I bought the Bob's Red Mill potato starch and tried it dissolved in water. It has relatively no taste, but it made me really burpy so I quit drinking it. I have used it as a thickening agent in things like chili and tomato sauce, but I don't know if it has the same effect that way. I might try drinking it again. I wonder if I could mix it in with my vinegar/lemon water?

http://rebootedbody.com/resistant-starch/

Another article

http://authoritynutrition.com/resistant-starch-101/

Shannonsnail
04-22-2014, 10:02 AM
Dr appt to get my lab results this morning....stay tuned

Wannabehealthy
04-22-2014, 12:34 PM
Dr appt to get my lab results this morning....stay tuned


Waiting patiently.....hope the results are good!

pattygirl63
04-22-2014, 01:12 PM
Carol Sue - Weight and fbs up some this morning after yesterdays carby eating. Although it wasn't all that high. Up almost 2 lbs and fbs was 123, that isn't too bad. I think it will have to work rrrreeeaaalllyy good for me to do that once a week. I'll see. Sure don't like the way I felt. I started low carb again this morning. I think I like just having an off meal or off snack once in a while better. But I will give this a chance. I have blood work the 28th of this month and doctor's appt the 1st week of June when they will weigh me and do the A1c. Sure don't want to screw that up.

Rennie I like your eating in January. No bread, pasta, sugar, rice or potatoes. That is a really good way to eat.

Shannon You have really worked hard work and hope you get to see good results that show it.

Don't know if we are going to Taco Bell or the cafeteria just hope I can be strong and stay oP.

Ruthie Hope you had a good day yesterday and all is going good today.

Fatmad Where are you? Hope you are ok and just busy. Miss you loads.

BBL

Shannonsnail
04-22-2014, 03:35 PM
Woohoo! My FBS was 101 (been over 7 yrs since I've had a fasting that low at the dr) and my A1c was 6% (down from 6.2% in Dec). The doctor noticed my weight loss as well. Usually I have to return every 4 mths but she is letting me go 6 mths this time before recheck (and complete physical). Success! As a side note, my meter read about 15 pts higher immediately before the draw so maybe the "prime" does run higher than the "micro" (Relion brand meters). I did get the control material and my new strips are within range with the "prime" so the meter is not defective. It's reassuring to know the higher values I have seen on there might have actually been closer to normal if I had been tested in a lab at the same time. My weight was higher at the dr than at home, of course, but it was below 200!

love2b150
04-22-2014, 06:22 PM
Thanks Trish, this thread is just so busy, I just read :)

Kris the only time I was given nutrition classes was in 1997 I forget what insurance I had but I was pregnant with my son and they put me on a diet to control gestational diabetes. Each time afterwards and with different insurance I was told to keep an eye on my sugar intake, don't eat a lot of breads and sweets. That's it. Twice put on insulin and in 2011 out on metformin. But still no classes unless I pay for them myself and they weren't cheap up north and you had to do a series of them.

Shannon it's amazing how cutting those things out does a body good. And once you get them out you don't miss them but if I slip up then it is on :) :yay: Shannon you are doing very well. I'm happy for you :hug:

Carol Sue it was definitely the soup. I like cream of chicken soup and it does that to me each time along with the sodium bloat :) I saw an all time low for this year 108. I was shocked but my carbs were super low for the day. I think it I ate all meat and eggs for a day the numbers would be where they should be but eggs make me gag after two days. Not sure why but I just don't like them the way I use to. I don't care how they are made. Potato salad I can eat only with green beans, greens or peas now. I can't eat it alone and I can only eat a spoon of it (not the huge serving spoon) the spoon we refer to as a tablespoon with the silverware :) Radiojane on another thread was experimenting/using the potato starch she said it made her burpy also. I forget the reason for trying it. I don't need anything else to gas me up. It seems that is all I have since starting this journey this time. Everything I mean everything gives me gas. I haven't drank the vinegar water in awhile. I need to get back to it. The plain lemon water bloats my stomach really bad, but the cucumber, lemon/lime water doesn't.

well I loss .8 of the birthday water/junk but I am bloated from the sodium filled things I've had today. My rings are not tight but they usually twirl around my finger and drive me nuts so I take them off. FBS was great at 108 but like I said I had a great day yesterday. Hope it all continues :D

kris2008
04-22-2014, 10:11 PM
Congrats Shannon! Great news!

pattygirl63
04-22-2014, 10:16 PM
Well, got new tires, front end aligned and they said brakes were fine. Said the brake pads looked new. Only thing left to do before trip in June is to get oil changed. Not really time to have it done, but with the miles we will put on the car, we will do it before we leave.

Ate at the cafeteria and food was not all that great. I got the meatloaf which was fair and the salad with ranch dressing was good (I always like salad). But the greens were a real disappointment. With what the greens cost, I tried to eat them, but there was no way. I honestly believe they had sugar of some sort in them and sweetened greens taste awful. My Mama used to put sweet pickle juice in spinach, but this was not pickle juice. The only good thing is that except for the little bit of greens I did eat, I was pretty much low carb. I came home and checked my bs before I ate dinner and it was 115. I think that is good since the fbs was 123 this morning.

Carol Sue How are you doing on the low carb today? I am starting to crave veggies after my one high carby day. If that makes me eat healthier 6 days after the high carb day, that could be helpful. Did you download the info from the first link you shared? I'm kind of skeptical about adding starches of any kind. What did you think about it? I didn't really have time to do much with it, but will read it tomorrow.

Shannon Great doctor's visit. I am thrilled for your accomplishment.

Rennie, Kris, Donna and others reading :wave:

Wannabehealthy
04-23-2014, 09:48 AM
Shannon, great lab results! You are doing a great job! I never did call for the control solution. I will have to do that soon.

Rennie - Our hospital has a free program for recently diagnosed diabetics. I didn't get to go to it because I was recovering from heart surgery at the same time and going to cardiac rehab. All you needed was a script from your doctor to attend. We did have a small session with a nutritionist at cardiac rehab. I feel if they were going to tell me to eat 45 gm of carb at each meal and 15 at each snack, then I didn't want to go to their sessions. Real people who deal with their own diabetes can give you much more reliable information.

The potato starch is supposed to lower blood sugar and help with weight loss. I tried it for the blood sugar but didn't give it a chance to work after I got so burpy. I really love eggs and eat them daily. I have had them twice a day, too, and that's why I use the egg substitute a lot, so I'm still limiting my egg yolks.

I knew you had a birthday coming up. Did we miss it? If so, Happy Birthday!


Trish, I downloaded the info but it wasn't anything I didn't already know, and it eventually gets to the point that they're selling a program. If I keep getting junk from them I will block them from my email. I just thought the info on resistant starch was interesting. Beans are the primary resistant starch and they help me a lot. I will use up this bag of potato starch that I bought and probably not buy it again. My body has adjusted to the gas from beans, but I couldn't stand that burpiness.

I'm not even sure if I am going to continue this one carb day. I will give it another chance with different carbs. The potato salad and bread were not good choices for me. I just felt terrible. I have eaten pasta and lasagne since I started this low carb plan and haven't had much trouble with it since I keep portions small. I will stick with that and see how it goes. I usually make those 2 meals at least twice a month so I'm going to be eating them anyway.

I am doing well with the plan I've been following and I think I could sustain this for a lifetime, so I'm sticking with it. An occasional carb meal is not going to ruin it for me.

lotsakids
04-23-2014, 10:13 AM
Congrats Shannon! My relion runs higher than the contour too but my A1c didn't reflect either of them. Mine was 7 (avg. of 154 according to some chart I read) which means that my bs is running high at a point I'm not checking. Most of my readings are in the 80 (Contour) - 125 (Relion) range. I am noticing a lot of night trips to the bathroom though and the dry mouth. Not sure what to do about that.

pattygirl63
04-23-2014, 12:27 PM
Carol Sue Interestingly, I've come to the conclusion today that I don't want or need one day a week to be a carb day. I do know from having done Carbohydrate's Addict Diet that a carby meal from time to time will not ruin things for me. So I decided to just do the low carb way of eating. However, I am going to be eating fruit. I liked Rennie's plan. I plan to just eat mostly fruit, non-starchy veggies, protein and fat. I also thought that some beans would not be bad either. Kind of like South Beach. Although I don't want to put a name on my eating plan as a diet, I could almost do SBD except that I don't like eating no fat. I do believe we should be eating healthy fats too, however, I may need to look at the book again as I do believe there are some lowfat foods you can have like dairy products.

I think that I have so much head knowledge of how to eat healthy that I can work out a way of eating that is healthy for me. As long as I can keep my bs under control and have a steady weight loss, I will be happy.

My weight wasn't up as high as it was yesterday, but my fbs was higher. I do think that must have been sugar in those greens plus no telling what else.

Donna I get that dry mouth too. I've learned that it is because I either haven't drank enough water (I know it sounds crazy when you are running to potty so much), but I think it has to do with drinking it spread out throughout the day. Like yesterday, since we were going to be gone in the afternoon, I didn't drink much if any water in the morning. Then I really drank to catch up. Also I finished the coffee I didn't finish yesterday morning. Caffeine is a diuretic even at night and since I take a mild diuretic in the evening, it is really crazy that I drank it at night too. LOL Just my experience that I thought I would share.

Shannonsnail
04-23-2014, 01:59 PM
Thanks everyone for the congrats! I am still stoked! I haven't left a dr appt feeling good about myself in a looonnnggg time! So, the scale is down almost 2 lbs since Monday. I'm getting a tiny bit concerned about how fast I'm losing. But, then I think about how I will likely hit a plateau soon anyway. I'm not counting anything (and don't want to) so I can't say for sure if I'm eating enough but I'm not hungry all the time either.

love2b150
04-23-2014, 02:11 PM
My fbs was up this morning 144 (but it was the pretzels that I had to have last night) I wanted something salty so I ate them. Like always with the high fbs the scale was lower at 162 a pound down. I was talking to my Mother yesterday and we got on the subject of beans. I want to try eating beans daily and see how that works. I just don't want to eat a lot of them. Carol Sue you said your body has gotten use to the beans. About how long do you think it took? How much do you eat a day? and how do you prepare yours? I don't like a lot of season, broth and onion usually are all I need for most veggies I prepare. I'm not a salt person for real food however when I want chips I want chips/pretzels :D I drink a ton of water so I don't have the dry mouth and the bathroom I only go constantly if I eat too many bad carbs. As long as I stay low carb I don't go as often :)

Trish I'm waiting to see watermelon that is a decent price and the right size :)

Shannon don't be too concerned, from my experience you lose fast in the beginning and then it slows down ... just ride it out. Because it will eventually slow down as your body adjust and gets use to it and the .5's will start to annoy you :) Even when I eat off plan and start to eat right again I lose well for a few days then the .2 & .4's start to be all I see ... but as long as I've been on 3FC I have heard slow and steady so I TRY to keep smiling :)

Wannabehealthy
04-23-2014, 03:53 PM
Shannon, I agree with Rennie. Enjoy this rapid weight loss, because it's not going to last forever! Low carb can make you drop really fast in the beginning. Many times Trish and I have said we want to eat like normal people. They don't count anything...they eat when they are hungry and stop when they are satisfied. As long as you are not going hungry and are losing weight, I wouldn't change anything.

Donna - I don't know when you're testing, but I suggest that you focus on 1hr, 2hr, and 3 hr post prandial, and also 3AM if you have the opportunity to be awake at that time. Not everyone spikes at 2 hr PP. Some sooner, some later and it can depend on what you've eaten. I have always heard that fasting is the last to go down and if you're getting good fasting readings the rest of your readings are good, also, but apparently that is not true in your case. You might be eating something that is spiking you that you don't realize or a certain meal might be bigger portion sizes, which would spike also. Another thing I do is test before a meal. If I am higher than I should be, I make that meal very low carb. It can get expensive testing that often and your fingers can get really sore. I just went through that for a couple weeks when I was trying to bring my readings down. It could also be the timing of your exercise. A 15 min walk after dinner helps me.

Trish, I also prefer to just stay on low carb but was only going to try this to see if it helped with my rash. I can't really say that I miss the carbs. I miss the veggies more. My eating plan has no name. Low carb is as close as I can get to a name. I eat eggs, fish, meat and vegetables. I don't know which vegetables etc are good on which plan. For example, I am making meatloaf for tonight. I consider that meat. I don't count the bread crumbs that are in it. It's minimal at best. The same with chicken. I don't make fried chicken, but if I eat it out, I don't worry about the breading or batter on the outside.

Rennie, you have to go really slow with beans. Some produce more gas than others. I had trouble with lentils. pain. But now I'm using black beans and don't have a problem. That book I read about the vegetables said to aim for 2 C per day. Don't even THINK about that! LOL I would say it took a few weeks to a month for my body to get used to them. I was eating more before. Right now I have been buying a can of black beans, rinsing them and freezing them in snack bags in 1/4 C portions. All the little bags go into a bigger freezer bag. Each day I take out 1 bag and let it defrost. I put some of them in my scrambled eggs, or in my greens I cook for lunch, or in a tossed salad. So that's 1/4 C per day. I feel that I could increase my portion, but right now I'm getting some beans into my diet with little side effects. No abdominal pain...just a little toot now and then. LOL You can increase as your feel comfortable.

When I first started low carb, I had one day that I was in the bathroom every 15 minutes and about 5 times during the night. I thought something was seriously wrong with me! The next day I was down 4 lbs. That's how much fluid I had been retaining without realizing it. I didn't seem to have any puffiness. At that time, my rings would not move and were hard to get off. Now they are looser. They are not to the point that it's bothering me, but I have had that happen. My diamond kept flipping around to the bottom. Annoying, but always a good sign! Sometimes I get dry mouth. I don't drink as much water as I should. I have to remind myself. Sometimes I crave water so much I guzzle a whole bottle.

love2b150
04-23-2014, 05:47 PM
Thanks Carol Sue, I'm gonna try a half of a cup a day starting tomorrow and see how that goes. I do like black beans and navy/great northern beans. I made some pinto beans so I will use those until they are gone or until they go bad. :) When I eat meat loaf I don't count the bread crumbs either. With the chicken we always buy skinless chicken so to me the batter is quite minimal any way :) LOL I hate it when the ring rolls around my finger but in the same instance it's so rewarding :) 4lbs whoosh I'd be ecstatic :)

Mom2TCS
04-23-2014, 08:22 PM
Hello everyone! So sorry it's been so long. Have been reading on work breaks but never able to sit down and post. For right now though, no work is waiting for me so I'm taking advantage of the rare quiet time before dinner and running my oldest to the trolley station so he can get to work....never a dull moment. :-)

Still plugging along and staying within calorie limits. Watching carbs but still consuming (I'm so impressed by those of you sticking by low-carb religiously! Hoping to get there one day. :-)) Had my follow up appointment at the beginning of the month...was down a few pounds from my prior visit (but of course it was one of those days where the scale had bounced up a couple of pounds so it wasn't AS impressive, and then of course the scale dropped back down the day after LOL). He was pleased, though. A1c didn't drop nearly as much as I was looking forward to (7.0 to 6.9) but he said it tipped the balance in my favor and kept me off of starting metformin, so that was a plus. Working to bring that down more before my next appointment so I can do this with diet alone. The Lipitor he put me on last time worked wonders on my lipid profile! LDL went from 116 to 40, triglycerides from 140 to 50, Non-HDL cholesterol from 144 to 60, and Chol/HDL ratio from 4.3 to 2.0. HDL only rose 5 points, but at least it was headed in the right direction. :-) Overall, a good visit, and I don't got back until August, so I'm looking forward to continuing the journey and to see where I can be by then!

Weight loss has been pretty slow, and I came thisclose to hitting the next decade (for a week I saw 160.6, 160.4, 160.4, 160.2, 160.0 (REALLY?? Couldn't just see 0.2 less just once? LOL), 160.8, and 160.2.....so close! Then the long work weekend hit and I gained 2.4 pounds in fluid retention from the ridiculous amount of hours spent at my computer. Oh well.....stayed on plan, even with Easter (though even with small portion sizes of 1/2 C each, the carb count was a lot higher than I expected!), and I ignored all Easter candy, so I'm pretty happy with myself. Especially those late night work hours when I used to turn to sugary carbs to keep myself awake but now find other things to eat. Once I lose the other half of the weekend weight I'll be back to a 10-pound loss so far. Thankfully, it's all keeping me motivated, as is using MFP. Sure keeps me accountable, and as my doctor said, "nearly every plan will work, but not kust because of the plan - it's the fact that you are aware and thinking about the choices you make." Definitely some truth to that!

Looks like personal comments will have to wait...need to go get dinner started so my oldest gets out of here on time for work! Take care....and I'll try not to be such a lurker. :-)

Shannonsnail
04-24-2014, 12:44 AM
Thanks girls for the encouragement! I just worry sometimes more about what others might be thinking when they hear my info. I know at some point this is going to turn into a battle of wills and I am going to have to really work. I'm just going to keep enjoying this low hanging fruit while it's available! I'm kind of dreading when the change occurs though....but let's think happy thoughts.

I tried my engagement ring tonight just for fun since we had been talking about that recently and was delighted to see it is getting closer to fitting again! The pic on left is from January. I also decided to sneek a peak at my measurements because I was hearing a cake call my name (all the way from the store I guess) and thought I should remind myself of my progress to encourage my ears to ignore the cake and I am down almost 2 inches in both my waist and hips!

Shannonsnail
04-24-2014, 12:48 AM
Hello everyone! So sorry it's been so long. Have been reading on work breaks but never able to sit down and post. For right now though, no work is waiting for me so I'm taking advantage of the rare quiet time before dinner and running my oldest to the trolley station so he can get to work....never a dull moment. :-)

Still plugging along and staying within calorie limits. Watching carbs but still consuming (I'm so impressed by those of you sticking by low-carb religiously! Hoping to get there one day. :-)) Had my follow up appointment at the beginning of the month...was down a few pounds from my prior visit (but of course it was one of those days where the scale had bounced up a couple of pounds so it wasn't AS impressive, and then of course the scale dropped back down the day after LOL). He was pleased, though. A1c didn't drop nearly as much as I was looking forward to (7.0 to 6.9) but he said it tipped the balance in my favor and kept me off of starting metformin, so that was a plus. Working to bring that down more before my next appointment so I can do this with diet alone. The Lipitor he put me on last time worked wonders on my lipid profile! LDL went from 116 to 40, triglycerides from 140 to 50, Non-HDL cholesterol from 144 to 60, and Chol/HDL ratio from 4.3 to 2.0. HDL only rose 5 points, but at least it was headed in the right direction. :-) Overall, a good visit, and I don't got back until August, so I'm looking forward to continuing the journey and to see where I can be by then!

Weight loss has been pretty slow, and I came thisclose to hitting the next decade (for a week I saw 160.6, 160.4, 160.4, 160.2, 160.0 (REALLY?? Couldn't just see 0.2 less just once? LOL), 160.8, and 160.2.....so close! Then the long work weekend hit and I gained 2.4 pounds in fluid retention from the ridiculous amount of hours spent at my computer. Oh well.....stayed on plan, even with Easter (though even with small portion sizes of 1/2 C each, the carb count was a lot higher than I expected!), and I ignored all Easter candy, so I'm pretty happy with myself. Especially those late night work hours when I used to turn to sugary carbs to keep myself awake but now find other things to eat. Once I lose the other half of the weekend weight I'll be back to a 10-pound loss so far. Thankfully, it's all keeping me motivated, as is using MFP. Sure keeps me accountable, and as my doctor said, "nearly every plan will work, but not kust because of the plan - it's the fact that you are aware and thinking about the choices you make." Definitely some truth to that!

Looks like personal comments will have to wait...need to go get dinner started so my oldest gets out of here on time for work! Take care....and I'll try not to be such a lurker. :-)

Hi Darcy! I'm new on this board so we haven't "met". Sounds like you are making alot of great progress!! Hope we'll keep hearing more from you!

Wannabehealthy
04-24-2014, 09:05 AM
Shannon, that's a beautiful ring, and it's over the knuckle! I'm afraid to force a ring over a knuckle for fear it will get stuck! LOL When we bought our rings DH told me I had to buy it tight so I wouldn't gain weight. I was only 130 lbs back then. Should have known that trick wasn't going to work.

2 inches! I'm down 1/2 inch in my waist and I'm thinking I could just be pulling the tape measure tighter.

Darcy, Your lab results are awesome. I know you can bring your A1c down a little lower. Metformin is not such a big deal and helps some with weight loss, but you're right to avoid it if you can. I know it's hard to get some "me" time when you have kids, but come here when you can. We love hearing from you.

Rennie, you might want to try 1/4 C of bean the first day or two. I know it doesn't sound like much, but see how your body is going to handle them. One of these days I'm going to cook some beans from dried, but they do say that canned are just about as good for you as dry. I just use the canned because DH doesn't eat them much. When I make chili he doesn't want a lot of beans in it so I either cook some extra beans in a separate pot for me, or I mash up the beans with a fork so he doesn't see them in there. Lie to my husband? Never! LOL (He also doesn't know I put Miralax in his jello and that's what got him through this recent bout of constipation! )

Edit: I just thought of something else. If you like Hummus, it's made from garbonzo beans, and makes a great snack with celery sticks or peppers.

No Trish yet this morning. I guess I'm the early bird out of the group. I went to bed really early last night.

I haven't been eating my kale lately as I've had so many other veggies around to eat. Yesterday, it was on sale for 89 cents a pound so I bought a big bunch. It looked very fresh. My body is going to be so happy to get the kale again. I have to remember to throw some black beans in with it. Yummy Yummy. I miss it.

Wannabehealthy
04-24-2014, 10:04 AM
The last 2 books I borrowed from the library were not helpful to me. I'm glad I didn't spend money on them. I don't know how I got on this mailing list, must have signed up at one time, but I got an email from Michelle May MD. She is the author of Eat What You Love, Love What You Eat, and now I see there is a book out Eat What You Love, Love What You Eat for Diabetics. I checked the library website and they can get it for me from another library, so I ordered it. Her program is break the eat, repent, repeat cycle. The book is free from the library and sometimes I hit on something that hits home for me. Can't wait to see what information it gives.

Shannonsnail
04-24-2014, 03:09 PM
Good afternoon! Just checking in to say hi! Not much going on over here. I attempted to bake a low carb, gluten free bread to use for a lunch sandwich but it just was not that great so lunch was kind of disappointing. Oh well! Lol! I need to run to Sams Club this afternoon before we run out of toilet paper! I also have no clue what I am making for dinner. It's that kind of day!

pattygirl63
04-24-2014, 03:50 PM
Darcy WELCOME!!! You are doing really well. Great doctors appt results. I also use MFP. It helps me keep up with what I am doing.

Carol Sue I'm still here. Just late checking in. I got up a little earlier this morning, but morning seemed to flyby. DS called and we made up for no talk yesterday. He is so good to call me almost everyday when he is on the road. I haven't kale lately either although I still have it in the freezer. You may have got the email from Michelle May when we were on IE. Carolr mentioned her and posted some of her articles on there a lot at one time. I still get email from her website from time to time.

I am just counting calories right now. Mainly because I am at that place that I usually get to with such a low low carb diet. I am absolutely bored and can't stand the thought of eating any more meat of any kind. Salads have lost their place in my life because they leave me with too much burpiness. So I'm just counting calories for a while. I am choosing no rules except IE rules of "Hungry? Eat what you really love... eat only as much as it takes to reach satisfaction and Stop eating. Not hungry? Don't eat just because the clock says it is time." I think I have to do things this way for now.

I got up this morning and wanted fruit so I had 1/2 small banana and 3 strawberries mixed with 1/2 c Greek yogurt with Stevia for sweetening. Wasn't a whole lot, but it hit the spot. I think now that it is spring time, I will quit eating the eggs for a while and eat fruit and yogurt. I ate a good lunch and I am so satisfied that I may not even want dinner. So if I don't want a meal, I won't have one.

Now I am going to go ride the stationary bike. I will catch y'all again later.

Donna, Rennie, Ruth, Shannon and others reading :wave:

Shannonsnail
04-24-2014, 07:50 PM
Trish i eat my two egg omelet everyday but yes, now that it is warming up I may need to find other options. I also feel mildly bored by low carb even though it's only been a month. Tonight we decided to go to Chick Fil A and I was considering getting an old (high carb) favorite but in the end I decided on a salad with fruit and nuts.

pattygirl63
04-24-2014, 08:31 PM
Trish i eat my two egg omelet everyday but yes, now that it is warming up I may need to find other options. I also feel mildly bored by low carb even though it's only been a month. Tonight we decided to go to Chick Fil A and I was considering getting an old (high carb favorite) but in the end I decided on a salad with fruit and nuts.

Good job and choice you made Shannon. Proud of you. I guess I was so satisfied with lunch that I haven't even been hungry so far this evening. I can always have scrambled eggs later if I need it. I will just have to carefully ride this mood out and really watch the calories until my body decides it wants the low carb eating again.

Wannabehealthy
04-24-2014, 09:12 PM
Trish, I was concerned when you weren't on here today, but I know sometimes you get busy.

My blood pressure was up this morning. So I got on the scale and my weight is up too, and also my BS. Must have had a bad day yesterday. I took a glimiperide and now after dinner it's 108. I'm getting tired of blaming my weight on fluid retention. I WAS eating leftover ham from Easter which I don't usually eat. The ham is gone now. There's still some turkey left that I will finish tomorrow, but it doesn't have the sodium content that the ham had. I only make ham on Christmas and Easter, so that's it for the next 8 months. LOL I am not bored with low carb yet. My weight isn't falling off the way I would like, but my BS is so much lower than it was, and as long as I keep my eating under control it will stay that way. I didn't like the way I felt after eating those carbs on Easter. I have to get more exercise and drink more water. I have to get back to tracking so I'll know when I'm overeating.

This morning I changed things up and made 2 deviled eggs. Lunch was Kale with mushrooms, onions, garlic and beans. Then I had some turkey with tomato slices and mayo. If I had thought of it I would have used a lettuce leaf and made it a wrap. I could have put some beans in that too.

We went to WalMart and Dh wanted Long John Silvers but I didn't so we got his to go and when we came home I ate a half piece of his fish, with some carrots and brussels sprouts. It was a good low carb day, but a little too much food for lunch.

Shannon, Good job on choosing the salad!

By the way, when my husband went to the DR for his shingles he weighed 219. Today he was 206. He's down 13 lbs! I should start eating what he's eating!!! And it all came off his gut!!

Shannonsnail
04-24-2014, 09:47 PM
Wow Carol Sue he dropped that quick! Men can do that though. I used to reception at Weight Watchers after I reached my lifetime status many years ago. I was always amazed at the drops the men had. It was nothing to regularly see a 10 lb weekly loss. Crazy! So, I bought some kale today. I have no idea what to do with it! Pinterest, here I come, lol! Oh, and I think you might have better results if you up your water intake. Ham is really salty!

pattygirl63
04-24-2014, 11:02 PM
My sister and her hubby both go to Weight Watchers and he has already reached goal and made Lifetime membership. Really ticked her off as she has such a tough time losing anything. She has had lap band surgery and still can't get her weight down.

A quick flyby to say that my day has gone very well. I've 1379 calories and my fiber is 28g. Carbs were up to 170 g and sodium real low. Wasn't shooting for any particular goal of anything. Only ate when I was hungry and ate only what I really wanted. I even felt like doing all my exercise today. So I'm pleased with the results even though the carbs are high. I'll see how it affects weight and fbs in the morning.

Good night.

Wannabehealthy
04-25-2014, 08:33 AM
Last night my BS was 109, this morning 111. With numbers like that after all those 200s and 300s I was having, there's no way I can give up low carb! I know I will have carbs once in a while, but not on a daily basis and it will be planned. This is my new lifetime eating plan.

Shannon - Kale is the number one food for nutritional value. This is why I started eating it. It took me 68 years to try it. There are a lot of recipes using kale. You can use it in a salad along with lettuce and other greens, but it's a little tough for me. Here's what I do. I cut out the stem, chop it up and put it in a colander in the sink full of cold water and swish it around to clean it. If you don't, it will have sand in it. If you bought it bagged already cleaned you don't have to do that. In the meantime, I saute some chopped onion and garlic in some butter or chicken broth, if you want to avoid the butter. When they are almost done, I add some sliced mushrooms. When that all cooks down a bit, I add the chopped kale. Turn the heat to low, put a lid on and let it simmer until the kale is well wilted. Add a little bit of water or chicken broth or it will burn and stick to the pan. I learned that. LOL This will take around 20 minutes, and the kale will still be a little crunchy. When it's almost done I add a sprinkling of black beans. After I plate it up, I sprinkle on some crumbled Feta Cheese when I have it.

Since you are in the south, y'all, there are a lot of recipes that use fat back pork, ham hocks or bacon, but since I am eating this for the health benefits, I can't see putting that in there. Being a yankee, kale is not something I grew up eating, so I don't know the difference. Sometimes I buy other greens, such as collard greens, or turnip greens and mix that in, but usually the bunches at the store are so big that if I buy 2 or 3 kinds then I have too much and it goes bad. Trish said she freezes hers. I will have to find out how she does that.

Trish, I think you can make your calorie plan work for you as you have done this in the past. Low Carb is not for everyone. If you really miss the carbs it's hard to stick to, but you know you can always go back to it in the future if you want to. That's what's nice about our thread. We let everyone do their own thing and support them just the same. There are some things I will want from time to time. Like a tuna salad sandwich, and for that I have my Nickles 35 bread in the freezer. I will eat it and move on. I will also be making spaghetti or lasagne once a month like I always do. And when DH wants rice pilaf I will eat some. It's one of my favorites. But he can keeps his potatoes and sweets as they don't call my name at all. As long as I do low carb 90% of the time I will consider myself to be OP. I will choose my carbs very carefully, based on what I really like and not just eat them indiscriminately like I used to.

Now I have to check my blood pressure and weight and see if they improved also!

Shannonsnail
04-25-2014, 12:12 PM
Good morning gals!

BS was 126 before bed (had some trail mix) and 117 this morning. It's kind of hard for me to get back to testing knowing my meter runs high but I should probably try to.

So, today is my one month anniversary for restart! It seems like it's been a year, lol. I decided to check all my measurements today to celebrate. I had kind of loosely checked them a couple weeks ago but I wrote them down today. It is kind of hard to get an accurate chest measurement (through the fullest area) because my boobs are just saggy bags but I did my best.

So, drumroll.....
Waist lost 3 7/8 in
Hips lost 1 5/8 in
Bra band area lost 1 7/8 in
Chest lost 1 1/2 in
Thigh lost 1 in
Bicep same

I think this just goes to show how much bloat/fat was on my body especially in the waist. My clothes still fit (just better). Honestly all my clothes are old. I left my job 2 yrs ago and have barely purchased anything in that time so my old clothes were probably too small and had just stretched as I grew. Now I've lost enough that I actually fit in them again without them digging in me. Also, I still wear alot of my maternity shirts (the kind that look like reg shirts just are roomier in the middle). Used to, I looked pregnant in them bc my belly stuck out but now they hang straight down. My weight today is 194 so down 16.8 from my highest known weight and down 14 from my restart weight a month ago so I lost 14 lbs in a month, woohoo!

pattygirl63
04-25-2014, 12:16 PM
Got up this morning and wanted my eggs and bacon. I had them with the double fiber and Polaner with fiber SF preserves. I think I can handle that much fiber earlier in the day with no real problem. I use extra virgin pure Coconut oil on my toast and I had my fruit as well. A large breakfast, but I've heard that it keeps you satisfied better for the day. Strange how I never liked breakfast as a child or young person, but we change through the years. A lot of foods I loved back then I don't care for now and vice versa.

I have m plan for today and the calories will be less than 1300 hundred and fiber is 25 so I think I've found my range for the fiber as well. Carbs count is better today a little above 100 g. So I think I've got it figured out for me. I lost the 1.2 lb that I gained yesterday and my fbs was 113. So that works for me.

Carol Sue I still have to be careful of the carbs that I do eat and be sure I eat only a small portion of them or it leaves me sleepy. I am adding what carbs I eat at breakfast and lunch, but since DH doesn't really care a lot for bread unless on sandwich or hamburger, I don't have to worry about that much. However, we both do like corn, green peas and carrots which you cannot have on most low carb diets. So I'll eat my double fiber toast (he does like toast with breakfast on Sunday) to help keep system working since powdered fiber does nothing for me. I also plan to slowly incorporate some beans into my plan, but will not do that just yet since I've just re-introduced the double fiber and Polaner back into my plan. My carby eating will just be at breakfast. It will be rare to have bready stuff later except for the occasional day out for a hamburger. :)

I do love tuna salads so I think I will start eating tuna or salmon salads again at dinner. Spring and summer does seem to be the time for salads. I've been trying to figure out what I can do about eating on trip and I think tuna is something I can do. You have to be careful, but many times you can get it in grocery stores already made up. String cheese, peanut butter and apples will be good for the car.

As for freezing kale, I just purchase mine frozen when I can't get good fresh. I clean mine the same way Carol Sue. I have a salad spinner and it squeezes the leaves pretty dry. Thinking of salads. I used to love my little salad shooter I had years ago. I haven't seen them in years and wonder if the even make them any more. Sure made it easy to make salads.

I got up late so I guess I had better get busy around here. My son will be calling soon and I want to get a few things before he calls. DGS may be here this week end. One more week on campus and he will be staying here for the summer.

Have a great day.

pattygirl63
04-25-2014, 12:21 PM
Good morning gals!

BS was 126 before bed (had some trail mix) and 117 this morning. It's kind of hard for me to get back to testing knowing my meter runs high but I should probably try to.

So, today is my one month anniversary for restart! It seems like it's been a year, lol. I decided to check all my measurements today to celebrate. I had kind of loosely checked them a couple weeks ago but I wrote them down today. It is kind of hard to get an accurate chest measurement (through the fullest area) because my boobs are just saggy bags but I did my best.

So, drumroll.....
Waist lost 3 7/8 in
Hips lost 1 5/8 in
Bra band area lost 1 7/8 in
Chest lost 1 1/2 in
Thigh lost 1 in
Bicep same

I think this just goes to show how much bloat/fat was on my body especially in the waist. My clothes still fit (just better). Honestly all my clothes are old. I left my job 2 yrs ago and have barely purchased anything in that time so my old clothes were probably too small and had just stretched as I grew. Now I've lost enough that I actually fit in them again without them digging in me. Also, I still wear alot of my maternity shirts (the kind that look like reg shirts just are roomier in the middle). Used to, I looked pregnant in them bc my belly stuck out but now they hang straight down. My weight today is 194 so down 16.8 from my highest known weight and down 14 from my restart weight a month ago so I lost 14 lbs in a month, woohoo!

Guess you were typing while I was Shannon. :cp::bravo::cp: You are doing super great!!! Marvelous work. So proud of you girl. :hug:

silentarctic
04-25-2014, 02:44 PM
Hey Guys , so I don't know if I should join in here, maybe there is a Pre-D thread somewhere that i should be a part of. I'm trying to be positive but it's hard at the moment. But basically from my last bloodwork I am a fraction of a decimal apoint away from a diabetes diagnosis. And basically need to adjust my diet and lifestyle accordingly. I'm sort of frustrated because I have already been losing weight and trying to amp up my activity level. Ironically I'm down almost 25lbs and have worse bloodwork... go figure.

Shannonsnail
04-25-2014, 02:50 PM
Guess you were typing while I was Shannon. :cp::bravo::cp: You are doing super great!!! Marvelous work. So proud of you girl. :hug:

Thank you Trish!

Shannonsnail
04-25-2014, 02:57 PM
Hey Guys , so I don't know if I should join in here, maybe there is a Pre-D thread somewhere that i should be a part of. I'm trying to be positive but it's hard at the moment. But basically from my last bloodwork I am a fraction of a decimal apoint away from a diabetes diagnosis. And basically need to adjust my diet and lifestyle accordingly. I'm sort of frustrated because I have already been losing weight and trying to amp up my activity level. Ironically I'm down almost 25lbs and have worse bloodwork... go figure.
Welcome! I am Pre-D too and I don't think there is a separate thread so please join us! Great job - almost 25 lbs! :carrot: I found out in late December that I was about to go over the cliff into a D diagnosis after 7 years of Pre-D. I toyed around with changing my eating in Jan but gave up and regained what I lost. I restarted a month ago with drastic changes (eliminating soda, sweets, pasta, rice, potatoes, high glycemic fruits, bread) and have seen really great weight loss and improvement in FBS, post prandial readings and Hgb A1c. I attended a Pre-D nutrition class 7 years ago and the amount of carbs "allowed" was way higher than what I am currently eating. I've also added a lot more fat to my diet (coconut oil, nuts, avocado). These things seem to be working for me. I plan to start adding exercise in a month, maybe sooner if my weight loss doesn't slow. I discussed with my dr and she was in agreement. 75-80% of weight loss is diet so I want to be very firmly entrenched in my dietary changes before adding anything that will affect my appetite. This group has been very encouraging and helpful to me!

Shannonsnail
04-25-2014, 03:06 PM
Got up this morning and wanted my eggs and bacon. I had them with the double fiber and Polaner with fiber SF preserves. I think I can handle that much fiber earlier in the day with no real problem. I use extra virgin pure Coconut oil on my toast and I had my fruit as well. A large breakfast, but I've heard that it keeps you satisfied better for the day. Strange how I never liked breakfast as a child or young person, but we change through the years. A lot of foods I loved back then I don't care for now and vice versa.

I have m plan for today and the calories will be less than 1300 hundred and fiber is 25 so I think I've found my range for the fiber as well. Carbs count is better today a little above 100 g. So I think I've got it figured out for me. I lost the 1.2 lb that I gained yesterday and my fbs was 113. So that works for me.

Carol Sue I still have to be careful of the carbs that I do eat and be sure I eat only a small portion of them or it leaves me sleepy. I am adding what carbs I eat at breakfast and lunch, but since DH doesn't really care a lot for bread unless on sandwich or hamburger, I don't have to worry about that much. However, we both do like corn, green peas and carrots which you cannot have on most low carb diets. So I'll eat my double fiber toast (he does like toast with breakfast on Sunday) to help keep system working since powdered fiber does nothing for me. I also plan to slowly incorporate some beans into my plan, but will not do that just yet since I've just re-introduced the double fiber and Polaner back into my plan. My carby eating will just be at breakfast. It will be rare to have bready stuff later except for the occasional day out for a hamburger. :)

I do love tuna salads so I think I will start eating tuna or salmon salads again at dinner. Spring and summer does seem to be the time for salads. I've been trying to figure out what I can do about eating on trip and I think tuna is something I can do. You have to be careful, but many times you can get it in grocery stores already made up. String cheese, peanut butter and apples will be good for the car.

As for freezing kale, I just purchase mine frozen when I can't get good fresh. I clean mine the same way Carol Sue. I have a salad spinner and it squeezes the leaves pretty dry. Thinking of salads. I used to love my little salad shooter I had years ago. I haven't seen them in years and wonder if the even make them any more. Sure made it easy to make salads.

I got up late so I guess I had better get busy around here. My son will be calling soon and I want to get a few things before he calls. DGS may be here this week end. One more week on campus and he will be staying here for the summer.

Have a great day.

Trish, I really think increasing my breakfast has been instrumental in my success this past month. Before I ate a bowl of honey nut cheerios every morning (occasionally I would have yogurt with granola instead).....both higher carb options and the cheerios were not very filling at all. I often found myself immediately starting to snack after dinner and I think it was because of how long it was in the day before I was getting more filling foods. I often didn't eat anything if we were running late and had to be somewhere in the morning. I feel like I've made a 180 degree change.

I'm staring at the kale, lol!

Shannonsnail
04-25-2014, 04:08 PM
Mmm! Kale chips

Wannabehealthy
04-25-2014, 04:18 PM
Welcome Silentarctic. We are glad to have you here. Our little family is growing.

Trish, I eat corn, peas and carrots. Mostly I eat them when I have mixed vegetables. I eat fresh carrots when I have carrots and brussels sprouts. For some reason, I love that combination. I realize they are considered higher carb, but I eat all vegetables. When I read that book by Joel Fuhrman he said the fiber and nutrients in those vegetables far outweigh the higher calorie/carb count. I eat beets, too, but not very often. This might be what is keeping me from losing faster, but it doesn't seem to be effecting my blood sugar. As I have said before, I am not on any particular low carb diet. I am on my own plan where I omit or limit the amount of starchy carbs I eat.

Shannonsnail
04-26-2014, 11:25 AM
Good morning! We ended up ordering Asian food last night instead of going out to the fish fry. We had a storm come up with high winds and hail. Earlier this year we had a dear friend killed by a falling tree in a similar storm so I'm a lot more cautious now when storms arise. The storm was over by the time the food came so don't worry, the poor delivery guy wasn't out in it either. Anyway, all that to say my scale is up so I'm drinking water like gangbusters today, lol!

Trying to decide what to do today. The hubby is on a hunting trip he won....expecting pheasants tonight....yuck! He doesn't normally hunt so this will be interesting.

Wannabehealthy
04-26-2014, 03:46 PM
Tastes like chicken! LOL

Shannonsnail
04-26-2014, 11:13 PM
Tastes like chicken! LOL
He brought home breasts from 6 quail. Thank God they were already cleaned, etc. He wants to grill them tomorrow. I really prefer not knowing anything about the animals I eat!

Well, today was not good....I ate waaayyyy off plan lunch and dinner. We're talking bread, french fries, more bread, more potatoes, more bread.....tomorrow I sincerely look forward to 1) NOT weighing and 2) getting back on plan

Wannabehealthy
04-27-2014, 08:28 AM
Shannon, the past couple days have been bad for me, too. They say Pride Goeth Before a Fall. I was proud of my success, but I have fallen in a big way. It's time to put my big girl pants back on (no pun intended) and resume low carb. No looking back. That's over. When I got a 190 FBG this morning I realized that is not what I want. It was the bread. It's always the bread. I can turn my back on sweets, rice, potatoes or pasta, but once I eat a slice of bread I'm a goner. I need to get that fact firmly embedded in my brain.

I hope you liked the quail.

pattygirl63
04-27-2014, 10:00 AM
A quick flyby this morning. Just to say :wave: hello. I will write more later.

I'm doing something a little different while I'm in this slump of not wanting to cook or whatever. I'm doing "my own way" of the Dr. Anderson's The Simple Diet. I'm drinking two Atkins shakes... 1 with fruit and one plain, and 2 meals a day. I make DH and my main meal each day and then have a WW Smart Ones or some other healthy tv dinner. Just started it yesterday so I'll let y'all know how it goes. My fbs was going up again too. It was 139 yesterday morning and is back down to 124 today after eating this way yesterday. Yesterday was a high carb day because we had pizza. So it was good to see that the fbs came down any way. One thing about TSD is that it requires you to eat minimum of 5 veggies and fruits. Some on the thread here on 3fc make their own tv dinners and I may do that eventually. Right now I just need the structure of right portions etc.

Headed out to church so I'll BBL.

Wannabehealthy
04-27-2014, 11:41 AM
Trish, I think it's a good idea to make your own frozen dinners. Many people cook all day Sunday, making different meals for their families, then just have to defrost them each day and heat them up. It's great for people who work, and also for those like you who get into a funk about not wanting to cook. It happens, especially when you have difficulty decided what to make. My husband won't eat something that was made ahead and frozen, even though I tell him that's what he's getting when he eats in a restaurant. They don't stop and cook a roast when he orders a pot roast sandwich. LOL

Shannon, today I am going to the library to return the 2 books I have and I'm going to get Wheat Belly. I checked online and they have it. I know I saw it at Goodwill at one time but I checked yesterday and it was gone. I know I am not going to give up wheat 100%. I will still use bread crumbs in my meatloaf and such. But I want to read it to get ideas, and reinforce my reasons for not including it in my diet on an every day basis. There's another book I requested from another library and they might have it by now.

Shannonsnail
04-27-2014, 12:47 PM
Trish, I think it's a good idea to make your own frozen dinners. Many people cook all day Sunday, making different meals for their families, then just have to defrost them each day and heat them up. It's great for people who work, and also for those like you who get into a funk about not wanting to cook. It happens, especially when you have difficulty decided what to make. My husband won't eat something that was made ahead and frozen, even though I tell him that's what he's getting when he eats in a restaurant. They don't stop and cook a roast when he orders a pot roast sandwich. LOL

Shannon, today I am going to the library to return the 2 books I have and I'm going to get Wheat Belly. I checked online and they have it. I know I saw it at Goodwill at one time but I checked yesterday and it was gone. I know I am not going to give up wheat 100%. I will still use bread crumbs in my meatloaf and such. But I want to read it to get ideas, and reinforce my reasons for not including it in my diet on an every day basis. There's another book I requested from another library and they might have it by now.

Carol Sue, I have it and the cookbook. Recently a 30 minute meals cookbook came out too but I haven't seen it. This is kind of comical. I bought them both for my mom for Christmas a couple years ago because my brother told me she said she was going gluten free. My brother and his wife went to Whole Foods and bought her this huge assortment of GF foods. So, it's Christmas day and we present her with these gifts. My mom is a health nut, literally has hundreds of health related books and cookbooks....like three tall bookcases in one room, two bookshelves in the kitchen and three more bookshelves in the living room. Because she has so many she tries not to buy anymore. She looks at us with this fake smile and is all "how nice!", all the while looking like a deer in headlights. Finally I say "Shane said you were going gluten free and we wanted to support you" and she says "what is gluten?" She ended up gicing them to me.

pattygirl63
04-27-2014, 02:18 PM
Selentarctic WELCOME!!! I'm sure you were shocked when you were told your blood sugar was so near being diagnosed diabetic. Congratulations on the 25 lbs you've already lost as you are already on the right track. Exercise will be a big help. I keep up with my calories on My Fitness Pal (my doctor told me about it and recommended it) and I love the fact that I can keep up with exercise there. It helped me to see that even housework could be counted as exercise. It helps has helped me to become more active. I count everything that can be counted even light housework. That goes in everyday 1st thing so I know I will do the things around my house that needs to be done. However, I still exercise using my recumbent bike at least 4 days a week for 27 minutes. I do 27 minutes because it takes me that long to ride 3 miles. When I slack on the exercise, the fbs rises a bit, but goes back down with the exercise. Good luck on your journey so you will never have to have the diagnoses.

Today we came home from church and I didn't want eggs mainly because I want to see how much I can lose doing the Simple Diet. I want to lose as much as I can before our trip to TX. Also, I want to get in the habit of eating this way so I don't go wild while on our trip. I can get large boxes of Atkins shakes at Sam's Club to take on the trip and I can also take fruit with us for snacks. I will work at having healthy low carb veggies when we stop to eat. I told DH I would make eggs for him, but I was going to eat a frozen dinner. DGS made eggs for himself (he misses not getting them on campus so a treat for him) and DH ate cereal.

I always add some kind of green veggie to my frozen dinners. I had kale in last nights and cut okra in todays. I use about 1/2 banana and 1/4 c blueberries in my morning shake. I'll have an apple in a little bit with string cheese for a snack instead of a shake and have the 2nd shake tonight. The 2nd one is like saying "I'm through eating for today". My evening meal will be a tuna salad. I will do this way of eating until our trip and then when we return, I will start using 2 shakes a day and stop the store bought frozen dinners so I can do them low carb. I've actually seen examples on the New on-line Atkins sight where you can use their tv dinners and shakes legally for weight loss for those who don't like to cook or are too busy. Right now I can't afford their frozen dinners at $4 + a meal. But when I come back home, I'll be tired of eating out and be able make my own and freeze them. I really think right now this is more about getting control and learning how to travel and stay on plan.

Carol Sue When I used to work shift work, I didn't have time to cook daily. We lived in the country and raised a lot of our food. So we froze all the vegetables that we grew. So I would spend one of my days off cooking up meat for the week and putting it in the freezer so that everyone could come home and take out whatever they wanted to eat and make their own meals. We liked things grilled and it made it so nice and easy to be able to grill everything at once because most of the time when you grill the fire is just getting good when your food is done. So I decided one day to just take advantage of it by cooking more.

pattygirl63
04-27-2014, 02:25 PM
Carol Sue, I have it and the cookbook. Recently a 30 minute meals cookbook came out too but I haven't seen it. This is kind of comical. I bought them both for my mom for Christmas a couple years ago because my brother told me she said she was going gluten free. My brother and his wife went to Whole Foods and bought her this huge assortment of GF foods. So, it's Christmas day and we present her with these gifts. My mom is a health nut, literally has hundreds of health related books and cookbooks....like three tall bookcases in one room, two bookshelves in the kitchen and three more bookshelves in the living room. Because she has so many she tries not to buy anymore. She looks at us with this fake smile and is all "how nice!", all the while looking like a deer in headlights. Finally I say "Shane said you were going gluten free and we wanted to support you" and she says "what is gluten?" She ended up gicing them to me.

Shannon - Your story brought back a cute memory of my Mama when she was living. We all finally learned not to say in front of her or Daddy "Oh I wish I had one of those" unless we really meant it. I guess they listened all year to hear us say that and then all three of us girls would get it. They never played favorites because what one said they wanted in passing, we all got. We never realized what was going on until one year my sister's husband said, "You better be careful what you say you like or want in front of Nannie, because we will all find it under the Christmas tree next year". We got some nice things and also some strange things. I remember one year we all got a machine that would actually peel the skin off of potatoes by beating them around the container. I don't know whatever happened to ours because I could peel them faster than the machine. LOL

love2b150
04-27-2014, 11:40 PM
Gosh I haven't been on here in a few days, smh and as usual you guys are busy :D

Darcy I am in the same boat as you. I get so close to the next decade and bam my mouth opens and up goes the scale, :dizzy:

Shannon your engagement will slide down soon and good job on the two inches :high: Good job on the Chik-fil-a choice :high:All of your numbers are great way to go, I'm happy for you :hug:

Carol Sue that's smart with the beans and the Miralax. I couldn't do that with the jello because my poor baby's would be pooping up a storm. Jello does last in here long, I'd have to figure out a way to hide it from them (not so easy) :) My beans went bad. I told my husband I am going to experiment with beans for two weeks to see what they do for me, he doesn't mind he loves beans but he always wants them over rice and that is a no-no for me. I haven't had any rice since December :) I love red pepper hummus and I have eaten it a few days in a row but I don't remember if it helped or not. Thanks Carol Sue you are a wealth of information :hug: Yay on your husbands weight loss, that's great :) Bread is my pitfall. I wanted butter for some reason I think it may have been yesterday, so I ate two slices of s/f Nature's Own with butter, so good ... but that wasn't enough so I made a grilled cheese in the waffle iron (because the boys left it on the counter) and though I don't typically eat grilled cheese (I don't like the soft cheese, this one was firm and pretty good) I only ate half the two youngest both had a piece :)

Trish that is my problem on this journey this go around but I'm not burping, I am gassy regardless of what I eat. I have been tired of eggs for a while. They weren't agreeing with me at all for some reason. I am needing to get that in my head, eat when I'm hungry and stop when satisfied not when full. I like the idea of fruit and yogurt in the morning :) Interested in hearing how TSD is working for you.

silentartic, :welcome: to the thread. :) I complain often because if my numbers on the scale go down my fbs goes up. I have not figured this out but it is what it is so I just go with it. Hope your numbers get better so no diabetes for you :hug:

My fbs has been crazy thanks to my crazy eating. The highest it's been is 159 on the 16th and 108 on the 22nd, this morning it was 141. My weight has been going up and up also. I got so close to the next decade and blew it again. Today I tried the low end of the 5:2 diet, trying to stay under 500 calories for the day. Then tomorrow you eat higher calories. You eat high for 5 days and low for 2 days (just not consecutive on the low days). I will see how I do tomorrow. I made a shrimp, red/green pepper, onion, Shirataki zero pasta dish. Came up to 199 calories, 22 carbs and 23 protein and I was satisfied. I drank 16 ozs of water before it so that helps. I like my tuna salad also, I will have that on lettuce leaves, my kale, grapefruit, hummus and probably an Atkins shake and some beans. That is my plan. I need to put it all on MFP and see what the numbers are. I also made it to the gym for the first time in forever. It felt really good.

Shannonsnail
04-28-2014, 12:09 AM
Missed you Rennie!

Ya'll are inspiring me to try tuna salad again. I have not been able to even be in the room if hubby opens a can but my tastes are changing. I'll give it a shot sometime this week.

I am worn out and going to bed. I spent 3 hrs mowing, trimming hedges, going around edge of yard and then made 4 batches of my homemade spaghetti meat sauce for the freezer, cut up a bag of celery and made a batch of taco salad dressing for the week.

silentarctic
04-28-2014, 12:45 AM
Thanks guys, just trying to get a handle on this, spent the day with my BFF, I hiked over to her place, was a little slow going because its uber icy out right now (we had a warm spell and now not so much so the ice is fresh and glassy ) and this morning it was all hidden under a fresh dusting of snow. I had a heavy backpack on though so I think it was still a decent workout. Not sure if I should really count that. I didn't really eat all day until 4pm I know that's not cool...I slept in and missed breakfast and then by the time we were done cooking it was more "lupper" than lunch or supper.

I made a chickpea curry, which I think was okay nutritionwise, I had about a cup of that and 1/3 cup of brown rice. I don't even know if it was worth it to have that single serving of grain.

I can't tell whether the weakness was due to hunger or the fact that I am still not back at 100% and felt slightly feverish due to the ongoing cold I have.

I had snacks later at a different friends not the best choices I'm sure I had 8 triscuits and 5 peices of medium cheddar and about 2 TBSP of hummus. And drank more tea, I drink a LOT of tea when I'm sick it seems.

Walked home, but it was broken up (because of the stop at the friends where I had the snack) so I don't think the walk home can really count as a bout of excercise its more just background non-exercise-activity which matters interms of weight loss but I'm not really sure how much it mitigates blood sugars.

Hopefully this cold dissapears soon, I am tired of being tired. And while having no appetite is, in one way convenient it also means that I'm taking longer to develop a proper routine which I know is important to staying regulated with blood sugars etc.

I need to make time to get groceries tomorrow.

Thanks Rennie - I hope that its an anomoly and that was I am stricter with my cab intake, and get back into my proper exercise routine (and hopefully keep losing fat) that it sorts itself out and stablelises. I'd like to delay a diabetes diagnosis if I can, I'm a realist though it may be too little too late. Plus I have MEGA family history against me. But maybe if I get extreme I can stave it off for afew more years. :-|

Patty - It's the intense exercise which I need to increase, I already walk everywhere which generally means, about 30 minutes of walking on a lazy day, on a day like today it was an hour JUST in transit between my place, and my friends places. And go for random walks "just because" when the weather is "nice". I do aerobics twice a week but obviously that's not enough, need to add in at least 2 and probably 3 workouts to meet the 150 minumum requirements for moderate intensity excercise.

Hope everyone is doing well thanks for letting me vent!

love2b150
04-28-2014, 10:40 AM
Thanks Shannon :hug:, I use two cans of tuna, green pepper, celery, onion, mayo, and relish. I like to eat it on green leaf lettuce with melted provolone and mustard. I don't like the smell either. I meant to tell you. I've made the kale chips also, I sprinkled crushed red pepper on them before baking so good :)

silentartic, I think the hike was great exercise with the backpack. The sodium in the curry may be the killer more than the rice and you snack were great IMO. Hope you cold fully clears up soon. I drink a lot of teas, mostly green tea with honey. My family history with diabetes isn't great either, one double amputee and death. SO I really need to get it together. I am a mother of five and want to see all of them graduate and see grandchilden some day also (I told my daughter in 6 more years if she and her husband are where they want to be :D) My suggestion - If you don't track your food and movement anywhere you should definitely consider it. It definitely helps. You will know just how many calories you burned on those hikes and walks :)

I loss all of that bloat from last week. I am back down to my ticker weight and fbs was down to 122m, so I'm happy.

Have a great day everyone :)

silentarctic
04-28-2014, 11:11 AM
love b the curry was not that salty, I cooked it... the chickpeas were from dry, I soaked them for 24 hours to make the cook time faster. So there was no salt added there, pretty much just the tomatoes since i was ... lazy to walk out to the store and buy no salt ones I used the ones my friend had in her cupboard, that was really the only salt added i don't use salt in cooking.

silentarctic
04-28-2014, 11:24 AM
I'm tracking food right now but not forever, I don't feel like writing things down in detail is going to be doable "Forever" I am only doing it right now so that IF I get a referral to a dietician that I have notes to go through and so my nurse can review if she likes. I wanted to use fit day software but my nurse suggested writing down the exact times I was eating things unfortunately fit day (the version I have) only tracks meals not the "time" of the meal so I'm doing a notebook so its "shareable".

Wannabehealthy
04-28-2014, 12:28 PM
I have been eating carbs all last week and have been having to take my Amaryl. Last night DH wanted ravioli or lasagne, so I made the ravioli and made some meatballs with it so I would have more protein. Today I am determined to get back to my low carb. My BS was 136 this morning but that was with the Amaryl, so I don't count that as good. I want good without the additional meds. I forgot to get weighed before I ate, so I won't weigh until tomorrow. I know it went up, and I don't want a full belly to make it go up even higher.

Rennie, Where do you buy your Shirataki noodles? Are they sold in grocery stores?

Good job on getting your weight back down. You will move to the next decade before you can blink an eye!

Silentartic- Where do you live that you have all that ice? I guess the "artic" in your screen name should be a clue. LOL

I think the hiking was very good exercise. And the walks are good too, as far as blood sugar control is concerned. You don't have to be doing high intensity to lower your blood sugar, in fact, for that, lower intensity is better. The high intensity is better for weight loss. I don't do high intensity because I'm afraid about my heart since I have issues there.

Trish - The shakes and bars are a good idea for your trip. It will keep you from being tempted with other foods. For some reason I have never been able to use meal replacement shakes. They fill me up, but psychologically I don't feel as though I've eaten a meal. I bought some whey protein a while back and was going to make shakes, but I felt like I was drinking a milk shake and still wanted dinner. That's how the weight lifters put on weight!

It's the same when I eat something other than eggs for breakfast. I still want the eggs, so I might as well just eat them and be done with it. Then I'm satisfied and don't want anything else. I love eggs. One time when I lived alone, I went on a diet where I ate 1 egg and 1 slice of toast for breakfast and lunch, and 2 eggs and 2 slices of toast for dinner. That was all. I was relatively thin then and just did this to lose some weight that had crept up. I was totally satisfied and didn't crave anything else. That was long ago before they started to talk about the danger of eggs. Now I mix my eggs with egg substitute which is only the whites, and sometimes I just use the substitute. When I was a child, I remember gagging on eggs when my mother made them, but she made me finish them. I think she didn't cook the whites enough, and I can't handle runny whites. YUK!

Shannon, I started the Wheat Belly book last night. The first few chapters were just telling you why wheat is bad for you...nothing I didn't already know, so I skimmed over it. They described the way you feel if you are addicted to wheat, how eating it just makes you crave it until you can't stop, and that is exactly what it does to me....but it's soooooo good! LOL I wish I didn't like it so much.

I compared my measurements from my weight of 182 after surgery to now, at 196. Most of the measurements are 1/2 to 1 inch different until it comes to my waist. It is now 5 inches bigger than it was then! I know that a big part of that is because they cut through my abdominal muscle, twice. I don't know if I will ever get into the pants I was wearing back then, and that's very depressing to me. When I reached 182 I was very optimistic about my weight loss and bought a lot of new clothes. Now if I try on pants that fit my waist, they are so baggy in the butt and hips that I could never wear them. It seems I am destined to wear elastic waist pants the rest of my life, and I don't want to. The pants that fit my hips and butt don't come close to closing at the waist. Very upsetting to me.

pattygirl63
04-28-2014, 12:28 PM
silentarctic You are so active and especially if you do all that walking, you really should be able with your diet get your bs readings back down and never be diabetic.

Shannon and Rennie I actually have always loved tuna salad, but I guess I ate it so much that for years I couldn't stand the smell of it either. So I don't plan to eat it too much because I don't want to get to burned out on it again.

Well, yesterday was a disaster for me. I ate only allowed foods and stayed within my calories, but I was starving all day long. I'm not doing anything that makes me hungry. There are so many versions of low carb variations. This morning I realized that even The New Atkins Made Easy book has a menu example for days when you want the Atkins shakes and the Atkins frozen dinners for those times when you can't or don't want to cook. So I have decided to do a Moderately low carb way of eating. My fbs blood sugar is running between 120s and 130s and I had them lower with Atkins. At this time I really don''t want to go back to Induction so the moderate low carb seems doable. I will use some of the rules of TSB by making sure that I eat 5 fruits and veggies and of course drink plenty of water. I will eat 3 low carb meals and use the shake in place of a snack at night. I don't really need more snacks most of the time. I have all these frozen dinners and I'll use those when I don't want to cook. But I think I will be making all my meals myself so I know what is in them. I am going to get busy and do my recumbent bike 6 days a week this month because I'll have about 10 to 12 days that I won't be getting hardly any exercise while on our trip.

I've just got to figure out what I can take to eat on our trip. We usually eat only 1 meal a day when we're at Tony's sons and we'll be there for 3 maybe 4 days. I used to take protein bars, but since I can't handle the sugar alcohol those are out. Maybe Ruthie can tell me if the SB bars are made with sugar alcohol. I just have to shop around and see if I can find one without it. I've heard Slimfast and Special K make bars and while they will have sugar, it is only for a couple of weeks. Of course, I take the Atkins shakes for breakfast on the whole trip and there is always jerkys I can fall back on for snacks if need be. I'll have to put MFP on my smartphone so I can track while gone. I really need to watch the sodium. Any suggestions on what to take would be greatly appreciated.:) I'll be staying at my sisters and maybe a night or two with my grandson when I get to Waco and I can cook there so staying OP won't be a problem. I can't wait to see my new Great grandson and 2 new great nephews.

I think someone asked one time if anyone thought that sodium caused their fbs to go up and I have to say Absolutely. There is just so much that affects our bodies and I don't think we really know all of it yet.

My eggs and bacon sure was good this morning and so satisfying.

Carol Sue Someone told me on another thread asked me yesterday if I knew that beans lowers cholesterol. I missed that somewhere in all my research. I've got a brisket in the slow cooker today and we're having beans with it. DH cholesterol is always high. Mine gets better with low carb. I'm adding beans back into our plan, slowly, but the benefits are just too good not to eat them.

Have good day chickies.:) I really love you guys.:hug:

pattygirl63
04-28-2014, 12:40 PM
Carol Sue You must have been typing when I was. I agree with you about the shakes as a replacement of a meal. Also eating a replacement/frozen dinner in place of my main meal ended up being a disaster. I eat those sometimes for dinner because it is quick, but I add veggies to it while it cooks. If I eat my eggs, bacon and slice of double fiber toast for breakfast and a good lunch, I can eat a frozen dinner for supper and I will be satisfied especially if I really was hungry for the frozen dinner I have on hand. Lately I have wanted tuna salad. I think I figured out that I need to keep my breakfast and lunch which is our main meal of the day as is and then keep my evening meal (which is more like most peoples lunch a smaller meal) more flexible. If I want a shake or a frozen dinner fine, but if I want something else and want to take the time to make it that is fine too. I don't usually need a snack if I eat right at those meals, but when I do that should be the time for the shake. I can't handle the bars. I've got Atkins bars and candies here now that will probably eventually be trashed because I can't eat them.

I think we have both learned a lot about ourselves lately and how we need to eat for us.:hug:

Wannabehealthy
04-28-2014, 01:03 PM
Yes, Trish, I edited my post twice, as I kept thinking of more things I wanted to share. LOL Gabby me!

I think I knew about the beans lowering cholesterol, but I focus more on the blood sugar because I take meds that lower the cholesterol.

It's very had to get settled in on a food plan that works when you have to be concerned with so many things...weight loss, blood sugar, blood pressure, cholesterol. I am learning that the main thing I have to focus on is getting the bread out of my diet for good. Other carbs such as pasta and rice raise my sugar, but not as much as the bread does. I have just never been one for shakes and bars, although other people do well with them. As we know, one size does not fit all!

I love brisket! I am defrosting a roast for pot roast right now.

Shannonsnail
04-28-2014, 01:40 PM
Here's my tuna salad gals! I had to seriously doctor it up - chopped pickles, red bell pepper, onions, celery, slivered almonds inside and on top, cheddar cheese and spices! LOL! It is definitely an option for days like today when I really didn't have any other protein ready (and now that I eat eggs for breakfast everyday I really don't want egg salad) but I think it still tastes/smells fishy!

love2b150
04-28-2014, 02:03 PM
Thanks Carol Sue, I sure hope so :), I first found the Shirataki Noodles at Lowe's Food, but Walmart is now carrying them also. LOL my husband will only egg scrambled eggs that are cooked hard because someone made eggs when he was young that were runny (too soft). I can't even get him to eat an omelet.

Trish I can't eat a lot of tuna, it makes me nauseous for some reason, the same thing with eggs. After awhile the smell and texture gets to me. I actually have a little of my tuna left from this morning. I didn't put it on the lettuce leaves. I need to up my calorie count today so I used the low carb La Banderita tortilla. Trish that's why I like the recipe maker on MFP. The things that you don't think are bad will surprise you when you use that recipe maker. Trish send all of your Atkins stuff to me, I will put it to good use :D Love you too :hug: :)

Shannon lots of nutrients in your tuna, way to go :high: Hey would you happen to cook with powdered egg whites?

I'm so jealous of all of the cooks here ... You all make my mouth water LOL. I am just so lazy when it comes to cooking now. I love things that go in the crock pot or the oven :)