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lisa32989
03-21-2014, 04:50 AM
:welcome2:
Welcome back to the Daily Chat thread - post your plans for today, share what's been happening, ask questions!

Some forum lingo:
NSV = Non-scale victory
TOM = time of the month
WI = Weigh-in
WF = Walden Farms
OP = on plan

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Information for newbies:
Check the sticky page (top of forum, above all the topics) for lots of good information and please read here before asking what might be a frequently asked question (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/243142-have-question-about-ip-read-here-first-before-posting-question.html): Information on Ideal Protein phases (1-4), IP Ultimate List Recipes, FAQ, Newbie Guide, Exercise, and other Important Threads,
(http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/238801-ip-ultimate-list-recipes-faq-newbie-guide-exercise-other-important-threads.html)and here are the most recent Ideal Protein Protocol sheets (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/4701599-post49.html)

And before you cheat, read this thread:
The Real Cost of Cheating on Ideal Protein (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/221536-real-cost-cheating-ideal-protein.html)

Before starting new threads: spend some time reading the forum. Most new threads are duplicates, triplicates, quadruplicates. Folks who are the most successful, make time for research/reading.

More Recipes Here Mix'n in the kitchen...Recipes from the Rainbow (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/261885-mixn-kitchn-recipes-rainbow.html)
MiX'N' iN THE KiTCH'N.... Recipes from the Rainbow Volume 2 (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/268669-mixn-kitchn-recipes-rainbow-volumn-2-a.html)
Fun with Ideal Protein Packets (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/212175-fun-ideal-protein-packets.html)
Fun with Veggie Purees! (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/264231-fun-veggie-purees.html)
Ideal Protein Diet Recipes #4 (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/273856-ideal-protein-diet-recipes-4-a.html)
Tips and Recipes from the Incredible Weight Loss Center (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/270950-ideal-protein-tips-recipes-incredible-weight-loss-center.html)

For those looking for alternative products
Here is a thread with tons of info. Spend some time in it. http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/270731-alternative-products-will-work-phase-1-a.html
And here is a link to a chart (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/4677467-post240.html) to help you choose appropriate products

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Progress photos
Mini-Goal Photo Album (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/mini-goals-201/).

Other helpful links related to the Ideal Protein Dr. Chanh Tran Tien's website (http://www.trantiendiet.com/site/spip.php?rubrique19)


lisa32989
03-21-2014, 05:11 AM
Hi all.
SUUUPER busy day yesterday.
I saw some things I wanted to comment on. I have no idea why I'm awake in the middle of the nite but I got up b/c I couldn't sleep (still dealing with adrenal fatigue, I believe)

Scale Discouragement: The scale is only one measure of fat loss. It measures our entire weight. As your body loses fat, it holds water for a bit & then whoosh the water flushes away. Those of us with large weight losses have gotten very used to the ebbs and flows of the scale. Make peace with it to get thru your IP journey with less stress in your life.

Our first reaction is to "do something!" to fix it. A week or two with no change is a normal part of the weigh loss journey. Some folks rarely experience it but most have many bouts with it. Unless you are super carb resistant, there is no reason to try to "hack" the IP plan to move things along faster. This is just your body shifting. The weight will move if you stay the course. A true plateau would be at least 4 weeks of no change. Many weight loss experts say 4-6 weeks of no change of measurements or scale.

Also know those body scan scales they use at clinics are inaccurate as all get-out. There are only a few ways to accurately measure fat, water, lean mass, etc. But also know lean mass isn't just muscle. It is EVERYTHING in your body that isn't fat: skin, bones, blood, blood vessels, connective tissues, organs, EVERYTHING. As we lose weight, our body sheds some of the excess of those things it doesn't need anymore. Some lean mass loss is expected.

Being cold: Yup! This is very common. And a common answer is we're losing our insulation. This isn't entirely true. What is happening is our metabolism is shifting as our body adapts to the changes we've made (and our bodies naturally try to slow the weight loss - it is a natural protection reaction). So, our metabolisms shift and slow a bit. This can temporarily throw off the thyroid. And a few people end up with longer-term thyroid probelms so be sure to keep it monitored if you get hypothyroid symptoms. Cold is one of them. Google for more.

Heartburn: The digestive enzymes have changed my life! I was on a PPI med for GERD for a LONG time (they are designed to be short-term medications). I did much research last summer and got myself off of them, even with the rebound effect that happens when you stop taking them. I first switched to a different type of acid reducer and then weaned myself off of that, all the while doing all the things to heal my gut. This literally took almost as long as losing 95 lbs did!

Surgery: I knew Ruth Ann would chime in & I knew she had good advice as one who had been through it. Low carb, per se, would not be contraindicated for surgery. Only from doctors who know too little about diet and nutrition and only believe the mainstream diet & nutrition info. Low fat is probably the thing I would change. The more I read about our "low fat culture" making us sicker, the more I'm learning how healthy (good) fats are for us - even saturated fat, especially when we keep all the starches and sugars out.

Trishlo73 (veggie hater): Look at the first post of this thread and click the veggie puree thread. Lots ways to hide veggies in that thread, including soups and smoothies!

Someone asked about the weight tracker. Info about that is in the first post of this thread, as well.

Ruth Ann
03-21-2014, 08:03 AM
Good morning Lisa - I really didn't not want to be up at 3:30 in the morning so I feel for you! But is 3:30 the middle of the night or early morning?

Good stuff up there. Especially about the scale. I think I've used the scale at my coach's office that shows the lean/fat ratio twice - I just don't think they can be very accurate and don't see the point. I suppose if I had been doing it from the beginning it might be good information just to show a downward trend.


sarahBell
03-21-2014, 08:33 AM
Ok I am down another 2.6 lbs!!! :broc: Today I am going to try on my size 14s and see if they are still to tight in the thighs for my liking

MsGracie
03-21-2014, 08:45 AM
Ok I am down another 2.6 lbs!!! :broc: Today I am going to try on my size 14s and see if they are still to tight in the thighs for my liking

Great job and hoping the 14s are comfy!!

TwoTots
03-21-2014, 09:13 AM
Good afternoon everyone. My weigh in today and I'm down 1lb. During the week (daily weigher) i was down to 218!! But today it is 220!!! I have had some odd health problems this week resulting in swollen and sore hands. The doctor told me I had an allergic reaction to something, to take antihistamine. It is getting better slowly so I reckon the weight is fluid retention. Hoping for a larger loss next week. I wasn't taking my supplements properly/at all and this is week 3 so yesterday I went out and bought my vitamins and minerals. Lesson learned. Happy Friday everyone.

AmberLS
03-21-2014, 09:55 AM
YAYAYAYA I hit 20lbs today!!!!!!!!!

RA 2
03-21-2014, 09:56 AM
Surgery: I knew Ruth Ann would chime in & I knew she had good advice as one who had been through it. Low carb, per se, would not be contraindicated for surgery. Only from doctors who know too little about diet and nutrition and only believe the mainstream diet & nutrition info. Low fat is probably the thing I would change. The more I read about our "low fat culture" making us sicker, the more I'm learning how healthy (good) fats are for us - even saturated fat, especially when we keep all the starches and sugars out.


Thank you for the great information in this post, Lisa. You are so knowledgeable and patient to share what you've learned! Thank you too Ruth Ann for your comments on the surgery question. In thinking about it, I would really like to continue with P1 and push my goal up another 10 lbs. I will have a pre-op visit before the date, so I can do some checking on the food then, and plan out my IP food. I will ask about adding protein for post-op healing (good tip Ruth Ann). Lisa, how would you change the fat? Any thoughts on what and how much to add? I will also ask my coach next visit. I'm thinking this is doable.

Yayalaine
03-21-2014, 10:04 AM
NSV!! i am wearing my wedding ring set this morning! I have not worn them in several years because they had gotten too small and I just refused to get them enlarged.

On another note, my face seems to be puffier. My CPAP is leaving ridges in my face and it takes an hour or so to go away after waking. I am following protocol 100%, drinking about 12-15 servings per day, using my ID salt...

wildirishrose
03-21-2014, 10:41 AM
YAYAYAYA I hit 20lbs today!!!!!!!!!

Woooo! Way to go sista!!! Isn't that an amazing feeling? Yesterday I went threw my closet and got rid of all of my x-large shirts....FOREVER!!!!

sarahBell
03-21-2014, 11:17 AM
YAYAYAYA I hit 20lbs today!!!!!!!!!

whoo hooo!!! :broc:

Ruth Ann
03-21-2014, 11:19 AM
Thank you for the great information in this post, Lisa. You are so knowledgeable and patient to share what you've learned! Thank you too Ruth Ann for your comments on the surgery question. In thinking about it, I would really like to continue with P1 and push my goal up another 10 lbs. I will have a pre-op visit before the date, so I can do some checking on the food then, and plan out my IP food. I will ask about adding protein for post-op healing (good tip Ruth Ann). Lisa, how would you change the fat? Any thoughts on what and how much to add? I will also ask my coach next visit. I'm thinking this is doable.

Just remember RA 2 - do NOT step on the scale the day after surgery if you're easily freaked out about the number! I did it and saw a 6 or 8 lb gain overnight. Of course it was gone in just a few days but it was not a good idea to weigh myself right after surgery! :dizzy:

IPdivajen
03-21-2014, 11:35 AM
Thank you for the great information in this post, Lisa. You are so knowledgeable and patient to share what you've learned! Thank you too Ruth Ann for your comments on the surgery question. In thinking about it, I would really like to continue with P1 and push my goal up another 10 lbs. I will have a pre-op visit before the date, so I can do some checking on the food then, and plan out my IP food. I will ask about adding protein for post-op healing (good tip Ruth Ann). Lisa, how would you change the fat? Any thoughts on what and how much to add? I will also ask my coach next visit. I'm thinking this is doable.

The one thing I'd add about surgery is that you don't want to be in ketosis during your surgery - it's just too hard on your organs. This is why most coaches would/should recommend a brief phasing out before the actual surgery date.

Your liver and kidneys work extra hard during ketosis and they are the same organs that process the anesthetic out of your system post surgery so it puts a serious strain on them. And since your body will already be working hard enough to heal and repair from the surgery itself you don't want to strain it any more than it already will be.

Good luck!!

qtpiemels
03-21-2014, 11:36 AM
Morning ladies, I have my WI today & I'm nervous. I was pretty ill last week & fell off the wagon. I should hit ketosis this weekend since I've been 100% OP since I've recovered.

I had the vanilla pudding mix for breakfast this morning with 10 oz of water & some ice blended with some WF strawberry sauce & man it was yummy!

Ruth Ann
03-21-2014, 11:51 AM
The one thing I'd add about surgery is that you don't want to be in ketosis during your surgery - it's just too hard on your organs. This is why most coaches would/should recommend a brief phasing out before the actual surgery date.

Your liver and kidneys work extra hard during ketosis and they are the same organs that process the anesthetic out of your system post surgery so it puts a serious strain on them. And since your body will already be working hard enough to heal and repair from the surgery itself you don't want to strain it any more than it already will be.

Good luck!!

My surgeon and anesthesiologist had no problems with me being in ketosis for either surgery and I healed just fine (except for the stitch the surgeon managed to get right on a nerve!).

I think discussing it with the surgeon and anesthesiologist is probably the best route to go and follow whatever they recommend.

IPdivajen
03-21-2014, 12:05 PM
My surgeon and anesthesiologist had no problems with me being in ketosis for either surgery and I healed just fine (except for the stitch the surgeon managed to get right on a nerve!).

I think discussing it with the surgeon and anesthesiologist is probably the best route to go and follow whatever they recommend.

Of course, chat it over with them and see what they say. Every case could be different - depending on how much anesthetic you're getting, etc. I do know that both times DH had surgery while on IP his doctors/care team were emphatic that he not be in ketosis at the time of surgery. As in they tested his ketones morning of because they knew he'd been on this type of plan. So that's where my caveat comes from. Just wanting to make sure that this is something that gets discussed in advance and doesn't crop up the morning of surgery, then prevent someone from having their operation.

And ouch for a stitch on a nerve! Eeps!

Ruth Ann
03-21-2014, 12:10 PM
Of course, chat it over with them and see what they say. Every case could be different - depending on how much anesthetic you're getting, etc. I do know that both times DH had surgery while on IP his doctors/care team were emphatic that he not be in ketosis at the time of surgery. As in they tested his ketones morning of because they knew he'd been on this type of plan. So that's where my caveat comes from. Just wanting to make sure that this is something that gets discussed in advance and doesn't crop up the morning of surgery, then prevent someone from having their operation.

And ouch for a stitch on a nerve! Eeps!

I really do think it depends on the doctors, the type of surgery, etc. My hernia (5 inches!) took nearly 4 hours to repair along with cleaning up some adhesions from a previous surgery. I think it helped that my primary care doctor has closely monitored me, including liver and kidney functions, from day one.

And yes, that stitch hurt! That was the second surgery -removing that stitch! Not nearly as involved as the 1st surgery but sooooo not fun!

lisa32989
03-21-2014, 12:50 PM
Ugh! Why do I save so much to do for the last minute?

I have to declutter before company arrives b/c I blew it off last week when I was off work...I'm such a procrastinator!!! :dizzy:

I jumped in here today to share something I observed last nite.

I was with my alumni club watching my team win their first NCAA basketball tournament game this season.

I ordered a salad I had planned ahead to order. It arrived with WAYYYY less meat than I expected (I'll order double meat next time). That wasn't the issue. I dealt with that.

One of my fellow alums also ordered a different salad. She was sitting right next to me & she is thin as a rail. Thinner than I'll be when I decide I'm at goal. Anyway, I was DONE with my salad and she was gently picking at hers & it was about half gone. My bowl was EMPTY.

I sort've commented about inhaling my salad while she still had half left & she said she had a lot more meat on hers (her meat was also deep fried, so I'm not sure there was more actual meat, per se, or just more bulk).

That observation showed me I eat very differently than she does. She has been thin her whole life. I've always struggled with my weight (and eating anything I want/as much as I want). So, even "thinner" and losing, I still eat differently.

Just an observation. "Food" for thought.

jendilly
03-21-2014, 01:05 PM
Morning ladies, I have my WI today & I'm nervous. I was pretty ill last week & fell off the wagon. I should hit ketosis this weekend since I've been 100% OP since I've recovered.

I had the vanilla pudding mix for breakfast this morning with 10 oz of water & some ice blended with some WF strawberry sauce & man it was yummy!


That does sound yummy. I'm always looking for new ways to change up the packets. I have some of the banana pudding and this sounds like it might be good with the strawberry sauce. I haven't thinned the pudding yet. I make waffles or cakes with it, or just eat it as pudding.

Congrats to all the "losses" out there this week. Keep rocking it, ladies!

I'm traveling this weekend and will be working hard to stay 100% OP. It's going to be a tough go, trying to find the right foods, but I am determined to do it. My greatest battle seems to be getting the veggies in while having to eat out 3 meals a day. Taking my IP foods with me, of course.

AmberLS
03-21-2014, 02:14 PM
Thanks ladies, I've been waiting to meet the little goal, now 20 more, then only 10 more and I'll be in ONDERLAND oh please oh please I can't wait!

kontesanera
03-21-2014, 02:24 PM
I lost another 3.1 lbs! Soo excited! I was hoping to be at 20 lbs loss at two months, but it seems that it will be way sooner. :carrot: My inch losses were fantastic as well. IP Rocks!

qtpiemels
03-21-2014, 02:39 PM
Well done kontesanera!!!

kontesanera
03-21-2014, 02:56 PM
Ugh! Why do I save so much to do for the last minute?

I have to declutter before company arrives b/c I blew it off last week when I was off work...I'm such a procrastinator!!! :dizzy:

I jumped in here today to share something I observed last nite.

I was with my alumni club watching my team win their first NCAA basketball tournament game this season.

I ordered a salad I had planned ahead to order. It arrived with WAYYYY less meat than I expected (I'll order double meat next time). That wasn't the issue. I dealt with that.

One of my fellow alums also ordered a different salad. She was sitting right next to me & she is thin as a rail. Thinner than I'll be when I decide I'm at goal. Anyway, I was DONE with my salad and she was gently picking at hers & it was about half gone. My bowl was EMPTY.

I sort've commented about inhaling my salad while she still had half left & she said she had a lot more meat on hers (her meat was also deep fried, so I'm not sure there was more actual meat, per se, or just more bulk).

That observation showed me I eat very differently than she does. She has been thin her whole life. I've always struggled with my weight (and eating anything I want/as much as I want). So, even "thinner" and losing, I still eat differently.

Just an observation. "Food" for thought.

Lisa, I have noticed the same many times with my friends that are super thin and have always been super thin. When I say super thin, I think almost unhealthy thin. I have observed them play with their food, pretend to eat, or just rearrange the food on their plate so that it looks like they ate something. I have observed them eat 1 cheese cube and state how stuffed they are. But I also heard them talk about food so much, almost obsessively.

Anyhow, I have always been a hearty eater, even as a kid, but I never had weight issues until about 3-4 years ago. I have developed some unhealthy habits during that time and became a huge emotional binge eater. So embarrassing, but I am hoping that this diet will help me change my relationship with food.

NJ_Desi_Guy
03-21-2014, 02:56 PM
Hi,
I am trying to change from IP soup to other soups for variety.
Was eyeing a Miso soup pre-packaged option. It had MSG in it.. so wasnt sure if that is allowed on IP..
Any thoughts?

lisa32989
03-21-2014, 03:49 PM
Hi,
I am trying to change from IP soup to other soups for variety.
Was eyeing a Miso soup pre-packaged option. It had MSG in it.. so wasnt sure if that is allowed on IP..
Any thoughts?
I'd stick with alternative products from the alt thread (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/291417-alternative-products-will-work-phase-1-part-3-a.html)

Nashua nutrition is a great source & the soups are a LOT less expensive!
MSG is a big problem for a multitude of reasons.

ssubert
03-21-2014, 07:29 PM
Well it's either go home and eat everything in sight or go to the thrift store until I can unload this "gosh darn stuff" from work.

Thrift store wins!!

By the time I get home, my honey will be there and I don't binge with company. :)

Art3mis
03-21-2014, 07:44 PM
That observation showed me I eat very differently than she does. She has been thin her whole life. I've always struggled with my weight (and eating anything I want/as much as I want). So, even "thinner" and losing, I still eat differently.

Just an observation. "Food" for thought.

Hey Lisa! ":D

yah i noticed i too eat super fast it seems compared to the thin ppl....:( i wish i could retrain myself to eat like a thin person.!

In other news...IP has stopped making my fav. BBQ ridges :( and i can't find a soy free alternative to us!!! boooo IP!

Jenny38
03-21-2014, 07:52 PM
Ok I am down another 2.6 lbs!!! :broc: Today I am going to try on my size 14s and see if they are still to tight in the thighs for my liking

Great job Sarah:carrot::carrot:

Good afternoon everyone. My weigh in today and I'm down 1lb. During the week (daily weigher) i was down to 218!! But today it is 220!!! I have had some odd health problems this week resulting in swollen and sore hands. The doctor told me I had an allergic reaction to something, to take antihistamine. It is getting better slowly so I reckon the weight is fluid retention. Hoping for a larger loss next week. I wasn't taking my supplements properly/at all and this is week 3 so yesterday I went out and bought my vitamins and minerals. Lesson learned. Happy Friday everyone.
Twotots, I hope your feeling better and 1 lb lose is great for what sounds like a lot of stuff going on with your body.

YAYAYAYA I hit 20lbs today!!!!!!!!!

Way to go Amber:)

I lost another 3.1 lbs! Soo excited! I was hoping to be at 20 lbs loss at two months, but it seems that it will be way sooner. :carrot: My inch losses were fantastic as well. IP Rocks!

:carrot::carrot:

I'm down 1.3lbs and the scale is sitting right at 200. Hoping to reach onederland next week. I have lost 82lbs with IP and am so grateful to have found this plan. I'm 105lbs down from my highest weight over a 1.5 yrs ago:carrot:

qtpiemels
03-21-2014, 10:55 PM
I was down 4 lbs at my WI today. I'm now at 22.6 lbs lost& & 26" overall!!! That's in just over a month & a half. I needed that little motivational boost.

My coach gave me then novi-cleanse to do. How did everyone else react to it?

lisa32989
03-21-2014, 11:03 PM
In other news...IP has stopped making my fav. BBQ ridges :( and i can't find a soy free alternative to us!!! boooo IP!
You should have seen the hissy fit I threw last January when I gave up soy. It cut out all my favs. Yanno what? I lived.

Ruth Ann
03-21-2014, 11:07 PM
I was down 4 lbs at my WI today. I'm now at 22.6 lbs lost& & 26" overall!!! That's in just over a month & a half. I needed that little motivational boost.

My coach gave me then novi-cleanse to do. How did everyone else react to it?

Congrats on your losses - that is awesome! :dancer:

I have never done the novi-cleanse (or any other cleanse for that matter) so I can't help you there.

RosiePosie101
03-21-2014, 11:27 PM
I was down 4 lbs at my WI today. I'm now at 22.6 lbs lost& & 26" overall!!! That's in just over a month & a half. I needed that little motivational boost.

My coach gave me then novi-cleanse to do. How did everyone else react to it?

My coach introduced the cleanse in at week 5 or 6. Not sure I'm a believer in it to be honest. She kind of side-swiped me with it and I wasn't prepared and hadn't done my research. When I did that later, I realized that it was probably a waste of money. Having said that, seeing as I'd purchased the stuff, I was jolly well going to see it through to the end!! I don't think there was any benefit. I just seemed to pee more! Go easy on the nova-lax. I only took one every so often as I was fairly regular and not, err, clogged up.

ColoradoCarol
03-22-2014, 12:16 AM
I was down 4 lbs at my WI today. I'm now at 22.6 lbs lost& & 26" overall!!! That's in just over a month & a half. I needed that little motivational boost.

My coach gave me then novi-cleanse to do. How did everyone else react to it?

They don't sell NoviCleans in the US. I have done a couple cleanses and I the way I understand it, they clean out various toxins being held in various areas - kidney, liver. They can also clean out "your pipes". I am on several medications so I done every so often

ColoradoCarol
03-22-2014, 12:21 AM
I had a great day off today. Really recharged my batteries. Spent the afternoon with a LONGTIME friend (since our senior year in HS - so 28 years).. Then when his kids got home from school we all went to dinner. Totally IP - Chilis.

blondie739
03-22-2014, 01:07 AM
I told my kids I would take them to Great Wolf Lodge if I managed to lose 40lbs. Guess who has to plan a vacation now?? This gal!!