Ideal Protein Diet - Gout sufferers and Ideal Protein Diet




NJ_Desi_Guy
03-16-2014, 03:03 PM
Hi all,
I started IP on sunday Mar 9 2014. Till thursday, it was good, but the last 3 days have been painful in my ankles... I suffer from gout:?::tantrum: It has been killing.. Does anyone else suffer from gout and still does this high protein diet?


NanDeNa
03-16-2014, 04:39 PM
Hi ... GUY,

Yep, my hubby has it too and he had some trouble in the beginning of us starting OP.

But we found that the foods you'll see listed on most gout lists, that say to limit the amount, we cut them out completely!

i.e. Asparagus & mushrooms & such ...

Search the internet[for Gout lists] and try to pick good veggies that you can eat. We do lots of broccoli, cauliflower, celery, pickles, jicama, wax turnips,peppers, green onion, salads, etc

I hope you feel better soon!

NJ_Desi_Guy
03-16-2014, 05:51 PM
Aha...Now I get it :)

But we found that the foods you'll see listed on most gout lists, that say to limit the amount, we cut them out completely!

i.e. Asparagus & mushrooms & such ...

I HAD ASPARAGUS ON THURSDAY.... No wonder!

Thanks a bunch for your input.. will stay away from that.

But what about Calcium supplements? That didn't worsen the attacks, did it?


Annik
03-16-2014, 06:06 PM
Fyi, just for clarification: ip is a moderate protein and not high protein diet!

Good info there on the veggies!
Good journey! It works!

NanDeNa
03-16-2014, 09:24 PM
Hello,

NJ_Desi_Guy, We started the calcium a few weeks into the process but he hasn't been having any troubles with the calcium, and a sidenote ... also, we both had high blood pressure BUT now we don't, we use the recommended salt amount. He feels good, We wish you much success with IP !

Annik,
Thanks ! Thanks, & Thanks!
BTW; Congratulations on your success ! I love that it works so well!

Many thanks to TFC!! This website and the users are so supportive!

NJ_Desi_Guy
03-16-2014, 10:50 PM
Fyi, just for clarification: ip is a moderate protein and not high protein diet!

Good info there on the veggies!
Good journey! It works!
I see that your weight loss is not uniform through the weeks..

So, will it be up and down? and the average is 3.7lbs / wk.. is that the same for all people?

sarahBell
03-17-2014, 09:00 AM
I see that your weight loss is not uniform through the weeks..

So, will it be up and down? and the average is 3.7lbs / wk.. is that the same for all people?

I do not have any advice on gout :(

But everyone will lose weight according to how their body works. You may lose 8lbs your first WI then lose 1.5 lbs your next and maybe none your 3rd (these are examples) I have been all over the map with my weight loss, along with some gains here and there. You need to plug away and you will be fine :)

Annik
03-17-2014, 09:33 AM
I see that your weight loss is not uniform through the weeks..

So, will it be up and down? and the average is 3.7lbs / wk.. is that the same for all people?

SarahBell is right. Weight-loss happens on an individual basis. Sometimes it goes faster sometimes it goes more slowly... All along the way your body is making adjustments.

There is nothing that's really predictable or average except that if you stick to the protocol the program works.

NJ_Desi_Guy
03-17-2014, 10:13 AM
Thanks for the additional info around how each body reacts differently to this diet... Will help me to grit it out when I might get into stone walling weeks..
for now, I gotta get out of this gout driven impasse...

Pattience
03-17-2014, 10:17 AM
Op i was just reading up on your predicament. the people from ideal protein recommend you take a certain medication for the first month starting with A. Maybe you've got the info in your brochures. Or if you not maybe your advisor should know.

But i was searching gout and ideal protein because i was interested in this vegetable list mentioned above. Hopefully if you do the same you will find the same link.

NJ_Desi_Guy
03-17-2014, 03:35 PM
Op i was just reading up on your predicament. the people from ideal protein recommend you take a certain medication for the first month starting with A. Maybe you've got the info in your brochures. Or if you not maybe your advisor should know.

But i was searching gout and ideal protein because i was interested in this vegetable list mentioned above. Hopefully if you do the same you will find the same link.
I was researching veggies & gout... this might help..
http://www.patient.co.uk/health/gout-diet-sheet

There are certain foods that are very high in purines and should be considerably limited, if not avoided completely. These include:

Meat Sources Liver, heart, kidney, sweetbreads, ox, game (eg, venison, rabbit), meat extracts (eg, stock cubes/gravies).
Fish Sources Anchovies, crab, fish roes, herring, mackerel, trout, sardines, shrimps, sprats, whitebait.
Other Sources Yeast and extracts, beer, asparagus, cauliflower, mushrooms, beans and peas, spinach.
Same thing echoed in this link.. but the spelling is a mess ... :)
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_some_vegetables_to_avoid_for_gout

sarahBell
03-17-2014, 03:48 PM
I was researching veggies & gout... this might help..
http://www.patient.co.uk/health/gout-diet-sheet

There are certain foods that are very high in purines and should be considerably limited, if not avoided completely. These include:

Meat Sources Liver, heart, kidney, sweetbreads, ox, game (eg, venison, rabbit), meat extracts (eg, stock cubes/gravies).
Fish Sources Anchovies, crab, fish roes, herring, mackerel, trout, sardines, shrimps, sprats, whitebait.
Other Sources Yeast and extracts, beer, asparagus, cauliflower, mushrooms, beans and peas, spinach.
Same thing echoed in this link.. but the spelling is a mess ... :)
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_some_vegetables_to_avoid_for_gout

I wish you the best with IP. I am sure that you can find things that work for you (food that is LOL)

ps. My hubby is Desi ;)

NanDeNa
03-18-2014, 11:37 AM
Hi NJ_Desi_Guy, Yes, good list & we do avoid spinach too. But cauliflower is still used in moderation. Hubby also eats Broccoli since it doesn't seem to bother him.

I think overall, when going through an attack, avoid ALL trigger foods. If the attack is so bad, see your doctor - they have medicine that will help. But When an attack returns, review the foods you've been eating. Eventually you will become more aware of what bothers you most! We've learned that shrimp & clams will trigger him off as well. It was a learning process for us and we hope we all get better at it :)

Wishing you good health!

NJ_Desi_Guy
03-18-2014, 10:07 PM
I wish you the best with IP. I am sure that you can find things that work for you (food that is LOL)

ps. My hubby is Desi ;)

Wow... small world.. IS he on IP too? would like to know some Indian IP diet recipes... :D

sarahBell
03-19-2014, 12:30 PM
Wow... small world.. IS he on IP too? would like to know some Indian IP diet recipes... :D

Well he is from Pakistan. Both countires share a lot of the same style recipes. He decided not to do IP when he saw the packets LOL. He would rather eat like a person than an astronaut. He loves his food made fresh all the time. He has cut back on rice and bread (naans, chappatis, parathas , pakoras, samosas etc). So I am on this alone. Yesterday I made and froze 3 dozen shami kebabs, 18 parathas (half cooked)


I have stopped eating all most all foods from there because so many are fried or use fried onions (and changing things like biryani, pilau, aloo ghobi, rajma ) would not taste the same.

BUT we do grill out saji (sp??), chicken tikka, tandoor style chicken , lamb skewers. If I can modify some recipes I will give them to you. I seen on here a recipe posted for spicy indian style cabbage.

I am creative in the kitchen, and with warm temps coming I am going to get my grill cleaned up and ready to use! What meat (if any) do you eat so if I make something I can share it with you. Winter makes me want to make all kinds of soups, stews, comfort food NOT summer style food LOL.

NJ_Desi_Guy
03-19-2014, 12:42 PM
you are making my mouth water with references to the pakoras / samosas and kebabs.... sigh...
I will check the spicy Indian style cabbage recipe..
my bigger worry is that I am going to India for a month in Jun-Jul.... and I am worried that I might go overboard.....hopefully, I can get into a rhythm here before that, and keep the binge-ing to a minimum...

sarahBell
03-19-2014, 02:59 PM
you are making my mouth water with references to the pakoras / samosas and kebabs.... sigh...
I will check the spicy Indian style cabbage recipe..
my bigger worry is that I am going to India for a month in Jun-Jul.... and I am worried that I might go overboard.....hopefully, I can get into a rhythm here before that, and keep the binge-ing to a minimum...

Sorry :(

But I am going to be very very honest finding fresh un-wilted sick looking produce like lettuce and spinach is so hard over there (at least in Pakistan it is). Hopefully your taste buds will have changed by then and you will crave fresh veggies. Maybe steam your veggies and in a small pan dry "roast" your spiced, coat steamed veggies with EVOO and dust with warmed spices ( I do that now and then) or add spices to warmed EVOO in small skillet then top steam veggies?

We are thinking about going to Pakistan in july-august and I speak from experience (outsider coming in) that finding fresh lettuce and stuff in Abbottabad is near impossible. We had to go to Islamabad to farmers market to get it, and it was bitter and nasty............so I am going to hope for better this time if we go LOL. I lose about 15lbs when we go there, I do not eat much because I don't like fried food all the time or rice for that matter LOL.

canadjineh
03-19-2014, 03:40 PM
you are making my mouth water with references to the pakoras / samosas and kebabs.... sigh...
I will check the spicy Indian style cabbage recipe..
my bigger worry is that I am going to India for a month in Jun-Jul.... and I am worried that I might go overboard.....hopefully, I can get into a rhythm here before that, and keep the binge-ing to a minimum...

Check with your coach about doing the Alternative Plan, the one that uses 1 fruit, 1 dairy (yogourt would be useful in this case) and one starch (I used a serving of rice or potato). You will still lose weight (just a tiny bit slower) but it will make it so much easier to eat while travelling there. I eat Asian food a lot, because I have to be gluten free so I know what I'm talking about. I make it from scratch, lol. You should see my huge packing box of spices...
Liana

NJ_Desi_Guy
03-20-2014, 02:47 PM
Check with your coach about doing the Alternative Plan, the one that uses 1 fruit, 1 dairy (yogourt would be useful in this case) and one starch (I used a serving of rice or potato). You will still lose weight (just a tiny bit slower) but it will make it so much easier to eat while travelling there. I eat Asian food a lot, because I have to be gluten free so I know what I'm talking about. I make it from scratch, lol. You should see my huge packing box of spices...
Liana
I am doing a weigh in today.. so let me check with them on the alternate diet..
BTW, my daughter's name is Lianna... , just like yours...

canadjineh
03-24-2014, 12:44 PM
I am doing a weigh in today.. so let me check with them on the alternate diet..
BTW, my daughter's name is Lianna... , just like yours...

NJ Desi Guy: How did the weigh in go?? What did the coach say about alternate plan? Let's hear more... :wave:

Liana

NJ_Desi_Guy
03-25-2014, 11:02 PM
NJ Desi Guy: How did the weigh in go?? What did the coach say about alternate plan? Let's hear more... :wave:

Liana
Liana - The weigh in was great. good progress.. and on the alternate diet, I didn't check with them, cause I didn't see it on their shelves. Also, since the time I shied away from Asparagus, i dont seem to have Gout problems anymore ! :).. so hopefully I wouldn't have to switch..
Already I am feeling much lighter and my knees are not painful when I climb down the stairs... so.. lets see how it goes...

sarahBell
03-25-2014, 11:06 PM
Liana - The weigh in was great. good progress.. and on the alternate diet, I didn't check with them, cause I didn't see it on their shelves. Also, since the time I shied away from Asparagus, i dont seem to have Gout problems anymore ! :).. so hopefully I wouldn't have to switch..
Already I am feeling much lighter and my knees are not painful when I climb down the stairs... so.. lets see how it goes...

Awesome! !!