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Liliann
02-28-2014, 10:28 PM
Hello....I had started to keep a food journal and tracking only fiber. ...Which it keep hunger at bay.

My food staples are
wheat pastas
wheat bagels
fruit jams w fiber
plain air popcorn
Peanut butter

My non fiber
Dannon greek yogurt...(Hooked on it)

Beverages
iced coffee w sugar and milk,water, diet coke.

I was wondering if anyone else track only fiber? and seeing results...Maybe we can share our daily fiber count for accountable.

Friday...Total fiber... 52

Thanks for reading and Good luck to all.


Liliann
03-01-2014, 07:14 PM
Saturday Total Fiber.. 68

Steelslady
03-01-2014, 10:23 PM
Hi Liliann!

I, too, am counting fiber grams. I started in February, and have lost steadily since then. My doctors are ecstatic because I've lost 20 pounds since October, most of which came off in February.

I'm going to subscribe to this thread, and I will try and join you daily in the count, although, some days, I just eat high fiber but don't necessarily know exactly how much a day I take in- usually from 30-50 grams.

I have to say, I feel so much better on this way of life than I ever have on any diet. I am eating much healthier, like I did when I was younger and thin. Took me long enough to just do what I did before, and ignore all the crazy diets I've subjected myself to in the past.

Good luck, and keep up the great work. This is our year, Liliann! We're going to do it and get this weight off for good. :hug:


Liliann
03-01-2014, 10:49 PM
SteelsLady.....Thanks for your kind comment and glad that you also doing Fiber counting...Bravo on your current losses!!! Its nature way and simple!! Keep it up!! :)

Updated my count..had a evening snack..So for Saturday Total Fiber = 82.

aleka
03-02-2014, 07:54 AM
Hi! May I join you? Are you just counting fiber grams or are you also counting calories? A few years ago there was a diet book out called, "Full Plate Diet". If you do a search for Full Plate Living, you can click on their website. I think they are on Facebook under Full Plate Living. I have to do something to lose weight and this sounds good.

Steelslady
03-02-2014, 12:27 PM
Hi! May I join you? Are you just counting fiber grams or are you also counting calories? A few years ago there was a diet book out called, "Full Plate Diet". If you do a search for Full Plate Living, you can click on their website. I think they are on Facebook under Full Plate Living. I have to do something to lose weight and this sounds good.

The more the merrier! Would love to have another buddy joining us!

I'll give you a sample of my day, so you can see what I do, and perhaps Liliann can do the same:

Breakfast-

2 high fiber (Thomas' brand) English muffins
2 slices of low sodium bacon
2 eggs, fried
1 slice Kraft 2% American cheese
1 tablespoon Light Hellman's mayonaise
as much popcorn as I want, to feel pleasantly full

Lunch or Dinner some nights, when in a rush- too full for lunch most days, but if I do have it, I get have:

high fiber wrap (Joseph's brand around here)
light mayo
load that sucker up with any and all vegetables you enjoy (lettuce, tomato, pickles, olives, onions (can't eat the skins, allergic to them, but you can have them if you want!) baby spinach, beet greens, peppers- just fill it, baby!!!!!
any deli meat (3-4 ounces), can of tuna, etc that you want.
I also enjoy Kashi black bean chips- delish! or okra pieces they sell in a container at Walmart- six grams of fiber per serving
any piece of fruit
1 pack of high fiber almonds, 100 calorie pack

dinner-

high fiber salad- load it up again- I need to feel full, so I have a HUGE salad. Usually, I put in mine about 3-4 cups lettuce (you can have a mixture of greens- makes it taste different every night), half of a cucumber, 1 carrot, peeled and cut into rounds, 1/4 of a large red bell pepper, 2 ounces of cheddar cheese from a block, cut into bite size pieces, grape tomatoes, handful of dried cranberries, olives of the day (love those things, lol), oh and I enjoy CROUTONS- garlic and butter flavor, and Fat Free Catalina dressing. Make it so that YOU love and enjoy it, and change it up daily. Add some chicken or what I call "meat rolls"- slice of ham, bologna, turkey, and American cheese- roll em up, slice into rounds. Or add cottage cheese.

After I eat my salad, I just enjoy whatever I want with it- your pleasantly full by the time you eat your meal- make sure you eat enough vegetables and fruits to feel on the somewhat full side- you'll want less of whatever else you're having, I promise. I've eaten a variety of foods for dinner- if it is a highly fattening meal, I just make sure I am near stuffed before I have it with salad- then I get my "treat food" without the guilt. Most days, I have just a meat and more veggies, but some days, we want lasagna or something like it for dinner.

Things I eat on other days:
lots of popcorn- I cook mine in the microwave with I Can't Believe It's Not Butter spray- about 1 and 1/2 teaspoons of ICBINBS to 3-4 tablespoons of popcorn kernels. I have a microwave popcorn bowl I bought on Amazon.com to make it.

fruits and veggies- the more, the better!

High fiber breads- English muffins, bread, wraps- all high fiber, though not necessarily the wheat kind- it bothers my tummy some days, I usually get whole grain kind

high fiber pasta

100 calorie pack of almonds or any nuts

oh, and I sneak in a snack size Snicker's Bar or two daily, or something with nuts in it, for a sweet treat

If you notice- I eat a high fiber meal twice a day, with HIGH PROTEIN, too! Both of these will keep you full and happy. Some days, I splurge and while I still eat healthy, I've gone out to dinner with family and friends- buffets are my family's favorite- so I load up on salad first, then grab veggies and meat. The Chinese buffet we go to has this awesome Broccoli and Chicken- I load up on that dish- so good!

Ok, so some days I sneak in a crab rangoon or two :D, but usually, though, we don't eat out all the time, so it's just a "treat" meal I allow perhaps every week or two. Although, I must be honest, this diet, it's a great way of life, and honestly, I feel so good and healthy, and because I am full all the time, I am content.

I try to exercise every day, too. I have a recumbent bike that I ride 3-4 days a week. My kids gave me an awesome tablet for my birthday, so I put a bunch of sons from You Tube into a playlist called "exercise music", play that while peddling, and sometimes will play games on Facebook while I am peddling, because I am such a multi tasker, lol!

I also do stretching, toning, some yoga poses on the other days- relaxing stuff, not kill myself wrapping myself into a pretzel stuff and end up in traction.

I also try to swim at the hotel 1/2 away from us- they have a hot tub there, so we swim for about an hour and a half, and end up in the hot tub once or twice for about 15-20 minutes each time.

I also have an Ipod- I shut my bedroom door and either walk/jog in place or dance away- whatever I feel like it.

Try to do some kind of exercise in your day- but make it what YOU enjoy. If you love to jump rope or hula hoop- just do it, and have fun. Keep it enjoyable, and you're more likely to stick to it. I can't do Elliptical machines or tread mills- killer on my knee, which I have problems with because of two old injuries.

I hope this has helped give you an idea as to what I do and how it works. I am proud to say, I am now under 300 pounds- this morning, woke up at 297.4 pounds. I might need to change my ticker now. :D

Have a great day, and perhaps Liliann will share a daily menu with you as well. Just be creative, and eat what you love for high fiber and protein. I don't fuss about sauces on my meat- I enjoy BBQ, chinese sauces, etc- it tastes good and I feel satisfied and full. How can you beat that?

Steelslady
03-02-2014, 01:48 PM
SteelsLady.....Thanks for your kind comment and glad that you also doing Fiber counting...Bravo on your current losses!!! Its nature way and simple!! Keep it up!! :)

Updated my count..had a evening snack..So for Saturday Total Fiber = 82.

Awe, you deserve kindness, Liliann! I am so happy you made this thread- I've been wanting to find others, too, who are doing this- nice to share ideas, recipes, as well as cheer each other on as our scales go down! ;)

I thought of you today, as I found a jar of Polaner "Sugar Free" Seedless Blackberry Preserves. I didn't realize it was sugar free- I only use Stevia Sweet Drops and don't touch other artificial sweeteners, but I tried it anyway. Very flavorless, I must say, even for sugar free. I had it on my high fiber English Muffins- at least I got in another 6 grams of fiber anyway. :D I am going to go to the store today and get a regular Polaner High Fiber preserves- I am so glad you mentioned it, as I forgot I had this, but fool me got sugar free- ugh! No one else in the house will eat it, either- they hate how sugar free stuff tastes, so looks like I am ditching it.

Speaking of Polaner, I have a funny story to share with you ladies. One year for Easter, my husband went shopping for me, and I needed cherry preserves for a ham glaze. At that time, I didn't know about Polaner being high fiber, so I made my glaze, and I have to say, it was delicious- TOO delicious, as everyone filled up on the ham, saying it was the best they had ever had. Well, good thing I have two bathrooms, as you can guess, family and friends hit the bathroom several times, puzzled as I was. I mean, I always serve lots of veggies with our meals and on holidays, so at first it didn't faze me until my best friend made several trips, which never happens. :lol: The jars were still on the counter, I hadn't recycled them yet, and when I took a close look, I realized what had happened. Can you say holy *bleep*, literally? We laugh to this day over my "high fiber" ham sauce!

Also, meant to add to my above post- I vary what I eat on my high fiber English muffins. Some things I make:

English muffin Margharita pizzas- oven 350. I divide a tablespoon of olive oil amongst four high fiber English muffins (8 grams of fiber per muffin, 16 grams total right there!)- I spread the oil on the muffins, bake for about 8-10 minutes- I don't like my muffins soggy. I take one Roma tomato, slice it thin, and place on top of the muffins. I add mozzarella cheese, bake for another 8-10 minutes,or until my cheese is melted to my liking. Immediately after they come out of the oven, I add fresh basil leaves on top, let sit for two minutes. I usually eat these with a serving of Kashi Black Bean chips, another four grams of fiber, plus the tomato I think adds another gram of fiber or two- so that's around 21-22 grams of fiber in one meal.

Ham and cheese melts- same thing, coat with olive oil, cook like above, if you like it more firm and crunchy. If not, just coat anyway with oil, add ham and 2 slices of Kraft 2% American cheese divided amongst the four muffin halves. I sometimes add some Light Hellman's mayo and make it into a sandwich, sometimes adding some lettuce to it.

Bacon, egg, and cheese muffins- fry bacon, drain of grease. toast muffins (I like them sprayed with I Can't Believe It's Not Butter Spray and cooked in the frying pan, sprayed with Pam. I usually put a plate with a heavy cup on top of them to get an even "toasting". Fry eggs to your liking, or scramble them, microwave the cheese on the muffin, add bacon and eggs. I like a little light mayo on them- delish! I usually have popcorn or Kashi Black Bean chips or fried okra (6 grams of fiber per serving, sold at Walmart- called "Nature's Harvest Okra Sea Salt").

If you're in a sweet tooth mood- toast the muffins, spread two tablespoons of crunchy (my preference) or creamy peanut butter (2 grams of fiber) amongst the four muffins, add either two tablespoons of your favorite Polaner Fruit Preserves (3 grams of fiber per tablespoon, 6 grams total). This gives you a total of 24 grams of fiber. Enjoy with fruit or any high fiber snack- sometimes, I'll eat smoked almonds, other days, whatever high fiber snack suits me.

These are just some of the things I do to eat high fiber and protein at my meals. I forgot to add in my above post- I don't count calories, just fiber, and try to get at least 40 grams per day, though some days I get around 35. Experiment with different protein and spices, being creative keeps you from getting bored. some days, I'll just have bacon, eggs, muffins, and jelly on one of the muffins. Others, I make it into a breakfast sandwich. Play around with condiments, too, and as I said before, spices. Cream cheese with some chopped up veggies is also a nice change, also butter and parmesan cheese tastes great.

Later on tonight, if I have the time, I will post my "high fiber" cookie recipes, if you're interested. I cannot believe how fast these damn cookies disappear in my house- my husband, two of my three kids, and even sister loves them. The best part is they are high in fiber (made from Quaker's High Fiber Maple Flavored or Cinnamon flavored Oatmeal and chia seeds). I can't keep them in the house................so much for my diet food, I should I say, way of life food, lol. I don't consider myself on a diet!

Oh, and when starting out on a high fiber diet, it is best to build up to it. Don't eat 50 grams tomorrow, unless you know your body can tolerate it. Some folks can go right into it without any problems, others need to slowly build up the grams so that their digestion system doesn't rebel. I'll tell you this much, you're be pretty regular in the beginning of this diet, no constipation issues over here. :D

Also, one more piece of advice before I end this book, lol- drink PLENTY of water. You do need it on a high fiber diet. that's a good thing, keeps us hydrated. Well, I am off to ride my recumbent bike for another hour (hopefully), and hubby wants to go swimming tonight. Fun and relaxing day, listening to music while I peddle away and play Pet Saga or Candy Crush on Facebook.

Have a great day, everyone!!!!!!

aleka
03-02-2014, 04:20 PM
Thank you so much Steelslady for your welcome and posting a sample menu. Your salads sound a lot like what I make. I always put Craisins in my salads and a sprinkle of walnuts. In the summer I add about 1/2 cup of blueberries and they give it a little sweetness.

I bought a pkg. of Joseph's wraps last week and just looked at them and there are 6 g. of fiber in the ones I bought. I got them at Market Basket (I see you are also from NH). I find Market Basket has more of a selection of Joseph's products than Shaw's or Hannaford's.

Before they had the points system, WW had a Fat & Fiber Plan, where you aimed for at least 20-25g. of fiber. I plan on aiming for those numbers and increasing the amount slowly. I have an issue with my stomach where some foods don't agree with me and leave me feeling bloated and uncomfortable.

My DH & I are retired and for exercise we go to the mall and walk. We try to go Mon.-Fri., but these past couple of weeks with the snow storms and various appointments, we've only managed 1 or 2 days.

That was a funny story about the high fiber Polaner S/F jelly. I can just picture everyone running to the bathroom. :dizzy: I'll have to look for some. I used to love their apricot high fiber jelly and was known to eat it out of the jar. But, I can't find it anymore.

Liliann, I too am glad you started this thread, and thank you. It sounds like you're doing great. Hope you're having a good weekend.

Liliann
03-02-2014, 07:50 PM
Aleka...Welcome.Glad that you join us....I only count fiber...I used to track calories, but was very frusrated for me..Fiber is much easy for me. You doing well ...

Steelslady...You are doing wonderful.

I had a busy day and today...Sunday Total fiber = 37.

My foods daily is pretty easy, which eating same things everyday..But I will share my menu starting on Monday night.

Have a nice night and a High Fiber Monday...

Steelslady
03-03-2014, 01:32 PM
It was too late last night to post my menu from yesterday, as we didn't get home from swimming until 10 PM. Finished my huge salad around 11 PM, then had the rest after I cooked it. Late dinner, lol, but really strange thing about this high fiber/high protein diet- I ate my breakfast/lunch around noon time. Rode my recumbent bike for over an hour, spent time talking to hubby, went shopping at Walmart for an hour with hubby and kids, then went swimming. Shockingly, I was not hungry at all, until after swimming. Even then, it was a mild hunger- enough that I could make it home and make my salad and other food for dinner without grabbing some kind of snack. This has happened three times now since I started this diet and went swimming- usually, we are famished afterwards and have some popcorn, almonds/peanuts, or fruit for the ride home. Wow!

Also, another strange thing- usually, after I workout like I did yesterday for over two hours total, I gain anywhere between 2-4 pounds of water the next day from sore muscles. I woke up sore this morning (added five more laps up and back in the pool to my normal count), and instead of gaining anything, I lost four ounces! I know that isn't a lot of weight to lose, but usually, the scale goes the other way, not down, lol! I was happy about the loss. ;)

Anyhow, here is my menu from yesterday:

Breakfast/Lunch:
2 High Fiber English Muffins
2 Fried Eggs
2 slices low sodium bacon
A few sprays of ICBINB (I Can't Believe it's not Butter spray) on my muffins
2 tablespoons of Polaner Sugar Free Seedless Blackberry Preserves- picked this up by mistake- bought regular Strawberry last night, as I don't do sugar free additives except for Stevia. Tossing the Blackberry, tasted really blah anyway.

Dinner-

Huge Salad- lots of lettuce, 2 oz brick cheddar cheese in bite sized pieces, red delicious apple, dried cranberries, olives, red pepper, cucumbers, croutons, with Fat Free Catalina Dressing
2 beef hot dogs
2 hot dog rolls, grilled with ICBINBS
serving of Kashi Chili Lime Black Bean Crisps- tried this for the first time last night- I prefer the Southwest BBQ flavor. I'll finish this bag off but won't buy it again. Thank goodness I picked up a few of the Southwest BBQ kind- those are yummy and take care of my chip craving. :D

I haven't eat anything yet today, just haven't been hungry. Doing some housework and maybe some stretching, tonight, and yoga today for exercise- not sure yet. It is freezing up here in NH- another week of this, then we'll get a break, hopefully?

Steelslady
03-03-2014, 01:56 PM
Thank you so much Steelslady for your welcome and posting a sample menu. Your salads sound a lot like what I make. I always put Craisins in my salads and a sprinkle of walnuts. In the summer I add about 1/2 cup of blueberries and they give it a little sweetness.

I bought a pkg. of Joseph's wraps last week and just looked at them and there are 6 g. of fiber in the ones I bought. I got them at Market Basket (I see you are also from NH). I find Market Basket has more of a selection of Joseph's products than Shaw's or Hannaford's.

Before they had the points system, WW had a Fat & Fiber Plan, where you aimed for at least 20-25g. of fiber. I plan on aiming for those numbers and increasing the amount slowly. I have an issue with my stomach where some foods don't agree with me and leave me feeling bloated and uncomfortable.

My DH & I are retired and for exercise we go to the mall and walk. We try to go Mon.-Fri., but these past couple of weeks with the snow storms and various appointments, we've only managed 1 or 2 days.

That was a funny story about the high fiber Polaner S/F jelly. I can just picture everyone running to the bathroom. :dizzy: I'll have to look for some. I used to love their apricot high fiber jelly and was known to eat it out of the jar. But, I can't find it anymore.



Aleka- Glad to have you aboard! I hope you have great success. So far, so good for me. ;)

I love Market Basket- not only is their food cheaper, but I find it has more variety for dieters than Hannaford. I don't go to Shaws, way too expensive for me, lol. I like the Rochester Market Basket better than the Concord one, though- Concord's MB is way too small and doesn't have as much items there due to lack of space. It's always busy there, too- go figure!

I don't know where you live in NH, but I shop at the Concord Walmart Super Center, which has your Apricot Polaner High Fiber preserves. I got my strawberry flavor, will pick up apricot next week. I don't know if this helps you or not, but maybe a Walmart Super Center near you might have it?

Oh, and foolish me couldn't wait to order PB2 and try it. I am hearing great reviews about it online (here and other places), so I see Walden Farms has a no calorie peanut butter. I knew better than to buy it- while Walden Farms regular salad dressings and stuff is superb in taste, their "no calorie" foods leave something to be desired. Brought it home, tried a taste of it, and all I can say is, it don't taste like peanut butter to me, not even close. I might try to mix a tablespoon of it with a tablespoon of regular peanut butter to see if it tastes ok, enough so I don't waste the $4.00 I spent on that little jar. If not, another product to ditch *sigh*.

That's awesome that you and your hubby go mall walking! I've been trying to get my sister to go mall walking with me, she could benefit from the exercise (she doesn't do any at all, and is thin- go figure!). I would think she would love to go because it is comfortable at the mall- not too hot, not too cold, and there's bathrooms available, as we both have bladder issues and are both on medicine for it. So, I do my own thing, while she stays in her room downstairs, hardly moving at all during the day. She lives with my family and has lots of medical issues. I try to help her, but I have to take care of myself, know what I mean? She has three kids, and neither one will take her in or help her...............ugh! I already took care of my mother after my Dad died, not sure how I got this responsibility (as well as my family), but if she doesn't start taking better care of herself, she'll end up having a big stroke the doctor told her, instead of the mini strokes she's had in the past. She's stubborn, that one!

Anyhow, glad you're with Liliann and I on this, can't wait to hear both of you ladies' progress! Have a great day!

aleka
03-03-2014, 02:45 PM
Lilliann, thank you for the welcome. It looks like you had a nice high fiber day yesterday.

Steelslady, Congratulations on your 20 lb. weight loss. That's fantastic. Did you lose all of it by counting fiber? I live right outside of Concord and that's the same Walmart where I shop. What a small world. I'll have to check out the apricot jam the next time I'm there. The Market Basket where I shop is on Ft Eddy Rd. and it's a zoo in there. I like the MB in Hooksett better than the one where we shop. I mostly use Shaw's as a convenience store as it's closer to where I live. We eat "When Pigs Fly" bread and Shaw's carries more of it.

For breakfast I had
1 slice low carb toast 2g.
peanut butter
banana

Lunch:
1 c. Progresso Black Bean Soup 12g.
6 Triscuits 3g.
2 slices cracker cut cheese

Supper will be chicken and whatever frozen veggies I have on hand and maybe rice.

Liliann
03-03-2014, 04:06 PM
Hiya Fiber buddies...

Here is what I had so far today..I notice when am home, my fiber count is high and when am busy, its low. Today is not so busy, and aiming high.

AM
2 wheat bagels...14
4 tbsp peanut butter...4
4 tbsp Polner strawberry jam w fiber...12
3 snack size choco pudding..0

PM
1 wheat bagel...7
2 tbsp reg mayo...0
1/2c ,chopped onion...1
4 oz.canned tuna...0

Snack
5 c. air popcorn...5

Total Fiber so far...43

Not sure what I will have for dinner..Maybe a repeat that I had for lunch..and snack on air popcorn.,,,Beverages..coffee and water...Later... :)

Liliann
03-03-2014, 04:39 PM
I am a daily weigher..and so far am down 14 Lbs!!!..I have a long way to go and so fiber counting is for me and enjoying this journey!!

Enjoy your evening ladies...Go High Fiber!! :)

Steelslady
03-03-2014, 05:20 PM
WOOHOO LILIANN!!!!!! You go, girl!!!!! That is phenomenal!

I finally ate today- made the family their dinner, with adjustments to mine. Actually, this is my "breakfast/lunch because I wasn't hungry earlier today- no sense in forcing myself to eat when I'm not hungry (boy, THAT'S a switch).

Breakfast/Lunch:

1 large carrot, raw 2 grams
1/3 large cucumber, skin on
huge salad with lettuce, 1/4 red pepper, cut up Swiss cheese, cranberries, olives, garlic and butter croutons, and Fat Free Catalina dressing 2 grams
3 BBQ chicken drumsticks
Spring Vegetables,steamed in microwave 2 grams
1 cup Greek plain yogurt with 4 tbsp of Polaner Strawberry high fiber preserves 12 grams
1 serving of Okra chips- 6 grams

about 25 grams for breakfast/lunch

Dinner-

2 high fiber english muffins with ham and cheese and light mayo- 16 grams
1 serving Kashi southwest BBQ Black Bean chips- 4 grams
4 High Fiber cookies 15.2 grams
glass of milk

total dinner- 35.2
total for the day- 60.2

- shared some of the spring veggies (Green Giant steamables- they're ok, I guess) with hubby, trying to get rid of some stuff out of the pantry/freezer, so these were a side for me today.

I saw someone post on here somewhere that they eat Greek yogurt with preserves, so I decided to try it with the Polaner strawberry- it needed four tablespoons for me, but I have to say, it is absolutely DELICIOUS! I love it this way instead of adding just fruit to it- so good!

I'll edit this post later on after I eat my dinner, which will be much later tonight, as I am full.

Exercise- will add later when I figure out what I want to do tonight :carrot:

Liliann
03-03-2014, 05:58 PM
SteelsLady....You are doing great!! I like the idea of using the Polaner jam in greek yogurt..I will try that for my evening snack. Thanks for the tip! :)

Eleka...Great job so far...Keep it up!! :)

For dinner looks like am having another tuna w onions sandwhich w wheat bagel soon. Will post later on of my total count..

Enjoy your evening...:)

Liliann
03-03-2014, 08:03 PM
Dinner
1 wheat bagel...7
3 Gortons battered fish fillet...0

Total Fiber Count...50

Liliann
03-04-2014, 12:58 PM
I had gained those 14 Lbs plus 5 extra...It sounds like no more daily weigh ins for me and just become calm on this for a week by week basis..I have a new start weight and my day to peak is on Tuesday.

For my morning meal..
2 wheat bagels..14
4 tbsp peanut butter...4
4 tbsp Polanar starwberry jam w fiber..12
2 c. hot coffee w sugar and milk..

Snack
1 c, coffee w sugar and milk..0

Total Fiber so far...30..Later,

aleka
03-04-2014, 01:41 PM
Lillianne, I'm sorry that you gained weight and I'm sure it's only temporary. I read a post on another diet site about how the scale lies. I only wish I remember what it said. You're doing good.

Steelslady, What a good idea about putting jam in plain yogurt. I never would've thought of doing that. I'll buy some yogurt & jam this week when I go grocery shopping. I have put it in cottage cheese and it was good.

Lillianne & Steelslady, do either of you have a book that tells you the grams of fiber for food? Thanks!

Breakfast:
2 scrambled eggs....0
2 strips of bacon.....0
cheese.................. 0
Joseph's flax wrap...6g.

Lunch:
Ciabatta roll..................2g
ham.............................0
2 slices Swiss cheese......0

Supper will be:
hamburger........0
beans...............5g

I am kind of low today.

Liliann
03-04-2014, 04:59 PM
Aleka....I have a Calorie King book that has a fiber section ...also I read labels on breads/bagels, cereals,pastas,sauces.You doing good so far..Keep it up.

Lunch
1 wheat bagel...7
tuna w mayo and onions..1

Snack
1 yoplait vanilla greek yogurt w 1 tbsp strawberry jam w fiber..3

I ran out of wheat bagels, which tomorrow morning will stock up on wheat bagels,and Fiber one cereal, the orginal one which that is more..used to eat that when I was doing weight watchers points. Fiber one cereal have 14 g fiber for a 1/2 c. serving.

Dinner..will have
2 cups wheat spagetti....10
1 cup. pasta sauce...4
Grated cheese...0

I will add my total later on tonight...

I will ditch my daily weigh ins for weekly..Been doing good and what counts is my hunger scale..which counts the most...I will not give up!! Thanks for the listening ear.. :)

Liliann
03-04-2014, 06:49 PM
Dinner was planned..but had 3 cups of wheat spagetti.

Total Fiber ... 60

Steelslady
03-04-2014, 11:18 PM
Aleka....I have a Calorie King book that has a fiber section ...also I read labels on breads/bagels, cereals,pastas,sauces.You doing good so far..Keep it up.

Lunch
1 wheat bagel...7
tuna w mayo and onions..1

Snack
1 yoplait vanilla greek yogurt w 1 tbsp strawberry jam w fiber..3

I ran out of wheat bagels, which tomorrow morning will stock up on wheat bagels,and Fiber one cereal, the orginal one which that is more..used to eat that when I was doing weight watchers points. Fiber one cereal have 14 g fiber for a 1/2 c. serving.

Dinner..will have
2 cups wheat spagetti....10
1 cup. pasta sauce...4
Grated cheese...0

I will add my total later on tonight...

I will ditch my daily weigh ins for weekly..Been doing good and what counts is my hunger scale..which counts the most...I will not give up!! Thanks for the listening ear.. :)

Awe, Liliann, I so understand your frustration with water gain! It's is just rotten, especially when you are trying so hard to lose weight, and then to see the scale go up like that is just heartbreaking. Luckily, we know it's not our fault, and one of five things could have caused this:

1. If you're due for your monthly or already have it, there you go- instant water gain. Takes a few days for it to go down, may be best not to weight when just before due or during the first three to four days.

2. lower body edema- I have this, and am on a fluid pill. It doesn't cut out all the fluid, though- I have to watch my sodium intake daily. I eat natural diuretic foods like cucumbers, celery, melons, etc. Look up "natural diuretic foods"- there are several websites that will help you find food you like to eat daily, to help whoosh away excess sodium.

Also, every night, before I go to bed or before any nap I take, I put two huge fluffy pillows under my legs for 20-30 minutes while I read. This helps drain the fluid from your lower extremeties.

Also, twice a day, first thing in the morning and sometime in the afternoon, I drink apple cider vinegar with the Mother in it- Bragg's and Heinz have this kind of vinegar- must have the "Mother" in it, it will say it on the bottle, and I mix about 8 ounces of hot water, 1 tablespoon of the apple cider vinegar, and 4 drops of liquid Stevia. This has helped me so much with water weight!

3. Not enough water- on a high fiber diet, you need much more water than a regular diet. I drink at least two cups with every meal, then I fill a four cup tumbler of water and drink it after my meal. Strange thing- I don't pee as much on a high fiber diet, but well, the other way, oh yeah :lol:! Seriously, though- you could have a lot of fiber in your intestines waiting for the water to whisk it away. I also drink a tumbler of water first thing in the morning and before I got to bed.

4. Muscles retaining water from exercise- very common, folks gain anywhere between 1-4 pounds of water and retain it for a day or two until the muscle heals. That's a good thing, though- means you're getting in great shape, so hang in there!

The other day, remember when I said I was shocked I lost four ounces after swimming the other day? Well, I gained a pound this morning, though I suspect it might have to do with the fact that I ate very late last night (I didn't finish my dinner until 1:00 am last night :o ). Still, it didn't make me happy to wake up to that one pound gain.

Also, tonight I made Chinese Chicken with Broccoli. I decided to try and make it, as my daughter's best friend loves it. I wanted to try the recipe first, then surprise her with it one night when she slept over. Found out, I should have waited until tomorrow night, as she's sleeping over, my daughter tells me tonight, after I already made it, lol! Of course, I will save her some for tomorrow night when she comes over- it was delicious! However, I expect to have a four or five pound water weight gain in the morning- two reasons, one the Chinese Chicken, and two, I worked out again at the pool REALLY hard tonight for over two hours. I am already sore. I just know not to expect a loss tomorrow. :lol: Oh, well, it will come off eventually!

5. sleep apnea- I have this, and am on the CPAP and oxygen- thank God for this machine, it has helped me out tremendously with energy and well being. I was officially diagnosed in September, had an overnight sleep study done early October, got the machine in mid October, and little by little, I've been feeling better and more energetic.

6. thyroid levels- when hypo, they can wreak havoc with your weight. Hard to believe, but I have Grave's Disease (hyperthyroidism)- before I was diagnosed with it seven years ago, I had a ferocious appetite, yet I kept losing weight- first time ever in my life that that ever happened! However, my thyroid is now in hypo mode, so they've been slowly lowering my medicine, and the nurse told me once I am off of it, my weight will start to go down more because the medicine is keeping me hypo, which causes weight gain. My youngest daughter had Hashimoto's and cancer, they took hers out, poor baby is still hypo, they're trying to raise her levels so she is hyper for the rest of her life, or she will get cancer again. :( My point in telling you this, is to have your levels checked. Many times, a borderline diagnosis goes untreated, and by the time you get it checked a few months later, it's gotten worse. Can't hurt to rule it out, right?

I hope you find a nice loss when you weigh in next. Please don't get discouraged- it WILL come off eventually. Keep doing what you're doing, you are doing great. You deserve to be healthy and happy- please remember that and keep going, my friend! I am here with you all the way- like I said in my first post in this thread, this is OUR year to do it, Liliann- we've both been patient and have tried hard in the past, but we finally found something that works for us both, and we WILL succeed this time! :hug:

Steelslady
03-04-2014, 11:29 PM
Lillianne, I'm sorry that you gained weight and I'm sure it's only temporary. I read a post on another diet site about how the scale lies. I only wish I remember what it said. You're doing good.

Steelslady, What a good idea about putting jam in plain yogurt. I never would've thought of doing that. I'll buy some yogurt & jam this week when I go grocery shopping. I have put it in cottage cheese and it was good.

Lillianne & Steelslady, do either of you have a book that tells you the grams of fiber for food? Thanks!

Breakfast:
2 scrambled eggs....0
2 strips of bacon.....0
cheese.................. 0
Joseph's flax wrap...6g.

Lunch:
Ciabatta roll..................2g
ham.............................0
2 slices Swiss cheese......0

Supper will be:
hamburger........0
beans...............5g

I am kind of low today.

Glad I could be of help! I found it on someone else's menu, and decided to try it- wow, is it ever delicious! Forget adding fruit in the future- I'm just adding the preserves. :lol:

Steelslady
03-04-2014, 11:46 PM
Finally on to my menu today. :lol:

Breakfast/lunch-

grilled cheese and tomato with mayo on high fiber bread- 7 grams
popcorn- 2 grams
lots of water

total for B/L- 7 grams

Dinner-

Chinese Chicken and Broccoli- 4 grams
High Fiber White Spaghetti- 10 grams
1 small can of LeSeur's baby peas, rinsed of excess sodium- 6 grams
dessert- one cup plain Greek yogurt with 4 tbsp of Polaner Strawberry Preserves- 12 grams
lotsa lotsa water! :D

Dinner total- 32 grams

total grams today- 39 :o not high enough..........didn't have much time to eat- been crazy busy the last few days!

Exercise- intense and fun swimming for two hours straight, nice time in the hot tub afterwards. :carrot:

Have a great night, fiber counters! Talk to you in the morning!

Steelslady
03-05-2014, 12:04 AM
Lillianne & Steelslady, do either of you have a book that tells you the grams of fiber for food? Thanks!



I knew there was something I forgot to answer earlier, and couldn't go to bed until I figured out what it was. :lol: So sorry, I meant to address this question in my post to you above- brain fart, as they say!

I don't have any books now, but I used to years ago when I first did this- we're talking back in the 80's. However, there are plenty of websites out there with wonderful information on high fiber foods- just type in "high fiber foods" in your search bar, and tons of sites will come up. They are wonderful tools for me- I use them along with natural diuretic sites and they are just invaluable, as well as free. :D

pattygirl63
03-05-2014, 12:58 PM
I am so thrilled to find y'all. I've done high fiber years ago, but I didn't do much of a variety and got bored with it. Right now I use MFP to count calories, carbs and fats. I am in the process of getting my blood sugar under control. I've done it before with FF diet and I have one diabetic book that says that you can eat whatever you want as long as you eat fiber with it. I have another book called "Reverse Diabetes", but it is FF low protein/hi fiber carbs. Since I am more of a low carb/higher not real high protein eater, I wasn't willing to do it. I eat a lot of vegetable fiber but I had become irregular so I checked the fiber MFP and was surprised to find that I am only eating about 15 to 16 g of fiber a day. I realize that is way too low and I need more fiber.

Strange way I found you. I usually come to this part of 3fc to read Intuitive Eating thread because that is really my preferred way of eating rather than counting calories, carbs and fats. Low and behold I see your new thread and I began to read. Y'all are doing really well.

Steelslady Not only are you an inspiration but you have loads of info that I really needed to know. I checked out the diuretic foods. I have gained a lot of knowledge just reading your posts. I already eat loads of veggies and exercise because it helps with the blood glucose. I just need to add the fiber. I have gained some great ideas. BTW, I would love to have your recipe for the high fiber cookies. DH and I eat 2 cookie a day that we get from Sam's. I think if I had a good recipe that I could make them healthier.

I think my new favorite breakfast is the WG English muffin. I ate it this morning with one egg, sl of American cheese, Jimmie Dean 70% reduced fat turkey sausage pattie and I put Polaner with fiber Cherry flavored on it just to add fiber. Oh, I don't like the muffin soggy either so I put the cheese on one side and drizzled a small amount of olive oil on the other side and toasted it. Hummm-ummm good. I also use Stevia.

I am glad y'all started this thread and hope to become a part of it. Thanks for the info.

aleka
03-05-2014, 05:23 PM
Trish, welcome. I'm new here too and still finding my way around eating high fiber food.

Lillianne, thank you for telling me which book you have that lists fiber content, and Steelslady, thank you for explaining what to search for. They both were of great help.

I haven't been tracking my fiber today because DH & I travelled out of state today and had lunch out. Back on track tomorrow along with walking in the mall.

Hope everyone has a great evening. I'll be going to bed early because I only had about 3 hrs. sleep last night.....and I'm tired.

Liliann
03-05-2014, 05:31 PM
SteelsLady....You are doing great!! Keep it going!!

Trish...Welcome, glad that you found us and you are doing great as well...Keep it up!!

Had a busy day, plenty,plenty of walking of food shopping...I walked about 2 hours today...whew! I am not complaining!!!

Here is my menu for today and will add more and my count later on this evening.

Breakfast
2 slices white bread...2
2 tbsp peanut butter..2
2 tbsp strawberry jam w fiber...6

Snack
2 donuts...0

Lunch
2 slices high fiber bread...10
2 tbsp peanut butter..2
1 tbsp strawberry jam w fiber...3
1 tbsp apricot jam w fiber...3

Snack
2 slices fiber bread...10
2 tbsp peanut butter..2
2 tbsp apricot jam w fiber...6

Not sure what I will have for dinner, maybe fried eggs w wheat bread..add later on..

Total Fiber so far..46

Liliann
03-05-2014, 06:57 PM
Dinner
2 grilled cheese sandwhiches on fiber breads..20
butter/cheese...0
1 lowfat dannon yogurt....0

Been drinking coffee all day long, hot/cold...0

Total Fiber...66

We can do this folks!! Have a nice and high fiber Thursday!! Fiber Rules!!:)

pattygirl63
03-05-2014, 09:30 PM
Ended up with 37 g 0f fiber today according to MFP.

Liliann
03-06-2014, 08:55 AM
Trish....Great job!! Keep it up!!

Eleka...Enjoy your walking at the mall.

Have a High Fiber day!! We are doing awesome!!! :) Later all.

Steelslady
03-06-2014, 11:11 AM
Trisha- thank you for the kind words- I am happy that I was able to help! :hug: Welcome aboard to our little corner of the world- it's a wonderful place to be. It looks like you are off to a great start- great job!

So sorry I didn't get to post yesterday ladies, my computer is acting funky. Some days it works good, others not so. One of my friends is suppose to come over in a week or two to fix it- I can't wait!

Anyhow, here is yesterday's menu:

Breakfast- 1 100 calorie pack of smoked almonds- 2 grams
1 snack sized Snickers- .5

total for breakfast 2.5

Lunch- Tuna fish on high fiber bread- 6
iceburg lettuce- .5
okra chips- 6
Kashi Black Bean BBQ Chips- 8

total for lunch: 20.5

snack-
6 pieces of Chinese Chicken leftover from day before- 0

dinner-
high fiber pasta salad made with a boiled egg, garden sweet pickles, Hellman's light mayonaise, black pepper- 10 grams
1 hot dog roll- 1
1 beef hot dog with lots of German hot mustard
1 snack sized Snickers bar- .5

total for dinner- 11.5

total for the day- 34.5

Yesterday was like a grazing day for me- I ate a little here or there, until after I did my 1 hour on the recumbent bike. I guess that's why I was a bit low yesterday- it was a real lazy day, too, for me. It was snowing, I was still tired from the hard workout I did the day before, even took a 3 hour nap. :lol:

I did lose that pound that I gained the day before yesterday as well as another 4 ounces. Today, my weight was the same as yesterday- 296.6.

Have a Happy High Fiber Day, everyone! :carrot:

pattygirl63
03-06-2014, 12:53 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome.

I weigh daily just to keep up with what is going on. My weight was up .8 but not a surprise since I'm added in the carby fibers. The GREAT news is that my fasting blood glucose was 118 mg. The lowest it has been in ages and it is almost normal. Whoo-hoo :cheer2: I even ate a little a regular serving of air popped popcorn with 3 T of whipped butter. That isn't really much butter but it does give it a hint of buttery flavor. I am so thrilled with this. I've been trying for about 6 yrs to get my fbg under 140 mg. I guess what the Diabetic book said about fiber is true. :dizzy:

Thanks Liliann for starting this thread. :hug: :) Just what I needed.

Steelslady Where do you find the kashi black bean chips and okra chips. I looked around the chips and the gluten free section at Walmart and didn't see them. Do they have a special place in the store or do I have to go to a special whole food type store... maybe a health food store. We don't have a health food store per se, but do have one store that does carry some healthier foods than others. So I may have to go there.

Got to run. Hubby has to go for a blood test because he takes Warfarin. I'll come back later and post my food and fiber count.

Liliann
03-06-2014, 03:54 PM
SteelsLady...Good that your scale is moving down for ya!! Yahoo! Keep up the great work!!

Trish...Glad that your fbg went down...That is best news rather than the scale news! Keep it going!!

I am eating the same things daily...My motto is carbs/protein/fiber...that keeps me going. I had read from Dr.Oz book is to eat the same foods ..Which I don't mind and also eating high fiber, on a low budget.. I am pleased and also my tummy agrees :) . I will post my total fiber count tonight...

Keep up the good work all...We are going to succeed!!! :)

Liliann
03-06-2014, 05:30 PM
It dawned on me that I been tracking fiber for a week...So, I weighed in and lost that 14 Lbs for this week!! Yahoooo!!! :scale: I won't weigh in till next week..I am making Thursdays my time to peak!! This motivated me even more!! Fiber Rules!! :)

Thank you all for joining with me....WE CAN DO THIS!!!!

My Fiber so far is 50...Did not have dinner yet...Later Fiber buddies!!! :)

Liliann
03-06-2014, 07:02 PM
Total Fiber...65

pattygirl63
03-06-2014, 08:13 PM
Only got 25 grams fiber today, but better than 15 and only day 2. We ate out today at Pizza Hut and got only 4 grams of fiber on their pizzas.

Editing this to say I decided to make PB sandwich on double fiber bread so I ended the day with 37 grams of fiber. :)

Steelslady
03-07-2014, 12:01 AM
Only got 25 grams fiber today, but better than 15 and only day 2. We ate out today at Pizza Hut and got only 4 grams of fiber on their pizzas.

Editing this to say I decided to make PB sandwich on double fiber bread so I ended the day with 37 grams of fiber. :)

Way to go, Trisha! You are definitely having a great day- that must have been so awesome, having your sugar levels come out so nice! I love that you still got in all your fiber today, even though you enjoyed a nice dinner out. That's why I love this way of life- nothing is ever off limits, and to me, the food tastes much much better than low carb or other restrictive diets. You'll have to let us know if the awesome sugar levels continue- I am so happy for you!

I found the Kashi products near the dairy section in our Super Center in Concord, NH. They had their own display case- they must be new, as I just found them last week. The Fried Okra, called Nature's Harvest Okra with Sea Salt I found near the produce section on a display with green beans that are fried and other dried fruits and such.

I just saw online that there is a new product called Beanitos that I want to try, too- they have Nacho Cheese white bean chips (5 grams per serving) as well as Better Cheddar pinto bean. They have other flavors, too- check them out here: http://www.beanitos.com . Supposedly, my Hannaford near me was suppose to have them, but they told me they didn't, but the other bigger stores did. Looks like I will have to wait until next week when I go to Concord to find them and try them out. For once, I wish this Hannaford near us would have what we need. My youngest daughter has a gluten allergy, and half of the stuff that she loves and enjoys they don't have at this store, but at their other stores. :tantrum: It's a pain in the butt, having to drive a half hour just to check out one product or to buy all the stuff you need in bulk because you don't know when you'll get to that store again. I just hope that they taste good. I told hubby I want to buy a couple of flavors, open them up in the car and taste them. If they taste great, I'll go back and get more, but I don't want to have to worry about them tasting good and not getting enough for the week (he's doing the high fiber diet with me), but at the same time, I hate to buy anything in bulk without trying it first, in case they taste like sawdust. :lol: For instance, I have to make him take just one portion of the fried okra chips- he loves them so much, he'd eat the whole package! I bought three packages on Friday, and he's already eaten his way through two already, lol!

Keep up the awesome work, Trisha- you are doing great!

Steelslady
03-07-2014, 12:36 AM
It dawned on me that I been tracking fiber for a week...So, I weighed in and lost that 14 Lbs for this week!! Yahoooo!!! :scale: I won't weigh in till next week..I am making Thursdays my time to peak!! This motivated me even more!! Fiber Rules!! :)

Thank you all for joining with me....WE CAN DO THIS!!!!

My Fiber so far is 50...Did not have dinner yet...Later Fiber buddies!!! :)

Way to go, Liliann!!!!! That is a phenomenal loss! You have to be so proud of yourself! Keep going, girl friend, you are doing awesome! :carrot:

Steelslady
03-07-2014, 12:45 AM
My menu for day is very little. I just wasn't that hungry today.

Breakfast-

2 servings of Kashi Southwest BBQ Black Bean Crisps- 8 grams

total for breakfast- 8 grams

Lunch/Dinner-

turkey, cucumber, American cheese and light mayonaise on 2 pieces of Arnold's Double fiber bread- 12 grams

2 cups of homemade Red Lentil Soup- 18 grams

total for lunch/dinner- 30 grams

lots of water

total for the day- 38 grams

Have a Happy High Fiber Friday, ladies!

Steelslady
03-07-2014, 11:51 AM
Good morning, Fiber Counters! I woke up this morning weighing 294.2, losing another 2.4 pounds. Started my Fiber Friday on a great note. :D

I hope you are all having a great day. Still undecided as to what I want for breakfast/lunch today. I'll figure something out soon!

Liliann
03-07-2014, 12:54 PM
Trish.....Great Fiber count!! Awesome!! Keep it up!!

SteelsLady...Bravo on your scale move and fiber count!! Great job and keep it going!!

I am doing good...Fiber 18 for this morning!! Soon will make myself lunch.. I will check in tonight for my total count for today..

Everyone is doing great and keep up fiber buddies!! Its worth it!! :)

pattygirl63
03-07-2014, 06:40 PM
Lilliann Sorry I missed congratulating you on your 14 lb loss. You are doing great.

Steelslady Thanks for the Beanitos site. I looked it up and it is sold several places here even my Walmart. I must have just missed them or they were out of them. I looked up the Kashi site and they don't sell the crisps here. :( I forgot to look up the okra chips. I will look that up too. The store we had that probably had it has sold out to Publix and I'm sure they will sell them but they aren't supposed to open until 2015. I will be going to Food Lion when I leave the beauty shop tomorrow to see if I can get them there. I hope they will have the okra chips too. DH and I drink okra water to help lower our fbs. Not sure it really works as the article I read said it can take up to 3 months. But okra is good for that as well.

I agree that eating fiber sure is better than eating low carb. The only thing I'm really having a problem getting use to is that I don't really have to worry about calories too much as I am eating a little more than usual, but then maybe that will balance out as I get use to eating this way.

My Calorie King book isn't fiber count; it is fat count. So I am using the fiber count on the labels and then using the counts for other things on MFP.

I've got my plan already loaded on MFP and the fiber count for today will be 35.

I'm trying to keep may fiber in 30 to 35 grams range for maybe a week or two and then gradually raise it 5 grams at a time for a few weeks at a time until I reach around 50 grams. This is the way my diabetic book says to do it that way. It recommends doing no less than 30 grams a day of fiber and recommends building up to 50 grams a day. However, I found it interesting too that it says that if you don't want to add so many carbs that you can add more protein. So I'll be working on making that decision and working it out as I progress. I'm going to re-read the book and will thoroughly enjoy doing it.

The book also recommend 3 meals and 3 snacks. I don't really get hungry for 3 snacks. I do more of a 3 meals and 1 snack. I like snacking at night so I make a snack of air popped popcorn at night and it is soooo nice to be able snack on something I really love and it is legal. :D You couldn't ask for anything better.

Liliann
03-07-2014, 08:21 PM
Trish....You are doing such wonderful job on adding fiber!! Awesome!! Keep it up!

I had a busy day, 1 hour walking plus house chores...Hardly did not eat much for today..somedays is low ,somedays is high. I am loving fiber counting. It keeps me full till 3 hours or so. and its helping me..To bad I had not done this sooner and always tackled with calories...but not anymore...Fiber foods is my friend!!!

Total Fiber...48

I will be busy this weekend at the home front...but will try to add saturday count on Sunday night..or Monday..for the weekend total fiber.

Keep it going folks!! We are doing such remarkable progress... I am proud of you all... :) Have a nice weekend...later...

Liliann
03-07-2014, 08:49 PM
Had a evening snack..Total fiber 56

Steelslady
03-07-2014, 08:51 PM
Trish- I am so sorry, I was calling you Trisha and just realized that wasn't correct! You are doing this perfectly- gradually adding more is best. I eat high fiber/high protein- it really helps keep me full and happy. The best thing about this way of life is nothing is off limits, so long as you keep up with the fiber. It's nice to be able to have say, an ice cream cone in the summer if you want it, and not drive yourself crazy over the calorie aspect. Besides, I like counting fiber instead of calories- less "long" math word problems, if you catch my drift. :D So much easier to just count fiber.

I tried low carb- could never ever go below 40 grams- otherwise, I felt really sick and unwell. After the third or fourth day on it, I would feel so sick, that any form of protein made me want to literally throw up. My doctor forbid me from this diet (Atkins), after I went to her after my third attempt, wondering why so many people were having success with this diet but I was not. She told me that because my Mom died of kidney cancer, that I might have inherited kidney issues from her and that it could very well be a warning to my body to stop with the heavy protein intake. She also said my kidneys were being severely affected by the low carb dieting and that they may be slowly shutting down (hence why the sight of protein made me feel like I was going to hurl), so I had to stop. She thinks low carb is great for most people, but those with a history of kidney problems or have a family history of kidney problems needs to be careful with this kind of diet. I'm not to upset by this, though. To be honest, I really really hated that way of eating. So restrictive and just not enjoyable to me. Others love it and do great on it, and I think that is wonderful.

How were your sugars this morning? How is your husband doing? Did he get the results from his blood test back?

Steelslady
03-07-2014, 09:10 PM
Trish....You are doing such wonderful job on adding fiber!! Awesome!! Keep it up!

I had a busy day, 1 hour walking plus house chores...Hardly did not eat much for today..somedays is low ,somedays is high. I am loving fiber counting. It keeps me full till 3 hours or so. and its helping me..To bad I had not done this sooner and always tackled with calories...but not anymore...Fiber foods is my friend!!!

Total Fiber...48

I will be busy this weekend at the home front...but will try to add saturday count on Sunday night..or Monday..for the weekend total fiber.

Keep it going folks!! We are doing such remarkable progress... I am proud of you all... :) Have a nice weekend...later...


Nice job on the walking! I need to do something tonight. Was busy on and off today, but it's no excuse not to get some exercise in. :lol: I did do some toning exercises, but not enough to really count.

Liliann, if you're busy this weekend, please don't worry about posting! No pressure here- I just thought it would be nice to show any new folks what we're doing so they have an idea of how fiber counting is done. Aleka and Trish have been doing great as well, and it's nice to see what they're doing for food and menus, too. You ladies got me craving peanut butter and jelly, so I had some on my second English muffin today, it was yummy!

I think, though, I added way, way, way too much Polaner spread to my yogurt tonight- it was way too sweet for me, but I finished it anyway because I didn't want to waste it. It was edible, just too sugary, lol.
I still have about two more cups left in that big container, then I have the new vanilla Greek yogurt- I will probably use less preserves now that it has vanilla sweetener in it. I'll find out in a day or two.

Today's menu-

Breakfast/lunch-

2 fried eggs
2 slices low sodium bacon
2 HF English muffins- 16 grams
2 tablespoons half Walden Farms No cal/half regular peanut butter 4 grams
2 tablespoons Polaner HF Grape jelly- 6 grams
high fiber peanut butter bar, Hannaford version- 10 grams

total for b/l- 36 grams

Dinner-

2 pork chops, marinated in apple juice, onion powder, black pepper
Bell's stuffing- 6 grams
1/4 cup yellow rice
1 cup Greek yogurt
4 tablespoons of Polaner HF Strawberry- 12 grams

total for dinner- 18 grams

late night snack-

two pieces Arnold's double fiber bread, toasted-12 grams
Smart Balance low sodium butter spread

total for day- 66 grams

pattygirl63
03-07-2014, 11:23 PM
Steelslady My sisters call me Trisha so that's okay. My name is Patricia and my Daddy reminds me often that it is because he doesn't like nicknames. Never figured out why as his grandfather who raised him and he adored had a nickname for everyone so I've heard. For years people called me Pat except for my sisters. When I married Tony and left TX with him, he liked the name Trish. So you didn't do anything wrong.

My fbs was back up to 159 this morning, but I think that was because I ate pizza at Pizza Hut yesterday. Didn't know how to count the fiber or calories because I built a Personal pan pizza and of course it was very thick crust and as close as I could figure only 4 grams of fiber plus it probably was more salt than I'm used to. Also my calories have been really high yesterday and today.

I'm not discouraged though as I suddenly realize that I can change what I can eat that I couldn't eat lowcarbing. Such as Thomas 100% whole wheat bagel thins and have my fiber and lower my calories for breakfast. I actually changed my daily goals on MFP and will officially make tomorrow my new fiber diet start day. Now that I know that this will work for lowering my blood sugar and I'm sure it will work for the weight loss. My diabetic book says to keep calories between 1500 and 1600.

I found your info about lowcarb and the kidneys. I had heard that it was bad for the kidneys but also heard it wasn't. It makes sense that it might not be good for everyone. We sure have learned over the years that "One size fits all" diets do not work.

When we moved to SC and I met my doctor, I got fbs under control by strict lowcarbing. But there came a day that I told him, I just didn't think I could even look at much less eat another piece of meat without getting sick. Until I found y'all, I decided that I had no choice but to eat lowcarb, but I decided that that I wouldn't do it strictly... I decided that I would do it but not strictly as Atkins. I would eat only 12 to 20 grams of carbs at any one time. And I decided that I would only eat a helping of protein and not overdo because I knew that I would get sick of it. Now that I've learned the truth about how fiber works and know that it does work, I can make it work for me and maybe even get my weight to come down at the same time. I am so grateful to have found y'all. There have been times when I felt that my backaches might be my kidneys although there is no history of kidney problems in my family that I know of. Of course, my doctor keeps an eye on that and so far nothing shows up. It is my hope that now that I'm watching the fiber not eating strict lowcarb perhaps that will correct itself if that was my kidneys being agitated. Of course, it could be just a plain old backache and it won't be corrected until the weight comes down some.

DH PT test was a little hi, but he is eating more green foods and healthier foods. I had asked the doctor about it because he had never given us a list of foods he couldn't eat such as those with vitamin k. He told me to let him go ahead and eat a little of them that he wants because he uses the PT tests to make the corrections with the Warfarin. Our doctor is so thorough and works with us so beautifully. I just love him and so thankful for him. There are times I would love to move back to TX and be close to my family, but this doctor has been through so much with DH and me especially DH. I'm just not sure I could find another one as good as he is.

I didn't realize how late it is. No wonder I'm sleepy. Goodnight.

pattygirl63
03-08-2014, 09:38 AM
Although weight still went up, fbs is coming back down from. It was 159 yesterday and is 150 this morning. I know the weight is because of going from lowcarb to eating carbs and I think I need to spread them over the day more. I never understood eating every few hours or how to eat smaller meals throughout the day, but I think that counting fiber is going to make that easier. I know it is a whole lot more palatable.

BBL to post my totals for today.

Have a nice day.

pattygirl63
03-08-2014, 04:56 PM
30 grams of fiber and less than 1600 calories for today. Turned out to be a good day.

Liliann
03-08-2014, 08:20 PM
Total fiber...36

Keep it going!! :)

Liliann
03-09-2014, 09:45 AM
Doing good and staying strong!!! My morning fiber is 27...

Have a great day all!!!

pattygirl63
03-09-2014, 08:06 PM
44 grams of fiber and under 1500 calories.

I think my fiber has to come from natural foods and not from processed foods because of the blood sugar. Weight and fasting blood sugar was up today. Weight was 234.4 and fbs was 165 mg. I refuse to allow my weight or fbs go up any more. I worked to hard to get weight down below 230s and fbs below 150s.

Liliann
03-09-2014, 09:17 PM
Total fiber ...55

Trish...hang in there...you doing good!!

Have a great ,high fiber Monday!!! :)

Steelslady
03-09-2014, 11:17 PM
44 grams of fiber and under 1500 calories.

I think my fiber has to come from natural foods and not from processed foods because of the blood sugar. Weight and fasting blood sugar was up today. Weight was 234.4 and fbs was 165 mg. I refuse to allow my weight or fbs go up any more. I worked to hard to get weight down below 230s and fbs below 150s.

Trish- I can somewhat relate to you in terms of sugar problems. I've had hypoglycemia since I was a kid. I was the kid that threw up after a cake and ice cream birthday party- I learned very very young not to eat those two items together, especially if I didn't have a source of protein paired with them. I cannot eat too much sugar, and never ever can I have a muffin, donut, french toast, anything sweet in the morning, unless I pair it with bacon, ham, eggs, etc. I usually don't eat anything sweet in the mornings, because it makes me very tired as well as hungry the rest of the day.

Since I found out at the age of 13 that I had hypoglycemia, I've been diligent to make sure I always eat a piece of protein with any carbs. Once in a blue moon, I can get away with it and have, say, popcorn for a snack at night, but in general, I always have a protein source. Especially with fruit- I MUST have cheese with it at least. I can't even eat a piece of fruit alone in the morning, or it will make me feel sickly and tired. I do eat fruit, but again, always always with a protein source. At parties with hors dourves, I will eat say cocktail meatballs (carb and protein paired together), cheese and crackers, low carb veggies with dips (sour cream has protein, thank goodness, lol), etc. When I eat a salad, I try to add some cheese and maybe meat roll ups or cottage cheese with it. It's just something I've had to do since I learned why I would literally throw up after eating like other kids and have a piece of cake and ice cream together- makes me shudder, just thinking of having it now............

So funny how our bodies are all different. My sister, who's very small and always has been, has a terrible sweet tooth. She can eat donuts for breakfast, muffins for lunch, teeny tiny piece of meat with about 1 tablespoon of say three veggies, then have a huge bowl of ice cream or a huge piece of dessert, and then some candy later in the evening. I would be in a diabetic coma if I ate like that- ewwww!

My sugars last year were on the high side. The doctor thinks the sleep apnea contributed to it, so I have been very careful this past year, making sure I don't over do it. I will have them re-tested in April during my physical, hopefully, they will have come down to a normal level. I was told that those with hypoglycemia have to be very careful, because at any time, they can go over to hyperglycemia because of my age and weight. So, I am making a conscious effort to watch my sugars as much as possible and exercise more, which helps burn sugar off- especially after you consume it. If I have a big meal with carbs/and or lots of sugar, I try to either ride my recumbent bike, do some in home walking or dancing, or go for a walk or swim (easier to do in the summer months, we live on a lake). That helps me keep the sugar levels down as well.

So sorry you are having a hard time with this. I hope things get better for you! I really enjoy having you here, but if you decide this way of life isn't for you, I totally understand. What works for one person can be toxic for another- I hope things get better for you soon. :hug:

pattygirl63
03-10-2014, 12:21 PM
Steelslady - Thanks for the sharing and pep talk. It really helps. To top it off I got up and the weight was back down to 231.2 from yesterdays 235.5. And my fasting blood sugar was back down to 146 mg from 159 mg.

I have my plan for today and calories will be 1630 which is less than calories allowed on MFP and my fiber will be 40 grams.

Liliann
03-10-2014, 03:35 PM
Hiya Fiber Buddies....

Just checkin in and I weighed in this morning and lost 13 Lbs for this new week...Waiting week by week helps!! My total loss so far is 27 Lbs bye bye!! 2 Weeks down 27!! :scale Not bad,eh!

I am working on week 3 and I shall continue....

Eleka and SteelsLady....How are you doing??

Have a high fiber day!! :)

aleka
03-10-2014, 04:28 PM
Lilliann, Congratulations on your weight loss, 27 lbs. is fantastic! You should be proud of yourself. :carrot: Keep up the good work.

I haven't been posting because I'm not very good with counting or keeping track of my food. When I do, it just seems like I'm on a diet and think about food too much. I do read all of the posts and am getting a lot of good ideas. All of you are doing a great job.

The other day I had some plain Greek yogurt and put some apricot jam with fiber in it. It was sooooo gooooood.

Hope all of you are having a good day.

Liliann
03-10-2014, 05:41 PM
Eleka...Thanks for the kind words...and Good luck to you with your efforts,.

Trish....Glad that your scale and sugar level went down for you..You are doing wonderful and keep it going!!

I made and drinking a banana/green pepper smoothie that add into my fiber count ..Now that the weather is warming a tad bit..I will be making and having fruit/veggie smoothie on my Nutri-Bullet!!...Just one smoothie a day for my snack... :)

Have a nice evening and have a high fiber Tuesday!! WE CAN DO THIS!!! :)

Liliann
03-10-2014, 07:00 PM
Total Fiber....68

Steelslady
03-10-2014, 07:29 PM
My computer has been acting funky, didn't get to post my menus from Saturday and Sunday, though I tried. Here they are:

Saturday-

Breakfast/lunch-

Indian buffet- about 4 grams of fiber

Dinner-
high fiber bar- 10 grams
turkey wrap with spring mix, cucumber, mayo, and American cheese- 9 grams
popcorn- 6 grams
Kashi BBQ chips- 4 grams

total for dinner- 29 grams


total for the day- 33 grams




Sunday-

Breakfast/lunch-
roasted chicken with a little bit of gravy
stuffing- 2 grams
small sweet potato with skin- 4 grams
corn- 6 grams
cranberry sauce
baked apples with skin, raisins, cranberries and pecans- 3.2 grams

total for breakfast/lunch- 15.2 grams

Dinner-

chicken sandwich with mayo and mustard- 12 grams
Snyder's Eat Smart Whole grain tortilla chips with quinoa, sesame, and chia seeds- 6 grams
okra- 6 grams

total for dinner- 24 grams

total for the day- 39.2 grams

Liliann
03-10-2014, 08:52 PM
Lady...Great job!! Glad that you are still tracking!! Your weekend was awesome,,Keep it up and hoping your computer gets fix soon. Have a great week...

pattygirl63
03-11-2014, 12:22 AM
Lilliann You eat a lot of fiber. If you don't mind me asking, do you know how many calories that is? Congratulations on you weight loss. You are doing great.

I ended the day with around 1900 calories today and got 44 grams of fiber. I'm concerned with my calories being so high to get the fiber up sometime. Some of the days that I've pushed it, but today I was really hungry. I prefer eating more Intuitive Eating because you only eat when hungry and eat to satisfy the hunger.

Steelslady Do you have a fiber goal each day or do you eat more Intuitively? I thought I read that you said you eat when hungry. So I was just wondering if you count fiber when you eat and it just goes higher or do you plan it?

aleka Hi glad you checked in.

Headed to bed. Catch y'all tomorrow.

Liliann
03-11-2014, 08:05 AM
Trish...I am not worried about calories...I am assuming I am eating roughly about 3000 calories...I am just focusing on the fiber.and how active I am each day. You are doing wonderful,.great work!!

Have a great day all...

Liliann
03-11-2014, 08:34 PM
Total Fiber...64

pattygirl63
03-11-2014, 08:37 PM
Fiber count for today is 44 grams. Weight was down .2 lb and fast blood sugar was the same as yesterday which is a +.

Lilliann I've been nervous about going up on calories. I'm over 300 calories more today to get to the 44 grams. However, you are doing great with high calories. We'll see how things go with my higher calories. I had to do the extra calories today because we went out to eat so I had to make up my fiber when I got home.

Liliann
03-11-2014, 08:55 PM
Trish...Glad that your scale move alittle and also great on the sugar and fiber!! You holding up very well...Keep on,keeping on!! Have a great Wednesday!!

Steelslady
03-11-2014, 11:10 PM
So sorry I am behind these past couple of days- just been so busy, plus my computer is acting up. I will answer and reply to others after this post, which is my menu from yesterday and today. I still haven't eaten dinner yet- been so full from my breakfast/lunch, so I will edit it later to add it, if I have anything at all. I add these menus only to try and help others get some ideas on how to do this, especially if someone new to fiber counting comes along and joins us at a later time. Hopefully, it helps!

Yesterday's (Monday's) menu-

Breakfast/lunch-

1 cup of orange juice- .05 grams
2 high fiber English muffins- 16 grams
peanut butter- half regular, half no calorie Walden Farms- 4 grams
1 and 1/2 tablespoons Polaner High Fiber Grape- 4.5
scrambled eggs
5 turkey sausage links (20 calories each)

total for breakfast/lunch- 25 grams

Dinner-

salad- 2 grams
lightly salted peanuts/raisin mix- 3 grams
pot roast sandwich on Arnold's Double Fiber bread with light mayo- 12 grams
Snyder's Eat Smart tortillas made with chia, flax, quinoa, and sesame seeds- 6 grams

total for dinner- 23 grams

snack-

okra chips- half a serving- 3 grams

total for the day- 51 grams



Today's menu-

Breakfast/Lunch

1 small can LeSeur baby peas- 6 grams
1/2 large can of Garbanzo (chick peas)- 8.7 grams
spaghetti pie with high fiber spaghetti- 12.25
high fiber chewy chocolate granola bar- 10 grams

total for breakfast/lunch- 36.95 grams

Dinner-

half of a pot roast sandwich with mayo and mustard-
6 grams
half of a chicken sandwich with mayo- 6 grams
Snyder's healthy tortilla chips- 6
okra- 6

total for dinner- 24 grams

total for the day- 60.95 grams

Steelslady
03-11-2014, 11:41 PM
I just wanted to take the time to explain something, why I may or may not be on some days as much in the future.

My youngest daughter has cancer. We were misled into thinking she was cancer free last year after she had surgery to remove several tumors that were malignant. Thank God I insisted on this surgery, and thank God for my diligent Nurse Practitioner who found us a great doctor in Boston for a second opinion, as I had concerns about what her first doctor did and how he treated it. Turns out, he handled her cancer wrong right from the start. Things he should have done- things I questioned him on because I did research on my own and knew of things that were supposed to be followed up two months later, he shrugged off, basically wanting us to be happy she was "cancer free" and to let her get on with her life.

Thank God I was persistent, for her sake. Now, she has to have radiation therapy, but the doctor said we can wait until after she graduates and is letting her enjoy the rest of her senior year, however, there may be another malignant tumor growing and one of her lymph nodes is causing her some alarm. Her blood tests came back "very good"- with this doctor, that means, we have some time, but..........need to get things taken care of.

It's a long process for her to have this radiation treatment. She has to go off her meds for three weeks, ten days before her radiation therapy, she has to go on a low iodine diet and stay on it until after the second scan is done, which is a total of two weeks. The week of the scan, we have to go to Boston four times in five days- if her blood test comes out good on than Monday, then we proceed with the other three days treatment, the last to which she will have the radioactive iodine radiation as well as a "pre-scan". She will have to go home for four days and stay away from kids, elderly, pregnant women, all of our pets (we have nine of them.......oy!), then go back the following Wednesday for a post scan. If anything lights up during that scan- if the cancer traveled anywhere, it will light up on the scan. She's hoping that it will clean up any cancer cells in her body. Praying nothing lights up that day. :(

She also has to have another scan nine months after that- to see if it got rid of all the cancer cells and to make sure it's out of her system. She was told at this time she can not get pregnant- it would harm the baby. She even has to have a pregnancy test the morning of radiation treatment- this doctor is just wonderful and on the ball- we love her. We know our daughter is in great hands. Hopefully, the radiation will clean out that lymph node and get rid of that piece of whatever it is that is growing- she's not sure if it is a tiny piece of thyroid left over from her surgery, or if it is another malignant tumor growing, but it is small enough and her blood tests were good enough that we can wait until summer to do this.

Just keeping fingers crossed that it isn't too late. We are remaining positive and keeping her in a positive mood- we don't want the poor kid to keep worrying again like she has been since this all start three years ago. She's such a sweetheart, so lovable and full of love, laughter, and life. My husband as well as my oldest daughter and son just love her so much, it's breaking us all up inside to see her go through this. She's my warrior, my hero.

Oh, and the reason why I will be not posting some days- I have to make some gluten free recipes that are low in iodine to have her test them out before she has to do this diet. She has a gluten allergy, so it is a bit more challenging dietary wise, but I will find a way. :) She's on a high protein diet now for Track and Field. She throws discus and shot put, and may dabble in javelin this year (she was afraid to throw it before, thinking she would injure herself, lol!). May she have a great last year in Fielding. If you can't tell already, I am a proud Momma of three kids- my world, my life. They are all very special to hubby and I. ;)

Steelslady
03-12-2014, 01:18 AM
Now, to finally say a howdy do to you all and reply to your awesome comments-

Liliann- great job, girl friend! You are doing fantastic- keep up the great work! You are making such great progress, and you must be feeling wonderful. think of it this way, you've lost two and half bags of potatoes, or the equivalent of a toddler- way to go! :carrot:

aleka- just post! We love to hear from you! You don't need to post any menus or food choices, just let us know how you're doing, ask any questions, share some fun stuff like you and hubby walked the mall or went hiking or something, etc- posting daily will help keep us all accountable, even if it's just checking in to say hello and encouraging one another. Glad you are doing well and I wish you continued success!

Trish- So glad your weight is coming down again- it could have been fluid retention, which happens alot on most diets. With high fiber, we do have to make sure we're getting plenty of water to keep the fiber flowing through our system. Also, a high sodium day can cause a weight gain and stay on for a few days- just went through this this week myself with the Indian food- so good, but you know how those buffets are- loaded with sodium. I am sodium sensitive and can put on up to five pounds of water weight over night, to which in two to three days time, it does come back off. I can even feel it in my extremities when I have had too much sodium that day- my feet, calves, and hands swell and sometimes, my skin gets red.

Now, as far as my calorie consumption goes- while I am not counting calories, I am diligent in keeping them from not going too high. I probably average around 1600-1800 per day most days. I eat light mayonaise, light margarine with low or no sodium versions, rinse off sodium from vegetables that I can't buy the low sodium/no sodium added versions because they don't either sell them or the company doesn't make them that way. I try to eat fresh or frozen veggies, but most of the high fiber foods are fresh or canned for me.

As far as do I plan my menus- well, yes and no. The night before, I do have a plan as to my protein for the next day. From there, I add my high fiber choices to accompany my meals, from bread to pasta, or veggies/fruits and snacks. I try to stay around 20 grams per meal, sometimes I am over, sometimes, under. No pressure, but I do aim to have at least 35 grams a day, the lowest.

For instance, yesterday, we had pot roast- my family got a bit of a different dinner than myself- I made it with oven roasted potatoes/sweet potatoes/green beans in olive oil and Lipton Onion Soup mix for them with gravy- I can't have that too much anymore, it's too high in sodium for me, all soups/mixes are unfortunately.

However, I had the pot roast along with them, but I had mine in a sandwich with high fiber bread, high fiber tortilla chips, some salad, and peanuts and raisins. I was low on potassium yesterday- I can always tell when I am, because I crave either oranges or orange juice when I am low, so I had some orange juice with my high protein/high fiber breakfast and the peanut/raisin combination (think protein/sugar combo). I wish I had had some oranges in the house, as those are higher in fiber (2 grams) compared to the juice itself, but it was the potassium I needed, not the fiber at that point. Whenever I do an intense work out, I have to watch my potassium levels- I know the signs and symptoms by now, craving oranges is my cue- raisins are a good source of potassium, too, but I have to pair them up with peanuts to balance out the sugars. Again, I always pair my sugars/carbs with a good amount of protein, to stay on the safe side.

Some staples in my pantry that I keep that is a must on my high protein/high fiber diet:

LeSeur's very young small sweet peas- 1 cup serving has 6 grams of fiber, 8 grams of protein, 8 grams of sugars- the protein knocks out the sugar, especially if you have a meat source with these peas.

Nature's Harvest Okra Chips=- 6 pods (30 grams total), has 6 grams of dietary fiber, 2 grams of protein, no sugars. This is a newer staple to my diet, I love them. Other grocery stores may have them- I have seen them before under different brand names, so check them out, if you like okra. You can also make them, found a recipe online for them, but it takes too long, just easier for me to buy them.

Butter beans- 1/2 cup serving has 5 grams of fiber, 6 grams of protein, and 1 gram of sugar, knocked out by the protein in these delicious gems

Lima beans- 1/2 cup serving has 8 grams of fiber, 6 grams of protein, 1 gram of sugar, knocked out by the protein

Garbanzo (chick peas) beans- 1/2 cup serving has 5 grams of fiber, 6 grams of protein, no sugars


Vegetarian beans in tomato sauce- 1/2 cup has 6 grams of fiber, 7 grams of protein, and 6 grams of sugar, knocked out by the protein if you pair it with a meat source as well, like hot dogs.

I play around with recipes. For instance, some nights the peas go in a Shrimp with Lobster sauce (high in protein) with some bean sprouts and some rice. Or a chicken pot pie, beef stew, etc.

I take a jar of any alfredo sauce, put in a large can of lima beans, add some cooked chicken or shrimp, and serve it over high fiber pasta. My hubby's, my son's, and my favorite is the Sun Dried tomato alfredo sauce with lima beans and shrimp. So yummy!

Spaghetti pie is a fun recipe that balances out tomato sauce, which has some sugar in it, with lots of protein from the eggs/egg whites (I use half eggs, half egg whites to watch the cholesterol), turkey sausage, hamburger or chicken burger, and parmesan and mozzarella cheeses, to which I use high fiber spaghetti with my recipe, gluten free for my daughter, and regular spaghetti for the rest of the family.

Cooking is a challenge in my house, but one good thing- my youngest daughter, though gluten free, is on a high protein diet- so we both eat a lot of legumes and peas for veggies, and I just substitute the gluten free pasta in recipes when needed. My oldest daughter is calorie counting, so I have to help her with portion control and calorie counting when I can. Seeing that I am on a high fiber diet, I eat high fiber pasta- so today, I cooked three different pastas and made three different versions of spaghetti pie for six people. My sister lives with us, so there is six of us in all I try to keep healthy and full. Son, hubby, and youngest daughter are easy to please and cook for, while my oldest daughter and sister are a challenge- oldest daughter has a very acidic and sensitive stomach, so her food has to be for the most part very plain, not high in spice or acid. My sister has dementia and one day she loves a food, while the next day she'll tell everyone she hates it and/or never ate it before. Good times at my house, let me tell you!

I hope this helps, Trish, and anyone else that might need or want this information.

I am on a high fiber/high protein diet, watching my sugars as well, always always pairing protein with any carbs/sugars. I also love to eat asparagus and green beans, and lots of other fresh veggies roasted like eggplant, asparagus, summer squash, red peppers, and zucchini. So good! Can't wait til hubby gets paid Friday so I can get some of those veggies and roast them- been craving them the last couple of days, but got to wait until Friday to buy them. I hope I can wait that long, lol!

Have a great day, all! I hope you all wake up with nice losses and Trish, I hope that your sugar keeps improving. Hang in there, my friend- we'll get this worked out for you one way or the other, in a healthy manner, of course. ;)

Pattience
03-12-2014, 02:04 AM
Hello Ladies, i have just quickly read through the whole thread. I am not counting fibre but i do tend to eat a high fibre way anyway.

Sorry to hear about your daughter's troubles Steelslady.

I wanted to share my lunch recipe with you because its very high in fibre, high in protein, vegetarian and pretty damn tasty and nutritious. I turned it into a formula so that it can be adapted with all different sorts of ingredients. I'll give you the formula first then tell you how i made it today.

Because i do need to watch my calorie intake, i keep some ingredients in check and don't just chuck in more and more of the yummier parts (cheese and nuts). But i have found these yummier bits are not required in high doses anyway. I try to put just enough in to give me enough flavour.

so this is a bean and vegetable salad with cheese and nuts and dressing. I try to use quality ingredients. Although i am using canned beans, i know it would be better and a lot cheaper using dried beans, soaking overnight then cooking, but at the moment i need things to be as easy as possible.

The formula - it makes 2-3 cups of filling salad

1 cup of canned or soaked and cooked beans/lentils/chickpeas or any combination of same.
2 or 3 vegetables, usually salad types, but cooked ones are also fine.
up to about 70grams strong flavoured crumbly cheese
5 walnut halves, broken
just enough salad dressing to coat everything. I usually use 1-2 tsp of extra virgin olive oil and 1-2 tsp of balsamic vinegar.
pinch salt if desired
fresh ground black pepper if desired

Today i had
cannelini beans, 1 stick of celery sliced, 1 corn cob with corns sliced off, 1 3 inch chunk of cucumber, diced
5 walnuts halves
30g of crumbled goats fetta cheese
2tsp each of balsamic vinegar and olive oil. I use less if using less vegies.

You could do
brown lentils + diced tomato + finely grated carrot + 1 finely grated beetroot
walnuts - you could use 5 almonds, or 1level tbsp of sesame seeds, sunflower seeds or other seeds or nuts. I like the walnuts a lot though.
fetta - i nearly always use the goats fetta and it should be a good quality product. As far as i'm concerned the best ones i know of are greek or bulgarian. The worst ones here are Australian and dutch. But you could also use hard parmesan or romano cheese also finely grated.

There are a few little extras i sometimes add such as:
1 tbsp finely chopped onion
1 clove of garlic in the dressing
fresh herbs finely chopped

instead of balsamic you could use red wine vinegar but never use just brown vinegar or white vinegar. Those are not really very yummy vinegars. You could also try lemon juice. Balsamic is nice because its a little bit sweet.

Sometimes i use 1/2 cup salad greens. In my supermarket there is also packet coleslaw vegetables which if i use i just put in 1 whole cup. It makes it very quick to prepare.

You can swap a vegetable for a piece of fruit sometimes. Apple and pear go well.

I hope you'll give it a go. Its my main salad and eat at least about four times a week.

Liliann
03-12-2014, 11:30 AM
Lady....Awww.sorry to hear about your daughter ordeal...Wishing you and her the best healing process. Stay strong and you holding up very well.:hug:

I don't cook and that is why I choose fiber counting, its helping and am basically eating the same foods every single day...I live with my mom and 2 sisters, so they eat thier own meals and I make my simple,high fiber meal and snacks. I do not mind eating the same foods everyday, as long my weight goes down, I am one happy Fiber chick a dee!! :)

My morning fiber...30

Have a great day all..

aleka
03-12-2014, 12:13 PM
Steelslady, I am so sorry about your daughter. Glad you were persistent and got a 2nd opinion. Your NP sounds great. I wish your daughter the best and hope she's well soon. Thank you for your kind words.

Trish, glad that your weight was down and your bs stayed the same.

Lilliann, you're doing great with the fiber. Keep it up.

Pattience, Welcome! Your menus sound good and have given me some good ideas.

I had a slice of high fiber bread for breakfast this morning, it had 4g. of fiber, peanut butter, & a banana. I'm having lentil soup w/Andouille sausage for lunch and high fiber pasta for supper.

I also have to watch my calories because of years of yo-yo dieting and being menopausal, I can't eat that many calories.

Hope everyone is having a great day!

Liliann
03-12-2014, 04:27 PM
Pattience....Welcome....You are doing great and good job with your 21 Lbs loss so far!! Keep it up!!

Eleka...Good on hearing and posting...You are doing good with your fiberous foods..Keep it going!!

Today is a calm day for me...which my fiber is high...Will post my overall total tonight.

Have a great one!! :)

pattygirl63
03-12-2014, 05:01 PM
Steelslady I am so sorry to hear about your precious daughter. She sounds like such a wonderful special young lady. Please know that she, you and your family will be in my prayers as you walk through this ordeal. I pray things will be corrected quickly and this will be just a memory so that she will live a long, happy and wonderful life.

Thank you so very much for your help. I printed the post you wrote me for reference. I haven't seen the okra chips, but I will keep looking and if I can't find them, I just might learn how to make them.

I actually took what you shared and I think that things finally came together for me today. I realized that all I have to do is take the low carb diet that I like to do and just add the fiber to it. I did that this morning and at lunch. Then when talking about this to my best cheerleader, my oldest son, he suggested that I eat a veggie burger made on my double fiber bread. That's what I'm doing for dinner to night. I've got my plan made for today and without a snack I've got 1,381 calories and 45 grams of fiber. A little over on the sodium, but my mild fluid pill will take care of that. I'll start watching the sodium more in the product I purchase from now on. I can add a snack if I need it that will bring the calories to 1,421 and fiber to 52. But I don't think I will.

My weight was up 1.6 lbs and fasting blood sugar was up 12 pts, but none of that bothers me because I'm sure it is because we ate out at Popeye's yesterday. First and last time we will eat there. Strange that DH can eat hot wings, but he couldn't eat all of his food because it was too spicy hot.

I have heard that although the claim the don't that restaurants do us MSG. I actually think that they do or they use something that gets to me. The last 3 or 4 times that we ate out, I came home and just feel wiped out. Of course, it could be just the fact that we don't eat out as much as we used too.

Pattience Hello and thanks so much for sharing the recipe/formula. I copied it as I think I could do that one. I love salads and this will give me a change so they don't get boring.

Aleka I am post-menopausal and I think that is why I have to work harder to lose weight. I can't do high calorie and lose weight either. You are doing great.

Lilliann I used to love to cook when my second hubby was living because he would eat almost anything. Present DH is difficult to please as he is a picky eater. His Mother used to tell me that when he was little that she would cry because he would not eat what she fixed. Now, I'm one of those people that if it takes more than 30 minutes to prepare and cook, I don't usually want to make it. It has to be really special or a holiday with company before I spend hours in the kitchen these days. DH and I only eat one meal together so once a day I try to cook what we both like and then I make the side dishes the way he likes them and my sides like I like. It isn't too bad cooking for just the two of us. Next week will tricky as DGS will be here for a week during spring break from college.

pattygirl63
03-12-2014, 05:22 PM
Today's foodplan

Breakfast

3 strawberries 0
1 turkey pattie 0
whipped butter 2 T0
2 slices double fiber bread toasted 10 g
Polaner SF Apricot preserves 1 T 3 g
2 eggs

Lunch

gumbo veggies 2/3 c 2 g
2 slices double fiber bread 10 g
extra lean boneless pork CS ribs 0
1 c broccoli 2 g
onion 1 g

Dinner

1 Boca burger patty 4 g
lettuce 1 g
onion 1 g
2 slices double fiber bread 10 g
tomato, light mayo, mustard, kosher dill sandwich stuffers 0
1 small bag Lay's classic potato chips 1

Snack (if needed)

1/2 Thomas high fiber English muffin toasted 3 g
1 T Polaner SF Apricot Preserves 3 g

Total fiber 51 g Calories 1,441

I reach the 50 grams fiber recommended by diabetic diet and stay within the 1400 to 1500 calories they recommend. On MFP recommends 1670 and I'm way below that. :)

Hope everyone is having a great fiber day.

Liliann
03-12-2014, 06:23 PM
Trish....Great work!! Doing awesome!!

Total Fiber...69

Pattience
03-12-2014, 06:29 PM
Pattience, Welcome! Your menus sound good and have given me some good ideas.

Thanks Aleka and the others who responded. I think i achieved what i wanted to by posting here. I have just found this recipe to be so good, so easy and so filling, that i can't be the only one who eats it. The fibre is through the roof. Because of my antidepressant medication i take i get a slow bowel and beans etc are one of the best things i've found to keep everything working optimally :-)

I wish you all continued success. Me too of course.

Liliann
03-13-2014, 10:01 AM
Hiya all... I weighed in this morning and down 4 Lbs!!! :dance: Yahooo!! My total loss so far is 31!! :dance: Thank you all for your support!! I am so very much grateful!! I am now under 400....and I know I will make it this time!! :hug: :)

Have a high fiber day all!!

Steelslady
03-13-2014, 10:16 AM
Wednesday's menu-

Breakfast/Lunch-

leftover spaghetti pie- 12.2
Greek yogurt/Polaner HF Strawberry, half a packet of HF Instant Oatmeal Maple Flavored- 17
Snyder's healthy tortilla chips- 3

total for breakfast/lunch- 32.2

Dinner-

One HF English muffin with 1 slice bacon, 1 slice cheese, 1/2 of a roma tomato, lettuce, light mayo- 6 grams
One HF English muffin with light peanut butter and Polaner HF Strawberry- 16 grams
2 servings Kashi SW BBQ Crisps- 6

total for dinner- 28 grams

total for the day- 60.2 grams

Liliann
03-13-2014, 11:21 AM
SteelsLady...Totally awesome!! Great job!! Keep on,keeping on!!

Steelslady
03-13-2014, 11:52 AM
aleka- great to see you posting! You are doing wonderful, keep up the good work. Sounds like you have a nice menu there. :)

Pattience- thanks for the idea- I will try and make it sometime soon with carrots, beans, broccoli, and olives- these are my youngest daughter's favorite veggies, and she'll use Ranch dressing while I'll use the Fat Free Catalina- sounds delish! I change our salads around often, some days adding dried fruits or fresh fruits, others different cheeses and proteins- gives it a different taste so you don't get bored with it. Your version sounds delish! Keep up the great work, and don't forget to stop in and tell us how you're doing. ;)

Liliann- WOOHOO, girlfriend!!!!! Congratulations on you getting below 400 pounds- when I recently got under 300, I felt on top of the world for days afterwards. You have to be so proud of yourself- you are doing fantastic! Just remember, some weeks will be slower than others, and as you know, sometimes we'll have a few nasty gain days, too. Just don't ever get discouraged- you are on your way to going down, down, down in the 300's- I am so happy for you, sending you a :hug: and doing a happy :carrot: dance with you, my friend. I can't wait to watch your progress in the future. I wonder where we'll be six months from now? :D I'm looking forward to seeing our progress!

Trish- you are doing awesome, too! All of us are, so proud of everyone! You inspired me today to make some veggie burgers. I got some black beans cooking in the crock pot, going to have one tonight. I can't wait, I am craving one now. thanks a lot, Trish! :rofl:

That's awesome that you have figured out a way to combine low carb with fiber- that's probably what I do in a nut shell, only I do eat more carbs than you perhaps. Still, if it is working and helping your sugars come down eventually, it will be so worth it. I know the scale can jump up and down on this plan, but honestly, it does on all diets. As I mentioned in another post, there are several reasons why, and it could be a combination of two or three things at once, so don't get discouraged.

This past week, I lost only one pound, BUT........my clothes are getting loser. At first, I thought I just stretched out my pants from exercising in them. My tops, which were very snug, are all not only loosening up, some are actually starting to hang on me- wow!

However, my biggest non- scale victory came a couple of nights ago- I was preparing dinner for the rest of my family (the pot roast dinner), and of course, my youngest daughter came home early from her heavy duty work out with her coach, starving and just couldn't wait for dinner to be ready, so I was preparing her a salad, irritated that I kept having to pull my pants up. :lol: All of the sudden, she comes in the kitchen and says loudly "WOAH, MOM!!!!" I turned around, thinking something was wrong and asked her "what's wrong?" She had this shocked look on her face, and she says "Mom, whatever you are doing, keep it up! You have lost a ton of weight!" with such enthusiasm, I ran over to her and hugged and thanked her. It made my day, my week, my MONTH!!!!! She was so happy for me, telling me how proud she was of me, when I told her how much I had lost since October. She would love to do what I am doing, but unfortunately, she has a gluten allergy, so I help her with her high protein/gluten free diet. Seeing that I am eating high protein, too, her and I eat the same proteins together- meat and peas/beans/legumes.

I really haven't discussed my diet with my family, and because they all have different eating times (they all work and go to school- they don't see me eat my breakfast/lunch meal, and they all come in different times to eat the dinner I prepared them, so they can heat and eat when they get home), none of them really knew about my high fiber diet. I've always exercised, so they didn't think nothing of it, seeing me going to the pool and riding my recumbent bike. I do my other exercises when they aren't home, the toning/stretching/ some yoga poses that don't land me in the hospital in traction.

Usually no one notices me lose weight for a long time, because I have so much to lose. I had a couple of other people say they noticed my face looked thinner- that was last week. That was nice to hear, too, but again, I didn't tell anyone what I've been doing. Not for privacy reasons or anything, but I just want to do it without any fuss right now.

So, hang in there, all- your body is changing and improving every day you follow this way of eating (or any diet suitable for you that you enjoy)- remember those non-scale victories can be even better than the numbers on the scale. Have a great day, all, and keep going- we are ALL doing fantabulous!!!!!! :D

Liliann
03-13-2014, 03:55 PM
SteelsLady....Great NSV of your clothes is loosen for ya...That can be amazing feeling as well of your daughter notice of your efforts!! You doing such remarkable progress and glad you are seeing a true success away from the scale..:bravo: Keep it up!!

aleka
03-13-2014, 04:14 PM
Lilliann, Congratulations on your 31 lb. weight loss and getting below 400.:woohoo: That is really fantastic. Keep it up!

Pattience, I've never thought of putting beans on a salad. It sounds good and I definitely will try them. I add about 1/2 cup of blueberries to a salad when they're in season and sometimes I'll add strawberries.

Steelslady, thank you for posting what you do it really helped me out seeing how you eat. That was a cute story about how your daughter noticed your weight loss. What a great NSV for you! Congratulations. Your family members see you every day so they really don't notice your weight loss. I think that has more to do with it than the amount you have to lose.

Trish, yes, it is harder to lose weight after you reach menopause. Your menu sounds great....I love the SF/HF apricot jam. I love it on Triscuits.

I see you eat high fiber bread. Which brand do you buy?
Hope all of you have a great evening.

Liliann
03-13-2014, 06:50 PM
Total Fiber....66

Pattience
03-13-2014, 07:16 PM
Well done Lilian. Well done all of you and steels lady that is a lovely story about your daughter. And i must say i'm really impressed with your exercise and your doing this without making a big fuss. Of course i have to make a big fuss myself. Stupidly i need to tell everyone i'm on a diet. I'm not much good about going about anything quietly so i often end up on my face. however diet wise this time, i'm not giving up.

Just lately i'm stressing a bit but just as when i gave up smoking many years ago now, I'm determined not to let get stress and upsets get in the way of my diet. I might take the foot off the pedal a bit but i'm not going to indulge myself in my usual downfall foods.

LOL, i'm not sure i like the sound of broccoli carrot and olives in my bean salad myself but I'm keeping my fingers crossed for your daughter.

I would tell you once I made a awful version of this salad. I didn't use beans, i used rice because it was already cooked and sitting there waiting to be consumed. I was having an off day and thought to nurture myself i would put in my salad all these fancy things i had bought recently like artichokes in a jar, aubergine in a jar and stuffed olives along with a chopped tomato. Normally i really like these things but i discovered they don't go in the salad well. And of course neither did the rice, especially the rice. So, speaking for myself at least, i discovered that the vegies should be fresh, not pickled or jarred or canned.

I always chop the vegies quite small too.

If anyone tries this salad using your usual things and you find you are not really keen, i recommend trying it using the ingredients i mention to see the difference - Just saying…

Have a good day all.

ps. I just put my salad into fitness pal to see what it added up to. I put in beans, tomato, carrot, and 1 stick of celery and the walnuts. It came to 14 grams of fibre. I see Carrots have a lot of fibre. Celery not so much.

pattygirl63
03-13-2014, 07:17 PM
Lilliann :cheer:Yey 31 lbs gone. Congratulations. You are really doing great.

Steelslady How wonderful it is when someone close to you notices the weight you've lost. Good for daughter noticing and cheering you on. That feels so good. I love the veggie burgers. I went to the store today and got Morningstar's Spicy Black bean burgers and had it for dinner. Since DH and I have our main meal at lunch time, this has become my new favorite everyday dinner. One burger with my double fiber bread is 14 g fiber.

aleka I use Natuer's Own double fiber bread.

Pattience :wave:

Well calories are high today over 1700 so adjusting things with 1 sl double fiber bread and a tbls of Polaner SF/HF preserves. So the fuel is 41.

I'll post menu in another post.

pattygirl63
03-13-2014, 07:49 PM
Breakfast

3 large strawberries & 1/2 banana 2
1T whipped butter 0
1 slice 2% reduced fat Am. cheese 0
1 Jimmy Dean turkey sausage patty 0
1 T Polaner SF/HF Apricot preserves 3
1 HF low sodium English muffin 6

Lunch

@ Steak'n Shake

1 double cheese burger 1
1 order French fries 0

Dinner

1 Spicy black bean veggie burger 4
mustard, onion, lettuce and tomato 0
2 slices double fiber bread 10
1 serving bag Lays potato chips 1

Snack

1 double fiber bread 5
Polaner SF/HF Apricot preserves 3

I didn't have enough calorie room to add the whipped PB to the snack, but realized that I could mix 1 T of Polaner and the whipped pb together and put it on the bread from now on. The double fiber bread makes it so easy to get the fiber I need into my day.

Total calories 1759 and fiber 41 g

Liliann
03-13-2014, 08:26 PM
Everyone is doing such remarkable on the fiber count!! Great job and I am so proud of you all... :dancer: :thanks: for sharing your daily fiber!!!

:cb: Have a great high fiber Friday ladies!!! WE ARE MELTING AWEIGH!!!:hug:

Coachadaml
03-14-2014, 11:33 AM
2 fruits that are high in fiber are raspberries and Asian pears.

Steelslady
03-14-2014, 02:42 PM
Yesterday's menu-

Breakfast/lunch-

1 high fiber honey wheat wrap with 2 cups of lettuce, chipotle mayo, and tuna- 9 grams
2 servings Snyder's Eat Smart Tortilla chips- 6 grams
lotsa water

total for b/l- 15 grams

Dinner/snacks-

2 black bean veggie patties on hamburger buns with chipotle mayo, lettuce, and tomato- 17.8
popcorn- 6
slice of Texas sheet cake
1/2 serving of Good and Plenty licorice candy

total for dinner/snacks- 23.8

total fiber for the day- 38.8 on the low side for me fiber wise, but calorie wise, a bit higher than I usually eat. Just one of those days when I needed something sweet I guess. :lol:

Steelslady
03-14-2014, 03:30 PM
Lilliann, Congratulations on your 31 lb. weight loss and getting below 400.:woohoo: That is really fantastic. Keep it up!

Pattience, I've never thought of putting beans on a salad. It sounds good and I definitely will try them. I add about 1/2 cup of blueberries to a salad when they're in season and sometimes I'll add strawberries.

Steelslady, thank you for posting what you do it really helped me out seeing how you eat. That was a cute story about how your daughter noticed your weight loss. What a great NSV for you! Congratulations. Your family members see you every day so they really don't notice your weight loss. I think that has more to do with it than the amount you have to lose.

Trish, yes, it is harder to lose weight after you reach menopause. Your menu sounds great....I love the SF/HF apricot jam. I love it on Triscuits.

I see you eat high fiber bread. Which brand do you buy?
Hope all of you have a great evening.

Glad to help, and it sounds like you are doing wonderful yourself! thank you for the kind comment about my daughter noticing my weight going down. I think the intense workouts I've been doing at the pool twice a week has really helped tone me up a bit faster this time around then doing just walking/jogging/dancing and the recumbent bike. When I lived closer to a pool years ago, I went four to five nights a week and was in great shape, especially my arms and legs. It really does make a difference for me. I just ordered some water weights and ankle weights for the water, to bump up my strength training while I jog in the pool and do exercises. I just love the water! I only wish I didn't have to go to Concord to get to the pool, but I love it there, and the price is right. ;)

I found another Apricot Chicken recipe that I'm going to try, it's different than my usual Apricot Chicken recipe which has onion soup mix in it- everyone loves that version at my house, but I am itching to try this new recipe- I thought of you and how you love apricot preserves- if it tastes good, I'll pass on the recipe. I plan on using the Polaner apricot preserves in it, why not? My family's been eating high fiber lately without realizing it, because of some of the foods I am eating, they want to eat, too. :rofl: I'm going to serve it with Quinoa- has more fiber than white or brown rice per serving, plus it's a nice change from rice anyway. My youngest daughter can have this as well, where she is gluten free.

Arnold's makes a Double Fiber bread- 90 calories and 6 grams of fiber per slice. I get mine at Hannaford or Market Basket. I actually love it because it is moist and tastes good. Some of the so called high fiber breads taste very dry, plus their not as high in fiber as Arnold's. I love their breads anyway.

I love blueberries and strawberries. We live across the street from a blueberry orchard- we pick them and eat them whole- so good! I will have to try and add them to some salads- I have added apples, pears, and dried craberries to my salads with pecans or walnuts. My kids hate fruit added to their salads, so I only put it in mine and my husbands. Kids! :D I am so ready for summer fruits and foods- this winter has been too long up here, as I am sure you agree!

Have a great day!

aleka
03-14-2014, 04:53 PM
Steelslady, Thank you for letting me know which bread you buy. I bought a loaf of When Pigs Fly high fiber bread and it tasted like cardboard.

I found Beanitos at the Hannaford's on Ft Eddy Rd. I bought the plain ones and DH & I had some with our lunch. We thought they were pretty good.

Is the pool you go to in Concord at the "Y"? Keep up the exercising, you're doing great.

Please post your recipe for the apricot chicken, it sounds really good.

I totally agree about this winter! I've had enough of it.

Lilliann, you're doing great. Keep it up!

Trish, thank you for letting me know which high fiber bread you buy. Your menu sounds good.

Pattience, I'm sorry the experiment with your salad didn't turn out well. Everything sounded good to me except for the rice. I'm not a fan of rice in a salad.

Hope everyone has a great evening.

pattygirl63
03-14-2014, 08:42 PM
Today's Menu

Breakfast

1/2 Banana & .5 c strawberries 3
1 T Whipped butter 0
2 slices bacon 0
1 egg 0
2 slices Double fiber bread 100

Lunch

1 Cod fish fillet 0
1 c tossed salad with light mayo 2
1/3 c steamed corn 2
1 c broccoli florets 2
1 serving (16) Wheat thins, Fiber Selects Garden Vegetable crackers 5

Dinner

2 oz (dry) 100% Whole Grain Thin Spaghetti 5
1 T whipped butter 0
1/2 c chopped collard greens 1
1/2 c chopped turnips & turnip greens

Snacks

1 T JIF Whips - Peanut butter 1
1 T Polaner SF/HF Apricot preserves 3
1 sl Double fiber bread 5
1/4 c Shelled Edamame 2
1 Gala apple 4

Total 1223 calories & 46 g fiber

Finally had a day with my salt under the 2300 g just haven't drank enough water although I have drank lots of liquids. I always try to drink at least 8 glasses of water besides the other liquids that I drink.

Liliann
03-14-2014, 08:52 PM
Total Fiber 60.
Keep it up folks!! You all doing fantastic!! Keep on,keeping on!! :cheer:

Also add to my food staples... 25 Almonds = 4 fiber

Enjoy your weekend all. :)

pattygirl63
03-14-2014, 10:13 PM
I probably won't post anything this weekend as I have a busy one with DGS is home for spring break and running him around getting him to and from work and church activities besides my own weekend activities.

I agree with Lilliann, we are all doing great. In fact, I'm getting this down to such an easy way of doing that I may be able to do Intuitive Eating better and may not have to even count the calories or the fiber. Will continue counting until I'm sure. But eating Intuitively is my goal because I don't like thinking about food and eating all the time.

Everybody have a great weekend.

pattygirl63
03-15-2014, 08:11 PM
Today's counts are Calories 1654 Fiber 43

Pattience
03-15-2014, 08:55 PM
Ladies can i ask, how do you know how much fibre you should aim for? Are you doing it as a proportion of calories? Or is there are right amount for your current weight and height?

or are you just eating as much as you can so that you can feel fuller? Any explanation of what your understanding around fibre and how much to eat would interest me.

Thanks and keep going.

Steelslady
03-15-2014, 09:37 PM
I probably won't post anything this weekend as I have a busy one with DGS is home for spring break and running him around getting him to and from work and church activities besides my own weekend activities.

I agree with Lilliann, we are all doing great. In fact, I'm getting this down to such an easy way of doing that I may be able to do Intuitive Eating better and may not have to even count the calories or the fiber. Will continue counting until I'm sure. But eating Intuitively is my goal because I don't like thinking about food and eating all the time.

Everybody have a great weekend.

Trish- enjoy your weekend with your grandson!

Today's counts are Calories 1654 Fiber 43
Thatta girl! I hope your sugars are doing good, too! Enjoy the rest of your weekend, look forward to chatting with you soon.

Ladies can i ask, how do you know how much fibre you should aim for? Are you doing it as a proportion of calories? Or is there are right amount for your current weight and height?

or are you just eating as much as you can so that you can feel fuller? Any explanation of what your understanding around fibre and how much to eat would interest me.

Thanks and keep going.

I don't count calories- no need to, on this plan. I do a combination of high fiber/high protein, which keeps me full for most of the day. As a matter of fact, I only eat two meals a day- I seriously can't eat anymore. I might at night, once in awhile, have a small snack, but that's very rare now.

Just for the fun of it, I decided to track my calories for a few days, just to see where they are at. I average around 1650-1900, depending on the day. I went shopping today and stocked up on lots of fresh veggies, frozen veggies, and fruit. I keep high fiber bars, high fiber breads, wraps, tortillas, and English muffins in my house for some quick meals. I eat fresh eggs from a farm that are from chickens that are grass fed. I have low sodium bacon and watch my salt intake, eating no salt butter, etc. I also eat light mayonaise instead of full fat. I do not eat any sugar free products unless they are made with Stevia.

Depending upon the day, I average anywhere between 32-70 grams of fiber per day. It all depends on what I have in the house and time- some days, I have to grab quick stuff to eat, but when I have a chance at home to stay and cook, it's much higher.

I hope this helps! Others may be doing this differently, so they would have to chime in. ;)

Steelslady
03-15-2014, 10:42 PM
Friday's menu-

Breakfast/lunch-

1 HF Fiber English muffin with no salt butter and cream cheese- 8 grams
1 HF Fiber English muffin with peanut butter and Polaner strawberry- 18
1 serving Kashi Southwest BBQ Black Bean Crisps- 4 grams
lotsa water!
1 100 calorie pack of smoked almonds- 2 grams

total for B/L- 32 grams

Dinner-

3 pieces veggie pizza
strawberry milk
1/2 serving Good and Plenty licorice candies

total for dinner- about 5-6 grams

total for the day- 37-38 grams

Was very busy yesterday. Between a plumbing problem as well as having to go to one of my daughter's best friends's play last night, I didn't have time to cook anything. Her friend played the role of Audrey, which is my name, and she threatened to come and get me a drag me to the play, if I didn't go on my own. I couldn't disappoint my namesake for the night. :D Needless to day, yesterday was another very low day for me. *sigh*

Today, hubby and I ran a lot of errands today and went shopping, so we decided to check out the Co Op cafe, which has an awesome salad bar, olive bar, and homemade all natural entrees. I got two plates, loaded up one with salad items such as lettuce, spring mix, red pepper, snow peas, broccoli, 2 artichoke hearts, about 1/2 cup of Moroccan cous cous salad with veggies, a couple of cherry tomatoes, and fruit (1 humongous strawberry, canteloupe, some red grapes, raspberries, and two good pieces of pineapple) with chipotle ranch dressing and a couple of croutons on top. The other plate, I had a huge amount of broccoli (again, only hot, lol!) in garlic butter (not greasy at all, very tasty, too!), kale, summer squash and red pepper in a light sauce, and some spicy rice with cabbage, jumbo shrimp and snow peas- everything was absolutely delicious, and the best part is that I didn't walk away bloated like I do whenever we go out to eat! I estimate that I had about 6-8 grams of fiber there, judging by what was on my plate. Might have been a little higher, but to be on the safe side, I'll just leave it at that. I couldn't make dinner again tonight, due to us trying to fix the plumbing problem, almost a success, but need to do more work tomorrow *sigh again*.


Today's menu-

breakfast/lunch-

At the Co Op Cafe- 6-8 grams
2 bottles of Glaciar Distilled Water- one with lunch, and one I drank after food shopping

Dinner-

2 pieces of Fiber One 9 Grain bread- 12 grams
roast beef, mayonaise and mustard
2 servings of Beanitos white bean Nacho Cheese and Better Cheddar flavor 12 grams
gnu foods high fiber Blondie bar- 12 grams
chocolate milk


total for dinner- 36 grams

total for the day- 42-44 grams

As I said, we went shopping today. At the Co Op, I picked up these high fiber bars- Blondie flavor and Chocolate Brownie flavor. Tried the Blondie tonight- it was ok, but it didn't taste anything like a Blondie, that's for sure- very fruity flavor to it, if you ask me. It didn't taste bad, but I wouldn't buy it again for $1.89 per bar. Hopefully, the Chocolate Brownie flavor tastes better. I'll just stick to my high fiber Market Basket or Hannaford bars, thank you very much, if this is the best they can do for high fiber bars at an all natural store. :rofl:

I waited with such excitement and anticipation for the infamous Beanitos........well, I don't care for the Nacho flavor ones at all- too "beany" tasting for my liking. Of course, dummy me bought two bags of that flavor as well as the Better Cheddar kind, and one bag of pinto beans with sea salt. If only I didn't live so far away from where these products are, I would have just bought one until I tried them out first. Better Cheddar wasn't too bad, hopefully the pinto bean with sea salt is good. I will eat them so as not to waste them, but very disappointed in the Nacho and Better Cheddar flavors, with Better Cheddar being the better flavor of the two I tried tonight.

The Fiber One 9 Grain bread is awesome! They didn't have my Arnold's Double Fiber Bread, so I found this one and decided to try it- it is nice and moist, thick slices, too! I just might try these in French toast some time.

They didn't have my Snyder's Eat Smart Tortilla Chips, but Bachman has a similar product, so I picked up a couple of bags of those. I like to keep all of my high fiber stuff handy and ready to use, especially during times when I can't cook and eat my salads- having an awful lot of those days these past two weeks!

I hope everyone is doing great this weekend. Enjoy the rest of it!

Liliann
03-16-2014, 08:13 AM
Pattience....I aim high of my Fiber level, I read food labels and tracking only fiber. The average person recoomends 20-35,but I go much deeper. It keeps my tummy good!!

Saturday Total Fiber...71

Pattience
03-16-2014, 08:35 AM
I found a really good article on fibre. do you want to read it? Its quite enlightening.

http://nutritionwonderland.com/2010/03/understanding-our-bodies-fiber/

You should see the fibre in my pea soup today. AND it was yummier than expected.

I know you don't cook Lilian, but here's the easy recipe for anyone else who wants it.

start with
per 100g of dried split peas per person/serving. For each serving add the following
1 onion (so two onions for 200g of peas)
1tsp butter or ghee or a good oil
1 clove garlic
1 tbsp tomato paste
2 cups water
salt to taste

Ideally its good to soak the peas to reduce cooking time but if you don't do that, just cook the whole thing to death and then blend it with a bar mix. Cook it with the lid on until you've got a consistency you like and then lid off if you want to thin it down and add water if you want to thicken it up. At the right consistency, its highly tasty and somewhat sweet from the onions and garlic.

Today in my pot i think i put about 1 tsp salt in 250g of peas. Usually peas and legumes need a fair bit of salt to make it taste right but it shouldn't taste salty.

A serve would be 100g of peas and it has about 20 grams of soluble fibre, and i can't remember how much protein but its all good as far as i'm concerned.

I'll probably do the same recipe with red lentils when i buy some. Earlier today i was checking up on protein and fibre content in all the legumes and pulses that i'm likely to eat.

If you don't cook, you could get a similar benefit from canned pea soup, usually pea and ham. Obviously it would just need heating up.

What's more, today, i haven't actually passed much wind yet either!

Liliann
03-16-2014, 10:31 AM
Just wanted to let you all know that I gained 26 Lbs and up over at 400s. The daily weigh ins is not for me and just need to become calm on this....So, I will weigh in on a monthly basis...April 16th will be my due date to peak.

I will and shall continue tracking Fiber and Wait on this next month to see if this works, I am disappointed, but determined than ever!! I won't quit!!!

Have a great day!!

Steelslady
03-16-2014, 04:22 PM
Just wanted to let you all know that I gained 26 Lbs and up over at 400s. The daily weigh ins is not for me and just need to become calm on this....So, I will weigh in on a monthly basis...April 16th will be my due date to peak.

I will and shall continue tracking Fiber and Wait on this next month to see if this works, I am disappointed, but determined than ever!! I won't quit!!!

Have a great day!!

Awe, hun, I know how frustrating fluid fluctuations can be! I gain water weight from exercise, standing in the kitchen cooking for a few hours, excess sodium. There's just no way that you consumed 91,000 calories yesterday, so take heart- it will come off eventually! ;)

While you are logging in your daily fiber, log your exercise as well, or if you were standing on your feet for long periods of time without much movement. This will help give you an idea as to the cause of this retention.

In a few minutes, I am going to "drain" my feet by laying on my couch with my feet at an angle against the wall for about 15-20 minutes. This really helps drain out the fluid from the ankles and leg areas, where fluid pools easily.

Tonight, I will also put my feet up under two fluffy pillows while I read in bed. I keep them like that for a minimum of 15-20 minutes, sometimes longer, while reading.

Are you on a fluid pill by any chance? I am on triameterene once a day. It does help cut down on some of the fluid, but I still have to elevate my feet, especially if I have been either consuming more sodium than usual or if I just stand or sit around instead of moving most of the day.

Hang in there, hun. You are doing great, and it is coming off for you, just have to get the fluid situation under control! :hug:

Liliann
03-16-2014, 05:08 PM
Steelslady....Thanks...One out of 3 pressure meds is a water pill that I take daily. Besides Fiber logging, I also track miles of my fitness. I just need to wait on the scale..I did had fast food last night, so I knew it would be up...So I am weighing on a monthly basis.You are doing great!

Pattience
03-16-2014, 08:27 PM
Hi Lilian, sorry to hear you are disappointed. Its important to manage those feelings but i certainly don't think its bad as you fear.

Nevertheless you've just told us the likely reason for you large increase in weight overnight. take way foods have a high salt level and salt in the blood needs to hold onto water. Just as if we quit salt altogether we'd lose a lot of water weight. But doing that is harmful too because our bodies do need some salt. About 1 tsp a day in total. I know that not having enough salt is important because you can become dehydrated without realising it because you do not feel thirsty, even though you've been sweating and peeing it all out. I experienced this but luckily did not get sick. I just got night cramps in my legs.

Whenever i eat my favourite japanese food when i go to the city i have a major weight hike overnight because asian food as well as most takeaway stuff is very high in salt. Cheese is high in salt. Processed foods are high in salt.

I am now not so bothered by the yo yo of my weight.
Other reasons i've seen for my water weight increase is menstruation
but for the most part i think the fluctuations have to do with salt and water and so i watch the scales go up and down massively sometimes and don't take it too seriously.

If you want to understand it better do some searches on the way the body regulates and salt and fluid levels in the body. I think its important for dieters to have some understanding of this because of way we read the scales and how that affects our moods.

For me i would be scared to do it only once a month because i might choose a bad day to do it and mistakenly think i'd lost no weight when i had if i was holding a lot of water that night.

Anyway look after your mood. Keep optimistic. Don't give up. You are on the right path.

Another thing that keeps my weight up overnight - usually over a few days is because i don't go to the loo every day so i get an increase from that. My depression meds cause that problem. And since i read that article about seratonin yesterday i now understand how and why my meds cause it.

Liliann
03-16-2014, 09:30 PM
Hello all. I come to say I won't count fiber...breads/bagels are loaded with salt and starting on monday...I will be on a liquid diet... 3 smoothies a day. that I will get my fruits/veggies in...and drinking plenty of water...

Good luck to you all. Take Care

pattygirl63
03-16-2014, 10:36 PM
Pattience - Thanks for the link and also for the recipe. I love split pea soup and since I have to be careful with the salt, homemade would be better.

I am amazed how this is beginning to fall together for me. I'm using the Intuitive Eating principles. When hungry, eat whatever you really want (I do make my choices from Fiber such as grains, fruits and veggies and then Protein. I am trying to learn to eat only as much as I need to be satisfied and then stop. Haven't mastered it completely, but I am happy to say that I am eating fairly reasonable amounts of calories and fiber. Today my calories were 1373 and fiber was 52g. I am so very pleased.

I too have problems with my weight going up and down because of the sodium. I do eat some processed foods, but do try to watch to keep the sodium under 2300 g although I don't always make it.

I get so wiped out when we go out to eat in restaurants or fast food places that it has almost taken the pleasure out of going out. I have read that although they aren't supposed to use msg in those places that they actually do. I am thinking that is what makes me so tired. Of course, I have added more fiber into my diet quicker than I had intended so that could be some of the problem too. I don't know. I've never tried to find out what all happens when you go too fast. However, I think my system is starting to adjust to it pretty good. My weight was even back down under 230 this morning. Now I just hope I can keep it and keep going down. Fasting blood sugar has not been back down to 118, but it is not going up over 160s any more. I know more exercise will help that, but didn't feel like doing as much as I usually do the past few weeks. However, I did do 4 days this week instead of 3 on the recumbant bike and I actually did almost 4 miles 2 days. It sure made me feel a lot better about myself when I did. I was talking on the phone and did it before I realized it.

Well I'm tired so I'm going to close for tonight.

Steelslady
03-17-2014, 03:45 AM
Hello all. I come to say I won't count fiber...breads/bagels are loaded with salt and starting on monday...I will be on a liquid diet... 3 smoothies a day. that I will get my fruits/veggies in...and drinking plenty of water...

Good luck to you all. Take Care

They do have salt in them, but some high fiber products are lower than others. I noticed Fiber One bread was lower than Arnold's brand, both great breads, but I just might stick to the Fiber One. I noticed that most of the high fiber snack items, at least the ones I buy anyway, are much lower in sodium than the chips and crackers that I used to eat. Little changes go a long way.

By juicing, you can also whoosh away a lot of salt with cucumbers, celery, asparagus, and leafy greens. Fruit also helps whoosh away sodium as well. Drinking water helps, too, especially distilled water. Apple cider vinegar in a cup of warm water with four Stevia drops helps get the sodium under control as well- I drink this once or twice a day- some days, I just forget the second beverage. Also, like I said before, pillows under your feet at night for 20-30 minutes, or put your feet at an angle against the wall- I did that tonight, I actually started tapping my feet to some music- glad no one was around to see me dancing on the wall. :rofl: Exercise also helps with fluid retention- yes, you gain it at our weight for a few days, but the whoosh is so worth it when it comes off.

So, juicing is a great thing, but I caution you to just be realistic about it- it's very hard to do alone long term. I wish you the best, though, if this is what you feel you have to do! You were doing great on the high fiber, I think you just get too nervous about the water gains- I totally understand that, but at our weight, plus all the medications we're on, we have to expect these crazy fluctuations for the first 60-80 pounds that come off. The lower we get in weight, the stronger our muscles become as we continue to work out, combined with watching our sodium intake causes these fluctuations to happen less and less. It is indeed frustrating- I gained three pounds of water weight last week from swimming, took a few days to come off, but I knew it was my muscles holding onto the water while they healed for a couple of days.

Also, as we start to get smaller and in better shape, our blood pressure levels lower, causing us to go lower in medication- medications can also wreak havoc with fluid retention- it's just something we have to hang in there for a little bit and let happen, and not get discouraged by it. Recently, they lowered my Propranolol from 80 mg to 60 mg. They also took me off my thyroid medicine (I have Grave's Disease), because it made me hypothyroid. I actually have hyperthyroidism and have to watch my levels carefully. I am nervous about being off of this medicine because at any time, my thyroid levels could jump up to Grave's again, which is scary- heart palpitations, hot and sweating like I just ran a marathon even though I am sitting still, just miserable symptoms. However, I am doing it because it's not good for me to be hypo, either. The battle of the thyroid drives me crazy- it also causes my blood pressure to hit the roof, too, when the heart palpitations start.

Again, I would log daily my weight and exercise, to see if perhaps most of this retention is just simply your muscles hanging onto the water to heal, which takes a few days. That is a great thing, believe or not, because it means your muscles are getting stronger, and once healed, they release the water. Muscle also takes up less space than fat, eventually clothes will get loser and you'll look and feel better as time goes on.

Also, why not combine the juicing with the high fiber diet? Instead of having two bagels for breakfast, maybe have one with a juice. Same thing with lunch and dinner, have a juice before you eat. Not only will it help fill you up, you'll cut down on the sodium in some of the foods that may be high.

Anyhow, good luck to you on your new journey of juicing- I wish you all the best! Don't forget about us here! ;)

pattygirl63
03-17-2014, 11:55 AM
My fasting blood sugar was up today. I think it was the veggie burger I ate on the HF English muffin last night. As a diabetic, I have to not only watch sugar but being too carby. Also the sodium is a problem that I have to deal with, but the good news is that I was still under 230 and in fact had lost another .2 of a lb. My bp was a little higher than usual for me, but still good for my weight. So overall it was good. The bp being up a little tells me not to eat a veggie burger on the HF/LS English muffin at night.

I actually find that a lot of this with me is learning what works for my body.
I've learned over the years that just because a doctor, a diet, etc even the ADA says I can eat a certain food is not gospel and it may not work for my body. I've learned a lot of what I can and cannot eat through experience.
For example, oatmeal is supposed to be a really great diabetic food. I couldn't eat it for a while because it spiked my blood sugar so high. When I switched to instant Steel Cut oats, I had no problem with it. However, a serving of instant Steel Cut oats is 1/4 c dry. One day I got to thinking about it and wondered what would happen if I ate 1/4 c dry regular oats instead of the 1/2 c serving. So I tried it. I was thrilled to learn that it worked just fine for me. I seem to have learned that with the fiber foods as well. I seem to be able to handle between 30 anf 40 g fiber well, but if I go higher I'm not sure I do. I've got to learn more about sodium results in the diets etc.

Lilliann I know that it takes more time and work to do this, but from what I see this is how Steelslady has learned what works for her and I know this is what I'm having to do. For me, I think it is the difference in success and failure. One diet or way of eating DOES NOT fit all. So byy all means don't give up and do find out what works for you. You will be glad that you did. Good luck on your journey.

Steelslady You actually inspire me to keep on keeping on. I your experience and see what may be happening with me and it helps me even more to understand what my body is telling me about what I am doing and why. Thank you for being willing to share.

I am going to continue counting my calories as I believe that is important for me and now that I know how to watch the Fiber, I'm going to just relax and enjoy what I'm doing. MFP makes it so easy for me to keep up with the both counts. I will also do some research to see if I can learn more about how sodium affects the body and if it affects the blood sugar. I have always read labels, but I am learning that I am beginning to have to read for more information on it than before. Started reading carb counts, then calories, then fiber and now more on sodium. I am studying nutrition more now than ever.

Y'all have a good day!!

Steelslady
03-17-2014, 02:03 PM
Sunday's menu-

breakfast/lunch-

ham and cheese omelet
2 HF English mufffins, two halves with butter, two with low cal chunky PB and Polaner preserves- 22 grams

total for b/l- 22 grams

dinner-

Apricot chicken made with Polaner preserves- 16 grams :rofl:
Israeli couscous with roasted veggies- 4 grams, maybe more, not sure- had lots of veggies in it (summer squash, zucchini, eggplant, yellow cherry tomatoes, asparagus, red pepper)

total for dinner- 20 grams, maybe more, not sure......

total for the day- 42 grams



Today's menu- Happy Saint Patrick's Day, everyone!

Breakfast/lunch-

two turkey wraps with lettuce- 12 grams
two servings of Bachman's Whole Grain tortilla chips- 6 grams
glass of milk

total for breakfast/lunch- 18 grams

Dinner-

corned beef with lotsa mustard and a little bit of ketchup
1/2 cup each of sweet and white potatoes 5.5 grams
3/4 medium carrot 1 gram
1/4 cup green beans 1.4 grams
2 cups cabbage with butter and a dash of salt and pepper 5.6 grams
2 and a half slices of Irish soda bread, I think- everytime I would butter mine, darling youngest daughter would grab it after I took a bite and eat the rest of it!- 3.6 grams
small McDonald's Shamrock shake- only drank 3/4 of it, while everyone else polished off their large shakes. :D

total for dinner- 17.1 grams

total for the day- 35.1 grams

not sure about the fiber counts of all. Will try to edit and update later. Just figured I would get my menu up. I'll probably gain some water weight from the corned beef (sodium), but this Irish girl don't care, she's enjoying her corned beef tonight. It'll whoosh off eventually. :D

I haven't had my annual Shamrock shake from Mickey D's. I never eat there, but I do love those things. Sister has been trying to get me to have one for two weeks now, told her I would wait until tonight, make it my treat. Knowing our luck, we'll forget about it on the way home- got to do some shopping in a few minutes. Either that, or the machine won't be running, then she'll really be mad at me. :lol:

pattygirl63
03-17-2014, 08:29 PM
Today's calories 1655 and fiber 32

Liliann
03-17-2014, 08:57 PM
Steelslady.....You are doing such remarkable efforts!! I am proud of you! Keep it up.

Trish....You are also doing wonderful...and glad that you staying strong..I know you will keep this going.

:cheer: to the both of ya!!

Ladies...All day Monday was in major pain..am dealing with sciatica and in pain. I messed this day the worst. On Tuesday, I will begin tracking fiber, I miss breads and bagels and I just won't weigh in daily..just weekly. I was doing great till we had take out foods of chicken and fries..I knew I will spiked up, but never that high. Lesson learn.

I will start back up Tuesday....and sharing my fiber count..Thanks ladies for letting me vent. I am alone on this and good on having you along. I am a stay at home caregiver and now with my sicatica flare up, it makes it worst.

Keep on,keeping on ladies...WE CAN DO THIS!!! :hug: Have a high fiber Tuesday!

Liliann
03-17-2014, 10:05 PM
Today Total Fiber..45

Steelslady
03-17-2014, 11:09 PM
Pattience - Thanks for the link and also for the recipe. I love split pea soup and since I have to be careful with the salt, homemade would be better.

I am amazed how this is beginning to fall together for me. I'm using the Intuitive Eating principles. When hungry, eat whatever you really want (I do make my choices from Fiber such as grains, fruits and veggies and then Protein. I am trying to learn to eat only as much as I need to be satisfied and then stop. Haven't mastered it completely, but I am happy to say that I am eating fairly reasonable amounts of calories and fiber. Today my calories were 1373 and fiber was 52g. I am so very pleased.

I too have problems with my weight going up and down because of the sodium. I do eat some processed foods, but do try to watch to keep the sodium under 2300 g although I don't always make it.

I get so wiped out when we go out to eat in restaurants or fast food places that it has almost taken the pleasure out of going out. I have read that although they aren't supposed to use msg in those places that they actually do. I am thinking that is what makes me so tired. Of course, I have added more fiber into my diet quicker than I had intended so that could be some of the problem too. I don't know. I've never tried to find out what all happens when you go too fast. However, I think my system is starting to adjust to it pretty good. My weight was even back down under 230 this morning. Now I just hope I can keep it and keep going down. Fasting blood sugar has not been back down to 118, but it is not going up over 160s any more. I know more exercise will help that, but didn't feel like doing as much as I usually do the past few weeks. However, I did do 4 days this week instead of 3 on the recumbant bike and I actually did almost 4 miles 2 days. It sure made me feel a lot better about myself when I did. I was talking on the phone and did it before I realized it.

Well I'm tired so I'm going to close for tonight.

Trish, do I ever relate to you on eating out. My sister loves to eat out, but I just can't do it anymore at most of the restaurants out there. I told her, it was a choice of three of them, which has natural food (two of them) and another has a decent salad bar and I get their Louisiana Chicken Quesadillas to go with the salad bar (Ruby Tuesdays). Though they have a high sodium count (the quesadillas), they don't make me exhausted and bloated feeling like other meals do at most restaurants.

My neighbor owns a cafe- everything, even the baked goods, are made from scratch. He doesn't believe in adding extra sugar or salt to foods, and everything at his cafe is just delicious. Even the bacon he cooks isn't loaded with the sodium and fat that the stores sell, what a flavor to it! Recently, I just found a Co Op around here that also has a cafe with all natural and homemade foods and a great salad bar. When hubby and I ate there the other day, it was amazing, and again, neither him nor myself were bloated and exhausted after eating there. Restaurants add way too much sodium (MSG) and sugar to foods. It's really sad what they put in our food in stores and in restaurants.

You look like you have found a great diet plan there, kiddo- great job! Unfortunately, while the veggie burgers are loaded with fiber, they also have carbs in them, too. Some of the carbs in them are slow carbs (beans), but it's what they add to them (bread crumbs) that make them more sugar carb. If I were you, I would try to eat them earlier in the day, when you can walk or exercise the sugars off. Unfortunately, eating them as a late night snack and going to bed keep the sugars in your system because they aren't burned off. Try another protein source before bed- cheese, peanut butter, meat of some sort, and see if that helps. I don't recall where I heard this, I think it was my elderly friend's doctor who told us that she should walk for 15-20 minutes right after she eats carbs to burn the sugars off, and to not have anything with sugar before bed. If you have to have something, to make sure it's paired with a protein source. Not sure if this would help you or not, but figured I would pass it along. ;)

Congratulations on your weight getting down again- that's wonderful! Keep it up!

You're right about another thing- with this plan (or any, for that matter), you have to find what works for you as an individual. Some can eat more carbs on this plan, some need more protein like you and I to balance out sugars. Some can eat salt til it's pouring out of their ears and have no effect on them (my sister), while others retain it terribly for days after eating out for one meal (myself).

I think of it as an adventure, I learn something new everyday on this weight loss journey. :rofl: Now that I know all about sodium weight gain, I don't get nervous about days like tomorrow morning when I know I'll have a water weight gain after having corned beef. Sure, it's frustrating some days when that happens, but now I just ride it out and laugh it off, and stay on plan until the next salty meal comes along that I have to fight off for a few days afterwards, lol. We're getting there, we're getting healthier and thinner- it will take time, so let's sit back and enjoy the ride. :D

pattygirl63
03-17-2014, 11:09 PM
Lilliann So glad you are not giving up. Good for you. I'm not surprised that you spiked with take out chicken and fries. I know my weight is going to go up possibly 5 lbs when I eat out. However, I too am surprised it spiked so high. But everybody's body is different. Hope the weight will come back down soon.

Steelslady
03-17-2014, 11:51 PM
Steelslady.....You are doing such remarkable efforts!! I am proud of you! Keep it up.

Trish....You are also doing wonderful...and glad that you staying strong..I know you will keep this going.

:cheer: to the both of ya!!

Ladies...All day Monday was in major pain..am dealing with sciatica and in pain. I messed this day the worst. On Tuesday, I will begin tracking fiber, I miss breads and bagels and I just won't weigh in daily..just weekly. I was doing great till we had take out foods of chicken and fries..I knew I will spiked up, but never that high. Lesson learn.

I will start back up Tuesday....and sharing my fiber count..Thanks ladies for letting me vent. I am alone on this and good on having you along. I am a stay at home caregiver and now with my sicatica flare up, it makes it worst.

Keep on,keeping on ladies...WE CAN DO THIS!!! :hug: Have a high fiber Tuesday!

And I am so proud of YOU, Liliann!!!!! We will get this worked out for you, I promise! Hang in there, you deserve to lose this weight and feel great.

Since I joined this board, I have been one of your biggest silent cheerleaders. You are always so warm, caring, kind, encouraging to everyone- it's time someone took you under their wing and give it back to you. I remember a few years back when you explained your home situation (being a caretaker)- my heart just goes out to you. My sister has had mini strokes for years and now has dementia as a result of it. She has a genetic disorder (defect? mutation?- not sure I have the right word, sorry!) that unfortunately leaves her with dementia, and most people like my Dad and her, who have this, don't live past the age of 65. My Dad died when he was 64 (he didn't have dementia, thank goodness), and she is 60 years old now. She does not take good care of herself, and now I have to take care of her. Her kids are terrible- they hardly ever see her, and if it was up to them, she would be in an assisted living or nursing home. My kids are upset at times that I allowed her to move in with us, not because of her medical issues, but because she was very mean and abusive to me, even in front of them and my husband and friends.

Unfortunately, I was raised that we take care of our own, no matter what, and I would feel just horrible and guilty to see her in an assisted living or nursing home, all alone. I just can't do it. She has her good points, but those years when she was very mean and abusive to me, my kids can't get past it. However, they have been wonderful and very tolerant, even though they don't care for her. I also took care of my mother until she died 21 years ago, she was chronically ill with several medical problems, so hard as I was the only single child she had, so all of her care fell on me. Even after I got married and had a baby, I had to take care of her, too.

So, I hear you on the stress of taking care of loved ones- I have six of us to cook for and take care of (laundry, cleaning, etc), but one thing I learned this fall, after I got my sleep apnea under control and started feeling better was this- I HAVE to take good care of me, too! I deserve to be healthy and happy. I am happy with everything else in my life, but my weight. That's easy enough to fix, but it's going to take time and patience, lol. I am learning new things everyday on here and just researching all over the internet.

Speaking of learning new things- you inspired me to buy a NutriBullet today. I am going to try to make a natural diuretic smoothie and a berry smoothie once a day, while still following my high fiber plan. Thanks for mentioning this in the thread- I didn't know about the NutriBullet until you mentioned it in this thread. The one and only juicer I bought several years ago was awful- five pound of carrots, and all I got was 1/8-to 1/4 of a cup of juice, and meanwhile, the rest of the vegetable was in a waste container in the back of the machine after the juice was extracted. Talk about a waste of a vegetable and money- needless to say, I got rid of that juicer! I am very happy with what I have read about the NutriBullet and how it uses most of the entire fruits and vegetables (except for fruits that are pitted and some veggies have to be peeled, not many, though), including the seeds in most fruits and veggies, which have hidden nutrients! I can't wait to try it, even my husband, who has started this high fiber diet this past week after seeing my progress, can't wait to see what combinations I come up with! I bought some Asian pears, as someone suggested on here that they are high in fiber along with raspberries. Going to make a berry smoothie and a diuretic smoothie tomorrow- I will let you know how it works and tastes. Thanks again for suggesting it- sounds like this would be a great accompaniment to this plan.

I promise, we will get this weight off together- keep posting, tell us what is going on, and we'll get this sorted out. You have done amazing on this diet, just ride out the fluctuations as they will pass, I promise. We've all had to make tweaks and adjustments along the way- it is a learning process for sure, and time and patience will get us to our goal weight.

I hope you feel better, too- so sorry about the sciatica nerve acting up. I never had issues with it until my first pregnancy. I don't know what was worse for me, the pain, or the collapsing when it would act up. I actually fell and crashed to the floor one day in front of my nurse, it just gave out that fast, no warning, and then sitting or walking was just awful. I've only had a few boughts with it, but I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I hope you are feeling better tomorrow morning and pain free. :hug: So glad you are back, I really want to see you be happy and succeed- you deserve this!

Steelslady
03-18-2014, 12:56 AM
2 fruits that are high in fiber are raspberries and Asian pears.

Thank you for reminding me about the raspberries- I completely forgot about them being high in fiber.

When I was a kid, we had raspberry bushes in our back yard- we use to pick them and eat them with a little bit of cream and sugar- so good! We have raspberry bushes in our yard here, too, but not enough of them- hubby and I end up sharing the one bowl of raspberries we get out of the bushes out back. I need to get more bushes, maybe this year. We have two apple trees, a peach tree, two pear trees, and are getting two cherry trees for Mother's Day. I just love my fruit trees!

I bought some raspberries today along with the Asian pears- I have never had those pears before, they're shaped and look like an apple. Can't wait to try them- got four of them, going to use one in a smoothie tomorrow.

Steelslady, Thank you for letting me know which bread you buy. I bought a loaf of When Pigs Fly high fiber bread and it tasted like cardboard.

I found Beanitos at the Hannaford's on Ft Eddy Rd. I bought the plain ones and DH & I had some with our lunch. We thought they were pretty good.

Is the pool you go to in Concord at the "Y"? Keep up the exercising, you're doing great.

Please post your recipe for the apricot chicken, it sounds really good.

I totally agree about this winter! I've had enough of it.



thanks for the help on finding the Beanitos- I don't care for the Nacho cheese flavor, too beany tasting for me. Better Cheddar tastes a little better- maybe I just favor the darker beans varieties? Going to try the pinto with sea salt in the next two days.

We go swimming at the Comfort Inn in Concord- they are closed from 1 PM to 2:30 Pm for cleaning, but for $7.00 per 24 hour period, you can't beat the price. They have a hot tub, sauna, and a shower as well. For the most part, the pool is nice and warm. I love it there. I just bought some ankle weights and arm water weights, can't wait to try them out in the pool. The staff is very friendly there, they even let us grab a free coffee on the way out. :D You should go sometime, I think you would enjoy it! Just about everyone we've met there is very fun and friendly- there are others who go on a daily or two or three times a week basis. I met a wonderful couple last week and we've been in touch ever since and are going to try and plan a swim/exercise time together sometime this week.

Wouldn't you know, I bought all of the ingredients for the Apricot Chicken, and then I lost the blasted recipe- I had to make up my own, which was awesome, but I need to tweak it- came out too soupy, may just cut out the water that I used with the no sodium chicken broth and just add the broth granules instead. I had to thicken it up with cornstarch. Still the family really enjoyed it, and my poor oldest daughter got a cleaning out last night. :rofl:.

Hi Lilian, sorry to hear you are disappointed. Its important to manage those feelings but i certainly don't think its bad as you fear.

Nevertheless you've just told us the likely reason for you large increase in weight overnight. take way foods have a high salt level and salt in the blood needs to hold onto water. Just as if we quit salt altogether we'd lose a lot of water weight. But doing that is harmful too because our bodies do need some salt. About 1 tsp a day in total. I know that not having enough salt is important because you can become dehydrated without realising it because you do not feel thirsty, even though you've been sweating and peeing it all out. I experienced this but luckily did not get sick. I just got night cramps in my legs.

Whenever i eat my favourite japanese food when i go to the city i have a major weight hike overnight because asian food as well as most takeaway stuff is very high in salt. Cheese is high in salt. Processed foods are high in salt.

I am now not so bothered by the yo yo of my weight.
Other reasons i've seen for my water weight increase is menstruation
but for the most part i think the fluctuations have to do with salt and water and so i watch the scales go up and down massively sometimes and don't take it too seriously.

If you want to understand it better do some searches on the way the body regulates and salt and fluid levels in the body. I think its important for dieters to have some understanding of this because of way we read the scales and how that affects our moods.

For me i would be scared to do it only once a month because i might choose a bad day to do it and mistakenly think i'd lost no weight when i had if i was holding a lot of water that night.

Anyway look after your mood. Keep optimistic. Don't give up. You are on the right path.

Another thing that keeps my weight up overnight - usually over a few days is because i don't go to the loo every day so i get an increase from that. My depression meds cause that problem. And since i read that article about seratonin yesterday i now understand how and why my meds cause it.

Pattience- so glad you have joined us! I really love reading your posts and you have posted some great ideas as well as advice. I hope you continue to stay with our happy group, we may be small, but everyone here including yourself is helpful, caring, compassionate, and fun to post with. I think I will add your "lack of a trip to the loo" as one of the other reasons why a big gain can happen overnight. That used to happen to my best friend alot, she was on and still is on a laxative. She has lost almost 100 pounds, but sadly, her diet is still not very good- much better than before, but she still needs to get more healthy foods in her, especially fiber. She always jokes about how whenever she eats at my house, she gets a good cleaning out and feels better afterwards, to a point where she doesn't need her laxative that day. :lol: I always cooks lots of veggies and we always have a bunch of fruit on our table in a basket, and she chows away on it all. I keep telling her to increase her fiber, but I am so proud of her for her weight loss- she looks wonderful, the best I have ever seen her look in the 31 years we've been friends. Oh, and she did it all on processed foods- she doesn't cook at all, but she still did it.


I just want to say, thank you to all of you for your kind comments and compliments, but honestly, you have ALL helped me in more ways than I can count. From sharing recipes and food ideas, discussing our medical issues and working them out together, discussing exercise, but most of all, just the warm and caring support towards myself as well as to each other has just been amazing and so very very helpful. This is my all time favorite thread on here besides the comical old hula hoop thread 6 years ago (wow, I've been here a long time, lol!). I enjoy reading everyone's post every day, and I look forward to reading all of your posts in the future. Please keep them coming!


While I still have some energy left in me, I am going to clip out some exercises from various Fitness magazines, Woman's World, Prevention, etc, and put them in an old photo album that I have never used to keep them on hand. Years ago, I did this, and what a fun and great tool it was for me to help trim and tone. I pick out exercises that I know I can and want to do, and it is amazing just how many there are out there. I can remember having over 60 or so different exercises in my old album, unfortunately, it got damaged in a flood in our basement, and I just never made another one. So I am going to start doing that tonight, and add to it as I find them in the different magazines I buy. Have a great night, all, and looking forward to catching up with you tomorrow! :hug:

Steelslady
03-18-2014, 01:57 AM
One last post, before I got to bed, I promise. You'll all be begging me to shut up after this. :rofl:

I just wanted to list some natural diuretic foods and beverages so folks have a handy reference to choose from, if they want to help flush out the water weight. Just remember, drink plenty of water so you don't get dehydrated not only when eating/drinking natural diuretic foods and beverages, but also to prevent constipation on this high fiber diet. I love Glaceau Smart Water- it is distilled and has electrolytes in it and tastes fabulous. I wish I could drink it all the time, but it is a bit expensive. I drink it a few times a week when I can afford it.

Anyhow, here is the list, starting with the beverages-

green tea
cranberry juice
apple cider vinegar
dandelion tea
nettle tea
fennel tea

veggies and fruits-

artichokes
asparagus
beets
cabbage
carrots
celery
chives
cucumbers
chives
fennel
fig
garlic (great for allergies and asthma, too)
horseradish (yummy on a roast beef sandwich!)
lettuce
mangoes
watermelon
parsley
papayas
peaches
pumpkin
oats
strawberries
tomatoes
watercress

I can attest to cabbage being a great diuretic, only I didn't know until tonight how great it is. I had two cups of it tonight, 5.6 grams of fiber, and let's just say, I think I am in for a long night in the loo thanks to the cabbage and my fluid pill! :lol:
Good night again, I promise I am done for the night! :D

Pattience
03-18-2014, 02:10 AM
Lilian, i am very glad to hear you are not giving up. On us or on the fibre. Its a good decision.

steelslady, thanks for your kind words. I think you must be a very sweet person.

Shame about your friend needing to take laxatives daily. I feel scared of the idea of doing something like that. I don't know why really because i have to take my meds every day. For a while when my diet wasnt so good i did try psyllium fibre which is a food type laxative if you like with no calories. But ultimately i got sick of that. i't sure bugs me that i can't go to the loo as readily as everyone else who's eating as well as me. Oh of course i never have any trouble when i'm not dieting because then there's so much crap in my system, it can't help but come out, right? sorry that's probably too much information.

I can't remember what i said in my last post and i'm rather too lazy to go back and look.

Anyway two days in a row i started a new brekky, as we say in Australia, in order to get more protein coming in. And i'm loving it but i don't know how long i will be able to keep on doing it. Usually out of laziness i need to return to cereal-in-bowl-with-milk type breakfast. But for now i'm trying as hard as i can to make my food balance as best as possible. So i'm having one fried egg on one wholegrain toast with a smidgeon of butter.

And second course is 1/2 cup of the best quality yoghurt i can find - that means the only one that does not put cream in it and which is not low fat. (our dairy food industry has basically been ruined by the low fat trend that we've had to put up with for some time now.) Oh yes, so yoghurt with a pear and 1tsp of sunflower seeds.

I tell you that last little bit was so yummy i was highly tempted to go back for more. BUT I DIDN'T.

And of course coffee with goats milk. I"m making a slight switch from lots of cows milk and less yoghurt to lots of yoghurt and some goats milk. its quite pricey so i don't really want to consume more than 1 litre a week - i.e. five times the price of cows milk here. I'll probably consume a cup of goats milk a day or a bit more. I like to keep my dairy up for the calcium.

Today i made another split pea soup. I made a good discovery about it. Its a great way to use up vegies that are starting to fade. So at the last minute i added the rest of last weeks bunch of celery and two carrots. I hate to say it but i am guilty of normally throwing lots of food out. Maybe now i can manage it better.

So food today is, briefly,

fried egg on toast with yoghurt and pear and seeds
bean salad including leaves and celery and tomato, fetta and walnuts
pea soup including onion, celery carrot
coffee all day and a bit of water
glass of wine like about now
must walk the dog today and then
choir tonight - haven't done enough practice.
got a new credit card to help me resolve some financial issues
did a tiny bit of sewing so

all up i'm coming better than last few weeks when things have been messy. This means its probably coming round time to me focusing on a calorie deficit again.

Pattience
03-18-2014, 02:12 AM
Like very much your last post steels lady. I think we are two of a kind in different ways. We like to share a lot of stuff. lol

aleka
03-18-2014, 07:32 AM
Lilliann, I'm sorry that you had a weight gain, but I agree with what the others said, it's only temporary and will come off. Steelslady had a good idea about eating one bagel instead of two and eating it with your juice.

Glad that you've decided not to give up and will be sticking around. Counting fiber has really worked for you.

I hope your sciatica goes away soon. and you're feeling better. :hug: DH had it a few years ago and had to go to PT. Thankfully it hasn't bothered him since.

Pattience, yesterday I put 1/4 cup of red kidney beans on my salad. It was really good. I used canned beans and rinsed them off....I'm a lazy cook. When these are gone I'm going to try another bean. Thanks for the tip!

Steelslady, Thank you for letting me know about the Comfort Inn. I didn't realize they let the public use their pool, that's good to know.

Have you been to Natural Choice Mkt. on Rte. 28A in Hooksett? DH & I are going later today and I'm looking forward to see what they have.

Pattygirl, That's great you've discovered what your body can handle in the way of food. I have GERD and I'm still learning.

Hope everyone has a great day.

Pattience
03-18-2014, 07:58 AM
Aleka, if there's one bean i can't bear to eat its kidney beans. So saying you liked your salad even with kidney beans is quite something.

Yes i use the canned beans and rinse them off too. Apparently there's something in the water that's not so good.

I'm a quite a lazy cook most of the time too. But the pea soup is really really easy. Chop onions - even roughly, put everything in pot. Cook, blend, eat. Its really not much harder than making my salad, though of course its messier and one has to wait a bit for the cooking. And i can't eat salad night and day. I like a hot meal at night especially now that the weather is just starting to cool a tiny bit.

That said, i realised today that 500g of peas makes a real lot of soup. I should probably have some tubs to put it in the freezer in separate servings but I'm not that organised yet. …. I've got about 4 litres of soup or is it three. So now there won't be much cooking this week which is a good thing actually since this evening, the gas bottle ran out and i haven't managed switch it over to the other one and my father who generally does these things is a way for a few more days. I will miss my fried egg tomorrow - that much i can say.

pattygirl63
03-18-2014, 10:44 AM
Made a copy of this article I got in my Healthy Living Newsletter this morning and thought I would share it. It gives some new ideas of foods with fiber to eat. It also had some recipes with some of these, but I didn't copy those. I figure we can go to Healthy Living. come and get them if we want.

Eat These 9 Foods to Lose Weight

When you think about losing weight, eating doesn't normally come to mind, but the right foods can actually help you shed pounds and reach your weight-loss goals. Here are nine foods to add to the menu that will keep you healthy, fill you up and help you slim down.

Mushrooms
Studies have shown that people find mushroom-based entrées just as satisfying as those made with lean beef. Mushrooms are far lower in calories than beef, and certain varieties such as shiitake and maitake mushrooms have been shown to reduce inflammation.

Eggs
Breakfast is a key meal when trying to shed pounds, and starting the day with protein-rich eggs will keep you feeling full longer, so you're less likely to give into temptations throughout the day.

Apples
Apples have less than 100 calories each, and they're full of fiber, which fills you up.

Soup
Starting a meal with soup prepares your body for digestion and curbs your appetite before you dig into more calorie-dense dishes.

Hot Chili Peppers
Studies have shown that people eat less when the dish they're eating is spicy.

Beans
Beans are high in fiber, meaning it takes longer to digest them. Translation: you'll feel full longer than when you eat low-fiber foods.

Green Tea
Green tea contains antioxidants that speed up your metabolism, plus its a great natural, calorie-free way to whet your palate when you're tired of plain water. Try brewing a hot mug of your favorite variety, or make a delicious Iced Mint Green Tea, which is a great alternative to sugary juices and sodas that the whole family will love sipping on.

Pears
Pears have even more fiber than apples. The next time you're throwing a grown-up gathering,

Cinnamon
Cinnamon can help curb post-meal insulin spikes. Try sprinkling it on your morning oatmeal or make cinnamon toast.

pattygirl63
03-18-2014, 11:27 AM
Lilliann Sure hope your sciatica is better this morning. I know how that feels and is the main reason that I do the recumbent bike even on the days when I really don't want to. I have one of those heated, vibrating things you put in a chair and I attached it to the seat of my bike and I use it when I ride. It is amazing how the combination of the heat,vibration and riding the bike keeps my back from hurting so bad. I really do empathize with you as a caretaker. I was a caregiver for my 1st hubby who was a paraplegic, my 2nd hubby and his mother and then helped my Daddy with my mama when she had cancer. After they all passed away, I was a caregiver professionally. I sit and think back to all those I've cared for and wonder how I did it, but you do what you have to do. Like Steelslady said, it has made me realize that I have to take care of myself. I saw them go through so many things that I DO NOT want to go through. Even the diabetes can be corrected and the complications from it avoided if I take care of me correctly. You deserve to live a happy and healthy life and you can. BTW My chiropractor who diagnosed me with sciatica told me that when I lost some of my stomach that my back would feel better. So let's keep working at this weight loss together. We can and will do it because we CHOOSE to do it. :hug:

I have had to go back and read this morning. Such a busy day I haven't time to respond to things I want to. I promise when I get back home this evening that I will make a real attempt to do so.

I will report that the fbs (fasting blood sugar) is back in the 160s this morning... barely but there. And I seem to be going down .2 lbs at a time right now which I don't mind because I went so long with out any weight loss at all. So any movement down is a blessing. It means something is working.

Have to get everyone moving to get DGS to work and do some running while he's at work.

I will return later to do indies.

Liliann
03-18-2014, 05:37 PM
Aleka....Good on seeing you posting! and doing well.

Trish...Thanks for the article on the top ten foods. Have a few of the food items listed...:cheer: good for ya that your scale is moving on the right way..slowly but surely, you will get there to your goal...Keep it up!

Another reason why I am keeping this going, to reduce the body pain... I feel alittle better, still pain. Taking Bayer ,extra strength tonight to sleep well.

I am good on the fiber count...will state my total tonight.

Pattience
03-18-2014, 07:26 PM
I did a caring job for a little while - with home visits. It sure does open your eyes to things. On top of all the physical pain and suffering that those people have to go through, there's the depression and then sometimes the difficulties of the relationship with the long suffering home carer. Its Definiltey worth avoiding ending up in a similar situation.

Resolving pain like sciatica and joint pain is an excellent reason to lose weight.

I can certainly confirm that hot spicy foods makes you eat less. But i am not sure if it could really work as a diet food. I mean if the sensation of chilli pain is so unpleasant you will stop going towards those spicy curries. And if its not so painfully spicy, you will be able to eat everything on your plate quite easily.

I've done a few trips to india and the chilli nearly killed me - not really. But it actually depress me because i couldn't find anything else to eat that was nutritious sometimes in some of the places where i was. The only alternative was cake - which wasn't very good, and ice-cream which was. And i didn't lose weight because i was avoiding real food and eating the horrible stuff. But its true that spicy food does seem to make you feel like you can't eat anymore. But i think you've got to experience the pain to feel like that.

pattygirl63
03-18-2014, 08:07 PM
Totals today 1738 calorie 32 g fiber

Aleka I'm learning what foods my glucose likes/dislikes, but now I really need to get the sodium down. I do use some processed foods which probably are the problem. My problem these days is that if I can't prepare and cook it in about 30 minutes, I want to get processed. I know that I'm probably going to have to change that. I used to cook almost everything from scratch, but DH is so picky and doesn't like a lot of foods I like so I'm bad about cooking quick foods. My 1st 2 hubbies (both deceased) would eat just about anything and the 2nd husband always told people that I was a great cook and he loved to eat. Said if he could keep me in the kitchen that he would eat all the time. So it was a big change for me when I married dear Tony who doesn't like much of anything except fast food.

Pattience I absolutely love goats milk and drank it years ago. No comparison to any other milk, but I can't afford it. There was a lady back home in TX raised goats and sold fresh milk and I got hooked on it. It was $6 a gallon then. No telling what it costs now if I could even find a goat farm. I've not tried the goats milk from grocery mainly because when my Grandmother had to drink it back when I was a teen, it stunk. I would hate to spend the kind of money in the store for it and then not be able to drink it especially with it being so expensive. It is also an excellent drink/help for people with stomach/digestive problems. Your split pea soup sounds so good and I need to make some of it myself. I read today that it is good to eat soup before a meal and I do get tired of salads all the time. I always loved salads and I don't want to get burned out on them.

SteelsLady I don't think we would ever ask you to stop posting. I like the others always learn so much from you. I too love our little group because we do share things and I hope what I share helps others as much as what y'all share helps me. Thanks for the list of diuretic foods. That is very helpful I already use some of them and I will be using some others from the list.

I used to juice and I used to wonder about some of the pulp that we threw away since a lot of the nutrition is in the skin like carrots. I not only got tired of cleaning all that off the blades of the juicer, but decided that I really needed the vitamins etc that was going down my garbage disposal. I have a Magic Bullet and probably will do some smoothies/shakes when spring fruits and veggies come on the scene. We have a local Farmers Market that opens in May and it will be nice to be able to purchase local fresh foods that hopefully will be healthier than the GMO foods or those sprayed with poison.

I'm hoping to get some of the list of foods that have been shared and the suggested foods others are eating will help me cut down on some of the sodium. I'm over on my calories today, but usually keep them within my allowed calories and I've got the fiber in a good place now, but I need to get the sodium in check.

Y'all have a good evening.

Liliann
03-18-2014, 08:52 PM
:write: Total Fiber...42

Pattience
03-18-2014, 09:05 PM
Patty unfortunately, i can only get the pasteurised homogenised goats milk from the supermarket. I haven't noticed any bad smell. I hate paying that much money for it but the thing is, cows are so badly treated these days and if the goats are getting a better deal, i think i can afford just that little bit extra. I am not saying i think others should do that too because i know how long its taken me to decided to make this semi-sacrifice.

Here's hoping that at some point your hubby might get inspired by the changes you are making and decide to try changing his eating habits too.

I can understand why he doesn't like healthy foods if he's eating a lot of fast food. I think they taste quite different and don't really go together. When i am eating badly, I can't enjoy the sorts of foods i'm eating now. It has a lot to do with the strength of the flavours i think. Healthy food has more subtle flavours while fast-food is just rich strong flavours. So its also why i think refined sugar foods are such a problem for me. However, i also feel physically less well because of all the nutrition i'm lacking.

Yep, i hope you find some other good foods because i don't think eating only salads is sustainable. Although i have my bean salad, i don't try to do it 7 days a week. Somedays i have a sandwich. When i go to the city, i have korean food or Japanese - something nutrition and subtlety even though its still got lots of salt. I don't know, i find i can eat some of it and stop but with sushi from the sushi train i can't stop until i've had about 4 plates so I'm not going there anymore. I will try to choose a better restaurant if i'im going for italian or french or other but there's no way i am bothering to eat from those food courts anymore. Almost all the food is poor quality. either poor quality cooking or just super bad nutrition. Oh well except for the salad sandwiches but those salad bars don't look enticing to me in the foods courts. I find the whole atmosphere cheap and nasty and unhealthy so i have given up on them.

I also won't be eating bean pea or lentil soup every night. I will still have fried rice, or spaghetti meals a few times a week. I think its important to keep hold of the variety.

Oh i forgot. I wanted to ask about the bullet gizmo. I just saw it advertised on tele. When you have a smoothie made with one of those do you keep all the fibre in. I probably won't get one because i've got a bar mix which does all the work i need. But i agree with you juicing is not the way to go. The insulin article i posted talks about the problem with juices i think - you now too much glucose causing sugar spikes etc. A whole food smoothie might be a lot better. That said, i love some juices and would have one from time to time but not as a means to losing weight.

carabelle11
03-18-2014, 09:13 PM
I am fiber counting. Had some bowel trouble after the birth of my daughter in January.

Steelslady
03-19-2014, 12:46 AM
Oh, ladies, do I have a funny story to tell you! My sister and I went out today- we were going to the Co Op for lunch and then swimming right after. I stopped on my way there at a pharmacy to get a few vitamins and stuff, and was looking for the vitamin E oil, when I met my soulmate. :rofl: I told my husband this, and he laughed and said "only you, Audrey, only you!"


Here's how the conversation went- now, before anyone gets upset or offended for me, please don't. I truly think this man meant it as a compliment, and no, there was nothing creepy about him. I honestly didn't know how to respond to all that he said, so of course, I laughed my butt off through most of it. Anyhow, this is what he said:

walking by me, he did a double take, turns around and comes over to me and says: "hello, lovely lady, and how are you today?"

Me: "I am great, thank you, how about you?"

Him- "Well, I was having a rough day until I met you- you are one lovely and beautiful looking women!"

Me: *laughing and smiling* "thank you!"

Him- he gently grabs my arm, stares into my eyes and says- "no, I mean it. You know, I am Puerto Rican, full blooded. I am a "Puerto Rican man's man", do you know what that means?"

Me: puzzled, I said, "No"

Him- he says- "promise me you won't get mad, as this is meant as a true compliment, not an insult."

Me: "okay, sure?"

Him- "A "Puerto Rican mans man" all love their women just like their bank accounts, fat and stuffed."

Me- (thank God I had just peed in the ladies room just before this conversation)- I burst out laughing. I didn't have any reply, I just laughed.

Him- "No, I mean it, you are truly beautiful and you are a lovely lovely lady. If I was younger and you were single, I would ask you out right this second, but you're way too young for me."

Me: "why, thank you. I am happily married and I am not much younger than you."

Him-"no, seriously, you are far too young for me. But you are quite lovely, and your husband is a very lucky man."

Me- laughing- "Not sure how old you think I am, but I just turned 50 back in January."

Him- *shocked look on his face* (I get this a lot, had one person last year tell me they thought I was in my late 20's :rofl:) "No way. There is just no way you can be 50 years old, you look half that age."

Me- "no, it's true, I am really 50. Oh, and by the way, I am trying to lose weight and am going swimming after I leave here."

Him- "no, please, don't lose any weight, I mean it! You are beautiful and lovely just the way you are. You are perfect, don't change a thing!"

Me- *laughing again* "thank you, but working out makes me feel better. Speaking of which, I must go now. Have a great day!"

Him- "thank you, but please, you truly are perfect the way you are. Don't change a thing, and have a great day."


About a minute later, I was in the allergy medication aisle when this lady clerk, who heard the entire conversation, said to me: "WOW!!!!! He is absolutely smitten with you!!!! Do you know how many women try to get his attention, they practically fall all over him, trying to get him to notice them, and while he is very nice to them, he's never shown any of them any interest! He is such a sweet and lovable guy, and you're the only women I have ever heard him talk to with such adoration in his eyes!"

I told her, to pass on my advice to all those poor women who have been trying to get his attention and a date with him- "tell them all I said to gain a 150 pounds- he'll notice them then!" and I started to laugh.

She says to me- "no, seriously, we have a lot of women that come in here when he does to fill his prescriptions, some heavy, some small, etc, but you are the first women to capture his attention, ever. There's something special about you to him- he really adores you!"

I should say, they all knew him by name at the pharmacy and they all like him very much. I guess I got a compliment today, perhaps backhanded, but none the less, complimented. :rofl:

So ladies, if you know of any single heavy weights like myself looking for an adoring and loving soul mate, just tell them to head to Puerto Rico to find a man's man who will love and adore them whole heartedly- just don't lose any weight, as they want us stuffed and fat like their bank accounts. :lol:

Edit- by the way, I put myself through such a heavy workout- I kicked butt today, literally at the pool. Also, at the Co Op, I had two plates full of veggies, very little dressing, a small chicken breast and about four pieces of beef with sparkling water as my beverage. If that conversation did anything for me, it made me all the more determined to lose this weight!

Steelslady
03-19-2014, 01:03 AM
I am fiber counting. Had some bowel trouble after the birth of my daughter in January.


Well hello there, carabelle! Welcome to our happy thread- I hope you will join us, we are a fun, caring, helpful, and supportive group. I enjoy this way of life much better than any other plan, and am having great success, losing weight weekly in decent amounts. Please feel free to post with us and join us on our weight loss journeys. The more the merrier! :)

Steelslady
03-19-2014, 01:23 AM
Menu for today-

Breakfast-

2 dropped eggs on high fiber toast- 12 grams
glass of orange juice (I knew I was going swimming- upped my potassium a little for this reason)

total for breakfast- 12 grams

Lunch-

Ate again at the Co Op- excellent salad bar, olive bar, and hot plate bar- they change everything daily so there's always new food items in all of the bars. I had one full plate of high fiber and low calories veggies with a little chipotle salad dressing. The other plate, which had my hot food items, had half broccoli, 1/4 asparagus, 1/4 snow peas with a small chicken breast and about four or five pieces of beef for my protein. So, I had at least 12 grams of fiber minimum.

total for lunch- 12 grams, at least

Dinner after a vigorous workout in the pool-

four pieces of low sodium bacon
3 pieces of high fiber French toast with no sodium butter and maple syrup- 18 grams

total for dinner- 18 grams

total for the day- 42 grams at least, possibly more

I will catch up with you all tomorrow. I had a very busy day today- first, I cooked dinner for my family and prepared salad stuff for them to assemble with their dinner before my sister and I headed out to eat and go swimming. Came back at 9 PM, watched the rest of the Bruins game that I didn't know was on, gggggggggrrrrrrrrrr, while I put my feet up against the wall in my room again for 25 minutes.

I made my dinner around 10 PM, as believe it or not, I will still full from lunch, even though I put myself through a workout that I have never done before in my entire life- I need to see that handsome Puerto Rican man every day, so I stay motivated to work out that hard until all this weight is gone. :rofl: I think every time I hit the pool, I am going to think of him and that conversation and amp my workouts for good. :D

Have a great day, everyone- I had a great one today, at that pharmacy I was telling you that story about- I saved over sixty dollars on my purchase- I hit the jackpot today with all the "buy one get one free items"- woohoo!

Pattience
03-19-2014, 01:36 AM
I'm just glad you already have a good hubby who loves you.

Liliann
03-19-2014, 10:53 AM
:welcome: Carabelle....How much fiber do you have daily? The more the better for the tummy. Glad that you joined us!!

Steelslady...What a nice story about the latin guy hitting on ya.Most latin men adore BBW. Latin men are very romantic. I wish I had some in my area that are single..all of them near me are married...ugh.

Have a high fiber day all...We are doing wonderful!

sluggo88
03-19-2014, 12:21 PM
Hi Liliann was wondering if you are following a certain diet or just doing this on your own

Liliann
03-19-2014, 12:46 PM
Hi Slugg....I am doing this on my own. Counting only fiber..No dieting for me..just knowledge on my past dieting with calorie counting and weight watchers.I am doing my way and the help on this site. Glad that you joined us. :)

carabelle11
03-19-2014, 12:54 PM
:welcome: Carabelle....How much fiber do you have daily? The more the better for the tummy. Glad that you joined us!!

Steelslady...What a nice story about the latin guy hitting on ya.Most latin men adore BBW. Latin men are very romantic. I wish I had some in my area that are single..all of them near me are married...ugh.

Have a high fiber day all...We are doing wonderful!

Right now I am at 30 grams. What is best?

Liliann
03-19-2014, 01:00 PM
Carabelle....:write: You are doing great with your fiber count!! There is no target, some books recomends 20-35..But I and most folks, go much higher. to keep the tummy well. Keep up the great work!!

TamTam
03-19-2014, 02:53 PM
I am going to the local Wal-Mart probably Saturday. I seem to remember that awhile back there were these tortillas(?)- those things you make wraps with-anyway for some reason I seem to remember that there was one that had 25g of fiber for 1 wrap thing, so I am going Saturday before work and look into that. Do any of you know if there is such a thing?? I found a spagetti at Wal-Mart I think it's called Taste Right or something like that (I am not at home to get the name from the pantry) anyway it taste like regular noodles but has a fair amount of fiber. Anyway have a blessed day all.:hug:

Liliann
03-19-2014, 04:29 PM
Ladies....I had enough on my home scale ,up and down cycling...Just had it...I am going to get serious and will go this evening on getting my healthy foods and begin on Thursday a low calories plan. I just planned my menu for it. Thursday I will be 1,000 calories a day...and Not eating foods with my family. They gave me **** this afternoon and after I cooled myself down, I going to plan my own meals..and eat my foods. every single day.

Soon, I will go my food shopping on getting Lettuce,canned red kidney beans, Orignal fiber one cereal and fat free milk. I planned for Thursday and is under 1000 and fiber 64.

I need to do this...I am in pain daily and am all alone on this. My medical doctor wants me do to surgery or diet pills...and now my own family is aganist me and do not understand what a morbid obese person deals with. I am back up at 400s and also, can not do any workouts on this old house, they fear I will make the old ,old weak floors worse. I am in 400s, but struggling like anything. I am diet alone..and do my walking only outdoors..I want to dance and can not even do that..only in the yard...

I had my deep melt down and cried...But I show them I can do this without any diet pills or surgery. I am desprate and also need to be patient with the scale.

Thanks for listening...and allowing me to vent..

TamTam
03-19-2014, 05:08 PM
I need to do this...I am in pain daily and am all alone on this.

Girl you do what you need to do! But you are not alone...we are all here for you!! Who cares if the wood creaks!!! You plan your meals and if you have to eat separate from them then you do so. They won't support you? Then do it without them. Liliann your make yourself your own priority! Hang in there, you can do this!!!!:hug:

Pattience
03-19-2014, 06:49 PM
Lilian, it pains me to read your post and your solution. I am sorry you are struggling so much and I want you to succeed as we i'm sure we all do. I urge you to get a referral from your doctor to a dietician. A dietician should be able to help you work out a meal plan that is sustainable and doable in your domestic circumstances.

There are outpatient clinics usually where the hospital dieticians can work with the public. I used to work in an eating disorders clinic at a public hospital here in Australia and we had dieticians who'd see the patients. They were lovely women.

Does anyone else know about the difficulties you have at home. Eg your doctor or a social worker? There might be other forms of help available.

aleka
03-19-2014, 06:54 PM
Lillianne, you are not alone. We are here for you, so vent all you want. Do what you need to do because you are the only one who knows what's best for you. You can do this. :hug:

Tam Tam, :welcome2: Is the pasta you're talking about called Smart Taste or something like that? We bought some at Walmart had it last week. It was really good. I don't like the taste of whole wheat pasta.

Carabelle, :welcome: Your fiber count is great. I try to get at least 20g. Before WW had the points system, they had a Fat & Fiber plan and women had to have at least 20g. of fiber. As I get used to the fiber, I'll increase it.

Steelslady, loved your story about the Latin gentleman hitting on you. That must've made your day.

Pattience, I agree with you about fast food. I try to avoid it as much as possible. I also read labels when I grocery shop and try not to buy anything with high fructose corn syrup or partially hydrogenated or hydrogenated oils.

Trish, my DH was picky when we first got married. The only vegetables he'd eat were corn, peas, & lima beans. Now he eats more.

Hope you all have enjoyed this last day of winter. It doesn't seem to have ended here....it's snowing right now. :(

pattygirl63
03-19-2014, 07:59 PM
Here is another article I got today from Healthy Living. Those of us who eat fiber will find this encouraging. :)

8 Foods That Help Lower Cholesterol

By Arthur Agatston, M.D., Special to Everyday Health

From beans and legumes to red wine and chocolate, food and drink can help you get your cholesterol levels down.

My patients often ask me if there are any foods that can help with reducing high levels of low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol. This is the so-called "bad" cholesterol that can cause artery-clogging plaque to form in your coronary artery walls, increasing your risk of heart attack and stroke. My answer is a qualified "Yes," since high LDL can be the result of many factors, including poor genes, obesity, and lack of exercise. For this reason, not everyone will react to dietary changes the same way, and optimal LDL levels are different for every individual.

Frequently, too much LDL is the result of a diet rich in saturated fats (usually from animal foods such as beef, butter, lard, and whole-milk dairy products) and trans fats (found in processed and fast foods). Eliminating these foods from your diet is a good first step in improving your LDL. Then try adding some or all of the following LDL-lowering foods every day. If you're already on a statin, dietary changes may help you reduce your dosage, but never reduce or stop taking a statin drug (or any other heart drug) without first consulting your doctor.

Beans: Pintos and Garbanzos Stand Out

All types of beans and other legumes — pinto, red, white, navy, black, garbanzos, limas, and lentils, for example — are excellent sources of soluble fiber, which binds to cholesterol-laden bile salts in the small intestine and promotes their excretion along with waste. When this happens, the liver must use more cholesterol to produce more bile salts, therefore lowering the amount of cholesterol in the body available to make LDL. Studies indicate that consumption of as little as 1/2 cup of cooked beans per day can lower LDL cholesterol by an average of 8 percent. Pintos and garbanzo beans seem to have the best effect.

Apples: Fiber and Antioxidant Rich

As with beans, apples are an excellent source of LDL-lowering soluble fiber, primarily pectin. Research also shows that eating an apple a day (or better yet, two) can slow the oxidation of LDL cholesterol thanks to antioxidant polyphenols found primarily in the skin (so don't peel them). Antioxidants are important because when LDL cholesterol interacts with free radicals to become oxidized, it is more likely to promote inflammation and plaque build-up in the arteries.

Nuts and Seeds: Protein Plus

Walnuts, almonds, pistachios, pumpkin seeds, chia seeds, and flaxseeds are all excellent sources of protein, heart-healthy monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats, vitamins, minerals, and fiber. When substituted for saturated fat in the diet, nuts and seeds have been shown to help lower LDL cholesterol (and total cholesterol) without affecting levels of good high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol. Since nuts and seeds are calorie-dense, you'll need to limit your daily intake to about 1 ounce (1/4 cup) and also make sure the nuts aren't salted or coated with sugar.

Oats and Oat Bran: Just a Little Every Day

Oats and oat bran contain beta-glucan, a water-soluble fiber that has been found to help reduce the amount of LDL cholesterol circulating in the blood. Studies show that a daily intake of at least 3 grams of oat beta-glucan may reduce LDL cholesterol levels by 7 percent on average. That's the amount in 1/4 cup of uncooked oat bran (enjoy it as a hot cereal or add it to smoothies and baked goods) or 1½ cups of cooked steel-cut oatmeal. It is also believed that polyphenolic antioxidant compounds found in oat bran, called avenanthramides, can help prevent inflammation and plaque build-up by keeping blood cells from sticking to artery walls.

Green Tea: Loose Leaves Work Better

All varieties of antioxidant-rich tea (white, black, green, oolong) can help lower LDL, but green tea, which is particularly rich in the powerful antioxidant epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG) has shown the best results in lowering LDL levels — by about 2 percent. Unlike other teas, which are made from fermented leaves, green tea leaves are steamed, which prevents the EGCG from being oxidized. While some studies have been done with an intake of 7 or more cups a day, drinking a few cups of green tea daily should help and will keep you from getting too much caffeine. Preparing your green tea with loose tea, rather than tea bags, provides more EGCG.



Red Grapefruit: A 20 Percent Difference

Eating just one red grapefruit daily for a month can help to lower LDL cholesterol by as much as 20 percent, one study showed, most likely due to the liminoids and lycopene found in the pulp. Grapefruit also contains the soluble fiber pectin, which contributes to LDL lowering. Because grapefruit can enhance the effect of certain heart medications, such as statins and calcium channel blockers, if you're on one of these drugs, check with your doctor before eating grapefruit or drinking the juice.

Red Wine: A Toast to Resveratrol

A plant-based chemical known as resveratrol, found in the red grapes used to make red wine, has been shown to lower blood levels of LDL cholesterol. It also appears to protect against coronary artery disease, thanks to its antioxidant and anti-inflammatory properties. Furthermore, a glass of red wine with a meal can help prevent the constriction of blood vessels that can follow a fatty meal and lead to atherosclerosis and heart attack. If you don't drink, don't start now: You can get resveratrol from red, black, and purple grapes outright, and from blueberries, cranberries, and even peanut butter. If you do drink, limit your consumption of red wine to one or two 5-ounce glasses a day.

Plant Sterols and Stanols: Watch Your Portions

Plant sterols and stanols, collectively known as "phytosterols," are substances that are naturally present in small quantities in vegetable oil (corn, soybean), nuts, legumes, whole grains, fruits and vegetables, and even dark chocolate. Studies show that consuming 2 grams of sterols/stanols daily can lower LDL cholesterol levels by an average of 6 percent and perhaps by as much as 14 percent in as little as four weeks. This blocks cholesterol absorption in the small intestine, which in turn helps lower LDL. Because it is difficult to get this amount directly from fresh foods, many products are being fortified with sterols and stanols. These include vegetable oil spreads (choose the light varieties), orange juice, and fat-free milk, among other products. Look at labels carefully, since the calories in many of these products can add up quickly and sidetrack the best of heart-healthy intentions.

pattygirl63
03-19-2014, 09:32 PM
carabelle11, sluggo88 & TamTam :welcome3: Look forward to getting to know y'all.

Lilliann I am so sorry your family don't understand and aren't supportive. People who haven't had weight problems just don't understand. I know you want to get the weight off but please don't go too low on the calories. I talked to my doctor about why they say not to eat less than 1200 calories and he told me that if you go too low that you set yourself up to fail because you won't be satisfied. He said eventually you will get really hungry and end up with a binge. You don't have to eat 1200 calories on days you are not hungry and don't want it, but he suggested not making a habit of it. When I did Richard Simmons years ago, I believe he had a quick start where we ate 1000 calories a day for a week and then moved on to 1200 calories a day. However, after saying all that... YOU DO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU and what you can live with. My doctor told me years ago that was the key to losing weight and keeping it off successfully. And like everyone says WE ARE HERE FOR YOU. So you go right ahead and vent whenever you need too. It is good for you to use us as an outlet to relieve some of the stress you are under. You can do this.

Steelslady I love the experience you had with the Puerto Rican guy. What a compliment that should make you feel like you are riding on a cloud. That is great. Don't you love people thinking you are younger. Had a lady at the beauty shop one day talking about me being a lot younger than her. When I told her that I was 70, she said "God has been good to you". She thought I was 60 or younger. Made me feel so good.

aleka DH has learned to eat a few more things since we married and I am working on adding some new foods once in a while. His Mother told me when he was little that she would cry because she would spend time cooking a nice meal for him and he wouldn't touch it. One can only try. However, I'm learning that there are some fiber foods like some beans which I plan to incorporate into his meals.

Pattience :wave:

This running my DGS around this week is wearing me out. I'm just not used to all of this running around all the time. I may not look 70, but I think I feel like this week. LOL

Today's totals Calories 1468 Fiber 38 g

Steelslady
03-19-2014, 09:56 PM
Ladies....I had enough on my home scale ,up and down cycling...Just had it...I am going to get serious and will go this evening on getting my healthy foods and begin on Thursday a low calories plan. I just planned my menu for it. Thursday I will be 1,000 calories a day...and Not eating foods with my family. They gave me **** this afternoon and after I cooled myself down, I going to plan my own meals..and eat my foods. every single day.

Soon, I will go my food shopping on getting Lettuce,canned red kidney beans, Orignal fiber one cereal and fat free milk. I planned for Thursday and is under 1000 and fiber 64.

I need to do this...I am in pain daily and am all alone on this. My medical doctor wants me do to surgery or diet pills...and now my own family is aganist me and do not understand what a morbid obese person deals with. I am back up at 400s and also, can not do any workouts on this old house, they fear I will make the old ,old weak floors worse. I am in 400s, but struggling like anything. I am diet alone..and do my walking only outdoors..I want to dance and can not even do that..only in the yard...

I had my deep melt down and cried...But I show them I can do this without any diet pills or surgery. I am desprate and also need to be patient with the scale.

Thanks for listening...and allowing me to vent..

I am so so sorry, honey- that is just awful how your family doesn't help and support you. You don't deserve this. Please know that we are here every step of the way, every day. You need to talk or vent, come right here, we'll listen, and if we can, try to help any way we can. While I am lucky that my husband and kids are supportive and loving, I can tell you in my younger years, I had aunts and cousins who constantly, and I do mean constantly, got after me for my weight, and I was just a kid! A couple of years ago, I was one of two nieces that used to visit my aunt in a nursing home, and every time I would visit with my family, she would mention how I was the biggest girl on both sides of the family. My kids and husband kept asking me why I put up with that abuse from her, but honestly, she was one of my favorite aunts, past the weight issues. I knew she loved me and cared, unlike some of the cousins who were unmerciful in their comments, often in front of my parents, who said nothing to stop them.......My mother was always so worried about hurting other people's or causing a rift in the family, so she allowed her own daughter to be subjected to hurt over and over again, for the sake of "peace in the family". Even my sister had her ways of taunting and embarrassing me years back.

Thank God, I have a wonderful husband and great kids. I just don't know now if I could go through that abuse again, it is hurtful and degrading. Yet if you try and defend yourself and point out any of their flaws, you're a selfish person for heaven forbid, trying to stop being a marshmallow and let people walk all over you.

Do you have a basement in your home?I know some people don't if they live in older houses. How about a garage that you could buy an electric heater if it's too cold and exercise in there? That's just lousy that you can't exercise in your own home!

How about mall walking? Do you live near one where you can go daily, just put on your Ipod and have fun without the stress? Earlier mornings are best, it's not busy, and you don't have to deal with a lot of teens and little kids, lol.

I know some gyms have walking tracks in them, but the one closest to me is almost an hour away, so it's not convenient.

Can you do more swimming, Liliann? Get a pair of arm water weights and some ankle weights for the water- you can also use these on land when you are not swimming- that will help tone your legs and burn more calories. I have my swimming ankle weights on now- I wear them all day around the house, it really does help trim the legs up- just don't ever run in them, anyone who's reading this- not good to run with ankle weights, can cause problems with knees and ankles. While doing housework and other things around the house, you forget these are even on.

How about doing dance moves without moving your feet? You just sway your hips, arms, torso, even your legs back (simply bend them) and forth to music, without moving a step. Use a stretchy band or hand held weights or wrist weights while swaying back and forth to music. Also, windmills, waist twists while holding a broom over your head, squats, plies, lots of different arm exercises can be done in your bedroom without any movement, so they don't complain.

Buy some balloons at the store, and have fun bouncing it around, back and forth, while on your bedroom floor, sitting. Know what silly thing I made on time when I missed playing tennis in the winter? I took a tennis ball, pushed a screw driver through it, pulled about a six foot piece of clothes line through it, and tied it to one of my doorways and had fun just batting the ball, back and forth. I am going to do that again soon- silly as it sounds, it really is FUN and you move your hips and body, while standing in place, swinging your arm to hit it. I change arms to get some exercise in the other one- may tie a balloon to a string and hit it with a tennis racket so it don't make any noise in your house. It's also a GREAT a great stress reliever. I also highly recommend getting a punch ball- they sell them in the toy section at Walmart and are very cheap- you can sit in a chair and have fun using it- burns calories and lowers stress levels, trust me, I know. ;)

Also, please don't go too low on calories- for now, try to get in about 1600-1800 a day. Going too low too soon has the opposite effect on your body. As time goes on and you lose a lot of weight, gradually lower them, by fifty at a time, but never ever lower than 1200 a day minimum.

Hang in there, honey, and don't let them get you down. I don't suppose there is any way you could find another place to live and get away from them- I'm sure if you could, you would have by now. I wish I could hug you, so sorry you are living like this. Sending you a hug online all the way from New Hampshire. :hug:

Pattience
03-19-2014, 11:29 PM
Steelslady, you just reminded me of an form of training that athletes do when they have injured themselves and can't run.

They get in the pool and run the length of the pool that way. Of course it takes a long long time to get from one end to the other. But it should give you a fairly good workout.

When we are overweight, we really shouldn't have too much trouble staying afloat because fat is lighter than water. But having arm floaties on could help if one were afraid of the deep water. Or just swim/run along in the lane nearest the edge.

That said, i know a lot of overweight people don't like being seen publicly in a pool. So maybe its worth checking out if there are times the local pool has when there are few people there.

I admit to not liking being seen in public in swimmers when i'm overweight. and that is one reason why i don't go swimming more often. There are other reasons too though, like i hate the whole rigmarole with showering at that time of the day and so on because usually it means i will have to have another one later. But i do love swimming.

I still haven't fixed my gas situation so today i cooked my mexican beans in the microwave. They turned out really well.

Heres the recipe:

I started out with a can of beans called Mexican beans so they are probably already lightly spiced. But others like pinto or borlotti beans would do fine.

finely chop one onion and 2 cloves of garlic. Put in a ceramic bowl with 1 tsp of cumin seeds. (If using powder put it in later). Add 1.5 tsp extra virgin olive oil.
Cook in the microwave until the onions are soft.
Add the rinsed and drained beans and 50g or 1-2tbsp only of tomato paste.
Add the powdered cumin now if you are using and more chilli if you like it.
Cover and return to cook until its all heated through.
Blend with a bamix or some sort of mashing gadget.
DONE.

I ate 1 cup of this mixture with 1/4 cup of natural yoghurt, 3 types of salad vegies, 1tbsp of finely grated hard yellow cheese. My salad vegies today were grated beetroot, 1/2 cup of packed lettuce greens and a big piece of cucumber diced.

Filling, tasty and healthy and balanced and I don't know what the calories are but i am sure its not going to blow any our diets.

Another legume meal i want to make is hummus. NOrmally hummus is high in fat, even though its good fat. Because of that i think a serve should only be 1/2 cup of hummus but eaten with wholemeal pita bread and lots of salad. Next time i go shopping, i will have to buy pita and tahini if i can't find the one on the shelf already.

Steelslady
03-20-2014, 01:14 AM
Steelslady, you just reminded me of an form of training that athletes do when they have injured themselves and can't run.

They get in the pool and run the length of the pool that way. Of course it takes a long long time to get from one end to the other. But it should give you a fairly good workout.

When we are overweight, we really shouldn't have too much trouble staying afloat because fat is lighter than water. But having arm floaties on could help if one were afraid of the deep water. Or just swim/run along in the lane nearest the edge.

That said, i know a lot of overweight people don't like being seen publicly in a pool. So maybe its worth checking out if there are times the local pool has when there are few people there.

I admit to not liking being seen in public in swimmers when i'm overweight. and that is one reason why i don't go swimming more often. There are other reasons too though, like i hate the whole rigmarole with showering at that time of the day and so on because usually it means i will have to have another one later. But i do love swimming.

I still haven't fixed my gas situation so today i cooked my mexican beans in the microwave. They turned out really well.

Heres the recipe:

I started out with a can of beans called Mexican beans so they are probably already lightly spiced. But others like pinto or borlotti beans would do fine.

finely chop one onion and 2 cloves of garlic. Put in a ceramic bowl with 1 tsp of cumin seeds. (If using powder put it in later). Add 1.5 tsp extra virgin olive oil.
Cook in the microwave until the onions are soft.
Add the rinsed and drained beans and 50g or 1-2tbsp only of tomato paste.
Add the powdered cumin now if you are using and more chilli if you like it.
Cover and return to cook until its all heated through.
Blend with a bamix or some sort of mashing gadget.
DONE.

I ate 1 cup of this mixture with 1/4 cup of natural yoghurt, 3 types of salad vegies, 1tbsp of finely grated hard yellow cheese. My salad vegies today were grated beetroot, 1/2 cup of packed lettuce greens and a big piece of cucumber diced.

Filling, tasty and healthy and balanced and I don't know what the calories are but i am sure its not going to blow any our diets.

Another legume meal i want to make is hummus. NOrmally hummus is high in fat, even though its good fat. Because of that i think a serve should only be 1/2 cup of hummus but eaten with wholemeal pita bread and lots of salad. Next time i go shopping, i will have to buy pita and tahini if i can't find the one on the shelf already.

Pattience, I run in the pool- I love it! there are these two women who come the same time every night, and when I am there, we all run around the pool, do laps together around the pool, dog paddle, leg work on the side of the pool (I am not strong enough to pull myself up like they do on the side of the pool with their arms- getting there, though!). I went crazy last night and told them I was doing a triple lutz like the ice skaters- when I was done, we all burst out laughing and continued our heavy work out. Even my sister joined in- wow! She didn't realize she was doing the dog paddle all the way to the other side of the pool, because she was talking to the lady next to her- she's nervous if she can't touch the bottom. She was so proud of herself.

I could care less what others think of me- I pay the same money they do, and dar gone it all, I enjoy my exercise and fun in the pool. Most people that go are in the same boat we are, and really, who cares what others think?

That recipe sounds good- I make that with tortilla chips- now that I have high fiber ones, I'll have to try your suggest with the microwave. You're doing awesome on this plan, keep up the great work!

aleka and Trish- haven't forgotten you ladies, I will get back to you both soon on your posts! You're both doing great, too!

Welcome to the newbies, pull up a chair and chat with us. We love new friends in this thread- the more the merrier! :D

Pattience
03-20-2014, 01:30 AM
YOu have a wonderful infectious energy steels lady. It sounds like nothing would phase you. Alas, not all of us have your self confidence.

I should get a better swimming costume though. Which reminds me if i don't ring up and book my reef trip asap, i will miss out. Last year i won a prize to the reef and it runs out 31st march.

aleka
03-20-2014, 08:02 AM
Lillianne, Since I read your post last night, I've been thinking a lot about you eating 1000 calories. I am glad that Trish addressed it and I thought I'd add my 2-cents. I also think that's too low. I think you might be setting yourself up for a binge. That happened to me when I was on Slim Fast for a month or so. One night after my "sensible meal" I was starving and ate everything I could put my hands on and could not fill myself. Why not start out in a higher calorie range and see how it goes? You can always lower it if you're not losing. But, you know what's best for you, and if you can stick with 1000 cal., then go for it.

When I read what Steelslady mentioned about different ways to exercise, I thought of chair exercises. I'm sure you can find something online. Maybe you can do something like that when you're not exercising outside.

Pattience, Trish, Steelslady, carabelle, slugg, & Tam Tam :wave:

TamTam
03-20-2014, 03:04 PM
Yes ALeka that is the brand! I really like it because it taste like regular pasta, I am not crazy about wheat pasta but this is really good!!

Liliann
03-20-2014, 08:54 PM
:welcome: :wave: Newbies!

Fiber count total...54

I feel so much better eating less calories..All clean eating and strange as it seems, my sciatica pain went away and did not need to take Bayer. I was under my calorie goal..I think am leading a Vegetarian lifestyle here..and feeling wonderful!! :)

Thank you all for your kind comments and support...Enjoy your Friday all.. :)

pattygirl63
03-20-2014, 09:38 PM
Totals today -- 1673 calories 44 fiber. Excited also that sodium was 1782 way less than the 2300 they said we are allowed daily. Don't know if I can do that everyday, but at least I know it can be done. I think I forgot to tell y'all yesterday that my ticker below is finally correct and the bouncing that usually takes place was only in the tenths not lbs this time. I attribute that to my new way of eating. I can honestly say that for the most part this is beginning to really work for me.

Lilliann So glad you are feeling better with your eating. It does help us feel better about ourselves.

Pattience Your bean recipe sounded good. I may have to try that sometime.

Aleka, Steelslady, carabelle, slugg, & Tam Tam :wave:

TamTam
03-20-2014, 10:30 PM
Evening all. Hopefully I can get to the store in the morning. Went to CVS and got Fiber One Cereal so that will be breakfast. Will have Fiber One bar and Kashi snacks and a boil egg and beet salad for lunch tomorrow (no meat on Fridays for Lent) Not sure what will be for supper. Have a blessed evening.

Steelslady
03-21-2014, 12:26 AM
Had two fabulous days in a row- went to the Co Op today with my sister, who loves it there- she treated me today for lunch. We went swimming after lunch both days, and I am so happy that she is enjoying it, too, especially where it will help lower her cholesterol so she doesn't (hopefully) have anymore strokes.

I got another compliment today- you know how my daughter told me last week that I was looking good? Well, one of her best friends stayed over last night. When they drove to school this morning, she said "ok, Mandy, what is your mother doing? Every time I see her, she gets smaller and smaller! Am I imagining it, or has you mother lost a lot of weight?" My daughter told her that I was dieting and exercising, and she said "it shows! I wanted to ask her last night if she was losing weight, but I was afraid of hurting her feelings in case I was wrong, but tell her she's looking awesome!"

This young lady is like another daughter to me, and she is just the sweetest darling. It made my day again- I feel on top of the world!

Sis and I are planning on going to Planet Fitness tomorrow to work out for about 45 minutes, then we're bringing our lunch to the hotel where we swim and eating it there, then in the pool we go. First time in a long time since I've used ankle weights in the pool- honestly, once I got in the pool I hardly noticed they were on. I feel it a little bit now, though- just a teeny tiny bit sore tonight. :rofl:

I am posting both yesterday's and today's menus, sorry I have been incognito the last few days, just been crazy busy, lol, but having lots of fun!

Wednesday's menu-

Breakfast/lunch-

strawberry/blueberry juice from NutriBullet- 4 grams
natural diuretic juice- 3 grams
turkey sandwich with mayo- 12 grams
Kashi Southwest BBQ black bean crisps- 8 grams
Fiber Bar- 12 grams
milk

total for b/l- 39 grams

dinner-

HF English muffin pizzas- 18
bag of Seneca Caramel Apple Chips- 5
okra chips- 6
lotsa water

total for dinner- 29 grams

total for Wednesday- 68 grams

Thursdays menu-

Breakfast/lunch-
lunch at the Co Op- around 4 grams
2 delicious bite sized caramels- oooooooohhhhhh so yummy!!!!
water

Dinner-

one big fat butt hamburger with cheese on a sesame seed bun- 1 gram
Kashi SW BBQ Black Bean chips- 4 grams
fruit and nut bar from the Co Op- at least 3 grams
water, water, water, lol

total for dinner- 8 grams

total for the day- 12 grams- way way under. I just didn't have much of an appetite today, had one plate at the Co Op, no salad because I just wasn't very hungry- the protein filled me right up. Got home from swimming, had a huge burger with cheese and the black bean chips, and I was stuffed- hard to believe, after working out for over two and half hours that I wouldn't be starving, but I wasn't. Just finished the fruit bar just now. I am definitely done for the day, can't eat anymore. ;)

Have a great day, everyone! Fabulous Fiber Friday is here! :carrot:

Steelslady
03-21-2014, 12:41 AM
Totals today -- 1673 calories 44 fiber. Excited also that sodium was 1782 way less than the 2300 they said we are allowed daily. Don't know if I can do that everyday, but at least I know it can be done. I think I forgot to tell y'all yesterday that my ticker below is finally correct and the bouncing that usually takes place was only in the tenths not lbs this time. I attribute that to my new way of eating. I can honestly say that for the most part this is beginning to really work for me.

Lilliann So glad you are feeling better with your eating. It does help us feel better about ourselves.

Pattience Your bean recipe sounded good. I may have to try that sometime.

Aleka, Steelslady, carabelle, slugg, & Tam Tam :wave:

Awesome job, Trish! That is wonderful that you fine tuned your plan and it is working for you. Keep up the great work, it is so worth it!

I am watching my sodium like a hawk, too. I feel so much better since I cut out a lot of high sodium foods and foods with empty calories. Yet, I enjoy everything that I eat, and the food is plentiful on this plan- I am never hungry between meals. It just feels so good to not be hungry or deprived all the time, like other diets left me.

Have a great day!

Pattience
03-21-2014, 12:43 AM
Steeleslady in the past i've often noticed how one doesn't feel particularly hungry after exercise.

Lilian great you are being quite vegetarian. You still need to eat some protein though. Even if you are going to eat less, its best to keep the proteins fats and carbs and vegies all in proportion. But for kickstarting a healthier eating program what you are doing may be good for a short time.

I bought a pair of swimmers today. They cover my tummy. And they are bright yellow. I am going to the reef next week so have to get uncovered. I am just so pleased i didn't buy black ones. black is boring in swimwear for me.

Breakfast this morning:

1 wholegrain toast (good carbs)
3 sardines (good fats and protein)
1tbsp onion (vegies)
1 chopped tomato (vegies)

1/4 cup yoghurt (carbs, protein, calcium)
1tsp sunflower seeds (numerous minerals and vitamins in the good fats and proteins).

Lunch not so balanced but i've been running around and it has been spread out all over the place.

2 bananas
1 wholegrain toast no butter
2 salad refined flour biscuits
piece of aged cheddar cheese

I'm going to have a high calorie dinner tonight:
a big piece of atlantic salmon baked in the oven in foil. (omega 3 fatty acids)
roast vegies - potato, pumpkin, onion, tomato
olive oil
more yoghurt and fruit - oh i bought rhubarb today. I can have some of that. I haven't eaten rhubarb for ages. I'll have to use sugar when cooking it. Otherwise its not edible.

Steelslady
03-21-2014, 01:07 AM
Evening all. Hopefully I can get to the store in the morning. Went to CVS and got Fiber One Cereal so that will be breakfast. Will have Fiber One bar and Kashi snacks and a boil egg and beet salad for lunch tomorrow (no meat on Fridays for Lent) Not sure what will be for supper. Have a blessed evening.

TamTam, are you just starting out on high fiber? If so, please start out slowly until your body gets used to all the fiber you'll be taking in. Otherwise, you'll end up with an upset tummy, gas, and be bloated. Remember to drink lots and lots of water on this plan. It is so worth it, but I just want to make sure you don't end up suffering starting out. If you've already been doing high fiber, then disregard this message, lol. :D

Sounds like you're out to a great start! I look forward to hearing your progress- good luck!

TamTam
03-21-2014, 11:09 AM
TamTam, are you just starting out on high fiber? If so, please start out slowly until your body gets used to all the fiber you'll be taking in. Otherwise, you'll end up with an upset tummy, gas, and be bloated. Remember to drink lots and lots of water on this plan. It is so worth it, but I just want to make sure you don't end up suffering starting out. If you've already been doing high fiber, then disregard this message, lol. :D

Sounds like you're out to a great start! I look forward to hearing your progress- good luck!

Thank you so much for the advice. I've been trying to gradually up my Fiber intake. SOme days it is up and some days it's down, but I am trying to incorporate it into my diet plan. Have a blessed day all.

pattygirl63
03-21-2014, 11:47 AM
A quick one here today. Got my food plan set up on MFP and I am happy that my numbers will end great today. Calories 1224, Fiber 35 and Sodium 2219.

Weight and fbs was up a tad, but we ate Mall Chinese food yesterday and while I only ate a few bites of the rice and didn't add soy sauce and MFP didn't show a high sodium intake, I think I may have gotten some or it may have had the MSG they claim they don't use any more. However, I did look around to see and there was no sign saying they did.

BBL

aleka
03-21-2014, 12:06 PM
Lillianne, That's fantastic that you found something you enjoy and are feeling better about yourself. I am truly happy for you.:high:

Pattience, glad you found a pair of swimmers. What are swimmers? Your menu sounds good.

Steelslady, what a great compliment your daughter's friend gave you another great NSV victory for you. Where is the co-op you mention? Is it in downtown Concord? The reason I ask, is the lunches you describe sound really good.

Tam Tam. incorporating fiber into your diet is what I'm trying to do to. Yesterday I think I had too much because I felt bloated most of the day.

Pattygirl, it looks like you have a good handle on your eating. Keep up the good work!

carabelle & slugg:wave:

DH & I walked in the mall this morning. We managed 3 days this week. Hopefully next week we'll get 5 days in. We like to take the weekends off.

Hope everyone has a great Fri.

TamTam
03-21-2014, 02:27 PM
[QUOTE=aleka;4967882

Tam Tam. incorporating fiber into your diet is what I'm trying to do to. Yesterday I think I had too much because I felt bloated most of the day.


.[/QUOTE]

Yep been there done that! I do not like the "regular" Fiber One,or if you want the original one just that by itself so I purchased another type of Fiber One and will mix half and half and will distribute the portions during the day as breakfast and snacks, I cannot do it today or tomorrow as I am by myself at the shop and if I get busy and half to stop eating I sure do not want to come back to soggy cereal! Have a blessed day all.

Steelslady
03-22-2014, 01:04 AM
Friday's menu-

breakfast/lunch-

3 HF pancakes 21 grams
banana 2.6
syrup
peanut butter 4
3 strips low sodium bacon
water, water, water!!!!!!!!!! glug glug glug

total for b/l- 27.6 grams

dinner-

tuna club sandwich- 3 slices HF bread, tuna with celery and low cal mayo, lettuce, 1 roma tomato- 18 grams
sweet potato oven fries with safflower oil and garlic powder, skin on-
9.7 grams
chug a lug a lug a lug, drank a half gallon jug of H2O

total for dinner- 27.7

total for the day- 55.3

Pattience
03-22-2014, 01:49 AM
ALEKA
[QUOTE=aleka;4967882

Pattience, glad you found a pair of swimmers. What are swimmers? Your menu sounds good.

.[/QUOTE]

I know its a sad thing but at 3.35pm you gave me my first laugh of the day. Swimmers are probably bathers in America. Its not a word i use. And its not a bikini, though it is a two-piece.

PATTYGIRL
I am sure there was still plenty of salt in one form or another in your chinese. All the sources they tip into a recipe will be high sodium because salt is a preservative. I shouldn't worry too much. It will flush out tomorrow. Its only if you are eating high sodium all the time that i would worry about it. Basically all takeaways and asian is high sodium and most processed foods also. Canned foods, packets of food etc unless it says salt reduced or no salt. It makes a very noticeable difference to the food. Its one reason why i try to eat mostly natural foods that haven't been processed. I mean even bread has salt, butter has salt, cheese has lots of salt. I would rather eat cheese than a packet of chips though because its more nutritious and i need some tasty things in my diet.

I've reduced my calories today. This morning i got to a new low weight at 70.2kg or 154 pounds. My new calories are 1400. Before i was eating 1600 or thereabouts. So it goes to show you don't have to restrict a lot to lose weight. You do have to revise from time to time though.

I think it was about three weeks since my last low weight but i was not too bothered about it because i needed to get my stress levels under control. So i just tried to keep on eating at the same calories level for that time and i watched the scales go up and down a lot. They went up to over 72 kgs and mostly over 71. (1kg = 2.2 pounds).

IN the last few days i've been eating even more legumes as you probably all know because i've been talking about it a lot. This may have reduced my cals a little bit but i wasn't really counting. It certainly felt still like a lot of food. I think having the protein at each meal is good too. Meanwhile my diet is full of fibre.

Well my diet is going well but my sewing is slow. I have done a little bit but i am not as motivated as i was and its a struggle. Hence why i'm on here so much.

TamTam
03-22-2014, 11:24 AM
Working today as I do every Saturday. Weighed in this morning, lost .25 not much, but I will take it and at least it is not a gain. Weather permitting we should be able to walk Monday, could not this morning because it was raining. Have a blessed day.

pattygirl63
03-22-2014, 06:27 PM
Totals today - Calories 1412, Fiber 26 g

Fiber is a little low as I usually shoot for 30 to 35 g of fiber, but my sodium is way too high today so can't shoot for that much. Today I'm thankful for my fluid pill and loads of water drinking. Tomorrow is another day.

Pattience
03-23-2014, 04:06 AM
Today i tried something new for lunch. I love raw peanuts but they are high in fat even they though they are good for protein and fibre.

So instead of the usual beans i put in 1/4 cup peanuts. I didn't put any oil in or cheese or walnuts. And i forwent butter on my toast at breakfast. Peanuts are very easy to overeat but i am pleased that i kept the quantity down and now its almost dinner time and i'm just having a glass of wine so my lunch did its job.

However, i thought as it wasn't quite as delicious as my usual leguminous salads, i'm going to try having peanuts with fruit salad instead.

I think i would do it like this:
1/4 peanuts
2-3 pieces of fruit
1/4 -1/2 cup natural yoghurt.

maybe i will do it tomorrow if i can remember. I think it would be yummy. But still filling and nutritious.

I am quite tired of my pea soup. I don't want to eat any for dinner. But i do need more beans or some sort of protein for dinner without all the extra fat. Its quite hard being inclined towards vegetarian sometimes. Not so hard if you are not on a diet no doubt or really love cooking curries because the indians really know how to cook all the legumes and things and they are yummy and i can cook them but not quickly without messing it up.

So its either going to be mexican beans with salad and yoghurt or spaghetti and cheese and salad. or maybe ah oh yes. I am going to have a vegetable pastie from the freezer. And with it some pumpkin or other vegies and salad vegies. So glad i thought of that. I don't rate the fibre value so much but its a change for me.

Steelslady
03-23-2014, 11:47 AM
Saturday's menu-

Breakfast-

orange/pineapple juice made in NutriBullet- 4 grams
ham and cheese omelet
2 pieces of HF toast with butter and 2 tpbl Polaner grape jelly-18

total for breakfast- 22 grams

lunch/dinner-
salad- 1 grams
chicken Cacciatore with HF pasta and parmesan cheese- 5 grams
broccoli- 6.6
green beans- 2 grams

total for lunch/dinner- 18.6 grams

snack-

Seneca Caramel Apple Chips- 5 grams

total for snack- 5 grams

total for the day- 45.6 grams

pattygirl63
03-23-2014, 08:14 PM
Calories 1482 Fiber 32 g and sodium under 2000.
Did really good for the weekend.:carrot:

Steelslady
03-24-2014, 10:41 AM
Sunday's menu-

Breakfast/lunch-

Orange/Pineapple juice from the NutriBullet- 5.4 grams
Tuna salad on HF bread with celery, lettuce, light mayo- 12
Beanitos chips- 8

total for breakfast/lunch- 25.4

Dinner-

Iced tea made with mixed berry juice in the NutriBullet- 6 grams
Taco Pasta Salad with HF pasta- 10 grams
2 hot dogs with buns and lots of mustard- 2 grams
high fiber bar- 10 grams
Good and Plenty licorice candy,1/4 serving

total for dinner- 28 grams

total for the day- 53.4

Steelslady
03-24-2014, 11:05 AM
Good morning, everyone! I hope you all had a great weekend. I had a busy one, which left not much time to play on the internet. Just enough to post the menus, and then back on the road again. :lol:

Aleka- the Co Op is on South Main Street in Concord- you keep driving to the end of North Main Street (it ends at the lights where Pleasant Street is- just keep driving straight from North Main St to South Main Street- it's on the right hand side, I believe it is the second building on the right (when you get to the lights at Pleasant Street- keep going straight, it's two or three buildings down on the right side).

They have a parking lot with a parking attendant who's very nice and assists folks if needed to find parking. Just be ready to browse in there for awhile- we usually eat first, then look around- great place! They change their menus daily- for instance in the salad bar, they change around their lettuces, fruits, and some veggies. Even the olive bar changes around- one time they had both golden (yummy!) and red beets, another time, they have a chick pea salad. Their hot bar changes everyday- so good.

Been there three times now, and I have yet to be disappointed in anything they have served. They also have an all natural deli area with sandwiches already made- all natural, no chemicals added like the grocery stores. They also have a bakery- I loved their fruit and nut bar, got youngest daughter a gluten free chocolate chip cookie and hubby and two older kids Toll House cookies- so good! Oh, and stay away from the caramels- those are addicting! :rofl:

Trish- so proud of you- you are doing awesome! I've been watching my sodium more than ever. It has been an eye opener for sure, I thought I was eating a decent low sodium diet until I started keeping track of it- yikes! I'm doing well, though, and pretty much stay under the daily value, but some days, I am a little over, but I am working on lowering it every day. It really bothers my feet the most- I can feel the fluid in there, no matter how much sodium I take in, it collects there and I can't get rid of it. ggggrrrr. I don't know how much more I can cut down, unless I make my own bread products at home (I might be buying a bread maker anyway pretty soon). The bread products aren't too bad so long as I don't have too much sodium with it in the deli meat or tuna fish- supposedly, there is a no sodium tuna fish out there, I need to find it. Also, I do order low sodium deli meats and cheeses now. I used to get low fat brands- now I realize that was a mistake- better off with a couple of grams of fat and cut out the salt.

Pattience- so funny about your swimmers- that's awesome! You live near a reef? Jealous! I would love to go and explore one right about now- this winter has been way too long, time for some warm weather! You're on a vegetarian diet? I give you credit- much as I love my fruits and veggies, I could not last long on a vegetarian diet- I tried it for almost 6 weeks a couple of years ago- I lost two pounds in the beginning, then started gaining a pound or so a week. I was never full on it, and trust me, I ate a lot of legumes and beans.

TamTam- how is the diet working for you? Let us know how you're doing!

Liliann- where have you been young lady? Hopefully happily busy and content with your diet. ;) Check in with us!

pattygirl63
03-24-2014, 04:52 PM
I'm always thinking in the back of my mind that I need to do lower carb. I woke up this morning fully planning to start the 2 week Atkins Induction as it pushes my numbers to normal really quick and then I got on the scales and I changed my mind. By keeping my calories under 1670 (MFP recommended) and my sodium under 2300 most days now and getting a minimum of 25 g of fiber, I was rewarded with a new low of 226.8 that I have not seen in years. I track everything on MFP because they have more foods already clocked on their site, but I noticed when reading on Livestrong that if I could keep my calories under 1500 calories, supposedly I could lose 2 lbs a week. Don't know that is true, but I am willing to try. So my new calorie goal is 1500.

Steelslady Do you take any fluid pills? I take a very mild one as I told my doc that I had heard bad things about Lasix. I think it is too harsh/strong. I also drink ACV water each day along with my water. I really think it helps.

Steelslady I tried being a vegetarian too. I think that is how I got sick recently. I must have done something wrong because my resistance low and I took a virus. At first I lost a few lbs and then I started gaining. I had been to the doctor for blood work the day I got sick and his nurse called telling me that my blood count was down and the doc wanted tests run to see if I was bleeding somewhere. Nothing showed up so it decided that I probably didn't have enough iron in my diet. I was totally wiped out until I started eating protein again and got it back up.

Pattience I think it is great that you can be a vegetarian. I have a nephew who is vegan and his wife and sister are vegetarians and when his wife cooks, it really is good. I tried being a vegetarian because my niece got her diabetes under control becoming a vegetarian. I guess I'm not creative enough to be a vegetarian. I like things I can cook in less than 30 minutes preferably 15. I'm sure there are veggie/vegan meals that can be prepared that fast, but I finally realized that I couldn't do it all the time because I would miss my meat. I know it was probably doing something wrong when I tried it. However, I won't try it again. Although I eat a lot of chicken and eggs, I am a person who just has to have my steak and fish to eat and I also have to admit that I don't like most soy products.

Aleka, Lilliann, Tam Tam and others reading :wave:

Steelslady
03-24-2014, 05:59 PM
Trish- way to go on your recent weight loss! :cp: :congrat: You have to feel so good about yourself today. Keep up the great work!

I take triameterene for fluid retention. It does help, but I still have to elevate my feet at night for 20-30 minutes and watch my sodium. From what I understand, you are supposed to follow a low sodium diet in order for it to work properly. I'm still tweaking my diet to lower it. I've been making juices in the morning and a decaf iced tea with a berry juice mixed in- so good, and the energy I have is just amazing since I've started drinking these all natural juices. I got to tell you, though- we're so used to the high sugar in the juices on the market, we forget what a real all natural juice tastes like. It took a couple of days to get used to them, but now I love them and look forward to drinking them.

Also, the NutriBullet gives you two blades- one for juicing, one for milling. I didn't know it came with a miller blade- that is awesome! I make my daughter gluten free products and try to grind rice up in my Dunkin Donut's coffee grinder, but it doesn't do the job that this blade does- wow! I am going to buy a jar of no salt peanuts and make my own peanut butter- mmm mmmmmmmmmmm. I used to have a peanut butter grinder years ago, unfortunately it broke, and I missed it- best peanut butter ever! I can't wait to get the unsalted peanuts and spread it on my English muffins and toast with the Polaner spread. :cbg:

Pattience
03-24-2014, 08:00 PM
Even before I read Patty's message, i was going to share this recipe i made yesterday. Its SUPER delicious. And its a fair sized portion but don't be tempted to increase the peanut content because there's already a lot of fat in this recipe. I have rediscovered just how good celery is in salad of late. I am really happy to make this discovery.

Yesterday's lunch
Peanut salad - about 486calories. and 15grams of fibre.
1/4 cup raw peanuts
1 tsp mixed seeds or any seeds (leave these out if not to hand) My seeds were sesame, flax, sunflower. Though high in fats, they are also high in fibre, protein and various minerals that our diets need. Also high in omega 3 fatty acids. So although its taken me a while to include them in my diet, I feel good about them being part of it now.And one tends not to binge on seeds. But you still have to be judicious with them.
1 red apple diced
1/2 cup grapes (if handy)
1 stick celery
1 chunk of cucumber
1/2 cup lettuce leaves
few grapes
1 tsp balsamic vinegar (if you guys haven't tried this vinegar yet, you must have a go its really nice.
1 tsp olive oil
1 small piece fetta cheese, smaller than usual. One day i must weigh this but i my kitchen scales aren't sensitive enough.

For those who don't like olive oil, you can't taste the actual flavour of the olive oil when you use so little in a strong flavoured recipe like this. Its mainly if you use something else that you would notice between the recipes.

Patty, i eat fish and other seafood sometimes and also occasionally a little bit of meat. I like meat too. But i have only been able to continue doing it because i am a moral vegetarian, or try to be. I think it is quite a bit harder if you are doing it only for diet reasons.

If you want to be more vegetarian, its worth just maybe deliberately eating less meat and having the odd vegetarian meal instead.

From a dietary perspective, i think the main advantage of being vegetarian is that it seems like it would be easier to eat more vegetables and fruits and get more nutrition from non meat sources but actually there are many overweight vegetarians and i myself have no trouble getting fat on it. Cooking nutritious food takes effort whether or not you are a meat eater and sometimes i just do not want to make the effort. That's when i get fat. I just stop eating vegetables and eat a lot of sweets of all kinds.

Breakfast yesterday was:
a little bit of cheddar cheese on 2 wholegrain toast. 1/4 avocado instead of butter. (My dad bought me three at the markets the other day for a good price, on my request of course so now i have to find opportunities to eat them.

Bf today was 1 fried e.g. on wholegrain toast and 1/2 cup rhubarb with 1/2 cup natural yoghurt.

I'm really loving my breakfasts of late. I used to eat mainly cereal and milk out of laziness. The need for protein has brought on this change.

Dinner last night was:
1/2 cup mexican beans
and lots of salad vegies with 1/2 cup of natural yoghurt, about 20g grated parmesan cheese.
a banana

I also had glass of wine and of course i drink milk in my coffee.
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Pattience
03-24-2014, 08:18 PM
Steels, and all of you ladies are doing pretty darn well.

Its great you are keeping an eye on the sodium as well. Its not really a huge issue for me. When i'm eating healthy, my salt intake is pretty low. When i am in binge mode, its going to be through the roof for sure. One of the biggest offenders is chocolate. One of our brands is so salty i can actually taste it. I can taste salt in ice-cream too a lot of the time.

I wouldn't be in a rush to lose 2pounds a week on average. You will be more hungry. I did a diet once that was 2 pounds a week. I found it hard i must say. It was a healthy balanced diet too.

Trying to lower my intake right now from 1600 to 1400 is not so easy either. It means i have to start cutting back on certain foods that are making my food interesting. This is why i know that Lilian can't survive on her 1000 cals a day idea for very long. I know that's what they do on the diets like IP but they suffer for it too and if they weren't paying so much money for that diet, i am sure the dropout number would be really high. There are probably still many dropouts but we don't see them on a forum. People tend not to announce it when they give up. They just disappear. Luckily sometimes they come back when they're ready for another go.

Yesterday i got a nice compliment form someone at work. I can't remember what i said oh yes, she was offering me a chocolate and i always have an alarmist type of reaction when someone offers me sweets (i can't help it). I go like its a hand granade - get that thing away from me. lol. I can't help it. Anyway i actually said, oh no i'm on a diet. And T said what for you look great. I think people forget how bad i looked a few months ago. I guess they think i can stop now. Actually if i stopped here for a while, i'd be fine but because i live in the tropics, i have to get most of of my clothes off a lot and then i don't feel so great exposing all my wobbly bits.

In fact, as we are coming in to winter now, maybe i should try to just hang in around 67kgs for a while anyway something to deal with a little further on i guess. I think having now figured out how to wear clothes that suit me (after a lifetime of bad dressing) i look ok now at at higher weight.

pattygirl63
03-24-2014, 08:30 PM
Totals for today Calories 1283 Fiber 33 Sodium 2,158 :)

pattygirl63
03-24-2014, 09:30 PM
SteelsLady I have a MagicBullet and have thought about making my own peanut butter. At least I would know what is in it and could without sodium. Do you add any oil? If so what kind? When the NutriBullet came out, I went to their website and got some recipes that were pretty good. Of course, you probably have them with your NutriBullet. The 2 bullets look so much a like that I just use the MagicBullet. I found if I added a little bit of apple to the smoothies, it gives the smoothie a nice sweet taste without added sugar or sweeteners. Our local famer's market opens in may and it will be nice to go by fresh and hopefully healthier fruits and veggies. I notice that I too have to eat less sodium while taking the fluid pill and I go to sleep with a pillow under my legs and remove it when I wake up to go potty. I am finding it easier to get the sodium down. I eat a really good breakfast and lunch and then adjust the calories, fiber and sodium for dinner and snacks. Sometimes like tonight, the double fiber bread and Polaner come in handy to balance things out. Plus tonight I wanted something sweet and it satisfied that as well.

Pattience Until I read your post, I had forgotten that years ago I had an oriental diet doctor once who told us patience to eat at least one meatless meal a day. It was hard for me to do that back then, but I actually believe I could do that most days now. In fact, I could probably do 1 meal and a snack. I also remembered my nephews wife telling me about a friend of theirs who saw how they ate and decided to be a vegetarian so he could eat some of the foods that he liked. Sometime later he told her, "I'm gaining weight eating this way". She laughed and told him "You can still gain weight eating vegetarian".

After my earlier posts, I was so exhausted, but I needed to ride my recumbent bike. I folded some clothes trying to decided that I needed to do it, but I wanted to take a nap. Well, I am so proud of myself tonight because I decide to ride it and did 4.5 miles in 40 minutes. I was so tempted to go 5 miles/45 minutes, but I have to build up to it because of my knees. I believe may be my goal next week that I just might be able to do 45 minutes. I was talking to my oldest son, who has become my cheerleader, Saturday when I rode 4 miles. I wasn't sure I could do the 4 miles, but he told me I could. Then when I did he said, "Mama, I am so proud of you and you should be proud of yourself too. Do you realize that there aren't many people your age who can do that". Sure made me feel so good.

Have a good night and I'll catch y'all tomorrow.

Liliann
03-24-2014, 09:40 PM
Hello all...Checking in...I am not counting calories or fiber or much of anything..1st. This weekend, caught a very bad stomach virues that not only me, but my working sis, and disabled sis with MS. Saturday that we all gotten the virues. Me and my working sis feels 50% better, not not out of the woods yet. My mom had it on Thursday and she is fine..BUT my disabled sis gotten bad and we had to call the ER to take her to the hospital today...what a hetic day..and stressfull.

The only fiber am using is the sugar free jam w fiber on my 35 calorie toast...but will now can not have the jam..am on a bland diet..and light, fulids and crackers am eating now..till my tummy feels well.

I have not weighed myself in 2 days and won't plan on it till week is gone on saturday.

Trish...You are doing good.and hoping you stable on your sugar.

Steelslady...OOOh la la..Nutri bullet... I love mine and looking forward till the warmer days on making my smoothies. Have fun with your NB!!My favorite smoothis so far is frozen bananas,peanut butter...the energy booster!!

Pattience...I could have done 1000 calories with the right proper foods choices .It can be done. I had done one day and felt good...till I gotten the stomach flu ..I have the OK from my medical doctor on 1,000 plan...she said for morbid obese people are allowed to do it..but only for a short time..I might get back on it when am feeling better.

Ladies keep up the good work...I will check in when I can...Thinking of all of ya!!:hug: Have a good week....

Pattience
03-25-2014, 01:41 AM
Its great to see you here Lilian. Sorry you have been unwell and all your family of course. I hope everyone recovers soon.

Yes "only for a short time" being key to 1000 cals per day.

Well done Trish/patty ha ha i only just noticed that you are TRISH!, Well done on your bike kms. I mean miles. Bike can hurt your knees if the gearing is too tight so don't let be to hoard to cycle. And the longer you do it, make it easier. I do a lot of cycling at times and the times that give all of us sore knees is when we have to do a lot of hills before we are really fit enough. Hills, high gearing, unfitness, all means knees are weaker and more prone to injury so be careful. Don't over do it.

Anyway i've just made another delicious salad that you girls might want to try sometime.

First off i had a piece of toast with 1/4 avocado, a sprinkle of diced onion and a few crumbs of fetta and black pepper. I don't have any tomatoes but i'd normally put a half a tomato on that as well if i had it.

But my salad is my own version of tabouleh. AGain beucase i do not have tomatoes or parsley but yesterday i bought some burghal wheat with the idea of making tabouleh.

Today i made this happy experiment.
First you soak the burghal one hour in a little water as per the packet.
Then 1/4 cup of soaked burghal wheat = 1 serve so that's what i used.
1 red delicious apple diced
1 stick celery,
1 few bit of lettuce leaf diced
1 decent chunk of cucumber diced fine
1 little diced onion
juice of half a lime. (balsamic vinegar would do if limes or lemons are not available.)
and finally i added 1tsp of mixed sees but the walnut halves would be fine too.
oh and black pepper
no need to add any salt to this.

No need i'm sure to mention how high in fibre this is. And i really love the added sweetness that apple gives to a salad.
Not much protein in today's lunch, a little but not much. But lots of vitamins and minerals. All of which makes our minds and bodies function better. I do love eating healthy food i gotta admit it. But why must it be so hard when we are eating sugar. I think its just cause sugar tastes so amazing. Have you ever seen the effect it has on tribal people when they taste it for the first time. Is it any wonder that we are such addicts.

Steelslady
03-25-2014, 12:11 PM
Good morning, all! Finally, a sunny day here with not too many clouds in the sky- yahoo! Now, if only that snow would go away.........

Anyhow, I saw my two porch swings outside (as I was rocking in my cushy rocking recliner chair getting ready for my Bruins game)- I love them and use them every night for at least an hour, sometimes two, in the nicer weather. It got me to wondering about possible extra calories burned while rocking back and forth on the porch swing and rocking chairs, and I decided to check it out just for fun, how many calories it burns per hour (150- I believe that is for a 120 pound woman).

I always knew my thighs and calves toned up while rocking back and forth, but never knew it helped your ankles and balance, too. Imagine that, something fun and relaxing burning easy calories off! :D

Anyhow, read this article which explains more:

http://www.amoils.com/health-blog/10-robust-reasons-to-rock-that-chair/

Another great weight loss tool that can help with figuring out how many calories you need per day to lose weight-

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/ As you lose weight, plug it in so you can adjust your calories, for those counting calories. ;)

Yes, I know, I'm a wealth of useless information. :lol3: You're welcome! :DHave a great day, all!

sluggo88
03-25-2014, 12:51 PM
Ok I'm really considering doing this. What has ya'lls experience been as far as losing weight based on a fiber counting way of eating? I eat quite a bit of fiber but thinking if I go low calorie and high fiber maybe I can lose some weight. For anyone looking for a high fiber pasta, I buy FiberGourmet as it has half the calories of reg pasta hardly any fat and like 21 grams of fiber per serving

Pattience
03-25-2014, 04:06 PM
Hi Sluggo, a key tip from me is don't try to reduce your calories too much. You will just end up hungry.

High fibre is good because it makes you feel full for longer. And fibre in foods is bulking e.g. vegetables are bigger for the same amount of calories as most other foods. So physically you are eating more but it has fewer calories.

Read the article on fibre on nutrition wonderland website. Go into main issues and understanding our bodies to find it. This will clarify some things and give you more insight into why and how fibre is good.

if you start off with a lot of fibre it may take a moment for your digestive system to adjust so bear that in mind if you tummy starts having a strange life of its own. Keep your liquids up - i.e. water. I mean vegetables have plenty of water anyway but insoluble fibre doesn't and benefits from more water.

If i wasn't eating high fibre on my diet, i would be up the creek. Ideally you should still manage your calorie intake but you don't need to restrict it severely, you just need to reduce it from what you normally eat. Fibre foods make this easier because they are so bulking.

Tell me, when you cook a pasta dish, what does your recipe look like. I'm interested to know because so many people demonise pasta and i just can't understand why. Its never been a problem for me.

Includes vegetables at every meal. Try to eat 2.5 cups of fresh vegetables (excluding potatoes) every day, ideally 5 different types and 2 pieces of fruit.

sluggo88
03-25-2014, 04:57 PM
Honestly I don't make any pasta dishes I just cook the FiberGourmet and put a little low fat parmesean cheese on it

pattygirl63
03-25-2014, 09:26 PM
Lillian Sorry you :hug: and your family are sick. Sure hope you are feeling better soon. Do check in when you can.

Pattience I forgot to comment on the 1000 calories. I believe that I have learned that if I eat too few calories that my body grabs every thing I eat and says "Oh, she's on a diet again, I better hold on to all this food", because sometimes my weight will go up instead of down. Then when I eat more calories, I will be surprised with a loss. Our bodies seem to know what is going on and definitely seems to know what it needs. Your salads look good and I will probably try some of them when spring hits. I got tired of salads for a while, but seem to be getting hungry for them again lately. They you used to be my favorite food. However, winter hit and homemade soups became the norm for me.

SteelsLady Thanks for the info article on the rocking chair. I sent the site to my sister who can't exercise much because of her arthritis. It made me want to bring my front porch rocker into the living room. I may put it on my enclosed back porch so I can sit and rock when I talk on the phone and when I read. How wonderful that would be to get more exercise just sitting and rocking. Who would have thought something so relaxing had so many benefits.

Sluggo88 Thanks for the heads up on the pasta. I am always looking for one with more fiber.

I did the 4.5 miles on the bike today and thought, "I think I can go 5." Curiosity got the best of me and I just had to see if I could do 5 miles in 45 minutes and guess what? I did it. I was tired and took a nap after, but I was excited that I did make it and I was amazed to see that my hip that I injured years ago and aches most of the time, stopped hurting. When I used to do Walk Away the Pounds, my hip would hurt for a while, but eventually there came a time that it didn't hurt any more. Evidently 45 minutes on the bike stops the pain in my hip. Tomorrow will be a break from the bike, but we will go to Charlotte to Costco and probably between going to Costco and Walmart, I'll get close to an hour of walking. I do the 45 minutes on the bike again on Thursday and Friday or Saturday. Another benefit of the 45 minutes is that I sleep at night like a baby.

My totals are 1553 Calories, 1928 Sodium and 41 Fiber. This is going great.

Pattience
03-26-2014, 06:59 AM
Trish, good job with the exercise.

Sluggo, thanks for clarifying. I suppose you mean its a packet recipe. We don't have that here. i never really know what people mean by half the foods they mention because we have different ones in Australia. I tend to assume that foods i don't know must be out of a packet though.

What i do for pasta is spaghetti - its really my favourite by a along shot. I like a fairly thin spaghetti. I don't buy fibre pasta because i get plenty of pasta from everything else. - Anyway i used to do other things but my lazy way now is to buy a jar of pasta sauce, only ever the tomato sauce varieties. I would never buy a white one. If i am really lazy i will just use 1/2 cup of tomato and toss the cooked spaghetti in it at the end. But usually i prefer to sauté or steam some vegies first and then add that into the toss with the sauce and cooked spaghetti. I usually but not always add about 1 tbsp of finely grated parmesan cheese. I always use ground black pepper and if i was need oil, olive oil is my oil of choice.

Mushrooms are a good vegie downs this way. I can sauté them in 1tsp of oil. Or i might add broccoli or zucchini. It makes the whole meal go further for very few extra calories but plenty of good extra nutrition.

Today i was in the city for lunch and dinner. I enjoyed a vietnamese meal of chick with rice noodles and 1/2 cop of salad. and later in the afternoon, i had a korean thing which had alfalfa sprouts a raw egg and fish eggs and rice. Very tasty. I was famished by 5pm so i had dinner there, did one more job and then drove home. i've had a glass of wine but don't feel the need of any more dinner. I'm tired though and hope to go to bed early.

Liliann
03-26-2014, 05:26 PM
Hi Folks... :wave: Just wanted to say I stop tracking fiber and now fasting method. Its more simple for me. I won't post on this thread and wishing everyone on here good luck with fiber counting. Take Care..

Pattience
03-26-2014, 05:38 PM
Thanks for letting us know. How long are you going to do that for Lilian? Will you go from fasting method to something else at a set point in time?

Steelslady
03-26-2014, 08:35 PM
Hi Folks... :wave: Just wanted to say I stop tracking fiber and now fasting method. Its more simple for me. I won't post on this thread and wishing everyone on here good luck with fiber counting. Take Care..

Best of luck to you, Liliann- wishing you success! :hug: I hope you and your family are feeling better, too. So sorry you all got sick with that nasty flu bug- I hope your sister is feeling better now.

pattygirl63
03-26-2014, 09:35 PM
Lillian Sorry to see you leave. Hope you find the way of eating that works for you. Good luck. Hope you and your family are feeling better.

Today's totals 1592 calories, 2762 sodium (over limit because ate out at Long John Silvers. Ate only 1 fillet, 3 shrimp, 1/4th of the fries shouldn't have eaten any of the fries as they made me sick and ate 1/2 the cole slaw. Fiber is 30 g. Tummy is still a litle upset from eating out. I tell you it is getting to where eating out isn't much of a pleasure to me any more. One it all has way too much sodium and something in it always makes me sick. Of course, so many places use vegetable oil, I think, and I use healthier fats when I cook. So I may not be able to eat food cooked in the oil they use. After all these hours, I can still taste it.

Steelslady
03-26-2014, 10:11 PM
I had a busy day with my darling son- we went grocery shopping, then to the Co Op for lunch, then we both got haircuts. Boy is it ever windy out- poor kid had a hard time keeping his car from going in the other lane- other drivers were struggling as well. I've never seen people drive so slowly up here- even in North Easters, they've gone faster. Crazy weather, ugh!

I had a very high fiber day- the Co Op had basically vegetarian options mostly today. Had some delicious tofu for protein and lots and lots of veggies and a fruit and nut bar (flour less).

Pattience- I thought of you when I was buying some unsalted peanuts to make my peanut butter- there was some unsalted sunflower seeds in a jar, and in your honor, I picked them up today. :D I made some peanut butter in the NutriBullet- I filled it up to the max line with unsalted peanuts, added one teaspoon of safflower oil (I forgot my list at home today and forgot to pick up peanut oil, ggrrrrrrrrrrrrr)- it tastes amazing, just like I remember it. You can really taste the peanut flavor without the salt added to it. Next time, I just might toss in some sunflower seeds- my daughter was telling me about the sunflower butter they have at the daycare she works at- they use it instead of peanut butter due to allergies for some kids. She said it tastes great- one of these days, I'll try making it and see how it tastes.

Trish- that is awesome how long you rode the recumbent bike yesterday- good for you, and way to go!!!!! Keep it up, the longer you do it, the easier it becomes. I love my recumbent bike- I usually play music on my tablet loaded with videos from You Tube of my favorite rock bands, while playing Pet Sage or some game. Time passes so fast when I am doing something else while peddling. I did something funny yesterday- decided to pumps my arms like I was running while peddling- got some cardio done doing that, lol.

I'm glad you liked that article on the rocking chairs and porch swings. I remember noticing in previous summers how strong my calves and thighs got, just from sitting out for a couple of hours at night. I wish I could use them all year long, unfortunately, summer's way too short. Looking forward to using them again this year, especially after this long winter!

I noticed your ticker went down a little bit more- woohoo!!!!!!!! :carrot: You are doing marvelous!

TamTam- how are you doing? Anything we can help you with? I hope you are doing well!

sluggo- thanks so much for the FiberGourmet tip- going to order some on Friday or whenever they re-stock their spaghetti. They don't sell it up here unfortunately, so I will have to order online. I'm going to buy the bulk packages, if you order over $35.00 worth of products, they have free shipping. Saw some crackers and a couple of other things I want to try along with the pastas- so glad you shared this with us!

aleka- how are you doing my NH friend? I thought of you today when I accidentally found the YMCA with my son. :rofl: We went down the wrong street and found it- never knew it was that close. Do you go there? My hubby and his family used to go to the Y in their town, but we've never managed to buy a membership there- too expensive for us. I should check out their membership and see what they offer. I have a Planet Fitness account, but unfortunately, never use it. I miss going to PF, but I had signed up with my best friend and daughter in their town in Massachusetts and use it when I am there but only once up here with my hubby- doesn't it figure I got very sick with pneumonia a few days later and didn't recover for over three months. I'm a wee bit paranoid to go back, even though I know it had nothing to do with PF. Kinda sad, isn't it?

Anyhow, I am taking a break from cardio workouts today. I might do some trim and tone gentle exercises in a few minutes, but I've been going for over 10 days now either working hard in the pool for over two hours or riding the recumbent bike for two hours a day. My body needs a rest. :D

Have a great night, all! Have a fabulous high fiber Thursday!

Steelslady
03-26-2014, 10:47 PM
Lillian Sorry to see you leave. Hope you find the way of eating that works for you. Good luck. Hope you and your family are feeling better.

Today's totals 1592 calories, 2762 sodium (over limit because ate out at Long John Silvers. Ate only 1 fillet, 3 shrimp, 1/4th of the fries shouldn't have eaten any of the fries as they made me sick and ate 1/2 the cole slaw. Fiber is 30 g. Tummy is still a litle upset from eating out. I tell you it is getting to where eating out isn't much of a pleasure to me any more. One it all has way too much sodium and something in it always makes me sick. Of course, so many places use vegetable oil, I think, and I use healthier fats when I cook. So I may not be able to eat food cooked in the oil they use. After all these hours, I can still taste it.

That's why I only eat at three restaurants now. I refuse to eat at the others anymore. My body cannot tolerate those gross, greasy, MSG and sodium infested meals anymore. They are a poison to me! Any time I ate at those other restaurants, I would come home exhausted, achy in my joints, and so bloated, I would gain 3-5 pounds, even when I chose the healthier options and didn't have dessert!

Do you have a Co Op near you? Why not look online for an all natural cafe/store near you, and give it a try?

My son loved the tuna fish wrap he got today, along with their fried rice- so funny, he added salt to his, because he said it needed it. I told him, buddy, listen to me- that's the way it is supposed to taste- your taste buds are so used to salt and sugar from the other restaurants, they don't know what real food tastes like.

He wanted to go to a Chinese buffet today, I told him, no way, no how, but I would take him out to eat at the Co Op. He really enjoyed it, he got a homemade all natural whoopie pie for dessert while I got the fruit and nut bar (flour less) and he enjoyed his lunch thoroughly. When he eats too much sodium, like me, his skin gets red like a sun burn and he bloats up. I don't cook with salt at home, never have, but it is some sauces and the restaurants that he eats out with friends at are loaded with it. I am gently trying to convince him to lower his sodium intake. He has been doing well, but being a young kid, it's hard to resist those yummy wings at his favorite restaurant.

Seriously, though- if I were you, I would look into some natural food cafes. They're really not that expensive, and I will tell you one reason why- because the food is natural and homemade without all the garbage added to it- you actually eat less of it and feel FULLER! That was something I have noticed the four times I have gone to the Co Op this past month- I am full, the food is excellent, and I don't feel bloated and exhausted.

I just hope you don't have a gain tomorrow from the sodium- the high fiber seems to be working for you, I'd hate to see it discourage you if you gain a couple of pounds back from the sodium. Flush it out with lots of water tomorrow, if you do gain from it. ;)

Pattience
03-26-2014, 11:13 PM
Trish, over here in Australia vegetable oils are not deemed a problem. Are you sure they are a problem there. Its the trans fats that are the problem. Couldn't you ask the kitchen when you go out if they use it/ask for an alternative type of cooking oil. Peanut oil should be good.

I was always under the impression that transfast were mainly used when food was deep fried. Oh yeah the chips would probably be done that way.

I think but may be corrected but transfats are in solid form. If its in liquid form, it wouldn't be transfat.

Steelslady, good on your for making your own PB. Here one of the problems is also added sugar. Lots of sugar and salt and added oil in the PB. I mean i quite like PB but for me its too high fat anyway. The more fat i eat the less "food" i can eat because i'm monitoring calories too.

My lentil salad today

1 cup brown lentils, rinsed
1 stick celery
chunk cucumber
1/2 cup lettuce leaves
1/4 avocado
6 hazelnuts (any nuts fine, except brazil or macadamia because they are so very high in fat. so you need to reduce quantity)
balsamic vinegar to taste
black pepper

pattygirl63
03-27-2014, 07:48 PM
Well, the good thing about being sick when I got home is that this morning my scales were down. I even lost the 2 lbs I had gained plus a little more so I'm down to 226.2 lbs. I did the 5 lbs again and it took me 46 minutes instead of 45. It feels good to have it all done. Technically I'm actually done with my planned exercises for the week. However, I want to start doing Tai Chi, I've heard once a week is all you need to do of it. So I thought I would start it tomorrow. My son used to do it and tells me it will really do wonders. My doctor like the idea when I told him I wanted to do it. My son said that at this point in my exercising is a good time to start doing it.

My totals for today are 1775 Calories, 2103 mg sodium and 41 g fiber.

Pattience I think you are the one who talked about cooking split pea soup. And then I saw it made in The Flat Belly Diet book. So made it today. I just put different veggies that I wanted to put in it and made it. I ate half of it for lunch today and will have the other half tomorrow. Also bought some avocados at Costco yesterday and had 1/4 of one with my eggs this morning. I actually ended up eating on meatless meal today at lunch and I have to say I really enjoyed it and it has been good for my tummy too. :)

SteelsLady It is hard to find unsalted peanuts here, but I will have to look for it and try my hand at making my own. Did you use peanut oil? I wonder how it would taste with some other oil like coconut or olive oil.

Aleka & Sluggo :wave:

Pattience
03-27-2014, 07:54 PM
Its really nice to get that feedback Trish.

The irony is that today my tummy is uncomfortable. I think its the red wine i drank last night because it started feeling bad towards the end of my glass last night. I think its because i've been drinking red wine more than usual lately and on an empty stomach. Perhaps i should either go back to white and start drinking my wine with food. And reduce a bit from one glass to half a glass perhaps. It would be good to take my calories out from there.

I'd be reluctant to put other oils in the peanut butter myself for fear of ruining the flavour. I think peanut oil is nothing to be afraid of. Its a good oil. Its only when oils are solid that they are bad (transfats). And of course if you each too much of them.

aleka
03-28-2014, 08:25 AM
It's been awhile since I've posted. Last week I ate a lot of bread, more than I usually eat, along with the high fiber jam, plus other high fiber foods and by Sat. I had an issue with my tummy. Once it passed I decided to cut back on bread and I feel better. For the past week I've been thinking about whether or not to continue with high fiber. I've decided to continue and get my fiber from legumes & veggies.

Trish, you mentioned the Full Plate Diet book. I have that book and will dig it out to look at the recipes. They also have a facebook page...or they used to anyway...and they have recipes there too. You are doing well.

Pattience, peanut oil is a good oil to use and also coconut oil. I've read that vegetable oil has more Omega 6 that can cause inflammation, at least the vegetable oil here does, or so I've read. Personally, I don't use vegetable oil or corn oil.

Lillianne, I'm sorry you and your family were sick. I hope all of you are feeling better now. I'm happy for you that you've found a plan that suits you. Good luck.

Steelslady, No, we don't go to the Y. I wanted to check it out to see if they had water aerobics or Tai Chi. But, DH wanted to walk the mall instead. Glad you found it...even if it was by accident. As a matter of fact that's how we found it. :rofl: Thank you for letting me know about the Co-op. I plan on going soon.

Sluggo :wave:

pattygirl63
03-28-2014, 05:52 PM
Aleka Interesting that you mention the high fiber bread is hurting your stomach because I am having the same issue with high fiber. I've been thinking about cutting back some on the fiber and try getting more of it from fruits and veggies with some legumes. However, the Flat Belly Diet book says that if you up the fiber too fast that it does cause stomach problems. I got the fiber up over or around 40 g yesterday and I had indigestion during the night and today we went out to eat and I was a little nauseous and was afraid to even eat. I did eat, but have been sick at my tummy ever since. I just may have to go back to my low carb eating. At least my stomach was okay then.

I think I'm going to cut back on the fiber for a few days and see how my stomach does. I'll decide by Monday what I am going to do.

Y'all have a nice weekend.

Steelslady
03-28-2014, 09:10 PM
So sorry to hear ladies that you are having stomach issues. I know it took me about two months to get to where I am eating in high fiber- 60-70 grams a day. Every week, I increased it by 3-4 grams per week, and making sure I drank lots of water to help clean it out without problems. If you increase it too fast, stomach discomfort is very common.

I would just eat fruits, veggies, legumes, juices from the NutriBullet, and some Polaner preserves in yogurt for now, and then try one 1/2 of an English muffin/ 1/2 of a high fiber bar, or one piece of toast the next week. Slowly building up should prevent issues with your stomach, so long as again, you're drinking plenty of water to help flush it out. Also, could you ladies be having a problem with wheat products in general? The pastas and breads are mostly wheat, and some folks can't tolerate too much of it. My youngest daughter is gluten free- let me tell you, it's really fun cooking and pasta dishes/salads in my house, between her gluten free pasta, my high fiber pasta, and the rest of the family's regular pasta. :rofl: Perhaps it is the wheat that is causing you ladies problems.

Whatever you ladies decide to do, I wish you all the best. I'll miss everyone in this thread, but I can understand if you need to switch diets around because this one makes you uncomfortable. Best of luck with your weight loss! :)

Pattience
03-28-2014, 10:43 PM
I do recommend everyone reads the fibre article on nutrition wonderland website. Its very information.

Yes 40grams of fibre is more than needed and you are right you should increase somewhat gradually.

My issue might be due to fibre but i think its mainly due to my slow bowel which i can't do much about. But i've been to the loo this morning. Actually TMI coming up. I have just realised that leading up to TOM slows everything down even more. But other people might be so affected. Again its my medication that causes that slowness.

The soluble fibre holds the water so it doesn't need so much extra water, same with vegetables. Its mainly the fibre in bread that needs more water.

Anyway the good thing about yesterday for me was because i wasn't feeling hungry with my tummy pain, i ate a lot less and my weight is down today, though i had a headache during the night and might have been a bit dehydrated too. So this morning i had a little salt. I'm feeling good now.

pattygirl63
03-29-2014, 06:08 PM
I'm not giving up on the fiber. I know the importance of eating it. I am babying my tummy right now so my fiber is low today, but calories and sodium is good. 1487 calories, 1451 mg sodium and fiber 12 g. I will try to keep my fiber around 15 g or so and then work at building the fiber back up slowly once my stomach is feeling better. Until then I will focus on keeping my calories and sodium down. My plan will be to gradually up my fiber grams to between 25 & 30 grams. Hoping that I can do that.

I edited to add this that I wrote on diabetic thread. I had forgotten this.

When I was in my late 20, I had colitis. I haven't suffered with it in so many years that I had forgotten about it. Today, I remembered that the doctor I had back then told me that I had to be careful eating a lot of roughage/fiber because I could not eat a lot of it because it caused my colon to go into spasms. I took medicine for it for years. I'm not going to have it again so I will be careful and eat it in moderation.

I looked up indigestion on MedMd and it suggests eating small meals about every 2 hours. I never wanted to do that, but I think I will try doing it. In fact, I think Intuitive Eating principles will help with that as it says to eat about every 2 hours and eat only as much as needed to satisfy without feeling stuffed.

I'll still here sharing what I learn as I do this if that is fine with everyone.

Steelslady
03-29-2014, 11:42 PM
I'm not giving up on the fiber. I know the importance of eating it. I am babying my tummy right now so my fiber is low today, but calories and sodium is good. 1487 calories, 1451 mg sodium and fiber 12 g. I will try to keep my fiber around 15 g or so and then work at building the fiber back up slowly once my stomach is feeling better. Until then I will focus on keeping my calories and sodium down. My plan will be to gradually up my fiber grams to between 25 & 30 grams. Hoping that I can do that.

I edited to add this that I wrote on diabetic thread. I had forgotten this.

When I was in my late 20, I had colitis. I haven't suffered with it in so many years that I had forgotten about it. Today, I remembered that the doctor I had back then told me that I had to be careful eating a lot of roughage/fiber because I could not eat a lot of it because it caused my colon to go into spasms. I took medicine for it for years. I'm not going to have it again so I will be careful and eat it in moderation.

I looked up indigestion on MedMd and it suggests eating small meals about every 2 hours. I never wanted to do that, but I think I will try doing it. In fact, I think Intuitive Eating principles will help with that as it says to eat about every 2 hours and eat only as much as needed to satisfy without feeling stuffed.

I'll still here sharing what I learn as I do this if that is fine with everyone.

25-30 grams of fiber is excellent, Trish! That's still high fiber.

Boy, I think we are soul twins in some ways. :rofl: Both my sister and I had spastic colitis in my 20's and she was in her 30's- we had to go on a broth and jello diet for a few days, eat only canned veggies- no frozen or fresh or any roughage, and I was told to avoid any grains for at least two months- wheat, oats, barley, even rice- all were no-no's until we got back on track. I think ours was stress induced, to be honest- our mother was a very demanding and possessive mother, very hard to please, and we were both very stressed out a lot dealing with her. The doctor told both my sister and I that if we didn't both calm down stress wise and take better care of ourselves, we would end up with colon cancer- that was a scary eye opener! So, I don't blame you for being worried and nervous. If you don't feel comfortable, don't do it. right now, I would cut out high fiber wheat products- just get your fiber from fruits, veggies, legumes, and the Polaner all fruit spreads. Also, stay away from any seeds and nuts for a few days, re try them another time when you are feeling better and see if you can tolerate them. I hope you feel better soon, Trish! :hug:

I don't care if you don't stick to high fiber- please do continue to post in this thread- I'd miss you very much! I really love talking to you and all the other gals in here, you all make my day and have helped me stay motivated. :)

By the way, way to go on your exercise! You are doing fabulous! :carrot:

pattygirl63
03-30-2014, 10:25 PM
Totals today - 1652 Calories, 2829 mg sodium and 20 g fiber

Tomorrow I'm starting Atkins Induction to get things back to normal. I checked the freezer and have quite a bit of fish and chicken to get me through at least a week. Hopefully my tummy will be much better by then and I can then work on building up the fiber/carbs slowly building up to at least the minimum of 25 g of fiber.

SteelsLady I would miss you girls too. So I would love to stay with this great group. Thanks for the invite and encouragement. So I will continue to check in and share and learn from y'all.

Pattience
03-31-2014, 03:15 AM
Patty,

Indigestion is not usually a problem of the bowel. I think its a problem of the stomach and reflux, isn't it? But the advice about eating smaller meals more often is probably good if you are eating very large meals. You wouldn't be eating very large meals on 1600 calories per day.

Your idea about going slowly with the fibre is probably more on the button. My father had an operation recently and his bowel is smaller where he had the operation so he had to keep his fibre intake low at the beginning and now he occasionally gets a problem if he eats certain things, like grape skins which may not digest so easily as other fibre foods.

Pattience
03-31-2014, 03:23 AM
Its funny since my episode with my tummy i am a bit less hungry. This morning i just had 1/4 cup of peanuts for breakfast. I was hungry by 11.30 though.

I have noticed i'm spending less money on food since i'm on this diet. That's a good thing.

I don't know what i'm having for dinner tonight.

btw did you ladies read my post about a novel about obesity. It might be of some interest. I posted it in general chatter.

pattygirl63
03-31-2014, 11:02 AM
I was asked to post what I eat on another thread so I thought I would share it here as well. I am happy that while I'm doing Atkins Induction this week that I ended up with a little more fiber than I thought I would. So I think this will work well to get me back on track.

Pattience Thanks for sharing about your dad. That is helpful. No I don't think my problem is with the bowels. I'm sure it is acid reflux. I'm pretty sure it was caused by a combination of a few things. I was in Overeater's Anonymous for years and we learned 3 meals and that was it no in between eating. It was so stressed to me and when I think back to when I was doing that, I had GERD all the time. So I'm sure it was eating too much food at one time. I've heard that breaking your eating up into smaller meals is so much better. So I will see.

Don't know if I will do a 2 week Atkins Induction or just one. So many benefits eating lower carb, but I honestly believe that this will teach me how to eat better carbs. I bought some quinoa and can't wait to try it. I've heard so many good things about it.

Food Plan for today.
Breakfast - 2 sl bacon, 2 eggs, 1 sl American cheese & 1/2 avocado

Lunch - 6 chicken wings and 1/2 c broccoli

Dinner - 4 oz whiting fillet and 1/2 c asparagus

Snack #1 - 2 sl Hickory smoked turkey 1 sl reduced fat swiss cheese

Snack #2 - egg salad made with mayo and dill relish and mayo

This comes to 1281 calories, 16 g carbs, 2536 mg sodium and 9 g fiber

I won't be doing the 5 miles on my bike while doing AI because Atkins recommends not exercising while on Induction. However, I will decided to do the 3.5 miles 3x a week because I don't want to lose ground and I don't want my hip to start hurting again. Also the sodium is a little high, but according to the new Atkins book when doing low carb especially during Induction, we need the salt to prevent the leg cramps. So for now I'm not going to worry about it because I sure hate waking up in the middle of the night with those leg cramps.

Pattience
03-31-2014, 06:17 PM
Hi Patty, Sorry Trish, I forget.

Thanks for sharing all the detail.

Its true that you need to be aware of your salt intake when you are eating whole foods but you don't need to eat MORE salt than is healthy. But for a week or two it probably doesn't matter unless you have high blood pressure or some other health issue.

And its true you need salt in order to keep the fluids up otherwise you would just pee it all out. I've experienced those night cramps but in quite different circumstances and i figured out it was due to dehydration caused by low salt. But quite late in the peace.

I'm not a fan of the low carb approach. Just saying...

pattygirl63
03-31-2014, 07:49 PM
Pattience I too learned that if I drink water before I go to bed and being diabetic, I also drink a little during the night so that I don't have leg cramps any more.

I probably will only do the really low low car for a week. That is why I said I would decide later. There are benefits to low carb that I do like. So I will build up and keep them moderately low. I want to use Atkins to learn how many carbs I can handle and still lose weight. My calories are rather low today, but I'm not worried as I still have room to go to get to the 1600 calories as I add carbs/fiber in the weeks to come.

SouthernMaven
04-01-2014, 01:54 PM
Hi Ladies!

I just wanted to say that I have been lurking in this thread almost since it started, as I have known for quite some time that I needed to up my fiber intake.

As some of you know, I practice intuitive eating exclusively, but you have provided me some great information about how to add fiber to my diet. I love English muffins but hadn't had any in quite some time, so I found some of the higher fiber ones and have been having one most days. I generally only have a little butter on it but my husband and I were just at the grocery store and I picked up a jar of Polaner All Fruit Blackberry spread. Looking forward to trying that tomorrow on my English muffin!

This is probably TMI, but I have suffered from chronic constipation over the last few years. Just adding some of this extra fiber to my diet has really helped. My goal is not weight loss but rather peace with food. However, I can tell I've lost a little weight, not only from IE but also because I've become more regular.

In my dieting past I have tried low-carb and I think one of the reasons I was so terribly unsuccessful with it was the horrible constipation I experienced. For someone who has problems already, it was untenable for me. But it's nice to hear that upping your fiber can result in weight loss. I see why; it fills you up, resulting in overall less food intake. I eat more vegetables than I do fruit, but I've never eaten as much of either as I should have. I'm a bread freak, so substituting a high-fiber English muffin for other bread products is easy for me to do.

Hope you don't mind if I continue to lurk. I like the information I'm getting here!

pattygirl63
04-01-2014, 06:54 PM
SouthernMaven Hello there I remember you from the IE thread. I haven't been there in a while, however, I just may be back over there in the near future.

I had a terrible time with my stomach last night. Fiber is in a lot more foods that I eat than I thought. I researched Indigestion which led me to heartburn and GERD. However, I don't think I really have either. I think 1) I went too fast with the fiber and 2) when I went to Atkins and 6 smaller meals, I made myself eat to get the calories in and I overloaded my tummy. Everything read said to eat fiber to ease digestive problems. Then I saw an interesting article on Prevention.com about how Atkins lowers the risk of heart disease and read a review on Atkins way of eating.

I have both the old and new Atkins books and I am reading The New Atkins for a New You book again. Haven't gotten very far because I am mostly relaxing and taking it easy today giving my tummy time to heal.

Steelslady I thought of you when I read in the new book that Atkins is really eating high protein and higher fiber low carb veggies. I think I remember you saying that you eat high protein/high fiber.

I had such a problem yesterday with just getting my calories about 1000 that I overate and I know that is why I suffered so. It was 4 am before I was eased enough to lie down in bed to sleep. So you can imagine how I was pleased to see in the new book that while they recommend 4 or 5 small meals, they also allow you to eat less often. They have a few rules that sound more like Intuitive Eating because they suggest eating only when you are hungry and to eat as much as it takes to satisfy you and the biggie for is they recommend that you not go more than 5 or 6 hrs without eating something. This is good for me because when I did IE (my favorite way of eating) there were days that I could eat as soon as I got up and maybe eat up to 5 or 6 meals, however, there were a lot of days that I just didn't get hungry and might only eat a couple of meals. It will be nice to be on a plan that allows me to go longer without food when I'm not hungry. I know I've discussed this with my doctor and he agrees that I should not eat if I'm not hungry. Most diets don't allow me this option. So I really believe when my tummy is better that I'm going to really enjoy doing this. I'll still get the fiber I need. One nice thing about working the Atkins plan is that I will learn my low carb fiber limit that my body can handle and I still lose weight.

Fiber is only around 8 to 12 g a day right now, but that is only for a few weeks and then I will begin raising it a little at a time. I'll do it right this time. Oh, my fasting blood sugar was 121 mg this morning. The lowest it has been in about 6 or 7 yrs.

Thanks for being here chickies.

pattygirl63
04-01-2014, 06:59 PM
Hi Patty, Sorry Trish, I forget.

Thanks for sharing all the detail.

Its true that you need to be aware of your salt intake when you are eating whole foods but you don't need to eat MORE salt than is healthy. But for a week or two it probably doesn't matter unless you have high blood pressure or some other health issue.

And its true you need salt in order to keep the fluids up otherwise you would just pee it all out. I've experienced those night cramps but in quite different circumstances and i figured out it was due to dehydration caused by low salt. But quite late in the peace.

I'm not a fan of the low carb approach. Just saying...

Patty or Trish is fine. I answer to both. When your name is Patricia, you answer to many different nicknames. It is true we need a certain amount of salt. Atkins recommends it when low carbing because low carb is a naural diuretic. However, they also recommend drinking plenty of water as well to keep electrolytes at a healthy level and to avoid dehydration. One nice thing about this is that I won't have to take any diuretics any more. I take them at my request not as a recommendation from my doc. He is really good at working with me.

Pattience
04-01-2014, 10:12 PM
Ah about the name, i won't worry anymore. lol. You have so many choices.

Where is everyone?

I stayed up too late last night. Its thrown our my meals somewhat. Though i expect they will fall back into place soon enough. I"m having breakfast now at 12.12pm.

Steelslady
04-01-2014, 11:14 PM
Pattience- I read that article you posted the other day- very interesting! However, she's from a different country than ours, and I am not so sure if her country adds the crap to their meat that ours does. In the chicken breasts over here, they add up to 15% broth- why?!?!?! As if people on low sodium diets needed more added to what should be a natural food?

They add red dyes, hormones, and antibiotics, and the animals are mostly grain fed. Let us not forget, that the grains they eat probably have pesticides in it, too. Also, did you know that meat over here, the grain fed kind, is not only NOT gluten free, but it's also not CARB free, either, because of the grains they eat. Unless you buy the very expensive organic meat straight from the farm, I have news for some folks- it is not gluten free nor carb free. Sad, isn't it?

I live in the country, thank goodness, and can get fresh eggs all year long- what a difference in the yolk- the color, thickness, and taste! The store brands, which we try to avoid using, isn't as dark in color, nor does it even taste close to what a farm raised egg tastes like. Huge difference!

When I visited Canada several times with my family, the first few times, I refused to buy any steak or red meat products- it looked nasty to me. Well, I told my husband this the last time we were there, and he said to me "it's because they don't add any red dye to it, that's why it is brown in color". So, I gave in, bought a roast as well as some stewing beef, and cooked it- it was FABULOUS! So tender, moist, and guess what? We didn't eat half as much as what we usually do here! Is it because it was filling with real meat and not the fat that we get here, along with the red dyes and God knows what else?

I visited my friend's daughter on the last night we were there- she had made pork chops, boneless, on the grill. More like medallions than chops, they were so thin. I kept thinking to myself- I'll probably eat about ten of these, they're so small. Guess what? I ate only two, and was FULL.

Her mother (my friend), made us a delicious roasted chicken dinner. When we got to her house, we were outside, and our stomachs were literally grumbling, because it smelled ssssssssssssooooooooooo delicious! I can remember as a kid, being able to smell meat cooking from our house or the neighbors from INSIDE their homes while playing outside- I can't remember when the last it was I actually smelled anyone's chicken dinner or roast beef cooking until I went to my friend's house that night. Her husband works on a farm, and they got the chicken from that farm- it was so tender, moist, and what a flavor it had! It was absolutely delicious! Since we came back here, only one other time did we smell that smell again, it was when an organic roasting chicken went on sale, and I bought it, from a farm not too farm from us. what a difference in flavor and smell!

Also- while we were out in Ontario, we visited a park that was gorgeous, with lots to do for fun and exercise. Just beautiful. Yet, while I was swimming, I was embarrassed to get out of the water. Why? Because I was the only heavy person there! They have winters like we do, so I can't even blame the cold weather for not getting more outdoor exercising. Yet, these people were thin and trim, and very active. I am active, but so bloated looking. I truly think some of the food we eat is extremely toxic over here. It shows when you walk down the street and most of the people have a weight problem. How did we get so big over here?

One other place had trim and healthy looking people- California. People can say what they want about that state- but they are much much more healthier than we are on the East Coast. My best friend and I had to go to Santa Barbara four years ago when her sister passed away. We were both obese- talk about feeling like a fish out of water- it was embarrassing! Yet, the people were so nice and friendly. Funny thing, her and I rode bikes, walked, and hiked alot- neither one of us are lazy, she's lost a lot of weight the last couple of years and look fabulous, while I sit here waiting for this weight to come off, lol. I think I need to stop eating health food- she ate an unhealthy diet but watched her calories, my sister and other thin friends all eat junk food and crap and hardly exercise, meanwhile, I eat healthy food and exercise two to three hours per day six days per week, and look..........bloated, lol! Just kidding, though- no way, do I want to eat like that.

Oh, and out in California in Santa Barbara, I had the best tasting oranges, lemons, limes, grapefruit, and avocados- the citrus fruits were right off their trees in their back yards- so juicy and sweet- the orange juice was literally dribbling off of our chins! We loved the fresh squeezed lemonade we made from the lemons. By the time we get any citrus fruit out here, it is so dried up compared to theirs out there. We took a suitcase home full of all of those fruits, and I was broken hearted when we ate the last of them. So delicious- those people have them falling of their trees in their backyards, I am so jealous! We can't grow any citrus fruits here, or I would have several trees now in my backyard.

So I did enjoy that article very much, and it made a lot of sense, not thinking about food all the time. Still, if we had food like we did back in the 60's and 70's, minus all the preservatives, MSG, broth, red dyes, hormones, antibiotics, and pesticides, I am just willing to bet that most of us would maybe be slightly heavier due to all the processed foods and fast food places, but we wouldn't be nearly these sizes we are now, thanks to all the added crap in our food. Makes a big difference, if you ask me. Thanks for the good read, though- I enjoyed it!


Forgot to add- the same thing happened in Mexico as it did in Canada. I have news for everyone- they made the first version of NutriBullet, lol. Seriously, we went there over ten years ago, and stayed at an all inclusive resort. Every morning, you could have any fruit juice you wanted- all fresh and natural, and as much as you wanted. While I didn't notice the color of their meats as they cooked it (hey, I was taking a break from cooking for a week, lol!), it was tender and tasty, and again, filling! We all lost a few pounds coming back from that vacation, too- how can that be, eating all of the food that we did all day and night? We exercised like all families do on vacation- swimming, hiking, walking, etc, but it's no different than from over here when we do those things. Still, both the vacations to Canada and Mexico left us feeling wonderful and we all lost weight. Go figure?

Pattience
04-02-2014, 12:07 AM
Steel which article are you referring to. I can't remember any apart from the things on nutrition wonderland and i haven't found it either. Do you mean the one about the novel by Lionel Shriver. She's American but now lives in Britain i think.

All meat is carb free and therefore its gluten free, unless its had flour added to it. Meat is pure protein except for the marbling which is fat.

Anyway now that i've finished your post, i can see what you have to do. Its a wonder you didn't say it. You have to move! And i don't mean exercise lol. I mean to California or Ontario or wherever the food is more nutritious.

Steelslady
04-02-2014, 12:28 AM
Steelslady I thought of you when I read in the new book that Atkins is really eating high protein and higher fiber low carb veggies. I think I remember you saying that you eat high protein/high fiber.

I had such a problem yesterday with just getting my calories about 1000 that I overate and I know that is why I suffered so. It was 4 am before I was eased enough to lie down in bed to sleep. So you can imagine how I was pleased to see in the new book that while they recommend 4 or 5 small meals, they also allow you to eat less often. They have a few rules that sound more like Intuitive Eating because they suggest eating only when you are hungry and to eat as much as it takes to satisfy you and the biggie for is they recommend that you not go more than 5 or 6 hrs without eating something. This is good for me because when I did IE (my favorite way of eating) there were days that I could eat as soon as I got up and maybe eat up to 5 or 6 meals, however, there were a lot of days that I just didn't get hungry and might only eat a couple of meals. It will be nice to be on a plan that allows me to go longer without food when I'm not hungry. I know I've discussed this with my doctor and he agrees that I should not eat if I'm not hungry. Most diets don't allow me this option. So I really believe when my tummy is better that I'm going to really enjoy doing this. I'll still get the fiber I need. One nice thing about working the Atkins plan is that I will learn my low carb fiber limit that my body can handle and I still lose weight.

Fiber is only around 8 to 12 g a day right now, but that is only for a few weeks and then I will begin raising it a little at a time. I'll do it right this time. Oh, my fasting blood sugar was 121 mg this morning. The lowest it has been in about 6 or 7 yrs.

Thanks for being here chickies.

Yes, indeed, I definitely eat a high protein/high fiber diet. Keeps me full and satisfied, eating this way. While the weight isn't falling off of me in leaps and bounds, it is coming off. I have so much more energy and my stamina is just amazing. I work out anywhere between two to three hours a day, six days a week now, and I feel fabulous! What a difference this change in my eating has made for me!

I am so happy about your sugars coming down- way to go!!!!! You must have been on cloud nine! Funny, I knew there was something I wanted to tell you before about resistant starches, but I couldn't remember what it was until I saw diamondgeog's thread in the Low Carb board about the guy eating carbs on a low carb diet. Here is the thread, it might help you out when you start eating carbs again, especially juices, to balance out the sugars: http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/carb-counters/294362-why-low-carb-guy-adding-lot-carbs-resistant-starch.html

I used to use Bob's Red Mill Natural Potato Starch, Unmodified, in my sauces and juices mixtures and anything sweet. My sugars were beautiful back then, and honestly, I only added it because I heard it helped cut down on hunger- I was not aware at the time that it may be beneficial for diabetics or people with low blood sugar. It is tasteless, so no worries about it altering the taste of any food you mix it with. I started using it when my daughter had to start eating gluten free, and we did notice that foods made with it made us feel fuller longer, a stunning find we didn't expect- it took us awhile to figure out why we got fuller on sauces and such that we used to eat much more of before. :rofl:

I looked it up just for the heck of it, and there were some articles about resistant starches and the benefits it has on lowering appetite and allegedly, blood sugar. Read the article in that thread- might be something you may want to try when you decide to go a bit higher in carbs. I think I am going to pick up another bag of it and use it again. I stopped using it because I found a cornstarch that my daughter could eat that was gluten free and it made the sauces thicker for me than the potato starch, hence why I stopped using it. I also had a lot going on back then when I stopped using it (mother-in-law died a slow death from gall bladder/liver cancer, I had to have emergency gall bladder surgery or I would have died in two days- both my mother-in-law and I had suffered the exact same symptoms- scary!!!!! Also, my youngest daughter's cancer problems/surgery, my oldest daughter's sinus surgery- all within an 8 month time frame, with several other things besides that going on, like my son getting in a bad accident the day before my youngest daughter's surgery! I have no clue as to how I survived all that, as a mother!)

So, perhaps tomorrow, I shall pick up a bag and add it to my orange/banana/pineapple juice in the morning. Maybe mix it up with the PB2 that I love to eat on my English muffins with the Polaner fruit preserves. I do notice that when I eat the Polaner, I seem to get hungry sooner than if I don't, as well as the fruit juices make me hungry as well sooner. Not too bad, but enough that I have to have a good amount of protein with the juice or fruit preserves, or I will be snacking within a few hours, lol.

I finally found the PB2 at the GNC at the mall that my sister and I went to the other day- I was thrilled! I absolutely love it- less calories and it really tastes awesome! I wonder if the potato starch would help out with the Polaner- I love the preserves, but again, I find myself a bit hungry sooner than I want to be, after eating it. I don't want to give it up- it gives me my "sweet treat" for the day, and is much healthier than a candy bar or other baked goods, which I rarely eat anyway.

Anyhow, I am thrilled that Atkins is working for you already- keep it up! You can always get back to high fiber later, when your sugars are balanced out and you climb up the post induction ladder. I wish I could do low carb, even for a few months, but my doctor forbids me from it. I've seen it do wonders for some folks, while others struggled with it. It seems to either work great for some, or not at all for others. As I say, one size doesn't fit all, and we need to adjust our diets according to our bodies needs, and not anyone else's. It sounds like this is helping you already with your sugar levels- I hope it continues to do so for you! :hug::hug:

Steelslady
04-02-2014, 12:48 AM
Steel which article are you referring to. I can't remember any apart from the things on nutrition wonderland and i haven't found it either. Do you mean the one about the novel by Lionel Shriver. She's American but now lives in Britain i think.



Yes, that was the article. :)

All meat is carb free and therefore its gluten free, unless its had flour added to it. Meat is pure protein except for the marbling which is fat.


Not true- this information came from three reliable sources that the meet HERE is not all gluten free or carb free. Two of them are scientists that study the foods we eat and know first hand what shows up in their labs. The other is a holistic doctor who is a friend of a teacher that is gluten free herself- she told my daughter not to eat any meat that wasn't organic, and to make sure that the meat was grass fed, not grain. Again, what they allow here in this country in our food and what they allow elsewhere is extremely different. It's very very sad what they are allowed to put in our foods here!



Anyway now that i've finished your post, i can see what you have to do. Its a wonder you didn't say it. You have to move! And i don't mean exercise lol. I mean to California or Ontario or wherever the food is more nutritious.

LOL, don't think I haven't considered it myself! Seriously, it really makes you think such thoughts, when it comes to health issues. I have never seen so many people sick with all the things people are sick with, at such young ages, in my life. When I compare my parents generation to ours- what a difference between what they ate, and what we eat now. To know that the Pres passed a bill that would allow dairy farmers to add aspartame to milk without putting it on the nutrition labels so folks can choose not to buy it, is just downright scary. I can't eat anything with aspartme- it is toxic to my system and has in the past, caused neurological problems. Just what I need, to have it added to my milk without my knowledge!

Steelslady
04-02-2014, 01:10 AM
Hi Ladies!

I just wanted to say that I have been lurking in this thread almost since it started, as I have known for quite some time that I needed to up my fiber intake.

As some of you know, I practice intuitive eating exclusively, but you have provided me some great information about how to add fiber to my diet. I love English muffins but hadn't had any in quite some time, so I found some of the higher fiber ones and have been having one most days. I generally only have a little butter on it but my husband and I were just at the grocery store and I picked up a jar of Polaner All Fruit Blackberry spread. Looking forward to trying that tomorrow on my English muffin!

This is probably TMI, but I have suffered from chronic constipation over the last few years. Just adding some of this extra fiber to my diet has really helped. My goal is not weight loss but rather peace with food. However, I can tell I've lost a little weight, not only from IE but also because I've become more regular.

In my dieting past I have tried low-carb and I think one of the reasons I was so terribly unsuccessful with it was the horrible constipation I experienced. For someone who has problems already, it was untenable for me. But it's nice to hear that upping your fiber can result in weight loss. I see why; it fills you up, resulting in overall less food intake. I eat more vegetables than I do fruit, but I've never eaten as much of either as I should have. I'm a bread freak, so substituting a high-fiber English muffin for other bread products is easy for me to do.

Hope you don't mind if I continue to lurk. I like the information I'm getting here!

Welcome to the high fiber thread! :wave: Please feel free to chime in anytime and post with us. We're a fun and friendly group, and everyone here is so helpful and encouraging to one another. No judgments here- we all want one another to succeed. :)

I know what you mean about the constipation on Atkins. I am very very regular myself, always have been. I always ate lots of veggies and some fruit on a daily basis, so when I tried this diet (lasted a total of four days each time, 3 different attempts), I was stunned at the agony I was in by the third day each time. I must have drank enough water to fill a pool on those days. The Psyllium husks did absolutely nothing to relieve it. It just isn't meant for me or my body type, and it's just not worth it for me to even attempt it again (my doctor forbids me from doing it).

I also think it had a hand in my gall bladder being infected. I almost died from it. My gallbladder problem was hereditary, and both my Mom and I cannot eat high amounts of fats (only good fats, like olive oil and peanuts). On Atkins, your encouraged to eat the fat on the meats- well, honestly, it just didn't settle with my system very well, let's just say. :rofl: By the fourth day, each time I did it, I was so nauseous, backed up, and in pain, that at first I thought I had the stomach flu, as just looking at anything with protein made me sick to my stomach. My body was trying to tell me something, and it took three times and a trip to the doctor to tell me why it wasn't working for me, lol.


Also, I never ever ever had an issue with my cholesterol until I tried low carb diets. My doctor approved of me trying Jorge Cruise's Belly Fat Cure Diet, so long as I never went under 80 carbs a day. While I slowly, and I do mean slowly, lost some weight (26 pounds in six months- so much for the "lose 4-7 pounds a week on this diet!" promise), my cholesterol went sky high- it's taken me three years to get this back under control. I am hoping to be off of Crestor soon- I don't want to be on it anymore. I also did the Carbohydrate Addict's diet for a year- great diet, but again, way way way too high in fat/protein for my body. I found myself dreading the Complimentary Meals because all that protein made my stomach turn. I did get in around 100 or so carbs a day on that diet, but it was just too much protein for my body. So, now I balance my food every day- high protein (low fat, of course!) and high fiber. It's working for me, and I feel invigorated and not exhausted all the time. I enjoy what I eat and don't dread certain meals anymore. It's a great balance for me, and it works. ;)

Glad you posted today, and I hope you continue to do so. Feel free to add any hints or suggestions, or ask for any help, if you need it. It's nice to have another Fiber counter on board! We're all doing it differently, but each one of us has found a way to lose that is healthy for our body types.

pattygirl63
04-02-2014, 10:02 AM
This is a flyby, but I just couldn't wait to share with y'all my results of just 2 days on Atkins Induction. I have a new low weight of 225.4 and a new low fbs of 113 mg. I am so very excited about how this is working. :carrot:

I know some of this is probably water weight, but I didn't do this good with fluid pills. And I don't have to take them because low carb is a natural diuretic. One of the reasons that I never stayed with Atkins for too long before is that it has never worked this good for me in the past. I will continue what I am doing the rest of the week and I just might do the second to see how good I do in the two weeks Induction Phase. This has become an exciting challenge for me which is just the motivation that I needed. They say you can (not will) lose 15 lbs in the 2 week Induction. I don't really care whether I lose the 15 lb, I'm just curious as to how good this will work if I do it "by the book". :) And another plus is that my tummy is almot back to normal. I think the Induction will give a really good jump start that I probably need. And of course, when the 2 weeks is up, I will start adding back some good low carb veggies, fruits and eventually the grains that I want to add into the plan.

SouthernMaven
04-02-2014, 10:12 AM
SouthernMaven Hello there I remember you from the IE thread. I haven't been there in a while, however, I just may be back over there in the near future.

Thanks Trish!

I wish you'd visit us on the IE thread. We miss you!

Steelslady
04-02-2014, 12:05 PM
This is a flyby, but I just couldn't wait to share with y'all my results of just 2 days on Atkins Induction. I have a new low weight of 225.4 and a new low fbs of 113 mg. I am so very excited about how this is working. :carrot:

I know some of this is probably water weight, but I didn't do this good with fluid pills. And I don't have to take them because low carb is a natural diuretic. One of the reasons that I never stayed with Atkins for too long before is that it has never worked this good for me in the past. I will continue what I am doing the rest of the week and I just might do the second to see how good I do in the two weeks Induction Phase. This has become an exciting challenge for me which is just the motivation that I needed. They say you can (not will) lose 15 lbs in the 2 week Induction. I don't really care whether I lose the 15 lb, I'm just curious as to how good this will work if I do it "by the book". :) And another plus is that my tummy is almot back to normal. I think the Induction will give a really good jump start that I probably need. And of course, when the 2 weeks is up, I will start adding back some good low carb veggies, fruits and eventually the grains that I want to add into the plan.

That's wonderful, Trish!!!!! :congrat: :bravo: Keep it up! So happy that your sugars have remained lower and steady the last two days. This is working for you beautifully- keep doing it for as long as you can- it is getting results.

I'm glad your stomach is feeling better, too. :carrot:

Pattience
04-02-2014, 06:45 PM
I thought i posted before in response to steel. Sorry its gone off somewhere.

Patty i like the sound of your plan. I hope it works for you.

I haven't got anything else to add right now. Haven't cooked anything since my vegetable bake the other day because that's all i've been eating really since then with all that's been going on. NO dramas just busyish.

pattygirl63
04-03-2014, 12:44 AM
Pattience I posted my totals for today and they aren't here either. Not sure what is going on. I got 15 g fiber in today. A good day.

Steelslady
04-03-2014, 12:43 PM
Pattience I posted my totals for today and they aren't here either. Not sure what is going on. I got 15 g fiber in today. A good day.

Nice work! I hope you had a great bfs reading this morning- sounds like you found the right combination for your body. Keep up the great work! :carrot:

pattygirl63
04-03-2014, 02:02 PM
Nice work! I hope you had a great bfs reading this morning- sounds like you found the right combination for your body. Keep up the great work! :carrot:

Thanks Steelslady I did. I also had an Atkins bar last night because it was late when I ate because we went to Walmart after church. I checked my bs later before going to bed after I ate one and my bs reading was 106 so I can include them in my way of eating. However, I also found that I would have been more satisfied with just a few bites instead of the whole bar and they aren't that big of bars. This morning my fbs was 113 again and the scale was the same. I checked my bs 2 hrs after breakfast and it was 119. So this way has definitely brought my bs under control. I feel great. My hubby is eating similar to me but more carbs and even his fbs has come way down.

My last words to my doctor as we left our last appt was "We will be in even better shape and have better #s next time you see us". So he is going to be really excited and pleased with the two of us.

pattygirl63
04-04-2014, 04:15 PM
As I am reading the New Atkins book again, I'm learning that the plan is actually a high protein/high fiber way of eating. Atkins is a way of balancing the protein/fat/carb-fiber. I had a problem for a few days this week getting the carbs and fiber count to balance because I really didn't understand that this is the goal of Atkins way of eating. So I will be adding fiber into my way of eating now to get my net carbs around 20 grams and get my fiber grams as high as possible within that amount of carb grams.

Good news is that my weight has been the same for 3 days and my fasting blood sugar was normal this morning at 93 mg. This is great progress and feels great to know that it is working.

Have a nice weekend everyone.

pattygirl63
04-06-2014, 02:32 PM
This thread seems to have become very quiet. Don't know if anyone is still interested in this or not. Just thought I would share that this has finally come together for me.

I couldn't go the constipation of Atkins Induction so I have started raising my carb and fiber. I actually forgot for a few days that on Atkins I can subtract the fiber from the carb. I actually have the New Atkins for the New You book and they stress the fact that this is a high protein/high fiber way of eating more nutritionally. So I've used it to get thing more balanced. I've decided to try to get my carbs to the 40 g range while slowly working at raising my fiber up to 25 or 30 g.

Hope everyone is doing well.

Pattience
04-06-2014, 04:56 PM
Hi Trish I'm still around. Just been busy the last day or so and no one else to respond to.

I've got to think of something to say now. Keep posting. Others will come in from time to time.

I had lentil soup finally yesterday. I made it the same way i make the pea soup. Its quick and easy.

200gram of red lentils
2 onions
2 cloves garlic
2 cups of water per 100 grams lentils
1 sachet of tomato paste
salt

This time i had a chance to soak the lentils first but then the pressure cook seal has gone missing so i still cooked them for a while but red lentils are much quicker to cook than other lentils anyway.

Anyway all EXCEPT the salt goes in the one pot and then just cook with the lid on for a while. Add water if you can't seal it in. At the end, blend up with a bar mix, add salt. It will need a fair bit. Close to a teaspoon. But watch it. There's nothing worse than over salted food.

pattygirl63
04-06-2014, 05:36 PM
Pattience Thanks for the recipe for lentils. Good to see you here. I know we all get busy. I imagine Steelslady is busy with her DD up coming graduation. I'll check back from time to time as well. Meeting y'all on this thread has totally changed my life. My fasting blood sugar is normal. It was 97 this morning and I checked it a few minutes before my yogurt snack and it was 91. So I just had to share that with y'all.

Last night I wanted something to eat and I whipped a couple of eggs and put them on to cook. I got busy and they turned out like an omelet that looked like a pancake so I put a touch of mozzarella cheese on it and folded it over and topped it with blueberry Plolaner preserves and it was really good. The Polaner is so easy to get a quick 3 g fiber in my diet.

I also got the Greek yogurt yesterday. I never liked it, but I am enjoying it with the Polaner as well. Topped it with .4 oz of walnuts today.

Now that my tummy is better, I am enjoying this way of eating as well as controlled blood sugar.

Steelslady
04-06-2014, 07:19 PM
Ladies, I apologize- I thought everyone left this thread for the weekend, hence why I didn't post. I am not feeling very good- I think I have bronchitis- going to the Walk In tomorrow to find out. I am still eating on plan, just a bit tired the last few days, now I know why. When I get quiet, that means I am coming down with something. :rofl: For me to not want to go swimming the last four days- that should have told my family I was coming down with something, as that is my one favorite thing to do in the world. :D

Trish- so proud of your progress- love that your sugar levels have come down so much- wow! Sorry to hear about your constipation issues- I had the same issue with Atkins, by the fourth day, I couldn't even look at protein. I envy folks that can do it, but my body says no way, now how. :lol: The psyllium husks did nothing for me, either- tried those the last two times I attempted it- nothing changed. I know it works for others, though- good for them.

Pattience- lentil soup sounds good right about now! Just too tired to make it. I'm having hubby finish making the spaghetti and meatballs right now- I mixed up the ingredients for the meatballs, all he had to do was add the hamburger and roll them. He'll be cooking the pasta soon, I suppose I better make my butter/garlic mixture for garlic bread.

I'll try to post again later. So sorry, I didn't mean to abandon anyone. :) I'm glad you're both still here!

aleka, where are you? I hope everything's ok!

Pattience
04-06-2014, 08:05 PM
Good you bS is down so low.

What is the deal with greek yoghurt. I have eaten greek yoghurt since i went to greece many years ago but how is it better than other natural yoghurts. I can't figure it out.

Steel you are sick. Go to bed. Stay there. Hugs dear. I hope you are feeling better soon.

When i get a cold which usually includes laryngitis or pharyngitis or some other sort of horrible chesty thing, i have discovered rest and paracetamol helps me a lot. Otherwise, eat normally. If you are sick you won't want to overeat i would think. Keep your fluids up.

Pattience
04-06-2014, 08:08 PM
I have found out that greek yoghurt is just yoghurt. Its the same as natural yoghurt. Perhaps people are contrasting it with sweetened yoghurt which i almost never eat.

So yeah, greek yoghurt /natural yoghurt is blood good stuff. Eat that. I love with stewed fruit. I'm having a stewed fruit phase. Right now its stewed apples, no added sugar. Just half a cup of reach and 1tsp of mixed seeds. So ******* yummy.

But like everything eat too much of it and you'll blow your calorie budget.

IBAlex
04-07-2014, 07:49 PM
Hello everybody,

my name is Alex and I'm new to 3FC. I'm here to help you with any technical problems you might encounter on the site, working as a liaison between you and the tech team. I'm testing now the issue with disappearing posts that some of you reported last week. I'm writing this post to see if the same will happen with my post.

If you encountered the problem with disappearing posts please let me know about it on the "Announcements and Forum Help" , thread "Post disappearing".

Thank you!
Alex

Pattience
04-07-2014, 08:26 PM
Thank you Alex!

pattygirl63
04-07-2014, 11:24 PM
Steelslady Sorry you aren't feeling well. Hope you feel better soon.

Pattience I don't know what it was about Greek yogurt that I didn't like, but I love it with the Polaner.

I didn't eat low carb today. Actually I wanted something different for dinner tonight because I wasn't in the mood for a meal or to cook. I ate a serving of pecans, walnuts and a few cookies. However, I still was within my calorie count though so I feel like I good. It was a one time thing. Don't remember what the fiber was, but I did go over on my carbs. I'll check my bs before I go to bed. I guess this is one reason a constant long term Atkins Induction isn't for me.

Pattience
04-08-2014, 01:15 AM
What is planer. I've never ever heard of it.
Isn't induction just meant to be a short term thing. I've noticed that all the low carb diets seem to be more severe in the beginning.

pattygirl63
04-08-2014, 01:12 PM
Pattience Planer?? Not sure what you mean.

Induction is short term usually 2 weeks. I used it to get my stomach straightened out get me ready so I can work toward getting fiber back into my way of eating.

Now that my stomach is ready, I am adding some fiber back into my daily plan. I'm working at eating 15 to 20 g a day right now. It has been more like 10 or less for the past week while on Induction. This has caused me to experience a lot of constipation. Time to get my system working again.

Pattience
04-08-2014, 01:15 PM
pOLaner! My typing is hopeless. What the bleep is pOlaner? Oh i just discovered my typing is fine. Its my computer that's correcting my typing to planer.

I didn't eat very well yesterday. I didn't break my diet but i just didn't eat a proper dinner. And now i'm up before 3am, though i'm not sure the two are connected.

That Atkins thing sounds like ****.

I've got to make an admission. This nice quiet little thread is a blessing. A little oasis of calm in the raging storm of debate i'm involved in going on the rest of the site. Its wearing me out all that disagreement. I swear i think i am a receptacle of common sense and fairly sound knowledge but a lot of people here refuse to give me any credit. But what can i say. I'm just a bit of a know it all. Though i am not sure its that. I think they just don't like my views.

So with all that, its so nice to come here where we all just get on with our own basic thing because we only have a simple common principle that we all agree on.

I hope they don't all come here to start another to and fro about what i've just said and so on.

And anyway where is that LILIAN who started this little story. She's abandoned us.

And i've got this little red spot on my shoulder that was initially only a mosquito bite i think but for days and days its been this terrible erratic itch. I think i've got a worm in there. Or something odd at least. Its not even red or irritated looking but i can't go and see the doctor about it. They will think i'm a hypochondriac.

So whinge over now. I"I'm boiling two eggs. One is to eat now and the other, some other time i guess.

I swear i didn't swear up above but i can't remember what i actually did say. Bit shocked to see the swearing symbols. How stupid.

IBAlex
04-08-2014, 03:34 PM
Hello everybody,

my name is Alex and I'm new to 3FC. I'm here to help you with any technical problems you might encounter on the site, working as a liaison between you and the tech team. I'm testing now the issue with disappearing posts that some of you reported last week. I'm writing this post to see if the same will happen with my post.

If you encountered the problem with disappearing posts please let me know about it on the "Announcements and Forum Help" , thread "Post disappearing".

Thank you!
Alex

pattygirl63
04-08-2014, 04:32 PM
pOLaner! My typing is hopeless. What the bleep is pOlaner? Oh i just discovered my typing is fine. Its my computer that's correcting my typing to planer.

I didn't eat very well yesterday. I didn't break my diet but i just didn't eat a proper dinner. And now i'm up before 3am, though i'm not sure the two are connected.

That Atkins thing sounds like ****.

I've got to make an admission. This nice quiet little thread is a blessing. A little oasis of calm in the raging storm of debate i'm involved in going on the rest of the site. Its wearing me out all that disagreement. I swear i think i am a receptacle of common sense and fairly sound knowledge but a lot of people here refuse to give me any credit. But what can i say. I'm just a bit of a know it all. Though i am not sure its that. I think they just don't like my views.

So with all that, its so nice to come here where we all just get on with our own basic thing because we only have a simple common principle that we all agree on.

I hope they don't all come here to start another to and fro about what i've just said and so on.

And anyway where is that LILIAN who started this little story. She's abandoned us.

And i've got this little red spot on my shoulder that was initially only a mosquito bite i think but for days and days its been this terrible erratic itch. I think i've got a worm in there. Or something odd at least. Its not even red or irritated looking but i can't go and see the doctor about it. They will think i'm a hypochondriac.

So whinge over now. I"I'm boiling two eggs. One is to eat now and the other, some other time i guess.

I swear i didn't swear up above but i can't remember what i actually did say. Bit shocked to see the swearing symbols. How stupid.

I really never thought about much about Polaner until (I think it was) Steel mentioned using it for fiber. I used it yesterday on a pork chop and it was delicious.

Hey, you didn't say anything wrong that I could see. Feel free to share. I feel like this thread has helped me a lot. Hope the place on your shoulder heals up quickly.

As for Atkins, I think it is a good plan. I just can't stay on induction long term. I've tried it before and I never make it through the 2 weeks. Usually stay on it a week to 10 days. Made a week this time.

What I really like about this thread is that we are doing fiber, but we are doing it our own way and no one criticize the other. We just share what we are doing and we learn from each other.

Hope you were able to get some sleep.

pattygirl63
04-08-2014, 07:58 PM
Calories 1361 and fiber 24. Good day.

Carbs are higher but it can't be helped trying to get fiber up where it is.

Steelslady Hope you are feeling better today.:hug:

Pattience Hope you got some rest today.:hug:

Pattience
04-09-2014, 04:28 AM
Patty if its good carbs it shouldn't matter how many there are - i.e. carbs with fibre.

So i've just got up. Its 6.25pm. I went into the city in the morning and got home about 3pm i guess. I was so exhausted.

I think the lack of sleep has made me a big hungrier and messed around with my meals and appetite a bit today too. though on the whole i've been pretty good. Though it has to be said, not much fibre. A lot more protein than usual though as while i was out i had sushi - a basic one of salmon and rice. And then later i had an asian duck noodle soup. My choices weren't bad but tonight i need to eat maybe one of my lentil salads.

I was at the library. I brought home about 8 7 books on diet and nutrition. I was curious to read a book on certain diets but they were mainly out but heres what i picked up:

the no grain diet by mercola - we have a strong advocate of this approach on 3FC. From the few pages i've read so far, for whatever truth it contains, there's a very self-serving orientation that causes me distrust.

Good calories bad calories by gary taubes - i hadn't heard of this guy before but he's well known by a few on this site so i thought he'd be worth a read.

Real Food What to Eat and Why - sounds like a whole food approach which i applaud. Its written by a doctor who lost weight and has kept it off for 9 years since the cover tells us. I figure i could learn some thing useful.

The CSIRO total wellbeing diet Book 2. - I used to own Book1 which i have a lot of respect for and am interested in book 2 because it has some vegetarian options and other useful updates.

The don't go hungry diet - that sounds like me. I think it basically is what i'm doing which is not to restrict calories severely but of course i haven't read it yet.

Nutrition for Health Wellness and Sport - A book on nutrition is usually a better more in-depth option than a diet book for information on the subject even if they do have a preference for this or that orientation.

Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism - I thought this might provide some new insights at a level i haven't gone much into yet.

pattygirl63
04-09-2014, 10:01 PM
Pattience That is a lot of reading. You will be one busy lady. It will be interesting what you learn. There are so many ideas out there that you need to do this and not that and vice versa.

I agree about the carbs being good ones with fiber. I cook pretty simple these days as my hubby is so picky. I get tired of the same veggies all the time. Today we had bbq wings, a salad and baked beans. I ended up getting 30 g fiber with a net carb of 42 and just under 1200 calories. I know they say don't eat less than 1200, but it is so close and I'm satisfied for the day so I am through. I am not going to try to go over 30 g fiber for now, because my system is working good again including my stomach. Blood sugar was up today, but I feel sure that as the weight starts coming down that it will come back down.

Happy reading.:)

Steelslady
04-09-2014, 10:24 PM
Hi ladies! Miss talking to you both!

Went to the walk in the other day, and luckily, no bronchitis, but my bronchial tubes were tight, so on the Prednisone I went for six days. I feel a little bit better- looks like the allergies are starting early this year. *sigh*

I am at a stall (plateau) right now, so I've decided to cut out grains for a little bit, while my youngest daughter does Paleo. I've been losing and gaining the same four pounds for three weeks now, something needs to change to get the furnace going again. I'm still eating high fiber, though- that will never change. :D She wants to lose weight for her prom, so I am trying to help her and support her- lots of blasted cooking on that diet, though- ugh! That's another reason why I can't stand low carb, besides medically (for me) along with the boredom, is all the dar gone cooking involved for every meal! Oh, well, she's worth it. Then I'll have to cook non-iodine foods for her 10 days before her radiation treatment in July- I teased her the other day, saying she's lucky she has a master chef for a mother, or she'd starve if her father had to cook for her. :rofl: Poor baby- sad thing is, she is so EASY to please, never complains about anything that I cook for her- breaks my heart that she has so many medical issues going on. She works out an average of 2-3 hours a day- her coaches cannot believe how her body holds onto weight so easily- it's the grains, we both know this, but I just have a hard time "making" her eat grain free all the time, with everything else going on around her. Luckily, she came to the conclusion herself that she has to do this- better that way, than me trying to force it on her, know what I mean? I always cook her gluten free stuff at home, but when she was out with friends, well.............along came some pizza. ;)

I hope to exercise tonight after I make her and I some breakfast and lunch stuff for tomorrow. I've been napping a couple of afternoons this week, then the prednisone makes my hyper, so I'm not sleeping as well or as long at night. I miss exercising, but just took it easy for a few days to recover.

Aleka, where are you?? I hope she's ok. Sluggo, TamTam? Where did the others go? Did we scare them all away? Liliann, please check in with us- we miss you, even if you're not doing high fiber, would love to hear from you!

Pattience
04-09-2014, 10:58 PM
I'm afraid my pessimistic theory is that if they are not checking in they have fallen off the wagon.

Of course i know its not necessarily the case. Sometimes life gets in the way.

So steel, it sounds tough with your daughter but i can't remember what he medical condition actually is. I read so many things on these forums, i tend to forget nearly all of it. Can you remind us when you talk about her. Just a clue so we know what you are referring to.

You should see the big thumping salad i am just finishing up. Or should have seen rather. Its fantastic. Full of fibre and protein and flavour. I've detailed it in my last post linked in sig line. For when you lack ideas.

I know what you mean about cooking. I don't like to spend much time cooking either. I am even tired of cooking fried egg for breakfast. Didn't take long. But i will make myself do it from time to time more often than in the past.

I rather enjoyed my food yesterday. Going to town gives me an opportunity to eat something off my usual route. I did a little bit of shopping. On special at woolworths i bought 300g of smoked salmon for a very good price. I love smoked salmon and its good for omega 3 fatty acids. Its nice chopped into a salad, or mixed in with other veggie dishes or in pasta as well as in a sandwich but i tend to think its too good to hide in a sandwich.

I haven't got sewing yet today. I"m procrastinating.

We;ve got a cyclone on the way. Should hit the coast north of here tomorrow. I haven't done any preparation but we are expecting lots of rain. I hope it doesn't come directly to us but i am not expecting it at this point. cyclone Ita in case anyone wants to check it out online.

Pattience
04-09-2014, 10:59 PM
Pattience That is a lot of reading. You will be one busy lady. It will be interesting what you learn. There are so many ideas out there that you need to do this and not that and vice versa.

I agree about the carbs being good ones with fiber. I cook pretty simple these days as my hubby is so picky. I get tired of the same veggies all the time. Today we had bbq wings, a salad and baked beans. I ended up getting 30 g fiber with a net carb of 42 and just under 1200 calories. I know they say don't eat less than 1200, but it is so close and I'm satisfied for the day so I am through. I am not going to try to go over 30 g fiber for now, because my system is working good again including my stomach. Blood sugar was up today, but I feel sure that as the weight starts coming down that it will come back down.

Happy reading.:)

Do you know what makes your blood sugar go up when you are eating well?

I must not use all those books as a distraction from more important things like my sewing but i am a bit.

aleka
04-10-2014, 07:54 AM
I've been lurking rather than posting.....I just haven't had anything to say, plus there have been things going on in DH's family.

I've been eating a lot of bread lately, and have decided to cut way back. I don't want to give it up completely. I'm not losing any weight and if this doesn't work, I don't know what else to do.

Pattience, I have heard that Good Calories Bad Calories has a lot of technical terms in it, and wasn't really meant for mainstream reading. I tried reading it, but gave up. He also wrote Why We Get Fat, and that is written more for mainstream reading. Good luck with it! Stay safe in the cyclone.

Pattygirl, I have the latest Atkins diet book, New Atkins for a New You and dug it out the other day. It sounds interesting and I was wondering if you'd post a menu. I apologize if you already have and I missed it.

Steelslady, Finally some good weather! I know how hard it must be for your daughter and I understand what she's going through. Sorry you haven't been exercising. Hope you can get out and exercise soon. DH & I are still walking in the mall most days.

Hope everyone has a great day.

Pattience
04-10-2014, 08:32 AM
Hi Aleka, good to see you again.

If you want some help with your program, you should feel free to share.

Did you see my post on the general chatter forum about reading books. It got a fairly good response with lots of people sharing. It seems the Taubes book is not highly regarded ultimately. I like getting a bit of a feel for a variety of books, it helps me see the flaws when someone uses them as a quote.

I don't know if i will get through all these books. I hate these dumbed down books. the Mercola book is particularly bad.

Re bread, i don't quit bread but i don't over eat it either. Well i do when i'm not on a diet but on a diet, i need to eat vegetables and that tends not to leave a lot of room for bread.

Glad you came back. If i suddenly disappear without telling why, you'll know its because i've fallen off the wagon and it may be a number of years before you see me again! So I hope not to fall off.

aleka
04-10-2014, 08:47 AM
Pattience, thank you for the welcome back. No, I haven't read your post about reading books. I'll have to check it out. There is another diet site I belong to that think Gary Taubs's books are the holy grail. But, I don't believe everything he says because everyone is different.

I don't plan on giving up bread altogether because I like it too much and it keeps me full. I plan to just cut back at home, but will have it when we go out to eat. There is one restaurant where we go for breakfast and they have the best raisin toast.:D

I hope your don't fall off the wagon either. I enjoy reading your posts.

Pattience
04-10-2014, 05:53 PM
I would just say if you can find something else to keep you full instead of a refined carb food like bread, you will do much better.

Lots of bread and other refined carbs foods just keep your appetite going. But if you can cut back on the bread and eat things like vegetables and legumes instead, it might make you feel full much sooner. I find these foods much more satisfying. They are still quite bulky but they contain your appetite for longer because they take longer to digest.

Have you tried out any my salads?

I have noticed a lot of people on this site reporting that when go extreme vegetables, they seem to find it hard to get a high calorie count going because they are so full already on vegies. But i would suggest including protein still at each meal as well.

I struggle to get enough protein because i'm mainly vegetarian but i make myself do it because i know it also helps make you feel full.

I still haven't got to the gary taubes book yet but on this site but if its a low carb site, i can understand that. I think he is a low carb person isn't he.

pattygirl63
04-10-2014, 06:59 PM
Pattience I think my fasting blood sugar goes up when I eat too many carbs although, I'm thinking it is when I overdo carbs in one meal. I seem to be able to handle on good carb (whole grain not white) in one meal as long as there are more protein and veggies in the meal. More fiber from the veggies and grain seems to balance it. Tues day I think it was, I had more starchy foods than I usually eat and my fbs was 145 yesterday morning. Yesterday, I had starchy carbs, but better choices and in smaller meals and my fbs this morning was 109. My goal is to get the weight off so that I will not have diabetes. When I get my weight down below 200, my blood sugar usually becomes normal again.

Aleka I am not actually doing Atkins. I just kind of use it when I need it to get rid of cravings for sweets. However, this is a sample of how I eat when I'm doing Induction.

Breakfast is 2 eggs and either 2 sl bacon or 1 Jimmy Dean lowfat sausage patty or 1/4 c Jimmy Dean lowfat sausage crumbles if I'm making omelet or scrambled eggs.

Lunch and Dinner usually consists of a serving of some sort of portein, a low carb veggie and a salad (for lunch)/(what I call a finger salad for dinner). A finger salad is usually radishes, celery, grape or cherry tomatoes and cucumbers, but I can't handle the cucumbers any more. You could use any type of veggie that can be put into a salad that can be eat as a finger food.

Snacks are usually something like a slice of meat wrapped with cheese or lettuce leaf.

I still use that as my base start of what I eat, but I've added my Double fiber with the eggs in the morning. I had baked beans yesterday instead of a salad for lunch since I'm going for fiber now.

I like the Atkins drinks although I couldn't find my favorite which is chocolate at me Walmart last night. I'm not a shake person for morning breakfast so I decided to use it as a substitute meal or snack in the evening. I will put it in my Magic Bullet with some berries and blend it and drink it.

The only thing I'm doing now that I don't think is Atkins is the bread. So I just consider myself doing low carb, not Atkins. Hope this helps.

Steelslady I hope you are feeling better soon. I love Paleo way of eating. In fact, I think it isn't much different than the new Atkins Induction. I know I'm not going to live the rest of my life without any bread of any sort if I don't have to. In fact, I heard a doctor I listened to on Youtube one time that said he honestly believed you could go on Paleo for 2 weeks and reverse diabetes.

You know Paleo just might start a healing for your daughter. I have a niece who works at a cancer center in TX. My sister told me today that they do not allow any sugar of any kind in the center. The do use sweeteners, but no sugar. I found that interesting because I just read on another thread on 3fc that cancer feeds on sugar. Just something I found interesting. I thought of your daughter among others I know going through that battle right now. I thought I would pass that along.