Ideal Protein Diet - In need of some encouragement please




JanMarie40
02-19-2014, 03:41 PM
Hey everyone!

I'm currently on holidays and spent a couple of days visiting my sister for her birthday. This was the first time on IP that I had to deal with eating in social settings and at other people's homes. I did pretty well: I brought a tonne of vegetables and packets, and while everyone had wine and chips, I had Dill Zippers and Perrier. LOL. I passed over the stuffing, cake, pickled carrots and all the other delicious food that was there and ate turnips and turkey. Oddly, it was both really hard and really easy to do this but I consider it a NSV for sure. It was definitely empowering to discover that I don't have to cave in to every food whim I have.

Today was also my WI #3 and I'm down 11 pounds.

BUT... today I feel such a lack of energy, lack of desire to eat or drink, lack of motivation to keep going... it's like all my motivation and energy were spent on the weekend resisting the temptations around me. I even don't want to do anything besides sleep.

Has anyone felt like this before? Is this just the excitement and newness of the diet wearing off and reality setting in?

Help. :(


Ruth Ann
02-19-2014, 03:58 PM
Wow - you've done great with all that going on! Congratulations are in order!

Could it be you are just tired? Being on holiday, seeing all your family, etc. can take a lot out of you. Plus being tense with all that food around - no wonder you are tired!

Take a day or two and be nice to yourself. Be sure to get all your food and water, etc. in but take some time to take a nice long bath, naps, read a book, go for an easy walk - anything that you like to do and relaxes you.

You've done great so far! Hang in there!

JanMarie40
02-19-2014, 04:03 PM
Wow - you've done great with all that going on! Congratulations are in order!

Could it be you are just tired? Being on holiday, seeing all your family, etc. can take a lot out of you. Plus being tense with all that food around - no wonder you are tired!

Take a day or two and be nice to yourself. Be sure to get all your food and water, etc. in but take some time to take a nice long bath, naps, read a book, go for an easy walk - anything that you like to do and relaxes you.

You've done great so far! Hang in there!

Thank you so much for your kind words Ruth Ann! I'm crying now - I must be tired!! Ha ha. Or the diet is releasing crazy hormones into my system again. Family - you can't live without them, and you can't live with them! LOL. I have been super wound-up and stressed at work too so maybe it is just that I need some serious down-time. I never treat myself to nice things like a walk for enjoyment's sake... maybe that's what I'll do this afternoon! I really appreciate your kind support :)


Ruth Ann
02-19-2014, 04:33 PM
You are quite welcome JanMarie! And yes, hormones do get released as we lose weight since they are stored in our fat!

Slipfree
02-19-2014, 04:48 PM
Janmarie, IP can be draining. It takes such intense focus and willpower,that it is tiring especially at the beginning. That said, it is also the best decision I have ever made about my health.

You are also correct about the hormones! The breakdown of fat messes with them, in a big way :D I try to remember when I am feeling emotional or weepy
that it is more about chemicals and less about my actual feelings.

When I am not hungry, I focus on food being fuel for my body. Empty tank and the engine does not run. I picture ketosis as a fat burning furnace and that OP food is needed to fuel that furnace. So I eat anyway.

I think that Ruth Ann is right about relaxing. Have you thought of rewarding yourself for staying OP?

Hope some of this helps. You have done great so far. You can do this!

Hiker88
02-19-2014, 05:14 PM
JanMarie, sounds like your tired and maybe you did use a lot of energy saying no to all that amazing food! I got over confidant this month and had tons of company both to show friends my new house and also to thank the million people who helped me with my move. I had awesome food all around and didn't touch it...

My sister and her family came to visit this weekend and I stayed up late and of course woke up before 6am as usual! That seemed to contribute to my lack of motivation this week. I slept 10hrs one night and have been taking it easy at work for a couple of days and now I'm feeling back to my motivated self.

I think I'm going to try and slow my schedule down a little (not that its possible!) I'm able to stay more focussed on the task at hand when I'm not overbooking my life!

mars735
02-19-2014, 05:23 PM
JanMarie, Wow! You are on your way. That's huge NSV. Do you gat the IP videos from your clinic? No biggie if not, but I recall one where they talk about studies on will power. Apparently the more decisions you have to make about eating right, the more you deplete you will power. Maybe that's why you feel depleted in addition to the things suggested above. The advice IP gives in the video is to try to arrange your life so you don't have to make the will power choices too often. Easier said than done if you have any social life. I had to avoid a lot of social stuff on P1--it was just too much for me to keep saying no. If you need to do that sometimes, remember it's only temporary.

JanMarie40
02-19-2014, 05:32 PM
Jan Marie - Your words remind me of how I felt at just about the same point in this process - for a while I doubted the rightness of taking on IP because I felt so listless.

For me, it did get much easier. Every day that I was able to stay 100%OP cemented my determination to make this program work by giving it my all. The more times that you face challenges a you did with your family and make it through the easier it becomes. Soon it is second nature.

So hang in there and take very good care of yourself during the harder periods. Treat yourself to a really good long book or video and to heck with the consequences to your normal "schedule".

Read this site and you can learn the experiences that have helped others make this program work!

Thank you Schenectady! I've picked up a book but its about a group of people who want to jump off a roof on New Year's Eve. Perhaps not an inspiring read for the down times? LOL. I appreciate your words of encouragement! :) I think tonight I'll treat myself to a movie!

JanMarie40
02-19-2014, 05:34 PM
Janmarie, IP can be draining. It takes such intense focus and willpower,that it is tiring especially at the beginning. That said, it is also the best decision I have ever made about my health.

You are also correct about the hormones! The breakdown of fat messes with them, in a big way :D I try to remember when I am feeling emotional or weepy
that it is more about chemicals and less about my actual feelings.

When I am not hungry, I focus on food being fuel for my body. Empty tank and the engine does not run. I picture ketosis as a fat burning furnace and that OP food is needed to fuel that furnace. So I eat anyway.

I think that Ruth Ann is right about relaxing. Have you thought of rewarding yourself for staying OP?

Hope some of this helps. You have done great so far. You can do this!

Thank you too, Slipfree! :) I had thought of different things I could do to reward myself when I reached certain goals, but so far I haven't followed through!! But this afternoon after Ruth Ann's message I walked to a drug store and bought some pretty nail polish! The simple things, right? LOL. I am feeling better already.

JanMarie40
02-19-2014, 05:36 PM
JanMarie, sounds like your tired and maybe you did use a lot of energy saying no to all that amazing food! I got over confidant this month and had tons of company both to show friends my new house and also to thank the million people who helped me with my move. I had awesome food all around and didn't touch it...

My sister and her family came to visit this weekend and I stayed up late and of course woke up before 6am as usual! That seemed to contribute to my lack of motivation this week. I slept 10hrs one night and have been taking it easy at work for a couple of days and now I'm feeling back to my motivated self.

I think I'm going to try and slow my schedule down a little (not that its possible!) I'm able to stay more focussed on the task at hand when I'm not overbooking my life!

Wow, you have great will power!! That's awesome! :) It definitely seems easier to stay on track when I have time to plan and organize.

JanMarie40
02-19-2014, 05:42 PM
JanMarie, Wow! You are on your way. That's huge NSV. Do you gat the IP videos from your clinic? No biggie if not, but I recall one where they talk about studies on will power. Apparently the more decisions you have to make about eating right, the more you deplete you will power. Maybe that's why you feel depleted in addition to the things suggested above. The advice IP gives in the video is to try to arrange your life so you don't have to make the will power choices too often. Easier said than done if you have any social life. I had to avoid a lot of social stuff on P1--it was just too much for me to keep saying no. If you need to do that sometimes, remember it's only temporary.

Thank you Mars735 :)

I do get the videos, but I don't think I've seen that one yet. It sounds really interesting. I find that the timing of the videos is pretty spot on to how I'm feeling. They must have put a lot of thought into that!!

Thank goodness I don't have a social life!!! LOL. It's true, though, I'm a homebody and a workaholic so at least I don't have many social activities over the next few months. It's actually a pretty good time to do IP because of this.

Whew. I'm feeling better. I think if I give myself a manicure, watch a fun movie tonight and go to bed early I'll have more energy tomorrow.

Thanks again everyone!! You've all been very helpful :D

eandc2006
02-19-2014, 06:45 PM
I would second everyone here that you have done amazing so far! I completely have been in your shoes, and find myself there sometimes more than I would like BUT is passes. Mars had a great point about willpower...the more you use the less you have. Making such significant changes and sticking with them while those around you are indulging is hard and at times feels awful (it did for me anyway). I am confident that you are moving in the right direction with your choices. Take a day or two and let it pass...and in the meantime celebrate success and your dedication. Best of luck to you!

JanMarie40
02-19-2014, 09:02 PM
I would second everyone here that you have done amazing so far! I completely have been in your shoes, and find myself there sometimes more than I would like BUT is passes. Mars had a great point about willpower...the more you use the less you have. Making such significant changes and sticking with them while those around you are indulging is hard and at times feels awful (it did for me anyway). I am confident that you are moving in the right direction with your choices. Take a day or two and let it pass...and in the meantime celebrate success and your dedication. Best of luck to you!

Thank you :)

Did my nails, watched a movie... :) might find another way to spoil myself tonight! I feel a little silly whining when I've only been on IP for 3 weeks but I suppose it's a process and we all take one day at a time.

bindersbee
02-20-2014, 12:55 AM
I was VERY tired weeks 2-4 on the diet. I read about all the energy others had yet found myself literally falling into bed exhausted at 9 pm every night. Luckily, my energy returned about week 5 and, unless I over-exert myself, I can get through the days just fine.

Ruth Ann
02-20-2014, 07:57 AM
Thank you :)

Did my nails, watched a movie... :) might find another way to spoil myself tonight! I feel a little silly whining when I've only been on IP for 3 weeks but I suppose it's a process and we all take one day at a time.

Good job JanMarie! And you are allowed to whine occasionally here - we all understand! This is a great place to come when you're feeling tired, overwhelmed, discouraged - someone will come up with a great idea or at least be able to commiserate.

Here's the deal - most of us have been so focused on food for so long that once we hit our stride with IP and it's no longer new to us then we kind of don't know what to do. We've spent so much time thinking about food before we started (i.e. what do I eat next?) and then so much time thinking about food when we start IP that we're at a loss as to what to do with ourselves and our minds go to that old friend, food. Old habits are hard to break but it can be done. Before IP if I watched a movie I had popcorn. Now I do my nails or pet the cat (trust me, you can't eat with a 20 lb cat on your lap!) or even just take a piece of yarn and play with it to keep my hands busy. Just recognizing that it's a habit makes it easier to come up with alternatives.

JanMarie40
02-20-2014, 11:07 AM
I was VERY tired weeks 2-4 on the diet. I read about all the energy others had yet found myself literally falling into bed exhausted at 9 pm every night. Luckily, my energy returned about week 5 and, unless I over-exert myself, I can get through the days just fine.

That's good to hear!

For the first couple of weeks I slept like a log every night, which is unusual for me as I have chronic insomnia, and started feeling good. Then this week I've been waking up at night and dragging my butt during the day. After returning from my sister's I went to bed at 7:30 and slept for 12 hours!!! :o Hopefully once I return to my regular schedule things will be ok. I did have an extra pudding yesterday too and that seems to help every now and again. :)

JanMarie40
02-20-2014, 11:13 AM
Good job JanMarie! And you are allowed to whine occasionally here - we all understand! This is a great place to come when you're feeling tired, overwhelmed, discouraged - someone will come up with a great idea or at least be able to commiserate.

Here's the deal - most of us have been so focused on food for so long that once we hit our stride with IP and it's no longer new to us then we kind of don't know what to do. We've spent so much time thinking about food before we started (i.e. what do I eat next?) and then so much time thinking about food when we start IP that we're at a loss as to what to do with ourselves and our minds go to that old friend, food. Old habits are hard to break but it can be done. Before IP if I watched a movie I had popcorn. Now I do my nails or pet the cat (trust me, you can't eat with a 20 lb cat on your lap!) or even just take a piece of yarn and play with it to keep my hands busy. Just recognizing that it's a habit makes it easier to come up with alternatives.

Love it Ruth Ann! It's so true: when I felt blue before I turned to food to comfort me. Now what?? LOL. And I find I can't eat when my nails are wet!! Your cat probably loves the added attention now ;)

I'm scared about maintenance. Once I taste carbs will I want to gorge myself on them?? I know, it's a ways away... I'm such a worry-wort!! Ha ha.

mars735
02-20-2014, 03:42 PM
Based on my experience, I would not label your concern about carb gorging as 'worry wort'! My first few weeks on maintenance I didn't think I would ever care about junk food. Then, I found myself bingeing on foods I hadn't even been craving on P1: donuts, cheetos, etc. It was weird because I couldn't identify a trigger of any sort and would not have considered my self a binge eater before.

On the maintainers forum, someone recommended a book that has been a huge help and provided a plausible explanation for my experience of bingeing after a successful but long diet. Brain over Bingeby kathryn Hansen IP doesn't even claim to offer a fix for behavioral issues. They only claim that IF you follow the 4 phases, you will lose and maintain. There are other resources besides this book. You're wise to be asking the questions ahead of time!

JanMarie40
02-20-2014, 06:42 PM
Based on my experience, I would not label your concern about carb gorging as 'worry wort'! My first few weeks on maintenance I didn't think I would ever care about junk food. Then, I found myself bingeing on foods I hadn't even been craving on P1: donuts, cheetos, etc. It was weird because I couldn't identify a trigger of any sort and would not have considered my self a binge eater before.

On the maintainers forum, someone recommended a book that has been a huge help and provided a plausible explanation for my experience of bingeing after a successful but long diet. Brain over Bingeby kathryn Hansen IP doesn't even claim to offer a fix for behavioral issues. They only claim that IF you follow the 4 phases, you will lose and maintain. There are other resources besides this book. You're wise to be asking the questions ahead of time!

Mars, thanks for the suggestion. I think i will look into that book. I am hoping that IP will reset my brain and habits so I can have a different relationship with food, but extra support isn't a bad thing.

Do you think your binge was more psychological or biological? How do you deal with that now?

drd1961
02-20-2014, 07:03 PM
20 pound cat! I thought mine was big at 17 pounds!

Hang in there JanMarie. It will be so, so worth it!

mars735
02-21-2014, 02:15 AM
Mars, thanks for the suggestion. I think i will look into that book. I am hoping that IP will reset my brain and habits so I can have a different relationship with food, but extra support isn't a bad thing.

Do you think your binge was more psychological or biological? How do you deal with that now?

Good question! Maybe both. There was the biological urge that thought I was starving on my diet and so wanted to store up for future famines. (Kathryn Hansen in her book labels these urges 'neurological junk'). But also a conscious decision to throw caution to the wind and eat unrestrainedly. At that point part of it was to relieve the tension created by the urge, but part of it was also for the pleasure. The biological urge part of my brain is also masterful at coming up with rationalizations as to why it's a good idea to binge.

Boredom & stress also steer me toward food, not necessarily bingeing. Fortunately, the time on P1 provided for a lot of practice in recognizing & keeping my emotions from directing eating behavior.

Re bingeing, I would say forewarned is forearmed. I know the moment I start the rationalization of why I should mosey down to the cafeteria at work, or Costco at lunchtime (free samples), etc etc, I'm heading toward binge behavior. So, I either avoid getting into triggering situations or consciously decide it isn't worth the consequences of weight gain and sluggishness. It almost feels like using a muscle to do that sometimes. So far so good since reading the book.

Ruth Ann
02-21-2014, 08:03 AM
Love it Ruth Ann! It's so true: when I felt blue before I turned to food to comfort me. Now what?? LOL. And I find I can't eat when my nails are wet!! Your cat probably loves the added attention now ;)

I'm scared about maintenance. Once I taste carbs will I want to gorge myself on them?? I know, it's a ways away... I'm such a worry-wort!! Ha ha.

LOL - my cat is in heaven with the extra attention. Funny thing about cats, the more attention you give them, the more they want!

I lurk on the maintainers thread to get an idea of what's in store for me in the future. Those are some very wise people posting there! I've gotten tons of good ideas and tips from them.

20 pound cat! I thought mine was big at 17 pounds!

Hang in there JanMarie. It will be so, so worth it!

Yeah drd, he turned into a monster (in a good way). I didn't expect him to get so big (he weighed 1.5 lbs when we got him) but since we got him as a companion for the dog it's kind of nice he got so huge - they play rough!

Good question! Maybe both. There was the biological urge that thought I was starving on my diet and so wanted to store up for future famines. (Kathryn Hansen in her book labels these urges 'neurological junk'). But also a conscious decision to throw caution to the wind and eat unrestrainedly. At that point part of it was to relieve the tension created by the urge, but part of it was also for the pleasure. The biological urge part of my brain is also masterful at coming up with rationalizations as to why it's a good idea to binge.

Boredom & stress also steer me toward food, not necessarily bingeing. Fortunately, the time on P1 provided for a lot of practice in recognizing & keeping my emotions from directing eating behavior.

Re bingeing, I would say forewarned is forearmed. I know the moment I start the rationalization of why I should mosey down to the cafeteria at work, or Costco at lunchtime (free samples), etc etc, I'm heading toward binge behavior. So, I either avoid getting into triggering situations or consciously decide it isn't worth the consequences of weight gain and sluggishness. It almost feels like using a muscle to do that sometimes. So far so good since reading the book.

Where's the like button for this post? You are so right that the minute you start rationalizing why something would be okay to eat you are in dangerous territory. And the "determination muscle" truly gets stronger the more you exercise it!

mars735
02-21-2014, 10:09 AM
I lurk on the maintainers thread to get an idea of what's in store for me in the future. Those are some very wise people posting there! I've gotten tons of good ideas and tips from them.

It's a fine line between maintaining mode & losing mode on IP. I lurk on all the IP threads for the same reason you lurk on the maintainers, and your posts have helped me a lot. Looking forward to you adding your maintaining experience wisdom. Looks like you're practically there.

[QUOTE Where's the like button for this post? You are so right that the minute you start rationalizing why something would be okay to eat you are in dangerous territory. And the "determination muscle" truly gets stronger the more you exercise it![/QUOTE]

Thanks for the validation! :thanks: I like it too if I say so myself :D--in trying to respond to Jan-Marie's question, I realized that I need to get my mind on other things besides what I'm going to eat next. I can eat or think about eating literally all day long, even if it's IP veggies and pickles, lol! I think longer daylight will help, too. Grateful that spring is around the corner! :sunny:

JanMarie40
02-21-2014, 09:04 PM
It's fantastic that you are so self-aware Mars! I think that takes strength and determination and I'm really inspired. :)

I don't know if I spend too much time on social media sites but I really wish there was a "like" button for threads and posts too!!! LOL.

I totally agree that longer days will help! Already coming home at 5:30 it's still light and it's such a joy! Hopefully I'll have more energy with the sunlight, too. I went to the mall today and was completely wiped just moseying around.

I'm really glad I found this site - you guys are such great sources of information, inspiration and support! :D Thank you.