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RadaTwirl
01-31-2014, 08:09 PM
Hey guys, 3FC's resident teen here.

I've been on a 1400 calorie diet for almost a month now and I'm too scared to weigh myself, but I'm starting to notice small physical changes (sometimes I think it's my imagination but I'm sticking with this anyway)
I've been drinking lots of water all day, but the thing is that before I started this, I had a huge diet soda problem. I drank it like it was water and I'm sure it contributed to my weight gain.
I never enjoyed it for the "diet" part, but rather I prefer the flavor. (I'm a freak, I know!) It doesn't have the gross sugary film that gets stuck to your teeth and somehow tastes lighter.
Could I still occasionally drink it? Will it screw me up? I have a pretty good idea of what happens in your metabolism when you drink it, how your body expects sugar and gets no sugary kick and all that. But how bad are artificial sweeteners, really? If I have a 24 oz bottle one time over the weekend and maybe one or two 16oz glasses during the week, will it ruin my efforts?

Just looking for some opinions, thanks.


earthecho
01-31-2014, 09:36 PM
I say drink it and be observant of any changes. If it boosts your cravings, then you'll know to avoid it. Some people have trouble with it, others don't. I personally have zero probs with it.

diamondgeog
01-31-2014, 09:45 PM
Remain cold turkey for a few months. If you do diet drinks will taste like an undrinkable chemical soup. I couldn't believe I had ever drank and enjoyed it.

And yes diet sodas are bad news.

Most artificial sweetners have been found to possibly lead to cancer, mess up not only appetite, but possibly metabolism as well. People who drink diet sodas have larger waists.

This used to be thought that it was people with larger waists choose diet sodas. But now researchers think it might be the sodas contributing themselves. At minimum much better off not drinking them at all.


alaskanlaughter
01-31-2014, 10:11 PM
i think everyone reacts differently to diet soda...ive lost all my weight while still drinking it...it doesnt trigger cravings or overeating for me....just the opposite, it tastes like a treat and the bubbles fill me up so i don't overeat...i don't drink a ton of it but i definitely have them and it hasn't caused problems at all...however i DO think that others react differently and do what's best for your own body

RadaTwirl
01-31-2014, 10:26 PM
the bubbles fill me up

I totally agree with this and have noticed this as well.
Thank you for the input guys, I have no doubt been reducing my intake but I will see how my body reacts and will see if I feel that I should quit altogether.

novangel
02-01-2014, 01:23 PM
It is bad for you...besides being linked to cancer and alzhiemers, I won't even get into the dental aspect of it which I have seen first hand working chair side for 15 years. Some people had so much decay they needed partial dentures by 30.

Can you lose weight while still drinking it? Sure. Can you have one once in a while? Sure. Drink it excessively? My personal opinion is no.

Also, some people get a false sense of security by drinking diet soda because it's zero cals and wind up compensating with food. It can be very counterproductive.

Everything in moderation. Just my 2 cents.

Arctic Mama
02-01-2014, 05:45 PM
How bad is diet soda? Not very. Especially if we're talking statistically significantly demonstrable harm.

Your mileage may vary. But a can every day or two has hurt neither my health nor my weight loss. And it is certainly a wiser choice than full sugar soda.

Chardonnay
02-01-2014, 05:49 PM
Diet soda is bad for me because it gives me terrible heartburn and headaches, that could be linked to my intolerance of sweeteners. Splenda and Sugar Twin used to give me the same problems. Oh, it also makes my face break out...zits at age 45 is just not acceptable to me! Well, I'm not fond of even regular soda because of the sugar content. That's not to say I wouldn't drink it if I could though, but sparingly. It's nice to have a soda now and then.

mbelle99
02-01-2014, 06:32 PM
I've never had an adverse affect from diet soda (that I have known of...), but I recently decided to try to give it up. If you want an alternative to substitute for flavor, you might try herbal tea blends (both iced and hot). If you want the bubbles, add in some club soda for carbonation. Just a thought....

Jaymie77
02-01-2014, 07:03 PM
I loved soda, both regular and diet. Loved it. 3 weeks ago I quit both, along with white sugar, white bread, etc..... I'm not sure if it's a mixture of giving up all of these, but I could not feel better!!
Probably for me, if I have soda once in awhile, I'd get back into drinking it all the time. If you can handle having it once in awhile, then go ahead! Moderation's the key!!

justbegin
02-16-2014, 07:10 AM
Please stay away from diet soda!! :-(

Aspartame (artificial sweetener) is KNOWN to be a neurotoxin, which means it's literally toxic to your brain - like poison. And the carbonation that produces the bubbles in soda makes the drink acidic - not enough to burn you, but enough to put your body into a slightly acidic state if you drink enough of it. PLEASE check the research on this. It's a known fact that cancer cells can't grow in a body that's in an alkaline state, so everyone should think very hard about drinking anything that's acidic.

For your own health, avoid diet soda like the plague! :-)

Arctic Mama
02-16-2014, 10:12 PM
Please stay away from diet soda!! :-(

Aspartame (artificial sweetener) is KNOWN to be a neurotoxin, which means it's literally toxic to your brain - like poison. And the carbonation that produces the bubbles in soda makes the drink acidic - not enough to burn you, but enough to put your body into a slightly acidic state if you drink enough of it. PLEASE check the research on this. It's a known fact that cancer cells can't grow in a body that's in an alkaline state, so everyone should think very hard about drinking anything that's acidic.

For your own health, avoid diet soda like the plague! :-)

Please do provide reliable support for these assertions, that a measured, label-indicated use of aspartame has any of the causal, deleterious effects you have mentioned. Do, also, substantiate the assertion than acidic food and drinks cannot be tolerated in a healthy body, or that drinking enough of it will change your blood chemistry.

I'd be very interested to see some respected sources for this information, because I've seen plenty of research to the contrary. Dietary mythology is hard to combat without data.

Sakai
02-17-2014, 12:04 AM
I've heard about everything Justbegin has posted above.

Really all you have to do is Google Aspartame symptoms to get a laundry list of issues the sweetener will do to various people.

Personally I don't drink it because i get migraines. I mean massive, beating your head with a rock, wanting to cause yourself physical harm just to distract you from the obvious crack that is forming along your skull kind of head aches...and they last up to two days for me. ....so yeah, Not rocket science that my body will not tolerate diet soda.

Most symptoms are never that bad, they can be as small as a slight dizziness.

Personally I don't drink anything that's not water or tea (unsweetened) However, I will have a full sugar soda ever so often....and by ever so often I mean once every 6-8 weeks.

I do drink homemade lemon and limeade. I add my own sugar to it because I like it more on the sour side.

SearchingForMe
02-17-2014, 02:54 AM
I don't think I've ever heard anything good about soda in general, let alone about diet soda. I know some people like the taste of diet, but I do think it comes down to personal responsibility and balance. If you decide to stop drinking soda altogether but replace it with hyped up sugary drinks you're still not doing yourself any favors and are just swapping one thing that's probably not good for you for something else that's not as good for you. Personally, I canNOT stand anything with Splenda in it. I realize it's supposed to be a sugar derivative and therefor the "best" tasting and "best" option out there but I just can't stand it. It tastes nothing like sugar to me and I get massive headaches within 5 mins of eating/drinking Splenda items. That knocks out a fair amount of diet drinks in general for me even if I wanted to have them.

The most negative stuff I've read and heard about with diet sodas usually revolves around blood sugar problems, caffeine and acidity. You're essentially feeding yourself empty calories and for at least a portion of the population, their body has a negative reaction to it. I've never been a diet soda drinker, but on the occasion it was on sale at my grocer I would get maybe Diet Dr. Pepper because it tasted better to me than some of the options and didn't have Splenda. Recently though I've cut out ALL soda, and I feel better for it. The biggest hurdle was the caffeine because I was drinking too much of it, so I switched to a caffeine free soda like 7UP for a week, so I would "fool" myself with the carbonation. I did have headaches for a few days but they went away. Now I make different teas or lemonade, maybe have a nice glass of orange juice or just water. I noticed a big difference not just in how my energy levels were different but the way my body functioned all around.

Ultimately it comes down to what you want and what you feel comfortable with. There can be all kinds of anecdotal evidence or otherwise but you still have to make the decision that you feel best about. I'd say in all though.. moderation!

Arctic Mama
02-17-2014, 02:58 AM
Sakai - Googling is hardly authoritative, especially when a layperson is the one doing the interpreting, and often without a sufficient frame of reference for what they're even looking at, if it is source data. If not, then you're wading through the biases of secondary or even tertiary voices.

If you personally don't drink diet sodas that's your choice - but representing anecdote as data when the data is to the contrary is where I have a beef. Anecdote has value, especially relating to diet and health, but wild-eyed broad brushing of things as deleterious when evidence doesn't bear that out in any substantive way is a big issue on boards like this and does nothing but confuse the issues and keep myths persisting.

PatLib
02-17-2014, 06:54 AM
I would just give up all soda. Honestly, it is just empty calories. No fiber, vitamins, etc. and all you have to do is look on the back of the label for your proof for that. Food is fuel for body I just don't see what sort of fuel soda would give that has positive benefits.

That being said, I drink regular soda and have that fake buttery popcorn at the movies occasionally. You only live once so a little indulgence isn't so horrible! :)

It should be noted that FDA and American Cancer Society have no negative causes to drinking Aspartame that doesn't mean it's good for you there is just no evidence either.

Larry H
02-17-2014, 08:59 AM
Sakai - Googling is hardly authoritative, especially when a layperson is the one doing the interpreting, and often without a sufficient frame of reference for what they're even looking at, if it is source data. If not, then you're wading through the biases of secondary or even tertiary voices.

If you personally don't drink diet sodas that's your choice - but representing anecdote as data when the data is to the contrary is where I have a beef. Anecdote has value, especially relating to diet and health, but wild-eyed broad brushing of things as deleterious when evidence doesn't bear that out in any substantive way is a big issue on boards like this and does nothing but confuse the issues and keep myths persisting.

I am in full agreement with Artic Mama. I do Google for medical info. The internet is full of misinformation and self proclaimed experts. With that in mind I discount all medical internet information except for that received first hand from well known and respected institutions such as The Mayo Clinic, The Cleveland Clinic, The American Heart Association, etc;. Sometimes even the respected institutions disagree with each other on a particular topic. In that case I let the majority opinion obtained from these institutions guide me. I fully understand that the information still has a chance of being wrong, but I feel I have the best chance for accurate information this way. Much better than a web site from someone or some institution that I have never heard of who claims to be a subject authority.

Personally I still drink diet soda in moderation and I extensively use artificial sweeteners in my recipes. My DW is Diabetic and cooking without sugar has resulted in much better blood sugar readings for her.

dstalksalot
02-17-2014, 11:52 AM
I've been drinking stevia soda lately. I'm not sure if it's any better than the alternative but I like the flavor a bit more.

Vex
02-17-2014, 12:23 PM
I won't debate the health aspects of it as I'm not informed enough to do so.

In regards to weight loss, however, I lost 100 lbs while drinking diet soda the entire time, so it is possible to lose weight while drinking it.

I have heard that some people say the sweetness of it makes you crave food more, but I haven't found that to be true in my case. It's different for everyone I suppose.

mars735
02-17-2014, 12:49 PM
I don't have the source to cite here but I have heard repeatedly that the minerals in diet soda, i think phosphorous, can cause your bones to lose calcium. That will happen naturally as you age and possibly if you have kids, but when it does, it's best to have maximal bone density as a baseline.

As for googling, I tend to put credibility on a .edu website as it's usually an academic institution. Second .org, which tends to be non-profit. .com is commercial and take any health or science info with a giant grain of salt. In fact I don't read these except for entertainment. They are often based on identical rumors and have a profit motive.

shcirerf
02-18-2014, 12:48 AM
Don't drink diet soda, it's empty calories?:dizzy: It's 0 calories.

30 years ago, I was told, that if I kept drinking diet soda, I'd be pre pickled!

I'm still here!

It's a choice.

I drink 3 cups of coffee in the morning, and I drink 3, 12 oz cans of diet Pepsi everyday. 2 over a 5 hour morning at work, and one, late in the day.

Those 2 things make me happy and work for me.

You can whine and moan and groan all you want about the artificial sweetner. Go ahead.

Have you thought about taking a look about some of the other junk you eat?

Do you eat Lean Cusine? Do you eat WW smart ones? What about all those wonderful "power bars?" Protein shakes?

For the most part, my diet, thankfully I can raise most of my own, has little preservatives, or additives, non GMO, heirloom veg, working on fruit, my meat is hormone free.

So, if I want a cup of coffee (I do prefer the good organic stuff) or a diet soda. I'm good with that. :D

aeliz24
02-18-2014, 09:26 PM
If you want an alternative to substitute for flavor, you might try herbal tea blends (both iced and hot). If you want the bubbles, add in some club soda for carbonation. Just a thought....

Yes! I used to work at a tea shop and I would do this. Get a nice fruity herbal tea (I prefer one without hibiscus because it is so tart that you have to add sugar to make it decent tasting), steep 2-3 tbsp in about 1/3 cup of boiling water, pour over cup full of ice, fill rest of cup with club soda. If I wanted a bit more sweetness I would add rock sugar. Even a couple individual rocks is enough to make it sweet. If you want a stronger flavour don't put as much water in.

mariposssa
02-18-2014, 09:47 PM
What you've "heard " and read on google are not "well known facts." At best it is hearsay at worst it can be bold faced lies. I occasionally drink diet drinks. I have lost a significant amount of weight. I try to limit it diet soda to a couple times a week or at most every other day. I cant really say it is good for me; but I have never seen any substantial proof that it is harmful, cancer causing or increases appetite. There have been studies...each one that makes these claims is balanced out by another that found the exact opposite. Try it on a limited basis and see how it affects you.

TamTam
02-18-2014, 11:01 PM
I have gone without diet drinks for a few weeks and when I drank it the other day I did not care for it.

mars735
02-19-2014, 12:38 AM
http://www.dukehealth.org/health_library/health_articles/diet_soda
Bones of Contention
The claim: Diet sodas may increase your risk of osteoporosis.
There’s no validity to the old claim that the carbonation in soda somehow robs the body of calcium, but all colas and some other types of sodas contain the flavoring agent phosphoric acid, a substance that may account for soda’s link to an increased risk of osteoporosis. A 2009 study showed an association between regular intake of colas and negative effects on bone.
“This is not an area that is rife with evidence,” says Duke osteoporosis specialist Thomas Weber, MD. “We need more studies, but so far the data show that an excessive intake of carbonated beverages, especially cola, appears to have somewhat of a detrimental effect on bone health. There is potentially a biological basis: if the increased acid load from soda exceeds what the kidneys can take on, the body looks to other buffers, so bone is tapped as well.”
The body may attempt to neutralize the excess acid by using calcium culled from the bones.
That theory is far from proven, though, Weber notes. The relationship between cola and bone could be from displacement -- devoted soda drinkers may not be getting enough bone-strengthening nutrients such as calcium and vitamin D if they’re not drinking milk, for example.

Arctic Mama
02-19-2014, 04:51 PM
Stop it with your logic and evidence, Mars! Don't you know that's not appreciated here!? :lol:

mars735
02-19-2014, 05:29 PM
Stop it with your logic and evidence, Mars! Don't you know that's not appreciated here!? :lol:

I'm dreading the day I read the bad news about Mio--evidence-based of course!:lol:

Sum38
02-19-2014, 05:38 PM
Aspartame messes up with my stomach. So I can not stomach any diet drinks (pun intended ;)).

I believe eating and drinking everything natural. I have a feeling all these fake foods will be banned at some point.

Arctic Mama
02-19-2014, 09:40 PM
I'm dreading the day I read the bad news about Mio--evidence-based of course!:lol:

I do love my Mio. And it makes great Popsicles and sodas - I frequently add it to a can of club soda/sparkling water for a treat.

kimmieval
02-20-2014, 12:16 PM
I used diet sodas to lose weight the first time around. However I find that they do make me sick and I am allergic/responsive to Aspartame as that aggravates my joint pains and swellings as well as gives me a nasty headache. I cannot say that they are bad for everyone but I have learnt to leave them alone.

jillybean2014
02-20-2014, 12:48 PM
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Diet soda is really bad news. Yes the sweetners but the carbonation can literally rot your stomach. I am a nurse and one dr I work with in my hospital, who is a leading stomach specialist called it rat poison. I work at the Cleveland clinic. We are just finding out things today and I think in the future it might lead us to why cancer is on the rise and it will be a major culprit.

Radiojane
02-20-2014, 12:49 PM
People get extremely defensive over diet pop. Wow.

Without getting bogged down in a "science' cat fight - to the OP's question: You really need to figure out if you still want it and if you can tolerate it. You may find that you've lost the taste for it. If you haven't - every thing in moderation works for many people.

I don't mind the Zevia drinks, although they do have a few calories and carbs. (They're sweetened with Stevia). I have one every once in a blue moon or as a mix if I'm going to drink hard liquor. You may also look into Soda stream machines. We have one, and I rarely use the mixes. I just carbonate the water when I want something bubbly and add some green tea or strawberries. I used to drink a HUGE amount of regular soda, and I've lost the taste for it. I stick to green tea and water.

This is anecdotal, but I really believe (and I was backed up by a few of his physicians) that my father's 4 liter a day diet pepsi habit contributed to his stroke and final health problems. That being said, that's an excessive amount of anything for anyone, and he had other issues, so it's hardly conclusive.

At the end of the day it's a chemical. And I go out of my way not to put chemicals in my body. (including lean cuisines and tv dinners). I feel better and lose better eating meat, vegetables and a little dark chocolate, but there are 100 people here that have had a diet soda a day or more and have lost and maintained.

Trust your body.

LebenAlles
02-24-2014, 07:34 PM
I didn't dig through all of the studies listed here but saw it while reading another article and remembered this thread.

http://aspartame.mercola.com/sites/aspartame/studies.aspx

Waterbunny77
02-28-2014, 11:35 PM
Unfortunately I drink diet soda like water, I love the stuff :dizzy: but I know it has chemicals. It's like having my coffee daily, if I cut the diet soda out with the diet, I don't think I could make it.

mars735
02-28-2014, 11:41 PM
Unfortunately I drink diet soda like water, I love the stuff :dizzy: but I know it has chemicals. It's like having my coffee daily, if I cut the diet soda out with the diet, I don't think I could make it.

If it's helping you to get to a healthy weight, maybe it's worth it to enjoy for now. I doubt I could have lost weight without all the additive-laden crutches like Mio water flavoring, Walden Farms dressings and sauces, etc. I made a deal with myself that I could enjoy them temporarily without worry. Now I am gradually tapering off those things. But if you you are finding it triggers cravings for junk food or stalling weight loss, it might be a good idea to abstain and watch what happens.

Waterbunny77
02-28-2014, 11:51 PM
If it's helping you to get to a healthy weight, maybe it's worth it to enjoy for now. I doubt I could have lost weight without all the additive-laden crutches like Mio water flavoring, Walden Farms dressings and sauces, etc. I made a deal with myself that I could enjoy them temporarily without worry. Now I am gradually tapering off those things. But if you you are finding it triggers cravings for junk food or stalling weight loss, it might be a good idea to abstain and watch what happens.

Thanks Mars!

josiegarden
03-04-2014, 08:03 PM
amen!

Mer du Japon
03-04-2014, 10:30 PM
I couldn't seem to drop weight while having a daily coke zero habit. I cut out diet soda completely-went cold turkey-and dropped 18 lbs in a month. That was over a year and a half ago and to this day, I only drink sparkling water. Cravings for soda disappeared just a couple of weeks after eliminating it from my diet.

Occheermommy
03-05-2014, 03:36 AM
I will be honest I love diet coke. I have gone years without it and when I drank it again it was like "oh hello old friend" there is just nothing that tastes the same to me. I have heard all the hype and while I question many of the scientific sources I do believe that all of the "fake" foods we eat in the modern diet are the source off all the allergies, intolerances, and issues we see now. We also need to remember that people are living longer and we have better diagnostics so there is more opportunity to find out what is wrong and put a label on it where as 100 years ago people just got sick or died.
The bottom line is chemicals are not good for us. We don't eat the way our bodies are evolved to eat. Unless u can adopt a full organic paleo style diet then u are doing things that your body was not designed to do. If you can that's great. I know I couldn't. I love food too much. I need a diet I can live with. I am doing well on my carb cycle plan but I just started. Diet soda is a treat for me and I know it does not change the way I feel when I don't have it because I have eliminated it on 4 occasions in my life from 6 weeks to 2.5 years. It is just my favorite drink. Nothing quenches my thrust the same. I wish I could lose my taste for it but I can't.
So I have a bet going with my daughter that I must stop for 1 month starting tomorrow. Wish me luck. It's going to be hard.
In the end I agree with other posters to watch the sites you view as facts.
As for the OP if it makes u happy and you can keep up with moderation, I can't, then do what works for you. There are so many worse things you could do. As long as it isn't making you sick then go for it.

kaplods
03-05-2014, 11:11 AM
The consequences associated with diet soda and low calorie sweeteners are fewer and less severe than for the use of many household products we take for granted as being necessary (but are not), such as; room and carpet fresheners and deodorizers, liquid fabric softeners and dryer sheets, colognes and other fagrances, oven cleaners, disinfectants and other household cleansers, cosmetics, using plastic food and beverage containers (even those that are bpa free, and not just those used in the microwave or for storage of acidic foods, though those are the worst).

Eating food grilled over wood and/or charcoal (not to mention the smoke itself) is known to be more dangerous than artificial sweeteners.

Even wearing shoes with more than a 1" heel is associated with greater risks than artificial sweeteners.

Giving up or reducing use of artificial sweeteners isn't a bad idea, but in many cases it's like smoking, drinking and abusing other drugs heavily while operating heavy machinery and deciding to give up coffee. It can't hurt, but I would argue that it makes more sense to get rid of the most dangerous habits first.

We don't hear much about many of these other risks, but many of them we do, and simple ignore because it's inconvenient to do so. It's become pretty much common knowledge that the smoke and charring caused by smoking, grilling, and broiling meat (and perhaps even vegetables) are carcinogenic, but that knowledge doesn't seem to inhibit summer barbecues.

I have to admit that I'd rather give up diet soda than my summer barbecues, but I have no illusions that they're safer.

I have gotten rid of most household cleaners and fragrances though, and am currently have replaced most of my plastic food storage and beverage containerd with glass. I wear cologne and cosmetics extremely rarely, and wear sensible, comfortable shoes.

mars735
03-05-2014, 11:59 AM
Thanks Mars!

You are welcome Waterbunny. Hope you'll keep us posted!

A PS: I've posted this elsewhere, but it seems relevant here: I've been hanging onto Mio water flavoring. Some posters provided info that scientists think even artificial sweeteners can trigger sweet cravings and release of insulin (fat storage hormone & involved in hunger sensation). Apparently this can happen when anything sweet-tasting hits the tongue. So I decided it's time to start tapering these things off. *However they got me through the period of weight loss.

Jenny222
03-06-2014, 12:38 PM
I stopped drinking all sugar drinks and now just drink water =) works great for me!

JohnP
03-06-2014, 01:59 PM
A PS: I've posted this elsewhere, but it seems relevant here: I've been hanging onto Mio water flavoring. Some posters provided info that scientists think even artificial sweeteners can trigger sweet cravings and release of insulin (fat storage hormone & involved in hunger sensation). Apparently this can happen when anything sweet-tasting hits the tongue.

Regarding insulin release this is true in some people however the amount is not significant. This is a case of headlines over substance. There are reasons one might not choose to drink diet soda at all but insulin shouldn't be one of them in my opinion.

bitetoobreakkskin
03-06-2014, 02:24 PM
well this has been an entertaining and slightly informative thread to read :)

xRiotGirl
03-06-2014, 05:26 PM
I couldn't seem to drop weight while having a daily coke zero habit. I cut out diet soda completely-went cold turkey-and dropped 18 lbs in a month. Cravings for soda disappeared just a couple of weeks after eliminating it from my diet.

This is pretty much my experience. Now, what I also have to say for myself is that once I stopped drinking it and switched to only water and my morning coffee, I felt like I had greater control over my weight loss efforts, so that might contribute to my loss. And obviously that wouldn't be a universal reaction to dropping diet soda. Just looking at this thread the responses are all over the place, so I'd say be your own judge.