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davina
12-25-2013, 06:16 AM
Ive drastically reduced calories and haven't binged the last 6 days and the scale has moved maybe 1/2 a pound. Reduced carbs way down. I havent tried to lose weight in at least 3 years but from what I remember the more you have to lose the weight should just fly off in beginning. to be hungry AND not losing makes me feel like screaming, crying and giving up.


IsobelRose22
12-25-2013, 07:27 AM
It sounds hard to believe but you may be eating too few calories. I used to be your weight and I found that when I went below 1500 or so the weight just wouldn't budge, I lost most of my weight eating about 1600/1700 cals per day with exercise 3xper week. keep going with low carb but maybe include some snacks i.e nuts, fruit, vegetable crudités and low fat dip. As you get lighter your body needs less calories to function as it does when you are a higher weight. I hope this helps, good luck with everything and keep us posted :)

seagirl
12-25-2013, 08:50 AM
You are in a marathon, not a sprint. Breathe, make a plan, and stick to it. Weigh once a week. If it starts going up a few weeks in a row, reevaluate your plan. If it is going down slowly, you are on the right track. Cutting back on things drastically to see a giant drop is just going to lead to being hungrier later and possibly seeing the weight go back up.

I am losing about a 1/2 pound a week. That's 25 pounds by the end of the year. I'm pretty excited about that.

You have a long ways to go, take it easy, make a plan you can live with and just keep going.


KatMarie
12-25-2013, 09:19 AM
How many calories are you eating and are you sure you're being accurate? I used to measure and weigh everything. Are you exercising hard? Sore muscles will retain a lot of fluid.

Mrs Snark
12-25-2013, 10:01 AM
You are in a marathon, not a sprint. Breathe, make a plan, and stick to it.

Perfectly put!

And KatMarie -- you look terrific, your photos are so inspiring!

gardenerjoy
12-25-2013, 10:17 AM
davina: another possibility is that you haven't reduced your calories as much as you think. When I was binging, what I ate without the binges was pretty much maintenance calories. Stopping the binges halted the gain, but I didn't start to really lose until I started counting and measuring at least some things.

It was a marathon for me -- I took two years to lose 70 pounds. But I'm so happy to be here now, no matter how long it took. I went from being in pain most days, to hardly ever having pain. It's worth it.

Are you following a plan of some kind? That can be so helpful in helping you get the right amounts and in getting the maximum nutrition from your food. If you like the lower carbs, you might try South Beach. There's an active support group for that here on 3FC.

worththeeffort2
12-25-2013, 10:33 AM
It sounds like your body has gone into starvation mode. Try using a free online metabolic calculator to determine how many calories you should be consuming daily to lose, let's say 2 pounds per week, then take some time to plan how to spread those calories out into three meals and two snacks eaten at 3 hour intervals, daily. This will help prevent you from feeling hungry and spread the caloric intake out evenly over the day.

If you're going low carb, up your intake of lean protein so your body isn't digesting your muscle mass. You'll need those muscles to increase your metabolism and increase your fat burn as you begin exercising regularly. Another option to consider, if you really, really like vegetables, is to check out the Eat to Live diet program by Dr. Joel Fuhrman. I lost 17 pounds in six weeks when I did that program but I couldn't maintain it because I'm not a big fan of vegetables.

Right now, I'm doing a medically supervised weight loss program using nutrimed protein bars that need to be prescribed by the bariatric doctor. I've lost about 25 pounds in 8 weeks on this program. My weight loss is accelerating as I increase my exercise levels.

Just a couple of thoughts.

amandie
12-25-2013, 12:40 PM
Worththeeffort- Starvation mode is a myth. And I might be inclined to agree with you only if the OP was like 80-90lbs with no fat and STARVING as in eating nothing at all... At OP's current weight and since she's still eating, that won't happen.

Sorry, Getting off my soapbox now, just irks me when people try to continue the starvation mode myth.

shcirerf
12-26-2013, 12:14 AM
We could be more helpful, if you would let us know the plan you are following.

Give us a journal of your food for the last 6 days.

As someone very wise above said, this is a marathon, not a sprint.

Figuring out what exactly works for each of us requires, patience, and tracking of our food, moods, stress, life, etc., and weigh ins, and evaluating, what is and is not working.

This is a great trial and error process, and while not each and everything will, or will not work for each of us, with patience, we can find what works for the individual.

One phrase I hold dear to. There is no failure, only feed back!

Track, journal, blog whatever, if A isn't working, move on to B or C or whatever works. The key is keeping track in some form another, and learning from the information!:hug:

Arctic Mama
12-26-2013, 01:46 AM
Screaming isn't useful. Giving us more dietary details and taking a deep breath or three would be much more productive :)

davina
12-26-2013, 02:05 AM
I really appreciate the replies.
I gorged myself today, can't even last a week. I don't know who I was kidding thinking I can control this after 25 years of binging and overeating. This is a last attempt before seriously looking into vertical sleeve surgery.

For example one day was (my schedule is erratic so not always typical breakast/lunch/dinner}
-a creamy (cauliflower/cheddar) medium size soup for lunch about 250 cals
-2nd meal tuna salad with mayo/mustard/relish/carrots/onions NO BREAD
-last meal grilled chicken buffalo snack wrap from mcdonalds
-snack handful of almonds(handful) and yogurt
-Cold cappuchino from coffee shop (250 cals)

Another day was:
-spinach feta wrap from starbucks
-soap for lunch(creamy tomato)
-dinner was a blt cobb salad from wendys with one dressing
-snack almonds (handful) and yogurt
-cold cappucino from coffee shop(250 cals)

Diet pepsi for drinks.

shr1nk1ngme
12-26-2013, 02:36 AM
Worththeeffort- Starvation mode is a myth.

Starvation mode is not a myth.

I have had an Eating Disorder in the past and I can tell you it is totally possible to eat 350 calories a day, <15 carbs a day, exercise 8+ hours a week, be 150 pounds, 5'2" and lose almost no weight for weeks at a time. I was STARVING, living on vitamin pills, metamucil, a single scrambled egg and a daily protein shake, and still only losing 1/2 pound a week. ~ In spite of 60 minutes on the elliptical four times a week plus daily one hour walks with the dog. No one would have believed I was anorexic because I wasn't a stick figure. I think I could have gone on for a few years like that before I actually started to look like a stick, but it would have been the worst torture.

When I ran the numbers, my software told me I had the metabolism of a 100 year old woman on permanent bed rest. My max daily calories to maintain was 650. Any more and I would GAIN. Seriously. I still struggle with a very low metabolism even though my thyroid and bloodwork is normal.

The solution is increased calories, a low-carb diet, good quality protein, and serious weight training. It builds your metabolism.

worththeeffort2
12-26-2013, 10:21 AM
Worththeeffort- Starvation mode is a myth.

The ultimate point of my post is that there are healthier methods of weight loss than dramatic calorie reduction. Excessive calorie restriction without looking at using a balanced approach can ultimately be damaging to both the body and psyche--like reaching the point you want to scream in frustration.

There are a lot of free resources available online now to assist with finding a balanced diet and exercise program. MyFitnessPal and SparkPeople are two sites that jump to mind immediately. Eat to Live is not free but has an MD doing the oversight and has a very strong focus on building a healthy lifestyle.

The most important thing any of us can do is to not lose hope and search until we find what works for us, individually. For me, personally, that was to finally get into a medically supervised program where I must be accountable to the doctor. This means, I get called on efforts to calorie restrict. I answer to not exercising, etc. The reward is that I'm steadily losing weight in a healthy way for the first time in my life. That's what has finally clicked for me. Davina, I hope you find what works for you, too.

gardenerjoy
12-26-2013, 11:26 AM
davina: I'm a librarian, so I recommend the books by Judith Beck to help you stick to a diet -- even on Christmas! Well, with some special additions for special days, but well under control.

Given that you're eating fast food and soups, it may take more than six days to see a result because you're still getting lots of sodium. If you have no choice but to eat pre-prepared foods then I have another book to recommend: The Thin Commandments by Stephen Gullo.

If you can manage some food preparation at home and you like the low carb idea, you might try South Beach. There are lots of books for that and also a very active support group here at 3FC: http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/south-beach-diet-110/

pixelllate
12-26-2013, 11:26 AM
I wouldn't worry unless its been like 3 weeks - 6 days is a super small stall. Also, the binge that you did on the 7th day will also mask whatever loss you may have had.

Maybe experiment with various ways of eating/calorie amounts until you find something that you can stick with for at least a few weeks and before looking for any movement on the scale. Easier said than done, but so worth it!

Don't be too hard on yourself! I woulda overeaten too if I ate such little food =D
I would replace that cappuccino with more vegetables/protein in my meals for more solid food. Yogurt for some reason makes me hungrier (but that could just be me).

Arctic Mama
12-26-2013, 12:52 PM
I agree with both the Judith Beck recommendation and low carb. Seriously. Nothing helps regain dietary control like understanding what's going on behind it and nourishing your body sufficiently with the building blocks it needs. I cannot tell you how many cravings I've had for more food or more junky food have been answered by a serving of seaweed (micronutrients, sodium, and yum) and a chicken thigh with a little mayo (fat and protein).

JohnP
12-26-2013, 01:13 PM
Starvation mode is not a myth.

I have had an Eating Disorder in the past and I can tell you it is totally possible to eat 350 calories a day, <15 carbs a day, exercise 8+ hours a week, be 150 pounds, 5'2" and lose almost no weight for weeks at a time. I was STARVING, living on vitamin pills, metamucil, a single scrambled egg and a daily protein shake, and still only losing 1/2 pound a week. ~ In spite of 60 minutes on the elliptical four times a week plus daily one hour walks with the dog. No one would have believed I was anorexic because I wasn't a stick figure. I think I could have gone on for a few years like that before I actually started to look like a stick, but it would have been the worst torture.

When I ran the numbers, my software told me I had the metabolism of a 100 year old woman on permanent bed rest. My max daily calories to maintain was 650. Any more and I would GAIN. Seriously. I still struggle with a very low metabolism even though my thyroid and bloodwork is normal.

The solution is a low-carb diet, good quality protein, and serious weight training. It builds your metabolism.

This is not evidence of starvation mode. This is evidence of water retention.

The idea that the body can slow the metabolism down to the point where it doesn't utilize fat storage and holds onto everything we eat is known as "starvation mode". There is no mechanism for our bodies to create energy from sunshine, or some other source. It has to get energy from fat storage or breaking down muscle on the body. The energy needs of the body will be met, one way or another.

No offense, but you're completely wrong that "starvation mode" exists. The body can slow down the metabolism but only by so much.

JohnP
12-26-2013, 01:22 PM
I really appreciate the replies.
I gorged myself today, can't even last a week. I don't know who I was kidding thinking I can control this after 25 years of binging and overeating. This is a last attempt before seriously looking into vertical sleeve surgery.

I'm not going to give you a lot of advice because I'm not any kind of expert when it comes to binge eating except this ... if you don't solve the underlying problem which is prompting the binging then surgery will only be a temporary solution.

gymrat05
12-27-2013, 01:38 AM
Losing half a pound in 6 days is not a stall. You are losing, just slowly. That's an important distinction so keep that in mind when you have weeks like this, the scale is still going down. As someone who deals with disordered eating (and has for years) I've found having that mentality is really helpful (i.e.: a loss is a loss and the scale is going in the right direction instead of I'm supposed to lose 2lbs this week and if I don't my plan isn't working.)

Also consider water fluctuations throughout the week as they could make the scale fluctuate day to day so in reality your actual loss may be different than half a pound.

Your calories seem low which will not help if you have issues binging. Following an extremely restrictive diet is setting you up for a binge. I guarantee it. If you constantly feel unsatisfied and hungry you will binge often and your weight will either stay the same or get worse. You'd be better off having very slow weight loss on a plan that doesn't feel so exhaustive to avoid a diet/binge cycle.

In addition to what everyone else mentioned, it also seems like you have quite a bit of sodium in your diet. Even low calorie choices can be high in salt, especially if they're from fast food restaurants. Salt will cause some crazy water weight fluctuations that can really throw the scale off. I would track your sodium for a day or two and just see where it's at so you have an idea of how much you're taking in.

yoyoma
01-12-2014, 07:44 PM
There are lots of factors that affect the number you see on the scale. Hormones (e. g. ovulation and pre-mentrual), sodium, exercise, and the amount of undigested food can easily cause the scale to swing 5 pounds or more. At the rate I lose, that means I could be making solid progress for over a month and not even see it on the scale.

What usually happens, though, is that the numbers are choppy. Over the course of a month, sometimes it will look like I'm losing quickly and other times it will look like I'm gaining, if I just compare recent numbers. It's only after I've been working at it for a few months that I can see a solid trend.

This is a huge frustration for dieters and I've often longed for some highly accurate measure of the amount of energy stored in my fat rather than having to rely upon the weight that happens to be associated with my body at the moment.

To lose weight successfully, most people have to get used to slow and irregular progress on the scale. I know it doesn't seem fair to deprive yourself and struggle and see so little return. But over the long run it is really worth it. I think it generally gets easier after the first few weeks when things are more routine (though after a longer while, you might hit a stall and need to mix things up again).

Don't give up now! Fall down nine times, get up ten. I think that on average smokers quit something like seven times before they succeed. I don't know how often people try to lose weight, but I've been up and down a lot. Luckily, in recent years I have been able to reverse course before reaching my old highs. I am still looking for a WOE that will suit me permanently.

diamondgeog
01-12-2014, 08:34 PM
I know I use 'low carb' a lot. And that means a certain way of eating. Avoiding bread and pasta, junk food, processed food a lot, and carb heavy snacks. But I do eat veggies and some fruit. Probably more veggies now then when I hovered around 300. But I call it 'low carb'.

I think 'starvation mode' people mean metabolism slowing. From everything I have heard that can and does happen.

Never give up. Find what works for you. It is out there.

Vex
01-13-2014, 11:26 AM
You mentioned that this is your last real attempt before looking into weight loss surgery.

I have not had WLS but did look into it. From what I understand they will ask you to diet before you have the surgery which is to show that you can stick to a diet. Surgery won't give you the freedom or willpower to stick to a diet, and you'll likely be even more restricted as to what you can eat than what you are now. It might be worthwhile to check out the WLS section of this forum to decide if it's truly for you.

In regards to your diet now, I'd recommend logging the calories of everything down if you don't already. Sometimes we tend to overestimate the count of everything. For example, one of your sandwiches had mayo. How much mayo? That alone could have been a few hundred calories.

My goal has been to stay between 1200 - 1500 calories this entire time and would not be able to do so unless I specifically looked everything up and logged it.

I'm pretty sure everyone here has had a day when they completely lost it and ate everything in sight. The key to losing weight is not to let that day/week/month make you quit. Just keep going.

Locke
01-13-2014, 05:46 PM
Your diet has a TON of sodium in it- I'm not surprised that you haven't lost much weight; you are probably retaining water because of the salt. You seem to be very uncomfortable and it's probably because you're actually consuming too few calories. Remember that weight loss is a long term change. You should be comfortable enough with how much you are eating to do it for months and years. The fact that you want to scream and give up after less than a week makes me suspect that you aren't being kind enough to yourself and eating enough.

I have a lot of weight to lose, too. Right now I'm eating 2500 calories per day. I have eaten as few as 1200 calories a day to maximize weight loss, but it is ultimately not sustainable. Set modest goals and listen to your body. You shouldn't be feeling like you're going crazy. Also remember that patience is a virtue.

LiannaKole
01-14-2014, 12:00 AM
I agree with several other posters. 1/2 a pound lost is NOT an indication of how much fat you've lost. Even if you'd been down 6 lbs in six days, it's still NOT an indication of how much fat you've lost. When we lose weight, the daily fluctuations up and down on the scale reflect water weight. If after months and months there is a downward trend in your weight, THAT indicates fat loss. So I wouldn't worry too much about daily fluctuations.

Also, I agree that you are eating a lot of sodium (you're consuming a lot of very processed foods, like the fast food and any prepackaged food). That will make you retain a lot of water, probably several pounds. You could be losing fat and not see it on the scale for some time.

Also, from what I've read, WLS is not the easy way out. It is difficult, and you'll have to alter how you eat forever (much like non-WLS weight loss). It's not a fix-all, and it takes a lot of work. There's no magic bullet for weight loss. It takes time, effort, and sometimes it sucks (and sometimes it's wonderful).

The "fast weight loss" at the beginning of diets is usually due to water weight being lost, not fat. And with a lot of salty foods, you won't see that.

I'd recommend taking a deep breath (trying to lose weight can induce some mild panic sometimes!), and then doing light research on a way of eating. If you want to eat mostly processed foods like you are now, I'd recommend calorie counting. It's much easier to overeat accidentally eating cheesy soup and snack wraps than it is grilled fish and roasted veggies.

Best of luck! I hope you find something you like that works for you. :hug:

LaurieDawn
01-14-2014, 10:54 AM
Just weighing in on the starvation mode as well. John put it best. I just want to offer one of many links on the subject: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/761810-the-starvation-mode-myth-again

Also, weight loss surgery works because it restricts the number of calories a person can consume. It also has a small impact on the calories a person can absorb from food. Essentially, if starvation mode was a legitimate theory, weight loss surgery would not be successful.

pluckypear
01-14-2014, 11:22 AM
I'm not going to give you a lot of advice because I'm not any kind of expert when it comes to binge eating except this ... if you don't solve the underlying problem which is prompting the binging then surgery will only be a temporary solution.

I agree. I considered WLS and even during the seminars they discussed there is a fairly high transference of addictions if patients did not deal with their food addiction prior to surgery. I cannot remember the percentage quoted but there is a link between those receiving WLS and alcoholism occurring after the surgery. Anecdotally I know of several friends/acquaintances that had WLS and have since become addicted to alcohol, shopping and or drugs. I do have a food addiction and that is why I binge. I am working on this and one resource I am using is therapy. Good luck!

freelancemomma
01-14-2014, 01:21 PM
I think 'starvation mode' people mean metabolism slowing. From everything I have heard that can and does happen.


Metabolism certainly does slow when one is restricting calories, but not to the extent that the starvation-mode proponents suggest.

F.

Locke
01-14-2014, 01:24 PM
I'm sure all the people on the planet who have starved to death wish that starvation mode was a myth. Your metabolism can slow down but you can't cheat thermodynamics. The energy to move your body has to come from somewhere. Still it's important to lose weight slowly because you'll stick with it. It's better to lose 8 pounds in a month than five pounds a week and you give up after 7 days.