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NinjaNurse
10-23-2013, 11:23 AM
I am beside myself. I was at last WI, 8lbs from 'my goal'. For the past month or so though, I have been binging and now drinking Smooth Move tea in a effort to rid myself of the binge. It's not a daily thing, but 2-3x a week. I feel like I am as fat as I was a year ago. I don't know why I am doing it to myself. TRULY. And I have been craving strange things, well not super strange but now I LOVE LOVE LOVE peanut butter and have a huge sweet tooth.

My coach has been great and told me to text her when I can feel it happening. This morning I ate 6 mini cupcakes and threw the rest out to stop myself.

Even when I was at my heaviest, I never binged in the manner I have. Uncontrolled, non-stop for about an hour eating. I am terrified and don't know what to do.

I do have a lot of issues going on at home and work, I am upset I hurt my knee and had to put Zumba and running on hold.

But, even while I am binging, I am thinking of the healthy things I do and want to do.

If this has happened to you or has happened once you've reached goal, please pm me. TIA!!!


evepet
10-23-2013, 11:43 AM
Hi Ninjanurse,

I've followed your journey with interest, and first want to congratulate you on a job well done. You have done great. :hug:

I reached my goal weight this past April - was a very slow process, as I mostly 'released' 1 lb/wk... but through persistence I finally got there. Like you, it got harder to stay disciplined as I neared the goal. I've read a lot of posters comment that same thing. I found I had to re-dedicate myself to getting rid of those final 10 lbs or so. I recall joining in challenges here at the forum, which somehow helped keep me more focused and disciplined.

As to your recent binging. Perhaps it's not quite the same thing, but I've noticed in maintenance that once I open the door to sugar & carb laden food stuffs that the craving for more becomes very, very hard to resist. For me the only way to curb it is to avoid it in the first place. That doesn't mean I never enjoy cake or desserts, etc., but I stick with my own recipes that are sweetened with stevia, and made without gluten. I'm currently back on a slightly customized version of P1 in order to get rid of my weight regain.

Nothing magical to share unfortunately. But I did want to post and show my support.

PS - I recall you working with & being scorbett's friend? Haven't seen her around here in months, since she reached goal. She always offered pretty sensible and knowledgeable advice - I'm interested in knowing if you've discussed your current status with her?

My Apologies - just noticed that you requested a PM... feel free to PM me if you want to discuss more.

Bellybuttonlint403
10-23-2013, 12:40 PM
Read The Beck Diet solution!! I had the same problem binge eating, gaining weight, stress eating and totally out of control. The book was a reality check to all the sabotaging behaviors I have always had. It's worth it's weight in gold to anyone who yo-yo's.

You can get the control back, you did it before :)


lisa32989
10-23-2013, 12:47 PM
Here is something I downloaded just last nite. It has made me realize the entire Beck Diet Solution will be very helpful to me in maintenance, as some of the behaviors you describe are currently in remission for me but I know they are not "cured" by IP

http://scarsdalelibrary.org/main/wp-content/uploads/MAINTAINING-New-Habits-and-Building-Willpower-WCPA-article.pdf

Bellybuttonlint403
10-23-2013, 01:10 PM
Perfect summary of the good points of Beck Diet!! Thank you :)

NinjaNurse
10-23-2013, 01:15 PM
I have the Beck Diet Solution Book and have heard wonderful things about it. My only gripe was the whole watching skinny people eat thing. I caused me an almost mental breakdown the 1st time I did this at a party this Summer. They ate like people at a party and I was jealous.
I will look into the book again, maybe for the information more pertinent to what I am going through.
You are all right, since eating sugar and carbs again, although for me it is more sugar, I want it more. I can still pass up bread and potatoes no problem.
Lisa you are right, I really thought since I had conquered those issues for so long, I was in control always. No such luck. Always an addict I guess........
Glad I posted here, I don't mind the chat this way and I don't mind PM's. I just hadn't been here in so long, I didn't know how the response would be.
Scorbett and I are friends, but she's moved about 45mins away and has a full time job now so we haven't chatted in ages.
I am so glad I am not the only one who's going through or gone through this.
PS: I printed that article out and put in on my fridge.

NinjaNurse
10-23-2013, 01:42 PM
1 more ???? would anyone be interested in starting a emergency page on FB?? Private, for people who need help and encouragement or even someone to PM when the situation hits?? One night I pmed a friend and that a lone kept me busy and not eating. Let me know....................

lisa32989
10-23-2013, 02:43 PM
Just the other day I voiced it for the first time:

I have the disease of obesity, which I will need to treat for the rest of my life, so I can stay out of the obese range.

I wonder if watching skinny people eat (perhaps not at a party which is a time most people overindulge) when you aren't in P1 would be a different experience. I know anytime I've watched one gal, she eats very little of what she orders. She is rail thin.

Anyway, I've lost and regained before. I want/need to do what needs to be done for this time to be different.

mkroyer
10-23-2013, 02:43 PM
Sadly, your current experience is pretty classic behavior of the vast majority of (women especially) not only low calorie, low-carb and keto dieters, but anyone who has been dieting down for a sustained period of time, especially without *true* breaks along the way. Of course, the taste of sugar/carb/yummy can 'trigger" many more tastes, but at the root of all of it is a basic, animal urge driven, uncontrollable instinct for survival. I won't go into the many, many symptoms and consequences of thermogenic/metabolic adaptations (espcially with a program like IP, or MRC) but suffice it to say, untold numbers of women who had NEVER had binge tendancies (over-eating, sure, but not uncontrollable binging) find themselves suddenly binging and engaging in trance-like "hand-to-mouth" binging once they: hit low Body fat numbers; engage in overtraining; sustain harsh caloric deficit for long periods; reduce/elimate carbohydrates long term without resetting leptin levels through refeeds; spend a large length of time obsessing over food and fat loss.
I'm not sitting on a high horse. I struggle with these issues. To this DAY, if i find myself even STARTING to dip into a big calorie deficit, or my body gets a whiff of ketosis I find a half jar of peanut butter has dissapeared and i dont even remember unscrewing the lid. Its biology, its physiology, its survival, its hormonal, and its psychological, but still, uncontrollable especially if youre still in a deficit, or still restricting carbs.

If you think I'm full of it, i challenge you to go over to the featherweights and find me one example of a lady there who does NOT struggle with loss of control over food. Go to any forum where women are dieting down/contest prepping.

Of course there are exceptions to every rule.
Leigh Peele did a FANTASTIC 3 part Podcast series on "The Binge" (before, during and after) and she goes into detail on the physiological and mental aspects leading up to it....
On a personal (anecdotal) note, the ONLY solution I have found is to NOT DIET. The ONLY time i dont binge is when i go long periods of time without restricting my calories, and obsessing about food. I didnt binge for almost a year, and it never even really occured to me that i might, when i was eating like a "normal" person (ie; eating what i wanted, how much i wanted, when i was actually hungry).
There's lots of info out there, but Leigh Peele's stuff is ALWAYS a great place to start. she recently put out a new work, called Starve Mode, which goies into specifics about how/why your body responds to the stress of chronic dieting and over training etc, and what you can do... short anser--> eat. eat more food. Eat good food. eat carbs. gain fat ;)

cassieleeanne
10-23-2013, 02:51 PM
I started maintenance recently and noticed the same thing, I went about four days where I just ate and ate. But I swore to myself it had to stop, so now I have been busting my butt at the gym every morning before work and sticking to a good plan of healthy eating. Try to stay strong!!

NinjaNurse
10-23-2013, 03:11 PM
Sadly, your current experience is pretty classic behavior of the vast majority of (women especially) not only low calorie, low-carb and keto dieters, but anyone who has been dieting down for a sustained period of time, especially without *true* breaks along the way. Of course, the taste of sugar/carb/yummy can 'trigger" many more tastes, but at the root of all of it is a basic, animal urge driven, uncontrollable instinct for survival. I won't go into the many, many symptoms and consequences of thermogenic/metabolic adaptations (espcially with a program like IP, or MRC) but suffice it to say, untold numbers of women who had NEVER had binge tendancies (over-eating, sure, but not uncontrollable binging) find themselves suddenly binging and engaging in trance-like "hand-to-mouth" binging once they: hit low Body fat numbers; engage in overtraining; sustain harsh caloric deficit for long periods; reduce/elimate carbohydrates long term without resetting leptin levels through refeeds; spend a large length of time obsessing over food and fat loss.
I'm not sitting on a high horse. I struggle with these issues. To this DAY, if i find myself even STARTING to dip into a big calorie deficit, or my body gets a whiff of ketosis I find a half jar of peanut butter has dissapeared and i dont even remember unscrewing the lid. Its biology, its physiology, its survival, its hormonal, and its psychological, but still, uncontrollable especially if youre still in a deficit, or still restricting carbs.

If you think I'm full of it, i challenge you to go over to the featherweights and find me one example of a lady there who does NOT struggle with loss of control over food. Go to any forum where women are dieting down/contest prepping.

Of course there are exceptions to every rule.
Leigh Peele did a FANTASTIC 3 part Podcast series on "The Binge" (before, during and after) and she goes into detail on the physiological and mental aspects leading up to it....
On a personal (anecdotal) note, the ONLY solution I have found is to NOT DIET. The ONLY time i dont binge is when i go long periods of time without restricting my calories, and obsessing about food. I didnt binge for almost a year, and it never even really occured to me that i might, when i was eating like a "normal" person (ie; eating what i wanted, how much i wanted, when i was actually hungry).
There's lots of info out there, but Leigh Peele's stuff is ALWAYS a great place to start. she recently put out a new work, called Starve Mode, which goies into specifics about how/why your body responds to the stress of chronic dieting and over training etc, and what you can do... short anser--> eat. eat more food. Eat good food. eat carbs. gain fat ;)

YOU. ARE. AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! It's like you saw exactly what is happening to me.

lisa32989
10-23-2013, 03:23 PM
If a leptin reset is in order, it can be done in a low carb manner but with a big increase in food.

Google Jack Kruse Leptin reset.

mnmomX2
10-23-2013, 04:09 PM
Ninja nurse and other great responders...

My sons' school has a curriculum on health and body awareness and one lesson stands out to me for this particular issue. Basically, the teacher went through the five things you need to survive (food, sleep, water, air and shelter/warmth) and what happens to your body when you restrict that item. For example, when you don't get enough sleep, your body is lethargic and your mind is slow and when the weekend comes, you sleep in. If you are out in the sun without water, your body dehydrates and you feel faint and you drink lots of water when you get a chance. By the time she got to food, it 'clicked' for the class-- if you deprive yourself of food (through diets) then when you get a chance, you overeat. It's one of the ways our bodies cope and survive-- it takes in extra air/sleep/food etc. when it's been denied the healthy amount.

I am in Phase 3 and headed to Maintenance and keep thinking about this idea. I was in Phase 3 several weeks ago and felt like I couldn't stop eating- I had no control once the guidelines of IP allowed 'normal' food. This startled me and I went back to Phase 1 for three weeks and then phased off again because I wanted to phase off correctly. This time has been better so far. Maintenance is going to be tough!

mkroyer
10-23-2013, 04:59 PM
If a leptin reset is in order, it can be done in a low carb manner but with a big increase in food.

Google Jack Kruse Leptin reset.

My apologies to you Lisa, but that Jack Kruse site isnt even good pseudo-science... carbohydrates are needed for leptin (or at least adequate amounts of leptin, and at a quick rate) to cross-the brain-blood barrier....the higher glycemic, the better.

"Leptin response to carbohydrate or fat meal and association with subsequent satiety and energy intake" Am J Physiol. 1999 Nov, 277. Romon M, et al

"Effects of short-term carbohydrate or fat overfeeding on energy expenditure and plasma leptin concentrations in healthy female subjects" Int J Obes Relat Metab Disor. 2000 Nov; 24. Dirlewanger M, et al

jmanovich
10-23-2013, 05:20 PM
OMG. Ninjanurse...this is EXACTLY what has been happening to me lately. Finally- I think I understand what has gone wrong! Thank you for explaining it to me in a different way. For some reason it just clicked in my brain what you said and now I see clearly. lol

I have been binging in the evenings almost daily. I have my healthy 3 meals in the day- and no snacking in between meals...until after supper! Then I lose it...in a BIG way. Like 4 tablespoons of peanut butter, a bowl of cereal...pringles you name it. UGH. And I am not even close to goal- I have only lost 20lbs and have been at a stand still for over a month.

So...tell me now- what do we do about this?! How do we get back to where we were!? How do I get on the losing train again?! I would ABSOLUTELY be interested in an emergency FB page or something........I do have the Beck Diet Solution. I think that is going to be my reading material before bed for the next few nights.

crazynette826
10-23-2013, 05:30 PM
I've noticed that the closer I get to goal, the hungrier I am. I've read of others feeling this way also. Makes it hard not to binge. So far I haven't done too much damage, but it is something I worry about. You're under a lot of stress, and increased cortisol levels from stress can lead to overeating. I also found that last time I was losing weight, I injured my knee running, and that led me to want to give up on everything. In my mind, it gave me an excuse to overeat. I know I'm not a lot of help, but just wanted to share that you're not alone. Good luck! You've done an amazing job!!! And you look amazing!!!

NinjaNurse
10-23-2013, 08:08 PM
OMG!! You are ALL amazing!! I feel like I finally found people who KNOW what I am going through.
I have been doing phase 1-2 for weeks but figuring how to eat with the addition of 'dieting' while incorporating excercise. I was nuts for over 2wks, couch 25k, Zumba and I WAS LOVING IT. I over did it and aggrivated the arthritis in my left knee. Pain, swelling, omg the rice crispy crackles killed me and I'm a nurse. (Heard and seen worse!) I was CRUSHED when the sports medicine PA said I couldn't run. It's not that I want to do marathons, I LOVED doing the Diva Dash this September (I HIGHLY reccomend it) and want to do more obstacle races like that. SO. MUCH. FUN. AND EMPOWERING!!!
I got overwhelmed with the everytime I start to excercise something happens, from knee pain to my Mom passing. I was off to water aerobics, had just started, when I got the call she was in the hospital. I had a huge pity party inbetween trying to eat healthy and be normal. Now, I don't know up from down.
I know how I want to eat in maintenence, I still dream of the Diva Dash, Spartan....but right now I am at a loss as what to do next. I am AWESOME with p1-2 all day, and then...................

If anyone is interested in a FB group, please PM me your info. I can make it a closed, private invite only group. Let me know!! Let's support each other!!Thank you all so much for your support and sharing with me!!!
:hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug:

patns
10-24-2013, 01:44 AM
What I found really helpful is a book called The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living. Personally I think IP was too low fat for me so I don't post much on here anymore.
NN, what info do you need, do you mean our name on FB?

evepet
10-24-2013, 10:37 AM
What I found really helpful is a book called The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living. Personally I think IP was too low fat for me so I don't post much on here anymore.
NN, what info do you need, do you mean our name on FB?

Hi Patns,
Just found the website for The Art & Science of Low Carbohydrate Living ... looks like something I need to read. Thanks for the tip. :)

exactor
10-24-2013, 11:25 AM
I can relate to what you're going through. I reached my goal in June and did pretty well through the end of August with my meals and food choices but then I started having small amounts of things I hadn't eaten in a while. Just taking small bites of foods that are higher in carbs has thrown my "healthy eating" plan right out the window. Most days I just don't feel like eating what I'm supposed to and find myself always seeking out something that I shouldn't be having. And I give in about 25% of the time. I'm so frustrated. I am fluctuating between about 6 and 8 pounds over my goal and it scares the heck out of me because I do not want to gain my weight back! It's scary to know how fast the weight can come back on. It is such a constant struggle and I know it is a life-long problem. For the 11 months I was on IP, I felt so strong and in control and could avoid all foods that weren't permitted with no problem. Now I feel like I'm not in control and don't like that feeling.

I've heard about the Beck Diet Solution book and think I'm going to read it. I think it would be helpful for me. I also would be very interested in a FB group and will PM you my info.

evepet
10-24-2013, 11:59 AM
I can relate to what you're going through. I reached my goal in June and did pretty well through the end of August with my meals and food choices but then I started having small amounts of things I hadn't eaten in a while. Just taking small bites of foods that are higher in carbs has thrown my "healthy eating" plan right out the window. Most days I just don't feel like eating what I'm supposed to and find myself always seeking out something that I shouldn't be having. And I give in about 25% of the time. I'm so frustrated. I am fluctuating between about 6 and 8 pounds over my goal and it scares the heck out of me because I do not want to gain my weight back! It's scary to know how fast the weight can come back on. It is such a constant struggle and I know it is a life-long problem. For the 11 months I was on IP, I felt so strong and in control and could avoid all foods that weren't permitted with no problem. Now I feel like I'm not in control and don't like that feeling.

I've heard about the Beck Diet Solution book and think I'm going to read it. I think it would be helpful for me. I also would be very interested in a FB group and will PM you my info.

Exactor, your experience is very similar to mine. I did very well on maintenance for the first couple of months. Then I caught a bad flu and since I was feeling so weak and miserable I allowed myself the convenience of processed soups and entrees. The combo of higher sodium, carbs and sugar somehow got me totally out of sync with my earlier good maintenance eating habits and ever since I've found it difficult to re-commit. Like so many others here, I have The Beck Diet Solution and am starting to read it now.

NinjaNurse
10-24-2013, 03:15 PM
ATT: I have 'Started' a group on FB. If you want to be invited, send me your email address or how I can find you on FB. Thanks!!!!

exactor
10-24-2013, 04:45 PM
Exactor, your experience is very similar to mine. I did very well on maintenance for the first couple of months. Then I caught a bad flu and since I was feeling so weak and miserable I allowed myself the convenience of processed soups and entrees. The combo of higher sodium, carbs and sugar somehow got me totally out of sync with my earlier good maintenance eating habits and ever since I've found it difficult to re-commit. Like so many others here, I have The Beck Diet Solution and am starting to read it now.

I know. I just can't seem to get into the same mindset that I had when I was on Phase I. I think of the things I would eat every single day back then, which I actually looked forward to, and now they're the last things I want to eat.

NinjaNurse
10-24-2013, 07:59 PM
I know. I just can't seem to get into the same mindset that I had when I was on Phase I. I think of the things I would eat every single day back then, which I actually looked forward to, and now they're the last things I want to eat.

I am so into my choco drink w/ coffee, my evening snack, but then it's been getting haywire. I am continuing to learn how to figure this out!! I am going to see my coach tomorrow, no WI, and give it another week. I 'let' myself eat today, phase 2 lunch and dinner, and am planning early bed tonight, while reading BDS. We will conquer and figure this out ladies!!!