Weight Watchers - rethinking the meetings.




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butterflygirljb
10-19-2013, 10:46 AM
Today I am skipping my meeting for the first time. I haven't lost in three weeks. I thought I was down a pound this week but back up the next day. Last week I weighed in at my meeting and when they said I didn't lose I spoke to my leader. I showed her my tracker and she just said " I donk know ". And I've herd that word from her a few times. I feel like I'm paying for nothing. Thinking of going it alone. Just not sure.


DrivenByAmbition
10-19-2013, 11:24 AM
Sounds like you had no luck with the wendie plan. I was really hoping that would help. Meetings are for support and it sounds like they are doing the opposite.

Okay, lets dissect a little bit:

Are you measuring everything?

Are you drinking any alcohol?

or soft drinks?

Do you eat out often?

Have you recalculated your daily points allowance?

Maybe you can mix weight watchers with following the fundamentals of my plate from myplate.gov.

lazylioness
10-19-2013, 11:27 AM
Well, I know it's discouraging but there are times when I am stuck for a few weeks as well. It happens. But your leader should be talking to you and giving you suggestions.

When my husband gets stuck, it usually means he has not tracked as diligently as he should. When I get stuck it sometimes means hormones or I have underestimated my intake and overestimated my output (activity). To counter this I usually spend two weeks not eating out, weighing everything, and count my activity less than my tracker says. Staying "on plan" perfectly always jump starts a few months of steady loss.

Good luck.


butterflygirljb
10-19-2013, 11:55 AM
Thanks ladies. I'm just really upset and tearful. I have about 100 left to lose and I feel like I'm stuck this way. I don't mesure because latlely I'm eating a lot of prepackaged meals and not cookeing. I know that's a lot of it. Its just life is busy. This week. I'm going to cook and mesute. I don't drink. And eating out is mostly never. I don't touch soft drinks. Just water and hot tea. No sugar added. No milk. Ichecked points and it still put me at 37 dp

butterflygirljb
10-19-2013, 11:57 AM
But I do track everything

PUPMOM5
10-19-2013, 12:06 PM
Butterfly, first - that response from the leader is no good. She should be trying to help you, not dismissing you. I would go above her head to complain and, if need be, I would find another meeting.

If you're eating mostly prepackaged food, it might be all the sodium. Things that are prepackaged or take-out typically have a ton of sodium, and that can make you retain water. Check the sodium content on your food and see how much you're eating a day - you're supposed to have 2500/day.

How much water are you drinking? It sounds silly, but drinking lots of water (I try for 120 oz/day) can really help.

Are you eating a lot of carbs? You could be carb-sensitive.

When you tried the Wendie plan, did you stick to the number of points it suggested each day?

Plateaus happen and they make us upset, but the most important thing is that you never give up. If you give up, you definitely won't lose - but if you keep strong, it's going to come off eventually. And we'll all be here in the mean time.

fitbyforty
10-19-2013, 12:07 PM
Processed foods have a ton of sodium. You could be retaining water right now.

AnnRue
10-19-2013, 12:15 PM
I joined weight watchers today and I was very frustrated with the meeting. I up and left in annoyance. My leader didn't seem to know much at all about dieting.

Fortunately I do. When I get stuck at a plateau something that always works for me is calorie cycling. I find eating the exact same thing every day sends your body into a shut down. I suspect that your body releases a water retention hormone (just my speculation).

But if you eat high a few days per week, followed by low a few days to make up for it, I believe your body reduces the hormone and you have a woosh. A lot of people have had success with this. The key is just making sure you don't exceed the amount you would have taken in if you just ate the same every day.

It seriously works for me every time.

DrivenByAmbition
10-19-2013, 12:27 PM
Are you getting 5 servings veggies/fruits a day? What about the other guidelines?

butterflygirljb
10-19-2013, 02:01 PM
I drink lots of water but may up it anyway. I am going to buy a food scale today and going to start fresh. I eat fruits and vegetables but no I don't think I'm getting all my servings. The only meetings I could go to were Saturday meetings and now I don't know. Its a close group of older wemen and the leader doesn't seem intrested in anyone else who isn't apart of that click. I will try everything you all have said. Thank you so much.

DrivenByAmbition
10-19-2013, 02:11 PM
No problem, just keep pushing.

GirlieJayhawk
10-19-2013, 03:03 PM
Find another meeting! Seriously!

One of my very first posts on 3FC was about not enjoying my meetings and the advice to find another meeting has made a world of difference. I think I went to 4 meetings one week and found someone I just clicked with.

Mad Donnelly
10-19-2013, 03:35 PM
Butterfly, I hear ya. Here's my WW story:

I did WW several years back. There really wasn't anything special or magical to the plan, I was going for the positive feedback. I'll admit, it was already a struggle to attend the meetings. Wasn't really my thing but if I was going to get support, I'd have to go.

One week our regular leader wasn't there. I happened to log in a 4 pound loss that week. I was elated and got lots of kudos. So the next week wasn't hard to make myself attend even tho I wasn't expecting another 4 lbs.

Well, this week our regular leader was back. I logged in a 1/2 lb. LOSS. Not really having much reaction, I got off the scale. As she's handing me my card back, she says, Oh, were you expecting that?, in a way that meant to convey she thought my lack of reaction was because I knew I had not done well with eating that week. Well, my lack of reaction was due to me not expecting a big loss not because I had "cheated" but because I had had a big loss last week. So knowing she wasn't there (although she had the number in her hand. Wouldn't have expected her to remember anyway), I pointed out the tremendous loss from the previous week. Her response was a lackluster, Oh. I was expecting something along the lines of, Oh, well, good job then. A 1/2 lb loss is still a loss.

So since I was essentially paying for positive feedback and since this was negative feedback and since she had inadvertently made me feel bad but did nothing to try to make up for it, I saw no reason to continue to waste my time at the meetings.

butterflygirljb
10-19-2013, 05:15 PM
I will see if I can get to another meeting somewhere else. It is sad that when you go to these meetings and your paying and your putting it all out there only to get treated less than. Should I be counting carbs??. If so how much should I have a day??

PUPMOM5
10-19-2013, 06:26 PM
Butterfly, some people (Sara, I think, does and if she's around, chime in!) count points and then keep track of their food in another app (like MyFitnessPal). That way, if you stop losing, you can look at the breakdown of what you've been eating (did I have a week heavy with carbs? or sodium? or fat? or sugar?) in case you're sensitive. I don't think I'm sensitive to carbs, but I am very sensitive to sodium so I try my best to stay close to the recommendation, or I hold onto weight.

SarainMN
10-20-2013, 12:50 AM
I was stuck for 7 months!!!
and like PUP said I started "my fitness pal" watching sodium and carbs made a huge difference
Sodium is evil!!!
I do count points also-its exhausting counting everything but it works!

and try another meeting if you can or speak up! YOU are paying for this!!

butterflygirljb
10-20-2013, 10:26 AM
How many carbs do u allow yourself and sodium??. Not even sure what to do.

SarainMN
10-20-2013, 10:55 AM
if you go to "my fitness pal" (online or phone) and put in all your figures in (height weight) it will figure it all out for you and what you need
I am 179lbs, 5'2 and I get 1240 calories 171 carbs 2500 sodium (I think that is the same for everyone)
you don't have to keep up with MFP but at least get your numbers
my WW leader told me to watch sodium and carbs as well as tracking and it has worked for me

DrivenByAmbition
10-20-2013, 11:42 AM
Oh wow I didn't know mp gave suggestions like that. Neat

Koshka
11-01-2013, 12:05 AM
I track at both WW and My Fitness Pal. I like to keep my carbs around 100-125 most days. I occasionally have days that are higher, but rarely over 150. However, some people are more carb sensitive than others.

A couple of years ago I did a low carb thing where for 2 weeks I really watched carbs. Not so much a number but what I ate. No grains at all. Veggies were OK. Mostly I followed the first phase of South Beach. My carbs were under 50 a day most of the time. Then after that I slowly added in more carbs. I found that I am not particularly carb sensitive so I can do fine around 100 to 125. But all of this is really individual.

PUPMOM5
11-01-2013, 12:15 PM
I did Atkins one summer in between high school and college. I lost 30lbs! But I like carbs and while I like meat, I get to a point where (if I eat it all the time) I find it disgusting. It was not a way of eating I could sustain. Needless to say, I gained all that weight back and a lot more to boot!

Annik
11-01-2013, 01:44 PM
butterflygirl,

I have done weight watchers a few times and although i have lost, it has never been in a sustainable kind of way.

I had about given up trying to lose weight when my brother encouraged me to try Ideal Protein. It is a form of ketogenic nutrition. It's been amazing to experience it at work.

Ideal Protein is one of many kinds of ketogenic diets -- low carb, moderate protein. It addresses glycemic index issues, insulin resistance and metabolic x syndrome. New science emerging is showing that all calories are not the same. My experience with going low carb is showing this to be true.

I know only too well the frustration of trying to lose and it not working and not feeling supported.

While Ideal Protein is a specific programme, you can learn more about ketogenic nutrition through some of these sources:

The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living (http://www.amazon.ca/The-Art-Science-Carbohydrate-Living/dp/0983490708)
Why We Get Fat (http://www.amazon.ca/Why-We-Get-Fat-About/dp/0307474259)
Jimmy Moore Livin' La Vida Low Carb. (http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com/)
Weight Loss According to Dr. Chanh Tran Tien (http://www.trantiendiet.com/site/?article142)

That last link is the website of the physician who founded Ideal Protein. It (and all the others) are based on science that began emergency around the turn of the twentieth century. There is resistance to the ideas because we are still stuck in the calorie counting mindset. If it is carbs that are causing the problem, it is carbs and calories that are more at stake.

Besides there being an Ideal Protein forum in 3 fat Chicks, there is also a Low Carb forum. Ketogenic nutrition has in the last few years taken Sweden by storm!

I personally really like Ideal Protein because of its structure and support.

On the off chance that this might be something that could work for you, I am sharing it here.

Weight loss is a very personal journey. What works well for one person might not work well for someone else. But it might be worth exploring.

Annik

Annik
11-01-2013, 01:48 PM
I was stuck for 7 months!!!
and like PUP said I started "my fitness pal" watching sodium and carbs made a huge difference
Sodium is evil!!!
I do count points also-its exhausting counting everything but it works!

and try another meeting if you can or speak up! YOU are paying for this!!

Sarain,

I am just seeing your post now. I didn't realise there was a 'page 2.'

I keep my carbs to under 40 a day while I am in Phase 1 of IP (although having said this, if you follow the protocols, you don't need to count carbs. They are counted for you.)

Carbs start getting added back in phases 2 and 3. Once you have lost your weight, you start discerning what your specific carb friendly amount is.

I plan to follow a paleo way of eating once I am done IP.

Annik