Atkins - Everyone had a look of horror as I poured a lot of butter on my shrimp




Dragonfly33
09-11-2013, 02:43 PM
I was preparing my lunch at work a little bit ago. I had a bowl of shrimp and I was heating up a good amount of butter seasoned with garlic powder to pour over it. People looked horrified LOL! I do not talk about what I eat or what plan I am following anymore because I feel I don't have to justify my choices. I have been discouraged in the past by well meaning coworkers. It's amazing to see how many are calorie counters and how many people think that you NEED carbs such as bread, fruit for energy. I am more energetic following this way of life than any other plan I followed in the past.

I also had a salad with spinach, peppers and a couple tomatoes with olive oil dressing.


Sum38
09-11-2013, 02:58 PM
Calorie counting works for me ;) We all have diet plans that work for us. I am glad that Atkins is working for you, but please do not put down other diet plans.

Thanks a bunch!

Dolly Sunshine
09-11-2013, 03:44 PM
I don't think the poster was putting down other plans simply stating she has been put down for her choices before. At least I didn't take it as a slam against any other plan.


kaplods
09-11-2013, 04:17 PM
I also didn't take it as any kind of slam. While I'm not amazed that calorie counting is so prevalent (I think the least restrictive plan that works for you is best, and for many that is calorie counting).

I am surprised though that so many people assume that grains and other high glycemic and non-fiber carbs are nutritionally necessary, especially for weight loss. I'm not talking about low calorie fruits and veggies.

I'm also constantly surprised at how many people believe there is only one healthy diet for all humans. I don't believe that. In fact, I don't believe there is a single healthy diet even for one individual. I think there are many ways of eating that can be healthy (or unhealthy for that matter).

The trick with weight loss (or other health goals) is finding one (or several) that meets your needs/goals with the least adverse effects in the most convenient and enjoyable way possible.

I find that my needs change depending on various factors, so I switch between plans as necessary. When I'm very active, I want and feel best with a few more carbs than when I'm unable to exercise due to health issue flare. It's taken years of experimenting to find my personal carb "sweet spot" range (and taking even longer to stick to and adjust to staying within that sweet spot (or non-sweet spot, more accurately).

For me though, calorie counting is still a required component, because my hunger often has no off-switch, and I can and have overeaten and stalled on any diet plan, even Atkin's Induction and low rungs on the carb ladder.

Radiojane
09-11-2013, 04:58 PM
I get a lot of horrified looks because I'm eating very low carb (think induction range) and counting calories. I use oils and butter with abandon, and I always eat the fat on my meat. It's great when we find something that works, and unfortunately, everyone forgets that there isn't a one size fits all answer to dieting.

A girl down the hall has lost the exact same amount of weight as I have, to the decimal point. In the same amount of time, give or take about two weeks. She's solely counting calories and I think she said her carbs are around 200g a day, 10X what I take in!

Don't worry about the looks. you've found what works.

Dragonfly33
09-11-2013, 05:58 PM
Sum38 - I'm sorry you saw the post as putting down other diet plans. I was not doing that. I was simply stating that many believe that you need carbs to lose weight/have energy when you don't. It takes a different mind set to understand the Atkins approach. I am happy that your plan is working for you! This is what works for me :) I have done calorie counting in the past and I did lose some weight....but my sugars never stabilized and I always felt hungry while eating every 2-3hrs. Now I go 4+ hours with no hunger.

For health reasons, this is what I have to do for the rest of my life if I do not want to follow in the path of my father. I am already diabetic and have had other health scares which made me rethink my way of living. I will not stay this restrictive for the rest of my life, but until I reach a healthy weight range and am comfortable adding more to my diet, this is best for me.

Good luck to everyone!!

Changergirl
09-11-2013, 08:27 PM
You definitely just need to find what works for you and your body. Some people need carbs, including myself, while others find that they hinder their weight loss.

Congrats on finding something that works for you!

wannaskipandlaugh
09-11-2013, 10:46 PM
Dragonfly.... I am happy that you have found the way to eat healthy for your body and soul.. (Me too!) and please don't let your friends at work change you or ruffle your feathers. I would hope that they are happy that you are taking control of your health... your way! People have ideas of what is the right or best way and want to tell others what works for them. Its kinda a human thing to help and I hope your colleagues are just trying to do that. ENJOY your food WooHoo.. Your scampi type shrimp sound (deep voice here) goooooodddddddddd :)

time2lose
09-12-2013, 08:32 AM
Sum38 - I don't think that she was putting down other plans either. And this is the Atkins forum.

Sum38
09-12-2013, 08:43 AM
Sum38 - I don't think that she was putting down other plans either. And this is the Atkins forum.

Do we have a policy here at 3 FC's that only certain people are allowed to post on certain forums? Mods please help? -- I am sorry if I offended anyone. I was just taken a bit aback that calorie counting was frowned upon. " It's amazing to see how many are calorie counters and how many people think that you NEED carbs such as bread, fruit for energy. " I do not "dish" any diet plans. I salute what ever works for one. Aren't we all here to lose weight? And to support each other?

I am so sorry if I was out of line :cry:

Dragonfly33
09-12-2013, 10:29 AM
People here on this forum are going to promote Atkins way of life over calorie counting because it didn't work for them, as the other forums promote whatever plan they are on because that works for those people. I see calorie counting as a negative for ME though it works for others.

I think you misunderstood my post but it was directed at others who are doing the Atkins plan and would understand my frustrations.

kaplods
09-12-2013, 12:10 PM
Do we have a policy here at 3 FC's that only certain people are allowed to post on certain forums? Mods please help? -- I am sorry if I offended anyone. I was just taken a bit aback that calorie counting was frowned upon. " It's amazing to see how many are calorie counters and how many people think that you NEED carbs such as bread, fruit for energy. " I do not "dish" any diet plans. I salute what ever works for one. Aren't we all here to lose weight? And to support each other?

I am so sorry if I was out of line :cry:


I don't know if it's a written policy, but within the specific plan threads, I have noticed that much more freedom is given when criticizing "other" plans, and far less criticism allowed from "outsiders."

This is as true in the calorie counting threads as in Atkins (perhaps even more so on many topics) as I've personally found more support in the Atkins threads for using calorie counting as a back up than I've found in the calorie counting threads for using exchanges, WW points or other types of less precise calorie counting - or even acknowledgement that those techniques are a legitimate form of calorie counting (which I argue that they are).

Atkins and other non calorie-counting plans are criticized and "bashed" more freely in the calorie counting threads, and posts from Atkins followers (or other plans) promoting their plan or criticizing calorie counting are generally NOT welcome there.

Even Weight Watchers is often bashed in the cc threads, which is sad, because as I've said I believe WW and exchange plans should be considered a type of calorie counting.

Likewise in the wls threads it's more acceptable to say "wls is the only way to go" and less acceptable to tell wls horror stories (unless you have had wls personally and experienced them yourself).

So yes, specific plan threads are an appropriate places to overexaggerate the benefits of that plan ("Yeah Team! We're the Greatest!) And likewise a less inappropriate place to "bash" the other "team" (Boo! Rival Teams, they Suck!)

There are plenty of places on 3FC where people can appropriately discuss and debate the relative merits of their plans, but the plan specific threads aren't it.

Likewise, the MOST appropriate (or least inappropriate) spot to criticize "other" plans is in your own clubhouse, the plan specific threads, where it's least likely to offend outsiders.

Mistakes happen, especially by those of us who search "New Posts" and don't always pay attention to the forum to which a thread belongs. I may not have responded, or my initial response may have been different if I had realized or thought about the fact that I was posting in the Atkins forum. More respect and deference to the plan is required when responding in a "team" thread, especially when you're not a member of the team (and even more so if you've never been a member or oppose the beliefs of the team itself).

Sum38
09-12-2013, 12:16 PM
Well put kaplods!

Dragonfly33
09-12-2013, 12:52 PM
Great post Kaplods!! I post here with the thinking that only Atkins followers are reading it.

Have a great day, ladies!!

kelijpa
09-12-2013, 08:13 PM
Hi, wow, interesting thread, I was wanting to post that sometimes it's amazing how much other people, especially at work, pay attention to what you're eating. Got a little distracted by the interesting side topic.

I feel sometimes I get a funny look when "caught" eating chips, they don't know I plan for them and it's really none of their concern.

I'm one of those followers of many plans Kaplods talks about, I've tried so many different plans over the years, there's something good in all, you just need to find what parts work for you, I guess I kind of follow what I heard at a meeting many years ago, take what you need and leave the rest. Keep evaluating and adjusting and you'll be successful.

Best to all :sunny:

jiffypop
09-12-2013, 09:42 PM
I thought long and hard about responding to Kaplods' comments about the surgery forum, and decided to jump in with a few points. I might delete it, though, so please don't be offended if it disappears.

People who have had surgery or who are considering it are either figuring out how to live with it, or are wondering if they CAN live with it. It's permanent. We can't change plans once we have the surgery.

Those who have chosen this route have tried EVERYTHING and have decided to look into it because they are desperate. We DO NOT advocate surgery for everyone, and we flatly state that it's not for everyone. We're not 'rah rah, surgery is the answer' by any means.

However, we have lost many members because people who aren't considering surgery [would never do so, think it's irresponsible, surgery is for the lazy, and so on] post the same comments that we've heard from everyone else: 'just try XXX because it's worked for me.' 'if only you'd xxxxx.' 'i've lost a zillion pounds on my first diet using xxxxx.' [and i wait for those folks to regain - the first round of weight loss works the best].

The other issue is that many people who aren't considering it ask - often - 'why did you do it.' And then DEBATE the responses. And then often say something like 'you just dieted wrong.'

And that brings more tears - and PMs. and more lost members.

ALL of us who've had surgery have known people who've had complications, or have passed away. One of our members was in a coma for 6 months after her surgery, another spent 3 months in the hospital because of complications.

We know it's serious business. And more important, we know that everyone has to find the path that works FOR THEM. Kaplods has worked long and hard, and has found her path to success [and very impressive]. for some of us, it's calorie counting. for others, low carb. low fat. whatever works is the RIGHT way for you - and that's what matters.

The hardest part of the surgery, though, is the head changes that have to happen. And that's why I occasionally appear in other parts of 3FC. it's HARD. REALLY HARD. but ya'll knew that already.

i hope this helps explain why the surgery forum is a little more sensitive than perhaps other areas are. if you have any questions, please PM me - i don't want to hijack this thread any more than i already have.

thanks!

kaplods
09-12-2013, 11:11 PM
I understand your desire to clarify the general perspective of the majority of members in the wls forums. However, I do not see the wls forum as being any more or less sensitive than any of the other forums in regards to members defending personal choices or criticizing others for making different choices. Nor are the wls forums entirely free of members of the opinion that wls is the answer for nearly everyone of a certain size.

EVERY plan forum has it's share of members who think and post that their path is the ONLY plan for at least some people. In none of the examples I gave did I imply that the thoughts were characteristic of everyone in a forum or thread - just that those thoughts, feelings, and statements belonged in the plan threads.

I was saying that in the wls threads (as in the all other specific plan threads) it's an entirely appropriate forum in which people who wish to are free to advocate and even "push" the "team" plan and criticize the shortcomings of other plans. Likewise, criticisms of the "plan" should be reserved for plan followers. WLS "bashing" in the wls threads should never come from someone who hasn't had wls.

But this is no different than any of the other plan-specific threads. My point was not about what the average person on each team believes, but the range of opinions that are acceptable in the team clubhouses. Basically my point was that any opinion from a club member is (for example those who've had or are planning to have wls in the wls forum) but "outsiders" need to be more respectful and should avoid controversy.

This as true for every other plan-specific thread/forum. If you're a plan follower, you have more leeway in speaking your mind in your plan-specific threads than if you're a visitor.

Nothing I posted should be construed as an indictment or criticism of any plan or any of the examples I gave as characteristic of any group.

I didn't mean that "surgery is the only way to go" was a typical statement in the wls forum, only that IF someone who had wls felt that way, the wls forums would be an appropriate place for the sentiment to be written. Also any "correcting" or criticisms directed at such a post shouldn't be given by someone who hasn't had or is about to have wls.

Again, the same would be true for every single plan-specific forum/thread.

All I'm really saying is "Respect the clubhouse" especially if you're a visitor, not a (figuratively) card-carrying member.

Dragonfly33
09-13-2013, 10:22 AM
You write so well kaplods!!

And that was all I was doing when I originally started this post. I agree that outsiders that post or respond in plan specific forums need to be respectful. I do not post or comment in the calorie counting or weight watchers forum because I am not following those plans and feel I cannot understand or contribute in any way.

I do not think that Atkins is the end all and be all of weight loss. It just works for ME and seems to be the only plan that I feel GOOD on after trying several others. I do get irritated with the misconceptions and bashing of the Atkins way of life and that's why I do not talk about my food choices at work anymore as the majority are calorie counting and do not understand Atkins.

Everyone posting in their own plan specific forum should be comfortable posting whatever they want about the plan and should feel free to talk negatively about other plans that did not work for them if they wish. It is not attacking a specific person, it is criticizing a way of eating.

I think it's time to end this post as it was not meant to go this direction :)

Radiojane
09-13-2013, 11:40 AM
It's important not to let a message board (or a coworker or a family member..etc) get to you. The original poster is excited because Atkins is working for her. As Jiffy said, people in the WLS section have a different perspective on that, and on and on. It's important not to take this exuberance as an indictment of any plan that you're on. At the end of the day, most if not all of us, are cheering for everyone here, no matter what plan they're on.

The flip side is that if you think a particular diet, or the WLS route, or even the stated plans of a certain member won't work, are too radical or just a bunch of bs, you don't have to voice that. For one thing, you may be wrong. I think the administrators do a pretty good job of weeding out the whackier diets. Secondly, you're not going to help by discouraging anyone. The best way to encourage good health, through any plan, is to lead by example.