Living Maintenance - Maintainers Weekly Chat August 5 - August 11




BillBlueEyes
08-05-2013, 06:10 AM
We had these:A screaming comes across the sky. and
Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way. To which we can now add:Mickey Cray had been out of work ever since a dead iguana fell from a palm tree and hit him on the head.from Carl Hiaasen's Chomp (http://www.amazon.com/Chomp-Carl-Hiaasen/dp/0375868275/). Great book. My thanks to Silverbirch's DB for recommending it. Whenever I need to wallow in South Florida laughing my brain scrambled, I'll reread this. Partially because I enjoy romance as portrayed when it's all verbal, standing up. I find myself cheering for Wahoo and Tuna to find each other again.

It's delightfully cool around here right now; I could live this way forever. I bought four pints of blueberries for the week, which means that I'll just have to snack on them every day in addition to breakfast. I can live with that.


Kery
08-05-2013, 06:15 AM
Coming back for a quikie to say hello (I hadn't been here since January, can you believe that?). Not even trying to catch up, so I hope everyone's as alright as possible, considering RL circumstances and various random crap. ^^

Preparing psychologically for next Sunday: huge family meal, with most of said family I haven't seen since Christmas 2006 because they're, well, they're a$$holes. I expect absolutely no comments about my having lost weight and not regained it, but plenty of green-eyed attempts to feed me seconds and thirds through guilt-tripping. What I can I say... lolilol? :rolleyes:

Mudpie
08-05-2013, 07:14 AM
Good morning! :D

We are on holiday here. I'm catching up with all the stuff I didn't get done due to the dog sit. Bills, filing, all that fun stuff. My garden is calling to me to come and save it from the weeds that threaten to strangle it.

The new house is looking good! All the floors are prepped to get their hardwood covering, the new garden shed is up and has one coat of paint on most of it, the wonky windy basement stairs have been replaced, we have a pass thru to the dining room from the kitchen, and DH and I bought all new bathroom fixtures yesterday.

The HVAC will get done this week, DH is getting quotes for painting, and my garden assistance should start this week.

I still have to buy the bathroom tiles and a shelf for the kitchen so the exhaust hood can be installed but I'm starting to feel that we will end the reno ahead of schedule.

DH has been a trouper in all of this and I thank him every day for all the work and organizing he's doing. :love: He's being a good guy!

I am a happy person. :D

Good week all!

Dagmar :dance:


CherryPie99
08-05-2013, 09:56 AM
Dagmar - It sounds like things are really falling into place! How incredibly exciting! I know exactly how it feels when you start to check off what you need to get done when rehabbing a house, so you must be flying high!

I had a good weekend - started off Saturday with a 10K - Killed it time wise (46:49) but couldn't catch the d*mn 21 year old girl in front of me :mad: so I came in 2nd for females. 5th place overall in a field of 70+.

I then spent the rest of the weekend getting stuff done - my garden is INSANE this year - not sure if it's the weather or what - but I must have blanched and frozen AT LEAST 20 pounds of yellow beans and sugar snap peas!

Happy Monday everyone!

Jen

silverbirch
08-05-2013, 10:29 AM
Bill, we're both delighted that you enjoyed Chomp. Hoot (about an owl species), Flush and Scat are also brilliant. Chomp came with us on our tour of duty to SO's family, as relief after difficult periods.

We picked a lot of blackcurrants last week (as good as blueberries for their health benefits) and they were immediately processed into jam by the gardener concerned. Ah. Jam and marmalade is stacking up here, one way or another. I think my sister will provide lemon curd soon. Hmmm.

saef
08-05-2013, 11:38 AM
I'm overcaffeinated & won't get to the gym to work off my nervous energy till tonight, half-packed for my trip tomorrow, full of the usual last-minute errands (stopping the mail, etc.), and trying to calm the heck down. I also feel as though I have no memory at all of the weekend having happened.

Jen, you have the heart of a race horse. I feel like a lot of my life is trying to catch up with 21-year-olds. And 35-year-olds. And 40-year-olds.

I can't wait until the upcoming weekend, when this trip will be over. Oh, and yes, of course, we'd have to be on a high alert level against terrorist incidents as I depart from a small NYC-area airport with my anxiety at one of its peaks for the year.

Dagmar, that was me last year at about this time, having just moved into my newly renovated apartment, over which I'd collaborated with the head contractor & architect for the previous winter. The place still smelled like freshly sawed wood. The charm has largely worn off, and I'm about to make another call to the furniture restorer, who's kept my sleigh bed for two years now. I saw a decent sleigh bed at the website of a dealer up in Maine and am wondering if I ought to just issue a do-not-resuscitate order and buy this other one instead. Probably will cost me the same amount of money either way.

traveling michele
08-05-2013, 12:50 PM
Jen, are you seriously disappointed that you couldn't beat a 21 year old!?!! After how far you've come? Kudos to you!

Praying for Bargoo. I hope she knows we're thinking of her.

I'm going to start posting my Monday weight for awhile. I need to be accountable. I need to decide whether or not my redline is merely a suggestion.

today's weight: 128.6

Already been to the dermatologist for my yearly skin check and to Target. Now off to yoga.

Happy Monday all.

Shannon in ATL
08-05-2013, 01:05 PM
Jen - I'm laughing at your chasing the 21 year old. Good for you coming in second, great job! :)

Dagmar - glad the house is going well!

Birchie - I'm thinking about trying to make marmalade, but I'm afraid I would then eat too much of it.

Saef - you can survive this trip. Check in here as often as you can, and take it as it comes.

Hey Kery! Glad to hear from you!

Oh Bill, I love blueberries.

I have a situation at work that will make this week complicated. Really getting into it tomorrow. Why can't people just be adults and not act like idiots?

Mudpie
08-06-2013, 06:50 AM
bargoo How are things with you? Sending you :goodvibes:

Interesting. DH and I have done more bickering :rollpin: (about the renovations to the house) in the last 3 weeks than throughout most of our 17-year long relationship. I suppose any decision is a bit of a power struggle. :shrug: I'm getting better at letting DH make the decisions on his own but he has to have more confidence. I don't WANT to spend 2 hours discussing the threshold to the kitchen - just pick one and put it in. :p

He's going to order $5K worth of flooring today. I hope that goes well. :eek:

It looks like my body's "comfortable weight" is now 137 lbs. I've survived the house closing, 3 weeks of bickering, and a dog sit at the same weight.

I only weigh on :goodscale: Mondays. I think the day to day fluctuations were driving me a bit crazy.

It seems like it's almost fall here - that coolness is in the air every morning. I think my part in the house reno - shopping and cleaning :lol: - is coming to an end. Or at least things with tight deadlines are almost over.

So now I have to decide whether to try to diet down 5 lbs. to give my body a "maintenance zone" for the winter. I think I'm gonna give it a real shot. It's still warm enough at dinner time to eat salad and I'm finding I WANT fruit at night, instead of ice cream, chips, beer, etc.

Good week all!

paperclippy
08-06-2013, 10:32 AM
Good morning! I'm going back to work on Thursday so you'll probably see me around more often. Hopefully I can start to get a little bit of exercise while I'm at work and start to chip away at the extra 30lbs I'm still carrying. I'm trying to remove the junk from my diet and make it all healthy food, but to be honest sometimes dessert is the only way I can cope with stress & exhaustion. Also, I'm understanding why people eat so much fast food -- I just don't have the time or energy to prepare huge quantities of healthy food and I need to eat a whole lot to keep up milk production for the girls.

Anyway, the girls are doing well. They're going longer between feedings at night, but they're not actually sleeping the whole time in between so DH and I are still pretty exhausted. We'll see how my return to work goes. I tried the schedule I'd written out for it yesterday and ended up going up to bed at 6:30pm and not getting up until 8:30 this morning (minus three feedings and 4-5 times getting up to give them pacifiers). On the plus side, I did manage to be ready for the day at 7am and awake through the time I'd be coming home, so there's that. Their next pediatrician appointment is Monday so we'll see how much they weigh -- I'm guessing in the neighborhood of 9lbs now because they're into the 0-3month size clothes and out of the newborn clothes.

DH is trying to figure out how and when to tell his employer that he's not coming back from his FMLA leave. We're waiting until I'm back at work so that I can talk to HR in person about getting him on my health insurance.

Dagmar, glad your house is coming along!

Bargoo, sending good thoughts your way.

Hi to everyone else!

traveling michele
08-06-2013, 11:58 AM
Good luck with your return Jessica! It seems smart that you are trying a dry run out. Does dh's employer have no idea he's not returning?!

Dagmar.... I feel your pain. My family is in turmoil at the moment. We are disagreeing about how to move dd back to Arizona and dh is currently in Texas finalizing our other dd's move there. Money is a large part of the stress for us. It doesn't help that July is the one month of the year that I don't get a paycheck.

I was buying dd's textbooks the other day. We rented the ones we could but we had to buy the Spanish workbook. It was $200! What a ripoff!

I did have a positive $$ experience yesterday. I was looking at the cell phone bill. I realized we had been paying an extra $30 a month for over a year for international text messaging. This was from dd traveling to London last summer! I *thought* I had cancelled. After a very long phone call, a very nice guy credited me $320! Phew!

CherryPie99
08-06-2013, 12:46 PM
Jen, are you seriously disappointed that you couldn't beat a 21 year old!?!! After how far you've come? Kudos to you!


Jen - I'm laughing at your chasing the 21 year old. Good for you coming in second, great job! :)


Thanks guys! There is a **SMALL** chance that I have an issue with being overly competetive. I am a VERY poor loser.

Dagmar - I think there is a LAW that absolutely requires men to be complete dicks when it comes to home repair and remodeling - that has been my experience anyway...

Jessica - good luck on going back to work! I can't imagine how exhausted you must be. I hope that the transition goes well! I am wondering if you could get "healthier" options stopping by grocery stores for their pre-made deli stuff versus fast food? Still fast and convenient.

Michele - Found money! Yay! Textbooks are the ultimate ripoff!

As for me, the Judge I work with is throwing a "colossal" party tomorrow where there is sure to be a ton of tempting food. This will be followed by a party at my house on Saturday for my father-in-law's 95th birthday - also a bring a (unhealthy) dish to pass!

My weight has been pretty stable for 2 weeks in a happy zone but methinks it will be tested this week!

Jen

Shannon in ATL
08-06-2013, 12:52 PM
Michele - I just saw the post about renting textbooks. I find it amazing that they have gotten so expensive that people rent them now. Wow.

Jessica - good luck going back to work! I love the fact that DH is going to stay at home with the girls. Will he try to work from home any or is he leaving altogether? My cousin is a SAD with three girls at various ages and he loves it.

Mudpie
08-07-2013, 06:31 AM
Jessica Good luck :crossed: with going back to work. It sounds like you have a good plan in place and doing the dry run was a great idea! Your DH will probably find himself getting a great deal of attention when he starts taking the babies out and about. He's got tiny adorable twins and he's a guy - that's quite a draw.

saef Good luck with the trip. :crossed:

DH took a night off from house wrecking :lol: last night. I think he was very relieved - his whole body hurts. We are catching up on True Blood - I :love: Eric Northman - and last night was quite relaxed.

I am going to a tile store today - my first time. Should be interesting. DH is leaving the whole bathroom reno to me and the contractor.

Good day all!

Dagmar :flow2:

paperclippy
08-07-2013, 10:30 AM
Michele, I think some of his coworkers suspect he's not coming back but he didn't say anything about it. We wanted to wait until he'd actually been at home with the girls for a while to see if he was going to be okay staying with them or not. I figured if after being home on leave with them he didn't like it then he'd go back to work and we'd find daycare. He seems to be happier being home with them than he ever was at work though, so now we just have to deal with his employer.

Shannon, he plans to stay home full time for at least a couple years. He has some interest in starting his own business (from home) so he might explore that. I told him once he's out and about with the girls he's going to get hit on by single moms. ;)

Jen, thanks for the tip about the groceries! I have been stocking up the fridge with turkey for sandwiches, but DH keeps eating it all.

Mudpie
08-07-2013, 11:25 AM
Did you all realize there are at least 85 pages of Japanese themed shower curtains on a website? The mind boggles.

This new house thing is kinda a fun - but expensive!

Dagmar :twirly:

CherryPie99
08-07-2013, 11:46 AM
Jen, thanks for the tip about the groceries! I have been stocking up the fridge with turkey for sandwiches, but DH keeps eating it all.

Men!! Also - if I'm not annoying you with suggestions - the slow cooker could be your friend! Grab a whole chicken, rub with a few spices and slap that sucker in the slow cooker (breast down) and 6 hours later you have a PILE of cooked chicken that you could use for sandwiches or mix in with some instant brown rice and veggies!

Mmmmm now I'm getting hungry!

Jen

krampus
08-07-2013, 05:17 PM
Hello Maintainers -

I've been in Chattanooga/Atlanta since Sunday, just came back today. I visited a friend there and it turns out her family has multiple boats, several spare cars, yacht/boat club membership, and lives in a huge condo on a lake. Had a lovely time, wasn't too badly delayed flights-wise today, just sat on the tarmac at ATL for a while waiting for the rain to let up. I didn't leave myself enough time and had to SPRINT through the airport. I wouldn't have been able to do that a few years ago! *flexes*

alinnell
08-07-2013, 09:12 PM
I'm home.

I've attempted to read all that I've missed, but I'm here on hour 'IDK" and too tired to figure it out! Basically we woke up 9 hours earlier (and at 3:30 am to catch a flight) than this side of the earth and sat for 15 hours on two aircraft to get home and then sat for almost 3 hours in a car. Unpacked. Laundry in process. Dinner in the oven (after sending DS out for ingredients so I could pay bills).

We're going to try and stay up to our "normal" bedtime so we'll get back on schedule ASAP. We did nap for 30-45 minutes on the long plane trip.

When we left a fire was burning in the mountains above our desert. As we returned, we saw smoke emanating from an area just northwest of that area. Only 4 hours later and it's over 2500 acres with mandatory evacuation orders for three mountain communities. So sad.

My only question is this--why do European airlines have such WONDERFUL free food and drink? US charges mega bucks for a dry, tasteless sandwich and they wonder why we complain. (We flew KLM today and on my last trip a few years back it was Lufthansa.)

TriciaV
08-08-2013, 02:21 AM
I'll try dipping my toes in here. I followed a link to this forum a couple of weeks ago and like it pretty well. The height and weight profiles were what drew me.

I was considering returning to college this fall, then got kind of all or nothing about it but now I'm weighing the part time option.

I like cooking, Firefly, Dr who, and conservation. I guess I'm going to school for speech language pathology. We started a renovation 3 years ago, but then my husband went to law school.

Mudpie
08-08-2013, 06:21 AM
Tricia :wave: Welcome to Maintainers! We're a friendly bunch so dive right in.

Dagmar :D

Mudpie
08-08-2013, 06:35 AM
The tile store experience did not go well :( yesterday. I walked around and around, looking for something I could afford. Then I spoke with the person at the desk. She took me around and flipped through some of her stacks and stacks of samples. Then she asked me what I was prepared to pay for mosaic tile for the backsplash. I replied, she blanched, and then kinda ended up wandering away from me and talking to another store employee.

It took me about 5 minutes to realize that she was politely telling me I couldn't afford to shop there. I waved a cheery good bye :wave: and headed for Lowes - where I had originally intended to get my tiles.

The staff there were very helpful and polite but all the tiles I liked were discontinued :( or not available in the colour :mad: I had selected. I finally suggested the staffer go help someone else and began wandering. Then I started looking up at the displays of how some tiles were being used.

:yay: Black and white! I would design my own backsplash using matte 2 x 2 inch black and white tiles and use 4 x 4 and 3 x 6 glossy black and white in the shower enclosure. And the floor would be black, flecked with mica-like particles. AWESOME!

In the past I would have headed directly to the grocery store from the fancy tile place and bought and choked down a dozen big cookies in my car, consumed with shame and embarrassment.

Not now! :woohoo:

Dagmar (the tile :queen:)

ICUwishing
08-08-2013, 09:10 AM
Hi, TriciaV! :wave: Congrats on your big loss!

Dagmar, I love the browsing part of renovation. Agree, once money starts to exchange hands, dreams die. :D I will be visiting a kitchen/bath design store later this month to begin the process of figuring out my master bath - I have a $ target in mind that was based on the other bathroom, but I really haven't added up what I think this is all going to cost. I know I'll :barf: if I do, so I have been putting it off! I found an app called Houzz for my iPad; that little spot is going to cause me some sleepless nights.

allison, welcome back!

Jen, thanks again for the reminder that chickens and crockpots go together magically well. We have been searching for an alternative to lunchmeat - duh!

Not much going on here; DS and I will be running the Crim 10 mile on the 24th. This Sunday morning there is an unofficial 10 mile training run on the modified course, I figure I'd better go see what I'm in for! I think this is either the 4th or 5th time I've done this one in 20 years, and I swear every time I finish one that I will never run another step. :D

alinnell
08-08-2013, 10:15 AM
Welcome TriciaV!

I'm from Utah originally. And I have a friend who is a speech therapist. Where do you go to school?

traveling michele
08-08-2013, 11:49 AM
Sounds like you were very successful Dagmar!

Welcome Tricia. My dd is going to school to be a speech language pathologist. She returns Tuesday to the University of Arizona as a Sophomore. My house is a huge mess with her piles and suitcases everywhere. It sounds bad but we are both ready for her to go back to school!

Can't wait to hear more about your trip Allison. Hope the jet lag isn't too extreme.

TriciaV
08-08-2013, 01:11 PM
Thanks you are a friendly bunch! I'm going to the U of U working on prerequisites. I had wanted to apply to the masters program this year but will have to be patient.

I got a digital meat thermometer that stays in the meat while you cook it and I can actually enjoy chicken breast roasted now. I used to overcook everything.

Shannon in ATL
08-08-2013, 03:41 PM
Hey Tricia! I love Firefly, anything Joss really, Star Trek in all generations, X-Files, Supernatural, am just now getting into Dr. Who. I'm not sure how I missed it, but somehow I did. :) Welcome aboard!

So. I'm fussy and irritable today. My weight is close to 3 pounds up from last Friday because I had some extra salt though my calories were at or below maintenance range all weekend long. This plus some work stuff plus some head congestion pushed me into a chocolate chip cookie at lunch. A 440 calorie chocolate chip cookie. That is really going to help with the weight spike. Bah.

silverbirch
08-08-2013, 05:50 PM
Shannon, please will you tell me the diameter of that chocolate chip cookie? 440 kcals is so ginormous. You could run a power station with those. (You know all the US's overproduction of corn which is made into HFCS to get rid of it? Has it ever been suggested using it as biofuel in power stations? Just an idea floating into my mind.)

traveling michele
08-08-2013, 08:17 PM
Shannon, please will you tell me the diameter of that chocolate chip cookie? 440 kcals is so ginormous. You could run a power station with those. (You know all the US's overproduction of corn which is made into HFCS to get rid of it? Has it ever been suggested using it as biofuel in power stations? Just an idea floating into my mind.)

I don't know where Shannon got it but that's about what they run at Starbucks and they aren't all that big. I'm glad they post the calorie counts because they do deter me! Studies have shown that most people ignore posted calorie counts and still order unhealthily but they do dissuade me! However, I was at a restaurant recently and no counts were posted and I succumbed to a cookie. Ignorance is bliss?!?!:o

I was going to go to Zumba today but couldn't get motivated. I went to bikram this morning so I still worked out. I go to Arizona next week and likely wont workout there and then go back to school the following week so I'm trying to get plenty of exercise while I can.

Speaking of exercise, there is a woman at bikram yoga that I think is an exercise addict. What is that called? I'm assuming it isn't my place to say anything to her. We exchange hellos and a few words here and there but I don't know her well. She does bikram multiple times a day (each class is at least 90 minutes) and often goes for runs between classes. I just feel sorry for her.

Shannon in ATL
08-08-2013, 09:18 PM
Birchie - this cookie came from Panera Bread, I'd say 6-6.5 inches in diameter, so 15-17cm I guess? Pretty thin, but big. I can see them powering a substation.

Michele - that woman makes me sad inside. Unless maybe she just likes it?

The eating didn't stop with the cookie, and now I feel kind of icky.

neurodoc
08-08-2013, 10:48 PM
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430 calories - and only about 4 inches across.

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160-180 cal per piece, and the size of a golfball (maybe 3 bites?)

Silverbirch, sadly it really doesn't take much when a tablespoon (14g) of butter is over 100 calories and a typical 40g choc. chip cookie contains over 1 tbsp., plus the fat in the chocolate, not to mention the sugar and flour that hold it together.

Mudpie
08-09-2013, 06:31 AM
Birchie - this cookie came from Panera Bread, I'd say 6-6.5 inches in diameter, so 15-17cm I guess? Pretty thin, but big. I can see them powering a substation.

Michele - that woman makes me sad inside. Unless maybe she just likes it?

The eating didn't stop with the cookie, and now I feel kind of icky.

Re exercise "addiction" - I've read that there are people who get caught up in the endorphins a good workout produces - commonly called "runner's high".

Also I was acquainted with a woman, years ago as teenagers, who suffered from anorexia. Her family finally got her into treatment. It seemed successful. She was thin, but not dangerously so. She went on to get married and have a family. But I used to see her out powerwalking in the neighbourhood for what seemed all day long. So the compulsive behaviour had maybe translated over into exercise, instead of controlling food intake.

Dagmar :shrug:

ICUwishing
08-09-2013, 09:34 AM
Calorie counts still surprise me, especially on sweet stuff and restaurant food. When I see the damages laid out on a restaurant menu, like Michele, it does often cause me to make course corrections - I appreciate having that knowledge. Admittedly, if it's something I've never had and may never see again (like a few of the dishes in Europe), calories are the last thing on my mind! :D

silverbirch
08-09-2013, 10:06 AM
Thanks, everyone. Alarming news.

I asked as I'm still trying to understand the term 'cookie' ... It's just not one of my words!

alinnell
08-09-2013, 10:26 AM
I believe the term is exercise bulimic or something similar. Just as some puke to get rid of excess calories, some turn to excess exercise to do the same.

I admit I ate a few cookies on my cruise. 5 to be exact. But they were nowhere near the size of a Panera cookie. DS goes to Panera often and usually brings the cookie home for dessert another time. Thankfully I don't find his leftovers tempting.

As for the calories at a restaurant~you'd think it'd reinforce the "rule" of asking for a leftover container right away and stowing half for later, but no, I'm not prone to doing that. Thankfully we don't eat out as often as we used to.

That said, I'm having a hankering for sushi. I had sushi for lunch at least four times on the cruise and even though it was a rather limited array, it still tasted good and now I want more. Perhaps DH and I will do sushi for lunch today? Hmmm, good idea or not? We have gone back to our usual Friday lunch "date" however, it usually entails sandwiches somewhere or other.

Shannon in ATL
08-09-2013, 02:27 PM
Yes, exercise bulimic. I have to confess to having manifested some instances of traditional bulimia and exercise bulimia in the past.

And I'm realizing right now that I'm about to do the same thing today. I cut my 20 mins of cardio on Mon and 30 mins on Wed because I was worn out, skipped my yoga last night because I was a little tummy sick and didn't think they would blend. So this morning when I worked out I did 45 minutes on the bike instead of 20, telling myself that I only owe back 25. I exercised this morning instead of tonight because we have DSS tonight and I can 'make up' my 55 minutes of yoga tonight, then I can do an unplanned 25 minutes of bike tomorrow in addition to my 30 minutes planned yoga, then I'll have 'made up' my deficit. And I'm telling myself it helps with my food binge yesterday. Exercise bulimia. Sound like it to you guys?

JayZeeJay
08-09-2013, 05:27 PM
I like cooking, Firefly, Dr who, and conservation. I guess I'm going to school for speech language pathology. We started a renovation 3 years ago, but then my husband went to law school.

Hi Tricia! I'm an irregular on this thread (that reminds me of the Baker Street Irregulars) but I had to chime in when I saw your likes: I too am a big fan of the Doctor, and also loved Firefly. What do you think of the new Doctor? Call me shallow but I like them a bit younger and quirky-geeky-handsome (David Tennant, call me!) :)

ETA: I ate a Mrs. Fields cookie at a meeting yesterday (why????) - after reading the discussion above I looked up the nutrition info. Mrs. Fields herself claims that this cookie only had 200 calories. That actually seems low, given the density of the cookie. I wonder if it's remotely correct.

Mudpie
08-09-2013, 06:48 PM
Yes, exercise bulimic. I have to confess to having manifested some instances of traditional bulimia and exercise bulimia in the past.

And I'm realizing right now that I'm about to do the same thing today. I cut my 20 mins of cardio on Mon and 30 mins on Wed because I was worn out, skipped my yoga last night because I was a little tummy sick and didn't think they would blend. So this morning when I worked out I did 45 minutes on the bike instead of 20, telling myself that I only owe back 25. I exercised this morning instead of tonight because we have DSS tonight and I can 'make up' my 55 minutes of yoga tonight, then I can do an unplanned 25 minutes of bike tomorrow in addition to my 30 minutes planned yoga, then I'll have 'made up' my deficit. And I'm telling myself it helps with my food binge yesterday. Exercise bulimia. Sound like it to you guys?

Shannon Your post is making my head spin - whew! I am not one for logging and calculating and weighing etc. Good thing I walk for a living - :lol:

I think exercise bulimia is when you do something for hours upon end - like 5 hours of biking every day, or 3 hours of running, or similar. It's exercise of unnatural length and intensity every day. JMHO.

Dagmar :cool:

traveling michele
08-09-2013, 07:43 PM
Shannon... I agree with Dagmar. You don't sound like what I'm seeing in this one woman. I feel sad for her and her family. I know she has young teenagers--- what do they do all day long during the summer while she exercises for hours on end? I was happy that she wasn't at yoga this morning. I don't know about the other four classes today but at least she missed one.

neurodoc
08-09-2013, 10:38 PM
Darn it. I tried to post pictures of a Panera flower cookie and a Starbucks cake pop to show Silverbirch what we're talking about, but it didn't work. How do you put a jpg in your post (as opposed to just a link to a picture)?

Hmm, bulimia means alternating overeating and purging. I would guess that exercise bulimia would mean trying to exercise away your excess calories instead of purging, so if you eat an extra Panera cookie (=440 calories, as detailed in this thread) you do an extra hour of cardio that day, above and beyond your usual amount of exercise. Which reminds me of the tagline I have seen often on 3FC, "you can't out-exercise bad eating habits." Dagmar, I think that this is different from straight-up overexercising like the woman Michele sees in her gym. That kind of obsession (3+ hours a day, every day) is more typical of anorexics than bulimics -- or of "Biggest Loser" contestants.

I love Firefly too (not that there are many episodes to watch, unfortunately). I haven't allowed myself to get hooked on Dr. Who, but know I would love it if I let myself - I am a huge fan of science fiction, both books and films.

Mudpie
08-10-2013, 07:45 AM
Big "Firefly" fan here too. I have liked most things Joss Whedon has worked on - "Buffy", "Angel", "Serenity", etc. I really like the lead actor from "Firefly" too - "Nathan Fillion" - currently starring in "Castle".

I have all sorts of painting, delivery, grass cutting, and other stuff to do at the new house. Nice cool sunny day so I'll enjoy all of it.

Good weekend all!

Dagmar

silverbirch
08-10-2013, 08:20 AM
:wave: Morning, Bargoo!

:wave: Morning, Jessica!

saef
08-10-2013, 09:06 AM
Okay, as someone who's cycled through different manifestations of an eating disorder, this is my personal experience:

Anorexia: Subsisting on very little food and always trying to get by with less, through a conscious effort and exertion of will. So it's not at all due to forgetfulness. In fact, I got obsessed with making food for others, looking at pictures of food and recipes, or even being near it. And yes, I exercised constantly. A friend reminded me that when she visited, I was even marching in place when we halted at crosswalks, just to burn up calories. I'd describe my emotions as frozen and brittle, with an enormous undercurrent of panic, but also an almost manic exhilaration: Look at my power & control! And indeed, I had incredible energy, considering how little I was putting into myself.

Exercise bulimia: The previous state was unsustainable. My control slipped, and I wasn't able to constantly restrict with an iron fist, as I had before. I started bingeing in a particularly ugly way, like through dedicated trips to the grocery store, or standing up in the kitchen consuming lots of food mindlessly, compulsively. Then after I recovered from the sluggishness and bloat, in a punitive mood, I'd go out and exercise. I never counted calories, so my calculations were never as exact as Shannon's, but the motivation and thought pattern was the same. Here there were extreme mood swings. There was a kind of cycling, which I hadn't had with anorexia.

Compulsive exercising: This isn't the same as exercise bulimia, and probably this is my current problem. Here, exercise is nearly a ritual and one must engage in it to be "safe" or to have completed one's tasks for the day. It absolutely has to happen, no matter where you are, no matter what else you do that day. There isn't necessarily a correlation between food intake and exercise, so it's not quite a purging behavior. There are degrees of rigidity here. If you absolutely have to run this many miles, on this particular route, or ***it doesn't really count*** even if you've done weights or walked all over Disney World all day, and get irrationally uneasy at the idea of changing it up. It's the breaking up of the pattern or the inability to perform the ritual or routine that freaks you out. It's hard to tell where this shades from compulsiveness into trying to keep up a healthy routine & habit of "moving" every day. So very hard. But I think the answer lies in your emotional state, whether you feel anxious or afraid or inadequate or like a hopeless case because you haven't done what you **ought to** or **must** do. I think I've actually made some progress here while I've been on this board, but any steps toward being more relaxed or casual is countered by an awful fear that it will result in a regain.

And here's the thing, which is probably the wrong way to think, but I have to say it: I always wonder whether those of us who were morbidly obese and got to normal weight ought to have some slack here compared to those who were at a normal weight (however that's defined) but began to aspire to be at a fashion model weight.

I have no answers here about that blurred line between healthy routines and compulsions, which suggests to me that part of this is cultural & societal as well as personal & emotional & psychological.

silverbirch
08-10-2013, 09:38 AM
:wave: Megan!

:wave: JayEll!

Welcome back and thanks for the above, saef.

CherryPie99
08-10-2013, 10:38 AM
Morning all!

Another HUGE sci-fi fan here! Although I absolutely HATE Dr. Who! I have on my rental queue to rent through Blockbuster Warehouse 13 - anyone here watch that?

Andrea - I use tinypic.com to upload any pics I want to put on here - it's really easy and sizes them so they don't take over the whole page when I post. Panera's flower cookie:

http://i44.tinypic.com/xfyfsl.jpg

Saef - I'm so happy to see you posting - I was worried the conference went very badly but even though it sounds like it was CRAZY, it sounds like you did fantastic! I agree that us former fatties should be cut slack :D

As for me, I went to the office related party Wednesday evening and ate way too much! That of course resulted in a weight spike Thursday. I immediately reverted to eating well the last 2 days but was kind of dreading the 95th b-day party we are hosting for my father-in-law today because it is another potluck that I don't do well at. But a bizarre miracle has happened and my weight is way down to 116 pounds today, so I'll be able to enjoy without obsessing on calories.

Happy weekend all!

Jen

alinnell
08-10-2013, 11:07 AM
but any steps toward being more relaxed or casual is countered by an awful fear that it will result in a regain.

Relaxation and being casual in my everyday life DID cause my weight gain. I called in mindlessness.

And here's the thing, which is probably the wrong way to think, but I have to say it: I always wonder whether those of us who were morbidly obese and got to normal weight ought to have some slack here compared to those who were at a normal weight (however that's defined) but began to aspire to be at a fashion model weight.

Yes, you should get some slack, but also remember that there are a few of us who were not obese and do not aspire to fashion model weight. I was never obese--just overweight. I do not aspire to fashion model weight--I want to be on the lower end of the BMI scale because there I don't have a muffin top to deal with (or as much bra fat). I'd like to be able to put on a dress sans Spanx.

saef
08-10-2013, 01:06 PM
Yes, you should get some slack, but also remember that there are a few of us who were not obese and do not aspire to fashion model weight. I was never obese--just overweight. I do not aspire to fashion model weight--I want to be on the lower end of the BMI scale because there I don't have a muffin top to deal with (or as much bra fat). I'd like to be able to put on a dress sans Spanx.

Allison, I think that I wasn't clear. What I meant is, those who were morbidly obese and then reached normal weight ought to be cut some slack in being judged "compulsive" in their fears & vigilance, or diagnosed with an eating disorder. I do not mean that those who were "merely" overweight are wrong or lesser beings for wanting to reach a lower weight. I was only speaking of whether the current preventive measures taken by the formerly morbidly obese fit in the spectrum of eating disorders. In some instances, maybe they do, but isn't some of their fears & behavior more understandable? I'm asking that they maybe have their past history & circumstances taken into account when they are being diagnosed or self-diagnosing. Sorry if I was not clear.

As for me, I do not cut myself a lot of slack. It's long been clear to me that I have had eating disorders or exercise compulsions for years, but that they shape-shift, which is why in my one lifetime I've been obese, morbidly obese, anorexic, an exercise bulimic, then obese and morbidly obese again, then an orothorexic and a compulsive exerciser. The thing is not the diagnosis, it's the thinking & behaviors.

alinnell
08-10-2013, 02:43 PM
Allison, I think that I wasn't clear. What I meant is, those who were morbidly obese and then reached normal weight ought to be cut some slack in being judged "compulsive" in their fears & vigilance, or diagnosed with an eating disorder. I do not mean that those who were "merely" overweight are wrong or lesser beings for wanting to reach a lower weight. I was only speaking of whether the current preventive measures taken by the formerly morbidly obese fit in the spectrum of eating disorders. In some instances, maybe they do, but isn't some of their fears & behavior more understandable? I'm asking that they maybe have their past history & circumstances taken into account when they are being diagnosed or self-diagnosing. Sorry if I was not clear.

As for me, I do not cut myself a lot of slack. It's long been clear to me that I have had eating disorders or exercise compulsions for years, but that they shape-shift, which is why in my one lifetime I've been obese, morbidly obese, anorexic, an exercise bulimic, then obese and morbidly obese again, then an orothorexic and a compulsive exerciser. The thing is not the diagnosis, it's the thinking & behaviors.

You're quite right. I wasn't understanding clearly. I do remember seeing some posts from some formerly obese people who had lost weight and kept it off for years and looking at what they eat and what they do to keep the weight off and thinking that I'd be perfectly miserable doing just that. But it is their diligence (as yours) that keeps the weight off. Perhaps if I were more diligent I wouldn't have gained back the weight.

neurodoc
08-11-2013, 10:03 AM
Cherrypie - thank you! I have long wanted to know how others managed to re-size their uploads without having a copy of a photo editing program. Tinypic is great. I will use it often I think.

Vigilance vs obsession. This really is a fine line, and i'm pretty sure that "my vigilance is your obsession" if you know what I mean. I'm certain that I'm not vigilant enough about calories; if I were, I would't constantly be struggling with regain. My siggy is 'every bite counts" as a nod (and personal reminder) to hold myself accountable for every intake, because I can blow a careful day's eating if I drop my guard for just 5 minutes. I'm pretty sure that to others, including DH and DSs, I am way over the line of vigilant into obsessive when I read nutrition guides at restaurants before ordering ("hold on, I can't pull up the .pdf on my phone so I can't order yet"), forego party food in favor of eating handfuls of veggies before we leave our house, or insist that I have to get to the gym for a workout despite having a low-grade fever and chills. I don't personally feel controlled by my behavior on these occasions (as opposed to the feelings of loss of control when I binge), but I DO feel pretty bad if I allow my vigilance to lapse and get "punished" by the scale the next morning. So, which is it? I dunno, but as you said Saef, those of us who are not "reduced obese" (and I too was never quite obese; max BMI was 29.5, but I include myself and other overweight folks in this grouping) really don't understand how much of an effort it is to continuously fight our own physiology.

On a happier note, I went to see "The Way Way Back" yesterday. Really good film. Not completely cheerful but interesting, especially perhaps to those of us who have teen-agers.

alinnell
08-11-2013, 10:41 AM
I agree, Andrea. There is a very fine line between vigilance and obsession. It may all be in the eye of the beholder.

And I loved "The Way Way Back." Probably one of the best movies I've seen this year (and we see A LOT of movies). The very best so far was "Mud."

Up early this morning with three of four animals jumping on various body parts. Often on the weekends I'll get up and feed them and go back to bed for another hour or so, but not today. Hopefully I can get a nap in sometime so I can stay up late enough to watch the first of the last eight episodes of Breaking Bad. I'm only slightly obsessed with this show.

saef
08-11-2013, 12:36 PM
In re-reading my list of eating disorders, to see if what I'd written was really true to my experience (as I try to be straightforward as possible here and honest with myself also), I believe I left one out.

In the progression between exercise bulimia and compulsive exercising, I left out binge disorder. Of course, I also cycled through that, but I consider it part of my recovery. When I stopped exercising really hard as a reaction to my binges, and simply restricted more or less severely afterward, that's what I was going through. I was working with my therapist on not punishing myself afterward. "Just go for a walk," she urged me, and then, knowing me: "And I don't mean power-walk." So there would be these Walks of Shame, through the neighborhood, sometimes at a nearby nature center -- but they helped me because the change of scenery eventually would put my mind on a different track. The things I learned about my bingeing include:

- It is an expression of emotion.
- It is a reaction to restriction and other overcontrolling behavior -- and not always of food!!! Sometimes overcontrolling my time & schedule brings this on.
- It is not a loss of control; on some level, it is a conscious choice to give up control.
- It is a kind of break I give myself, an attempted kindness that goes horribly awry.
- It happens when I feel trapped, backed in a corner, and inadequate, when I fear exposure, when I have overregulated myself and have been too hard on myself, asked too much and given too little.
- It is not simply triggered by particular foods. The other conditions I've described have to be in place. But the foods that I choose are going to be whatever I've been restricting or denying.
- I can watch myself do it, slow it down or stop it now, when once I couldn't. I can break it off.
- I feel regretful afterward, but not self-lacerating, not spiraling down into the blackest of moods, not full of self-recrimination, and I am not punitive. I know why it happened -- and why I chose to halt the particular episode.
- Within 24 hours, I will have forgotten it.
- I wonder sometimes if I'll always be recovering from it. I still do it now, despite years of working on it now, but irregularly, and about 97% of the time now, it's with sugarfree chewing gum -- and with unpleasant results due to the sorbitol. I suspect I would recover if I ate less restrictively, but my reduced obese fears will not allow complete freedom. Maybe if I make it to my 70s or 80s ...

Okay, I think I've given you the whole sequence, and I hope my sharing my experience of what these mental states & behaviors were for me, personally, helps someone in some way. With the usual disclaimer: I am not the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or a mental health professional. I am just someone who's dealt with some ... stuff ... over the course of her lifetime, and I feel the pain of anyone who's had similar issues or feels he or she is edging toward them.

traveling michele
08-11-2013, 12:40 PM
Allison... Are you obsessed or vigilant about the show?!?!

Andrea.... Oh yes. Everything you said rings so true to me. I almost had a panic attack yesterday at lunch. Dd leaves for college Tuesday so we are making some of her fave foods and going to fave restaurants. We left the house at lunch with no plan (already sets off panic in me) and dh and dd started talking about ideas. I kept my mouth shut assuming I would make a good choice wherever we went. They were debating a sandwich place that we've never been to but is known for their unique gargantuan sandwich creations. I had perused their menu before and knew there would be no even somewhat healthy options. I truly felt panicky and luckily they decided on a different spot that we all like. I made a very healthy choice and enjoyed my lunch.

We leave for Tucson Tuesday and again I'm going to be nervous about my meals. I know we are going for Mexican one night but I can order okay there. They are also planning on a hamburger spot that looks deadly. I looked at their menu and think I will just splurge for that meal as there are no good options and I don't want to be a killjoy. I also don't know if I will get to exercise while I'm there. Sigh....

alinnell
08-11-2013, 12:48 PM
Michele~not really obsessed, but when I got home from work Friday, DS had accidentally left the tv on tuned to AMC's Breaking Bad Marathon of season 4. Normally I don't turn on the TV until the news begins, but I thought of no good reason to turn it off as I unpacked my groceries and started dinner! We watched Season 1 last summer or fall and decided to buy seasons 2-4 after that We watched those here and there, stepping it all up this spring as our usual shows went on hiatus. Of course, then we had to buy the first half of season 5 which we devoured in less than a week. My only problem is that it comes on late and I've been falling asleep at 8:30 so we may have to record it and watch it tomorrow ((sigh)).

I'm making some breakfast "muffins" to take to work this week. Each muffin has a couple small chunks of bacon, green onions, broccoli, low fat cheese and an egg. Hopefully they'll turn out good.

Mudpie
08-11-2013, 06:20 PM
saef What you express so clearly pretty well explains why I binge eat and how I've also come to some sort of control. I wish I had your power with words (but not your job :p). Your wise words always clearly sum of so many of the issues we all have.

Thank you yet again.

Dagmar