General chatter - Is there anyone out there like me?




Emma4545
07-04-2013, 10:22 AM
I know this post might be controversial but I hope people will be reasonable.

I have very low caloric needs. I am convinced that my RMR may be about 1100 to 1000. ( I weight at 157) but even when I was 220 I think it was low, about 1300. I even suspect that I do not burn calories off like I am supposed to. Working out for me doesn't seem to do what it says it does. When I was a teen I would skate every single day for hours... and I never seemed to get the bang for my buck that I should have.

For my entire 20's I searched and searched for a physical cause. But my thyroid is normal. I don't have PCOS and, metabolism testing came back normal. I have normal blood sugar and excellent insulin. How I wished there was some physical cause but none could be found. My doctor insists that it is extremely hard to move metabolism substantially either way.

I believe I take after my mother. My mother told me stories of how she had to eat very little to lose weight when she was about 30 and had been slightly over weight her entire life. Here is the thing that got me though... my mom died of stomach cancer... and for about 6 months prior to her death she was hiding what was going on. She wasn't eating at all... and was throwing up. They put in a feeding tube when she was discovered and I will never forget her doctor being amazed that she only lost 10 lbs. TEN! Now she was 83.. but ... she couldn't physically eat...and only lost a small amount of weight.

After 20+ years of failure last year I lost weight on a very low calorie diet that was medically supervised. So I had proper nutrition. But it took about 600 - 800 cals per day to get results.

Now I know you may think that I :messed: the metabolism up, but I think that isn't true. I think I have been this way my entire life. I gained my weight when I went to college and tried to eat like normal people. At that point it was impossible to lose because it was hard to get regular food that had low enough calories.

Since there were plenty of people in my diet program I am going to have to presume there are people like this. I felt like last year I embraced and accepted the reality of the situation and finally did what I needed to do.


PatLib
07-04-2013, 10:44 AM
Have you thought about going vegan? On another post awhile back complained about the same thing and said that going vegan helped. I am personally not vegan and don't think it is immoral to eat animals but I am thinking about going Vegan-Paleo because I have hit some sort of plateau that nothing seems to be getting me out of.

I also watched Forks over Knives and it had some really interesting points on health. (I recommend watching, however, I think they simplify and obviously have an agenda about consuming animals products so I would take somethings they say with a grain of salt.)

Anyways it something to think about, but going vegan-paleo can be dangerous so I will be adding legumes back to my diet if I decide to go vegan-paleo!

flea
07-04-2013, 11:02 AM
I'm a vegan and I agree with that entirely!

There is a lot of controversy over plant-based diets, with many people assuming that it is "dangerous" because you don't get enough fat/protein/b12, or whatever they want to claim. This isn't true, and there have been a handful of solid, independent studies on the benefits of sticking to a (delicious) plant-based diet.

If you're worried about your protein intake, think of it this way:

40 grams a day is more than enough for an adult woman.
My bowl of granola and almond milk this morning was:
approx 1 cup unsweetened almond milk: 2g protein, 4g fibre, 35 cal
approx 1 cup granola: 7g protein, 10g fibre (!!), 190 cal
1 small banana: 2g protein, 30-60 cal?, 1g fibre

that's 11 grams of animal, trans fat free protein just for breakfast. Super filling, SUPER delicious, 15 grams of dietary fibre, and all for under 300 cal.

Meat is totally unnecessary, and just think - your body, in all her infinte wisdom, doesn't always use all the protein you give her, because she doesn't always need it. What happens when she doesn't? she stores it to use tomorrow!

It is VERY hard to develop a deficiency eating modern diets, even when you are eating vegan.

If you'd like to give it a try, I have an endless amount of resources and support to provide!


Emma4545
07-04-2013, 11:48 AM
This isn't true, and there have been a handful of solid, independent studies on the benefits of sticking to a (delicious) plant-based diet.

Well I agree with the above. And I am definitely adding more veggies to the diet. In that it seems I need to concentrate on a high volume low calorie eating plan. So adding a bag of cauliflower to an entree is an excellent mix.

But my job is pretty hectic and I doubt seriously I could ever keep up with the care required to go vegan. Although hopefully someday I might want to try it.

It is just that I don't see people like this on the boards and sometimes people suggest others who claim to be like this are lying and eating too much. I know that isn't true and I feel like there are tons of people like me out there... and either they don't know it or, they don't want to believe it.

If I truly am a mutant I would like to know that too.

Jennifer 3FC
07-04-2013, 12:40 PM
You're not a mutant. :hug: I know of lots of people that have similar issues.

More muscle will burn calories - I can't remember the statistics, but a pound of muscle burns quite a bit more than a pound of fat, just in a resting state.

luckymommy
07-04-2013, 02:16 PM
I agree with Jennifer! Perhaps you could focus on building up your muscle by doing some weight training. I feel for you though and hope you figure it out. Just a quick question though....when you did the medically supervised low cal diet, how did your rate of weight loss compare to others? Or, how many lbs. a week did you lose? Is that what the center typically expected or was it well below the rate of typical loss?

Quiet Ballerina
07-04-2013, 02:52 PM
What are you eating? Can you give us an example of a typical breakfast or lunch for you?

Krazy
07-04-2013, 03:05 PM
Doesn't one pound of muscle burn an extra 5-10 calories? I'm sure there are other sources that will say differently though...

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-many-calories-does-muscle-really-burn-and-why-its-not-about-calories-anyway/#axzz2Y6CliIEJ

For me, I can lose about a pound a week on a 2000 calorie day diet because I do extremely intense cardio. No weights. IMO, I would up your cardio to at least 45-60 min a day, with your heart rate at a 70-90% level. The key is intensity when it comes to cardio (and probably weights too). You SHOULD be sweating; you SHOULD be out of breath/breathing heavy. I workout hard on cardio because I know the harder I work, the more I can eat.

GlamourGirl827
07-04-2013, 03:40 PM
You are not crazy in thinking this!! (incase anyone even off this board has said so)

This is something I struggled with for years, however I also went through periods where I restricted my eating ( down to 400 cals at times) so my metabolism has taken some blows, but it has recovered.

I noticed the same thing, that eating say 1500 cals at say 170 lbs along with exercising did not produce a weight loss. I noticed I had to cut back to like 1000 to lose weight.

Here is what has helped me over the years.

I did have a thyroid issue, and I am on synthroid. I can say that has not seemed to help my weightloss, however it greatly improved my energy levels to exercise.

Very intense high calorie burning workouts. When I got into running and I was doing about 5-6 miles 3-4x a week, the last 20 pounds finally started to come off. I built a lot of muscle too (lower body) and I believe this helped a lot with weight loss.

I had to be careful with what I ate. I have to keep a lower carb diet. Really watch the bread, pasta, even whole grains are still carbs. I try to consume my carbs at breakfast or lunch when they will still have a good part of the day to "burn off'. Carbs are a "instant" source of energy, even my endocrinologist suggest no carbs at all 3 hours before bed.

I WAS a vegetarian for a few years and a vegan for about a year, and it in no way helped. If anything, it made things worse because I was removing meat, egg, and diary (carb free food) and replacing them with all those carbs! Grains, meat substitutes (which have carbs and often sugars in them) ...I was gettting too many carbs. Even with the increase in veggies, it was too much to remove those other things from my diet, for me. For me a piece of chicken is a way better choice than a whole grain anything.

Also, I chose to eat substitutes that were soy based (which you don't have to do) I believe that is why I have thyroid issues and my endocrinologist has said this may or may not be an issue. Soy has been shown to inhibit thyroid function and I consumed it liberally for many years, though I 'll never know for sure if that was the cause, I now have to avoid soy and soy products.

I'm not really sure what studies the other poster is talking about, as the studies I am able to access through my college data base, that address B12 deficiency in vegans and also the issues of infants breastfeed by vegans, say that vegans do have a lower B12 than non vegans, namely if you do not take a B12 supplement. I did a lot of reading on this while I was vegan and this is why when we decided to have children I went back to a regular diet. Although one study said that seaweed consumption seems to help minimize issues with B12 in vegans, so maybe that's worth looking into.

If you are considering going vegan I would do your own research on the topic and on nutrition so that you can do so informed. As someone whose been vegan I think it can be a good choice for some people, as long as its done with the education and understanding of how to do it in a healthy way. I'm saying this as a former vegan and a registered nurse.

However protein does not seem to be an issue or fat, both can be more than adequately obtained from a vegan diet from what I've read.

Good luck!

GlamourGirl827
07-04-2013, 03:45 PM
. This isn't true, and there have been a handful of solid, independent studies on the benefits of sticking to a (delicious) plant-based diet.



Can you cite these studies? I've read studies showing the health benefits of plant based diet,s but I've never seen any that show no B12 deficiency in vegans. They always conclude some type oif deficiency, despite other health benefits! I haven't read as much in recent years, so I suspect there are a lot fo new studies out. Thank you!

PatLib
07-04-2013, 04:30 PM
Can you cite these studies? I've read studies showing the health benefits of plant based diet,s but I've never seen any that show no B12 deficiency in vegans. They always conclude some type oif deficiency, despite other health benefits! I haven't read as much in recent years, so I suspect there are a lot fo new studies out. Thank you!

I been doing research all day on this topic and usually you have to take a B-12 supplement and a lot of soy milk is fortified to address this issue.

The Vegan Society has some good info on it!

http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/nutrition/b12.aspx

Emma4545
07-04-2013, 04:35 PM
I agree with Jennifer! Perhaps you could focus on building up your muscle by doing some weight training.

Just another way I am different. I have been going to the gym for at least a year now. Doing weights about 3x per week. I am not saying I am "buff" but I have reasonable muscle. I typically go to the gym 3 x per week but recently, I went every night (for 6 weeks) and did cardio for about an hour, and you know what? Nothing. I had the same weight loss as when I was just eating less. I have always suspected exercise / weights just does not work for me OR I need to spend like 6 hours in the gym to get what *normies* do at 1 hour.

Suffice it to say I have gone to the gym my entire life. Been decently active and really haven't seen good results. Even looking to my mom... she was always strong as an ox. Routinely beating my brother in arm wrestling. But she could not eat a lot.

On the medically supervised diet the weight loss was fast and sustained. It was amazing. At least 2 lbs per week the first three months and then 1 for sure each week after that. When I tried to diet with food with about 1000 cals I almost never made my goal (always got stuck around 180) and then got super stuck. FOR YEARS.

I suppose I have accepted that I am this way and also accepted that I can get down to my goal 142 -- it is just going to take a lot. One of the issues is that I am still using the diet food and I do worry about the soy. The diet food has several options that are either not soy or low in it and I have been using that.

I just wanted to know if there was anyone like me. If your not, that is fine too. It might be easier if I could find a few and just see what commonalities we had. I think it is possible that there are people like me. Just like some people have high caloric needs some people do not. I suppose if famine comes my way in my life time I will be all set.

Thanks for the suggestions and support.

GlamourGirl827
07-04-2013, 04:49 PM
I been doing research all day on this topic and usually you have to take a B-12 supplement and a lot of soy milk is fortified to address this issue.

The Vegan Society has some good info on it!

http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/nutrition/b12.aspx

Ah ok, that's what I've found as well. A vegan diet on its own is B12 deficient, but a b12 supplement can help. I did see one mentioning seaweed as a good source of b12, so that's worth looking into. I LOVE sushi (veggie rolls with no roe for vegan of course) ...now I want some sushi! lol

Like I said I cannot eat soy. I personally wouldn't recommend it in large amounts from what I've read. Not only does it inhibit thyroid function, but I believe it has a similar effect of estrogen, which I would be curoius is an issue for women at risk for breast cancer, like those with a family history of it. I don't know though, I;ve never read into that aspect of soy.

GlamourGirl827
07-04-2013, 05:00 PM
Just another way I am different. I have been going to the gym for at least a year now. Doing weights about 3x per week. I am not saying I am "buff" but I have reasonable muscle. I typically go to the gym 3 x per week but recently, I went every night (for 6 weeks) and did cardio for about an hour, and you know what? Nothing. I had the same weight loss as when I was just eating less. I have always suspected exercise / weights just does not work for me OR I need to spend like 6 hours in the gym to get what *normies* do at 1 hour.

Suffice it to say I have gone to the gym my entire life. Been decently active and really haven't seen good results. Even looking to my mom... she was always strong as an ox. Routinely beating my brother in arm wrestling. But she could not eat a lot.

On the medically supervised diet the weight loss was fast and sustained. It was amazing. At least 2 lbs per week the first three months and then 1 for sure each week after that. When I tried to diet with food with about 1000 cals I almost never made my goal (always got stuck around 180) and then got super stuck. FOR YEARS.

I suppose I have accepted that I am this way and also accepted that I can get down to my goal 142 -- it is just going to take a lot. One of the issues is that I am still using the diet food and I do worry about the soy. The diet food has several options that are either not soy or low in it and I have been using that.

I just wanted to know if there was anyone like me. If your not, that is fine too. It might be easier if I could find a few and just see what commonalities we had. I think it is possible that there are people like me. Just like some people have high caloric needs some people do not. I suppose if famine comes my way in my life time I will be all set.

Thanks for the suggestions and support.

Can you do a food diary for a week? Write down everything you eat & drink including all amounts measrued and weighed? And times you ate?

Also to a exercise log? Everything you do (speed, incline if on treadmill) and for how long and weights, the weight of the wieghts, reps sets?

Also include a sleep diary? When you went to sleep, when you woke up? Include naps? I recently did a small research paper on a study about this, and like people had siad, there does seem to be a connection between lack of sleep and weight gain or inhibited weightloss.

Do that for a week, weigh the first day you start and the end of the week. And post it here. Aside from myself, I think a lot of members will better be able to help you if we have clearer picture. There may be some strageties that can help with a lower running metabolism.

Oh and out of curiosity, what is your typical resting heartrate? TO find this, before getting out of bed in the morning, count you pulse.

Also do you know what your typical basal temperature is? Again before getting out of bed, take you temperature.

And do you know what you blood pressure usually runs? These questions are my own curiosity. I have some of my own "theories" but lack the credentials and funding to run the studies! lol

Emma4545
07-04-2013, 05:20 PM
I think a lot of members will better be able to help you if we have clearer picture.

I am going to decline to do that. Been there done that. I appreciate the desire to help but I guess I really am telling rather than asking. I am this way. Been this way for my life... tried everything. I suspect (no... know) nothing will change it more than a slight slight bit.

But for your curiosity
I have low / normal blood pressure - 110 / 70 average. Low resting heart 60 bpm. Body temp is usually about 98.2 to 98.6. I don't know about the morning one. Also, don't necessarily take my low BP to mean anything. I had low BP when I was fatter. It dropped substantially after taking vitamin d. About 10 years ago it was in the 130/80 range.

Recently after the failure at the gym I decided it was ruining my sleep (getting home too wired to sleep on time) so I decided to focus on better sleep but I would not say it is typically bad. I get about 7 on the weeknights and more on the weekends. The gym has been pushed off to weekends and days off and I walk at lunch for exercise. But exercise is really just for fun and movement now. I don't think it does anything for weight loss.

Basically I am freaking healthy! The only thing that is high on me is cholesterol.

ETA: One more thing... when I did the low calorie diet, I thought I would be starving. I was not. Was I hungry? Yes. Did I sometimes have to cheat a bit, yes. But for the most part, it really didn't bother me. I mean just no problem at all. None. Now, I started my diet program with someone else and she dropped out after week 2. She was CRAZY unable to eat the food. In general... I really don't have a super problem with eating less other than just being worried I am hurting myself. So, I would add to it that I don't even really need that much food and actually feel a little better eating less.

JohnP
07-04-2013, 06:58 PM
A lot of interesting ideas on this thread. Fortunately, there is science which when done correctly trumps opinions.

Muscle burns 3x as many calories as fat. A lb of fat burns roughly 2 kcals every 24 hours and a lb of muscle about 6. Hoping to put on a bunch of muscle to speed up your metabolism? Well - good luck with that.

A plant based diet is not superior for ... anything unless it is compared to a poor diet. Any diet based primarily on a variety of whole foods is going to work well. Genetics and lifestyle will determine what might be the best macronutrient breakdown.

As for your metabolism Emma, you could have it tested and find out for sure. You can get your BMR and total burn tested and see how few calories you actually burn but you would need to have it test several times at least to get an idea of what exactly is going on.

First, if you look at the studies upon which the calorie calculators are based the scatter plots show that most people fall along a fairly standard curve but there is deviation and there are true data outliers.

Second, people adapt at faster or slower rates than others in the face of declining or increased calories. In other words, if 1500 calories is matintinence you may need to drop calories far lower than expected to lose a lb a week due to your body quickly adapting in the face of reduced intake. Also, your body may not increase it's BMR, SPA and NEAT much in the event that calories are above maintinence.

Finally, you may be very efficient. Meaning that while your BMR might not be slow you could be very good at resting when you're not moving. Small movements over the course of a day can add up to a lot of calories burned.

Have you ever worn a bodybug (gowearfit)? I don't believe they are accurate in most people but what they are good at is measuring and monitoring movement. I wore one for three months and by using one I was able to get into the habit of moving around a lot as it became a bit of a game to see how many calories I could burn in a day outside of formal exercise. It's also when I realized how many calories you can burn just by walking.

Goodluck

PatLib
07-04-2013, 07:19 PM
A lot of interesting ideas on this thread. Fortunately, there is science which when done correctly trumps opinions.

Muscle burns 3x as many calories as fat. A lb of fat burns roughly 2 kcals every 24 hours and a lb of muscle about 6. Hoping to put on a bunch of muscle to speed up your metabolism? Well - good luck with that.

A plant based diet is not superior for ... anything unless it is compared to a poor diet. Any diet based primarily on a variety of whole foods is going to work well. Genetics and lifestyle will determine what might be the best macronutrient breakdown.

As for your metabolism Emma, you could have it tested and find out for sure. You can get your BMR and total burn tested and see how few calories you actually burn but you would need to have it test several times at least to get an idea of what exactly is going on.

First, if you look at the studies upon which the calorie calculators are based the scatter plots show that most people fall along a fairly standard curve but there is deviation and there are true data outliers.

Second, people adapt at faster or slower rates than others in the face of declining or increased calories. In other words, if 1500 calories is matintinence you may need to drop calories far lower than expected to lose a lb a week due to your body quickly adapting in the face of reduced intake. Also, your body may not increase it's BMR, SPA and NEAT much in the event that calories are above maintinence.

Finally, you may be very efficient. Meaning that while your BMR might not be slow you could be very good at resting when you're not moving. Small movements over the course of a day can add up to a lot of calories burned.

Have you ever worn a bodybug (gowearfit)? I don't believe they are accurate in most people but what they are good at is measuring and monitoring movement. I wore one for three months and by using one I was able to get into the habit of moving around a lot as it became a bit of a game to see how many calories I could burn in a day outside of formal exercise. It's also when I realized how many calories you can burn just by walking.

Goodluck

I agree, but weight loss is equal parts diet, health, emotional well-being and control.

My reasoning for suggesting a plant-based diet (paleo-vegan for me) has more do with a lot more thought goes in what you eat (at least for me, technically you could eat sweet potato fries all day in this diet). Just after grocery shopping today I already noticed I pay more attention to labels plus I have to make sure I am not deficient in any vital nutrients.

It is just a way of sort of psychologically conditioning myself as weird as that sounds.

There is a reason that there is no blanket diet for everyone and it has to do with their emotions, control and lifestyle background (basically how they were raised). There is lots of ways that a person can be successful in weight loss whether it is vegan, Mediterranean, Atkins or Weight Watchers but I was just suggesting one that I had read has worked for people and I am going to try. That may not be scientific but again my weight has a lot to with my control issues and Paleo was helpful with that and now I want to try to take it a step further.

Quiet Ballerina
07-04-2013, 11:21 PM
Just another way I am different. I have been going to the gym for at least a year now. Doing weights about 3x per week. I am not saying I am "buff" but I have reasonable muscle. I typically go to the gym 3 x per week but recently, I went every night (for 6 weeks) and did cardio for about an hour, and you know what? Nothing. I had the same weight loss as when I was just eating less. I have always suspected exercise / weights just does not work for me OR I need to spend like 6 hours in the gym to get what *normies* do at 1 hour.

Suffice it to say I have gone to the gym my entire life. Been decently active and really haven't seen good results. Even looking to my mom... she was always strong as an ox. Routinely beating my brother in arm wrestling. But she could not eat a lot.



I don't mean this in a critical way, but I'm particularly curious about the parts I put in bold. What do you consider "doing weights"? What is cardio for "about an hour" to you? What is "decently active"?

Since you don't want to share your actual diet or exercise routine....how will anyone have a good enough picture to offer any insight?

Emma4545
07-05-2013, 07:03 AM
Since you don't want to share your actual diet or exercise routine....how will anyone have a good enough picture to offer any insight?

I didn't ask you or anyone else to offer insight. I asked if there were other people like me out there that had an efficient body. That is the topic of the thread.

I am still seeking people who are like me and have an efficient body. Please post or PM me.

Quiet Ballerina
07-05-2013, 10:19 AM
I didn't ask you or anyone else to offer insight. I asked if there were other people like me out there that had an efficient body. That is the topic of the thread.

I am still seeking people who are like me and have an efficient body. Please post or PM me.

But how will we know if we don't know more?

Person A might consider a good cardio workout to be walking on a treadmill, zero incline, 3 mph, for 30 minutes.

Person B might consider a good cardio workout to be jogging on a treadmill, 8 incline, 4.5 mph, for 45 minutes.

Person C might consider a good cardio workout to be running on a treadmill, 10 incline, 6 mph, for 35 minutes....and then running stairs for 10 minutes.

All can be considered cardio, and each will give you different results.

GlamourGirl827
07-05-2013, 11:53 AM
But how will we know if we don't know more?

Person A might consider a good cardio workout to be walking on a treadmill, zero incline, 3 mph, for 30 minutes.

Person B might consider a good cardio workout to be jogging on a treadmill, 8 incline, 4.5 mph, for 45 minutes.

Person C might consider a good cardio workout to be running on a treadmill, 10 incline, 6 mph, for 35 minutes....and then running stairs for 10 minutes.

All can be considered cardio, and each will give you different results.

I agree with this. You may think you are burning lower than you are. And as John suggested you can get your basal metabolisc rate tested if you are very concerned. I didn't come to the conclusion that I tend to burn less calories than the average joe without some serious calculating over many years. Also your BP is not low, that's fine. Same with your resting heart rate, that's still within normal limits.

My BP runs around 90/60 on a good day, but sometimes is as low as 80/50, which is low but for me I'm ok. I start to feel unwell when I get into numbers like the 70s/40s...My resting heartrate is (when I'm not prego) in the low 50s, and occasionally in the high 40s, and I had a sleep study done several years ago, and I was told the next day that I had several times during the night when my heart rate was in the 30s. It was like this long before I was a runner, and I have been asked if I was a runner in my early 20s because of this unusually low heart rate. Your basal temp is fine. Mine is about 96.0 in the AM but I have done some reading that has suggested this may be related to my thyroid, despite being on medication. And my thyroid is not that off, without meds I only hav a tsh of about 3.0 which is on the border of the new normal range. My doctor treats it because I am very symptomatic at 3, but the hypothyroid symptoms stop when I'm in the 1 range.

What I was getting at was abnormally low numbers, which yours are not. I have theories about these numbers being connected to effiecently running bodies.

Anyway, if you are not willing to provide extra info then people will eventually stop helping you. Most people here have been doing this for a very very long time and some may have experience with different types of diet and exercise that may be more effective for you. I know for me, staying lower carbs helps a lot. But I don't know if you are already eating lower carb if you don't want to provide any info.

Also I have found that certain exercise does help as well, but the exercise description you gave is vague, like the other poster pointed out so I cant say "well try this or this, it may help".

Most of the time, with this being a weightloss forum, people are posting for insight and help to lose weight. Very rarely do we get posters that say I can't lose weight and I don't want help fixing it, I just want to meet other posters that can't lose either. That's why you are going to get a lot of responses trying to assist you in how to get through any challenges to achieve your goal. Saying you don't want insight on weightloss on a weightloss forum...well, come on now.

GlamourGirl827
07-05-2013, 11:57 AM
As for your metabolism Emma, you could have it tested and find out for sure. You can get your BMR and total burn tested and see how few calories you actually burn but you would need to have it test several times at least to get an idea of what exactly is going on.



I would suggest this, if you have come to the point where you are convinced that your BMR is that low. This would be your final confirmation, then you can go from there about possibly being on a medical supervised low calorie diet, or seek out medical professionals that have the education to advise you on how to go about healthy weight loss. Also, if you have the proof that you are burning as low as you think, you can take it back to your doctor and make sure they have checked every possible thing to be sure there is not an underlying condition causing this.

strugglingover40
07-09-2013, 11:15 AM
i am interested in learning more about the information that you have and the resources. thanks in advance for any information you can share

strugglingover40
07-09-2013, 12:59 PM
I'm a vegan and I agree with that entirely!

There is a lot of controversy over plant-based diets, with many people assuming that it is "dangerous" because you don't get enough fat/protein/b12, or whatever they want to claim. This isn't true, and there have been a handful of solid, independent studies on the benefits of sticking to a (delicious) plant-based diet.

If you're worried about your protein intake, think of it this way:

40 grams a day is more than enough for an adult woman.
My bowl of granola and almond milk this morning was:
approx 1 cup unsweetened almond milk: 2g protein, 4g fibre, 35 cal
approx 1 cup granola: 7g protein, 10g fibre (!!), 190 cal
1 small banana: 2g protein, 30-60 cal?, 1g fibre

that's 11 grams of animal, trans fat free protein just for breakfast. Super filling, SUPER delicious, 15 grams of dietary fibre, and all for under 300 cal.

Meat is totally unnecessary, and just think - your body, in all her infinte wisdom, doesn't always use all the protein you give her, because she doesn't always need it. What happens when she doesn't? she stores it to use tomorrow!

It is VERY hard to develop a deficiency eating modern diets, even when you are eating vegan.

If you'd like to give it a try, I have an endless amount of resources and support to provide!
i would be interested in learning more resources

Skittlez
07-09-2013, 03:37 PM
I'd love some resources and support about going vegan too as I'm considering it :)

Emma4545
07-15-2013, 09:29 AM
So only one person responded. That person is 20 years older than me (and thus should have a slower metabolism) and actually eats more than I do and is a bit less active. So I have completely had it and decided to see the doctor. I hope that she will do what I ask and test what I ask... I know I may face and uphill battle.

My problem seems to be in the way of metabolism. I have high cholesterol. Even after losing weight my cholesterol went up. On a program of eating diet food. That makes no sense unless my body is not processing normal food properly. I feel like I have some sort of hypothyroid issue. While... my TSH always comes back normal... and well under three... I don't care.

I came up with a theory. Iodine deficency. http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2011/oct2011_The-Silent-Epidemic-of-Iodine-Deficiency_01.htm. I have to be careful because too much Iodine can hurt you just as much as too little... but... it makes a ton of sense for me.

- from the day I was born my parents were on a low salt diet. I never eat salt.. I never put it on my food. I don't even cook with it. I usually substitute it in any cooking. What does table salt have ... iodine!

- according to this... much of iodine in salt is eliminated by cooking.. so you might think you are getting enough but you are not.

- my mother always had exactly the same issues as I do ... having to eat very little... she died of stomach cancer. According to the link, stomach cancer is linked to iodine deficiency.

- I have long suspected that working out hard actually DOES NOTHING for my dieting. Walking actually seems to be better.. turns out.. there is a reason... sweating can really reduce your iodine stores.

I am going to have my doctor test it to see if I am low but also eat more anyway. I had thought my multi had it in there but it does not.

GlamourGirl827
07-15-2013, 10:03 AM
So only one person responded. That person is 20 years older than me (and thus should have a slower metabolism) and actually eats more than I do and is a bit less active. So I have completely had it and decided to see the doctor. I hope that she will do what I ask and test what I ask... I know I may face and uphill battle.

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Only one person responded to what?? Did you start another thread somewhere?

Emma4545
07-15-2013, 10:21 AM
Only one person responded to what?? Did you start another thread somewhere?

To this thread. So only one person said they had the issues I did (by PM).

GlamourGirl827
07-15-2013, 12:43 PM
To this thread. So only one person said they had the issues I did (by PM).

Ah, ok. Well definitely get to a doc, have them test your metabolism and go from there. Bring with you a food log to show her what you are consuming, and exercise, and sleep too. You may not want to post it here, but I can pretty much promise you that if you just walk into a doctor's office and ask them to do what you ask, it will not happen. However, if you bring the evidence on the first appointment (so do a log like the week leading up) it will give the doctor some idea of what's going on and they may be more willing to run the needed tests. There are A LOT of people that *think* they "can't" lose weight, and it turns out they are making errors and its not their metabolism, therefor you are in a tight position that you are trying to show the doctor you are not one of those people. Go prepared, have the food/ exercise/ and sleep (no harm in that) ready. Make sure you are specific with amounts, measurements, times, speeds on treadmill, weights etc. And this way you will already be one step closer to getting what you need to solve this. Good luck!

Vex
07-15-2013, 03:15 PM
Regarding your cholesterol, are you on any medication that may have a side effect of elevated cholesterol?

I was on something for years that as soon as I stopped taking it my cholesterol numbers dropped.

Emma4545
07-15-2013, 08:06 PM
Regarding your cholesterol, are you on any medication that may have a side effect of elevated cholesterol?

No.. no medications.

Lolo70
08-01-2013, 09:47 PM
If you have high cholesterol, I assume you are talking LDL? Slow metabolism and high LDL can be a sign of hypothyroidism. You said you tested, but which thyroid hormones were actually tested? Just TSH or all of them?

Emma4545
08-01-2013, 10:37 PM
If you have high cholesterol, I assume you are talking LDL? Slow metabolism and high LDL can be a sign of hypothyroidism. You said you tested, but which thyroid hormones were actually tested? Just TSH or all of them?

Just TSH. Like 99% of doctors... she won't do any further testing if TSH comes back normal. Which it always does.

Cholesterol is over all high (most recent one 290) and high LDL. Over 170.

TheFinalFifteen
03-07-2014, 07:22 PM
Emma, did you ever see a doctor?

I am new to 3FC and your "story" resonates with me so loudly. I actually just today made an appointment with a doctor, I'm getting some bloodwork done but I am not sure it's the "right" bloodwork.

I am killing myself to lose weight and have for some time -- nothing. Nada. Everythign you said sounds like my story -- except the mom part -- my mom is small and eats liberally. My father is another story, always watching his weight.

I was just curious if your journey has led you to any conclusions, I would love to hear how the last 6 months have been for you.

Emma4545
08-28-2014, 07:16 AM
I was just curious if your journey has led you to any conclusions, I would love to hear how the last 6 months have been for you.

Not really. I had a stressful time (moving and buying real estate) and gained back 20 lbs. Ugh. But I did get my metabolism tested again. 1400 RMR and 1700 with exercise. But if you think I can just eat 1000 cals per day and lose weight... you are wrong. I am starting to wonder if my scale is broken.

I am currently trying cutting out wheat. But I have been doing it for 5 days PLUS, eating about 1000 cals and I haven't seen anything happen on the scale.

My doctor is completely uncooperative. I had to pay for the metabolsim testing out of my own pocket.

Iodine didn't do much.

ICUwishing
08-28-2014, 09:35 AM
Not sure where you live, but you do sound like a classic subclinical hypothyroid, and it might benefit you to change doctors. The phrase "my doctor is completely uncooperative" is a big alarm bell! There are doctors who do specialize in thyroid conditions, know that the current baselines for "normal" are screwed up and outdated, and will be open to trying things to fix your symptoms - plus get at the root cause of why your thyroid is underperforming and what's realistic to do about it.

I don't have your metabolism concern, but everything else I can match you step for step. My TSH is perfectly normal too. But oddly enough (;)) the lowest dose of Armour has resolved my dry skin, poor sleep, fatigue, constantly feeling like I'm going to freeze to death, and brain fog. It takes the right doctor. With some creative accounting, they code one of my two followups per year as a physical, so that's covered. The Armour is discounted via my current insurance (it's really inexpensive anyway), and some of the bloodwork is covered. I found my doctor via Mary Shomon's recommendations and links.

Good luck - and don't give up. Life with a fully-supported thyroid is pretty amazing and is worth pursuing.

GlamourGirl827
08-28-2014, 12:38 PM
First of all this thread is ooooollllddddd!!! lol It has been resurrected!!

It is great you were able to get you RMR rate tested. I don't know yor height and weight, so its hard to say if that's normal, but if you follow the old "add a zero" method, that would mean for 1400 to me normal you are 140 lbs? But I'm guessing since you are struggling to lose weight that you weigh more perhaps? In other words, is 1400 still pretty low for you?

Subclinical hypothyroidism is very possible. You should also have your t4 and t3 tested and even thyroid antibodies. I am positive for those and its because I have hashimoto's which means at times I have flare ups. My doctor has said if we took labs during a flare up and not a flare up they would appear different. Can you go to an endocrinologist? I hope you can get to the bottom of this!