Weight Loss Support - Ok...so...my doctor's office called re: my weightloss




elvislover324
05-02-2013, 03:27 PM
My doctor's office knows all that I'm going through with cancer/weightloss/fertility and that I'm on a serious mission to get this weight off and try to get a baby on the way. They are so supportive and try to keep me calm (LOL) and logical about my weightloss, hormones, stress, etc.

After gaining .6lbs last week and only losing .2 this week, I was a basket case when I left there on Monday. I know the doctor looked twice at me when I left as I think he knew I cried my eyes out with the nurse.

My nutritionist called me after reviewing my MFP info for the week...she thinks I'm not eating enough to support my C25K addition in my exercise!! Before I started C25K, I eat about 1100 calories a day and subtract out my exercise of 300-400 for a net of 700-800. I'm on Week 6 of C25K which adds about 30 mins. walk/run to my calories burned 3x a week but I haven't been adding in any food for them. I haven't been hungry to do that so I figured I was fine. She wants me to eat a bit more on days I work out that hard.

Are you kidding me?! I might have stalled because I don't eat more?! She obviously couldn't tell me the exact reason I haven't lost as my body is a mystery right now with my hormones/TOM 10 days ago/harder exercise but I felt so much better talking to her.

I have been perfect on my plan and really beating myself up inside not knowing what I could be doing wrong. This week I have been taking it easier on the exercise just due to frustration of working my butt off and not getting anything for it. Maybe it will pay off seeing that it's already Thursday and then I'll get back in my harder groove next week and increase my calories (assuming I get my onederland wish).

She emphasized not concentrating so much on the scale (and I know this) but it's just so hard.

But I will be really really mad if I figure out that I could have been stuffing my face with some of my exercise calories! (That statement contained a little bit of sarcasm. ;) )

I feel so much better about things but still nervous about all of this. I want to weigh as low as possible when I go back to my fertility doctor at the end of this month.


wolfgirl69
05-02-2013, 03:34 PM
I'm sorry about all your struggles :hug: I'm glad your feeling much better! And try your best not to stress about your goal here. It won't help your weight loss. Maybe try some relaxation methods like drinking green tea and stuff.

gailr42
05-02-2013, 03:36 PM
I am wondering if you are loosing fat and building muscle which might actually show a net gain on the scale...I believe you and congratulate you for being perfectly on plan. I wish I could say that about me. LOL. You have been doing so well, please don't beat yourself up. I know that's much easier said than done, but think positively. You are an inspiration to me.


thnknthin1
05-02-2013, 03:48 PM
Wonderful news! Glad you are feeling better about things after speaking to her. You know, when I stalled out for about 6 weeks I did some calorie cycling which included increasing calories for several days and back to lower calories, that seemed to budge my stall. I hope it does the same for you as well.

I love MFP! I can give you my username if you want a friend on there. :hug:

Mozzy
05-02-2013, 03:54 PM
Hugs!

I think her advice is worth a try! Good luck!

JohnP
05-02-2013, 03:59 PM
Learning the difference between weight loss and fat loss is something every dieter should do.

Why haven't you lost weight? Simple answer: who knows! You're retaining water for one reason or another.

There are a large number of factors that come into play when you are talking about weight loss. Stepped up your exercise? Yep. Stressing over the scale? Yep. Increasing exercise and stress are the two non dietary "big ones" when it comes to water flux.

This should not be confused with fat loss.

Fat loss is fairly linear but you cannot measure it very easily or accurately. Fat loss is always an equation of calories.

Based on the calories you're eating - you have lost fat. Why are you retaining water? Who knows! The scale will reward you with a "whoosh" soon enough.

Knowledge is power people.

elvislover324
05-02-2013, 04:00 PM
I'm sorry about all your struggles :hug: I'm glad your feeling much better! And try your best not to stress about your goal here. It won't help your weight loss. Maybe try some relaxation methods like drinking green tea and stuff.

Thanks, wolfgirl. I'm trying so hard not to stress!

I am wondering if you are loosing fat and building muscle which might actually show a net gain on the scale...I believe you and congratulate you for being perfectly on plan. I wish I could say that about me. LOL. You have been doing so well, please don't beat yourself up. I know that's much easier said than done, but think positively. You are an inspiration to me.

Thanks so much, gail! I'm hoping it's muscle too!! I'm only perfect on plan as I want a baby so very badly. It's literally the one thing I think about when I am tempted to go off plan but so far it's working for me. :) Positive thoughts, positive thoughts!!

Wonderful news! Glad you are feeling better about things after speaking to her. You know, when I stalled out for about 6 weeks I did some calorie cycling which included increasing calories for several days and back to lower calories, that seemed to budge my stall. I hope it does the same for you as well.

I love MFP! I can give you my username if you want a friend on there. :hug:

Thanks, thnkthin! I have a feeling she called me as I was so sad on Monday when I left there. So it was a check-up call except made it look like it was an info call, you know? Either way, I'm happy she called. I hope the cycling works too but I'm not going to try until next week. I think the stress relief I feel right now was worth the whole phone call. I didn't want her to think I was cheating on my diet as I wasn't! And...I don't have any friends on MFP, not even my husband (lol). It's a username set up just for my doctor's office. Thank you though!!

Hugs!

I think her advice is worth a try! Good luck!

Thanks, Mozzy! I was going to tell her you are waiting for me in the 190s before you leave! (JK lol)

elvislover324
05-02-2013, 04:02 PM
Learning the difference between weight loss and fat loss is something every dieter should do.

Why haven't you lost weight? Simple answer: who knows! You're retaining water for one reason or another.

There are a large number of factors that come into play when you are talking about weight loss. Stepped up your exercise? Yep. Stressing over the scale? Yep. Increasing exercise and stress are the two non dietary "big ones" when it comes to water flux.

This should not be confused with fat loss.

Fat loss is fairly linear but you cannot measure it very easily or accurately. Fat loss is always an equation of calories.

Based on the calories you're eating - you have lost fat. Why are you retaining water? Who knows! The scale will reward you with a "whoosh" soon enough.

Knowledge is power people.

Thank you so much for replying on my thread. I trust your posts and am so happy you are giving us your knowledge. And I'm so glad for fat loss! Thank you, John.

NorthernChick13
05-02-2013, 04:31 PM
Hey Elvis! I love that your doctor is giving you such personalized attention! Upping your calories could totally be the right step for you. Jillian says the only failure you can have in life is to disengage, and you are CLEARLY engaged in this! You've got this!!!

PreciousMissy
05-02-2013, 04:48 PM
Thanks, thnkthin! I have a feeling she called me as I was so sad on Monday when I left there. So it was a check-up call except made it look like it was an info call, you know? Either way, I'm happy she called. I hope the cycling works too but I'm not going to try until next week. I think the stress relief I feel right now was worth the whole phone call.

That is a GREAT doctor/nutritionist right there! Just the fact that they called you to make sure that you were doing ok and to reevaluate your current plan speaks volumes.

and

WHOO-HOO for more food!!! ;)

the shiv
05-02-2013, 04:53 PM
What a relief! That's so reassuring that your team is really paying attention to how you're doing, and is willing to change things up as you progress to help you meet your goals :hug:

I've heard a lot about exercise causing weight stalls, with water retention masking fat loss that's going on in the background - same goes for stress. The stress I have plenty experience of, the exercise... Not so much, yet!

So: you're perfectly on plan as for what's happening with your body. But as for what's happening with your mind? It sounds like that area could use support. Our minds are so involved with our hormones, which are tied to our weight loss. Are you able to see a counsellor to help you through the mental aspects of this journey? You're going through a lot, and with so much attached to the outcome, you shouldn't be expected to go through this alone :hug: Ok, you've got us guys and your family & friends, but some personal attention from someone whose job it is to just listen and help you process your emotions might be worth a thought. I'm not prying, I hope that came across ok, just throwing it out there as an idea. It's certainly helped me in the past, but of course, my circumstances are different.

Either way, I hope this change in approach helps you whoosh closer to where you want to be :D :grouphug:

IanG
05-02-2013, 04:53 PM
I am convinced it's probably water Elvis with all this exercise you are doing. My weight went up 2lbs in two days once I joined the gym and dropped a pound this morning. Those are real big swings for me.

I'm paying less attention to the scale now I am exercising although I will still weigh daily. I'm just gonna have to live with bigger fluctuations if I am working out.

elvislover324
05-02-2013, 04:53 PM
Hey Elvis! I love that your doctor is giving you such personalized attention! Upping your calories could totally be the right step for you. Jillian says the only failure you can have in life is to disengage, and you are CLEARLY engaged in this! You've got this!!!

Thanks NorthernChick!! I love my doctor's office. They act like I'm a special patient because of my amazing weightloss when I thank them so much for helping me. They always tell me they just give me the direction and that it's me doing the actual work. But they make me want to succeed, you know? And I will never disengage, no matter what. :)

That is a GREAT doctor/nutritionist right there! Just the fact that they called you to make sure that you were doing ok and to reevaluate your current plan speaks volumes.

and

WHOO-HOO for more food!!! ;)

Awwww, thanks Missy!! Like I said above, my doctor's office is amazing. They are doing everything they can to help me succeed. And lol @ more food. It actually makes me so very nervous! Logically I can't see eating more to lose more but I'm trusting they know what to do! But I'm not doing it til next week, I'm afraid to overload myself up before Monday's weigh-in!

elvislover324
05-02-2013, 05:00 PM
What a relief! That's so reassuring that your team is really paying attention to how you're doing, and is willing to change things up as you progress to help you meet your goals :hug:

I've heard a lot about exercise causing weight stalls, with water retention masking fat loss that's going on in the background - same goes for stress. The stress I have plenty experience of, the exercise... Not so much, yet!

So: you're perfectly on plan as for what's happening with your body. But as for what's happening with your mind? It sounds like that area could use support. Our minds are so involved with our hormones, which are tied to our weight loss. Are you able to see a counsellor to help you through the mental aspects of this journey? You're going through a lot, and with so much attached to the outcome, you shouldn't be expected to go through this alone :hug: Ok, you've got us guys and your family & friends, but some personal attention from someone whose job it is to just listen and help you process your emotions might be worth a thought. I'm not prying, I hope that came across ok, just throwing it out there as an idea. It's certainly helped me in the past, but of course, my circumstances are different.

Either way, I hope this change in approach helps you whoosh closer to where you want to be :D :grouphug:

Thank you, Shiv!! My doctor's office is amazing, I think I made them nervous having a crying breakdown 2 weeks in a row. Now I feel bad!! But it makes me feel so loved and supported knowing they checked up on me and had suggestions to help.

I have been offered "mental" help with all I'm going through but I declined. I'm such a private person (you'd never know that here, would you??) and the thought of someone having a "mental health" file on me would be more stress than it's worth. My family members have totally benefitted from that type of help but I'm so darn stubborn and try to be so self sufficient that I can't do something like that. And I always get nervous if I dig too deep in my past, what other issues will it cause. I'm trying to let sleeping dogs lie and just deal with my present issues right now. :) And I can't thank you all enough! :hug:

I am convinced it's probably water Elvis with all this exercise you are doing. My weight went up 2lbs in two days once I joined the gym and dropped a pound this morning. Those are real big swings for me.

I'm paying less attention to the scale now I am exercising although I will still weigh daily. I'm just gonna have to live with bigger fluctuations if I am working out.

Thanks Ian, you could be right! All I can think of is that C25K is getting consistently harder and I'm feeling muscles I haven't felt in over a decade! I wanted to start doing the 30 Day Shred too, I'm so glad I waited. I know it's just water weight but still, onederland is eluding me in the worst way!!

Arctic Mama
05-02-2013, 05:29 PM
What an excellent doctor. That's extremely rare to get such caring, personal advice that is actually useful!

Your calories may be a little low if you're trying to build muscle, sure, but I'd say go with your hunger as the best litmus on this one. And like the other posters, I'm thinking this is just mysterious water retention. If you've been on plan you ARE losing fat tissue with that set of exercise/diet behaviors. But I know how frustrating it can be when the scale doesn't show it :hug:

elvislover324
05-02-2013, 05:42 PM
What an excellent doctor. That's extremely rare to get such caring, personal advice that is actually useful!

Your calories may be a little low if you're trying to build muscle, sure, but I'd say go with your hunger as the best litmus on this one. And like the other posters, I'm thinking this is just mysterious water retention. If you've been on plan you ARE losing fat tissue with that set of exercise/diet behaviors. But I know how frustrating it can be when the scale doesn't show it :hug:

Thanks, Artic Mama! This office is amazing, I can't say enough good things about them. I think I really bonded with the nutritionist and the nurse when I first visited them so hopeless and not knowing what to do after my diagnosis (I had a LOT of weight to lose plus I had just been prescribed a drug that caused weight gain as a side effect...). That was 9 months ago and I have seen them every single week since then. I don't know what I would have done without them.

And you are right, I'm *not* hungry enough to want to eat more so I'm going to plug along this week (with the less intense total exercise I decided to not do) and see what the scale surprises me with. :D
All I can say, it better be good!
:D:D:D:D:D

And just for the record, my doctor's office is as important to me as all of you are. And that says a lot!!!
:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

Arctic Mama
05-02-2013, 06:33 PM
This might make you feel better - I've been on plan for several weeks postpartum and was persistently stuck in the 173-174 range. It was starting to really annoy me, and I've been at this five years! But once my hormones settled down and I got over illness last Friday, the scale began moving. Now, a week later, I'm seeing 168-169 on the scale! Six days with no discernible changes to my plan, and suddenly the weight drops in whooshes.

Go figure, right?

As for your doctor - can I ask when the next treatment for you is going to be, if that's not too personal? I know you wanted to drop the weight before giving the fertility treatments a go - but you HAVE to be close at this point! The progress you've made in nine months is incredible, and topping that off with a baby would be divine :)

elvislover324
05-02-2013, 06:56 PM
Thanks for sharing that, Arctic Mama! So happy you got the woosh, now I want one too!!

It's not too personal. :)

It's a LONG story but here is the short version.

After getting the "all clear" sign from my cancer doc at the end of March to get pregnant if possible, she and the fertility doctor had to discuss my best method to conceive the quickest. She has given me 6 months to get pregnant before I have to be tested for the cancer status again (it will grow back, there just isn't a timeline that can be given). I stopped taking the cancer meds (can't get pregnant while on them as it can cause birth defects) and then had to wait for my cycle to come back (I hadn't had one since June). Middle of April I got it (that's when my weightloss got wonky) and then on Day 3 of the cycle I had to get to the fertility doc's office to get blood work and an ovary ultrasound done. Then I had to wait to meet with the fertility doc to discuss results which was last Friday (there is a lot of waiting in all of this!). The number of eggs on my ovaries is really low for someone my age who is not yet menopausal and one of my hormone levels was unusually low. So, he wants to test again this month on Day 3 of my cycle. In a "regular" situation for a woman with these issues (I call them issues but he isn't overly concerned yet, I could possibly conceive naturally!), a woman would be given meds to stimulate egg growth and regulate their hormone level. For me, I can't do that...since my cancer is estrogen dependent, he's very leery of trying his usual treatments with me. My poor fertility doctor, he's the best too. I'm so blessed to have the medical care that I do. He told me he thinks about my case so much (even in the middle of the night!) to try and figure out the best course of action while obviously keeping me and my life safe. My OB/GYN, my oncologist, and my fertility doctor seem like they were chosen by God to treat me. I have never felt so safe than when I know they are discussing my care. I trust them all literally with my life (which may sound na´ve to some but I'm not!).

So....that's the short version (LOL). So patiently waiting to get my cycle this month and have him confirm the results. But if I get pregnant in the mean time, I will be so happy!

Thank you so much for asking. :hug: I don't talk about any of this in real life except with my husband as it's too stressful for me to have someone in my family or friends asking me every single day if I'm pregnant yet, will I just have a hysterectomy already, etc.

Lecomtes
05-02-2013, 07:26 PM
BIG HUGS! You are doing awesome, your drive is inspirational! I'm glad you seem to have a really great support system too. A net intake of 800ish cals would leave me pretty hungry! That's interesting that your nutritionist pointed out that it might slow loss. I'm glad she was able to put your mind at ease a bit, don't beat yourself up...remember, to us, you are a hero!

the shiv
05-02-2013, 08:06 PM
I totally understand, Elvis :) :hug: I'm actually a really private person in real life too, maybe that's why I talk so much online, heh ;)

Hope you didn't mind my comment, I'm just happy you have such great people behind you to really keep on top of this :)

Arctic Mama
05-02-2013, 08:27 PM
I missed that you were given the all clear in March - that's a huge blessing! I'm praying your cycle and hormones cooperate and you don't need to mess with any additional trigger shots or other treatments that might cause issues with your cancer. What a difficult situation to work around - so many dependent factors.

I'm officially sending you all my baby dust - if you conceived on your own in the next cycle or two that would be AWESOME! :hug:

IanG
05-02-2013, 10:22 PM
Wow. What a good team you have there Elvis. Fingers crossed for quality eggs. Once they are there, you'll be good to go! A womb is a womb. It's the eggs that count in this game.

And, if they do come, I would strongly suggest harvesting and freezing them.

elvislover324
05-03-2013, 12:35 PM
BIG HUGS! You are doing awesome, your drive is inspirational! I'm glad you seem to have a really great support system too. A net intake of 800ish cals would leave me pretty hungry! That's interesting that your nutritionist pointed out that it might slow loss. I'm glad she was able to put your mind at ease a bit, don't beat yourself up...remember, to us, you are a hero!

Aww, thank you Lecomtes. A hero?! You are too sweet! I'm just trying to do the best I can for my body and health (wish I never let it get this far but...I can't live in the past, you know?) and then trying to pay it all forward helping anyone any way I can! 800 calories with the right foods makes me feel like I'm eating all day!! And when I first started, I think I ate about 3000 (or more, yuck) a day. I get a heck of a lot more bang for my buck with 200 calories of broccoli and cauliflower than I do for a serving or 2 of chips! Now, I know they aren't the same by any means but my body has never felt better in all my life!

I totally understand, Elvis :) :hug: I'm actually a really private person in real life too, maybe that's why I talk so much online, heh ;)

Hope you didn't mind my comment, I'm just happy you have such great people behind you to really keep on top of this :)

OMG Shiv, I never ever mind anyone's comments around here when their heart is in the right place and I know yours was!! And I'm the same as you, I talk a lot online about what is in my heart. In real life, I talk a lot too (!!) but not about the things near and dear to my heart. It's almost like if I say them out loud then it makes it real, you know? :hug:

I missed that you were given the all clear in March - that's a huge blessing! I'm praying your cycle and hormones cooperate and you don't need to mess with any additional trigger shots or other treatments that might cause issues with your cancer. What a difficult situation to work around - so many dependent factors.

I'm officially sending you all my baby dust - if you conceived on your own in the next cycle or two that would be AWESOME! :hug:

Thanks Arctic Mama!! :hug: I'm so blessed that I even made it this far to try and get pregnant. Obviously I hope I do but if it's not meant to be, at least I know I tried every single thing I could before giving up and moving onto the next chapter in my life. My doctors all say I'm the most determined person they ever met. I just tell them honestly, this is all I know how to do. Give me a challenge and I'll take it on with all my heart!

Wow. What a good team you have there Elvis. Fingers crossed for quality eggs. Once they are there, you'll be good to go! A womb is a womb. It's the eggs that count in this game.

And, if they do come, I would strongly suggest harvesting and freezing them.

Thanks Ian!! Love having a man's perspective around here. In my case, it's my womb that's the problem. :( That's where the cancer is and a woman's body is smart enough to not implant/get pregnant when there is any threat looming there (that's why I'm in a hurry, the cancer was cleared out with my meds and it's slow growing we hope in my case). The best thing about this if I can get pregnant (besides the baby of course!) is that the hormones naturally produced by a woman's body when pregnant will actually keep the cancer suppressed until I give birth. Isn't that mind boggling? I took the highest dose possible of progesterone allowed to suppress the cancer and if I get pregnant, my body (or any woman's body) will produce boatloads more and protect me!