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Ishbel
04-03-2013, 03:15 PM
This is from the Beck Diet Solution....she's related it to dieting but it's also called "DISTORTED THINKING" (if you google it you'll find copious amounts of examples). I found it years and years ago and have been working on the specific ones I need to work on for years (it's a daily struggle sometimes).


Common Thinking Errors
People who have difficulties in losing weight or keeping it off display a pattern of thinking errors that are associated with overeating. We always tell our dieters: Just because you think something doesn't mean it's true. Some common thinking errors (and helpful responses to them) include:

All-or-Nothing Thinking (when dieters see things as completely one way or the other when there is really a broad range in between)

Sabotaging Thought: Either I'm completely perfect on my diet or I've completely failed.

Helpful Response: No one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes. It doesn't make sense to let one mistake derail me completely. I just need to refocus, recover immediately, and then I'll be right back on track.

Self-Deluding Thinking (when dieters rationalize eating something they know they shouldn't)

Sabotaging Thought: It won't count if I eat this because nobody is watching.

Helpful Response: Of course it counts. Whenever I take in calories it counts. My body doesn't know or care whether or not I'm eating alone or in front of 100 people; it processes food the same way.

Discounting the Positive (when dieters unreasonably discount their positive actions or qualities and do not give themselves credit)

Sabotaging Thought: It doesn't matter that I'm now instituting positive eating behaviors; I should have been using these techniques all along.

Helpful Response: I couldn't have done these things; I didn't know how before. I deserve credit for every positive eating behavior, and giving myself the credit I deserve is crucially important in building up my confidence and sense of self-efficacy.


Negative Fortune-Telling (when dieters make a negative prediction without recognizing that it is not the only possible outcome)

Sabotaging Thought: I won't be able to resist eating desserts at the party so I might as well not even try.

Helpful Response: No one will force me to eat. I've stayed in control at other parties and I can do the same for this one if I prepare myself in advance, including using the skills I learned and planning to have a reasonable amount of dessert.

Positive Fortune-Telling (dieters are overly optimistic about the most likely outcome)

Sabotaging Thought: I can get the larger bag of potato chips because I'll be able to have one serving, stop, and feel satisfied.

Helpful Response: History has shown me that stopping at one serving can be very difficult and I almost always want more. To save myself the mental struggle, it's worth it to get the smaller bag with only one serving.

Jumping to Conclusions (when dieters take one observation and assume it only has one possible implication)

Sabotaging Thought: Because I didn't lose weight this week, it must mean that this program isn't working for me.

Helpful Response: People just don't lose weight every single week, even if their eating has been exactly the same. There are a lot of physiological reasons why this is so. I need a lot more data in order to see whether or not my weight loss has plateaued, and even if it has, there are things I can do to start making it go down again.

Mind Reading (when dieters are sure they know what others are thinking, even in the absence of compelling data)

Sabotaging Thought: Everyone will think negatively of me if I eat differently.

Helpful Response: It's actually likely that some people will be proud of me for losing weight and eating more healthfully. It's also likely that a lot of people won't even notice my eating at all, or if they do, they won't think about it one way or the other. Losing weight is more important to me than trying to make sure that no one is critical.

Irrelevance (dieters link two unrelated concepts)

Sabotaging Thought: It's okay to eat this because I'm really upset.

Helpful Response: Just because I'm upset, it does not mean I need to eat. Yes, I do deserve to calm down and be comforted but I don't deserve to eat off track, feel bad about myself, and possibly gain weight. People without a weight problem manage to calm themselves down without turning to food and I can learn to do the same thing.


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Also, can't find the article she wrote about all or nothing thinking but what stood out for me was:

ďif you fell down two sets of stairs, would you throw yourself down the entire stair case?Ē or ďif you ran a red light, got stopped by the cops and given a ticket, would you throw your hands up and say ďwell, I guess Iíll just run all the red lights today, Iíve already got one ticketĒÖ


Momto2cs
04-03-2013, 04:32 PM
That is excellent. I keep seeing references to that book. I am going to read it this weekend.

I am just finishing self compassion and can see some common ideas.

scorbett1103
04-03-2013, 04:37 PM
Great post Ishbel!


Cheekyskeeter
04-03-2013, 04:41 PM
I agree great post!! I'm going to look for the book and start reading it asap....only 2 more weeks before I get to officially join the 'maintainers'

gazelle
04-03-2013, 07:12 PM
That was great Ishbel! I think you should post in a new thread so all the others can read. There seems to be alot of people struggling and this is really good information.

Ishbel
04-04-2013, 10:07 AM
I really like the Beck Diet Solution, it doesn't matter which diet you're on her advice works. I think I liked it because I knew cognitive behaviour 'therapy' works for me. I've been trying to 'reframe' how I think about things since I was in my 20s and didn't know that's what I was doing. Then I found out about 'distorted thinking' and REALLY identified some areas of me that needed to grow. So finding the Beck Diet Solution was like a 'godsend'. I knew KNEW it was exactly what I needed. I downloaded her book and listened to it for almost two weekends while I painted a fence during my Phase 1...she just really makes sense to me.

Yesterday's post via facebook was:

Wednesday Sabotage: I’m just going to eat this because I don’t feel like thinking about it. Response: Even if I decide to eat and ‘not think about it,’ I’ll definitely still think about it when I get on the scale, when my clothes don't fit, and when I’m feeling angry with myself because I'm stuck at a higher weight. No matter what I’m going to think about it, either now (by making healthy choices) or later when I’m facing the consequences.

I said "WHOA" when I read it and VIP said "what?" so I read it to him and he said "did you say that to someone!??!!" and I said "no, that was the beck diet solution..love it" LOL

If you find her on facebook you just keep liking her stuff she'll show up in your newsfeed. It's a good quick little daily reminder to stay focused.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/BeckDietSolution

They aren't all as stark as yesterdays lol!

evepet
04-04-2013, 11:57 AM
Hmm... The Beck Diet Solution. I've seen references to this book here before, and it sounds like it's definitely worth a read. Thanks Ishbel for all the great info.

I'm chuggin' along... nothing drastic to report one way or another. Guess that's why I've been fairly quiet this week. This morning's check on the scales has me 1 lb higher than when I started maintenance on Monday. I've set 150 as my upper limit, so as long as I fluctuate somewhere between 147-149ish, then I'm not bothered about it. I had the highest calorie day so far yesterday though, and the sodium intake was pretty high, so it's probably just water retention. I also got into the natural almonds yesterday and ate more of them than I should have... I can see that I'm going to have to be careful with almonds. :( I buy them whole and throw them into the food processor to make my own almond meal - I'd best do that with most of the rest of what I bought yesterday, so they're not sitting around to tempt me. Maybe leave a handful for a treat today - and the rest get zapped into almond meal!!

Just wanted to say 'Hi'. Hope everyone is having a good day.

KitKat169
04-04-2013, 03:22 PM
I love the Beck Diet Solution book. I'm not finished it yet because I'm trying to give myself to work through each day's activities and thoughts before I rush on to the next page.

Evepet: one of the solutions I've done for myself to prevent the over-eating of snacks like almonds is to pre-separate the desired amount for one sitting into small snack baggies at a time when I'm in control and not eating them. Then when it is time to snack, I grab one and walk away to sit and thoughtfully eat. If I think I want more, then it is a conscience thought to get up and walk to grab a second container. That has been sufficient time to talk myself out of taking too many. (This is a concept I developed from the Beck book.)

I'm doing okay but have been quiet this week because of so much going on. I'll do a bigger update this weekend. I'm stressed but mostly not reacting to it because my allergies are hitting me full on and I'm just too physically worn out to react. I know we are at risk for flooding around my province but I really could use a good hard rain to clear up the snow mold and winter dust.

EPAPRN
04-04-2013, 03:28 PM
Anyone try or use Isopure whey protein powder? My coach gave me that name as well as syntax Nectar to use while on maintenence. The isopure powder has 1 g fat, 210 calls, 0 carb, 50 gm protein. That seems like a lot, doesn't it?

evepet
04-04-2013, 04:06 PM
I love the Beck Diet Solution book. I'm not finished it yet because I'm trying to give myself to work through each day's activities and thoughts before I rush on to the next page.

Evepet: one of the solutions I've done for myself to prevent the over-eating of snacks like almonds is to pre-separate the desired amount for one sitting into small snack baggies at a time when I'm in control and not eating them. Then when it is time to snack, I grab one and walk away to sit and thoughtfully eat. If I think I want more, then it is a conscience thought to get up and walk to grab a second container. That has been sufficient time to talk myself out of taking too many. (This is a concept I developed from the Beck book.)

I'm doing okay but have been quiet this week because of so much going on. I'll do a bigger update this weekend. I'm stressed but mostly not reacting to it because my allergies are hitting me full on and I'm just too physically worn out to react. I know we are at risk for flooding around my province but I really could use a good hard rain to clear up the snow mold and winter dust.

Good idea about separating the almonds into serving sized baggies. I think I'm safer though to turn most of them into almond meal!! Then if I'm tempted to buy anymore (until I need to make meal again), I'll just buy the small packet size. :) Can't lead myself astray so much with that size, and I'll save myself the temptation.

Sorry to hear about your allergies - hope you get some relief soon. I remember watching the news about the major flooding of the Assiniboine & Red River in the past ... hope it isn't like that this spring - once we FINALLY get spring!

WingnutandMe
04-04-2013, 05:45 PM
Anyone try or use Isopure whey protein powder? My coach gave me that name as well as syntax Nectar to use while on maintenence. The isopure powder has 1 g fat, 210 calls, 0 carb, 50 gm protein. That seems like a lot, doesn't it?

I used both in P1 and have used them in recipes now in maintenance. I picked up a low-carb cookbook (Extreme Lo-Carb Cuisine by Sharron Long) at a yard sale (great recipes) and a lot of the recipes call for the plain protein powder and I have the Isopure and use it.

To me, it's an adjustment from P1 label reading to maintenance label reading. We're so "brain washed" to look for no fat, no carbs. Maintenance is a change.

Molly

Maile
04-04-2013, 06:10 PM
I also liked the Beck Diet Solution. I got the tapes and would listen to them on my way to work. Her workbook is helpful. She is excellent at identifying self sabatoging thoughts and offer good solutions!

Thanks Ishbel. That was very helpful.

Momto2cs: Thanks for sharing your 2 year success story. The all or nothing feeling is hard. I find the irrelevant decision one that I have to work on..ie i am anxious so I deserve to eat something good.

Gazelle: Thanks for the exercise information. I know I need to step up my cardio and change..just dragging on doing the change. I easily increase my weights.

It is quiet week here also. Thank goodness tomorrow is Friday. I am trying new Asian recipes.

I can change my marker to one year and 6 months. Hooray.

sonyainva
04-05-2013, 09:48 AM
Thanks Ishbel, now I have one more book to buy :)

Just reading volek and phinney's guide to low carb eating for athletes. Hoping this helps me do Jillian michals workouts

I have always been low on energy, better now, but I know I can be the energizer bunny!

Last week on the cruise I realized carbs suck me in a vortex of over eating

I am thinking about low carbing for maintenance. Still trying to figure out maintenance.

Have ordered a blood glucose monitoring system to measure ketones, want to lose a few more pounds.

evepet
04-05-2013, 09:58 AM
Just wanted to share something that's on my mind a bit this morning, since sharing the Easter weekend with my family. I've noticed others in maintenance reporting on similiar experiences, and can see how I'll have to watch for this too. Even though I spent Easter with family members who've been 150% supportive of my dieting efforts - are thrilled at my success, and certainly want to see me be successful in maintaining - I still got a few 'pokes and prods' to 'take a taste' and 'not worry so much' about sampling the wide array of calorie and sugar/carb laden foods that were available. While they knew I was actively dieting, they didn't do this... but now that they know I've reached my goal, there was occasionally that encouragement to loosen the restraint and indulge. Thinking about it this morning, has just made me really aware that now I'm at goal and 'look normal' people somehow expect me to 'eat normally' again. And I think there's an inclination for them to fear that I've gotten neurotic about weight maintenance, if I don't 'indulge' with them occasionally. I'm not sure if I'm expressing myself clearly, but does this make sense to you others in this situation?

joysh
04-05-2013, 10:23 AM
Evepet, that makes absolute sense to me. I'm sure now that we look "normal" people think we can just eat anything and stay this way. I even notice myself feeling that I can ease up a bit. But I know I really can't.

I always go back to Ishbel's quote: if we go back to eating the way we ate, we'll look the same.

I KNOW that we are different now. I think the special gift of IP is twofold:

1) We have learned to reframe our relationship to food. I want this new relationship to last for the rest of my life. I want to continue to value people's company more than the food we are eating when we are sitting together. I want food to be pleasant sustenance for my body, but not the center of my life and definitely not my reason for living, my comfort for stress, etc. I want it to remain in the right perspective. AND

2) We have learned how to prepare healthy, delicious food! I love the way that I now cook my meat, fish, and poultry protein! I love my new vegetables and the way it's so easy to grill and roast veggies! I love the way roasted vegetables and salads taste!

The other gift is that we have had the time to accustom ourselves to this new way of thinking and eating. For me, it's been 9 months of readjusting my relationship with food - and my new body. I want to stay here for the rest of my life and not go back!

So, can we "ease up a bit?" I've yet to find out. Perhaps we can order the salad without saying "hold the carrots," but I'm still not sure how I'd do with pizza and sweets.

I guess the question is how can we give the impression that we are "easing up" but remain true to our new way of living?

KitKat169
04-05-2013, 10:38 AM
Sonyainva: yep, I understand the vortex of carbs on a cruise. I phased off temporarily for a cruise in the fall and for me it was a combination of carbs, vacation and knowing it was temporary that made me go all out. I can see myself easily getting into this bad trend for other vacations. Is it okay to do this if I am strict enough to go back to P1 afterwards? Maybe I'm just setting myself on a tougher course. I've been thinking about this because I have a vacation in June. A tour to Russia and the Baltic States. I have no idea what kind of food I will get but I'm hoping that I can do lots of walking to help cope too.

Evepet: I think your reasoning makes sense. It's the same thing that I have seen with some of the early IPers in the daily thread thinking that diet means temporary and they just have to get the weight off fast so they can go back to eating what they want. So why wouldn't the other people around us think the same way? I am glad I took more time to lose my weight and that during the weight loss phase I could see that this is a lifestyle change forever. Here's my tip for dealing with this: when I went gluten free, I would go out or just be eating around people and would make a big deal about what I could or couldn't eat. After a while, I realized that this was making everyone a little less tolerant of it. When I relaxed and just went about my meals, then everyone else seemed to relax. So now that part is no big deal and I hope in future, saying no to foods on the table even while not "dieting" is no big deal too.

Tonight is going to be my first fun meal. I am going out with a girlfriend and the restaurant is part of Chocolate month celebrations so I know there will be a chocolate dessert in my future. Before going out, I'm going to pre-prep my phase 2 day for tomorrow. I'm going to be doing a lot of lifting and walking tomorrow so my coach and I decided P2 would give me a little more protein energy than P1 but still be the low carb I need to recovery from tonight.

This is a long post already but it is time to come clean about what is happening in my life. I am about to accept a new job offer that has been in the works for the last two months. It is for a competitor to the company I'm working for right now so I have kept it hush hush in fear of the wrong people finding out. Only a friend and my mother knew what was going on. The job will move me from to the Toronto area so in anticipation, I've been doing lots of cleaning and decluttering. This week I'm working on the final offer details, met with realtors to sell, meeting with my banker about a new mortgage and planning how to give my resignation to my current employer of 19 years on Monday. At tonight's dinner, I'll tell my girlfriend what is hapepning as the first of many that will be shocked by this turn of events. I'm stressed, nervous, scared, excited, happy all at the same time. It's been a bumpy ride during this decision period but it is now going to be a whole lot busier in future.

evepet
04-05-2013, 11:06 AM
Evepet, that makes absolute sense to me. I'm sure now that we look "normal" people think we can just eat anything and stay this way. I even notice myself feeling that I can ease up a bit. But I know I really can't.

I always go back to Ishbel's quote: if we go back to eating the way we ate, we'll look the same.

I KNOW that we are different now. I think the special gift of IP is twofold:

1) We have learned to reframe our relationship to food. I want this new relationship to last for the rest of my life. I want to continue to value people's company more than the food we are eating when we are sitting together. I want food to be pleasant sustenance for my body, but not the center of my life and definitely not my reason for living, my comfort for stress, etc. I want it to remain in the right perspective. AND

2) We have learned how to prepare healthy, delicious food! I love the way that I now cook my meat, fish, and poultry protein! I love my new vegetables and the way it's so easy to grill and roast veggies! I love the way roasted vegetables and salads taste!

The other gift is that we have had the time to accustom ourselves to this new way of thinking and eating. For me, it's been 9 months of readjusting my relationship with food - and my new body. I want to stay here for the rest of my life and not go back!

So, can we "ease up a bit?" I've yet to find out. Perhaps we can order the salad without saying "hold the carrots," but I'm still not sure how I'd do with pizza and sweets.

I guess the question is how can we give the impression that we are "easing up" but remain true to our new way of living?

Thx for your insights. Like many of us, it took me a long time to lose this weight - almost exactly a year - so I've definitely learned different patterns of behaviour when it comes to eating. Most of the time I have no interest in going back to my former bad habits. But I do have to admit that I'm curious to taste a slice of pizza again, a nice serving of ice cream, etc. But that will be for Fun Day. :) It just suddenly struck me this am for some reason, that if these particular relatives who are so supportive of me fell into that habit of 'prompting' me to 'allow' myself a taste, nibble, etc. etc. that I probably can expect much worse behavour from others who aren't aware of my dieting journey. As KitKat says though, maybe it's mostly in my head... and if I just merrily do my own thing, no one will think much of it. I guess time will tell.

Sonyainva: yep, I understand the vortex of carbs on a cruise. I phased off temporarily for a cruise in the fall and for me it was a combination of carbs, vacation and knowing it was temporary that made me go all out. I can see myself easily getting into this bad trend for other vacations. Is it okay to do this if I am strict enough to go back to P1 afterwards? Maybe I'm just setting myself on a tougher course. I've been thinking about this because I have a vacation in June. A tour to Russia and the Baltic States. I have no idea what kind of food I will get but I'm hoping that I can do lots of walking to help cope too.

Evepet: I think your reasoning makes sense. It's the same thing that I have seen with some of the early IPers in the daily thread thinking that diet means temporary and they just have to get the weight off fast so they can go back to eating what they want. So why wouldn't the other people around us think the same way? I am glad I took more time to lose my weight and that during the weight loss phase I could see that this is a lifestyle change forever. Here's my tip for dealing with this: when I went gluten free, I would go out or just be eating around people and would make a big deal about what I could or couldn't eat. After a while, I realized that this was making everyone a little less tolerant of it. When I relaxed and just went about my meals, then everyone else seemed to relax. So now that part is no big deal and I hope in future, saying no to foods on the table even while not "dieting" is no big deal too.

Tonight is going to be my first fun meal. I am going out with a girlfriend and the restaurant is part of Chocolate month celebrations so I know there will be a chocolate dessert in my future. Before going out, I'm going to pre-prep my phase 2 day for tomorrow. I'm going to be doing a lot of lifting and walking tomorrow so my coach and I decided P2 would give me a little more protein energy than P1 but still be the low carb I need to recovery from tonight.

This is a long post already but it is time to come clean about what is happening in my life. I am about to accept a new job offer that has been in the works for the last two months. It is for a competitor to the company I'm working for right now so I have kept it hush hush in fear of the wrong people finding out. Only a friend and my mother knew what was going on. The job will move me from to the Toronto area so in anticipation, I've been doing lots of cleaning and decluttering. This week I'm working on the final offer details, met with realtors to sell, meeting with my banker about a new mortgage and planning how to give my resignation to my current employer of 19 years on Monday. At tonight's dinner, I'll tell my girlfriend what is hapepning as the first of many that will be shocked by this turn of events. I'm stressed, nervous, scared, excited, happy all at the same time. It's been a bumpy ride during this decision period but it is now going to be a whole lot busier in future.

Kitkat - From how you describe your itinary, I think my sister & BIL did that same Baltic cruise a couple of years ago. Really enjoyed it.

I think you're right in that if I'm not preoccupied with my eating, and don't make an issue of it, then others are much more apt to not even notice what I do or don't put on my plate. The situation I was thinking about from the weekend involved a special dessert my sister had made, and that everybody had thoroughly enjoyed the day before I arrived. There were only 2 servings left, and my niece-in-law was raving about how I should sample it before it was gone. This was mid-afternoon. I didn't really even care that much whether I ate it or not... but found myself feeling like I'd somehow be insulting my sister if I didn't at least sample a small portion of this dessert. So I succumbed and agreed that I'd have just 1/2 a slice. It was good - but it wasn't *that good*!!! LOL. I think the diet has drastically altered my taste buds. For some reason this was on my mind this morning, as a sample of the type of situation that I have to be aware of and sensitive to in the future.

BTW - Congratulations on the new job! I've lived on and off in Toronto for several years and think you'll enjoy it there. I think you're in the insurance business? So you're probably going to be working in the downtown core somewhere? I recall your posts a few weeks ago when you made a trip to Toronto... I somehow got the impression back then that a new job offering was in the wind. Glad that things have worked out. You'll do great. :hug:

joysh
04-05-2013, 11:41 AM
I've been thinking about this because I have a vacation in June. A tour to Russia and the Baltic States. I have no idea what kind of food I will get but I'm hoping that I can do lots of walking to help cope too.
...This is a long post already but it is time to come clean about what is happening in my life. I am about to accept a new job offer that has been in the works for the last two months. At tonight's dinner, I'll tell my girlfriend what is hapepning as the first of many that will be shocked by this turn of events. I'm stressed, nervous, scared, excited, happy all at the same time. It's been a bumpy ride during this decision period but it is now going to be a whole lot busier in future.

WOW, big changes are ahead for you, Kitkat!! A new body, new job, new town! How very exciting! I know how hard it will be to tell your good friends that you are moving. I did it 6 years ago when I moved from Houston to Louisiana for a job. It's very exciting to be on a new adventure. I'm 4 hours from Houston, so I get back fairly often. But if your planning a trip to Russia and the Baltic, you must love adventures as much as I do! What a wonderful trip! Keep us posted.

It was good - but it wasn't *that good*!!! LOL. I think the diet has drastically altered my taste buds. For some reason this was on my mind this morning, as a sample of the type of situation that I have to be aware of and sensitive to in the future.:

I agree with you and Kitkat; we just have to be aware of this. Right now, for me at least, the big topic of conversation is "how great you look, how did you do it, etc." This will change as they see that this body is my normal body now and it's time for me to be "regular." (whatever that is)

Have a great day!

greeniris
04-05-2013, 12:01 PM
Good morning maintainers - This is a 'me' post, and I apologize ahead of time.
I have been spiraling out of control and too embarrassed about it to post for quite some time. I have been depressed as well, probably due to feeling out of control. Have made a few half-hearted attempts to get back into ketosis, but never made it. Think I'm up about 15 lbs from when I began P4. Most of it was the chocolate addiction, which I had posted about & gotten some great feedback from all of you. I think I'm making progress there, but haven't completely kicked it. I want to try again to go back to P1 with a sincere effort, but not using packets. My savings account took a huge hit last year between IP and paying for foot surgery, and I just can't afford the packets, even alternatives. Also, am beginning to think all the soy in my diet may be the cause of the increased hot flashes/night sweats I've had.
So my question is...what foods do you recommend for breakfast during P1/P2? I can have eggs/egg whites fairly often, but will need a bit of variety. Lunch & dinner will be lean protein & the veggies, like P2. The various protein drink powders/mixes I've tried really upset my stomach, so those are out, but I can drink the EAS CarbadvantEdge RTDs. Not sure there is enough protein in one of those to be a complete breakfast though. Any suggestions? I am going to see my coach on Tuesday and ask her these same questions. Hopefully she will have some ideas, but am worried what she'll say/do when I tell her I can't purchase the product.
I know I am my own worst enemy sometimes...too hard on & unforgiving with myself. It is very hard to share all this, but I know now I can't do it on my own. Those of you that talk about how this is a daily struggle, and still succeed with maintenance - You are my heroes! It takes a lot of mental & emotional strength to get where you are, and I so admire you!

evepet
04-05-2013, 12:37 PM
Good morning maintainers - This is a 'me' post, and I apologize ahead of time.
I have been spiraling out of control and too embarrassed about it to post for quite some time. I have been depressed as well, probably due to feeling out of control. Have made a few half-hearted attempts to get back into ketosis, but never made it. Think I'm up about 15 lbs from when I began P4. Most of it was the chocolate addiction, which I had posted about & gotten some great feedback from all of you. I think I'm making progress there, but haven't completely kicked it. I want to try again to go back to P1 with a sincere effort, but not using packets. My savings account took a huge hit last year between IP and paying for foot surgery, and I just can't afford the packets, even alternatives. Also, am beginning to think all the soy in my diet may be the cause of the increased hot flashes/night sweats I've had.
So my question is...what foods do you recommend for breakfast during P1/P2? I can have eggs/egg whites fairly often, but will need a bit of variety. Lunch & dinner will be lean protein & the veggies, like P2. The various protein drink powders/mixes I've tried really upset my stomach, so those are out, but I can drink the EAS CarbadvantEdge RTDs. Not sure there is enough protein in one of those to be a complete breakfast though. Any suggestions? I am going to see my coach on Tuesday and ask her these same questions. Hopefully she will have some ideas, but am worried what she'll say/do when I tell her I can't purchase the product.
I know I am my own worst enemy sometimes...too hard on & unforgiving with myself. It is very hard to share all this, but I know now I can't do it on my own. Those of you that talk about how this is a daily struggle, and still succeed with maintenance - You are my heroes! It takes a lot of mental & emotional strength to get where you are, and I so admire you!

Hi GreenIris. I'd just been thinking about you earlier this morning, thinking that we hadn't heard from you in a while. Sorry to hear that you're having a struggle. :hug: A couple of suggestions for breakfast. How about lean ground beef meat patties? Or tuna or salmon patties? Or a couple of slices of a salmon loaf, but keeping the carbs down to an absolute minimum? Or how about a P1-version of chili, with extra lean ground beef and lots of celery, green peppers, mushrooms, a bit of onion, and diced tomatoes. I've done that in the past and played around on fatsecret.com with the ingredients to hold the carb content down as much as possible. I've also made a version that has finely shredded napa cabbage in it, which sounds a bit odd but which I enjoy. Another thing I make sometimes is an individual-sized egg custard - you'd have to 'fudge' a little and use about 1/4 cup of unsweetened almond milk, but I take a 1 cup size pyrex measuring cup and add 1 egg and enough egg white to fill it to 1/4 full, whip the egg/egg white, then pour in enough unsweetened almond milk to bring it to 1/2 cup full. Add dash of vanilla and some Splenda or stevia + nutmeg, and microwave at #2 heat control for about 35 minutes. I top with a couple of tbsp of WF pancake syrup and it's a nice treat. Don't know about you, but I could eat it for breakfast. :) It has about 125 cals, 6.8g fat, 1.8g carbs, 0 fibre, 0.8g sugar, 13.4g protein.

Also, if you buy a box of a pre-made low carb pancake mix like New Hope Mills or Big Train from netrition.com, it's pretty reasonably priced as you get several servings/box. I used them quite often while on P1, but I generally did add a little unflavored protein powder to it. But check at netrition.com and see what you think. They carry boxed low carb cereals too, that are more cost effective than buying them in the alternative packet form. One type that I've used and can personally recommend is 'Hi - Lo Cereal' by Nutritious Living. Definitely P1 complaint.

I was just also noting that I have a recipe for a 'Apple Cinnamon Protein Bar' that I made a few months and found quite good, but it includes some unflavored whey protein powder. It's nutritional values per muffin are 80cals, 3.5g carb, 0 fibre, 2g sugar, and 11g protein. I remember thinking at the time that it was compatible enough for P1. If you're interested in this recipe that includes protein powder, let me know and I'll PM it to you. Or I might just do a post about it on my blog, since I didn't before. :) The only reason I didn't make it again is that it's now abundantly clear to me that I don't do well with having multiple servings of sweet things around - even frozen. I kept wanting to eat 'just one more'... sorta like my problem with some protein bars, etc. I'm realizing I'm a one-serving kinda gal, and have to just accept it if I don't want to constantly be fighting the temptation.

Neither the egg custard or apple cinnamon protein bar/muffin have quite enough protein, so you'd have to add a bit there with that meal/snack. Although I'm not sure it's that essential within a gm or two, as long as the protein intake for the day is within the right range.

I just checked the nutritional info for EAS CarbAdvantage RTDs and 1 container has 17g, so you're fine there. Most IP products we used on P1 have somewhere between 15 - 18g protein per serving.

Also, I've been making my own protein soups the last while and you might find that info useful.... have a look at my last blog post - link below.

Don't be a stranger. We're all struggling in our own ways, and here to help and support each other. I feel a little like I'll run off the rails if I indulge in some pizza, or ice cream, etc. But part of me is also curious to see how I feel/react to it, so I think I'm going to have some small indulgences tomorrow and see how it goes.

Shawsy
04-05-2013, 12:53 PM
Great discussion in this thread.

I have just started Phase 4. I definitely feel some of the peer pressure to "eat normally" that Evepet and Joysh have been describing. The price of success, I guess.

@greeniris. The EAS Advantage Carb control shakes have 17g of protein. I don't know how much you need, but that has to be a pretty good start, I would think. I used them a couple of times (I was traveling during phase 2 and got caught short of packets) along with a boiled egg. Good luck getting things back on track. I am sure you will. The fact that you are taking action now - before 15 becomes twice that - is a great sign that you will have it under control.

GreatLakes86
04-05-2013, 01:10 PM
I have been busy and need to catch up here and in the 100% thread, but I read this article (hopefully it lets me post the link) and I thought of several of you ladies who are limiting or eliminating gluten. I think it also applies to maintenance eating in general. I am lucky to have supportive friends and family while I am in P1 and I know they will be wonderful once I am in maintenance. Anyways, hope this article is interesting/enlightening.

Happy Friday!!!!

http://www.examiner.com/article/giving-up-gluten-the-first-few-weeks

greeniris
04-05-2013, 02:09 PM
I had forgotten the EAS drinks have that much protein (was thinking they were around 12/13) - certainly sufficient for breakfast. Thank you Evepet & Shawsy for looking it up. And Evepet, you have some great suggestions... guess I was thinking more traditional breakfast foods, but going "outside the box" is a good idea. Evepet, your egg custard sounds good too. I'll do some experimenting this weekend. Am going to look up your protein soups as well. Thank you!

Momto2cs
04-05-2013, 07:37 PM
Hey green iris
This is what I would (and have) done...

B make an egg casserole with 12 eggs and a bag of low carb frozen veggies. Bake and cut into 6 servings. Done for the week.

Lunch-salad with vinaigrette. 3 oz protein and at least 1 cup veggies

Snack- 3 oz protein or 1/2 c cottage cheese ( not ip but a real food way to get the protein)

Dinner-usual ip dinner, maybe reducing your protein to 5 or 6 oz, but don't let yourself starve

Snack-protein shake. But a big tub and drink it. It might not be delicious, but it will work.

Keep it simple and try it for a couple weeks and see if it is working.

You can do it!

Anne

Nolawhodatchick
04-06-2013, 08:31 AM
Thank you, Ishbel, for the wonderful post.

KIT-KAT!!! Wow! Big life changes! Very happy for you and understand you must be having a rollercoaster of emotions. Wishing you the very very best and so proud of you! Any change takes courage, even good change, and it sounds like you are doing so great.

Greeniris-many, many hugs! It's temporary, you won't go back to where you were. I was thinking the other day about whether I would keep the weight off and what was different to allow that. Here's what's different for me, in the past, if I gained a pound or two back, I'd panic, the fear and anxiety would lead to more eating and I'd spiral slowly out of control. It was all fed by fear and avoidance. Now I know it is normal to gain back some weight at some point, it's a sign that I'm veering off course. We are all in it together with you and here for you!

On that note, I'm going back to a more rigid IP schedule for a few weeks. I'm up 2 lbs but I'm pretty sure a lot of it is water weight as I overdid soy this week big time. I'd love to lose 5 more lbs right now, so I'm going to go phase 1ish for a month and see what happens. One other reason I'm doing it is because I feel I'm getting too lax about some of the rules, like my veggies. For example, I'm substituting too much fruit for veggies and not drinking enough water. I don't like the feeling of being out of control that I'm starting to develop, so I'm rebooting to get help the rules become permanent.

Best to all my IP friends out there!
Sandra

greeniris
04-06-2013, 12:52 PM
Weird - was in the middle of writing a post and all of a sudden the site took me to 3FCs external link policies. Wasn't even including a link...

Thanks for the hugs & support Sandra...
And Anne - love the egg/veggie cassarole idea. So simple, yet perfect. And I think breaking up the protein into smaller amounts and including it in snacks is going to help. Thank you!

Molly - you're a great friend. Thanks for being there.
Lisa - I know you're lurking, and really appreciate your support too.

I went to the library to get the Beck Diet Solutions book - they don't carry it, so I took out "Skinny *****" & "Flat Belly Diet." The first one I just couldn't resist because of the name! The other seems more serious. Most of the diet books they have are kind of old.

KitKat - The changes you're making are so exciting! This must be a huge opportunity for you to make such a big move. Very happy for you.

Ishbel - love the post...I printed it out.

joysh
04-06-2013, 03:27 PM
Cindy, just wanted to let you know that I hear you and support you, too. I haven't been able to get back online since yesterday afternoon.

Hang in there. You did great on this program and you'll do great on it again. You have been an inspiration to me. We're all learning, growing, and changing. It's hard sometimes, but we have great faith in you! :hug::hug:

Momto2cs
04-06-2013, 04:24 PM
Skinny b $&@ sucks. I think you need to start out skinny for that diet to work. And the serious lack of protein is scary.

Why we get fat is a great semi diet book. But I think the beck diet solution has what most of us are looking for-skills to understand why we eat and how to keep it under control.

WebRover
04-07-2013, 08:27 AM
Congratulations to everyone in this forum, successful losers, people looking ahead to maintenance and realizing it's not a race to the finish with a return to former habits, people starting maintenance, all the experienced folks, posters & lurkers!

I start Phase 4 Tuesday. Sometimes I have to pinch myself that I've had so much success on this eating plan. After years of not being able to get below 182, it's fantastic to be at 153, two pounds below goal.

Thank you to all the posters in this thread and all the threads in this forum, especially the regular ones - the 100%, daily thread, and Fabulous at Fifty+. I've learned so much from all of you.

Skinnyjeangirl
04-07-2013, 09:11 AM
I like the positive post. I love this diet..

Lizzy63
04-07-2013, 09:42 AM
Hi all!

It's good to see this thread so active! It's going to take me a while to catch up.

Cindy - sorry to hear that you're struggling. I know you can do this because you've come so far already!

KitKat - congrats on the new job - how exciting for you! No new job for me - after 3 interviews, they offered it to an internal candidate. :mad: Anyhow, I'm lucky I already have a very good job, so I will move on...

Have not posted in a few weeks - 2 weeks of vacation and then catching up at work. Lots of family birthdays (and birthday desserts) end of March. I managed to gain 4+ pounds in 2 weeks. I decided to just go back to my normal routine because (a) I thought some of that was fluid retention, and (b) I figured if I go back to my maintenance routine, I should logically move in the right direction (though maybe not as quickly as if I did a phase 1 stint). After one week, I am down 2.4 pounds and back in the middle of my 3 pound range., so I am happy and will continue this way. So far I have managed to avoid doing any phase 1 days in maintenance - can't bear the thought of missing my big breakfast...

KitKat169
04-07-2013, 12:02 PM
Evepet: The new office will be based in Oakville but there is an office downtown by the Air Canada Centre where I will be commuting to often. Iím planning to move somewhere around Burlington or Stoney Creek area.

Greeniris: I applaud your courage in identifying that youíre struggling and depressed but coming back to post about it. You said it right ďyou are your own worst enemyĒ. This is your safe place to post your troubles. I hope you have a good conversation with your coach on how to manage a P1 program without having to purchase their products. I donít have experience there yet but Iíll post ideas as they come. :hug:

Shawsy and WebRover: Welcome to maintenance! :carrot:

Lizzy63: You are doing so well to be able to lose in maintenance, even if itís slowly. Well done. Sorry you didnít get the new job but thankfully you have one that you still like.

I had a good dinner on Friday night, my first fun meal. A salad to start, Lobster poutine and shared two desserts with a friend, Símore cheesecake and Lemon torte. I ate a lighter P3 the rest of the day and no snacks so in the end I didnít feel I went too far overboard on the fun. I missed having a load of veggies at dinner though. She was excited and yet unhappy about my news of moving but she is very supportive of my choices.

The next morning I gained 1lb then Saturday on a modified P1 and this morning was down 0.8lbs already. My modified P1 was to make up for doing a ton of moving boxes and furniture. I borrowed a friendís truck for the day and took 2 big loads to the thrift store and 1 big load to her garage for temporary storage. I used the regular IP packets for P1 but then added some extra salmon for protein mid-day. My fitbit tells me that I hit a record high for a non-structured exercise day but that doesnít include all the weight-lifting.

Today the house-cleaning and clearing continues but I wonít be as physical. I have one bad knee already but the other one started bothering me yesterday and my back is on the verge of having a rough day so I have to take it a little easier. Tomorrow I will resign my old job and Iím very nervous about how they will deal with the news so I probably wonít sleep tonight.

I made my first batch of yogurt overnight using ĺ skim milk and ľ almond milk. I love greek yogurt but feel I need to cut back on the dairy (I have a milk protein sensitivity). I almost couldnít believe I had yogurt when I woke up as it was so easy.

evepet
04-07-2013, 01:10 PM
Hi everyone! Nice to see so many familiar and not-so-familiar 'faces' here. :)

I'm doing a cross between P1 and P2 today, as I really overdid the sodium yesterday and want to flush it out. Scale was at 149 lbs this am, which is still fine but I feel 'bloaty' today.

Interestingly enough, I feel like I've been eating a LOT this past week, but when I average out my calories/day for the past week it only comes to about 1300/day. Not sure what to make of that, other than I'm just 'weaning' myself away from the dieting mentality and not ready to delve head-first into a lot of heavy carb/sugar foods.

Kitkat - Your plan re settling in the Burlington/Stoney Creek area is sound - lots of options there, and definitely much more affordable than Toronto. And an easy commute to Oakville. Glad to hear your dinner went well last night. And yes - be careful and not overdue the lifting & hauling.

Shawsy & WebRover - Good to see you here! We're all sharing & learning this 'maintenance-business' together. I love the support of this forum!

Lizzy - Good to hear from you again, and glad that things continue to go well with you in maintenance.

Momto2cs - I know making the egg-veggie bake should be pretty straight forward, and have found a few good recipes. I'm just wondering though if you'd share the specifics of what you do? And once it's baked, after you've cut it into the 6 servings, I assume you wrap them in saran wrap.... do they keep ok like that until you've used them all ? Can you freeze them?

Nolawhodatchick - Great to hear from you again! Kudo to you for getting back on the P1 wagon, and working to reinforce those good eating habits. You've got this!

Cheers everyone. Hope you're all having a nice Sunday.

WingnutandMe
04-07-2013, 02:16 PM
I made my first batch of yogurt overnight using ĺ skim milk and ľ almond milk. I love greek yogurt but feel I need to cut back on the dairy (I have a milk protein sensitivity). I almost couldnít believe I had yogurt when I woke up as it was so easy.

Oh, please share the yogurt recipe. I even have yogurt makers from 40 years ago. I need to make mine instead of buying it all of the time. It's so expensive.

Interestingly enough, I feel like I've been eating a LOT this past week, but when I average out my calories/day for the past week it only comes to about 1300/day. Not sure what to make of that, other than I'm just 'weaning' myself away from the dieting mentality and not ready to delve head-first into a lot of heavy carb/sugar foods.

I can relate to weaning away from the dieting mentality. I have seen that over the past weeks I've been on maintenance. I just don't want to get too far off and think I can eat anything. I have enough trouble with "just a little more" and that's with the "good" foods.

I have yet to have a fun day. It scares me. I feel I'd be like a recovering alcoholic who gives in and takes a drink and then it's downhill from there. Guess I need more weaning time. LOL

Molly

Maile
04-07-2013, 05:04 PM
Wingnut: Take your time on the fun day or meal, until you feel ready. I find that sugar foods are triggers so I mostly stay away from them, even on a fun meal. You did a great job losing 120 pounds.

Evepet: Century Club Recipes has a low carb breakfast quiche. I made mine with eggbeaters. Also Kaylyn's kitchen blog has good low carb recipes.

Kitkat: How exciting to get a new job and move!!

Lizzy63: I am sorry you did not get the job, but you sound happy in your current one. You are doing a great job of staying in your range!!

Shawsy and Webrover: welcome to maintenance!

Cindy: This is the perfect place to vent. I know you will get back on track on Phase 1 and start losing. Good luck on finding cheaper alternatives.

Nola: I hope Phase 1 is going well for you.

Momto2cs
04-07-2013, 05:38 PM
I seriously take frozen veggies, cook them according to bag, drain well, put in 9x13 pan. Pour in 12 beaten eggs and top with a sprinkle of cheese. Bake at 350 for 30 mins. Cool, slice into 6 and freeze in ziploc squares.

They are a bit watery after freezing...I sometimes zap them on paper towels. But they are ok fr me.

Otherwise, if you use them daily they should be fine in the fridge.

evepet
04-07-2013, 05:52 PM
I seriously take frozen veggies, cook them according to bag, drain well, put in 9x13 pan. Pour in 12 beaten eggs and top with a sprinkle of cheese. Bake at 350 for 30 mins. Cool, slice into 6 and freeze in ziploc squares.

They are a bit watery after freezing...I sometimes zap them on paper towels. But they are ok fr me.

Otherwise, if you use them daily they should be fine in the fridge.

Thx Mom - I'm going to give this a try.



Evepet: Century Club Recipes has a low carb breakfast quiche. I made mine with eggbeaters. Also Kaylyn's kitchen blog has good low carb recipes.



Thanks Maile - I'll check those sites out. I like the eggbeaters idea too.

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I made my first batch of yogurt overnight using ĺ skim milk and ľ almond milk. I love greek yogurt but feel I need to cut back on the dairy (I have a milk protein sensitivity). I almost couldnít believe I had yogurt when I woke up as it was so easy.

Are you using a yogurt machine? If so do you mind sharing what make you've got? I recall someone (I think it's MomPattie on the 100% thread) makes it in her crockpot, leaving it overnight.



I can relate to weaning away from the dieting mentality. I have seen that over the past weeks I've been on maintenance. I just don't want to get too far off and think I can eat anything. I have enough trouble with "just a little more" and that's with the "good" foods.

I have yet to have a fun day. It scares me. I feel I'd be like a recovering alcoholic who gives in and takes a drink and then it's downhill from there. Guess I need more weaning time. LOL

Molly

Take your time and enjoy your fun day when you feel 'ready'. I really haven't gone 'whole hog' with one as yet. Like you, it scares me.... for some reason the thought of indulging in something like pizza or ice cream makes me worry that I'd be bringing on a mini-binge. (I'm not a binger, but some foods make it difficult for me to be satisfied with just one serving - I want 'more' (or at least I always did pre-diet). Plus, if I eat it - it better be DARN GOOD!! I don't want to bring a whole carton of ice cream - or a whole pizza either - into the house, and I don't know of a local restaurant or take-out place around here that really has the quality that makes me want to go for it. I've got a feeling I'll be disappointed, and kick myself for splurging on something that doesn't taste anywhere near as good as I remember.

KitKat169
04-07-2013, 09:15 PM
I used a combination of Mompattie's method for the yogurt making with a couple variations from a yogurt book I recently picked up. I hope this link to her method works for you.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79274604/How%20to%20Make%20Greek%20Yogurt.png

I was using my oven until late in the evening so I used a heating pad on low covering my bowl for the night. I didn't want to buy a yogurt maker while I'm trying to clean out and this method worked well so I don't see why you would need one. I used 6 cups skim milk and 2 cups almond milk as a mix. My yogurt book says to not use only nut milk so I'm trying different concentrations to see how much I can get away with vs. dairy milk.

I have saved the whey liquid that I drained out but I'm not quite sure what to do with it now. It seems a shame to waste it though.

scorbett1103
04-07-2013, 09:21 PM
I used a combination of Mompattie's method for the yogurt making with a couple variations from a yogurt book I recently picked up. I hope this link to her method works for you.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79274604/How%20to%20Make%20Greek%20Yogurt.png

I was using my oven until late in the evening so I used a heating pad on low covering my bowl for the night. I didn't want to buy a yogurt maker while I'm trying to clean out and this method worked well so I don't see why you would need one. I used 6 cups skim milk and 2 cups almond milk as a mix. My yogurt book says to not use only nut milk so I'm trying different concentrations to see how much I can get away with vs. dairy milk.

I have saved the whey liquid that I drained out but I'm not quite sure what to do with it now. It seems a shame to waste it though.

You can use the whey to replace some of the liquid in baking and cooking - it doesn't add anything to the flavor but adds some protein and nutrients!

I've made yogurt in my crockpot for a long time, but never tried it with a blend of regular and nut milks - going to have to give it a try, I am eating a LOT more yogurt these days!

evepet
04-07-2013, 10:29 PM
I used a combination of Mompattie's method for the yogurt making with a couple variations from a yogurt book I recently picked up. I hope this link to her method works for you.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79274604/How%20to%20Make%20Greek%20Yogurt.png

I was using my oven until late in the evening so I used a heating pad on low covering my bowl for the night. I didn't want to buy a yogurt maker while I'm trying to clean out and this method worked well so I don't see why you would need one. I used 6 cups skim milk and 2 cups almond milk as a mix. My yogurt book says to not use only nut milk so I'm trying different concentrations to see how much I can get away with vs. dairy milk.

I have saved the whey liquid that I drained out but I'm not quite sure what to do with it now. It seems a shame to waste it though.

Great! Thanks. I'm eating yogourt every day too, and I find the greek yogourt is pretty expensive around here. So it's great to know how to make it more inexpensively... plus I love the idea of experimenting with some combos of almond milk/skim milk as well. I've got two crock pots - so I'll be giving this a try soon.

Maile
04-08-2013, 08:26 AM
Evepet: You don't have Costco in Canada? Their greek yogurt is cheap. However, I bet your homemade tastes better.

For those of you who are eating gluten free, South Beach Diet has a new gluten free cookbook which should be low carb.

evepet
04-08-2013, 08:54 AM
Evepet: You don't have Costco in Canada? Their greek yogurt is cheap. However, I bet your homemade tastes better.

For those of you who are eating gluten free, South Beach Diet has a new gluten free cookbook which should be low carb.

Maile - yes we do have a Costco in my city, but I'm not a member.... and it's totally on the outskirts on the other side of town from where I live. (Not to mention that for a variety of reasons at present I'm not driving... and it takes forever via public transit... and a taxi fare would undo the savings of shopping there in the first place). When I say 'expensive' it's all relative ... I've been paying $4.99 for a 500g tub of Oikos greek yogourt. What is irritating is that so many other brands of regular yogourt sell a 750g tub for around $299. But there's only 2-3 options for greek yogourt, and it's always more expensive. So - I'm looking forward to doing my own homemade version. Plus, I find I enjoy exploring all these new ideas in the kitchen. :) BTW - thanks for the tip about the new South Beach Diet cookbook. I googled Century Club Recipes last night, and already have a few pages from it saved in my 'Recipes to Try' favorites file. :)

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Yesterday's low carb p1-p2-style day worked, and I feel slimmer this am, with less of that bloaty feeling. Scale also went down -1lbs, so that was good. All in all, I'm happy. :D

Cheers everyone - have a great day!

Ishbel
04-08-2013, 02:36 PM
[Lizzy Way to rock maintenance! Well done! :)

Kitkat WOOHOO for a new job, stressful situation applying, making the decision...doing it without eating your emotions is HUGE...good for you!

maile/evepet I buy my yogurt at Costco too lol...I have found larger tubs at Superstore that are’ not bad price wise but Costco is where I go. I just don’t have time to make my own . When I go to Costco I buy 2 sleeves of 3 and they last me and the VIP quite well for just over 2 weeks.

greeniris :hug: Post away, we are here for support. In support relationships it's always a give take kinda deal. Some days you need support, some days you give it. Don't be scared to post that you need some support and you know what I thought when I read it "good for you! GOOD FOR YOU for posting that, how many other people are lurking that needed to hear that they aren't alone". And then all the replies you got back...guaranteed lurkers were using those responses to formulate their own back on track plans. Being overweight is hard, losing weight is hard, maintaining weight is hard. I have said this in the past, it's not all unicorns farting sparkles, everyone...EVERYONE has difficult moments and timeframes...they just aren't forever. :hug: You won't go back, being on track feels better than being off track.

WebRover/Skinnyjeangirl Welcome to almost maintenance!

Ok, since we're confessing, the real reason I haven't bought shoes LOL...I haven't told you guys too much cause I was positive you all got tired of hearing about my hips. WELL, changed the orthotics and it caused a 'over rubbing' issue with my feet that turned into a staph infection that is now not healing right (going on over 4 weeks now). SO even though I'm sorry that I'm giving you guys some MORE health issues...I think the moral of my story...although I'm not eating my emotions...my stress is still coming out in other ways. If I was exercising...(which I can't even do videos now)...I'd be releasing my stress...and so I'm not eating or exercising my stress it's coming out in my health. UGH!!! My coach told me having a staph infection is irritation coming out of my body so I blame it all on the VIP :D

I knew KNEW I wouldn't be happy if I lost weight, that I would have to be happy no matter what. But I did think a magical wand would fly over top of me and all my health issues would magically float away, rather new and different ones are cropping up as apparently my body is still settling. GRRR

...bonus though, wedding invitations are in the mail! :)

...more to follow on the shoes as I can't possibly try them on right now <sigh>

evepet
04-08-2013, 03:14 PM
Ishbel - Girl, I think you need to treat yourself to a series of massages. Maybe shiatsu? That will help relax you, and release toxins and stress. Not to mention that it feels great. :hug: Hang in there - this too will pass.

Also love your saying 'it's not all unicorns farting sparkles'... LMAO. A great mood lightener. I've been trying to picture it..... hmm... a unicorn farting sparkles.....????? ! LOL.

greeniris
04-08-2013, 03:22 PM
[[greeniris :hug: Post away, we are here for support. In support relationships it's always a give take kinda deal. Some days you need support, some days you give it. Don't be scared to post that you need some support and you know what I thought when I read it "good for you! GOOD FOR YOU for posting that, how many other people are lurking that needed to hear that they aren't alone". And then all the replies you got back...guaranteed lurkers were using those responses to formulate their own back on track plans. Being overweight is hard, losing weight is hard, maintaining weight is hard. I have said this in the past, it's not all unicorns farting sparkles, everyone...EVERYONE has difficult moments and timeframes...they just aren't forever. :hug: You won't go back, being on track feels better than being off track.


Ok, since we're confessing, the real reason I haven't bought shoes LOL...I haven't told you guys too much cause I was positive you all got tired of hearing about my hips. WELL, changed the orthotics and it caused a 'over rubbing' issue with my feet that turned into a staph infection that is now not healing right (going on over 4 weeks now). SO even though I'm sorry that I'm giving you guys some MORE health issues...I think the moral of my story...although I'm not eating my emotions...my stress is still coming out in other ways. If I was exercising...(which I can't even do videos now)...I'd be releasing my stress...and so I'm not eating or exercising my stress it's coming out in my health. UGH!!! My coach told me having a staph infection is irritation coming out of my body so I blame it all on the VIP :D

I knew KNEW I wouldn't be happy if I lost weight, that I would have to be happy no matter what. But I did think a magical wand would fly over top of me and all my health issues would magically float away, rather new and different ones are cropping up as apparently my body is still settling. GRRR

...bonus though, wedding invitations are in the mail! :)

...more to follow on the shoes as I can't possibly try them on right now <sigh>

OMG - I can't stop laughing! I hadn't seen the phrase bolded above before!!! It's great! You have a way of putting a spin on things that not only makes your point, but does it in such a way that lightens the mood. Thank you Ishbel.
I'm really sorry you're having problems with a staph infection; they can be miserable, and lengthy. Hopefully yours will heal sooner than later. :hug: FYI - my new DIL wore nice flip-flops when she & my son married last October. No one ever saw them.

KitKat169
04-08-2013, 11:55 PM
What a day I've had and to top it off, tonight I find out it's not all Unicorns Farting Sparkles. Next I bet someone will tell me that there really are calories in cakes eaten on national holidays.

So day started out with me resigning from the company I have worked for 19 years. I really believed my boss who has bi-polar tendancies would flip out, scream and tell me to immediately leave, never talk to anyone again. He didn't and it took me by surprise so I really wasn't mentally prepared for the rest of the day, telling my direct team and co-workers that I'm leaving (oh, and going to a competitor company in another city). I have shed a few tears today but also felt wonderfully blessed that the people I thought were friends, really are friends. The next hardest day will be leaving them but that won't be for another 3 weeks. In the meantime, I have lots of information to impart and on the home-front, lots of packing to do. I didn't sleep much last night though so I need to get to bed, just had to check in.

Confession time: with the stress of the day, I went out for lunch and had fish tacos with sweet potato fries, then got back to the office where there was a huge plate of cookies, full of gluten so I usually resist but today I ate four, then I ended the work day with a tequila chocolate bottle (the kind you buy at Christmas) because heck I deserved it. At least dinner was a proper P1 meal and I passed on tonight's snack. I feel I should beat myself up for the unplanned excess but today I'm going to forgive myself and move on instead. Tomorrow I'll eat another low carb dinner but a lamb stew with coconut milk for lunch and strawberry muffins with yogurt for breakfast is already on my menu plan.

Tonight I'm trying yogurt using the oven light method and 1/2 skim milk, 1/2 almond milk. I would love to hear how to do you do the crock pot method? The book I read said that low heat was too much and you had to turn the crock pot on and off over the 8-10 hours which really isn't an option for me. However it would be the most convenient place to hold the yogurt.

Maile: thanks for the tip on the book.


Ishbel: sorry to hear your foot story but just think that you have that much longer to dream about shoe shopping before the final purchase is made! Great to hear your invitations are out, I'll watch the mail.

Evepet: your mention of massages reminds me that I was going to give myself a facial when my boss kicked me to the curb and I had no job to go to for the rest of the month. I guess that plan went bad too but I am taking a few vacation days that I need to burn this month so in between packing and house work, I'll find the time to get the facial and destress.

Now back to convincing the unicorns to start farting their sparkles.

gazelle
04-09-2013, 06:54 AM
Ishbel- I am sorry to hear about your health issues, but you also make me laugh! I have always thought that a sense of humor can get us through any situation!

KitKat- I was so happy to hear that you are going to forgive yourself and move on! You have had so many changes in your life and stressors, and have managed them well and even made yogurt!! I am so impressed! I do appreciate the discussion on yogurt--I may try making it myself!


I find myself having really hungry days, still, and overeating "good" foods (yesterday it was beef jerky). I have not figured that out yet. I know that it seems to be the day after I work out hard. I wish this was easier! I think I am struggling a little with the fact that my life is not all "unicorns farting sparkles"!!! The weight is gone, but really nothing else in my life has changed and I need to work through that.

I hope everyone has a good day!!

Maile
04-09-2013, 08:59 AM
Ishbel: I was sorry to hear about your foot. I hope that medication kicks in soon. I agree with you about posting during the difficult times. I had to laugh at your unicorns..I have never heard that.

Gazelle, this maintenance is long process of figuring out what works for you. I have hungry times also. Are you not as hungry on days when you have not previously worked out? Have you considered adding a protein bar on workout days to see if that helps?

Kitkat: I think you should get a facial and a massage. Leaving a job after 19 years and moving are major stress events. I am glad your co-workers are proving to be friends and that they are being supportive in your last three weeks. You sound like you are back on track. Enjoy your yogurt!

Evepet:It sounds like Costco is not a viable option. You are much better off making your yogurt. I like the Century Club as it has a lot of low carb recipes. I may break down and order the new gluten free cookbook.

I am looking at my profile and cannot believe that I weighted 242 pounds...but then again yes, I can believe I weighed that much. All those memories are still there..but I am happily creating new memories.

Ishbel
04-09-2013, 10:10 AM
...perhaps I've only said "it's not all unicorns farting sparkles" in a private message? I have said that sentence to the screen for SURE LOL

:soap:

When I was in Phase 1 I got really tired of people saying "this diet is easy" yadda yadda yadda, I honestly think it's ok for it to be hard and it's ok to admit that. Nothing ever worth it is easy...perhaps those people need to tell the universe it's easy for them to help tell the universe it's not hard? I'm always concerned of what energy I put into the universe, if I say it's 'easy' and it's not really that day will the universe think I'm not listening and make it harder so that I see that I'm human....wow that's deep eh? :)

Last year I was a TOPS division winner and I stood up on stage and said "wow, how did I make it here" I honestly didn't realize the work...this year as part of my speech I'm saying "I'm here, through motiviation, determination, focus and sometimes just plain grit!" ...it's not hard everyday...it's not easy everyday. Some days I think "WOW, I got it today" the next day a complete 180 and I'm "not sure". But if I look at my daily weigh graph (I track it) there is a MASSIVE trend...and it brings me comfort.

The days that I don't feel like the unicorn is farting sparkles...those are the days I think "ok, you can give in...and be what you were...or you can just power through this". As maile once posted "crumble or conquer" :sumo:

My one year on Phase 1, I learned to flex that muscle in my head...I use those muscles sometimes daily in maintenance. But I did learn that it was

1. Ok to be hungry
2. it won't hurt me to say no, there will always be cake
3. I am different then anyone else on this earth so how I eat to maintain will be different then anyone else and that's 'ok'.

I was told once that I don't post my struggles enough and it kinda shocked me. I struggle and as far as I know I share that with you guys....if I don't then please know I do whine to the VIP when I take my breakfast away and replace it with a shake (as a small example). It's less so now (almost a year later) just because...well, it is what it is and there's nothing I can do about it if I'm going to stay this size. That article I read about maintenance (don't know where it is now)....people who lose their limbs have no choice they live life with the cards they are dealt...kinda like us, we have to figure out how to play this game.

But never EVER think it was or is easy on a daily basis for me and I don't think everyday is easy for anyone else. Sharing the difficult moments is part of support...

greeniris
04-09-2013, 10:37 AM
Just back from seeing my coach...she is awesome! She made specific suggestions for breakfast (3 eggs or 2 eggs + 2oz turkey sausage or crustless quiche without milk). Hmmm, it sure sounded familiar! She also reminded me about the other basics of P1. So here we go...

WingnutandMe
04-09-2013, 11:11 AM
Just back from seeing my coach...she is awesome! She made specific suggestions for breakfast (3 eggs or 2 eggs + 2oz turkey sausage or crustless quiche without milk). Hmmm, it sure sounded familiar! She also reminded me about the other basics of P1. So here we go...

Just like KitKat found yesterday, there are lots of good people still out there willing to help. Good luck. Remember we're all here with you for support and like Ishbel says, we all struggle. Just some of us are more vocal than others.

I know you can succeed. :hug::hug::hug::hug:

Molly

P.S. Looks like I'll be in your neck of the woods in a couple weeks. Trying to get all the work done on the classic car we'll haul up. I'll PM you then and maybe we can have dinner together again.

Shawsy
04-09-2013, 02:43 PM
I will be sure to be on the lookout for any sparkly flatulent unicorns, but doubt that I will spot any. They sound like they are pretty rare. Maintenance is going to take some getting used to, and I can see there will be challenges. My first week has been okay (a glass of wine has never tasted so good!) for the most part though.

KitKat169
04-09-2013, 09:13 PM
It was a mixed bag of a day today (sorry for the me post):
Good - the yogurt batch started last night, finished tonight was a huge success. 1/2 skim milk, 1/2 almond milk, no extra skim milk powder. Oven light method. Yogurt set well overnight then I let it drain all day. Mixed back in a bit of the whey and a bit of torani french vanilla syrup. Amazing taste and really creamy.

Fail - I went to Costco to buy a new load of treats for my team (we keep a cupboard stocked but without me I don't know who will feed them :(). Almonds were on the list and I saw Cinnabon cinnamon almonds in a bag so it seemed worth a try. I had a 1/2 serving put on my napkin then moved the rest to the cupboard. They were sooo good. I had 3 more 1/2 servings before the afternoon was out.

I did a lighter P1 dinner but I do need to beat myself up over this one. Tomorrow will be a P2 day with lunch and dinner plans. I need to nip this trend now. I am tired and cranky feeling tonight so I think I will also head to a bath and bed early. It feels like a crash from the stress and emotions.

Thanks for your post Ishbel. I think you have a good balance of positive and struggles. My post yesterday said I wasn't going to beat myself up over the cookies but really I was just trying to keep myself positive. This morning I beat myself up over the scale which was up probably because of stress, little bit of "C" and maybe the cookies but it was still a bad start to the day. So sometimes there is still struggle behind the positive but an effort to still push through.

WingnutandMe
04-09-2013, 09:22 PM
It was a mixed bag of a day today (sorry for the me post):
Good - the yogurt batch started last night, finished tonight was a huge success. 1/2 skim milk, 1/2 almond milk, no extra skim milk powder. Oven light method. Yogurt set well overnight then I let it drain all day. Mixed back in a bit of the whey and a bit of torani french vanilla syrup. Amazing taste and really creamy.

Fail - I went to Costco to buy a new load of treats for my team (we keep a cupboard stocked but without me I don't know who will feed them :(). Almonds were on the list and I saw Cinnabon cinnamon almonds in a bag so it seemed worth a try. I had a 1/2 serving put on my napkin then moved the rest to the cupboard. They were sooo good. I had 3 more 1/2 servings before the afternoon was out.

I did a lighter P1 dinner but I do need to beat myself up over this one. Tomorrow will be a P2 day with lunch and dinner plans. I need to nip this trend now. I am tired and cranky feeling tonight so I think I will also head to a bath and bed early. It feels like a crash from the stress and emotions.

Thanks for your post Ishbel. I think you have a good balance of positive and struggles. My post yesterday said I wasn't going to beat myself up over the cookies but really I was just trying to keep myself positive. This morning I beat myself up over the scale which was up probably because of stress, little bit of "C" and maybe the cookies but it was still a bad start to the day. So sometimes there is still struggle behind the positive but an effort to still push through.

Kitkat,

I think you have over the top stress you are dealing with. It's good that you are recognizing that you are having slips. Use what was on the Beck website for today, "Mistakes are an unavoidable part of the learning process. You canít learn to diet successfully without making mistakes along the way, just as you canít learn to play tennis without missing a few shots. If you have the unreasonable expectation that you wonít make mistakes, it will only make you feel worse, and make it seem like a much bigger deal, when you inevitably do." Don't beat yourself up. Just keep posting and talking to us and working on rectifying things. I think you're doing good with what you're dealing with.

We love you :hug::hug::hug:
Molly

KitKat169
04-09-2013, 09:45 PM
Thanks Molly. I missed that Beck quote today but it fits. I hate the being human and making mistakes part of life but I need to accept them. I feel bad that I'm not doing some packing or cleaning but tonight I think I need to just relax.

gazelle
04-10-2013, 07:55 AM
Maile- Thank you for your constant positivity and advice. I really appreciate how you read through the posts and comment directly to each one of us!

KitKat- I hope you have a better day and stay with yourself through this journey. I can see, through you, how we all tend to be our own worst enemy and for now I hope you can be gentle and kind with yourself because you have alot going on!

Momto2cs
04-10-2013, 11:49 AM
Kitkat..forgive yourself and wipe the slate clean. Allow yourself today to rejuvenate and relax. Tomorrow will be a brighter and more productive day!

greeniris
04-10-2013, 01:44 PM
Kitkat - sure hope today is going better for you! Try not to stress, everything will fall into place.

Molly - I too missed that quote; it is one I should print out and post where I'll see it often! Hopefully we can get together when you're up here later in the month. Bring warm outerwear! We've gotten a few more inches of heavy wet snow since early this morning, and expecting up to 11" here by Friday afternoon. Of course, where your cottage is may not get anything near that amount, but best to be prepared. TTYL

Ishbel
04-10-2013, 02:05 PM
kitkat :hug: the start of maintenance is stressful in itself, you're doing better then you think you are! :)

Reference beck diet facebook...just keep liking their statuses or commenting, the more you do that the more facebook knows to put it in your newsfeed. You can also go on her website and find ALL her daily thoughts in one area. :)

WingnutandMe
04-10-2013, 03:25 PM
Reference beck diet facebook...just keep liking their statuses or commenting, the more you do that the more facebook knows to put it in your newsfeed. You can also go on her website and find ALL her daily thoughts in one area. :)

I'm not a big Facebook fan, so I just use Beck's website and their daily diet solutions. Since I use Firefox as my browser, you can pin tabs so they're always there and open. I have Beck right next to 3FC ready for a quick click and there they are to read.

http://www.beckdietsolution.com/daily-diet-solutions/

Have a good day, all.
Molly

Maile
04-10-2013, 04:31 PM
Molly: I liked that Beck quote. Making mistakes is part of the process of learning to maintain weight.

Kitkat: I hope you are feeling better. Everyone here has days where they get off track or are unmotivated. Like you say, there may be struggles, but underneath it all is a strong will and effort to push through and stay on track.

I have had days where I am uncomfortable with some up pounds. However, the change for me is that in these 2 and one half years, I do not tell myself to give up and blow it on a binge.
For me a phase of maintenance could be a cycle of complacency. You have all of your healthy foods, habits, exercise, going very nicely. Then a few pounds creep up and then do not just go down. So you might allow yourself to be complaisant instead of immediately attacking the problem. However, there is no choice but to end the complacency and to fine tune your life until those pounds go down.

Gazelle: Thanks for your kind words. I hope your week is going well.

Momto2cs: compassion for yourself is so true.

Shawsy: wine was very nice and long months without it.

Cindy: You have a supportive coach who can think out of the IP box.

Ishbel: It is not easy. The registry vows that it will get easier. I was reading a blog talking about that very subject..that maintenance was not easy. I was surprised at the number of people who jumped in and said they agreed..some who had been maintaining for 4 or 5 years. I like your attitude that it is ok to be hungry, to say no and to be different.

joysh
04-10-2013, 11:05 PM
Hi All!

Thanks for your conversation and inspiration. I know it's going to be a continuous journey!

I'm a little nervous about taking the plunge out of ketosis. I've put off going to Phase 3 for over a week now, which makes 3 weeks on P2! Ack! I went food shopping so now I have my breakfast foods. I know I don't REALLY have to wait until the weekend to do it, but I want to wait until Friday at least. Not sure why.

I really like the weight I'm at right now. I don't want to lose more - but I don't want to gain either. I know it's time to stop the "losing" phase of this journey and begin to learn to maintain.

I think the good aspect is that I see myself as I am now. I always have seen myself with this body and was always surprised when I saw pictures of myself. I could never believe my body was so big when I pictured myself so much smaller. Now my real body matches the way I saw myself.

Anyway, hello to you all. I'm coming very, very soon.

KitKat169
04-10-2013, 11:37 PM
Thanks for everyone's nice words of support. Today was a better day. I felt like I had time to process what was going on and to recreate some control over life. I saw my coach after work today and I was up a bit in pounds (down in inches!) but also doing a P1 day for the most part. She kept asking me about what I could do differently the next time but I kept stressing that this was unique, i.e. not everyday you leave a company of 19 years. And yes there will be other stressful days but my lesson learned was to plan, plan, plan then stick to the plan. Don't start with what isn't on the plan because that's where I fell. By the time I was explaining this to her though, I had already forgiven myself and was ready to move on.

Tonight I had a nice dinner with a friend from work. She took the opportunity to vent about work as she won't have me to talk to about it much longer. I made a P1 yummy dinner but then finished with blueberries and my homemade yogurt for dessert. Now I'm doing a bit of 3FC with a cup of tea then to bed at a decent hour. Tomorrow I'm only working a half day so I'll start more house-cleaning and packing then.

greeniris
04-11-2013, 09:19 AM
Maile - Yes, I am very lucky having the coach I do! She is an RN and also an IP veteran, so she understands the challenges.

Joysh - You will do great with maintenance! Yes, there will be ups/downs, but with your determination & the help of everyone here, you will be a long-term success!

KitKat - So glad to hear you've forgiven yourself for the slips and the next day was better. You know what you need to do and you're doing it just right. ((HUGS))

Yay, woke up and the headache was gone! But don't think I'm in ketosis yet, as I don't have the 'taste' in my mouth yet. Today is only day 3, so it's a bit soon.

I found something else to keep me busy during non-work hours to help alleviate the boredom...I'm going to begin selling jewelry through a newer direct-sales company. Not sure about 3FC's policy on naming these things, so until I find out it will remain unnamed. VIP is going to take on a third job in the next month or so, M - Th, 4 pm - midnight, so I will only see him Sat & Sun evenings :(

Time to get to work - have a good day!

Maile
04-11-2013, 03:38 PM
Cindy..That is hard about your VIP taking a thrid job and working evenings. That is a good idea to start a new business to keep busy. My son is working three jobs also..and still barely making it. I hope your Ketosis kicks in.

KitKat. You sound focused and happy. You are sticking to your plan despite all of your mnoving stress. Good for you.

Joysh: Welcome to maintenance! I think it is great that you see yourself as thin..as you are now. Sometimes I h ave trouble seeing myself as thin. I predict you will enjoy p3 breakfasts. Most people love them here.

I just read a great book about getting rid of sugar addiction. It is at home and I will post it. One interested me was that there were four different types of sugar addictions..I assumed there was just one. Most of the solutions are to stay away from sugar and to eat low glycemic, low carb.

evepet
04-11-2013, 08:00 PM
Hi everyone! I've been so busy this week that I haven't had time to hang in here very much. Got an inquiry last Friday if I was available for an additional work assignment for a couple of months, and I decided to go for it. But it's been a busy and somewhat stressful week getting acclaimated to the new duties, etc., and getting used to things. I worked for this Co. a couple of years ago, so it's not totally new - but still takes some time to remember and consolidate all this new info in my brain. I generally have a pretty relaxed schedule through the day, but we're on publishing deadlines with these projects (selling advertising for a couple of magazines) and there's definitely little time through the day for much relaxing... or hanging in forums. :) The longer stretches of being at the computer or one the phone during the day have also brought on a bout of lower back pain. I spent most of today with an ice pack stuck down the back of my pants. LOL. But it did the trick. I've also learned my lesson, and will make sure I take more stretch breaks from now on.

Maintainance-wise all is going well. This morning's check on the scale showed 149.5lbs, so I'm still under my ceiling. Must say that the extra 2 lbs of glycogen regain makes me feel heavy though - because it's all settled in my stomach area. I just don't feel as 'lean and mean' as I did before phasing into maintenance.

Greeniris- glad to see that your coach was so open-minded, and helpful. That means so much. BTW, love the sounds of p/t job selling jewellery. That's tough though, that your VIP has added on a 3rd job. You two will certainly be cherishing your limited amount of together time.

Shawsy - I remember that first glass of wine tasted good too. The odd thing though, is that I was really a bit of a wino pre-diet.... and now I have much less desire for it. And one glass does me.

Kitkat - I was so happy to read that your boss accepted your resignation with grace. That must have been such a relief. Take care of yourself during this stressful period. Be extra kind to yourself.

Joysh - I think once you actually get on P3 it won't seem nearly as daunting. We've been on P1 for so long when it comes time to phase off that it's hard to leave that safe place behind. IT's great that you already 'see yourself' as a slim person. I was a bit like that too - reality always hit me in the face when I saw how big I looked in pictures at my highest weight... I somehow didn't 'feel' that big.

Maile - I'm looking forward to seeing the title of that book re curing sugar addictions. Like you, I was surprised to read you say that there are 4 types of sugar addictions - it's got me curious to read how they're differentiated. It sounds like another one I'd like to add to my reading list. I think reading books like this will help keep me on target through maintenance. The Beck Diet Solution is definitely on that 'must read' list too.

Wingnut, Ishbel, Momto2cs, gazelle - Hi to all of you too!

joysh
04-11-2013, 11:47 PM
Maile - Yes, I am very lucky having the coach I do! She is an RN and also an IP veteran, so she understands the challenges.

Joysh - You will do great with maintenance! Yes, there will be ups/downs, but with your determination & the help of everyone here, you will be a long-term success!

Yay, woke up and the headache was gone! But don't think I'm in ketosis yet, as I don't have the 'taste' in my mouth yet. Today is only day 3, so it's a bit soon.

I found something else to keep me busy during non-work hours to help alleviate the boredom...I'm going to begin selling jewelry through a newer direct-sales company.

Cindy, thanks for the encouragement! And you'll be back in ketosis in a day or so. We are so lucky that we know the "secret." I know it's not easy, but in a way it is, because we know what to do. The jewelry sounds really interesting!


Joysh: Welcome to maintenance! I think it is great that you see yourself as thin..as you are now. Sometimes I have trouble seeing myself as thin. I predict you will enjoy p3 breakfasts. Most people love them here.

I just read a great book about getting rid of sugar addiction. It is at home and I will post it. One interested me was that there were four different types of sugar addictions..I assumed there was just one. Most of the solutions are to stay away from sugar and to eat low glycemic, low carb.

Thanks, Maile! I think I'm afraid that I'll like them too much.

Kitkat, you are really in the "transition" mode now, working only half days. It's all so very exciting! Enjoy the adventure!



Joysh - I think once you actually get on P3 it won't seem nearly as daunting. We've been on P1 for so long when it comes time to phase off that it's hard to leave that safe place behind. IT's great that you already 'see yourself' as a slim person. I was a bit like that too - reality always hit me in the face when I saw how big I looked in pictures at my highest weight... I somehow didn't 'feel' that big.


Thanks, evepet!

Hope all is well with you all! I'm going to take the P3 plunge on Saturday morning with my first P3 breakfast. Looking forward to it. I think I'm nervous that the size 6 jeans that I bought last weekend will start to be tight if I gain 4 pounds. It will remind me of how I felt before I lost weight - tight, uncomfortable clothes. Somehow my logical mind doesn't compute that these jeans are a long way from size 22 that were tight 9 months ago.

Other than that, all is well with me!

scorbett1103
04-12-2013, 09:02 AM
Haven't been able to read or post a ton lately, life is very busy and I'm dealing with a few tough situations....but not with food!!! I think I'm finally relaxing into a routine with maintenance that seems to be keeping the scale on my side :)

KitKat - so many exciting things!!! I'm so glad it went well with your boss, hopefully the last few weeks and your move will pass by without too many bumps in the road.

joysh - Don't worry about loving P3 breakfasts too much - I still do a P3 breakfast every day! I also never saw a big gain in maintenance - I do hover in about a 3-4lb range over the course of a week, but I think that's normal. Most days I'm within a pound of where I was after P2.

One thing I found that helped me deal with the "heavy" feeling I get in my belly now and then is homemade ginger tea. You take ginger root and slice about a knuckle-sized piece into thin slices. Boil in 2-3 cups of water for about 15 minutes. It's great hot or cold, sometimes I add fruit or a little sweetener but most days I just have it with a Tbsp of lemon juice. It's very anti inflammatory, and good for the digestive tract. Plus no caffeine, so it counts towards my daily water!

evepet
04-12-2013, 09:28 AM
One thing I found that helped me deal with the "heavy" feeling I get in my belly now and then is homemade ginger tea. You take ginger root and slice about a knuckle-sized piece into thin slices. Boil in 2-3 cups of water for about 15 minutes. It's great hot or cold, sometimes I add fruit or a little sweetener but most days I just have it with a Tbsp of lemon juice. It's very anti inflammatory, and good for the digestive tract. Plus no caffeine, so it counts towards my daily water!

Good idea! I've put fresh ginger root on tomorrow's shopping list. I'm also bothered by just feeling a bit 'heavy' as you say, in the stomach, even if it isn't really affecting my weight that much. I'll give this a try.

Ishbel
04-12-2013, 12:30 PM
joysh WELCOME! :) :yay: for Phase 3 breakfasts! I love your before and after pics in your signature, you look fabulous.

scorbett1103 Good tip, I forget about ginger in tea because I like my spearmint tea....might have to pick some of that up this weekend...:) Hope things settle down for you soon!

evepet Nothing like an icepack in your pants to make you feel great LOL (once in a while got one myself) Do you still use your gagets when it bothers you? I've had to give the laser back to the VIP's father...but I think I'm ok.

Lizz :wave: Hope all is well with you!

maile I'm sure it will get easier but I think it might get easier because you just accept that how you maintain is just how it is for you (and give up fighting it lol). It's most definately easier then it was when I started...the anxiety flares and then it goes away. I'm looking forward to less flare ups in the years to come. :) Your continued and gentle presence on this board gives me oodles of comfort thanks for hanging out! :)

Had porkchops last night with low fat mushroom soup...added too much water (forgot that the meat adds juices)...SO yummo! Haven't had that in a while, made enough for leftovers tonight and I'm SO looking forward to it.

Momto2cs
04-12-2013, 03:23 PM
Ishbel
If you look at some low carb sites there are some excellent recipes that use plain Greek yogurt for mushroom soup pork chops instead of the canned soup. It works very well as a high protein alternative.

Ishbel
04-12-2013, 03:27 PM
Ishbel
If you look at some low carb sites there are some excellent recipes that use plain Greek yogurt for mushroom soup pork chops instead of the canned soup. It works very well as a high protein alternative.

I have one on my list, I just wanted campbells mushroom soup for the first time in 3 years LOL...shhhh :)

evepet
04-12-2013, 06:15 PM
evepet Nothing like an icepack in your pants to make you feel great LOL (once in a while got one myself) Do you still use your gagets when it bothers you? I've had to give the laser back to the VIP's father...but I think I'm ok.


Yep - that's what you call being kept on ice. LMAO. :D I did the ice pack down my pants routine again today too. Funny how even though it's still cold, it becomes much less noticeable after a while. And my repetoire of gadgets have indeed been recycled back into service over the last 48 yrs or so. :) I've been doing this since I was about your age, so I've got the routine down pat by now. I'm still a bit 'twingy' but I think I stopped it before it developed into a more full-blown & acute stage of back pain this time around.

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We've had a significant ice storm since last night. Woke up to the odd sight of icicles anywhere from 6-12" hanging from all across my balcony railing... ice coating the trees and shrubs; and the hydro and utility cables obviously sagging in places. As a result I was without electricity most of the morning, and my phone-internet-cable TV service was also interrupted for most of the day. So I had a 'forced' holiday. Worked to my advantage, since I preferred because of nursing my lower back back to health not to sit at the phone or computer quite so much today. So I got my wish, and didn't even have to feel guilty. It's still stormy, with this cold, icy rain coming down. I'm so sick of this winter!!! Blick.

joysh
04-12-2013, 08:02 PM
joysh - Don't worry about loving P3 breakfasts too much - I still do a P3 breakfast every day! I also never saw a big gain in maintenance - I do hover in about a 3-4lb range over the course of a week, but I think that's normal. Most days I'm within a pound of where I was after P2.
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Scorbett, thanks. It's encouraging to know that I can stay close to where I am right now. I like the way my clothes are fitting.

Actually, I plan on eating a lot of the lunches and dinners that I've eaten in P1 and P2. I love to eat this way!

Hang in there with your tough situations! Hope it gets smoother soon!

joysh WELCOME! :) :yay: for Phase 3 breakfasts! I love your before and after pics in your signature, you look fabulous.

Thanks, Ishbel! I'm definitely having fun with clothes!


We've had a significant ice storm since last night. Woke up to the odd sight of icicles anywhere from 6-12" hanging from all across my balcony railing... ice coating the trees and shrubs; and the hydro and utility cables obviously sagging in places. As a result I was without electricity most of the morning, and my phone-internet-cable TV service was also interrupted for most of the day. So I had a 'forced' holiday. Worked to my advantage, since I preferred because of nursing my lower back back to health not to sit at the phone or computer quite so much today. So I got my wish, and didn't even have to feel guilty. It's still stormy, with this cold, icy rain coming down. I'm so sick of this winter!!! Blick.

Oooh, an ice storm in April! Relaxation without guilt!
And tomorrow we have an outdoor jazz and R&B Festival here in my little Louisiana town! It will be a beautiful, sunny spring day! :)

evepet
04-12-2013, 08:15 PM
Oooh, an ice storm in April! Relaxation without guilt!
And tomorrow we have an outdoor jazz and R&B Festival here in my little Louisiana town! It will be a beautiful, sunny spring day! :)

Now THAT sounds like a whole lot more fun that this ice storm! And I luv the sounds of a 'beautiful, sunny spring day!!!'. :)

WingnutandMe
04-12-2013, 09:32 PM
Scorbett,
Actually, I plan on eating a lot of the lunches and dinners that I've eaten in P1 and P2. I love to eat this way!

I find this is how I eat. I occasionally will add something carby like a small red potato or sweet potato, maybe a couple bites of rice. Though for snacks, I have made some pretty cool low carb rhubarb desserts and also a cheesecake baked in an almond crust (my cousin's recipe who has severe celiac's). I see no problem with this being the rest of my life.

evepet, sorry to hear about the ice storm. Good you didn't have to be out in it. I'm sure spring will make its way north soon. We are going to Michigan next week. I will try to bring as much of it with me as I can. LOL.

I'm preparing for this trip up north. Last year for all our trips, I was still on P1 and found it very easy to eat on the road and especially to organize and pack the food I needed to take for our time up there. Now on maintenance, I found I've collected up all these specialty items to cook with and I have about three times as much to take with me. I've even taken pint and quart canning jars to divide and store my flours, etc. DH is telling me not to get too carried away. But, I just don't want to buy duplicates as expensive as this stuff is. We're hauling one of the classic cars on a trailer, so I have a whole extra car to use for packing.

Going to another car show tomorrow. This one is in the home town of former US President Jimmy Carter. He is supposed to come and pick out his personal favorite and award that car along with the other awards that will be given. We don't expect any awards, we just like to go and watch the people and talk to them. I'll try to get some pictures and post later tomorrow.

Molly

Lynnie63
04-13-2013, 08:43 AM
I find this is how I eat. I occasionally will add something carby like a small red potato or sweet potato, maybe a couple bites of rice. Though for snacks, I have made some pretty cool low carb rhubarb desserts and also a cheesecake baked in an almond crust (my cousin's recipe who has severe celiac's). I see no problem with this being the rest of my life.



Molly

I'd love to see the recipe for the cheesecake and the rhubarb desserts, Molly.

I had decided to,go on P2 after my Wednesday weigh in, even if I didn't see 150 on my home scale, but I saw it this morning! I've been weighing myself daily other every other day and got as low as 151.5 until this morning, it's been going up and down. I actually gained .2 at my weigh in this week. I don't think I'll look good thinner, plus I've bought a bunch of clothes and think I look really good in them.

I need to do some research for lunches other than chicken on top of lettuce. I'm going to grill a bunch of chicken breasts this weekend and slice them and freeze them for linch. I was going to get the Tyson Grilled and Ready chicken, but its just as easy to do it myself.

Can't wait to start phasing off on Thursday- It's been quite the year!

Lizzy63
04-13-2013, 11:44 AM
I find this is how I eat. I occasionally will add something carby like a small red potato or sweet potato, maybe a couple bites of rice. Though for snacks, I have made some pretty cool low carb rhubarb desserts and also a cheesecake baked in an almond crust (my cousin's recipe who has severe celiac's). I see no problem with this being the rest of my life.

evepet, sorry to hear about the ice storm. Good you didn't have to be out in it. I'm sure spring will make its way north soon. We are going to Michigan next week. I will try to bring as much of it with me as I can. LOL.

I'm preparing for this trip up north. Last year for all our trips, I was still on P1 and found it very easy to eat on the road and especially to organize and pack the food I needed to take for our time up there. Now on maintenance, I found I've collected up all these specialty items to cook with and I have about three times as much to take with me. I've even taken pint and quart canning jars to divide and store my flours, etc. DH is telling me not to get too carried away. But, I just don't want to buy duplicates as expensive as this stuff is. We're hauling one of the classic cars on a trailer, so I have a whole extra car to use for packing.

Going to another car show tomorrow. This one is in the home town of former US President Jimmy Carter. He is supposed to come and pick out his personal favorite and award that car along with the other awards that will be given. We don't expect any awards, we just like to go and watch the people and talk to them. I'll try to get some pictures and post later tomorrow.

Molly


Hi, Molly - would you share the cheesecake recipe? I love, love, love cheesecake! For me, most of my maintenance dessers so far have been true cheats, and so very limited, sadly... Would love to have a dessert recipe I could use more often, other than fruit and yogurt.

Remember, you can always revert to something more phase 1-ish when traveling. For our recent trip I found it easier to take some shakes, bars, and veggies for lunches on the road.

If I remember correctly, you'll be relocating permanently there at some pont. How far off is that? I've been wanting to visit Michigan for a while - to check it out as a place for a vacation home, but haven't been there since I was a kid. Wherever we end up - good fishing will be required for DH.

joysh
04-13-2013, 11:57 AM
Wow, Lynnie! 108 pounds is amazing!! I just started phase 3 today. This certainly has been a year! Welcome to this thread!

Molly, how strange that we now need more food paraphernalia to travel with now that we're not on P1!! I remember being so careful to take the right number of packets and RTDs. Hope you have fun at the car show today. I'm going to our local Jazz/R&B Festival. I live in the historic district of our town, so I can walk there! Several of my students are playing so I'm looking forward to seeing them!

BTW, I took the plunge and ate my P2 breakfast today! Yay! Onward!

WingnutandMe
04-13-2013, 07:01 PM
Hi, Molly - would you share the cheesecake recipe? I love, love, love cheesecake! For me, most of my maintenance dessers so far have been true cheats, and so very limited, sadly... Would love to have a dessert recipe I could use more often, other than fruit and yogurt.

Remember, you can always revert to something more phase 1-ish when traveling. For our recent trip I found it easier to take some shakes, bars, and veggies for lunches on the road.

If I remember correctly, you'll be relocating permanently there at some pont. How far off is that? I've been wanting to visit Michigan for a while - to check it out as a place for a vacation home, but haven't been there since I was a kid. Wherever we end up - good fishing will be required for DH.

I've posted the recipes on the Maintenance recipe thread Scorbett started. For the blueberry rhubarb pie, I made the filling, but was bad and used a Pillsbury refrigerated crust. The recipe includes a crust, which would probably be somewhat better than the store bought one. I had hoped to used a low carb, but it really needs a top crust. I will probably continue to come up with a better crust, but I loved the filling.

The cheesecake needs to coordinate with your fat meal.

To answer you question about me moving. Yes, we are working on moving to our place in Michigan. It will probably take us a year. The place up there is already fully furnished and I've been in my house down in Georgia for over 18 years. It is a larger house and packed. We have all those classic cars that will have to be trailered up one at a time. We have to determine what from each place we keep and what goes. A long tedious process. DH is not really into rushing and getting things done very fast. BUT, on retirement income, we really can't afford two places. Got to work on getting this one sold.

If you decide to check out Michigan, PM me, we'll catch up. I originally bought this as a vacation home, but decided to retire up there. Being the analyst I am, I spent a lot of time researching. I also grew up in Michigan and know a lot about the state. Greeniris is only about 50 miles from me. We had dinner together last summer. She also knows the state.

Wow, Lynnie! 108 pounds is amazing!! I just started phase 3 today. This certainly has been a year! Welcome to this thread!

Molly, how strange that we now need more food paraphernalia to travel with now that we're not on P1!! I remember being so careful to take the right number of packets and RTDs. Hope you have fun at the car show today. I'm going to our local Jazz/R&B Festival. I live in the historic district of our town, so I can walk there! Several of my students are playing so I'm looking forward to seeing them!

BTW, I took the plunge and ate my P1 breakfast today! Yay! Onward!

I posted about the car show on the 50+ thread, but I'll share here. It was a beautiful day. We didn't win any trophies, but DH got the thrill of a lifetime. He talked and shook hands with former US president Jimmy Carter. I was able to snap a picture of them by our Corvair wagon. Not bad for an 88 year old former US president.

Good luck on your Phase 3 breakfast journey. It's really like going down the yellow brick road in the Wizard of OZ. It's just so delightful IMO.

Molly

knm
04-14-2013, 11:29 AM
Quick question - there's been some threads lately on the cleanse - novi-cleanse or novi-cure. My coach has always said she wouldn't recommend me doing it until I'm in maintenance. Has anyone else heard this? Anyone tried it in maintenance?

Maile
04-14-2013, 11:43 AM
Here are two excellent articles that I found.
The first is on how to talk to your scale. It gives good insight into scale fluctuations..including the lovely fact that 1 molecule of salt needs 52 molecuels of water..and that there is water retention in building muscles...as well as the fact that fruit, vegetables, and water all have weight.

The second is the most comprehensive explanation I have seen explaining the findings of the registry. It is entitled: How to maintain a 30 pound or more weight loss.


http://www.alphabetsolution.com/?p=96

www.rimed.org/medhealthri/2009-02/20
09-02-53.pdf

I read somewhere that when you have lost weight and you have developed muscles, you tend to gain weight around the belly. That seems to be where I feel any up pounds..as others here have mentioned.

Scorbette: I am excited to try that ginger tea for that reason. Thanks.

Molly: Meeting Jimmy Carter must have been so exciting for your husband. You did well with planning ahead to eat healthfully with your trip. I can remember having a suitcase loaded with packets and wf products.

Joysh: How did you enjoy your breakfast? I am still eating lunches and dinners that I ate in p1 and p2..maybe with a little more sauces or marinades.

Lynnie63: Losing 108 pounds is fantastic. I make turkey burgers for lunch or use salmon patties.

Momto2cs: I plan on looking for that recipe using greek yogurt for mushroom soup.

Ishbel: You are right..the anxiety has lessoned a great deal as time goes on. In that registry article, it mentions again that it gets easier with time! Right now I am feeling positive and looking ahead to my 2yr goal. I also love mushroom soup as a sauce.

Evepet: Sorry to hear about the storm! My son had a hail storm yesterday and we are supposed to have snow flurries here today. I hope your back is feeling better.

The name of the book is Beat Sugar Addiction Now by Dr. jacob Teitelbaum

The four types of sugar addiction are:
Type1: Sugar as an Energy Loan Shark: chronically exhausted and hooked on quick hits of caffeine and sugar. Daily fatigue causes sugar and caffeine cravings, which can be cured through nutrition, sleep and exercise.

Type2: "Feed me now or I'll kill you." When life's stress has exhausted your stress-handling adrenal glands. For those people who get irritable when hungry and crash under stress, it is important to treat your adrenal exhaustion.

Type3: The happy Ho-ho hunter: Sugar cravings caused by yeast/candida overgrowth.People who have chronic nasal congestion, sinusitis, spastic colon, irritable bowel syndrome, treating yeast overgrowth is critical.
**By the way I had no idea that antibiotics could cause yeast growth.

Type 4: Depressed and Craving Carbs, Sugar cravings caused by your period, menopause or andropause. The estrogen and progesterone deficiency caused by PMS or menopause produces increased sugar cravings, fatigue, moodiness,insomnia.

He has a detailed check list to see which category you fall in. He offers medical and nutritional treatments.
I sort of have a mild type 1..I do need coffee to get jump started in the mornings and can experience a tired slump in the afternoon some days..but I do not repeatedly crave sugar and caffein to get me through the day...nor do I feel tired all of the time..

My last comment on this short blog: This made me laugh.." You cannot out run your fork! " This was reminding people that your weight is 80 percent nutrition and 20 percent exercise..No matter how much you exercise, you still need to watch what you eat!

greeniris
04-14-2013, 11:53 AM
Hi all, I started back on P1 on Tuesday, and it looks like I've lost 6 lbs already! :carrot: But the weird thing is that I don't think I'm in ketosis. I'm hungry nearly all the time, and haven't had any physical difficulties this week besides the headache I had for a week before beginning P1; no metallic taste in my mouth or the funky BO I had before. The headache finally went away after I took a Lily out of my office on Wednesday. Anyone else go 6 days before without getting into ketosis? (edit: I meant "go 6 days on P1 without getting into ketosis.) I've been fully IP, except I've had 2 'restricteds' on some days. Ketosis or not, I'm super happy to have lost what I have so far!

I don't have much time now, but will come back later to comment on some of your posts. Enjoy your day!

evepet
04-14-2013, 02:11 PM
Hi everyone. I'm enjoying a lazy Sunday, and thought I'd check in.

Nothing new in particular, just curious to see what's going on here. :)


Wingnut - Yes - please bring spring this way!! And thanks for the cheesecake recipe. I'm another big cheesecake fan, and it's great to have a recipe that is fairly health conscious. Oh! Almost forgot!! - I LUV your DH's picture with President Carter! That's a keepsake!

Lizzy - Hi! Glad things continue to go well. Like you, I'm always on the lookout for tasty, but health conscious desserts that will satisfy my sweet tooth but not leave me wanting 'more'. I love fruit and yogourt - but sometimes they just don't fill the requirement.

Lynnie - You've done so well - Congrats! We're about the same height, and I've used 150 as my 'ceiling'. I actually kept dieting until I was a couple of lbs below that, as sure enough I've regain 2lbs of glycogen weight. So now I just monitor myself closely and if I creep over 150lbs it will be back to P1-P2 low carb eating for a few days again. So far, I've been fine - but it's early days... only switched from P3 to Maintenance on April 1st.

Joysh - my big thing with the P3 breakfasts was craving fruit and yogourt. I really didn't care about the protein and grain side of the equation... but bring on the fruit & yogourt! Odd, because I wasn't even a big fruit eater before. I'm still not, although one of my favorite snacks is a sliced up apple with low fat ricotta cheese. Anyhoo... glad you've made the transition, and as you say 'Onward'!

knm - I did an alternate cleanse while dieting, at around the 2 month point. I was without a coach for most of my dieting journey here, so haven't heard that about doing a cleanse now we're in Maintenance. I'll be interested in hearing what the others have to say. Or more about what your coach says on the subject. Welcome!

Maile - Thanks for that informative post. Lots of useful info there. :hug: I like your idea of using turkey or fish burgers for lunch. It would be easy, handy, and economical. I made a turkey loaf last Monday, and ate the leftovers for lunches for a couple of days after... but individual burgers would be just as good. I like tuna burgers with lots of veggies quite well too... with a bit of salsa. Yum.

'Beat Sugar Addiction Now' by Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum, sounds like a good book to read. I'm thinking that I have elements of Type 1, particularly in the mid afternoon... and I'm suspicious of Type 3 as well, although I think the past year's way of eating has helped that. Around 1997 I had a live blood cell analysis done, and the naturopath/technician pointed out what she identified as an excess of candida in my blood stream. I followed a specific low sugar/carb eating protocol for about 6 months, lost weight, and felt much better. However, I've been suspicious over the past few years that it had returned. In addition to the pre-IP diet cravings for sugary and carby foodstuff, I've had a mild chronic sinus congestion that defies logic and never seems to get permanently cleared up with traditional therapies. I also have a fungus on one little toenail that's been there for a couple of years. I've tried all sorts of self-cures over the past 2-3 years, but the low sugar/carb WOE over the past year has produced the most significant results. During the first two months of following the IP-diet protocol, I was also taking a 2 month therapeutic dosage of a probiotic that was supposedly specially formulated to kill and control candida overgrowth. The low sugar & low carb eating lifestyle of this diet was the perfect compliment, and has improved all of my candida-related symptoms tremendously. It's definitely another good incentive to stick to this style of eating and minimize the sugars and carbs, even if I'm in maintenance and technically 'allowed' to indulge in them. While I've been enjoying a few sweet treats these past two weeks, I think it's in my best interests to keep minimizing the sugar/carb intake over the long term.

I like & totally agree with the comment "You can not outrun your fork!". No matter what 'maintenance protocol' we follow, I believe we have to be mindful of the overall calorie intake. Things like separating fat from carbs, etc., are doubtless helpful, but pounds will still creep on regardless of those types of considerations if our calorie intake is consistently too high. I find myself checking my daily calorie average at the end of each week I'm on maintenance. My first week it was averaged around 1250 cals/day. This past week I loosened up quite a bit and I found the average was closer to 1700 cals/day. Seems high to me, but the scale is still showing me below my 150lb ceiling so all is well. This probably explains why I'm feeling 'heavier' through the stomach though - that extra 500 cals/day has to make a difference.

Speaking of 'heaviness' through the stomach - I've got some of Scorbett's ginger tea recipe brewing right now, and will be soon enjoying it instead of my usual afternoon herb tea. It will make a nice change of pace for a hot afternoon drink, and even better that I can count it towards my daily water intake.

GreenIris - Glad that your week on P1 is going well, and that you've not suffered too many nasty physical symptoms this time around. You're doing great! Sounds like the lily was the culprit re the headache. Hope you get into the stage of no longer being so hungry really soon! For me that was such a blessing - gotta love ketosis just for that one reason alone.

Guess that's all folks - Cheers for now. Hope each & everyone of you is having a lovely Sunday.

pocahontas812
04-15-2013, 09:51 AM
Hello Maintainers! I've been lurking here for a few weeks as I was approaching goal. I'm at goal now (actually a little below) and am starting 1 week of P2. This coming weekend I'll start P3, then in a couple more weeks I will officially be a maintainer! Nervous and excited at the same time, but definitely more on the excited side.....especially excited about the P3 breakfasts. Went to the grocery store this morning and stocked up on 100% whole wheat english muffins, granola, fat-free greek yogurt, and low-fat turkey sausage. At the end of the week I'll go back and get the fresh fruit. Can't wait!

greeniris
04-15-2013, 10:47 AM
Molly - I'm going to re-visit the maintainers recipe thread too. I had forgotten about that one, and knowing you, you've put some great additions on it!

Love the saying "You can't outrun your fork"! Another one to post in the kitchen :)

Pocahontas - Congratulations on reaching your goal and phasing off! Welcome to the maintainers thread too :D

knm - I never did a cleanse. That kind of thing just doesn't appeal to me.


I am so hungry and it's still an hour to lunch...will try a cup of hot tea to see if that helps. Also, 'C' strikes again...had a cup of Smooth Move Tea the past 2 mornings, but it's not working yet. ugh...

VIP is slowly beginning to feel better. He's been sick since last Thursday (temp of 101.5 for a couple of days). Today is his 4th day of missing work, and he is so bored (when he isn't sleeping). I feel bad for him, but he won't go to the dr. Is taking some amoxicillin he had, but I don't think it's helping. Stubborn man!

Ishbel
04-15-2013, 01:16 PM
Wingnutandme 18 years in a house...wow that would be hard for me to move. How many cars do you guys have? I love your avatar, my dad was HUGE into old cars. VIP likes the new shiny sporty ones and I keep trying to move him in the direction of an old sporty one. :)

pocahontas812 Welcome!

greeniris I always used floralax and it works well for me in maintenance (when I need it occasionally)...I can't remember if you did your original Phase 1 with alternatives or with IP (or if you started with IP) but you should be able to go back to your old clinic to see if they have floralax...it's just ground up prunes. Lots of other things out there too though so you don't 'need' IP, just that floralax works for me. As for the ketosis, are you tracking your carb counts...pretty sure you're doing it alternatively right now. Some people have different amounts of carbs they need to get themselves into ketosis...or you could just be having a difficult week. :(

knm Sorry, I never did a cleanse so I can't answer any questions.

Maile Antibodics cause yeast growth because they kill off all the other good bacteria allowing the yeast to multiply exponentially. This is why I love my probiotics. I got very very ill when I was 23 and received interveinus antibiotics...very hard on your body. That coupled with how I was eating (too much sugar) I'm sure caused a HUGE imbalance in my body. IF I looked at antibodics I'd get an over growth of candiada (this went on for YEARS!)...which caused more medication...yadda yadda yadda. I've had two sinus infections since I've been in maintenance and I truly believe the probotics and lack of sugar in my diet made my body ready to handle those antibiotics better then ever before. The more I research on probiotics the more I believe how good they are for you. I started them in Phase 1 and won't ever remove them. Coupled with the copious amounts of yogurt (ok really not that much but I never ate it before) has really helped my immune system (this is what I think lol)

Lizzy63 I agree with reverting back to Phase 1 ish when traveling. I used bars for breakfast while in Scotland even just to cut the calories.

joysh Hows Phase 3 treating you?

scorbette/evepet & gazelle :wave: :)

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VIP had a great weekend last weekend (4 days more or less not following the rules)...that really effected his weight. So he tackled it last week and said that he wasn't going to have a crazy fun day...which turned crazy. It's down significantly but not down where it 'should' be for him on a Monday morning. So we had a little talk yesterday...cause I gain strength from his strength and back and forth. And that when he's sucessful I am sucessful and his little road into 'before' land scared me...he said he listened and two hours later he said "ok, so how does a gym membership work?"....so he was listening (he's SO very busy right now that it's the only part of the maintenance puzzle he's missing right now). I honestly think that we'd both be lost in this maintenance without each other. He's SO strong and I'm the one that cooks LOL. If you had told me 5 years ago that I would be the 'cook' I would have laughed at you...now I need to know what I eating. I 'heart' my VIP :)

WingnutandMe
04-15-2013, 01:26 PM
Molly - I'm going to re-visit the maintainers recipe thread too. I had forgotten about that one, and knowing you, you've put some great additions on it!

Love the saying "You can't outrun your fork"! Another one to post in the kitchen :)

Pocahontas - Congratulations on reaching your goal and phasing off! Welcome to the maintainers thread too :D

knm - I never did a cleanse. That kind of thing just doesn't appeal to me.


I am so hungry and it's still an hour to lunch...will try a cup of hot tea to see if that helps. Also, 'C' strikes again...had a cup of Smooth Move Tea the past 2 mornings, but it's not working yet. ugh...

VIP is slowly beginning to feel better. He's been sick since last Thursday (temp of 101.5 for a couple of days). Today is his 4th day of missing work, and he is so bored (when he isn't sleeping). I feel bad for him, but he won't go to the dr. Is taking some amoxicillin he had, but I don't think it's helping. Stubborn man!

I've aquired a huge new stack of cookbooks. Slowly going through and trying things. Will post anything I find that seems like everyone will like. I have sort of odd tastes.

Cindy, I was hungry through most all of P1, especially in the AM. I've enjoyed the breakfasts now and don't get hungry until about 1. Hang in there, it will be so worth getting rid of those pounds.

Sorry about VIP, but I understand about men. DH will only go to a doctor if he's unconscious and I've called an ambulance. LOL. Good luck, they are usually babies too when it comes to being sick.

Frustration. Had to order tow hooks to tie down the car we're hauling. Ordered them last Wednesday. Called Friday and was told they would most likely be shipped that day since they were in stock. Called today. They had a computer glitch and our order was caught in the glitch. NOW it is all set to ship. I told them our leaving was dependent on those hooks. Couldn't they overnight them since this was THEIR problem. Doubt that will ever happen. Now, the weather is going to be bad Friday. We wont have the hooks in time to leave Wednesday (2 day trip) to beat the bad weather. I hate traveling on the weekends. Those people are crazed. I'm not sure now when we'll get to leave.

Sorry for venting. Thanks thoguh, it'll keep me from eating something I should not.

Have a great day.
Molly

KitKat169
04-15-2013, 01:28 PM
I took a few minutes today to catch up on the threads but I don't have the energy to post replies to everyone. Sorry this will then become a 'me' post. I'm busy doing moving stuff mostly but have had a couple events that have taken me out for long late evenings too. Yesterday I slept in a bit bit then have to move out of bed and quickly into overdrive for the day. Today I am off work and also slept in but again need to move a lot once I'm out of bed. I have been taking lots of tylenol to deal with headaches and body aches but I hope in a week I can just slow down and have some physical recovery time.

This morning my scale was up over my max limit. I know it is partly muscle inflammation and also waiting for Novi-lax to kick in. I need to restock my smooth move tea. I think I should move to P1 for a day or two but I'm nervous about losing energy because of it. So I'm going to hang in a more careful P3 for the rest of this week and not add any evening carb. I may also eliminate a fruit/yogurt snack and have an IP pudding or bar instead.

And I was feeling better over the weekend even with the activity levels, but probably because it was sunny and up to plus 8 at my house. Today I'm supposed to be packing a load of boxes to a friend's place for temporary storage and it's minus 1, windy and snowing sideways with at least 4 inches on the ground already. I hate winter, I want spring!!!

WingnutandMe
04-15-2013, 01:45 PM
Wingnutandme 18 years in a house...wow that would be hard for me to move. How many cars do you guys have? I love your avatar, my dad was HUGE into old cars. VIP likes the new shiny sporty ones and I keep trying to move him in the direction of an old sporty one. :)

Ishbel, I used to move every few years as a way to control accumulating stuff. Now it's out of control after 18 years.

As for our classics we definitely will haul six up, plus a pink 4x4 Ford F150 (yes, pink). We have three more classics here that really need to be sold, but might end up going if the right buyer doesn't come along. There are two already up in Michigan. Yes, we got a little carried away on "that's really neat, let's buy it."

Found today's quote on the Beck website appropriate. Probably more so for us maintainers, but I can also see it working for P1 in some areas that aren't really specifically desserts, like restricteds.

"Cutting out all desserts never works for the long term because youíll eventually eat them again and, when you do, go way overboard. Because of this, itís actually IMPORTANT that you work treats into your diet to prove to yourself that you can eat them in reasonable portions. Desserts are a necessary part of rest-of-your-life eating!"

Molly

gazelle
04-16-2013, 06:47 AM
Hi Everyone! It is nice to read through everyone's posts and learn! I have not been around for the last few days and have enjoyed catching up.

My DH and I finally spent the night out of town to celebrate my birthday from January, and while we were gone my 16y/o son decided to be a teenager.....Lots of stress, but I guess all normal. Just now feeling like things are smoothing out. Had kind of an extended "fun" weekend and after a P1 day, up 1.2 pounds. I have still mostly been eating low carb, but I know I have overdone it on the nuts and fat. I'm going to focus on cutting those out for a few day.


Maile- Love to hear about the articles you are reading. I like to read and gather as much information as I can also.

Greeniris- glad to see that a week of P1 went well...

Welcome Pochahontas!

Evepet- I also like the quote "you can't outrun your fork". I have always been an exerciser and before IP, I think one of the reasons I gained weight was that I convinced myself I could eat whatever I wanted because I exercise! I can still fall in that trap and need to reign that in!

Ishbel- I love hearing about the strength that you get from you VIP (and it sounds like he gets from you!). It is so much easier to have support and companionship on this journey. I also understand about the cooking! It really doesn't have to be complicated either!

KitKat- I hope you get some deserved rest this week....

Wingnut- I also like hearing about your cars! Thanks for the Beck quote. I always learn something from her.

Have a good day!!!

Beck81
04-16-2013, 11:54 AM
Hi everyone. Sorry I haven't posted for awhile but I have been reading. Maintenance is going well for me. Still figuring it out. I was eating too few of calories and my weight went up so I think there is something to starvation mode. I am doing a recipe class at my clinic next week so I have some work to do to get ready. I am not a public speaker so I will be nervous for that. Glad everyone is doing well!

Maile
04-16-2013, 06:29 PM
Becky: Good luck on your recipe class at your center. That sounds fun. I had to give a speech on weight loss at my gym and was nervous also! I wish my IP clinic had offered more recipes. I got all of mine here.

Molly: I agree with treats being an important factor. If you feel deprived in what you are eating, you may feel the need to go off. That is frustrating for you to have your move thwarted by tow hooks and cold weather! You are right..venting is better than eating. I have tons of recipes!!!!!

Cindy: You must be in ketosis by now! I hope your VIP is feeling better. Hot tea is useful for hunger!

Evepet: Tuna burgers sound like something I would like. In his book he recommends pro-biotics, yogurt, high protein, low glycemic index..lots of veges and fruit...also low or no sugar. I am glad you are feeling better with your current eating.

ishbel: He recommends that you take pro-biotics before you are going on an antibiotic. Are there any calories or side effects to pro-biotics? I am eating yogurt also. Could be why we have great immune systems! You are lucky to have such a supportive husband to be. My husband and I often go to the gym together. I never thought I would be doing so much cooking either..my husband likes to cook but I have to watch him adding too many carbs and calories!
Gazelle: I have found the same..eating higher fat ..even if it is low carb can cause a weight gain!

Welcome Pochahontas: You will love fruit again.

joysh
04-16-2013, 10:03 PM
Hi All! Just checking in. I started P3 on Saturday. Thanks for the encouragement. Gee, that was hard to take that step.

That said, today I met with my coach and lost another 2 pounds. Last week I also lost 2 pounds, so that's 6 pounds lost since I started phase 2. My coach says that I need to start stabilizing. I'm happy right where I am. Perhaps I needed my real upper limit to be 120, not 125. Anyway, we'll see what happens next week at WI after a full week on P3. I might incorporate a bit more fats and sugars in my foods.

Meanwhile, I'm having great fun wearing my size six pants. Nevah in my life did I think I would wear a size six!

And I'm loving my P3 breakfasts. That Greek yogurt with granola + fruit is just wonderful! And I even get to eat 1 1/2 TBSPN of fresh peanut or almond butter right from the spoon, too! Extra yum!

It's pretty amazing to be on this end of the weight loss journey. I know it's an ongoing journey, but I'm enjoying where I am right now.


I read somewhere that when you have lost weight and you have developed muscles, you tend to gain weight around the belly. That seems to be where I feel any up pounds..as others here have mentioned.

Joysh: How did you enjoy your breakfast? I am still eating lunches and dinners that I ate in p1 and p2..maybe with a little more sauces or marinades.

My last comment on this short blog: This made me laugh.." You cannot out run your fork! " This was reminding people that your weight is 80 percent nutrition and 20 percent exercise..No matter how much you exercise, you still need to watch what you eat!

Thanks for the info on sugar addiction, Maile! Wow, a 2-yr milestone! How inspiring!!

Cindy, down 6 pounds already? That's great!!! Glad the headache is gone.

Hi, evepet!! Spring will come your way very soon. I promise.

Hello Maintainers! I've been lurking here for a few weeks as I was approaching goal. I'm at goal now (actually a little below) and am starting 1 week of P2. This coming weekend I'll start P3, then in a couple more weeks I will officially be a maintainer! Nervous and excited at the same time, but definitely more on the excited side.....especially excited about the P3 breakfasts. Went to the grocery store this morning and stocked up on 100% whole wheat english muffins, granola, fat-free greek yogurt, and low-fat turkey sausage. At the end of the week I'll go back and get the fresh fruit. Can't wait!

Pochontas, this was me one week ago!! I just started P3 this past Saturday. My shopping list looked exactly like yours. I've been eating the yogurt, granola & fruit mixture + a little peanut butter. It's very yummy. I'll try an egg tomorrow and English muffin! Welcome to this thread and to P3!

Have a great day.

Molly, sorry to hear about the tow hooks! Hang in there!

Kitkat, hang in there, too! I know these big changes are stressful. Be kind to yourself!

Beck, let us know how your recipe class goes. Sounds interesting!

Maile and Beck, My coach is wonderful, but she never gave me any recipes. In fact, I've shared loads of recipes from this forum with her!

Molly: Yes, I too agree with treats being an important factor. This afternoon I had a double chocolate Zone Protein Bar. Wow! That's delicious!

Oooh, that's a long post! Have a great evening everyone! :):)

Maile
04-17-2013, 08:19 AM
Joysh: Peanut butter and almond butter are heaven to eat again! I nver thought I would wear size 6 either. It sounds like you are doing great!

It is 31 degrees here..when is it going to warm up? Off for a cold cold walk.

Momto2cs
04-17-2013, 09:01 AM
Morning all!
Welcome to all the new maintainers!

evepet
04-17-2013, 09:47 AM
Hi everyone. Just popping in to say a quick 'HI'. I did a slightly lower carb day yesterday (not strictly P1, but lower carb) and saw that I've dropped down a lb from yesterday's WI. Sodium intake was lower too, so it was probably just the combo of those two factors. I'm still well below my ceiling weight, so all is well on that front.

I've been sampling the ginger tea & lemon tea, and really quite enjoying it. Love the fact that it counts towards the daily water intake. I think it will turn into my afternoon beverage of choice.

Still wanting to try the yogourt making, but it looks like I'll need to buy a thermometer first. And I want to use the crock pot, which I see requires paying attention at specific intervals of time and turning the heat on/off, etc... I think it's going to be a Saturday or Sunday job. But I'm curious to give it a go..... :)

All is well here, and hope each of you is having a good day. Cheers for now.

joysh
04-17-2013, 09:53 AM
Morning all!
Welcome to all the new maintainers!

"Maintaining since April 2011" - now that's music to my ears!! Yay!

greeniris
04-17-2013, 12:13 PM
Hi everyone. Sorry I haven't posted for awhile but I have been reading. Maintenance is going well for me. Still figuring it out. I was eating too few of calories and my weight went up so I think there is something to starvation mode. I am doing a recipe class at my clinic next week so I have some work to do to get ready. I am not a public speaker so I will be nervous for that. Glad everyone is doing well!
You will do great at the class - it is a subject near & dear to you! It's ok to be nervous, everyone listening will completely understand.

Morning all!

Hi Mom:wave:

Hi everyone. Just popping in to say a quick 'HI'. I did a slightly lower carb day yesterday (not strictly P1, but lower carb) and saw that I've dropped down a lb from yesterday's WI. Sodium intake was lower too, so it was probably just the combo of those two factors. I'm still well below my ceiling weight, so all is well on that front.

I've been sampling the ginger tea & lemon tea, and really quite enjoying it. Love the fact that it counts towards the daily water intake. I think it will turn into my afternoon beverage of choice.

Still wanting to try the yogourt making, but it looks like I'll need to buy a thermometer first. And I want to use the crock pot, which I see requires paying attention at specific intervals of time and turning the heat on/off, etc... I think it's going to be a Saturday or Sunday job. But I'm curious to give it a go..... :)

All is well here, and hope each of you is having a good day. Cheers for now.
Evepet - You're doing great with maintenance! I'm curious about making yogurt too, but not sure I'll actually try it.

The other day I reported I had dropped 6 lbs since beginning P1 on Tuesday - but the next day 2 of them re-appeared, now today back down 1. Guess I should stop weighing myself daily, but it really doesn't bother me as I know the ups/downs are normal.

Yesterday I shared on the Fab 50's thread that my DS was on his way to Louisiana to pick up his DD, 6 yrs old. Looks like the mom finally got herself into a jam she can't get out of (facing jail time), so DGD will be living with her daddy in a loving and safe home now! Today they are driving back; the pic I got in a text this morning shows a beautiful, HAPPY little girl! :D:cp::cp::cp::dance::dance::cheer2: Can't wait to see her!!! (DS lives about 3 hrs from me, so might be a couple of weeks yet.)

WingnutandMe
04-17-2013, 12:44 PM
I have a couple 40 year old yogurt makers. Sure glad I kept them all these years. They have individual 6oz jars (5 per maker). I've been straining the yogurt after it's finished using coffee filters to make Greek yogurt, but then I really only end with 4oz, but it is soooo good. I have not succeeded using partial almond milk though. I'm having to stick with just plain milk.

According to UPS, our delayed tow hooks are on the truck to be delivered today. Now we are juggling bad weather. Do NOT want to drive hauling a car on a trailer in bad weather. Last year we were hauling a golf cart on a trailer and a boat tied upside down in the truck bed and got caught in a terrible storm in Ohio. Flipped a few semis. Fortunately, we had stopped for gas and were still sitting at the pump, but ready to drive out when it hit. We sat there and rocked all over the place with the high winds. Very scary stuff. Not taking a chance this time.

Packed all the food (split up bags of specialty flours, spices, etc.) and have four large crates. I used to carry all my packets and RTDs in a large canvas bag. But, of course, many items will only be taken one time as I will leave them up there when we do come back. We will be in Michigan now more than down in Georgia. Can't wait.

Molly

GreatLakes86
04-17-2013, 01:55 PM
Where in Michigan are all of you? I'm from the U.P. and I miss it like crazy. I grew up right on Lake Superior and Interior Alaska just doesn't have the "big water". I miss the lake! What passes for lakes here is kind of sad. :lol:

WingnutandMe
04-17-2013, 02:59 PM
Where in Michigan are all of you? I'm from the U.P. and I miss it like crazy. I grew up right on Lake Superior and Interior Alaska just doesn't have the "big water". I miss the lake! What passes for lakes here is kind of sad. :lol:

Wow. You were really north and on Lake Superior, too. We have a place just south of Houghton Lake on a tiny 24 acre lake. I lived in St. Ignace as a child before the bridge. I was missing Michigan and that was the reason I bought the place 3 1/2 years ago. Now, it's going to become our retirement home. I'm just not a southern gal.

Molly

KitKat169
04-17-2013, 09:10 PM
Maile: thanks for the information on the four types of sugar addiction. Sounds like another book Iíll have to get.

Beck: nice to hear from you. A recipe class sounds like fun. I should suggest that to my coach.

Joysh: glad to hear you are enjoying P3. It is definitely a fun adjustment to get those breakfasts. I still eat mainly P3 style breakfasts although Iíve decreased the portions a bit.

Greeniris: in a roundabout way, congrats on having your DGD a little closer by.

My stress and activity levels are still high but getting more under control. I feel like Iím actually making progress and am finishing the sweep of some rooms. Also I finally had my neighbor and handyman over to look at minor repair and painting work to be done and he said heíll be able to finish it by the middle of next week when my cleaning crew comes in for a major clean. I was worried about finding someone to do the work so quickly so it was a relief to get this figured out.

My other dilemma was finding a kennel to put my cats in while Iím away and my house is being shown. They usually stay at home with a pet / house sitter so a kennel will be a strange new experience for cats that can stress easily. I went to one and it was horrible. I finally talked to another one that sounds really great and their web pictures look good too. Iíll be touring it on the weekend but have tentatively booked a deluxe condo for them.

I have two more weeks to finish off my old job and I hope it goes faster than it feels like now. My direct boss is relatively new (he started 1 week before I resigned!) so he is like a deer in the headlights with everything Iím trying to pass to him. Iím concerned for my team moving under him even temporarily. And otherwise, there are 6 other people Iím training to take over various aspects of my job because I know too much for 1 person to handle. However coordinating all of them and getting them to see the urgency is a challenge. I know I'm leaving and shouldn't sweat it but I still care that I'm leaving things in a good state!

I had this afternoon off which I spent working on the house. Iím off tomorrow morning too but I think it will be a relaxing morning with some coffee and a book. I will probably get my grocery shopping done too so I donít have to worry about it at the end of the day but thatís it for the agenda.

WingnutandMe
04-17-2013, 09:42 PM
Maile: thanks for the information on the four types of sugar addiction. Sounds like another book Iíll have to get.

Beck: nice to hear from you. A recipe class sounds like fun. I should suggest that to my coach.

Joysh: glad to hear you are enjoying P3. It is definitely a fun adjustment to get those breakfasts. I still eat mainly P3 style breakfasts although Iíve decreased the portions a bit.

Greeniris: in a roundabout way, congrats on having your DGD a little closer by.

My stress and activity levels are still high but getting more under control. I feel like Iím actually making progress and am finishing the sweep of some rooms. Also I finally had my neighbor and handyman over to look at minor repair and painting work to be done and he said heíll be able to finish it by the middle of next week when my cleaning crew comes in for a major clean. I was worried about finding someone to do the work so quickly so it was a relief to get this figured out.

My other dilemma was finding a kennel to put my cats in while Iím away and my house is being shown. They usually stay at home with a pet / house sitter so a kennel will be a strange new experience for cats that can stress easily. I went to one and it was horrible. I finally talked to another one that sounds really great and their web pictures look good too. Iíll be touring it on the weekend but have tentatively booked a deluxe condo for them.

I have two more weeks to finish off my old job and I hope it goes faster than it feels like now. My direct boss is relatively new (he started 1 week before I resigned!) so he is like a deer in the headlights with everything Iím trying to pass to him. Iím concerned for my team moving under him even temporarily. And otherwise, there are 6 other people Iím training to take over various aspects of my job because I know too much for 1 person to handle. However coordinating all of them and getting them to see the urgency is a challenge. I know I'm leaving and shouldn't sweat it but I still care that I'm leaving things in a good state!

I had this afternoon off which I spent working on the house. Iím off tomorrow morning too but I think it will be a relaxing morning with some coffee and a book. I will probably get my grocery shopping done too so I donít have to worry about it at the end of the day but thatís it for the agenda.

Wow, kitkat, you sound so organized. You have it all figured out. Having been a process analyst for the last 20 years, I really appreciate good organization. Hope things work out for your cats. I know how stressed cats can be.

I had the most unusual experience. Pre-IP I was a severe chocoholic. Give me chocolate and I'd finish it off, sometimes a whole bag. Yesterday, I bought a bag of Ghirardelli chocolate squares to take to Michigan to have something individual and small when I do want chocolate. Out of curiousity after a year of no "regular" chocolate, I figured I'd have one just to taste them again. Unbelievably, I almost couldn't finish it. It was just so sweet. It will be a while before I have another as each time I think of them, I get grossed out. Could hardly believe it. Boy, do I love all that IP has done for me.

Molly

Lynnie63
04-18-2013, 08:48 AM
I just wanted to write a quick note here - i'm into swimming pool season, so work is getting nutty, so not much time to visit 3FC during the day.

I'm looking forward to my first P2 lunch today - brought some of the chicken I made over the weekend. Also, had my WI last night - lost over 4#! I gained .2 last week so it kind of makes up for that. Haven't decided if I'm doing 1 or 2 weeks of P2 yet.

I get Calorie Count emails every morning and they have a lot of good information - I thought I'd share this link with everyone on mindful eating - http://caloriecount.about.com/transitioning-mindful-eating-b604436?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_20130418&utm_term=title1 - I haven't read the link they provided for the book or taken the quiz yet, but I thought the information was worth sharing here.

Have a great day!!!

Lynn

greeniris
04-18-2013, 10:57 AM
Where in Michigan are all of you? I'm from the U.P. and I miss it like crazy. I grew up right on Lake Superior and Interior Alaska just doesn't have the "big water". I miss the lake! What passes for lakes here is kind of sad. :lol:
Hi GreatLakes86! I live between Gaylord & Grayling in northern lower MI, though originally from just north of Lansing. I look forward to visiting Alaska one day, but don't think I'd want to live there.

Maile: Greeniris: in a roundabout way, congrats on having your DGD a little closer by.

My stress and activity levels are still high but getting more under control. I feel like Iím actually making progress and am finishing the sweep of some rooms. Also I finally had my neighbor and handyman over to look at minor repair and painting work to be done and he said heíll be able to finish it by the middle of next week when my cleaning crew comes in for a major clean. I was worried about finding someone to do the work so quickly so it was a relief to get this figured out.

My other dilemma was finding a kennel to put my cats in while Iím away and my house is being shown. They usually stay at home with a pet / house sitter so a kennel will be a strange new experience for cats that can stress easily. I went to one and it was horrible. I finally talked to another one that sounds really great and their web pictures look good too. Iíll be touring it on the weekend but have tentatively booked a deluxe condo for them.

I have two more weeks to finish off my old job and I hope it goes faster than it feels like now. My direct boss is relatively new (he started 1 week before I resigned!) so he is like a deer in the headlights with everything Iím trying to pass to him. Iím concerned for my team moving under him even temporarily. And otherwise, there are 6 other people Iím training to take over various aspects of my job because I know too much for 1 person to handle. However coordinating all of them and getting them to see the urgency is a challenge. I know I'm leaving and shouldn't sweat it but I still care that I'm leaving things in a good state!

I had this afternoon off which I spent working on the house. Iím off tomorrow morning too but I think it will be a relaxing morning with some coffee and a book. I will probably get my grocery shopping done too so I donít have to worry about it at the end of the day but thatís it for the agenda.
Thank you KitKat. They got back around 2:00 a.m. this morning.
You are certainly going to be missed at your 'old' job, but people will step up and things will get handled - though you may get a phone call or two asking for help! Just think, a month from now you could be settling into a new home :hug:

I had the most unusual experience. Pre-IP I was a severe chocoholic. Give me chocolate and I'd finish it off, sometimes a whole bag. Yesterday, I bought a bag of Ghirardelli chocolate squares to take to Michigan to have something individual and small when I do want chocolate. Out of curiousity after a year of no "regular" chocolate, I figured I'd have one just to taste them again. Unbelievably, I almost couldn't finish it. It was just so sweet. It will be a while before I have another as each time I think of them, I get grossed out. Could hardly believe it. Boy, do I love all that IP has done for me.

Molly
Wow Molly - that is great! That will certainly make maintenance much easier for you!

I get Calorie Count emails every morning and they have a lot of good information - I thought I'd share this link with everyone on mindful eating - http://caloriecount.about.com/transitioning-mindful-eating-b604436?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_20130418&utm_term=title1 - I haven't read the link they provided for the book or taken the quiz yet, but I thought the information was worth sharing here.
Lynn
Hi Lynnie - thanks for sharing that link! After reading the article I subscribed to the blog, that's how much I enjoyed it. Will check out the quiz later...

Lost another lb this a.m., so back down to the original 6 I had lost last week. About 10 more to go. Couldn't sleep last night, so spent some time reviewing P1 veggie recipes I had saved. Found a few I'm going to try that I hadn't before, and some I had forgotten about.

Have a great Thursday!

Ishbel
04-18-2013, 11:12 AM
maile I don't think probiotics will add to your calorie count anymore then any other vitamin. I still take a multi and an omega 3 and a calcium. :)

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Sorry - bit of a me post! Kinda excited today! :D

Today is my birthday! AND....today is one year that I met my goal and this morning I weighed in 4 lbs below goal. I'm pretty stoked!!! I really enjoyed meeting my goal on my birthday...but now my milestone is on my birthday which makes me look forward to my birthday HAHAHA (I did whine that I felt old today :D) I bought myself a goal ring when I hit goal....I think this one year milestone will be new cross country skis which will touch my wallet :/ but it's health related and I love to do it so I know I will use them. In fact, I've told enough people that I started getting money from my family towards new skis because I want them so badly.

I'm excited that this is considered long term weight loss. I talked to my coach last week, she said that I may not have started 'maintenance' for a month but that I started the stabilzation part of the diet after meeting goal that this is my one year anniversary. So I'll take that and run! :)

I have followed the rules of maintenance as prescribed to me, 1 fun day followed by 1 Phase 1 day...I have fluctuated this past year within 5-6 lbs...with a little spike after Scotland that was fixed by 3 days of Phase 1 (the most I've done in maintenance).

I know for a FACT that I would not have been here without all the wonderful support from Ideal Protein 3 fat chicks. A very special thank-you to all of you who continue to post and share your strategies and ideas. I think the VIP knows you all too!! We talk about this forum :D

greeniris
04-18-2013, 11:21 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ISHBEL!!! And HAPPY ANNIVERSARY too :D So very happy for you to have reached the 1 yr milestone, and to have maintained so consistently...SUCCESS!

'Hi' to your VIP! My VIP is now familiar with some of my IPeeps too...

scorbett1103
04-18-2013, 11:25 AM
Ishbel - congrats on your anniversary!! You are an inspiration to me, and so helpful as I am plodding along at the beginning of my own maintenance journey. You have so much to be proud of!!!

KitKat - I'm amazed that you can find time to relax with all the changes going on! You are definitely a "project management" personality! I'm just trying to deal with my basement during vacation week and I'm going nuts!

Beck - have fun with your recipe class, you will do great!

Molly - good luck on your move! I don't know if I could move INTO the colder weather, I am definitely a warm weather person and always joke that MA is the furthest north I can tolerate :) Michigan is a beautiful state, hopefully you can get everything sorted through and move your cars without too much trouble.

Evepet - It took a little bit to get the hang of doing yogurt in the crockpot, but I invested in a candy thermometer and wrote the times down for my crockpot, so now I can just set a timer for the on/off times. For my crock, it's about 2.5 hours on low to get up to the right temp, and then 2 hours off to cool down before I add the live yogurt cultures. Then I just wrap the whole shebang in a towel for insulation and go to bed - in the morning, yogurt!

Cheekyskeeter
04-18-2013, 11:55 AM
Happy Birthday Ishbel!!!

So today is my last day of P3 and I move on to maintenance....I'm super excited.

capricious
04-18-2013, 12:03 PM
Happy Birthday Ishbel! And Happy Anniversary also! Wow... a year already! Just wanted to check in...
I am back on Phase 1. Trying to focus on the things that enabled me to have success the first time round.
It has been hard to get over the shame of having gained. And having given into old habits. But I am thankful that I am aware of what those habits are and that I have an effective route (Phase 1) back to where I want to be.
Had a great talk with my coach. She reminded me that I only fail if I give up. And that working through my current pattern of 3 weeks of Phase 1 and falling off for 1-3 weeks and then starting Phase 1 again is only going to be overcome with hard work and vigilance. I really need to accept Phase 1 until I have reached my goal. There are so many shining examples in here of what can be achieved with a bit of focus and determination. And I figure if I could do it once I can do it again. I just have to commit to it.
It's been awkward coming back on the site for me as a maintainer who regained. Not sure which thread I belong in. I know most of you in here... but I am at a different part of the journey again.

Maile
04-18-2013, 06:19 PM
Capricous: It was good to hear from you! I have always believed that maintenance is not about being perfect, but is about not giving up trying to find ways to make it work. I predict that everyone here will go through phases when they have up pounds to work off. You are not alone and are definitely part of the maintenance team. I really hope you keep posting.
I am glad you coach is so supportive. You do have the tools and habits that worked for you before and will work again.

Happy Birthday and Happy Anniversary Ishbel! Congratulations on reaching your one year at goal. You are very inspiring! Hope you had a wonderful day. Being 4 pounds under goal is an accomplishment. Woo Hoo!

Cindy: I am glad you lost a pound!!

Molly: I had that samre reaction with a margarita. It was too sweet now.
Cheekyskeeter: Welcome to maintenance. ..very exciting.

Momto2cs
04-18-2013, 06:41 PM
Hey cap!

I stick mainly to this thread and the rebooters. I find a lot in common with both groups. I have regained and lost a couple times over the past 2 years.

I hope you find your phase 1 groove. I like your new pic!

gazelle
04-18-2013, 08:00 PM
Happy Birthday and Anniversary, Ishbel!

joysh
04-18-2013, 10:44 PM
Happy Birthday, Ishbel!! And Happy anniversary!! Wow, one year in maintenance !! How inspiring!!

Beck81
04-18-2013, 11:57 PM
Happy Birthday and Anniversary, Ishbel. I wish you the best!

Maile
04-19-2013, 09:59 AM
Cap..I forgot to tell you that your new picture is lovely.

Ishbel
04-19-2013, 10:18 AM
greeniris, scorbette, cheekskeeter, cap, maile, gazelle, joy, beck Thanks ma ipeeps! :) Thanks for hanging out and continuing to post...you're ideas and support and continued determination give me strength.

Don't think that having a wedding dress to fit into isn't keeping me on point...and you guys REALLY help that!! :)

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Cap awe hun, don't feel any shame, if IP taught me anything is to really work on my sense of self compassion. Forgive yourself quicker and jump back into the battle....use both threads if you like, I lurk in multiple threads and pop into them to post...it will be ok. You are stronger then you think, believe me you.

maile Had a great day, gf at work made a pink princess luncheon LOL (plastic pink table cloth, pink napkins and plastic wine glasses for the water) - also had a birthday girl crown. SUPER funny and they arranged it just steps from my office and then VIP showed up as a surprised too :)

cheeky Welcome to maintenance! :) WAY TO GO!!

greeniris I think we were posting at the same time, way to go on the scale moving...:yay: My VIP waved back lol :)

I was refecting on my one year yesterday and I was stuck on "how come all the other diets didn't work for me, what changed in me" - I find myself still defending how I lost my weight...to people who do it or are doing it and maintaining their loss ...who did or are doing it, in a different way. I think I'm more compassionate to "whatever works for you, no judgements here" - I can't (therefore won't) have certain items...which is why calorie counting never worked for me. A little bit of chocolate in the calorie counting way...means I'll eat all my calories for the day in one sitting (efficient in a vicious sort of way)...and then give up because I wasn't 'strong' enough. My self compassion took a MASSIVE beating during those years.

Thanks ladies (guys that lurk and post once in a while)...you all ROCK!!

WingnutandMe
04-19-2013, 10:36 AM
greeniris, scorbette, cheekskeeter, cap, maile, gazelle, joy, beck Thanks ma ipeeps! :) Thanks for hanging out and continuing to post...you're ideas and support and continued determination give me strength.

Don't think that having a wedding dress to fit into isn't keeping me on point...and you guys REALLY help that!! :)

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Cap awe hun, don't feel any shame, if IP taught me anything is to really work on my sense of self compassion. Forgive yourself quicker and jump back into the battle....use both threads if you like, I lurk in multiple threads and pop into them to post...it will be ok. You are stronger then you think, believe me you.

maile Had a great day, gf at work made a pink princess luncheon LOL (plastic pink table cloth, pink napkins and plastic wine glasses for the water) - also had a birthday girl crown. SUPER funny and they arranged it just steps from my office and then VIP showed up as a surprised too :)

cheeky Welcome to maintenance! :) WAY TO GO!!

greeniris I think we were posting at the same time, way to go on the scale moving...:yay: My VIP waved back lol :)

I was refecting on my one year yesterday and I was stuck on "how come all the other diets didn't work for me, what changed in me" - I find myself still defending how I lost my weight...to people who do it or are doing it and maintaining their loss ...who did it in a different way. I think I'm more compassionate to "whatever works for you, no judgements here" - I can't (therefore won't) have certain items...which is why calorie counting never worked for me. A little bit of chocolate in the calorie counting way...means I'll eat all my calories for the day in one sitting (efficient in a vicious sort of way)...and then give up because I wasn't 'strong' enough. My self compassion took a MASSIVE beating during those years.

Thanks ladies (guys that lurk and post once in a while)...you all ROCK!!

Hi Ishbel,

Belated wishes to you. Glad to hear your had such a great celebration and even better reflection on your year of maintenance. The mental is such a huge part of all of this. I've learned that just in my 6 weeks of maintenance. And, you're right, I doubt any of us could have done as well without each other on 3FC!!

I just posted a recipe I tried last night on the Maintenance Recipes thread. DH loved it. Always good when the meals can work for both of us.

Looking forward to storms today. Have a few indoors things to do and then tomorrow will finish packing for the trip. So much stuff to take to be up there for a couple months. Plus starting the move.

Have a great day, all.
Molly

cscape
04-19-2013, 01:36 PM
Ishbel..I am so glad I logged on today and saw your post...what an awesome accomplishment!. I can truly appreciate your grit, determination and continued efforts to stay with the program to accomplish your goal.
I lost 70 lb and have been floundering with a 15-20 lb gain, so I now how hard this is to reach goal and keep it off. Am so, very, very happy for you!

capricious
04-19-2013, 03:35 PM
Thank you all for the welcome back. It is good to be amongst friends who understand this journey so very well.
Ishbel- Thank you for reminding me of the self compassion and not being judgemental... I keep reading of how one should treat their own self the way they would a friend. And just as I would never tell a friend 'you're sure looking fat today' I shouldn't say such things to myself. But we are our own worst critics.
I, too have tried so many diets that involved counting calories or points and would down them early in the day telling myself I would make it up later and then of course would not keep that promise. And the promises I make to myself are just as important as the promises I make to others. In order to trust myself I need to keep my promises to myself.
And while it's all been said before it's worth saying again because there is strength in repetition also. And I'll take strength where I can get it right now ;)
Maile- You are an excellent role model of how posting helps. Reimplementing and reinforcing good habits is high on the priority list right now. So, am writing down everything I eat on my weekly sheet and trying to check in here daily.
Mom2cs- I like your new avatar as well! Such a cute family :) Splitting my time between this thread, the rebooters and the daily... seeing as how I have a foot in each??...
Hope everyone is having a wonderful Friday...

evepet
04-19-2013, 07:37 PM
Hi Maintenance-I-Peeps! wow - what a busy week it's been. I'm glad it's Friday night! Two days to relax and unwind. I'd forgotten how hard the 9-5 routine is! Finally got a few minutes to sit down, cup of tea in hand, and get caught up here.

Ishbel - A belated but hearty Congratulations on both your year of weight maintenance, and your birthday. You're a great example of how this can be done. Folks like you and Maille inspire me.

Scorbett - Thanks for the advice about the yogourt making. I'll be getting my thermometer tomorrow, and giving it a shot. I'll be sure to take note of what's happening temperature-wise in the crock pot around the time frames you mentioned. It would seem that if I start the heating up process about 4-5pm or so, it'll time out so that I'm allowing sufficient time for the crock pot temp to raise and then fall again to get to the point were I add the live cultures and literally 'wrap it up' for the overnight stretch at around my usual bedtime. Fingers crossed... we'll see what happens.

Wingnut - You are so right - the 'mental' is a hugh part of both the weight loss and the maintenance journey. I can't really figure out what has changed with me, but my head is in a different place this time around. For both phases. I have a strong suspicion that I wouldn't have stuck through the last plateau, and gotten to my final goal weight without the support of this forum.... I'd have problem quit earlier than what I would have ultimately felt 100% satisfied with.

Greeniris - A belated Congrats to you, too, on having your beautiful Grandaughter returned into your son's care. That whole scenario must have been gut-wrenching. I'm so glad that everything has worked out ok, and the girl has a safe and happy home now.

Cheekyskeeter- Welcome to Maintenance!

Hi to Maille, capricious, escape, beck, joysh, gazelle and Momto2cs.

Hope everyone has a great weekend. Cheers for now. :)

P.S. Have a girlfriend coming for dinner on Sunday. Just called her and asked how she felt about sharing a pizza with me? LOL - I'm being a little selfish, as I know she looks forward to my cooking something a little more exciting when she's at my place for a meal (she doesn't cook) - but it's been soooo long since I've had pizza.... and if I buy a Dr. Oetker's pizza it's the perfect size for a splurge for 2 people. :) Plus I'll make a veggie-based low-cal/low-fat soup to start I think... and a nice fresh side salad. And she's bring a dessert. I think I'm going to need a P1 day on Monday! :) But I'm looking forward to some pizza! And this way I won't overindulge on pizza toooo much... and there won't be slices of it left over to temp me!

Momto2cs
04-19-2013, 09:45 PM
I hope the pizza is good. That seems like a perfect way to do it.

LizRR
04-19-2013, 11:52 PM
Hey IPeeps! I've been out for a while, it's been crazy busy around here and I haven't exactly been an IPer lately! Feel like a bit of a fish out of water since I have been GAINING weight over the past 21 weeks! Of course it is all for the good cause of baby-growing. My gain has stayed healthy but I admit to going off the good path a few times - still working on sneaking in veggies when I can as my food aversions continue on (I used to love chicken & veggies!).

I am still running 15 mi/week (down from 25) and weightlifting 2-3x/week. I dropped from my running group as they got too fast for me!!! I do the dreadmill at ~11min/mi with a 2 minute walk/water stop every 20 minutes. I monitor my heartrate throughout. Still feel fantastic and have had no back problems so far, even with the almost ~20lb weight gain to date.

Today is my birthday! AND....today is one year that I met my goal and this morning I weighed in 4 lbs below goal. I'm pretty stoked!!! I really enjoyed meeting my goal on my birthday...but now my milestone is on my birthday which makes me look forward to my birthday HAHAHA (I did whine that I felt old today :D) I bought myself a goal ring when I hit goal....I think this one year milestone will be new cross country skis which will touch my wallet :/ but it's health related and I love to do it so I know I will use them. In fact, I've told enough people that I started getting money from my family towards new skis because I want them so badly.

I'm excited that this is considered long term weight loss. I talked to my coach last week, she said that I may not have started 'maintenance' for a month but that I started the stabilzation part of the diet after meeting goal that this is my one year anniversary. So I'll take that and run! :)

ISHBEL!!!! HAPPY ANNIVERBIRTHDAY!

Maile
04-20-2013, 09:00 AM
Lizr: I think that baby is growing!!! You are staying fit and healthy. How many more months until the baby is due? Pregnancy does weird things..I did not find many aversions, just lots of cravings of unhealthy food,,LOL.

Evepet: That pizza night sound good with that soup. I still love pizza.

Ishbel: too cute about the pink celebration! As I maintain, I also feel that self compassion is important, especially during the up pounds times.

Cap: tracking and posting will keep you focused and on track. Hope today goes well for you. I like this quote:
“Confidence is the result of hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication.” ~ Roger Staubach

I had the pinch test yesterday at my gym. I have lost 6 pounds of fat..My Body Composition is down 2 Percent and is 21.5 which is optimal for my age. I have a normal BMI.The trainer told me that I have most certainly gained muscle weight. I have decided to change my goal weight to 130.
All of my clothes fit and I am in my range.

Have a great weekend everyone. We have rain and more rain.

Lizzy63
04-20-2013, 09:24 AM
Happy Saturday all!

Ishbel - congrats on your maintenance anniversary and happy birthday! What a fantastic accomplishment!

Greeniris - I am so happy for your family! Change is always a bit challenging, but I'm sure you will work through that and it sounds like this is best for your granddaughter. I love having my 3 grandsons nearby and seeing them often.

Evepet - enjoy your pizza! Good strategy to avoid leftovers!

LizRR - good to hear you are doing well. I have wondered how you and the baby are doing.

Good week so far. I don't officially weigh until tomorrow, but looks like I'll be down again, so moving closer to the bottom of my range and feeling like I made the right decision to just do my usual routine after my little gain from vacation.

Have a fantastic weekend, everyone!

capricious
04-20-2013, 09:52 AM
LizR- so happy for you that your pregnancy is going well :) It can be such a hard time physically and you are doing wonderfully in focusing on exercising and getting in what veggies you can... It's funny but I've noticed that things I ate during each pregnancy tend to be the favourites of each child... with my first there was decided cravings for ice cream and it is my eldest child's favourite thing by far... with my last I ate tons of greek salad and that little guy loves his veggies...
Maile- thank you for the quote. It is so very true. I remind myself too that I need to be patient with this process. 21.5 is excellent! Wow!

greeniris
04-20-2013, 09:55 AM
Capricious - I think I remember you from when I began IP early last summer. It IS hard to come back and admit how far off course we've gotten, but you did it and know now that we are all here for you. Maile & Ishbel are awesome mentors to us newer maintainers, and because of them I firmly believe that staying connected with 3FC is a must to achieve long-term success (for me at least). As for which threads you 'belong' on - wherever you feel the most comfortable and supported. For me that is here and on the Fab 50's. Occasionally I read/post on some of the others, but not often. I wish you the best!

cheeky - Yay! You made it:carrot:

Ishbel - Love reading your reflections & insights on the hows & whys, etc. I've learned so much from you, and I thank you for that. :hug: One of the things I'm working on is self-compassion... I think that's a tough one for most of us, but not insurmountable.

If you get too far below your goal weight, that dress might have to be taken in a bit! LOL

Molly - Hope your trip goes smoothly. FYI - there is a lot of flooding in the southern part of MI right now. Sounds like they got a tremendous amount of rain this week, but woke up to a bit of snow again this morning.

cscape - You did great losing the 70! Truly the hardest part of losing weight is keeping it off long-term. I too regained about 15 a short time ago. Now back on P1 and am down 6.5 so far.

evepet - Love your plan of inviting a gf over for pizza to ensure there are no leftovers!

LizRR - Great to hear from you! Sounds like you're doing really well, considering the food aversions. Am glad your back problems haven't resurfaced.

Nothing much to report here. Brought home a LOT of veggies last night so have more variety available. So anxious for spring weather - the garden seedlings have taken over in the house! Planning a laid-back kind of weekend...

EDIT - Maile, we must have posted at the same time. Awesome body composition/BMI! You've worked hard and I'm thrilled for you!

MaMaZu
04-20-2013, 10:05 AM
Hi All-
Checking after a long hiatus from posting
We are in Argentina on a two-week vacation. The first week we spent in Buenos Aires and we are now Mendoza which is in the wine country at the foot of the Andes, so beautiful!
Our vacation, though, hasn't gone as planned as the FIRST DAY I broke my foot! Had to spent two more days completely off it and now have a walking cast and crutches. Needless to say, we had to make some adjustments in what we are doing but still having a great time. My husband will be hiking the Andes and biking by himself while I hang out here in town.
The wine is fabulous. Tonight we are attending a very special dinner given by a world-renowned chef at a winery. Here's a link and check out the menu:

http://www.chefmun.com/chef-mun/

Needless to say there will be some major Phase 1 going on when I return but in the meantime Im having a great time.

Barbara

joysh
04-20-2013, 11:06 AM
Hi Everyone! Happy Saturday! This is my second weekend in a row to stay home in my little town. Yesterday I went to Shreveport (an hour away) on school business and then stayed until the evening. I can't seem to keep myself away from trying on clothes in stores, even if I don't buy a lot. I bought one pair of summer off-white slacks that I can wear to work or for "dressing up." It's so much fun to try on different clothes and styles and see what my new style is!! So much of my life I bought a limited style - what fit! Now I have so many choices!

Did anyone else have that experience after reaching your goal? It's become my favorite form of entertainment. I thought of going to a movie, but decided to hit more stores instead!

Phase 3 breakfasts are going well. Today marks the beginning of the second week for P3. Next weekend (or after the weekend, I think, since I'm traveling next weekend) I'll begin P4!!


Joysh: glad to hear you are enjoying P3. It is definitely a fun adjustment to get those breakfasts. I still eat mainly P3 style breakfasts although Iíve decreased the portions a bit.

Kitkat, It's good to know I can keep eating these breakfasts. It will be fine to decrease the amounts. I get really full after breakfast right now, but know I need to jumpstart my system back into working.

It's always hard to leave a job that you've been in for a while and have done well at. I know they'll miss you. But the new person will be ok. He'll learn and you'll move on to other things. You've given your knowledge, skill, and energy and now will move on to shine in a new place!!

Evepet, What a great idea about the pizza!! I love pizza but it's one of those foods that I'm not sure how I'll trust myself with. I think eating it WITH someone and not having any leftovers might be the solution for me, too. Great idea!!!

Capricious, I think I also remember you from early summer! You'll take care of this because you know how to.

Cindy, I agree with you about staying on 3fC through maintenance. I know I need the support and the group conversation. Cindy, I know you are so relieved and happy to have your DG nearby. Enjoy it! I travel 4 hours to see my sweet twins. It's a journey of love every time! The others are much farther and that's hard.

cheeky - Congrats!

Ishbel Sounds like you had a great birthday!

Molly Be careful on your trip!

LizRR Love the newest pics of your baby belly!!

Maile, wow on the body composition!!!

Mamazu, Wow! Argentina!!! Enjoy every moment! It sounds wonderful!! Sorry about your foot, but you'll still have a great time!

Have a great day, Ipeeps!!

BTW, the family member who I am coaching (no IP clinic near her at all) has been OP for 6 weeks and has lost 24 pounds!! She's thrilled, and I am too!!:dancer::dancer::dancer:

patns
04-20-2013, 12:49 PM
Well I'm another oldie checking in. I am now up 15 pounds, 5 instently in phase 3, 5 with Christmas and 5 more with a Paleo "challenge".
I am hitting phase 1 again as none of my summer clothes will fit if it ever stops snowing here.

So glad to see so many people here with such excellent advice. After my Paleo venture I am actually looking forward to phase 1. I so missed my protein/ spinach shake for breakfast.

Great advice from mom2 about eating only what you really like, That means very few of the pkgs for me this time as I really burned out on them the first time through and my long winter of discontent after. But there is lots of good things I can make with my preferred brand of protein powder. I sent an order to Nashua for my favorite things, the oatmeal for my rhubarb dish and blueberry pancakes.
Maile and Liz, I am so impressed with how you stay on track with the exercise and others too who stay on track long term.

Cap, hopefully we will be able to get out soon in dryer snow free areas.I drive by the National Park everyday and so want to get back to walking there ( and trying not to startle the bison!)
Iris I have been following your battle this winter and and so glad you got back on track as I have been going through the same thing. Also you must be very relieved that your grand daughter is in a safer place.

I had not been posting on this thread because I have not been doing well with maintaining. But this is where the expert advice is so I know you won't mind if I rejoin you here. I didn't mention everyone but you all are such important role models with your calm steady approach to maintaining your healthy life style.

After my venture into Paleo I realize that what is important is what works for us as individuals. So many people who regain blame it on not phasing off properly. That is important but what is more important is monitoring what works for us. For me I realize now I will have to following a phase 2 type plan for at least 90% of my week.
With the stress I experienced giving up my protein/spinach shake with my long early morning commute I know that is not a bad thing at all. My ancestors didn't have protein powder. They also didn't get up at the crack of dawn and drive over an hour before their workday began either.

Pat

scorbett1103
04-20-2013, 12:56 PM
After my venture into Paleo I realize that what is important is what works for us as individuals. So many people who regain blame it on not phasing off properly. That is important but what is more important is monitoring what works for us. For me I realize now I will have to following a phase 2 type plan for at least 90% of my week.
With the stress I experienced giving up my protein/spinach shake with my long early morning commute I know that is not a bad thing at all. My ancestors didn't have protein powder. They also didn't get up at the crack of dawn and drive over an hour before their workday began either.

Pat

Welcome back!! You are so right - it's one of the biggest challenges of maintenance, finding what works for us individually! I tried following the IP recommendations strictly at first, but for me what works is more of a weight-watchers style menu, with lower carbs at lunch and lower fats at dinner. My snacks do not always follow the fat/carb separation rule but I try to have at least one snack that is strictly a veggie or a fruit. Calorie counting and balancing my fat/carb/protein intake over the whole day seems to work best.

Good luck on your reboot and figuring out your maintenance plan!

Momto2cs
04-20-2013, 03:12 PM
Hey pat! Nice to see you back. I definitely think posting and reading the forums helps keep you on track.

My PN program continues to be good. The "rules" include eating veggies and protein for every snack or meal, with some good fats. Carbs are only post workout. I have started having a bit of fruit and some higher carb veggies more often and it has not impacted my weight. I had to do progress pictures today and since January I have lost 10 inches. And I look better and feel stronger.

Maile-that is an excellent bodyfat. Clearly you are doing things right!

DRegan
04-20-2013, 03:40 PM
Welcome back!! You are so right - it's one of the biggest challenges of maintenance, finding what works for us individually! I tried following the IP recommendations strictly at first, but for me what works is more of a weight-watchers style menu, with lower carbs at lunch and lower fats at dinner. My snacks do not always follow the fat/carb separation rule but I try to have at least one snack that is strictly a veggie or a fruit. Calorie counting and balancing my fat/carb/protein intake over the whole day seems to work best.

Good luck on your reboot and figuring out your maintenance plan!

HI,
I'm starting phase 4 on tuesday, just thinking about what you said about
figuring out what works for each person personally.
I'm alittle scared to change anything, p3 is great! No cravings and staying
pretty much the same weight. How much different did you feel p4 was when
you started?

Thanks for any advice from any of you here in the Maintainers
thread, I really appreciate it!!!:)

D

WingnutandMe
04-20-2013, 03:43 PM
Molly - Hope your trip goes smoothly. FYI - there is a lot of flooding in the southern part of MI right now. Sounds like they got a tremendous amount of rain this week, but woke up to a bit of snow again this morning.

Cindy and others following my traveling. I messed us up. I forgot (lose track of what day of the week it is being retired) and did not get to the office for vehicle registration. We will be gone when they are due, so I was going to do that. Now, we have to wait to leave until after I go on Monday morning. Bah humbug. Sooooooooo mad at myself as that puts us into possibly some bad weather on the last couple hundred miles of our trip on Tuesday. More rain and that doesn't sound good as Cindy was warning me about flooding down state Michigan.

Good to hear from Lizzr, Mama Zu and Patns. We miss you, and please, never be ashamed to join us. No one is perfect. Like pilots are always flying correcting the path they take, some times little corrections, some times big, we will all be doing the same on our journey and there's nothing wrong with it.

I am challenged right now with having cleaned out the refrigerator to not have perishable things that will either need to be taken or thrown out (gasp, I hate to waste). Adding another days worth of meals is tough. I did go to the store and picked up more asparagus for tonight. Tomorrow will be leftover salad. I'm out of bread for toast in the morning and finished my last lo-carb wrap. Seems like, my eating choices aren't as good right now as they should be trying to eat up stuff. I am ready to travel and get up to our place up in Michigan and get settled up there.

Okay, sorry about the me post. Just frustrated having been the one to AGAIN postpone our travels. Though one thing, I do prefer to NOT travel on the weekends, so there is one good thing about my mistake.

Molly

WingnutandMe
04-20-2013, 03:50 PM
HI,
I'm starting phase 4 on tuesday, just thinking about what you said about
figuring out what works for each person personally.
I'm alittle scared to change anything, p3 is great! No cravings and staying
pretty much the same weight. How much different did you feel p4 was when
you started?

Thanks for any advice from any of you here in the Maintainers
thread, I really appreciate it!!!:)

D

When I went to P4, I was very comfortable with P3 eating and stayed that way for a while until I mentally felt ready to add things into my menus, I find I've done that quite slowly and go back to the comfort of P3 quite often. Do what you're happy with. But makes sure you track your food, weigh yourself, and that way you'll know what is the right path and where you can go in the future. Also, never be afraid to come and ask questions or even talk about mistakes.

Molly

DRegan
04-20-2013, 03:53 PM
Thanks so much Molly!!

Sounds like a good plan!:)

D

New Englander
04-20-2013, 03:57 PM
Quick hello. I'm rebooting at 15 or so over... Like patns, my summer clothes do not fit...oops. Going to read more and get set to go. Day 2 of my reboot...

patns
04-20-2013, 04:02 PM
Thanks for the welcome back Molly. I am like that with food too, just don't want to waste anything. That leads to trouble if it is something not good for you. Are you planning on staying up north for a good stretch of time or do you have to go back to work on your place in the south?
I am trying to remember if you have an aci fryer. I think you do. If not someone else may chime in. I am thinking of buying one. When I looked at the reviews online someone said it gave off a strong plastic smell that went into the food. I have never read of anyone on this site mentioning that.

Momto2cs
04-20-2013, 04:39 PM
My workmate has one and loves it. I keep looking at them at the store....

WingnutandMe
04-20-2013, 05:15 PM
Thanks for the welcome back Molly. I am like that with food too, just don't want to waste anything. That leads to trouble if it is something not good for you. Are you planning on staying up north for a good stretch of time or do you have to go back to work on your place in the south?
I am trying to remember if you have an aci fryer. I think you do. If not someone else may chime in. I am thinking of buying one. When I looked at the reviews online someone said it gave off a strong plastic smell that went into the food. I have never read of anyone on this site mentioning that.

We are working on moving up to Michigan. With all our cars to haul up and combining two fully furnished places, it will probably take a year (and DH has already decided he's not working any faster than a year's time LOL). I retired at the first of the year, so we will stay up north for a couple months then come back long enough to sort through more things, pack them up, and haul that and another car up (a couple weeks, which will be enough of the hot, humid south). That process will happen over and over until we get the 5, 6 or ?? cars up there. He doesn't pay the bills and doesn't listen when I tell him we really can't afford the two places and need to get this one in Georgia sold. We'll go at his speed.

Yes, I have an actifry. In fact, that's one of the things we haul back and forth with us. Love that actifry. Never have had any smells or tastes, even when it was new. DH likes the 1 tbsp of oil french fries. They don't get quite as crisp, but he likes them. I have never tried even one as when I was making them, I was still on P1 (haven't made any lately). I made turnip and rutabaga fries and they turned out fantastic. I do want to try some sweet potato fries, but DH doesn't like sweet potatoes. My favorite is peppers and onions, and sausage or shrimp or I've even done lobster (cut the tails into bite-sized pieces). Mmmmm. There's an actifry recipe site, http://www.afrecipes.net/ that gives you lots of ideas and an actifry facebook page. I had an actifry recipe thread going one time, but it's probably 20 pages back by now.

Molly

scorbett1103
04-20-2013, 05:20 PM
HI,
I'm starting phase 4 on tuesday, just thinking about what you said about
figuring out what works for each person personally.
I'm alittle scared to change anything, p3 is great! No cravings and staying
pretty much the same weight. How much different did you feel p4 was when
you started?

Thanks for any advice from any of you here in the Maintainers
thread, I really appreciate it!!!:)

D

I just took it slow in the beginning of P4. I still do a P3 breakfast every day, at first I was just adding something little to my existing p2 lunches and dinners - some cheese or avocado at lunch on my salad, a sweet potato or a serving of rice at dinner. After a while I trusted that my body wasn't going to totally freak out and gain back 10 lbs :) I tracked (and still track) my calories every day on my fitness pal, so I never get mindless about what I'm eating. So far so good, I weigh myself every other day just to make sure I'm still under my "top" number....if I go over it, I know I can do a P1 day and keep things under control. The first couple of months of maintenance has been an exercise in trusting that the weight loss is real!

Quick hello. I'm rebooting at 15 or so over... Like patns, my summer clothes do not fit...oops. Going to read more and get set to go. Day 2 of my reboot...

Hang in there!

joysh
04-20-2013, 05:48 PM
Scorbett, I think that's the big issue here, at least for me. I'm so thrilled to have lost the weight that I'm hesitant to move to the maintenance phase. Of course, I still have one more week in P3 before I do so.

"Trusting that the weight loss is real" is a wonderful phrase.

I will probably do as you are doing and add just a bit to my P3 meals. Avocado, cheese, potato or sweet potato, maybe some brown rice... These are things that I will add. And it will be great to put carrots and string beans back into my salads!

Today I bagged another two giant bags of too-large clothing to make room for my new wardrobe. It's really strange to see those large articles of clothing. They always looked "regular" to me. Now they seem so big that I can hardly believe that I wore them!

The clothes that I now am wearing seem "regular" to me, although I know that one year ago I would never have though they would fit me! Life is strange and wonderful!

evepet
04-20-2013, 06:48 PM
Hi everyone. It's been an unseasonably cold, drizzly, and windy day here in my area. Went out doing errands today with my winter parka on... and needed the hood up at one point due to cold and wind. Thankfully, it's supposed to start warming up a bit tomorrow, with some sunshine! :cool:

OK - enough of the weather report....

I got a little carried away around 3pm today when I got back from errands... settled down on the couch to read a magazine I'd picked up, enjoy a cup of coffee and have a couple of little whole wheat mini pitas. But they were so deliciously fresh, that I had two more.... then I remembered what I was no doubt doing to my blood sugar levels - I'd scarfed down about 20g of carb, while nibbling away on 4 little pitas. :devil: So I sat down and logged in the nutritional details at FatSecret.com to help keep myself honest. It sometimes makes me laugh at myself to know that I could sit down and review in great detail almost precisely what I've eaten day by day for a year now. :) But doing this sure does keep me honest, and pulls me up before I drift too far in to a massive carb attack.

I got the idea while in the supermarket of picking up a couple of cans of Campbell's Light Chicken Noodle soup, draining the solids off, and blending some protein powder into the liquids. Then putting blended liquids/protein powder (with a little xanthan gum added) into a sauce pan, adding back the solids, and heating. The goal being to increase the protein level of the soup so it's a better balance of protein/carb/fat. I wasn't very hungry (probably because of my attack on the mini pitas) for dinner tonight, and so I did this. I ended up with a bowl of chicken noodle soup in a cream base, because of the whey protein. It seemed like a hardier, more filling bowl of soup - probably because of the added protein. The nutritional values were: Cals 118; Fat 3.4g; Sat Fat 0.9g; Carbs 7.3g; Fibre 1.3g; Sugar 2.8g; Protein 14.25g; Sodium 536mcg; Potassium 414mcg; Chol 34mcg. I ate that with a salad, and feel quite satisfied. A can of the soup is two servings, so I have half of it leftover, probably for lunch tomorrow or Monday. I can't help but wonder if I should be using protein powder to supplement my protein intake this way in Maintenance? But - It's just so handy!

Molly - Sorry for your travel delay, and the upset with your meal planning, etc. Hope you don't run into too much bad weather.

Joysh - Two things I'm doing consistently this time that I never did before when I finished a dieting stage, is that I still track everything I eat to the best of my ability - and I weigh myself every morning. The combination of seeing what the scale shows me, and being able to review my previous (and current) day's eating really helps me feel more in control. I've not yet gone over my ceiling, but on days that I'm almost there I curb back the carb intake. Not a P1 or even a P2 day necessarily, but just more restricted. I find I have many days where my calorie breakdowns %s from carbs/proteins/fat are relatively even. I'm not sure if this is the best combo - I think the Zone diet is based on this? I seem somehow to just end up this way fairly often. I'm only three weeks in, but so far it's working. But I know that a daily morning weigh-in and consistent logging of my food/drink intake is crucial for me. Otherwise it's just too easy to ignore what's really going on.

Patns - Welcome back!

New Englander - I've read a lot of your posts over the course of my year here at 3FatChicks. :) Welcome!

MaMaZu - Your trip sounds wonderful! Sorry about the foot though.

DRegan - I remember being awfully nervous about being in Maintenance too. But like the others, I've been taking it quite slow and just sampling some of the things I've been missing and adding in this and that on occasion. I'm just entering my 4th week of Maintenance, so obviously a newbie. But what I'm doing so far seems to be keeping me where I want to be weight-wise, so I figure I'll just continue on the same path.

My exercise routines have suffered this past week or so, due to the problems I was having with my lower back. Now that it seems to be more or less mended again, I've got to get back to my former routine. I think that one of the abdominal exercises I was doing on the Vibracize machine may have been bad for my back and will likely avoid it for a while.

Guess that's it for now. Cheers everyone.

DRegan
04-20-2013, 10:21 PM
Thanks everyone for your maintenance advice!!!

Did some long awaited shopping today! I'm down to size 4
pants, totally unbelievable to me! Could never get past the 8's.
By the way I'm very short,5'1" lol!! :dizzy:

So I will be very careful going into maintenance because I want
to wear my new pants(capris) for along time!!!! I got rid of alot
of old clothes, so no going back now!! My DD was very helpful
and encouraging. She's got 4 inches on me, thank God! I tell
her how lucky she is to be 5'5", she loves being taller than me,
teenagers!
Ok thanks again! Enjoy the rest of he weekend everyone!:hug:

D

bubbleblower
04-21-2013, 09:44 AM
Hi everyone! I've been away for most of the last week, and finished up P3 while I was gone. I've started adding in foods little by little (cheese, a couple of almonds, more varied salad dressings, red wine, a cracker or two) but was really nervous getting any more adventurous without a scale in sight. ;) So far I'm exactly the same as when I left so that's good news - although I do know that flight time can sometimes cause weight to get a bit wonky.

I'm still doing P3 breakfasts and am sticking close to what has become my norm for lunch and dinners, and also still using bars as snacks in the mid-afternoon.

One interesting situation from a dinner out with my DH and another couple with whom we are close friends. My friend was saying how good I looked and saying that I shouldn't lose any more. Then she asked how much I weighed. I have never, ever shared my weight with anyone, especially my DH. Well, before I knew it, the words were formed and my weight was out of my mouth. No hesitation whatsoever. It was kind of a shock to me that I could feel that there was nothing to be ashamed of regarding my weight, since it was "normal" for once! And I was sitting at a table with all thin people, where normally I'd be feeling like the chubby one. (I'm still heavier than my friend, who is about my height and weighs around 10-125, but I'm comfortable where I am.) Anyway, it just was interesting to me since I know that normally I would have provided an evasive answer, such as, "I'll tell you later on when we're not in mixed company" - and then probably would never have gotten around to telling.

Anyway, just wanted to say hi. I'm happy to finally be joining your ranks!

pocahontas812
04-21-2013, 10:34 AM
Started P3 this weekend....OMG, those breakfasts are so filling and a struggle to finish. Yesterday I wasn't at all hungry the rest of the day, but ate anyway as I know I need to stick to the P3 plan.

Scorbett--like Joy I love the "trusting the weight loss is real" phrase. I was shopping yesterday as I have no spring/summer clothes that fit, and left the mall with size small tops and size 4 pants...and even 1 pair of size 2 pants! I look at myself in the mirror and part of me understands how I lost the weight and believes that it's really gone, but another part of me is waiting to wake up and realize it was a really nice dream but I'm still overweight. Acceptance will come....

Bubble--I too now have no problem sharing my weight with people....I also am comfortable sharing how much total weight I lost and where I started from. I guess it's because when I look in the mirror I am really happy with what I see, and also I want people who are unhappy with their own weight to know that such a weight loss is possible and I am living proof.

Lizzy63
04-21-2013, 10:58 AM
DRegan - I think of maintenance as phase 3 with extras. I eat everything, including the big breakfasts I had in phase 3, plus snacks, an occasional sweet potato, whole grain dinner roll, nuts etc. I still make sure to get I the 4 cups of veggies. I was careful with adding things in at first, but I religiously track everything on MFP. Initially I continued to lose and kept adding things in until I found a calorie level where I could maintain. A typical day would be the full phase 3 menu plus a coupe of apples, a protein bar, whole grain roll with dinner, and yogurt with fruit in the evening. Good luck!

DRegan
04-21-2013, 12:51 PM
Thanks so much Lizzy!
Sounds like a good plan!
I wouldnt mind losing a couple more, but I feel good so we
will just see how things go.

D

Linden
04-22-2013, 01:05 AM
I'm not sure what prompted me to read the posts today. I do check back every month or so but haven't since I got back from Europe 6 weeks ago. I've stuck fairly close to goal but I'd pretty much decided to lose another 10 pounds when I got home and today, seeing so many great friends again. . . . Well, I sure would like the support.

Cheekyskeeter
04-22-2013, 06:33 AM
I too am basically doing phase 3 with some extras. I've gotten really used to eating what feels like so much for breakfast and now I love it. I've still been dropping a little bit but think that's because I've added in exercise.

I'm leaving this afternoon for Jamaica and can't wait!

What's been weird for me is since moving to maintenance I've had a bad headache the entire time.....I haven't suffered with them since my high blood pressure has gone away. I've checked it and I'm still in the normal range....very strange.

Oh and I too am now comfortable telling people my weight. I've never shared that with anyone before.....not even my twin sister.

joysh
04-22-2013, 09:41 AM
Did some long awaited shopping today! I'm down to size 4pants, totally unbelievable to me! Could never get past the 8's.
By the way I'm very short,5'1" lol!! :dizzy:

So I will be very careful going into maintenance because I want
to wear my new pants(capris) for along time!!!! I got rid of alot
of old clothes, so no going back now!! D

. I was shopping yesterday as I have no spring/summer clothes that fit, and left the mall with size small tops and size 4 pants...and even 1 pair of size 2 pants! I look at myself in the mirror and part of me understands how I lost the weight and believes that it's really gone, but another part of me is waiting to wake up and realize it was a really nice dream but I'm still overweight. Acceptance will come....I guess it's because when I look in the mirror I am really happy with what I see, and also I want people who are unhappy with their own weight to know that such a weight loss is possible and I am living proof.

Dregan and Poco, I, too, am amazed at the size I'm wearing! Sizes 4 andf 6 pants just surprise me! And yes, we are living proof that it is possible. I am also amazed at the whole journey. One year ago I was unhappy with the way I looked and was praying for a magical way to change that. I guess it was around now that I first heard of ip.

s. I was careful with adding things in at first, but I religiously track everything on MFP. Initially I continued to lose and kept adding things in until I found a calorie level where I could maintain. A typical day would be the full phase 3 menu plus a coupe of apples, a protein bar, whole grain roll with dinner, and yogurt with fruit in the evening. Good luck!

Lizzy, thanks for this.

Good morning everyone! Have a wonderful Monday!

Ishbel
04-22-2013, 09:56 AM
WOW HOPPIN' THREAD - L-O-V-E love LOVE it!

cheekyskeeter SOOOOO jealous of Jamaica! Beware the rum punch...:)

pocahontas812 Shopping is so much more fun now for me too! Sometimes...too much fun tee hee

Lizzy Way to make your maintenance rock....:)

patns :wave: if you hadn't of shown up this past weekend I'd have went looking for you. I was wondering where you went :)

evepet I'm with you on tracking...I know not everyone does but I do and still do. AND, I have said "ok missy, you ate it now you write it!" when I as avoiding writing it down lol

Lizz You are my hero!! :hug:

LINDEN I said "oooohhh" when I saw your name, HI!!! :wave: Welcome back...lots of support here! :)

maile Way to go on the pinch test...have you done measurements since your 1 year anni?

+++++

I'm hopeful that someone has gotten a hold of spring, they are saying +12 for this week. Of course they've said that almost everyday lately but hey...you always gotta have hope right? :)

evepet
04-22-2013, 11:15 AM
Good Day Maintaining I-Peeps. :)

Really enjoyed my pizza last night... small pizza, and my friend and I ate 2 pieces each, which finished it. It was good - but not as good as I remember. It's disappointing really to have a splurge fun day and look forward to eating something that just doesn't taste the way you remember. :devil:

This morning the scale for the first time does have me 1 lb over my ceiling. My sodium intake yesterday was outrageous, so I've no doubt I'm retaining water. Definitely bloaty today.

So it's a P1 day for me to get back under 150 lbs.

Other than that, all is 'business as usual' here.

Hope you all have a great day. Cheers for now.

greeniris
04-22-2013, 12:44 PM
Hi everyone - lunch time for me and thought I'd pop in while eating. Had a DUH moment after I popped my IP soup into the microwave and opened the fridge to get my veggies out...saw my leftover eggplant lasagna I brought for lunch today! Well, won't have to worry about bringing anything for lunch tomorrow now ~

patns - so good to hear from you again! Welcome back.

Linden - Welcome back to you too!!

evepet - I hear you re: the pizza not tasting as good as you remembered. But now you know and it will be that much easier to pass pizza up in the future.

I think Spring is finally moving this way - the 60's are actually in the forecast for a couple days this week! Most of the snow is gone and the sun is shining brightly today - Lovin' it! Will walk around the building a couple of times after the mail is delivered in a bit.

WI is tomorrow a.m. - down 6.5 lbs at home from WI 2 weeks ago. BUT, I still don't think I'm in ketosis! Very strange - still having cravings, hungry quite often (some is mental though, not physical), no energy, not sleeping well (VIP says I'm snoring to beat the band most nights :( Idk, guess as long as the up lbs are coming off that is what counts. Have a great afternoon!

Maile
04-23-2013, 08:03 AM
Cindy, Losing 6.5 pounds is great. I hope you start feeling better and get some rest. I am an eggplant lasagna fan and like to make it.

Evepet: There is no doubt that sodium can cause a gain due to water retention.
Pizza is loaded with it.

Thanks everyone for your support on my stats. I had not done the pinch BMI test for two years at my gym. In the last two years which includes one and one half year of maintenance, I have lost 15 pounds of weight, one percent of BMI to 23 and 2 percent of fat or 6 pounds...and 6 mm skinfolds.

Ishbel: Are you healthy and out of pain?

Joysh, Dreggan, Bubbleblower: have fun buying clothes in those small sizes!

Cheekyskeeter: Have a great trip to Jamaica. I would not tell people my weight either in past years.

So I went to out of town meetings yesterday. I drove so I could escape lunch. Just as I predicted,lunch was spaghetti with a lettuce only salad loaded with heavy dressing, and chocolate chip cookies. Then there is the candy on the tables and donuts with the coffee. I had a healthy lunch in the park.

Patns and New England: It is good to hear from you. Heaven knows how much money I have spent on getting new clothes because my current ones would not fit!!! I hope you both are having a great week.

Linden: welcome back. Have you left Germany?

It is still cold here also.

bubbleblower
04-23-2013, 08:14 AM
Good morning, everyone! Glad everyone is doing well!! I love coming to this thread and reading how everyone is doing.

I've been adding in food little by little and had my first avocados last night on a salad. They were good, but it's funny how many foods aren't tasting as great as I remember them! My appetite seems to be much more even these days, and even when I get hungry it seems to be much more manageable than in the past. I'm able to be a lot more patient and picky in terms of what I'll eat.

I still need to get back into a steady exercise routine, but that's tough to do right now with everything going on with packing and moving. I really need to start toning my legs, arms, and tummy back up - but at least my weight is staying stable.

Have a great day!

greeniris
04-23-2013, 10:15 AM
Good morning - just taking a couple minutes to share that I officially lost 7 lbs & 4 inches in the last 2 weeks! Whoot Whoot!!! Hopefully the next 2 weeks are as productive :D

Bubbleblower - I'm pretty sure packing and moving is quite a bit of exercise for you. May not be what you think you need, but you are burning lots of calories in the process.

patns
04-23-2013, 10:48 AM
I'm not sure what prompted me to read the posts today. I do check back every month or so but haven't since I got back from Europe 6 weeks ago. I've stuck fairly close to goal but I'd pretty much decided to lose another 10 pounds when I got home and today, seeing so many great friends again. . . . Well, I sure would like the support.


Wonderful to see you back! I have wondered what was going on with you for quite a while.
I am on the run as usual this morning but will pop back in later, just got so excited to see another familiar face.

Pat

Momto2cs
04-23-2013, 12:00 PM
Yes Linden! Welcome back!

scorbett1103
04-23-2013, 03:13 PM
Well I had planned on running this morning, but I took a Tabata core/cardio class yesterday at the gym and I was a pile of jellyfish this morning. If you've never heard of Tabata, it's interval training where you work really intensely for 20 seconds, rest for 10 doing 8 cycles of that. My YMCA offers a Tabata core class that focuses on core strength and cardio, so in an hour long class, we do one single exercise for the 8 cycles, rest for a minute, then do 8 cycles of another exercise, rinse and repeat. MUSH. I am complete mush. LOVE IT! :)

DRegan
04-23-2013, 05:05 PM
Well I had planned on running this morning, but I took a Tabata core/cardio class yesterday at the gym and I was a pile of jellyfish this morning. If you've never heard of Tabata, it's interval training where you work really intensely for 20 seconds, rest for 10 doing 8 cycles of that. My YMCA offers a Tabata core class that focuses on core strength and cardio, so in an hour long class, we do one single exercise for the 8 cycles, rest for a minute, then do 8 cycles of another exercise, rinse and repeat. MUSH. I am complete mush. LOVE IT! :)

Awesome! Good for you!
I've been doing Insanity for awhile,
It is insane!!!!
I can only do about 80% of it!
Some of it is just crazy! I'm almost
50, i cant do those plank jacks etc are not
gonna happen, I jog instead when I
can't do something, but I do feel great!,
Getting stronger!!!
Keep up the great work!

D

Momto2cs
04-23-2013, 05:51 PM
Tabata and insanity are both intense.
My current program wants us to do less cardio, so we only do 8 intervals of 30 second on 30 recovery. Twice a week.

The 3 weight lifting days the workout takes about an hour and is done in enough of a circuit style that you sweat.

Interestingly I have found by cutting back on my overall exercise I have leaned out more. I think I was overdoing it for a while.

capricious
04-23-2013, 06:41 PM
Good to see your names Patns & Linden...
I miss exercise... I've come to accept phase 1 and exercise do not mix well for me so I guess I'm going to have to settle for walking and gardening til then... But Zumba ' TRX and step are calling me. Loudly. And repetitively :(
Had a rough weekend as my FIL who has been in the hospital for cardiac issues has been told that while he is going to be discharged today after a 3 week stay he will need to stay on oxygen from this point on. My husband, myself and our 3 children made an abrupt trip to Calgary which is 3 hours away on Sunday and stayed at my in laws so my husband could be there to support.
Sorry for the me lost but I want to post & share. It has been a difficult time staying on track but so far I have.

Momto2cs
04-23-2013, 07:10 PM
Cap
Sorry things are so tough. You know,exercise will always be there when you are ready for it.
Gardening sounds good. I wish the snow would go away.

ABue1
04-23-2013, 08:38 PM
How many of you doing well in maintenance did the full 2 weeks of phase 2 and 3. I'm thinking of shortening them both and I'm wondering what the ramifications of that decision might be.

bubbleblower
04-23-2013, 09:26 PM
How many of you doing well in maintenance did the full 2 weeks of phase 2 and 3. I'm thinking of shortening them both and I'm wondering what the ramifications of that decision might be.

I'm relatively new to maintenance, but am finding it a piece of cake to maintain at this point.

I did at least 2 full weeks of P2 (actually a much longer period of combined P1 and P2) and a full 2 weeks on P3.

I think that easing back in is important.

joysh
04-23-2013, 09:31 PM
I'm relatively new to maintenance, but am finding it a piece of cake to maintain at this point.

I did at least 2 full weeks of P2 (actually a much longer period of combined P1 and P2) and a full 2 weeks on P3.

I think that easing back in is important.

Just saw my coach today. She gave me the maintenance papers! But I've got another half week on P3 and I think it will be another week before I really start maintenance because I'm going out of town this week and then have a performance on Tuesday evening. I'd rather do the extra few days on P4, then start the rest of my life.

P3 is just fine with me, but I know I'll be ready to have a bit of avocado pretty soon! You all are my inspiration, so I know it's possible.

evepet
04-23-2013, 09:43 PM
How many of you doing well in maintenance did the full 2 weeks of phase 2 and 3. I'm thinking of shortening them both and I'm wondering what the ramifications of that decision might be.

I've been without a coach for most of my dieting here, and had read that some folks are now being told to skip P2 and move directly to P3. So that's what I did. But I think it's essential to do the 2 full weeks on P3.

Looking back, I think having at least one week of P2 could be useful for getting used to re-incorporating 'normal' lunch protein rather than a packet. When you skip P2 entirely and go directly to P3 you have to plan the 'real protein' lunch as well as the P3 breakfast all at the same time. Which is do-able - but some people might prefer to tackle them one at a time.

So far so good on maintenance for me... but it's early days. I'm just beginning my 4th week on maintenance.

cbl70
04-23-2013, 10:00 PM
I doing very well 5 months into maintenance. My phaseout did include 2 full weeks each on Phases 2 and 3. Personally I think both phases were important. I've often thought that the entire IP program was "training for maintenance". So doing two full weeks in both Phase 2 and 3 was just additional training. I'd recommend it.

Beck81
04-24-2013, 12:07 AM
Hi everyone. I just realized that today is my one year anniversary of starting the IP diet. I can't believe it has been a year. And a good one! I reached my goal the beginning of the year and maintenance is going well.

I am doing a recipe class tomorrow for my clinic. I'll tell you all more about it after tomorrow. I need to get to sleep so I can get up early to make some of the recipes, go to work for awhile and come back home to finish and then do the class. Wish me luck, I'm going to be nervous!

joysh
04-24-2013, 01:23 AM
Happy IP Anniversary, Beck! Wow, 109 pounds! That's impressive! But the months on maintenance are also impressive!

gazelle
04-24-2013, 07:51 AM
How many of you doing well in maintenance did the full 2 weeks of phase 2 and 3. I'm thinking of shortening them both and I'm wondering what the ramifications of that decision might be.

I actually did a prolonged P2 (about a month) and 2 full weeks of P3. I think that it has helped me not only physically to ease back in to maintenance eating, but also mentally. Maintenance is difficult. It is still a constant day to day process of figuring out what works. Having that structure for a little longer really helped me. I still stick to mostly a P2/P3 way of eating with added in extras like nuts, avocado, wine on the weekends, etc. I would encourage you to do the full phase off, if only because your "normal" way of eating is going to be very different from before the diet!

gazelle
04-24-2013, 07:52 AM
Hi everyone. I just realized that today is my one year anniversary of starting the IP diet. I can't believe it has been a year. And a good one! I reached my goal the beginning of the year and maintenance is going well.

I am doing a recipe class tomorrow for my clinic. I'll tell you all more about it after tomorrow. I need to get to sleep so I can get up early to make some of the recipes, go to work for awhile and come back home to finish and then do the class. Wish me luck, I'm going to be nervous!

Congrats!! You have accomplished so much and have alot to be proud of!!! And Good luck!

DRegan
04-24-2013, 07:55 AM
Hi everyone. I just realized that today is my one year anniversary of starting the IP diet. I can't believe it has been a year. And a good one! I reached my goal the beginning of the year and maintenance is going well.

I am doing a recipe class tomorrow for my clinic. I'll tell you all more about it after tomorrow. I need to get to sleep so I can get up early to make some of the recipes, go to work for awhile and come back home to finish and then do the class. Wish me luck, I'm going to be nervous!

Wow congrats!!! :carrot:

Todays my 2nd day of P4, woohooo!!!
Just taking it very slow, added alittle cheese(which i missed so much)
to my salad at lunch, was great!! Still sticking to veggies and protein at
dinner, gonna give it a few days before I had a carb to my dinner, maybe
this weekend. Gonna monitor the scale daily see if anything changes.
I fell in love with protidiet vanilla shake with couple drops of almond extract and cinnamon, like a milkshake! No deprived feeling here at all!! YUM!

One day at a time!! Thanks for all the good advice and support!

Have a great day everyone!:hug:

D:)

scorbett1103
04-24-2013, 09:12 AM
How many of you doing well in maintenance did the full 2 weeks of phase 2 and 3. I'm thinking of shortening them both and I'm wondering what the ramifications of that decision might be.

P2 can be shortened, but P3 needs to be 2 weeks. I did a shortened P2 (about a week), by the time I got to the end of the first week of P2 my digestive system was handling the extra food well and I felt mentally ready to move forward. I had also been spending time at the end of P1 thinking and planning how I would handle maintenance eating so that didn't sneak up on me.

Hi everyone. I just realized that today is my one year anniversary of starting the IP diet. I can't believe it has been a year. And a good one! I reached my goal the beginning of the year and maintenance is going well.

I am doing a recipe class tomorrow for my clinic. I'll tell you all more about it after tomorrow. I need to get to sleep so I can get up early to make some of the recipes, go to work for awhile and come back home to finish and then do the class. Wish me luck, I'm going to be nervous!

Congrats on one year!!! And knock 'em dead in the class!

Ishbel
04-24-2013, 09:53 AM
ABue1 I did a full two weeks of both phases. I know my clinic lets you do 1 week of Phase 2 and still insists on 2 weeks of Phase 3. I know others here have jumped right onto Phase 3 but my coach still wants both phases.

evepet I'm with you on the pizza, when I had my 'first' taste in maintenance I was like "meh", which surprised me and pleased me at the same time :)

Beck A "recipe" class sounds interesting, can't wait to hear more about it.

bubbleblower I'm with you on the hunger, it's there but not like it used to be. I do get hungry...and some days I want to chew my arm off but usually that's around 1130 and I think about my mom and what she used to say when I was a kid "you can wait, it's not long till lunch time" :) I remind myself "You're suppose to be hungry around noon if you eat on a schedule that allows a meal at noon."

scorbette I've never heard of Tabata, I don't think it's offered around...might have to keep my eyes open.

maile The wound that I had takes a long time to heal :/ there is no pain anymore but I'm in sneakers everyday trying to keep it that way. Thanks for asking, I'm trying not to whine as much as I was before LOL :D

Hope everyone has a great day!

Momto2cs
04-24-2013, 11:31 AM
I never did phase 3 or 4. I slowly transitioned to a low carb diet, eating p2 ish week days and more lenient weekends. I now eat protein veggies and fat at every meal or snack. I have never really reintroduced gains, etc except as occasional treats.

scorbett1103
04-24-2013, 11:36 AM
I should add that my maintenance plan includes moderate exercise, and I planned accordingly. Some exercise a little, some a lot - your personal maintenance plan should take into account not just how you want to eat, but how exercise will play a role in your long-term weight loss. I chose a final weight that was maybe not as low as I could have gone, but it was a weight I knew I could maintain at an activity level I was willing to commit to. Any lower and I'd have had to incorporate more exercise than I've got time for right now :)

Lynnie63
04-24-2013, 01:31 PM
How many of you doing well in maintenance did the full 2 weeks of phase 2 and 3. I'm thinking of shortening them both and I'm wondering what the ramifications of that decision might be.

I'm just finishing up my first week on P2 and trying to decide when to go to P3. I might start this weekend. I think it's a good thing to do 2 weeks of P3.

I've already had a trial on P3 when I phased off for a cruise in Feb, but I stuck with the packets for lunch, so it wasnt a true P3.

Hi everyone. I just realized that today is my one year anniversary of starting the IP diet. I can't believe it has been a year. And a good one! I reached my goal the beginning of the year and maintenance is going well.

I am doing a recipe class tomorrow for my clinic. I'll tell you all more about it after tomorrow. I need to get to sleep so I can get up early to make some of the recipes, go to work for awhile and come back home to finish and then do the class. Wish me luck, I'm going to be nervous!

Congratulations!!

Good luck with the class! I wish my clinic would do recipe's or a class or something for those of us on / going into maintenance. Be sure to let us all know how it goes.

evepet
04-24-2013, 06:23 PM
Hi everyone!

Just a very quick post to say that since I'd snuck up slightly over my maintenance weight ceiling (no doubt water retention due to the sodium in Sunday's pizza) I've done a couple of P1-P2 eating-style days. I'm really pleased to see that my weight had dropped back down (about 1.5lbs) into an acceptable 'under ceiling' level this morning. It works! :)

Lizzy63
04-24-2013, 07:47 PM
How many of you doing well in maintenance did the full 2 weeks of phase 2 and 3. I'm thinking of shortening them both and I'm wondering what the ramifications of that decision might be.

Like Evepet, I skipped phase 2, but did 2 full weeks of phase 3. No problems with that approach, though I have heard some say they need to reintroduce more food slowly... I've always had a cast iron stomach - didn't bother my tummy a bit!

Of course, by that time I'd been dreaming about phase 3 breakfasts for quite a while... :)

Maile
04-25-2013, 09:15 AM
Evepet: Great going and getting down.

Lizzy63: I also have a strong stomach and may not follow everything as planned.

Ishbel: I am glad you are healing.

Scorbette: That was interesting about choosing a weight that fit your workout plan.

I thought this was though provoking for you Beck Fans.(Not written by me.)

Here is Judith Beck’s take (from her blog (I also highly recommend, you can get her free newsletter there) at www.beckdietsolution.co
m/diet-solution-blog/ ):
“[the] concept of ‘ideal weight’ – it’s the weight that you get down to when you’re eating and exercising in a healthy way that you can maintain. Now this weight may not the weight of your thinnest friend, it may not be the weight you were at in college, and it almost definitely isn’t the weight of the celebrities we see on television. In our minds, your ideal weight is the weight that you can get down to and stay at, not the weight that you can get down to, then gain some weight back, then work on losing it again, then gaining it back again. We just don’t believe that it’s worth getting down to a weight that you ultimately can’t maintain (by either exercising or eating in a way that is not sustainable) because you’ll just gain it back and then feel very discouraged.”

My note:

This is exactly what I’ve been experiencing. Though I can get to 120 or less when I’m obsessively focused on it, it’s not sustainable because it takes too much restriction.

She then goes on to say, “It’s also important to know that most people, when they lose weight, get down to what we call their lowest achievable weight. However, most people don’t stay there! They eventually end up relaxing their habits just a bit and gaining a few pounds back and end up leveling off at we call their lowest maintainable weight. Their lowest achievable weight is probably not their lowest maintainable weight because it would require intense focus on their eating and exercise.”

My note:

Yes, when I’m at 120, I have to focus intensely. I’ve was there when I got married, and for a few weeks each year, but never for a long period of time. I’ve never been able to maintain it.

Finally Beck gives very practical ways to learn to accept ourselves at this lowest maintainable weight, which for me, isn’t the weight I’ve been telling myself I should weigh:

She says, “… you [don’t] have to be at all unhappy with where you are now. In fact, you should be extremely proud of yourself for the weight you did lose and for all of the hard work and dedication you put into it. Instead of focusing on the 10 pounds you didn’t lose, think instead about all of the weight you did lose. Even if you’re not quite at the weight you wanted to get down to starting out, think about…Do you feel better about yourself?...”

She continues, “You can also ask yourself: How would my life really be different if I lost another 10 pounds? Would the differences be so significant? Is it possible that I’m already experiencing many of the things I wanted to achieve, even though the number on the scale isn’t what I initially had in mind? It sounds like it may be worth working on changing your concept of your own ideal weight, feeling proud about where you are, and move forward appreciating all the wonderful changes that have come about as a result of losing weight."

Momto2cs
04-25-2013, 09:55 AM
Maile
That is an excellent post. It rings so true for me. 145 was my lowest achievable weight. 150 is probably my low maintainable weight. I continue to put a significant amount of effort into getting back to 145. I expect not one person except me will notice the difference, unless I show you my bikini pictures. Even then...

I am going to print this out and think about it more over this year. I would really like to find some more satisfaction in my weight and body image by the end of the year.

Thank you!

Anne

swerdna59
04-25-2013, 11:27 AM
I agree, Maile and Anne. I got down to almost 140 at one point but settled at 145 and was able to maintain it until I started relaxing my eating habits...I gained about 5 pounds so up to 150 which isn't unreasonable for my height of 5'10". However, I have spent the past 3-4 months or so bouncing up and down from 145-150. I am wondering if I need to rethink my sustainable, maintainable weight?! Hmmm. Like Anne, I don't think it makes a big difference in how I look to others...except that my clothes are a tad too tight and I would probably need to go up a size to feel more comfortable in them, not all of them, depends upon the style and cut. I am going to see what happens over the next few months, spring and summer are always easier times for me in terms of more exercise (longer and warmer days=going outside to run which is much more appealing to me than the treadmill or exercise DVD's) and because I teach online in the summer and don't have to get to campus, my days are much easier to manage especially in terms of what I eat.

I don't have a very strong stomach and sometimes my whacked eating means my system is all messed up--not fun.

I do know I feel better when I eat more restricted=limiting the carbs.

I need to find a better balancing act and quit the extremes of being so restrictive and then going crazy.

Lynnie63
04-25-2013, 01:14 PM
Hi

Just popping in to ask a quick question - starting my 2nd week of P2 today, I realized I forgot my meat, so I had a packet - should I have meat for dinner and snack tonight or just for dinner & my packet for snack? I'm not sure how to handle it.

scorbett1103
04-25-2013, 01:16 PM
Hi

Just popping in to ask a quick question - starting my 2nd week of P2 today, I realized I forgot my meat, so I had a packet - should I have meat for dinner and snack tonight or just for dinner & my packet for snack? I'm not sure how to handle it.

P1 and P2 are very close both in nutrition and calories - I would just finish your day as normal. If you find that you're hungry at your evening snack, have a little extra protein then (maybe a HB egg), and just make sure you get all your veggies in.

Ishbel
04-25-2013, 01:35 PM
maile Thanks for posting that, I didn't see that one. Her thoughts and website and book have definately been a godsend to me.

I picked my goal weight because I watched my mom struggle hard with a lower weight. I got the stink eye when I suggested she move up 5 lbs lol. I think I could go lower but I'm comfortable with who I see in the mirror and happy with the daily choices afforded to me. I still have a mental struggle but if I was 20 lbs lighter there would be more stress I know. I also wanted to take in consideration my biological make up, I was 140 lbs over weight...I need to factor that into my ultimate goal weight. At 160 between an 10-8 and sometimes a 6....I'm in a much better place then I have ever been.

She makes very terrific points! Thanks for sharing. :)

*wave* to everyone....off to TOPS PRD this weekend, going to make a speech...here's hoping I'll get through it without getting emotional! :/

Lynnie63
04-25-2013, 01:45 PM
P1 and P2 are very close both in nutrition and calories - I would just finish your day as normal. If you find that you're hungry at your evening snack, have a little extra protein then (maybe a HB egg), and just make sure you get all your veggies in.

Thanks Scorbett - you're always so helpfull and full of ides and insparation.

i'm very exceited to move to P3 - those breakfasts are yummy - i got hooked on the cranbery custard, need to see if I can find some cranberries, I tried it with blueberries, but it didnt turn out well at all - too much water I think. I think I might go shopping for P3 food on Friday night and start on Saturday, that will be about a week and a half of P2. I will stay on P3 for the full two weeks. I think that's important.

joysh
04-25-2013, 11:28 PM
ď[the] concept of Ďideal weightí Ė itís the weight that you get down to when youíre eating and exercising in a healthy way that you can maintain...In our minds, your ideal weight is the weight that you can get down to and stay at, not the weight that you can get down to, then gain some weight back, then work on losing it again, then gaining it back again...


This was such an interesting post, Maile. Thanks for posting it! I'm going to think about this one.

All is well with me! Still on P3. I'll stay on P3 through the weekend and probably through Tuesday. Some time next week I'll move to P4. I'm almost ready and by then it will be almost 3 weeks on P3 and time to move on. It's very exciting!

Maile
04-26-2013, 08:57 AM
I am glad people here liked the post. I love the attainable verses maintainable weight. I am also interested in it as I have gained muscle weight, but do not know exactly how much..so I changed my goal weight up two pounds. Do I want to be very thin and not muscled..or thin with muscles. I am choosing the later. I am still learning but liked her realistic insights.

Here is an interesting view of how women see their bodies: The Dove Beauty Sketches.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=
XpaOjMXyJGk

Momto2cs
04-26-2013, 04:51 PM
That video is unsettling, but great.
I also have quite a bit of muscle. My bodyfat is at aroun 18%.
At one point my goal weight was 140. To get there I seriously think I would have to stop exercising and sacrifice muscle. And what would that prove?!

Lizzy63
04-26-2013, 07:24 PM
Great info, Maile! I couldn't agree more. Having been at 130 ten to fifteen years ago, I knew that wasn't maintainable for me. (I was at 200+ when I started IP, so I clearly did not maintain!)

Gave it a lot of thought and settled on a higher weight and I am having a much easier time maintaining! I do not feel deprived.

Hope you all have a wonderful weekend!

evepet
04-26-2013, 10:22 PM
I love the discussion about maintainable weight levels. ITA with the points made. I weighed around 125-135 from my teen to 30s. Then started gaining a few lbs, and doing the yo-yo thing. Got down to around 140 during my early 40s and maintained for a while... then it started creeping up again. Got down to 148 10 yrs ago... and it crept up again. Reached my highest in early 2012 at 209 lbs, which is what I weighed when I started the IP protocol. I'd have real difficulties maintaining anywere close to 130 - and my Dr. definitely didn't recommend anything below where I am. I knew I'd felt and looked good 10 yrs ago around the 150lb mark, and decided to aim for that again. I'm finding it relatively easy to maintain at this level (although admittedly it's early days). I do think it would be a lot harder and more stressful if I'd tried to go lower though. Plus, I'm already quite bony and lean through most of my body at this weight. The only extra fat I have on me is through the stomach, and I keep reading that it's normal for menopausal women. I wouldn't mind toning and reducing still a bit through the tummy, but don't know how to 'spot reduce' --- is there even such a thing?
----

Had a splurge on frozen greek yogourt tonight - key lime. Yum. Even with a considerable yogurt splurge, I still only had about 1800 cals today - the rest of the day was pretty low carb, and (accidentally) pretty much a P2 type of eating day. It was just what I had at hand to eat. Did my vibracize this am before work, and got some walking in by going to the local supermarket to see if I could find frozen greek yogourt. Had a nice 40 minute walk, to the store and back. So I 'sort of' earned my yogourt. :) Plus we finally got some spring-like weather today, so I really enjoyed being outside.

Have a good weekend everyone. Cheers for now.

Maile
04-27-2013, 08:44 AM
Evepet: My pinch test was fine on the legs and arms, not so tight on the stomach! I think the idea of finding a maintainable weight makes sense and seems to be working for you as well as others.

Momsto2cs: It is so helpful to have your input. I am impressed with that 18 percent lean muscle. That is amazing. I agree with you..keep fit with the muscles and exercising. I found that video to be fascinating but depressing also. Women can be very critical of their bodies..I was amazed at the drawing ability of the artist.

Lizzy63: I agree with you. Find a weight that you can maintain and not feel deprived. That could be a key to maintenance.

Off to clean the house as my son is coming in for a visit. Have a great weekend everyone.

Beck81
04-27-2013, 04:26 PM
Hi everyone. I did my recipe class the other night. Some people backed out so it wasn't a very big group but that was ok. I had probably 25 pages of recipes to hand out and gave the clinic extra copies. I made chocolate zucchini muffins with chocoolate,caramel, pb frosting, lemon muffins with lemon frosting, apple bars with caramel, apple butter frosting, chocolate bark, rhubarb jello and took some sliced jicama. They loved it and they were excited about the recipes. I gave them other tips about the diet and it felt good sharing my knowledge. I live in a small community so most people know me and that I have lost weight. Another good incentive to keep it off.

Maile, thank you for your info on maintainable weight. Great discussions on it.

Lynnie and Joysh, good luck heading into maintenance! And hi to everyone else!

EPAPRN
04-28-2013, 07:13 AM
Hi Maintainers,

I need some advice and thoughts. You probably don't remember, but I was on P1 since last July until February 10, when I found out I was pregnant. I had lost 60 lbs in that time and was 10-15 from my goal when I had to phase off. I had an early miscarriage at 7 weeks, and when I went back to my coach at that time, I expressed that I wanted to try to go back to P1 to get the rest of the weight off.

She did not want me to do that because 1) my hormones were all over the place from the m/c and 2) we were going to start trying to get pg ASAP. 3) i wanted to get into a regular exercise routine. plus, She said something about my lipoprotein lipase levels 'coming down' for the next 6 months on maintenance and I shouldn't restart P1 and get them elevated again. Plus she was concerned that I would get pg again quickly and have to phase off quickly.

Fast forward to this month, 2 months post m/c: I have gained back about 6-7 lbs, so I am 20 lbs above my goal weight on maintenence, and I am not pg yet.

I feel like had I gone back on P1 soon after, I would probably be at or near my goal, instead of obsessively worrying about my weight gain and navigating maintenance. I don't feel like maintenance is that difficult, but I have gained some weight back and some of my size 8's that fit a couple of months ago are too tight to wear comfortably.

So, I see her on Tuesday for weigh in...and I am debating telling her I am going to go back to P1 despite her recommendations. I like her as a coach, I like the whole clinic - they were the first clinic in CT 6-7 years ago to bring IP and they are 'old school' and do things by the book, the correct IP way, unlike so many other clinics I hear about.

I mean, who knows if or when I will get pg again??

What do you guys think?

DRegan
04-28-2013, 08:01 AM
Hi Maintainers,

Almost finished with my first week on P4, Just added little things to
my meals and had a peice of fruit here and there, so yummy. The scale
is cooperating so far, feel good! yeah!

Wondering if anyone takes or has any info on Collegan supplements?
Heard theyre good for our skin and joints. Almost 50 here and I do sometimes
have achy knees after workouts and some sagging skin since the weight loss.

Any feedback would be great! :)
thanks,

D

greeniris
04-28-2013, 09:27 AM
Hi everyone. I did my recipe class the other night. Some people backed out so it wasn't a very big group but that was ok. I had probably 25 pages of recipes to hand out and gave the clinic extra copies. I made chocolate zucchini muffins with chocoolate,caramel, pb frosting, lemon muffins with lemon frosting, apple bars with caramel, apple butter frosting, chocolate bark, rhubarb jello and took some sliced jicama. They loved it and they were excited about the recipes. I gave them other tips about the diet and it felt good sharing my knowledge. I live in a small community so most people know me and that I have lost weight. Another good incentive to keep it off.


Hi Beck - so glad your class went well. Those that did show up will really benefit from the info & recipes you shared with them. Great job! Oh, and happy belated anniversary on IP! You're a fantastic role model!

Hi Maintainers,

I need some advice and thoughts. You probably don't remember, but I was on P1 since last July until February 10, when I found out I was pregnant. I had lost 60 lbs in that time and was 10-15 from my goal when I had to phase off. I had an early miscarriage at 7 weeks, and when I went back to my coach at that time, I expressed that I wanted to try to go back to P1 to get the rest of the weight off.

She did not want me to do that because 1) my hormones were all over the place from the m/c and 2) we were going to start trying to get pg ASAP. 3) i wanted to get into a regular exercise routine. plus, She said something about my lipoprotein lipase levels 'coming down' for the next 6 months on maintenance and I shouldn't restart P1 and get them elevated again. Plus she was concerned that I would get pg again quickly and have to phase off quickly.

Fast forward to this month, 2 months post m/c: I have gained back about 6-7 lbs, so I am 20 lbs above my goal weight on maintenence, and I am not pg yet.

I feel like had I gone back on P1 soon after, I would probably be at or near my goal, instead of obsessively worrying about my weight gain and navigating maintenance. I don't feel like maintenance is that difficult, but I have gained some weight back and some of my size 8's that fit a couple of months ago are too tight to wear comfortably.

So, I see her on Tuesday for weigh in...and I am debating telling her I am going to go back to P1 despite her recommendations. I like her as a coach, I like the whole clinic - they were the first clinic in CT 6-7 years ago to bring IP and they are 'old school' and do things by the book, the correct IP way, unlike so many other clinics I hear about.

I mean, who knows if or when I will get pg again??

What do you guys think?
I just want to say I'm so sorry about your m/c. I don't feel qualified to answer your questions re: going back on P1 while trying to get pregnant right away, but want to send you ((HUGS)). Good luck.

Hi Maintainers,

Almost finished with my first week on P4, Just added little things to
my meals and had a peice of fruit here and there, so yummy. The scale
is cooperating so far, feel good! yeah!

Wondering if anyone takes or has any info on Collegan supplements?
Heard theyre good for our skin and joints. Almost 50 here and I do sometimes
have achy knees after workouts and some sagging skin since the weight loss.

Any feedback would be great! :)
thanks,

D
Your Collagen question has me thinking...I ran out of it a couple weeks ago and since then my hips have begun aching more. Haven't noticed any difference in my skin though. Think I'll get a new bottle this week and see if I notice any difference after taking it again. Will try to let you know in a couple weeks. I did take it through most of P1 until recently and don't have too much saggy skin after losing 60 lbs, so maybe it did help with that.

maile - love the Beck info you share and the responses from everyone. I'm going to subscribe to her blog today.

Hope everyone is having a good weekend. This last week has been hard for me, and haven't found the time to post much. P1 went out the window a couple of days. Fortunately when I weighed myself yesterday a.m., I hadn't gained anything, but hadn't lost any either, since official WI last Tuesday. Today is a new day, and will be very busy working around the house & garage, so hopefully the #s will start dropping again.

Yesterday we went to a funeral...the 56 yr old wife of VIPs best friend. She had breast cancer 20 yrs ago and beat it, but it came back a few months ago with a vengeance. I'd just like to say that I feel it is so very important to live life to the fullest, and be sure to tell those closest to you how much you love them often. So, even though we all don't know each other personally, I value this community, the support, and the friendships found here very much. Thank you to each one of you. :hug:

Lizzy63
04-28-2013, 09:32 AM
Hi Maintainers,

I need some advice and thoughts. You probably don't remember, but I was on P1 since last July until February 10, when I found out I was pregnant. I had lost 60 lbs in that time and was 10-15 from my goal when I had to phase off. I had an early miscarriage at 7 weeks, and when I went back to my coach at that time, I expressed that I wanted to try to go back to P1 to get the rest of the weight off.

She did not want me to do that because 1) my hormones were all over the place from the m/c and 2) we were going to start trying to get pg ASAP. 3) i wanted to get into a regular exercise routine. plus, She said something about my lipoprotein lipase levels 'coming down' for the next 6 months on maintenance and I shouldn't restart P1 and get them elevated again. Plus she was concerned that I would get pg again quickly and have to phase off quickly.

Fast forward to this month, 2 months post m/c: I have gained back about 6-7 lbs, so I am 20 lbs above my goal weight on maintenence, and I am not pg yet.

I feel like had I gone back on P1 soon after, I would probably be at or near my goal, instead of obsessively worrying about my weight gain and navigating maintenance. I don't feel like maintenance is that difficult, but I have gained some weight back and some of my size 8's that fit a couple of months ago are too tight to wear comfortably.

So, I see her on Tuesday for weigh in...and I am debating telling her I am going to go back to P1 despite her recommendations. I like her as a coach, I like the whole clinic - they were the first clinic in CT 6-7 years ago to bring IP and they are 'old school' and do things by the book, the correct IP way, unlike so many other clinics I hear about.

I mean, who knows if or when I will get pg again??

What do you guys think?

So sorry about your miscarriage! :hug:

I am past that point in life, but I would talk to my physician, since it sounds like you are still trying to conceive. Of course you want a healthy baby and IP is not a balanced diet. Maybe he or she could suggest other options that would allow you to lose or maintain and better support a pregnancy.

patns
04-28-2013, 02:03 PM
Hi Maintainers,

I need some advice and thoughts. You probably don't remember, but I was on P1 since last July until February 10, when I found out I was pregnant. I had lost 60 lbs in that time and was 10-15 from my goal when I had to phase off. I had an early miscarriage at 7 weeks, and when I went back to my coach at that time, I expressed that I wanted to try to go back to P1 to get the rest of the weight off.

She did not want me to do that because 1) my hormones were all over the place from the m/c and 2) we were going to start trying to get pg ASAP. 3) i wanted to get into a regular exercise routine. plus, She said something about my lipoprotein lipase levels 'coming down' for the next 6 months on maintenance and I shouldn't restart P1 and get them elevated again. Plus she was concerned that I would get pg again quickly and have to phase off quickly.

Fast forward to this month, 2 months post m/c: I have gained back about 6-7 lbs, so I am 20 lbs above my goal weight on maintenence, and I am not pg yet.

I feel like had I gone back on P1 soon after, I would probably be at or near my goal, instead of obsessively worrying about my weight gain and navigating maintenance. I don't feel like maintenance is that difficult, but I have gained some weight back and some of my size 8's that fit a couple of months ago are too tight to wear comfortably.

So, I see her on Tuesday for weigh in...and I am debating telling her I am going to go back to P1 despite her recommendations. I like her as a coach, I like the whole clinic - they were the first clinic in CT 6-7 years ago to bring IP and they are 'old school' and do things by the book, the correct IP way, unlike so many other clinics I hear about.

I mean, who knows if or when I will get pg again??

What do you guys think?

I am not an expert on this either. I am sorry for your experience, I know that is very difficult.

As for going back on P1 right away I would do it now. You are past the stage where your hormones are disrupted from your mis-carrage and you don't know how long it will take you to conceive again. I think it would be best for
you to get in the best physical shape before you get pregnant.

I went through the same experience many years and I remember that my doctor was concerned when I became pregnant again very quickly. But that pregnancy went through with no problems.
But as other said, your doctor would know best.

Momto2cs
04-28-2013, 06:15 PM
I had a miscarriage between my kid. Such a sad experience...sorry you had to deal with this
I would revert to phase 1. If you get pregnant GREAT

Maile
04-28-2013, 07:09 PM
Epap: I was so sorry to hear about your miscarriage. I would go on Phase 1, but would probably call the doctor's office and ask if he/she had any concerns about IP and getting pregnant. I hope you get pregnant soon. Hugs.
Momto2cs and Patns: I was sorry to hear about your experiences. I am so happy that your next ones turned out well.

Cindy: It is too bad that you had a hard week. Hopefully this week will be better for you. Yes, I also value the support here. You are right about life being precious.I am sorry about your friend's wife.

Beck: You presentation was a success! How fun to give people new recipes. I am a recipe addict and am always taking pictures of new recipes with my phone.

Dregan: I never took the collagen pills. I have found that after a year my loose skin toned up with exercise..although not all of it.

Hi to Lizzy63. Hope your weekend is going well.

DRegan
04-28-2013, 08:40 PM
Epaprn,
Sorry so for your loss. Hope you will
get pregnant soon!
I would probably run it by your Dr,
I know my TOM became irregular when
on p1, might make getting pregnant
a tad harder.
Best wishes to you!

D

patns
04-28-2013, 11:30 PM
Epaprn,
Sorry so for your loss. Hope you will
get pregnant soon!
I would probably run it by your Dr,
I know my TOM became irregular when
on p1, might make getting pregnant
a tad harder.
Best wishes to you!

D


That is a valid point I didn't think of.

Ishbel
04-29-2013, 09:45 AM
Beck Sounds like a class I would have joined!

greeniris I'm sorry about your friend :/ :hug:

Epaprn I'm sorry, I have nothing for you. I was told to be very careful on Phase 1 because it equalizes your hormones and you can get pregnant very easily. If it were me, I'd probably make sure my doc knew and jump back onto Phase 1. Just my humble opinion though. I do want to hug you! :hug:

+++++++++++

I went to TOPS Provincial Recognition Days this weekend. VERY VERY uplifting and inspiring. I was the provincial runner up for weight loss and the lady who lost 13 lbs more then me was FANTASTIC. She has MS and lost all her weight in a wheel chair doing upper body excersises. WHOA!! Very cool!!!

Another lady, who weighed over 500 lbs at one point in her lift has lost over 250 so far. My favorite line from her speech was "do you don't have to like it, you just have to do it". It's on my fridge at home. :D

ALSO, there was a lady who has maintained her weight loss for 41 years!!! (!!!!!) She has gone down to TOPS Headquarters in Milwaukee. She said she found her name for her 25 year maintenance award listed on a flag down there. That it was small but she found it. I told her I could work for that...to see my name listed on a flag would be a good enough goal for long term. :)

It was SO awesome!!! What a weekend to gain more determination for a lifetime.

Lizzy63
04-29-2013, 05:08 PM
Hi, all! A few secs to share quickly and then off to baseball games - 2 grandsons playing tonight...

Went to my doctor today and she told me to completely stop my cholesterol meds and cut my BP meds in half. This is what I've been waiting for since starting IP in July!! :D

Lill91210
04-29-2013, 06:03 PM
Hey my fellow ip peeps!
I'm entering phase 3 On Thursday so I'm studying up on phase 4 and they say after your cheat days you do a modified phase 1 day. Do you guys use the ip products or your own food? If you use you own food may I have some examples please :)

EPAPRN
04-29-2013, 06:30 PM
My coach and clinic taught me that you can do a 'clean' day after a cheat day...basically, IP non restricted foods or alternatives, and/or lean protein and non restricted veggies. My coach said I could also do FF plain Greek yogurt or 2% cottage cheese, LF string cheese as well.

For my clean day, I usually do eggs/egg whites and veggie scramble for breakfast, lean protein and veggies for lunch and dinner, snacks would be some FF Greek yogurt with a dash of stevia or SF torani syrup or an IP chocolate drink.

EPAPRN
04-29-2013, 06:34 PM
Thanks for the thoughts and advice everyone re: my m/c and wanting to go back on P1. I emailed my coach my fitness pal journal for the week and she emailed me back that she found some things I could change...will speak in person tomorrow.

I started the diet in order to lose weight to get pg, and once I lost about 1/2 my goal weight, we started really 'trying'...and it worked the 2nd month. So, I stayed on P1 during those 2 months.

I don't have PCOS and I am not insulin resistant, so I didn't have any issues with my periods changing or becoming 'more fertile'. I discussed this theory with my OB and she said low carb diets/sig weight loss are helpful for people who have PCOS or insulin resistance to get their cycles more regular, but not for people who have no issues otherwise.

scorbett1103
04-29-2013, 07:02 PM
Hey my fellow ip peeps!
I'm entering phase 3 On Thursday so I'm studying up on phase 4 and they say after your cheat days you do a modified phase 1 day. Do you guys use the ip products or your own food? If you use you own food may I have some examples please :)

I do a straight up P1 day after a serious fun day - 3 products, 4 cups veg and 8oz protein. I switched to alternative products 8 weeks into my weight loss so I just still use those products - EAS shakes from Wal Mart, a few favorite Proti Diet foods that my local nutrition store sells, Quest bars from the supermarket when I can get them on sale.

Linden
04-30-2013, 12:07 AM
You must think me terribly rude but I had to make a totally unexpected trip to the mainland and just got back. Loooong trip from NYC today. I'll try to make sense tomorrow.

KitKat169
04-30-2013, 09:35 AM
It seems so long since I've been on 3FC, I had a lot of back-reading to do. This will be a me-post as I haven't had time to quote replies.

Things have been a controlled crazy the last couple weeks leading up to these last two days of work at my old job. Thursday morning I'll wake up unemployed for 4 whole days! My house goes on the market next week Monday and there are just a few last minute details to take care of. On Saturday I fly to Toronto and in the afternoon will immediately start the house hunting activities there. In between dealing with my house in Winnipeg, I've been scouring the real estate available in the GTA so I have a list of places to look at.

In all of this, I have lost focus on my eating and have gained a few pounds back. My biggest problem was not being mindful, eating to get rid of food in the fridge, grabbing things on the run (not bad food just too much) and having fun/close to fun meals for several days in a row without a P1 day afterwards. I also stopped logging my food because of lack of computer time and I had tucked away my scale so there was no monitoring. I went back on P1 as of Saturday and plan to stay on until Wednesday. Thurs I'll move to P3 and then probably do a cycle of P3 days with a P1 day every couple of days while I'm away. I'll re-evaluate when I'm back home and am considering I may need a full 2-week P1 reset.

This has been a good learning experience so I'm not broken over it but trying to tackle it head on. I've gone back to the Beck book to refresh my mindful eating techniques and I'm getting back to logging my food on MFP which is hard to do if you just randomly grab things to eat. My challenging foods are homemade greek yogurt with sugar free syrups added, blueberries, dried nuts and even vegetables and protein at times. I was decreasing my freezer stores of pork, beef and lamb so a lot of my meat choices were higher fat content.

I'll try to stay more active here too because I need the support to keep focused on me and food challenges especially when I don't feel I have the time to spend.

mommak8
04-30-2013, 10:31 AM
Hello all!
Busy and cold spring here in RI, but warming up:)
I've been MIA here, but living life and loving it! I ran a 5K at the beginning of Apr, went on vaca in FL and actually liked being in a swim suit, and went dancing with girlfriends for the first time since college! What a difference weight loss and IP has made in both my mindset and life!
I feel blessed to have found it and all of you! Just spent the am catching up on everyone...
Congrats to all the newbies transitioning to maintenance and to the long-term maintainers who are a constant inspiration to me.
I'll be back more regularly because I realized how much I missed it when I logged back in!

Lizz- so glad for the news on your decrease in meds! Woot woo!

greeniris
04-30-2013, 11:24 AM
Went to my doctor today and she told me to completely stop my cholesterol meds and cut my BP meds in half. This is what I've been waiting for since starting IP in July!! :D
HIP HIP HOORAY!!!:carrot: You are rockin' it Lizzy!

In all of this, I have lost focus on my eating and have gained a few pounds back. My biggest problem was not being mindful, eating to get rid of food in the fridge, grabbing things on the run (not bad food just too much) and having fun/close to fun meals for several days in a row without a P1 day afterwards. I also stopped logging my food because of lack of computer time and I had tucked away my scale so there was no monitoring. I went back on P1 as of Saturday and plan to stay on until Wednesday. Thurs I'll move to P3 and then probably do a cycle of P3 days with a P1 day every couple of days while I'm away. I'll re-evaluate when I'm back home and am considering I may need a full 2-week P1 reset.

This has been a good learning experience so I'm not broken over it but trying to tackle it head on. I've gone back to the Beck book to refresh my mindful eating techniques and I'm getting back to logging my food on MFP which is hard to do if you just randomly grab things to eat. My challenging foods are homemade greek yogurt with sugar free syrups added, blueberries, dried nuts and even vegetables and protein at times. I was decreasing my freezer stores of pork, beef and lamb so a lot of my meat choices were higher fat content.

I'll try to stay more active here too because I need the support to keep focused on me and food challenges especially when I don't feel I have the time to spend.
Kitkat - you're doing fine...you haven't lost control and know exactly what to do to get fully back on track. You amaze me that you're accomplishing so much in so little time! By mid-summer you'll be all settled into your new home and new job. Hang in there

Hello all!
Busy and cold spring here in RI, but warming up:)
I've been MIA here, but living life and loving it! I ran a 5K at the beginning of Apr, went on vaca in FL and actually liked being in a swim suit, and went dancing with girlfriends for the first time since college! What a difference weight loss and IP has made in both my mindset and life!
I feel blessed to have found it and all of you! Just spent the am catching up on everyone...
Congrats to all the newbies transitioning to maintenance and to the long-term maintainers who are a constant inspiration to me.
I'll be back more regularly because I realized how much I missed it when I logged back in!

Hi Mommak8 - Love the NSVs of liking wearing a swimsuit and going dancing! Happy life!

It's a rainy, but oh so much warmer week here! I do believe spring finally found us:D Nothing really to report, other than Molly & I are going to get together soon for lunch or dinner! Have a great day all

joysh
04-30-2013, 02:36 PM
It seems so long since I've been on 3FC, I had a lot of back-reading to do. This will be a me-post as I haven't had time to quote replies....This has been a good learning experience so I'm not broken over it but trying to tackle it head on. I've gone back to the Beck book to refresh my mindful eating techniques and I'm getting back to logging my food on MFP which is hard to do if you just randomly grab things to eat. My challenging foods are homemade greek yogurt with sugar free syrups added, blueberries, dried nuts and even vegetables and protein at times. I was decreasing my freezer stores of pork, beef and lamb so a lot of my meat choices were higher fat content.

Hi Kit Kat! Hang in there. Moving and changing jobs can be stressful, and you were also using up the food in your freezer! We are all so lucky because we know what to do and how to get back into control. Be kind to yourself! I know what you mean about challenging foods - even though that are perfect for P4!

This morning I found myself going back for another tsp of almond butter after I had already eaten my 1 1/2 Tbspn. I knew what I was doing, but saw myself saying "oh, it will be ok." I need to watch those moments.


It's a rainy, but oh so much warmer week here! I do believe spring finally found us:D Nothing really to report, other than Molly & I are going to get together soon for lunch or dinner! Have a great day all

Yay! You're getting spring!!!! Finally!! :)

I've been MIA here, but living life and loving it! I ran a 5K at the beginning of Apr, went on vaca in FL and actually liked being in a swim suit, and went dancing with girlfriends for the first time since college! What a difference weight loss and IP has made in both my mindset and life!...Congrats to all the newbies transitioning to maintenance and to the long-term maintainers who are a constant inspiration to me.
I'll be back more regularly because I realized how much I missed it when I logged back in!

Welcome back, mommak8!! And thanks, I guess I'm a newbie to maintenance! I'll officially start P4 in a few days!

Hi everyone. I did my recipe class the other night. ...They loved it and they were excited about the recipes. I gave them other tips about the diet and it felt good sharing my knowledge. I live in a small community so most people know me and that I have lost weight. Another good incentive to keep it off.
Lynnie and Joysh, good luck heading into maintenance! And hi to everyone else!

Beck, sounds like your recipe class went well. Glad you did it!

I know what you mean about the public incentive to keep it off. I, too, live in a small town and I'm visible in my job here. People have noticed and commented about the weight loss (often) and they would notice if I gained.

... I'd just like to say that I feel it is so very important to live life to the fullest, and be sure to tell those closest to you how much you love them often. So, even though we all don't know each other personally, I value this community, the support, and the friendships found here very much. Thank you to each one of you. :hug:

Ditto, Cindy.

Epaprn, sorry to hear you are going through this. Hang in there - and stay in contact with your doc.


I went to TOPS Provincial Recognition Days this weekend. VERY VERY uplifting and inspiring. I was the provincial runner up for weight loss and the lady who lost 13 lbs more then me was FANTASTIC. She has MS and lost all her weight in a wheel chair doing upper body excersises. WHOA!! Very cool!!!

What's TOPS?

Maile
04-30-2013, 04:26 PM
Ishbel: Way to go on that Tops Pageant! It must have been so inspiring to be around all of those people who have lost and kept it off! Great job on being RunnerUp! I could take a 25 year flag also as a goal.
Lizzy63: Excellent that you have cut your BP and are off cholesterol. You are so much healthier.
Joysh: Tops is for an organization called Take Pounds off Sensibly. I think you meet once a week as a support. It is inexpensive and very supportive.
Kitkat: Hang in there..Moving is stressful. You have great plans ahead.
Welcome back Maomak8. How fun that you are enjoying swimsuits and dancing. I wish we had some swimsuit weather. It snowed this am.

Linden: get some rest!

I am doing well..keeping on, keeping on.

dizzyjean
04-30-2013, 07:21 PM
Hi all, my life has been pretty busy, but I am hoping to listen and contribute as I can. There is tons do wisdom here, with the tons of weight lost!
I'm back!

greeniris
05-01-2013, 08:59 AM
Hi dizzyjean! Welcome back :D Hope all is well with you!

Ishbel - I forgot to congratulate you on being runner-up at the TOPS conference...so CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

Ishbel
05-01-2013, 09:40 AM
Joy TOPS - Take Off Pounds Sensibly...it's a weight support group. I pay 30 dollars a year for membership and 5 dollars a month for rent of the room we use weekly. It always was a part of my weight maintenance plan. The group I'm in, I've been in for 5 years and it's all about support. We have weekly meetings where we talk about our week, what was good what was bad. We have programs and we weigh in. Its a support group. They all knew I was on IP and supported me, no one else is on IP. Some people are following Tosca Rena's program, three other people are following three other different programs. We all support everyone. Once you hit your goal you become a KOP Keep Off Pounds Sensibly and you have a 10 lbs leeway, 3 lbs over your goal and 7 lbs under your goal that you are allowed (it must be approved by your doctor). I am consitently under that goal, I added a few lbs to it (it's 167 there) because it's after supper and in the evening and I usually wear jeans lol. At the end of the year if you've met your goal they tally up everyone's results and if you lost the most weight then you are Queen of the province. I was Queen Runner Up and I had everyone saying "princess" by the end of the day LMAO.

It's like WW only just support and encouragement. Some in my group have become very good friends that I'll keep for a long long time. :) They give you ideas (weekly programs) and have their own weight loss program but you don't have to follow it. It really helps me with my mid-week weigh in. Each year that you keep your weight off you get a year pin, so next year I will get #1 as a pin. Many ladies are 25 and over and there are some that are 9-10 years and some that are 1. It was very cool.

THEN during the Provincial Recognition Days (it's probably State Recognition Days down there)...they also have people in the PROCESS of losing their weight. They all speak. So it's very inspirational.

www.tops.org (not sure if I'm allowed to put that in here, if it gets removed and you don't know whats ahead of this sentence then it's not allowed)

maile/greeniris Thanks so much :D

lizzy WOOHOO! Take a mind snapshot when you get rid of your meds...it's significant! :)

kitkat You are doing better then you think you are I'm sure. Moving is stressful no matter what. Can only imagine how many people want to take you out.

++++++++

Hope everyone has a great day! :)

eandc2006
05-01-2013, 10:22 AM
Hello and Happy Wednesday to everyone here. Been in maintainece since December and I am doing a week of phase 1 to take off 2-3lbs and reset. I was dreading going back on for a week but have found it not to be too bad, especially because I come on here and read about others success, commitment, and dedication and I am instantly motivated by all of you.

A few questions...anyone notice the scale jump 5lbs around starting TOM? This was not something I remember prior to IP but then again I was not necessarily paying as close as attention as I do now. Anyone else find their appetite increased before they start but not while during TOM?


:dizzy:

joysh
05-01-2013, 10:22 AM
Thanks, Ishbel and Maile! That sounds like a wonderful group!

Had my last choir concert of the season last night. I remember the first one on IP in October. I practically passed out during the dress rehearsal. I had no idea it would be so physically taxing, especially on P1 calories. I sat down and ate half an IP bar. Spoke to my coach the next day, who advised me to drink an RTD immediately before going onstage for the concert. I did and used that same procedure for all of the other concerts this year. I treated it as a "workout," which it is! Anyway, the music was beautiful. I was waiting until the concert was over to officially move into P4. No excuses now! I will move into maintenance in the next day or so! I've spent 2 weeks on P2, 2 weeks on P3, and now ready to movenonward!

Have a great day, everyone! :)

Maile
05-02-2013, 09:42 AM
Joysh: I am glad your concert went well. That was physically demanding. I think you will enjoy Phase 4.
Sandyc" I can't help you as I am much older! However, I have gained 5 pounds in one day..not fun.
Welcome Dizzyjean.
Hi Cindy..Hope your week is going well.

Ishbel: I think you have a wonderful support system with TOPS. Plus getting a pin each year is inspirational. I think support is a key to maintenance.

Here is an interesting blog that got me thinking.

Wednesday, May 01, 2013

… just another fancy term for a lifelong diet?

I have to admit that this possible misconception had crossed my mind a couple of times in the past. Especially after returning to old habits at the end of a strict, depriving diet. And seeing the pounds returning as well. The idea of a lifelong diet seemed like the only – dreadful! – solution at times like that. But I hadn’t really given it much thought until recently.

I was reading an article here. To be honest, I really don’t remember the exact subject because the thing that really caught my attention was the first comment right under the article. A woman insisted that what she learned, was not a lifestyle change but simply how to maintain her weight by being constantly on a diet, by saying “no” to all “forbidden” foods and by being in a never-ending workout frenzy in order to keep her body in a considerably fit state! It made me think…

Could she be right?

Could we be fooling ourselves here?

Are we in a constant dieting procedure that we have hidden behind the comforting and guilt-free term “lifestyle change”?

Could we?



I had to give it some serious thought and find my own personal answer . My adult life consists of three different eating patterns. In the past it was either “on a diet” or “off a diet”. And then I lost weight and committed myself to a “lifestyle change”. So, let’s see how they differ…

* DIET*

Meals:
Strict, following a program that someone else had made for me and not according to what I’d like to eat on a specific day. ALWAYS low-calorie, low-fat and lacking taste and variety.
Sweets and treats:
Out-of-the-question! Forbidden! Even the thought of them could make the scale go up!
Nutritional knowledge and awareness:
Limited and mistakenly oriented to fat percentage. Food was either fattening or not. Who cares about nutritional values…
Exercise:
A weight loss tool, used occasionally to help the scale move a bit faster. “Does it burn calories? Then I’ll do it!”
Weight maintenance:
Weeks, Months, never actually made it to a full year…


*OFF-DIET*

Meals:
Anything, anytime, anywhere! I’m not on a diet anymore! Woohoo!
Sweets and treats:
See “meals” above. Woohoo twice!!!
Nutritional knowledge and awareness:
If it tastes good, it’s good for me! We said it: I’m not on a diet anymore!
Exercise:
Well, I walk when I have the chance. I mean, I like exercise but why should I do it? I’m not trying to lose weight.
Weight maintenance:
…Hmmm… Now, where did I put that scale?...


*LIFESTYLE CHANGE*

Meals:
Balanced, planned by me according to my desire and taste.
Sweets and treats:
Occasional and in moderation. Enjoying food is part of life, after all.
Nutritional knowledge and awareness:
Much more than ever before. I always read nutritional labels and I watch my daily intake of most important food categories.
Exercise:
Way of life. Something that helps me feel strong and healthy and not just a weight loss assisting tool.
Weight maintenance:
I have been in the lowest weight range of my life for a little more than a year. And counting…

In short, the answer is NO! This “lifestyle change” that there’s so much fuss over it , is NOT a life-long diet. It’s not a diet at all. And it’s not the “eat-everything-I want” way of living, either. It’s the safe road in between. It’s about learning to enjoy food in your own terms, the ones that can help you maintain a healthy body that you feel good in.

And if we compare it to the “off-diet” state, or to a mentality of eating everything in sight, then, yes, it might look like a diet. But is this the way we want to live? Treating our stomach like a trash can? Saying yes to all the zero-quality products that the food industry has to offer? And calling every other way of eating a “diet”?

No! The “D” word was taken out of my vocabulary. It got replaced with words like moderation, balance, real food. I have learned that there are many more labels for food than just good and bad, fattening and not.

I learned how to stop dieting. Once and for all.

I made food my friend, not a foe.

cbl70
05-02-2013, 11:08 AM
Maile,
Thanks for sharing this blog. Lifestyle Change is exactly where I am post-IP.
Never have I ever been there before.

dizzyjean
05-02-2013, 01:20 PM
Hi again, all!
GreenIris- doing well. I have gotten used to the Lupus meds, and the fatigue and joint pain is manageable. I have kept pretty stable with weight, which is great. It all still takes a lot of thoughts to keep disassociating food items. Haha, a lifelong practice, I guess.
I really liked the thoughtful discussion about lowest possible weight and maintain-able weight. 2 different goals, I believe.
I find that when I get near the top of my comfort weight zone, I start to lose my confidence. I lose that happiness in my own skin. That is interesting to me, and I still need to think about it and see why being up a couple of pounds makes me think I will lose control and gain the pounds back. Sounds silly to me, as I write it, but that's my fear.
Anyway, happy Thursday, all!

joysh
05-02-2013, 01:40 PM
Maile, that is so beautifully put!! Thank you for posting that!

I definitely want to live with the third choice.

BTW - today is my first day of P4 - maintenance, so reading that today will lay the foundation for my future eating.

Yesterday in the late afternoon I attended an annual reception. Of course, there were many delicious goodies. Last year at this time I attended it and I was 85 pounds heavier. I had just learned about IP and was considering it, although it would be another month before I could begin. I remembered how I felt. Yesterday I felt wonderful! I actually had planned to eat some of the goodies, but did not feel that I wanted to. I had a few candied pecans and a few little sausages, but the other rich foods (It's Louisiana, folks.) did not "call to me." I went home and cooked some amazing roasted rutabaga, zucchini, and red peppers and baked some deliciously seasoned chicken breasts. It was all so yummy and felt like a big treat.

Life is strange - and wonderful. Of course, all of the compliments at the reception didn't hurt either...

evepet
05-02-2013, 07:39 PM
Maile - what a thoughtful post - love how it describes the 'life style' that's necessary for this weight maintenance. ITA with what it says... I have my splurges from time to time, but am always mindful of what I'm eating and don't feel restricted or deprived. I also am very aware of keeping an eye on what the scale says on a regular basis and acting accordingly... doing all I can to protect my newly acquired slim body. Previously, I would have gone right back to the 'I'm off the diet' mentality, and been into everything and anything with abandon.

Joysh - Welcome to maintenance!

Dizzyjean - Nice to see you here again!

Ishbel - TOPS does sound like a good group. I'll have to investigate whether there's a local chapter in my city. A weekly group of this sort could be a good reinforcement.

Wingnut/Molly - Glad to read that you got your dialup internet situ resolved. We need you here... often! :D

Not much news at my end. All is pretty much as usual, and things are still going well on the maintenance-front. :D I do have my days were I've slid up a couple of pounds, but can invariably trace it to water retention due to some higher-sodium thing I've eaten the previous day. So just cutting back on sodium and carbs for a day and making doubly sure I drink at least 80oz of water has been doing the trick.

My new job is still keeping me very busy and preoccupied. Sure does make the day fly by.

And thank goodness...... :carrot: We've finally got some gorgeous summer-like weather in Central Ontario! We somehow skipped spring and hopped directly to summer weather. Love it! Iff this continues, I'll soon need to put my window fans in!

Cheers everyone - hope you're all doing well.

joysh
05-02-2013, 10:49 PM
I know this link has been posted. I thought I saved it to my desktop, but I can't seem to find it. Forgive me for asking again, but does anyone have the Phase 4 meal planner? There was a wonderful template that someone made and I've looked through the older threads and can't find it. :dizzy::dizzy:


Other than that, all is well with me. Today was my first real day on P4. I added 1 oz of natural cheddar at lunchtime. Right after dinner I had a little bit (less than 1/4 cup) of my crunchy granola as my carb. I'm not sure that I'll always add the fat or carb.

Evepet, I'm thinking of you and the pizza. This is the last week of classes and one of my graduate students told me he's making me a homemade pizza and bringing it tomorrow. I have not had pizza in 10 months. I guess I'll have one piece and call it lunch. Then I'll come home and have my veggies. I know pizza is fat and carb all rolled up together, but I think one piece will be ok.

Beck81
05-03-2013, 12:27 AM
Hi everyone. Great post Maile.

Weird thing happened to me today. Came back from having lunch at Subway and it was cold outside. My fingers turned a yellow color looking almost dead and my fingers went numb. It lasted maybe a half hour. Doing a little googling and a Doctor visit and it sounds like Raynauds disease. My hands and feet have been cold throughout this whole diet. The Dr did some blood tests that I'll find out Monday on. Anyone familiar with Raynauds? It was scary. I have also had slight headaches lately that I don't usually have. Have been drinking some coffee in the mornings.
Thanks.

blessedamberly
05-03-2013, 09:00 AM
Hi everyone. Great post Maile.

Weird thing happened to me today. Came back from having lunch at Subway and it was cold outside. My fingers turned a yellow color looking almost dead and my fingers went numb. It lasted maybe a half hour. Doing a little googling and a Doctor visit and it sounds like Raynauds disease. My hands and feet have been cold throughout this whole diet. The Dr did some blood tests that I'll find out Monday on. Anyone familiar with Raynauds? It was scary. I have also had slight headaches lately that I don't usually have. Have been drinking some coffee in the mornings.
Thanks.

Not a maintainer but love reading this thread. Beck- I have a dear friend who has raynauds and you just have to keep warm! Tough in Wisconsin I know, but she has had some scared episodes and it has progressed into something worse- not to scare you! She has heating blankets and these little cozy spots warmers that she uses on her hands and feet when they do what yours did. SHe also lives in cuddl duds all winter along with heavy sweaters. On another note those little blue pills for men have become her friend on bad days because of the circulation help. It's manageable just stay warm!

Beck81
05-03-2013, 09:49 AM
Not a maintainer but love reading this thread. Beck- I have a dear friend who has raynauds and you just have to keep warm! Tough in Wisconsin I know, but she has had some scared episodes and it has progressed into something worse- not to scare you! She has heating blankets and these little cozy spots warmers that she uses on her hands and feet when they do what yours did. SHe also lives in cuddl duds all winter along with heavy sweaters. On another note those little blue pills for men have become her friend on bad days because of the circulation help. It's manageable just stay warm!

Thanks for the info, Amber.

Cheekyskeeter
05-03-2013, 10:30 AM
I hope you get some answers Beck. I've never heard of Raynauds before so have no help I can offer...just wanted to wish you well.

So I'm back from Jamaica and still maintaining well. I did put on a few lbs while away but it's already gone this week so I think it was not drinking all my water while I was away (that and the desserts I'm sure). I didn't even bother doing any P1 or P2 this week since returning. Just ate the way I was before I left and it all worked out. I was so worried that I would put on all the weight I lost which I know is impossible in one week but....I was quite nervous to stand on the scale when I got home. Deep down I knew it wouldn't be much as my clothes weren't any tighter and except for a bit of bloating in my tummy I looked the same. It was so nice to not worry about having pictures taken especially with me in my bikini. It's a first for me since I was a teenager.

Hope everyone is doing well!

petchef
05-03-2013, 01:27 PM
[QUOTE=Ishbel;4726033]Joy TOPS - Take Off Pounds Sensibly...it's a weight support group. I pay 30 dollars a year for membership and 5 dollars a month for rent of the room we use weekly. It always was a part of my weight maintenance plan. The group I'm in, I've been in for 5 years and it's all about support. We have weekly meetings where we talk about our week, what was good what was bad. We have programs and we weigh in. Its a support group. They all knew I was on IP and supported me, no one else is on IP. Some people are following Tosca Rena's program, three other people are following three other different programs. We all support everyone. Once you hit your goal you become a KOP Keep Off Pounds Sensibly and you have a 10 lbs leeway, 3 lbs over your goal and 7 lbs under your goal that you are allowed (it must be approved by your doctor). I am consitently under that goal, I added a few lbs to it (it's 167 there) because it's after supper and in the evening and I usually wear jeans lol. At the end of the year if you've met your goal they tally up everyone's results and if you lost the most weight then you are Queen of the province. I was Queen Runner Up and I had everyone saying "princess" by the end of the day LMAO.

It's like WW only just support and encouragement. Some in my group have become very good friends that I'll keep for a long long time. :) They give you ideas (weekly programs) and have their own weight loss program but you don't have to follow it. It really helps me with my mid-week weigh in. Each year that you keep your weight off you get a year pin, so next year I will get #1 as a pin. Many ladies are 25 and over and there are some that are 9-10 years and some that are 1. It was very cool.

THEN during the Provincial Recognition Days (it's probably State Recognition Days down there)...they also have people in the PROCESS of losing their weight. They all speak. So it's very inspirational.

www.tops.org (not sure if I'm allowed to put that in here, if it gets removed and you don't know whats ahead of this sentence then it's not allowed)

Ishbel, thank you for the information about TOPS. My mother was a TOPS member and I can remember going to meetings with her when I was 3 or 4 years old. I had completely forgotten about it.

I'm not in maintenance yet, 68 lbs down, 15 to go. My biggest fear is unwinding all of this goodness and happy progress, post IP. The last 20 lbs are proving to be the most challenging for me. I need more than a rushed 10 - 15 minutes of weighing & measuring with my distracted IP coach. I get 99% of my support from you and the other smart, generous and knowledgeable people who post here every day.

I just looked at the TOPS website and watched the videos. So inspirational. One woman talked about it being a supportive and *safe* place, instead of punitive like so many programs. I've found a local chapter in my town. They offer a free first meeting. In addition to reading everyone's posts here, TOPS sounds like it will help me stay the course for the rest of the weight loss and after.

Lizzy63
05-03-2013, 08:58 PM
Hi everyone. Great post Maile.

Weird thing happened to me today. Came back from having lunch at Subway and it was cold outside. My fingers turned a yellow color looking almost dead and my fingers went numb. It lasted maybe a half hour. Doing a little googling and a Doctor visit and it sounds like Raynauds disease. My hands and feet have been cold throughout this whole diet. The Dr did some blood tests that I'll find out Monday on. Anyone familiar with Raynauds? It was scary. I have also had slight headaches lately that I don't usually have. Have been drinking some coffee in the mornings.
Thanks.

Beck - sorry to hear this - sounds scary. I hope your Dr can figure it out soon!

capricious
05-04-2013, 12:19 AM
Maile- I really enjoyed your post. It is in such synchronicity with where I'm at right now. Because being 'on a diet' does in fact lead to being 'off a diet'. The world is a much calmer, happier place when one chooses to eat well because it makes them feel well... and not because they 'have' to.
I've made peace with my gain. Watching what I eat and how much of it while giving myself a bit of leeway to enjoy a glass of wine. Exercising (cause I love it! Those feel good endorphins just can't be beat :)) a few times a week... so that it stays something I'm doing because I enjoy it not because it's a chore that needs to be completed.
I still love catching up with all of you... and I am very proud to have been a part of this group. Making good decisions... for the right reasons...takes time but it is such a worthwhile goal...
Ishbel- You more than deserve to be a beautiful princess not once but twice in one year! Congrats are due all round!
KitKat- try to fall back on veggies... if you're looking for a convenience food to graze on... they are so satiating and fairly easy to come across at convenience stores even. Edo is great if you order their shrimp dish cooked in water with no sauce and no rice. It makes a great alternative to salad...
Becky- that does sound concerning... you'll have to update us when you find out what it is for sure.
Liz- congrats on the meds reduction! There is no greater reward than health :)
Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend!

Momto2cs
05-04-2013, 01:14 AM
Cap
I can only say look at the precision nutrition site. It has really been helping me this year. No crazy diets, slow but steady change. Maybe...

Momto2cs
05-04-2013, 01:31 AM
Cheeky skeeter
You rock that bikini

Maile
05-04-2013, 08:54 AM
Cheekyskeeter, You look lovely in that bikini! I am glad your trip went well and that you are bacl at your goal. I bet Jamaica was lovely.
Beck81: I don't know anything about raynauds but I hope you get something to help you. When are you going to see your doctor?
Joysh: That was sweet of your student to make you a pizza. If you eat a low carb breakfast, it might balance that piece. Hooray for your last week of school. I have got 4 weeks left. I do not have the link for Phase 4. How fun to be 85 pounds lighter at that reception!
Evepet: I liked the post for the same reasons. It defined maintenance as not being on a diet, but as a lifestyle choice that yes, must be worked on..but is not constantly dieting. I am glad you like your new job and Ontario! Your move went well.

Dizzyjean: I have had that reaction also..when you are in the upper range of your goal weight, you can feel uncomfortable and worry that you are gaining it back. It does get easier with time! You know you can get back down!

Cap: I liked that article for the same reason. It defined that as we maintain, we have a different mindset from the off/on diet mentality. You sound focused and positive about your eating choices. Exercise is a valued part of my life also.

My son is here from South Carolina. I knew making cognac steak would result in that scale moving. Low low carb day today!

Ishbel
05-04-2013, 02:30 PM
quick post for Cap

May the 4th be with you! :)

scorbett1103
05-04-2013, 04:41 PM
quick post for Cap

May the 4th be with you! :)

May the 4th be with you too!

And don't forget Monday - Revenge of the 6th!

evepet
05-04-2013, 05:18 PM
I know this link has been posted. I thought I saved it to my desktop, but I can't seem to find it. Forgive me for asking again, but does anyone have the Phase 4 meal planner? There was a wonderful template that someone made and I've looked through the older threads and can't find it. :dizzy::dizzy:


Other than that, all is well with me. Today was my first real day on P4. I added 1 oz of natural cheddar at lunchtime. Right after dinner I had a little bit (less than 1/4 cup) of my crunchy granola as my carb. I'm not sure that I'll always add the fat or carb.

Evepet, I'm thinking of you and the pizza. This is the last week of classes and one of my graduate students told me he's making me a homemade pizza and bringing it tomorrow. I have not had pizza in 10 months. I guess I'll have one piece and call it lunch. Then I'll come home and have my veggies. I know pizza is fat and carb all rolled up together, but I think one piece will be ok.

How was the pizza? You're a braver woman than me.... I couldn't face a whole pizza by myself - had to bring in the reinforcements. LOL.

I've attached the Phase 4 Meal Planner for you.

Hi everyone. Great post Maile.

Weird thing happened to me today. Came back from having lunch at Subway and it was cold outside. My fingers turned a yellow color looking almost dead and my fingers went numb. It lasted maybe a half hour. Doing a little googling and a Doctor visit and it sounds like Raynauds disease. My hands and feet have been cold throughout this whole diet. The Dr did some blood tests that I'll find out Monday on. Anyone familiar with Raynauds? It was scary. I have also had slight headaches lately that I don't usually have. Have been drinking some coffee in the mornings.
Thanks.

That sounds scary Beck. I know somebody 'in passing' that has Raymauds disease... Her hands are constantly freezing & she wears gloves practically all year round. Hope your Dr. can help solve the mystery asap.

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We have a bee-oo-t-ful day here! Absolutely gorgeous! Hmm... what am I doing inside?...... it's beckoning to me - gotta go for a walk.

Cheers everyone. Hope you are all having a great day.

Ishbel
05-04-2013, 05:20 PM
May the 4th be with you too!

And don't forget Monday - Revenge of the 6th!

Hahaha, I say Revenge of the Fifth! lol

scorbett1103
05-04-2013, 05:40 PM
Hahaha, I say Revenge of the Fifth! lol

LOL I was going to say that at first, but the 5th is Cinco De Mayo, much too happy a day for a Sith holiday ;)

mommak8
05-04-2013, 09:24 PM
Hello and Happy Wednesday to everyone here. Been in maintainece since December and I am doing a week of phase 1 to take off 2-3lbs and reset. I was dreading going back on for a week but have found it not to be too bad, especially because I come on here and read about others success, commitment, and dedication and I am instantly motivated by all of you.

A few questions...anyone notice the scale jump 5lbs around starting TOM? This was not something I remember prior to IP but then again I was not necessarily paying as close as attention as I do now. Anyone else find their appetite increased before they start but not while during TOM?


:dizzy:

That's exactly how my first TOM on Maintenance was... the scale is less jumpy now, but the cravings are still there and it's by far my hardest time. You are not alone!

Malie- I love that post! I've had a change of "lifestyle" and I'm trying hard to teach my kids that "diet" only means what you consume. For instance, some people have a fat and carb rich diet, others focus on whole food diets, while others have a gluten free diet. Food is food, and "diet" only means what food you eat...you just have to make (and live with) your choice of your diet.

A little me info... I have noticed that all refined flours and sugars set me into a scary place of little control. It's something that I'm always going to need to watch now, but I'm thankful that I am eating "clean" enough to realize it and that a good very low carb day puts me right again. Before IP I would have not realized that all I needed was one day of serious self control to set it straight, and would have given up (there's that lifestyle change popping up again!).

Have a beautiful Spring all...now that it's finally here!

Conine
05-05-2013, 02:36 PM
I've already spent a few hours browsing the forum for what seems like a very FAQ-like question, but I'm failing, so I'll poll the maintainers.

Yesterday was my first day on phase 4. A lot of my friends had planned a huge bash to celebrate "May the Fourth" so I decided to go straight to the treat day for that. Now that it's the day after and I'm doing my phase 1 day, I find myself questioning the best way to handle it.

I think the safe way is to just treat it like original phase 1. Surely can't go wrong with that. I have some protein powder that I use to make some chocolate drink type shakes, so I feel like I'm good on that. I had compared the ingredients and nutritional information and it's very comparable to the IP products (more fiber, less sugar).

However, I originally had it in my mind that I read on one of the numerous confusing / contradicting handouts for phase 4 (with great freedom comes the ability to screw it up greatly) that all vegetables were back on the table, but now I'm not so sure of that. I was planning on having carrots as my vegetable for lunch and dinner today and I'm wondering if that isn't a mistake.

I am convinced a huge part of success for this diet is planning. If you plan your meals properly when you shop, your success rate is going to significantly increase. So the phase 4 'freedom' has me constantly second guessing my choices. The other phases were rigid, but at least I knew I was doing it right!

I'm also laughing at myself because I think if I had heard myself ask "Is it OK to eat carrots?" a year ago, I would have kicked myself in the shin.

TL;DR: In Phase 4, while doing your phase 1 day after treat day, are all vegetables on the table, or is it back to the restricted ones? :?::?:

evepet
05-05-2013, 03:11 PM
Conine - I've just been in maintenance for 1 month and 4 days now, but I stay away from the 'occasional' veggies on my P1 days.

I've attached a couple of documents that make me believe this is correct. It's referenced in the 'Glycemic Load Portion Sizes' sheet I've attached.. which says 'keep 'treat' day to once a week, and always follow wth a P1 day - no grains, beans, dairy, fruits and higher carb veggies'. Also the 'Phase 4 explanation' refers to the need to keep carbs (and sugars) really low on the P1 day. So - just those veggies & other food items that were allowed on P1.

IdealProteinNewbie
05-05-2013, 03:13 PM
Conine: I have a ways to go before being in maintenance, but I "lurk" here to mentally prepare myself.

Carrots wouldn't be allowed on the day following your "fun day" nor would any of the other veggies not allowed on Phase 1 (peas, beets, avocado, artichoke, etc).

scorbett1103
05-05-2013, 03:43 PM
I think the safe way is to just treat it like original phase 1. Surely can't go wrong with that. I have some protein powder that I use to make some chocolate drink type shakes, so I feel like I'm good on that. I had compared the ingredients and nutritional information and it's very comparable to the IP products (more fiber, less sugar).

However, I originally had it in my mind that I read on one of the numerous confusing / contradicting handouts for phase 4 (with great freedom comes the ability to screw it up greatly) that all vegetables were back on the table, but now I'm not so sure of that. I was planning on having carrots as my vegetable for lunch and dinner today and I'm wondering if that isn't a mistake.

I am convinced a huge part of success for this diet is planning. If you plan your meals properly when you shop, your success rate is going to significantly increase. So the phase 4 'freedom' has me constantly second guessing my choices. The other phases were rigid, but at least I knew I was doing it right!

I'm also laughing at myself because I think if I had heard myself ask "Is it OK to eat carrots?" a year ago, I would have kicked myself in the shin.

TL;DR: In Phase 4, while doing your phase 1 day after treat day, are all vegetables on the table, or is it back to the restricted ones? :?::?:

When I do my Phase 1 day after a fun day, I do Phase 1 by the book - I do not have any disallowed veggies, and I have my 1 restricted and 2 unrestricted packets just as if I were still on P1. I don't avoid the restricted veggies (but I will only allow myself 1 serving of 1 cup if I am going to have something on that list), though I know some folks do ALL unrestricteds (veggies and packets) on their post-fun day.

The more you get into maintenance, you will figure out what works for your body. I am pretty tolerant of carbs so if I have tomato on my P1 day it doesn't affect me. It's definitely tough to go from strictly regulated foods to "open season", but it gets easier!

I had a laugh at your carrot comment - one of the first things that excited me my first day on P4 was that I could have carrots! And as much as I wanted! The things we get excited about now... ;)

pocahontas812
05-05-2013, 05:29 PM
Officially in maintenance as of this weekend. Went a little crazy yesterday and had a single hershey kiss that I found at the back of my husband's snack drawer. It was good, but the one was definitely enough. Followed that up with 1/3 cup rice with dinner. Realized 2 things as I was eating: First, the rice didn't make my chicken and veggies any better....it was just a filler/something to absorb the little bit of sauce. Second, to eat the rice I had to scoop it or "shovel" it up with my fork instead of spearing it like I did with chicken and veg. I do not want to shovel my food!

This afternoon I needed a snack after working out in the garden. Spent almost 15 minutes debating whether to have a granola bar or not, and once I decided I would, which of the 3 different options (again, from hubbies snack drawer) to have! Finally decided on a Kind dark chocolate cherry cashew. It was quite good. Since I had the granola bar at snack time, will not have carbs with dinner.

Am continuing the P3 style breakfasts....they keep me very satisfied until lunch time.

infoplease
05-05-2013, 05:37 PM
I've already spent a few hours browsing the forum for what seems like a very FAQ-like question, but I'm failing, so I'll poll the maintainers.
Kind of makes you wonder how IP has very rigid aka one-size-fits-all P1, P2, P3 then all of the sudden P4 becomes "it depends". ;)

However, I originally had it in my mind that I read on one of the numerous confusing / contradicting handouts for phase 4 (with great freedom comes the ability to screw it up greatly) I loved these lines so much. For P1 and P2 it was "follow the sheet" for P4 it was more like "here is a bunch of really important information about some foods and how to do P4 and here is a worksheet that somewhat conflicts with this pile of information we gave you"

carrots
[I]We somehow have demonized carrots. I still have this in my head, too. Someone earlier mentioned doing a "clean day" after the fun day. I am trying this today. If you have just done the first fun day, honestly, any kind of P1 day is going to work. Bonus: your body MAY even act like it is in ketosis during your first week of P1. If you are trying to establish your new maintenance habits, I think I would stay with the p1 list, or, if you want to loosen it up a bit, any non-starchy vegetable. I don't think 4 cups of carrots is the end of the world but maybe mixing it up for 3 of the cups is a better long term strategy

I am convinced a huge part of success for this diet is planning.Yes! Or at least having some idea of what you want on hand/what your restaurant "go to" foods are under normal circumstances If you plan your meals properly when you shop, your success rate is going to significantly increase. So the phase 4 'freedom' has me constantly second guessing my choices. The other phases were rigid, but at least I knew I was doing it right!

I'm also laughing at myself because I think if I had heard myself ask "Is it OK to eat carrots?" a year ago, I would have kicked myself in the shin.
Someone somewhere on this board quoted a weight watcher lecture in which the statement was made "we didn't all get here by eating carrots". If you look really closely at the macros (carb/fiber/sugar) of carrots, it really isn't all that bad, kind of similar to a tomato

TL;DR: In Phase 4, while doing your phase 1 day after treat day, are all vegetables on the table, or is it back to the restricted ones? :?::?:

I have tried it both ways. Today I am of the opinion that the "clean day" protocol is valuable to me, so I am trying that. As long as you do something that resembles p2/p3 (that is, low carb and lower calories than a p4 day) I think the concept will work

ps Found a reference on another site to the whole thing of eating the carbs in the evening meal as being beneficial and that keeping carbs (starchy ones, vegetable ones are OK) out of the main portion of the day will have hunger curbing benefits. I find that this is true, although sometimes those carbs can go on all night, which is what I am working on (again!).

pps Really appreciate the latest strings with the lipase stuff, the Beck quotes and the p1-after-fun-day methodologies.