Living Maintenance - Maintainers Springing Into Summer!




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Shannon in ATL
03-27-2013, 04:26 PM
It is finally feeling like spring here today, so we are on our way to sunnier days and warmer weather! Gardens, bathing suits, shorts, cute dresses... New houses and new offices and new babies for some of us...

Let's shed off our winter doldrums and show summer what we maintainers can do!


JenMusic
03-27-2013, 04:39 PM
Yay, Shannon! Thanks for starting the new thread and bringing in such positivity. Spring is all about hope, and fresh starts, and growth. It feels so motivating. Let's try and stay that way! :lol:

I was trying to figure out the coffee shop that you referenced, but because I commute from the city and am on campus all day, I don't really know too much about the area except for the big things. It's too bad, though; I hate when local businesses don't succeed. Even worse when they could and then didn't.

I'm heading out for a run after work. The sunshine has me feeling chipper!

krampus
03-27-2013, 05:09 PM
It was lovely and sunny out all day and now it looks like this (NYS Capitol building in Albany) (https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/581539_10100683569687822_727072788_n.jpg). Gross. Still going to run between work and going to "The Merry Monk" for mussels frites (I'm going to see if they won't give me a side salad or something instead of frites) and Belgian beer.

Weight spiked a LOT over the weekend, up from 124.6 to 127+ but was back down to 124.8 today.

Hope everyone is well. I am lurking.


bargoo
03-27-2013, 05:40 PM
It was lovely and sunny out all day and now it looks like this (NYS Capitol building in Albany) (https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/581539_10100683569687822_727072788_n.jpg)..

This looks like the start of a Stephen King movie.

Exhale15
03-27-2013, 06:20 PM
Hi. This is just what I need for a jump start and renewal:carrot:

The past couple of days I've made poor food choices and, while I'm probably up just 2pounds from the carbs, I feel horrible. And the worse part is, is I'm forgetting that, even with the +2lbs, I'm still Down about 30. Which I think is a big deal, but I'm not feeling it these days. I feel as though I'm back to square one.

Anyone else gets this feeling?

Krampus the lighting in that photo, although grey, is kinda nice....did you take that picture ?

Mudpie
03-27-2013, 07:03 PM
I will join you in this thread when I no longer have to wear a parka, boots, and 2 other layers of clothes under them to work.

Dagmar :brr:

BillBlueEyes
03-27-2013, 07:29 PM
I can post is a spring thread - I just walked to Whole Foods without wearing gloves!

That's an ominous picture, krampus.

bargoo
03-27-2013, 08:45 PM
I have to go have lab work tomorrow, will I be able to wear Bermudas ?

JayZeeJay
03-27-2013, 08:51 PM
Krampus - I love that picture. It gives me those delightful shivers that you get when a big storm is coming. Or is that just me? When I lived in the Sierras I would love to see a huge storm rolling in. Even though I knew it meant 5 feet of snow and a whole lot of digging each time.

Exhale - heck yeah, I get that feeling. I doubt there is anyone who doesn't feel a bit of hopelessness when they backslide. Even though the backslide isn't nearly back to the actual starting point (heaven forbid). I'm up 8 pounds from my low weight that I was maintaining pretty comfortably. It feels like an enormous distance to get back to where I was. But beating ourselves up about it is not as productive as, say, doing something about it. :)

Exhale15
03-27-2013, 08:57 PM
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Exhale - heck yeah, I get that feeling. I doubt there is anyone who doesn't feel a bit of hopelessness when they backslide. Even though the backslide isn't nearly back to the actual starting point (heaven forbid). I'm up 8 pounds from my low weight that I was maintaining pretty comfortably. It feels like an enormous distance to get back to where I was. But beating ourselves up about it is not as productive as, say, doing something about it. :)

Thanks JayZeeJay, it's really dangerous, though, to forget all of the gains. I guess it's because we become accustomed to the 'new' body, and forget those 'ahhhh' moments we have after dropping a good amount of weight. We forget how exciting it is to have tighter arms, or how awful it was to have a big muffin top. So, maybe we should be happy that we have a greater sensitivity to junk food, have lower tolerance to that 'stuffed' feeling, and just get back on track :carrot: Like I read on one of these posts, most people don't lose 10 pounds, because they just quit.......

bargoo
03-28-2013, 08:35 AM
So sad this morning. Gary is going home under hospice care. Angie has posted they will care for him at home. Posted more on the Weekly chat.

Exhale15
03-28-2013, 09:51 AM
Good morning everyone :)

A bit chilly this morning, but there's not a cloud in the sky.

I just realized that I really have to finish painting my apartment...It's really difficult for me to pick colors, though. I see all of these beautiful rooms in magazines, and then remember to factor in the fact that those rooms are usually at least triple the size of my rooms, have triple the number of windows, etc. etc. So the colors may not work the same way...

I'm happily discovering that I feel full more quickly than I used to. I think it's because I'm eating more protein, and have gotten away from 'fat-free'. I really think that regular, old-fashioned, food is the way to go. And when I find the junk food creeping up I realize it's because I haven't been eating properly. So it's not some mysterious evil spirit (LOL), it's just good old physiology ;) And instead of pushing to lose 10 pounds, I need to push to prepare my own meals and eat properly and the 10 pounds will be gone...

Have a great rest-of-the-week all....

Shannon in ATL
03-28-2013, 11:37 AM
Krampus - that photo is gorgeous. Scary, but lovely.

Exhale - I love bright colors! I have silver, red, gold, purple, bright blue and green and a salmon color in various places in my house. What are you thinking for yours? I always avoid 'fat free' as well. I don't love the 'diet foods', think they hurt me more than help me.

Bill & Dagmar - it will be spring for you guys soon, I promise!

Jen - Cocoa Bean Cafe, up on Jiles Road. It was next door to Big Pie in the Sky Pizzeria, which has been prominently featured on "Man vs. Food". LOL I ran yesterday afternoon as well - it was gorgeous. How did yours go? Mine was slow and painful and reminded me why I need to not let myself slack off again.

I'm still in a mostly good mood today. Have to go to storage and help move around some boxes, the art show at DSS's school is tonight. I'm going, XW is going, and I don't care if she is bothered by me being there are not. Not letting that drive me today.

And Bargoo - I'm sad about Gary moving to hospice. I don't see anything on his FB, please keep me updated. I didn't always agree with him, but I always appreciated him and his counsel. His "EZ Money 5k"s were what got me out and running, with the mental picture of him and midwife chasing me around the track. He will be missed, and I hope he gets to spend the time left at home in peace with his family.

bargoo
03-28-2013, 01:44 PM
I have not actually met Gary in person but would like to. I "met" him as I was moving around to various forums and kept running into him. It seems we have a lot of common interests. He posted a lot on the Faith Support Groups, that is where I am getting the information from Angie.

alinnell
03-28-2013, 02:12 PM
I, too, wished I could have met him. While not as religious as he is, we are both Lutheran and hold similar values due to that. He and his family always seemed to be so happy together. I feel bad for them. All the photos of him and his grandbabies--they'll miss having such a great person in their lives.

bargoo
03-28-2013, 02:20 PM
I, too, wished I could have met him. While not as religious as he is, we are both Lutheran and hold similar values due to that. He and his family always seemed to be so happy together. I feel bad for them. All the photos of him and his grandbabies--they'll miss having such a great person in their lives.

Yes. I remember that some of my best memories are about my grandfather and I was blessed to have him until I was 18. I am sorry that Gary's 3 granddaughters will not have that.

Shannon in ATL
03-28-2013, 02:28 PM
I'm 41 and still have one grandfather living, lost the other in 2005. My heart hurts for Gary's grandbabies.

Exhale15
03-28-2013, 03:01 PM
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Exhale - I love bright colors! I have silver, red, gold, purple, bright blue and green and a salmon color in various places in my house. What are you thinking for yours? I always avoid 'fat free' as well. I don't love the 'diet foods', think they hurt me more than help me...


Shannon, I like all colors but yellow and red/orange catch my attention first. I have a bright yellow in the bedroom, with beige and medium light blue accents. The living room walls are white with a touch of grey, grey chair, and burnt orange sofa (the sofa I bought a long time ago and it's not going anywhere). I've toyed with the idea of salmon and white in my foyer. Or maybe back to yellow.

krampus
03-28-2013, 03:26 PM
I'm very sad to hear about Gary.

saef
03-28-2013, 03:51 PM
So sad this morning. Gary is going home under hospice care. Angie has posted they will care for him at home. Posted more on the Weekly chat.

Oh. I just felt my heart drop in my chest. Moving to chat to read more.

JenMusic
03-28-2013, 04:14 PM
So, so sad to hear about Gary. You can't have been around 3FC for 5 minutes without seeing one of his upbeat, encouraging posts. I'm glad they'll have hospice to help but I feel so bad for his family.

Shannon - I didn't get a run in yesterday; due to a time crunch because I left work last, I had to do a DVD at home. So it's to the trail for me this afternoon! Which is fine, because it's warmer today than yesterday. :) Hey, are you running the Peachtree? I got a number and will be running my first!

Oh, and I don't know that coffee shop, but I've heard of the pizza place. In fact, my (still sort-of) BF has mentioned several times wanting to actually do that challenge. Ugh.

Today is Thursday. I've been on plan, food and exercise, since Tuesday. And only NOW is my body starting to feel as "normal" as it does when I am on plan all the time. That's 3 days of recovery from an overindulgent weekend (when I still exercised, by the way). I'm sure I'm up at least 1-2 real pounds but haven't been able to face the scale yet.

THIS ISN'T WORTH IT! Why can't I remember that?

So, this weekend includes a dinner with a friend at a Mexican place (her celebration, her choice) and a weekend traveling to Charlotte to visit an old college friend. I will be on plan. These are great things, but aren't worth derailing my health over. I can make smart choices and I can certainly deal with not eating tortilla chips. :)

I'll probably need to check in here a few times to remind myself of the tough love.

Have a good Thursday, everyone! Off to run.

Shannon in ATL
03-28-2013, 04:50 PM
Jen - I did get into the Peachtree, yes. I usually am an ATC member with guaranteed entry, but this year I threw my hat into the lottery and got in. Now we'll see if I'm ready by then. LOL It is much warmer today than yesterday, but we have the art show at school with DSS tonight so I had to get my run out yesterday. And - the pizza at Big Pie is actually pretty darn good. The Carnivore Challenge is pretty terrifying.

I spent an hour and a half today helping move boxes at storage, and feel like I lifted heavy weights for a full workout. I've let myself fall way out of shape... came back here, changed clothes for tonight's art show. Looks like XW won't be there after all, but I'm still going to be all cute. Two of my coworkers went to visit our pie baker this morning and came back with a box of fried pies. Brought me one in and put it on my desk. I avoided it for a while, then some stress came up and I got worked up over it. Next thing you know I looked down at the desk and had eaten half the pie. With no memory of eating it. Ah, the patterns we set in our minds...

saef
03-28-2013, 09:50 PM
Two of my coworkers went to visit our pie baker this morning and came back with a box of fried pies. Brought me one in and put it on my desk. I avoided it for a while, then some stress came up and I got worked up over it. Next thing you know I looked down at the desk and had eaten half the pie. With no memory of eating it. Ah, the patterns we set in our minds...

Shannon, what is a fried pie, pray tell, so I can reconstruct the accident correctly in my mind? And I also used to have out-of-body eating experiences, though not recently. What I have now are dreams in which I eat something mindlessly and then wake up feeling really guilty, like you do when, on the next day, you first encounter the person you had an erotic dream about.

And JenMusic, my definition of feeling self-exiled and excluded is now sitting in Mexican restaurants in the Santa Fe vicinity while all my friends plunge their hands into the chip bowl and then into the tableside-mixed guacamole. At every restaurant meal for five days straight this kept happening over & over, because I agreed with everyone's insistence that we ought to eat the local cuisine whenever possible. I ended the trip without having ingested a single chip, and three pounds lighter than when I rode the plane out there, which I suppose ought to be counted as a victory, but at some deeper spiritual level, I don't actually think I am a better person for it.

Shannon in ATL
03-28-2013, 10:21 PM
Saef - hmm... How to describe our fried pie. We make our own in restaurant from scratch at our flagship using our own machine, this vendor makes for our outlying locations and we fry them on site. It is a pastry dough, rolled out into a circle. We then put in a ladle of hot diced apple filling or peach filling (fruit, sugar, spices, like a pie filling I guess), fold the dough over into a crescent and crimp the edges. Drop it in the deep fryer in a special basket and voila, fried pie. They are individual pies, like turnovers I suppose. McDonald's used to sell something similar, but they bake theirs now. Then ones today were demos from the vendor - we had chocolate, key lime, cream cheese and pecan. Mine was cream cheese, also covered in a sugary glaze like a thinner, handmade version of the glaze on a Krispy Kreme.
I can't make this pic load in directly, but you can see our peach pie here. (http:// http://www.flickr.com/photos/deepfriedkudzu/151964139/) It made it into the Better Homes and Gardens 'things to do before you die' book a few years ago.

Steph7409
03-28-2013, 11:29 PM
Chocolate fried pie - my idea of heaven.

Lots of bulbs starting to come up in my garden but I haven't had time to enjoy them. And my yard looks horrible this year, as my fence really crumbled over the winter. But it's nice to have at least a glimpse of spring.

Shannon in ATL
03-29-2013, 11:24 AM
Steph - I tried one of the chocolate ones last year, it was divine I must admit. How are you doing? Have you been able to get any rest?

I've now exercised 5 days in a row - I'm counting the boxes from yesterday as exercise, it was hard work. I have a healthy meal in the slow cooker for when I get home, so I'm on track for five days of mostly healthy eating (outside of the pie yesterday.)

JenMusic
03-29-2013, 12:57 PM
Shannon, way to go on 5 days in a row! Here's to keeping up the streak! :)

My run yesterday was awful. Slow and painful indeed - I had lower leg cramps, which, for some reason, always happens when my nutrition has been off. The next run will be better. I managed to run 3.25 with some walking intervals for a total of 4 miles.

saef, I've eaten at the main restaurant of where Shannon works and seen the fried pies. For some reason apple pie is one of the 3-4 sweets that doesn't appeal to me, so I've never been tempted, but you better believe they look amazing. And a chocolate pie would be hard to pass up.

As for those tortilla chips (or birthday cake, or breadbasket, or snacks a parties, whatever) I've often wondered if people realize how often my gaze returns to them. How, on the outside, I'm paying attention to conversation and completely at ease with not eating whatever yummy carb is on the table, but inside I'm definitely not comfortable. Depending n my mood and level of huger, my discomfort ranges from "I wish I could eat that" to "You're not really hungry, don't do it" to "NO! NO! NO!"

Shannon in ATL
03-29-2013, 01:02 PM
Jen - the peach is so much better than the apple, IMO. Just sharing my food porn with everyone today. LOL

Oh I do the same thing with chips on the table when we are out with friends. On the outside I'm having a pleasant conversation, on the inside I'm staring at the basket, counting how many of the few chips that I'll allow myself I've already eaten, then desperately fighting with my head to not reach for more. It is easier in a large group, when it is just DH and I out I lose track sometimes.

JenMusic
03-29-2013, 04:30 PM
Peach doesn't do it for me either. :) Now cherry, on the other hand . . .

Lunch was at the local food truck park - meeting yet another friend. I made what I think was a good choice: 3 different meatballs on lettuce wraps. One was lamb, one was pork, and one was beef. Each meatball was right around or maybe a little smaller than golfball sized and had some veggies and a little cheese and sauce. I guesstimated calories but really have no idea . . . maybe 250 per? Eh, who knows. It wasn't ruinous for my daily calories, is all I know.

The funny part is traffic got me there late and lunch wasn't until 1:30, which means my 5pm Mexican dinner shouldn't be nearly as challenging. In fact, if I'm not hungry, I'm not going to eat. That's what "normal" people do, right? Then I can have some Greek yogurt and berries later in the evening and call it a day.

Sorry for the boring food post, but I need this to keep me on track for this weekend of food!

bargoo
03-29-2013, 04:48 PM
I have never had fried pie or even seen one, but I love peach pie so I imagine I would go for the fried peach pie , too. I am sure a fried cherry pie would come in as a close second maybe even tie for first place. Apple would be my least favorite but I can force myself.

CherryPie99
03-29-2013, 04:57 PM
Peach doesn't do it for me either. :) Now cherry, on the other hand . . .



Why, thank you :p

JenMusic
03-29-2013, 05:18 PM
:lol:

I get this from my dad. Once, a few years ago when I was changing my eating habits, I asked him if he wanted some of my fruit. He looked at me and said, "Jennifer, have you ever seen me eat any fruit that isn't in cherry pie form?" And, come to think of it, I never have! :)

bargoo
03-29-2013, 05:51 PM
Speaking of pie, a few years ago a loved and elderly member of my church congregation passed away. In announcing when his service would be held the Pastor said there would be a reception after the service. He went on to say that there would be no cake at the reception as Jack's favorite dessert was pie , he always said " there only two kinds of pie, pie and more pie."

alinnell
03-29-2013, 06:15 PM
When having large gatherings for Thanksgiving, my mom (or now I) make several pies--usually five or six. Upon hearing the selection, my dad would always say "yes" so we'd have to give him small slices of each!

Steph7409
03-29-2013, 11:24 PM
All this talk of pie is making me think about getting out my mini pie maker. All I've used it for is wee quiches and a "festival of pies" with a friend last Thanksgiving (mashed potato pie, stuffing pie, and apple pie - carbapalooza!). I'm wondering how some bittersweet chocolate chips and walnuts would be - a gooey mess? I believe some experimentation is in order.

All my dad wants to eat is sweet stuff, so I'm going to stop at the diner near the hospital tomorrow and get him a piece of lemon meringue pie. He really enjoyed it last time. Oh, and I need to get him a chocolate bunny too. I can't believe Easter is Sunday!

neurodoc
03-30-2013, 01:25 AM
People, it is not a good sign when the last 10 posts on a weight loss forum all discuss pie :>)

I am currently in Seattle, on the 2nd of my back-to-back trips to the west coast. Not really complaining about the travel, but weight has gone from 122 to 126 since February, and I don't think it's a coincidence. Today, I skipped the belgian waffle at breakfast (watched every member of my family eat one) while I had oatmeal with blueberries. Lunch was also healthy, but by dinner my defenses were down, and when the kids clamored for gelato after dinner, I had a cup as well. I know we say this to each other a lot, but it seems totally unfair that I don't get "credit" for all the calories I don't eat, only penalized for the (relatively) few indulgences I do.

JenMusic
03-30-2013, 06:59 AM
neurodoc - I'll give you credit! :) And I agree. That's actually one of the principles of the Beck book, to give yourself credit. Unfortunately, I want credit in the form of an immediate loss on the scale or the looseness of my jeans. Grrrr.

Yesterday I didn't end up eating at the Mexican place - I still wasn't hungry, so had a diet coke (I have to keep some vices!) while my friend ate. After my Good Friday service I ended up eating some Greek yogurt with berries and flax and think, even with the guesstimated lunch calories, I was fine for the day.

This morning I weighed in at 124.8. Which is great, coming from 130 about 6 weeks ago, and also crappy, because I know I could have been lower by now if I hadn't gone off plan so many dadgum times. And it's still over my red line (123). This weekend WILL be on plan. No excuses. Mondays are my official weigh-in days and I really want to be around the same place.

And with that, friends, I'm off to work out, pack, and hit the road for Charlotte and my weekend with a college friend. She's on WW, herself, so hopefully she'll be my ally.

Enjoy your Saturday!

Mudpie
03-30-2013, 07:03 AM
Adding to the food porn - I guess. :shrug:

It's Easter weekend. My family has never been religious so Easter was about ham, decorating easter eggs (the coloured hardboiled kind) with my mom, and chocolate. We didn't do anything like egg hunts. I received my chocolate from my mom, on the dining room table Good Friday morning. :easter3:

I have no kids so I've adapted the program a bit to suit DH and me. We also celebrated the house closing (last Thursday) so it's all lumped together. Thursday night we had beer :hat: and chips. Yesterday I ate on plan and a bit less than usual to compensate for the previous night. Tonite I'm having a glass of wine and one ice cream dessert (which is a total of 350 extra cals after my ham, boiled tiny potatoes, and green beans dinner.)

Sunday I will have my one Belgian chocolate bunny. I have no idea how many cals he is and I don't really care. :bunny2:

I am not beating myself up for any of the treats/indulgences/ etc. I recognize them as such and am enjoying them in moderation. I know my weight will be up but it will come down.

For me, that is what maintenance is all about.

Dagmar :bunny:

BillBlueEyes
03-30-2013, 07:26 AM
I join JenMusic in giving you credit, neurodoc, for every single calorie that you didn't eat. My take is that's what 3FC is all about - our real-life friends couldn't bear to hear of each Belgium waffle (or Easter jellybean) skipped. Here's it's OK.

alinnell
03-30-2013, 02:03 PM
Steph, one of the pies my Mom was famous for was a chocolate walnut pit. Basically you follow the directions for a pecan pie, but instead of pecans you add chocolate chips and walnuts. It is really, good.

Easter for us means golf! I did buy DS a six-pack of Reese's PB Eggs, but that's about as far as we go. I did used to hide eggs for the kids, but as they grew older I'd use the plastic ones and put dollar bills in each--well all but a couple. There would be at least one $5, one $10 and one $20. Once they found all the eggs, but before they opened them, I would let them trade. So funny how almost every year they ended up with almost the exact same amount of money!

Anyway, our Easter dinner tomorrow night will be homemade cashew chicken salad (still need to pick up a rotisserie chicken, the grocery store didn't have any ready at 9 AM--wonder why? LOL) and homemade baked vegetable egg rolls. Something different and somewhat "cool" for the weather here. It's supposed to be 88 today (which isn't as cool as I wanted for the weekend, but at least it isn't 97!).

kittycat40
03-30-2013, 09:12 PM
credit from me also!

neurodoc
03-30-2013, 09:22 PM
Thank you for giving me credit. Yeah, not as good as actual weight loss, but I'll take what I can get.

I'm at Sakuracon today, with DH and all 3 boys. What a hoot seeing all these people in costume. Since I'm Jewish, this will be a great place to spend Easter, while everything is closed.

JenMusic
03-31-2013, 11:58 AM
Hey, all! Happy Easter, to those celebrating. It's still Passover, right, neurodoc? Happy Passover, if so. Er, sorry I don't know but should! :) In any case, enjoy the conference.

I'm still on my weekend trip. Yesterday was really, really fun and good. A workout before I left home, lots of walking around downtown and a huge mall, and relatively clean eats. We did do sushi for dinner (both a money and calorie splurge that I rarely indulge in) but I stuck with edamame, some tuna sashimi, and one rather plain (but delicious!) roll. I did have one piece of my friend's roll, all loaded up with spicy mayo and tempura avocado and all that stuff. It was also yummy, but also sort of . . . too much. I couldn't eat a whole roll of that without some tummy trouble.

Today I've run 4.3 miles on the hotel treadmill and made some good choices at the hotel breakfast buffet. That was around 10, and because we're going to see a show this afternoon (my first time seeing Wicked) it'll be close to 5 before I get another meal. My own fake version of IF. :)

Could this be (gasp!) a weekend on plan?!? Let's hope so!

Have a good Sunday, everyone!

Exhale15
03-31-2013, 07:16 PM
Happy Easter All !

You know, the past few days I've had some employment-related stressors and have been eating like in the bad-old-days.

While the first day brought some comfort, I'm now realizing how stressing the 'old' way of eating actually is.

I feel inundated, like there's a huge wave of food that my system has to deal with. And the stuff I've been eating isn't so appealing anymore. And although I'm just 2 pounds up, I'm puffy and my skin looks funky.

I miss the 'newer' old me. I miss liking my silhouette, I miss my non-puffy eyelids, I miss feeling light inside.

saef
03-31-2013, 07:59 PM
Happy Easter to those who celebrate.

I woke up to a clear, bright though slightly frosty morning, well before my visiting mother, who was sleeping in the next room. The apartment complex was so quiet and serene. After two cups of coffee, I decided to do one of my holiday morning runs. It feels good to be out and have the streets to myself on those mornings. No traffic, no people trekking toward the train station. My hands were really cold but a long-sleeved thermal shirt was warm enough. I ran along the Bronx River Parkway and did encounter other runners and dog walkers and some people doing both, running with leashed dogs. I went about 4.25 miles, according to MapMyRun, and felt great all along the way. I rarely run -- I think this was my first time in four or five months -- and am amazed at how good this felt, maybe because it wasn't a chore, it was a choice on my part.

Later, I went to the gym and lifted weights, but the run was definitely one of the best parts of my Easter.

Mudpie
04-01-2013, 06:28 AM
Happy Easter to those who celebrate.

I woke up to a clear, bright though slightly frosty morning, well before my visiting mother, who was sleeping in the next room. The apartment complex was so quiet and serene. After two cups of coffee, I decided to do one of my holiday morning runs. It feels good to be out and have the streets to myself on those mornings. No traffic, no people trekking toward the train station. My hands were really cold but a long-sleeved thermal shirt was warm enough. I ran along the Bronx River Parkway and did encounter other runners and dog walkers and some people doing both, running with leashed dogs. I went about 4.25 miles, according to MapMyRun, and felt great all along the way. I rarely run -- I think this was my first time in four or five months -- and am amazed at how good this felt, maybe because it wasn't a chore, it was a choice on my part.

Later, I went to the gym and lifted weights, but the run was definitely one of the best parts of my Easter.

It feels good to change up the routine sometimes. I too want to shake off the winter inertia and do something a bit different. I did a bunch of walking with DH this Easter weekend - trying to get him in the habit of going outside and moving.

He got a lighter, better condition used bike a couple of weeks ago. He got that bike fixed up and is ready to roll. I think I'll get him to do a ride with me next weekend, if the weather and my back co-operate. I think I will also go for a walk by myself, really early Sunday morning. I haven't had a chance to do that since New Year's Day and I think it'll be really nice to go through a local ravine and hear the birds waking up.

Dagmar :cool:

CherryPie99
04-01-2013, 09:54 AM
Happy Easter to those who celebrate.

I woke up to a clear, bright though slightly frosty morning, well before my visiting mother, who was sleeping in the next room. The apartment complex was so quiet and serene. After two cups of coffee, I decided to do one of my holiday morning runs. It feels good to be out and have the streets to myself on those mornings. No traffic, no people trekking toward the train station. My hands were really cold but a long-sleeved thermal shirt was warm enough. I ran along the Bronx River Parkway and did encounter other runners and dog walkers and some people doing both, running with leashed dogs. I went about 4.25 miles, according to MapMyRun, and felt great all along the way. I rarely run -- I think this was my first time in four or five months -- and am amazed at how good this felt, maybe because it wasn't a chore, it was a choice on my part.

Later, I went to the gym and lifted weights, but the run was definitely one of the best parts of my Easter.

As a runner myself, I am shocked that you were able to go 4.25 miles after not running for a while! Great job!! It sounds like a much better and more peaceful run then I had!

saef
04-01-2013, 11:12 AM
As a runner myself, I am shocked that you were able to go 4.25 miles after not running for a while! Great job!! It sounds like a much better and more peaceful run then I had!

Thanks, Jen. This is due to all my low-impact cardio conditioning: I spend 45-60 minutes every day doing some form of cardio, changing it up between spin classes, the stairmaster and the arc trainer or elliptical cranked to high resistance. So I've got the breath for it and at the doctor's office, I'm always told I've got an athlete's pulse rate. (They always ask: "Do you run?" No, but that's not the only form of cardio available, thank goodness.) On those rare occasions when I run, once I get used to the pounding and impact, and figure out a gait and a rhythm, it feels really, really good. The novelty of it keeps me engaged. But novelty is something that wears off rapidly. My feet and knees and hips wouldn't be able to withstand the stress of running weekly. If I were 10 years younger, I'd give it a try.

Shannon in ATL
04-01-2013, 11:29 AM
Saef - I'm glad that you enjoyed your run! I also have a runner's pulse rate at the doctor, it helps when I've been off for a while. LOL

Exhale - I'm sorry that you are having a hard time. I've found that the bad foods don't make me feel good like they used to any more.

Dagmar - I hope DH rides with you next week!

I'm having a pretty good day today. It is Opening Day for baseball, so out first game tonight is at 7:10. I'm going to try to get a run in before it starts and then have something terrible for me for dinner.

JenMusic
04-01-2013, 12:53 PM
Hello, everyone! saef- I echo what Jen said about running 4+ miles after a hiatus: Even with good cardio conditioning, that's hard! I'm glad it was a peaceful time. I love my early morning runs but, because I refuse to run alone in the dark, I don't get them all that often and have to settle for afternoon runs instead.

Shannon, do you have season tickets? I'm not too into baseball, but BF is a huge Braves fan. I've enjoyed the games I've gone to.

Exhale - I absolutely hate the way I look and feel after eating my old "bad" foods. Puffy and tight, my joints ache and I get headaches (from large overindulgences). And yet, still I occasionally do it. I'm working on it.

I weighed in the morning at 125. More significantly to me, I was on plan all weekend. Woo hoo!! So it CAN be done. Yay. I'm really happy how I built in some small "treats" over the weekend (a frozen yogurt cone at Ikea, sushi one night) without letting it become an excuse to go crazy and overeat all weekend. Darn my black and white thinking.

JenMusic
04-03-2013, 08:57 AM
Did I kill the thread? :) Sounds like something I would do!

I hope everyone is doing well and hanging in there. The week has been going well for me so far - food choices and movement, at least - and I was thinking how much easier it is for me when the sun is out. Thank you, sunshine! I don't know if it's Vitamin D or serotonin or what it is, but I need it in my life!

bargoo
04-03-2013, 09:18 AM
Did I kill the thread? :) Sounds like something I would do!

I hope everyone is doing well and hanging in there. The week has been going well for me so far - food choices and movement, at least - and I was thinking how much easier it is for me when the sun is out. Thank you, sunshine! I don't know if it's Vitamin D or serotonin or what it is, but I need it in my life!

No, you didn't kill the thread, it is still alive and well as am I.....well, alive anyway. I'm with you on the sunshine. My disposition is much improved when the sun is out. At the same time I don't want it to be too hot. Picky.

saef
04-03-2013, 09:44 AM
I wasn't on the thread as I really didn't want to put my weight in. I didn't like seeing 147.1 between my toes on the digital scale yesterday morning. Yes, at least it's lower than it was this time last week. And no, I didn't eat anything sweet for Easter. But I keep clinging to my denial, telling myself it's fluid retention because I felt as sore, stiff and in need of oiling in the joints as the Tin Man in the original "Wizard of Oz" movie because of the previous day's workout with the trainer, in which we worked my oblique muscles pretty hard.

Shannon in ATL
04-03-2013, 10:52 AM
I'm here!

No Jen, we don't have season tickets. My company does, but there is some drama with them this year I think. We get tickets and try to go down when we can, but more often than not we watch the games at home where we can make our own snacks and not have to deal with the traffic. :)

Bargoo - how did your treatment go Monday?

Saef - I also feel stiff and sore from workouts, I'm hoping it clears up soon.

I'm tired today - I love the sunshine and the pretty blooming things, but the pollen wears me down. I have exercised all of the last 9 days, so I'm proud of that! Weight isn't moving at all, but I'm hoping some of that is the stiff and sore I mentioned.

alinnell
04-03-2013, 10:53 AM
Did I kill the thread? :) Sounds like something I would do!


That made me laugh! A few years back we had a Thread Killers thread. I think that's where I first "met" Gary.

bargoo
04-03-2013, 11:14 AM
That made me laugh! A few years back we had a Thread Killers thread. I think that's where I first "met" Gary.

Allison the Threadkillers thread is still going but barely limping along.

Shannon, Monday's medical visit was OK, nothing unusual. I was kind of surprised at another patient who actually screamed when the nurse inserted the needle in her vein. This was the same nurse that hooked me up and inserted the same type needle. I felt it but didn't think it deserved a scream. I was raised with the mantra "big girls don't cry" that must be the difference,

traveling michele
04-03-2013, 11:31 AM
Shannon-- bravo on the exercising! I'm with you with the coffee this morning. It needs to kick in!

Saef-- I always believe that soreness equates to fluid retention in the muscles. That's my story anyway and I'm sticking to it.

Regarding Easter sweets. I thought I had escaped them fully. We flew home from our cruise on Easter and our girls aren't here so no presents to give. We came home to Easter goodies from the petsitter though! She gave the puppies some toys and left Cadbury Eggs and Reese's Pieces. I was going to throw them away but dh is enjoying them in the evenings-- he can eat just a few unlike me!

Speaking of dh's and weight. Dh said to me-- "I think I gained what you did on the cruise". I asked what he gained and he said 2 pounds. Ha!!! He couldn't believe I gained almost 8. I'm sure his will be gone eons before mine too.

Shannon in ATL
04-03-2013, 11:32 AM
I remember the Threadkillers thread. I used to pop in and read it. I wonder if the baseball thread is out there this year without Gary to start it? I find myself running into things that make me think of him often.

Bargoo - I have the 'big girls don't cry' mindset, too. Maybe the woman just wasn't prepared for it and was startled? My uncle went for his first chemo treatment last week, they put a port in for it so new needle at that visit. It took close to five hours though and he wasn't prepared for that - I'm sure the doctor told them, they just didn't absorb it. He has another one next week and is a little more prepared for the time involved.

BillBlueEyes
04-03-2013, 01:08 PM
The baseball chat thread continues and welcomes baseball fans:
Baseball Chat Thread (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/general-chatter/278781-major-league-baseball-chat.html)

The thread killer thread is a single fun joke that's out run it's course many times. 'Limping along' is a kind description. Feel free to post:
Thread Killers XXVIII (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/games/278013-threadkillers-xxviii.html)

They are two of the places enlivened by Gary. I do miss the old guy.

Shannon in ATL
04-03-2013, 01:11 PM
I found the baseball thread, thanks Bill! I need to pop back in there and stick around this time.

JenMusic
04-04-2013, 05:25 AM
Good morning! Glad to see people are sticking their heads in.

I'm up about an hour earlier than usual because I have some things going on tonight and this is my only chance to work out. My early morning workouts are never the best, but they get done.

This weekend I'm heading out of town to see my family - parents, sister, and her husband and two boys - and my mom wants to go to a hibachi grill all together. That should be fun, but I know it will be a calorie bomb. I won't eat the rice, just chicken and veggies without the sauce. I haven't been to a hibachi in years so I'm not going to stress about it, plus my nephews (who are 6 and 9) should love it, so I'll try to be more interested in the entertainment factor. :)

OK, I've delayed my DVD long enough. Off to let a perky blond woman yell at me for 30 minutes.

alinnell
04-04-2013, 10:14 AM
I hate those perky blonde women who yell at you this early in the morning! I can handle it in the afternoon or evening, though!

Anyone recommend a good yoga DVD?

I lost weight! I made a salad for dinner last night--organic baby greens, leftover rotisserie chicken and some golden raisins, glazed pecans and gorgonzola cheese. Quite yummy. I think that will be a staple at least one night a week this spring and summer. And I love that Costco's rotisserie chickens are bigger and less expensive than the grocery store. I'll buy two this weekend.

traveling michele
04-04-2013, 11:12 AM
Yummy Allison! That sounds delish. I've never tried the Costco chickens... hmmmm....

My scale whoosh the other day boomeranged back. Oh well. I think my tummy issues have resolved though, so that's good.

JayZeeJay
04-04-2013, 08:46 PM
Sigh...

It sounds like a few others may be in my boat - the "does the scale actually say THAT???" ship of horror. I was going to face the music and get a ticker that actually says it. But I can't do it. So I will quietly say it here.
(146)

It is the most I have weighed in six months.

Oh well, I am alive, somewhat healthy, and my sources of stress are things like my job, that other people might be glad to have. Until they actually started here! :)

alinnell
04-04-2013, 09:38 PM
Sigh...

It sounds like a few others may be in my boat - the "does the scale actually say THAT???" ship of horror. I was going to face the music and get a ticker that actually says it. But I can't do it. So I will quietly say it here.
(146)

It is the most I have weighed in six months.

Oh well, I am alive, somewhat healthy, and my sources of stress are things like my job, that other people might be glad to have. Until they actually started here! :)

Oh, hugs! It'll get better, really it will.

But if you're saying it, so will I.
(156)

Ugh.

CherryPie99
04-04-2013, 09:54 PM
I hate those perky blonde women who yell at you this early in the morning! I can handle it in the afternoon or evening, though!

Anyone recommend a good yoga DVD?

I lost weight! I made a salad for dinner last night--organic baby greens, leftover rotisserie chicken and some golden raisins, glazed pecans and gorgonzola cheese. Quite yummy. I think that will be a staple at least one night a week this spring and summer. And I love that Costco's rotisserie chickens are bigger and less expensive than the grocery store. I'll buy two this weekend.


Rodney Yee has fantastic Yoga DVD's for all levels - I have 3 so far!!

Shannon in ATL
04-04-2013, 10:50 PM
JayZ, I have a ticker but am above it. So I'll say it with you and Allison.
(146)

Jen - I'll be exercising at 6:30 tomorrow morning. With a perky computer voice yelling at me to move my butt. Woo.

neurodoc
04-04-2013, 11:35 PM
Jen, I consider hibachi food a bit hight in salt but usually very reasonable calorie-wise. Ours gives teeny, 2/3 c. bowls of rice with the huge portions of stir-fried veggies and about 6 oz of chicken or beef. Even with a tbsp or two of oil, I think the food comes out to way less than 600 cal. for dinner. Just sayin' you may have nothing to feel guilty about (unless you down 2 cocktails before dinner :>))

As for me, I'm back from Seattle. Got in a couple of good runs and I did some body-weight training as well. Since I also passed up most of the many indulgences my family consumed, I didn't gain any weight though by all rights I should have lost some. I'm beginning to think 126 is my new normal, which is absolutely unacceptable.

In Seattle, I took the kids to the local science museum, where they had a big exhibit on healthy habits, including diet and exercise. I was impressed how detailed the information was, and what a child-friendly format it was presented in. For example, plasticized kid-friendly food (a serving of spaghetti and tomato sauce; a glass of chocolate milk; whole fruit, etc) shown on both small serving-ware and big plates/bowls/glasses to demonstrate how easy it is to fool yourself into thinking you're eating less than you are if the plate is oversize. Or a trampoline that you can bounce on, which weighs you, counts your bounces and tells you how many calories you've burned, then translates the calories into fractions of a slice of pizza. They even had a section on how important it is to get enough sleep, with a short video of 2 kids sitting in a grade-school classroom, one of whom is drooping forward in his chair not paying attention and the other is enthusiastically learning about the solar system. My oldest DS, after wandering around for about 20 min. said "mom, how did you send them all your propaganda"? Gotta love those smart-alecky teens.

traveling michele
04-05-2013, 02:10 AM
Andrea-- LOL at your son's comments! How old is he?

BillBlueEyes
04-05-2013, 06:29 AM
Kudos for that science museum in Seattle for backing up your "propaganda." LMAO at your "smart-alecky teen," Andrea.

My goal lately is to stop the minor over-eating at special occasions. I allow myself to indulge when encountering 'rare and unusual' foods - so I won't feel denied. Naturally, I use all trillion neurons to define more and more foods as such. Last night I passed on baked Camembert at a reception. I need a few thousand calories more of diligence.

JenMusic
04-05-2013, 09:14 AM
Allison - I'll need to check out those rotisserie chickens next time I'm at Costco. I could freeze some in portions and use for my lunches at work. I like that idea.

Andrea - Thanks for the info about the hibachi! I would probably avoid the rice altogether anyway, so it seems doable. I did find out that I could order from the sushi menu, so I may play it by ear - do I feel more like hibachi or more like a rainbow roll? :)

Jen - I've seen the Rodney Yee DVDs and appreciate your recommendation. Does he give enough instruction for a yoga newbie?

Shannon - I exercised this morning, too, and only wanted to punch the instructor in the face once or twice. :)

Here's a funny image for you all - a little gift for your Friday. :) I did strength training on Wednesday and this morning my left glute is considerably more sore than my right. All I can think is that I definitely need to make sure this doesn't happen again or I will be sitting lopsided for the rest of my life. :lol:

Have a great Friday, everyone!

CherryPie99
04-05-2013, 09:56 AM
Jen - I've seen the Rodney Yee DVDs and appreciate your recommendation. Does he give enough instruction for a yoga newbie?



I think so! Although so much of Yoga involves facing down or in other positions not designed to be looking at a TV screen, you might have to stand up and watch some stuff before actually trying it!

Shannon in ATL
04-05-2013, 10:32 AM
JenM - Rodney Yee is fantastic - some are more advanced without as much instruction, but many are beginner to intermediate with lots of info. I also like Tom Morley from exercisetv.tv and Jason Crandall from Yoga Journal. I have only been able to find their stuff on podcast, but it is out there.

Andrea - DS's comment made me snicker.

Bill - passing up the Camembert was a good call. It is that type of snacking that kills me, when I don't think about how much I'm eating because it is small and sometimes on a cracker.

Allison - I have never had the rotisserie chicken from Costco, I need to check that out.

I stayed up after getting breakfast and lunch ready for DSS and exercised. 25 minutes with my barbell, 15 minutes of hard kickboxing and 30 minutes on the elliptical. I had that 'legs collapsing under me' feel when I got off the elliptical, which is nice. I'm so much more productive when I don't go back to sleep on the school mornings when we have DSS the night before and I have to get him ready and I'm on a streak of staying up and exercising now the last three weeks. We only typically have him one weeknight per week, though. I imagine that if he were with us more I would fall back into bed more often. LOL

alinnell
04-05-2013, 12:00 PM
Thanks Jen! I have Rodney Yee's Yoga for Beginners on order from Amazon!

Weight is slowly going down. But at least it is going down!

Shannon in ATL
04-06-2013, 12:06 PM
My weight is very stubbornly not moving. For weeks. Even with better diet and exercise. Bah.

bargoo
04-06-2013, 12:40 PM
Have any of you tried the Frozen Greek Yogurt ? It is delicious. 100 calories in a 4 ounce tub, made by Healthy Choice.

alinnell
04-06-2013, 08:01 PM
Have any of you tried the Frozen Greek Yogurt ? It is delicious. 100 calories in a 4 ounce tub, made by Healthy Choice.

I tried it. I wasn't that impressed. I think I'd rather have regular yogurt instead.

CherryPie99
04-06-2013, 08:23 PM
I freeze regular nonfat yogurt and have one for a snack every night.

alinnell
04-06-2013, 09:47 PM
Went to Costco today and bought two rotisserie chickens at $4.99 each! I thought they were $5.99. A huge savings over the grocery stores that sell smaller versions for $7.99 and $8.99 for organic or free range or something. It took only 15 minutes to pull all the meat off of the bones. Then DH and I had great spinach and chicken salads for lunch. YUM!

Shannon in ATL
04-07-2013, 07:05 PM
I love frozen greek yogurt, haven't tried the healthy choice but have had the Stoneyfield Farms which is fantastic.

saef
04-07-2013, 09:03 PM
I've been ravenously hungry for the past week, maybe due to stepping up my strength training. The scale reflected this: Up about a pound from one Friday to another.

I am not feeling too much self-recrimination, though, as today when I saw a woman at the gym who'd spent the winter in Florida, she told me that I looked great. Also, my spring clothes fit or are loose, particularly in the waist. I don't know what's going on here exactly but I'll take it.

Mudpie
04-08-2013, 06:36 AM
I've been ravenously hungry for the past week, maybe due to stepping up my strength training. The scale reflected this: Up about a pound from one Friday to another.

I am not feeling too much self-recrimination, though, as today when I saw a woman at the gym who'd spent the winter in Florida, she told me that I looked great. Also, my spring clothes fit or are loose, particularly in the waist. I don't know what's going on here exactly but I'll take it.

:woohoo: re your spring clothes and the compliment. Glad you're accepting them!

Dagmar :dizzy:

traveling michele
04-08-2013, 11:21 AM
I've been ravenously hungry for the past week, maybe due to stepping up my strength training. The scale reflected this: Up about a pound from one Friday to another.

I am not feeling too much self-recrimination, though, as today when I saw a woman at the gym who'd spent the winter in Florida, she told me that I looked great. Also, my spring clothes fit or are loose, particularly in the waist. I don't know what's going on here exactly but I'll take it.

Good for you Saef for accepting the compliment and not focusing so much on the number. Kudos to you for that. I had a volunteer help me last Thursday. She asked what I did over Spring Break and when I told her I went on a cruise-- she said, "Wow! You went on a cruise and you're still skinny?! Most people gain on a cruise!". She didn't believe that I gained 8 pounds on my cruise. So, in my eyes I'm looking huge. Maybe everyone else doesn't always see what I see. I have to remember that.

JenMusic
04-08-2013, 12:49 PM
The frozen yogurt was mentioned on the previous page, which might mean no one cares anymore, :) but I also love the Stoneyfield Farms stuff. The "After Dark Chocolate" is 100 cals per 1/2 cup and very rich.

Jen, I've never tried to freeze regular Greek yogurt. What the texture like?

My weekend was good. It was my last weekend of traveling (3 in a row!) and this was with family for birthday celebrations. The hibachi was Saturday night. I had a small portion of fried rice and gave the rest to my dad. :) Dessert, instead of the pie my mom made, was fresh strawberries. I know I was over calories for the day but there was no careening off the rails, so I'll take it. Then, this morning, I weighed in at 124.4! That's the lowest "for real" number I've seen since I re-entered weigh loss mode.

As for what others see - I have NO IDEA what I look like. None. I don't trust my body image the slightest iota. I regularly feel just as overweight as I was when I started. Occasionally it's the other way, where I feel as though I look healthy and slim and "normal," but most of the time I'm convinced my belly is all people can see, or that my face looks puffy. Eh.

Hope everyone's Monday is going well!

traveling michele
04-08-2013, 01:20 PM
As for what others see - I have NO IDEA what I look like. None. I don't trust my body image the slightest iota. I regularly feel just as overweight as I was when I started. Occasionally it's the other way, where I feel as though I look healthy and slim and "normal," but most of the time I'm convinced my belly is all people can see, or that my face looks puffy. Eh.

Hope everyone's Monday is going well!

I can so much relate to this. I sure wish there was a way to "fix" our minds. Is there a great book out there that I don't know about?

Shannon in ATL
04-08-2013, 01:26 PM
Jen, this is me too. I went and had a girls day brunch with some friends yesterday, one of whom is a photographer and one is my hairdresser. The even came about because the two of them needed new head shots for things, so it became an event where we all came over, got makeup and hair done and pictures taken. At one point we were taking a pic of all three of us and my hairdresser says to me 'let's put the skinny one in the middle'! And the entire time I had been feeling uncomfortable and bloated and didn't think I looked skinny at all. And the pictures look really good (or as good as I ever think pictures of me look.) All about perspective.

alinnell
04-08-2013, 01:31 PM
Jen, this is me too. I went and had a girls day brunch with some friends yesterday, one of whom is a photographer and one is my hairdresser. The even came about because the two of them needed new head shots for things, so it became an event where we all came over, got makeup and hair done and pictures taken. At one point we were taking a pic of all three of us and my hairdresser says to me 'let's put the skinny one in the middle'! And the entire time I had been feeling uncomfortable and bloated and didn't think I looked skinny at all. And the pictures look really good (or as good as I ever think pictures of me look.) All about perspective.

I saw that picture. It was very cute!

Shannon in ATL
04-08-2013, 02:31 PM
Thanks Alison! There are more that she is still working on of me in different outfits. I'm hoping one turns out well enough to print for DH's desk.

JayZeeJay
04-08-2013, 02:44 PM
I too have little grasp on how I appear to the outside world. In general, I still have my 160-pound self in my mind, so most pictures seem to show me skinnier than I feel. Except...I went biking with a few friends and then we stopped for beers afterward and someone took pictures. Seeing myself in black tights, black socks and flip flops (and from the rear, no less) was enough to make me put down my drink.

CherryPie99
04-08-2013, 04:08 PM
Jen, I've never tried to freeze regular Greek yogurt. What the texture like?



I haven't tried with Greek yogurt, but I do it with Yoplait, Walmart brand, and Dannon Lite N Fit.

Some of them come out a little crunchy, but the Walmart brand Banana Cream Pie and Key Lime Pie are SOOOOOOO good!

I freeze them and then take them out about 90 minutes before I want to eat them so they are just starting to melt and their consistency is close to ice cream!

JenMusic
04-08-2013, 04:30 PM
I sense an experiment for dessert tonight! :) I usually eat 3/4 cup of plain Greek yogurt after dinner as my dessert - I love the stuff. I add in some berries and/or flaxseed. But if I could get ice cream consistency out of this . . . yum!

I went through a phase where I would freeze the little pudding cups and eat those. 60 cals and pretty good, but too small for me. :)

JayZeeJay
04-08-2013, 07:41 PM
I went through a phase where I would freeze the little pudding cups and eat those. 60 cals and pretty good, but too small for me. :)

Yah, me too. One pudding cup did nothing except alert my taste buds to the possible presence of more chocolate in the house.

Shannon in ATL
04-09-2013, 10:10 AM
I've tried to freeze greek yogurt and it always comes out crunchy - maybe I need to take it out early to thaw some first. I don't usually remember to do that.

kittycat40
04-09-2013, 10:49 AM
Yah, me too. One pudding cup did nothing except alert my taste buds to the possible presence of more chocolate in the house.

:D 100% agree

Actually came here for accountability. Need/want to get a "long run" in, as I have this half marathon on May5 or 6, not sure if it is sat or sun

Plan on hearing from me confirming I have done it :carrot:

traveling michele
04-09-2013, 11:37 AM
Go Kitty, Go! Did you do it?

I may need some accountability myself. I think I'm going to have to kick it up a notch. I'm giving myself this week (while dh is still here) to get back to 125. If I don't do it (not likely as my weight isn't moving), next week will be serious!

Older dd finally got back to Spokane at 1 am last night. Poor thing (with Owen) was traveling all day. She threw dh and me off as we had to talk to her, help her calm down as flights were delayed, etc. Our next step is up to the state of Texas-- she's submitted her paperwork-- they can:
1. say they won't accept her as a teacher ever (not likely)
2. they accept her paperwork but need her to take the Texas test (and she would have to GO TO TEXAS to take it) (quite possible but we are hoping not necessary)
3. they accept her paperwork and give her a year's provisional license meaning she will have a year in which to take the test-- we are praying for this outcome because it would then make her applications valid so she could begin job searching in earnest.

They say their decisions can take "up to 6-12 weeks" so we are certainly hoping it is sooner rather than later. She would love to be able to contact the schools that were interested in her before they fill the positions.

Dd wants me to go with her to Houston for the next round of job hunting since things went so far awry with her grandparents. She has anxiety and it was just so far ramped up. I don't know how I'll take the time off from work but I'll figure it out somehow (probably unpaid with an unhappy boss and school)....
Younger dd called us last night with some good news. She has never had a "real" job but has babysit for years for a wonderful family that pays her very well. She told them that she would be available to babysit this summer but would also be looking for a job (she had hinted before that she would love to work for the dad as he owns several law practices)-- they contacted her last night and asked her to work in one of their offices for the summer! Hooray! She doesn't know which one, how many hours, or any details, but it will be a real job that she can put on her resume! And hopefully one that she can do each summer while she's in college. So, that's great. But, she also told dh she needs help moving out of her dorm in May which is really going to complicate things. She finishes right about the same time that older dd "graduates"-- I put it in quotes because she walks in May (for her masters) but her program goes until July. So now we have to figure out how to help her move from Arizona back to California while also being in Spokane for graduation/ going to a specialist in Seattle with her.... and did I mention dh will be in China until then? So, our scheduling will be hectic....

Shannon in ATL
04-09-2013, 12:15 PM
I've been doing alright with the exercise the last two weeks (11 of 15 days), not so great with food this weekend. Yesterday was okay, today will be better.

Looking for your update from your run, kitty. :)

kittycat40
04-09-2013, 02:27 PM
I did about 7. But it took me sooooo long. I am not sure I can complete the 13.2 miles w/in the time given!!

Shannon in ATL
04-09-2013, 02:32 PM
You'll pick up some speed in the actual race from the adrenaline.

JenMusic
04-09-2013, 08:30 PM
Kitty - I second Shannon. I was amazed how much faster my pace was on my half, especially the first couple of miles. I had to remind myself to slow down so I wouldn't burn out. Congratulations on getting out there! Are you aiming for a specific time?

I ran yesterday and it was definitely starting to get warm! I'm going to miss chilly runs - trading those in for hot and humid and gross. :)

My food and exercise have been OP. Work swallowed me whole today - nonstop from 7, when I got in, to after 4 when I left. I have a big pile of essays waiting to be graded, which will definitely NOT happen tonight.

Tomorrow evening is a "feast" with my community group from church. There are about 10 of us, potluck style. I'm bringing chilled shrimp and a veggie tray (thank you Publix/Costco) and will oooh and ahhh over what others have brought, while trying to eat very little of it. :) I will be scoping out the desserts, though.

Speaking of dessert, I didn't try to freeze any Greek yogurt last night. But I did mix in some frozen berries into my regular after dinner Greek yogurt. I didn't blend, just stir them in, but it was still a nice cold treat.

Have a good evening, everyone! If I'm not going to grade, I need to at least do laundry. Grumble, grumble, grumble . . .

Mudpie
04-10-2013, 06:38 AM
michele just reading your post made my head want to explode - I can't imagine living through it - good luck! :crazy:

Dagmar :dizzy:

Shannon in ATL
04-10-2013, 01:15 PM
Michele - it is so hard to get certifications to transfer between states, I didn't think it was supposed to be that complicated. I hope that DD is able to take the test later with a provisional certificate.

Jen - I love frozen fruit in greek yogurt. Lately I've also been putting in unsweetened cocoa powder and a little honey. Yum.

JayZeeJay
04-10-2013, 07:43 PM
Michele - best of luck with everything, I hope the graduation ceremony is fun!

Weight back down to 143. Sigh of relief that I am going the right direction again. The warmer weather here is motivating, a reminder that shorts and tank tops are around the corner.

traveling michele
04-11-2013, 12:09 PM
During Bikram Yoga last night, I had a heart-to-heart talk with myself. I was trying to analyze what I can change/do differently as my weight continues to rise in general and my clothes either don't fit or are tight. One thing I decided is that I'm ADDICTED to the scale. I want to just not weigh at all for awhile but I know that would send me into a panic (mild OCD here), so I've made a deal with myself. I will only weigh myself once per day in the morning (I was weighing myself multiple times every day). Then, I will consider weaning myself down further-- perhaps 3 times a week and maybe eventually 1 time per week but I'm not making promises there! I consider it a small victory that I didn't weigh myself last night. I did weigh this morning (up a pound) and recorded it.

Yesterday was very challenging food wise and I'm getting really tired of all of the challenges. I mentioned the volunteer tea with all of the goodies that I avoided. Then, I got home after yoga and dh wanted to go to a hamburger joint. He could see I was dismayed at the idea and offered a salad place instead but he is leaving for China on Saturday and I know he really wanted a burger so we went there. I looked at the menu and then asked the waitress if there was ANYTHING healthy on the menu (I think I sounded rude!)... she pointed out a couple of not-too-horrible options. I went with a black bean burger on a wheat bun with mushrooms and onions (no sauce or cheese) and a side of broccolini (not on the menu) instead of fries. I considered it a win and expect the jump on the scale is sodium.

Today's goal is to track my food, not do any extra snacking and not weigh myself until tomorrow....

Shannon in ATL
04-11-2013, 08:31 PM
Michele - I'm right with you on the scale. And the good logging. I'm getting crazy, and it obviously isn't helping. I'm trying to limit my weighing and not obsessively log.

Mudpie
04-12-2013, 06:40 AM
Michele - I'm right with you on the scale. And the good logging. I'm getting crazy, and it obviously isn't helping. I'm trying to limit my weighing and not obsessively log.

I now weigh once a week. :goodscale: Daily weighing (our weights usually fluctuate by 2-5 lbs. each day) had become self-defeating for me. I know what to eat for my body to stay at a pretty constant weight and how to compensate for eating too much one day. I'm not ruled by the number on the scale and it's a big relief. :D

My particular body wants to weigh about 137 in the winter. I've given up fighting that :rollpin: and am much happier. When the warmer weather comes and I'm eating more salads and such I will be at a lower weight. I'm curious to see what my body decides that will be.

Dagmar :dunno:

JenMusic
04-12-2013, 09:54 AM
I went off the rails Wednesday (party) and Thursday (because I'd blown Wednesday I decided I'd just go ahead and blow Thursday, too!). Genius, I am.

Now I'm paying for it with lethargy, an icky feeling stomach, and massive sugar cravings. I don't weigh until Monday, which is good. That's 3 days to get back into gear.

Sigh. I was SO close to being back at or under my red line. Right now I'm focusing on the fact that I have lost real weigh in the last 8 weeks, and I haven't "blown it" with the last 2 days, and I can get in the groove again.

Two steps forward, one step back.

saef
04-12-2013, 10:10 AM
Up another pound. I was lower three weeks ago, before I added another day of weight training to my schedule, for a total of four days a week. And I've had a sluggish digestive system these past two weeks. I've also eaten richer dinners than usual, with lamb and prime rib left over from Easter, and a home-made curried chicken dish much of this week. Probably I need one week of carefully watched intake to figure out what's happened here among those three factors.

ETA: Anyway, time to true up the ticker and face the number.

traveling michele
04-12-2013, 11:35 AM
Sigh.... yes....
Operation scale addiction is working half way so far. I have only weighed myself once per day for the last three days. Win. However, each day I've been up. Fail. Sigh....

Dh leaves Saturday for China. I think I'll be doing some serious restricting and exercising when he's gone. I HATE running but I think I'll need to add that in. I've got the tough mudder coming in September and I need to get the extra weight off.

Shannon in ATL
04-12-2013, 02:30 PM
I've not gone over the edge with food, but I've eaten at maintenance the last couple of days. Combine that with a 400 calorie over maintenance day on Saturday, and even with exercise still no scale movement.

I'm pretty discouraged - after a month of exercise and decent food choices my weight is exactly the same. What it teaches me is that exercise doesn't matter at all and it is all about food for me. And really? I haven't overeaten much, just been close to maintenance range on average - over four weeks several 1200-1300 calorie days, a couple right at 1800, a couple at 2000-2400, etc. Average is at 1750ish. I don't know if I'm willing to go back into serious calorie counting and restriction. So maybe the answer for me is to let go of my current body image, try to shape up what is here a little bit and see what we see.

kittycat40
04-13-2013, 01:33 PM
Wow, it is so easy to eat 1200-1300 cals of chips in the blink of an eye.
I'm having one if those 'what was I thinking?' moments.

Also in a struggle. Ate 2400 cals pure carbs last night's dinner. Feeling bloated.

Ok.

Aware of my vicious carb addiction pathway.

2-3 days to break it.

Starting now.

Really. Will post back.

Good luck fellow maintainer travelers.

neurodoc
04-14-2013, 12:00 AM
Count me among those who are having a hard time right now. And I have the opposite problem to Michele. I hate to weigh when I know I've gained, and will avoid the scale for a few days in a row. I also hate to log my food (even if I don't overeat; just find it an onerous chore) but I need to do both of those things RELIGIOUSLY if I want to lose weight, and often, even if I just want to maintain. I managed to hold my weight steady in Seattle, then came home proud of myself and immediately blew it because my own pantry is sooo inviting, with all kinds of carbs that are ok in small portions but are super easy to overeat (like nuts, cereal and dried fruit). I had 4-5 days of overeating (like 500-600 calories extra/day) and went up 4 POUNDS. Awe inspiring. I swear I just have to look at food to gain weight. Now I'm hating myself, my pants feel tight and I can't bear to look at myself naked, even though objectively I know I don't look all that different.

I'm beginning to understand why some pretty high-achieving people have declared that weight maintenance is the hardest thing they ever did. And why so many of us regain it all. 2 1/2 years in, and I'm mentally exhausted from the incessant battle.

Momto2cs
04-14-2013, 12:25 AM
Hi there
Not sure if its ok to just jump in here...I usually follow the maintainers on a different thread.

Shannon. I am exactly the same. Exercise really seems to have no bearing on weight loss. Most trainers say its 80% nutrition/20% exercise, but I see as high as 90/10. I have tried doing tons of exercise and little exercise and it always seems to come down to what I eat.

JenMusic
04-14-2013, 08:08 AM
Hi there
Not sure if its ok to just jump in here...I usually follow the maintainers on a different thread.

Shannon. I am exactly the same. Exercise really seems to have no bearing on weight loss. Most trainers say its 80% nutrition/20% exercise, but I see as high as 90/10. I have tried doing tons of exercise and little exercise and it always seems to come down to what I eat.

Please jump in! Yes, I would agree with the 90/10 ratio. I exercise, and I do think it makes a difference in fitness and body composition, as well as in my mental health and motivation . . . BUT. I'm convinced it does absolutely NOTHING for my weight loss.

That being said, put me on the list of "I've screwed up with my food this week." I'm going to be avoiding the scale (because it'll mess with my head) and trying to get all this sugar out of my system. Grrrrr.

On the plus side, and something I'm trying to focus on: yesterday I ran 10k in a pretty good time (for me - I'm slow!) and then climbed a local mountain. Lots of activity and I felt physically very good. I just need to get my eating under control.

saef
04-14-2013, 12:36 PM
I've been fighting with myself for two days. Half of me wants to call the other half all kinds of nasty things for the five-pound weight gain over the past month. And then that other half looks at all the exercise that I do, all the things that I turned down this past week, and feels I'm among the damn@d, rather than the saved, and I feel so sorry for myself for having to put in three times the work without even getting anywhere near the results. But look, I did that to myself by getting so fat and staying that way for decades.

Also, I've been chastising myself on the ridiculous amount of money that I spent getting my hair done yesterday. What with the baliage, the glaze, the cut and blow dry, the tip for Patrick and the tip for the assistant who washed my hair ... I had one of those moments at the register when the person cashing you in gives you a total and you are momentarily taken aback, but try not to show it. Patrick's new salon is more costly than the one he left. I'm probably paying for atmosphere, decor and prestige.

What is the cost of my vanity? Between nail salon visits, hairdresser, the weekly personal training session and the sunk cost of time that I clock at the gym daily?

This weekend, I've rebelled in a very small way from my routine and have been up past 10 PM and sleeping till 6 AM. Today I got up and thought, "It's sunny. And I really want to run for Gary, rather than going to spin." So that's what I did. And then did my weight routine. This is going to sound really weird, but because I got up so late, and therefore was off my usual routine, I felt like I'd already BLOWN THE WHOLE DAY. Like it wasn't even worth salvaging. Like nothing could turn it around. I made that astonishing assessment at 9:15 AM, mind you.

But then I got out & ran for Gary, and then did weights, and I'm back here at my desk an hour and a half later than usual. And it's okay. I don't feel bad or wrong.

I really, really need to work on being flexible like this. Otherwise I'm just living in a self-constructed cage.

kittycat40
04-14-2013, 04:02 PM
I find myself telling the people I work with to be kind to themselves.
Of course, that's easier said, than done.

Accountability follow up from yesterday. Went to dinner at a diner with son who spent all day doing a competition- he won first place with the rest of his teammates. I was going to order a reuben then changed to chef salad. Better decision. Did finish his wrap tho- (about 1/4 sand, totally unnec.)

today- overate for lunch -good choice, 3 helpings.
will hold tight on the bingeometer and fake it till I make it.

traveling michele
04-14-2013, 04:10 PM
What is the cost of my vanity? Between nail salon visits, hairdresser, the weekly personal training session and the sunk cost of time that I clock at the gym daily?

But then I got out & ran for Gary, and then did weights, and I'm back here at my desk an hour and a half later than usual. And it's okay. I don't feel bad or wrong.

I really, really need to work on being flexible like this. Otherwise I'm just living in a self-constructed cage.

Saef-- If you have the $$ to spend, then by all means do. You work hard. I try to make sure to take good care of myself these days. But I still make sure to help others-- whether they be friends, relatives, charities or community service.

Flexibility-- remains a thorn in my side. My younger dd is here for the weekend and she goes back tomorrow. I will have to take her to the airport after work and will hit a lot of traffic. I was stressing about missing yoga. I will obviously miss the 4:30 class that I usually go to. I was hoping I would make the later class-- 6:30 pm but it would be tight. I decided this morning in yoga that I won't try to kill myself-- I will instead go to the gym for an 8:00 pm U-Jam class. I haven't been in months and I don't like working out that late but I want to be flexible and not stress myself out. Dinner is always the issue if I work out late. I think I'll have a small dinner before and a snack after.

JenMusic
04-14-2013, 04:11 PM
I've been fighting with myself for two days. Half of me wants to call the other half all kinds of nasty things for the five-pound weight gain over the past month. And then that other half looks at all the exercise that I do, all the things that I turned down this past week, and feels I'm among the damn@d, rather than the saved, and I feel so sorry for myself for having to put in three times the work without even getting anywhere near the results. But look, I did that to myself by getting so fat and staying that way for decades.


saef, I also struggle with these feelings. My inner 2 year old has been very active this last week or so, throwing tantrums left and right. I see people around me who eat half a cookie and leave the other half on their plate, apparently forgotten. I have dinner with friends who can occasionally splurge and not fall into a cycle of restriction. I had a conversation with a co-worker this week who has made peace with her body - she says she'd rather have an occasional "treat" and be at the higher end of a normal weight for her than to constantly feel deprived. And I want to be all of those people. Instead, like so many on this board, I know that my body would love to be 50 pounds heavier if I gave it the slightest push in that direction, so it's constant vigilance and abstention from triggers.

I also am reminding myself that it's not always such a mental struggle. It's always hard, of course, but there are days and weeks where the routine of it all carries me through. My big problem right now is my decision to overeat, as well as eat sugar, the last 4 days in a row. And, of course, I know the underlying issue is my slooooooowly imploding relationship.

Hugs to us all, as we solider on today and this week.

traveling michele
04-14-2013, 04:24 PM
Hugs to you too Jen. I was wondering about your relationship.

I also am so amazed by people who eat half a cookie. How is that even possible? I am so black and white-- all or nothing-- which is why I usually don't even let myself slip. On our cruise I allowed myself dessert which spiralled into having dessert 2-3 times a day. Now I've got a stupid extra 10 pounds that is stubbornly sticking around.

My dd is home for the weekend and we are going to check out a new outlet mall in a few minutes. Part of me is chastising myself and telling myself that I don't deserve anything. The other part of me is trying to be more rational-- my skinny clothes aren't fitting but I really don't want to buy bigger clothes-- but is it really so bad if my size zeros don't fit and I have to buy a 2 or a 4?

Dd and I ate an interesting lunch yesterday. It was quite good and I *think* healthy. The scale was down today. I had a vitality bowl-- yummy!!

http://www.vitalitybowls.com/

bargoo
04-14-2013, 05:42 PM
Mchele, checked out the menu, I want to get in my car and go there NOW.

Shannon in ATL
04-14-2013, 06:17 PM
Momto3 - absolutely chip in! I'm glad it isn't just me. I see people talk about exercise burning so many calories and get frustrated. I really believe it is 90 or 95 percent food with me. The exercise just helps with body comp and mood, it really helps my mood. Though haven't even seen any body comp changes this last month - I'm afraid I need less food to maintain now than last year.

Saef - on the hair, I agree with Michele that if you can afford it and it makes you feel good then spend it. On the flexibility - no real advice as I struggle with it, too. Sounds like you did well today.

Kitty - we can always tell others not to be so hard on themselves, but can't tell ourselves.

Michele - don't feel bad about a few larger clothes. How do you feel you look overall? My friend photochick told me last week that I looked fantastic on a day I didn't feel so great, and since then we've had some discussions about my body image. I'm trying to realize how good I look and not focus on the bad I see.

Jen - my inner toddler has been out in force this weekend. And I can't leave half a cookie for anything. I'm sorry your relationship is falling - sometimes I think the slow implosion is worse than a big fall out. Hugs to you. Is your new pic from the mountain?

Andrea - I'm exhausted, too. I hadn't thought about it clearly until you used the word 'battle', but that is what I feel like I've been doing for the last couple of years.

I'm tired today. I put in lots of plants in the garden after I did my run for Gary. Did more than I should have and am drained out tired. The pollen is dragging me hard. And I ate too many carbs and sugar today in response. And have a headache - from the allergies and the sugar, I'm sure.

Momto2cs
04-14-2013, 08:03 PM
Exercise is definitely good for body comp. that is my focus now. My bodyfat is pretty low, but I am trying to get it down a bit more.

bargoo
04-14-2013, 08:11 PM
Here is a link to Relay For Life Angie and Gary have walked this for several years, sadly she will walk it alone this year. She is asking for donations and hoped she wasn't being too forward in asking.
http://main.acsevents.org/goto/garymiller

neurodoc
04-14-2013, 11:03 PM
This weekend, I've rebelled in a very small way from my routine and have been up past 10 PM and sleeping till 6 AM. Today I got up and thought, "It's sunny. And I really want to run for Gary, rather than going to spin." So that's what I did. And then did my weight routine. This is going to sound really weird, but because I got up so late, and therefore was off my usual routine, I felt like I'd already BLOWN THE WHOLE DAY. Like it wasn't even worth salvaging. Like nothing could turn it around. I made that astonishing assessment at 9:15 AM, mind you. But then I got out & ran for Gary, and then did weights, and I'm back here at my desk an hour and a half later than usual. And it's okay. I don't feel bad or wrong.

First of all, staying up past 10 pm and sleeping until 6 am is normal and good and healthy. It is something to be pleased about, not feel guilty about. If you make that kind of timetable more of your norm, you would be able to fit in more of the social activities that frighten you now because they derail your routine. Just sayin.

Second, I am convinced that our bodies are really really good at adjusting to whatever we make our habit. So, if you increase your exercise to 2 hours every day so you can eat more, soon you will be automatically eating exactly the extra calories you are burning (or more) in your more intensive exercise bouts. Anecdotally, people training for a marathon frequently gain 10 pounds, and more objectively, there are a lot of studies (the most recent one is here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23377831) suggesting that moderation in exercise is better for weight loss/maintenance than more extreme bouts. The data are fairly convincing. Would you consider backing off your exercise routine to 4-5 days a week of 1 hour for a few weeks as an experiment? It will mess with your head for sure, but I sense that you are at a point of serious frustration, and I don't think more and more of the same is sustainable in the long run.

And now that I've inserted myself where I probably don't belong, feel free to tell me to piss off and mind my own business.

Andrea

Shannon in ATL
04-15-2013, 10:54 AM
Andrea - I've looked at that data before on our bodies adjusting to what we make our habit, and I have backed down my exercise back and forth over the years. I don't know that it has made a difference, or I guess how to tell really.

traveling michele
04-15-2013, 11:29 AM
Here is a link to Relay For Life Angie and Gary have walked this for several years, sadly she will walk it alone this year. She is asking for donations and hoped she wasn't being too forward in asking.
http://main.acsevents.org/goto/garymiller

Thank you for posting this. I will definitely be donating. My daughter is walking it this Friday/Saturday. I've told her about Gary so she will also be thinking of him as she walks.

traveling michele
04-15-2013, 11:37 AM
Mchele, checked out the menu, I want to get in my car and go there NOW.

It's right by me. Anytime you'd like to meet, I'm game. You're not too far away. ;)

JenMusic
04-16-2013, 04:11 PM
Shannon - the new avatar is from my usual path on the Silver Comet. This past weekend I did Stone Mountain with my cousin and her son while her husband was out of town - they've lived in the area for a year and never done it before!

I'm just checking in. On day 2 of NOT overeating and being back in my regular pattern, which is nice. I've been adding to the strength training recently - both weight and routine - and everything is sore, in a good way.

This work week, however, may swallow me whole! Is it Friday yet?

Shannon in ATL
04-16-2013, 04:42 PM
Oh cool, Jen! I've never done the Silver Comet, even with it so close.

saef
04-16-2013, 05:07 PM
Anecdotally, people training for a marathon frequently gain 10 pounds, and more objectively, there are a lot of studies (the most recent one is here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23377831) suggesting that moderation in exercise is better for weight loss/maintenance than more extreme bouts. The data are fairly convincing. Would you consider backing off your exercise routine to 4-5 days a week of 1 hour for a few weeks as an experiment? It will mess with your head for sure, but I sense that you are at a point of serious frustration, and I don't think more and more of the same is sustainable in the long run.

Andrea, I believe in the scientific studies, but my motivation for exercising is now a lot more complex than simply keeping my weight down. I use the cardio to blow off steam and decrease my stress level. And I am becoming fascinated by strength training. (My interest in it increased exponentially after Hurricane Irene and my displacement, so I'm sure there's some connection between feeling like a victim and wanting to get physically stronger.) The strength training is developing into a hobby of sorts. I guess what I have to adapt to is the scale number changing if I really want to pursue this interest. For the first time, my clothes are actually in danger of getting tight in the shoulders and arms.

Shannon in ATL
04-17-2013, 12:23 PM
Bargoo, hugs to you. No great advice right now, but I'm so sorry that you are going through this.

Shannon in ATL
04-17-2013, 12:25 PM
I'm not sure how my post popped up before yours that I had read and was replying to, bargoo.

bargoo
04-17-2013, 12:27 PM
I am a mess of emotions and my eating yesterday reflected this outside of a Hershey Milk Chocolate bar I didn't eat anything bad but ate all day long.The same day Gary passed away a neighbor did , also. I had called 911 for him and he was taken to the hospital but passed away the following day, he was a good neighbor but not a close friend, oddly I felt a stronger connection to Gary whom I never met in person than a man I have met personally but of course it was sad in both cases. Last week my OS went bad and I had to have a new one installed, I spent several hours on the phone with Dell in the hopes I could recover my files and did, I then had to listen to a hard sell sales pitch from him that I refused and felt guilty for refusing this person who had spent so much time, helping me. Now my printer is refusing to print. So I have had a whirlwind of emotions going on all at the same time. Sadness, frustration and guilt.
Today I am reminding myself that these are events out of my control and stuffing my face is not going to change anything, except the number on the scale.

JenMusic
04-17-2013, 01:06 PM
Hugs and prayers to you, bargoo.

I overate last night on purpose. There was a yummy bit of food in the house and I chose to eat it. I'm not going to call it a binge - there was not out-of-control feeling, which is how I define a binge for myself - but after I counted all the calories I was DOUBLE over my daily limit.

I'm in a place of frustration. I am NOT overweight. I exercise regularly and am fit. I love my strong, muscular legs. I wear single digit clothing. Does my body just not want to lose these 5 pounds? Is my willpower too weak? Am I a "bad" person? (That last one is both rhetorical and hyperbolic, but I feel it right now.)

I know I have body image issues but my stomach is a true problem. I need to lose some abdominal fat - it's not all loose skin. But I also compare myself to others much too much. I'm working on that inner demon.

Sorry, friends, for a downer of a post. But I needed to get some of this out to people who would understand.

Shannon in ATL
04-17-2013, 01:16 PM
Jen, you sound like you are reading a script from inside my head with your post. I deliberately overate this morning. Telling my self the entire time that it didn't matter, I looked fine, I was the only one really unhappy with myself. My big hot point is my tummy, too. It has been slimmer, and I gained some muscle, but in the last year I also gained back some fat there. I don't feel as fit as I did - maybe because I'm over 40 and things are just moving slower than they were. LOL

I totally understand, and have been letting myself be consumed by it lately.

JayZeeJay
04-17-2013, 01:46 PM
Make that three, Jen and Shannon. I also deliberately overate after getting home from work last night. I just recently moved in with my boyfriend, and it makes me feel a bit panicked that if I *want* to eat badly, I am too embarrassed to do it in front of him. So I maintain my super-healthy outward behavior in front of him...but if I get home before him, apparently I cram peanut butter in my mouth. The sad thing is, once I realized I would get home first, I started rushing to make sure I would be home with enough time to do some overeating.

Pathetic. I mean really. And I haven't weighed myself for a while. I will face the music tonight.

bargoo
04-17-2013, 02:54 PM
An I spreading something around with the overeating, seems like Jen,JayZeeJay and Shannon plus myself all in some manner ate too much food. However you want to label it, it is too much. My personal belief is this is something that afflicts those of us prone to be overweight. It just seems to rear it's ugly head from time to time.

bargoo
04-17-2013, 02:59 PM
I'm not sure how my post popped up before yours that I had read and was replying to, bargoo.

I noticed that, too. This same thing happened about month ago.

alinnell
04-17-2013, 03:43 PM
While I don't feel as if I've been overeating, I have obviously done something as my weight is going up rather than down. I'm certain that food choices are part of the problem. I start to feel guilty serving so many salads to DS (who likes salad but needs more than just that) so I compensate by making his favorite dishes. Last night it was chicken enchiladas. Not diet friendly.

Shannon in ATL
04-17-2013, 04:23 PM
I've never heard of that one, Jen. I've used other sites, and done challenges on other boards where I had to report in for points.

Shannon in ATL
04-17-2013, 04:26 PM
I wonder if something is wrong with my computer clock? Any time I try to post it tells me I have to wait 30 seconds even though I didn't just post anything.

My computer says I posted this at 3:51, but the time stamp says 3:26.

JenMusic
04-17-2013, 04:40 PM
Has anyone here used stickk.com? Where you make a commitment, check in with a referee (a friend) and can make a "bet" where you lose money if you don't keep the commitment? I'm thinking of trying it. Not necessarily for a "lose weight" commitment but for something along the lines of days without overeating.

alinnell
04-17-2013, 04:44 PM
Jen~I had never heard of stickk.com, but it sure sounds interesting! I may have to try it myself!

JenMusic
04-18-2013, 08:38 AM
Yeah, the forums are definitely messing up - all over the boards. It's been reported to the mods and they're supposed to be working on it.

Shannon - Did the points challenges help you? One aspect I like about Stickk is that you can set aside money (you don't have to) and it can go to a friend, a charity, or an "anti-charity." The anti-charities listed are all pro/con groups for abortion, gun control, gay rights, and I think one more issue I forgot. THAT would be pretty motivating for a lot of people.

Busy Thursday ahead! I'm going to a local coffee roaster for a tasting tonight. I love coffee, so I'm really excited about this. And hopefully there won't be food served. :)

alinnell
04-18-2013, 12:14 PM
Bad morning this morning. I slept well--second morning in a row where the alarm woke me up rather than me waking early and waiting for the time to get up. But my weight is up AND my rings are tight. Ok, TOM is just around the corner, but I don't usually bloat like this.

I've bookmarked a site that hopefully will help me get my diet back on track.

Shannon in ATL
04-18-2013, 12:30 PM
Jen - the points challenged helped for a while. I used Fitocracy, and had a good time on it. Then I got mad at some of the people on the forums and they way they treated other people and quit. Maybe I should go back and just not chat on the forums. Challenges work well too, but I haven't been able to follow through on a lot of them lately. I bet if I had money that was going to a charity I hated if I didn't exercise I would work out. LOL

CherryPie99
04-18-2013, 01:09 PM
Shannon

I am on Fitocracy and love it. They have closed the forums and are focusing on groups and the a-holes don't seem to post there - so give it a shot again!

I'm under jenhudsonmosher if you want to follow me and I will follow back!!

Jen

Shannon in ATL
04-18-2013, 01:38 PM
Okay Jen, I popped back in and followed you. I haven't tracked anything since June of last year, and had only posted a little in the months before that. I might give it another shot.

traveling michele
04-18-2013, 04:25 PM
Okay Jen, I popped back in and followed you. I haven't tracked anything since June of last year, and had only posted a little in the months before that. I might give it another shot.

I just joined. I'll have to check it out when I have more time but it looks fun. My user name is fitmichele if you want to follow me :)

Shannon in ATL
04-18-2013, 04:31 PM
Followed. :)

saef
04-19-2013, 01:06 PM
Well, at least my weight hasn't changed since Saturday morning.

bargoo
04-19-2013, 01:12 PM
Well, at least my weight hasn't changed since Saturday morning.

Excellent ! As long is it not going UP.

Shannon in ATL
04-19-2013, 01:14 PM
My weight hasn't changed since Saturday either. Which isn't a good thing, as it is way too high. LOL

JayZeeJay
04-19-2013, 01:19 PM
Happy Friday, all.

I have reined in the strange sneaky eating from a few days ago, and stuck to a reasonable diet since (although came home super hungry last night at 9 pm and had frozen pizza, when I actually wanted a bunch of vegetables). Still haven't had the guts to weigh myself but I WILL do it tonight. I need the motivation - tomorrow is my birthday, and hopefully remembering the number on the scale will keep me from doing that "it's my birthday!! I can eat everything!!" justification all weekend.

bargoo
04-20-2013, 01:40 PM
Slept 8 hours last night ! That happens so rarely that I need to remark on it, I usually get 4 or 5 per night, and not by choice.
Better news is that my weight has not changed up or down in the last 16 days. I always hate to mention this in fear I will jinx it somehow.

novangel
04-20-2013, 02:18 PM
139.4p and that's after eating so I might be 138!! :carrot: I passed my goal. :D

Last summer I was 150, my bikini is going to be rocking this year.

bargoo
04-20-2013, 02:20 PM
139.4p and that's after eating so I might be 138!! :carrot: I passed my goal. :D

Last summer I was 150, my bikini is going to be rocking this year.
Congratulations !

JenMusic
04-20-2013, 02:25 PM
Congratulations, novangel!

And happy birthday, JayZeeJay! Have a great day!

traveling michele
04-21-2013, 12:11 AM
139.4p and that's after eating so I might be 138!! :carrot: I passed my goal. :D

Last summer I was 150, my bikini is going to be rocking this year.

Awesome!! Congrats!!:carrot::carrot:

bargoo
04-21-2013, 02:22 PM
Reached my vanity goal of 114...well 114.4, that's close enough. I don't know if it is sustainable and I don't want to go any lower but I am happy this morning.

saef
04-21-2013, 04:06 PM
Congratulations, Bargoo.

But why call it "vanity weight"? Just call yourself at goal, where you want to be, for whatever reason you want to be there.

bargoo
04-21-2013, 06:17 PM
Congratulations, Bargoo.

But why call it "vanity weight"? Just call yourself at goal, where you want to be, for whatever reason you want to be there.

If I were to make 114 my goal weight I would be constantly trying to stay at goal. 120 is a reasonable goal for a woman of my height. Anything below that is a bonus.

Mudpie
04-22-2013, 07:49 AM
If I were to make 114 my goal weight I would be constantly trying to stay at goal. 120 is a reasonable goal for a woman of my height. Anything below that is a bonus.

Enjoy the bonus!

Dagmar :dizzy:

traveling michele
04-22-2013, 11:04 AM
Reached my vanity goal of 114...well 114.4, that's close enough. I don't know if it is sustainable and I don't want to go any lower but I am happy this morning.

Congrats on your bonus Bargoo!! You rock!:carrot:

alinnell
04-22-2013, 11:30 AM
So I bought Yoga for Beginners by Rodney Yee (as recommended by several of you). I've yet to open it, though.

I did buy lots of berries and cut up strawberries to mix with blackberries, blueberries and raspberries and had a huge bowl (maybe 1 1/2 cups) of berries this morning along with 1 cup of plain yogurt. This is my beginning. I have some not so diet worthy leftovers for lunch. I will have salad with chicken for dinner. And then I plan (and here's where I usually mess up) to exercise after dinner instead of sitting in front of the TV with DH.

I think if I manage the yoga then I'll "feel" like getting on the treadmill for a couple of miles. I'm not certain of that, but that's how I feel. I'll report in the morning.

I really need a kick in the butt!

bargoo
04-22-2013, 11:36 AM
So I bought Yoga for Beginners by Rodney Yee (as recommended by several of you). I've yet to open it, though.

I did buy lots of berries and cut up strawberries to mix with blackberries, blueberries and raspberries and had a huge bowl (maybe 1 1/2 cups) of berries this morning along with 1 cup of plain yogurt. This is my beginning. I have some not so diet worthy leftovers for lunch. I will have salad with chicken for dinner. And then I plan (and here's where I usually mess up) to exercise after dinner instead of sitting in front of the TV with DH.

I think if I manage the yoga then I'll "feel" like getting on the treadmill for a couple of miles. I'm not certain of that, but that's how I feel. I'll report in the morning.

I really need a kick in the butt!

Love those strawberries, low in calories and they really don't need sugar and whipped cream to be delicious. I bought 2 boxes the other day and have been having then in a morning shake with a banana and almond milk.
PS I often wish I was taller. Allison if I were your height I could be 15 pounds heavier and still be at goal.

alinnell
04-22-2013, 11:53 AM
Love those strawberries, low in calories and they really don't need sugar and whipped cream to be delicious. I bought 2 boxes the other day and have been having then in a morning shake with a banana and almond milk.
PS I often wish I was taller. Allison if I were your height I could be 15 pounds heavier and still be at goal.

Well, I am about 15 pounds over my red line, and although most of my clothes still fit (some are tighter than others), I am uncomfortable. My tummy is too roly-poly and pooches over my belt when I sit down. Not exactly a muffin top in my jeans, but there is enough love handle that I'm not happy. Granted height is a great asset, but sometimes I use that as justification for weighing more and I just shouldn't do that.

bargoo
04-22-2013, 12:09 PM
Well, I am about 15 pounds over my red line, and although most of my clothes still fit (some are tighter than others), I am uncomfortable. My tummy is too roly-poly and pooches over my belt when I sit down. Not exactly a muffin top in my jeans, but there is enough love handle that I'm not happy. Granted height is a great asset, but sometimes I use that as justification for weighing more and I just shouldn't do that.

We all have a healthy weight range mine is less than yours because I am short, same with calories I do not need as many to survive as taller people.
I sometimes like to use a poster named JohnP as an example. I believe he is 6'9" tall. I have never met him but if he and I were to walk into a restaurant together and order the same meal we would get exactly the same amounts served us. Isn't that ridiculous ? It would be too much for me , I don't know about him it might be enough or not enough. We definitely are not created equal in our calorie requirements.

JenMusic
04-22-2013, 01:27 PM
Bargoo - Congratulations! Height makes such a difference, doesn't it? I also often wish to be taller. Except when on an airplane. :)

alinnell - Good job on your healthy start to the day. I love fresh berries, especially strawberries, and rejoice when fresh Florida strawberries start appearing around here. Unfortunately, they're almost gone now.

You mentioned exercising after dinner? I've tried that but always end up feeling either too lethargic to actually do it, or too uncomfortable to work out hard. Thankfully, with my teaching schedule, I'm able to have time to exercise before dinner. I feel for you that don't.

As for me, this morning I weighed in at 124.6. That's .2 pounds MORE than 2 weeks ago, when I had my 5 days in a row of overeating. So, the damage could have been worse. On the plus side, I had a good weekend of activity and balanced food, and feel set up for a week of good choices.

Haven't I said that before? :lol:

Shannon in ATL
04-22-2013, 01:35 PM
Jen - we've all said it before. ;)

Bargoo - take the vanity weight and enjoy it. I have a range like that too, I just haven't seen it in a while. LOL

Allison - enjoy the berries!

I'm at the same weight today as Friday. Actually, a little lower than Friday. Still so much higher than I want, but I'll accept that it isn't higher after the weekend and try to be happy. Got a lot of work done in my garden yesterday and feel good about that. I only exercised 4 of the 7 days last week (3 weight workouts with cardio chaser for about 1-1.25 hours per session, one good run at the park), but spent 3 hours in the garden yesterday, so I'm going to choose to feel good and not like I failed last week.

JayZeeJay
04-22-2013, 06:20 PM
Congrats Bargoo!!

Thanks for the birthday wishes, JenMusic!

Well, I mostly kept things under control for birthday weekend. Boyfriend asked what I wanted to do on b-day (Saturday), and I said take dog for a long walk, then go for a trail run. Nice guy that he is, he went for an 8 mile run with me even though he's still coughing from a bad cold. Then we went to a concert. We were too busy to eat anything other than a sandwich all day.

Yesterday, met up with boyfriend's parents for brunch, then drove across CA to meet up with my extended family for dinner. Did pretty well for meals - had a salad with crab for brunch, then liked it so much that I had the same thing for dinner. Love crab season on the coast! Did eat too many sweet potato fries. And my mom bought a gorgeous cake from an Austrian bakery, and I had a, well, "healthy" (substantial) piece.

Anyway, no terrible damage done over the weekend, I think. The real danger is that they sent a giant piece of the cake home with us. It is sitting in the fridge. This morning I swear I could feel it through the fridge door, vibrating slightly with deliciousness.

Shannon in ATL
04-22-2013, 11:39 PM
I'm glad that you had a good birthday, jayzeejay! Happy belated. :)

saef
04-23-2013, 09:54 AM
My scale read 152.6. That's the highest I've been since March 2011.

My attempt to listen to my body and my hunger cues over the past two weeks, inspired partly by some of the threads here, was noble & idealistic, showed compassion toward myself -- and has completely backfired.

Back to restriction.

bargoo
04-23-2013, 10:16 AM
My scale read 152.6. That's the highest I've been since March 2011.

My attempt to listen to my body and my hunger cues over the past two weeks, inspired partly by some of the threads here, was noble & idealistic, showed compassion toward myself -- and has completely backfired.

Back to restriction.

We live and learn. With your determination you will succeed. Good luck,

silverbirch
04-23-2013, 12:06 PM
Saef - how's the body feeling and looking? You've been going great guns on weight training whenever I call by. That will probably make you smaller in some places. (I did read the bit about arms and shoulders and I know about the size of some "vintage" clothing.)

Sub-text: if your body is feeling and looking good, then the number could drop down the priority list.

bargoo
04-23-2013, 12:15 PM
Silver, so good to hear from you. Please stop by more often, if only to say hello.

krampus
04-23-2013, 02:17 PM
I am at the low end of my maintenance range, consciously trying for a deficit to break out of it (< 123 has only ever been seen for 2 days when I was sick) in preparation for summer/music festival in late May.

alinnell
04-23-2013, 02:27 PM
I just ordered some pb2 (regular and chocolate). Please give me some ways to use it!! I think I remember someone saying they used it in a protein drink?

krampus
04-23-2013, 03:06 PM
Stir it into plain Greek yogurt!

silverbirch
04-23-2013, 03:09 PM
Bargoo - usually v pressed for time & brain space. It's a different phase of life from when I used to post here more.

CherryPie99
04-23-2013, 03:14 PM
I love PB2! I use it in oatmeal - it really keeps me full the whole morning.

I also use it to smear over bananas.

It freezes well. I have mixed some up, spread across a low fat graham cracker, topped with fat free whipped cream, top with the other half of the graham cracker and freeze. YUMMY!

bargoo
04-23-2013, 10:27 PM
Did a little shopping this AM. A clerk called me tiny....twice. I don't think I look timy but I admit being called tiny is preferable to being asked if you are pregnant when you are not.I have had that experience as well.

neurodoc
04-23-2013, 11:20 PM
Fellow maintainers, I really need some help. I cannot consistently control my after-dinner eating and it's been causing me to regain slowly but consistently. I have been struggling to stay at 126 the last few weeks and all my skirts/pants are clearly tighter, suggesting that my weight is creeping even higher.

I've tried leaving the kitchen (I just sneak back in later, as though the scale won't notice if DH doesn't), tried allowing myself a 100-cal evening snack (it snowballs into 300+), tried a strict no-food-after-dinner policy (I obsessively think about food all evening until I'm shaking with the need to nosh), tried distracting myself with work (I just get snacks to eat in front of the laptop), etc. I just don't know what to do. Every morning I tell myself that today I won't give in, but at least 1 day in 3 I do. Yesterday was particularly egregious- I must have eaten nearly 1000 calories of almonds. Annoyingly, my belly doesn't feel bloated, I don't feel sick afterward, and I thoroughly enjoy the food both while I'm eating it and after I'm done, so it's hard to call it a binge, though I'm clearly out of control. It's only the next morning that the regret sets in (and I can't face weighing on the scale).

I maintained for several years without having a nightly battle like this. I don't understand what's going on. WHAT CAN I DO?

bargoo
04-23-2013, 11:30 PM
Do you plan your daily meals ? If not, why not try it ? That way you can make an allowance for your evening snack.

traveling michele
04-24-2013, 12:43 AM
Andrea-- I'm sorry you're struggling. Do you think there is something emotional or stressful behind this? I like Bargoo's idea but I'm not sure if it will work for you. What about planning on doing something in the evenings to get you out of the house? A long walk or a bike ride, followed by a bath and bed!
Hugs. I'm sure this will pass but obviously you want to reign it in sooner rather than later.

krampus
04-24-2013, 12:18 PM
neurodoc,

Can you rearrange your eating schedule to accommodate night eating? e.g. skip breakfast, tiny lunch, big dinner, snacks?

JayZeeJay
04-24-2013, 04:00 PM
Neurodoc,

I struggled with that problem two years ago, for several months. In my case, I think it was some hangup about not wanting the "eating phase" of the evening to end, because that was also the "relaxing" phase of the evening. Once eating was over, I was forced to confront the coming work day by planning what to wear, finishing last-minute assignments, etc. And I didn't want to do that. I managed to separate the two, with difficulty, by first adding in a night yoga class (I normally hate exercising at night), then by having a ritual tea-and-ONE-cookie half hour before bed every night. It eventually worked. Maybe you can find a new rhythm to your evening.

saef
04-24-2013, 06:15 PM
Saef - how's the body feeling and looking? You've been going great guns on weight training whenever I call by. That will probably make you smaller in some places. (I did read the bit about arms and shoulders and I know about the size of some "vintage" clothing.)

Sub-text: if your body is feeling and looking good, then the number could drop down the priority list.

Birchie, the additional weight training has made me ravenous right afterward, and through the rest of the day through dinner if I don't get in enough protein. I'm still figuring out how to eat the right way. But yes, I think that there is some gain involved. My waistband is a little tighter, but it's more noticeable in the quads.

I'm still wrapping my head around weight training and my goal for my body. I do know that what I once admired now looks a bit too frail to me. I used to agree that it was difficult to be too thin. (I know it's possible to be too rich.) Now I'm classifying some women at the gym as underweight. But that's a common aesthetic in the NY area, and for all I know, they work in high-end retail or the fashion industry.

saef
04-24-2013, 06:18 PM
In my case, I think it was some hangup about not wanting the "eating phase" of the evening to end, because that was also the "relaxing" phase of the evening. Once eating was over, I was forced to confront the coming work day by planning what to wear, finishing last-minute assignments, etc. And I didn't want to do that.

This is so insightful. I know exactly what you mean. Mostly I feel this during those periods when work seems to be asking an awful lot of me, and when I haven't had any time off for a while.

I have two days off and feel guilty about it, honestly, but I am sworn not to check work email until Friday morning, when I go back.

neurodoc
04-25-2013, 09:29 PM
JayZeeJay, that's it almost exactly- I don't want the "eating phase" of the evening to be over. In my case I think it's a combination of what you wrote (I too often get back to work after dinner), and the psychological effect of "that's it, no more food until breakfast." It doesn't matter that I'm not actually hungry any more, I just feel so deprived when I know that all my calories are gone for the day that I stupidly rebel. I think it would work if I could actually go back out somewhere after dinner, like to an exercise class (and kill 2 birds with one stone), but the hours between 6 pm (when I usually get home from work) and 9 pm are the only ones with my boys, and it's just not reasonable for me to walk out on them in order to avoid the kitchen.

Krampus, I kind of do that now: I eat ~240 cal at breakfast and ~360 cal at lunch and snack, allowing myself between 800-900 cal for dinner and dessert when I'm maintaining for a daily total of 1500 cal. But the thing is, I could easily eat double my daily calorie requirements in a 5 hour period if I let myself get too hungry by fasting (or nearly fasting) the rest of the day. And right now, since I've gained 5 pounds over my goal weight, I need to be eating at a deficit (1200 cal/day).

Somehow, I need to convince myself that my "full" signals need to be heard and obeyed (aka, Intuitive Eating) instead of my listening to my emotional urges for food when I'm not hungry. I used to do this naturally so I don't understand why it seems to elude me now. :>(

JenMusic
04-26-2013, 08:56 AM
Andrea, I feel for you. I haven't had this particular problem (yet!) but we've all been there, metaphorically speaking. The never-ending war of maintenance, one battle at a time.

I hate to be the person who throws a book at every problem, but I really think the principles of the Beck book, based on CBT, could help you here. I mean, it sounds like - if there's no physical reason for hunger and more eating - that this has become a bad habit that needs to be changed, and that's what the book is all about. I read the book and applied her principles and exercises early on in my weight loss journey and they really made a difference. I don't really do them now at all, but for a period of about 3 months I totally committed - index cards, daily affirmations, the whole bit - and that gave me a huge kick in the pants to break some bad habits and build some new ones.

Of course, you might already have read the book or be using these strategies anyway, but it's worth a shot! If nothing else is working, there's something out there that will. (Yeah, I'm a bit of a Pollyanna.)

JenMusic
04-26-2013, 09:10 AM
Oh, work kicked my butt this week and I am very behind on posts.

saef - I understand about the scale, but I must say that, given your posts and what I can infer, you could out-cardio and outlift me any day of the week. :) I, too, was lured into those IE threads and have read them with interest. I've been down that path before, though, and I know that I can't commit to the true non-diet mentality that everyone says is necessary to really have success with it. However, those threads have inspired me not to be so hard on myself. I'm also experimenting with putting in some (calorie counted) food in that I would normally avoid, because of the sugar or carb content. We'll see how that goes.

krampus - How are you doing? Are you planning to stay at the low end of maintenance through summer? Just curious, how much of a struggle has it been to get there and stay there?

Allison - I love PB2 mixed in Greek yogurt, too, as well as spread on top of a Skinny Cow ice cream sandwich for dessert. I also mix it into frozen berries, which is kind of a weird texture, I guess, but I like it. I don't do protein shakes but it seems like it would be easy to use that way.

As for me, this week has been so busy I haven't had time to overeat. :) Good problem, I guess. This weekend I'll be at an outdoor festival and plan to allow myself a beer, and the food won't be the lowest calorie, but I feel confident that I can navigate and come up with a good option. Just no fries - they would have been a temptation before, but I've given up eating mediocre fries. And, let's be honest, outdoor festival fries are mediocre at best.

alinnell
04-26-2013, 11:02 AM
Today might be a challenge. Might. Yeah, should say will be a challenge. DH and I are golfing in a charity golf tournament. Lunch and dinner as well as food offered at several tee boxes on the course. And drinks. They always have drinks. At least I'll be getting some exercise.

I got my PB2 yesterday and forgot to bring some into work to mix with plain yogurt. I'll remember for next week.

Meanwhile, on the 4th of July challenge I joined as a way to kick myself in the butt, I'm down .7 this week. I was hoping for 1 pound, but I've been less than stellar on my exercise. My stupid DVD player in my bedroom won't let me load a disk so I gave up rather than use my laptop. That was my excuse. I really need to stop making excuses.

Shannon in ATL
04-26-2013, 01:07 PM
IE doesn't work for me at all. I apparently don't have any 'full' cues, and am always having 'hungry' cues. Even when I just ate.

saef
04-26-2013, 01:24 PM
Thank goodness, I'm down 3.4 pounds from that last scale reading.

I did this by cutting back on healthy snacks, particularly nuts, letting myself get hungry -- at moments, I've felt RAVENOUSLY hungry -- and keeping busy while traveling in the Poconos and in Upper Bucks County for two days.

I'm still higher than I want to be, but seeing some progress has really improved my disposition.

Jen and Shannon, thanks, as I'm bearing witness before you both: I'm giving myself permission to abandon any pretext whatsoever that I can learn Intuitive Eating habits. All that way of eating seems to do is give me another reason to reproach myself: Why can't I be more in touch my feelings? Why can't I live more naturally and shed some of the shackles of our 21st century civilization? Because I live a highly unnatural life, that's why. I sit at a desk with laptop for hours on hours. My sneakers never get mud on them because I'm surrounded by pavement and concrete. I'm in a car or riding the subway. Sometimes meetings run through lunchtime. Sometimes I commute from Connecticut, go to the gym, then can't eat till 8 PM. Sometimes if I want to fit in the gym before a full day at work, I've got to get up at 4:15 AM & eat breakfast immediately. I cannot go back to an Edenic state of living or state of mind. And I'm not going to beat myself up because I'm not willing to turn into Natural Outdoor Wise Woman. Fine for others. My connection with the outdoors is eating lots of vegetables while watching cable TV shows stream on my laptop. So it's okay that I cannot live a more natural, intuitive life that more closely resembles ancient times.

krampus
04-26-2013, 02:21 PM
Hmmmmph, trying to cut resulted in extra pointless eating because I felt deprived. What a shocker! At least I'm not sitting down with 5,000 calories worth of junk food and gobbling it all down alone as I watch TV though, and my weight is spiking by 1 lb instead of 5+ overnight.

Also grumble grumble had 1 beer and felt like garbage all morning, can't metabolize alcohol well, grumble grumble.

I just went to lunch with my boss and had half a greasy roast beef and cheese sandwich with thousand island dressing and some chips. I threw out the other half and will probably make something vegetable-y at home for dinner later. Unfortunately tomorrow is a bridal shower that I did all the shopping for - 100% snacks, 80% carbs and 20% fat. Lots of dense stuff like nuts, dried fruit, cookies, cheese. Someone is making a cake. I really hope I don't OD on party snacks and then feel bad about it, because we all know that feeling stinks.

JenMusic
04-29-2013, 01:11 PM
I was down to 124.0 this morning! My red line is 123, so I'm so close. :) To, you know, being under what I said I was never going to go over.

I knew this weekend was going to be strange with an outdoor festival, so I tracked down some Quest bars to try, if needed. Those things are great! Not too sweet (so no sugar cravings triggered) and they actually filled me up for a few hours, which protein bars don't generally do for me. Two thumbs up.

On the other hand, Monday. Yuck. Blah. Tired.

traveling michele
04-29-2013, 01:23 PM
Way to go Jen! I've been hearing about the Quest bars. Will have to try them. I *almost* saw my redline weight yesterday. My redline is 125 and I was 125.6 yesterday (lowest since getting back from my cruise in mid March). Today I was back to 126.2. Sigh. Debating what workouts to do today.... I can either do Body Pump (weights) or Hot Yoga or both. Thinking I might go for both but that makes dinner tricky and late.

krampus
04-29-2013, 01:24 PM
I am up to 126.0, so much for being successful at cutting back. I felt like I had no control over my food intake all weekend - someone is possessing me and that someone loves BREAD.

Shannon in ATL
04-29-2013, 01:34 PM
I've been in a food free for all for the last several weeks. Months, really. I have to get better.

alinnell
04-29-2013, 01:42 PM
I looked up those Quest bars. I don't think I'd trust myself with them--240 calories? Yikes. I'll stick with my Medifast bars. 110 calories, maybe not as much protein (11 g) though.

krampus
04-29-2013, 01:45 PM
Most of them are 170 calories. They are impossible to overeat - the texture is almost bricklike.

Actually never mind, it would be incredibly easy to overeat them if you pop them in the microwave for a few seconds. Especially the Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough.........

JenMusic
04-29-2013, 01:51 PM
They are impossible to overeat - the texture is almost bricklike.


Challenge ACCEPTED! :)

No, I was worried about that, and I don't think that will be an issue at all. They are higher in cals than I would prefer, but with so much protein and fiber they are more like mini-meal replacement bars. I even think I could cut them in half and make a smaller snack.

The ones I got - a variety from the store - ranged from 170-210 cals. The highest was PB&J, which was my least favorite of the ones I've tried so far. Easy to avoid.

Shannon in ATL
04-29-2013, 02:02 PM
I've not had Quest bars, but I like the Cliff protein bars.

kittycat40
04-29-2013, 03:08 PM
Hey Shan - hugs to you!

Y'know when a smile feels foreign to your face? That's how I have been for the longest time. Is it true that smiling, even if forced, helps bring about more genuine smiling?

Just a quick pop in. I'm a big fan of the balance bar. I use it as a meal replacement, usually breakfast.

WardHog
04-29-2013, 03:20 PM
I eat Zone perfect bars; I always have one in my purse just in case. Dark chocolate almond is my favorite (190 cal).

traveling michele
04-29-2013, 03:47 PM
I looked up those Quest bars. I don't think I'd trust myself with them--240 calories? Yikes. I'll stick with my Medifast bars. 110 calories, maybe not as much protein (11 g) though.


I ordered some to try-- the ones I ordered are 170 calories-- chocolate brownie or something like that-- I figure I'll use them for my after school snack before the gym-- I've been eating a fiberone brownie (90 calories) plus some low fat cottage cheese-- so probably around the same calories.

Shannon in ATL
04-29-2013, 04:05 PM
Ah, I'm glad I looked closer. The original flavors of the Quest bars have Splenda. Not for me.

krampus
04-29-2013, 05:34 PM
Challenge ACCEPTED! :)

No, I was worried about that, and I don't think that will be an issue at all. They are higher in cals than I would prefer, but with so much protein and fiber they are more like mini-meal replacement bars. I even think I could cut them in half and make a smaller snack.

The ones I got - a variety from the store - ranged from 170-210 cals. The highest was PB&J, which was my least favorite of the ones I've tried so far. Easy to avoid.

PB&J was gross. I like the choc chip cookie dough, chocolate brownie, CINNAMON ROLL, apple pie, and banana nut muffin. Not a fan of the fruity ones at all.

neurodoc
04-29-2013, 09:24 PM
Will definitely need to check out some Quest bars as I'm always on the lookout for sweetness that is low-carb, though I have to say I have a sort of love-hate relationship with protein bars. Even the ones with relatively "clean" ingredient lists are still very refined/processed, while I try to eat as much whole food as I can. And today's Lo Han Guo and erythritol may be tomorrow's saccharine.

I have had some good days with regard to evening snacking. I don't know about you all, but sometimes I find it helps just to admit to a problem online. Whether that's because I then feel more accountable for the problem, or because writing about it somehow helps to subconsciously process it I don't know. But I noticed that in the weeks since I wrote about my trouble with judging people based on their appearance and food choices, I have spontaneously had far fewer of those unpleasant thoughts. And since the evening I "confessed" to being unable to stop eating at night, I've been able to rein it in (admittedly, we're talking about a whopping 5 whole days). Pity my weight hasn't plunged in response to my moderation.

bargoo
04-30-2013, 08:59 AM
Lowest weight in April was 114.4 highest was 117.6 ended the month at 116.2.

traveling michele
04-30-2013, 11:34 AM
Awesome job Andrea and Bargoo!!

Glad you kicked the evening snacking beast Andrea!

And excellent job as usual Bargoo!

JayZeeJay
04-30-2013, 06:23 PM
Andrea - glad that online therapy seemed to help with the snacking!

I am back down to 140 exactly. Two pounds above red line...whew. Having regained so much weight was starting to scare me - like I would not be able to reverse the trend. Even though I know that I am in control, it started to seem as if I wasn't.

Strange fact: I have never weighed 141 pounds (on my scale). I have been up and down past that number many times, but never actually seen it. Maybe my scale doesn't have it :)

Shannon in ATL
04-30-2013, 09:26 PM
I have picked up DH's stomach virus and I feel terrible. Just ate some plain rice, we'll see what happens.

JenMusic
05-01-2013, 08:52 AM
I feel triumph because I had dinner with a friend at her place last night, and successfully navigated only ONE glass of wine with no resulting mindless overeating. I didn't feel like I was either restricting myself or going overboard. It was nice.

Andrea - Congratulations on the 5 days of snack-less evenings. I do understand about how it helps to just get it out there sometimes.
I have the same feelings about protein bars and "eating clean." I had to look up Lo Han Guo when I saw it on the list of ingredients for the Quest bars. We'll see.

Shannon - I'm sorry you feel sick! I hope this is a quick bug and you get over it soon.

Bargoo - Nice stats! I was inspired to look up mine, and I started April at 125 and ended at 124. So, downward trend. :)


Having regained so much weight was starting to scare me - like I would not be able to reverse the trend. Even though I know that I am in control, it started to seem as if I wasn't.


Jay - This exactly for me. This feeling is one of the biggest reasons I went back into serious weight loss headspace and came back to 3FC. I tried to explain it to my friend - losing 80+ pounds seems almost easier than losing these dumb 5 pounds. But, now that I've made a mental switch (mostly), that feeling has receded.

saef
05-01-2013, 10:37 AM
I'm in a restless state of mind lately. Let me explain. I keep reflecting on how I've moved the goalposts and whether I want to put them back a little.

- When I was 257 pounds, my goal was just to "lose some weight." Any amount would do. Just to reverse the trend of being bigger every year, of finding last summer's clothes didn't fit, of getting lectured from my doctor. Getting to 200 would have been acceptable.

- When I got down to 200, I started thinking that it would be nice to be a size 18, which would at least make me a better-dressed fat woman.

- At size 18, I wanted to be a size 14, again motivated by appearance and clothing. I also wanted to pant a lot less loudly on the elliptical at the gym.

- At size 14, I decided that size 12 would be better, and oh, things were loose, so some muscles would probably help. Visible ones in my arms would be particularly good.

- At size 10 to 8, which is pretty much where I am, now I think I want to have really visible muscles and be strong, and I have all kinds of goals for pullups, pushups and weights that I want to lift.

It's been hard to enjoy anything along the way because I am never in the moment, not really. I can't see things as they are. On nearly every part of the journey, I've felt fatter than I really am, and I have wished that I were just a little bit thinner or more muscular. I am always looking at things that are still unsatisfactory and don't measure up, at what could be, never at what I am.

Most of the time I get through my schedule okay, almost automatically, but sometimes it feels like a self-constructed cage and I get tired of the constant vigilance required. Or I start questioning some of the tradeoffs.

But I don't know if that's the voice of reason, or the voice of mindless eating and temptation.

I think that I want to lose the bit of weight that I've put on since early March, but then I start feeling rebellious and wondering what it would be like to get back some free time and to live like other people. Then I think: "Live like other people, look like other people."

Then I think: "How did I get to this state where I think I ought to look like a fitness model, when once upon a time, all I wanted was not to pant on the elliptical or to wear a size 14 so it wouldn't be so difficult to go shopping?"

By moving the goalposts.

But I don't want to move the goalposts back in the other direction, because it feels like conceding, giving up something that was hard-won.

And maybe after all I am just restless because it's spring.

Putting this out there. I don't know what I want from you all. Validation, maybe, and then inspiration to continue the daily battle.

traveling michele
05-01-2013, 11:21 AM
I hear you Saef. Not sure I have any pearls of wisdom but I certainly understand where you are coming from. My goal was 150. I couldn't imagine getting under 150. Once I did, my dream weight was 135 because that was my weight when I got married. I never dreamed I would get down under 120. Now I haven't been there in months but I still want to go back there. Vanity? Pride? Stubbornness? Fear? Not sure what my motivators are. But I know I'm not *happy* with my appearance until I'm under 123 and ideally under 120. But it is so very hard to get back there. I was 125 over the weekend. I'm back to 127 now. I haven't had anything off plan for weeks. I've exercised every. single. day. Not sure what else I can do. Not sure how I was ever able to get my weight lower because it certainly doesn't want to go there now. When I look in the mirror I see *huge* thighs (though muscular for the most part) and a pudgy tummy. Wish I could see myself the way others see me.

Happy May.... hopefully...... *May* it bring us peace.

CherryPie99
05-01-2013, 12:16 PM
Saef - I don't know if you remember me talking about the "revelation" that I had back in March. I was literally lying in bed, crocheting and watching the show "Touch" when it hit me.

I wrote about it in my blog the next day and I said:

"Am I truly enjoying life? I mean, I have a good life, and I enjoy it, but could it be better? Damn right! Between constantly fighting my weight and placing rigid and inflexible demands on myself, I have narrowed my enjoyment of life. And, especially for me - who does not believe in any sort of afterlife - what the **** am I doing? What's the point of being thin and healthy if I don't enjoy the fruits of my labor?

How many more minutes of my life do I want to spend feeling guilty because I ate a piece of cake? How much more time do I want to spend hating myself because I missed a workout? I only have so many days left of this earth and why would I want to spend even one more second hating myself because the number on the scale is 3 pounds higher then it "should" be?"

I made a commitment that day to free myself from these bonds. I made that promise to myself with the same stubborn determination that I applied to exercise and losing the weight.

So I've allowed myself to relax some. Not to the point of of letting myself go hog wild but just mentally reframing things and correcting myself when I get down on myself.

And guess what - it has been SO FREEING. I am probably the most relaxed and happy then I have been in YEARS. I still feel powerful and strong and confident. AND, best of all, my weight is right in check. I hit my original goal weight and weighed in at 119.7 on July 28th. I weighed in at 119.1 this morning. Turns out I don't have to KILL myself to stay there.

I don't know if any of this is helpful to you, but we seem to have so much in common, thinking wise, that I hope that some of this will be of use to you!

Jen

pageta
05-01-2013, 01:58 PM
Oh, saef, I know what you're saying. That has been my struggle. My lowest weight was one I hadn't seen since the 8th grade. I bought a new wardrobe and it was all a dream. Then I gained 5 pounds...but my weight was still so much lower than it had been my entire adult life. So 5 pounds by 5 pounds I'm now back to the low end of my "normal" adult weight range, about 10 pounds into the overweight zone.

It's hard to exercise in the winter where I live. I hate working out at a gym, and it's expensive. I much prefer taking long walks (like 4 miles in about an hour). But with my weight loss, I couldn't stay warm and so I hated walking when it was below 40 degrees. Then last year during the warm season, I was getting up early and going to Starbucks to work (I do technical editing from home and there is only so much one can do with children chattering) so I missed my beloved early morning workouts on the weekends. This spring hasn't warmed up very quickly, and I'm having a hard time getting in the swing of things again.

I have tried so many times to lose weight, but I'll go for three weeks and lose nothing and then I just give up. WW points simply have not worked for me since I quit nursing. I'm either famished or fat. It's so frustrating to work so hard and get nowhere. I am sure exercising would help, and the thing I loved most about weighing less was being active. But the down side of weighing less is that my thermostat has failed to reset and I am always so cold. I am so tired of being cold. And the thought of going out in the cold to walk is more than I can bear.

So with all that, I still weigh less than I have for 80% of my adult life. There's something to be said for that, isn't there? It's all so relative.

I think I would just like to be warm and active. But instead I am cold and tired. And frustrated.

neurodoc
05-01-2013, 11:34 PM
A really interesting article came out today:
J Nutr Educ Behav. 2013 May-Jun;45(3):264-8. doi: 10.1016/j.jneb.2012.10.007.
Improving weight maintenance using virtual reality (second life).
Sullivan DK, Goetz JR, Gibson CA, Washburn RA, Smith BK, Lee J, Gerald S, Fincham T, Donnelly JE.
Source
Department of Dietetics and Nutrition, The University of Kansas Medical Center, Kansas City, KS. Electronic address: dsulliva@kumc.edu.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
Compare weight loss and maintenance between a face-to-face (FTF) weight management clinic and a clinic delivered via virtual reality (VR).
METHODS:
Participants were randomized to 3 months of weight loss with a weekly clinic delivered via FTF or VR and then 6 months' weight maintenance delivered with VR. Data were collected at baseline and 3 and 6 months for weight and process variables. Twenty overweight and obese individuals (31.1 3.6 years of age; body mass index, 32.8 5.1; 85% females; 20% minorities) responded to advertisement and met inclusion criteria. Diets (1,200-1,800 kcal/d) used prepackaged meals, fruits and vegetables, and physical activity (300 min/wk).
RESULTS:
Weight loss was significantly greater for FTF at 10.8% compared with 7.6% for VR (P < .05). However, weight maintenance was significantly greater for VR at 14.0% compared with 9.5% for FTF (P < .05).
CONCLUSIONS AND IMPLICATIONS:
Virtual reality compares favorably with FTF for weight loss and may facilitate greater weight maintenance.

At least, I think it's interesting. I belong to Second Life (if you're interested, it is very cool and highly worth a look around- just make sure you have at least a couple of hours to explore it properly), and I belong to this board, which in many ways is a virtual community as well. I have no doubt that a community of like-minded people providing encouragement and support when you need it (and not at some arbitrary, once a week time led by an instructor like WW) is a major factor in my own maintenance.

Pageta- I too am frequently cold since I lost weight. The thing is, exercise warms me up. You say you hate working out at a gym. Ok, what about borrowing some exercise DVDs from your library, or loading up any of about a million exercise videos from Youtube on a computer and then following along? With a trivial amount of equipment (like, a jump rope, a pair of 10-pound dumbbells and one of those large "swiss" balls) you can also make a pretty darn good home gym. Best part? When I do this, my younger kids are fascinated, and either watch me or join in.

Michele - you weigh the same as I do but are 3 inches taller. I don't have a pudgy tummy or thunder thighs and I bet you don't either. Saef- you don't see enough muscular definition, but I bet after months of weights you have plenty. Perhaps neither of you looks like a fitness model,and I certainly don't either. BUT WE DON'T EARN OUR LIVING FROM OUR LOOKS (fortunately), which fitness models do. It is killing me to convince myself that there is a difference between "healthy weight" and "vanity weight" but I think this is part of the same mindset that leads to a lot of my judgmental thinking. If you (I) can judge others less harshly for their lapses, why can't you (I) judge ourselves by the same criteria? Just asking.

Happy May Day everyone.

pageta
05-02-2013, 10:45 AM
My thing with exercise is that I like to determine my own intensity rather than keeping up with someone elses. If I slow down while on a walk, it doesn't matter. If I walk on a treadmill, I either have to keep up or adjust the machine to slow down which is an opportunity to berate myself.

DVDs and classes are even worse. They often do outlandish moves I cannot figure out and since I don't get what they're doing, I can't keep up and I hurt myself. So then I get tense because I am worried about what they're going to do and how I am going to do it. They make me feel like a complete idiot and fat and stupid so essentially it's 20 minutes to an hour of beating up on oneself which I don't think is worthwhile regardless of what exercise might be getting done.

I know how to lift weights and would much prefer to use a book and do the exercises myself at an intensity that matches my ability. So in the winter time I could life weights, which would be okay, but it doesn't do the same thing for me that walking does. Walking and riding my bike during the warm season are as good for my mental health as for my physical health. I absolutely love it. In winter time, even if I could handle the cold, I'd be terrified of slipping on the ice and breaking my leg. I have never been athletic and thus think myself to be more prone to such stupid accidents.

I think perhaps gaining 10 pounds in the winter and losing 10 pounds in the summer would be a workable plan for me, worst case scenario. I can maintain okay without exercise - it's losing that I don't seem to be able to do without it.

traveling michele
05-02-2013, 11:15 AM
Oh Andrea.... such wise words....
My rational part of my brain is going "hear hear"-- you're right.....
The irrational part of my brain is saying-- No, you don't understand-- let me prove it to you-- I'll show you pictures.....

But, you're right. I don't earn my living as a fitness model. I could be overweight and do my job. Thank goodness I'm not. I need to embrace the fact that I'm healthy and not focus as much on the scale (which is still climbing-- today 128!).....

JayEll
05-02-2013, 11:55 AM
saef, neurodoc, pageta, and others here who are having these questions...

Is life in modern America a forced march?

It seems that way sometimes. The trouble is that it never ends. Wait, yes it does. One day you die.

Life hands you things you cannot foresee, and that don't fit in neatly with your schedule of activities. Something's gotta give. Priorities sometimes have to shift drastically due to circumstances.

Last fall my partner--you remember, the naturally thin person--was diagnosed with throat cancer (squamous cell carcinoma). It was early stage, and she has been through radiation treatment. The process was unbelievable. Our lives ended up stripped down to the essentials. Everything else dropped away.

Now she is a couple of months past the end of treatment and beginning to feel better. I think she is going to be fine now. Her weight dropped from 125 to 110, which was scary--but now she's back up to 112. Progress.

Having literally every outside activity taken away has given me a new perspective. How many of those things did I want to do, versus felt I had to do? I'm still figuring that out. A self-constructed cage is not what I want.

I'm looking at how I want my life to look and feel and be from day to day. I have to work for a living, but that doesn't have to be a forced march either. I want to get regular physical activity, but not if it means 2 hours per day at the gym. I want to eat food without worrying, chiding myself, being negative, and feeling guilty. That only ever backfired.

Could I weigh less? Sure. But I don't want to live my life around that.

I do know that I am not going for the forced march attitude.

Jay

traveling michele
05-02-2013, 01:50 PM
Jay,
Yours are truly wise words. I'm going to ponder them today. And maybe many days in the future.
I'm glad your partner is recovering. Dealing with that must have been (and still is) so difficult. I have had a squamous cell carcinoma removed from my leg (skin cancer)-- is it the same cancer that somehow gets into the throat? Just curious.

JayEll
05-02-2013, 02:38 PM
Squamous cells are a type of cell found many places in the body, skin being one of them. 90% of head and neck cancers (which includes throat cancer) are squamous cell carcinoma. It didn't "get into" the throat, it arose there--that's what the PET scan showed, anyway.

saef
05-02-2013, 06:21 PM
Thanks, all. Still restless. Still reflecting, still caught up in internal debate.

Jay, I'm simultaneously sorry to get this news of your partner and relieved that she was well-treated and you helped her through this and glad to hear she's doing well. (Yes, reading your post was a rollercoaster, so I can only imagine what living through it has been like.) You are not one to share your stresses. I am glad you said something here finally.

neurodoc
05-02-2013, 08:17 PM
Pageta, no one is a bigger klutz when it comes to learning "choreographed" exercise routines than me - I learned to avoid aerobics in the 80s, dancercize in the 90s, kickboxing routines in the 2000s, and now am happily avoiding the newest choreographed craze, Zumba. But the beauty of DVDs, and even better, Youtube videos, is the stop and rewind feature. I can now replay anything I don't get over and over again, until I understand it. Plus, many of the videos TEACH you how to do the moves (e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPFgNEKxMds or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7K6yFOjsJI). Anyway, I'm not trying to make you do anything you don't want - and my favorite summer exercise is a 15-mile bike ride so I totally get the psychological aspect of doing things. But, I am a big fan of getting all the information before you make a decision, and because I'm a huge proponent of year-round exercise, I just wanted you to know all your options.

JayEll, have you ever read the posts of Scott Abel (http://scottabel.blogspot.com/). He is that most unusual of people- an exercise and "diet" (actually, anti-diet-mentality) coach who writes about the evils caused by the "forced march" of modern societal expectations, especially toward women's appearance. I sense his ideas would resonate with you - you may want to check him out; he's certainly influenced my thinking.

After a week of super-clean eating and daily exercise, my weight hasn't shifted an ounce. To make myself feel better, I kept right on eating after dinner tonight :>( Must cut myself off. Now.

saef
05-03-2013, 07:05 AM
You know how you just **know** when your weigh-in is going to be disappointing? I knew last night when I looked at my stomach. And so earlier this morning, I was standing in the kitchen making coffee, putting off my regular Friday morning appointment with the scale -- as if by walking around a little first, I could perhaps lose some tiny fraction of a pound. And yes, this week seems to have erased much of last week's loss. I'm at 150.7. But I understand because I have not restricted much, just cut back on snacking on nuts. This loss is going to be a tough one.

alinnell
05-03-2013, 10:22 AM
Remember when I got a new scale for Christmas? Remember how I was leery of it because it requires batteries? Well, this morning it weighed me 7 pounds less than I expected. Same result for about six weighs (yeah, obsessed one here). I tried my old scale and got a result closer to what I expected. Went back to the new one and got a weight closer in line with what I expected BUT still clearly lower than it should be. I guess replacing the batteries will be necessary.

traveling michele
05-03-2013, 11:26 AM
You know how you just **know** when your weigh-in is going to be disappointing? I knew last night when I looked at my stomach. And so earlier this morning, I was standing in the kitchen making coffee, putting off my regular Friday morning appointment with the scale -- as if by walking around a little first, I could perhaps lose some tiny fraction of a pound. And yes, this week seems to have erased much of last week's loss. I'm at 150.7. But I understand because I have not restricted much, just cut back on snacking on nuts. This loss is going to be a tough one.

Oh yes... I hear you here. I knew as well. My weight continues to climb. Not sure what else to do. I guess true reflection needs to come into play and real restriction needs to start. I had really hoped to be back down before dh came home. He comes home Sunday and I'm higher than when he left. He is tired of Chinese food and is dreaming of great food (ie-- restaurants) here. So I know I'm in trouble.

krampus
05-03-2013, 04:08 PM
You know how you just **know** when your weigh-in is going to be disappointing? I knew last night when I looked at my stomach. And so earlier this morning, I was standing in the kitchen making coffee, putting off my regular Friday morning appointment with the scale -- as if by walking around a little first, I could perhaps lose some tiny fraction of a pound. And yes, this week seems to have erased much of last week's loss. I'm at 150.7. But I understand because I have not restricted much, just cut back on snacking on nuts. This loss is going to be a tough one.

It's amazing how much "cutting back on small things" feels like all-out restricting. I am in the same boat.

I know for you, and for me too, too much restriction and vigilance could topple the house of cards and the holographic "well balanced healthy person" we show the world - to great psychological and emotional, physical too, detriment.

saef
05-04-2013, 01:00 PM
Krampus, yes, a serious portion of my life is devoted to presenting myself as a walking "optical illusion," to quote Jenna Marbles.

Yesterday I got up too late, fretting over a meeting at which I'd have to talk about a plan of attack for collecting data from four spreadsheets and 10 pivot charts. I took two antihistamines because the tree pollen suddenly got to me, walked to the gym, did cardio, found I'd forgotten my weight routine, felt completely at a loss. Went home, uneasy at not having done what I'd planned. Found myself feeling so cold in sweaty clothes that I shook, but I couldn't change, because I had to take a call. Drank a lot of chamomile tea with stevia, and then found myself eating spoonfuls of stevia, standing up in the kitchen. An ugly, ugly binge. Connected somehow to not having done weights and to intense nervousness over the spreadsheet thing. Only after the meeting -- which was not disastrous, though I was clearly the least data-crunching & analytical person on the call -- did I calm down. Then I started falling asleep at my desk due to the antihistamines. When I am like this, in my half-crazy state, if I add extreme food restriction to the mix, I am asking for a return of ugly binge behavior.

I want to be kinder to myself this weekend. I want not to think about work. Unfortunately, I need to teach myself a little Excel in my spare time for a Tuesday meeting. My goal is just to cook healthily for the coming week. This is not time for a return of the severe calorie-aware regimen.

JenMusic
05-05-2013, 04:51 PM
I've been eating well all week, neither restricting nor overeating. Yesterday my calories were slightly higher, but within my range. I had a large brunch after church with a friend but tracked things, and if today were a "normal" Sunday I'd be fine and feel good about weighing in tomorrow.

But it's not a normal Sunday, is it? It's Cinco de Mayo, a made up holiday that is all about over-indulging. And I'm meeting friends for dinner at a Mexican place, and everyone will be drinking margaritas and downing tortilla chips and deep fried things. And I want to join them and eat and drink with reckless abandon. I also want my scale to move downward at tomorrow's weigh in. Those things are mutually exclusive.

Grrrrrrrrrrr.

kittycat40
05-05-2013, 07:31 PM
Saef, sounds rough.
Jen, yes, grrrrr.
Kramp, speaking to the outside world :

Ladies, I think my town biatches are talking about whether or not I'm anorexic. (per some comments and my own interactions with some folks)

Unfortunately, I know what that Really is, and I also know I am not.

I have stayed at this lower weight all year, with relative ease. I know what foods are better for me, how much of them are better, and what lesser food choices feel like. I have been running.

talk about grrrrr and image to the outside world

on the upside, today I did a half marathon! I ran with the 2:45 pacer and came in at 2:41. I am totally at peace with this :)

my friend, with whom I drove, was upset with 2:02. I reminded her she just ran 13.1 miles and was pretty awesome.

let's forge on. it's not easy, but we must.

alinnell
05-05-2013, 09:50 PM
Unfortunately I'm one to give in to my inner demons. Anorexia? I love food too much. And it's all about homemade for Cinco de Mayo tonight. I don't relish looking at the scale tomorrow.

Went to see Iron Man 3 today. What fun! Laughed a lot!

krampus
05-06-2013, 12:08 PM
saef, I hope your week will be as boring and routine and moderate as humanly possible.

alinnell, what did you make at home for Cinco de Mayo?

kitty, CONGRATS on the half! That's awesome. I don't know where you live but I'm sorry people are accusing you of having an eating disorder. Tell them all to shut up!

Jen, how was your day? I went completely overboard, weighed in, and it wasn't that bad. I'll weigh less eventually.

alinnell
05-06-2013, 12:21 PM
alinnell, what did you make at home for Cinco de Mayo?

It started with blackberry margaritas (used 12 ounces of fresh blackberries). Very good, not too sweet. I whipped up a batch of fresh guacamole (my first time at making this and even DS said it was really good and he doesn't like avocados) and finally some chicken enchiladas using a rotisserie chicken. I did partake of everything, but all in moderation. And yet the darn scale said I overate.

JenMusic
05-06-2013, 01:38 PM
Oh, I definitely overdid it at the restaurant - by a lot. Which wouldn't be a big deal but I allowed it to turn into a binge when I got home. :( I love peanut butter, and in my mood at the time I decided I'd already "ruined" the day and just started eating it by the spoonful. Gross.

I'm not mad about the overeating, I'm mad at the falling back into old habits.

The scale was up this morning, of course. Yes, it'll come down again, and I'm not going to beat myself up too badly. But I also can't be too forgiving to myself, you know? I mean, it's been awhile since I've done this, but I can't allow it to keep happening.

bargoo
05-06-2013, 01:43 PM
Oh, I definitely overdid it at the restaurant - by a lot. Which wouldn't be a big deal but I allowed it to turn into a binge when I got home. :( I love peanut butter, and in my mood at the time I decided I'd already "ruined" the day and just started eating it by the spoonful. Gross.

I'm not mad about the overeating, I'm mad at the falling back into old habits.

The scale was up this morning, of course. Yes, it'll come down again, and I'm not going to beat myself up too badly. But I also can't be too forgiving to myself, you know? I mean, it's been awhile since I've done this, but I can't allow it to keep happening.

Jen, this is exactly why I do not allow peanut butter in my house.

krampus
05-06-2013, 04:04 PM
Oh, I definitely overdid it at the restaurant - by a lot. Which wouldn't be a big deal but I allowed it to turn into a binge when I got home. :( I love peanut butter, and in my mood at the time I decided I'd already "ruined" the day and just started eating it by the spoonful. Gross.

I'm not mad about the overeating, I'm mad at the falling back into old habits.

The scale was up this morning, of course. Yes, it'll come down again, and I'm not going to beat myself up too badly. But I also can't be too forgiving to myself, you know? I mean, it's been awhile since I've done this, but I can't allow it to keep happening.

Ugh the peanut butter binge is the worst. I've been down that road a few times - I never do it unless I'm drunk nowadays probably because I have more fat in my diet.

I don't know about you, but I am like a mustard gas factory over here. This is all the incentive I need to get my act together. We'll move on!

JayZeeJay
05-06-2013, 06:01 PM
I got engaged over the weekend! It was done in a very typical way for my boyfriend. We went away for the weekend up the coast. Saturday, we were midway through a grueling mountain bike ride, and we had already 1) forded a river with our bikes on our shoulders (and I slipped where it was deep and banged my knee on the rocks); 2) ran away from a bear; and 3) climbed a mountain all day. So of COURSE the time to propose to me is when we are filthy, sweating and exhausted (and I'm also bleeding)! He packed the ring along the entire time because this was his plan - somehow this made sense to him.

We also saw a pod of grey whales just off the coast (literally about 10 feet off of the beach, there was a deep shelf) and two of them were breaching straight up in the air right next to us. So incredible. Of course does either of us have a phone or camera? No. Of course not.

I'm not weighing myself for a little while. It was an active, exercise filled weekend but we also celebrated with way too much booze and food - I vaguely remember stuffing some sort of pastry into my mouth one night but was too drunk to even register what it was. We'll let that debauchery pass through the system first.

JenMusic
05-06-2013, 06:19 PM
Jay - CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




I don't know about you, but I am like a mustard gas factory over here. This is all the incentive I need to get my act together. We'll move on!

Um, YES! What is UP with that?!?! My poor digestive system.

Bargoo, yeah, I've tried both ways, but I think - right now - it's banished again.

Mudpie
05-06-2013, 06:25 PM
I got engaged over the weekend! It was done in a very typical way for my boyfriend. We went away for the weekend up the coast. Saturday, we were midway through a grueling mountain bike ride, and we had already 1) forded a river with our bikes on our shoulders (and I slipped where it was deep and banged my knee on the rocks); 2) ran away from a bear; and 3) climbed a mountain all day. So of COURSE the time to propose to me is when we are filthy, sweating and exhausted (and I'm also bleeding)! He packed the ring along the entire time because this was his plan - somehow this made sense to him.

We also saw a pod of grey whales just off the coast (literally about 10 feet off of the beach, there was a deep shelf) and two of them were breaching straight up in the air right next to us. So incredible. Of course does either of us have a phone or camera? No. Of course not.

I'm not weighing myself for a little while. It was an active, exercise filled weekend but we also celebrated with way too much booze and food - I vaguely remember stuffing some sort of pastry into my mouth one night but was too drunk to even register what it was. We'll let that debauchery pass through the system first.

:congrat: :bravo: on your engagement!

And some would see it as quite a romantic thing to do, packing a ring along on what clearly was a day filled with activities you like to do together. The whales would be the "icing on the wedding cake" :lol:

Dagmar :dizzy:

Shannon in ATL
05-06-2013, 06:27 PM
JayZeeJay - congratulations!

Kitty - high five on the half! Woo!

Jen & Krampus - I didn't overdo this weekend and still feel bloated and uncomfortable. I feel somewhat cheated by that.

:wave: everyone!

traveling michele
05-06-2013, 06:51 PM
Congratulations Jay! That sounds very memorable!!

CherryPie99
05-06-2013, 07:13 PM
Jay - a MAJOR congrats!!!!

I am so jealous - sounds like a DREAM proposal to me!!!!

Much different then what happened when I got "engaged".

Jen

alinnell
05-06-2013, 07:33 PM
That is so cool, Jay!!! Congratulations!

A friend's daughter is currently in Hawaii with her boyfriend. My friend and her husband expect their daughter to come home engaged as well.

saef
05-06-2013, 07:46 PM
JayZeeJay, you're gonna have a great story to tell now for years and years, what with the bear, the whales, the sweat, the blood and the engagement ring. Look, it's up to each of us to define what our relationships are going to be about, and what "romantic" means -- and if your guy doesn't think that the cliches that are routinely foisted upon us to sell us stuff mean anything, and thinks a coastal bike ride and mountain climb are a truer setting for declaring himself, then good for you: You found one of the good ones.

Kitty, only people who don't really understand what anorexia is really like apply it carelessly when they see a woman who's thinner than they are, or who makes mindful choices about food in their presence. Probably you just made them uncomfortable with themselves and their choices, and they turned judgmental and went for a cheap shot, so they could kind of bond for a couple seconds with each other over their shared discomfort. Wasn't Jen/CherryPie coping with that the other day, too?

JenMusic, you know, it's never good when I find myself in the kitchen, standing up, with a spoon in one hand and a container of something in the other hand. I always have a moment of, "Oh, s%$#t, not again!" Then there's this moment when I decide to stop or proceed. Mostly I'm able to stop it. The other day, I was not. Oh, and stevia, eaten by the spoonful? Is not worth it and is not satisfying, and is not even food. Why did I want an incredible jolt of sweetness? Did I really think it would beam me up out of my life and into a soothing heavenly place?

Doing better today, because that 9 AM call that I'd dreaded turned out to be nonconfrontational. Now if I can talk myself into getting to bed early and getting a good night's sleep, I'll be doing even better tomorrow. I am carrying around this slight edge of anxiety and can't quite get a handle on it. Like I'm braced for something painful or punitive. Figuring that out is what I've got to work on. Eating will not solve it.

bargoo
05-06-2013, 08:33 PM
Jay, congratulations !

alinnell
05-06-2013, 08:35 PM
On the peanut butter topic: each and every morning for the past 3 or 4 months, I've had to make a PB&J for DS to take to school because the lunch lines are too long and once he gets his food, there is no time to eat it. I can't even imagine how many kids go to his school--over 400 in the senior class alone! Anyway, I have to fight with my dogs as to who gets to lick the knife with PB residue! So, out of every 5 days, I get at least one lick--maybe two, but that's it. A lick. The other days one of the two dogs gets the lick.

Mudpie
05-07-2013, 06:24 AM
On the peanut butter topic: each and every morning for the past 3 or 4 months, I've had to make a PB&J for DS to take to school because the lunch lines are too long and once he gets his food, there is no time to eat it. I can't even imagine how many kids go to his school--over 400 in the senior class alone! Anyway, I have to fight with my dogs as to who gets to lick the knife with PB residue! So, out of every 5 days, I get at least one lick--maybe two, but that's it. A lick. The other days one of the two dogs gets the lick.

i have a mental image of you standing in your kitchen Allison, with a labrador on either side, drooling and staring at you with pleading eyes as you get your turn at the PB knife. :rofl:

Dgmar :tired: