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Porthardygurl
03-26-2013, 02:59 PM
I keep hearing about Paleo..but what is it? What kind of plan is it? What do you eat? Is it a weight loss diet? Or is it just a healthy eating thing like going vegan or vegetarian?


carrieanne6
03-26-2013, 03:17 PM
They say you lose weight on Paleo, but if you eat too much you won't. Basically it's eating like a caveman from paleo times, before agriculture was used. That limits your food choices to an unnatural degree, but if you read the books and the reasonings, it makes sense. You can't eat ANY grains at all, or any dairy (although some aren't as strict and allow a little cream and butter from time to time, most use coconut oil for those things). They eat lots of meat and fish and poultry, and fruits and vegetables and nuts. If you go to Marks daily Apple (google it) you'll find a ton if information on Paleo eating.

gymrat05
03-26-2013, 03:45 PM
The theory behind paleo is that your genetics have not evolved in the last thousands of years, so we should only eat what our Paleolithic ancestors would've eaten because this will be the best for us genetically in terms of weight management, health and disease. The claim is that Paleolithic ancestors did not eat grains, legumes, dairy or soy as these could not have been consumed at the time because of the extra processing they require. You're basically allowed meat, eggs, vegetables, nuts, and a little fruit. It's very trendy right now because a lot of CrossFitters are using it.

Some versions of Paleo are really strict and others are more flexible. Primal, for example, lets you have dairy.

The thing is, paleolithic ancestors didn't actually eat these foods exclusively. Anthropological research has shown that these people did have tools that were used for grain processing and ate a lot foods like wild rice and white potatoes. This was as long as 105,000 years ago. In contrast, certain popular "paleo" foods like broccoli and spinach were likely never consumed by many people from this era and certain regions of the world. What you ate depended heavily on where you lived. Humans were opportunistic omnivores. They found a way to eat whatever they could.

I know a lot of people swear by paleo and have had success with it, but for all intents and purposes, it's a low carb diet (though a much healthier one). Yes, you eat whole foods and lots of vegetables, but that's what it is. I know the paleo lovers get mad when it gets looped in with other low carb diets, but it's the truth. If you do well on low carb diets you will do well on paleo weight-loss wise. And if you can sustain these eating practices then it will work for you weight-loss wise.


Jez
03-26-2013, 04:25 PM
You can't eat ANY grains at all Semantics, but it's not that people on paleo CAN'T eat grains. They don't want to. Like vegetarians don't want to eat meat. It's not that they can't. They are diets one chooses for health, and they feel is the ideal way to eat, not one they HAVE to stick to for X results.

it's a low carb diet (though a much healthier one). Yes, you eat whole foods and lots of vegetables, but that's what it is. I know the paleo lovers get mad when it gets looped in with other low carb diets, but it's the truth. If you do well on low carb diets you will do well on paleo weight-loss wise. And if you can sustain these eating practices then it will work for you weight-loss wise. Not true.

joefla70
03-26-2013, 05:02 PM
They say you lose weight on Paleo, but if you eat too much you won't. Basically it's eating like a caveman from paleo times, before agriculture was used. That limits your food choices to an unnatural degree, but if you read the books and the reasonings, it makes sense. You can't eat ANY grains at all, or any dairy (although some aren't as strict and allow a little cream and butter from time to time, most use coconut oil for those things). They eat lots of meat and fish and poultry, and fruits and vegetables and nuts. If you go to Marks daily Apple (google it) you'll find a ton if information on Paleo eating.

I don't why coconut oil is ok as a substitute for butter? It seems like one thing that cavemen didn't eat is just being substituted for another. Surely they didn't have oils of any kind at that time. That is a more modern invention.

gymrat05
03-26-2013, 10:16 PM
Actually it is, Jez. New research published recently in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Science and Nature (among others) are suggesting that some people are genetically going to do better on low carb diets. And from personal experience it makes sense. I Followed paleo and paleo-like diets religiously for months (going so far as to cut out all fruits and nut butter and no paleo "treats" whatsoever) and I ended up 6lbs heavier than when I started. Some people have a gene that predisposes them to do better on low fat diets as well. It's about finding what works for you.

And as I mentioned, paleo is not actually a paleolithic diet. It's a marketing gimmick. If it works for you, that's fantastic, but call a spade a spade. No grains, no bread, minimal fruit and no beans or legumes is going to result in a lower carb diet.

SnowPetal
03-27-2013, 01:44 AM
Marks Daily Apple is a resource for primal eating not paleo. They are different things. Dr Loren Cordain (google his name) is the expert and founder of the paleo diet movement. His website is full of fantastic information including published studies. Paleo is a healthy scientifically proven and studied way of eating. It's not a fad or specifically a weightloss diet, just a general healthy way of eating. And no paleo is not a low carb diet, it is lower than the western diet which is high in carbs, but it isn't 'low'. Fruit and vegetables including sweet potatoes are freely eaten on the paleo diet with no carb counting.

celigirl88
03-27-2013, 01:16 PM
I have had numerous friends try to start this diet, and then quit soon after. You have to be very strict, especially if you follow it the way it's supposed to be followed. A lot of them substititued things but then felt it was way to hard with the way they live to continue the diet. It's not for everybody.

Keep Moving Forward
03-27-2013, 04:34 PM
This article (http://www.salon.com/2013/03/10/paleofantasy_stone_age_delusions/) talks about the evolutionary reasons that I disagree with the science behind the Paleo diet, but I also think modern, 1st world lifestyles are just far too different than that of a caveman's to justify trying to copy a caveman-like diet. For instance, my ancestors were nomadic Native Americans but I don't have to hunt, chase down, kill & butcher my own meat, or travel wide distances on foot to find herds of buffalo. Nor am I living in a teepee with more exposure to extreme weather. My stationary (though active) lifestyle doesn't match that of my ancestors so matching their diet isn't really going to be the best for me.

All of that aside, some people do well on Paleo. As others have said, it works for some & not for others.

nelie
03-27-2013, 04:59 PM
Marks Daily Apple is a resource for primal eating not paleo. They are different things. Dr Loren Cordain (google his name) is the expert and founder of the paleo diet movement. His website is full of fantastic information including published studies. Paleo is a healthy scientifically proven and studied way of eating. It's not a fad or specifically a weightloss diet, just a general healthy way of eating. And no paleo is not a low carb diet, it is lower than the western diet which is high in carbs, but it isn't 'low'. Fruit and vegetables including sweet potatoes are freely eaten on the paleo diet with no carb counting.

The published studies on his website focus mostly on exercise and a lot of dietary related issues that would apply to any diet, not just a paleo diet. I'm not sure how you can say paleo is scientifically proven. Scientifically proven to what? Not to kill you?

And I've known quite a few Paleo-types from when I did Crossfit and their meals were definitely low carb (when they followed Paleo-style) and many of them would debate things like sweet potatoes but for the ones that did eat them, ate them sparingly. They also ate fruit sparingly and focused on low sugar fruits. Now I'm not sure if this was their particular style but I wouldn't say they freely ate fruit or higher carb veggies.

AlmostMe
03-28-2013, 03:55 AM
Here's an image of woman on a genuine paleo diet...


http://img.ehowcdn.com/article-new/ehow/images/a08/0d/rv/early-stone-age-cave-art-800x800.jpg

Just sayin'

SnowPetal
03-28-2013, 04:26 AM
The published studies on his website focus mostly on exercise and a lot of dietary related issues that would apply to any diet, not just a paleo diet. I'm not sure how you can say paleo is scientifically proven. Scientifically proven to what? Not to kill you?

And I've known quite a few Paleo-types from when I did Crossfit and their meals were definitely low carb (when they followed Paleo-style) and many of them would debate things like sweet potatoes but for the ones that did eat them, ate them sparingly. They also ate fruit sparingly and focused on low sugar fruits. Now I'm not sure if this was their particular style but I wouldn't say they freely ate fruit or higher carb veggies.


Dr Cordains version of paleo - the original paleo movement diet (there are now heaps of variations) is not low carb, it is only lower carb.

It is scientifically proven to do what it claims to do. Improve your health, blood pressure, blood sugar levels, reverse/help type 2 diabetes, auto immune diseases etc. Also there is emerging research into these type of diets for the treatment of cancer tumors and so far the results are very good. This is because cancers fuel is glucose.

TripSwitch
03-28-2013, 06:40 AM
What I like about "paleo" is its emphasis on really high quality ingredients... and its avoidance of most of the processed "foods" that we've become so dependent on... Those I think are really good things... and what I personally strive for in my own "diet"... So from that perspective I think it does have some valuable things to offer...

So for me... I take what I like from "paleo"... and leave the rest... :)

nelie
03-28-2013, 06:45 AM
Dr Cordains version of paleo - the original paleo movement diet (there are now heaps of variations) is not low carb, it is only lower carb.

It is scientifically proven to do what it claims to do. Improve your health, blood pressure, blood sugar levels, reverse/help type 2 diabetes, auto immune diseases etc. Also there is emerging research into these type of diets for the treatment of cancer tumors and so far the results are very good. This is because cancers fuel is glucose.

Mostly any diet where you eat healthier foods, cut out excess sugars, limit calories, etc is proven to improve health, blood pressure, diabetes, etc. also, the bodies fuel is glucose so there is that.

SnowPetal
03-28-2013, 07:05 AM
Mostly any diet where you eat healthier foods, cut out excess sugars, limit calories, etc is proven to improve health, blood pressure, diabetes, etc. also, the bodies fuel is glucose so there is that.

They aren't actually. Most other diets are based around wheat and other grains that fuel the fire for auto immune diseases etc and promote chronic inflammation in the body. The body can actually fuel itself quite successfully on a high fat, low carb diet (a ketogenic diet). It does not have to have glucose to thrive. Ketogenic diets have been used since the early 1900's for the successful treatment of epilepsy and they are now seriously being looked at as treatment for cancer - google it. No other type of diet can shrink a tumor like it.

carrieanne6
03-28-2013, 07:40 AM
I followed Primal for a few months. I felt good, my triglycerides plummeted (they were never out of range but they went well below what they were to the bottom of the normal range), my "bad" cholesterol went slightly higher and my "good" went higher also, resulting in a higher count (above the desired 200). Suddenly my body was absorbing things way better than before and my vitamin D went from 39 to 97 (the doctor said she'd never seen such a high vitamin D - I'd been taking supplements but couldn't get it higher than around the 40 mark and she wanted it more like 60). I would have liked to continue eating that way but our society just doesn't support such a radically different way to eat - it's HARD. Primal is easier and even allows some alcohol, etc., but no grains or dairy is just really hard. Another thing about it was I know I was eating way more calories than I would eat normally but I never gained anything, and if I would have laid off the nuts I think I would have lost. :)

nelie
03-28-2013, 07:52 AM
They aren't actually. Most other diets are based around wheat and other grains that fuel the fire for auto immune diseases etc and promote chronic inflammation in the body. The body can actually fuel itself quite successfully on a high fat, low carb diet (a ketogenic diet). It does not have to have glucose to thrive. Ketogenic diets have been used since the early 1900's for the successful treatment of epilepsy and they are now seriously being looked at as treatment for cancer - google it. No other type of diet can shrink a tumor like it.

Maybe you should google other diets and outcomes. Yes, even diets with wheat and other grains have had positive health outcomes. Many people have improved their health through dietary changes and many of those dietary changes look nothing like the Paleo diet.

And in terms of ketogenic, aka low carb diets, and cancer. It looks like more research is needed. The one human study I found on NIH's website indicated every patient worsened or stayed the same. I think proof is a little too early to be called.

Wannabeskinny
03-28-2013, 07:57 AM
I didn't know there was a difference between paleo and primal. What's the difference?

What I like about "paleo" is its emphasis on really high quality ingredients... and its avoidance of most of the processed "foods" that we've become so dependent on... Those I think are really good things... and what I personally strive for in my own "diet"... So from that perspective I think it does have some valuable things to offer...

So for me... I take what I like from "paleo"... and leave the rest... :)

Amen! I just know that my body feels better when I eat less grains, more proteins, and lots of fresh vegetables. I've never seen a high carb diet work, even those who eat grains must limit them if they want to cut calories.

nelie
03-28-2013, 08:06 AM
Amen! I just know that my body feels better when I eat less grains, more proteins, and lots of fresh vegetables. I've never seen a high carb diet work, even those who eat grains must limit them if they want to cut calories.

Well people who eat high carb diets (which actually happens to be most of the world), limit calories for weight loss. So sure you cut grains but you may also cut a lot of non-grains. And in many parts of the world where obesity isn't an issue, grains are the primary staple of the diet.

SnowPetal
03-28-2013, 08:14 AM
Maybe you should google other diets and outcomes. Yes, even diets with wheat and other grains have had positive health outcomes. Many people have improved their health through dietary changes and many of those dietary changes look nothing like the Paleo diet.

And in terms of ketogenic, aka low carb diets, and cancer. It looks like more research is needed. The one human study I found on NIH's website indicated every patient worsened or stayed the same. I think proof is a little too early to be called.

I have done heaps of research on other diets - 2 years worth of research. All western diets inflame disease. Ketogenic diets are being studied by the barrow neurological institute in phoenix az amongst many other medical institutions. Ketogenic diets are almost zero carb and high fat which is not the same as just low carb. They require a specific breakdown of food and must be mainly fat to be successful.

SnowPetal
03-28-2013, 08:21 AM
Not to mention the majority of grains these days are genetically modified to meet the demand for them, they aren't what our great grandparents ate anymore.You do realise that until the 1950's our diets were not heavily based on grains. They were high in healthy fats, fruit, vegetables and proteins and limited in starchy carbs and obesity, type 2 diabetes, autoimmune disease and cancers were not common. When mass panic hit and we were all told to go low fat and high carb all these illnesses went through the roof and things got even worse in the 1980's when the low fat phenomenon hit big time. And they continue to get worse.

Roo2
03-28-2013, 08:38 AM
Not Low Carb?
why? Ok I understand the Grassfed ....but what is the other big difference?

Is this to create a Brand?

nelie
03-28-2013, 08:47 AM
Not to mention the majority of grains these days are genetically modified to meet the demand for them, they aren't what our great grandparents ate anymore.You do realise that until the 1950's our diets were not heavily based on grains. They were high in healthy fats, fruit, vegetables and proteins and limited in starchy carbs and obesity, type 2 diabetes, autoimmune disease and cancers were not common. When mass panic hit and we were all told to go low fat and high carb all these illnesses went through the roof and things got even worse in the 1980's when the low fat phenomenon hit big time. And they continue to get worse.

Our diets meaning who? Interesting enough, I've been reading little house on the prairie lately and their grain consumption is pretty crazy. My family talks about how it wasn't until recently where they ate a lot of meat. Corn, rice and to a lesser extent wheat, in addition to beans have been staples for hundreds of years for many parts of the Americas and still are for many. Asia has eaten rice, millet and other grains for thousands of years and again, for many, it makes up the majority of their diet.

And if you are interested in non-GMO grains, they are easy enough to find.

As well in that the low fat diet in the 80s did fine until people tried to make money off of it. Eating products that are low in fat, high in added sugar did no one any favors. Most low fat eaters these days concentrate on natural foods that are low in fat. Legumes, whole grains, fruits, veggies, etc. now I won't speak for everyone as I know at least 1 person on this site who lost over 100 lbs on a low fat diet commented that they regularly ate packaged products and I'm sure there are more out there but much of the diet guidance has shifted to a whole foods low fat diet.

Lastly I should say that this website supports people on vastly different diets. As long as you aren't doing something dangerous, we are open. We have also had people lose lots of weight and keep it off via a variety of methods, low carb, modified carb, low fat, etc. The common denominator is calorie restriction and some just focus on that. Whatever works for you is fine. If you follow Paleo or modified Paleo, go for it.

Roo2
03-28-2013, 09:14 AM
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I am from the camp of whatever diet works for you ...without demonizing others choices.

I have read things about various diets but I have hard time figuring out why Paleo is better or different from Low Carb .
Just don't get the big distinction? What am I missing ...went to the Website..

Oh Nelie Love Little House On The Prairie

SnowPetal
03-28-2013, 10:23 AM
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I am from the camp of whatever diet works for you ...without demonizing others choices.

I have read things about various diets but I have hard time figuring out why Paleo is better or different from Low Carb .
Just don't get the big distinction? What am I missing ...went to the Website..



Paleo is a diet based around fresh fruits and vegetables. Low carb focuses more on being protein and fats based and minimal fruits and very low starch vegetables. A paleo lunch and dinner for example would be a big serving of vegetables of all varieties with some lean protein and healthy oil added in. Snacks would be fruits, nuts etc.

SnowPetal
03-28-2013, 10:39 AM
Our diets meaning who? Interesting enough, I've been reading little house on the prairie lately and their grain consumption is pretty crazy. My family talks about how it wasn't until recently where they ate a lot of meat. Corn, rice and to a lesser extent wheat, in addition to beans have been staples for hundreds of years for many parts of the Americas and still are for many. Asia has eaten rice, millet and other grains for thousands of years and again, for many, it makes up the majority of their diet.

And if you are interested in non-GMO grains, they are easy enough to find.

As well in that the low fat diet in the 80s did fine until people tried to make money off of it. Eating products that are low in fat, high in added sugar did no one any favors. Most low fat eaters these days concentrate on natural foods that are low in fat. Legumes, whole grains, fruits, veggies, etc. now I won't speak for everyone as I know at least 1 person on this site who lost over 100 lbs on a low fat diet commented that they regularly ate packaged products and I'm sure there are more out there but much of the diet guidance has shifted to a whole foods low fat diet.

Lastly I should say that this website supports people on vastly different diets. As long as you aren't doing something dangerous, we are open. We have also had people lose lots of weight and keep it off via a variety of methods, low carb, modified carb, low fat, etc. The common denominator is calorie restriction and some just focus on that. Whatever works for you is fine. If you follow Paleo or modified Paleo, go for it.

Actually as I said the grains eaten years ago basically no longer exist. The majority are now genetically modified and non genetically modified is very hard to find unless you know a small wheat/grain grower who you can buy it from or you buy your own. EVERY grain in the shops is genetically modified. You really need to do some proper research. And countries like asia etc actually consume small amounts of grains and their traditional diets were based around fresh vegetables and proteins as well. That's all changed now anyway and they are all getting fat from western foods.

Most low fat diets are based on highly processed foods, that's how most low fat foods are made including yoghurt, cheese, milk etc etc...

There is a doctor named Terry Wahls that has secondary progressive ms and has managed to reverse it and halt it's progress by going paleo and cutting ALL grains out of her diet. She is now doing clinicial studies/trials on her diet with ms patients and parkinsons patients with great results. It is niave to deny the damage that grains do to the human body and unfair to bag something you have little knowledge of.

Keep Moving Forward
03-28-2013, 11:13 AM
What I like about "paleo" is its emphasis on really high quality ingredients... and its avoidance of most of the processed "foods" that we've become so dependent on... Those I think are really good things... and what I personally strive for in my own "diet"... So from that perspective I think it does have some valuable things to offer...

So for me... I take what I like from "paleo"... and leave the rest... :)


I agree with that; I think avoidance of processed junk is key in any diet really, and is definitely a positive point of paleo

nelie
03-28-2013, 11:27 AM
Actually as I said the grains eaten years ago basically no longer exist. The majority are now genetically modified and non genetically modified is very hard to find unless you know a small wheat/grain grower who you can buy it from or you buy your own. EVERY grain in the shops is genetically modified. You really need to do some proper research. And countries like asia etc actually consume small amounts of grains and their traditional diets were based around fresh vegetables and proteins as well. That's all changed now anyway and they are all getting fat from western foods.

Most low fat diets are based on highly processed foods, that's how most low fat foods are made including yoghurt, cheese, milk etc etc...

There is a doctor named Terry Wahls that has secondary progressive ms and has managed to reverse it and halt it's progress by going paleo and cutting ALL grains out of her diet. She is now doing clinicial studies/trials on her diet with ms patients and parkinsons patients with great results. It is niave to deny the damage that grains do to the human body and unfair to bag something you have little knowledge of.

I eat a low fat diet so I speak from my perspective. I know of many diets that promote a low fat diet and minimal processed foods. I don't eat dairy myself so I can't speak about yogurt, cheese, milk. There are many low fat diets that do focus on whole foods.

And do you have any evidence that all grains are genetically modified? Considering anything marked as Organic can't be genetically modified and certain countries have heavy restrictions on genetic modification. I tend to buy organic millet, barley, rice, oats, etc. I should also add that I'm not particularly anti-GMO but I think caution is required. most things I buy are organic and thus non-GMO just because I do my grocery shopping at an organic food market.

And again, sure Asian diets include fresh veggies, fruits and meat but in some area up to 80% of their calories come from grains. Rice and some other grains do make up the majority of many traditional Asian diets (and other traditional diets around the worl) and to think differently is naive.

As I said, if people are happy with Paleo go for it but as I said many people have had successes on low fat diets. I've also heard many medical claims by those on certain types of low fat diets but nothing happens in a vacuum. If you have a crappy diet and crappy health, improving your diet will most likely improve your health and we shouldn't discount exercise.

TripSwitch
03-28-2013, 11:53 AM
Actually... there are people that do their own vegetarian versions of "paleo" which I thought was pretty cool... which I know is probably considered heresy by most paleo people... but actually, when you look at it a lot of foods that raw vegans eat seem like they would be perfectly "paleo" to me for the most part... so to me anyway... someone eating paleo and someone eating raw vegan have a lot more in common than someone eating a standard American diet... well, actually, I think global industrial diet is a better term for it these days... IMHO...

nelie
03-28-2013, 12:03 PM
I'm a vegan but when I did Crossfit, I actually helped the Paleo eaters a lot with their diets. Many didn't know how to cook vegetables or eat things without dairy so I passed them a lot of recipes but I think they were on the fence about some things like cashews (which many said weren't Paleo) but is a primary ingedient you find in many vegan cream sauces. You can use sunflower seeds as well though.

Obviously we differed in that I didn't eat meat and I ate grains/legumes but there was still a fair amount of overlap.

Roo2
03-28-2013, 03:07 PM
So SnowPetal are you saying Paleo is a Higher Carb ..that's the difference in Paleo isn't that different then a Keotogenic diet?:dizzy: I'm confused cause I have looked into the Keotogenic diet for myself and this was not my take on it at all,but the cycle part of it??? Hmmm ..just trying to get a grasp with variants between the two.

So are you
Doing Paleo or Keotogenic? And do you feel those are the same?


Thanks for helping me clear up the confusion,
Roo2:carrot::carrot::carrot:

TripSwitch
03-28-2013, 04:28 PM
A ketogenic diet is a diet that restricts carbs enough to put you into ketosis... Atkins, IP, Medifast... are some examples... A paleo diet eliminates various carbs e.g. grains, etc. and could be ketogenic if someone chose to restrict carbs to that level... but it's quite easy to get more than enough carbs in a paleo diet to keep you out of ketosis... not hard to do at all...

SnowPetal
03-28-2013, 06:42 PM
I'm a vegan but when I did Crossfit, I actually helped the Paleo eaters a lot with their diets. Many didn't know how to cook vegetables or eat things without dairy so I passed them a lot of recipes but I think they were on the fence about some things like cashews (which many said weren't Paleo) but is a primary ingedient you find in many vegan cream sauces. You can use sunflower seeds as well though.

Obviously we differed in that I didn't eat meat and I ate grains/legumes but there was still a fair amount of overlap.

Who ever you were hanging out with clearly had no idea what they were eating or doing. Cashews are 100% paleo. The only one in the nut category that aren't paleo are peanuts as they are actually a legume. It sounds like you are basing your knowledge of paleo on information that isn't even paleo.

SnowPetal
03-28-2013, 06:54 PM
So SnowPetal are you saying Paleo is a Higher Carb ..that's the difference in Paleo isn't that different then a Keotogenic diet?:dizzy: I'm confused cause I have looked into the Keotogenic diet for myself and this was not my take on it at all,but the cycle part of it??? Hmmm ..just trying to get a grasp with variants between the two.

So are you
Doing Paleo or Keotogenic? And do you feel those are the same?


Thanks for helping me clear up the confusion,
Roo2:carrot::carrot::carrot:

I'm saying paleo isn't low carb, it is lower carb (than the western diet). A ketogenic diet is at the extreme end of paleo and very very low in carbs (under 20g a day) and very high in fats. Does that make sense?.

I am a paleo follower and have been since 2010, but I recently started a ketogenic version to shift weight I put on via medication as consuming a higher (not high) amount of carbs wasn't getting the weight off due to the medication changing my insulin levels. As I said keto is at the extreme end of paleo, so the veggies you consume are only lettuce, cucumber, zuchinni and a couple of others that are very very low in carbs and there is no fruit. A true keto diet has no cycle in it.

SnowPetal
03-28-2013, 07:16 PM
Considering anything marked as Organic can't be genetically modified and certain countries have heavy restrictions on genetic modification. I tend to buy organic millet, barley, rice, oats, etc. I should also add that I'm not particularly anti-GMO but I think caution is required. most things I buy are organic and thus non-GMO just because I do my grocery shopping at an organic food market.



Organic food is not 100% protected from becoming genetically modified either due to the risk of crops being contaminated by nearby genetically modified crops through cross-fertilization. This is actually happening.

nelie
03-28-2013, 07:16 PM
Who ever you were hanging out with clearly had no idea what they were eating or doing. Cashews are 100% paleo. The only one in the nut category that aren't paleo are peanuts as they are actually a legume. It sounds like you are basing your knowledge of paleo on information that isn't even paleo.

The reason it was debated was related to the toxins in cashews and it would've not been edible by paleolithic humans. (or so they believed) It wouldn't surprise me if Crossfit paleo doesn't match the official paleo as they tend to do things their own way.

SnowPetal
03-28-2013, 07:30 PM
The reason it was debated was related to the toxins in cashews and it would've not been edible by paleolithic humans.

They sound like primal eaters (marks daily apple style). Primal are somewhat fanatical about being just like their ideal Grok.

This is some great info on paleo: http://thepaleodiet.com/paleo-diet-faq/

Why grains aren't the best: A 1,000-calorie serving of whole grain cereal contains 15 times less calcium, three times less magnesium, 12 times less potassium, six times less iron, and two times less copper than a comparable serving of fresh vegetables. Moreover, whole grains contain a substance called phytate that almost entirely prevents the absorption of any calcium, iron, or zinc that is found in whole grains, whereas the type of iron, zinc, and copper found in lean meats and seafood is in a form that is highly absorbed.

Compared to fruits and veggies, cereal grains are B-vitamin lightweights. An average 1,000 calorie serving of mixed vegetables contains 19 times more folate, five times more vitamin B6, six times more vitamin B2 and two times more vitamin B1 than a comparable serving of eight mixed whole grains. On a calorie-by-calorie basis, the niacin content of lean meat and seafood is four times greater than that found in whole grains.

Roo2
03-29-2013, 12:22 AM
Thanks SnowPetal- I 'm currently doing IP which is low carb, and it has been a tremendous way for me to get to goal weight in a relatively short time.

Good Luck with your diet ,
Roo2

nelie
03-29-2013, 10:23 AM
They sound like primal eaters (marks daily apple style). Primal are somewhat fanatical about being just like their ideal Grok.

This is some great info on paleo: http://thepaleodiet.com/paleo-diet-faq/

Why grains aren't the best: A 1,000-calorie serving of whole grain cereal contains 15 times less calcium, three times less magnesium, 12 times less potassium, six times less iron, and two times less copper than a comparable serving of fresh vegetables. Moreover, whole grains contain a substance called phytate that almost entirely prevents the absorption of any calcium, iron, or zinc that is found in whole grains, whereas the type of iron, zinc, and copper found in lean meats and seafood is in a form that is highly absorbed.

Compared to fruits and veggies, cereal grains are B-vitamin lightweights. An average 1,000 calorie serving of mixed vegetables contains 19 times more folate, five times more vitamin B6, six times more vitamin B2 and two times more vitamin B1 than a comparable serving of eight mixed whole grains. On a calorie-by-calorie basis, the niacin content of lean meat and seafood is four times greater than that found in whole grains.

My philosophy is that everything doesn't have to be the most nutrient dense thing to be part of my diet. So yes grains have vitamins and for many of those vitamins, you can seek elsewhere. And I don't personally eat a lot of grains because sometimes I want something else. Like today for lunch, I am making a choice between brown rice or guacamole. So I'm having a bunch of veggies, beans and guacamole. Now I really like guacamole and I'm not particularly feeling brown rice today but other days it is different. Other times, I really like a bowl of veggies, brown rice, tofu and hot sauce.

Besides, for most people, they aren't replacing vegetable with grains, they are just generally omitting vegetables :) I eat a ton of veggies, especially since they are low calorie, get plenty of nutrients and I'm able to add grains in because my calorie count allows. Like my above example, I am swapping fat for grains in terms of calories but the nutrients aren't 1:1. It just generally works for me.

I think if people like Paleo or paleo-like diets, I do say go for it. Otherwise, find something that works for you.

SnowPetal
03-29-2013, 09:44 PM
Some may be interested in a thread I just posted in the carb section under 'other reduced carb diets' regarding insulin and obesity and why many specialists believe based on science that a paleo way of eating is the only way to fight obesity. It's an interesting read, even if you don't agree :)

Wannabeskinny
03-30-2013, 07:21 AM
Some may be interested in a thread I just posted in the carb section under 'other reduced carb diets' regarding insulin and obesity and why many specialists believe based on science that a paleo way of eating is the only way to fight obesity. It's an interesting read, even if you don't agree :)

I lean towards the paleo diet but it's a big statement to make that paleo is "the only way" considering that lots of diets work. Asian people eat a diet high in rice and seem to not suffer the same kind of obesity epidemic western diets do. Have you ever been to Italy? Those girls there are drop dead gorgeous while indulging in their gluten-full spaghetti. There IS a way to balance food and be healthy. I just can't do it. But I feel best when following a paleo-style diet.

AlmostMe
04-04-2013, 03:19 AM
In another thread, Nelie shared a TED talk from an anthropologist on the paleo diet and real paleolithic diets and what we can learn from them.

http://blog.tedx.com/post/45914179742/debunking-the-paleo-diet-christina-warinner

She summed up the key points in this thread: http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/weight-loss-news-current-events/278846-ted-talk-regarding-food-evolution-since-paleolithic-era.html#post4693351