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carolr3639
02-19-2013, 01:35 PM
Time for a new thread. Eat when you are hungry, stop when satisfied.


carolr3639
02-19-2013, 01:39 PM
A repeat that helps me.

This is a guest post written by Skwigg. This girl is a walking dictionary of food and nutrition facts, has read and tried MULTIPLE fitness plans, and every time I check, she’s read another “hot of the press” diet book. And, she tells it like it is.

skwigg

Well, it took like 25 years of trial and error, but I am a happy eater. I follow no rules. I count no calories. I’m completely over nutrient ratios, meal timing and measuring cups. Plus, as an added bonus, I’m not fat. Any time I’ve flirted with this “intuitive eating” stuff before, I’ve quickly become too fat for my little pants. This time I’m gradually losing. I’m 5’8″ and weigh 135-137 most days. I don’t know my percentage of body fat. It’s possible that I’m losing muscle and brains. I’m not concerned enough to get out the calipers. My Tanita scale tells me that I’m between 14% and 24% body fat. Helpful, eh? It’s like asking a Magic 8 Ball. The readout may as well say “Concentrate and ask again.” Or “Signs point to yes.” All I know is that my yoga pants are loose! Woohoo!

So, why did intuitive eating work this time when it’s destroyed my abs so many times before? I’ve been trying to figure that out. I know that in the past I’ve used intuitive eating as an excuse to binge. I’d turn to it after a bout of really restrictive dieting, or when I couldn’t face my nutrition software, or when I wasn’t accountable to a trainer. My “intuition” would tell me to eat boxes of glazed donuts and sheets of cookies. I’d gain weight, scoff at the total lameness of this “embrace your inner cow” intuitive hoody-hoo, and go right back to obsessive dieting, tracking and measuring. I wrote down every single thing I ate or drank for TWO YEARS. That was not fun, and actually not helpful.

I’m more relaxed now. I don’t make food decisions from a place of frustration and panic. My intuition really likes strawberries. I eat chocolate every day. I like bagels. I like to eat out. I’m not limiting myself to dieter food but I’m very aware of portions. I eat one Cadbury Egg, not six. I eat mini-bagels, not those bakery bagels the size of my head. I understand that a typical restaurant serving is enough to feed four people.

Last time I tried intuitive eating, portion control was my downfall. I believed those books that said to eat as many cookies as I wanted and that eventually I wouldn’t want as many. Right!! Weeks later, I still wanted every cookie that had ever been baked. I was reeling out of control on a blood sugar rollercoaster. The more junk I ate, the more junk I wanted. I was never able to pull it together enough to even maintain my weight, much less lose.

Some things that really helped me this time:

- I weigh myself every day. If you’re not going to count calories or measure your food, you’d better be keeping an eye on something. It could be weight, waist measurement, a caliper pinch, a pair of jeans, but you need some kind of objective feedback. If you choose not to track your food and not to look at any of your measurements, then you’d better go buy some fat pants.

- I eat what I want but I always control portions. Generally, the more I want something, the more I need to watch out. I can play fast and loose with spinach but I’d better take my ice cream in a single-serving container.

- I share. I never used to share before. Sharing is the greatest thing ever! You get to eat whatever you want and make everyone around you fat. Try it! Order the double-fudge super cookie dough caramel delight. Eat three bites and watch your dining companions devour the rest of it like hungry hyenas. Share your French fries. Split the sandwich. Order three tacos and only eat one of them. It’s exhilarating! Plus, I always have great leftovers.

- I strike a nice balance of healthy food and treats. You can’t eat an all-treat diet and look or feel very good. I eat loads of fresh fruits and vegetables every day. I love whole grains. I eat nuts and seeds like I’m a squirrel. I’m a sucker for a big salad. I enjoy lean protein as long as it’s not forced upon me every 2-3 hours. I eat a lot of healthy whole foods but I like to add a Pop Tart or Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup for good measure.

- I don’t eat six times per day, or three times per day, or three meals and two snacks. I don’t follow anybody else’s rules because how does the book or the calculator know what I’m doing or when I’m going to be hungry? It doesn’t. So, I eat when I feel like it. On an active, hungry day I might eat 5-6 times. On a lazy day with restaurant food, I might eat 2-3 times. I’m no longer dumb enough try to force three more meals after lunch at The Cheesecake Factory.

- I grasp the importance of good nutrition. I’m not knocking diet plans or nutrition programs, especially if you’re trying to achieve a sports performance or body comp goal. A little bit of structure can be good. I base my eating on the healthy principles I’ve learned but I don’t allow myself to become a slave to the details. And don’t believe that I can eat as many cookies as I want and still lose weight. Big derrrr there!

- I flow. That’s significant because I used to battle. I battled my weight. I struggled with willpower. I waged a war against fat. I fought with the numbers. I kicked myself when I slipped. My mindset was one big bloody massacre. My fitness goals were always at odds with what I really wanted, which was to relax and eat Cheetos. Now, if I want to relax and eat Cheetos, I do so immediately. No struggle. No stress. No guilt. I know that for my next meal I’ll choose something a little more ab-friendly.
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the shiv
02-20-2013, 10:14 AM
Yuck. Yuck. Yuck. I only played rugby for about 5 minutes (two scrums and a lineout, so lots of work for me). But I drank like I won the world cup. (We lost, btw)

I lost over a kilo overnight. Mostly from the diuretic effect of alcohol and puking my guts up all night. But it all came back - and as of this morning I'm only down .1kg for the week. Believe it or not that's not so bad. I'm still only 5 lbs from goal - and that had a deadline of 15 April. :)

On the upside I went for a hangover inspired fry-up and although I ate poorly, I didn't overeat.

I went for a run this morning and I'm still hungover, but I did it!! My son is off school this week for half-term and we've got an action packed day. Swimming with the boy and a tag rugby course tonight! I don't count this as exercise, but as physical activity. I believe that fun physical activity is the key to keeping the weight off.

Hope you're feeling better now! ;) Hangovers really mess with me, so I don't know how you managed your eating! Well done :D

Hope you have a great time with your son being off :)


pattygirl63
02-20-2013, 07:35 PM
carolr - Great article.

DH surgery went well and he is home recovering. I learned a lot about my body and what it does ad doesn't like. The day of the surgery eating was carb overload and I was craving something really healthy to eat and very run down by the time we got to the room after surgery. Did get to eat something that looked like over cooked goulash and it was soooooo salty but I ate it just because I had not eaten all day. I had taken me some info I got off of Mark Sisson's website on eating the Primal Lifestyle and I've decided to go with it. I've given up all sweetners except my Stevia in the Raw. Not eating any sugar right now although Mark said in an interveiw on Youtube said he eats a little chocolate everyday and I might do that later, but not now.

My FBS is starting to come back down which is the main thing for me right now. I do care about the weight coming off but right now I'm more interested in getting rid of the diabetes and start feeling better. I just don't like the way I feel lately and I was very upset with the fact that I had a really difficult time getting around at the hospital. I thought I was getting so much better, but not according to what I experienced. I got home and received a copy of an article from a friend about how aspertame effects people and how people are misdiagnosed with MS and get better after getting off diet drinks. I'm in this IE thing for becoming healthy so I'm doing IE with the Primary Lifestyle.

I am still thoroughly convinced diets are bad news. I read that people who do Paleo/Primal woe hate it when people call it a diet because diets are fads. Eating Paleo/Primal is a Lifestye of eating the way our ancestors ate. Like my BIL told me today, his grandparents and their siblings lived to be 100 yrs old eating the stuff we are told will kill us. I've heard my Daddy say the same thing. Interesting isn't it?

AlmostMe
02-21-2013, 09:16 AM
For me, I don't want to go 'paleo' because any type of restrictive diet triggers cravings in me - and guilt and self loathing when I eventually can't maintain the plan. No offense, but I do feel like paleo is a bit of a fad. BUT there are many great things to take from it. Good quality meat, basic ingredients, etc. that we cook ourselves. And most importantly avoiding a diet of processed foods. I believe diets plus the science behind processed foods which make us eat and crave it more (and sedentary lifestyle) are what makes us fat.

It may be that your recent ancestors lived well by eating stuff that was higher in fat, but I bet you anything they ate plenty of grains as well.

changeforme
02-21-2013, 05:30 PM
so yeah, ie oopsie. i sat down with some cookies, had my fill (about 2 cookies) said to myself that i was satisfied and proudly listened to my body and set the cookies down. a little while later i looked down and the plate was empty. gah! distracted eating much?

so i went for a long walk with the pup and listened to some podcasts on ie. i know i do a lot better with change when i take it one little baby step at a time, i'd just been bullheaded and didn't want to take the same approach to my health. so i'm breaking ie down into baby steps, my first one is focusing on eating and eating only when eating. i don't care if i'm eating because of emotional reasons or even binging - i'm going to do it at the table, with real dishes, without distractions. i'm not putting a time frame on this - i'm just going to make it my priority as far as ie, health, etc goes. once this becomes habit, then i'll look for a next step.

have you guys had any luck with this? the baby steps or the mindfulness of only eating at the table?

the shiv
02-21-2013, 06:55 PM
so yeah, ie oopsie. i sat down with some cookies, had my fill (about 2 cookies) said to myself that i was satisfied and proudly listened to my body and set the cookies down. a little while later i looked down and the plate was empty. gah! distracted eating much?

so i went for a long walk with the pup and listened to some podcasts on ie. i know i do a lot better with change when i take it one little baby step at a time, i'd just been bullheaded and didn't want to take the same approach to my health. so i'm breaking ie down into baby steps, my first one is focusing on eating and eating only when eating. i don't care if i'm eating because of emotional reasons or even binging - i'm going to do it at the table, with real dishes, without distractions. i'm not putting a time frame on this - i'm just going to make it my priority as far as ie, health, etc goes. once this becomes habit, then i'll look for a next step.

have you guys had any luck with this? the baby steps or the mindfulness of only eating at the table?

Well, I don't have a table (I don't even have a house!) ;) but all kidding aside: YES. Without a doubt. I just finished blogging about it actually, take a look if you're interested :) What I've discovered is that right now, I can only implement 1 or 2 changes at a time. With long periods of experimenting to find out what does & doesn't work for me. First step, cutting down on sugar & processed **** that made me feel awful? That took me over a month to start getting a handle on. Then truly doing IE, I have that sorted I think. But the exercise? I go all over the place trying to introduce changes, and it's because I've been getting ahead of myself.

I would say that the sad, slow answer is: if your change doesn't feel like something you'd be happy doing for life, you either need to persevere or admit it's not for you and try something else. I could try to run on a treadmill for 15 minutes as many times over as I'd like, but I know I won't stick with it like I'd stick with 3 solid hours of speed skating (this is why I used to be 112lbs and strong! I miss that :( ). Now, I've given up on trying things I know aren't working mentally, but I'll never give up trying to do it all NOW ;)

And if you're worried about the cookies... Don't be. Read my second last blog post and feel free to laugh, or whatever! ;)

About the paleo thing. It appeals to me. In as much as most of the time I feel good eating "clean" food that came out of a real plant, not out of a chemical plant. I'm not one for rules at all, and I gravitate towards low-carb naturally, and higher carb when I'm exercising. I do like to read up on different plans to see what knowledge can be gained from them, but not to FOLLOW them. I have found that personally, "following" tends to be a bad thing, as rules can't tell me how to live, but instinct and critical thinking and evidence can. But different weight loss communities can teach me a lot, much like there's a lot that can be learned from IE by people who find something different works for them overall.

pattygirl63
02-21-2013, 08:28 PM
Well, I would say that the sad, slow answer is: if your change doesn't feel like something you'd be happy doing for life, you either need to persevere or admit it's not for you and try something else. I could try to run on a treadmill for 15 minutes as many times over as I'd like, but I know I won't stick with it like I'd stick with 3 solid hours of speed skating (this is why I used to be 112lbs and strong! I miss that :( ). Now, I've given up on trying things I know aren't working mentally, but I'll never give up trying to do it all NOW ;)

And if you're worried about the cookies... Don't be. Read my second last blog post and feel free to laugh, or whatever! ;)

About the paleo thing. It appeals to me. In as much as most of the time I feel good eating "clean" food that came out of a real plant, not out of a chemical plant. I'm not one for rules at all, and I gravitate towards low-carb naturally, and higher carb when I'm exercising. I do like to read up on different plans to see what knowledge can be gained from them, but not to FOLLOW them. I have found that personally, "following" tends to be a bad thing, as rules can't tell me how to live, but instinct and critical thinking and evidence can. But different weight loss communities can teach me a lot, much like there's a lot that can be learned from IE by people who find something different works for them overall.

I agree 100%... this is the way I feel about rules Paleo/Primal as well. I don't have a hard fast rule on eating anything because when it becomes a rule for me it becomes a hindrance to my success. While there are things I want to become a habit, I do stay flexible because "life happens". Example for me eating the cookies would not be off limits to me. I don't want to binge on them but if I did I would look at why I did it and move on. Life is too short to spend time beating myself up and I hope you changeforme learned what you needed and moved on. I won't let moments like that mess me up any more. I also learn a lot of things that help me from different communities too. Being diabetic, I've learned that my body does better on low carb. It actually does great on Atkins way of eating, but I personally don't like cutting out fruit so I know mentally I will not stick with it. I also kno there are some grains that I am not willing to give up so I am working at learning how to do a lower carb and keep them in my program without going as strict as Atkins. Plus I don't want to count carbs or calories this is why I'm i the process of learning how to make IE work for me. It all comes down to the quality of life I want to live. I want to be able to walk without my legs hurting and without getting out of breath. My life depends on it.

AlmostMe
02-22-2013, 01:18 AM
pattygirl - thanks for that additional clarification... paleo-ish styles of eating! Nothing wrong with good meat and plenty of veggies, that's the way I like to eat, too.

Changeforme - one thing at a time.... for me exercise is what's easiest for me to start first, but it seems like for most others this isn't the case. So whatever works!

the shiv
02-22-2013, 08:33 AM
That's IT. I'm temporarily stuck at 200. I don't want a regain, so taking a maintenance break in the 196-200 range. My body seems to want to rest here. I don't like it, but what can you do? It'll pick up. Back to basics again.

AlmostMe
02-22-2013, 01:30 PM
What are you doing for maintenance that's different from IE in general. I figure I keep eating like this until I die. The weight will come off or it won't. But that's easy for me to say as I'm losing.

the shiv
02-23-2013, 12:46 AM
What are you doing for maintenance that's different from IE in general. I figure I keep eating like this until I die. The weight will come off or it won't. But that's easy for me to say as I'm losing.

I'm letting go of my obsession with it for a bit. For me, being obsessed with something means I get it done. But, I have other things to concentrate on right now. I'm going to act and think like I'm in maintenance. If the weight starts coming off again, great. Because fundamentally, IE is great, yes. But my aim is to LOSE WEIGHT. I'm just changing my aim, but not changing my methods. For me, the aim makes a difference.

AlmostMe
02-23-2013, 02:51 AM
That's very constructive way of thinking about it Shiv. For me, I just don't believe that I'm meant to be at this weight. It's almost entirely down to a very bad relationship with food - using it as a comfort instead of nourishment and the pleasure of eating tasty, healthful food. So as long as the relationship with food is ok then I'll lose weight and eventually maintain weight at something that's good for me.

But I do understand about goals...it really motivates my behaviour.

carolr3639
02-23-2013, 11:04 AM
Well, finally back from vacation. I don't do well on vacation. Not food wise, just don't feel good. Two days running around airports is one of the problems. Today I am just exhausted. Think I'll take it easy.

pattygirl63
02-23-2013, 07:34 PM
Hey Guys, Got results of my blood work and not too happy with it. While I'm still going IE eat what I want and eat till satisfied. I'm also counting calories and carbs. Not sure that makes me a real IEr, but I've got to make health the #1 goal for me. I've gained until I now have almost 100 lbs to lose. I just can't do that. Doctor has given me the next 3 months to get things back to normal so or I'll need more treatment to correct it. I honestly believe it can be done without meds so I'll be working toward that goal.

carolr3639
02-23-2013, 10:07 PM
Doctor has given me the next 3 months to get things back to normal so or I'll need more treatment to correct it. I honestly believe it can be done without meds so I'll be working toward that goal.You can do it Trish and I'll put you an my prayer list.

pattygirl63
02-24-2013, 01:18 AM
Thanks Carolr. I appreciate it.

the shiv
02-24-2013, 05:59 AM
Trish... I hope you're ok. I know you can do it, you seem to be very aware and thoughtful about how you eat *hugs* :)

pattygirl63
02-24-2013, 07:23 PM
This day 3 of checking calories/carbs to see how I'm eating even with IE and I'm amazed. My calories range from between 1200 to 1500 calories and my carbs are mostly under 100 grams which is exactly where I want them to be. I'm not restricting anything although I am eating more low carb. Interesting thing is that I found that one low carb food that I ate because it is low carb is actually very high calorie so I'm not using it to substitute what I really like and wanted any way. Still learning to trust my body for what it wants. So I guess I can do this and continue to be IE.

carolr3639
02-24-2013, 09:58 PM
Trish, have you ever heard of taking cinnamon or blood sugar control?

carolr3639
02-24-2013, 10:01 PM
I think I am losing again. Sometimes it's hard to tell because the scale fluctuates so much.

pattygirl63
02-25-2013, 12:57 AM
Trish, have you ever heard of taking cinnamon or blood sugar control?

Yes, it works for some people but not for me. It seems to raise mine.

AlmostMe
02-25-2013, 05:06 AM
I had a terrible week last week. My weight has fluctuated like crazy, but I can move the ticker down 1 lb. My home-life took a downhill plunge and my husband returned to his verbally abusive behaviour. This didn't help with staying on plan as I overate on several occasions.

I also had a terrible night with food last night...but I think I know partly what's going on. After we play rugby, we get free food from whatever club we're playing at. At my home club, I love the food. It's always pretty simple - a curry or a pasta - with salad, but it tastes really nice - and there's always a nice salad with it. We've played away the last two weeks and the food has been terrible! Since I started IE I've really been trying to eat only things I really like. But post-rugby, I was really hungry and ate the food even though I didn't really like it. This left me VERY unsatisfied. Plus I got drunk...

Anyway, I'm ready to get back on track and eat better.

changeforme
02-25-2013, 08:38 AM
trish, i'm waiting for my test results. i'm so worried that it's not going to be good news, thanks for being so positive and determined - you give me hope.

almost me, i'm really sorry about the stress at home right now, it sounds miserable. do you have a plan to change it? get out? big hugs.

fadedbluejeans
02-25-2013, 09:06 AM
... I got home and received a copy of an article from a friend about how aspertame effects people and how people are misdiagnosed with MS and get better after getting off diet drinks. I'm in this IE thing for becoming healthy so I'm doing IE with the Primary Lifestyle.


I have a real problem with aspartame, despite all the studies that say there is no scientific evidence that it messes with your body. I get palpitations, dizzyness, anxiety-attack type symptoms, then a hangover type feeling. It doesn't take a large amount - half a can of diet soda can do it. I have been off diet drinks (actually all soft drinks and anything else that has aspartame) for more than a year and I definitely feel better without it.

Good luck with everything!

carolr3639
02-25-2013, 04:24 PM
I don't really have a problem with aspartame but I rarely use it.

pattygirl63
02-25-2013, 10:36 PM
Didn't count calories/carbs... just kind of went with what I was feeling. I don't figure I'm going much over 1500 calories if I even reach that so don't think I have to count everyday. DH and I went to Wendy's today and I got their Carolina Classic burger and only ate half the bun. Got the small fries and between the 2 of us we didn't even eat half the fries. We always drink water even though the drink was free. So I consider today to be a good eating day making it 4 days of eating OP.

carolr3639
02-26-2013, 09:56 AM
We always drink water even though the drink was free. So I consider today to be a good eating day making it 4 days of eating OP.I considered getting water but got unsweetened ice tea instead.

pattygirl63
02-26-2013, 12:55 PM
I considered getting water but got unsweetened ice tea instead.

Thanks Carolr. I never really thought about that. I'll have to remember that next time. Blood sugar is coming back down thank God. Just have to keep doing what I'm doing. Just eating lower carb, not extreme lowcarb. Not counting anything. Just moving closer to what seems to be called "Clean Eating"... less processed. I get hungry for it sometimes, but by waiting instead of jumping up to go get something, I find that it seems to pass.

Have a great day Chickies.:)

carolr3639
02-26-2013, 05:54 PM
I get hungry for it sometimes, but by waiting instead of jumping up to go get something, I find that it seems to pass.
A good idea.

the shiv
02-26-2013, 07:50 PM
AlmostMe, *hugs*

carolr3639
02-27-2013, 09:05 AM
Had a bad day yesterday until afternoon but then managed to not eat the rest of the day so it evened out. Just wasn't hungry.

AlmostMe
02-27-2013, 05:13 PM
Yeah, I'm feeling more in control of my food today!!

Oh, and my rugby career is really about to take off....our starting prop broke her leg in the last game. :(

the shiv
02-27-2013, 06:39 PM
Yeah, I'm feeling more in control of my food today!!

Oh, and my rugby career is really about to take off....our starting prop broke her leg in the last game. :(

Oh no, I hope she heals up well! Glad you're feeling better today :) I've thrown myself off the wagon a bit in disgust at not losing more weight... Just enough to remind myself why I love the wagon so much! Debating whether to change my ticker and start over where I am. I'm bored with the whole maintenance break idea.

changeforme
02-27-2013, 06:52 PM
i got my labs back, not nearly as bad as i was bracing myself for. i'm so relieved. but next year i'm going to be ready to frame that print out :)

you guys are such an inspiration!

carolr3639
02-27-2013, 07:23 PM
i got my labs back, not nearly as bad as i was bracing myself for. i'm so relieved. but next year i'm going to be ready to frame that print out Yeah!!!

changeforme
02-28-2013, 11:38 AM
ok, i have a question for you guys. for me, i can tell that ie is going to take a long long long time to really sink in. i have a lot of hangups to work through. so my question is about how long it took you to really understand your fullness and be able to stop eating right at that moment, even if there is only one bite left on your plate.

i feel like even when i'm full, if the food was delicious and there's only a bite or two left, that i want that taste and i'll finish it. i can't tell how much of that is from my diet mentality of 'i get this much food, i'm going to eat every last stupid morsel because i'm allowed' vs 'holy crap that was so good i want to eat it by the bucket full but i'm only going to have these 2 bites extra and not go get a second plate full'

i just don't really understand what the ie way of approaching that situation would be, and what sort of mind set i should be working towards. as it is, i'm letting myself have those 2 bites after sitting with the feeling for a while, trying to understand what it is i'm really experiencing. i feel confused though, i know there are no real 'rules' with ie, but i guess i just don't know what i'm working towards there.

any feedback? thanks

AlmostMe
02-28-2013, 12:10 PM
changeforme - I really struggle with this one ...and I'm not sure I'll ever really 'get it'. One of the things that I do is stop when the last bite really wasn't as enjoyable as the previous bites. I can only notice this when I eat quite slowly - and put the fork or food down between bites.

I have also noticed that for me the portions I am serving myself have started to go down - I'm getting better at judging what's an appropriate amount to eat and so I can eat the whole amount and maybe be wanting 'one more bite' (which I try to not take!)

carolr3639
02-28-2013, 12:26 PM
.and I'm not sure I'll ever really 'get it'. So true.

the shiv
02-28-2013, 01:36 PM
Changeforme, big congrats on the lab results! That must be such a relief :D

I agree about the plate cleaning thing! I don't think I ever quite got it, but I count it as a NSV when I do! The same thing happened with my portions, I started scaling them back gradually until I found something I was comfortable with. I figure that if I get hungry again, I can always eat a bit more. That's the only long-term way I've managed to get round it.

About the knowing when you're hungry thing... I found an article I have to share with you, I hope it's ok to post the link here... It's to do with the way carbs affect our feeling hungry, and is exactly what I experienced when I did the Sugar Experiment (ie: eating all the donuts, because I could). I know it's probably got a lot to do with how refined sugars affect your leptin/ghrelin, which this article doesn't go into, but it reinforces exactly why I was getting the symptoms I was (incessant heartburn and constant "empty hunger")
http://www.nemechekconsultativemedicine.com/?page_id=1415

Now, don't all rush to kick me at once, but I've started tracking my food and exercise properly in MFP and am essentially calorie counting / low carbing. I only feel ready to do this now because I know how I like to eat, and I've got no fear of consuming massive amounts of food. But, I've regained almost half my weight loss, and it's keeping me focused. IE is still my "plan", so please don't boot me out of the thread! *hides*

Just... So much stress... It's too hard for me right now to constantly be mindful of how hungry I am, and what exactly it is I want to eat. I know from practice what my intuition tells me to eat, so I'm tracking that because I need to rein myself in a bit before I start putting sugar in everything again and telling myself I can "eat anything". In short, I'm just making myself accountable for eating how IE would tell me to eat "normally" (ie: when I can think straight). I know all too well I could turn IE into an excuse for a bingefest, and I'm steering myself away from that. It seems, though, I still eat food I like when I'm hungry and stop before I get full, but I'm making better decisions. I am very much at risk right now of telling myself I really DO want that box of donuts, when I really, honestly, don't. This way I can tell myself it's just not worth it, think about the cause of the stress, and return to the donuts later if it turns out I DO want them. This is long-winded, I know... I guess I'm trying to explain myself ;)

:)

carolr3639
02-28-2013, 01:58 PM
Just... So much stress... It's too hard for me right now to constantly be mindful of how hungry I am, and what exactly it is I want to eat.Yes and yes.

carolr3639
03-01-2013, 12:40 PM
We had this great tomato juice on the plane to Seattle......Motts.........so I got a case from Amazon because I won't can any more until Aug. and I only have 2 qt. left. It's funny how with IE you remember the good things you ate as a kid. My dad was a tomato juice fan.

AlmostMe
03-01-2013, 02:50 PM
Shiv - I find Paul McKenna really useful when I get the feeling I want junk when I know I really don't. I listen to the self-hypnosis recording (I have it as an iPhone app) and it seems to get me back on track.

I weighed in at my goal weight this morning!!! I haven't changed the ticker because it's not my official day to change and it seems like a lot of weight to lose in a few days (although I haven't lost much at all in the past couple of weeks).

Carol, you're making me jealous with this talk of tomatoes. I guess you grow your own. I love home grown tomatoes, but it's hard as heck to get them to grow well in England. I miss the smell of fresh picked 'maters - warm from the garden. Sometimes in the summer in my childhood we'd just have fresh picked corn on the cob, tomatoes and cucumbers as our main meal. Soooo delicious.

carolr3639
03-01-2013, 03:14 PM
I weighed in at my goal weight this morning!!! Wonderful!!

carolr3639
03-01-2013, 03:16 PM
Sometimes in the summer in my childhood we'd just have fresh picked corn on the cob, tomatoes and cucumbers as our main meal. Soooo delicious.We do that, too. Gardening is a lot of work but the end result is lovely.

the shiv
03-02-2013, 12:44 AM
AlmostMe, big congrats! Even if it creeps up a bit in the interim, the first time you see it is a great feeling :D

carolr3639
03-02-2013, 11:38 AM
House full of people today......23 for supper I think. Seems like I've been cooking since 7am. More to come..........cooking, that is.

pattygirl63
03-03-2013, 01:56 PM
Weight is up today. So I have decided that I do have to count calories/carbs, but I can still combine it with Intermittent Fasting and IE. Not setting a calorie/carb goal to reach, just keepig up with them just for information. I don't eat until noon most days any way so I will just go with it and make my eating window between noon and 8 pm since I don't like to eat too close to bed time. Still choose to eat only the foods I really like and enjoy and eat only when hungry and stop eating when satisfied.

Actually realized today that this is really how I ate growing up until I was convinced by "diets" that I had to eat breakfast and needed to eat more meal. I realized that growing up, I never ate until noon or lunchtime @ school and then didn't eat again until suppertime around 5ish. Never had snacks. Sometimes the hours varied depending on what was happenig at the time and I never got hungry. I was a "natural" "norma" Intermittent Faster + a IE was "normal" for me at the same time.

Why oh why do we listen to what "they" say and WHO ARE "THEY" ANY WAY.:?::dizzy:

the shiv
03-03-2013, 04:20 PM
Trish, I'm doing the same and it's working so far (I've lost my regain of 8lbs, and am 1lb above my "set point" of 196... TOM from yesterday, so if last month is anything to go by, i'm hoping to get boosted through the plateau within a week). I do think IE is a brilliant long-term way to eat well, and healthily, but to help the weight loss process (which is the ultimate point of it in the first place, for many of us), where's the harm in "borrowing" little bolt-ons from other plans? I do think, though, that you need to be grounded in IE first, before adding any counting or tracking of numbers, not vice versa.

You have the healthy attitude part down, and that's the foundation. That always needs to be the foundation, and you have it right :)

Do you use My Fitness Pal? They have a good desktop site and I use the iOS app. It has a barcode scanner! You can just scan your food with your phone and it inputs all your nutrition info, plus you can do the same with ingredients to make your own recipes :)

pattygirl63
03-03-2013, 07:08 PM
Actually I have had a really great day. Cutting my window down an hr because I have to get up much earlier tomorrow so must go to bed earlier than usual. As I said, I'm not using calorie/carb counting as a diet but more of a guide to see what I'm doing. I write down on paper what I eat as I do a lot of my preparations homemade to cut down on processed foods. Calories will end up being less than 1100 and carbs are 65. Not planned that way, just not hungry enough for more. I am very pleased.

Busy week ahead of us. DH has 3 doc appts and I have to go to the beauty salon Tues and hope I can get in Wed morning for pedicure and fills. However, all that running should equal some exercise. lol

carolr3639
03-03-2013, 07:18 PM
However, all that running should equal some exercise. lol
Absolutely!

AlmostMe
03-04-2013, 04:08 PM
My weight didn't quite stay down at goal, but I was able to move the ticker down and I'm only 1lb away.

I mostly ate pretty well.... but Sunday when I play rugby is always really weird. I think I'm not going to worry about it. It was an away game and we had a looong journey. However, the bus stopped on the way back at a KFC and most of the girls got out and got fried chicken. I asked myself "Do I want this?" and I said "Heck no..." I was a little hungry but I really, really didn't want that chicken which tends to make me feel yuck afterwards - so many horrible chemicals in it. And I was proud of myself as it would have been so tempting to eat that as I'd already hit the cider.

carolr3639
03-04-2013, 05:32 PM
Do I want this?" and I said "Heck no..." I was a little hungry but I really, really didn't want that chickenGood work.

carolr3639
03-05-2013, 01:39 PM
I've debated for a few years whether to get Maggie Miller's book, Eat When You're hungry. It is 4 yr. old and still about $16 for and 82 page paperback. I've heard it is really good. She had a blog but she hasn't posted for a year.

carolr3639
03-05-2013, 07:47 PM
Another book I always wanted and finally bought after the price came down was Beyond Chocolate by a couple of British women. It was good but The Overfed Head is still my favorite.

pattygirl63
03-05-2013, 08:18 PM
Well, my IF/IE is going great again. Just hope I can keep it going. I realize it is a process of learning a lifestyle that works for me. DH and I went to eat at his favorite fish place after his post-op check up. We both realized when we got half way through the meal that we will never order more than one meal and half it. Neither of us wanted 2 pieces of fish. A good lesson learned. Then today we went to Golden Corral. I got what I thought was just a few bites of each of the foods I wanted to eat. Amazing, I couldn't eat but about half. Even ate only half of my favorite dessert I always get when I go there. When I left I told DH "I should not have had the last two bites of my dessert".

When I got home I realized that by combining IF with IE, I am actually eating the way I ate when I was growing up and people would leave me alone and let me do my own thing. When I was a teen, I hated dates who took me out to a nice or fancy restaurant because I would get so nervous that I would get sick at my stomach because I didn't want to have to order a full meal because I felt like I had to eat it all and I would be miserable. I remember one time when my sister and I double dated that she told me "Eat whatever you want, because they can afford it". The strange thing about it that I still remember after all these years, I really didn't want anything because I wasn't hungry. Back then I would cook for my sisters when Mama and Daddy were going out, but I didn't eat simply because I wasn't hungry.

Now that I'm eating the way I did when I was young, I am again eating only what I really want and nothing else. In fact, I'm cleaning out my kitchen... freezer and fridge. I told DH we have some things in our fridge that we haven't eaten and we really never will because we don't care about it. From now own, I'm not buying anything unless it is something we will eat. I've got stuff even in my freezer that was bought just because we should eat it because it is good for us, but we never eat them. NO MORE. I will cook and eventually eat what isn't ruined, but I'll get rid of all the other and never purchase those things again.

My life including my eating just might get enjoyable again.

carolr3639
03-05-2013, 09:12 PM
My life including my eating just might get enjoyable again.Ahhhh!!!!

the shiv
03-05-2013, 11:05 PM
Trish, that is brilliant! :D

pattygirl63
03-06-2013, 01:47 PM
This morning I remembered that one time a doctor asked me "Have you ever been thin in your life?" I told him that I was thin when I was growing up and didn't have a weight problem until my early 20s. And even then that I had had times off and on through the years that I would weigh less.

He said, "Eat the way you ate when you were thin". It never occured to to me that it could be that simple. I guess because of all those telling me to diet. However, now that I'm combining IE with IF, my fasting blood sugar is coming back down and I'm not hungry all the time. When I want something to eat, I don't worry about if it is a good/bad food... I eat it if I really want it. And the amazing revelaltion this morning? This is exactly the way I ate when I was thin. I figure that in time, the weight will follow. Could it have been this simple all these years? And I wasted all those years following what "they" the "experts" said I should do. humph. It is worth the experiment to find out. I intend to continue eating this way and see what happens.

I think I would say to anyone who was ever thin in their lifetime the same thing that blessed doctor said to me (wish I knew who he was I would write him a thank you note).... Give it a shot. Eat the way you ate when you were thin.

Have a great day!!

the shiv
03-06-2013, 03:49 PM
Well, Trish... You're becoming the change you want to see in the world, and all that jazz :) Glad to hear your FBS is coming down :D

Where I'm at: I've got the hang of eating under 1400 cals with IE. I went all "diet-y" for a day and ate too many chocolates, the next day I stopped worrying and did what I'd been doing all along, and I've been coming in nicely under that, and forcing myself to go out for walks, because with the extra accountability with the numbers, I can see it makes a difference, as well as feeling better. I have had several stress-related chocolate cravings and ignored them on account of the numbers, choosing to spend my cals on the healthy foods I REALLY want, the ones that are driven by my body, not my mind. And finding other ways to deal with the stress is making my life easier. I don't feel deprived at all, my portion sizes are the same as they were when I was finding IE easier, I haven't started seeing foods as "good" or "bad", my trousers are nearly falling off me, I'm at 197-198, my plateau is at 196, and I feel ready to break through it, finally!! I've ordered 30DS to change up my exercise now the walking is getting a bit too easy... All in, feeling totally back on track and enjoying the journey again! :)

carolr3639
03-06-2013, 06:23 PM
"Eat the way you ate when you were thin". That's right. Now if i can just remember what I ate. ha

carolr3639
03-07-2013, 11:13 AM
One thing my mom taught me was not to eat sweets before other food. What do you think about that? Yesterday afternoon I had some ice cream and wasn't hungry the rest of the night.

the shiv
03-07-2013, 12:06 PM
One thing my mom taught me was not to eat sweets before other food. What do you think about that? Yesterday afternoon I had some ice cream and wasn't hungry the rest of the night.

Hmm. I had a cheesecake for breakfast once, and I was fine with that. I often seem to have sweets for breakfast... I'm of the mindset that it's better for me to eat less rather than more, so I'm not going to stuff in a chicken salad just to get at an Oreo, it feels counterproductive. If I want the chicken salad, I have the chicken salad. If I want the Oreo, I have the Oreo. I understand the reasoning behind it, but it doesn't help me lose weight.

IE has made me want healthy food more than I ever used to. It ain't broken, so I'm not fixing it!

carolr3639
03-07-2013, 02:35 PM
I'm of the mindset that it's better for me to eat less rather than more, so I'm not going to stuff in a chicken salad just to get at an Oreo, it feels counterproductive. So true.

pattygirl63
03-07-2013, 05:07 PM
When my Mama was young she weighed 98 lbs until sometime after one of my sisters was born. She said that when she was skinny, she always ate dessert 1st then if she was still hungry she would eat something else. Because of what we are taught about dieting, I thought that was a bad habit and was the reason she later had weight probems. Maybe her problem was the same as mine "DIETS". When the doctor 1st told my I was diabetic 2, DH said, "Then she can't eat sugar?" Doc said, "Yes she can. If she wants ice cream in place of a meal, she can have it".

I think the point is that we are made to think we have to have the "chicken salad". So we eat it wanting the Oreo all the time. We had the chicken salad or meals we DID NOT want in the 1st place. Then somewhere down the road we ended up binging on the cookies because they were NO NOs. Where as if we had forgotten the meal and had the Oreo, we probably would have been better satisfied and much happier and no binge.

My poor Mama was a victim of diets and so were we. But we can be free gals.

carolr3639
03-07-2013, 05:33 PM
My poor Mama was a victim of diets and so were we. But we can be free gals.Thanks, Trish. I need to hear that more often.

the shiv
03-07-2013, 05:51 PM
You're absolutely right Trish :)

I wonder how many people on MFP I confuse every time I have chocolate for breakfast. I don't do it often, but if I'm in a hurry to get to work and I want it, I'll have it. I've found that my body certainly has a defence mechanism built in that prevents me from eating too much unhealthy food, because the way it makes me feel in excess is immediate and powerfully awful! I wonder if we all have that, I hope so... :)

carolr3639
03-07-2013, 07:34 PM
because the way it makes me feel in excess is immediate and powerfully awful! I wonder if we all have that, I hope so... Sure does.

carolr3639
03-07-2013, 07:35 PM
I have chocolate for breakfast.I was soooooo glad when the experts came out with the fact that chocolate is good for you.

carolr3639
03-08-2013, 03:37 PM
Mc Donald's happy meal.........yum.

SouthernMaven
03-09-2013, 12:27 PM
Hi everyone - I just posted a re-introduction to myself in the introductions section, but I am very interested in the intuitive eating concept and have been reading through this thread as well as a few posts in the previous IE threads.

Was just introduced to this concept a couple of months ago but couldn't really wrap my head around it. I'd post the name of the book that introduced me to it but not sure if that's allowed....I don't think I've seen it mentioned here. Not one of the better-known ones, I'm sure.

I've also read some other forums (some were just too over-analytical for me, so I just left) and have also read Rob Steven's work, which really helped me to understand the concept better than anything else I've read. So far, anyway.

Looking forward to interacting with all of you!

ddjustme
03-09-2013, 12:31 PM
Is it okay to not eat? Like, when you're hungry, deny yourself food for a few hours?

carolr3639
03-09-2013, 02:54 PM
:welcome2:Southernmaven. My favorite book is The Overfed Head. You can suggest any book.

the shiv
03-09-2013, 04:01 PM
Hi SouthernMaven! *waves* Welcome, and welcome back :)

What "bit" of IE appeals to you most as a starting point? For me, it was sorting out my hunger by switching from eating loads of sugar to, well, eating less sugar. It really helped. You may have seen me raving on and on about it ;)

If you're not sure where to start, try just implementing one IE related change and going from there :)

the shiv
03-09-2013, 04:04 PM
Is it okay to not eat? Like, when you're hungry, deny yourself food for a few hours?

In theory, sure, but it isn't the best idea as you'd be running the risk of throwing your hormones out of whack and making things worse. Whole principle of IE being if you're hungry, eat, if you're no longer hungry, stop.

Welcome to the forum btw :)

SouthernMaven
03-09-2013, 04:53 PM
:welcome2:Southernmaven. My favorite book is The Overfed Head. You can suggest any book.

Thanks, carolr - and yes, that's the one I just read. Really brought it all together for me.

The first book I read was "I've Tried It All! Now What?" By Susanna Dee (aka "The Doughnut Whisperer") It's an even quicker read than Overfed Head, and it has some great ideas in it, but she didn't cover the basics quite as well as The Overfed Head does. Perhaps it's been mentioned in an earlier thread, but I really haven't read that much in the previous threads.

I haven't read the Tribole/Resch book but I did go to the forum and signed up, since you can't even read the posts without joining. After reading an hour or two over there I had a headache. I thought a lot of the posters were WAYYYY overthinking this whole thing. So I haven't been back there.

carolr3639
03-09-2013, 05:00 PM
I thought a lot of the posters were WAYYYY overthinking this whole thing. So I haven't been back there.I know what you mean. Yahoo has an IE group that was good years ago but now they are not really into losing weight.

SouthernMaven
03-09-2013, 05:05 PM
Hi SouthernMaven! *waves* Welcome, and welcome back :)

What "bit" of IE appeals to you most as a starting point? For me, it was sorting out my hunger by switching from eating loads of sugar to, well, eating less sugar. It really helped. You may have seen me raving on and on about it ;)

If you're not sure where to start, try just implementing one IE related change and going from there :)

Thanks for the welcome!

Humm...good question. I would have to say the idea of just getting *back* to eating in a natural way, and by that I don't mean eating more organic or whole foods but rather just eating when my body tells me I need nourishment! I've done that for the better part of my life, so I'm really flabbergasted that I've lost that ability over the last 10-12 years. So I'm trying to re-establish what it really means to be hungry & to recognize those cues.

I'm definitely working on that first. It's not as easy as it sounds!

I also want to be much more mindful of what I'm eating; that is to say, I want to ENJOY IT! And not feel guilty if I eat something that in the past was "forbidden."

One thing I do like is that I can follow my natural instinct, which is to NOT eat breakfast. I've never, EVER been a breakfast eater, and every time I've been on a "diet" I've had to force myself to eat breakfast. I'm also not a grazer; I like one BIG meal and frankly, I can eat one solid meal every day (between 1:00 & 3:00 pm) and not eat another thing that day. THAT is my natural, normal pattern. I hate, hate, hate small meals. NEVER satisfied, and it would inevitably lead to evening snacking.

SouthernMaven
03-09-2013, 05:50 PM
I know what you mean. Yahoo has an IE group that was good years ago but now they are not really into losing weight.

Same thing with this group. One lady was asking about weight loss and she was told (nicely, of course) that weight loss should NOT be your main objective when beginning IE and that if it was you just didn't understand the concept; that weight loss might be a nice side benefit, but you might also already be at your set point. Even going so far as to say people who were 50+ lbs overweight might never take it off. The lady who initially dared ask the question wasn't buying that at all, and I don't blame her.

I do think that if you believe you're going to drop lots of weight really fast with IE you will be disappointed. Slow is good, but even on a traditional diet it's often agonizingly slow. At least with IE you don't have the deprivation, therefore making it an easier plan to live with for the long haul. The standard idea of "you didn't put it on overnight, you're not going to take it off overnight" certainly applies with IE, at least that's the way I see it.

carolr3639
03-09-2013, 06:37 PM
I've never, EVER been a breakfast eater, and every time I've been on a "diet" I've had to force myself to eat breakfastI didn't like breakfast as a kid but I'm hungry now soon after I get up.

carolr3639
03-09-2013, 06:38 PM
Even going so far as to say people who were 50+ lbs overweight might never take it off.Seems strange.

AlmostMe
03-09-2013, 06:54 PM
I was about 100 lbs overweight when I started. I don't ever expect to get to 'normal' - but I know in my heart that I do not weigh what I should weigh if I ate normally and exercised moderately. I am losing as much or more weight as I would on a calorie restrictive diet. Sure that will slow down. But not now.

I even set targets for myself which some people have questioned. It helps me to stay good with intuitive eating and exercise. I don't get this idea that it's not ok to want to lose weight. I do however believe that at some point I will just hit a liveable balance point for me and I'll have to accept that and be happy where I am.

SouthernMaven
03-09-2013, 07:30 PM
I was about 100 lbs overweight when I started. I don't ever expect to get to 'normal' - but I know in my heart that I do not weigh what I should weigh if I ate normally and exercised moderately. I am losing as much or more weight as I would on a calorie restrictive diet. Sure that will slow down. But not now.

AlmostMe, how long have you been practicing IE? I see that you've lost 25 lbs, and that is fantastic! Is your weight loss just from IE, or did you lose it on another plan(s)?



I even set targets for myself which some people have questioned. It helps me to stay good with intuitive eating and exercise. I don't get this idea that it's not ok to want to lose weight. I do however believe that at some point I will just hit a liveable balance point for me and I'll have to accept that and be happy where I am.

I can't imagine why anyone would question your target-setting...unless, of course, they think you have to be on a "diet" in order to do that! ;)

Good luck!

AlmostMe
03-10-2013, 04:12 AM
SouthernMaven - I have lost 25lbs just from IE. BUT I am exercising like mad. I am not exercising to lose weight (though I'm happy about it!), but because I joined a rugby team and am trying to get fitter in order to play better rugby. I also have a long term goal of reffing youth games...for which I will be assessed on my fitness. I won't be ready for that straight away I will have to lose much more weight (not because they assess on that, but because I will just have to to be faster as I'm not a naturally fast runner). Besides I only have another year on my rugby career at best as I'm old!

My weight loss may slow down over the summer as I'm planning to do lots of weight lifting - as I lose lbs I need to get stronger. If I keep losing as I have been I might be too small to play my position by early next season if I don't do some serious strength training! At any rate, I'm committed to my eating approach and I have to accept where my body takes me in terms of fat, but I CAN change my strength and fitness.

I also use Paul McKenna audio to help me control my eating and plant suggestions about exercising and eating better food and especially stopping when I am full.

I think some people don't think you should be targeting weight loss because of the pure focus on intuitive eating and size acceptance. I do believe in loving one's body and treating it well no matter its size, but I do not believe in size acceptance. I do believe that people can be healthy at many, many sizes (not at any size...but up to some pretty high weights) - but this depends on eating well and moving the body.

I also believe that restrictive diets do not work for 90% of the population. They have not worked for me (I lose weight, but I gain it back). I truly believe they are unhealthy and unsustainable.

AlmostMe
03-10-2013, 04:15 AM
Ooops forgot to answer your question - I've been doing IE - this time - since January. I have done it before but self-sabotaged as I faced emotional difficulties and overcame my good IE habits to self-medicate with food.

I did start losing weight and especially inches before because I was starting to exercise pretty fiercely since end of November when I started training with the women's rugby team at my club. I've played in 4 games now!!! Not for long, but I have played. :)

SouthernMaven
03-10-2013, 02:07 PM
AlmostMe, that is fantastic! I'm so happy to hear that IE is working so well for you.

I'm resisting the urge to weigh today; it's been a week since I weighed but I've promised myself I'm only weighing once a month. I can tell that I've lost even more weight because of the way my clothes are fitting, but I don't want to get tied up in knots about a number, so I'm just going to wait.

I haven't felt this freedom in a very long time; in the past, esp. when counting calories, I found myself planning out every meal of every day and totally obsessing over food. Now I'm really not thinking about it much at all.

I also always carried a "fear" of being hungry, especially going to bed hungry, and now that fear is just gone. Often I was hungry, or at least perceived myself to be. Looking back I don't think I really understood when I was hungry, but I'm getting better at that.

pattygirl63
03-10-2013, 03:45 PM
:welcome3:SouthernMaven Glad to have you join us. We do learn from each other and I personally enjoy our conversations and support. I too used to be part of the forum, but I think they messed me up. I used to go hours without eating. It was before I ever heard of Intermittent Fasting and I was concerned that I could go so long without eating. I made the mistake of asking them how long you should go without eating and followed their advice. Their advice really threw me off and it has taken me a while to get back to the place that IE works for me. At this point the weight isnít coming off, but is stabilizing. I am also having to learn how to lower blood sugar so that has been an added problem. Since then I found it very difficult to go to long without food, but then maybe I am learning through IE that I do need to eat more often than before. Or perhaps by listening to the wrong advice, Iíve thrown myself off a bit. However, to me IE means just that. Eat when you are hungry and eat only what you really like and want and only as much as it takes to satisfy you and then stop eating. I'm in the process of learning that again.

As for your question about not eating when hungry. I find that there are many "different" forms of hunger... at least for me. True hunger, a hunger that is caused by sight which can be caused from seeing the food on tv ad, or someone else is eating it or maybe I saw it in fridge or cabinet when doing something else. Or maybe I think Iím hungry because a food suddenly pops in my mind and I think "oh, that sure would taste good right now". In order to learn and recognize if I am "truly" hungry or just "want" something, I distract myself giving myself a few minutes doing something else. If within about 15 minutes or so, I still fill that I want the food... I eat it. I've learned by doing this that many times maybe hours pass and I never think of it again except to make a mental note to myself that I wasn't really hungry and encourage myself with a mental "pat on the back" so to speak so I can learn from it. Big lesson learned is that I CAN DO THIS and IE works. I believe the more I can do this the more IE will become second nature to me... I will be able to do this without consciously thinking about it.

Because I am working at controlling my blood sugar, I have learned by trial and error that I have to eat more toward low carb although I have no desire to go as low as Atkins or one of those.

Good luck on your journey. I am going to look up the book you read. Wonder if Amazon carries it?

SouthernMaven
03-10-2013, 06:21 PM
Trish - thanks for the welcome! I am enjoying this forum so much.

:welcome3:SouthernMaven Glad to have you join us. We do learn from each other and I personally enjoy our conversations and support. I too used to be part of the forum, but I think they messed me up. I used to go hours without eating. It was before I ever heard of Intermittent Fasting and I was concerned that I could go so long without eating. I made the mistake of asking them how long you should go without eating and followed their advice. Their advice really threw me off and it has taken me a while to get back to the place that IE works for me. At this point the weight isnít coming off, but is stabilizing. I am also having to learn how to lower blood sugar so that has been an added problem. Since then I found it very difficult to go to long without food, but then maybe I am learning through IE that I do need to eat more often than before. Or perhaps by listening to the wrong advice, Iíve thrown myself off a bit. However, to me IE means just that. Eat when you are hungry and eat only what you really like and want and only as much as it takes to satisfy you and then stop eating. I'm in the process of learning that again.

So sorry they messed you up that way. I really think the answer, as you have said, is to listen to our own bodies. Period. I just get the feeling that a lot of people on that forum are embracing IE as almost some sort of "philosophy" rather than a method of losing weight. Just my impression.

As for your question about not eating when hungry. I find that there are many "different" forms of hunger... at least for me. True hunger, a hunger that is caused by sight which can be caused from seeing the food on tv ad, or someone else is eating it or maybe I saw it in fridge or cabinet when doing something else. Or maybe I think Iím hungry because a food suddenly pops in my mind and I think "oh, that sure would taste good right now". In order to learn and recognize if I am "truly" hungry or just "want" something, I distract myself giving myself a few minutes doing something else. If within about 15 minutes or so, I still fill that I want the food... I eat it. I've learned by doing this that many times maybe hours pass and I never think of it again except to make a mental note to myself that I wasn't really hungry and encourage myself with a mental "pat on the back" so to speak so I can learn from it. Big lesson learned is that I CAN DO THIS and IE works. I believe the more I can do this the more IE will become second nature to me... I will be able to do this without consciously thinking about it.

Because I am working at controlling my blood sugar, I have learned by trial and error that I have to eat more toward low carb although I have no desire to go as low as Atkins or one of those.

Right now I'm having a bit of a struggle trying to recognize "true" hunger, and again, it is no doubt different for different people. Which makes it even harder to describe what it is, as we are all unique. Years ago I had a (very thin) friend who only knew she was hungry when she got a splitting headache. She was so disinterested in food that she would go very long periods of time between meals. When she would finally stop to get something to eat I would marvel at how slowly she would eat. And she was also amazingly picky about what she ate - had a very limited diet. Didn't like to eat out; would eat pretty much the same thing over and over again. She literally "ate to live" and that was pretty much it. Always fascinated me, and I was pretty thin myself at the time. But I know I always took a LOT more pleasure in food than she did!

Good luck on your journey. I am going to look up the book you read. Wonder if Amazon carries it?

The prices on Amazon for the book are ridiculously high. I can post the website where you can buy it but not sure if I'm supposed to. Or I can just send you a PM and give it to you. If I can post the website, let me know.

carolr3639
03-10-2013, 06:53 PM
I can post the website where you can buy it but not sure if I'm supposed to. Or I can just send you a PM and give it to you. If I can post the website, let me know.I looked on Amazon and you are right. I would be interested in the website where you can buy it. Thanks.

carolr3639
03-10-2013, 06:54 PM
Suzanna has a blog but she hasn't posted there in a year.

carolr3639
03-10-2013, 07:26 PM
I found the website SM. Thanks!!

pattygirl63
03-10-2013, 09:00 PM
[QUOTE=SouthernMaven;4662689]Right now I'm having a bit of a struggle trying to recognize "true" hunger, and again, it is no doubt different for different people. Which makes it even harder to describe what it is, as we are all unique. Years ago I had a (very thin) friend who only knew she was hungry when she got a splitting headache. She was so disinterested in food that she would go very long periods of time between meals. When she would finally stop to get something to eat I would marvel at how slowly she would eat. And she was also amazingly picky about what she ate - had a very limited diet. Didn't like to eat out; would eat pretty much the same thing over and over again. She literally "ate to live" and that was pretty much it. Always fascinated me, and I was pretty thin myself at the time. But I know I always took a LOT more pleasure in food than she did!

The prices on Amazon for the book are ridiculously high. I can post the website where you can buy it but not sure if I'm supposed to. Or I can just send you a PM and give it to you. If I can post the website, let me know.[QUOTE]

The way you describe how your friend ate is the way I ate growing up. I just was not interested in food. It was just another one of those necessities like breathing. Oh, how I wish I could feel that way again.

You are right that Amazon's price for the book is way too much. I found Suzanna's website and blog. I copied what she had on the blog and am reading it now. Thanks.

SouthernMaven
03-11-2013, 08:41 AM
Glad y'all were able to find Suzanna's website. I noticed she's not keeping up the blog very well. I think she does a lot of one-on-one counseling.

Is anyone here a member of Rob Steven's program? It's very pricey, but I don't mind paying it if it's worth it. Would love feedback from anyone who is or has been a member. Thanks!

carolr3639
03-11-2013, 10:11 AM
Rob seems to be out of the loop, too. I used to be on the facebook page but I never hear anything about him anymore. I never payed to use anything.

SouthernMaven
03-11-2013, 12:10 PM
Rob seems to be out of the loop, too. I used to be on the facebook page but I never hear anything about him anymore. I never payed to use anything.

I think I'm going to hold off for a while....thanks for the feedback.

SouthernMaven
03-11-2013, 12:42 PM
I was really excited and wanted to share this.

My next-door neighbor is on medical leave after surgery, and she called this morning and asked if I wanted to meet her for breakfast. Now, in the past, this would have sent me into a tailspin - what can I eat? How do I fit it into my daily carb/calorie/point/whatever allotment? I'd have stressed and stressed, to the point I might have actually made up an excuse why I couldn't go.

But not today! No sirree! I said "sure!"

We decided to go to a local chain which serves a menu which can best be described as brunch food. I wasn't particularly hungry but could certainly eat, and it actually worked out well as I promised my husband I'd cook his favorite tonight (pork chops) and knew I'd have to eat something at some point during the day. So I asked her for her recommendations as I haven't been to this particular restaurant in about five years, mainly because I think of it as being somewhat "heavy" food.

She recommended the Eggs Benedict, and that sounded as good as anything, so I got the same. But it was so amazing; I knew I could get anything on the menu I wanted, but I just wanted...whatever. Before I'd have either gotten something "healthy" (but not necessarily what I wanted) OR I would have said "okay, I'm blowing it on this meal, so I'm going to get the worst/most fattening/most calorie laden/most forbidden item on the menu." I think y'all know what I'm saying.

Not today. NOT today.

Today I ate like a thin person.

So the server brings us our meals and we begin to eat. Even though I'm having a very nice visit with my neighbor, I am consciously paying attention to what I'm eating. I'm enjoying the richness of the Hollandaise sauce over a poached egg, the saltiness of the Canadian Bacon, and just the general yumminess of that wonderful English muffin. It was really good!

We each had two Eggs Benedict on our plate as well as some potatoes. Didn't care for the potatoes and ate maybe a fork full of them; just really played with them, actually. And I only ate one of the two Eggs Benedict; that was plenty.

So we talked some more and she said "Is that all you're going to eat?" She's a pretty small person but does watch her weight very carefully. We are both middle-aged, she just a couple of years younger than me. I looked at my plate and said "yes, that's it. I'm satisfied." She knows I've been trying to lose weight and she asked how that was going. I told her that I'd been low-carbing it for several weeks, took off about six pounds, and that I was now doing IE. I then looked at HER plate and like me, she'd pretty much ignored the potatoes, and she had eaten both poached eggs and canadian bacon slices but had completely ignored the English muffin.

She was in NO way being judgmental, she was just curious - so she asks "Why did you eat what you did? You ate one whole Eggs Benedict, with the muffin, rather than eat the two eggs & leave the muffin (as she had)? Wouldn't you have been more satisfied that way? I try to avoid the carbs as much as I can. Didn't that work for you?" Again, understand - not being judgmental, but truly curious. I said "I ate the English Muffin because I wanted it! And if I was really, really hungry, I'd have eaten everything on my plate. But I was completely satisfied after what I ate, so that's enough." I could tell she was still confused, but she seemed to accept what I was saying at face value.

What was the most satisfying element of the entire experience, however, was the complete and total lack of guilt I felt about eating what I did. It is so liberating.

AlmostMe
03-11-2013, 05:35 PM
I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that about IE. I can eat whatever I want. So far, 9 times out of 10 what I want isn't junky. Doesn't mean what I want isn't high fat or high calorie or high carb it may be all of those things - but it isn't junky. Not to say I haven't had a couple of junky meals here and there.

SouthernMaven - it is soooo liberating. I also find that food not controlling ME has been liberating. I'm not driven to eat. It's ok to be hungry. But it's also ok to feed yourself when you are hungry.

I've noticed I've been eating slightly past satiety lately or not been really, really hungry before I eat - so I need to watch it! I'm grateful that's all I need to worry about. Of course, it's a massively important thing to worry about!

I'm also supremely grateful that I don't need to 'transition into maintenance' or change my eating again. Nope. This is every day for the rest of my life. And no suffering. Because I'm eating better, tastier food and enjoying it more.

SouthernMaven
03-11-2013, 09:37 PM
I've noticed I've been eating slightly past satiety lately or not been really, really hungry before I eat - so I need to watch it! I'm grateful that's all I need to worry about. Of course, it's a massively important thing to worry about!


This brings up a question for me - do we need to be really hungry before we eat? I've been wondering that. I wasn't super hungry when I ate this morning, and I really wasn't hungry when I ate supper either (eight hours after brunch). No stomach growling, maybe just a *very* slight empty feeling. Is that where I need to be before I eat? I'm afraid of getting TOO hungry for fear of overeating.

carolr3639
03-11-2013, 10:28 PM
I'm afraid of getting TOO hungry for fear of overeating.That is often the case.

carolr3639
03-11-2013, 10:31 PM
I lost 40lb about 3 yr. ago but have gained some back and haven't figure out what's wrong. I did start exercising about 2 yr. ago and things seem to get worse after that. Any suggestions are appreciated.

carolr3639
03-11-2013, 10:33 PM
I did order the book by Susanna Dee. It sounds interesting.

the shiv
03-11-2013, 10:45 PM
Alrighty people! (sorry to butt in... ;) )

I'm back after my calorie counting holiday and have got shot of my 8lb regain and stabilised for a few days at 196 :) (stupid plateau weight!)

My 30DS DVD just arrived, so I'm getting stuck into that, hopefully I'll have the courage to start tomorrow. As they say, in a month's time you'll be glad you started... a month ago. I definitely want to be listening closely to what my body wants to be fed now I'm ramping up the exercise, because I don't know what to expect.

Debating what to do with the scale. I've been weighing daily to look at trends and see how my weight reacts to certain foods and activities. It's been really helpful, now I know what to expect from the scale at TOM and, say, if I eat a pizza or something. I don't freak out nearly as much about what the scale says. Call it exposure therapy if you like. But if it starts going over 200 over the next month it's getting put in the cupboard where it can't annoy me! Maybe ;)

Basically I'm in a hurry to get to 175, and I don't want to do it by undoing all the good work I've done mentally. The calorie counting thing worked for me for a fortnight, and now I can't be bothered with it any more, so back to what I was doing. I never went off IE anyway, just became more mindful if I was about to stuff cookies in my mouth because of stress. That kind of restriction I am more than ok with, as it's forced me to change my behaviour for the better, and find other ways of dealing with things :)

Soooo... Scary exercise starting tomorrow, not sure what to do with the scale, desperate to ditch the next 21lbs and also to break this plateau, and looking forward to what my body tells me it wants to be fed in connection to said exercise, the experiment continues.

SouthernMaven, I love your eggs benedict story!! That's the first thing that made me fall in love with IE - that once you change your mindset around food, it's amazing how quickly you really can begin acting and eating like a naturally small person :D

AlmostMe
03-12-2013, 05:21 AM
I think at the beginning it's really hard to understand when you're hungry and when you're not. Personally, I'd rather wait until I know I'm hungry. That being said... I'm hungry now and it's too late to eat before spin class (15 minutes). But I'm not gonna die in the next hour.

It's very hard to avoid eating at social occasions and family meal times when not hungry. That is one of the downsides of IE. But I have found it is possible to eat a small amount of food - not enough to truly satisfy hunger - but enough to numb it and tide me over until a planned meal.

carolr3639
03-12-2013, 09:20 AM
But I have found it is possible to eat a small amount of food - not enough to truly satisfy hunger - but enough to numb it and tide me over until a planned meal.Good idea.

AlmostMe
03-12-2013, 09:39 AM
Shiv - as you know, I do a lot of intense exercise and I sustain a lot of minor injuries (knock on wood so far that's all it is!) that cause swelling. I have a lot of ups and downs in my daily weight. If you're committed to the 30DS, then you're going to have to accept some fluctuations, particularly in the first week or so.

You may find it helpful to be really 'treat' yourself with some good healthy meals. Complex carbs from a variety of plant foods, protein and good quality fats that will help you crave sugar less. Make sure the food you're eating is really delicious. Your body really doesn't want cookies, but it does want to be full of energy and well-nourished. If it isn't, then it will crave cookies because that's easy energy.

If you haven't been taking body measurements, then you might want to before starting the 30DS (or if you've already started today, then measure asap). I wish I had.

SouthernMaven
03-12-2013, 10:19 AM
I did order the book by Susanna Dee. It sounds interesting.

Carolr - it's a somewhat different take on IE. I can't seem to put my hand on my copy of the book right now, but IIRC she doesn't even use the term Intuitive Eating. She sets up a set of "rules" to follow & provides a 30-day program of journaling which I think is designed to get you to really think about what you're eating, much as other IE books do.

I never really got into that & there are a couple of things I don't particularly agree with, but there are other ideas that really did resonate with me. For example, she tells you to try and rate the enjoyment of what you're eating on a scale from 1 to 10 and not eat anything that's lower than a 6 or 7. While I don't do that exactly, I do stop eating something if it's just not tasting good, regardless of whether or not I'm actually hungry. A good example would be the potatoes in my Eggs Benedict meal yesterday - they weren't providing any gastronomic pleasure, so I just didn't eat them. I had a similar experience the other day, where I quite literally threw away what I was eating because it didn't taste good, and I went and got something else instead.

Some people have problems with discarding food, and I completely understand that, but I don't. Thank goodness, because I think it's very important to be able to do that if you're practicing IE.

So I haven't used her 30-day journal except to try and incorporate the ideas she puts forth that work for me. But so much of what she says is so similar to Overfed Head and other things about IE I've seen, such as: Exercise for the pleasure of it, not for losing weight. Learn to really enjoy what you're eating. And of course like others she tells us what we already know - diets don't work. The diet industry is a complete failure.

After reading her book I really liked her ideas, but it just wasn't coming together for me. But when I read Overfed Head, it was almost as if there was a missing link and he provided it. I think that is the idea of really recognizing when you're hungry, which I don't think she really talks about very much. It seems like she's more focused on the traditional three meals a day approach & the idea of always leaving three bites of each food on your plate (which I don't necessarily agree with, even though I do leave some food most of the time), but again I can't find my book right now so I don't remember for sure.

Just take from it what works for you.

SouthernMaven
03-12-2013, 10:46 AM
Debating what to do with the scale. I've been weighing daily to look at trends and see how my weight reacts to certain foods and activities. It's been really helpful, now I know what to expect from the scale at TOM and, say, if I eat a pizza or something. I don't freak out nearly as much about what the scale says. Call it exposure therapy if you like. But if it starts going over 200 over the next month it's getting put in the cupboard where it can't annoy me! Maybe ;)

Shiv, even though I no longer have the issue of TOM fluctuations, I've found it far less frustrating to only weigh once a month. I also don't do measurements. Rather, I have one particular outfit I put on which I use to gauge my "loss" and since it has no numerical value I also find that much more liberating.

Basically I'm in a hurry to get to 175, and I don't want to do it by undoing all the good work I've done mentally. The calorie counting thing worked for me for a fortnight, and now I can't be bothered with it any more, so back to what I was doing. I never went off IE anyway, just became more mindful if I was about to stuff cookies in my mouth because of stress. That kind of restriction I am more than ok with, as it's forced me to change my behaviour for the better, and find other ways of dealing with things :)

Boy, I hear you! What I like about IE is that you can incorporate it into other plans. When I first started, I actually did also count the calories for what I was eating, just out of curiosity. It was interesting that I almost always was under 1200 calories, even though I never thought in terms of calories before I ate - only after I ate. But I'm no longer doing that. I think it's because I'm gaining more confidence in my ability to trust my own hunger signals.

SouthernMaven, I love your eggs benedict story!! That's the first thing that made me fall in love with IE - that once you change your mindset around food, it's amazing how quickly you really can begin acting and eating like a naturally small person :D

Thanks! I love to eat out; I don't cook much at all. Before it was always looking up the calorie/carb/point whatever of what I was *planning* to eat. (Man, do I hate that!) To be able to walk into a restaurant and just order WHATEVER I WANT off the menu - like normal people, as I always say, because whenever I was *planning* to eat I never felt normal - is just a fabulous feeling. And since I often dine alone, even when I eat out, I can just sit and eat, truly savoring every bite. I no longer have my iPhone out during the meal, checking my email, looking at FB, playing a game while I eat. Nope. I just eat.

SouthernMaven
03-12-2013, 10:48 AM
While writing my last post it occurred to me that Suzanna Dee's approach does really emphasize SAVORING your food. She puts a lot of emphasis on that. Which I think is really important.

Just wanted to point that out.

carolr3639
03-12-2013, 11:29 AM
my Eggs BenedictI love eggs benedict! I do a lot of cooking for a lot of people but I don't like to cook eggs benedict.

the shiv
03-12-2013, 04:15 PM
Shiv - as you know, I do a lot of intense exercise and I sustain a lot of minor injuries (knock on wood so far that's all it is!) that cause swelling. I have a lot of ups and downs in my daily weight. If you're committed to the 30DS, then you're going to have to accept some fluctuations, particularly in the first week or so.

You may find it helpful to be really 'treat' yourself with some good healthy meals. Complex carbs from a variety of plant foods, protein and good quality fats that will help you crave sugar less. Make sure the food you're eating is really delicious. Your body really doesn't want cookies, but it does want to be full of energy and well-nourished. If it isn't, then it will crave cookies because that's easy energy.

If you haven't been taking body measurements, then you might want to before starting the 30DS (or if you've already started today, then measure asap). I wish I had.

This is one reason I'm glad I'm out of my calorie-counting-stop-stress-eating phase. I did the first day today and am exhausted!! Hopefully I'll stay that way and can get a good night's sleep for the first time in who knows how long :D It's a nice kind of exhausted :) Btw I took measurements today (and bikini shots... ugh! I am in BAD shape!) so I've got all my bases covered... I mean ALL the measurements... Weight, photos (front, side & back), neck, bust, chest, waist, hips, both thighs, calves, ankles, upper arms, forearms & wrists. Out of that lot, something will give :)

I think I'll keep weighing every day. It's frustrating, but I'd much rather have the knowledge it gives me of how my body reacts to exercise. I've had dinner and I'm still hungry, had salmon, salad with olive oil & potatoes. I usually can't be bothered with the carbs, but today I NEEDED them, and it wasn't just in my head :)

I know you're right, it's my frazzled brain that wants cookies, not my body. Not right now, though. I might whip up some turkey burgers or a bit of wholewheat pasta with chilli & pine nuts if I'm still hungry in an hour. I think I'm going to love exercise :D

the shiv
03-12-2013, 04:30 PM
SouthernMaven, that's so bizarre... I have found that too, if I log my food after I eat, my calories are ridiculously low. I was between 500-1000 for a while (on not leaving the house, super lazy days, though). IE is my plan, no doubt about it, I just bolt-on bits of other plans as and when I need to. E.g. If I've gone overboard on sweets, I watch my carbs for a few days or my hunger and heartburn gets out of control. If I'm dealing badly with stress, I calorie count to make myself question if I really want what I'm about to eat before I stuff a 4 person takeaway down my neck while convincing myself that "my body needs this" (because I know from experience: it doesn't).

I like what you're saying about enjoying your food. I've read a few things on how the French eat, and forgive me if this is a sweeping generalisation, but allegedly they're quite disdainful towards food that doesn't taste excellent, and therefore eat less. Why eat a packet of cheese strings, when you can enjoy a lovely bit of Brie? Why have a McDonalds if you can have a fillet steak? I like this way of thinking, and it's saved me from a family-sized bar of galaxy a good few times. Why have that, when I can walk to Kimbles in the city centre and buy 3 salted caramel fine chocolates (they're about £1 each, but so worth it - it's not like I'm eating 20!). That way I get to really enjoy the best of the food I want, and spend my subway fare there and back on the chocolates, probably getting in a 5 mile walk in the process. I like doing creative accounting with my food like that, it's usually more fun than taking the lazy option ;)

carolr3639
03-12-2013, 04:38 PM
One thing you shouldn't be doing if you want to boost your metabolism: If you want to boost your metabolism, don't let yourself get too hungry - you'll not only be more susceptible to your cravings, for one, but also importantly, your metabolism will slow down to compensate for the lack of energy you're providing your body. While a little hunger can be good - it signals that your body is efficiently using up nutrient resources - forgetting to eat or otherwise taking too long between meals does the exact opposite to your metabolism than you want, so make sure to eat up!
From an article on Yahoo news.

IanG
03-12-2013, 05:10 PM
I just don't believe this BS on metabolism.

carolr3639
03-12-2013, 05:49 PM
So I haven't used her 30-day journalI've never liked journaling.

the shiv
03-12-2013, 08:00 PM
I just don't believe this BS on metabolism.

I don't know what to think. On the one hand, we have the second law of thermodynamics. On the other, we have "starvation mode" and I'm yet to work out if that has been scientifically proven as a real thing.

SouthernMaven
03-12-2013, 09:23 PM
I don't know what to think. On the one hand, we have the second law of thermodynamics. On the other, we have "starvation mode" and I'm yet to work out if that has been scientifically proven as a real thing.

I wonder about this as well. Whenever I did diet, I generally counted calories as well as exercised, obviously creating a caloric deficit. I generally did not plateau as long as I was doing these things, at least never more than a week or so. I generally lost at a very steady pace.

Both of my parents, in their last days, just stopped eating. Now I realize this isn't a good example, as my mother was dying of cancer and my father heart failure brought on by a massive heart attack (he was 97 at the time). So obviously there were other things going on in their bodies, but the "starvation mode" certainly wasn't working on either of them, as both of them dropped weight like crazy.

AlmostMe
03-13-2013, 03:22 AM
I don't think getting really hungry - as in ravenous - is gonna hurt your metabolism if it happens every so often. The big danger in ravenous is that you'll overeat when you do eat, eat faster and not be able to sense your satiety point so well. This happened to me last night. Just bad timing... :(

However.... much of the calories that we use up - we use up in just daily living and in giving off heat -thermogenesis. People with rocking metabolisms burn off a lot through thermogenesis. People with crap metabolisms don't. People who've just been on a restrictive diet burn fewer of their daily calories through thermogenesis than people of the same body type and weight who haven't just been on a restrictive diet. Many healthy, naturally thin people who have never been overweight and have been in overfeeding trials crank up their thermogenesis during the period of excessive calorie consumption - so they eat more and don't gain weight. (I'm sure you can destroy this by continuing to eat loads and loads over a longer period).

So there you go, the laws of thermodynamics AND starvation mode!!

I suppose some people don't go into starvation mode and are more like energy in / energy out machines - but other people do. I also very much doubt ANYONE kicks into starvation mode from a short period.

What I've not seen is whether IE is more likely to keep the thermogenesis running over restrictive diets on a long term basis. Clearly with IE, it's not magic, we are consuming fewer calories than we are taking in. I KNOW I eat less than I did before. But I'm eating well and when I'm hungry I eat. I know I'm not as cold as I used to be - even though I'm spending a lot more time outside in this miserable weather we're having.

(Spring, spring, where ARE you???)

SouthernMaven
03-13-2013, 07:38 AM
I suppose some people don't go into starvation mode and are more like energy in / energy out machines - but other people do. I also very much doubt ANYONE kicks into starvation mode from a short period.


Agreed. Bottom line, I suppose, is that it is just different for different people - and the same person's metabolism can be different at different times, depending on what else is going on with them.

I used to believe that after I had my children, which was the time I was thinnest in my life, that my metabolism had changed. Looking back on it, I don't think it was that so much as I was simply too busy and too active to think and worry much about food at all. Which means I was eating intuitively, but of course I didn't know that at the time.

SouthernMaven
03-13-2013, 08:07 AM
So, another question to fellow IE practitioners who've been at this for a while:

Have you noticed a specific pattern to how and when you eat? I know that we are certainly to follow our body's natural cues, and I am doing that, but even at just about two weeks I find myself eating at certain times of the day and in certain patterns.

I think I've mentioned before that I'm not a breakfast eater, so even though I usually get up between 6:00 & 6:30 am, I don't usually eat before 1:00 pm. It's then that I eat a fairly big meal. And I'm pretty hungry by that time - but certainly not ravenous.

I have never really been a snacker anyway, but since the midday meal is substantial the urge to eat anything in the afternoon isn't there. And if I eat at all in the evening, it might just be a snack. Example: Yesterday I had a satisfying lunch and by evening my hunger was quite moderate. Around 6:00 pm I had a yogurt and then about an hour later a half-cup (in the shells) pistachios. (yes, I did measure them out - a habit after years of calorie-counting, I suppose). I was satiated after that, so I didn't eat anything else.

And that's pretty much the pattern for me. The day I had brunch with my neighbor and then had a honest-to-goodness evening meal was an exception to this pattern. Had I not agreed to go with her I would not have eaten as early as I did (10 am).

So what are your patterns (if any)? And for those who've done this for awhile, have you fallen into a pattern and then found it changing? Or is your eating all over the map?

AlmostMe
03-13-2013, 01:24 PM
My eating is all over the map and largely depends on what time of the day and how intensely I exercise. I do eat breakfast, but usually not first thing. One thing I can count on is very weird eating patterns on match days. I usually feel so nervous I actually have to force myself to eat. That's the one time I don't even try to do IE exactly, because I MUST eat. Even when I've eaten more than I think I can, I still sometimes end up hungry by the time the game rolls around and that's bad - because then I can't eat as I don't want anything sitting in my stomach. I may try getting up earlier and taking a gentle walk to see if I can stimulate my appetite this week - so I can eat a really hearty breakfast, perhaps with more fat? avocado and egg maybe? and then a light lunch.

the shiv
03-13-2013, 04:22 PM
I usually have a coffee & a yakult and often hot water with lemon when I get up, and forget to eat anything for at least a few hours. Then it's all down to my activity level. Last night I was ravenous after my workout for hours, today not so much. I can only assume that the instant you change things up, your body demands to be fed. Really needed the carbs last night!! My schedule's all over the place, so if I'm starting work at 12, I'll be pretty hungry if I walked a few miles on the way there, if not I'll just be a bit peckish. If I start at 5pm I'll usually get hungry enough to eat something before heading out mid-afternoon. If I'm in all day I won't get hungry until early evening. What I need seems to be based on healthy protein & fat like fish and nuts, with carbs (i prefer wholegrains) increasing proportional to time, length and intensity of activity on top of that. I HATE water but went through 2 pints of it during that workout, so I trust my body to let me know if it needs it. And if I'm seriously depressed I just want to eat donuts all day.

That seems to be my overall pattern :)

SouthernMaven
03-13-2013, 10:12 PM
I HATE water but went through 2 pints of it during that workout, so I trust my body to let me know if it needs it.

So glad you brought this up. Another thing about IE I love is that I can practice ID (intuitive drinking). I bought into the idea that we must drink 8 8 oz glasses of water daily, and it just never happened with me. I was forcing water down. Ridiculous.

If I'm thirsty I'll drink it. Otherwise, I don't need it. I drink LOADS of black coffee.

As the gal (Sophia Moss, I think) from Beyond Chocolate says, "Our bodies tell us when we need to pee. Why wouldn't they tell us when to eat?" (or in this case, drink)

It really is that simple, I'm finally beginning to figure out!

And if I'm seriously depressed I just want to eat donuts all day.

I hear that!

Thanks for the feedback, Shiv and AlmostMe!

SouthernMaven
03-14-2013, 07:16 AM
So I said I wasn't going to weigh myself until the first of April. But today I just couldn't resist. Woke up, went into the bathroom, and I felt so light and looked so much better in the mirror that I thought - "What the heck? I know it will be good news." So I stepped on the scale and had lost 2.6 lbs.

I last weighed on the 3rd of March, now of course it's the 14th. So that's 11 full days of IE exclusively, and to know that I have eaten exactly what I wanted to eat each and every day of those 11 days and have lost 2.6 lbs in the process is just wonderful!

The previous 6 lbs (taken off in four weeks) was mostly low-carb with a little calorie-counting thrown in toward the end - when I could no longer stand going without bread. I was proud of myself, but I also came to the realization that I was just done with dieting - that I'd never be able to do it with any consistency ever again. So it was a real leap of faith to jump into IE, but I'm so glad I did!

Thanks for reading - I believe I probably need to start a blog, because I feel so compelled to write about this.

carolr3639
03-14-2013, 09:42 AM
As the gal (Sophia Moss, I think) from Beyond ChocolateI was wondering if any of the UK people new about Beyone Chocolate.

carolr3639
03-14-2013, 09:43 AM
So I stepped on the scale and had lost 2.6 lbs.
So wonderful.

carolr3639
03-14-2013, 09:45 AM
I usually have a coffee & a yakultWhat is yakult? I googled it and it said something about probiotics.

SouthernMaven
03-14-2013, 11:04 AM
What is yakult? I googled it and it said something about probiotics.

I was wondering that as well....

the shiv
03-14-2013, 08:22 PM
What is yakult? I googled it and it said something about probiotics.

Yes.

AlmostMe
03-15-2013, 03:39 AM
I do need to watch my water intake. I am thirsty a lot and find it difficult to drink enough some days. But then I sweat a lot - with my exercise and Bikram yoga.

I have imposed some 'restrictions'. I'm avoiding crisps (chips) because they are a trigger food for me and a food I will binge on. They aren't forbidden, but I'm staying away from them for now. It's not like they're a healthy food that I'm missing out on!! But I'm also avoiding drinking calories (unless it's alchohol). I haven't been quite as successful with that. I used to drink a lot of juice and things like Lucozade. (Lucozade is a sports drink, but it also has a soda line which is glucose and caffeine in a tasty, tasty orange bottle. It's the only drink which makes me feel like I'm drinking SunDrop - a regional soda I grew up with in Tennessee*.) It was hard for me to go back to water, but now I'm drinking it plenty and enjoying it again. I like water again.

I did have a Lucozade yesterday though...

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*I could quite "happily" live off a diet of SunDrop, sausage biscuits, fried okra and a mess of cheese grits - with a bit of homegrown tomato and cucumber salad on the side. I do love salad. In fact, if I was on death row, that would be my final meal. :)

Zumbachica
03-15-2013, 08:00 AM
Hello, I'd like to join this thread if I may. Ive been on every diet under the sun and wind up in the same place. I have a closet filled with almost every diet book known to man. I used to be a skinny person and I remember that I just ate when i was hungry and I knew when to stop. Why that changed over the years remains a mystery. I'm also interested in fasting and have yet to read The Fast Diet but intend to do that this weekend. The past few days I did a fast of my own and lost two lbs. so there must be something to it. I felt hungry last night but I wonder if that is more a psychological thing because I am used to eating at night.....I'm excited about trying something new and look to this thread for support..thank you.

Zumbachica
03-15-2013, 08:01 AM
almost me, the only time i had sausage biscuits was when i visited florida and oh my Gosh now that's living...LOL...Noone eats better in America than people that live in the south.....

SouthernMaven
03-15-2013, 08:09 AM
I do need to watch my water intake. I am thirsty a lot and find it difficult to drink enough some days. But then I sweat a lot - with my exercise and Bikram yoga.

I would imagine you do need a lot of water, AlmostMe. Whenever I was able to exercise (I'm really missing it now, actually) I always drank more water.

I have imposed some 'restrictions'. I'm avoiding crisps (chips) because they are a trigger food for me and a food I will binge on. They aren't forbidden, but I'm staying away from them for now. It's not like they're a healthy food that I'm missing out on!! But I'm also avoiding drinking calories (unless it's alchohol). I haven't been quite as successful with that. I used to drink a lot of juice and things like Lucozade. (Lucozade is a sports drink, but it also has a soda line which is glucose and caffeine in a tasty, tasty orange bottle. It's the only drink which makes me feel like I'm drinking SunDrop - a regional soda I grew up with in Tennessee*.) It was hard for me to go back to water, but now I'm drinking it plenty and enjoying it again. I like water again.

I completely understand what you're saying here. Yes, IE means no restrictions; however, I find it actually quite motivating to say I'm just not going to eat/drink something for awhile - and we can do this for a variety of reasons.

I believe I mentioned earlier that when I finally decided to get serious about getting the weight back off I just stopped drinking my nightly wine. Not only was it adding additional calories, it also caused me to snack mindlessly. I haven't given up wine completely - who would want to do that?? - but I decided I'd do it for 90 days. Actually, just a bit more, as I made the decision to not have any until I attend my nephew's wedding in mid-May. Sort of an extended Lenten penance, if you will. And I've been feeling really good about it - PLUS I know it this has accounted for at least part of my 8+ lb weight loss.

I also haven't forbidden myself chips, but I've only felt the need to eat them once, and it was a very small amount. I only buy the ones my husband likes, so I don't have them around. There's one particular brand - Zapps Hotter 'N Hot Jalapeno potato chips - that really can set me off on a binge. Fortunately they are not available at my grocery store and I have to make a special trip to a store I don't generally frequent in order to get them. (The owner is probably wondering where the he** I've been, as I used to go in there weekly to buy them).

*I could quite "happily" live off a diet of SunDrop, sausage biscuits, fried okra and a mess of cheese grits - with a bit of homegrown tomato and cucumber salad on the side. I do love salad. In fact, if I was on death row, that would be my final meal. :)

Girl, are you a transplanted Southerner??? Sausage biscuits? Fried okra? A *mess* of cheese grits? I feel like I'm talking to someone next door, not across the pond!

SouthernMaven
03-15-2013, 08:19 AM
Hello, I'd like to join this thread if I may. Ive been on every diet under the sun and wind up in the same place. I have a closet filled with almost every diet book known to man. I used to be a skinny person and I remember that I just ate when i was hungry and I knew when to stop. Why that changed over the years remains a mystery. I'm also interested in fasting and have yet to read The Fast Diet but intend to do that this weekend. The past few days I did a fast of my own and lost two lbs. so there must be something to it. I felt hungry last night but I wonder if that is more a psychological thing because I am used to eating at night.....I'm excited about trying something new and look to this thread for support..thank you.

Welcome, Zumbachica! Glad to have you with us!

It's really not a mystery why you've lost the ability to eat only when you're hungry; if you've spent any time dieting at all, your whole approach to eating changes. But it can be re-learned.

If you haven't read it yet, be sure to google Rod Steven's "The Overfed Head" - it's a pdf book that you can find and read online. That really brought intuitive eating together for me.

the only time i had sausage biscuits was when i visited florida and oh my Gosh now that's living...LOL...Noone eats better in America than people that live in the south.....

Obviously you and I were posting at the same time, so I didn't see this until after I posted above. I have lived in the Deep South all my life, and you are right about this! We love our food!

Oddly enough, however, I actually loathe grits. People say I'm not a true Southerner because I don't eat them, but I just don't like the texture. But I do like sausage biscuits, fried okra, and tomato and cucumber salads! :)

carolr3639
03-15-2013, 03:03 PM
Suzanna Dee's book is very interesting.

the shiv
03-15-2013, 05:06 PM
Welcome, Zumbachica! Great to have you with us, and I'm sure that eating like a small person will come back to you :) I think that your mental foundation for eating is just that, doing otherwise is just learned behaviour that overly restrictive diets teach us. The original neural and hormonal pathways are still burned into your mind and body, you just have to let go of the override switch, and chances are if you're at the point of WANTING to do this, you've already won the first big battle :D

AlmostMe, I get what you're saying about restrictions. As you know, since I've done that! I see that as a tool, not a way of life. It's completely different to an overall restrictive diet. The "diet mentality" has you going "I can't eat crisps because crisps are bad so if I eat crisps then I am bad". It's mindless faith in something that may or may not be true. Continuing to do IE, and making a mindful, considered decision that "I am not eating crisps right now because based on the evidence they do not help me achieve the health and fitness I want and deserve and I will reconsider them in the future" is coming from SUCH a different place. One approach is based on blind faith and adherence to abstract rules, another is being in touch with yourself enough to know from experience what works and what doesn't. Totally, TOTALLY different :)

PS: what are all these crazy southern foods you're talking about?! It's like a whole new language! Come to Scotland and try a deep fried mars bar and Irn Bru! Breakfast of champions, lol! ;)

Zumbachica
03-15-2013, 05:10 PM
Hi everybody! Already lost two lbs in two days. I was hungry last night but was I really hungry or just used to eating at night? I already feel more in control. Eating twice a day works for me.....and I stop eating early in the evening....it's not. At hard as I thought it would be....I haven't passed out from hunger yet....

SouthernMaven
03-16-2013, 07:43 AM
Hi everybody! Already lost two lbs in two days. I was hungry last night but was I really hungry or just used to eating at night? I already feel more in control. Eating twice a day works for me.....and I stop eating early in the evening....it's not. At hard as I thought it would be....I haven't passed out from hunger yet....

When I initially started IE I found I was only eating one big meal a day, usually around 1:00 pm, then just a very small meal (really more of a snack) around 6:00 pm.

Now I'm moving more toward eating earlier, as my body cues are telling me to. You see, in the past, I regularly skipped breakfast. The "diet experts" tell us it is the most important meal of the day, but I just never wanted it.

I've had a few days where I've eaten before noon, and this morning I woke up really early (4:30 am) and around 6:00 am I definitely felt hunger. So I ate one of my favorites - cheese toast - and I feel really good.

I think ultimately it's really important to stop and listen to what your body is saying to you and not look for a particular pattern to your eating. Because it could change from day to day, depending on what your fuel needs are.

Bottom line - if we are truly going to embrace the principles of Intuitive Eating, we have to be prepared to eat at ANY time of the day, if we are hungry. Conversely, we need to be prepared to NOT eat, even if it's the appointed "meal time" our society has come up with, if we are not experiencing hunger.

SouthernMaven
03-16-2013, 08:16 AM
Suzanna Dee's book is very interesting.

What do you think about her rules and her 30-day-journal?

I am very grateful that I stumbled across her book, as it was my very first introduction to IE (even though she doesn't call it that). I think there are important pieces to the puzzle that are missing. But she makes some excellent points as well.

(I'm a bit frustrated that I can't seem to find my copy of the book - my office is currently a mess and I'm sure it's in here somewhere. Just need to take some time to clean up and get re-organized. So I may not be remembering it that clearly).


What I do like:

The idea of rating the pleasure of the food you're eating. I think that's very important and really haven't seen that emphasized as much in other IE literature. Even though I don't journal how I'm feeling about what I'm eating, I absolutely do concentrate on what I'm eating and how the taste, texture, etc is making the meal a pleasurable experience.

In the past, I literally just gobbled up everything - particularly the "forbidden" foods - because I didn't think it was "allowed" to really enjoy them.

What I don't like:

The idea of journaling itself...reminds me too much of tracking, which I consider a diet mentality. Although I do think it might work for some people.

The fact that she really - to the best of my recollection, anyway - does not emphasize listening to hunger signals, which to me is probably the most important part of IE. Maybe she does and I'm just not remembering it. But I do know the journal itself is set up in a more formal daily meal plan scenario, which I believe is counter-intuitive to IE. Also don't care how she tells you to start thinking about what you want to eat later. I'm trying really hard to get AWAY from thinking about food any more than necessary.

The idea of leaving food on your plate has merit - however, stating you must leave "three bites" of each item is giving food an arbitrary value that I don't think is necessary if you're doing IE properly. I rarely eat everything on my plate any more, but if I am truly enjoying an item and I'm still hungry and want to eat it all, I will. I will generally have something left on my plate, but maybe not something of each and every item. To do this dips back down into the "deprivation" aspect, which is a form of dieting.

But like all the other books and literature regarding IE, we can take from it what works for us. And her ideas about truly savoring your food is what I gleaned from it.

Donut whisperer, indeed! :)

carolr3639
03-16-2013, 09:23 AM
What do you think about her rules and her 30-day-journal?
I loved that book. What I got out of is is that we need to eat less....whether that is leave 3 bites or take less in the first place. I know that but it is sometimes hard to do. One of the things that surprised me was that your weight loss would be faster toward the end. I had never heard that before.

carolr3639
03-16-2013, 09:24 AM
I'm not a journaler either. ha

Zumbachica
03-16-2013, 10:30 AM
Wow, almost another pound down today...this kind of eating ROCKS! I feel like such a rebel , breaking all the "rules". For years I've been told that i had to take in a certain number of calories or go into starvation mode...that I HAD to eat breakfast early in the morning to get the metabolism going, and all this other stuff...I eventually put myself into a Diet Prison, following rules and feeling bad if I didn't do what I was supposed to. Yesterday I had a big meal at around noon and then a protein shake later on in the day. I felt hungry last night but that is just my body used to me eating late at night in front of the t.v. I held off and am no worse for the wear. It is so good to see the scale going down after months of it not moving no matter what I did or how hard I tried, I even thought there was s omething going on with my hormones or my thyroid and I made a doctor's appointment. Im so glad that I came across this thread, because I didnt' even know this way of eating existed...well not formally existed I mean.....

carolr3639
03-16-2013, 12:10 PM
It is so good to see the scale going down after months of it not moving no matter what I did or how hard I tried, I even thought there was s omething going on with my hormones or my thyroid and I made a doctor's appointment. Im so glad that I came across this thread, because I didnt' even know this way of eating existed...well not formally existed I mean.....Rejoicing with you

pattygirl63
03-16-2013, 03:19 PM
Hey Chickies, Lot of newbies since I posted over a week ago. Seems we are growing... A BIG :welcome3: to each of you.

It was a very busy week with DH having a lot of docs appts. We thought we made all of them and got a letter from the blood doc that we had an appt Monday that we missed so will make it up this coming Wednesday.

I tried eating extremely low carb... mostly meat and veggies. Got so sick at stomach 2 times this week. Stomach rejected the cukes I ate and today I woke up sick tasteing the homemade beef jerky I had made. So needless to say won't be eating those any more for a while anyway. I don't think I can eat a strict lowcarb any more. IE may not be about the weight, but I'm sorry for me it is about the weight and the health. However for me it is about healthy weight loss. Still have the tendency to slip into that thought of I should eat this or that. When I got over the sickness today, I wanted oatmeal and bluebearries with yogurt and you know what I ate. RIGHT what I wanted. I didn't want breakfast so I had it for lunch.

One of the newbies mentioned fasting. I only use fasting in regards to the fact that there are times that I do not want breakfast. However, in the past, I have had days that I could go all day long without eating... just not hungry. After reading about Intermittent Fasting, I came to realize that not eating all day JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT HUNGRY is NOT a bad thing. It is just my body saying... "I don't need anything right now". It is so difficult to get away from the "BRAINWASHING" of diets etc. To me true IE means that yes there may be days I will go all day or most of the day eating nothing. Then there may be a day when I am eating every few hours. Some days I might need 1 meal, another day I might need 3 and there may be days I need 6 or more. Right now, I am just working at accepting the fact that this is really "normal" for me. So why not go with it.

I told DH the other day that when I was young, I would be out with friends and they might decide they wanted to eat. There were times that I only had a cold drink or I might have a cold drink and fries or onion rings and nothing else. Just because that was all I wanted. If I wanted a HB basket or some other basket combo, I ate it. The difference in then and now is that I didn't feel like I had to have a whole meal just because everyone else was. I ate according to my needs and desires. AND I ate only as much as I needed to satisfy me.

I'm hearing newbies saying similar things. We all have gotten screwed up by the "diet" propaganda. We knew it didn't work for us... we knew we couldn't eat as much or sometimes as little as they were telling us that we must. There is an old saying that tells us that "to keep doing the same thing we always did and expecting different results is ridiculous". Yet, that is what I've done for years. Why? Crazy isn't it?

I suddenly realized that I have to step back and look at some of this stuff with "common sense".

Hope everyone has a good weekend.

pattygirl63
03-16-2013, 03:25 PM
I loved that book. What I got out of is is that we need to eat less....whether that is leave 3 bites or take less in the first place. I know that but it is sometimes hard to do. One of the things that surprised me was that your weight loss would be faster toward the end. I had never heard that before.

I am not a journaler myself. I think I can only follow the original 4 IE Rules.

Carolr Correct me if I get any of them wrong, please.

1. Eat only when I'm hungry.

2. Eat what I really want.

3. Savor every bite.

4. Stop when satisfied/full.

If I could learn to live by these rues again, I would be a successful IE-er and wouldn't keep falling for the "diet" junk. JMHO

pattygirl63
03-16-2013, 03:37 PM
Wow, almost another pound down today...this kind of eating ROCKS! I feel like such a rebel , breaking all the "rules". For years I've been told that i had to take in a certain number of calories or go into starvation mode...that I HAD to eat breakfast early in the morning to get the metabolism going, and all this other stuff...I eventually put myself into a Diet Prison, following rules and feeling bad if I didn't do what I was supposed to. Yesterday I had a big meal at around noon and then a protein shake later on in the day. I felt hungry last night but that is just my body used to me eating late at night in front of the t.v. I held off and am no worse for the wear. It is so good to see the scale going down after months of it not moving no matter what I did or how hard I tried, I even thought there was s omething going on with my hormones or my thyroid and I made a doctor's appointment. Im so glad that I came across this thread, because I didnt' even know this way of eating existed...well not formally existed I mean.....

Glad the scale is moving down for you. I know that feeling of feeling like I was cheating or thinking "I can't have that" or "I should have eaten that". I had myself in Diet Prison for over 40 yrs. That is why I still fight it, but I do fight it.

pattygirl63
03-16-2013, 03:46 PM
We went out to eat this week and I got EXACTLY what I wanted although it was NOT considered good food, good for Diet Food. But you know what? I TOTALLY ENJOYED SAVORED every bite. I also didn't feel that I had to clean my plate either. I ate just as much as I wanted... no more and no less. Wasn't the type of food that you bring home for later, but I didn't feel guilty about not eating it all. Oh how I pray for this to become such a way of life that I do this automatically without any second thought. Interesting thing I just realized is that while it was very carby that it didn't raise the my # on the scale however the last few days on very strict lowcarb it did. hump

SouthernMaven
03-16-2013, 04:16 PM
Loved reading ALL the posts this afternoon!

I really do think IE is the answer. The 4 IE Rules Trish posted are really all we need to remember. And I think SAVOR, SAVOR, SAVOR is so key to everything. It has made a huge difference for me.

I agree that it IS about weight loss, even though I did get the Tribole/Resch book from the library yesterday & have been reading it. I understand where they are coming from when they try to de-emphasize the weight loss aspect, because they seem to think that puts everyone back into "diet" mode. But I don't necessarily agree with that, although I can see how some people might fall into that trap.

That said, I've decided to take my ticker down for the time being and really concentrate on getting in tune with my body's cues. One thing that has really helped me is getting away from my distracted eating. I no longer eat in front of the TV, no longer read when I eat, I just eat. And concentrate on everything about the food. I was definitely an "unconscious eater" as described in the IE book I'm reading right now.

I also think the idea that you HAVE to eat breakfast (and even some IE proponents say this) is just not valid. I have many days that I just have no appetite. If people are on a schedule that means they will get absolutely ravenous before they get a chance to eat, then maybe they should eat a little something. But fortunately I'm not on that type of schedule, so I can stop and eat at ANY time.

Has anyone here read Overcoming Overeating by Carol Munter & Jane Hirschmann? I'm thinking of ordering it. My library doesn't have it.

There is an old saying that tells us that "to keep doing the same thing we always did and expecting different results is ridiculous". Yet, that is what I've done for years. Why? Crazy isn't it?


That is so strange that you wrote this! I just changed my signature this morning and put that quote in it! It was Albert Einstein who said it. And it is absolutely true, isn't it?

SouthernMaven
03-16-2013, 04:26 PM
Wow, almost another pound down today...this kind of eating ROCKS! I feel like such a rebel , breaking all the "rules". For years I've been told that i had to take in a certain number of calories or go into starvation mode...that I HAD to eat breakfast early in the morning to get the metabolism going, and all this other stuff...I eventually put myself into a Diet Prison, following rules and feeling bad if I didn't do what I was supposed to. Yesterday I had a big meal at around noon and then a protein shake later on in the day. I felt hungry last night but that is just my body used to me eating late at night in front of the t.v. I held off and am no worse for the wear. It is so good to see the scale going down after months of it not moving no matter what I did or how hard I tried, I even thought there was s omething going on with my hormones or my thyroid and I made a doctor's appointment. Im so glad that I came across this thread, because I didnt' even know this way of eating existed...well not formally existed I mean.....

Congratulations on the weight loss, Zumbachica!

Diet Prison - that says it all! We've all been there, and I'm not going back.

I was thrilled to find this thread also, and as more and more people learn about this, no doubt it will continue to grow. But I do believe people have to be ready to come to this; not everyone is. It took me awhile to wrap my head around it, and I'm still learning. It's a process.

I find myself feeling very sorry for some of the people who post here, particularly those (that I can so relate to!) who have lost, gained, lost, gained, and yet still think that the answer is yet another diet. I want to tell them NO, NO, NO! but of course I can't.

SouthernMaven
03-16-2013, 04:33 PM
We went out to eat this week and I got EXACTLY what I wanted although it was NOT considered good food, good for Diet Food. But you know what? I TOTALLY ENJOYED SAVORED every bite. I also didn't feel that I had to clean my plate either. I ate just as much as I wanted... no more and no less. Wasn't the type of food that you bring home for later, but I didn't feel guilty about not eating it all. Oh how I pray for this to become such a way of life that I do this automatically without any second thought. Interesting thing I just realized is that while it was very carby that it didn't raise the my # on the scale however the last few days on very strict lowcarb it did. hump

Trish, I completely understand what you're saying here. I wrote elsewhere that I have NO problem leaving food, or throwing it out, which is something that people who want to practice IE have to be able to do. Last night my daughter, SIL, and I went to Red Lobster and I ordered the shrimp your way combo, which lets you pick two or three different shrimp entrees. So I got two - and both of them were shrimp scampi. :) I could only eat one so I brought the other one home and my husband ate it.

And like you, I want to be able to do all this without even thinking about it....intuitively, of course! One of these days a miracle is going to happen - someone's going to ask me what I had for lunch the day before, and I'm not going to be able to tell them! What a great day that will be!

pattygirl63
03-17-2013, 03:15 PM
Well, Ladies, I am testing this IE theory all the way this time with my blood sugar. I was under the impression that I could not eat carby foods. Yesterday, I just couldn't look at protein so had a pretty carby day not junk but just more carb than I usually can eat. I only ate when I was hungry and what I wanted and as much as I needed. I'm thinking that (for me anyway) that eating only till satisfied is a big key to lowering the blood sugar. I remember you telling me Carolr about your diabetic friend's doc just telling him to eat less. Maybe he was saying don't overload your stomach. I have noticed that I need to eat just till satisfied not till full and get plenty of rest as well as move around more seems to help the fasting blood sugar go down. Anyway after my carby day, my weight was back down 3 lbs not up and my fasting blood sugar was down 8 pts. I find that quite interesting.

carolr3639
03-17-2013, 04:16 PM
I wrote elsewhere that I have NO problem leaving food, or throwing it out, which is something that people who want to practice IE have to be able to do.I really have trouble with this My mom was a real saver but never overweight.

carolr3639
03-17-2013, 07:14 PM
The book by Susanna Dee is really something. I'll be reading it a few times.

SouthernMaven
03-17-2013, 11:15 PM
The book by Susanna Dee is really something. I'll be reading it a few times.

I managed to finally find my copy this afternoon. I'm currently reading the Tribole/Resch book but have been looking back through Susanna's book.

I had forgotten Rule #9 - Eat the Best First - that's a good one!

I'm glad you are enjoying the book. One thing I really do like about it is that it's very light-hearted. The one I'm reading right now just gets too much into the weeds of IE. But there's some good stuff in it as well.

AlmostMe
03-18-2013, 07:03 AM
Hey y'all...

Yes SouthernMaven I am a born and bred Tennessean but have lived in England for 16 years. I feel for you not liking grits - I even had grits served at my wedding! Thankfully they are now quite easy to get here because of Italian polenta which is like a slightly finer grind of grits. I can even get quick cook polenta which means shrimp and grits is a nice fast go-to meal for me - along with some stir fry veggies. But I know what you mean...I don't like watermelon and prefer unsweet tea so I get my Southern credentials regularly challenged.

Fried okra I really miss :( I have made it from scratch, but that is a real pain to do. But I tell you what, it was amazing. Me and a Texan friend were in heaven - we couldn't believe the best fried okra we'd ever had was in London. I do cook with okra a lot. It's used a lot in Afro-Caribbean and Asian cooking so also easy for me to get.

Sausage biscuits. Dang. My biscuit making skills are POOR and of course you can't get them here. Well...you can buy biscuits - but they taste like cookies!! :) There is an Irish bread called a soda farl which comes pretty close.

Shiv - my in-laws live in Edinburgh. I've never had a deep fried Mars bar, but I have tried some other questionable deep fried stuff - like pizza. ??? I have had Irn Bru. It tastes of steel girder - I think you have to be born to it.

AlmostMe
03-18-2013, 07:19 AM
ZumbaChica - welcome!! And welcome back to eating like a thin person! You have to have a great advantage, because I've never eaten like a thin person since I was a little kid. I grew up in a household where binge eating and overeating was a regular occurrence. I never really saw normal eating.

One word of caution - I wouldn't really try fasting in combination with IE and if you're hungry at night - eat. But when first starting IE - and I have trouble with this, too - it's sometimes hard to pick up hunger signals appropriately. There are all kinds of reasons why we don't feel hunger or why we think we need to eat when we really don't.

Zumbachica
03-18-2013, 08:10 AM
Almost Me..thank you for the welcome. I think I need to stop trying to wing this myself and buy a book so i can do this with some structure. Yesterday I didn't fast and it felt like I went back to my old crappy ways....I felt so bloated at the end of the day....i feel so much better on days that I fast.....even if I am a bit discombobulated and hungry at night........

SouthernMaven
03-18-2013, 08:21 AM
Hey y'all...

Yep, AlmostMe, you're for real...even spelled "y'all" right ;)

If the food choices themselves hadn't given you away, the phrase "mess of grits" sure did!

But I know what you mean...I don't like watermelon and prefer unsweet tea so I get my Southern credentials regularly challenged.

Looks like we must have been separated at birth - I don't eat watermelon either, and I generally drink unsweet tea as well. Although I must admit I do like it sweetened if it's done right, but most of the time it's too sweet. My husband has a cousin who makes the best sweet tea I've ever eaten - it has just a whisper of sweet to it. Just fantastic.

Fried okra I really miss :(

I can imagine....

Sausage biscuits. Dang. My biscuit making skills are POOR and of course you can't get them here. Well...you can buy biscuits - but they taste like cookies!! :)

You poor thing! Wish I could ship some to you! I don't make good biscuits either - hubby had an aunt that made the best doggone biscuits in the world! She tried to teach me how to do it but I just could never duplicate her success, even with the cast-iron skillet, the specific type of flower she used (Martha White, I think), the buttermilk, and the Snow Drift shortening! They would melt in your mouth.

I grew up in Biloxi (that's the Biloxi lighthouse in my avatar) so I didn't really eat as much "southern food" as most people growing up in the south. Our culinary delights were seafood based. I could eat my weight in boiled crabs to this day, and of course I love shrimp and oysters as well. I wasn't exposed to all the wide variety of fresh vegetables until I went away to school and really discovered them when I met my husband and his family, who ate more that way. Man, I remember the first family reunion - was a major pig-out fest for me! And since I'm Catholic and he's Baptist I had NEVER been to a "dinner on the grounds" - another feast!

So you've been in England for 16 years...that must have been quite an adjustment. One of my cousins from Biloxi married a guy from Norway (he was a pilot in the Norwegian Air Force and she met him when he was training in Mississippi). She's been there over 40 years, and she still talks with a Biloxi accent! Fortunately she gets home fairly often; I'm going to try and go to the MS coast in a few days because she's there right now visiting family. (I currently live in the Atlanta metro area) I last saw her in June when she came for my daughter's wedding...yep, we had a mess of Norwegians there! :)

SouthernMaven
03-18-2013, 08:49 AM
Almost Me..thank you for the welcome. I think I need to stop trying to wing this myself and buy a book so i can do this with some structure. Yesterday I didn't fast and it felt like I went back to my old crappy ways....I felt so bloated at the end of the day....i feel so much better on days that I fast.....even if I am a bit discombobulated and hungry at night........

Zumbachica - I agree with AlmostMe - combining IE with fasting - the two really aren't compatible. IE teaches you to "honor your hunger" whereas fasting doesn't do that. Your weight loss with the fasting is probably due more to eating less calories overall, and since you mention that you are consistently hungry at night I suspect that is so.

If you want to learn more about IE, I would suggest reading The Overfed Head by Rob Stevens. It's a free book available online in PDF form - just google Overfed Head pdf and it will come right up. You might also want to try and pick up Intuitive Eating: A Revolutionary Program That Works. (by Triblole & Resch) I'm reading it now and it's very detailed. I got it from my local library.

My first introduction to IE (although she doesn't call it that) was a little-known book called "I've Tried It All! Now What?" by Susanna Dee. You can google "Donut Whisperer" and her website will come right up. You can order it there.

There are a lot of other resources available as well. Just google "intuitive eating" and you'll find lots of stuff online to read.

carolr3639
03-18-2013, 10:00 AM
I think I need to stop trying to wing this myself and buy a book so i can do this with some structure.The Overfed Head used to be my favorite book but now it is "I've Tried It All! Now What?" by Susanna Dee. She really lays it out in simple terms. When I first started fasting almost thirty years ago my weight problem actually got worse. So I don't do that anymore

carolr3639
03-18-2013, 10:04 AM
Yesterday I didn't fast and it felt like I went back to my old crappy ways....I felt so bloated at the end of the day...Fasting does make you feel temporarily good but tends to lead to overeating later. Eating less everyday is the key.

carolr3639
03-18-2013, 10:06 AM
Eating less everyday is sometimes hard to do but Susanna's book gives a lot of help and allows for tweaking. I don't have the book here right now but I'll try to put some quotes in that spoke to me

SouthernMaven
03-18-2013, 12:07 PM
Eating less everyday is sometimes hard to do but Susanna's book gives a lot of help and allows for tweaking. I don't have the book here right now but I'll try to put some quotes in that spoke to me

CarolR, are you on Facebook? There's a "donut whisperer" group on there you can join if you are. It's not real active, but I enjoy it.

I am so glad you like the book! Even though I feel that I like Overfed Head better, looking back on it I think what I liked most about it was how it brought everything together for me. Filled in the gaps from Susanna's book.

They are both so easy to read.

I just checked out "I Can Make You Thin" by Paul McKenna from my local library. I learned about him from AlmostMe. Just started reading through it and I can tell it's going to be a lot like Susanna's book - just very straightforward.

The Tribole/Resch book is tedious. Too much information that really isn't necessary, IMO. Not super-impressed with it, but I'll finish it and take from it what I can.

pattygirl63
03-18-2013, 06:11 PM
Hey, you southern gals,:) I'm one too. I was born and raised in TX, married an IN guy who lived in FL and lived there for a while (FL is a mixture of everybody) and then we moved here in SC. It's so nice to be back in the south and the 4 season which I love. I used to say I was not a good Southern gal because I did not like grits. Then my IN hubby taught me to eat them with a little bit of sugar (I use Stevia) and a little butter and they are good. My deceased hubby always ate them with salt and pepper and I think that is why I didn't like them. I do love watermelon, but it seems to have lost its place in my list of foods. Perhaps because when you "diet" it is never allowed. Now I can have it if I want it, but it is too expensive to me so I won't buy it.

As for fasting with IE, I did kind of a combo thing with that for a while, but it didn't last. The only thing that fasting did for me especially the Intermittent Fasting was it showed me that I really didn't have to have 3 meals a day and 3 snacks. It isn't going to kill me and the world isn't going to ome to an end if I skip a meal because I'm not hungry or if I wait and eat something an hour after I'm "supposed" to eat because that is when I am hungry. People cycle calories/carbs and play little games with their dieting. With IE, I can have breakfast if I want it or not eat it at all if I don't. I can eat when I get up (had a diet once that says "You must eat within an hour after getting out of bed in the morning), but I don't have too. Personally, I prefer getting dressed doing a few chores, then have a cup of coffee and I might have breakfast around 10 or 11. Have waited until noon to eat breakfast. IE makes things so much easier.

Can't get the book by Susanna right now, but I did print out some of her blog and thanks SouthernMaven for the heads up on the FB group. I joined that too.

pattygirl63
03-18-2013, 06:23 PM
I was typing and pc froze and my post went through before I was finished. I wanted to share a real IE accomplishment for me today.

I was up dressed and in the kitchen doing my regular morning routine and had the coffee on before I realized that I FORGOT TO WEIGHT myself. I have been so hooked on those stupid scales to the poing that I weighed every morning and evening and sometimes in between. I just couldn't shake the hold that stupid thing had on me. Funny thing is I felt so good about it and so free. I am eating so normal and I feel like that in due time the scale will move downward. I am just so happy to be free of that horrible obsession. And just had to share it with y'all.

Zumbachica
03-18-2013, 10:07 PM
Hmmmm...I guess I have to decide which of the two I want to do..IF or IE.....I like the idea of doing IF first, just to get a grip on the amount of calories I'm taking in.....IE is really the goal though......I wonder if I could ever get to the point of being that in tune with my body. thanks for the book recommendations, I'm going to look for them at the library.

Annleslie
03-18-2013, 10:45 PM
Thank you all for the recommendation to read "Overfed Head". I'm doing that now, but the author makes it seem so effortless. Is it?

Who here has transformed their thinking in this way and experienced dramatic and sustainable weight loss?

AlmostMe
03-19-2013, 03:36 AM
Annleslie - none of us are perfect and all of us are on a journey. Have a look at Paul McKenna's follow-up statistics.

No, IE is NOT effortless. Every single day, every single meal, I have to do a head-check. I have to mindful. I have to avoid self-sabotage. I have to deal with my emotions head on and not stuff them down with food. And that's something I do not like doing.

But it is the easiest way I've ever lost weight. And you don't diet, you LIVE in maintenance. So for me, that offers the best chance of long-term success. You learn to eat and behave in a sustainable way.

But the best gift of IE is that - most of the time - I am in control of food. Food is not in control of me.

Annleslie
03-19-2013, 04:38 AM
Thank you. Oh, so much reading...so much reading. There's got to be a YouTube on this.

SouthernMaven
03-19-2013, 07:05 AM
Good morning everyone!

Trish - Well, I guess we'll be singing "Dixie" here before too long! LOL

Congratulations on breaking the scale habit! Doesn't it feel fabulous? It's like the freedom of IE itself.

I'll admit I had a really tough time with that one, REALLY tough. In fact, I had no intention of giving up the scale, despite the recommendation by many IE proponents to do that. But after my last weigh-in (which was good) I suddenly realized that I just didn't need it any more. I think it was because I've finally come to believe that IE is working for me.

And I'll say this - because I know that a lot of people still do weigh themselves - I don't think it's an absolute that one must give up the weigh-ins. Like so much about IE, it's something we can individualize to fit into our own lives. As long as we're following the core principles, everything else falls into place.

Zumbachica - Good luck to you, whatever path you take. We have all come to IE in our own way. I believe one has to be ready to embrace it in their own time. I know it took me awhile to be able to do so. I hope you'll stick around here and learn as much as you can, and don't hesitate to ask any question you wish!

Annleslie - It is effortless? No. Is it easy? No. Does it work? Yes.

For me, the most difficult part is re-programming your thinking about food, which is really the primary principle behind Intuitive Eating. What you're doing, in a nutshell, is re-learning how to eat the way naturally thin people eat. You're changing your relationship with food, learning to accept it for what it really is - FUEL, and nothing more.

Like learning any new skill (or in this case - at least for me - re-learning it, because I have eaten like this before in my life), it takes practice. You're going to make mistakes. Just yesterday evening I fell back into my mode of eating while watching TV. I prepared my supper and before I even knew what I was doing I plopped myself down in from of the TV to watch the evening news. So I didn't eat that meal the way I should have been eating it. Yes, I was hungry - we need to be hungry when we eat. But I wasn't savoring my food, which is so very important when practicing IE. Unconscious eating has always been a real problem for me, and I have to work at that every day.

Read as much as you can, stick around here, and ask questions.

I started a thread under Weight Loss Support titled "The Things WE Don't Get About Thin People" and I've been absolutely blown away by the responses there. Lots of people really do understand that there's a difference between the way thin people look at food vs those of us who have/are struggling to maintain a normal weight. One lady REALLY got it - she said her biggest regret was going on her first diet. Unfortunately, I don't think the majority of them realize that they also can once again "eat like a thin person."

It's not my intention to drag people kicking and screaming to IE - everyone has to get to it in their own way. I didn't even mention IE or that I'm practicing it; I just want people to really start thinking about how important it is to develop a healthy relationship with food, regardless of how much you weigh or how you choose to lose the excess weight. Because until you do, it will not STAY off. Some people who have maintained for a long time have developed their own ways of coping, and I think that's wonderful, but I think EVERYONE has the ability to be an intuitive eater. And I believe that being an IE practitioner provides the real key to long-term successful weight loss.

AlmostMe - I was able to get Paul McKenna's book I Can Make You Thin at my local library. It's a nice change from the heaviness of the Tribole/Resch book. I've read a couple of chapters and am looking forward to reading some of his "tricks of the trade."

I'm going out of town today for several days so if you don't see me around that's why. I will have my iPad but I generally don't get online much when I go back home. Too many things to do, too many people to see!

I hope everyone has a great week!

Annleslie
03-19-2013, 08:01 AM
Do you really follow or agree with the Hunger Guide provided in The Overfed Head or on thintuition.com?

The eating range is narrow, beginning with "considerable hunger"...not even moderate hunger, and ends long before gratification, satisfaction, or the diminishing or disappearance of hunger.

Wouldn't eating so narrowly, at least as defined by that model of hunger, prompt hunger to occur more often? Or, does it matter?

SouthernMaven
03-19-2013, 09:23 AM
Do you really follow or agree with the Hunger Guide provided in The Overfed Head or on thintuition.com?

The eating range is narrow, beginning with "considerable hunger"...not even moderate hunger, and ends long before gratification, satisfaction, or the diminishing or disappearance of hunger.

Wouldn't eating so narrowly, at least as defined by that model of hunger, prompt hunger to occur more often? Or, does it matter?

Annleslie - like so much about IE, this is a very personal decision. For me, most of the time, if I can, I eat when I am moderately hungry. I describe that as the empty feeling in my stomach, mostly, but not always, accompanied by those growling sensations we are familiar with. But sometimes I get busy, those feelings pass, and then I don't eat until I'm what I would consider ravenous.

Most IE proponents warn against doing that, but my experience has been that even if I do that, AS LONG AS I PRACTICE MINDFUL EATING - slowing down and savoring each bite - I still do not overeat.

I've read a lot of different things about IE, and everyone's description of when you should eat is different. My advice is to read as much as you can, but in the end, it needs to be what YOU are comfortable with, not another person's description of what is right. And it really does take some practice.

It's easy to overthink IE, but try not to. The whole idea is to get back to recognizing true hunger. Chronic dieters have, for the most part, lost the ability to do that. I sure did.

carolr3639
03-19-2013, 10:25 AM
Just yesterday evening I fell back into my mode of eating while watching TV. Susanna Dee says that's ok. That's why I like her book. The most important thing is that you take in less than you expend and that is finally hitting me on the head so to speak. She leaves bites but I think there are other ways of doing that. So many good tips in her book.

carolr3639
03-19-2013, 03:02 PM
Thank you all for the recommendation to read "Overfed Head". I'm doing that now, but the author makes it seem so effortless. Is it?When I first read The Overfed Head, I lost 40lb but could never lose the last 30. Now that I have read the other book by Susanna Dee, I see what I am doing wrong. I need to look at the big picture. If I am not losing, I am eating more than my body needs.

pattygirl63
03-19-2013, 03:45 PM
Susanna Dee says that's ok. That's why I like her book. The most important thing is that you take in less than you expend and that is finally hitting me on the head so to speak. She leaves bites but I think there are other ways of doing that. So many good tips in her book.

I used to leave a bite or 2 on my plate too, but don't necessarily make that a habit any more unless I find I need to do it for a discipline practice. Especially if I realize that I'm enjoying the food to the point that I've gone from eating for satisfaction to eating because it tastes so good. Now I mostly try to just recognize the body signal that lets me know that lets me know " I am joyfully satisfied and you can stop because I don't need any more food".

I also have no problem eating in front of the tv any more either because I'm truly not eating unless really hungry. Using the idea of waiting at least 15 min to see if I'm really hungry seems to help with that. Nuts are usually my snack food when watching tv and I recently noticed that I am automatically eating just a few of them. There was a time that I would have eaten half a jar without even realizing it. Even had some chips this week and it worked out that way too. I think it is the idea of being free to go eat some more later if I really want them AND the biggie THEY ARE NOT FORB7IDDEN. Which reminds me that, DH and I got busy doing our taxes and I absolutely forgot to eat any supper. Just never got hungry. This is great.

Carolr Please share anything you find helpful from Susanna's book. I went on her website and buying the book is $14.95 + S&H which I could easily do, but they use PayPal and I don't have an account for that and not sure I want one. Amazon sales the book from other people ad it is $79 + and I'm not spending that much book for any book.

pattygirl63
03-19-2013, 04:05 PM
Do you really follow or agree with the Hunger Guide provided in The Overfed Head or on thintuition.com?

The eating range is narrow, beginning with "considerable hunger"...not even moderate hunger, and ends long before gratification, satisfaction, or the diminishing or disappearance of hunger.

Wouldn't eating so narrowly, at least as defined by that model of hunger, prompt hunger to occur more often? Or, does it matter?


I eat pretty much like SouthernMaven eats. I'm doing IE the way it works for me like I did whe I first learned about it. I suggest doing it the way it works for you personally.

When I first did IE, I was doing so great. I just didn't get hungry. I found another website support group. If I remember right, the girl who had that website had worked for or with the authors of the IE book we all read when we first heard of IE. I made the mistake of telling her that there were times when I went over 6 + hrs with being hungry and I had a few times I wasn't hungry for 24 hrs. She told me that was not healthy and I wasn't supposed to go more than 5 hrs without eating. Of course, now they have come out with Intermittent Fasting and other types of fasting where s 5ome people only eat within a 5 to 8 hr windows of eating fasting 16 to even 24 hrs. I can do that to if my body doesn't need the food, but the reason I can't do the fasting on a regular basis is that my body may need me to eat when I've planned to fast. I just decided that IE works better for me because eat or don't eat by signal. I'm not looking for a way to binge (not saying everyone who fasts does that because they don't), I'm looking for a healthy way of eating so I can stick to it and make it a lifestyle. The day I realized that IE is the way I ate everytime I was thin and how it was not an effort for me to eat this way and what I ate at those time, I also realized that this the Natural/Normal way of eating for me.

Your question about when to end your eating as required in the book. I like the rules of IE that I heard years ago except for one. The one I read said eat until you are full. I don't like the feeling "full". So I eat until I'm satisfied because I feel better physically when I do that. Some 20+ yrs ago I got very sick with the most horrible virus I ever had in my life. The good thing I learned from that experience was how good it felt when my stomach was empty. I remember when I started feeling better how light I felt because my stomach was full or stuffed with anything and saying out loud to myself (I was alone), "I love this feeling". Now that I've discovered IE, I've decided that is how I want to feel again. So I try to eat only until satisfied. I am sorry to say I have not mastered that by a long shot. But I'm not giving up. I love it when I go out to eat or eat a big meal with people and when I hear them say "I'm so stuffed" or "I am so full" that I can sit there thinking "Not me. I ate just enough to be joyfully satisfied". And I've eaten everything I wanted to eat.

So like SouthernMave says those things have to be your personal preference. Make IE yours. After all, it is your journey and it will be your success.

pattygirl63
03-19-2013, 04:37 PM
I'm wordy today. But I thought I would share how I ate just before I married husband (now deceased) of 31 yrs. I was living by myself and I was a kindergarden teacher. I didn't make much money so couldn't afford a lot of food anyway. I had a car but I was very active and it was one of those times that I only had to cook for me. I ate one meal a day. Ground meat was so cheap that I lived on a burger, a few fries and a glass of milk which I ate for supper during those months. If for some reason I did get hungry during the day, I would eat a bite of something for lunch which equaled more of snack because I only needed 1 or 2 bites of something to satisfy me at school. I never ate breakfast. I was losing weight like crazy with no effort and when I married my DH I weighed around 150 lbs. Once I got married and went back to eating the "normal" 3 meals a day it wasn't long until I was back up to 200 lbs. This is the way it has been all my adult years. The only time I've ever successfully lost weight was when I ate only when I was hungry which only consisted of 1 meal and occasional snacks as neede lid.

You know as I share this, I realize that eating skills should be individualized. When the grandkids and their parents were living here, they all ate differently. One grandaughter would seemigly eat all the time, but she was so active she burned it off. But she didn't pig out when she ate. I've seen her take out a bowl of fruit or make a bowl of cereal or soup and eat only as much as she wanted and put the other away. She might come back and eat again, but always as much as it took to satisfy the need. Her sister ate completely differently. She was not as active. She would make herself a snack. She seemed to know exactly how much she wanted ahead of time... sometime only half a bagel with cream cheese instead of a whole one. But she only ate as much as she wanted. Many times she ate no breakfast and at school if the line was too long or she didn't like what was on the menu she didn't eat at all. I don't know if I was right or wrong, but I didn't like her having nothing all day as her days were long before she got back home and I would talk her into at least taking fruit with her. Their Mother eats pretty much the same way and she is thin as well.

My point is that if we had been left alone when we were thin like them, would we have a weight problem today? When I was thin, I ate like they do. I've always said I was taught that I had to eat 3 meals etc and diets reinforce it. We were taught to eat contrary to our "natural" IE way of eating. Maybe the whole point of IE is that we don't have weight problem, we have an eating problelm. We learned to eat the way the world tells us we have to eat to be healthy and when we did it went against our natural instinct and we paid the price with weight gain. Then they told us we had to eat less so we went on a diet that still told us to eat contrary to our natural instinct and we still had the problem which gradually got worse. I call it being brainwashed into believing that their way was right. Thank God for people who had the guts to stand up and say "no" it doesn't work and we now have IE and are learning to unlearn the junk because they were wrong not us.

I am so thankful for IE. So glad we have each other here at this site.

carolr3639
03-19-2013, 07:57 PM
Patty, I'm rereading I've Tried It All! Now What?!" by Susanna Dee for the third time marking pages that I want to quote.

Annleslie
03-20-2013, 02:58 AM
I experimented with hunger today and had very little for breakfast and lunch, then waited a full 8 hours until dinner. I was looking for signals from my stomach, but the growls and grumbles continued to be bearable. I did however suffer a headache, lightheadedness and physical weakness toward the end of the 8 hours and realized that's my cue that I'm more than considerably hungry.

I learned today that once the physical growls begin, I don't need to drop what I'm doing and head for the kitchen, or interrupt my schedule and hit a drive-thru, but that I shouldn't deliberately prolong nourishment either and that I should locate and consume pleasurable food within a couple of hours (not 8) of the onset of initial hunger.

Once I finally consumed my last meal, after the 8 hour lapse, I had to slow my intake and remind myself to savor every bite. I didn't "overeat" though, but you're right...this takes reprogramming of the mentality.

Annleslie
03-20-2013, 03:01 AM
I'm tired. I meant, I shouldn't "prolong hunger and postpone nourishment".

pattygirl63
03-20-2013, 09:48 AM
I experimented with hunger today and had very little for breakfast and lunch, then waited a full 8 hours until dinner. I was looking for signals from my stomach, but the growls and grumbles continued to be bearable. I did however suffer a headache, lightheadedness and physical weakness toward the end of the 8 hours and realized that's my cue that I'm more than considerably hungry.

I learned today that once the physical growls begin, I don't need to drop what I'm doing and head for the kitchen, or interrupt my schedule and hit a drive-thru, but that I shouldn't deliberately prolong nourishment either and that I should locate and consume pleasurable food within a couple of hours (not 8) of the onset of initial hunger.

Once I finally consumed my last meal, after the 8 hour lapse, I had to slow my intake and remind myself to savor every bite. I didn't "overeat" though, but you're right...this takes reprogramming of the mentality.

That's why I learned that Intermittent Fasting was not for me. When I waited too long, I was so hungry that I ate so quickly and sometimes I did overeat and I didn't enjoy one bite of it because I didn't slow down enough to do so. Good lesson and thanks for the reminder.

Annleslie
03-20-2013, 03:44 PM
I promised myself that I wouldn't spend a cent more on diet regimes, including books (I have enough diet books to start my own mini-library), so learning a new approach is limited to word of mouth and the information that's freely available online or in my local library.

I began my reading with The Overfed Head, implemented the approach and discovered what was useful and what was not. I'm not too keen on the author's chart for hunger and actually found a simpler one online within an article on Intuitive Eating. The article is found on WebMD and is titled, "Am I Really Hungry" by Kathleen M. Zelman, MPH, RD, LD. It's a simple article with a simple chart that I can follow fairly well to assess my hunger.

webmd(dot)com/diet/features/really-hungry

On another note, during grocery shopping last night, I bought a few boxes of Skinny Cow ice cream...it's now almost 12 hours later and they're still unopened, when usually at least an entire box would be empty by now. That's mindfulness!

carolr3639
03-20-2013, 04:07 PM
I bought a few boxes of Skinny Cow ice cream...it's now almost 12 hours later and they're still unopened, when usually at least an entire box would be empty by now. That's mindfulness!That's great!!!

carolr3639
03-20-2013, 04:10 PM
Basically, Susanna Dee lost weight by leaving food on her plate....3 bites of each food or drink. But she has a lot of good things to say.
The wonderful thing about my weight loss storyand my weight loss consulting business is that you will find no mention of psychotherapy.

carolr3639
03-20-2013, 04:12 PM
Here's another idea.
The feeling of fullness is only one small factor in the satiety equation.
filling up the stomach is actually one of the least powerful factors of true satisfaction.

carolr3639
03-20-2013, 04:22 PM
LastlyThe fact I no longer had to deny myself and ate only what I really craved had put me back in touch with my true satiety point. I was satisfying the most powerful factor when it comes to our relationship with food-my head-all that data which influence my food choices for whatever emotional, physical or mental reason. And in so doing it took less and less food to satisfy me. It brought me back to being in touch with my body and even more importantly, it took all the fear out of eating.

SouthernMaven
03-21-2013, 09:22 AM
I promised myself that I wouldn't spend a cent more on diet regimes, including books (I have enough diet books to start my own mini-library), so learning a new approach is limited to word of mouth and the information that's freely available online or in my local library.

I began my reading with The Overfed Head, implemented the approach and discovered what was useful and what was not. I'm not too keen on the author's chart for hunger and actually found a simpler one online within an article on Intuitive Eating. The article is found on WebMD and is titled, "Am I Really Hungry" by Kathleen M. Zelman, MPH, RD, LD. It's a simple article with a simple chart that I can follow fairly well to assess my hunger.

webmd(dot)com/diet/features/really-hungry

On another note, during grocery shopping last night, I bought a few boxes of Skinny Cow ice cream...it's now almost 12 hours later and they're still unopened, when usually at least an entire box would be empty by now. That's mindfulness!

Annleslie - that was a great article! Very IE oriented! The one thing I personally didn't agree with - for myself, while I'm still learning about hunger cues - is to schedule meals and snacks. I think that defeats the whole purpose of IE and goes back to the diet mentality, but she wasn't writing that article for people practicing IE, so I understand that. It's just not applicable to me right now. But the rest of it really fits the IE concept and gives good guidelines for assessing true hunger.

The only IE book I've purchased is "I've tried it all! Now what?" by Susanna Dee. Which is how I first learned of IE (although she doesn't call it that). Everything else I've read online or checked out of the library. I think there's plenty of information for free. Ultimately it's up to us to put it into practice.

AlmostMe
03-21-2013, 01:42 PM
Have I mentioned how much I loooove IE. :val1:

Today I've been quite hungry - at lunch I had an amaaazing cajun shrimp and fish wrap. Cooked right in front of my eyes outside a fish restaurant. It looked like they were putting mayo on it and I said 'none for me' (don't like it)- they said it was creme fraiche, so I said go for it. It was so delicious. I enjoyed every single bite.

I also had this craving for yellow squash casserole (must have been all that talk of Southern food!!). So I bought some yellow squash at the foodie market where I bought the wrap. Unfortunately my squash cost more than my wrap - yellow squash is almost impossible to find here. I'm so looking forward to my supper. But I better get on it!

pattygirl63
03-21-2013, 03:49 PM
I find it interesting that now that I can eat whatever I want that I am also learning what I like and don't like. I love pasta. So yesterday DH and I decided to go to Olive Garden for lunch for a change. I told DH last night that I don't think that Olive Garden is a place that I care to go to very often. I love their salad and bread sticks, but not a big fan of the meals. Most of the meals they have that I like, I can make at home or buy frozen at the store. I like to eat things I can't or won't cook at home. DH got a pizza and got half of it with sausage (my favorite), but their's was not good to me. My favorite is from Pizza Hut with thin crust. I ate 1 piece and the rest is in fridge and if DGS doesn't want it when he comes home this weekend it will go down the garbage disposal. The one meal I ordered would have been 2 meals for me so I brought half of it home. Warmed up it as terrible. Needless to say, that isn't a place that will be put on my list of places to eat. If I wasn't doing IE, I'm not sure I would have ever figured this out.

pattygirl63
03-21-2013, 03:51 PM
Have I mentioned how much I loooove IE. :val1:


Me too!!

carolr3639
03-21-2013, 04:11 PM
Another quote from Susanna Dee. I don't know if I have ever read the problem of tasting food while preparing it. Simply be aware you ate a good protion of your meal while preparing your family's meal and your body knows you did. So when you sit down serve yourself about half the amount you would have normally served yourself and enjoy! Do leave bites on your plate and journal your food. It's just a matter of adjusting with a little common sense thrown in.

carolr3639
03-21-2013, 06:18 PM
Even though I don't drink, I thought this was important.........compensation. If you're going out for just drinks with friends after work, compensate for it somewhere else in the other meals your day. You can trust yourself to be flexible with the rules.

carolr3639
03-21-2013, 06:22 PM
When she says journaling, she just means counting all the bites you left and multiplying by 1/4. That is the number of miles you won't have to jog to get the calories off. I guess you have to read the book to really get it. ha

carolr3639
03-21-2013, 09:24 PM
Southern Maven, I want to read that thread you started but I see it will take me awhile.

AlmostMe
03-22-2013, 03:11 AM
Pattygirl - I'm totally with you on the Olive Garden! Love the salad. Could just eat that. Their mains??? Not so much. There isn't Olive Garden in the UK, but when I visit the US my mother sometimes wants to go there. I put my foot down. I haven't eaten there in maybe - well over a decade?

And I agree on the restaurant thing. I *really* don't like eating meals in restaurants and thinking "I can make better than that." Of course, I'm a pretty good cook ;)

lunarsongbird
03-22-2013, 12:38 PM
Hello Ladies! I started reading a bit of Overfed Head this morning. I like it quite a bit and it has pretty much what I have been doing since January.

I had a bit of an "Ah-ha" moment this morning when thinking about the book- My husband is quite skinny. Always has been. He eats what he wants- when he wants. Now it all makes sense as to why when I ask him what he wants to eat later that evening or for the weekend...he always responds, "I don't know."

How does IE work with meal planning? It does seem to...
which makes me feel a little...hm...unorganized?

carolr3639
03-22-2013, 12:55 PM
How does IE work with meal planning? I like to have things I like ready when I get hungry, so, lately, I've been fixing extra at meal time so I can have something ready when I get hungry. I even made cookie dough and froze it in individual cookies.

PreciousMissy
03-22-2013, 04:03 PM
Hello all! I didn't know this thread existed until I read about it on another thread!

I've been doing IE for 2 months now and I really do like it. I'm still trying to get the hang of it. I've been eating healthier foods and smaller portions of the "not as healthy" things. I also try to eat a portion of vegetables before eating anything else, and I try to remember to put the fork down and ask myself if I'm still hungry before I continue.

The only obstacle that I have to overcome is the one in my head. Two years ago I counted calories and averaged 8-10lb per month...right now I'm at an 5lb average. I have to remind myself that IE is a lot less mental stress, and if it's something I can stick to then the 5lb loss per month will stick.

carolr3639
03-22-2013, 04:42 PM
:welcome2:PreciousMissy and Lunarsongbird.

AlmostMe
03-23-2013, 04:20 AM
Lunarsongbird - I plan meals. I use my crockpot a lot - so by necessity I know what I'm having for dinner later on. But as I mentioned above, I'm a dang good cook - so I know it will be absolutely delicious. If I do say so myself... There's nothing wrong with meal planning as long as you know you're fixing yourself something truly delicious and healthy. Personally, I avoid the junk because I now really don't want it. It's doesn't actually taste that good. For me a meal isn't a great meal unless it involves deliciously prepared veggies. However - this does mean that you may need to alter meal times to suit: "Ok, I need to eat NOW" and "I'm not really hungry right now so I'll wait on eating for a while."

However, I'm not super-organised so I do allow whim to dictate what I eat sometimes. Yesterday for example, I didn't have crockpot waiting for me, so I decided to have steak. I ate a lot - probably too much. But this morning I was up .1 kg - well within the normal fluctuations I get - and I'm still ahead of my .5kg goal for the week.

In the beginning it feels tricky. In the beginning you may find yourself eating at weird times. I also try to manage my hunger with snacks at a rate that I'm satisfied and can then allow myself to get hungry again before suppertime. Tonight I'm going to a swanky do and I know the food will be awesome - I'll just have to manage my hunger so that when I get there I'll be ready to eat. I do a lot of exercise - so lately I've been hungry A LOT. I'm actually putting away a lot of food...or anyway - it feels like it.

I do tend to eat 'healthy' foods first - and rarely want sweets. These days if I want something sweet I tend to go to fruit first - just naturally.

If there's an amazing dessert on offer I'll sometimes try it - even if I'm pretty satisfied. Simply because I want the experience of tasting it. But I can eat one or two bites and then I'm done. And the more delicious my healthy main has been the less I want of anything else.

AlmostMe
03-23-2013, 04:22 AM
PreciousMissy - that is a tricky part of IE. Sometimes it's fast and sometimes it's slow. You have to accept it. However, if you want to accelerate weight loss, exercise more. Make sure it's something you enjoy though!!! It's just as important to enjoy moving your body as it is enjoying your food.

SouthernMaven
03-23-2013, 09:42 AM
Welcome lunarsongbird and PreciousMissy - glad you are with us!

Got back from the MS coast yesterday evening. It was so nice not to have to worry about whether or not I'd be able to "stay on my diet" as it has been so many times in the past. I just ordered food that appealed to me and ate until I was satisfied.

AlmostMe, I thought about you on the way down. I had only had a banana and a small mocha all day before I left at 2:00 pm so I stopped in Alabama at the Cracker Barrel and ordered (a very late) lunch. Among other items I had the fried okra and although it is sometimes hit and miss there, that day it was outstanding! I enjoyed it for me and for you ;) The biscuit was also good (but of course I didn't have grits!)

This is where we ate on Thursday night - the dad was a riot!

http://youtu.be/FzGryWsCVLg

AlmostMe
03-23-2013, 10:24 AM
Thanks for thinking of my fried okra!! Glad it was really good that day!

jazzmegirl
03-23-2013, 12:48 PM
Thanks for thinking of my fried okra!! Glad it was really good that day!

Anyone have any tips for meal planning? I never seem to know what to eat, and usually get takeout, but it's getting expensive.

AlmostMe
03-23-2013, 02:09 PM
jazzmegirl - what do you really enjoy eating? What's your top 5 restaurant, home or takeout food. Think about how you would stock up and make those things at home. Work from that and then plan out 2-3 days of meals. don't worry about weeks til you get the hang of it.

lunarsongbird
03-23-2013, 04:54 PM
Today I was talking to DH about IE, which he thinks is hilarious, because that's just the way he eats.

And we were talking about my fears....one of my biggest fears...and probably many people feel the same way, "How do I know when to stop?"

He says, "Well- I just stop when I don't feel like eating anymore."
Where is that? Somewhere between satisfied and full. Where is that "don't feel like anymore sensation?" What does it feel like? How do I know?

I know that it's a journey and might take awhile...

pattygirl63
03-23-2013, 05:36 PM
A BIG WELCOME to ALL THE NEWBIES!!! Glad you found us.

Lunarsongbird I come from a family of big eaters. I don't think I could trust myself to eat until I didn't feel like eating any more because I'm afraid my tastebuds would rule when I stop and not when I feel satisfied. I think that is where each individual has to find their own "signal" or way that works for them. To me full, means I'm going to feel stuffed. Guess, I don't define it like others do. I probably ate like your DH once in my life, because I can remember a time when food didn't interest me and I just didn't want to be bothered. Even today there are times that I wouldn't eat or cook, if I didn't have to prepare food for DH.

As for meal planning, I have an idea in my mind ahead of time most days as to what I want to eat, but am flexible. I have to admit that I even did that when I was dieting on WW and other diets. I always planned my meals according to what I could eat and then there were times that I might decide (for example) that I wanted broccoli instead of green beans or maybe I would rather have steak instead of chicken. I do that even with IE. I may have a plan in my mind when I get up in the morning or even the night before. Then as the day goes along or DH decides he wants to go out or whatever, I know I can change my mind. It kind of helps me feel more like a "normal" eater and not a dieter. In a way, I may have sort of planned in advance by purchasing only the foods that I know I will want to eat. For example, today I went to the store. I saw a few things I know I would like to eat in the near future, maybe next week so got it in the freezer for when the mood strikes me.

SouthernMaven I too plan to read your blog.

lunarsongbird
03-23-2013, 09:00 PM
For example, today I went to the store. I saw a few things I know I would like to eat in the near future, maybe next week so got it in the freezer for when the mood strikes me.

SouthernMaven I too plan to read your blog.

Oh, Oh! I did that today too and it felt GREAT! I went to Whole Foods, which feels very nourishing and indulgent to me and walked down every aisle. I savored the sights and smells of the market.
Haha- I even took some time to admire this GIGANTIC english pea. Doesn't it look large compared to the snap pea?
http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/ag6/lunarsongbird/phpAQ38nRPM_zpsca7d716c.jpg
It delighted me- so I bought servings of them both. (You can't eat the pod of the English peas- you have to pop the peas out, which feels so...homey. Despite never doing it before, but I like the idea of a home that shells their own peas.)


I think one of the reasons I enjoyed that market so much was that I thought, "I can eat any of these things if I wanted. Any single thing." But it turns out- I don't want a lot of it.

I'm very happy to have found you ladies and this little corner of IE.

And I'd like to read Maven's blog too. Where do I find it? :)

SouthernMaven
03-24-2013, 10:59 AM
I think one of the reasons I enjoyed that market so much was that I thought, "I can eat any of these things if I wanted. Any single thing." But it turns out- I don't want a lot of it.

I completely understand that feeling! Foods that were previously considered "forbidden" have very little appeal to me now that I know I can have them whenever I want.

And I'd like to read Maven's blog too. Where do I find it? :)

Unfortunately I don't have a blog - not yet, anyway. I believe I mentioned earlier in the thread that I was thinking about starting one. That may have been what Trish was referring to.

Or it could be she meant the thread that I started under the "Weight Loss Support" section of the forum. Although I never mentioned IE there (and I had not yet changed my profile to indicate "Intuitive Eater" when it was being responded to) I was surprised at how many people understand the concept without realizing that it is within their reach as well. They see how thin people eat and understand that they have a different relationship with food than overweight people do.

Here's a link to it if you wish to read it:

http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/weight-loss-support/277915-things-we-dont-get-about-thin-people.html

lunarsongbird
03-24-2013, 11:32 AM
Oh my gosh! I love Robin41's husband leaving a single pea on the plate! That's hilarious.
http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/leeser/leeser0908/leeser090800044/5366864-a-single-pea-on-a-plate.jpg
I'll get there someday. :)

That's funny.

SouthernMaven
03-24-2013, 11:36 AM
I just finished re-reading The Overfed Head last night.

There was one thing he brought up that Susanna Dee also talks about in her book - eat the best first! For example, if you're in a restaurant and you know you REALLY want dessert but are pretty sure you'll reach satiety during the meal & then not be hungry enough to eat it, just order it first! I know that sounds a little strange, but if you're just dying for that chocolate pie, why not get it out of the way?

Since I'm not much of a sweet eater that's generally not an issue for me (I rarely order dessert in a restaurant and rarely crave sweets), but boy oh boy, do I LOVE my bread! Of course it generally comes out first, so I'm able to indulge my craving. It's just that now I eat it very slowly and deliberately.

I think it's critical to our success with IE to never deny a really strong craving, as long as we are truly hungry.

Also, when the author talks about recognizing true hunger, he encourages the reader to "practice" by allowing yourself to get really hungry, even perhaps skipping a meal so that you can begin to distinguish between appetite and hunger. For me, this is the biggest challenge I face with IE. I'm still struggling with it. So today I'm allowing myself to get pretty hungry before eating. While I was out of town I ended up being on more of a traditional meal schedule and because of that I feel like I may have eaten more than I would have had I been at home.

SouthernMaven
03-24-2013, 11:38 AM
Oh my gosh! I love Robin41's husband leaving a single pea on the plate! That's hilarious.
http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/leeser/leeser0908/leeser090800044/5366864-a-single-pea-on-a-plate.jpg
I'll get there someday. :)

That's funny.

I know - wasn't that amazing??? True intuitive eating at its best!

lunarsongbird
03-24-2013, 04:09 PM
I made corned beef hash today for brunch. It was awesome. I also made a siracha hollandaise sauce and asparagus. I stopped eating when every bite was still as delicious as the last, but I was satisfied.

I also have a pork roast in the oven that is supposed to cook for 6 hours.
I can't wait to get to the point that I'm not overthinking food, but right now I'm worried. What if I'm not hungry to eat dinner with DH? He'll be so disappointed. Eating is such a social thing in our culture- and in my life.

Have you ever adjusted with exercise to ensure that you ARE hungry for a particular event?

Also- I'm still freaked out about the "starvation mode myth."

carolr3639
03-25-2013, 06:08 PM
When you cook for 250 people, 2 days for lunch and dinner, you are NOT hungry. ha!

SouthernMaven
03-25-2013, 08:31 PM
When you cook for 250 people, 2 days for lunch and dinner, you are NOT hungry. ha!

Is that what your last two days have been like? If so, you probably won't eat for days! I know I wouldn't. :D

PreciousMissy
03-26-2013, 12:08 PM
Foods that were previously considered "forbidden" have very little appeal to me now that I know I can have them whenever I want.

This is becoming true for me, too

This last Sunday I surprised myself. I had a larger breakfast than I normally would and then I didn't eat (or even think about food) until dinner time. I honestly can't remember the last time I went an entire afternoon without thinking about food.

I hope everyone is having a wonderful week!

SouthernMaven
03-26-2013, 01:02 PM
This is becoming true for me, too

This last Sunday I surprised myself. I had a larger breakfast than I normally would and then I didn't eat (or even think about food) until dinner time. I honestly can't remember the last time I went an entire afternoon without thinking about food.

I hope everyone is having a wonderful week!

That's great, PreciousMissy! I think you'll discover, as you continue practicing IE, how much less you think about food overall.

Yesterday I had one of those crazy days - didn't eat anything in the morning and went out to run errands. I had a $5 coupon for IHOP in my purse and decided to have lunch there. In the past I'd have gone online, pulled up the menu and nutrition information, calculated what I could eat to stay in my calorie allotment (allowing for supper, of course, because you HAVE to eat supper, right?), and all that other nonsense.

But yesterday I walked in, took out the menu, and ordered a CHEESEBURGER AND FRIES of all things! I wouldn't have even considered that in the past. It came, I ate it, savoring every bite, and left half of it uneaten. And when I say half I mean half because I cut the burger in half when I got it and it was still there on the plate when I sat there finishing my coffee. The fries were okay, not great, and I don't think I ate even half of those. The server asked me if she should get me a "to-go" box and I said no thanks - "Are you SURE? That's a lot of food!" - and I knew that if I took it home it would go straight from the refrigerator to the garbage can. So I declined.

I have to say here that I love, love, LOVE eating out! I eat out a LOT. But in the past if I went out for lunch I'd meticulously count out the calories, saving some for later. Now I just eat what I want and worry about later...later. And most of the time there is no later, just like yesterday. That was all I ate, as it completely filled me up. And this morning I was a bit hungry (probably since I had no supper) so I had yogurt with grape-nuts. I love that! Still haven't eaten lunch - it's 1:00 pm - but I have to go out again and I'm thinking tomato soup from Panera. It's very cold here today and I need something warm!

lunarsongbird
03-26-2013, 04:49 PM
Well- here I am. 4 days on IE and I'm down 2 pounds. (Official WI Saturday- 215; Official WI Today- 213)
I've eaten some amazing food. Here is a sample:

-Corned beef hash (fried in beef fat) with a poached egg and siracha hollandaise; asaparagus and cantalope
-Buffalo wings and bruchetta with a whitbeer and a farmhouse ale
-Greek yogurt with chocolate hazelnut butter
-Slow roasted pork roast with green beans sauteed in ghee, garlic and lemon; Irish soda bread dressing, pale ale beer
-Chicken curry with dahl and an IPA beer
-Liver pate with cornichons and crackers

But per IE...I have only eaten when hungry. No other time. And I've been wondering WHY I have eaten when I'm not hungry at other times....some because diets have told me to (Don't EVER let yourself get hungry)- and the other is because I like good food. I really really like decadent, wonderful and real food. I love that I can still think about it and have it....but only when I'm hungry.

I work with a consultant at the metabolic research center. Two consultants, actually. And today one of my consultants was really surprised with my results...

She's absolutely shocked that I can be eating so much fat (and I don't even tell her about the half of it)- and be losing body fat percentage (they track body metrics every WI).

I'm not afraid of the fats that were found in traditional cultures. In fact- I embrace it.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/557726-eat-fat-to-burn-fat/

Did you know about two-thirds of your brain is composed of fats?

AlmostMe
03-26-2013, 05:38 PM
Oh I've been having trouble lately stopping eating....basically since Sunday. I played a whole match in freezing weather. And because my hunger signals are so screwy on those days it's hard to tell. I gained 2lbs overnight and it's stayed with me today. I'm sure not all of it is from food. I am very sore and very bruised. Tried to go back to plan today.

But when I reflected on how much I've eaten Monday and Tuesday, I realise it's so much less than I used to eat in my wretched over-eating days.

carolr3639
03-26-2013, 06:14 PM
I gained 2lbs overnight and it's stayed with me today. This can easily be water weight.

lunarsongbird
03-26-2013, 06:40 PM
This can easily be water weight.

Oh- for sure- especially after a hard workout, your muscles will usually hold on to at least 2 pounds in water.

SouthernMaven
03-26-2013, 08:09 PM
Well- here I am. 4 days on IE and I'm down 2 pounds. (Official WI Saturday- 215; Official WI Today- 213)
I've eaten some amazing food. Here is a sample:

-Corned beef hash (fried in beef fat) with a poached egg and siracha hollandaise; asaparagus and cantalope
-Buffalo wings and bruchetta with a whitbeer and a farmhouse ale
-Greek yogurt with chocolate hazelnut butter
-Slow roasted pork roast with green beans sauteed in ghee, garlic and lemon; Irish soda bread dressing, pale ale beer
-Chicken curry with dahl and an IPA beer
-Liver pate with cornichons and crackers

Yummy!

But per IE...I have only eaten when hungry. No other time. And I've been wondering WHY I have eaten when I'm not hungry at other times....some because diets have told me to (Don't EVER let yourself get hungry)- and the other is because I like good food. I really really like decadent, wonderful and real food. I love that I can still think about it and have it....but only when I'm hungry.

Yes, I was also guilty of making sure I never got hungry - was actually AFRAID of being hungry - so never enjoyed what I was eating. One thing I've learned with IE is not to be afraid of hunger. Today I was VERY hungry when I finally ate at 3:00 pm; I went to a local restaurant and got a meal I've probably eaten 30 times in the last two years, and I can honestly say I've never enjoyed it more! My body was really craving a salad, and this was a wedge salad with a 4 oz sirloin, fresh asparagus, and a small serving of rutabagas. Yum, yum! I drink unsweetened tea (I actually LIKE unsweetened tea) and had a cup of black coffee for dessert. It was heavenly!

I work with a consultant at the metabolic research center. Two consultants, actually. And today one of my consultants was really surprised with my results...

She's absolutely shocked that I can be eating so much fat (and I don't even tell her about the half of it)- and be losing body fat percentage (they track body metrics every WI).

I find this VERY interesting! I've read about the MRC elsewhere on this forum. How long have you been going there? Have you told them you are doing IE? I'm curious as to how they have reacted if you did....

SouthernMaven
03-26-2013, 08:16 PM
But when I reflected on how much I've eaten Monday and Tuesday, I realise it's so much less than I used to eat in my wretched over-eating days.

And don't you think that's the real key to success with IE? I don't know about anyone else here, but one of the things I've enjoyed most is the knowledge that if I'm really craving something but know it's mouth hunger, not true hunger, there's absolutely nothing stopping me from eating it when I AM hungry. And that has dramatically cut down my overall eating.

In the past, when I was still in diet mode, I'd throw my hands up in the air, eat whatever it was I wanted, and start over *tomorrow* or, if it was toward the end of the week, the re-start date would be *Monday.* Of course it was a free-for-all until Monday got here.

Now, the ONLY restriction I place upon myself is that if I want something, I simply have to wait until I'm hungry. That's it. And who eats when they're not hungry? Chronic dieters, that's who.

carolr3639
03-26-2013, 08:28 PM
Now, the ONLY restriction I place upon myself is that if I want something, I simply have to wait until I'm hungry. That's it. And who eats when they're not hungry? Chronic dieters, that's who.So so true.

SouthernMaven
03-27-2013, 10:37 AM
I had previously read some posts under the Beck Diet Solution thread, and I went back and re-read some because I thought it had included some info regarding IE (although not called that). I was in my local library and found a copy of the book and checked it out.

I went to the Table of Contents and found Chapter 3 - How Thin People Think - and went straight to that. It's exactly the same information we've seen in many other places, reinforcing the fact that one needs to "eat like a thin person." I flipped through the rest of the book but when I saw pages and pages of what appeared to be workbook-like exercises, I decided I'd gotten out of the book all that it had to offer for me. It appears that it's an approach that is attempting to train people on how to be successful on a diet and to maintain their weight - all well and good, but I've done my last diet, so I don't think there's much else in the book applicable to my own personal situation. I can see how it might be helpful to others, however - particularly those who still believe they must *diet* in order to lose weight.

PreciousMissy
03-27-2013, 11:16 AM
Southernmaven and lunarsongbird, I had the same thoughts last night about eating when you're not hungry when dieting. All the diets I've been on required me to eat so much of this, so little of that, and all at scheduled times...whether I was hungry or not.

I wasn't having a very hungry day yesterday and around 7:30 my boyfriend said to me "Did you eat dinner? Usually you've eaten by now." He's right, my dinner was always scheduled for 6:30. He eats dinner when he's hungry and, here's the shocker, he's thin! lol. I told him that I simply was not hungry. It's a great feeling, a feeling of control over food.

carolr3639
03-27-2013, 01:09 PM
For lunch today I had a beef, cabbage casserole and some fruit. I tried a couple bites of cheese cake but that didn't taste good and then a couple bites of ice cream but that didn't taste that good eithter. Where did my sweet tooth go? ha

lunarsongbird
03-27-2013, 01:22 PM
So yesterday I participated in something that would make any person trying to lose weight nervous....
A dishcrawl.
"It’s an eat and meet event. Four restaurants in one night, with a small groups of your yet-to-be-discovered closest foodie friends."

I prepared with extra exercise (30 minutes on the elliptical before I headed out), but I was nervous. You show up to these restaurants...and have no idea what you are getting.

I went with a number of people from my meetup group who have noticed my weight loss (Hooray)- so we talked quite a bit about it. There is another gal in the group who is also trying to lose weight. We started at the same time. She eats salads with 3 oz of meat , lentils and solely lemon juice as a dressing on salad...every night. And she gets up at 4:45 AM for a women's bootcamp.

She has lost 15 pounds. I have lost 30- eating butter, beer and bacon.
So interesting. Some of it might be hormones or other health issues, I'm not sure, but I think a lot of it has to do with her thought process.

First Restaurant- Corned beef and cabbage; bangers and mash; irish bread pudding. Corned beef was delicious. Irish bread pudding- magnificient. Banger- not worth it- didn't eat it. No mash.

Second Restaurant- Cheddar Cheese Beer Soup. Pretty good. Chips- tasted like old fryer oil. Slider- my friend and I both decided tasted/smelled slightly rancid. I ate only the soup.

Third Restaurant- Fried sausage. Not interested. Gumbo. Too spicy. Not interested.

Fourth- Frozen yogurt. Ate until the last bite wasn't as good as the prior.

I felt AH-MAZING. I did not eat foods I didn't like. Why would I? If I was still hungry....I could go home and eat something I REALLY wanted. But here is what was a bit eye-opening for me, because my friend considered this a "cheat day" on her diet....she ate everything! EVEN the beef we both decided tasted bad (I literally took it out of my mouth. It wasn't even worth swallowing one bite.) An interesting mentality, indeed.

And goodness knows...if I was on a traditional diet- I would have eaten everything too. But instead- I walked away empowered and with greater respect for myself and my psyche. I deserve better then rancid hamburger.

Oh- and I was down today. 211.8. Officially a 30 pound loss.

SouthernMaven
03-27-2013, 04:25 PM
For lunch today I had a beef, cabbage casserole and some fruit. I tried a couple bites of cheese cake but that didn't taste good and then a couple bites of ice cream but that didn't taste that good eithter. Where did my sweet tooth go? ha

I have had very few sweets since starting IE, which isn't surprising, as I'm not a big sweets eater anyway. Did you make the casserole? Sounds delicious!

SouthernMaven
03-27-2013, 04:34 PM
There is another gal in the group who is also trying to lose weight. We started at the same time. She eats salads with 3 oz of meat , lentils and solely lemon juice as a dressing on salad...every night.

Yuck.

And she gets up at 4:45 AM for a women's bootcamp.

Double-yuck.

She has lost 15 pounds. I have lost 30- eating butter, beer and bacon.

I chuckled out loud when I read this!

So interesting. Some of it might be hormones or other health issues, I'm not sure, but I think a lot of it has to do with her thought process.

Somewhere in my reading about IE, I've seen this addressed. Can't remember where exactly, but it was something about the guilt that we often wrap ourselves in over what we eat can actually have an affect on our ability to lose weight. It might have been the Tribole/Resch book, I don't know.


I felt AH-MAZING. I did not eat foods I didn't like. Why would I? If I was still hungry....I could go home and eat something I REALLY wanted. But here is what was a bit eye-opening for me, because my friend considered this a "cheat day" on her diet....she ate everything! EVEN the beef we both decided tasted bad (I literally took it out of my mouth. It wasn't even worth swallowing one bite.) An interesting mentality, indeed.

And goodness knows...if I was on a traditional diet- I would have eaten everything too. But instead- I walked away empowered and with greater respect for myself and my psyche. I deserve better then rancid hamburger.

I loved reading about your options, and how you chose to eat ONLY what you truly wanted. Totally get the part about the "cheat day" mentality, as I have done the same thing. And then just felt terrible because I knew I'd wasted a lot of calories on food I would not have eaten otherwise.

Have you talked to your friend about IE? She may not yet be able to accept it, though.

Oh- and I was down today. 211.8. Officially a 30 pound loss.

Congratulations!

SouthernMaven
03-27-2013, 04:57 PM
So because I ate so late in the day yesterday, and had a very filling meal, I felt no need for breakfast at all...not even yogurt, which I sometimes eat in the morning.

But about 1:00 I was definitely ready to eat, so I headed out on my errands and then stopped at my FAVORITE seafood restaurant, a little hole in the wall that specializes in Cajun fare. It had been 22 hours since I last ate, and it was definitely hunger I was experiencing. I love their fried oysters but they are SO heavy. Debated over and over in my head if I wanted their small fried oyster po-boy (was certainly hungry enough to eat it) but the thought of that breading on the oysters PLUS the bread it is served on was just too much. That, and I would have just HAD to get the red beans and rice for my side :T

So at the last minute I decided on the small seafood gumbo without rice (lunarsongbird, it is VERY spicy!) and a small side salad - no cucumber - with honey mustard dressing. I was soooo hungry that I was pretty sure it would not fill me up, but that's all I ordered to begin with. I ate both things, leaving just a bit of each, but no way was I near satiety. So then I ordered a cajun eggroll, which is exactly as described - eggroll with seafood filling. They're not really very big but it was just enough to get me to comfortable. My usual lunch there is the gumbo and eggroll (no salad) but I've really been craving salads lately. In the past I've been nowhere near as hungry when I go in there as I was today. And like yesterday, the meal tasted better than ever.

Had to go grocery shopping after that, and I felt so good I was practically skipping down the aisle. You know that feeling when your body just feels light? That's how I felt today, even after eating. Because I'd eaten just enough.

At the grocery store I had little to get, but I did pick up a box of cereal. Now I RARELY eat cereal, but every once in a while I get in the mood for it. I think it's my body telling me to get some milk in me, as I don't drink milk at all. My husband eats a lot of it, but I don't care for his cereal (Cracklin Oat Bran). Waaaayyy too sweet for me. If I get hungry this evening that's what I'll eat. If not, I'll eat it tomorrow - or whenever!

carolr3639
03-27-2013, 05:46 PM
Did you make the casserole? Yes I did.

lunarsongbird
03-28-2013, 01:40 PM
So I had a weird experience yesterday. At a big speakers panel at work, I had a few bites of blue cheese. Oh my goodness....decadent and wonderful. My third bite? Tasted not so great. (Politely take it out of my mouth) Hmmm....was it just that piece? Try another piece...same thing.

Interesting, no? Could my body be telling me that quickly that it didn't want anymore cheese?

carolr3639
03-28-2013, 02:09 PM
Could my body be telling me that quickly that it didn't want anymore cheese?Sure could.

lunarsongbird
03-28-2013, 02:55 PM
That is AMAZING! I also can't believe how fast IE can begin to work!
I am approaching my first TOM on IE, which will be interesting. I can already tell I'm a bit hungrier...so I'm listening to that.

Last night I had a single cup of popcorn with butter- and it was great. A SINGLE CUP! I loved it! It tasted wonderful. And today I left two cornichons (little tiny pickles) on my plate at lunch!

IE is so amazing it's hard to not "preach" at everyone.

AlmostMe
03-28-2013, 03:03 PM
Today I've been really hungry. I had a delicious croissant for breakfast...no probs. Then I did spin class then I went to pick up my son early from school for a class easter egg hunt. It was FREEEEZING...but they all had a good time. Then we all went to McD's for lunch. I was super excited to see they had a grilled chicken salad on the menu (I didn't think I could face regular McD food) and I was starving so I ordered a small order of fries, too. Sadly the chicken on the salad was DISGUSTING. It tasted not too bad but the texture was just...bizarre, wrong. I picked off all the chicken and threw some of the fries on it, and it was kinda good. The salad wasn't great - but I love leafy greens so much I was quite happy eating it -it's hard to mess up lettuce!

On a previous diet I might have counted the calories and eaten the vile chicken. Now I find it hard to eat food I don't like. I'm not a picky eater in terms of what I'll eat, but I'm becoming a picky eater in terms of quality.

carolr3639
03-28-2013, 03:31 PM
IE is so amazing it's hard to not "preach" at everyone.I know the feeling.

carolr3639
03-28-2013, 03:33 PM
Now I find it hard to eat food I don't like.Me, too. But sometimes when you are at someone's house you might have to.

PreciousMissy
03-28-2013, 05:54 PM
So I had a weird experience yesterday. At a big speakers panel at work, I had a few bites of blue cheese. Oh my goodness....decadent and wonderful. My third bite? Tasted not so great. (Politely take it out of my mouth) Hmmm....was it just that piece? Try another piece...same thing.

Interesting, no? Could my body be telling me that quickly that it didn't want anymore cheese?

I've been reading a book called Naturally Thin and the author refers to that as the point of diminishing returns. She says why keep eating one particular item if each bite wasn't as good as the last one (or something to that effect, haha). That's the theory I'm trying to employ when I have something decadent.

lunarsongbird
03-28-2013, 06:41 PM
Perfect! That's EXACTLY what it is... diminishing returns. I've been wanting to read Naturally Thin! Do you like it? Is it worth buying? I need to finish Thing for Life and the Tribole and Resch book first.

PreciousMissy
03-28-2013, 06:51 PM
You know, I'm not sure if I like it or not. I've run across a few suggestions that I think are ridiculous, but then again, I've learned some good tips, like the diminishing returns.

As far as critiquing the actual writing...it's a really drawn out read.

SouthernMaven
03-28-2013, 08:57 PM
Been having computer problems so am on my iPad. Just saying hello to everyone. Lunarsongbird, I enjoyed reading your hunger thread. VERY interesting topic!

PreciousMissy
03-29-2013, 10:28 AM
Good morning everyone!

I went out with a friend for dinner last night. It was tricky trying to make sure I was hungry when I went...it took some real planning. I was super hungry at breakfast yesterday morning since I hadn't eaten since lunch the day before, so I ate part of what I had planned for lunch, which hit the spot! Later in the afternoon I was hungry again so I finished off lunch and what I had brought for my afternoon snack. Again, hunger satiated.

When we went to dinner I felt a little hungry. So little that I probably would have normally ignored it until it became true hunger or gone away. I ordered and ate until I was full, but I stopped.

This is when I had an epiphany.

My friend asked why I wasn't eating. Because I'm full. She had this quizzical look on her face as if she really didn't understand.

I noticed while she was eating her meal she did the "I'm so full I'm going to burst" sigh, but she kept eating!

I know at some point in our lives we've all done it, but why? Why do people feel the need to clear their plates when they're full? Why keep eating?

lunarsongbird
03-29-2013, 10:30 AM
Been having computer problems so am on my iPad. Just saying hello to everyone. Lunarsongbird, I enjoyed reading your hunger thread. VERY interesting topic!

I thought it was fascinating as well! It seemed as if the majority of people still trying to lose weight feared hunger- and those who were nearing goal no longer worried about it.

Interesting, no?

I'm excited to be coming up on my first month where I can do IE. I'm sure it works, but the proof is in the pudding, right?
(Why do people say that? Also...we all know that we can totally eat pudding if we want.)

Oh...what an appropriate phrase for us! The phrase originated as "the proof of the pudding is in the eating." It means that the true value or quality of something can only be judged when it's put to use.

I LOVE IT! April is going to be the month of pudding for me! Pudding month!

carolr3639
03-29-2013, 10:45 AM
I know at some point in our lives we've all done it, but why? Why do people feel the need to clear their plates when they're full? Why keep eating?I really don't know the answer to this but it happens to me when I get too hungry..........starving is what I call it.

carolr3639
03-29-2013, 10:54 AM
I was thin from the time I was 12 (I had a couple years of chubbiness at 10 and 11) until after my 6th child. I had a little trouble after pregnanices but my weight always came down before the next baby. After my 4th child, I was off and on prednisone which always made me gain weight. At the end of my 6th pregnancy, I was into fasting. That is when my problem escalated. When my tenth child was about 17, I learned about IE. I had known a little bit about it before that but not much. I read The Overfed Head and lost 40 lb in the next couple years. I thought I had it figured out but then started to slowly gain again. Now I have lost a little of that gain but still don't quite get it. I think I should be able to get to my early mother hood weight which would still be about another 30lb loss.

lunarsongbird
03-29-2013, 11:26 AM
I know at some point in our lives we've all done it, but why? Why do people feel the need to clear their plates when they're full? Why keep eating?

Gosh that's a good question.
This article suggests that it's ghrelin.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091228090539.htm
But it still doesn't really say WHY...why does the ghrelin tell people to continue to eat? And is it really ghrelin? Or just mindless eating?

:: shrugs ::

But didn't it feel absolutely empowering for you to stop eating when you were full?!

SouthernMaven
03-29-2013, 11:52 AM
Ah, back on my desktop....

Had a little slip last night - I really, REALLY wanted something salty, and I REALLY wanted to eat something while watching a show I had taped. So I made a conscious decision to eat in front of the TV, and I ate a small bowl of potato sticks. But I was able to stop at just that one bowl - as I wrote elsewhere, normally that would have meant me finishing most of the box!

Today, I've been up since 6:00 am; it's now almost noon and I have yet to eat. Even though I am hungry, I'm waiting until later, as I plan to only eat once today. It's Good Friday, and even though fasting for me is no longer required (I'm over 59), I do it anyway. Fasting in this sense is one big meal and two small meals, but I'll just eat the one big meal and be done with it. Just something I've always done in the practice of my religion.


I know at some point in our lives we've all done it, but why? Why do people feel the need to clear their plates when they're full? Why keep eating?

I've always been guilty of this in restaurants! Especially if it's a special occasion (anniversary, birthday, etc). I'm not a big fan of taking food home, as I rarely eat it, but now I'm eating so much less that it's going to sit there. IF I think I'll eat it later (like steak from Longhorn) I'll have them package it up, but otherwise it just goes back to the kitchen. I do think that so many people think it's okay to overeat in a restaurant - like it's part of the experience, or something. Perhaps that is what was going on with your friend.

I was thin from the time I was 12 (I had a couple years of chubbiness at 10 and 11) until after my 6th child. I had a little trouble after pregnanices but my weight always came down before the next baby. After my 4th child, I was off and on prednisone which always made me gain weight. At the end of my 6th pregnancy, I was into fasting. That is when my problem escalated. When my tenth child was about 17, I learned about IE. I had known a little bit about it before that but not much. I read The Overfed Head and lost 40 lb in the next couple years. I thought I had it figured out but then started to slowly gain again. Now I have lost a little of that gain but still don't quite get it. I think I should be able to get to my early mother hood weight which would still be about another 30lb loss.

If I were to go back to my early motherhood weight, I'd weigh 95 lbs! Seriously, that is what I weighed after my second child was born - I was 30. I actually lost weight with my first pregnancy; was a bit overweight when I got pregnant but was so sick I only had a net gain of 7 lbs, so obviously I was a normal weight after delivery. Then I got pregnant 18 months later, wasn't sick, but only gained 20 lbs & lost it all in the hospital, breastfed for 9 months, and was 95 lbs for several years. I gradually put on a little weight but I was underweight at that point so I took it in stride. Actually, I never thought about food for the 20 years between 28-48, when I started gaining the menopausal weight. Wish I could have a do-over there; instead of gracefully accepting the few additional pounds, I once again started dieting - and what a huge mistake that was!

Carol - if you were to go to your early motherhood weight, you might actually be underweight. I mean, I don't know - only you know that for sure. IE says we settle at the weight we are meant to be. At 95 lbs I really was underweight (I'm 5'2") but 110 was a good weight for me - THEN. Now I'm three decades older and 130 is fine, and it is what my doctor has recommended. Last time I weighed I was 149, so I can be very happy with a 20 lb weight loss. If I go lower, great. But I think if I continue IE I'll settle in around that number.

AlmostMe
03-29-2013, 05:21 PM
Ohhh...I had a slip up tonight as well!! But looking at what I ate, it wasn't really so bad. I didn't get stuffed. But I ate more than I needed to and past satisfying my hunger. I don't get too upset about one slip-up. It's more the slippery path to generally overeating.

SouthernMaven
03-29-2013, 05:53 PM
So, my one meal today was....

A piece of blackened tilapia, a baked potato, and a green salad. Also ate one biscuit (and left the other one - hooray!). I also did something I rarely do when eating out - I ordered dessert. It was a absolutely decadent piece of cheesecake with strawberry topping. I did leave about 25% of it, and that was hard to do, even though I was quite full....more full than I usually am when I finish a meal these days...because it was SO delicious! I had a cup of black coffee with it and then sat there and finished my coffee, just enjoying the whole ambiance of the meal and the restaurant. I was very satisfied after eating - the kind of satisfied that stays with you long after the meal is over.

It was an extremely gratifying experience!

SouthernMaven
03-29-2013, 05:59 PM
Ohhh...I had a slip up tonight as well!! But looking at what I ate, it wasn't really so bad. I didn't get stuffed. But I ate more than I needed to and past satisfying my hunger. I don't get too upset about one slip-up. It's more the slippery path to generally overeating.

Exactly.

It's still a real process for me, but the difference now is that if I mess up, I am able to stop myself. In the past the Last Supper mentality always kicked in, and I would basically binge, telling myself I'd start over tomorrow (or Monday). Looking back, I realize how much damage I did to myself with that constant behavior.