Ideal Protein Diet - My COACH told me to CHEAT to lose...




Lose2Win
01-24-2013, 09:08 PM
Interesting day today....at WI I lost a lower amount of 1 and 1/2 pounds....the same loss as last week. So, my coach says that I should definitely be losing more than that, and that I need to "shake things up a little bit ". She says that she has many clients who will eat an off meal if their weight loss starts to slow, and that it has worked every time. She says it won't stop ketosis, and even told me what to have. She suggested this weekend that I substitute one of my IP dinners for: 2 soft chicken tacos, with no cheese, and that I only eat one of the tortillas, plus a handful of chips with salsa and guacamole. She says to then get right back on plan. The last client she told to do this lost 5 pounds the next weigh in, and has been losing steadily since.....hmmmmm. Also, she said if this didn't work, that the next "trick" would be to take away the restricted foods two or three times a week. I guess I didn't think it was to the point that anything needed to necessarily be fixed. Would love your thoughts....


IP43
01-24-2013, 09:14 PM
I posted the link from Dr. Tran on what to do if you slip up one day, and it seems like one day isn't going to be enough to do too much damage. I wouldn't take this as a free card to cheat, but here's the info on what to do if you slip up one day.
I don't know if your coach's advice is good or bad. I know some people may need to do something to shake things up. My only word of caution, from someone who "fell off the wagon" is that once you start having "just a little cheat" it really is hard to get back 100% OP.

How to Handle a slip up:
http://www.trantiendiet.com/site/spip.php?article254

psjones
01-24-2013, 10:08 PM
I posted the link from Dr. Tran on what to do if you slip up one day, and it seems like one day isn't going to be enough to do too much damage. I wouldn't take this as a free card to cheat, but here's the info on what to do if you slip up one day.
I don't know if your coach's advice is good or bad. I know some people may need to do something to shake things up. My only word of caution, from someone who "fell off the wagon" is that once you start having "just a little cheat" it really is hard to get back 100% OP.

How to Handle a slip up:
http://www.trantiendiet.com/site/spip.php?article254

That is for P4 - Maintenance.


Dinie89
01-24-2013, 10:12 PM
My gf goes to a dif coach then me her coach told her to cheat once a week -- I don't think a cheat day is the best answer

nolegirl150
01-24-2013, 10:31 PM
I also would be hesitant to do a cheat meal in case it is hard to get back on the wagon. When my losses have stalled I have had luck mixing up how many restricteds I have per week. When I first started, I only had about 1 per week, sometimes 0. When my loss stalled my coach told me to have 1 daily. My weight loss started again! Then when I stalled again, I reduced them to a few times a week, then down to 0 for a couple of weeks. Things were back on track and this is my go-to plan if I stall again (play with the amount of restricteds I have/week). She also said that she had a client once do 2 restricteds per day to get things going again because the client wasn't having luck with other methods. To me, I think it would be best to mix things up that are on the plan before doing a cheat day.

I'm guessing you may have already tried other things to get the loss going again, but in case you haven't there are a few other things I find helpful.

1. Make sure you're getting plenty of water and more than the required amount listed on the IP sheet. I usually drink around 100 oz per day and definitely notice a stall in losses if I'm not drinking enough. Also be sure you're drinking it throughout the day rather than most of it all at once.

2. Make it a priority to get enough sleep. If I'm not getting a full night's rest I notice a slow down in weight loss. Maybe it is a coincidence but I really believe it's important.

3. Make sure you're eating throughout the day fairly regularly. There was a period of time that I was so busy that I would have a shake for breakfast, a shake for lunch, snack, and then my meat and ALL 4 cups of veggies for dinner. It didn't seem to affect me at first but eventually I stalled. I went back to the schedule that IP recommends by having 2 cups of veggies at lunch and 2 at dinner and it helped. Doing 4 at dinner isn't technically on plan but my coach said it wasn't an issue because I wasn't eating more than I was supposed to. Anyways, once I made sure I ate regularly throughout the day my losses picked up again.

Obviously some of this is speculation because I can't really give you a true cause-effect relationship because weight loss/stalls are more complex than this. I also can't control other factors or identify the one true factor that helped. I'm just sharing what seems to have worked for me.

Good luck! It'll pick up again; just takes times. Our bodies won't always consistently lose and can fight the losses at times too. Mixing things up is a good suggestion but I would be hesitant to do a cheat meal myself. I'd rather try some other things that are on plan or closer to the plan. Do what you think is best for you though!

JohnP
01-24-2013, 10:55 PM
I'm not going to type this out again but I would suggest you read this post.
(http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/4597526-post15.html)

The reason your coach says many clients lose after a cheat is because water is retained for many reasons and women have thier own special reasons we men don't enjoy ... but a big reason is stress. You eat a cheat meal, you relax and your body relaxes and you drop the water.

That said - of course a cheat meal will kick you out of ketosis if you ingest enough carbs. On the other hand ketosis doesn't really matter for fat loss.

Personally, if I was paying $$$$ to follow the IP program, I would stick with the protocol and not cheat. Besides - I care about fat loss - not weight loss.

You may also benefit from reading this article. (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/of-whooshes-and-squishy-fat.html)

scorbett1103
01-24-2013, 10:59 PM
Some coaches seriously make me want to bang my head against the wall.

For one, unless you are actually STALLED (as in, zero weight loss or inches lost for several WEEKS), you are going to have higher and lower weeks. A loss of 1.5lbs is absolutely acceptable, even for a few weeks in a row. How many inches have you lost in the same amount of time? That is as important as the scale numbers. IP has ELIMINATED the marketing that mentions losing 3-5lbs per week, because that is an unrealistic and skewed average for most people. You should NOT expect to lose that much every week, and neither should your coach expect it from you.

Secondly, unless you are crazy carb sensitive, removing restricted items isn't going to do a darn thing. It might actually throw you into a REAL stall. There are absolutely people for whom that TINY bit of difference in carbs actually makes a difference - but they are the people who also see a difference when they eat higher carb veggies versus lower carb ones - not just with the IP products.

Third, your coach should be looking at a hundred other things LOOONG before they dare to mention a cheat day. Do you eat almost exclusively lowest fat meats? Some people find that they get a "bump" in their losses just from eating a steak or higher fat/calorie cut of meat once or twice a week. Also make sure you are getting your salt in and drinking all of your water. Did your coach consider water retention before telling you to eat a taco? Where does your monthly cycle fall in all of this? Have you been ill/stressed/injured recently? There are SO many other factors that might reduce your losses by a little.

The discipline of this diet does actually matter. It really burns my buns when coaches rewrite the program for whatever reason.

chicagoboiler
01-24-2013, 11:48 PM
Some coaches seriously make me want to bang my head against the wall.

For one, unless you are actually STALLED (as in, zero weight loss or inches lost for several WEEKS), you are going to have higher and lower weeks. A loss of 1.5lbs is absolutely acceptable, even for a few weeks in a row. How many inches have you lost in the same amount of time? That is as important as the scale numbers. IP has ELIMINATED the marketing that mentions losing 3-5lbs per week, because that is an unrealistic and skewed average for most people. You should NOT expect to lose that much every week, and neither should your coach expect it from you.

Secondly, unless you are crazy carb sensitive, removing restricted items isn't going to do a darn thing. It might actually throw you into a REAL stall. There are absolutely people for whom that TINY bit of difference in carbs actually makes a difference - but they are the people who also see a difference when they eat higher carb veggies versus lower carb ones - not just with the IP products.

Third, your coach should be looking at a hundred other things LOOONG before they dare to mention a cheat day. Do you eat almost exclusively lowest fat meats? Some people find that they get a "bump" in their losses just from eating a steak or higher fat/calorie cut of meat once or twice a week. Also make sure you are getting your salt in and drinking all of your water. Did your coach consider water retention before telling you to eat a taco? Where does your monthly cycle fall in all of this? Have you been ill/stressed/injured recently? There are SO many other factors that might reduce your losses by a little.

The discipline of this diet does actually matter. It really burns my buns when coaches rewrite the program for whatever reason.

Scorbett is completely right about this. She knows a lot of the chemistry behind things and health...but any lay person could also see that your coach is not the smartest to offer this up. You're not stalled, you had a lower week, but still had a good loss. There's also, like Scorbett said, a bunch of other factors that could be the cause for lower than you've had. Don't do the cheat day.

foreveryoung
01-25-2013, 12:39 AM
I don't know if it is right or wrong to cheat just to shake things up - this diet is so expensive, it is so hard to get back on track, been there done that, and regretted it - I always say cheating is a choice because the one who suffers on getting back on it is the cheater.

Lose2Win
01-25-2013, 01:18 AM
Thanks so much to all of you for your replies....love the feedback. I'll try to answer all the questions here.

I have been 100% OP since day 1 and plan on staying that way, not a single lick, bite, or chew of anything ever, over the course of numerous celebrations, vacations, etc. I was pretty surprised at what she was suggesting myself, and was actually defending my weight loss to her (which I've had to do before), but she insisted something "must be wrong" since my loss was lower than 3 pounds...geez.

My water intake is great, my meals are low fat and perfectly measured and spaced out, my salt is measured, my sleep is uninterrupted and at least seven hours....I've not been I'll or injured, TOM is normal and not due for another week.

I've been very happy with my 52.5 pound weight loss and 28 inches gone forever :)

If anything, I may try the steak thing...I am guilty of eating the same foods over and over with no variety to speak of.

You are all like support, understanding, teaching, and motivation in my pocket...or at my fingertips rather. :hug:

scorbett1103
01-25-2013, 01:56 AM
Thanks so much to all of you for your replies....love the feedback. I'll try to answer all the questions here.

I have been 100% OP since day 1 and plan on staying that way, not a single lick, bite, or chew of anything ever, over the course of numerous celebrations, vacations, etc. I was pretty surprised at what she was suggesting myself, and was actually defending my weight loss to her (which I've had to do before), but she insisted something "must be wrong" since my loss was lower than 3 pounds...geez.

My water intake is great, my meals are low fat and perfectly measured and spaced out, my salt is measured, my sleep is uninterrupted and at least seven hours....I've not been I'll or injured, TOM is normal and not due for another week.

I've been very happy with my 52.5 pound weight loss and 28 inches gone forever :)

If anything, I may try the steak thing...I am guilty of eating the same foods over and over with no variety to speak of.

You are all like support, understanding, teaching, and motivation in my pocket...or at my fingertips rather. :hug:

I think you've got the right instincts, especially if she's just looking for something to be wrong because the scale didn't show 3lbs gone. Sounds like you are working the plan for everything it's worth, and it seems to be working fantastically for you - 52.5lbs is awesome!

LosingLawyer
01-25-2013, 02:24 AM
You've lost 53 pounds in 16 weeks. Your coach is crazy. Keep doing what you're doing and the weight will come off.

amandie
01-25-2013, 02:33 AM
Tell your coach to do the math... 52.5 or 53lbs in 16 weeks equals an average of just over 3lbs a week. I'd say you are doing awesome.

lisa32989
01-25-2013, 08:01 AM
Tell your coach to do the math... 52.5 or 53lbs in 16 weeks equals an average of just over 3lbs a week. I'd say you are doing awesome.

This!
And I'm with Scorbett. So many coaches make me :rolleyes:
EVEN if your coach IS looking at the old 3-5 lbs/week claim, it was an AVERAGE. Does your coach not understand math?
Not everyone loses this much every week but this plan is STILL FASTER than any other plan I've done (including Atkins over the long-term)

I'm averaging over 2 lbs/week and nobody has any prob with my losses.
There are other factors such as age, health conditions, amt of stress, etc.

Keep up the great work & don't listen to the crazy. Sometimes I think they want to extend the diet for more $$$

Fishette
01-25-2013, 08:13 AM
Eat a steak ... It is still OP and won't throw you out of ketosis like the Mexican food will, but has enough fat to let your body know there is no famine. Lots of folks have reported that a steak works for them.

bubbleblower
01-25-2013, 09:11 AM
Eat a steak ... It is still OP and won't throw you out of ketosis like the Mexican food will, but has enough fat to let your body know there is no famine. Lots of folks have reported that a steak works for them.

+1

I'm also with Scorbett, lisa, and amandie. Your coach is way off base. Your results are outstanding! Keep it up!!

Lolo70
01-25-2013, 09:58 AM
There must be some instruction from corporate to absolutely push people to a race to the bottom. This is wrong. Even a 1 lb loss a week is perfect. It gives your body time to adjust.

New Englander
01-25-2013, 10:07 AM
I posted the link from Dr. Tran on what to do if you slip up one day, and it seems like one day isn't going to be enough to do too much damage. I wouldn't take this as a free card to cheat, but here's the info on what to do if you slip up one day.
I don't know if your coach's advice is good or bad. I know some people may need to do something to shake things up. My only word of caution, from someone who "fell off the wagon" is that once you start having "just a little cheat" it really is hard to get back 100% OP.

How to Handle a slip up:
http://www.trantiendiet.com/site/spip.php?article254

Was the Doctor talking about a little slip while in maintenance or Phase 1? What you posted above is his response to a slip for maintenance and I don't know if it's also for P1. From what I've learned and read over the time I've been involved with IP I believe it's not for p1.

I know that folks move to P3 (short term) to "shake things up". There are many folks who have slow loses or no loses. I've never heard a person "cheating" to kick start it again. Not saying it doesn't work...just never read about it being the best remedy.

Good luck!

EDIT: I went back and read the link: THAT IS FOR MAINTENANCE and not P1!!! (Don't mean to YELL..just want to make sure this is seen...)

New Englander
01-25-2013, 10:10 AM
That is for P4 - Maintenance.

Oh, it's already been told that it's for P4!!! :)

Chloe222
01-25-2013, 10:49 AM
I'm not going to type this out again but I would suggest you read this post.
(http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/4597526-post15.html)

The reason your coach says many clients lose after a cheat is because water is retained for many reasons and women have thier own special reasons we men don't enjoy ... but a big reason is stress. You eat a cheat meal, you relax and your body relaxes and you drop the water.

That said - of course a cheat meal will kick you out of ketosis if you ingest enough carbs. On the other hand ketosis doesn't really matter for fat loss.

Personally, if I was paying $$$$ to follow the IP program, I would stick with the protocol and not cheat. Besides - I care about fat loss - not weight loss.

You may also benefit from reading this article. (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/of-whooshes-and-squishy-fat.html)
John,
I LOVE your posts. They are rich in valuable information and thought provoking references. Thank you for the time you give us. :hug::hug::hug:


The discipline of this diet does actually matter. It really burns my buns when coaches rewrite the program for whatever reason.

I agree with Scorbett. Stick with the tried and true protocol and if you need to shake it up, do it within the program. For example, I'll occasionally eat eggs with veggies for dinner and almost always see a weight loss in the next day or two. Why? Who knows, as mentioned above, so many variables involved in weight loss.

LexiChanel1
01-25-2013, 11:23 AM
Hi everyone,

My name is Lexi, I am 32 years old. I have been on IP for 8 weeks in my own, no coach. I bought the products and supplements online, many thanks to all of you on ths website. I have been reading allot of your posts and they have helped me tremendously I have recently run into a major issue. I have been losing tons of hair this past week, of which i didnt have allot of to begin with. I am really depressed about this. My starting weight was 154lbs, i am down to 131 lbs, and in Phase I. I want to lose 10 more lbs due to the fact that I am only 5 foot 2 inches. My dilemma is, should i continue to do Phase I even though im losing hair, will I lose more? I have my brothers wedding in a month and i dint want to be balding......or do I go to Phase 2?
Or do I just start eating a regular 1200 calorie diet and exercise program, will I gain weight back if I start my own diet and exercise program from Phase I. I am pretty confused and upset. I knew this diet was a really bad idea and now i know why My body has not reacted well to this from the beginning.
Please help......

infoplease
01-25-2013, 11:34 AM
Hi everyone,

My name is Lexi, I am 32 years old. I have been on IP for 8 weeks in my own, no coach. I bought the products and supplements online, many thanks to all of you on ths website. I have been reading allot of your posts and they have helped me tremendously I have recently run into a major issue. I have been losing tons of hair this past week, of which i didnt have allot of to begin with. I am really depressed about this. My starting weight was 154lbs, i am down to 131 lbs, and in Phase I. I want to lose 10 more lbs due to the fact that I am only 5 foot 2 inches. My dilemma is, should i continue to do Phase I even though im losing hair, will I lose more? I have my brothers wedding in a month and i dint want to be balding......or do I go to Phase 2?
Or do I just start eating a regular 1200 calorie diet and exercise program, will I gain weight back if I start my own diet and exercise program from Phase I. I am pretty confused and upset. I knew this diet was a really bad idea and now i know why My body has not reacted well to this from the beginning.
Please help......

Hair loss can be a side effect of dieting--happened to me on Nutrisystem years ago and somewhat on IP. Be absolutely sure you are getting 8 oz of protein at dinner and getting in all the packets. Be absolutely sure you are taking the IP vitamins. Now, search this board for "hair loss" and you will come up with the threads that recommend taking biotin and some other products. Consider getting your thyroid checked. If you don't want to deal with it, be sure to phase off properly. Consider doing P4 at a 1200 calorie level. Also, consider getting your thyroid checked. The hair typically comes back healthier. Hopefully the more tech savvy will provide you with the links to those threads.

LexiChanel1
01-25-2013, 11:48 AM
Thank you for your reply:) I already read the thread on hair loss. Im just not so sure I should continue Phase I if im losing lots of hair:( Ive been losing consistently and eating everything and taking supplements, but I am really concerned about my hair;( I should probably Phase off but I am nt prepared to gain weight back.:(

lisa32989
01-25-2013, 12:14 PM
Thank you for your reply:) I already read the thread on hair loss. Im just not so sure I should continue Phase I if im losing lots of hair:( Ive been losing consistently and eating everything and taking supplements, but I am really concerned about my hair;( I should probably Phase off but I am nt prepared to gain weight back.:(
Have you thought about getting an IP coach?
Some are at Dr offices and the doc can give input into what is going on

LexiChanel1
01-25-2013, 12:42 PM
I had one in the beginning and he sucked..... it was a man and the WI's were suoer awkward. The next center is 60 miles away. I have three kids under 5:(

New Englander
01-25-2013, 01:06 PM
Hi everyone,

My name is Lexi, I am 32 years old. I have been on IP for 8 weeks in my own, no coach. I bought the products and supplements online, many thanks to all of you on ths website. I have been reading allot of your posts and they have helped me tremendously I have recently run into a major issue. I have been losing tons of hair this past week, of which i didnt have allot of to begin with. I am really depressed about this. My starting weight was 154lbs, i am down to 131 lbs, and in Phase I. I want to lose 10 more lbs due to the fact that I am only 5 foot 2 inches. My dilemma is, should i continue to do Phase I even though im losing hair, will I lose more? I have my brothers wedding in a month and i dint want to be balding......or do I go to Phase 2?
Or do I just start eating a regular 1200 calorie diet and exercise program, will I gain weight back if I start my own diet and exercise program from Phase I. I am pretty confused and upset. I knew this diet was a really bad idea and now i know why My body has not reacted well to this from the beginning.
Please help......

You're losing hair due to rapid weight loss. All weight loss programs cause this (when a person loses weight quickly). Most likely it will continue to come out until you go into maintaining your weight. If you phase off now and work on losing the extra 10 pounds by eating mindfully healthy you can probably lose more. After the wedding jump back on and start again. During month three I began to lose hair...never quite bald but a ton was coming out. It's about four inches long where I lost it...

So, if it's super depressing consider stopping. Honestly though I don't recall anyone on here saying they looked bald...maybe just a little thinner. I know with me I noticed it more than anyone...no one even noticed.

New Englander
01-25-2013, 01:09 PM
Here's one thread I found. If it doesn't appear as a link just cut and paste into your browser...:)

http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/241703-so-much-hair-loss.html

LexiChanel1
01-25-2013, 02:56 PM
New Englander,

You are very sweet! Thank you for caring and responding. I have worked so hard to lose this weight. I am scared that if i start my own diet i will gain weight back due to the chemical balance that IP switches the body to. I definitely have to do a low carb diet right? How many carbs a day do you think? You are so nice t have helped me. I had a baby 10 months ago and I was stuck in the 150's. Finally got to the 130's and I dont want to mess it uo beacuse im still carrying allot of weight in my tummy, my waist measures 34inches. So i need to lose still;(

scorbett1103
01-25-2013, 05:28 PM
New Englander,

You are very sweet! Thank you for caring and responding. I have worked so hard to lose this weight. I am scared that if i start my own diet i will gain weight back due to the chemical balance that IP switches the body to. I definitely have to do a low carb diet right? How many carbs a day do you think? You are so nice t have helped me. I had a baby 10 months ago and I was stuck in the 150's. Finally got to the 130's and I dont want to mess it uo beacuse im still carrying allot of weight in my tummy, my waist measures 34inches. So i need to lose still;(

Have you ever had your thyroid checked? I was losing a lot of hair 9 months after my youngest was born (and had bad fatigue, constipation, muscle aches...). Turned out it was hypothyroidism, which also contributed to my difficulty losing weight. I have also had some additional hair loss since starting IP, but I take a Biotin supplement every morning and it has gotten a little better. I don't worry because I know THAT hair loss will grow back :)

As far as switching to a different diet, IP does NOT change your body chemistry or make you unable to follow other diet plans. You just need to phase off properly before switching to a different plan if it has carbs. If it's not working well for you, you may want to talk to your doctor and see if they can hook you up with a dietician - they can help you create a workable diet plan and are usually covered by your insurance.

BeccaGrim
01-25-2013, 05:50 PM
Look, my two cents here (and take it for that I'm still new to this relatively speaking) try eating some fattier protein tonight and then in two days. It'll tell your body there is no reason to worry that you're not getting enough food. Steak. Fattier pork (if you eat it). Try that first.

New Englander
01-25-2013, 06:06 PM
New Englander,

You are very sweet! Thank you for caring and responding. I have worked so hard to lose this weight. I am scared that if i start my own diet i will gain weight back due to the chemical balance that IP switches the body to. I definitely have to do a low carb diet right? How many carbs a day do you think? You are so nice t have helped me. I had a baby 10 months ago and I was stuck in the 150's. Finally got to the 130's and I dont want to mess it uo beacuse im still carrying allot of weight in my tummy, my waist measures 34inches. So i need to lose still;(

Scorbet gave a great response..don't worry..you're going to be just fine. You just have to find your wave and get ready to ride it!