Ideal Protein Diet - Organic Non-Hormones Protein Reference




Tuli
01-17-2013, 10:08 PM
I finally found the reference I knew I saw about the IP protein being of a certain purer quality. I hope this does not start a whole new controversy and commotion. I get no financial or other benefit (other than losing weight like crazy and loving this diet) from IP. I Just wanted to follow up on the original post I got creamed for. True or not, I don't know, but here it is and it sounds convincing to me:

"37. What is the Whey Protein source? Is it from cows, which are not given Bovine Growth Hormones (BGH) and are the cows grass fed/organic?
The milk used in processing our whey isolates comes from cows raised on small European farms, grass fed and with no hormones. We cannot claim “organic” as the process of extracting the isolates precludes this nomenclature. That being said, the person must understand that an “isolate” is just the pure protein fractions of the total whey, these are issued with a “Certificate of Analysis” showing any traces of heavy metals, hormones, pesticides or any other chemical. The lot is
PLACED IN QUARANTINE (i.e. Not even brought into the lab) until we do our own mass spec assay of the product. If our on analysis does not “jive” with the “Certificate of Analysis” from the European company the product is rejected and returned.

http://www.benchmarkmedicalgroup.com/faqs/ideal-protein-weight-loss-faq#24


scorbett1103
01-17-2013, 10:38 PM
I would be leery of this - if for no other reason than this is just another IP clinic, not IP corporate or the manufacturer. They make statements as though they are the creators of the product, which they are not. And you would think that if this info was a corporate-supplied fact, other clinics (particularly those that promote holistic health) would JUMP on anything that sets IP apart as a non-gmo food. But I haven't found a single other clinic that offers up this info.

JohnP
01-18-2013, 01:15 AM
You're not starting any controversy. You're doing research and that is fantastic!

That said - you have to put your research in context - even if it's claims are accurate. From the ingredients I've seen (which I admit is not much) whey isolate is used very little compared to whey concentrate. Whey isolate has been "purified" and whey concentrate has not.

Furthermore, the entire idea that IP would use whey isolate derived from "cows raised on small European farms, grass fed and with no hormones" sounds like a bunch of malarkey. It may not be, but if IP was so concerned about using the highest quality protein, and concerned about insulin, they would not use whey concentrate at all. Whey concentrate is the cheapest protein powder available and why raises insulin more than any other protein source.

They could use MPI (Milk protein isolate) or egg protein. Better for a number of reasons but significantly more expensive than soy or whey concentrate.

Knowledge is power.


patns
01-18-2013, 01:21 AM
Most of the IP products seem to come from Quebec. It may be true about the "small European farms" with the original clinics in France but I doubt with the Noth American clinics.

I noticed they were made in Quebec because when I ordered IP products from plain protein I had to pay duty on things that had been sent across the border in the oposite direction in the first place.

BeccaGrim
01-19-2013, 09:35 AM
Let me ask you, because I am somewhat ignorant about this, I understand about the growth hormone with the cows (We won't give our kids anything but organic milk for this reason..) but what does it do to adults?

Bellamack
01-19-2013, 10:18 AM
this is such an interesting topic, I was a chemist for 25 yrs and did alot of "government" testing and I am using government as for my own benefit. The fact of the matter is, when I would take in bottled water and test it, it was nothing more than "good" tap water, etc. Now, We do eat local grass fed beef, no hormones and organic milk and veggies when at all possible. The thing with the hormones is that they are hormones and that is what regulates the body and I could go on and on here, but won't. I just want to say that the amount of hormone that one may get in an isolate product would be sooooooooooo minimal, as to not make any difference at all. If you use alternatives, which I do now, just shop for the "isolate" vs concentrate and don't worry about the hormones. Make sure you always wash your veggies super well and Enjoy LIFE!

Tuli
01-19-2013, 10:25 AM
[QUOTE=BeccaGrim;4597169]Let me ask you, because I am somewhat ignorant about this, I understand about the growth hormone with the cows (We won't give our kids anything but organic milk for this reason..) but what does it do to adults?[/QUOTE

Well, I am not claiming to be an expert in this area and I am sure this will start a flurry of objections, but it stands to my logic and reason that any unnecessary drugs, synthetic hormones and antibiotics cannot be good for the human body. There is research linking those hormones to cancer for one. But there are also tremendous vested interests that will tell you that organic food is no better than non organic.

I believe in observing things for myself and listening to my intuition and my body. There is no question that our population is getting less and less healthy and to think that constantly bombarding the body with toxins, chemicals, drugs, etc. (in the food we eat and the air we breath, the cosmetics, household and laundry products, perfumes, air "fresheners" and so on that we constantly use), has no ill effects on our bodies is to my mind just the result of false information and propaganda from industries that make untold billions off these products and would like us to think otherwise.

A client of min told me his old Italian mother used to say: If something does not make sense, follow the money.

That is all just my opinion of course, based on my observations of my own body and other people's bodies and sifting through tons of information in these areas and deciding for myself which source I trust, and which I don't and mostly, what makes sense to me.

lisa32989
01-19-2013, 12:10 PM
Short version:

Additionally, GMO crops that are made to withstand Roundup (soy, corn) have been found to have so many problems they are banned in many European countries. I've done lots of reading. And the whey made from milk from cows given rBGH - again, just do some reading. This has also been banned many places, mostly b/c we DON'T KNOW long term effects. Why take a chance?

I like this quote: follow the money.

I try to stick with as natural and healthy as possible. It took me 8 months after hearing about IP to finally "give in" and decide to do it because of the processed foods used by IP. I decided I'd do it for the short run for long-term health benefit of being a normal weight.

We buy our meat and eggs from small organic farms. We don't drink milk. The whey protein I use (besides IP) is non rBGH. We try as hard as we can to avoid Monsanto soy and corn (impossible when you eat out). We buy all our produce local and organic as much of the year as possible from local farm markets

Everyone should make their own knowledge-based decisions about what is "in" their food or what their food is made of.

Tuli
01-19-2013, 12:40 PM
I couldn't agree with you more Lisa. Right on!

JohnP
01-19-2013, 01:29 PM
If I was concerned about hormones and following the alternative protocol I would buy my protein from True Protein. (http://www.truenutrition.com/c-54-proteins.aspx)

You can get all kinds of protein - milk isolate to grass fed whey.

But there are also tremendous vested interests that will tell you that organic food is no better than non organic.

I believe in observing things for myself and listening to my intuition and my body.

Organic vs non organic is an interesting topic but most people have no idea what organic actually means. The best example of this is that for some reason people seem to think that organic means no pesticides when in fact the only thing organic means is not synthetic. Natural chemicals can be just as unhealthy as synthetic ones and synthetic chemicals can be benign to your health. Thus, one being better than another for your health is highly dependant on the source and methods used at the source be it "organic" or not.

As for belief via observation ... well I'll just say that is one way to do it. Personally I'm very thankful for science.

maezy1
01-19-2013, 01:34 PM
TULI I think the thing that convinced me last time was when SUzanna from 3FC asked IP to verify the info you have and they wouldn't say it was true. We buy local and buy fresh as much as we can as well. Don't you wish more people were concerned with this?

Tuli
01-19-2013, 01:52 PM
TULI I think the thing that convinced me last time was when SUzanna from 3FC asked IP to verify the info you have and they wouldn't say it was true. We buy local and buy fresh as much as we can as well. Don't you wish more people were concerned with this?

Yes, I do wish people became more aware of these issues and start fighting against those who only care about a quick buck. And yes, I also do not think anymore that IP is organic. I just wanted to post the place where I read it. And maybe if enough people wrote to IP they would actually listen.

JohnP
01-19-2013, 02:01 PM
Yes, I do wish people became more aware of these issues and start fighting against those who only care about a quick buck. And yes, I also do not think anymore that IP is organic. I just wanted to post the place where I read it. And maybe if enough people wrote to IP they would actually listen.

IP uses all kinds of non organic substances in their products. The protein is just one aspect. They would have to raise their already expensive product prices if they changed to organic protein sources to maintain the same profit margin.

If you want to follow the IP protocol organically it would be extremely easy to do. You can order from true protein and get organic protein sweetened with stevia. Organic vegtables ... organic oil ... organic meat.

Simple

lisa32989
01-19-2013, 02:26 PM
As for belief via observation ... well I'll just say that is one way to do it. Personally I'm very thankful for science.
However, those of us who understand statistics know that science can be manipulated to show whatever they "want" to show. Large corporations fund most of the "research". Hmmm...follow the money.

Nothing wrong with a bit of observation, as well.

Tuli
01-19-2013, 03:01 PM
However, those of us who understand statistics know that science can be manipulated to show whatever they "want" to show. Large corporations fund most of the "research". Hmmm...follow the money.

Nothing wrong with a bit of observation, as well.

Hear hear! Besides, just because it's touted as scientific, doesn't make it so great, does it? What about Thalidomide and Atom Bombs - to name but just a couple of marvelous scientific inventions.... And yes, many of those scientists are bought (funded by the vested interests) and only set out to "prove" what they are paid to prove and cover up what their masters don't want us to know. Like the fact that psychiatric drugs most often do not resolve anything, cause violent suicidal and homicidal behavior and other untold harm whereas natural therapies - which "alas" cannot be patented, sold at exorbitant fees and billed to insurance and can actually handle the suffering individual much better with no horrific side effects and terrible withdrawal symptoms which keep them hooked - get suppressed.

Unfortunately, we are indoctrinated into believing the "authorities", the media, and various other sacred cow institutes and would rather listen to them than open our eyes and see for ourselves.

JohnP
01-19-2013, 04:27 PM
However, those of us who understand statistics know that science can be manipulated to show whatever they "want" to show. Large corporations fund most of the "research". Hmmm...follow the money.

Nothing wrong with a bit of observation, as well.

Ummmm classic use of a Red Herring here... Science cannot be manipulated. Science tells us what it tells us. True, the ignorance of the average person is easily manipulated but this doesn't mean that science itself is being manipulated. There are things we know and things we don't.

Don't misunderstand what I'm saying.

There is a vast body of research that is practically useless because it tells us very little and yes this usually involves corporate sponsorship. A study can show what you want it to based on purposely manipulating the variables or by poor design but this doesn't mean that science is being manipulated. Perhaps this is semantics for you but I think it is a redulous assertion that somehow the laws of physics are being manipulated somehow.

Still, I agree with what you're saying regarding the manipulation of people in research. You even see "reputable" media sources reporting the results of these studies.

My favorite recent example of this is when consumer reports ranked the best commerica diet programs work best ... here is their list.

No. 1: Jenny Craig Diet
No. 2: Slim-Fast Plan Diet
No. 3: Weight Watchers Diet
No. 4: Zone Diet
No. 5: Ornish Diet
No. 6: Atkins Diet
No. 7: NutriSystem Diet

How did they come to this conclusion? THe number one ranking of Jenny was based on a study where participants were given free Jenny food for two years and 92% of the study participants "adhered" to the program.

Really? You give someone free food and they want to keep getting it? No kidding? I'm shocked.

I say "adhered" because clearly they were not sticking to the program as the average participant lost only 16 lbs over two years. (The study was also funded by Jenny)

Here is a write up if you want to read about this rediculousness. (http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/16/taking-measure-of-weight-loss-plans-and-the-studies-of-them/?src=tptw)

So is consumer reports really that dumb or are they are the take. I have no idea.

maezy1
01-19-2013, 05:33 PM
Yes, I do wish people became more aware of these issues and start fighting against those who only care about a quick buck. And yes, I also do not think anymore that IP is organic. I just wanted to post the place where I read it. And maybe if enough people wrote to IP they would actually listen.


Just don't know how these people can get away with posting that kind of misinformation. I think IP is making a TON of $$ and I really don't think that they care. I would venture to guess that their attitude would be "don't like it? go to another program"

Lolo70
01-19-2013, 05:50 PM
This is my biggest "concern" with IP. I like their approach. There is a lot of scientific base there, much of it relates to science done just now that has not yet reached public knowledge or runs against what doctors and nutritionists still learn. But on the other hand they use the same products as other companies, just with a huge markup. I also do not like the many complaints about pushy coaches I read on this board. Too me at least, it smells too much like wanting to make the big bucks. It is a pyramid scheme after all. The product works, but it could be improved using organic, high quality ingredients. And they could actually still make more money in the long run by decreasing prices and working with true health professionals that properly educate themselves and with better coaches.

I also have to agree with John about science. It is very hard to do good science nowadays because the funding is not there and funding agencies have switched to very short-term thinking. Proper studies with numbers of participants big enough that you can actually get meaningful statistics are extremely expensive. And scientists will not make it long in this business if they do not publish quickly. Therefore, society gets the science they ask for. As for science sponsored by corporations, you will never hear the negative data. But it is hard to publish negative data just in principle.