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ALM2000
01-13-2013, 12:08 PM
For the past 2 WI's, I was secretly trying to figure out whether I was plateauing or whether I am doing something wrong. I didn't want to post on here without knowing the answer because the mantra here is not to say "ONLY" but "A loss is a loss."

So I figured it out..

I was eating 2 restricteds a day. I just discovered the IP oatmeal, cereal and crepes. (YUM) On the days I ate these, I also ate my favorite restricted snack - pickle zippers.

When I told my doc, he said "ALM2000, you can only have 1 restricted per day, you have been eating 2. However, I am surprised you haven't gained. We want to keep our net carb intake to less than 30 grams per day. You have been eating close to 50."

He chose all my food for me this week and let me try the premixed choco shake for no additional cost. For some reason, the premixed has less carbs than the powder. Doc says we should start seeing my losses increase by the weigh-in.

P.S. My clinic allows me to pick n choose each packet without buying the box so its easy to get confused. Plus the boxes don't say "restricted" so I really didn't know. Stupid me.


lisa32989
01-13-2013, 12:13 PM
Oops! I consider it THEIR fault for not educating you better!
My coach gave me a product list and all the restricted were highlighted in gray.
So all whites were unrestricted.
Grays were one/day
Dark grays/once per week

It was really helpful at first. Now I don't even refer to the sheet, unless I'm trying to figure out what I haven't had in a while...

ALM2000
01-13-2013, 12:20 PM
Hi Lisa, I sort of feel that way too. I'll ask my coach for a list similar to yours. Thanks for the tip!


1LittleStar
01-13-2013, 12:57 PM
I was given a sheet for ordering similar to what Lisa describes. It's really easy, I pick 14 that are white, and 7 (max) that are gray.

Calisto
01-13-2013, 11:35 PM
My husband did that the first 2 weeks, ate 2 restricted things. He didn't realize the chili and the oatmeal were... I didn't pay attention because I thought he read the sheet and knew better lol

IP43
01-13-2013, 11:42 PM
My coach took a black permanent marker and put a big R on restricteds so that you know at a glance. Even the boxes on her shelf have a big R on them. That helps a lot.
The good thing about learning the "recipes" is it lets you change things up. For example, I make pancakes now with my IP cereal so that I'm not wasting a Restricted buying the crepes. The oatmeal, if I cook it into a "bun" makes 2, so I only use one, which makes in non-restricted IMO. Rainbow's bun recipe (that I still haven't tried-- just remembered) uses the potato puree to make buns I think -- so now you're again using non-restricteds to do the job the Restricted oatmeal can do...

Stick with protocol for a bit to get on track, but then have fun playing around. I'm not wasting my precious restricted on pancakes or spaghetti! :)

I also find some restricteds -- like the Southwest Cheese curls-- can be too much at one time and it's easy to split that into 2 portions, or use half in a recipe for a "crumb crust" and save half for a snack

lisa32989
01-14-2013, 12:45 AM
My coach took a black permanent marker and put a big R on restricteds so that you know at a glance. Even the boxes on her shelf have a big R on them. That helps a lot.
The good thing about learning the "recipes" is it lets you change things up. For example, I make pancakes now with my IP cereal so that I'm not wasting a Restricted buying the crepes. The oatmeal, if I cook it into a "bun" makes 2, so I only use one, which makes in non-restricted IMO. Rainbow's bun recipe (that I still haven't tried-- just remembered) uses the potato puree to make buns I think -- so now you're again using non-restricteds to do the job the Restricted oatmeal can do...

Stick with protocol for a bit to get on track, but then have fun playing around. I'm not wasting my precious restricted on pancakes or spaghetti! :)

I also find some restricteds -- like the Southwest Cheese curls-- can be too much at one time and it's easy to split that into 2 portions, or use half in a recipe for a "crumb crust" and save half for a snack
Too much for who????? LOL. It's a serving doggone it, I'm eatin' it!

Willi
01-14-2013, 03:42 AM
Too much for who????? LOL. It's a serving doggone it, I'm eatin' it!

I'm with you sister! :D

IdealProteinNewbie
01-14-2013, 06:25 AM
My coach took a black permanent marker and put a big R on restricteds so that you know at a glance. Even the boxes on her shelf have a big R on them. That helps a lot.
The good thing about learning the "recipes" is it lets you change things up. For example, I make pancakes now with my IP cereal so that I'm not wasting a Restricted buying the crepes. The oatmeal, if I cook it into a "bun" makes 2, so I only use one, which makes in non-restricted IMO. Rainbow's bun recipe (that I still haven't tried-- just remembered) uses the potato puree to make buns I think -- so now you're again using non-restricteds to do the job the Restricted oatmeal can do...

Stick with protocol for a bit to get on track, but then have fun playing around. I'm not wasting my precious restricted on pancakes or spaghetti! :)

I also find some restricteds -- like the Southwest Cheese curls-- can be too much at one time and it's easy to split that into 2 portions, or use half in a recipe for a "crumb crust" and save half for a snack

Be careful splitting the oatmeal "bun" into 2 portions and only eating half to make it non-restricted...then you aren't getting the full amount of protein you need!

bubbleblower
01-14-2013, 07:26 AM
For the past 2 WI's, I was secretly trying to figure out whether I was plateauing or whether I am doing something wrong.

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When I told my doc, he said "ALM2000, you can only have 1 restricted per day, you have been eating 2. However, I am surprised you haven't gained.

Okay, so I agree that your doctor should have been clearer about restricted items, but I'm having a tough time with a few of these statements. First of all is the idea of plateauing. According to your stats, you have been losing regularly and fairly consistently. In fact, over 13 weeks, you have averaged a loss of over 2.5 pounds per week. There is nothing wrong with that rate.

The other thing is the statement by your doctor that he was "surprised you hadn't gained." Really? I find it difficult to believe that he would think that a minor variance from the program like that would cause a loss to translate into a gain. After all, what are we talking about here? A 100 calorie differential at the most? Your food intake would still be very low in terms of caloric content (possibly 1000 calories vs 900?), so you still would lose - as demonstrated quite clearly from your 13 week track record.

Anyway, congrats on the results so far; I'm sure they'll even pick up a bit now that your only having 1 restricted item per day.

lisa32989
01-14-2013, 07:44 AM
Well, it's not just the calories but also the carbs. People highly carb sensitive (insulin resistant) may have gained with 2 restricteds, due to the higher carb content. For many of us, IP is about way more than the calorie restriction.

However, I agree, a plateau is ZERO LOSS on scale or measuring tape over several WEEKS (not just days or a single week). If inches move but the scale doesn't, it is not a plateau. If weight loss is slower than one would want, this is not a plateau either.

bubbleblower
01-14-2013, 07:52 AM
I understand what you're saying, Lisa, but if you are running a caloric deficit (and at about 1000 calories per day it would be difficult not to), you are going to lose weight regardless - as per ALM2000's results. Like I said, 2.5 pounds per week ain't too shabby! That's about what I'm getting with a max of *one* restricted item per day.

scorbett1103
01-14-2013, 09:26 AM
Actually, for people who are very carb sensitive, even if they are eating at a calorie deficit they can experience water retention/inflammation due to the extra carbs. So while they may not see a stall in the sense that they have gained or not lost fat, their body may still reflect a stall because of the water retention. And if you are carb sensitive and not reducing your carbs, you won't see the "whoosh" that others see when their water weight flushes out, because that water weight won't go away as long as the system is still being irritated.

lisa32989
01-14-2013, 09:29 AM
Actually, for people who are very carb sensitive, even if they are eating at a calorie deficit they can experience water retention/inflammation due to the extra carbs. So while they may not see a stall in the sense that they have gained or not lost fat, their body may still reflect a stall because of the water retention. And if you are carb sensitive and not reducing your carbs, you won't see the "whoosh" that others see when their water weight flushes out, because that water weight won't go away as long as the system is still being irritated.
Yes. I'm pretty carb sensitive.
I wasn't sure when I started IP if I'd be able to have the restricted or not. In the past I've only lost at 25 net or lower (and yes, at a calorie deficit, as well)
It is REALLY not only calories-in/calories-out for some of us. The hormones (insulin, leptin, cortisol, to name a few) play a MUCH bigger role for some of us than for others.

bubbleblower
01-14-2013, 09:38 AM
Actually, for people who are very carb sensitive, even if they are eating at a calorie deficit they can experience water retention/inflammation due to the extra carbs. So while they may not see a stall in the sense that they have gained or not lost fat, their body may still reflect a stall because of the water retention. And if you are carb sensitive and not reducing your carbs, you won't see the "whoosh" that others see when their water weight flushes out, because that water weight won't go away as long as the system is still being irritated.

Gotcha, but what I was having a problem with was her doctor indicating that she should have been gaining weight on a 1000 calorie diet, vs. [perhaps] merely retaining more water. Based on everything I've read, gaining weight in this scenario is highly unlikely. Even more so than that, her doctor's statement holds absolutely no weight when you look at ALM2000's actual results over the last 13 weeks. Those results speak for themselves, IMNSHO.

scorbett1103
01-14-2013, 02:18 PM
Gotcha, but what I was having a problem with was her doctor indicating that she should have been gaining weight on a 1000 calorie diet, vs. [perhaps] merely retaining more water. Based on everything I've read, gaining weight in this scenario is highly unlikely. Even more so than that, her doctor's statement holds absolutely no weight when you look at ALM2000's actual results over the last 13 weeks. Those results speak for themselves, IMNSHO.

Oh absolutely :) And honestly, I'm a little shocked that a medical professional couldn't do the math and figure out that even if you ate a restricted three times a day it wouldn't be enough calories in a week to gain a pound of actual fat. It's just a symptom of the epidemic that I see - people administering IP but not really having any clue how or why it works.

bubbleblower
01-14-2013, 02:56 PM
And honestly, I'm a little shocked that a medical professional couldn't do the math and figure out that even if you ate a restricted three times a day it wouldn't be enough calories in a week to gain a pound of actual fat. It's just a symptom of the epidemic that I see - people administering IP but not really having any clue how or why it works.

Agreed!! Sometimes I really have to wonder about the 'professionals' who are supposedly the [paid] experts!

lisa32989
01-14-2013, 03:06 PM
Paid yes.
Experts, no.
I give a little laugh whenever someone says "my doctor wants me to eat..."
Doctors don't even get one full class on nutrition in med school! Unless they have done outside study, they have no right to open their mouths at all.

If my Dr offered an opinion on my eating, I'd have to ask him if he were following it. Because just LOOKING at him, you know he isn't!

ALM2000
01-14-2013, 08:34 PM
Thank you everyone for all your insight. I'm the type who gains weight pretty quickly taking in carbs. But I do agree that my doc was exaggerating or his statement was medically incorrect.

I asked the doc to update the sheet to highlight or mark R for restricted as you all have suggested.

Again, thanks!

ptod
01-14-2013, 09:33 PM
My clinic also allows us to buy individual packets. To help identify restricted v non-restricted, they put a colored sticker on the individual restricted packets. If your clinic doesn't pre-mark restricted for you, you could add stickers (I've ripped address labels apart to use when they missed one) or use a marker to help keep things straight at home.

rofl306
01-14-2013, 10:06 PM
Oops! I consider it THEIR fault for not educating you better!
My coach gave me a product list and all the restricted were highlighted in gray.
So all whites were unrestricted.
Grays were one/day
Dark grays/once per week

It was really helpful at first. Now I don't even refer to the sheet, unless I'm trying to figure out what I haven't had in a while...

OMG! Which ones are one per week? I've never heard that before. Panic! Panic!

lisa32989
01-14-2013, 10:16 PM
OMG! Which ones are one per week? I've never heard that before. Panic! Panic!
Oh no! Don't panic. It's one of the things i don't eat and the info is in the other room. I have a project for work spread all around my laptop. Can't get up right now! I think it is the Spaghetti.

Someone will clarify/correct me if I'm wrong.

Yesmyqueen
01-14-2013, 10:16 PM
The ones that are restricted to only 1 per week are the chili and spaghetti.

mompattie
01-14-2013, 10:17 PM
Yes. I'm pretty carb sensitive.
I wasn't sure when I started IP if I'd be able to have the restricted or not. In the past I've only lost at 25 net or lower (and yes, at a calorie deficit, as well)
It is REALLY not only calories-in/calories-out for some of us. The hormones (insulin, leptin, cortisol, to name a few) play a MUCH bigger role for some of us than for others.

YES!!! LIKE LIKE LIKE!!!

OMG! Which ones are one per week? I've never heard that before. Panic! Panic!

I think spaghetti bolognese and choc chip cookie are from the 2x/week group. I only pick 2 individual cookies as my clinic sells individual packs. I don't buy bars anymore. Not enough control over them yet, but two cookies I can manage. One mon one thurs.

lisa32989
01-14-2013, 10:27 PM
Okay, different answers made me get up!
My coach only lists the spaghetti as super-restricted (no more than 2x/week)
I HAVE heard of coaches listing choc chip cookie as super restricted but mine doesn't. She's a regional rep and goes by IP corporate.
I had to look b/c I don't eat any of it!

scorbett1103
01-14-2013, 10:32 PM
YES!!! LIKE LIKE LIKE!!!



I think spaghetti bolognese and choc chip cookie are from the 2x/week group. I only pick 2 individual cookies as my clinic sells individual packs. I don't buy bars anymore. Not enough control over them yet, but two cookies I can manage. One mon one thurs.

The ones that are restricted to only 1 per week are the chili and spaghetti.

The only IP product that is super restricted is the Spaghetti Bolognese, and it is limited to 2x per week. Here's the June 2012 Phase 1 protocol sheet:
http://www.idealtogo.com/Library/Fase%201%20-%20ITG.pdf

The Spaghetti has 17g net carbs. The chili only has 9g net carbs, and the cookie has 14g net carbs.

ALM2000
01-15-2013, 01:17 AM
YES!!! LIKE LIKE LIKE!!!



I think spaghetti bolognese and choc chip cookie are from the 2x/week group. I only pick 2 individual cookies as my clinic sells individual packs. I don't buy bars anymore. Not enough control over them yet, but two cookies I can manage. One mon one thurs.

EEK! I've been eating the cookies more than twice a week too!

lisa32989
01-15-2013, 07:49 AM
Its okay. IP does NOT have cookies listed as super restricted. That is only certain coaches.

IdealProteinNewbie
01-15-2013, 10:19 AM
The only super-restricted food is the spaghetti bolognese, limited to 2/week.

rofl306
01-15-2013, 01:05 PM
The ones that are restricted to only 1 per week are the chili and spaghetti.

YES!!! LIKE LIKE LIKE!!!



I think spaghetti bolognese and choc chip cookie are from the 2x/week group. I only pick 2 individual cookies as my clinic sells individual packs. I don't buy bars anymore. Not enough control over them yet, but two cookies I can manage. One mon one thurs.

Okay, different answers made me get up!
My coach only lists the spaghetti as super-restricted (no more than 2x/week)
I HAVE heard of coaches listing choc chip cookie as super restricted but mine doesn't. She's a regional rep and goes by IP corporate.
I had to look b/c I don't eat any of it!

The only IP product that is super restricted is the Spaghetti Bolognese, and it is limited to 2x per week. Here's the June 2012 Phase 1 protocol sheet:
http://www.idealtogo.com/Library/Fase%201%20-%20ITG.pdf

The Spaghetti has 17g net carbs. The chili only has 9g net carbs, and the cookie has 14g net carbs.

The only super-restricted food is the spaghetti bolognese, limited to 2/week.

Thanks everyone! Lucky for me I don't eat any of the restricted and limited or even the suspected ones. I didn't even realize that list was on their protocol sheet, I guess I should review it every now and then.

Liddybean
01-16-2013, 01:21 PM
UM - Panic!

Since when is the cereal restricted? I use that a lot and have never counted it as restricted. Yikes! :dizzy:

scorbett1103
01-16-2013, 01:34 PM
UM - Panic!

Since when is the cereal restricted? I use that a lot and have never counted it as restricted. Yikes! :dizzy:

The crispy cereal is not restricted. The oatmeal and crepes are.

ALM2000
01-19-2013, 03:12 AM
So my coach put me back on track last week. He also switched my morning chocolate shake to RTD version since it has 1 gram net carbs. Turns out I can't keep drinking these as they make me run to the toilet a lot (sorry).

Coach says EAS Carb Control is OK so I will try it for a week and see if that works. (Sure works for my pocketbook)

Well, well, well, my TOM comes the day before my weigh-in. Argh. Oh well.

P.S. I went to my regular doc (OB) this week too. She measured my bodyfat @ 26% but my coach measured it at 33%. I don't know which to go with. Doc used pinch method and coach used omron.

scorbett1103
01-19-2013, 06:40 AM
So my coach put me back on track last week. He also switched my morning chocolate shake to RTD version since it has 1 gram net carbs. Turns out I can't keep drinking these as they make me run to the toilet a lot (sorry).

Coach says EAS Carb Control is OK so I will try it for a week and see if that works. (Sure works for my pocketbook)

Well, well, well, my TOM comes the day before my weigh-in. Argh. Oh well.

P.S. I went to my regular doc (OB) this week too. She measured my bodyfat @ 26% but my coach measured it at 33%. I don't know which to go with. Doc used pinch method and coach used omron.

That's awesome that your coach is OK with you using an alternative product! Not many are, sounds like you have a good one :)

RE: body fat measurements - the doc is probably closer to an accurate number. Those scales are OK for tracking TRENDS (only because they "measure" in the same way each time) but the actual numbers are not very accurate. The most accurate ways of measuring fat % and lean mass % are a LOT more involved than scales and "electric currents".

jeffiner
01-19-2013, 09:15 AM
I did the same thing..somehow I misunderstood and thought I couldnt eat two bars a day or two chillis a day..not that I could only have one food on the restricted list per day..i took a red permanent marker and wrote a big R on each restricted food wrapper..then I labled gallon size baggies with each day of the week and seperated my packages for the week( being careful to put only oned Red R in each bag). Anyway I can really feel the difference and im sure Im losing weight now!

lisa32989
01-19-2013, 09:33 AM
I did the same thing..somehow I misunderstood and thought I couldnt eat two bars a day or two chillis a day..not that I could only have one food on the restricted list per day..i took a red permanent marker and wrote a big R on each restricted food wrapper..then I labled gallon size baggies with each day of the week and seperated my packages for the week( being careful to put only oned Red R in each bag). Anyway I can really feel the difference and im sure Im losing weight now!

I did the 7 ziplocs labeled for each day, too! It was REALLY helpful about the first 6 weeks on this plan to have my food sorted out ahead-of-time.

Even now, as I'm making dinner, I'm planning tomorrow. Sometimes I pull the packets for the next day so they're already out. I need to know if a trip to the grocery is in order and that is info I need ahead-of-time.

Planning=success!