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tam67green
01-02-2013, 07:46 PM
Hi all,
I would like some honest opinions (from coaches, as well!) on what you expect and get from your coach. I see two different ladies; I go on the same day, same time, but never know who I will see. One lady is very nice--weighs me, measures me, we chat, and she will get me what products I need. She never asks to see my food diary, and once I forgot to email her my requests for products and she said, "That's OK, I can get that for you, no problem." The other lady is not so nice--very curt, very short, always rushing me out to get to the other client. Today I didn't have my food diary and she was very disapproving--said I NEED to bring that every time, she NEEDS to see what I am eating, and she could get the food this one time, but I NEED to email my request 48 hours ahead of time. Honestly, I felt like a second grader being scolded by my teacher! I am getting mixed messages from these two, and don't really know what to think! I know I dread going to weigh-ins because I don't know if I will get the "good cop" or the "bad cop". :(

I am considering just doing this on my own, and ordering the products on the Internet. I am an adult and I don't think I need to be accountable to anybody but myself, because I am my own worst and harshest critic. The drive and determination to commit to this lifestyle comes from inside, not from somebody telling me what I NEED to do.

I would like to hear about others' experiences with or without coaches, especially those in maintenance. I am pretty confident I can continue on P1 without a coach, but I'm a little worried about moving to different phases on my own.

Thanks for any insight!


Calisto
01-02-2013, 07:58 PM
Our office is pretty strict on making sure you have the same one every time. We have 2 also, one I like and one I don't. I had to see the one I didn't like once when the other was gone, now I just reschedule if needed.

I would hate to have to order ahead of time, we can buy whatever is need at our appointment, but i we need to stop in on a different day then we just call ahead.

I like mine, if I didn't have one... I would probably do the same but I love the encouragement from the lady I have and I think I would miss that.... and being measured.

scorbett1103
01-02-2013, 08:13 PM
I made the decision around week 8 to make the transition to alternative products and "go rogue". My coach was sweet, helpful as she could be - but was really becoming nothing more than a scale and tape measure. I was getting more current and helpful information on this forum and off the internet.

I also know myself well enough to know that I was 110% accountable to myself and could continue on that way - not everyone is like that, some need that accountability partner in order to stay on track. Know yourself, and make whatever decision is going to keep you on track to succeed! Good luck!


Chloe222
01-02-2013, 10:24 PM
I echo Corbett's message. My coach (the first time I did IP) was nice, but not a source of inspiration or good information. I get far more valuable information on this website and have been on alternatives after my first time which lasted only 2 months. I'm also highly accountable to myself so I don't need someone to weigh me in.

I also like the savings and the variety of the alternatives.

ashmeg07
01-02-2013, 10:33 PM
Hi all,
I would like some honest opinions (from coaches, as well!) on what you expect and get from your coach. I see two different ladies; I go on the same day, same time, but never know who I will see. One lady is very nice--weighs me, measures me, we chat, and she will get me what products I need. She never asks to see my food diary, and once I forgot to email her my requests for products and she said, "That's OK, I can get that for you, no problem." The other lady is not so nice--very curt, very short, always rushing me out to get to the other client. Today I didn't have my food diary and she was very disapproving--said I NEED to bring that every time, she NEEDS to see what I am eating, and she could get the food this one time, but I NEED to email my request 48 hours ahead of time. Honestly, I felt like a second grader being scolded by my teacher! I am getting mixed messages from these two, and don't really know what to think! I know I dread going to weigh-ins because I don't know if I will get the "good cop" or the "bad cop". :(

I am considering just doing this on my own, and ordering the products on the Internet. I am an adult and I don't think I need to be accountable to anybody but myself, because I am my own worst and harshest critic. The drive and determination to commit to this lifestyle comes from inside, not from somebody telling me what I NEED to do.

I would like to hear about others' experiences with or without coaches, especially those in maintenance. I am pretty confident I can continue on P1 without a coach, but I'm a little worried about moving to different phases on my own.

Thanks for any insight!

I also go to a clinic in Maryland and this sounds exactly like my clinic. What county are you in?

I've recently changed clinic for this reason.

Fishette
01-02-2013, 11:42 PM
I had the same experience in Virginia. The two coaches would even use the tape measure differently, so I would loose 2 pounds but would have "gained" a full inch in my thigh. Then the reverse. It was just no help, so I switched to alternatives and found that I was much less stressed out about the weekly WI and what crazy excuses I would hear from them. Right before I quit, the clinic held a seminar about what to do for P2, P3, and P4, so I'm confident with that info and LizRR's breakfast thread I will do fine.

NinjaNurse
01-03-2013, 12:51 AM
This KILLS me as usual!!!:tantrum:Why do so many of us have unhappy/unsatisfactory stories of coaches past/present.:mad: It's like they just pick these people off the street because maybe they were wearing a red sweater the day the clinic was hiring and that was all the criteria they used. Ok, let's hire some people wearing red sweaters...........:devil:

Because its franchise, is there no accountability to how the coaches are interact with their clients?? And no accountability for what they actually know and don't know??

We all pay good money and all is seems like is a revolving door approach. Get weighed, spent money, bye bye.

Is there ANYONE out there who has had a pleasant, positive, bonding experience with their coach?? These people are helping us with our lives and how to better them, not helping us pick out a pair of shoes or something.

That being said, I have never seen my clinic super busy. (So it's not like they have clients waiting to be seen.) I get my food day of WI and if I need to get more can just drop in.

Part of me wants to get out and go alternative (then I can have Scorbett weigh and measure me;):D) but I still feel like I need the accountability and would feel like they would see me as a failure. (Even though I should care less what they think.)

Part of me wants to 'complain' to the head of the clinic who I have only seen in there once, the night of the info session. He runs his chiropractic office next door. But then I am afraid it would get back to me and they would be even more frosty towards me.

I am at a point where I don't know what to do. I know they will NOT be receptive if I even only some alternatives and probably explode if I got my vits online. I am not even friendly enough with any of them to have this kind of discussion. I haven't seen the one girl I did like in ages and she was no bright light of revelation when I saw her last.

Can you tell this is a sore subject with me???:yikes:

Tziri
01-03-2013, 01:14 AM
Is there ANYONE out there who has had a pleasant, positive, bonding experience with their coach?? These people are helping us with our lives and how to better them, not helping us pick out a pair of shoes or something.

I absolutely love my coach, however she was a big surprise! I'm in a small-ish town and there is only one IP clinic with two coaches (a main coach and one that only works 2 days). I ended up making my appointment with the one that only works 2 days a week (only had her first name). I went to my first appointment and was completely surprised to find out it was a woman that has known my family since before I was born! In fact, she even made me my first doll/stuffed animal. I was soooo excited and even more motivated that she gets to be on this journey with me. She is an absolutely wonderful person and a great coach. I look forward to my weigh-ins every week because of this.

Aside from our personal connection, I know she develops bonds/connections with all of her clients. She even celebrated a 100lb weight-loss goal (riding a Ferris Wheel in Seattle) with one of her other clients. She spends a lot of time getting to know everyone during their weigh-ins (beyond discussions about IP).

I have heard great things about the main coach as well. All of her clients seem to love going to see her and everyone at the clinic talks about how excellent she is as a coach.

I'm sorry so many people have had such bad experiences. I think coaches should definitely be held accountable (and recognized for admirable work), if not by corporate than at least by the clinics they work in.

Best wishes to all on this journey!

Dinie89
01-03-2013, 02:40 AM
I have been on IP since November -- I LOVE my coach we have really bonded- I am going threw family health problems which happen to e the same kind she had gone threw and which brought her to IP it's amazing to have that help who knows how help in the aspect of keeping strong in hard times- I only see my coach for 15 mins a week WI answer some questions talk about my week and get my food -- I do send in a form usually the morning of WI - but my coach always allows me to change things if I want -my coach tho runs her own clinic out of an office she rents in a Pilates studio it's very low key and nice --
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Being said my Gf just started IP yesterday and goes to a different clinic a larger place that is bigger they have a whole section of a cosmetic surgery office to them I believe -- and has her coach telling her that she only eat 5oz of beef and cheat days are ok- so really it's just a matter of finding a coach that works for you cuz it seems like all will tell you different an do things different ways

sonyainva
01-03-2013, 05:33 AM
I love my coach and have bonded with her. She is very informative, non judgemental and complimentary. She nudges me forward just right.

We are able to exchange unused packages of food, she does want to see my diary every week, with the time I took the meal,

Big believer in eating within an hour of getting up and eating every.3 to 4 hours

Love my coach

bubbleblower
01-03-2013, 08:08 AM
I'll echo the experience of scorbett and others here. My coach really isn't what I'd define as a coach. She answers questions (sometimes; she's not always responsive to emails and never responded to my questions about exercising) and takes care of weighing, measuring, and taking my orders for products. Now that I know I can easily go for several weeks on my own without checking in, that's what I plan to start doing. My own scale is more reliable and consistent. I go to someone in my doctor's office, and I like that my doctor is in the background, monitoring how I'm doing health-wise. I'll see him for my first check-in since starting the diet next week.

I'll probably 'go rogue' gradually, but do want to know that I have support from my doctor's office as I phase off and go on maintenance. I'm already starting to add in alternative products, and I know I'm committed enough to this program to not need someone else 'motivating' me. And if I do, I know I can come here. :hug:

galpal445
01-03-2013, 10:39 AM
I'm so sorry to hear some of you have not had good experiences with your coaches...makes me sad.

I love my coaches. They make sure they both measure in exactly the same spots by having me use my own hand to find the area. For example, to measure my upper arm, I put my thumb in my armpit and wrest my fingers on my arm. They then measure around my arm next to my small finger.

I don't have to pre-order my food but I could see how that would be helpful to the clinic so they don't need to keep such a large inventory on hand. I guess needing to order your food in advance would beat getting old, stale food because it has been sitting on the shelf too long.

If your coach is rude or just doesn't have a clue about what they are doing...turn them in! Report them to corporate and let corporate make sure they get more training. There is a contact form on the corporate website which you can use to let them know the problems you are having. They DO want to know if their coaches aren't doing the job they are paid (by us) to do. Here is a link to the website:
http://www.idealprotein.com/us/home

Paint Lady
01-03-2013, 10:47 AM
I have mixed feelings on this. I didn't love my coach. She just wasn't very knowledgeable... about most things. Her IP plan was something adapted in the dark ages and she wouldn't stay current. I continued going to the clinic until I reached my goal because I honestly had gotten to the point where I didn't care what she said or did. I was more informed than she was. My measurements were always all over the place. However, I felt like I needed to be accountable to someone, even if it was her. I wore basically the same clothes to every WI and the only thing I took with me from that office was the number on the scale. You see, I am very good at sabotoging myself. I will let myself down before I will let anyone else down. I am good at saying "I'll do that tomorrow" and I will wind up saying that everyday. That was the old me. I just needed more practice at putting myself first. I still have to practice this.
I've done alternatives in maintenance and a reboot and weighed myself at home. It's much easier to stay true to the plan if you have to face someone once a week and "prove" that you are doing the right thing. For me, anyway.
Also, there are great alternatives out there. Cheaper, etc. But, there is something about the IP products that is better. I get into ketosis quicker if I use them. I feel satisfied longer when I use them. I also feel like I retain more muscle mass when I use them. That's just my opinion and my experience and I will say that I haven't tried every alternative out there.
It's definitely a personal decision, but you do have the right to request the "good cop". If they won't comply with that request, then get out of there. Find a different clinic.

Debrasb
01-03-2013, 10:57 AM
The coaches at my clinic are very good. They are encouraging and give lots of tips and recipes to help keep me going. I think I could do it on my own, but I like the accountability that comes with having a WI every week. Yes, there are times when the measurements are off or something else is frustrating but overall the coaches are great and helpful.

Paint Lady
01-03-2013, 11:04 AM
As far as measurements go, I can really understand how they would be off sometimes. Look at how rapidly our bodies are changing. Now multiply that by all of the clients they see in a day. I know the tape should go in the same place everytime. But, how many of us truly had a waist in the correct spot when we started? Lol! If your clothes fit better, than that's what you should focus on. Measurements are just numbers anyway. Just take the positive with you when you go. Leave the negative stuff there in that office!

scorbett1103
01-03-2013, 11:13 AM
If your coach is rude or just doesn't have a clue about what they are doing...turn them in! Report them to corporate and let corporate make sure they get more training. There is a contact form on the corporate website which you can use to let them know the problems you are having. They DO want to know if their coaches aren't doing the job they are paid (by us) to do. Here is a link to the website:
http://www.idealprotein.com/us/home

Unfortunately, this is not always going to accomplish much - remember that clinics are franchises, not employees of Ideal Protein. The corporate branch of IP cannot force clinics/coaches to attend training, only send them materials to review. The only definitive action they can take is to pull a franchise's license, but that would only happen if they violated something in the franchise agreement.

breezie68
01-03-2013, 11:14 AM
I don't even really talk to my coach. I come in, she measures and weighs me, sells me food and sends me on the way. I don't think we've ever really had dialogue. Its just a redundant process where its like a robot. She seems a bit cold to me.

joysh
01-03-2013, 11:19 AM
I know all clinics are different and all coaches are different.

I LOVE my coach! She's very supportive and genuinely cares about each of her clients. She comes to work on holidays and is available by phone whenever needed, although I would never take advantage of that. She looked at my journal for the first 4 months, but I don't show her anymore. She spends at least a half hour with each client every time, discussing the past week and issues that might come up the next week. I choose my food when I'm there, and I can mix up what I order.

I know I could do it without her at ths point, but I enjoy going. It's great to have that support - and there s no additional charge. I only weigh myself at the clinic, but I guess I'll have to buy a scale for maintenance.

BeccaGrim
01-03-2013, 11:22 AM
I've only recently finished week 2 here but I really like the coach. She happens to be the PA in my physician's office. My doctor actually runs the IP program out of her office. She (the PA) is very very supportive. Actually hugged me.

Billster
01-03-2013, 11:34 AM
Well this is a hard one to decided. I did IP last year started at one clinic and switched to another because of the coach at the first clinic she was so rude and just out right nasty. I switched to a different clinic and had a super wonderful coach! She was very supportive and always ran late because she spent time with her clients. When I went back to restart in November she had moved out of province. I did not like the new lady that replaced her, she didn’t understand the program. I have to drive over an hour one way to the clinic and I didn’t see it worth my time to drive for a program that I knew more about then the woman running it. I went at my weight loss solo and have been successful at it. I do find it hard at time to make sure I’m accountable however a girl I work with was so impressed she is doing it as well now and we keep each other on track. I know in Canada its much different than the USA. All coaches I have met do not have ANY medical training the only one that might kinda count she was a massage therapist…. Enough said. Leaving the clinic was the best choice for me. I save money on products, don’t drive 2+ hours one evening a week for WI and I found someone supportive to help out, and I have all these ladies here. Find what works best for you.

mrskuby
01-03-2013, 12:05 PM
I just decided this morning to stop seeing my "coach". Although she is friendly, she's not very helpful and some of the questions I asked her she has answered differently than the info I found here. When I ask her the same question again, with the info I have learned from this board, she agrees with it...even if it's opposite of what she originally told me. This afternoon I will go to get weighed/measured, then I'll be ordering my IP products online for next week. I can get all the support I need on this board, from our office manager since she has already completed the program and from my hubby who has been sooo supportive.

AAAMom
01-03-2013, 01:03 PM
Part of me wants to 'complain' to the head of the clinic who I have only seen in there once, the night of the info session. He runs his chiropractic office next door. But then I am afraid it would get back to me and they would be even more frosty towards me.



NinjaNurse,
I see you are from Mass, do you go in Franklin? Because your description of the chiro next door made me wonder. If so, that's where I go and, although, it's only been a week, I, too, have dealt with the opposite ends of the spectrum consultants.

NinjaNurse
01-03-2013, 02:13 PM
NinjaNurse,
I see you are from Mass, do you go in Franklin? Because your description of the chiro next door made me wonder. If so, that's where I go and, although, it's only been a week, I, too, have dealt with the opposite ends of the spectrum consultants.

AAA no, I am in Fairhaven. The chiropractor is Dr. Dennis Barley. He gave the speech at the info session. He was KNOWLEDGEABLE, PASSIONATE, and CHARISMATIC. It blows my mind that what I have experienced with his coaches is anything but.

I am envious of those who are having great experiences, that's the way it should be.

iwiggy58
01-03-2013, 08:27 PM
Yep... I am envious of those of you that have great coaches too! I am the type that really gets motivated when someone seems like they actually CARE how my week went.

Chloe222
01-03-2013, 10:32 PM
I know all clinics are different and all coaches are different.

I LOVE my coach! She's very supportive and genuinely cares about each of her clients. She comes to work on holidays and is available by phone whenever needed, although I would never take advantage of that. She looked at my journal for the first 4 months, but I don't show her anymore. She spends at least a half hour with each client every time, discussing the past week and issues that might come up the next week. I choose my food when I'm there, and I can mix up what I order.

I know I could do it without her at ths point, but I enjoy going. It's great to have that support - and there s no additional charge. I only weigh myself at the clinic, but I guess I'll have to buy a scale for maintenance.


Joy and others who have great coaches,
I'm truly glad for you, it's important to have solid support to reach goal and then maintain. It makes all the difference in the world.

Tikatoka
01-12-2013, 09:49 PM
What are alternatives?

ragdoll74
01-12-2013, 09:56 PM
What are alternatives?

Alternatives are products that are used in place of the actual IP products. They have comparable nutritional values and ingredients. Actually there are some that are exactly the same as the IP ones, just sold under a different name ( i.e. Proti-thin chocolate soy puffs are identical to the IP ones, down to the silver packaging.)

scorbett1103
01-12-2013, 09:56 PM
What are alternatives?

There are many products out there that are very similar nutritionally to IP products - we call them "alternatives". People who use alternative products still follow the IP protocol, just instead of IP products we use the other products we've found that are similar.

Tikatoka
01-12-2013, 09:58 PM
Great Thanks! Can you find these products on plainprotein.com?

scorbett1103
01-12-2013, 09:59 PM
Great Thanks! Can you find these products on plainprotein.com?

No, Plain Protein only sells IP products. If you search the forum, there are several threads about Alternative products that detail where to buy them, what people have tried, and what products are and are not OK for the program.

maezy1
01-12-2013, 10:34 PM
I like my coach at my clinic when I see her but I haven't seen her in a while because of all the stuff going on with my knee. Ive emailed her a few times but got no response. I decided to stay with the clinic becuz of phase 2,3,4 - not that I'm anywhere near that - but I have no idea how to handle those phases. i spend maybe 10 minutes with her at the most. She is an a trainer from the workout part of the center who sees patients sometimes. She thinks my goal weight is too low. I told ehr that this is where my dr would like me to be. She and I are almost the same weight now and we are the same height

BrittStar027
01-12-2013, 10:52 PM
My first time around with IP I adored my coach. The clinic started to get a lot of business and changed locations and hired more people. Once they were in the new location I rarely, if ever, saw my original coach. They hired a main girl and I basically would walk in, get weighed, occasionally measured and would pick up my food. Rarely any interaction beyond that. The owner supposedly was super gung-ho IP and would lecture and be judgemental for any slip ups (I planned a cheat because I was going on vacation and would not have the right things available to me where I was. I still ate very healthily and gained only a pound.). Turns out, she had gone on vacation a few months prior and gained 8 lbs while off protocol. Not only that, but my mom went to weigh in one day and she was eating a double cheeseburger and fries. Really?! Pot and kettle! The environment was very different at that point. Maybe it has changed and they were knowledgable, but it left a bad taste in my mouth after that. It all seemed to just be about money, with very little personal help anymore. I've been doing IP alone for almost two weeks and I've found that I still feel just as accountable to myself as I did walking into the clinic.

mommyIP
01-13-2013, 12:11 PM
My first round on IP last year ended in disaster b/c my coach sucked. It was a MD office and they were only in it for the money. I spent more time listening to the medical assistant (aka coach) complain about her issues than she ever did any coaching. I quit going there, bought IP food online and tried to do it on my own. I couldn't. I needed the accountability of weighing in with someone. I gained everything I lost plus some.

Here I am 6 days into round 2 of IP. I found another coach after much searching and really liked their office. It is two ladies and they only do IP. My first meeting and weigh in was informative and I learned a ton from them. I'm excited to weigh in tomorrow morning. I know I need the accountability at this point in my (very short) journey so far.

Chloe222
01-13-2013, 12:15 PM
My first round on IP last year ended in disaster b/c my coach sucked. It was a MD office and they were only in it for the money. I spent more time listening to the medical assistant (aka coach) complain about her issues than she ever did any coaching. I quit going there, bought IP food online and tried to do it on my own. I couldn't. I needed the accountability of weighing in with someone. I gained everything I lost plus some.

Here I am 6 days into round 2 of IP. I found another coach after much searching and really liked their office. It is two ladies and they only do IP. My first meeting and weigh in was informative and I learned a ton from them. I'm excited to weigh in tomorrow morning. I know I need the accountability at this point in my (very short) journey so far.
It's important that you found a clinic that will provide you with the individual type of support that you require for success. It's impressive that you know what it is you need to be successful (formal WI and in person coaching). Also this website in particular is rich in helpful information and wonderful, supportive people. Stay close to 3FC and stay OP! Looking forward to reading about your success!

SassyGirl424
01-13-2013, 12:48 PM
Only 1 clinic in town (lucky to have the one, I guess)

My coach worked another job full-time and did IP Tues eves for a few hours and Sat morning for a few hours. Like BrittStar, I basically would walk in, get weighed, occasionally measured and would pick up my food. Rarely any interaction beyond that. Sometimes she didn't even meet me there -- sent her "significant other" to basically give my order and take my money, as he didn't do weighing or measuring...

After several mis-steps (she forgot my appt times, told me she had my items then when I got there she didn't have them, problems with her scale and office set-up, etc)... I finally decided to forego the coach and do the program on my own.

Engrid123
01-13-2013, 12:53 PM
I am not impressed with the way my coach treats me. I remember being scolded because I used too much walden farms dressing one week! However without the weigh in and measuring I would have given up weeks ago. When she asks me for before and after pics and a testimonial that is when her level of service will haunt her. Because she is not going above and beyond for me I will return the favour at that time.

brunette8706
01-13-2013, 02:42 PM
Hello All!

Not to sound harsh, but you (IP clients) should all have a knowledgable coach that should, well, COACH. Why pay close to $400 a month to get weighed, measured and cya later? I would expect more then that, epecially when you are paying a "premium".

It just boggles my mine. If IP lowered their costs I think more people would go to these clinics. I just can not afford to go to IP with 2 mortgages, and car payments, that's why I chose alternative. It seems like most people here on this forum have good luck with the alternative plan and it's so much cheaper.

2Balance
01-13-2013, 07:11 PM
I got discouraged with my clinic. I really liked my coach. He was insightful, helpful and encouraging. But during the process of relocating his practice I would have to see his wife. Not even the same. I too felt I was being schooled at each appointment, even though I was loosing. I started dreading the appointments and eventually stopped going altogether. I 40# but have gained 30 back over two years. Tomorrow I start back on the program. I am using Ideal To Go. I live 1.5 hours from the nearest clinic so it was a good fit for me. I will keep you posted on how that is working.

WorldTraveleronIP
01-15-2013, 07:24 AM
I had a coach in 2010 when I first went on IP and she was great (an ND), but it was way too expensive. I was so delighted to find this site and Plain Protein, so now I order online and follow protocol sheets and weigh/measure myself. This board makes it possible to do this without a coach for me. Everyone has differing needs.

Conine
02-18-2013, 01:29 AM
I'm pretty much ready to quit going to my coach. It was fine at first but honestly, I'm getting my knowledge from the internet community at this point. I email my coach and dietician about things and in some cases, their answers are just wrong. They were great for an initial source of information but frankly, I don't trust them to be knowledgeable at this point. And since I've got good results, I could probably just be buying the food online at this point and save myself the trip.

My coach is a nice lady though, and she knows that even though I ask from time to time, I'm doing my own thing, so I'm just there to get measured and see what crazy reading I get on the fat% reading this week. (Seems to change drastically every week.) Now that I have a scale that gives me that, I'm seriously questioning why I'm going at all.