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SmallSteps
01-01-2013, 09:20 PM
So does anyone have any thoughts on Season 14 of The Biggest Loser having 3 kids on the cast this season? I read there will be two children age thirteen and one child age sixteen.

Does anyone think that children this age should be subjected to the type of in your face training these adults are put through? What do you think about these three teens being on The Biggest Loser? Would you allow your child to do the same thing?


Bellamack
01-01-2013, 09:21 PM
I don't think adults should be subjected to this kind of training.

CanadianCutie
01-01-2013, 09:26 PM
I don't think adults should be subjected to this kind of training.

This!


Mizzthingaling
01-01-2013, 09:39 PM
Well adults sign up for it willingly, so I don't care about them doing the training. I don't think the kids should be involved with a weight loss competition. I would prefer for them to learn about healthy eating and weight, not eating asparagus for a week to try to make weight.

energie
01-01-2013, 09:46 PM
Yeah, that entire show is abusive and exploitative. No adult or kid should be on that show.

mandalinn82
01-01-2013, 11:25 PM
The teens are not participating the way the adults do.

They are training primarily at home, with an emphasis on getting them involved with more healthy activities (dance classes, softball), not necessarily on the big intense Biggest Loser style workouts. They will be doing some ranch workouts, but not to the level the adults do.

They are not up for elimination.

Their weigh-ins will not be filmed.

Based on interviews with Jillian Michaels and her podcast, her goal with the teenagers is to encourage them to be healthy and active, not to lose the most weight whatever the cost.

It would be a BAD idea to incorporate teens into the same workouts, weigh ins, and eliminations as the adult competitors. But I think they are taking a different angle, and hopefully, it will shine a spotlight on child obesity without crossing the line.

drixnot
01-01-2013, 11:37 PM
The whole concept of the show is counter productive.

I'll sum it up... they find the biggest people they can who are still healthy enough to survive the show so that the results will be as drastic as they can get. They foster an unrealistic belief that anyone can lose weight quickly if they just work hard enough .... with the undertone that if you are fat then you must be lazy.

SmallSteps
01-01-2013, 11:52 PM
We so need like button on our posts! :)

linJber
01-02-2013, 07:35 AM
Kids are a completely different story and I think - from what I've read - that they are handling this season properly. Regarding adults, I'm going to risk a barrage of "dislikes" here and say I don't think the program is bad or misleading.

We sometimes (many times) fool ourselves into thinking that as long as we can get around, things are OK. We are part of a society that wants no one to be offended, wants everyone to get an award for participating, wants everyone to feel they have done equally well just because they showed up, and many times wants to blame failure on "whatever" reason is handy. This is not real life and is the reason many of us have problems coping as adults.

The diets and workouts on Biggest Loser are extreme, yes. But look at the diet of someone who has had surgery to lose weight. It's extreme, too. Look at the diet and workout of a pro football player or a prize fighter. They are also extreme. The diet and workout regime on Biggest Loser are no different. They are extreme for a reason. To get a participant into the best shape possible in the allotted time. Winning losses are based on percentages, not actual weight - that's fair. Diet is based on healthy eating - that's a good lifestyle change. Exercise is strenuous, but if it isn't, you don't know what you're capable of and coast along. The fact that many of the participants continue to lose and get healthier after leaving the competition is evidence that success can be achieved at home. Yes, there is a potential monetary reward. But guidelines for continuing on your own are in place and success is possible outside of the show.

I think we have to look at Biggest Loser for what it is - a reality show that puts some of our population who may be in great danger of physical harm and may be ridiculed for their lifestyle on the right track. If there is exploitation, it is consensual. If there is huge failure after the show is over, then that participant wasn't serious about what they were doing in the first place. We make too many excuses for our condition. I was fat because I ate too much of the wrong foods. Period. Everyone's reasons are different, but that's the bottom line for almost anyone who is obese. We take drastic measures to attack cancer and other diseases. We need to take drastic measures to attack obesity. I think once you think of it in the same context as disease, extreme solutions make more sense.

Please don't hate me.

Lin

redreine
01-02-2013, 03:15 PM
Lin, I couldn't have said it better myself! :D

Mandalinn, thanks for setting the record straight! :)

Steph7409
01-02-2013, 08:24 PM
Lin, you make some really good points. I've never watched the show so I may be off base, but my biggest objection to it is that it seems to perpetuate the myth that everyone can loss 2-5 pounds a week if they try hard enough. And that's true for seriously heavy people (I myself lost 10 pounds a month for 6 months, going from 225 to 165) but not for people who want to lose 10-20 pounds.

Mandalinn, I read a short interview with Jillian Michaels and she seems to be highly aware of the difference between the kids and the adults she works with.

Goddess Jessica
01-03-2013, 01:06 PM
I love the show (for the most part) so i may be biased but I don't think it perpetuates the myth that anyone can lose 2-5 pounds a week because they are dealing with seriously heavy people and insane workout schedules. Of course, I go into watching it with the attitude that it's there for stories and struggles and ultimately, inspiration.

SarahFairhope
01-03-2013, 03:27 PM
Lin, you make some really good points. I've never watched the show so I may be off base, but my biggest objection to it is that it seems to perpetuate the myth that everyone can loss 2-5 pounds a week if they try hard enough. And that's true for seriously heavy people (I myself lost 10 pounds a month for 6 months, going from 225 to 165) but not for people who want to lose 10-20 pounds.

Now, I've only see a maybe two seasons? But I actually think the show does a good job showing how when people are within 20-40lbs of goal, its really hard to get a even a 2lbs/week loss when in the beginning they were getting a double digit loss a week.

April Snow
01-03-2013, 03:41 PM
I'm one of those who usually finds The Biggest Loser personally inspiring. I know that I'm not devoting hours and hours a day to exercise, and I don't expect to match their results. But seeing what they can do - people who often start off heavier and much more incapacitated than I am - makes me want to push myself that little bit extra when it comes to working out, and helps me remember to make the choices i want to make when it comes to eating.

Knowing that the new season is starting is actually part of what got me off my butt to come back here and commit to getting myself back on track. I've always used Sundays as my WI day, so that is my plan for my re-start.

As for the kids, if the way they are handled is as described upthread, then I think it's ok. I would be unlikely to put my own child on (if he were overweight) but then again, I wouldn't go on myself. Not for the way things were done, but just because I wouldn't choose to share that journey on TV. If I could do a BL program privately (and if I could afford to not work that whole time! lol!), I'd be all over it!

Jez
01-03-2013, 03:56 PM
They foster an unrealistic belief that anyone can lose weight quickly if they just work hard enough .... with the undertone that if you are fat then you must be lazy.. Why is this unrealistic? To be fair, a vast majority of fat people ARE fat because they're lazy or undisciplined. I know we are supposed to absolve everyone of personal responsibility, etc., but if you can't accept personal responsibility, then you lack the ability to change your situation. I refuse to do or believe that.

Amarantha2
01-03-2013, 04:29 PM
I like the show & pretty much think Lin's post said it for me.

Although I think I am somewhat uneasy with the children participating, no matter how carefully it is handled. I'd rather see BL setting up a foundation or something if they want to help fight childhood obesity.

Lemongrab
01-03-2013, 04:30 PM
Never followed the show before this but I just started watching it recently (Season 13). I'm curious how they can workout for 4-5 hours everyday at such high intensity and not get sore muscles the next day? No injuries?

About 13 yo and 16 yo in the next season...Well to start off, if they carry on their lifestyle at home which led to them being overweight... it's not healthy at all either and the longer they carry on with it the more used to it they get, the harder for them to change later and maybe they will get even bigger and it will cause them serious health problems at a young age. Not sure how they are going to train them on the show but I think it's better for them to start younger so they don't let the problem escalate further and miss out on their youth because of their weight problems (being bullied/ made fun of, can't wear fun clothes like other kids, play sports, feeling tired easily and can't focus on study, depression & etc.). I'm sure a lot of people who are overweight in their 20's wished they had dealt with it when they were younger. From the other post in this thread it seems they will be given different treatment than the adults so I don't know, maybe it wouldn't be as extreme for the 13 &16 yo :dunno: But what's for sure is that if they carry on growing up with their fat lifestyle, it's certainly not good for them.

Lemongrab
01-03-2013, 04:57 PM
And I know there are kids around that age watching the show too because I once lived with a family while I was studying abroad and they have a 15 yo daughter who is overweight and she watches the show every week and tries to learn from it how to lose weight but then they didn't have any kids on then so she was basically trying to do what was meant for adults and not for someone her age. I guess they do need to have some younger people on the show because it is a family show and there are kids watching and following the advice from the show.

mnemosyne
01-03-2013, 06:10 PM
Never followed the show before this but I just started watching it recently (Season 13). I'm curious how they can workout for 4-5 hours everyday at such high intensity and not get sore muscles the next day? No injuries?

They can't (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/18/kai-hibbard-biggest-loser_n_617414.html). And that is why I dislike the show.

Lemongrab
01-04-2013, 12:39 AM
They can't (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/18/kai-hibbard-biggest-loser_n_617414.html). And that is why I dislike the show.

^ Seems stuff like that is bound to happen on a show called the biggest loser. I knew some of them are probably getting sick when during that one chinese food temptation challenge they refuse to even eat 1 fortune cookie...it's just ridiculous, a fortune cookie probably has less calorie than an apple and it's not like they're going to start losing control cause there's no chinese food in the ranch anyway. But that's tv afterall, there are shows where people just gorge on food and now there's a show where people just compete to lose weight, different directions but both unhealthy. A show named the normal loser probably wouldn't get as much ratings and would probably get cancelled after the first season but the biggest loser is now going on to their 14th season, people just like seeing extraordinary things and as long as they have a lot of viewers they're going to keep making it and they're going to make it even more extraordinary to get more people talking and watching.

mnemosyne
01-04-2013, 09:54 AM
A show named the normal loser probably wouldn't get as much ratings and would probably get cancelled after the first season but the biggest loser is now going on to their 14th season, people just like seeing extraordinary things and as long as they have a lot of viewers they're going to keep making it and they're going to make it even more extraordinary to get more people talking and watching.

Heh. That is 100% true. Though III would watch a show called 'normal loser.' I used to watch reruns of Biggest Loser on Halo, where they reran old episodes about families. I didn't mind those, but I have big problems with the 'challenges' that involve 'tempting' foods and so many other aspects of the show. Ah, well.

linJber
01-04-2013, 07:05 PM
I'm not sure why anyone has a problem with the concept that you'll be sore after working out! Of course you will be sore! And you'll be hungry!

This is the whole problem with the obesity situation - we don't want to be sore, we don't want to be hungry. It doesn't work that way!

I read an article about how thin people and how fat people deal with hunger. I'm cutting several pages down to a short paragraph here, but the bottom line was this: Thin people feel hunger, look at a clock and realize mealtime is a short time away and WAIT to eat. Fat people feel hunger, look at a clock and realize mealtime is a short time away but choose to eat something RIGHT NOW because they don't want to feel hungry.

I LOVE it when I feel a bit hungry! It tells me I haven't been mindlessly snacking between meals. It tells me I'm aware of what's going on and am choosing to be in control. And as I used to tell my DD when she was small and whined that she was hungry and didn't want to wait 15 minutes for dinner to be ready - it is IMPOSSIBLE to starve to death between any 2 meals of the day. If we can all just get this in our heads, I think we'd be better off.

I usually don't get preachy in here. I really do realize that we all have to do this on our own terms and in our own way. But I also believe - FIRMLY - that most of us are slackers. Myself included. If we would just face the facts and realize we really can control this with exercise and low calorie eating, we'd make way better progress. But we are human, and we don't want things to be difficult. But being fat is difficult in it's own way. Just trade "difficults" and do it! We falter. We falter for long periods of time, perhaps. But if we just keep on plugging away, we should see results.

The contestants on BL are proof that hard work and healthy eating will pay off. I have never thought they foster the idea that anyone can lose 5 pounds a week. the fact that they use percentages is proof that they are being realistic. Look at the most successful members in 3FC and you'll see that they worked hard at losing and at maintaining. I doubt that any of us have the time to spend 8 hours a day working out. Be we all have the ability to be sore for a workout or to feel a bit hungry. When we do that, we probably will make better progress.

Lin

ladyrider72472
01-04-2013, 08:12 PM
I don't want to be "in your face to anyone here"....but I am gonna out on a limb and AGREE w Lin and Misspixie... I did this to myself-- I was lazy, depressed, complacent, whatever else it was... And I regained 45 pounds.. It was all me.... So now I have to do whatever measures I have to-- to get myself back... IMO when we sugarcoat things it makes it more acceptable. And when we say a child is being abused for being put on a show.. Well that's a little extreme in wording--- the flip side of sugar coating.

2feelbetter
01-07-2013, 09:57 AM
I stopped watching the Biggest Loser years ago. I got so fed up with the extreme way they did things but didn't show you how to eat properly.
I was flipping channels last night and saw they had kids on there I thought to myself OMG what are they going to do to these kids and I immediately turned it. Maybe I judged to fast based on what some of you are saying they are actually going to be doing.

JazzyPeggy
01-07-2013, 10:10 AM
They were awesome with the children.

April Snow
01-07-2013, 10:43 AM
They were awesome with the children.

I agree. I thought it was great that they integrated them a little bit with the adult teams but that they will mostly be at home - learning to live a healthy lifestyle with their families. Incorporating active fun into their lives, and learning how to eat a nutritious and healthy diet. I also appreciated that they cannot be eliminated - I wish they would do that for everyone. Maybe eliminate someone from the ability to win, but give everyone who makes it onto the show a minimum of 4-6 weeks on campus to really learn what they need to know going forward. I think they do actually give the ones sent home more resources now than they used to but it would be great if they really had a month of that intensity to build on, rather than just a week (even a biggest loser week which was probably more like 2 weeks in real time).

vabs
01-07-2013, 11:27 AM
Yeah, that entire show is abusive and exploitative. No adult or kid should be on that show.

I agree.

SMSDREAMER2007
01-07-2013, 12:04 PM
Just so you know there is a biggest loser forum on here;) as for the show neing exploitive and abusive. The adults CHOOSE to be on the show. I dont think its exploitive when they know what they are getting in to. We are 14 seasons in, if you dont know what its like by now then you shouldnt be trying to get on the show.

SmallSteps
01-07-2013, 12:13 PM
I have to agree I was impressed with the way they handled the children last night. I was very concerned when I heard about the kids being on the show but last night eased my mind.

LockItUp
01-07-2013, 12:13 PM
I love TBL! Always have, I've seen every single episode made.

It's not a HOW TO show, it's a reality show. Just like Survivor, or Top Chef, or whatever. People volunteer to go on, and they have to consider ratings and entertainment value. And they are competing for MONEY.

I think most people who watch it realize they aren't making it seem like people can lose that amount of weight at home. For goodness sake they show their workouts and talk about the hours upon hours they exercise every day. I'm certainly not willing to do that, yet I've lost a good crap ton of weight none the less and still enjoy the show, and did even through out the years I was obese and did nothing about it (because I was unwilling to, wanted to eat how much of whatever I wanted and refused to be active).

And like was mentioned several times above, the children are not participating as the adults are. Sometimes it's best not to judge without all the information.

mnemosyne
01-07-2013, 12:31 PM
I usually don't get preachy in here. I really do realize that we all have to do this on our own terms and in our own way. But I also believe - FIRMLY - that most of us are slackers. Myself included. If we would just face the facts and realize we really can control this with exercise and low calorie eating, we'd make way better progress. But we are human, and we don't want things to be difficult. But being fat is difficult in it's own way. Just trade "difficults" and do it! We falter. We falter for long periods of time, perhaps. But if we just keep on plugging away, we should see results.

The contestants on BL are proof that hard work and healthy eating will pay off. I have never thought they foster the idea that anyone can lose 5 pounds a week. the fact that they use percentages is proof that they are being realistic. Look at the most successful members in 3FC and you'll see that they worked hard at losing and at maintaining. I doubt that any of us have the time to spend 8 hours a day working out. Be we all have the ability to be sore for a workout or to feel a bit hungry. When we do that, we probably will make better progress.

The contestants on the Biggest Loser are NOT working out in a healthy manner. They are working out to the point of physical injury, and engaging in dangerous games whereby they DEHYDRATE THEMSELVES to the point of near-hospitalization in order to game the weigh-ins.

This is NOT good for them, nor is it good for significantly overweight people in general. Kai Hibbard, quoted in an ABC News interview in 2010.

"I'd put on a sports bra, a tank top, a t-shirt and a sweatshirt and then my spandex shorts, pants, sweatpants, a baseball cap and just zip it all up," she recalls. "I'd go to the gym, which had no air conditioner, and work out for two hours or as long as I could stand it without drinking water."

"Some people would drink water and just swish it around in their mouth and spit it out," said Hibbard. "But I couldn't do that, I knew I'd want to drink it."

Hibbard said that this was common practice for contestants in the hours leading up to the weigh-in, where whoever lost the least amount of weight that week would be sent home.

That is not hard work. That is disordered behavior. Bad enough when completely healthy and well-conditioned young athletes like wrestlers and boxers engage in it to 'make weight.' Even worse when significantly overweight people engage in it for entertainment under the guise of 'healthy' weight loss.