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BrittStar027
01-01-2013, 05:03 PM
I was on Ideal for about eight months and lost about 40 lbs. I was happy with my success but the cost became very inhibitive. I was doing well but decided to try weight watchers instead. Needless to say, weight watchers didn't work out and i have fallen off the wagon pretty badly.

After many failed diets and an inability to lose more than five pounds, i'm considering going back to what i know worked. I'm committed to making a more permanent change in my lifestyle (life is a whole lot more normal). Has anyone had good results with IP alternatives? If yes, what have you used?

I need to lose a great deal of weight at this point and really need some help and support. Any ideas, suggestions or tips are greatly appreciated!


Billster
01-01-2013, 05:23 PM
I did ip out if a clinic last year phased off and gained most of the weight back. Nov 15 i started back on using alternatives and have lost a fair amount in 6 weeks. I however adapted the ip alternative plan for diabetics - im not but it allows me to choose a fruit/ dairy/ carb per day, some people on here frown about it as its not "100%" OP however this is a support site not judgement and i don not promote how i do things but willing to share if it helps another. Still losing 2-3 per week and im happy with that. This works for me however may not for you. I buy my ip alternatives from costco or walmart. If your in the USA you may have more options. There are many feeds on here that will allow you to see what products others use. From what i see from others they have the same weight loss as those who go to a clinic do. Hard part is staying accountable to yourself.

maezy1
01-01-2013, 05:28 PM
Hey Brittstar! there are a bunch of link to alternatives in the tops section but to answer your question YES!alternative products work ! I am paying less than a third of what it cost me on IP products. Basically what I did was pull up the nutritional label on the IP products from the www.plainprotein.com and tried to match as closely as I could with other products on www. lindora.com and www.nashua.com I use the pure protien bars from wal Mart as my bar substitute. its been really really easy and I have had the same success with it. I'm going to attach the comparison sheet for you. As Billister says stay accountable. Pick a weigh in day and post your weigh in on here
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BrittStar027
01-01-2013, 05:33 PM
I was reading some previous IP Alternative posts and some people mentioned Syntrax Nectar. Has anyone tried any of those flavors? Which do you like the best?
-Brittany

tam67green
01-01-2013, 05:55 PM
Hey Brittstar! there are a bunch of link to alternatives in the tops section but to answer your question YES!alternative products work ! I am paying less than a third of what it cost me on IP products. Basically what I did was pull up the nutritional label on the IP products from the www.plainprotein.com and tried to match as closely as I could with other products on www. lindora.com and www.nashua.com I use the pure protien bars from wal Mart as my bar substitute. its been really really easy and I have had the same success with it. I'm going to attach the comparison sheet for you. As Billister says stay accountable. Pick a weigh in day and post your weigh in on here
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Hi Maezy,
Wow, thanks for posting that comparison sheet! I have been thinking about doing alternatives for at least some things, and that sheet will come in handy! I saved it to my desk top. I bought some EAS Carb Shakes at Wal-Mart the other day, and thought they were pretty good. The savings as opposed to buying the chocolate drink from IP were also pretty good!

I'm glad to see you posting again! Hope you are doing well, post-surgery...take care of yourself! :)

maezy1
01-01-2013, 06:53 PM
tam67green thx! I am doing MUCH better than I was so I am happy. Ive been ordering from Nashua but found some great plain drink mix at Sam's that is very comparable to IP. I figure with flavorings from ToRino and extracts. I'll let you know how that goes. I love the Pure Protein bars esp the peanut butter ones.
Billister You are on IP ! doesn't really matter whether it is regular protocol sheet or alternative protocol sheet.

evepet
01-01-2013, 07:20 PM
I was on Ideal for about eight months and lost about 40 lbs. I was happy with my success but the cost became very inhibitive. I was doing well but decided to try weight watchers instead. Needless to say, weight watchers didn't work out and i have fallen off the wagon pretty badly.

After many failed diets and an inability to lose more than five pounds, i'm considering going back to what i know worked. I'm committed to making a more permanent change in my lifestyle (life is a whole lot more normal). Has anyone had good results with IP alternatives? If yes, what have you used?

I need to lose a great deal of weight at this point and really need some help and support. Any ideas, suggestions or tips are greatly appreciated!

I lost all but the first week of weight loss here while using alternative products. I learned so much I decided to write a blog in order to help others who wanted to 'go alternative' .... see the link in my signature below. You may find it useful.

scorbett1103
01-01-2013, 07:26 PM
Definitely take the time to read through the alternatives threads, there is a lot of information but those of us on alternatives have taken a lot of time to answer questions there, and you may find answers you didn't even know you were looking for :)

I have been on alternatives since week 10 (going into week 23 now) and my losses didn't change at all - plus I didn't have the added stress of meeting the high cost of IP every week! You have to do a lot more legwork yourself, check every label and ingredient list, and keep track for yourself what is restricted and what is not, but after a while it becomes second nature.

learning to fly
01-01-2013, 07:44 PM
Not only they are cheaper and they work just as well, many of them are positively DELICIOUS!!!! Better tasting than IP!

(I should note that bars and restricted products were not among the ones I sampled so far; the reason is that I am avoiding soy and also I am fairly sensitive to sugar, so I think they will bring my cravings back/up. Therefore, so far I've only tried some alternative puddings, shakes, drinks, and soups.)

maezy1
01-01-2013, 08:13 PM
EVEPET thanks!!! getting ready for order no. 2!

zweezers
01-01-2013, 08:40 PM
Learning to Fly, I noticed you are from Ontario. So am I! Do you mind sharing what you have tried? I'd really like to lower my costs as well! I just placed an order from Protein Well for the chocolate drink, hot cocoa, vanilla pudding and the chocolate dream bar. Hope they taste good!! SO much cheaper!

lisa32989
01-01-2013, 08:46 PM
Billister You are on IP ! doesn't really matter whether it is regular protocol sheet or alternative protocol sheet.
Agreed! There are many reasons why someone would be on the alternate protocol & absolutely no reason why it wouldn't be considered 100% OP

Billster
01-01-2013, 09:07 PM
Agreed! There are many reasons why someone would be on the alternate protocol & absolutely no reason why it wouldn't be considered 100% OP

Thanks ladies makes me feel better! I have had some people say some nasty things as im not diabetic however my doctor wanted me to do it this way. It works for me however lots of people say its not OP because i have fruit dairy and carbs. Not all 3 every day but at least one choice a day. Lost a fair amount in 7 weeks so it works for me. However thank you it means a lot to me that people are still supportive.

Halfagain
01-01-2013, 09:43 PM
I was reading some previous IP Alternative posts and some people mentioned Syntrax Nectar. Has anyone tried any of those flavors? Which do you like the best?
-Brittany
Hi BrittStar,
I bought Syntrax Nectar, Fuzzy Navel flavor. It was not a big hit with me, but I should have known. I have not liked the fruit flavors so much in any drink powders. It wasn't horrible, but not something I wanted to drink daily. I am very tempted to try a chocolate flavor of the brand. It has really good stats as far as alternatives on IP goes.

I have really liked the EAS AdvantEDGE Carb Control shakes from WalMart or other stores like Safeway carry them too. I buy Proti-thin or Weight Loss Systems items (bars, sloppy joe, chili, chicken soup, hot chocolate) from Nashua as well. Chicken soup I like the WLS ones - the proti-thin ones just aren't salty - flavorful - something isn't as good about them.

Anyway check out the alternative threads :-) there's lots of info to be found. I stumbled into IP via alternatives (long story) so I've been doing it this way from day one. I've been happy with the process and the foods I've found.

CortneyMarie622
01-01-2013, 10:21 PM
Just wanted to say welcome. There are many of us who use alternatives. I did the clinic for almost 3 months and have done alternatives for the last 6ish weeks. I took a planned break for 1.5 weeks over Christmas and am now back at it to get off the last 15 or so. As far as the diabetic version...that is most certainly OP, and I think that everyone has to find what works for them. For me, for example, I really needed the "break" (I was purposeful about maintaining not going crazy) and now I feel ready to grind away for another couple months. What matters is that you find what works for you and keep at it.

bubbleblower
01-02-2013, 07:23 AM
I lost all but the first week of weight loss here while using alternative products. I learned so much I decided to write a blog in order to help others who wanted to 'go alternative' .... see the link in my signature below. You may find it useful.

Thanks so much for the link to your blog! I've only started reading through it but I wanted to say thanks for all the helpful info! I, too, love my IP Cappuccino in my morning coffee! Nice to know there's a good alternative.

BrittStar027
01-02-2013, 12:15 PM
I just ordered a variety pack of Syntrex Nectar. I'm excited for them to come in so i can get started back on full fledge IP (with alternatives). Meanwhile i'm just using "whole foods" to get myself started and into ketosis. It sounds trite, but i've missed the clean eating and the feeling of control that comes with this diet. My boyfriend is doing the diet with me which is really encouraging. I did IP with my mom the first time and we both experienced great results. It's nice to have the support of someone in your home as well as the support of a forum like 3FC. I couldn't have done it the first time without this site! Here's the the second time around!

scorbett1103
01-02-2013, 12:24 PM
I just had the Syntrax Caribbean Cooler after my run - it's very blue, but good :)

Just a hint with those - don't go too crazy if you mix it in the shaker, they foam a LOT - I either mix with a whisk by hand, or GENTLY shake it :)

kileymed13
01-02-2013, 01:02 PM
I just had the Syntrax Caribbean Cooler after my run - it's very blue, but good :)

Just a hint with those - don't go too crazy if you mix it in the shaker, they foam a LOT - I either mix with a whisk by hand, or GENTLY shake it :)

I just bought a few from our favorite local nurtition store ;). Thanks for the tip. I am now doing more than 50% alternatives. I love the IP chocolate shake and cappucino too much and hope to find an alternative. I went into my appointment today thinking it may be my goodbye appointment but my coach was actually helpful and made some good suggestions about what I should do to increase my exercise and still be ok on the program so she will see me at least a few more times.

scorbett1103
01-02-2013, 05:27 PM
I just bought a few from our favorite local nurtition store ;). Thanks for the tip. I am now doing more than 50% alternatives. I love the IP chocolate shake and cappucino too much and hope to find an alternative. I went into my appointment today thinking it may be my goodbye appointment but my coach was actually helpful and made some good suggestions about what I should do to increase my exercise and still be ok on the program so she will see me at least a few more times.

Try the Syntrax Nectar cappuccino. I am ready to buy the giant tub, it was very good :) I got one of the single serve packets and now I'm hooked!

bubbleblower
01-02-2013, 05:33 PM
Try the Syntrax Nectar cappuccino. I am ready to buy the giant tub, it was very good :) I got one of the single serve packets and now I'm hooked!

Excellent! I'll have to check that out, too. Love my cappuccino!

learning to fly
01-02-2013, 07:37 PM
Learning to Fly, I noticed you are from Ontario. So am I! Do you mind sharing what you have tried? I'd really like to lower my costs as well! I just placed an order from Protein Well for the chocolate drink, hot cocoa, vanilla pudding and the chocolate dream bar. Hope they taste good!! SO much cheaper!

Of course tastes differ a lot, but this is what I liked so far (I haven't yet tried a huge amount but will eventually): I got all of these from Nashua Nutrition:

WLS (Weight Loss System):
- Hazelnut Chocolate shake/pudding
- Cocomint shake/pudding
- Butterscotch shake/pudding
- Chocolate Cream shake/pudding

Health Smart:
- Berry smoothie
- Peach-Mango drink (tastes nicer than IP peach-mango)

Proti-Thin:
- Orange drink (tastes nicer than IP orange drink). Also I like to add 2 teaspoons of no-sugar orange flavour psyllium husks (Equate brand from Walmart because it's cheaper than Metamucil) and a juice of 1 lemon or lime. This adds extra fiber my guts require and also alkalizes the body.

Proti-Diet (this brand I ordered from Canada protein-well, but is also available on Nashua):
- bacon and cheese omelet (love that simulated bacon taste :))
- I tried green tea & cranberry drink and was surprised how good it tasted. It's not so much that it had a lot of taste, more like it was so mild and refreshing and lovely - most products have very in-your-face fake sweetness taste, but this one tasted "natural". It was lovely when you want something mild that is not going to assault your taste buds.

I have lots more products at home but haven't tried most of them yet. One shake/pudding that I did not like at all (couldn't finish it) was Chocolate-Chery shake/pudding from "Nashua Nutrition". But I could never stomach that fake cherry taste, so I am not surprised.

I love drinks and puddings and shakes. Sometimes I like soups. I also do like salty snacks - my only restricted that I have sometimes (so far I've only had IP ones).

Also, I don't know if you know, but there is a "Canada Thread": http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/258777-canada-thread.html and like others pointed out, there are several alternative products threads.

I'm in Northwest Ontario, are you anywhere near there?

Bellamack
01-02-2013, 07:40 PM
If you like the cappucino, I use chocolate protein drink with cold pressed coffee and it is great. I like using the flavored coffees.

bubbleblower
01-02-2013, 07:48 PM
If you like the cappucino, I use chocolate protein drink with cold pressed coffee and it is great. I like using the flavored coffees.

Great idea! Thanks!

Chloe222
01-02-2013, 08:29 PM
Thanks ladies makes me feel better! I have had some people say some nasty things as im not diabetic however my doctor wanted me to do it this way. It works for me however lots of people say its not OP because i have fruit dairy and carbs. Not all 3 every day but at least one choice a day. Lost a fair amount in 7 weeks so it works for me. However thank you it means a lot to me that people are still supportive.

Of course we support you! And you have a great weight loss so far. Keep up the good work and keep posting. I use alternatives also, but began 2 years + ago using only IP and did that for 2 months (then moved and fell off the IP wagon with the huge changes in my life). Then last year, started again and my weight loss for the first 2 months was identical using alternatives. Can't say if it would have been any different if I used IP branded products long term, but can't see why they would be.

My favorites from last summer: Proti-Thin Cream of Vegetable soup, Proti-Diet Pea Soup, Proti-Diet pancake mix, Proti-Diet oatmeal (note maple brown sugar has maybe 7 carbs making it unrestricted unlike the IP version), I make eight 2 oz. white turkey meat burgers from 1 pound of ground turkey breast once a week and freeze them in a zip lock bag and hard boil a couple of eggs to keep in the fridge. I use Miracle Noodles (fettucine) every day for lunch – usually with soup and veggies so have a “pasta primavera” of sorts. Buy Miracle Noodles (0,0,0,) from www.iherb.com (http://www.iherb.com) , free S&H over $20.00 plus also get my flavored stevia from them for my coffee and flavoring my vanilla pudding (stevia: English toffee, chocolate, vanilla crème, hazelnut, etc – I have all of them). Because I exercise 5 X week (2 X with weights, 3X Power plate plus dog walking) I at times, will add a 2 oz turkey patty at lunch and then have 6 oz. protein at dinner. Meanwhile I’m drinking 30 ounce tumblers of Mio flavored water (drink 4/day). I use a lot of Waldon Farms products and have to buy some of them online since don’t have the full array locally (www.netrition.com (http://www.netrition.com), flat $4.95 S&H). I put spinach in my milkshakes with ice cubes to extend them and get more veggies in. Use Proti-Thin vanilla and chocolate drinks but also the GNC Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein powder mentioned earlier. The Proti-Thin packets are handy to travel with so keep them for that.
Re IP, love the broc cheese soup, so that is the one product I buy from them (www.plainprotein.com (http://www.plainprotein.com)). Their drinks and puddings are good, but hard to spend 5X more than what it costs to buy in bulk from GNC (Optimum Nutrition protein powder – buy on sale – $.75/serving.)
One thing I noticed is the Proti-Thin and Proti-DIET products mix better with water than IP.


I have a Proti-Diet pancake with Walden Farms pancake syrup every morning. Very filling. They have a blueberry pancake also. I add a tsp of vanilla extract to the batter, tasty, satisfying. 100 calories, 7 carbs or less - so unrestricted in the IP world.


Lunch is Proti-Thin Cream of Vegetable soup or Proti-Diet Pea soup to which I add 1 cup of chopped steamed zucchini and a bag of miracle noodles in fettuccine style. This is similar to a fettuccine alfredo every day. Add green salad with cucumber and celery and WF dressing. Sometimes I add 2 oz of protein to the lunch and subtract from that from dinner portion.

Snack is Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 100% whey protein powder in Double Rich Chocolate flavor. I buy it at GNC, often on sale, cost is $.75/serving. I add a c of fresh spinach and ice cubes, vanilla extract or vanilla or chocolate flavored stevia and whirl in the ninja chopper. I drink some of it and split the remainder between 2 sm pyrex cups and put in the freezer. I have one of these mid afternoon, one at bedtime.

Dinner is protein, unrestricted veggies, always a salad with WF dressing.

IMPORTANT: My favorite bar is hard to say - I love to buy Nashua Nutrition's HealthSmart Variety Pack of bars and as a matter of fact, bought 3 boxes that were delivered today. I highly recommend these. I expect to use these sparingly but have a ski vacation coming up and there will be daily happy hours and other somewhat challenging times, so I'll have tea and a bar while my hubby and 2 other couples drink and eat all the usual contraband stuff everyday.

Cost per week is around $35. I use www.nashuanutrition.com (http://www.nashuanutrition.com). There are others. I have to buy some of the walden farms products over the internet so for that I use www.netrition.com (http://www.netrition.com). For flavored liquid stevias and Miracle Noodles, I use www.iherb.com (http://www.iherb.com).

Hope that helps. It's not hard to do this diet inexpensively and still get great results.

Chloe222
01-02-2013, 09:14 PM
Heard the promo is still in effect at www.nashuanutrition.com. Promo code is HOLIDAY49 for free shipping.

bubbleblower
01-02-2013, 09:21 PM
My favorites from last summer: Proti-Thin Cream of Vegetable soup, Proti-Diet Pea Soup, Proti-Diet pancake mix, Proti-Diet oatmeal (note maple brown sugar has maybe 7 carbs making it unrestricted unlike the IP version), I make eight 2 oz. white turkey meat burgers from 1 pound of ground turkey breast once a week and freeze them in a zip lock bag and hard boil a couple of eggs to keep in the fridge. I use Miracle Noodles (fettucine) every day for lunch – usually with soup and veggies so have a “pasta primavera” of sorts. Buy Miracle Noodles (0,0,0,) from www.iherb.com (http://www.iherb.com) , free S&H over $20.00 plus also get my flavored stevia from them for my coffee and flavoring my vanilla pudding (stevia: English toffee, chocolate, vanilla crème, hazelnut, etc – I have all of them). Because I exercise 5 X week (2 X with weights, 3X Power plate plus dog walking) I at times, will add a 2 oz turkey patty at lunch and then have 6 oz. protein at dinner. Meanwhile I’m drinking 30 ounce tumblers of Mio flavored water (drink 4/day). I use a lot of Waldon Farms products and have to buy some of them online since don’t have the full array locally (www.netrition.com (http://www.netrition.com), flat $4.95 S&H). I put spinach in my milkshakes with ice cubes to extend them and get more veggies in. Use Proti-Thin vanilla and chocolate drinks but also the GNC Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein powder mentioned earlier. The Proti-Thin packets are handy to travel with so keep them for that.
Re IP, love the broc cheese soup, so that is the one product I buy from them (www.plainprotein.com (http://www.plainprotein.com)). Their drinks and puddings are good, but hard to spend 5X more than what it costs to buy in bulk from GNC (Optimum Nutrition protein powder – buy on sale – $.75/serving.)
One thing I noticed is the Proti-Thin and Proti-DIET products mix better with water than IP.


I have a Proti-Diet pancake with Walden Farms pancake syrup every morning. Very filling. They have a blueberry pancake also. I add a tsp of vanilla extract to the batter, tasty, satisfying. 100 calories, 7 carbs or less - so unrestricted in the IP world.


Lunch is Proti-Thin Cream of Vegetable soup or Proti-Diet Pea soup to which I add 1 cup of chopped steamed zucchini and a bag of miracle noodles in fettuccine style. This is similar to a fettuccine alfredo every day. Add green salad with cucumber and celery and WF dressing. Sometimes I add 2 oz of protein to the lunch and subtract from that from dinner portion.

Snack is Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 100% whey protein powder in Double Rich Chocolate flavor. I buy it at GNC, often on sale, cost is $.75/serving. I add a c of fresh spinach and ice cubes, vanilla extract or vanilla or chocolate flavored stevia and whirl in the ninja chopper. I drink some of it and split the remainder between 2 sm pyrex cups and put in the freezer. I have one of these mid afternoon, one at bedtime.

Dinner is protein, unrestricted veggies, always a salad with WF dressing.

IMPORTANT: My favorite bar is hard to say - I love to buy Nashua Nutrition's HealthSmart Variety Pack of bars and as a matter of fact, bought 3 boxes that were delivered today. I highly recommend these. I expect to use these sparingly but have a ski vacation coming up and there will be daily happy hours and other somewhat challenging times, so I'll have tea and a bar while my hubby and 2 other couples drink and eat all the usual contraband stuff everyday.

Cost per week is around $35. I use www.nashuanutrition.com (http://www.nashuanutrition.com). There are others. I have to buy some of the walden farms products over the internet so for that I use www.netrition.com (http://www.netrition.com). For flavored liquid stevias and Miracle Noodles, I use www.iherb.com (http://www.iherb.com).

Hope that helps. It's not hard to do this diet inexpensively and still get great results.



Wow! So much good info here! Thanks so much - I'm saving this. I'm still using primarily IP but getting a bit bored already with the selection, and the price is pretty crazy considering what other equivalent options cost.

Chloe222
01-03-2013, 09:14 PM
I mentioned previously that the only IP branded product that I buy is their broccoli and cheddar soup. I found a version at Nashua Nutrition by Proti Thin and its called Broc N Cheese, has 7 carbs, 100 calories, don't recall the protein count.

The Broc N Cheese is definitely not a favorite, not the same thing. I only bought 1 box and I'll use it - will probably make it the base of another soup - add veggies and maybe some clams to it or make it a sauce for a mock veggie alfredo and add some strong spices (garlic orOld bay). So I'll continue to buy the IP brand of this product!

Lolo70
01-04-2013, 09:57 PM
I just got my Nashua order with the Syntrax Nectar samples. Liked the first sample (thanks Scorbett).

I also wondered whether anybody had tasted the new IP pasta and compared it with the Proti-Thin pasta (the Fusilli)? The Proti-thin pasta has only 7g carbs (34g total pasta) whereas the IP version has 12g (42g total pasta). I tasted the Proti-Thin version and it is quite ok, but not excellent. The IP pasta seems to be made from similar ingredients and I wondered whether they tasted the same/better/worse? Price and carb content argue for Proti-Thin.

NavyMommy
01-05-2013, 07:40 AM
FYI, I was just getting ready to order a new cappuccino alternative, and discovered you can get the big tub of the Syntrax Nectar Cappuccino for $30 on Amazon with free 2 day shipping if you're a prime member. I know some of you were talking about ordering the big tub so I thought I would mention it. I personally can't live without my morning cappuccino so I think I am going to bite the bullet and get it.

One question though, for those who have tried both, which do you prefer, the Syntrax Nectar or the HealthSmart Foods ChocoRite Protein Shake Mix Cappuccino?

I need to get an alternative lined up for me ASAP because I don't have many IP ones left. I will piddle along for a few days without it if I have to, but it just makes my morning so much more pleasant :)