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devadiva
12-17-2012, 11:41 PM
Is anyone out there doing the virgin diet? Just wondering think I may give it a whirl after X mas.Seems like a good time. deals with a lot of eliminations in the diet...seems like a can do!


classykaren
12-18-2012, 11:21 AM
Hello I just did some research on this I think I am going on the plan. Was just on web site interesting.:):carrot:

devadiva
12-21-2012, 09:39 AM
Iam the one that started the post though I have not started yet.....Too many out of town being someone's COMPAnY this week will start next week. Though as stated by another I am not for a change doing the pig out thing first.
That being said if anyone had read her it is not ALLERGIES it is an intolerance to foods. And her idea is to take the key culprits away ..see how it goes for at least 3weeks.And add them back to see if you have problems.
By now most off us know what we should be eating to lose weight and the amount of calories.. And how to exercise enough.....I feel this book is for those
of us that DO all those things and have trouble losing weight.
I am one of those,I am quite interested in trying this truly it is not much different than how I eat normally but NIX all glue ten,and artificial sweeteners.
And as stated earlier "you get what you put in" or as Virgin would say leave out.


nelie
12-21-2012, 02:24 PM
Let us know how it goes. I haven't really seen any science to back up the intolerances that seem to be key to many of the newer diets, it seems to be pseudoscience but that doesn't mean you won't lose weight. A lot of high calorie foods contain gluten, dairy, sugar and what not so it helps you cut calories in that way.

If you are a calorie counter, I'd say keep counting calories to compare how many calories you are eating now vs after. And overall, if you feel better and it helps you lose weight then that is a good thing.

I also advise those that follow her blog, read her book, etc, to not use her as a primary resource. Check your facts because based on her blog, I see quite a bit of false information.

pattygirl63
12-22-2012, 03:42 PM
Bought the book today. Not sure what I will do with the info since I'm not looking for a new diet. Just like learning new things.

Suzanne 3FC
12-22-2012, 04:46 PM
I haven't read the book, but I think it sounds pretty gimmicky. I'm all for eating clean, especially eating organic foods and cutting out junk food. I'm not sure the elimination diet has as much of an effect on weight loss as the fact that those who follow this are being presented with a gimmick that causes them to pay more attention to what they eat, and end up eating less. That's how most gimmicky diets work, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm bothered by the amount of expensive supplements that are sold on her website. If you buy the protein powder and basic vitamin supplements suggested, you'll pay $170 a month for something you can pay much, much less elsewhere. Then you still have to buy all of your food. Honestly, if you eat a balanced diet with plenty of fruits, vegetables, and lean proteins, then you don't need anything else. :shrug:

nelie
12-22-2012, 05:27 PM
This thread has been majorly pruned because apparently JJ Virgin was prompting people (who aren't 3FC members) to sign up and post in this thread. Perhaps JJ and her followers don't understand the purpose of 3FC. We aren't a diet review site, we aren't a site for post and run. The purpose of the 3FC community is to support people within this community.

We also do welcome new members but what we don't want this thread to devolve into is what apparently occurred where people signed up just to post in this thread. If you are a new member and want to join the community, please let us know but if you have no plans to join the community, feel free to continue to use whatever support resources you are using currently.

pattygirl63
12-22-2012, 08:48 PM
I stated earlier that I bought the book. I haven't read much yet, but the basic thing I got out of it that I like is the idea of eliminating certain groups of foods for 21 days and then begin adding them back into your way of eating 1 at a time to see if you have any intolerance reactions. If not keep that food in your food plan and then add one of the others etc until you find out which of the food/s your body doesn't tolerate. Ex, I have already given up one of the foods such as peanuts months ago because I always had a sinus allergy reaction when I ate them. I don't think there's anything wrong with following the plan to learn such things as it just might be helpful to some people. It just has to do with whether you want to do it or even need to. My Daddy has a lot of allergies and because of things his doc told him he says he knows he probably is allergic to dairy products, but he isn't willing to give it up. So the book would do him no good. Also I'm not sure everyone would have to follow the diet book to learn such things. As I said I learned about the peanuts on my own.

I believe I will do the 21 day elimination and start adding back certain foods because I already suspect my body doesn't tolerate one or 2 of the other food groups she mentions. I saw where someone is starting this on Dec 26th so I'll do it with you. I actually believe it will be very helpful to me. JMHO

Nelie Thanks for pruning the thread. I've been a member of 3fc for a many years. I only trust the things I read by those I have learned are regulars on here for many years as well. I am so grateful for 3fc and all I learn here... whether I agree with all or not. I enjoy the support we are able to get and give on this website.

pattygirl63
12-22-2012, 08:57 PM
Let us know how it goes. I haven't really seen any science to back up the intolerances that seem to be key to many of the newer diets, it seems to be pseudoscience but that doesn't mean you won't lose weight. A lot of high calorie foods contain gluten, dairy, sugar and what not so it helps you cut calories in that way.

If you are a calorie counter, I'd say keep counting calories to compare how many calories you are eating now vs after. And overall, if you feel better and it helps you lose weight then that is a good thing.

I also advise those that follow her blog, read her book, etc, to not use her as a primary resource. Check your facts because based on her blog, I see quite a bit of false information.

I agree with you Nelie on everything you said. I know enough about diets that you can't take EVERY WORD WRITTEN IN A BOOK as "GOSPEL TRUTH". Most things are from a persons experience and/or based on their opinions. I've have finally learned over the years that most people who are successful at losing and keeping the weight off have taken a diet and then customized it to fit their woe to make it work for them. I hope to be one of those people myself.

devadiva
12-23-2012, 10:24 PM
I started this post and am a little P.O. That my simple question was turned into such a negative thread.As you can see I have been a member for several years and am disappointed that YOU have decided for everyone this doesn't work.And who says what and delete them .......HOW would anyone from VIrgins site even know I posted???? You sound paranoid!
Also you DO NOT have to drink the shakes or take the supplements.As stated you can do all that by eating right.
I don't think it's the weight loss miracle or anything close. I just felt for me things like gluten do cause me some issues...experimenting without it for 3 weeks is a good thing for me.

pattygirl63
12-24-2012, 02:21 AM
devadiva I'm reading the book and so much of it makes sense to me. I planned to start it Dec 26 but may have to weight until next week end to get into it full swing. I'm cutting out some things now kind of easing into it. I had a book on Candida years ago and from what I remember about that book it recommended some of the things she does. I looked for my Candids book tonight but guess I lost it. It had some wonderful recipes for fresh kraut I learned to make back when I had Candida that I absolutely loved that is supposed to help with digestive track and candida.

I already know by process of eliminatation on my own over the years which things my body doesn't tolerate wheat and some dairy. I worked with a friend once who owned a health food store and so much of what he told me she also tells in her book. So I'm going with it.

My DH has a lot of health problems that I think are caused by inflamation. I've already started some of her suggestions for both of us. I personally appreciate you starting this thread or I never would have bought the book. So thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Oh, good luck on your journey with it.

nelie
12-24-2012, 09:20 AM
I wrote Devadiva separately but just wanted to say every diet 'works'. My personal, non-mod opinion is that many diets out there try to sound scientific but often they use flaky research or misinterpret it. The blood type diet is one of those diets based on faulty research but or some people, it works, not because of the so-called science but because of the calorie reduction.

That is why I think you should also look into yourself if you are interested in the science aspects. If you don't care about the science and want to lose weight, I'm sure cutting out gluten, sugar, peanuts, and dairy will result in weight loss for the majority of people. Also, it appears that you are possibly low carbing during the first phase of the diet? That can also result in a dramatic water and glycogen weight loss for most people.

I'm currently reading an exercise book which talks about how 30-40 years ago, you really had to work at it to be obese. Our change in obesity levels is fairly recent. The answer may lie in a few places including food. Everything from bread to meat has been made easier to chew making it easier to get more calories in. It seems our food supply is not working for us but rather against us. Then there is the fact that our activity levels have dropped dramatically in the last 30-40 years.

Anyway, as long as you are getting enough calories and nutrients, I'm not personally against any diet. It is hard to lose and maintain weight loss so I wish you guys luck.

pattygirl63
12-24-2012, 06:02 PM
I was going to start the diet itself next week end, but I don't believe that I will have to. I believe I can take some ideas from it and modify my low carb woe and make it better.

Nelie My doctor told me that it has proven scientifically that any diet wil work. He said the key is finding the one that you can live with. So you are correct about any diet will work. I think it is wonderful when a person can either find a diet that works for them or that they can modify to make it work for them. I read a book once that was a collection of successful dieters and how they had learned to lose weight and keep it off. They had to have maintained or kept their weight off for at least 3 yrs. Doing what my doctor said and modifying basic diets was how they had become successful.

I hope Devadiva doesn't get discouraged and stop doing what she has learned is working for her.

devadiva
12-25-2012, 11:01 AM
I was not discouraged BY what I decided to do,it was how this matter was handled by the site.
I believe ANYTHING works if you work it.......my whole point was..when I am fiollowing the program I do best with I already do ALL the things suggested except gluten free ( it was mostly )and eggless,So in reality it does work for me,I know my body.. I am 60, and had kept a 44lb weight loss for 2 1/2 years ,my recent gain was due to not following what I had been doing and eating bread .

pattygirl63
12-25-2012, 11:02 PM
Devadiva I don't plan to go with it 100% because I already know that eggs don't hurt me and I know that some dairy does and some don't. I've kind of learned a lot of this stuff on my own, but the book kind of confirms and explains why some foods cause me trouble that are supposed to be so healthy. When I was diagnosed diabetic T2, I tested after a lot of foods and my doc and I were amazed that (for example) that regular oatmeal caused my blood sugar to skyrocket. It is supposed to be great for you, but as my doc said "The numbers don't lie". Learned from my step-brother that it was best thing a diabetic could do especially in the beginning is to test and learn which foods you could and could not eat by testing after eating your foods rather than trust what a diet/diet book says you can and cannot eat.

I'm glad you didn't get discouraged. Personally I believe it is my right/duty in doing what works for me. MY HEALTH DEPENDS ON IT. I'm 69 and I have to look at things differently than I did when I was younger. JMHO

devadiva
12-25-2012, 11:51 PM
Thanks Patty : I agree I was begining to feel I did not fit the cookie cuttter...I pick and choose what works and thats how I learn..part of my weight gain was due to negative people........Tying to purge them along with the other things that don't work!!!!!

classykaren
12-26-2012, 03:12 AM
I am glad to see that you are still here with us devadiva. I dont like a lot of vegetables, can't afford organic but I am going to try this anyway. Giving up bread and sugar will help me. I am still reading the book

pattygirl63
12-26-2012, 02:19 PM
I was never overweight until I started eating "healthy" as they call it and eating the way Everybody said you "have to eat" to be healthy. Now I'm learning eat the way that works for "my" body. If it doesn't fit someone else idea... tuff because their way doesn't work for me.

I actually didn't eat that far off yesterday and am back into full swing of my plan today.

Have a great day.

capricious
12-27-2012, 01:45 PM
Hello all. I've been a regular on 3fc in the ideal protein thread. That diet worked wonderfully for losing weight quickly and I maintained very well for 8 months before I started adding in. Then summer rolled around and I got caught up in being carefree.. Which of course is death to a diet ;)
I had a few negative side effects such as hair loss and brain fog. But the worst has been a vitamin/ mineral deficiency that comes on in the form of extreme muscle cramping in my legs. After being pretty much laughed out of my western dr.'s office when I inquired as to whether it could be tied to my diet I decided to consult a naturopath as they believe a bit more firmly in the effects of diet on physiological function. The elimination diet was proposed by the naturopath or in lieu I could do a blood test that would check my IgG levels in response to certain foods. IgG is purported to example food intolerances although his test is a very gray area that is much debated. Anyway. Came back that I'm intolerant to wheat, dairy, eggs, gluten. And my candida levels were high enough to warrant concern meaning that sugars should also be watched. I was looking through the book store for recipes to accommodate...and came across the Virgin diet book. Which encapsulated my intolerances and provided a plan. I do better with a plan... Otherwise it gets overwhelming.
Inflammation is not something which is seen as it is taking place on the inside. In all honesty I love eggs. Have always considered them a super food. They are portable, filling, tasty and nutritious. They are also the thing I had the highest reaction to. I would never have thought this.
In regards to expense...
Vega protein powder is easily obtainable from most grocery stores and health food providers. It really isn't much more costly than whey or soy protein and it isn't packed full of additives.
While I do need to lose the excess weight I've put since faltering a bit in maintenance my higher concern is my health. I am 32 and I do not want to be facing a slew of health concerns later in life because I've ignored advice at this point.
Many cancers and auto immune diseases are associated with the digestive tract. If it is constantly being put under stress from unknown inflammatories this comes at a price over the years.
So Devadiva I'm with you...
There is much to be said for discovering irritants to the system and eliminating them.
I planned my daily intake like this:
Breakfast:
1 scoop vega powder mix
1 cup spinach
1 T Chia seeds

Morning snack:
17 almonds ( or a 100 cal pack)
1 apple

Lunch:
Same as breakfast
1-2 C Starchy veg
Salad

Afternoon snack:
Banana
1 T almond butter

Supper:
6oz - 8oz lean protein
1 starch (either from a higher carb veg such as sweet potato/ winter squash or 1/2 C brown rice)
1-2 C veggies

Evening snack:
Either another shake or almond butter & apple.

Of course I'll try to ensure I'm getting my 8 glasses of water in with at least 2 of them with lemon juice. I'm counting 'points' as well to try and keep it in the realm of weight loss. I think in maintenance I'll add in extra nuts/ starches as needed.

devadiva
01-05-2013, 06:18 PM
Seems to be working for me so far...imagine that!!!

Jehna
02-09-2013, 02:13 PM
My husband, daughter and I have been on the plan for 1 week today. We feel a lot better, although my husband is having trouble sleeping(he does anyway), and he and I both lose energy mid-day. We think we need to up our water intake. My daughter has lost 10 pounds, My husband has lost 6, and I have lost 5. We may eat like this forever, if we figure out the energy thing.

devadiva
02-15-2013, 11:43 AM
Despite naysayers have been following for 8 weeks and have lost 18 lbs.I have given up all the items listed feel better and look better.do not miss anything,have 7 lbs to go to FIGHTING weight( ha ha)Think I would be losing tiny bit more but have had to curtail my exercise due to having to sit bedside with my 155 lb dog who has had knee replacement and must have quite and someone with him all the time as he improves will be able to do more.

devadiva
02-23-2013, 07:36 PM
No problem with brand of protein I bought,down 20 lbs.

Eskielover
03-03-2013, 07:13 PM
I just watched J.J. Virgin on PBS today. What she said made so much sense to me. I figured that I already knew all of the seven foods, but was surprised about Eggs & a little surprised about Corn.

I'd eaten a Gluten Free diet for about 3 weeks between Thanksgiving & Christmas and found that my energy level improved a lot. Had been planning to re-start after New Years but have had many personal stresses in January and February.

I hope to find the book at the Library and want to start this way of eating soon. Would love it if we could turn this thread into a support group as we each get healthier eating this way. Would that be possible?

Will check back later.

Eskielover

Eskielover
03-12-2013, 08:22 PM
Finally got to the library, but they didn't have the book. I ordered it from Amazon along with another book, "The Healthy Gluten-Free Life". They came in the mail today and I couldn't wait to look through them. Love the cookbook--it has about 200 gluten-free, dairy-free, soy-free and egg-free recipes. Lots and lots of pictures of food that looks delicious. I highly recommend it. Written by Tammy Credicott.

Haven't had time to start reading The Virgin Dietsince I focused on the cookbook first. Will get to it tonight or tomorrow. I'm hoping to get planning & shopping done by next week so I can start soon after. :carrot:

Devadiva and AussieMags, any updates?

Eskielover

Alyssa Autopsy
03-30-2013, 02:42 AM
"7 Foods to Avoid for Rapid Weight Loss
Based on her presentation The Five Essential Elements to Achieve Lasting Weight Loss on January 21, 2012, JJ Virgin, one of the nation's foremost fitness and nutrition experts, recommends avoiding the following 7 foods for rapid weight loss.



Soy
Corn
Gluten
Dairy
Sugar and artificial sweeteners
Eggs
Peanuts

[source (http://lifealignwellness.com/life-align-blog/1946-7-foods-to-avoid-for-rapid-weight-loss.html)]



i think this would be very difficult for me.
i could switch from soymilk to almond milk,
can switch from peanut butter to almond butter,
and i also use agave nectar or honey instead of sugar...

but the dairy, gluten, eggs, and corn are all issues for me.
i rarely eat cheese but i love it, i only eat or cook with
eggs for myself like twice a week but i quite enjoy it,
i don't even know what kind of stuff HAS gluten,
and i've cut out high fructose corn syrup and corn syrup solids,
but cutting out the actual vegetable corn would suck,
as corn is one of my favorite vegetables of all time.

she says you can lose 7 pounds in 7 days...
idk, that sounds to good to be true...
and what sounds too good to be true, usually is.



anyone have experience with cutting this stuff out?

spanky
04-06-2013, 11:33 AM
So I looked into this a bit. Bought the "Book Notes" on Kindle instead of the real book so I didn't have to read and pay for the whole thing. It covered the essence of the Virgin Diet plan.

What I notice is that it's a lot like a Paleo diet minus the eggs at the beginning. I already know that at least half of the 7 problem foods affect me and the info helped me to reconsider some of the items I use in my Paleo menu.

I've been using a soy shake powder and that may be a problem so I bought a jar of the Virgin Shake mix to try. I totally cannot eat breakfast so I have to drink a shake or it's no go. Supposedly this shake has none of the bad stuff, but still has protein.

I doubt eggs are a problem for me [a big menu item on Paleo], but I may cut them out to see if anything happens.

I'll post a review of the shake after it arrives and let you know if it's yukky or OK.

Alyssa I see we're the same height and have the same weight goal--good luck to you, I find it's so hard to be short and overweight at the same time!!

Spanky

Eskielover
05-25-2013, 01:00 AM
Spanky, did you like the protein powder? I'm still looking for a brand that tastes as good as my whey powder.

Anyway, I started The Virgin Diet on 4-16 and have lost 8 lbs. and over 9 inches so far. I've not been doing the shakes or any of the other weight loss tips in the book. I just stopped eating the IF foods. So far I've completed the Gluten, Soy, and Egg challenges & found out that I can not eat eggs.:( I had a major reaction: sinuses were throbbing, headaches, stuffiness, sudden tiredness and generally not feeling well. After I quit eating the eggs on day 3 of the challenge, it took me two days to lose the headache and other symptoms. Right now I can't even look at an egg!!

I start the Dairy challenge on Monday. Hopefully I'll do okay with this. I had mild reactions to gluten and soy but not planning to add them back in. I feel so much better without them in my life. It's amazing how you don't even have cravings!

Will check back in later.

JerseyPAGirl
12-10-2013, 11:13 AM
Four painful, excrutiating days is how long I stayed on this plan. The shakes were gagging me by the 3rd day. That was the WORST protein shake I've ever had. I was dizzy and nauseated the third and fouth day. I couldn't even function in work because I felt so horrible that I wound up eating a bagel, egg and cheese :(

I could have handled these symptoms over the weekend when I started. But not during work. On every diet that I've ever been on, I dealt with a headache on the second day...no biggy. But to be this symptomatic for two days straight...and the two days that I started work....itsn't for me. Her shakes are WAY overpriced and they suck. She charges $12 for shipping just ONE!! That's highway robbery. Then she has the effing nerve to say in one of her videos that she charges her clients $3,000 per hour. Wow, so she has to charge the general public $12 S&H for her crappy shake?? Thanks but no thanks.

And her book is contradicting also. One page she shows you how to eat (lean protein, non starchy veggies, good fats, carb and nuts). Then on another page she breaks the food down again, but doesn't include the nuts.

Mugwump
01-21-2015, 09:10 PM
Hi, Anyone else out there interested in joining me in this. It is good to read the book or check JJ out on line. Basically it is to eliminate food that you may have a sensitivity to that may be keeping you from losing weight.

For 21 days you do not eat any of: gluten, sugar, soy, corn, dairy, eggs, or peanuts. The book maintains you may lose up to 7 pounds in the first 7 days.

I first saw this on PBS a while ago and the book has been out for a while so may be in a library or in book stores.

I would love to have some company on this journey for sharing menus. exercise and support. My nickname is Mugwump aka Mugs

Mugwump
01-23-2015, 12:06 AM
Going forward,
Today Breakfast: oatmeal, with cinnamon, flax and 2 Tbsp almond butter: v8 low sodium, black coffee. Lunch: shake mad with coconut milk, protein powder, strawberries. Snack Hummus, celery: Dinner: kale salad, turkey, chai tea with coconut milk, 1 square dark chocolate.

Still need to walk 41 minutes for today's goal.