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AprilRT
12-10-2012, 06:44 PM
I love to cook and happen to be really good at it. I cannot possibly live a life where I do not ever create delicious meals and desserts and eat them. A lot of stuff I like to make is really healthy, others are BAD BAD BAD! I do not want to shun anything forever, unless of course it is found that I have some kind of sensitivity to a certain food, but so far so good with that. So I need a lifestyle that allows me to create and consume beautiful foods, be they healthy or not, and also eat a pretty consistent healthy diet.

My current plan (open to change based on any advice I get) is to eat a fairly regular diet consisting of healthy portion sizes, high protein, good amounts of healthy fats, whole grains, and veggies. I must also focus on REGULATING my sleeping and eating schedule. I am all out of wack and have been for the past few years. I sleep at different times all the time and the difference from day to day can be upwards of 10 hours or even more sometimes. Naturally, I eat at zany intervals as well. Most days I only eat once or twice, others as much as four times.

My husband works until 1 am so we are naturally night owls. My plan is to start going to bed at 3 am and rise at 11 am. I have been working on the going to bed at 3 part for a few weeks and typically manage to get to bed at around 3:30 to 5 am and I usually sleep till at least 1 in the afternoon and often as late as 3 pm. I recognize that this is bad and am actively working on it. I hope to have this worked out by the next couple of weeks.

My eating plan is designed to help with my sleep cycle goal. I hear often, including from a doctor recently, that I should eat every three hours. I also know that it is best to eat breakfast within an hour of waking. It is also said to be best not to eat a couple hours before bed. With all this in mind I have designed this eating plan that I think should work for me, but I want to see if anyone has any advice or suggestions. All of the food in my plan are foods that I make often and enjoy very much. I do eat pretty healthy most of the time. I think my main problem is lack of consistency. That, and perhaps, I make sweet or succulent yum yums a little too often.

Breakfast (12 pm)

Two poached eggs over a bed of 1/2 cup of brown basmati rice, wild rice, quinoa, or rarely, about once or twice a month, a slice of HOME MADE whole wheat bread. Accompanied with a large helping of steamed spinach or a thick slice of tomato, lightly cooked in a little olive oil.

OR

A bowl of cereal, Either shredded wheat, Vector, or some other low to no sugar, high fiber cereal, with a handful of frozen blueberries (sometimes maybe a sliced banana instead) and about a cup of WHOLE MILK. Yes, I believe in whole milk, for now. There are reasons I will not get into right now, but this is open to debate.

OR

Egg fried Rice. Something that I often make with leftover rice. It is simply plain cooked brown rice (though sometimes I also make it with quinoa or wild rice), about a half cup, and two eggs cooked in olive oil and scrambled together. I often eat it topped with salt and pepper and sometimes paprika and or other spices. Sometimes I just top it with a little Franks Red Hot. With this meal I will eat a piece of fruit, or make a simple smoothie with blueberries or strawberries and whole milk and add no sugar. About a cup and a half worth of smoothie is what I usually drink.

Snack (3 pm)

Half cup of homemade hummus (from dried chickpeas) with about 5 whole grain crackers or celery and/or carrot sticks and/or cucumber slices.

OR

Fresh salad with various vegetables, red wine vinegar, and olive oil, and some chickpeas or small bit of hummus, or a little goat cheese crumbled in.

OR

Small Fruit smoothie with no sugar added

OR

A piece of fruit, such as an apple, pear, cup of berries, etc

Lunch (6 pm)

Veggie sandwich consisting of two slices of my homemade whole wheat bread, hummus, romain lettuce or raw spinach, onions, tomato, cucumber, carrots, a little red wine vinegar. This is how I would typically make it but the veggies can vary.

OR

Leftovers from last night's dinner ( I almost always save a little for the next day's lunch. It usually fits into a little baking dish that can hold about a cup and a half worth of food, so it is a small but reasonable amount of food.)

Snack (9 pm)

Same options as the earlier snack

Dinner (12 am)

Half cup cooked whole grains (Brown rice, wild rice, quinoa...I switch it up) Half cup lentils of any colour (I switch it up), and about a quarter cup of frozen (but cooked haha) peas, in a curry sauce that is 180 calories per serving (will use one serving only) and 21 carbs. I use other bottles of curry sauces too, but that was the highest carbs and calories, so often, the sauce will have less calories than that.

OR

Half cup cooked whole grains, with sauteed (in a little butter or olive oil) Onions and garlic, with dry spices, and half cup cooked lentils of any colour and peas all mixed together.

OR

Half cup cooked whole grains, with Half cup Cooked dry beans (most often black beans or pinto beans) and about a quarter cup of salsa. About half the time I will put about a quarter of an avocado into this.

OR

Pan seared fish (most often Halibut, haddock, or salmon) in a little oil, with steamed spinach or broccoli and half cup of whole grains, topped with fresh lemon juice.





Ok, so those are meant to be my daily, go to meals. They do vary but my descriptions show the ways they typically end up. My plan is to eat these kinds of meals every day, and to allow myself two or three days a month to make something different. One thing that I will definitely do each month is make a chicken or small turkey. Probably one and sometimes maybe two a month. I am feeding two people by the way so one chicken is not just for me. I like to make chicken stock and often use that to cook my grains. The chicken or turkey meals will usually be either over a whole grain with some kind of vegetable and sometimes gravy and sometimes not, or it will be a soup with celery, carrots, onions and peas.

The chickens or turkey will usually provide two or three meals some of these may be a leftover lunch.

Another thing that I am fond of is Bison meat so I would like to allow myself to do something with that at least once every month or two.

Keep in mind that the two or three days that I am allowed to cook something else beside these planned meals are not necessarily going to be unhealthy meals but SOMETIMES they will be!!! I want to feel free to embrace the deliciousness of some good old fashioned, caution to the wind home cooking from time to time. I'm talking, white bread stuffing, hollandaise sauce, pizza, chilli and corn bread, none whole wheat pasta, lasagna filled with CHEEEESE! bison cheese burgers :D. Or these could be days when I go out to a restaurant to eat. I want to be able to eat these things rarely. I think that my plan should allow that to happen.

Also, I want to make perhaps, one ridiculous dessert every two or three months. We won't usually eat dessert, but on occasion I would like a little cheese cake, or cookies, or even just ice cream.

My goal is to lose around 5 pounds a month. I know that that is slow, but I don't mind. I cannot exercise very much because of joint pain so I do not expect for the weight to melt off very quickly. As long as I do at least about 5 a month Ill be happy, any more is just bonus.

So how does my plan sound? any advice?


AprilRT
12-10-2012, 07:06 PM
Oh, and I should mention that my beverages are water about 80% of the time, and Homemade iced tea consisting of about a quarter cup of sugar per 2 liters of tea about 15 percent of the time. Rarely I will drink milk or something else. I drink alcohol about 3 or 4 times a year.

TripSwitch
12-10-2012, 07:47 PM
That's quite a plan!!! All I would suggest is have you come up with calorie counts for what you're planning? Because as I'm sure you're well aware if you want to lose weight... Calories matter... Now there are lots of ways to make that equation work... and it looks like you put a LOT of thought into WHAT you want to eat... So really the other piece of the puzzle is going to be HOW MUCH are you going to eat... so you can lose the weight that you want to...

Good luck!

And by the way those menus sound delicious :)


AprilRT
12-10-2012, 08:22 PM
TripSwitch, I have not really counted the calories in my plan. I have a general idea about how much is too much (I have counted calores in the past), and I think that I have designed my plan with good portion sizes to keep the calories reasonable. You will see that I am aiming for a certain measure of each ingredient. Actually doing the maths to find calorie numbers is probably a good idea, but I just don't feel like doing that right now, especially because most of the foods I make are from scratch and it will be a pain to break them all down and figure out the calories, though not impossible, as I have done this with other recipes in the past.

I want to try to approach this with a relaxed attitude and not get obsessed about numbers, because I have obsessive tendencies. Get me counting calories and I will end up with 5 spreadsheets all coded to talk to each other and tell me how many points of a calorie I am off and I will just DIE if it isn't EXACT AAAAHHH! I'm crazy haha.

So I THINK without doing the math, that this seems like a good all around eating plan and with the measurements I provided I do not THINK that it will go over my daily caloric needs, but I could be wrong. I think that maybe I should just try to start with this plan, try to get on the SCHEDULE with it, the regular habits thing is a BIIIIG problem for me, and if weight does not start coming off in about three weeks of regularity I can slowly adjust this and that. Until the weight begins to drop. This, I think will be the best way for me to stay sane.

Unless someone thinks this plan sucks please let me know haha!

Also, yes this is a wonderful menu. These are things that I already eat very often and basically always have these ingredients on hand as my basic staples. They are all healthy and delicious and very satisfying.

Thanks!

Misti in Seattle
12-10-2012, 08:45 PM
Sounds as if you have a plan you can live with!

And I don't do calorie counts either. I am fairly knowledgeable in what is what and I find that when I am sticking with my plan of mostly fruits and veggies, with other stuff just as sides, I don't need to.

It's not necessary to starve ourselves or always deprive ourselves of an occasional dessert, etc. A healthful plan needs to be something we can enjoy.

I am fortunate in that I hate to cook so sticking a tray of raw veggies in the oven (with lemon olive oil and seasoning) makes me plenty happy most of the time, LOL, along with my supplemental stuff from PCC Natural Markets

TripSwitch
12-10-2012, 09:13 PM
AprilRT I think that sounds very reasonable and I like the idea of not getting too "obsessed" with the numbers... which is something that a lot of us struggle with... from the trying to figure out the exact number of calories that we're eating and obsessing about that... To obsessing about that All Mighty number on the SCALE or obsessing about GOD FORBID!!! WHY it went up 2lbs. overnight???;) So from what you're described it sounds like you have a pretty healthy approach... And I think the good thing about your plan is that depending on how it's working for you... You have a lot of room to adjust it in so many ways... by doing any number of things... reducing portion size, lowering carbs, lowering fat, whatever works for you... :)

AprilRT
12-10-2012, 09:56 PM
Thanks Misti and Trip.

Today is actually day one, though I arose at 12:30 and ate breakfast shortly thereafter. The rest of the day I have been pretty much on schedule.

I am currently having my second snack. MMMM! Why is hummus so goooood!?

It is interesting that I feel hungry today. I don't often get hunger pangs even when I go a full 24 hours without food, but today I felt hungry all day except for the hour following each meal or snack. I ate more food today than I usually do yet I feel hungry, not famished to the point that I MUST eat or anything, just a touch peckish.

Maybe it is my metabolism waking up?

AprilRT
12-11-2012, 04:55 AM
Out of curiosity I figured the calories I consumed today. It turned out to be about 1875, which seems kinda low. I will see how I feel about this after a couple days or weeks and may actually end up ADDING calories if I think I am not getting enough. Gosh, people need to eat a LOT!

Misti in Seattle
12-11-2012, 08:44 AM
Out of curiosity I figured the calories I consumed today. It turned out to be about 1875, which seems kinda low. I will see how I feel about this after a couple days or weeks and may actually end up ADDING calories if I think I am not getting enough. Gosh, people need to eat a LOT!

1875 calories is definitely not "kinda low" if you are planning to lose weight. It sounds on the high side of average. I sure could not lose weight eating that much.

Wannabeskinny
12-11-2012, 08:58 AM
I can only speak for myself but I cannot and have not ever lost weight on a plan like that. Every meal has whole grains, every snack has whole grains, every meal seems to have beans of some sort, those are nothing but bulk bulk bulk to me. Your body may work different than mine but the only way I can lose weight is if I get rid of sugar and be mindful of carbs. I'm not talking carb-free, I'm talking carb-smart. A very small amount of carbs can go a long way in keeping you full. But here you're talking rice, bread, cereal, hummus, rice+beans, and sweetened tea all in ONE day. I know people are stuck on the idea that whole grain is healthier, but how much you eat of it plays a big role. Not only that, but starch and carbs makes me even more hungry.

My daily carb intake comes from a slice of whole wheat toast with breakfast and lunch, a half a potato, some peanuts, and fruit. Any more than that in one day and the scale does not budge plus.

Furthermore, your post seems to have underlying tension that you MUST be able to eat treats along the way. Nobody is stopping you however, why are you feeling defensive about it? I cook too, very well and I enjoy cooking. I love making roasts, and pasta especially and I don't plan to quit. However I can't continuously eat pasta because it makes me crave more pasta and then something sugary to top it off. Too many carbs make me crazy and they I just find ways to justify eating them by calling them "whole grain" lol. So that word does little to persuade me that it is something healthy because the amount and how often it is eaten is excessive in my opinion.

I like to think of famous chefs like Giada di Laurentis, who cooks pasta daily yet remains a size zero. When asked about it she says she eats everything, but just a little and steers the bulk of her food towards vegetables.

You are right, consistency is key. Lack of sleep has been linked to obesity in several studies. You may also be interfering with your body's natural circadian rhythm and your body may be craving more carbs due to that. Do try to get to bed a little earlier so that you can get a full 8hrs sleep, it helps tremendously in regulating your metabolism.

Lakilaulea
12-11-2012, 09:25 AM
I agree with Wannabeskinny and Misti in Seattle. Your meal plan sounds nice and healthy, but 1875 is on the high side of average if you're looking to lose weight. I can only speak for myself here, but 1500 is a splurge day for me. And your meals do sound pretty carb heavy. Again, only speaking for myself, but my fastest weight loss comes when I really ease up on the carbs. I try to get my daily carb intake from fresh fruit (that's also where I get my sugar intake), but I have been incorporating more carbs lately in the form of whole wheat and have seen my weight loss slow to a crawl.

AprilRT
12-11-2012, 04:43 PM
Wannabeskinny, every snack doesn't have whole grains. A simple piece of fruit or a salad will be common snacks, or hummus with cucumber slices or celery (though I realize you take issue with the number of beans in my diet plan).

The main reason I am planning on eating so many beans is because I want a lot of protein and meat is expensive. Also they are filling and satisfying.

"rice, bread, cereal, hummus, rice+beans, and sweetened tea all in ONE day"

No, no, no. I will eat about one loaf of bread a month, so the bread options will only be a few meals per month. I drink a glass of lightly sweetened tea about once every two or three days. Pretty much all other beverages are water. Cereal will be eaten for breakfast about half the time, and other mornings I will be eating eggs and rice with a fruit or vegetable. As far as eating too much carbs, I am planning on only eating a half cup of grains per meal, and none with snacks. The only possible grain in my snacks would be a small handful of crackers, but this will happen maybe 5 times a month or so. If I am eating too many carbs I may just do away with the crackers and hummus and just always have a veg with the hummus.


"Furthermore, your post seems to have underlying tension that you MUST be able to eat treats along the way."

No tension at all! I am simply pointing out that I WILL have occasional naught NAUGHTY treats. I mainly want people to let me know if they think the frequency is too much. Once or twice potential way off diet dinners or breakfasts a month and one horribly naughty dessert every two or three months. Is that too much?

As far as the sleep cycle. Unfortunately due to my husband's schedule, and my desire to live along side him in the same schedule, the only realistic sleeping hours to get 8 hours is 3 to 11, which I am working on perfecting now. Last "night" I got to bed at 4 and got up at 12. Getting there! lol!


Now everyone is mentioning the cals. I used a bunch of daily calorie need calculators online and, while the vary, they typically state that I need around 2500 cals a day to maintain weight and the ones that give you a recommended weight loss calorie intake suggest an average of around 2200 cals a day. Keep in mind that I currently weight 300 pounds. I do not want to go too low and risk losing more muscle mass. Now if there is something I am missing here please inform me. Is there a really trusted calorie needs formula or online calculator that I may have missed, that I should use? Are these results way off?

I will have no problem lessening my calories if need be, but I just want to make sure that it is the correct thing to do. It was hard for me to eat so much yesterday, as I have been in starvation for most of the last 3 years or so. I did feel a little hungry for most of the day, but by bedtime last night after dinner I felt great, and so far so good today as well.

I am not yet convinced that I am eating too many carbs, but please, tell me, what should I eat instead? Maybe my poached egg breakfast should be on a BIIIIIIIG pile of steamed spinach only? perhaps? instead of a half cup of rice and one serving of spinach? I just don't know how I would get the calories I need without including carbs in my meals. I could just eat a lot more protein and fats, but I feel that there should be a balance. Should I try to ONLY get my carbs from fruits? Are grains just totally wrong?

By the way, one thing that just about everyone always mentions is nuts. This is one thing that I just cannot do! I HATE nuts! lol. Sorry! I know that they are a big dieting snack but I must decline.

I appreciate all the suggestions so far! I am considering it all!

Wannabeskinny
12-11-2012, 05:31 PM
Legumes are great, they do provide lots of complex carbohydrates, fiber and nutrients. But they are CARBS and not only that but in order to provide you with a complete protein they must be paired with carbs such as rice.

I understand that meat is expensive, you don't need a lot of meat, and you can even be vegetarian and eat lots of protein without so many grains and carbs. What can you eat instead?
- hard boiled eggs
- yogurt
- cottage cheese
- milk
- any cheese
- grilled chicken breasts, or turkey
- fresh fish or tuna from a can

I buy large packs of chicken breasts and freeze them.

Don't worry about the nuts, I find them to be a life saver when I'm on the run and I need a quick hit of protein. But they do pack a lot of calories so I have to limit them. There's nothing wrong with not liking a particular item.

So about those carbs, the only advice I can give is to try to eat more colorful food than brown food. Whole grains tend to be brown. I'm making a navy bean soup at the moment. I've put very few beans in it, the rest is lots of veggies like tomatoes, peppers, onions, celery, carrots, and zucchini. It's more than enough carbs considering that vegetables are carbohydrates also.

Also, don't worry about the calories, for your weight 1800 calories are great for the slow weight loss you are going for. I eat anywhere between 1400-1800 on a daily basis and I'm not looking for overnight results. Here's what my typical day looks like:

Breakfast:
8am - 1 cup yogurt with berries and almonds and coffee
10am - one or 2 hard boiled eggs
12pm - 2 thin slices whole grain bread, lots of fresh meat or tuna, veggies on the side with dip (roasted red peppers + feta cheese + yogurt + olive oil)
3pm - 1tbsp hummus with veggies
4pm - tea, no sugar
6pm - lots of lean protein and veggies, no starches
10pm - 1 piece dark chocolate

AprilRT
12-11-2012, 06:22 PM
Wannabeskinny, Thanks very much for all of your insight. I will, for now continue with my original plans and work on regulating my schedule first and eating the foods that I have put in my plans since they require little to no effort, as I am used to preparing them and can kinda, you know, "flow" with my shopping and preparations and such. If, after a few weeks of regular sleeping and eating I feel that something needs to change I will possibly make some of the changes that you have suggested.

There is plenty of colour in my diet already, that is not a problem, but I do recognize that a person must be careful with carbs. I think I am on the borderline there. I do not know if it is too much for me yet, but if I find anything about my plan to be problematic, I suspect that the carbs will be the issue. I will be paying close attention.

Thanks again! <3

TripSwitch
12-11-2012, 07:20 PM
Wannabeskinny, Thanks very much for all of your insight. I will, for now continue with my original plans and work on regulating my schedule first and eating the foods that I have put in my plans since they require little to no effort, as I am used to preparing them and can kinda, you know, "flow" with my shopping and preparations and such. If, after a few weeks of regular sleeping and eating I feel that something needs to change I will possibly make some of the changes that you have suggested.

There is plenty of colour in my diet already, that is not a problem, but I do recognize that a person must be careful with carbs. I think I am on the borderline there. I do not know if it is too much for me yet, but if I find anything about my plan to be problematic, I suspect that the carbs will be the issue. I will be paying close attention.

Thanks again! <3

I think this is a good idea to stick with your plan... Because I've found when I wanted to lose weight I had to be not only "motivated" by the plan that I chose, but it had to include foods that I enjoyed and wanted to eat... That fit into my calorie targets... Now I know that when it comes to whole grains and carbs those can be real "hot button" issues... I think that is an area that everyone has to figure out for themselves when it comes to dieting... usually through some trial and error... Personally I've lost weight on a very high carb diet and I've lost weight on a very low carb diet... But I felt better and was happier with more carbs... But I run marathons and do triathlons for fun... so more carbs work for me...

And I definitely think you should be able to lose at the rate that you're going for with a calorie target of 1800 calories a day... and if in a month from now you're not seeing the weight loss that you are happy with... You have a lot of places in that plan that you can play around with...

Good luck!

owlsteazombies
12-11-2012, 07:59 PM
I think your diet sounds very healthy, but for me, I couldn't lose weight on 1800 calories.

If you like carbs, that's great :) So is having the occasional treat. If we didn't, we'd all break and we'd find ourselves on the floor in the kitchen at 4am with a sleeve of oreos in our mouth..just me, huh?

I would actually learn to cook with less oil and butter. Chicken broth or vegetable broth can actually knock your meal plan down into the 1600 calorie range if that would be something you were interested in :)

AprilRT
12-11-2012, 08:29 PM
owlsteazombies, almost every month, I make a batch of very gelatinous chicken stock. I often cook my grains in it. I have never tried sauteing with it. I probably couldn't make egg fried rice with it and certain other things, but I think it may work for softening onions and garlic and such things. Is that the kind of thing you are talking about?

owlsteazombies
12-11-2012, 09:37 PM
owlsteazombies, almost every month, I make a batch of very gelatinous chicken stock. I often cook my grains in it. I have never tried sauteing with it. I probably couldn't make egg fried rice with it and certain other things, but I think it may work for softening onions and garlic and such things. Is that the kind of thing you are talking about?

Not really..stock is different than broth, but if you have a good nonstick pan, you don't even need butter or oil to fry an egg.

And yea, it would work for onions, garlic, all sorts of veggies to soften them..but then I eat vegetables just shy of raw.

Wannabeskinny
12-12-2012, 08:30 AM
Not really..stock is different than broth, but if you have a good nonstick pan, you don't even need butter or oil to fry an egg.

And yea, it would work for onions, garlic, all sorts of veggies to soften them..but then I eat vegetables just shy of raw.

As a serious home cook I've heard this before but I don't buy into it. Stock or broth is pretty much the same and has always been used interchangeably.

I think that carbs are a "hot button issue" on the forum because they are a hot button issue in our lives. I have to be very careful with carbs because the more I have the more I want and then that leads to bingeing. I don't feel good if I have no carbs at all, but eating the OP's diet would send me into a tailspin and I'd hit 200lbs again on the quick. I'm only pointing it out because I've been there, I've lived in carb land and I know what can happen to me and to many in carb land.

Lakilaulea
12-12-2012, 09:18 AM
As a serious home cook I've heard this before but I don't buy into it. Stock or broth is pretty much the same and has always been used interchangeably..

I don't wanna deviate too much from the topic of this thread, but there actually is a small but important difference between stock and broth. Stock is usually just used as a base; you don't really eat it as is as it has no seasonings and tastes bland. You use it to make soups and stews. Broth on the other hand does have seasonings; i.e., salt, and can be eaten alone. I use vegetable stock all the time as I don't eat red meat or poultry and I can clearly taste the difference between stock and broth if I take a sip straight from the box. It's important to know the difference if you're on a limited diet, such as low sodium. Using stock or broth can really stretch out your meals, make them more filling, and let you be more creative with what you make. I've been on a soup making streak since the end of November. Every Saturday I buy a bunch of vegetables and make either a stew or chowder with them, divide them out into lunch sized containers, and take them to work throughout the week. It's really filling but also low calorie. And this is the perfect weather for soup!

owlsteazombies
12-12-2012, 06:11 PM
Stock/broth either way. Same thing but different? The gelatinous wording is what concerned me..

Carbs might work for the OP, but I started out eating special k every morning and having tons of rice, couscous and quinoa..and all that made me was hungry. Stupid hungry. A few times it almost sent me into a binging spiral.

But having said that, this is her plan and what motivates her. So I'll be here to support, disagree or not :)

AprilRT
12-12-2012, 07:38 PM
The difference between stock and broth is a matter of debate with various "experts" all having thier own opinion. I actually have a cooking blog and wrote an artice about this topic a long time ago. It is one of my post popular articles haha.

Typically, at the most fundamental level, broth is though of as what you get by simmering meat in water, without or without spices, seasonings, and/or veggies to make meat flavoured liquid, ie, broth. When this is chilled it remains liquid

Stock is made mainly of bones and connective tissues and is typically simmers far longer than basic broth, but there is no law, though some would argue that. When it is chilled, it become gelatinous like jello.

Either product can be used to make a soup or can be flavoured to be drunk on its own. In either of these cases I would happily call either one, "broth".

The gelatinous nature of well made stock is very desirable, good for your digestive tract and may be good for your joints, though this is not yet proven. I also like the mouth feel of stock more than simple broth. More rich. It also have far more protien.

Anyway, the suggestion to try to use less fat is good. I currently don't use too much, I do not think, but I definitely use some. I account for all of the fat in my calorie estimations and fats are good for you in small quantities, so I am not too concerned about it. But it is a good suggestion to consider adding flavour with broth in lieu of fats once in a while. I can see how it can be a useful occasional skill.

mariposssa
12-12-2012, 08:13 PM
While I agree with the carb and calorie discussion here; especially as it applies to me...the real question here is the OPs plan and how this higher carb, fairly high calories plan will effect her. My main question is wondering how this plan is different than the way of eating that got the plan's designer to 300lbs in the first place.

The main thing I'm thinking is that this poster sounds like a real foodie at heart. It can be hard for someone who really enjoys cooking and food. Preparing provides opportunities for lots of bites, licks, tastes that don't always get included in the calorie tracker. Homemade food is harder to accurately track, too. Does the pot of soup really have 12 servings? Did you include every ingredient, spice, etc when calculating calories?Did you really only eat one serving? Are you tempted by the by leftovers?

What is the calories difference between a basic broth and one that is gelatinous? Because it sounds like some could be more fatty and calories dense than others. AND one I'm especially curious about is whether the 1/2 c of rice is dry or cooked because that makes a big difference. Rice is definitely a trigger food for me...makes me want to eat and eat and then eat again an hour later.

AprilRT
12-12-2012, 08:43 PM
mariposssa,

The differences between this plan and my old way of eating:

Regularity in eating and sleeping patterns is one big thing. I would go up to 24 hours at times without eating, or only eat once or twice on some days with hours and hours between eating. Other times, I would cook whatever I felt like cooking (or whatever I had available, like when I had to eat whatever junk I got at the food bank), be it healthy or not, and eat till I felt satisfied, without being very mindful of my portions. While the food in my plan are common foods that I typically eat, I would eat bad stuff FAAAAR more often than the once or twice a month that I plan on doing now. I'd say I ate bad stuff about half the time for the last year since we have had money again, and before that, for almost three years, I basically had to live on peanut butter, mac and cheese, canned soups, and half rotten vegetables that we got from the food bank. That was the time that I really gained my weight.

In fact, I was up to 309 pounds two months ago, and have eaten close to this diet, but with quite a few naughties in there. Far more than I aim for. I think we had pizza twice, Tim Hortons sandwiches with a cold coffee drink a couple times, a burger and fries from 5 guys, and a few desserts here and there, PLUS I was not eating or sleeping regularly, and I still managed to lose 10 pounds by eating meals like the ones in my plan about 70% of the time. I was also eating only two times a day typically and sometimes three.

A cup of homemade chicken stock has approximately 20 calories. My batches come out to be around 2 to 3 cups worth each month. So I see that as negligible.

I am also measuring everything fairly precisely now. I scoop my food into my bowl or my plate with measuring cups. All measurements that I have estimated are foods in their cooked state.

Licking and tasting is something that I should keep tabs on though. That is a very good thought. I will be veeery careful!

One thing that I can say, to my credit, is that I do have very strong will power. When I put my mind to it I am very good at sticking with an eating plan. I have in the past and know that I can again. If dinner is to be one half cup of rice and beans then that is what it is. Also, luckily for me, I do not have any negative reaction to the carbs so far. the first day I felt hungry, but then I realized that I stupidly did not drink a lot of water that day lol. I felt the same way the next morning after breakfast but then remember that I have to DRINK! lol since I have been staying hydrated I feel absolutely no hunger, no cravings, though I do look forward to fun food days, that I know are coming, because they are allowed to come! w00t! I am making chocolate eggnog tomorrow lmao! Aren't I a great dieter?

owlsteazombies
12-12-2012, 09:59 PM
I have a question, and I want you to think on it. Your plan is ok and will probably work, for right now.

As you lose your 5lbs per month, your caloric needs are going to change. What's your longterm plan? Are you going to add exercise to balance out these carbs and treats?

I was in the same boat last summer and I started out with changing little things, and then I had to cut my calories and what I was eating, it just wasn't working anymore.

I'm just interested in the plan in 6 months time when your weight drops and your BMR drops under the (I guessed) 2152 it is now.

domesticbliss
12-12-2012, 10:18 PM
if eating this way is a healthier and more sustainable option than what you have been eating, I say try it... however...
1875 calorie wise might not have you losing weight like you'd expect, if you don't want to count calories then see how your weight goes for a few weeks without, if the scale's not moving in the right direction, maybe consider counting calories or reducing portions.

I thought I could eat the same thing over and over again when I started, then I got really bored, I would suggest coming up with about 5-6 different options for each meal, different ways to season/cook the protein, different vegetables, etc.

AprilRT
12-12-2012, 10:34 PM
owlsteazombies,
Great questions and I have definitely thought about those things.

I hope that after I lose a bit of weight my joints will be able to handle more activity. I hope to, sometime in the next 3 months I HOOOPE! get into physical therapy to help that along, but until then I do what I can as far as exercise, which is lots of Pilates style floor movements, though I am definitely limited to how much I can do with them, and I have a small elliptical machine that is just the feet parts and it is about a foot wide and a foot and a half long, under my desk and I use it while seated in my desk chair. For now, I am doing 30 minutes on it every other day and it is enough to get my heart rate up and get a tiny sweat in. I am adding more time little by little VEEEERY slowly. I hope to, by perhaps the middle of next year be able to afford a gym membership too. There is a killer nice one nearby me that has a woman's only heated salt water pool. I drool when I think about it. I absolutely love working out, really. I used to go to the gym every other day back when I was fit, and always felt SO good!

When my caloric changes come, I have plenty of room in my diet to adjust things. Many serving sizes can be cut in half. Maybe I can utilize your idea to modify some of my common recipes by making chicken broth a more prominent ingredient than the fats and oils that I tend to use. Some of my regular meals and snacks are a bit more calorific than others. I could make sure that I eat the less calorie filled ones more often than before. I will obviously change my base diet from time to time as well and whole new recipes will surely emerge, but the goal will always be for good proteins, good micro-nutrients, veggies, healthy fats, and deliciousness. I can just always make sure that I am eating what my body needs. And of course have occasional cookies.

This is basically the way I am thinking about things for now. I am not an expert on nutrition but I do know my share. I am sure that I will have questions as I go, and I love all of the advice from everyone. I am not completely sure that this diet is right for me. I feels right for now. It is fairly easy to keep up with the shopping and cooking for this plan, it is affordable, and it is adjustable. But I am not married to it. I want to at least start with this, and make changes as I go. If big changes are needed, I would even like to try to do them somewhat slowly. I need to develop a rhythm to my life again. I have been out of wack for far too long.

owlsteazombies
12-12-2012, 10:44 PM
Its a great place to start :)

And as my needs changed, I discovered skinnytaste.com and it's been a complete lifesaver. I can make all sorts of great things (husband approved) that are healthy and within my plan :)

Starting off slow, I totally get that. When I first started, I could barely walk around the house without getting winded.

I'm glad to hear this is well thought out and you sound like you want your body to be in the place your heart and mind are.

Wannabeskinny
12-12-2012, 10:45 PM
Let us know how it goes. If I could give one piece of advice, try not to think of food as "good" or "bad." Food is never the enemy. Eating something "bad" makes you feel "bad" and you battle too much with negativity to ever feel good. Just make good choices as much as you can and don't beat yourself if you fall off plan.