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kellycg102
12-09-2012, 08:07 PM
Well I don't even know where to start except that I am a friggin mess!

A little history...I have yo yo dieted all my life, always been over weight, tried every diet, lost some gained some blah blah blah! Then I found ideal protein and lost the most I have ever lost and so easily. 50 lbs gone and seemed like in no time looking back. I was the smallest I had ever been, loving the compliments, finally felt comfortable in my skin for the most part, enjoyed going out again and actually didn't mind getting my picture taken. Then I phased off.....then the binging started.....but so much worse then I ever was. Before IP I had always been somewhat of a binger....never 2 cookies, always a row and a half, love fast food and so on. I couldn't understand why I actually get sad to think of never eating like this again.......binging....., even tho I HATE how I feel and that food controls me, but my counsellor made me realize that this is how I have dealt with emotions since I was a kid. My dad was a binge drinker when I was growing up and I now actually remember when I was in grade 5 plus I would buy like 5 chocolate bars and eat them in a day among other sugary treats....almost every day. Anyway, IP was the longest diet I have ever followed 100% for a length of time. I had lost on WW, but even then after weigh in I would take the night "off" and eat...a lot! Being on IP for like 25 weeks or so then phasing off I lost complete control and now my binging is so much worse.....to the point that I am eating when I am completely full still and can't reason with myself why I shouldn't eat 3 donuts or fast food 3x a day. I can't snap out of the feelings I get, it is like I am in another world or "blacking out". Its like nothing I have ever felt before....or I guess the intensity of it is so much worse then before. If I "allow" myself to eat something off plan it is all or nothing and then it turns into eating as much of everything before tomorrow comes. I am in turmoil emotionally....my mind never stops of how am I ever going to control this. I truly thought loosing all the weight I would do the right thing and maintain....I always thought to myself if "god" would give me a new body I swear I will keep it thin.....now sadly I realize it isn't the case and I am a mess trying to figure out how to deal with this emotional roller coaster I am on. I can't even express how sick I am feeling about this.......people say just don't eat it or nothing tastes as good as thin feels....but when you have an eating disorder it is not that easy. Now all I think of is what people are saying about my very quick weight gain......"see just another diet.....loose and gain as usual". Kudos to everyone who has figured it out and kept it off....I hope I get there soon.


libertybelle
12-09-2012, 08:20 PM
I am so sorry you are experiencing this.

I know we each have our own story to tell, but please let me share the little I have learned.

Remember your beautiful progress!!! It is amazing and impressive and I bet you thought you could never do it! But you did! Gosh, how so many hope to be there! You are an inspiration!!!

You don't have to change the next year, month, week, or day, or even hour. Just the next moment.

You are worth the effort to change the next moment.

Treat yourself with the same respect and love and caring that your would treat whomever you most love in the world.

Do not harm yourself with food. You are worth too much to allow any harm to yourself!

Remember, in a sense, how you treat yourself is how you are telling others it is okay to treat you.

It only takes a moment. Just one. Just get through that one with every ploy and trick you used in the past, and try some new ones! http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/270568-inspiration-ideas.html

http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/271256-my-ip-struggles-motivation-what-keeps-you-motivated.html

Let us help you!

YOU CAN DO THIS! Just look at your numbers, your pics! You already know how...

ragdoll74
12-09-2012, 08:41 PM
You mentioned in your post it's not so easy for people who have an eating visits. It really isn't easy, and you should consider getting professional help from your doctor. At the very least, talk to your coach about it. Maybe she has helped someone else who has gone through thus.

If possible, try to reduce the amount of sugar and carbs you are taking in. I've read articles that say sugar can have the same addictive effects as drugs.

You have had such great success with IP, try to focus on that and move forward.


Determinedat47
12-09-2012, 09:03 PM
I understand. I have exactly the same
problem and binge like that as well- all or nothing. Maintenance is the tough tough part baby- many people on these boards are in the same boat. I had reached goal about a year ago and then went off " just for the holidays" well, I have been on off on off on off ever since. Today is day 14 of a pretty close to phase 1/2 eating- very low carb. I have lost some and am working to get 15 more pounds off- 5 pound goals at a time. I wish you well- I have a couple of friends that I call or text when feeling weak and I post here. These are the things that help. Good luck- I wish you well!!!!!!

Calisto
12-09-2012, 09:10 PM
I use to binge in high school and I always did it in hiding. I started thinking I needed to go talk to someone about it. Then a few years later, when I was older and out of high school I figured out it was depression and went on medication.

I have been on and off medication over the years but I don't hide and eat anymore.... NOT saying you need medication, but maybe you need to talk to someone?

Nolawhodatchick
12-09-2012, 09:16 PM
Children of binge drinkers often grow up with their own problems with binges, not necessarily alcohol, could be food or relationships or spending money uncontrollably. It's about patterns we learn in childhood and coping mechanisms. It might be helpful to talk to a psychologist or social worker, especially one who has worked with adult children of alcoholics. Or you could look into Al-anon, even if there isn't an active drinker in your life. Many cities have specific groups for Adult Children of Alcoholics which can be very helpful in understanding patterns we develop in childhood that are destructive in adult life. I don't know you, so if it doesn't fit, then please disregard, I don't mean to offend. Best of luck with it.

libertybelle
12-09-2012, 09:20 PM
I agree. There is no shame in speaking with someone locally with experience and expertise in eating disorders. It is actually incredibly difficult to take that first step: the strength is in doing it if you need. It might be the first step in valuing yourself enough to take care of yourself!

lisa32989
12-09-2012, 10:04 PM
Check and see if there is an Overeaters Anonymous in your area

skinny jeans dreams
12-09-2012, 10:25 PM
There is a great book called Potatoes not Prozac that explains the affect glucose has on seratonin and beta endorphine (author works with alcoholics and families of alcoholics) and really helps explain why some of us binge, even when our emotions are in control and we arent hungry. Its not your lack of willpower or faith, its your genes and sensitivities. This diet is great for glucose imbalance, but it sounds like you may have low seratonin and/or beta endorphine.

Determinedat47
12-09-2012, 11:03 PM
There is a great book called Potatoes not Prozac that explains the affect glucose has on seratonin and beta endorphine (author works with alcoholics and families of alcoholics) and really helps explain why some of us binge, even when our emotions are in control and we arent hungry. Its not your lack of willpower or faith, its your genes and sensitivities. This diet is great for glucose imbalance, but it sounds like you may have low seratonin and/or beta endorphine.

Maybe that is all of our problems. Maybe not exactly binging for everyone but none of us got overweight by undereating.

patns
12-09-2012, 11:12 PM
I just read a post on another section of 3FatChicks where someone recommended a book called, Brain Over Binge. The poster found it very helpful.

Louise40
12-10-2012, 07:34 AM
Read "Brain over Binge". You can find it on Amazon.
sorry...I've never posted before on here and I'm a huge lurker but I just had to pop up on this. You are describing me perfectly. The book I mentioned above helped me immensely.

patns
12-10-2012, 09:19 AM
Read "Brain over Binge". You can find it on Amazon.
sorry...I've never posted before on here and I'm a huge lurker but I just had to pop up on this. You are describing me perfectly. The book I mentioned above helped me immensely.

Thanks Louise I downloaded this last night on my kindle and definitely think it is a must read.

It is by Kathryn Hansen, she writes it for bulimics but it actually is very appropriate for any type of eating disorder.

Her approach to food was one which many people can relate to and exactly as Kelly described in the first post in this thread.

She was not a purging bulimic but a severe binger who then did extreme exercise for the up to 10 hours the next day so she wouldn't gain weight. She was diagnosed as a bulimic but it is the same as anyone who really overeats; just without the extreme exercise most people who binge like she did become very overweight.

Her recovery came through reading Rational Recovery:The New Cure for Substance Addiction by Jack Trimpey.

That book is used as an alternative to A.A. and my son used it to overcome alchoholism is his 20s and has been totally sober for 10 years now. We had been beside ourselves trying to help him since his late teens and nothing had worked so that book was like a miracle with him.

Soon after he used the same approach to stop smoking based on a book by Allan Carr. So two very strong addictions overcome in a very brief time.

I find this book on eating fascinating and highly recommend it.

After I finish it I want to download the other book mentioned above Potatoes Not Prozac but not sure how that would work with my carb addiction.

Pat

kellycg102
12-10-2012, 11:26 AM
Thank you so much to everyone, especially Yaelbelle. I had been wanting to post something because I have been in such turmoil for months now but was worried I would get the wrong person reading it and get some terrible feed back, but decided I needed to reach out......thank you for your responses, I cried.....my husband thought what the ****, but to have such kind people giving me encouragement and tools to try and get me thru means so much. Every time I try to refocus and get rid of the carby foods, I am so unhappy depressed and miserable. I have tried medication because I suffer from depression and anxiety, but my last experience was bad and trying to get off it was unbelievable. I had a counsellor who now is on a medical leave suggested Wellbutrin, but I am scared for one of weight gain, and the side affects. So trying to decide what to do. I also need to find another counsellor.....ugh....I have been reading a book called binge breaker.....but I clearly have issues I need to work thru......completely irrational thinking when it comes to food. I am so mad, sad and feel defeated again......the damage I have done already.......again to my body is just unbelievable!! Disgusting, I don't want to go out to work or get together' s.........I don't want to face people the way I look.

I am going to look up the two books recommended......thank you so much to everyone again....I am on track so far today....P1 and went to the gym, but still feeling pissed and sorry for myself. Hoping it passes soon. I have a potluck to go to on Friday with my daughters horse group, then a get together on the 21, then Christmas. My original plan was to try to be good thru the week and slack on those get together nights, then Xmas of course.....then go full tilt in January with no more temptation, but after a couple days of binges i have to rethink my plans. I feel like I am tired of missing out on stuff because I am always dieting......but I am always bargaining with myself. Anyway thank you thank you, you have all given some advice and tools to help me out.

usmcvet
12-10-2012, 12:03 PM
You are the only one who can take control of your eating. I know I've struggled with my issues for YEARS and plan to work on them for the rest of my life. I've had many more good days than bad since IP but I struggle too. I was on track for gastric bypass and part of that process was speaking to several doctors about why I eat. Once I did some of that work it really helped me. I needed to come up with other soothing choices and behaviors to do instead of stuffing my face. It's worked for me. Good luck.

patns
12-10-2012, 12:12 PM
Kelly, just another question. Are your stats correct? If so you are not in too bad a range now and may want to phase off and go to mainenance for a while. Then maybe come back for the final assault when you feel more stabalized.

Pamelama
12-10-2012, 12:14 PM
Everyone posts were valid & kellycg102, what you posted took alot of courage and you probably helped others who are too scared to admit what is going on. I'm glad you are open to suggestions, and that you are going to get those books. I would like to "strongly" suggest that you see someone regarding your compulsive bingeing and eating. Even if it's just for 1 or 2 visits, see someone who specializes in eating disorders (this is my unprofessional opinion - but I am a IP coach who has some experience dealing with this) if you were my client, I would recommend this.
Sometimes emotional issues need more help than a book can provide or these boards. They are great tools to help support you, but I think you would benefit from a counselor that specializes in eating disorders. Good luck to you!!! Keep us posted on your progress.

All the best, Pam

becca1978
12-10-2012, 01:33 PM
All I can say is that you are great for trying to figure it out now!

I am starting over again. It hurts to type this, but I lost 30 lbs in the summer of 2011 and slowly gained 50 lbs back. I am to the point now that I know I have to do it. I am going to download the books that were recommended!

I was on Wellbutrin a couple years ago. It actually made me lose my appetite, so I didn't gain weight. But it didn't do anything for my anxiety.

kellycg102
12-10-2012, 02:08 PM
Kelly, just another question. Are your stats correct? If so you are not in too bad a range now and may want to phase off and go to mainenance for a while. Then maybe come back for the final assault when you feel more stabalized.

Unfortunately my stats are not accurate. I will get the guts up to change them:mad: thank you for your suggestion;)

Everyone posts were valid & kellycg102, what you posted took alot of courage and you probably helped others who are too scared to admit what is going on. I'm glad you are open to suggestions, and that you are going to get those books. I would like to "strongly" suggest that you see someone regarding your compulsive bingeing and eating. Even if it's just for 1 or 2 visits, see someone who specializes in eating disorders (this is my unprofessional opinion - but I am a IP coach who has some experience dealing with this) if you were my client, I would recommend this.
Sometimes emotional issues need more help than a book can provide or these boards. They are great tools to help support you, but I think you would benefit from a counselor that specializes in eating disorders. Good luck to you!!! Keep us posted on your progress.

All the best, Pam

Thank you Pam. I agree I do need to see someone. I have looked at over eaters anonymous, and thought of an addictions counsellor....I haven't come across an eating disorder counsellor yet but will keep looking. Appreciate the time you took to offer your opinion:)


All I can say is that you are great for trying to figure it out now!

I am starting over again. It hurts to type this, but I lost 30 lbs in the summer of 2011 and slowly gained 50 lbs back. I am to the point now that I know I have to do it. I am going to download the books that were recommended!

I was on Wellbutrin a couple years ago. It actually made me lose my appetite, so I didn't gain weight. But it didn't do anything for my anxiety.

It sucks I know.....I would love to just eat to survive.....I think of food all day long!! Regaining is what I have alway done. Good for you for getting back on.....wishing you luck:hug:

kellycg102
12-10-2012, 02:16 PM
All I can say is that you are great for trying to figure it out now!

I am starting over again. It hurts to type this, but I lost 30 lbs in the summer of 2011 and slowly gained 50 lbs back. I am to the point now that I know I have to do it. I am going to download the books that were recommended!

I was on Wellbutrin a couple years ago. It actually made me lose my appetite, so I didn't gain weight. But it didn't do anything for my anxiety.


Forgot to mention I did read that most people lost one Wellbutrin but I am concerned about it because from what I understand it is for depression and can cause or make anxiety worse.....I have enough of it so don't need a boost. Plus I read it can make people moody and angry and I have tendencies to get like that too so worried it would enhance that too. I think I have to try something tho, even for a little while.


You are the only one who can take control of your eating. I know I've struggled with my issues for YEARS and plan to work on them for the rest of my life. I've had many more good days than bad since IP but I struggle too. I was on track for gastric bypass and part of that process was speaking to several doctors about why I eat. Once I did some of that work it really helped me. I needed to come up with other soothing choices and behaviors to do instead of stuffing my face. It's worked for me. Good luck.


I know what your saying. I was just really taken back loosing 50lbs, being the smallest I have ever been,loving how I looked and felt....and my eating issues didn't fix.....like I said I binge worse now then ever. So frustrating....I just didn't expect it at all!
You have done so well, glad you were able to work on some of your issues and you are on a road to happiness for yourself. Life long work for sure!! Thank you

kellycg102
12-10-2012, 03:21 PM
I have found a counsellor specializing in eating disorders, now just waiting for the phone call for an official appointment! First step! Thank you all

IPbeginnerNOLA
12-10-2012, 04:15 PM
This is one thing that I'm extremely worried about once I get into Phase 4 of this diet.

I love food so much so I'm super worried that once this diet ends and I can eat whatever I want, I'll do just that. I'm hoping that once I get there, I'll be willing to work out a lot more to maintain my weight and also continue to eat healthy. Especially since I've found recipes that I really do enjoy and they make it seem like I don't really need cheese or breads back in my life.

I just know that I've had a couple of cheats since I've started and although there hasn't been many and I've been losing weight and I feel HORRIBLE afterward, it's really easy for me to eat a Hershey's kiss, especially when it's so readily available.

patns
12-10-2012, 07:00 PM
This is one thing that I'm extremely worried about once I get into Phase 4 of this diet.

I love food so much so I'm super worried that once this diet ends and I can eat whatever I want, I'll do just that. I'm hoping that once I get there, I'll be willing to work out a lot more to maintain my weight and also continue to eat healthy. Especially since I've found recipes that I really do enjoy and they make it seem like I don't really need cheese or breads back in my life.

I just know that I've had a couple of cheats since I've started and although there hasn't been many and I've been losing weight and I feel HORRIBLE afterward, it's really easy for me to eat a Hershey's kiss, especially when it's so readily available.


You will find you ease into phase 4 and add things back carefully. It is not like plunging off the deep end suddenly so it is not really terribly frightening.

Pamelama
12-10-2012, 07:19 PM
I have found a counsellor specializing in eating disorders, now just waiting for the phone call for an official appointment! First step! Thank you all

Good luck to you! You deserve peace.:hug:

Pam

falzacer
12-10-2012, 07:23 PM
Thank you for sharing. I have been roller coasting for the last few weeks. Even on cheat days I feel guilty and then because I feel guilty I want to eat and then I feel guilty again. Each one of you has accomplished amazing things - I guess we all need to remember that - and more importantly remember to be kind to ourselves. Praying for each and everyone of you both in your trials and in your success . . . praying for peace.

patns
12-10-2012, 07:36 PM
Kelly, don't worry about updating your stats, I was just thinking if they were right you were getting yourself extremely stressed over a few pounds. Actually I was talking to myself too because I am up to 135 from 130 and need to stop the upward spiral quickly.

LexiChanel1
03-26-2013, 03:55 PM
This was a great post Kelly!

newday2013
03-26-2013, 04:23 PM
Kelly, it's clear that you're not alone. My anxiety gets me into all sorts of trouble, including food problems. I see it now as a coping, self medicating issue and not a "diet" issue. But, unlike drugs or alcohol, we need to eat right? So it's complex...counselling is key for me, control the anxiety and control the food issues. I did meds too, but am currently weaning off. Bottom line? You just reached out, which is much more than most people do, so you're already ahead. It will get better now.
My problem is that I wake up and think that the weight has all come back!! Or that with every bite I take, I'm gaining the weight back! Crazy I know, but nevertheless, I push those feelings aside and do this one day at a time. Oh, and then I come here and lean on my peeps :)

safetylady
03-26-2013, 04:58 PM
Thanks Louise I downloaded this last night on my kindle and definitely think it is a must read.

It is by Kathryn Hansen, she writes it for bulimics but it actually is very appropriate for any type of eating disorder.

Her approach to food was one which many people can relate to and exactly as Kelly described in the first post in this thread.

She was not a purging bulimic but a severe binger who then did extreme exercise for the up to 10 hours the next day so she wouldn't gain weight. She was diagnosed as a bulimic but it is the same as anyone who really overeats; just without the extreme exercise most people who binge like she did become very overweight.

Her recovery came through reading Rational Recovery:The New Cure for Substance Addiction by Jack Trimpey.

That book is used as an alternative to A.A. and my son used it to overcome alchoholism is his 20s and has been totally sober for 10 years now. We had been beside ourselves trying to help him since his late teens and nothing had worked so that book was like a miracle with him.

Soon after he used the same approach to stop smoking based on a book by Allan Carr. So two very strong addictions overcome in a very brief time.

I find this book on eating fascinating and highly recommend it.

After I finish it I want to download the other book mentioned above Potatoes Not Prozac but not sure how that would work with my carb addiction.

Pat

Am going to download it on my kindle tonight. thanks

wildviolets
03-26-2013, 05:18 PM
I don't post much either but I can totally relate. I want to lose another 15 lbs so I'm trying to start up again. It's really hard and so easy to say "I'll start tomorrow."

I've just started to read "The Beck Diet Cure" which deals mostly with the psychological side of dieting. I'm trying to do it step by step because emotional and binge eating are a life time habit of mine and it literally makes me sick (headaches, stomach aches, etc). I don't want to be like that anymore. There is a forum on this site for people who are following this book.

Also one of my all time favorite books is by Julia Ross called Mood Cure. It talks about brain chemistry and how depression and anxiety can cured with amino acid supplements. It's a little complicated for me to explain on here but i had times when I was irrational upset and anxious about things or just flat and depressed. I followed her suggestions for a few months and feel TONS better. The supplements she suggested are not forever. Just til you get your brain balanced. It's worth a try if you don't want to be on medication just yet (not that there is anything wrong with medication).

REgardless what you do, good luck and know you are not alone and that many, many people feel the same way.

I'm off to check out some of the book mentioned in this thread.

ladylunk
03-26-2013, 05:53 PM
I see the original post was back in December, but obviously this is a valid issue for many of us right now. Me included. I too am interested in these books. Also was wondering if anyone has read The Power and The Secret. By some Australian author.... I know one is about turning negative thinking to positive and that is something I need to work on.

Blessed900711
03-26-2013, 06:33 PM
I am so sorry you are experiencing this.

I know we each have our own story to tell, but please let me share the little I have learned.

Remember your beautiful progress!!! It is amazing and impressive and I bet you thought you could never do it! But you did! Gosh, how so many hope to be there! You are an inspiration!!!

You don't have to change the next year, month, week, or day, or even hour. Just the next moment.

You are worth the effort to change the next moment.

Treat yourself with the same respect and love and caring that your would treat whomever you most love in the world.

Do not harm yourself with food. You are worth too much to allow any harm to yourself!

Remember, in a sense, how you treat yourself is how you are telling others it is okay to treat you.

It only takes a moment. Just one. Just get through that one with every ploy and trick you used in the past, and try some new ones! http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/270568-inspiration-ideas.html

http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/271256-my-ip-struggles-motivation-what-keeps-you-motivated.html

Let us help you!

YOU CAN DO THIS! Just look at your numbers, your pics! You already know how...

Wow, this is beautiful, I think I'm going to print this and read it everyday!

Going4Fit
06-01-2013, 02:36 PM
Oh wow, I can't believe I stumbled upon this old thread. kellycg102 your experience is so similar to mine. I joined MRC, which is a low-cal, low-carb, high-protein diet. I think I really screwed up my body.
...I was the smallest I had ever been, loving the compliments, finally felt comfortable in my skin for the most part
I too got smaller than I'd ever been and I loved it. I had always dreamed of being thin and I finally, finally was!

Then I phased off.....then the binging started.....but so much worse then I ever was.
I had my first binge just four days after phasing off. I was shocked at how sick I felt and how much I continued to eat. And the weight gain from one day of overeating was shocking! I looked like I was five months pregnant.

Before IP I had always been somewhat of a binger....never 2 cookies, always a row and a half, love fast food and so on...
Me too - obviously I didn't get to nearly 200 lbs by not being an overeater to begin with.

IP was the longest diet I have ever followed 100% for a length of time....Being on IP for like 25 weeks or so then phasing off I lost complete control and now my binging is so much worse.....to the point that I am eating when I am completely full still and can't reason with myself why I shouldn't eat 3 donuts or fast food 3x a day.
MRC was the longest I'd ever followed a diet 100% as well. Also about 25 weeks (6 months). I lost 60lbs. I know I'm not eating because I'm hungry - I just feel absolutely driven to overeat. All I can think about are what treats/junk food can I get to today. My life is revolving around it.

If I "allow" myself to eat something off plan it is all or nothing and then it turns into eating as much of everything before tomorrow comes.
Yep, all my binges start by "allowing" myself to eat something off plan. I should be able to handle a meal at someone elses house every now and then, and everyone around me kept telling me to relax and that I look fine. But each time I tried to relax, it would trigger another night of binge eating. But each time it happened, it took me longer and longer to get back on plan. I kept thinking of more types of junk food I wanted to be sure to eat before I went back to eating healthy.

I truly thought losing all the weight I would do the right thing and maintain...
I know! I kept seeing and hearing other people at the center who were back because they'd gained all the weight back. I though no way, not me. I've never been this thin before and I did this diet so successfully, I'll never give this up.

Now all I think of is what people are saying about my very quick weight gain....
I'm so embarrassed of this too - very difficult to go out. Want to avoid seeing people who knew how thin I'd gotten and will see how quickly I put it all back on.

A gal on the MRC subforum here recommended the book "The Diet Cure" by Julia Ross. In this thread someone already brought up her book "The Mood Cure". Same concept only specifically related to the damage we do with our low calorie diets, or diets of highly processed foods, etc. The chapter on low calorie dieting seems to fit with what happened to me with MRC - why my binging has been so much worse since finishing that program. She says the the yo-yo dieting happens because the low calorie diets mess up our brain chemistry. So when we try the carbs or junk food again, it's like crack for our brains. She says proper brain chemistry can be restored so that's what I'm going to try and am praying it works. Even if I never get as thin again as I did on the MRC plan, I can't keep living like this - constantly seeking my next high from food and getting fatter every day.

Momto2cs
06-01-2013, 09:25 PM
As an alternative, even if slow paced, I really urge you to look at precision nutritions lean eater program. I am really liking it.

skelley331
06-02-2013, 08:31 PM
It's a very expensive program though! $99 down and $99 a month. What type of foods do you eat?