Ideal Protein Diet - IP Supplements - Are they necessary?




FreeBird3
12-08-2012, 02:48 PM
Prior to going on IP, I took my own vitamins (i.e. One-A-Day for Women, Nordic Fish Oil, Vitamin D3, and Caltrate). My IP coach told me to only use IP Supplements. I reviewed the IP supplements with what I usually take and noticed my supplements provide a lot more vitamins and minerals.

At the end of the day, I know IP is just a method of making business/money for these IP coaches & chiropractic clinic. I don't think I should take these "special" IP supplements when my own supplements contain the same stuff.

What is your opinion about these IP supplements?


infoplease
12-08-2012, 03:14 PM
Prior to going on IP, I took my own vitamins (i.e. One-A-Day for Women, Nordic Fish Oil, Vitamin D3, and Caltrate). My IP coach told me to only use IP Supplements. I reviewed the IP supplements with what I usually take and noticed my supplements provide a lot more vitamins and minerals.

At the end of the day, I know IP is just a method of making business/money for these IP coaches & chiropractic clinic. I don't think I should take these "special" IP supplements when my own supplements contain the same stuff.

What is your opinion about these IP supplements?

The only ones "required" are the multi, the cal-mag and the potassium.
If your one-a-day/D3 combo is the same or better, stick with that.
Fish Oil is optional so stick with yours regardless.
Consider looking very carefully at the caltrate versus the IP cal-mag and potassium combo. Definitely consider taking those, especially if you are prone to foot cramps. These really are meant to keep the electrolyte balance and mineral balance due to the things we don't eat in Phase 1. Those are the two that the folks on alternates have a little trouble finding matches for.

The IP ones seem to be fairly high quality but they are not magic pills, of course, and are pricey. Any of the other stuff you can definitely politely refuse without endangering your health.

Alma4343
12-08-2012, 03:24 PM
I think the Potassium and Cal-Mag are important to take. If I don't take them, I get really bad leg cramps at night.


scorbett1103
12-08-2012, 03:29 PM
The issue with non-IP vitamins is with the FORM of the nutrients and the dosing.

IP by its nature is taxing on your liver and kidneys. Some forms of common nutrients can ALSO be tough on your liver and kidneys to process. I've done a lot of research into this, and made the decision to use strictly IP vitamins while I am in Phase 1 because one thing IP did VERY right was create vitamins that were extremely bio-available/easy for the body to process.

This is particularly true for the potassium. Most commercial potassium supplements use potassium citrate or gluconate. IP's version uses potassium carbonate - which is the broken-down form of potassium gluconate. It is much easier on your body to process and absorb and does not add additional stress on your liver/kidneys.

IP's vitamins are also set up to balance out the nutrients we are NOT getting from the limited diet we eat in Phase 1. If you choose to use commercial supplements I would strongly suggest you compare both dosing and forms of the vitamins and minerals - 100mg of potassium gluconate is not going to be equivalent to 100mg of potassium carbonate, and that is going to be true of most nutrients.

EDIT: As was mentioned before, the only required vitamins on Phase 1 are the multivitamin, the Calcium-Magnesium and the Potassium-Calcium. You CAN use a commercial Omega-3 supplement if you choose to, and the other viatmins are not really necessary.

infoplease
12-08-2012, 03:47 PM
The issue with non-IP vitamins is with the FORM of the nutrients and the dosing.

IP by its nature is taxing on your liver and kidneys. Some forms of common nutrients can ALSO be tough on your liver and kidneys to process. I've done a lot of research into this, and made the decision to use strictly IP vitamins while I am in Phase 1 because one thing IP did VERY right was create vitamins that were extremely bio-available/easy for the body to process.

This is particularly true for the potassium. Most commercial potassium supplements use potassium citrate or gluconate. IP's version uses potassium carbonate - which is the broken-down form of potassium gluconate. It is much easier on your body to process and absorb and does not add additional stress on your liver/kidneys.

IP's vitamins are also set up to balance out the nutrients we are NOT getting from the limited diet we eat in Phase 1. If you choose to use commercial supplements I would strongly suggest you compare both dosing and forms of the vitamins and minerals - 100mg of potassium gluconate is not going to be equivalent to 100mg of potassium carbonate, and that is going to be true of most nutrients.

EDIT: As was mentioned before, the only required vitamins on Phase 1 are the multivitamin, the Calcium-Magnesium and the Potassium-Calcium. You CAN use a commercial Omega-3 supplement if you choose to, and the other viatmins are not really necessary.

We really do need a like button.

What is your opinion on the enzymes? Although not the question of the OP, I did use these for a time and they seemed to do something. They seemed a little synergistic with the novi-lax. Had you looked into that at all? Any thoughts? (I really appreciate your informative and authoritative responses.)

maezy1
12-08-2012, 04:35 PM
A friend of mine did the program and stopped using all supplements. She had an emergency gall bladder surgery that the doctor said was a direct result of her not taking her pot-cal, cal-mags. She cant do this program, or any other like this again. Every time i see her (at work) she is asking me if I am taking my cal-mags, and pot-cals

scorbett1103
12-08-2012, 05:14 PM
We really do need a like button.

What is your opinion on the enzymes? Although not the question of the OP, I did use these for a time and they seemed to do something. They seemed a little synergistic with the novi-lax. Had you looked into that at all? Any thoughts? (I really appreciate your informative and authoritative responses.)

The Natura Enzymes are just Omega 3 and Omega 6 - from everything I've found there's not really any difference than taking an OTC Omega 3-6-9 supplement. Especially if you are taking a Fish Oil or Krill supplement, you may already be getting most of what you need. A vitamin E based Omega 3 supplement would be strictly Omega 3 and that might be worth switching to a 3-6-9. The oil-based Omega supplements would work in synergy with anything you use to keep things "moving", simply because it's oil in your digestive tract and helps "grease the works" :)

Glad I can help!

infoplease
12-08-2012, 07:02 PM
The Natura Enzymes are just Omega 3 and Omega 6 - from everything I've found there's not really any difference than taking an OTC Omega 3-6-9 supplement. Especially if you are taking a Fish Oil or Krill supplement, you may already be getting most of what you need. A vitamin E based Omega 3 supplement would be strictly Omega 3 and that might be worth switching to a 3-6-9. The oil-based Omega supplements would work in synergy with anything you use to keep things "moving", simply because it's oil in your digestive tract and helps "grease the works" :)

Glad I can help!

I never paid attention to the 2mg Omega 3 and 6mg Omega 6 as I was always looking at the list that began with papaya, ginger, fenugreek. Makes perfect sense that there was a "synergy". I am using 2 tablespoons of ground flax seed most p4 days now. I pretty much abandoned the supplements as I ran out of them in p4, but I bet it might serve me well to continue to take some stuff. There was some discussion on that in the maintenance thread. Thanks for the explanation.

scorbett1103
12-08-2012, 07:30 PM
I never paid attention to the 2mg Omega 3 and 6mg Omega 6 as I was always looking at the list that began with papaya, ginger, fenugreek. Makes perfect sense that there was a "synergy". I am using 2 tablespoons of ground flax seed most p4 days now. I pretty much abandoned the supplements as I ran out of them in p4, but I bet it might serve me well to continue to take some stuff. There was some discussion on that in the maintenance thread. Thanks for the explanation.

Yeah, the jury's out on whether the herbs in the supplement actually contribute much (fresh papaya has enzymatic properties, but not so much with dried). Ginger is good for the digestive tract but you'd get the same effect from drinking ginger tea (and it's MUCH tastier!). And I'm a big fan of Flax or Psyllium for the pipelines :)

The "Big 3" supplements for phase 1 probably aren't as necessary beyond P1 just because you are eating a much broader range of nutrients in P4 so there's not as much ground to make up. I'm still mentally preparing for P4, but I will definitely continue the Omega supplement (I took it before IP as well), and switch to a regular OTC multivitamin.

infoplease
12-08-2012, 11:18 PM
Thanks, Scorbett. And apologies to FreeBird3 for semi-hijacking your thread.

bluegirl9
06-09-2013, 11:47 AM
What do you do if you forget to take your Cal-Mags with your snack? Can you take them later, on their own, w/o food?

crazynette826
06-09-2013, 12:08 PM
Yes. I frequently forget to take them with my snack, and take them right before bed, and haven't had any issues. It's more important to get them in. It's probably better with the snack, but it doesn't upset my stomach to take them without food.

Butterfly queen
06-09-2013, 02:08 PM
The issue with non-IP vitamins is with the FORM of the nutrients and the dosing.

IP by its nature is taxing on your liver and kidneys. Some forms of common nutrients can ALSO be tough on your liver and kidneys to process. I've done a lot of research into this, and made the decision to use strictly IP vitamins while I am in Phase 1 because one thing IP did VERY right was create vitamins that were extremely bio-available/easy for the body to process.

This is particularly true for the potassium. Most commercial potassium supplements use potassium citrate or gluconate. IP's version uses potassium carbonate - which is the broken-down form of potassium gluconate. It is much easier on your body to process and absorb and does not add additional stress on your liver/kidneys.

IP's vitamins are also set up to balance out the nutrients we are NOT getting from the limited diet we eat in Phase 1. If you choose to use commercial supplements I would strongly suggest you compare both dosing and forms of the vitamins and minerals - 100mg of potassium gluconate is not going to be equivalent to 100mg of potassium carbonate, and that is going to be true of most nutrients.

EDIT: As was mentioned before, the only required vitamins on Phase 1 are the multivitamin, the Calcium-Magnesium and the Potassium-Calcium. You CAN use a commercial Omega-3 supplement if you choose to, and the other viatmins are not really necessary.

I am confused about the Potassium supplement. The new phase 1 sheet says Potassium citrate. I am preparing to start IP using alternatives. Which supplement should I be looking for?

42itus
06-09-2013, 04:19 PM
I am confused about the Potassium supplement. The new phase 1 sheet says Potassium citrate. I am preparing to start IP using alternatives. Which supplement should I be looking for?

There's a discussion of this in a thread on potassium vitamins: http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/ideal-protein-diet/280927-potassium-vitamin-alternatives.html

According to the posters in that thread, Ideal Protein had to change to potassium citrate for U.S. sales because of FDA requirements. Alternatives for the new formula are pretty easy to find.

IPguy442
06-10-2013, 02:03 AM
I think it's harsh to say that the food or supplements are a money grab.
the fact is that users of IP need the base supplements and it's too much to ask to make people chase them on their own since some alternatives may be incomplete. I can't imagine asking the patients to comprehend the science behind this diet AND ensuring that their OTC supplements are complete for a fee that is the same as my out of network Copay that I give for sickcare.

also, I don't pay my coach. Even if they made 50% profit on the consultative fee l, two weeks of food, and initial supplements ($350) and foods ($84/wk in P1), that's less than $50 per session.

I'd have gladly paid that over being on the death-march I've been on getting fatter every year for 20 years.

JLUS
06-10-2013, 07:32 AM
I was told on several occasions by people who have come out to our house from the Septic company that they KNOW for a fact that most of the basic all-in-one vitamins people take (One-a-Day. Centrum, etc) are NOT absorbed into the body. How do THEY know? They know because septic systems are laden with them as they pass right through the body almost unchanged!

I have also heard the same thing from doctors.

mylastdiet
06-10-2013, 08:19 AM
I was told on several occasions by people who have come out to our house from the Septic company that they KNOW for a fact that most of the basic all-in-one vitamins people take (One-a-Day. Centrum, etc) are NOT absorbed into the body. How do THEY know? They know because septic systems are laden with them as they pass right through the body almost unchanged!

I have also heard the same thing from doctors.


Sorry, but there is no way in the world I would rely on any medical information provided by a septic tank employee. There is absolutely no way for them to "KNOW for a fact" anything about what vitamins people absorb. It's a bit creepy to picture them sifting through years old septic tank contents examining for vitamins. Ewww.....

beckyjwebb
06-10-2013, 08:38 AM
when I was in phase 1, I ended up in emergency room with low potassium because I was not taking my IP potassium.

EllyElle
06-10-2013, 09:09 AM
Supplements are EXTREMELY necessary!

With the help of my health practitioner, I was able to substitute my supplements early in the program. However, I was advised to continue using the Natura Potassium because it was just the best option.

Below I have shared the supplements I use:
Multivita -> One-A-Day Women's (Walmart)
CalMag -> Nature's Bounty Calcium Magnesium

Additional supplements that my doctor recommended I take include:
GNC Omega 3
Nature's Bounty Biotine (Hair)
Lorna Vanderhaeghe™ Collagen Plus OR GNC Women's Collagen (Aid in smoothing and tightening skin)

I hope this helps

accgy
06-10-2013, 11:26 AM
I don't know if they have Jamiesons Vitamins in the states but I believe this would be comparable to the CAL-MAG
http://www.jamiesonvitamins.com/node/20

Suchawittygal
06-10-2013, 12:19 PM
Scorbett....How do you still get IP supplements without seeing a coach? All the sites I used to buy from don't sell true IP supplements anymore. Can you share a link??

Thanks!

IPguy442
06-10-2013, 01:31 PM
One more "substitution" here.
I discontinued the Omega from IP due to the fact that I take 2 capsules, twice daily of Lovaza.

A compromise I had made with my Dr. prior to IP had me take this vs other stuff like Crestor/Lipitor since those give me muscle pain and weakness.

I don't want to be anywhere near Lipitor/Crestor or its friends when trying to do any sort of physical activity.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/203323-lovaza-vs-fish-oil/

While this is more expensive than even the IP fish oil, it is a little more concentrated and should make your MD and your coach happy.

My Triglycerides are kicking @ 90 right now, so I am happy with this even though it is still a pretty hefty copay. Once I am in maintenance and am pretty confident in my weight mgmt, I may try switching to an OTC Fish oil and ditch the Lovaza under my Dr.s guidance.

scorbett1103
06-10-2013, 06:51 PM
Sorry, but there is no way in the world I would rely on any medical information provided by a septic tank employee. There is absolutely no way for them to "KNOW for a fact" anything about what vitamins people absorb. It's a bit creepy to picture them sifting through years old septic tank contents examining for vitamins. Ewww.....

Those folks "know for a fact" because they pump the stuff out, and things like undigested vitamins clog up the works. Waste is also processed once it is pumped out so there is evidence there too. It's fairly well known that a lot of the vitamins we take (particularly OTC stuff that is full of fillers) aren't really fully absorbed by the body. That, or because we are self-medicating we end up over-taking vitamins (particularly B and C) which just turns into expensive pee. That's why it's so important to 1) choose good vitamins with bioavailable versions of nutrients, and 2) be extremely educated or work with a health care professional on the right combination of supplements in the right doses.



Scorbett....How do you still get IP supplements without seeing a coach? All the sites I used to buy from don't sell true IP supplements anymore. Can you share a link??

Thanks!

I actually stopped using IP vitamins, now that I'm in maintenance I am eating a fully balanced diet and only take the supplements my doctor has recommended based on my bloodwork. Wish i could be of more help!