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03-06-2001, 07:27 PM

I just wanted to give everyone a PAT ON THE BACK!! It's been SEVEN WHOLE DAYS since anyone posted anything here. Maybe...just Maybe we're finally learning the IF IT LOOKS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE....IT PROBABLY IS!
The sooner we all realize THERE IS NO MAGIC BULLET, the better off we'll all be.

03-06-2001, 09:35 PM
I had also noticed the lack of postings on the Scams board... I've always had the impression that the posters on 3FC are much more aware than those on other boards I've been on!


03-07-2001, 10:45 AM
I totally agree. Actually there was a funny joke I heard about that. The joke was titled, "News Headlines In 2050". One of the headlines was, "Scientific Evidence That Healthy Eating And Exercise Sure Way To Lose Weight". *LOL*

03-09-2001, 11:28 PM
I was surfing last night and came across a site called I clicked on and was amazed at what it was the had about 9 or 10 different "diet pill formulas" I don't know why you would need that many, or what the difference in them could be, but they were there.
They also had a message board and I spent quite a while reading it. Every message talked about how GREAT the particular pill they were taking was. What I found extremely interesting was that all the post were from people who had just started taking the pills. There were no posts form anyone who had taken any of them for any length of time, or from anyone who had lost more that 5 or 6 pounds. I guess everyone who had taken them longer than a couple of weeks had already found out they didn't work an no longer felt like posting on the site.

03-09-2001, 11:54 PM
I am always amazed at how defensive people get when they feel you're 'putting down' the latest weight-loss gimmick -- be it Slim Fast, Atkins, whatever -- just as you stated so eloquently in your post, for the most part the poster(s) is in the 'honeymoon phase' of using the product.

Products promising 'fast weight loss' are at best, a waste of your money, and at worst, downright dangerous...I myself spent hundreds - maybe thousands - of dollars for years until I figured out that the only way to true permanent weight loss is to 'educate thyself!' on proper nutrition and exercise (easily done through your local library or on the Net - but watch it - if the site in question is selling a product, I would take their info with a HUGE grain of salt!) and making PERMANENT, LIVEABLE lifestyle changes...That's how I've kept off over 100 pounds for over 10 years...

03-10-2001, 05:13 PM
Mrs.Jim why do you always refer to slimfast when talking about fast weightloss and gimmicks? It is ANYTHING BUT FAST! If .5-2 lbs a week is fast then call me speedy! Slimfast has been around for over 15 years and much success! You only put it down because YOU don't like it. I don't like salads, but I don't put them down! Or say the people who enjoy them are using weightloss gimmicks like lowfat?

I have tried the little meals through out the day stuff but I was ALWAYS hungry!! I only started slimfast one day to try it since I had some and found "my god Im not hungry like usual" at lunch time.I also had no donut cravings as usual! When I ate cereal or something or even a fruit shake at 9am I was starving by 11am!

Why is it so damn hard to accept that we are all different and like different things be it shakes or small meals??? It is not a gimmick and yes I get defensive because it really worked for me quite well after trying everything there was out there! I had on average over 30 grams of fat a day and 1400 calories on it some days.It all went on my appetite.I had no more cravings and no more binges.I also saved $250 a month on food I was eating ie: salads,lowfat everything! 1 $20 dollar can lasted all month!

I am just getting so sick of seeing this lack of support for peoples choices. Isn't this a support forum? You know the slimfast drinkers will read this. Of course we get defensive. Its what we really like! Leave it at that without critisizing us!

03-10-2001, 07:54 PM
Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You are entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to my opinion.

You say "Slim-Fast is anything but fast!" By its very name, Slim-Fast purports that if you are on their product, you will get slim, fast. I remember well when Slim-Fast was first introduced - it didn't sell really well until Oprah Winfrey went on Optifast and lost 67 pounds -- Thompson Medical (the manufacturers of Slim-Fast and Dexatrim) then jumped on the liquid diet bandwagon with a multi-million dollar ad campaign to take advantage of that.

I'll quote Michael Fumento from "Fat of the Land":

"At one time, diet drinks (such as Slim-Fast, Ultra-Slim-Fast, Dyna Trim, and Nestle's Sweet Success) were all the rage. By 1990, they were a $1.3-billion business, and hawked by numerous former fatties, ranging from LA Dodgers manager Tommy Lasorda to former New York Mayor Ed Koch to TV personality Williard Scott. But Scott and Lasorda became fat again (I haven't seen Koch lately to judge) and diet drink sales have plummeted - 44% just between 1991 and 1992. Why? Probably because everyone else was having Willard Scott's and Tommy Lasorda's experience..."

Now, I have used Slim-Fast, as have members of my family and friends. I was also on Optifast in 1990 and dropped from 265 to 207 pounds during the 12 week fast and have kept that off (as well as lost more) for over ten years. However, I do not necessarily recommend Optifast or other VLCDs, mainly because of the extremely low maintenance rate for most of the women in the 18-month Stanford study which I was participating in at the time - and we all want PERMANENT weight loss, don't we? The real problem I have with many of these products is the slick marketing technique many of the commercial diet products and programs use. The title of one book put it so well - many of those companies are truly "Feeding On Dreams" - the dreams that many of us have of being thin, normal, like everyone else.

My feeling is, if someone asks a question about their experiences on a certain diet plan, whether good or bad, everyone has the right to post their opinions and/or experience with that plan or product. I assume that if someone is wondering about a certain product or plan, they want a truthful, heartfelt, educated answer and that is what I strive to give.

One more thing -- I am not being critical of you or anyone using Slim-Fast - again, if you'll read my posts, I'm actually critical of the diet industry. Don't take it personally!!!

03-11-2001, 12:53 AM

KENNEDY: Yes, this is a support forum, but this is not a support thread! The KEY WORD here is SCAMS....
Yes, some people lose weight on "liquid" diets, but the majority DON'T...If you have and have successfully kept it off, then CONGRATS TO YOU...

I don't recall seeing your name addressed in the above mentioned post, so I agree with MRS JIM...DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL!! :nono:

03-11-2001, 11:57 AM
Just wanted to say thanks so much...

...and I LOVE the smilie on your post!!! How come I never noticed it before - ROTFL!!!

Take care all!

03-11-2001, 12:03 PM

Thanks, I just get SO TIRED of the negativity I see on this board at times. I'm a member of the SUGAR BUSTER
board, and WE JUST DON'T HAVE THIS AT ALL!! I find it hard to cope when I visit other boards and see it "raring" up in my face. People JUST DON'T GET IT:nono:
I appreciate all the trouble you go to in your posts, and enjoy EVERY ONE OF THEM~

03-11-2001, 12:25 PM
Of course all of these things are scams - IF THEY DIDN'T WORK FOR YOU!!! Things that work for someone are considered to be wonderful and the best things ever. Some perspective is necessary here. Get a grip. Carleen... (Yes, I'm a little grumpy today.)

03-11-2001, 01:29 PM
Why would you say I am ruining the thread. Thats just not neccesary. The reason I take it personal may be that I have raging hormones and a bit of grumpiness from 24 hour bedrest and pregnancy but I have done slimfast ALOT and it worked great for me. It just seems whenever someone posted about it all they got was negativity from people who tried it for a week and it didn't work or people who tried it and regained the weight saying there choice is a fad diet and won't keep the weight off. How would you feel if everyone always put it down? I have tried it and kept the weight off when I was done so I get defensive because it is a liquid diet but if it is a fad diet then are protein shakes and what not. I don't have time to make my own fruit or protein shake in the AM so I drink slimfast. My OB also recomended it for vitamins this pregnancy I need when I can't swallow the big prenatal vitamin. I just don't like to hear that I "ruined" a good thread by telling how I felt. I wasn't being negative I was being honest. How was I negative for defending a choice? If anything I was trying to stop the negativity !!Maybe if I said something like I have seen in other threads recently from simply mean ladies trying to hurt people(Ive seen 2 or 3) but I didn't. I wouldn't. So I was just saying try putting something like Herbalife in place of slimfast...then you have your scam and fad diet. Slimfast costs less than food except for dinners and snacks and herbalife was over 350 a month for me didn't work and tasted like dirt to top it all off. I just think slimfast is good for people who have no time in the day and whon love chocolate. Like me. If you want to keep the weight off its easy so I don't consider it a fad diet since it takes a while to lose the weight and isn't going anywhere. I hope that explains what I meant. Im a little upset from bedrest and not being able to go out so maybe I let it come out in my earlier post.

03-13-2001, 12:10 PM
I am a member of Weight Watchers and I did the Slim-Fast diet before rejoining WW for the LAST time. For me, Slim-Fast is convenient, so when I run errands at lunchtime and don't have time for a meal, I grab a Slim-Fast from the fridge here at work. A can of Slim-Fast for a quick lunch, which I can drink at my desk after my lunch break ends, is only 4 points on my WW plan. It prevents me from becoming hungry which would cause me to overeat when I get home. Just my 2 cents....

Jennifer 3FC
03-14-2001, 12:33 AM
Let's try and blow this one over nicely before it gets out of hand. This is probably the most controversial section of the whole forum. We have a lot of opinions that mix together here to state opinions on scam/not scam. On WW we mostly have people happy on their plan, on low carbs the people there are mostly satidfied on their plan, etc etc.

On this page we have potluck and there is bound to be some differences in opinions. Lets take them as individual opinions and let it go. We ALL will never agree on things, but we CAN agree to blow off steam before reacting with our emotional side on the forum. Thanks!

03-14-2001, 05:59 PM
Congrats on your great weight loss! May I ask what
kind of program you've been following? Thanks!


03-17-2001, 11:52 AM
Got in to SFO last night and just now getting a chance to log in and check stuff! Whoa! Hey! What did I start??

How I lost the weight -- Starting in 1990, I was on Optifast for 12 weeks, and went down from 265 to 207 in those two weeks, however to KEEP IT OFF (which I assume is what we all want to do, right?) it's basically just been watching my calorie intake and falling in love with exercise. Basically I concentrate on trying to eat healthy most of the time. Exercise is an important part of pretty much every day as well! I'm not always perfect - in fact, I'm a bit apprehensive about this coming Tuesday when I hop onto the scale (there are SO MANY good restaurants in Miami - plus we were staying at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel which is about as elegant and luxurious as you can get!) because we were eating out every night! BUT I did make sure to hit the exercise room each morning before starting work, and ate a lot of fruit and veggies.

To you Miami citizens out there -- a toast to your city -- I am already planning on visiting again - this time with my husband!

Later everyone! Take care.

03-18-2001, 08:04 AM
Here's my philosophy- most advertised diets work if you use them consistently- I did Weight Watchers years ago and I lost about 40-50 pounds with it. Then I blammed Weight Watchers when I chose to stop using it. It was my fault that I gained everything back.

I did Jenny Craig and that worked until I stopped going. I used to swim an hour and a half at my old fitness center and then I would come home and do the Richard Simmons aerobics video- twice and all of that stuff worked until I chose to no longer use it.

I really think that Slim Fast probably works if people use it consistently. Let's face it, most of these weight loss companies have been in business for years and years and they wouldn't be in business unless their products worked. Word of mouth is more powerful than any other form of advertising.

We all need to take responsibility for your own decisions and weight loss. Everyone know that Weight Watchers works. My girlfriend did Jenny Craig and it worked. My mom used Slim Fast. All of these things work if you decide they are going to work. If you want a change in your life you have to change it. Get rid of the excuses and take responsibility.

For things to get better in your life you have to make them better. It's up to you. It's not up to Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, Slim Fast, Richard Simmons, etc... stop blaming others for your decisions. It's hard to face the truth. when I got to 345 pounds in 1999. That was my fault. I was still blaming my doctors who had me on steroids after my brain tumour surgery.

I used steroids to bring down the swelling in my head. Then I went through chemotherapy and radiation to kill the rest of the brain cancer. The steroids did make me feel hungry all the time, but it was choice to eat all the time. These businesses are in business for a reason. They wouldn't be in business- some of them since the 80's, 60's , etc... if they didn't work.

Scams don't hang around for 20+ years. Excuses do. Believe me I have had my share of excuses. Ask yourself where you will be 5 years from now if you don't get the weight off this year? That's what's important- not finding out that Slim Fast is the newest scam and so on.


03-18-2001, 01:14 PM
Way to go sally!
You are absolutly corret, we always blame the product, doctor etc when we fail or regain what we lost. We all need to start taking responsability for out own actions. I have tried several weight loss programs, Loads of excersise works great, so does Slimfast and other diet drinks or bars. We all need to find what works for us and not worry about everyone else!:nono: Kenedy I understand how you fee. I have alos noticed people putting down others for their choice of diet plan. Not just Slimfast either. Hoever part of what I like about this site is that we can find out from oter peoples experiences what we would like to try or not try. For instance I was thinking of using metabolife and because of what I learned here chose not to. Hey loosing weight is just not worth the risk to me. But I do respect the descisions of those who choose to use it and like it. Ok now we have all let off steam lets go to our respective SUPPORTIVE threads and enjoy some positive interaction.:)

03-20-2001, 05:19 PM
I find it scary that an OB would say that Slim Fast, which contains Nutra Sweet, an unproven chemical as to it's effects on an unborn baby, was okay to drink for a pregnant woman. Ensure, maybe; but Slim Fast, I would find another doctor. I would never be willing to be the first to find out the effects of Nutra Sweet or any other chemical using my baby.

As far as Slim Fast in general as a weight loss product, Tommy Lasorda is living proof of what happens when you stop drinking the stuff. Do you really want to do 2 shakes a day for life? I agree, it's okay as a once in a while thing, I still use my protein powder from one of my old diets as a supplement to WW, but I would never, could never, knowing the effects it can have on a body doing it for too long, do it more than one a week when desparate.

03-20-2001, 08:53 PM
Actually my OB is the best out here(vancouver) and it is very very hard to get in to see him because of that. I was just fortunate that I got into him when someone cancelled last pregnancy and he doesn't like to switch patients for pregnancys. I have asked around and found that alot of other women are drinking it. The slimfast in Canada doesn't contain nutrasweet at least not on the cans I have. It has aspartame and sugar but I drink alot of diet pop which has aspartame because for me withdrawl is alot more dangerous than that. He is very careful of what he puts the patients on.He wouldn't even give me diclectin for ms. I tried boost and ensure and hated them both so he said this is good just as long as I am only having it for snacks not meals during pregnancy! I don't know why but I just didn't like boost and ensure. Maybe it was the flavour I don't know.

03-20-2001, 10:52 PM
FYI, NutraSweet is aspartame's trade name (in the USA anyway - I know other countries use different names).

Our company has an office in Canada and I know that trade names can be extremely different from American ones!

I also believe that the exclusive patent on NutraSweet ran out some time ago - so other companies can manufacture aspartame, just can't call it NutraSweet!

I use quite a few aspartame products and believe strongly that it is safe for the average person - mainly because Dad, as a beverage chemist, worked extensively with the product starting in the 70's before it was introduced by the general public. I don't know whether the product has any effect on pregnancy though!

03-21-2001, 09:21 AM

03-21-2001, 10:42 AM my iced tea, I was raised on Sweet N Low and, darn it, iced tea just doesn't taste the same to me without a couple of pink packets added!!! :0

03-21-2001, 10:45 AM
Hi! Just a quick note to say slimfast does not have aspartem/nutrisweet in it. Artificial sweeteners give me migrane head aches. My own personal feeling on the subject besides having the side affect from artificial sweeteners is that its best to stay as NATURAL as possible especially during pregnancy :) :wave: Guess what I'm saying is...SLIMFAST is perfectly safe while pregnant. I agree with you 100% about the energy boost that it provides, and a good variety of vitamins as well! A good in between meals snack for "A MOMMY 2 BE"

03-21-2001, 12:17 PM
I said It does because right on the can it says in big letters Sweetened with "aspartame,Sugar and fructose" Maybe you are reffereing to the premade cans?I just looked at it again so Im sure it says that it says aspartame. I am talking about the chocolate royale powder. I also have a US mix can and it says the same thing. I have heard but could be wrong that the pre made cans are all sugar no artificial sweetners.

03-21-2001, 12:32 PM
Mabe we should call this thread " Slamin Slimfast" Kennedy if you want some positive feed back come join us at the Success with Slimfast thread under diet plans. At least then you could get some SUPPORT instead of a bunch of people putting down youre choice of diet aids.
I am thouroughly disgusted with all of these people who waste energy putting down other peoples choices. It is not as if it were life threatening like some of the diet drugs out there. She could be using Metabolife! This site is suposed to be a place where we can all encourage each other to reach our goals. While I do agree that comparing notes is very helpful and I have goten a lot of valuable advice frome some of you , I think it is very thoughtless and unkind to make someone feel bad because they don't use the plan you prefer. To each his own. :nono:

03-21-2001, 04:11 PM
COWGIRL You apparently didn't read the posts very well because I for one talked positive about it. KENNEDY Apparently for what ever reason it must just be in the powder formulas, because its not listed on my can of premixed. Looks like you better get to buying some premixed, besides they actually taste better than the powder kind. ENJOY!!

03-23-2001, 01:14 PM
BABE, I apologise if you were offended but I was not trying to say that everyone here was being negative. Just most of you. Now I just hate seeing people fight over something so silly and I am sure Kennedy's OB would not let her use something he though might endanger her child. And this is comeing from someone who blames a doctors mistake for the death of her husband! If anyone has a reason not to trust doctors it's me. Now the info about wether there is aspertame\nutrasweet in Slimfast products is interesting. Myself I always prefered the pre mixed kind. It tastes better and is easier to deal with away from home. I hate those lumps you get with the powder and it is such a pain in the but to make. Well anyway I am not going to continue this discussion with you gals. Hope you get it all sorted out but I fo one am here to be encouraged so I'll stick to visiting the threads that do just that.:wave:

03-23-2001, 06:52 PM
Okay you guys, this is starting to get out of hand again:) Let's all just try to agree to disagree. This arguing isn't beneficial to anyone. I know it is hard but we just have to accept everyone's opinions and move on. It would be a very boring world if we all had the same opionions and ideas so lets just respect the fact that we are all different and enjoy the message boards. If a topic makes you angry just try to avoid it ok?


03-24-2001, 07:50 AM
Thank you Brenda, well said.


03-29-2001, 03:55 PM
To whoever said they "thought this was a 'support board'" didn't look at the section this thread is in. Yes, the majority of areas of the total message board are for support, others are for exchanging recipes, and others are for information, but this is called FITNESS SCAMS ~ this IS where people slam and say bad things about certain diet products that they don't think work.

The people speaking out against Slim Fast are doing it in the correct area. They aren't going to the Slim Fast thread on the Diet Plan section and slamming the product there....they are in the correct area to tell their horror stories.

It's been said, "There are 3 sides to every story....yours, theirs, and the truth......" ~ this is the side where slamming is allowed......the Diet Plan is the side for support....the truth is what you make of it.

03-29-2001, 07:25 PM

Please, please stop drinking/eating ANYTHING with aspartame in it!!!! The scientists still really don't know what it does to US nevermind an unborn baby.....

I stopped ALL artificial sweetners when I was pregnant with my son and that was even before they had as much info as they do now!!!! Yeah, it was hard at first but I made it through!!!

You also shouldn't be drinking anything with caffeine in it!!!!! Your baby's forming brain is so tiny right now EVERYTHING you take in effects it!!!!!

I'm not telling you what to do... just begging you!!!! (okay... you know what I mean)...

Whatever way you choose to live YOUR life (what you eat etc.)should NOT effect your child in a negative way....

I'm not trying to be a jerk at all.... I'm just concerned about the health of ALL babies!!!! (and children and women... okay... and maybe even men).

I know whatever you do is ovbiously your choice and I'm sure everyone and their mother has advice for you... but well... health is extremely important... especially that of an unborn child.

Good Luck to You!!!!!

Kymber :)

03-29-2001, 07:52 PM
What shall I drink then??? I have been told yesterday to TOTALLY cut sugar out. I hate regular pop it tastes grosse and I live off milk(which If I drink it all day I will balloon up again and have to be in hosp AGAIN for blood pressure)water and diet coke. Fine I'll switch to caffiene free but in all honesty I am not someone who ignores my cravings for sweets while pregnant so what can I have? The only thing I am allowed is sweet tasting drinks, WITHOUT sugar. People say this but at this point I have no other options! I bought a whole naniamo bar slab SINCE I HAVENT GAINED A LB AMAZINGLY IN OVER 2 MONTHS OF PIGGING OUT(big pregnancy thing for me) and I can't have any!!! So any suggestions???????? Im cranky already no offense.

03-30-2001, 05:28 PM
Is the worst thing you can drink if you are pregnant. Between the caffeine and the aspermataine(sp) it is very, very bad for your baby, as well as your kidneys. My advice, juice. The kind of sugar you shouldn't have is processed, refined sugar. Juice has natural sugars and those are okay for you to have. I'm looking at my bottle of Cranberry Juice Cocktail and there is no sugar in it. Check your labels.

Kennedy ~ we are all talking to you about this because of our concern for you and your baby. The other Kymber is right, your baby's little brain is forming right now and the damage that the aspermataine may do you might not know about for years to come.

Why were you taken off refined sugar? Are you diabetic? If you are diabetic and pregnant, the soda is bad for you. As I said, soda strains the kidneys.

Believe me, I know how hard this is. I found out I was pregnant about 48 hours after I conceived. I had to go from drinking 64 oz or more of Diet Coke a day to no caffeine and no nutra sweet/aspermataine/artificial sweetners and it nearly sent me over the edge, but I got through it and the first thing I did the minute I delivered, made my dad go to McDonald's across the street from the hospital and get me a diet coke. I was wired for days from that diet coke because I had been off caffeine so long.

Good luck in whatever you decide.

03-30-2001, 06:22 PM
...I can tell you all right now, Aspartame is NOT dangerous.

Check the above site for accurate information about aspartame from

It really amazes me how many rumors abound about the safety of aspartame. This has got to be one of the most heavily researched products out there...I know that for a fact.

Also, if aspartame is harmful to fetuses, then I have no idea why my three sisters who have all been consuming products containing NutraSweet on a regular basis since the 1970's (my father was a chemist for a beverage company and brought home lots of test products - if there was any inkling that they were unsafe he would have NEVER let us consume them!) have had a total of nine healthy babies - now ranging in age between 5 and 17 years of age (my oldest nephew is an honor roll student and athlete).

The only time that aspartame would be harmful is if you are phenylketonuric (1 in 16,000 people); OR if the product containing aspartame has been subjected to high temperatures - in which case you wouldn't want to consume it anyway (the amino acids break down and the sweetness turns extremely bitter).

I know I'm opening a can of worms here since so many people are convinced that aspartame is harmful...but there has been nothing medically proven that it is.

In addition, my father is a diabetic and I can tell you this - sugar is sugar is sugar (paraphrasing Gertrude Stein there). Whether it is refined white sugar, honey, turbinado, fructose - your body recognizes it as nothing but if your doctor tells you to lay off sugar, that means ALL sugar including fruit juices (besides, you're better off eating the actual fruit anyway).

Okay, let the fur fly...

03-30-2001, 08:29 PM
Everyone seems to think they know what is right and that that usually goes against my 3 doctors.Who ALL say aspartame if it was bad they'd yank it considering it is in almost every diet drink in the world and have both been in studys with "caffiene and aspartame" in pregnancy which is why I have them and they are so damn hard to see!So I trust them! I said in my last post "I am not allowed to have any sugar" nor do I even like "normal" pop with sugar and also meaning any kind of juice !! My blood sugar was so high today from drinking 3 glasses of juice all day my doctor told me to stop or else!

The FACT is that my OB and my doctor AND a third doctor I saw after al this doubt people put in my head s and making me feel if I drink ANYTHING but water at this point I am HARMING my baby that caffiene will not hurt pregnancys unless you drink barrels of it everyday, not the 2 cans of diet coke I have a day. They also said the withdrawl from it as of today raised my blood pressure to the point I am in BED! That was the only thing different I did yesterday and today. They also said it is much more harmful to the baby to go through that kind of stress this late in the pregnancy. Why is it that doctors are all wrong and everyone else is right?. Making me feel like I could be harming the baby by drinking diet coke 2x a day and only drinking water is obviously getting me all paranoid that there is some aspartame conspiracy and no doctor will admit to it doesn't help.Why don't doctors EVER warm a pregnant women about cafiene......I asked all of my friends and they said they were never told once by their doctors(all different ones) to not drink caffiene when pregnant. My health has so much improved since switching from regular to diet. So again.....I cannot have any sugar what am I to drink? I hate water!

03-30-2001, 09:24 PM
If your OB says go ahead and drink diet Cokes (as long as you're not drinking gallons of the stuff) I say go ahead - but try to get some water in too!

I myself have a really hard time getting in my 8-10 glasses of water each day, it takes a real effort. Not that I hate the stuff but unless I'm working out or thirsty I just don't think of it.

I'm the same way you are - regular Cokes are far too sweet for my tastebuds. And I can't stand the decaf diet Coke - just doesn't taste quite right to me! Jim says it tastes the same to him so maybe it's just me.

Take care - and if you haven't checked the link I posted previously, I highly recommend it. There are a lot of people out there knocking aspartame (my opinion is that they feel anything artificial is bad for you!) but there really is NO basis in medical/scientific facts for that at all. Like I said, there are very few products out there that have been tested, researched, and studied as much as aspartame (especially after cyclamates and saccharin were pulled from soft drinks - they wanted to make doubly sure that there was not going to be that problem with aspartame when it was introduced in 1982.)

Hell's Belle
03-30-2001, 10:03 PM
Interesting conversation :)

Kennedy -- to drink enough water, have you thought about Crystal Light or sugar free Kool Aid? It isn't water....but it is pretty close ;) Maybe iced tea with some Splenda or Stevia (alternatives to aspertame)? Caffiene *can* cause high blood pressure, as well as act as a diuretic, so be careful if blood pressure is a big concern.

As for aspertame....****, I have heard stories, and perhaps some people are sensitive. On the whole, I think it is probably safe considering the tiny amounts you are consuming. I have a friend (and he is not one to fall for all this scary chemicals/all natural is intrinsically better stuff) who really does get ripping headaches from drinking stuff with aspertame. However, he just may have an allergy to it. ****, I get sinus headaches from drinking milk, and that is supposedly good for you, right? ;)

Good point with juices being sugar -- geeze, you might as well eat a snickers as drink orange juice.

Mrs. Jim , you are pretty cool. :)

03-31-2001, 02:21 AM
I'm not pregnant, and have no real experience in this area at all, but it just seems to me that by eating relatively healthy and taking care of yourself, you can have a normal, healthy baby. I mean, there are tons of kids getting pregnant, and they never see a doctor, but their babies are fine (and I'm sure that some have done much worse than drink diet coke with caffeine).
This whole things seems a bit obsessive to me, but I'm sure I'll understand it all when I do become pregnant sometime in the future. But I also can't help thinking that human babies are pretty sturdy...if they weren't, the human race would not have survived as long as it has.

It's just my opinion on the whole thing....please don't flame me.


04-01-2001, 02:04 PM
I always told myself I wouldn't get in the middle of one of these "battles", but I feel I have to comment.
Kennedy, listen to your doctors. (This is coming from someone who would LOVE to be pregnant right now!)
Last time I checked, my name didn't have Dr. in front of it or MD behind it and I'm pretty sure the majority of us posting on this board didn't go to medical school and have several years if residency to give "medical" advice, especially to a lady who is pregnant.
In this instance I would definitely say your Doctor knows best.
I know here in the states, many doctors to tell women who are pregnant to give up caffeine (start drinking sprite, 7up, clear pops if they need that), but that is under the care of their OWN doctor, not what somebody elses doctor told my cousin's friend's aunt's step-sister to do.
I apologize now if I've offended anyone. I know everyone is trying to help, but by having Kennedy listen to everyone tell her to give up the one thing that is keeping her calm, probably jeopardized her baby more than her diet cokes did!!!!!

take care and I hope you deliver a very healthy baby :)

04-01-2001, 09:00 PM
Please lock this entire thread. It has become TOTALLY NOT what I started it out to be. THIS IS THE SCAM SECTION, and in MY OWN OPINION, things here were taken too PERSONAL, and people just keep adding WOOD TO THE FIRE!
This is a SUPPORT BOARD, but this is THE SCAM FORUM...people can blow off any product or topic right here without the fear of STEPPING ON OTHER PEOPLES TOES. That is the purpose of this particular forum, and the reason the Suzanne put it here.

04-02-2001, 01:41 AM
I think when someone directs something at me in my own opinion ie:puts my name in front of it addressing it to me... I myself will take it personal. I think some things I myself took too personal at first however I don't see how anyone can not take things directed at them in that way otherwise they wouldn't be directed them. Like when a post is addressed to them specifically. I don't think locking a thread people are participating in is the answer. Ive seen a couple with some really mean comments to people that were just mean spirited and they weren't locked?

Take aspartame for instance some think it is a almost scam like product in the sense it is bad for you....some think it is gods gift to pop! If people want to talk about it or give their opinions let them as long as they aren't rude or mean. I took the posts directed to my own self being told what to do personal and I think I have a right to do so considering what they were about and that sure I didn't ask for it but its a persons opinion and they have every right to tell me or anyone else.It is our choice in how we take it. As do you or anyone else. Thats just my opinion. I enjoy reading everyones views on things even if I don't agree and they aren;t what the thread was first meant for.

Its people getting involved instead of having a 2 post thread!A good debate on some things can do some people alot of good!There isn't a forum for every subject.Ive looked!Maybe I'm the only one who does enjoy reading peoples opinions..I don't know?Just a thought that was not intended to get a lashing for its just an opinion.