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going2bskinny
08-15-2012, 05:15 PM
Starting weight is 253.5 as of right now.

*edit* k changing this to a 48 hour fast thanks to the info from the posters in this thread anyone with me on this then?


JohnP
08-15-2012, 06:01 PM
I am an experienced faster. I have been intermittenly fasting for about 2.5 years. I doubt there is a bigger advocate for short term fasting on this web site.

With that in mind - you'll get no support from me for what you're planning. I am very sorry I don't know how to say it other than to just say it. Feel free to report me for being a jerk.

Anything past a 48 hour fast is dumb and serves no purpose.

Water fasting is dumb. Juice fasting is even dumber.

There is no reason to fast beyond 48 hours.

Whatever reasons you have for doing this are not well researched on your part.

If you're going to do this anyways make sure you at least get the essential minerals neccessary to sustain life. If you don't know what those are and you're planning to water fast you're not ready to water fast. Same thing for ending the fast.

4star
08-15-2012, 06:02 PM
That's a little drastic for me. What do you plan to do about protein, protein water or protein powder supplements? Without taking in some protein, there's no point in weight lifting, that will only ask your body for protein to build those muscles, which you won't be giving it on a fast unless you supplement. Muscle loss from lack of protein can happen in any muscle in your body, including your heart muscle. That's always the scary part to me of prolonged fasting and prolonged use of VLCDs.


going2bskinny
08-15-2012, 06:16 PM
I am an experienced faster. I have been intermittenly fasting for about 2.5 years. I doubt there is a bigger advocate for short term fasting on this web site.

With that in mind - you'll get no support from me for what you're planning. I am very sorry I don't know how to say it other than to just say it. Feel free to report me for being a jerk.

Anything past a 48 hour fast is dumb and serves no purpose.

Water fasting is dumb. Juice fasting is even dumber.

There is no reason to fast beyond 48 hours.

Whatever reasons you have for doing this are not well researched on your part.

If you're going to do this anyways make sure you at least get the essential minerals neccessary to sustain life. If you don't know what those are and you're planning to water fast you're not ready to water fast. Same thing for ending the fast.

Why isn't there a reason to fast beyond 48 hours? Maybe I'll just do a 48 hour one then?

Bloopers
08-15-2012, 06:17 PM
Wait, you plan on drinking only water for a whole month? O_O

going2bskinny
08-15-2012, 06:17 PM
That's a little drastic for me. What do you plan to do about protein, protein water or protein powder supplements? Without taking in some protein, there's no point in weight lifting, that will only ask your body for protein to build those muscles, which you won't be giving it on a fast unless you supplement. Muscle loss from lack of protein can happen in any muscle in your body, including your heart muscle. That's always the scary part to me of prolonged fasting and prolonged use of VLCDs.

oh ok didn't really think of that :( maybe ill do a 48 hour one instead then. Thanks guys.

going2bskinny
08-15-2012, 06:22 PM
I am an experienced faster. I have been intermittenly fasting for about 2.5 years. I doubt there is a bigger advocate for short term fasting on this web site.

With that in mind - you'll get no support from me for what you're planning. I am very sorry I don't know how to say it other than to just say it. Feel free to report me for being a jerk.

Anything past a 48 hour fast is dumb and serves no purpose.

Water fasting is dumb. Juice fasting is even dumber.

There is no reason to fast beyond 48 hours.

Whatever reasons you have for doing this are not well researched on your part.

If you're going to do this anyways make sure you at least get the essential minerals neccessary to sustain life. If you don't know what those are and you're planning to water fast you're not ready to water fast. Same thing for ending the fast.

How do you intermittent fast too? What's that mean?

DietVet
08-15-2012, 07:22 PM
What are you hoping to accomplish with the fast?

(You do know that fasting is not the best way to lose weight, right? You'll drop some water and then you'll regain it the second you start eating again. If you want to lose fat, you need to keep eating, but at a calorie deficit.)

DietVet
08-15-2012, 07:24 PM
Intermittent Fasting means that you fast for a certain number of hours each day and only allow yourself food during a particular window of time. Lots of people (and especially JohnP!) have had lots of success with it. Ultimately though, it's just another way of decreasing your calorie intake.

If you are interested in IF, there's a forum for it somewhere around here.

going2bskinny
08-16-2012, 02:00 AM
Well I made it through day 1 the scale already says 250.5 I went walking 3 miles outside and did some exercises in my room floor stuff and weights also used my rebounder a bit I hope the weight loss stays when I start eating again I'm thinking about eating tomorrow and just sticking with salads with lean meat and fruit only... I'm thinking of fasting every other day actually because one day hasn't been too hard. I'll research this IF u guys are talking about as well thanks all ��

Skittlez
08-16-2012, 09:02 AM
I'm pretty sure fasting isn't something you're supposed to do long term (like every other day). I don't think you can call it fasting then, just starving yourself.

freelancemomma
08-16-2012, 09:22 AM
You do know that fasting is not the best way to lose weight, right? You'll drop some water and then you'll regain it the second you start eating again.

In my opinion (and experience), that's not why fasting doesn't work. If you fasted, say, two days per week and DIDN'T EAT OFF PLAN the rest of the week, you would lose weight quickly. What tends to happen in many people (including myself) is that the sense of hunger and deprivation induced by fasting results in a loosening of restraint once you start eating again.

F.

kaplods
08-16-2012, 12:04 PM
In my opinion (and experience), that's not why fasting doesn't work. If you fasted, say, two days per week and DIDN'T EAT OFF PLAN the rest of the week, you would lose weight quickly. What tends to happen in many people (including myself) is that the sense of hunger and deprivation induced by fasting results in a loosening of restraint once you start eating again.

F.


I agree. In my teens and 20's I fasted for weight loss quite successfully, if by successfully you mean, got a little bit of the weight off in a short period. In the long-run though it failed miserably and SPECTACULARLY.

I learned to associate "not eating" with "being good," and "eating" with "being bad." That was an association would come to bite me in the butt in so many ways, including encouraging me to feel worthless because I couldn't "not eat" forever.

It also introduced me to binge eating "eating everything I could get my hands on, because I was never going to get to eat it again as I also vowed to be 'good' and never eat x, y, z (good tasting stuff) EVER again, because I was going to be good."

I learned the binge lesson so well that I could fast for 5 days out of 7 and still not lose weight (because when I ate on weekends I made up for the calories lost during the fast).

I also became LESS physically active (losing muscle) because long-term fasting erodes muscle (thankfully my heart appears to be undamaged, which isn't the case for everyone using fasting and vlcd's to lose weight).

Not only does the fasting itself erode muscle, the habits that fasting encouraged did so as well. Firstly, fasting made me feel so crappy, that all my cravings were for carbs (carbs raise mood because of their role in serotonin production, which is why virtually all "comfort foods" are high glycemic carbs). So not only did I not take in sufficient protein during the fasts and modified fasts, I didn't take in sufficient protein during my eating phases either.

Also, while I felt great while fasting for the first few days, I felt like something you'd scrape off your shoe in the long-term. Even when I fasted only a couple days a week, I would have absolutely no energy for the most basic of tasks, let alone for exercise. Losing more muscle and more metabolism.

I strongly suspect that the frequent use of fasting and vlcd's in my youth, contributed greatly to the pitiful metabolism I have now, as well as my incessant hunger. My brain and biochemistry is prepared for the next famine, and even though I haven't used fasting and vlcd's regularly in decades, my metabolism and health haven't magically rebounded.

Sadly, I don't get two lives so I can't prove that my life would be any different without the vlcd's and the fasting. And the research on the subject is often very flawed. In my experience, the researchers tend to look for immediate effects to metabolsim, and they tend to look in very young, healthy individuals. In my experience the damage is much more gradual, occurs over decades, and includes health problems that the researchers often use as exclusionary criteria (so they exclude anyone with these health problems from their studies...).

By only studying the healthiest people, of course they're not going to find the health problems associated with vlcd's and fasting (they would argue that they're not looking for health problems caused by vlcd's and fasting, they're looking for metabolism changes, but what if the metabolism changes also cause health problems. Or even if the metabolism is only affected by fasting in people predisposed to health problems or people with existing health issues...). Either way, a lot of very important data is lost.


I'm not saying that occasional fasting is harmful, or that even regular fasting is harmful for everyone. I don't know enough to say that with any certaintly. I just do know that it's done nothing positive for me, and I wish I had never done it, not even once (because worst of all, in my opinion, fasting is addictive because it SEEMS effective in the short-run, at least in the early days of it's use. You see a big drop on the scale and you want more and more and more... even AFTER you become convinced it contributes more to weight gain than weight loss you STILL want to see those rapid weight-loss numbers so you convince yourself, even when you know better, that "just this once, and then I'll switch over to sensible weight loss."

Only you never make the switch, or if you do, you get tempted back into it in the hopes of seeing those rapid losses.

On a personal note, I have had limited success with IF. Limited because of blood sugar issues (I can't postpone eating too long, or my blood sugar goes wonky), though I can't CALL it IF, even to myself, because it gets me back in the whole mindset of not eating is good and eating is bad and I end up waiting TOO LONG to eat until I'm so incredibly hungry that I panic and reach for the foods that will fix the unpleasant sensation (of low blood sugar) quickest.... which is high glycemic carbs which triggers more intense hunger/cravings in the long run.

Because of blood sugar issues, I wouldn't recommend that anyone try fasting without discussing it with their doctor and having been screened for metabolic/blood sugar issues such as hypoglycemia, reactive hypoglycemia, insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, or diabetes.

I think it's probably safe if done in the right circumstances and with the right mindset. Unfortunately I do not believe that most people go into it (or escape from it) with the right mindset or circumstances.

Ruthxxx
08-16-2012, 12:29 PM
the scale already says 150.5
I assume you meant 250.5.

going2bskinny
08-16-2012, 03:38 PM
I assume you meant 250.5.

oh yeah oops :o

going2bskinny
08-16-2012, 04:01 PM
wow thanks freelancemomma and kaplods thats a lot of info I had that same problem with my previous fasts I gave into a binge basically eventually usually right after so makes me rethink this I guess.

I ate today a salad with some meat I was planning to fast again tomorrow but now I guess I probably shouldn't I have been feeling pretty weak and hungry since yesterday. I worked out yesterday too despite not eating and I felt great the first half but the last half I had barely any energy and felt weak tired and starving the rest of the day. I managed not to eat bad today despite being starving but not too sure how long that would last if I kept this up. Today I made my own balsalmic vinagarette and it turned out really good I've been trying to cut out sugar and dairy and it was really hard to do because when I'd have salad I wouldn't know what to put on it and I only like ranch dressing pretty much so I kind of got fed up and just wanted to stop eating all together cuz I didn't really know what I could eat. But now that that worked really good I am going to have a salad with meat for every meal with some of that dressing and have fruit for snacks I think I can really stick with this diet now :D thanks everybody for all the great info really appreciate it :hug:

scale says 252 today after just having one salad hope it keeps going down now from there and not up

going2bskinny
08-16-2012, 06:44 PM
I had 2 salads today with chicken olives tomato purple onion and lettuce with balsamic dressing I noticed I still have less energy to workout today does this mean I need to have some carbs? Or could it still be from my fast yesterday?

DietVet
08-16-2012, 06:48 PM
You need fats in your diet, as well as protein and veggies.

JossFit
08-16-2012, 07:52 PM
I apologize if my bluntness comes off as rude, but I'm just going to get to the point; it's becoming apparent very quickly that you don't know much about basic nutrition and how your body operates, and you will never get there at this rate (asking questions in an online forum).

I suggest that you take the time to learn the basics about the different macronutrients and how they effect your bodily functions and go from there.

Start reading up on sites like bodybuilding.com, livestrong.com and pick up some books like the New Rules of Lifting for Women to learn about exercise for fat loss.
Anyone else have some good, unbiased, scientifically based sources of information to suggest?

JohnP
08-16-2012, 07:55 PM
Anyone else have some good, unbiased, scientifically based sources of information to suggest?

Lyle McDonald

going2bskinny
08-16-2012, 08:02 PM
You need fats in your diet, as well as protein and veggies.

There was olive oil in the dressing I made

going2bskinny
08-16-2012, 08:06 PM
I apologize if my bluntness comes off as rude, but I'm just going to get to the point; it's becoming apparent very quickly that you don't know much about basic nutrition and how your body operates, and you will never get there at this rate (asking questions in an online forum).

I suggest that you take the time to learn the basics about the different macronutrients and how they effect your bodily functions and go from there.

Start reading up on sites like bodybuilding.com, livestrong.com and pick up some books like the New Rules of Lifting for Women to learn about exercise for fat loss.
Anyone else have some good, unbiased, scientifically based sources of information to suggest?

Ok thanks yes I'm having a really hard time with this my family never ate good so I never really learned and I been searching online but everywhere I go says something different I'm confused out my mind actually. Thanks for the links joss and John I'll go check em all out :hug:

Arctic Mama
08-16-2012, 08:26 PM
I second Lyle. But heck, even basic diet methods that focus on whole food, in one vein or another, are a great start. There's a lot of good nutritional information in the original South Beach Diet and Atkin books, too, despite the hype and overgrowth of products relating to them. There are lots of good resources and I highly suggest reading up.

Also, New Rules of Lifting for Women - great book. The nutritional info is very simple and a solid base to start from, and the focus on strength and health is going to be more helpful to you than months of crash diets and water fasting :)

JohnP
08-16-2012, 08:38 PM
Ok thanks yes I'm having a really hard time with this my family never ate good so I never really learned and I been searching online but everywhere I go says something different I'm confused out my mind actually. Thanks for the links joss and John I'll go check em all out :hug:

It's only confusing when you get your information from people who don't know jack squat. If you read one article on Lyle's site per day in a month you'll be shocked at how much you know in a very short period of time.

going2bskinny
08-16-2012, 08:59 PM
Ok yay thanks so much guys I'd love to be ripped like joss one day that's my long term goal maybe now I can actually get there. Great job you all on your weightloss your very inspiring appreciate the help very much! :D

I joined the gym even in jan but been pretty confused on what to all do there and can't afford a trainer so thanks joss for posting you workouts for us to see that will help

LaurieDawn
08-16-2012, 10:16 PM
I do New Rules of Lifting For Women. The book has good explanations of the exercises, and routines lined out. I don't think the nutrition parts are very applicable to women with a lot of weight to lose, but I love the work-outs. I also watch YouTube videos to better understand proper form. And I will also ask the testosterone boys there for help with form occasionally. Without exception, they have always been willing to help. (I don't do it often, though, and am careful to avoid those that look like they wouldn't be okay with even quick questions.)

Congrats on having the willingness and open mindedness to learn. If you really want to give fasting an educated try, you might look at the leangains site. I find it very interesting.

JossFit
08-17-2012, 05:59 AM
Whew, I'm so glad you weren't offended!

Yes, Lyle McDonald and I would even say Alan Aragon are two men whos writing is worth reading. They are big bodybuilder types which is a deterrent for a lot of women, but honestly these men cut out the "Bro-science" and get down to the REAL DATA of fat loss, muscle gain, metabolisms and the like. It's very no-nonsense, non-faddish, FACTUAL information.

I didn't mention them initially because some of their writing can be a bit intimidating to someone just trying to get their feet under them, but it is seriously good stuff to read.
The articles you find on Livestrong and bodybuilding.com could be a good jumping off point but are a lot more biased if you go looking around too much.

I would suggest starting off with the basics; learn EXACTLY how carbohydrates, protein and fat effect your bodily functions. Then read up on weight loss versus fat loss. After that learn about water weight fluctuations (because those are issues that come up repeatedly). You might even want to start off looking at some medical websites just to get the pure facts. There is so much garbage out there that I hate to think of you spinning your wheels.

Good luck!

DietVet
08-17-2012, 10:45 AM
This article is pretty comprehensive on nutrition & weight loss. It's long, so settle in with a cup of coffee and give it a read. It's good.

http://body-improvements.com/resources/eat/

going2bskinny
08-21-2012, 10:18 AM
thanks you guys I'll check it all out I appreciate the help :D :hug: