Carb Counters - A girl trying to find her Metabolism Miracle...




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danigirl906
08-14-2012, 11:59 PM
Hello everyone. My name is Dani and I am 28 turning 29 in a few weeks. I am a teacher from Staten Island, NY. I am currently still in school finishing my M.S. I have been overweight as long as I can remember. I always had problems finding "cool" clothes that fit. I have to say that I was fortunate in the fact that I was never bullied because of my weight. I don't know whether kids were afraid I would sit on them or what. Lol. I am a confident woman and I am not trying to lose weight to look better. I am trying to lose weight to feel better. My maternal grandparents, my mother and my aunt all have diabetes, and that scares the life out of me. Several months ago I lost my aunt to pancreatic cancer, and that was a real eye opener. I am only 28 and I am fearful of disease. I mean I am sure that no one enjoys disease, but the idea of being sick and unhealthy really scares me....So here I am on day one of the Metabolism Miracle. I know someone who has had great success with this....and I am going to be the next one. Day 1 was a little rough. Have a bit of a headache I can't break, and have hunger that can't be satisfied. I suppose this is my body going through carb withdrawl. The next few days will be rough, but I know it will get better after that. It is a pleasure "meeting" you. This is going to be me. Well carrots are high in carbs and I can't have them right now, but you guys know what I mean. Good Luck everyone! Dani


auntnelly
08-27-2012, 01:28 PM
Dani How is your MM diet going by now? I started nearly the same time as you, on Aug 6th. I totally LOVE this low carb diet because we can acutally HAVE carbs!

How it is gong? I am trying to find a thread here with others using this diet, have you found any?

jab91864
09-07-2012, 08:17 AM
Curious how much progress you are both having? I bought the book on my kindle yesterday and so far am interested in starting. And I will admit the step 1 no list does scare me.

I never realized yogurt had carbs, in the past I have paid so much attention to fats and calories I guess I never noticed. I am a yo-yo dieter, I never keep it off.

Putting something in my mouth every 5 hours is going to be very difficult. My work schedule is hectic. Most mornings I eat breakfast around 7am then often I don't get a lunch until 3 to 4 in the afternoon. The best plan I have for that is to try to sneak some nuts in when nobody is looking..


auntnelly
09-07-2012, 10:26 AM
jab.. Hi! I have been on the MM diet for nearly 5 weeks.

Don't let the "no" list scare you. If you eat as she says, you won't need to eat them, really. The cravings for those foods are gone and I feel satisfied when I eat like she suggests in Step 1.

Plus, I really like this diet, because you are ALLOWED 5 grams of carbs every 5 hours, and that is great! She sells a list for $3 of 5x5 carbs you can have, like 8 mini triscutts, or how many goldfish, etc, so every 5 hours you can have those 5 grams of carbs. I LOVE that since other low carb diets I have been on, not having ANY carbs is so very hard.

Do you not get a break at all? Maybe you could have a bathroom break and eat your small snack. It won't take long :)

I know we aren't supposed to weigh and I know why. My weight is going up and down all over the place. I do weigh and average by the week and last week, I actually gained. That is discouraging, but I realized I am eating too many nuts which are VERY high in calories, I must limit those.

My results so far are actually encouraging. I have only lost 2.6 lbs, but I have lost inches. I was to measure again after the 1st 4 weeks and truthfully I didn't expect much, but I have lost 2 inches on my bust, 1.5 inches on my bra line, 2 inches at my waist and an inch on my hips.

Part of the reason we never keep it off, is because once we get to the "end" of our diet, we start eating like we did before the diet. I have done that, but this system has to be for life for people with Metab. B, and that is what Step 3 is about.

I know I will have to keep this up for my life, and I have thought about it and decided if I do NOT do it, I will get diabetes, and then I WILL be on a diet for life!:( This is a better road for me, to be healthy and hopefully, thin, without the health issues that are coming my way if I keep on the same path of eating that I have been doing.

:D so I decided this diet is for me to help me for LIFE so I don't have to worry about the other health issues which would force a more strict diet upon me.

:hug: ask questions, I will try and keep a look out for them. This forum stops sending notices if you don't come here or post after a short time, so I don't always get them, but I will try if you will be here, So will I!

DO commit to this for 8 weeks, you will be glad you did! :hun: and look forward to feeling full and satisfied ...

jab91864
09-08-2012, 01:47 PM
Thank you for the info!!

Well I finished reading about phase I and decided to not read about the other phases at this time. I think it will only confuse me on what I can and cannot eat in the beginning. So today is day #1 assuming I make it till the end.

I'm hungry now but that is because I've been up since 5am working in the kitchen (of all places) canning tomatoes . I ate a few almonds then later had a thin slice of deli roast beef, along with more water.

I'm getting ready to make something to eat but needed to check my kindle to see what is allowed. I wish now I had bought the paperback because the kindle is more tedious to "find" something when I am in a hurry. I will have to check out the website and see what lists they offer regarding the carbs, thanks for the tip.

The yogurt is going to be hard for me, as is no brown rice, no oatmeal, no pumpkin, no fruit , and I've been binging on cherry tomatoes the past couple weeks which has to stop too...lol.

I know I am doing something with eggplant for dinner since I picked them out of the garden this morning.

Work is difficult. I have a supervisor who is a size 2 and I really don't want to have to explain my diet. She doesn't eat in front of ppl, I think it's an issue for her personally. Anyway I think I can manage some nuts in my pocket to get by. I am suppose to get a couple breaks in the day but it never happens we are over budget , under staffed and always buried...lol. Which is why I end up with a late lunch almost every day.

I figure this is worth trying for 8 weeks and see what I think at the end of that time. I have to do measurements today as well.

auntnelly
09-08-2012, 04:24 PM
That is great you are starting! I kind of picked up recipes and ideas as I went. As I have time, I will post some recipes that I like here.

This is a link to a great blog I found alot of great info on as I see that they allow links to blogs. http://thelifeofsuz.blogspot.com/2012/07/metabolism-miracle-q.html

the web site www.themetabolismmiracle.com is a good place to get general info and if you want to buy the lists I was talking about. There is also a forum for this diet, but I don't want to join since it costs money, not alot, but you can check it out it you want at miracle-ville.com I heard it is a good place to get recipes and information and the lady who wrote the book is actually on the site and will answer questions personally as well.

I hope you can work something out at work. It is good you are busy, but eating every 5 hours is very important during Step 1, for sure.

I also have not committed to memory the next 2 steps because they are very different from Step 1. I am getting close to needing to look at Step 2...in 3 weeks I will be ready for that.

Keep checking back for recipes. I will put them here as I can. Do you do Pintrest? there are some recipes there as well.

Come back for more support or questions. I have had a hard time finding a free place to discuss this diet. I know one other person using it, so this is great to have someone else as well!:D

auntnelly
09-08-2012, 04:51 PM
Baked Cauliflower Poppers These are ok for all Steps and are neutral .. Steps 1, 2 & 3

I like these. I usually only make 1 head at a time because I don't know how to store them, and usually eat them all when they are warm. Really YUM ! :D They taste kind of like french fries. Have a slightly crunchy taste if you let them brown good.

What you will need:

2 heads of cauliflower
1/4 cup of olive oil
1 1/2 teaspoon of salt
1 teaspoon of pepper

Directions:

Preheat oven to 400 degrees
Wash and clean the cauliflower. Cut off and discard the stem. Cut the cauliflower up into small pieces.
In a large bowl, combine the olive oil, salt and pepper. Add the cauliflower pieces and thoroughly coat each piece.
Place cauliflower pieces onto a baking sheet lined with parchment paper. Bake for one hour and turn 3 times during cooking until each piece has a nice brown coloring. The browner they are the better.
Remove from oven and enjoy!

auntnelly
09-08-2012, 07:33 PM
Thin and Crispy Pizza Crust

This makes alot, but it is very yummy!

Heat oven to 450 degrees

In a bowl thoroughly combine:
3 eggs
3 cups shredded mozzarella cheese
1 tsp garlic powder (I used 1 pressed garlic clove.)
1 tsp basil (I used a bit less cause I don't like so much spice)

press evenly into Pam sprayed pizza pan or cookie sheet (I lined it with parchment paper instead.)
(this makes one 16 inch pizza crust)

Bake at 450 degrees until golden brown (about 10 to 15 minutes).
Add sauce and toppings, then bake or broil a few more minutes until cheese is melted and toppings are heated.

NOTE: Pizza Sauce is a counted carb in Step 1. I used jarred Ragu which doesn't have added sugar. I figured about 1 TBSP is about 1 carb.

auntnelly
09-08-2012, 07:39 PM
Cheesecake Cup Cakes
(Metabolism Miracle Steps 1, 2, 3 all neutral)

These are yummy :smug:

6 ounces light cream cheese at room temperature
1/2 cup part-skim ricotta cheese
2 TBSP sucralose (Splenda)
1 large egg, plus 1 large egg yolk
1/2 tsp vanilla
Carb-free fruit spread, optional

1. Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Line 6 muffin cups with foil or paper liners.
2. Combine cream cheese and ricotta cheese in a food processor or or use a hand mixer to beat until creamy. Add the sweetener, egg, egg yolk and vanilla and process until smooth.
3. Divide equally among the prepared muffin cups. Fill any empty muffin cups halfway with water.
4. Place muffin tin in a large roasting pan filled with hot water half way up the side of the tin, to prevent burning the delicate cheesecake. Bake 18-20 minutes until the cakes are puffed and set.
5. Remove the muffin tin from the water and let cool to room temperature.
6. Cover with plastic wrap and refrigerate for 2 hours until chilled.
7. After chilling, top the cheesecake cup cakes with carb-free jelly, if desired.

jab91864
09-09-2012, 08:53 AM
Thank you so much for taking the time to post all of those recipes. I love roasted cauliflower and will definitely have to try the pizza and cheescake cups.

I made it through day one and stayed OP. Little bit of a headache and some cravings but not to awful. Although I was very busy yesterday.

I did have a "cranky" moment last night when the bf says to me do you want some ice cream. :mad: I'm like what part of I'm on a diet did you not understand and began to rattle off my options, including didn't you think it was odd you had mashed potatoes and gravy and I didn't and I pointed out I made your dinner differently... aaarrrgghhh. He then in a small voice says well I have no idea whats on your diet. I'm like there is no diet in the world where I get to eat regular ice cream. He then ate 2 ice cream sandwiches and a bowl of chocolate ice cream.... his ppl are all thin. :(

I made myself sf jello to keep in the fridge, so when he has his ice cream I won't feel tempted as much.

Last time I was dieting ( I managed to take off 63 lbs but lost a family member and just went on a bad roller coaster ride and gained it all back in the last year) I used a protein shake mix for breakfast. It was quick and easy, although I also added yogurt and fruit with spinach to it most of the time so it was a true "meal".

Anyway I picked up a can of the powder it's a whey & soy protein powder by Smart Sense (Kmart) and it has
Total carbohydrates 2g
Dietary Fiber 0g
Sugars 1g

If I read the book right this will be acceptable. I mixed it with unsweetened Silk Almond milk. Hopefully I haven't shot my day already because that is what I did for breakfast today.

That every five hour thing was harping in my mind and I thought it's been 12 hrs since I had anything (dinner was around 6pm, then bed at 10:30) and I probably am suppose to eat very soon after getting up. I should probably re-read phase 1 to be sure I got it right.

auntnelly
09-09-2012, 10:07 AM
Just real quick....
the 2 grams in the protein drink needs to be added to the grams of carbs i the almond milk..look on page 65 . It says unsweetened almond milk is OK, and it has a * by it, which means you have to count the carbs.

gotta run...don't worry too much, just keep going forward and you will get it right after awhile. It is an adjustment. :)

jab91864
09-10-2012, 07:39 AM
I did add in the almond milk to my carbs. Its still difficult for me to understand which carbs count and which don't...lol. Again I wish I had bought paperback and not kindle version of this book.

I also find it's difficult to find a lot online about this diet, like acceptable food lists etc. I did find the chart from the book and printed that out to hang on the fridge to keep me straight on some of my veggie choices and remind me what is not allowed.

I did go to the websites you listed and I stumbled across another from that pin site (I'm not a member) that had awesome looking food but didn't see recipes attached, which frustrated me...lol. I finally paid for a brief membership to the MM website last night. So far it is confusing, and I was disappointed to see that even if you pay for membership to the site you still have to pay for those precious lists if you want them. On the upside of it if you read enough on the forum threads you are able to piece meal it together a bit.

I did print off a list of allowable bread choices which I had a pack of Mission Carb Balance tortillas in my hand earlier at the grocery store yesterday but as soon as I saw 6 carbs I put it down. I thought well I could cut them and then I thought maybe I misread and they are not acceptable on phase 1 so I put them back down (close expiration date and I thoght they won't last till phase 2 why bother) but on the website I see they are ok for phase 1 if you cut part off. So if I had the bread list beforehand it would have helped me when I was at the store shopping.

And I found this which I copied as well and will pass on :::

Below are the small amounts of fruits now allowed on Step 1 as a 5 gr. counter: Diane gave us a list on here last year at some point.
1/3 cup melon cubes
1/4 cup pineapple cubes
1/4 cup black berries or blueberries
1/3 cup raspberries
4 grapes
2 strawberries
1/3 of an apple/peach/pear

Since the book version I have says NO fruits I thought this might be useful info if you don't have it already.

Have a great day OP!!!!

auntnelly
09-10-2012, 12:54 PM
The allowed food list in the book you will find on pages 62-72 if the pages are the same in the kindle version you have.

This is a really new diet, the book came out in 2009, so I have also found it hard to find info on line. I did have a friend who posted the "Yes" food list and I will post it here for you. I found some info on "dailymail" site which I could send you the links if you are interested, but there really isn't any more than what there is in the book.

Wow! fruits on Step 1? That is amazing to know. Yes, there are none listed in the book. I am glad you joined the forum over there. I did buy the list for Step 1, you can get it for just $3, you don't have to buy all 3 lists...if you scroll down on that page, you will see more options., if you want to know some of the lists I type them in here for you.

You have to look on the back of the pkg of tortillas, find "total carbohydrates" take that amount minus any fiber listed and that is the carb total.

I have some tortillas that have 12 grams carbohydrates and 7 grams fiber. You subtract 12-7 and get 5, this is allowed 5 grams every 5 hours.

It can get confusing, but you will catch on after awhile.

auntnelly
09-10-2012, 12:55 PM
THE “YES” LISTS

*Starred items need to be counted in the 5x5 allowance.

Choose any of these proteins during any step of the Metabolism Miracle:
LEAN PROTEINS

Poultry
Chicken and turkey (white meat, skinless)
Cornish game hen
Be sure to eat poultry without the fatty skin.
(Rotisseried chicken, turkey bacon, turkey sausage, turkey kielbasa all have a higher fat content, so limit their use.)

Beef
Flank steak
Sirloin
T-bone steak, trimmed
Ground round
Porterhouse steak, trimmed
Filet mignon
Round steak
London broil
85–93% ground beef
Tenderloin
Rib roast
Rump roast
Chuck roast
Always trim any visible fat.

Fish and Shellfish
Cod
Tuna (fresh or canned in water)
Trout
Snapper
Flounder
Herring (not creamed)
Tilapia
Whiting
Haddock
Sardines
Sea bass
Pollock
Halibut
Swordfish
Mahimahi
Clams
Crab
Oysters
Lobster
Shrimp
Scallops
Imitation shellfish
Eat fish and seafood broiled, grilled, boiled, or steamed as long as you omit any breading, coating, or cocktail sauce.

Pork
Pork tenderloin
Canadian bacon
Canned, cured, or boiled ham
Trimmed pork chops
Fresh ham
Deli ham
Center-cut loin chops
Many cuts of pork are lean, but pork “products” such as sausage and patties contain added fat you should avoid.

Lamb, Veal, and Game
Roast lamb
Lamb chop
Leg of lamb
Lean veal chop
Veal roast
Venison
Skinless duck
Ostrich
Deer
Buffalo
Skinless pheasant
Rabbit
Be sure to trim all visible fat.

Cheese
Low-fat cheese
Low-fat cottage cheese
Grated cheese, such as Parmesan Cheese with 5 grams or less fat per ounce
Part-skim ricotta, mozzarella,vstring cheese
Choose low-fat cheeses and cottage cheese with 1% or 2% milk fat.

Eggs
Whole eggs (maximum 5 yolks/week)
Egg whites
Egg substitute

Soy Products
Tofu
*Unsweetened soy milk
*Vegetarian or soy-based meat substitutes
A half cup (4 ounces) of tofu has as much high-quality protein as an ounce of meat. When you opt for vegetarian meat substitutes such as veggie burgers or veggie nuggets, use the net carb rule to be sure that they have 5 grams or less per serving. Some veggie products contain hidden carbohydrate from chickpeas, lentils, or kidney beans.

Peanut and Nut Butters
Natural peanut butter (refrigerate after opening)
Natural almond butter (refrigerate after opening)
*Processed peanut butter or nut butters (use 5x5 rule)
Natural peanut butter, with only peanuts and optional salt as ingredients, offers the best choice during Step One because most processed peanut butter is sweetened with sugar. Just as you don’t have to be concerned about the carb content of nuts, you don’t have to count the carb in natural peanut butter. Processed peanut butter will require counting as a 5x5 food, due to added sugar.

HEART-HEALTHY FATS
Butter/Margarine
Whipped butter
Light butter
Butter blends (half butter, half oil)
Light, tub, and whipped margarines (avoid hydrogenation)

Oils
Olive oil
Canola oil
Peanut oil
Safflower oil
Sunflower oil
Corn oil
Vegetable oil

Salad Dressings: Most regular dressings and true vinaigrettes contain a very small amount of carbohydrate but vinaigrettes contain even less. Use regular salad dressing in a light amount, to keep your fat intake down without added carbohydrate. The age-old technique of taking salad on your fork and dipping it lightly into your salad dressing on the side really does help to cut down on your total fat consumption. Avoid fat-free salad dressings. The manufacturer generally replaces the flavor of the fat with sugar, making their carb count climb into the danger zone. If you are consuming a lower-fat dressing that contains carb, make sure that the portion you are using is less than 5 grams of carb.

Mayonnaise Light or low-fat preferred
Olives Green, black, stuffed
Nuts: Almonds, cashews, pecans, pistachios, and walnuts are all good choices. Also, peanuts, technically legumes, are acceptable. Avoid honey-roasted nuts, however, because honey is a natural sugar coating.
Sesame Seeds, Pumpkin Seeds, Sunflower Seeds Tahini paste (ground sesame seeds; use as a dip or a spread for vegetables)

Avocado
Sour Cream or Cream Cheese, Light or reduced fat is recommended.
Creamer or Half-and-Half Light or low-fat is recommended.

NEUTRAL VEGETABLES
Go to town eating the following vegetables. With the exception of tomatoes and tomato products that must be limited, you may eat these vegetables at any time and in any quantity even during Step One. They are filled with vitamins, minerals, fiber, and antioxidants for great health.
Artichoke
Artichoke hearts
Asparagus
Green beans, wax beans
Bean sprouts
Broccoli
Brussels sprouts
Cabbage
Cauliflower
Celery
Cucumber
Dill pickles
Eggplant
Onions and scallions
Greens such as collards, kale, mustard, and turnip greens
Kohlrabi
Leeks
Mushrooms
Okra
Peppers (all colors)
Radishes
Salad greens, including all lettuce, endive, escarole, romaine
Summer squash or zucchini
Spaghetti squash
Sauerkraut
Spinach
Tomato (maximum 1/meal)
Cherry tomatoes (maximum 10/meal)
*Tomato juice (4 ounces/meal) *Vegetable juice (4 ounces/meal) *Canned tomatoes (1/2 cup/meal)
Turnips
*Salsa (1/2 cup/meal)

FREEBIES DURING STEP ONE
During Step One, you can have these foods whenever you like, if their carb grams are zero:
Sweet Treats
Sugar-free gelatin
Sugar-free chewing gum
Sugar-free jelly
Sugar-free syrup
Sugar-Free ice pops

Basics
Bouillon
Broth
Consommé

Beverages
Club soda
Diet soda
Sugar-free tonic
Coffee
Tea
Select fitness water, flavored waters, and flavored seltzers

Condiments
White horseradish
Lemon and lime juice
Mustard
Dill pickles
Vinegar
Herbs
Spices


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auntnelly
09-10-2012, 01:05 PM
I did go to the websites you listed and I stumbled across another from that pin site (I'm not a member) that had awesome looking food but didn't see recipes attached, which frustrated me...

which one was that? do you remember? One of them has a link below the picture to "go to the facebook post of this recipe" Let me know which one you found and I'll try and help! :D

jab91864
09-10-2012, 07:19 PM
http://pinterest.com/suzsteece/metabolism-miracle/

I didn't realize that the name in grey at the bottom was a link. I was clicking the pictures... what a dork.

jab91864
09-10-2012, 07:25 PM
Thank you for posting the yes list. I saved it to print off.

My kindle doesn't show pages. So while I can bookmark stuff I then have to scroll through the bookmarks to see which one looks like it might be the right thread I want to read :dizzy: When it is something I want to reference all the time it is easier on paper.

I thought these looked really good
http://www.kalynskitchen.com/2006/10/egg-muffins-revisited-again.html

auntnelly
09-10-2012, 08:54 PM
http://pinterest.com/suzsteece/metabolism-miracle/

I didn't realize that the name in grey at the bottom was a link. I was clicking the pictures... what a dork.

I'm not sure which pages on the pintrest you are talking about, but it might look different and work different if you don't have a pintrest account.

If you want an account, PM me your email address and I can invite you. It is by invitation, and it is faster if someone invites you.

I have seen those egg cups before. they are a good idea, although I haven't make them yet.

jab91864
09-12-2012, 09:19 AM
I'm going to try this weekend to make something from one of the recipes I have found, not sure what yet. But I want to have something that I can carry and go.

I'm running low on ideas for quickie stuff when I am in a hurry or too tired. Carrying nuts in my pocket to work is going well enough to keep me until I get to take a lunch. I'm already bored with meal times though. I need to get some of those low carb tortillas and some low carb yogurt, although I have had no luck with the yogurt yet. I am rural and choices can be very limited at times.

I've stayed OP and I don't feel quite as run down as my "norm" so that is a good sign. Today will be extra long and I am already cranky.

Have a great OP day !!

auntnelly
09-12-2012, 10:28 AM
I don't have alot of time now, but I know what you mean. I will try and list some of what I have been eating. Finding low carb stuff has not worked for me either, we are in a small down near a slightly larger town which has some places to shop but I haven't taken the time to look for the NO carb jelly, syrup and stuff.

I thought I had posted the pancake recipe, but I accidentally posted the cheesecake one twice. Here is the pancake one. It actually takes good..my kids liked it. I was hoping to find no carb syrup but no luck with that. I ate it with natural peanut butter.

auntnelly
09-12-2012, 10:30 AM
Cream Cheese Pancakes...step 1, 2 or 3
For four 6-inch pancakes/crepes

Recipe ingredients:

2 oz cream cheese
2 eggs
1 packet stevia (or any) sweetener-- I used 2 tsps Splenda
1/2 teaspoon cinnamon

Put all ingredients in a blender or magic bullet. Blend until smooth. Let rest for 2 minutes so the bubbles can settle. Pour 1/4 of the batter into a hot pan greased with butter or pam spray. Cook for 2 minutes until golden, flip and cook 1 minute on the other side. Repeat with the rest of the batter.

Step 1...watch carb count on any toppings you choose. Use as your 5x5 carb if necessary.

Serve with sugar free syrup (or any syrup of your choice) and fresh berries.

A surprisingly satisfying substitute for the real thing. Tastes like skinny fried cheesecakes! Even if you aren't watching your carbs these are a delicious departure from the traditional doughy stack of pancakes. And you won't have the sleepy feeling that usually comes afterwards!

Taken from Blog "I breathe... I'm hungry"
http://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/2012/01/cream-cheese-pancakes.html

auntnelly
09-12-2012, 07:34 PM
For a 5x5 Carb, one muffin.

I make a whole batch of these and freeze them. I believe they should be refrigerated otherwise since they spoil quickly if left out for a long time.

CHOCOLATE BROWNIE MUFFINS For Steps One, Two, and Three
1 muffin = 5x5 carb
Makes 20 to 24 muffins

5 ounces unsweetened baking chocolate
2 cups powdered Splenda
1 3/4 cups soy flour
1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
1 1/2 teaspoons baking soda
1 teaspoon salt
2 eggs
1 (16-ounce container) light sour cream (or use just 8 ounces for a less moist muffin)
1/2 cup canola oil
2 teaspoons vanilla extract
1 cup boiling water
1/2 cup finely chopped walnuts, if desired

Preheat the oven to 350°F. Line 20 to 24 muffin cups with cupcake liners. Microwave the unsweetened chocolate on high for about 2 minutes, until it melts. Cover while microwaving to avoid spattering. Combine the dry ingredients in a mixing bowl. Add the eggs, melted chocolate, sour cream, oil, and vanilla. Stir in the nuts. Slowly add the boiling water while mixing to a smooth batter. The batter will be thin. Fill each muffin cup two-thirds full. Bake for 22 to 25 minutes. Cool on cooling rack. These muffins are great for freezing in freezer bags and pulling out as needed. They can be topped with light whipped cream. This is a 5x5 carb, so wait 5 hours before having another 5x5 carb.

I have never tried this, but it was posted by a friend of mine who made them as brownies
*Note: I don't like making muffins. I think they're too much work to scoop into the pans and then clean the pans... Even using liners, I still end up getting batter everywhere. So, I tried baking this like brownies and it worked! I used a 15x10 jelly roll pan and baked it for about the same length of time, and they turned out just fine. Then I just cut them into 24 pieces and froze them to pull out one at a time. Win!

auntnelly
09-12-2012, 07:54 PM
5x5 Carb List---what I have eaten often I will update this as I think of more

*1 Chocolate Brownie Muffin
*8 Mini Triscuit Crackers
*1 Tortilla (with net carbs of 5 or less) I broil in the oven to brown with a little butter, salt & cheese after cutting into pieces
*1 slice low carb bread(5 grams or less), toasted with natural peanut butter

From the name brand 5x5 carb list,
You can have 1 serving of any of these every 5 hours:
If you have a section you want more suggestions from, let me know and I'll add more.
Here is a sampling from each section of the list

*Atkins Advantage Bar in Caramel Double Chocolate Crunch bar - 1/2 bar
*Quest Bar Chocolate Brownie - 1 bar

*Weight Watchers 100% whole wheat bread - 1 slice
*Wonder Light Wheat Bread - 1 slice but remove outer crust
*Mission Carb Balance whole wheat tortillas regular size - 1 tortilla

*General Mills Cheerios - 1/3 cup*
*General Mills Kix - 1/3 cup*
*if you add unsweetened almond milk or soy milk in any amount, the cereal remains a 5 gram carb counter.

*Cheetos Cheese snacks - 5 pieces
*Fritos - 10 pieces
*Pepperidge Farm Goldfish crackers - 16 pieces
*Popcorn - 1 cup
*Pringles Sour Cream and Onion - 5 chips
*Quaker Quakes cheddar cheese rice snacks - 4 pieces
*Wheat Thins Flatbread (Garlic & Parsley & Tuscan Herb) - 1 flatbread
*Rold Gold pretzel stix - 12 stix

*Dove dark chocolate promises - 1 piece
*Hershey's Miniatures - 1 mini bar
*Hershey's Kisses - 2 kisses
*Maple Grove Farms Vermont Sugar Free Syrup - 1/4 cup
*Nabisco MINI Teddy Grahams (chocolate or honey) - 12 pieces

*Smucker's Low Sugar Reduced sugar preserves - 2 tsp
*Swiss Miss Diet hot chocolate mix - 1 packet

*Lipton Recipe Secrets Onion soup - 1 cup
*Campbell's cream of celery soup (water added) - 1/2 cup

Ksquared
09-12-2012, 08:34 PM
You guys have my interest piqued. This could be jsut the solution I am looking for!

Carbs are the enemy KILL THE CARBS. I gain weight like noones business if I have too many carbs. So this book sounds like something I can do.

the 5x5 carbs rule is 5 carbs every 5 hours right?

And then keep it to no carbs for meals?

I will have to buy the book tomorrow.

auntnelly
09-12-2012, 08:54 PM
Hi there Kandie Apple :) (your name makes me hungry) :D

the 5x5 carb rule is just that, for the first 8 weeks on Step 1, you get 5 grams of carbs every 5 hours.

If you eat them with your meal or not it is up to you, you are not required to eat carbs every 5 hours, But you HAVE to eat something every 5 hours. Even in the middle of the night you can if you wake up and want to, and right before bed and within an hour of waking you...you have to eat something.

The food list is above(or it may be back 1 page)....you can not eat the 5 carb grams any closer than 5 hours apart. (this is only for Step1, the next step is different...but Yes! you get carbs :D)

Here is the self quiz to see if you are a person with metabolism B which she discusses in the book. I typed this up on a different forum awhile ago.

This is the questions to look at to see if this diet could help you.

There are several lists.

Check off any of the following experiences that describe a day in your life.

You tire easily and frequently feel fatigued, even upon awakening.
You feel mildly depressed.
You fell an energy slump in the late afternoon.
You frequently feel anxious.
You crave carbohydrate foods such as bread, chips, sweets or pasta.
You midsection has a roll of fat.
You gain weight easily and find it difficult to lose weight.
You have trouble sleeping.
You are often forgetful and worry about your short-term memory.
You have racing thoughts.
Your sexual drive has declined.
You find it difficult to focus and concentrate and are easily distracted.
Bright light or headlights at night bother you.
You are irritable and have a "short fuse."
You have increased sensitivity to aches and pains.
Your eyes frequently tear up and at other times feel dry and irritated.
You have frequent dull headaches.
You feel slightly dizzy, flushed or "weak in the knees" after even a little bit of alcohol.

If you have identified with 12 or more of the clues on the symptoms list you likely have Metabolism B. After 8 weeks, if any of them remain, those should be contributed to other causes and checked out by a Dr.

Part 2
Have you dieted for years, perhaps successfully in the past, but now even tried and true diets you once relied upon for weight loss fail you?

Do you notice that you can only stick to a diet for a short time and you get so discouraged by the dismal results, constant hunger and overwhelming cravings that you abandon your good intentions?

Are you gaining weight regardless of your efforts and is this weight shifting inot a roll around your middle?

Does the fat around your midsection look and feel spongy, loose and watery?

Can people around you can eat more and yet weigh less than you?

Is your overall health--physical, mental, and emotional--declining as your weight increases?

Do you need medical prescriptions for weight-related health problems such as hypertension, cholesterol, triglycerides, acid reflux, insomnia, depression, anxiety, or arthritis pain?

Despite diet and exercise, has your doctor been forced to increase your medication dosages or add new prescriptions to maintain your health?

Do cravings sometimes gnaw at you like an addiction and do you feel a strong urge to eat carbohydrates such as candy, sweets, bread, pasta, or chips?

Do you feel depressed, irritable, unattractive, and undesirable?

Are you fatigued, even after a proper amount of sleep?

Do you miss the "old you?"

Part 3

There is a long list of medical conditions to consider in your family history...parents, siblings, grandparents, aunts, or uncles as well as yourself that might indicate you have Metabolism B.

ADD or ADHD
Anxiety or panic attacks
cholesterol isncreases
low levels of HDL
Chronic Fatigue
Mild depression Prediabetes
Type 2 diabetes
GERD
Gestational diabetes
Fibromyalgia
high blood pressure or recent increases in blood pressure
hypoglycemia
hypothyroidism .. under-active thyroid
infertility related to hormonal imbalance
metabolic syndrome
mid line fat deposits and increasing weight without increasing food intake
osteoarthritis
osteoporosis or osteopenia
PCOS
Sleep apnea
sleep disturbances

Part 4
Blood panel numbers...............Normal ................ Metabolism B

Fasting blood glucose..................65-99..............................90 or above
Total cholesterol.....................less than 200......................200 or above
LDL Cholesterol.......................less than 100.......................100 or above
HDL Cholesterol......................greater than 45......................less than 45
Cholesterol/HDL ratio................less than 5.....................greater than 4
Triglycerides...........................less than 150....................100 or above
Hemoglobin A1C.......................Less than 6.0...................greater than 6.0
Blood pressure.........................less than 130/80................greater than 130/80

If you have fasting glucose of 90 or above, you have Metabolism B.

Ksquared
09-12-2012, 10:18 PM
I am going to have to check out my blood in the morning when I wake up. I tested it once and it was 94, that was mid day. So jsut to be sure I will check in the am.

I have an appt tomorrow at 1:30 for a wellness check and then off to town for a Thyroid check. So my Wellness will include my Blood Pressure. I will ask if I can get a total blood work up just to see what the levels are across the board.

I did take the quiz and according to said quiz Met B is for me. :)

Thanks, I will check out the book tomorrow and get to reading and get some panels done. :)

auntnelly
09-12-2012, 10:44 PM
OK! Kandie Apple (I just like typing that, since I can't eat it) :D

I hope you can get some help from this. I'll be waiting to hear how your tests turn out.

jab91864
09-13-2012, 08:01 AM
Welcome Kandie Apple !!

Those pancakes do sound good, will have to give them a try.

Here are two recipes I've picked up along the way. I have not tried either yet.

1 Minute Muffins
NEUTRAL
Serving Size: 1

1/4 cup flax meal
1/2 teaspoon baking powder
1 packet splenda packet
1 teaspoon cinnamon
1 large egg
1 teaspoon butter

Put the dry ingredients in a coffee mug.

Stir.

Then add the egg and the butter. Mix.

Microwave 1 minute (or more). Take out. slice, butter, eat

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Breakfast bars

This is a very easy recipe and a NEUTRAL. This is not only for breakfast but for whenever you need something to knibble on.
Ingredients
1¼ cup almond flour
pinch salt
¼ tsp. baking soda
¼ cup. oil
½ cup Splenda
2 tbsp. coconut/almond milk
1 tsp. vanilla extract
¼ tsp. almond extract (optional)
½ cup shredded coconut
½ cup sunflower seeds
¼ cup almond slivers
¼ cup sesame seeds
¼ dried blueberries (optional)
Combine flour, salt and baking soda.
In another bowl combine oil, splenda, milk and vanilla. Mix dry ingredients into wet.
Mix in all the seeds and berries if using. Wet your hands and press dough evenly into a greased 8x8 baking dish.
Bake at 350° for 20 minutes.
Let cool and cut into bars.
Yields 12 - 16 bars.

jab91864
09-13-2012, 08:40 AM
Yesterday morning I had cottage cheese with cinnamon and splenda topped with walnuts. It was actually very good.

This morning for breakfast I am having a turkey burger (no bun) topped with cheese and an easy over egg.

Have a great OP day

auntnelly
09-13-2012, 10:43 AM
That sounds good.

where did you get the recipes? I know there are so many low-carb ones out there so it is hard to know which are 5 grams carbs or less which is VERY important for Step 1 so you can rest your pancreas and liver

I don't think there is any fruit allowed on Step 1, I know you found where she said there was though. Wish she would make changes public.

Ksquared
09-13-2012, 12:10 PM
Fasting blood reading 93. So I fall into the both normal AND MET B.
Blood Pressure 110/74

auntnelly
09-13-2012, 07:29 PM
:dancer: I'm dancing a jig today because I found some LOW CARB yogurt today! YUM! After nearly 6 weeks without fruit, it was SO yum! I looked like 10 times at the carb count and it was 4 grams..... :D AND on Sale!

Yes, I do think there is some arguments about what is considered "normal" with your fasting blood sugars.. according to the American Diabetes Association you are normal, considering what I have read around, some Drs feel that is too high. Mine is 91 last time I had it done, and also 89 another time.

I read an article that I found interesting. I will link it here with a quote that says low carb diets can actually raise fasting blood sugars......hmmmmmm. I actually have a tester, I should test in the am as well.

I usually take these sort of web sites lightly, although they are interesting, some times it is hard to know how accurate some of them are since this isn't a "big name" but more "alternative" in nature kind of medical site.

Fasting blood sugar
http://chriskresser.com/when-your-%E2%80%9Cnormal%E2%80%9D-blood-sugar-isn%E2%80%99t-normal-part-2

According to continuous glucose monitoring studies of healthy people, a normal fasting blood sugar is 83 mg/dL or less. Many normal people have fasting blood sugar in the mid-to-high 70s.

While most doctors will tell you that anything under 100 mg/dL is normal, it’s not. In this study, people with FBG levels above 95 had more than 3x the risk of developing future diabetes than people with FBG levels below 90. This study showed progressively increasing risk of heart disease in men with FBG levels above 85 mg/dL, as compared to those with FBG levels of 81 mg/dL or lower.

What’s even more important to understand about FBG is that it’s the least sensitive marker for predicting future diabetes and heart disease. Several studies show that a “normal” FBG level in the mid-90s predicts diabetes diagnosed a decade later.

Far more important than a single fasting blood glucose reading is the number of hours a day our blood sugar spends elevated over the level known to cause complications, which is roughly 140 mg/dl (7.7 mmol/L). I’ll discuss this in more detail in the OGGT section.

One caveat here is that very low-carb diets will produce elevated fasting blood glucose levels. Why? Because low-carb diets induce insulin resistance. Restricting carbohydrates produces a natural drop in insulin levels, which in turn activates hormone sensitive lipase. Fat tissue is then broken down, and non-esterified fatty acids (a.k.a. “free fatty acids” or NEFA) are released into the bloodstream. These NEFA are taken up by the muscles, which use them as fuel. And since the muscle’s needs for fuel has been met, it decreases sensitivity to insulin. You can read more about this at Hyperlipid.

So, if you eat a low-carb diet and have borderline high FBG (i.e. 90-105), it may not be cause for concern. Your post-meal blood sugars and A1c levels are more important.

jab91864
09-14-2012, 07:35 AM
Nelly ~

Both recipes are from the MM website. The muffin was on a breakfast on step 1 dissscussion forum. The breakfast bars were on a step 1 recipe thread on the same website.

I read the limit on eggs was changed as well. From what I read a lot of ppl don't seem to worry about a limitation. Apparently the original was written for diabetics. Personally I have chickens so I have a fresh supply of eggs and plan to use them as desired for a good protein source.

jab91864
09-14-2012, 07:43 AM
I stopped at the grocery last night on the way home. While the store does have a Red Mill section there was NO almond flour/meal to be found. I was very disappointed in that.

I did see they had soy flour/meal and flax meal. I will go back for the flax. I know I have seen recipes using soy flour but if memory serves me correctly it was in combo with something else so I will have to look at it again. I didn't have extensive notes with me, not to mention my phone was ringing non stop which made it hard to concentrate. No yogurt. No tortillas. I ended up buying celery and light cream cheese and left.

This weekend I am going to the next town over, they have a Wal-Mart and I know I can get the tortillas there. If they don't have what I need I will be ordering online most likely.

auntnelly
09-14-2012, 11:16 AM
Yes, I use soy flour for the chocolate brownie muffins, it does not take any other flour in that recipe, but it is a 5x5 carb per muffin.

Very nice of you to share recipes from the paid forum! Thank you! :hug: I asked because in the book, she says not to use any recipes not in the book :dizzy: for Step 1 due to needing to be sure the carb count was right. I will have to go back and see those you posted, I remember one was neutral. I won't have all the ingredients either. If I ever join, I will be copying as many recipes as I can before my subscription is over.

I have ignored the egg white only and 5 whole eggs a week limit. I did South Beach diet for awhile, and on that one, there are no egg limitations, plus they are a cheap protein and I'm not throwing out anything right now, not even an egg yolk. We are terribly short on money :(

Tortillas -- I would expect you will find some low carb tortillas at walmart. We have a large Mexican population in our area, so we might have an extra selection, but the kind I get is "OLE Xtreme wellness High Fiber Low carb" They have 5 grams carbs if you subtract carbohydrates minus fiber as we are instructed.

I also bought "LaTortilla Factory Low Carb High Fiber" tortillas. They have 6 grams carbs, but I just cut them into 6 pieces and just not eat one to make it 5 carbs, but I didn't like the taste as well.

Yogurt -- I did not find my low carb yogurt at walmart, but then again, maybe you could. It is called "CARBmaster" but it is a store brand which you won't find at walmart. Hope you can find something!

Ksquared
09-14-2012, 12:07 PM
We get Carb Master at our local Smith's or Kroger's

Dee74
09-14-2012, 09:38 PM
Hi guys, have not been here is a while. And am restarting DM on mon. Nice to find a forum for discussion, I started one on low carb friends in the diabetes section. Was here before trying WW, that did not work for me. And Atkins was tough to do long term for sure. This plan is very livable.

The Ole tortillas are not to be used as the label is not correct. You really do need to join the site for a few months to really understand it. And yes fruit although tiny amounts are allowed. Yes the lists are worth buying.The videos are very good for the most part and it is an easy plan to follow.And many things get updated on the forums. She went to a paid site due to mis information being given and this way she can control that.

My DH and I were both just dx'd pre-diabetes, but after a few weeks of testing I think we are both type 2, so back on plan after major fall off.
We has been using Jay Robbs whey protein for shakes but found Syntrax Nectar are much better and no after taste. I am not big on eggs so breakfast is hard for me trying to find what works for me. Hope we can get an active group going here. Nice to meet you both!

jab91864
09-14-2012, 09:51 PM
No Smith's or Kroger's in my area. I will see if Wal-Mart has anything. I think I read Dannon just recently came out with a low carb yogurt.

I found a recipe on the website for making pasta using soy flour. I also copy/pasted this::

Soy flour has now been declared 'neutral' by Diane

I read it in one of the postings that soy flour is neutral if the soy flour that you bought has less than 5g of carb per 1/4 cup. I thought that was interesting. Most of the posts seem to favor almond over soy for baking.

I did notice my work pants seemed a little looser this morning around the waist, which even if it is all in my head it still made me feel good..lol. I am trying to avoid getting on the scale. I don't want to fixate on a number and get down or discouraged because I think it should be more of a loss..I think most of us have been there before .

jab91864
09-14-2012, 09:54 PM
Hi Dee, welcome to the discussion

auntnelly
09-15-2012, 12:07 AM
WELCOME! Dee! :hug:
So glad some are joining here. I had hoped to find a place to talk about this diet and share things.

Right now I don't have to funds to join miricleville, which is unfortunate since that is the only place she does updates...


The Ole tortillas are not to be used as the label is not correct.

How can a person know that the label is not correct? Just wondering :?: since in the MM book she constantly tells us to read the back label......hmmmm I did and it is 5 grams when calculated by the formula she uses.

gotta run for now, it is fun having others on the diet with me.
I am on the end of week 6 of Step 1

auntnelly
09-15-2012, 12:49 PM
I found the Ole information on line which is the same as on the back of the package
Total carbs 14 - fiber 9 = 5 grams carb

This is actually acceptable for a 5x5 carb, so there may be other Ole tortillas that are not acceptable, but this one is, and it is good.

see the info here:
http://www.olemexicanfoods.com/high-fiberlow-carb-8-wraps/

Dee74
09-15-2012, 04:47 PM
I found the Ole information on line which is the same as on the back of the package
Total carbs 14 - fiber 9 = 5 grams carb

This is actually acceptable for a 5x5 carb, so there may be other Ole tortillas that are not acceptable, but this one is, and it is good.

see the info here:
http://www.olemexicanfoods.com/high-fiberlow-carb-8-wraps/
That is what we were using and she said the nutrition info is incorrect, and they had a court case about it. Supposed to be right now but she doesn't trust them. Hey if they don't slow you down or spike you go for it as they are cheap at sams and they ones she says we can use are pricey..
Thanks for the welcome, I was here for a while on WW but too many carbs. i am starting back on mon so sitting here with a box of raspberries mmmmm.

Interesting on the soy flour, i don't like soy anything I wonder how fish would be baked with it as a coating?

Ksquared
09-15-2012, 05:32 PM
Ok so I want to understand something here.

So we have the 5x5, that I understand.

What about snacks between the 5x5. Is that anything on the yes list? I just wonder because Sunflower seeds have carbs as do most nuts.

jab91864
09-15-2012, 05:41 PM
Well no yogurt in my shopping today, no almond flour. I did get flax and I did buy some dry roasted edamame which are neutral, I checked the website when I got home. I got some Torani sf flavoring too.

Like an idiot I bought the low carb La Banderita tortillas and while the pkg info seems legal I did double check on the website and Diane says NO NO NO. :?: :( I , of course, see now it is in the topics here too...lol.

"It's questionable because the ingredients don't match nutrition facts. A low carb wrap doesn't have whole wheat flour as ingredient #1"

I guess they won't be a total loss my parrot will eat them if I can't :( The Mission tortillas were there as well but they were twice the price. So I guess atleast I didn't eat them yet.

Had lunch out with a friend and had an awesome salad with grilled chicken. I didn't wish I was eating her big burger and onion rings even though they looked very good. So I thought that was a good sign craving wise.

jab91864
09-15-2012, 05:45 PM
Sunflower seeds are a neutral.

You don't have to count carbs of foods on the "approved yes" list unless they are ** starred ** . Starred items need to be counted in the 5x5 allowance

jab91864
09-15-2012, 05:48 PM
That is what we were using and she said the nutrition info is incorrect, and they had a court case about it. Supposed to be right now but she doesn't trust them. Hey if they don't slow you down or spike you go for it as they are cheap at sams and they ones she says we can use are pricey..
Thanks for the welcome, I was here for a while on WW but too many carbs. i am starting back on mon so sitting here with a box of raspberries mmmmm.

Interesting on the soy flour, i don't like soy anything I wonder how fish would be baked with it as a coating?

I see many folks apparently are recommending crushed pork rinds for coating fish and chicken. I've never tried it but while it sounds odd, it sounds more appetizing than soy flour...lol :D

Ksquared
09-15-2012, 07:03 PM
this morning we had Crustless miracle quiche it was good

And for lunch we are having low carb totrilla grilled cheese with pepperoni and Cauliflower. I sauted the cauliflower in salt, pepper, olive oil and Garlic.

Delish.

My husband thinks I am starving him but I wasn't really hungry at all between breakfast and lunch.

oh one more question. I didn't see it mentioned anywhere.. What about Beef Jerky? I LOVE beef Jerky and make it with as little fat as possible. since it is just beef and salt I would imagine it would be ok.

jab91864
09-15-2012, 07:40 PM
I checked on MM website and jerky is neutral for step 1 if the ingredients are safe... no sugar, honey , brown sugar. So your homemade should be fine.

Ksquared
09-15-2012, 07:42 PM
SWEET Awesome. That makes things so much better!

Thanks for checking that out.

I will have an update on my blood tests on Monday.

jab91864
09-16-2012, 11:01 AM
Your welcome Kandie!

I'm going to mix fresh avocado with tuna and a little mayo today and see what I think . It is raved about on the other board so I will try.

I'm pretty neutral on avocados myself, typically I can take them or leave them. Although I bought a couple shopping yesterday because there were raves about avocado fries, rolled in crushed pork rinds. I didn't get the pork rinds...lol.

Hope everyone has a great day OP

auntnelly
09-16-2012, 11:51 AM
Like an idiot I bought the low carb La Banderita tortillas and while the pkg info seems legal I did double check on the website and Diane says NO NO NO. :?: :( I , of course, see now it is in the topics here too...lol.

"It's questionable because the ingredients don't match nutrition facts. A low carb wrap doesn't have whole wheat flour as ingredient #1"


I guess I am not going to stress over the tortilla thing. I have been blissfully eating a low-carb tortilla as recommended in the book. She did NOT say "look at the label, subtract fiber from carbs, BUT if there is whole wheat listed first in the ingred. list, then doubt that they are telling the truth and buy something else" :D

I DID however, find alot of web sites with the Ole tortilla nutrition info that was different than what was on package and on the Ole official web site for the tortillas I bought, so I do expect they have changed it which would lend itself to the fact that Diane is correct in something about that, although, to continue to doubt them after they changed it? who knows? :shrug:. Diane undoubtedly knows way more than me about this, but since she refuses to offer diet changes to the public for free(which she could easily do apart from her paid forum), I have reason to doubt she is more interested in helping people than making money.... So I will be simple about following her book.

I have been fine eating these Ole tortillas and I'm not going to sweat it :crazy: I have been eating them for about 3 weeks and I am going to keep eating my tortillas, and if I want to make a change, I will do it next time I purchase some.

I think you should go ahead and eat your tortillas you bought or at very least, cut off a portion, like a 1/6 or something before eating, if Diane says NO, then she should also say how many carbs that they have so you can reduce the serving size to make them acceptable, which she can't do since she doesn't have amounts of ingreds only what the ingreds are, she can't know for certain what the nutrition information is.

I do have the La Tortialla ones and I looked at the ingred list and it does start with Oat Flour, but the next ingred is whole wheat flour, but I don't like the taste of them and I have to cut off 1/6 since they have 6 grams of carbs.

I have one other brand I had been using, and I only got the Ole ones when they were out one week and I liked them better so got them again even when the others were there. They are a local company Mama Lupes, so you all won't see those I'm sure, but they are smaller and have just 4 grams carbs. I will probably go back to those after these are gone. just to be on the safe side :)

auntnelly
09-16-2012, 12:06 PM
Ok so I want to understand something here.

So we have the 5x5, that I understand.

What about snacks between the 5x5. Is that anything on the yes list? I just wonder because Sunflower seeds have carbs as do most nuts.

The way it works is you can have the 5 grams of carbs every 5 hours. If you want to eat them with your meals, they have to be 5 hours apart, if your meals are not 5 hours apart, then you just count the hours between carbs that you eat.

Any time 5 hours has not gone by, you can not have carbs, whether for a snack or a meal. You can skip having them at any time and have them farther apart if you want so it falls at meal time. (this is for Step 1 only)

In between, you can have anything on the Yes lists...as Jab said (and I'm repeating what she said here) If it is starred in the book, you have to count the carbs....and no closer than 5 hours for starred items as a 5x5 carb food.

Ksquared
09-16-2012, 12:10 PM
I have the Santa Fe tortilla Comany Carb Cutter tortillas which are about 6 inchs and only have 3 carbs!

The first ingredient is water and then whole wheat flour so I am not going to sweat it either.

I do have a question though. (I went to sign up for the message board, but I don't do Pay pal to pay for things. I have been screwed over so many times by them)

What does she say about Truvia as a sweetener?

auntnelly
09-16-2012, 12:19 PM
Gosh, posting 3 times in a row! lol! having a busy week end.

Any how....kandie apple, we will be interested to hear your lab results on Monday. Have you been having abnormal results in the past?

Jeb...I like avocado, but I realize it is actually considered a fat, even though it is green and I'd like to consider it a veggie :D so large amounts equal large amount of fat.

Is there a recipe for the avocado/tuna/mayo mix? That sounds interesting.

I am starting to need alternative choices for foods here. I have 2 weeks left of Step 1, and my weight loss which went down, then up again, is actually going down again now. Exercising seems to help and watching my fat intake especially the nuts :o

I had inches lost and I can't wait to measure again at the end of this month. I however, am NOT interested in starting Step 2, quite a bit different than Step 1, so have to learn it all over again :dizzy:

auntnelly
09-16-2012, 12:29 PM
Kandie....is paypal the only way to pay? That is too bad you can't do that.

I have not joined and the book only talks about her recommending splenda and stevia. I can't find Truvia, I don't see that she explains why she recommends those.

Dee74
09-16-2012, 01:04 PM
Ok so I want to understand something here.

So we have the 5x5, that I understand.

What about snacks between the 5x5. Is that anything on the yes list? I just wonder because Sunflower seeds have carbs as do most nuts.

Yeah, that was a brain teaser for me too, I guess it has as much to do with glycemic index as carb count. For a while things look picked willy nilly but when I checked most were low glycemic carbs, make any sense? And yes snacks are supposed to be neutral.
Truvia has carbs, 3 so watch them if you use them.

I too have wondered if it is more about making money as there seems to be so many changes after she hears from more long term low carbers.I will post a question about her posting changes on her blog.

Ksquared
09-16-2012, 02:06 PM
Truvia has the carbs, but it said something about anything sugars ending in tol is a sugar alcohol so it would be subtracted from the total carbs?

Also Truvia is Stevia, just a different brand name.

Now if this is the case I have screwed up already!

I added some truvia to my whipped cream last night and a couple sprinkles to my 1/3 cup of cherrios and almond milk.

Also sadly the beef jerky i had had sugar in it. GAH! Oh well it's only day two, so I can steer onto the track.

Nelly,

No I haven't had abnormal tests before. I haven't really ever been sick so I have had no reason to go to the Doc. So this is new to me.

Ksquared
09-16-2012, 02:10 PM
Ok, So anything on the yes list is a nuetral and can be eaten between the 5x5.
And as I understand, nuts (or Legumes in the case of peanuts) are a slow burning carb and do not attribute to sugar but to energy. So they are nuetral for this reason.

So if that is the case (And I hope it is) then we are going ok and I only may have screwed up on the truvia and the beef jerky.

jab91864
09-16-2012, 03:45 PM
According to Diane ~

Splenda and Truvia are neutral as is Splenda or sucralose.

Mama Lupe's makes the cut ONLY because Mama appears to have changed her ingredients. So...as it stands, 1 of her wraps is a 5 gram Counter Carb! D


Then the tuna recipe read as follows:
1 can of tuna, drained
1 avocado
A bit of mayo
-------Mix all together.


I thought it seemed like a lot of avocado so I doubled the tuna. It was good !!

Dee74
09-16-2012, 05:21 PM
Truvia may be ok, but on any other item we do not subtract sugar alcohols.

auntnelly
09-16-2012, 09:00 PM
Truvia has the carbs, but it said something about anything sugars ending in tol is a sugar alcohol so it would be subtracted from the total carbs?

Also Truvia is Stevia, just a different brand name.

Now if this is the case I have screwed up already!

I added some truvia to my whipped cream last night and a couple sprinkles to my 1/3 cup of cherrios and almond milk.

Also sadly the beef jerky i had had sugar in it. GAH! Oh well it's only day two, so I can steer onto the track.

Nelly,

No I haven't had abnormal tests before. I haven't really ever been sick so I have had no reason to go to the Doc. So this is new to me.

No you are good, she recommends splenda and stevia, so if that is the same as truvia, then that should be ok.

Yes the "ol" sugar alcohols do have an effect on blood sugar, so those are counted. Some manufacturers subtract that from the total carbs, if a product has it, it will be included in the total carbs, just do NOT subtract the amount from the total carbs, just the fiber.

auntnelly
09-16-2012, 09:07 PM
Hi Dee!
Are you also doing MM diet?

What kind of things is Diane hearing from people that makes her want to change things? I thought she was the "expert" :)

Ksquared
09-16-2012, 10:08 PM
Ok I know I have alot of questions.

Tell me about Sugar free Jelly and Preserves. They are on the yes list. So are they ok?

Also they have 4 sugar alcohols.. do I take those from the total carbs?
Also I got natural peanut butter and it is peanuts, salt, palm oil and sugar. Do I need to count it as a 5x5?

Both these things are on the yes list, but I jsut want to make sure I understand completely.

auntnelly
09-17-2012, 12:29 AM
I finally found the rules on sugar-free items like jelly and syrup.

During step 1 you can have these foods whenever you like IF THEIR CARB GRAMS ARE ZERO

Sugar-free jelly
sugar-free syrup
sugar-free jello
etc etc

They are "YES WITH CONDITION" of counting the carbs for the 5 carbs and not with any other carbs that would make it go over my 5 gram limit for every 5 hours.

formula is always:

Total carbohydrates -- fiber = total grams

You can adjust the serving size to make it fit into the 5 carb rule.

for example I have some sugar free syrup:

Total carbs 11 grams

Dietary Fiber < 1 gram
sugar alcohol 10 grams

Total carbs 11 - 0 = 11 grams for 1/4 cup even though it is "sugar free" I can only have enough of this that would make 5 grams carbs and not eat anything with it that would include carbs if I use the total 5 grams allowed for just the syrup.

I would have to figure out how much, I don't have time right now to reduce the 1/4 cup to teaspoons and go from there figuring what serving size would be equal to 5 grams carbs. I could also eat a small portion of it along with a small portion of a carb food, like the silver-dollar pancakes recipe in the book, as long as the TOTAL CARBS for all items eaten at once (and within 5 hours) does not exceed 5 grams.

If your peanut butter has sugar, you have to use the above formula to adjust how much you can have, even though it is a "YES" the list has an * by it, so you count the carbs. Or if it is on the horizontal arrow <---> "yes" list those are all countable carbs even though they are allowed.

If you find a natural peanut butter with the ingredients of only peanuts and salt, that is a "free food" just as nuts are, and you don't have to count the carbs for that kind of peanut butter, just eat reasonable amounts remembering it is high in fat, thus your body will burn that fat first, before your stored fat.

Make sense? :D

Ksquared
09-17-2012, 12:59 AM
yes, sometimes I just need a little reminder that I can reduce the serving size. DUH moment LOL. Though it would be a mere taste since the bread meets the 5 carb limit. So I'd have to cut off the crust so I could add the jelly. I can't find any low carb bread. the one I have is close enough, but only for bread and butter or bread and a hint of jam but no peanut butter.

gotta find a recipe for low carb bread.

Thank you for all your help guys. it is greatly appreciated.

Ksquared
09-17-2012, 01:12 AM
WHOLEGRAIN BREAD
For crustier buns, toast lightly on both sides in nonstick pan. Copyright: More Splendid Low-Carbing with compliments for lowcarbfriends.com from Jennifer Eloff

1 cup water (250 mL)
3 tbsp olive oil (45 mL)
1 large egg
1 cup vital wheat gluten (250 mL)
2/3 cup whole wheat pastry flour, (150 mL)
OR oat flour
1/2 cup wheat OR oat bran (125 mL)
1/4 cup whole wheat pastry four, (50 mL)
OR flax seeds, ground, OR
oat flour, OR soy flour
4 tsp bread machine yeast (20 mL)
1 tbsp SPLENDA® Granular (15 mL)
1 tbsp granulated sugar (15 mL)
1 tsp salt (5 mL)
1 tsp vanilla extract (5 mL)
1 tsp baking powder (5 mL)

In cereal bowl, heat water in microwave oven 1 minute. In bread pan, place water, olive oil, egg, vital wheat gluten, whole wheat pastry flour (or oat flour), wheat or oat bran, ground flax seeds (or whole wheat pastry flour, oat flour or soy flour), yeast, SPLENDA® Granular, sugar, salt, vanilla extract and baking powder. Program bread machine to Bread Rapid setting and color to medium. Remove 30 minutes before baking time is over or when brown in color.

Variations: Loaf Pan Breads (Two): Use 1 cup (250 mL) water, plus 3 tbsp (45 mL), 2 eggs, 11/4 cups (300 mL) 80% vital wheat gluten and 2 tsp (10 mL) baking powder. Follow recipe above with these changes. Program bread machine to pizza cycle. Divide dough in two equal portions. Place each portion in greased 9 x 5 x 3-inch (2 L) loaf pan and place pans on bottom shelf in preheated 225°F (107°C) oven which is off. Cover lightly with foil. Allow to rise 40 minutes. Remove foil; switch on oven to 350°F (180°C), leaving loaves inside. Bake 30 minutes. Place loaves on cake rack to cool. Place in paper bag and leave at room temperature for crusty loaves. Refrigerate for longer storage or freeze. Yield: 2 Loaves, 22 slices each, 1 slice per serving. (2.0 g Carbs)

jab91864
09-17-2012, 09:19 AM
On the way out the door to work. Had tuna and cottage cheese for breakfast, not my favorite breakfast choice but the higher the protein the better I feel at the start of my work day.

Pre-made a cauliflower pizza crust so I can do a quickie pizza when I get home tonight. Have to say the crust came out much better than I had thought. I cut a tiny corner off to taste and it does have a bread like texture. A slight cauliflower taste at the end but once toppings are on it I don't think it will be that noticeable.

Regarding peanut butter I have been using the smucker's natural peanut butter .

Have a great OP day everyone !!

Dee74
09-17-2012, 10:26 AM
Hi Dee!
Are you also doing MM diet?

What kind of things is Diane hearing from people that makes her want to change things? I thought she was the "expert" :)

Yes, starting again today or tomorrow lots going on.
I did ask her about any changes she said there were none in the plan just foods that are ok as manufacturers keep changing recipes. Others were long time LC staples OMM, cauliflower pizza crust etc.

And I read here that 2 slip ups a week were ok, now 1 in five hours = another 3 days.
So really no change just got to keep watching the labels on foods you eat, My Jay Robbs unflavored just went from no carbs to 1 so.... keep reading.
Yes DH and I both are pre diabetic and must do something and this is livable.

Looking forward to having some friends and support, Dee.

auntnelly
09-17-2012, 10:27 AM
Kandie
I use Sara Lee 45 calories & Delightful 100% whole wheat bread. It has 5 grams carbs in 1 slice. I keep it in the freezer and take out one slice at a time so the loaf lasts a long time.

I also use Smucker's Natural Peanut Butter, it has no sugar only peanuts and salt, so I can have peanut butter on my slice of bread because I don't have to count carbs for this particular peanut butter.
Maybe when your jar is gone, you can get a different kind

Jab Yes! the cauliflower crust pizza is wonderful, although some what time consuming squeezing out the water. You WILL enjoy it.
I use 1 TBSP of Ragu pizza sauce since it doesn't have sugar added. That is about....1 gram?? carbs?? I can't remember, but since the pizza is neutral(as long as you add neutral toppings), you could add some sauce and count the carbs.

Ksquared
09-17-2012, 12:53 PM
That is what I got, the Sara Lee 45 calories & Delightful 100% whole wheat bread.

I made my hubby half a sandwich from it for his drive home from work. The poor guy thinks I am starving him, but he ate a good breakfast this morning with just the carb cutter tortilla a couple eggs, ham, cheese and green chile. For lunch he has a tomato stuffed with Chicken salad (3 carbs) some sugar free jello and some cheese sticks.

I had a small bowl of cherrios and the left over ham and went back to bed LOL. I am going to have a grilled cheese sandwich with pepperoni in it with the tortilla.

We did have a little mishap yesterday, which is ok, we will just start from today. We had some Chinese yesterday and just had chicken and a lean steak with no fat, however we were afraid that because of the sauces they would have carbs. So we called lunch a wash and started again with Breakfast. So we will start officially today. :)

auntnelly
09-17-2012, 02:19 PM
Sounds like you are doing a great job ! If your DH thinks he is being starved, maybe give him an extra serving of the foods on the yes list....like for his half sandwich, use extra meat and cheese inside, for example. Those men do need more food than we do usually. Then give him a side of some other yes foods, like celery with LF cream cheese. or cucumber slices or something for munching if he likes it. I don't like alot of veggies, so I can relate if he isn't happy with what I just suggested :)

Or along with the "normal" sandwich, you can make a lettuce wrap one...use a large lettuce leaf, spread with LF mayo, add the meat, cheese and even long and thin tomato slices and roll up... low carb sandwich for extra protein he might need

auntnelly
09-17-2012, 02:23 PM
Just remembered something we like here

tortilla, spread with cream cheese, add the green onions if you like those, layer thin sliced LF meats and cheese, roll up and eat, or slice for a pinwheel look.

Ksquared
09-17-2012, 03:21 PM
The lunch he has is a pretty beefy tomato and I gave him some cheese sticks and I told him he could continue to eat his sunflower seeds. He will be ok, His BS is dropping into normal levels and he is a little extra cranky.

He sure saw the effect of the Chinese we had yesterday though his BS jumped up from 120 to 170 this morning. So we know that was a bad move.

auntnelly
09-17-2012, 06:41 PM
Kandie glad you can see your husbands blood sugar responding to a new eating plan. That is great! I understand "cranky" when dealing with blood sugar issues.....I have been cranky too when I have to wait to eat. I fix food for the family and then for me. One of my boys said "watch out, mom hasn't eaten yet!" lol ! yep, I understand cranky :)

Dee That is great you are starting again.:hug: I am glad our group is enlarging, kind of a funny title to the thread, but it works for ME!

I wondered about changes, because someone here reported reading there were some allowed fruits on phase 1. That was a couple pages ago, but she had read it on the Miricleville forum, so I expected it was correct. Maybe not?:?: I didn't add any of those in yet, but was wondering.

jab91864
09-17-2012, 07:16 PM
Someone ate my lunch at work today. Not all of it but they ate half the cheese, half the cherry tomatoes and then moved the turkey slices from the bottom to the top ...probably as they rifled through my little lunch container. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

So I threw the rest out and did without. I am very upset, not to mention I was starving by the time I got home :( .

Dee74
09-17-2012, 07:48 PM
Yeah, glad to see a group getting active. Aunt Nelly you may wish to check the bread next time you buy it, it went up in carbs, now believe it or not the honey wheat in the same brand is 5 carbs for 1 slice.

Yes you can have fruit or anything you want as long as it fits the 5 carbs or less. Ice cream a nice taste, blueberries 1/4 cup etc you just have to decide how to spend your 5 :) I have 2 Hershey's kisses for a choc jones, but buy in very small amounts and freeze.
I am sure it is preferable to have a slow carb, but hey life is short! Been easing into it today, lots going on tomorrow too. I want to have a day to cook up a quiche, muffins and get my groc together but that may not happen so will do the best I can.
jab,who the **** eats someones lunch???? Moochers, can't stand them. I am sure if they would have asked you probably would have shared, geez I don't get folks anymore.

You guys should really join the site for at least a month it is not that much and you will be in the loop, lots of good info there.

Ksquared
09-17-2012, 07:59 PM
Oh no that is terrible! I would have gone down to the closest store and picked up some goldfish crackers, or something jsut to get your 5x5 in!

For Lunch I had my tortilla with cheese and pepperoni. Then for my dinner I had a slice of bread with the crusts cut off, cheese and pepperoni on top toasted. Oh it was SO yummy! Now I am having a nice grilled Pork Chop to round off my meal.

I am finding this pretty easy with the Yes List and the freedom to snack on things on the yes list (That aren't marked with a * ) Though I am having a hard time with 64 ounces of water, my goodness I would drown! I usually end up with 30-40 ounces. Unless you include the bottle of water I have for drinking through out the night. But that would only bring it up to 56. Someone once told me to count the Ice I put in my drinks too. Not sure how that works.. So maybe I do get 64 ounces of water in if you add up all the ice and water I drink in a 24 hour period.

No results yet on the blood work. UGH I hate waiting!

Ksquared
09-17-2012, 10:07 PM
I would join, but I don't do Pay Pal.

auntnelly
09-17-2012, 11:36 PM
Yes, I actually do have the "honey wheat" which is 5 grams a slice.

That is awful someone would eat your lunch?? OH who would be so mean? Especially since it was so healthy! ;)

I guess there are low and high impact carbs, I need to go back and re-read some of the book, but maybe that doesn't come into effect until Step 2.

I have a hard time with water too, but I started adding that water flavoring stuff, and it helps alot. I don't do the name brand, but a store brand from walmart:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Fruit-Punch-Drink-Enhancer-1.62-oz/19802860

Pay Pal has always worked fine for me, sorry you have had issues. I would join if we were not scraping the bottom right now. I did buy 2 of the lists for $3 each a month apart, and I bought the book. Quite the splurge of spending ...not really, but being self employed has low and high times of income.:p

Dee74
09-17-2012, 11:58 PM
I would join, but I don't do Pay Pal.

Sorry, did not realize it was the only way to join. I hated to do it at first thought it was more about money. But I have to admit it has clarified many of the finer points of the program and watching some of the videos have really helped understand why the timing and fat loss and A1C and how they all relate. I am a nurse and did not get all that info in school! Not to mention the great ideas others on the plan have added for foods and recipes. Now that I am pre diabetic lots to learn.

jab91864
09-18-2012, 08:46 AM
Well I am taking 2 separate lunches today. One that will go in my tiny locker and be safe, and one that will be in the refrigerator in the breakroom. The one in the breakroom will be for that special someone.

I used gentian violet to lace some brownies, therefore if someone gets into my fake lunch they will be dyed purple. The brownies bites are on plastic wrap on top of the tomatoes and cheese. So if they just want tomatoes or cheese they will have to move the brownies to get to them. I have a list of suspects and I will be checking fingertips and lips during the day.

Management did offer to give me a voucher to go to the cafe, like I am going to find something in deep fry heaven I can eat. I am really ticked off. The dept I work in is understaffed and over worked. I don't get to take my 15 min breaks I only get my lunch to sit down and eat something. My "snacks" have to be something that will fit in my pocket and hide , therefore it is an extra small baggie of nuts which trust me didn't go far for 2 snacks and lunch yesterday.

Not to mention it makes me wonder how long someone has been partaking of my lunch and I did not realize it. I imagine dirty fingers touching my food and who knows what germs have been crawling around in my food container. This person didn't just pick off the top they re-arranged the bowl as they dug around in there.

Dee74
09-18-2012, 11:33 AM
Well I am taking 2 separate lunches today. One that will go in my tiny locker and be safe, and one that will be in the refrigerator in the breakroom. The one in the breakroom will be for that special someone.

I used gentian violet to lace some brownies, therefore if someone gets into my fake lunch they will be dyed purple. The brownies bites are on plastic wrap on top of the tomatoes and cheese. So if they just want tomatoes or cheese they will have to move the brownies to get to them. I have a list of suspects and I will be checking fingertips and lips during the day.

Management did offer to give me a voucher to go to the cafe, like I am going to find something in deep fry heaven I can eat. I am really ticked off. The dept I work in is understaffed and over worked. I don't get to take my 15 min breaks I only get my lunch to sit down and eat something. My "snacks" have to be something that will fit in my pocket and hide , therefore it is an extra small baggie of nuts which trust me didn't go far for 2 snacks and lunch yesterday.

Not to mention it makes me wonder how long someone has been partaking of my lunch and I did not realize it. I imagine dirty fingers touching my food and who knows what germs have been crawling around in my food container. This person didn't just pick off the top they re-arranged the bowl as they dug around in there.

Love it, hope you catch the thief!

Ksquared
09-18-2012, 12:06 PM
Wow you go girl!

This is my official Day 2. Let's see how it goes.

So for Breakfast I am having 2 eggs, a green chile and half a slice of bread with 1 tsp of preserves. I realized that I could have gone for the whole piece with out the crust and the tsp of preserves as the tsp is only 1 carb!

Ah well I already ate my half. 1 tsp was a pretty good amount of jelly too.

Not sure what I am doing for lunch yet.. I might be out with a friend. so I may grab my 16 pieces of goldfish and eat something yes list for lunch.

I hope you all don't mind my daily check ins. You don't have to respond, just keeping me accountable and moving along.


Edited to add:

My fasting BS today is 82! Down 11 points. Hubbies was the lowest it has been at 117 last evening. He is taking medication though, but I hope we can get it into the normal range with the help of the medication and perhaps his Dr. will take him off it all and see if this diet will help him, or at least have one medication to take, not 4.

auntnelly
09-18-2012, 01:39 PM
Dee I will consider signing up for a month, but maybe after some of our bills get all paid off the end of this month.

Jab how creative of you to do that, I would not have thought of it. I hope you can catch the person. Will you bring it to your supervisor's attention when you do?

I would have taken the meal voucher. You would be surprised how many fast food places offer something low carb, like grilled chicken without breading or even salads. Mostly the salads are disappointing, with mainly lettuce and not much meat, but I haven't tried them every where, so there may be some good ones out there. If they don't have these things, just get a hamburger with cheese and bacon, and do not eat the bun, order tomato and lettuce, and you have something you can eat. Maybe a little higher in fat than you want, but much better than loading on the carbs.

Sorry you have to work so hard. They are really breaking the law not to give you a break when they are supposed to. Hard to complain when they would just say you are fortunate to have a job, when so many are without one right now.

Kandie apple That is amazing your fasting BS was down today and your husbands as well! That should give you renewed hope and encouragement that what you are doing is working for you! :)
Yes, if this diet does as she says in the book, you and your husband should see results, but you should be sure to keep the Dr in the loop so his meds can be adjusted so he doesn't end up having issues with it all.

I don't mind you checking in. I am not used to an active group on this diet, so it is good to hear what you are doing and eating. I think you will be able to find something when you eat out. There are tips in the book as well.

I personally, have a Moms group on Tuesday mornings and there is always snack foods and mainly carbs. I have determined to take my MM choco muffin along and eat it. So far not one person has asked how come I have a choco muffin when they didn't get it. So I will continue acting like I am "normal" if someone does ask, I can say why and feel OK about it, I am loosing weight and inches, so I feel empowered to continue.

Ksquared
09-18-2012, 02:19 PM
I made a blog as well, if any of you are interested in checking it out, following it or joining me there too.

I know it's been an official 2 days, but I really feel this is it for me and I want to help out anyone else out there that might be struggling and not know why.

http://journeytosvelte.tumblr.com/

Dee74
09-18-2012, 08:44 PM
Aunt Nelly how do you make your choco muffin if you don't mind? Have any of you ever made a big batch and baked them in the oven.

Well did better today very close to on plan I think. I need to read again too.

Well did anyone show up purple today?

auntnelly
09-18-2012, 09:33 PM
Here is the recipe. I make the whole batch and freeze them. They are pretty moist. I have never done it as a brownie, but at the end, the friend of mine posted she had, so I included her directions as well.
This is actually in the MM book.

For a 5x5 Carb, one muffin.

I make a whole batch of these and freeze them. I believe they should be refrigerated otherwise since they spoil quickly if left out for a long time.

CHOCOLATE BROWNIE MUFFINS For Steps One, Two, and Three
1 muffin = 5x5 carb
Makes 20 to 24 muffins

5 ounces unsweetened baking chocolate
2 cups powdered Splenda
1 3/4 cups soy flour
1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
1 1/2 teaspoons baking soda
1 teaspoon salt
2 eggs
1 (16-ounce container) light sour cream (or use just 8 ounces for a less moist muffin)
1/2 cup canola oil
2 teaspoons vanilla extract
1 cup boiling water
1/2 cup finely chopped walnuts, if desired

Preheat the oven to 350°F. Line 20 to 24 muffin cups with cupcake liners. Microwave the unsweetened chocolate on high for about 2 minutes, until it melts. Cover while microwaving to avoid spattering. Combine the dry ingredients in a mixing bowl. Add the eggs, melted chocolate, sour cream, oil, and vanilla. Stir in the nuts. Slowly add the boiling water while mixing to a smooth batter. The batter will be thin. Fill each muffin cup two-thirds full. Bake for 22 to 25 minutes. Cool on cooling rack. These muffins are great for freezing in freezer bags and pulling out as needed. They can be topped with light whipped cream. This is a 5x5 carb, so wait 5 hours before having another 5x5 carb.

I have never tried this, but it was posted by a friend of mine who made them as brownies
*Note: I don't like making muffins. I think they're too much work to scoop into the pans and then clean the pans... Even using liners, I still end up getting batter everywhere. So, I tried baking this like brownies and it worked! I used a 15x10 jelly roll pan and baked it for about the same length of time, and they turned out just fine. Then I just cut them into 24 pieces and froze them to pull out one at a time. Win!

Dee74
09-18-2012, 11:00 PM
Thanks, I have the DM book but is has no recipes. I did download the cookbook on Kindle but what pain. So I ordered a hard copy.
Does one of these fill you up for the morning? Can you taste the soy in them?

I had MM from the library but a diabetic friend swiped it and brought it back with 4 days left, since it was on a wait list I could not renew it. Maybe will just have to order it too. I need better breakfast recipes as I am not a egg person. Ideas ladies?

auntnelly
09-18-2012, 11:05 PM
I posted these pancakes earlier in the thread, I'll post them again here.
My kids even liked these and they are neutral before toppings or syrup. I have not found no carb syrup as listed in the book :(

Cream Cheese Pancakes...step 1, 2 or 3
For four 6-inch pancakes/crepes

Recipe ingredients:

2 oz cream cheese
2 eggs
1 packet stevia (or any) sweetener-- I used 2 tsps Splenda
1/2 teaspoon cinnamon

Put all ingredients in a blender or magic bullet. Blend until smooth. Let rest for 2 minutes so the bubbles can settle. Pour 1/4 of the batter into a hot pan greased with butter or pam spray. Cook for 2 minutes until golden, flip and cook 1 minute on the other side. Repeat with the rest of the batter.

Step 1...watch carb count on any toppings you choose. Use as your 5x5 carb if necessary.

Serve with sugar free syrup (or any syrup of your choice) and fresh berries.

Note from original poster listed below: A surprisingly satisfying substitute for the real thing. Tastes like skinny fried cheesecakes! Even if you aren't watching your carbs these are a delicious departure from the traditional doughy stack of pancakes. And you won't have the sleepy feeling that usually comes afterwards!

Taken from Blog "I breathe... I'm hungry"
http://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/2012...-pancakes.html

auntnelly
09-18-2012, 11:09 PM
Dee, I'll try and post more breakfast ideas later. Go back a few pages and I typed in some of the 5x5 carb list that I bought. There are some cereal amounts you can use if you use unsweetened almond milk or soy milk you don't have to count the milk in the carbs, just the cereal as listed.

Dee74
09-19-2012, 01:39 AM
Thanks Auntnelly for posting some recipes. I bought the lists and cereal only makes me more hungry, and the amounts very small like the fruit. I think the syrup is Walden Farms or you could see if Davincis carries a maple flavor, I know they have blueberry, and others. Check on Netrition. I have not has any walden farms anything that I could stand but ymmv. Or add a flavoring to the batter.
I do get a lot of good info from Mville site I just need to get some time to cook and get the right foods in so I have a better variety of things.
So how long have you been doing MM and are you diabetic if you don't mind saying?

Ksquared
09-19-2012, 12:50 PM
It is day three now.. and for the first time I was actually hungry. I ordered a breakfast burrito from my favorite place, but I replaced the tortilla part with my own carb cutter tortilla when I got home with it. GO ME.

I only managed to eat half of my burrito. I was hungry, but I just couldn't eat that much. I am not sure if that has any significance, it is the third day, the last day of the liver and pancreas hunger stuff.

I am going to make some of those chocolate muffins today too.

Last night we had pork ribs with green beans and celery in cheese. It was yummy, but I think I ate too much!

auntnelly
09-19-2012, 03:29 PM
Dee I totally understand about needing a variety of ideas. I will list more as I have some.
I will look in one more store for that syrup. I don't have many options here since we don't live near enough to a large city to make it worth the drive.

For breakfast, some times I just eat toast on 5 carb bread and natural peanut butter.
Turkey bacon takes preparation, but it tastes good. You can always fry it ahead and eat it later, maybe with LF cheese on a 5 carb bread.

In the book are several egg based dishes like quiche, and a "taste of hot "cereal" made with chopped almonds and Brazil nuts and a pancake recipe..if you are interested in any of those, I can type them in, just let me know. I have only tried the pancake one, but it is a 5x5 carb, and I like the other cream cheese pancakes much better and they are neurtral.

As for more about me (I don't mind you asking) :)
This is my 7th week on Step 1 of the MM diet.

When I measured after the first month I had lost 2 inches on my bust, 1.5 inches on my bra line, 2 inches at my waist and an inch on my hips. I know I"m not supposed to weigh, but I have been and then averaging the weight. So far the averaged weight loss is 4.2 lbs. I also have to move my bra hook over 2 now, which is awesome, but due to how short waisted I am I think.

I am not diabetic, but I did have gestational diabetes with 2 of my 9 children. However, my Dr insisted I continue the diabetic diet with 2 of my babies with no testing, and those were the 2 that were the smallest. The next one was 10 lbs 11 ozs with a new DR and no diet. Yep, I believe the Meta. B with the extra insulin release was at work there.

But now, I had a 91 fasting blood sugar, but my triglycerides had begun to just go over the normal level, so I know I was heading down a bad path since diabetes 2 is in my extended family. With the history of gestational diabetes, I got worried I would end up there as well.

But mostly, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't loose even a pound, and have gained 40 lbs in the past 10 years, and also I felt horrible, always tired and draggy, no motivation, etc.
soooo here I am. I feel some better, but don't always get the sleep I need, so some times it is hard to tell.

Ksquared
09-19-2012, 05:32 PM
Well for lunch I had steak strips and 2 Hershey kisses. Mmmmmmm

Oh and I think you all are insane, those chocolate muffins are ICKY (had a tiny piece)

auntnelly
09-19-2012, 05:39 PM
haha!! No no, they are really good muffins. IF you ate them after the hershey kisses or other sweet yummy, well of course they aren't as sweet in comparison. However, wait until you have not had sweets for a few weeks and boy are they ever sweet and yummy!;)

Ksquared
09-19-2012, 06:44 PM
All my blood panels were normal. The only thing was my cholesterol is a flagged. She didn't tell me why, I will find out tomorrow however. My Thyroid is normal, everything was perfect.

auntnelly
09-19-2012, 07:28 PM
Kandie apple that is good news about being normal, but I understand the frustration that can also come with that. I kept looking for a reason for my issues and never found it until the MM diet book came into my hands.

My cholesterol was also high but because my triglycerides were elevated. This diet should do well with that.

What are the things you are suffering from? Or was this just an annual physical?

Dee74
09-19-2012, 08:23 PM
Thanks Aunt Nelly, 9 kids WOW you should not have gained a pound in years! :D

No need to type stuff in there are plenty of LC recipes around. I have done Atkins/my own lc plan on and off for years I am sure i can find something. I just don't think my heart is in it right now. And still having a hard time getting my head around her ideas and the slow weight loss. Maybe it is just still being bummed about my BS numbers rising. Ah I'll get there.
As far as LC products, netrition and amazon have most of what you are looking for and $5 shipping or free, beats running around town.

Do you guys use the counters? My first run was 12 days but I still had cravings with them. The last few days have been general lc for me until I make up my mind what to do.

ksquared, good on your numbers and the kisses! Now you have me worried about buying the stuff to make them.

Ksquared
09-19-2012, 10:40 PM
I think I might have used too much oat flour.. They taste ok.. but I think I used too much.. I would cut it back to maybe 1 1/2 cups of the oat flour.

I like funny things though and I am not a fan of splenda. I like Salt and Vinegar chips and peanut butter on my french toast and syrup on my bacon. I LOVE sweet and Salty. Kettle corn and all that jazz, so don't go by my whacked out taste buds.

auntnelly
09-19-2012, 10:56 PM
Dee...yeah, the kids keep me hopping, but also, with the last 2 only I kept 10 lbs after they were born, with all the others, I always weighed LESS after they were born than when I got pregnant.

I think you would benefit from this diet. Basically if you go on to get diabetes, you will have to be on a diet not of your choosing, so you need to remember that...one of the things that I thought of.

The weight loss might be slower, but the INCHES, wow, I mean I am loosing them. I have moved my bra hook over another notch since I started, that makes 2 notches thinner than I was 7 weeks ago. I really wanted to see pounds gone, but the inches have been the biggie for me.

And the muffins? I use the entire 16 ounces of sour cream for one thing. They are not very sweet, so if you want sweeter, I guess you could add some more splenda. Maybe you cooked them too long, that would make them dry as well.

Kandie...I have always had a hard time picking between a small piece of chocolate, and eating a whole slice of bread or a tortilla. I have been picking the more food except 2 times when I had the small chocolate and I found myself disappointed.

I DO like this diet because I can HAVE carbs on the first Step and that is amazing to me! I love being able to diet and have my carbs too! Unlike the south beach diet which I did before, this seems easy in comparison since we are allowed small amounts of carbs.

Ksquared
09-19-2012, 11:21 PM
it is, this one seems much easier.

I had half a breakfast burrito today for Breakfast
Strips of steak and 2 kisses
I had a tortilla pizza for dinner and a Sugar free jello.

I didn't even snack today! I am kinda proud of myself.

jab91864
09-20-2012, 09:01 AM
I thought snacks were important so we don't go longer than 5 hours without a protein or did I goof that up ?

Nothing new on my end. I'm still cranky , which was pointed out to me last night. I admit I already knew it, so obviously the whole feeling of peace and light that descends upon us after day 3 has missed me...lol. I am also very tired, but I was tired before I started. The only time I really crave anything is if something is near me, for instance the watermelon in the fridge looks so good.

Now that being said, I'm being very good food wise, staying OP. I'm taking the vitamins and drinking the green tea. Exercise is difficult but not impossible and I need to bump it up. The only other thing is as the norm I'm NOT eating my allotted carbs. It's just easier to eat from the yes list and not have to worry about it.

So this morning for breakfast I had one of the "in question" tortillas that pkg wise says it's legal carb wise...lol with tuna and avocado. We'll see if that helps.

I have lost weight, and I believe inches.... my clothes are looser. I am not jumping on and off the scale this time around cuz it will mess with my head.

The other subject at hand, the lunch at work, nobody has touched the duplicate lunch in the breakroom fridge I have been carrying in . Mgt talked to the person they suspected, maybe they complaints about him before I don't know I didn't ask. He denied it and so far it's been hands off , so nobody has been dyed to look like they are turning into a blueberry...lol

auntnelly
09-20-2012, 11:15 AM
Jab, you are correct, we have to eat every 5 hours, but if our meals are not more than 5 hours apart, we are not required to snack.
I don't remember reading about 5 hours with out a PROTEIN. I may have missed that, it would make sense though....I just read 5 hours without eating something.

I didn't have a great feeling on day 3 either! :)
I understand about skipping the carbs. I usually try and get them in, but often I forget at the right time and then want to wait and have them with my meal. THEN I get crabby....lol ! grrrrrr I say, I missed my chance now I either wait or have nothing to eat for supper!

That is good you aren't getting on the scale if it will bother you if you gain. It said in the book we would loose irregularly and it IS true. I lost then gained 2 or 3 lbs of it back for over a week, then now I'm down again. just don't get on the scale if that will upset you. but DO measure! I almost did not but now I am really glad I did. End of next week I"ll measure again and see what it is before starting Step 2.

Wish you all where close to Step 2 as well, I can see it is a whole new plan and I"m not that excited about making a change.

Dee74
09-20-2012, 11:38 AM
Jab, make a cup of broth chicken or whatever, those symptoms are usually too low sodium, or start using a tad more salt.

Yeah, Aunt Nelly I am having a hard time mentally/medically to start anything with gusto ;) I have been general lc the last few days fbs was 104 this morning instead of 130, and in the 90 during the day yesterday so that is good.
I did take my measurements when i started a few weeks back so do have them for a baseline. I need better tracking for a while, I keep missing the 5 hr window because I don't have a normal schedule right now. I don't know why I am having a hard time with that, but will get there maybe need an timer to go off at 4.5 :D

Do yo guys notice anything much with the green tea, I don't like it so not using it. Have always taken vits so ok there.
Glad everyone is doing well and can't wait to ear you all down mucho inches!

Ksquared
09-20-2012, 01:01 PM
Jab. I eat at 9 am and have my 5 carbs:
Today is was toast without the crust and a tsp of sugar free preserves and 2 eggs

Then at 2pm I will have my lunch. Which I might do half a tuna sandwhich without the crust and go for a 1 kiss as well, then I will make some sugar free jello for a snack if I need one.

then at 7pm I will have dinner: Last night it was a Tortilla Pizza. Tonight I might do Cheesey burgers again with some brocoli and Green beans.

Then at 11:30 - Midnight I will have my 5 carbs before going to bed. Last night it was 2 kisses. I don't get up for the next 5 hour one, that just messes my whole day up then.

If I feel snacky I have some peanuts, but I haven't felt real snacky.

auntnelly
09-20-2012, 01:31 PM
Yes, setting a timer is a great idea! I think she even suggests that in the book because it is SO important to eat something every 5 hours.

Double checked the book and she says eat a meal or snack every 5 hours. I don't see a reference to a specific kind of meal or snack.

You do not HAVE to eat CARBS every 5 hours, just something ... a meal or snack. However you can not have carbs LESS than 5 hours apart on Step 1.

In Step 2 which I am starting to try and understand, it all changes, then you HAVE to eat 11-20 grams of carbs at every meal and before bed and no gaps of greater than 5 hours.

It is all very specific and yet I suppose once I get the hang of it, it will be easy.

Green tea? Forget it, yuck lol ! I think it is supposed to be very healthy with antioxidants and stuff. Taking my vitamins though when I don't forget.

Dee74
09-20-2012, 03:12 PM
I had to give up the Kisses and go back to ricotta cheese with cocoa or flavorings, plus I get more and more filling.

My hard copy of the cookbook came today yeah!

I don't have a recipe for this but used to make a lasagna using cooked spag squash, sauce, gr beef or italian sausage or both, mushrooms, onions, ricotta, moz and parm cheese, bake. Nice change of pace and not as much work as zuke or eggplant. Should be a neutral if easy on the sauce. Then we can have a garlic bread slice and salad.

Ok, made the list and will buy the stuff for the choco muffins, sounds like a nice morning or desert muffin.
Found out turkey sausage is yucky! I guess I have never been big on breakfast lunch meats. I keep trying them then toss in freezer for hubby.

I was hoping for a good purple story, but glad they have stayed away from your lunch. Have a great day all.

Ksquared
09-20-2012, 06:37 PM
My Chol Leverls were up 14 points. Everything else was within normal range.

The Doc is is very firm on the diagnosis she gave me of PCOS.
She said I am makng too much insulin and the excess is getting turned into fat and being stored. Which explains the tum tum and why I cna't seem to lose weight for nothing.

Basically she said this diet is perfect because carbs are now my arch enemy and should be destroyed! But not by eating them. -sigh- Bye bye french fries.. I will miss you.

auntnelly
09-20-2012, 07:30 PM
Yeah what she said about the lunch being stolen, hoping whoever did it got scared enough to quit, but the purple story would have been fun.

Dee, sorry you didn't like the turkey bacon, there are so very many kinds, I suppose they might vary on the taste. I liked the kind I got.

Kandie apple(yum, still like typing that, especially in the fall) I believe your Dr is very correct, I am glad you got confirmation, I never did...I think this diet is made for you. I didn't get ANY support for it at my apt in July. Well, I'm doing it any way.

Share if you find good recipes in that cookbook. Mostly I am finding I don't like them, more the ones people actually use, not the ones that people think they need to put in a cookbook that they expect to sell.

jab91864
09-20-2012, 08:23 PM
I haven't even started to read phase 2 yet of the diet. It will only add to my confusion...lol. I do see on the MM website that quite a few ppl choose to stay on phase 1 longer than eight weeks for various reasons. Fear of adding in the carbs being one of them. I can see that being me :dizzy:

I try to keep an eye on the clock at home and at work, but I could see how having an alarm on the watch or phone might work out better. I am NOT getting up in the middle of the night to eat something. Don't get me wrong I am up twice a night to visit the bathroom but I am not bypassing to the kitchen or I will never get back to sleep.

I measured myself on day 1, I have never done that on any other diet so it will be surprising to see how that plays out for me.

auntnelly
09-20-2012, 09:16 PM
Oh no, I didn't even look at Step 2, until I started getting close. Yes, it is confusing and I hope I can understand it enough to move on. I do not want to move on either, but she makes it very clear in the book that Step 1 rests the liver and pancreas and if you stop using them by staying too long on Step 1, they will not work well when needed.

so on I will move although I don't know how I could possibly loose eating so much more carbs, but I will trust that things are changing enough for my body to do things right this time around.

I, too have never measured on a diet, but I did this time and was SO glad I did !

Dee74
09-20-2012, 11:56 PM
It wasn't so much the cookbook, but shortened version how and why to do the plan or DH will never read it :D
I have never been big on cured meats I am a pretty simple eater I guess. That and the first time we did atkins years ago DH cooked so much bacon I can barely stand the smell to this day! Kind of makes lc a little tougher though.

Kandi Apple, sorry about your dx at least you on lc hopefully it will keep symptoms at bay for you. Good you have doc who is on board for you. Hope your numbers keep coming down.

Yeah what she said about the lunch being stolen, hoping whoever did it got scared enough to quit, but the purple story would have been fun.

Dee, sorry you didn't like the turkey bacon, there are so very many kinds, I suppose they might vary on the taste. I liked the kind I got.

Kandie apple(yum, still like typing that, especially in the fall) I believe your Dr is very correct, I am glad you got confirmation, I never did...I think this diet is made for you. I didn't get ANY support for it at my apt in July. Well, I'm doing it any way.

Share if you find good recipes in that cookbook. Mostly I am finding I don't like them, more the ones people actually use, not the ones that people think they need to put in a cookbook that they expect to sell.

jab91864
09-21-2012, 09:19 AM
Hope everyone is having a great OP day !!

I am wearing work pants I haven't been comfortable in for a few months :D , that alone feels good.

bettyboop56
09-21-2012, 09:51 AM
Curious how much progress you are both having? I bought the book on my kindle yesterday and so far am interested in starting. And I will admit the step 1 no list does scare me.

I never realized yogurt had carbs, in the past I have paid so much attention to fats and calories I guess I never noticed. I am a yo-yo dieter, I never keep it off.

Putting something in my mouth every 5 hours is going to be very difficult. My work schedule is hectic. Most mornings I eat breakfast around 7am then often I don't get a lunch until 3 to 4 in the afternoon. The best plan I have for that is to try to sneak some nuts in when nobody is looking..

Had to jump in and say I hd given up on yogur too, until I found carbmaster at local Krogers It has 3 sugars and only 4 carbs and to my surprise it taste really good.

Ksquared
09-21-2012, 07:04 PM
Didn't have the greatest day. Forgot to take my metforim this morning. was starving by noon but had no where go go. got some beef ejerky and a drink, then got all excited my new modem was here so I spent the last hour and a half hooking it up and forgot I was hungry! So I ate an hour and a half late. :(

auntnelly
09-21-2012, 07:35 PM
It is OK! Hit restart and keep going! 1 1/2 hours late isn't that bad, you will get the hang of it soon enough ! I thought you were going to say you ate a batch of cookies or pint of ice cream :) You did great!:cp:

Dee74
09-21-2012, 10:08 PM
Had to jump in and say I hd given up on yogur too, until I found carbmaster at local Krogers It has 3 sugars and only 4 carbs and to my surprise it taste really good.

I hate that we don't have Kroger in FL, so I use Chobani greek plain and add flavors and sweetner for 1/2 cup. It will come hang in there.

Ksquared
09-21-2012, 10:46 PM
I will hit restart tomorrow. tonight I am givin my metformin a whirl.

I am a bad bad girl. -sigh- having some long john silvers. We are seeing how well the MEtformin works. It's supposed to do the same thing, block the liver and pancreas from making insulin. let's see how it works Cause one day won't kill me and I got no one to blame but myself so it's all good. Head back in the game tomorrow. :)

Ksquared
09-21-2012, 10:56 PM
I am being a naughty girl, but I figure..
1) Gotta see how my metformin works
2) Hitting restart tomorrow.

I am having a small sized portion of Long John Silvers.

It's all fine though. Gonna keep plugging along.

auntnelly
09-21-2012, 11:16 PM
I do not doubt that your metformin will work fine.
Just a note to consider: That is is masking the issue, but if you do this diet, it is suppose to Change you body metabolism, which is much better than using a drug to fix an underlying issue but the drug not change the issue, like the diet could.

I hope you will be able to see changes soon from the diet and be able to give up the metformin completely at some point.

BTW, I love Long John's ... don't blame you for that. She does say 1 or 2 off days a week won't derail the whole thing, so be encouraged, tomorrow is another day, you can do it!

Ksquared
09-22-2012, 11:48 AM
Oh, well then I feel so much better about that then. :)

My Doc has me on the Metformin for 3 months and we will take another blood panel and see how it went. I am sure being on this diet through out will show some results for certain.

Although, I have to say that LJS was not a good idea in retrospec. My tummy lead a revolt against the offending food. Needless to say it was not pretty nor did it feel any prettier.

auntnelly
09-22-2012, 06:46 PM
I know what you mean. I have taken very few "off plan" foods, but have done a few desserts as our family has lots of birthdays in a row while I have been on Step 1. The off plan times I took like a tablespoon of ice cream and cake, LITERALLY, and I didn't notice much except a bit tired. I decided to have a whole helping one time and after eating that ice cream cake I felt awful, really bad, so when that happens, it reduced the desire to repeat. :)

Dee74
09-22-2012, 10:32 PM
Hope everyone is having a great OP day !!

I am wearing work pants I haven't been comfortable in for a few months :D , that alone feels good.

You go girl! Good for you.

jab91864
09-23-2012, 04:12 PM
I made the soy pasta recipe but instead of rolling out and slicing up to dry, I dropped little bits into a pot of boullion. It was ok, not bad tasting and while the texture was different than dumplings it made me feel like I was eating bread in some way...lol.

Spent the day out of town yesterday , thankfully I took some walnuts with me. When we finally got around to stopping some place for dinner we went to Bd's Mongolian Grill. The best part was I did very good and didn't have to spend forever reading the menu trying to decipher if this is safe or not. I just grabbed my bowl and away I went. Managed a very tasty stir fry with acceptable foods.

Hey bettyboop, thanks for the tip. I have been unable to find that yogurt in my area but sooner or later it will get to us.

I haven't had Long John Silvers in years, it would be hard to resist though.

Hope everyone is having a great OP day !!

auntnelly
09-24-2012, 11:14 AM
How is everyone? I had a busy week end, so jumping back in here, but don't have much time.

I did forget to say "congrats" on the looser work pants!! that is awesome!:bravo:

Yesterday I was going to a family reunion briefly just to talk to friends and our family ended up staying for the meal even though I didn't bring food, which is extreme since there are 7 of us here at home now. But I DID do OK, there was 1 piece of chicken left which I took and 1 piece of cheese LOL ! I ate that and drank water. I am surprised how little people comment on what I eat. No one said anything. I just ate my chicken and drank water and stayed away from the dessert table! which was easier than trying to get away from a lady who wouldn't stop talking who I had never met before! :blah: lol!!

I start Step 2 in a week. Not sure how that will be. Kind of nervous to eat all those carbs!

Ksquared
09-24-2012, 12:25 PM
This weekend was a bit of a bust.

It wasn't terrible, but I did have a mini oreo blizzard and a snickers ice cream bar on Saturday.

Yesterday we went to the renaissance fair I had a turkey leg, which was a good choice for certain. but then I had some fries and a Soda.

Then we went to a local Mexican restaurant for dinner and had 1 1/2 tostadas I only ate the tops off, not the corn tortilla part.

It wasn't overly bad. I didn't do any damage, a pound of water from all the salt.

Back on the track today. :)

auntnelly
09-24-2012, 12:54 PM
Rough week end for you, being away from home is hard. Good for you getting back on track today!

Has anyone tried the "Guilded Cinnamon Muffin" Recipe? I am doing it right now and it seems I either measured flour incorrectly or these are extremely stiff dough ... anyone know about that?

Ksquared
09-24-2012, 07:50 PM
BTW I found some Bryer Ice cream at Walmart last night.. 5 NET CARBS! WOOOHOO You bet I bought some!

auntnelly
09-24-2012, 08:54 PM
OK, ice cream is amazing! However I hate to be the one to tell you it isn't allowed on Step 1. I need to find it in the book. I don't have time right now.

On Step 2, it is but only if it has artificial sweeteners. I will have to find it in the book and post it here.

It is a bit confusing, but there are "low impact carbs" and "high impact carbs" and even though there is the right amount of carbs, if they are the "high impact" variety, they aren't allowed at all until Step 3 :( At least I think you can have SOME high impact for Step 3, I have not read Step 3 again, it will confuse me.

auntnelly
09-24-2012, 09:17 PM
This is actually from Step 2
Since it says "welcome back ice cream" gives a STRONG :no: impression that it was not allowed in Step 1.

Welcome back ice cream (this is in Step 2). Look for ice creams that have sucralose (splenda) rather than sugar as the primary sweetener. Even if the net carb appears the same in sugar sweetened ice creams, the type of carbs is very different from that in splenda sweetened products. Sugar sweetened desserts digest quickly with a high impact that spikes blood glucose.

Ksquared
09-24-2012, 09:18 PM
it's sugar Free Ice Cream with only 5 net carbs!

At any rate, my Hubby can have it.

Just got done with 30 minutes of Kickboxing. Fun Stuff!

Dee74
09-24-2012, 09:28 PM
BTW I found some Bryer Ice cream at Walmart last night.. 5 NET CARBS! WOOOHOO You bet I bought some!

Yeah, I too hate to be the bearer of bad news. We used to live on Carbsmart bars and ice cream, Diane Told me they are not allowed on step 1 and maybe 2 depending on what is in it.
With her program it is 8 weeks of rest for the pancreas/liver.
I have never done this program, I have always just low carbed, counted all carbs and ate within my range. So for me working this program I had to get rid of the kisses, ice cream etc in order to stay on plan. I am even dumping the nuts As after some loss I seem to be gaining weight and now my numbers are staying the same.
I too am trying very hard to stay with it for the 8 weeks.
I need to reread the book again I must be doing something not right to be gaining. Good luck trying to get it figured out.

auntnelly
09-24-2012, 09:41 PM
I also have had trouble over eating nuts and cheese, both have lots of fat. She does say in the book, that eating too large serving sizes or too much fat, will stall the weight loss.

But really, I DID see a weight gain for a week to 10 days in the middle of Step 1, after that I started to loose again. Remember she says we should average our weight by week and be careful not to get crazy when we gain and don't loose steadily.

She says people with Metb. B loose differently.

Ksquared
09-24-2012, 11:59 PM
I haven't eaten any.. :( I will just stick with my Jello.

Dee74
09-25-2012, 10:45 AM
I also have had trouble over eating nuts and cheese, both have lots of fat. She does say in the book, that eating too large serving sizes or too much fat, will stall the weight loss.

But really, I DID see a weight gain for a week to 10 days in the middle of Step 1, after that I started to loose again. Remember she says we should average our weight by week and be careful not to get crazy when we gain and don't loose steadily.

She says people with Metb. B loose differently.

I only weigh once a week and always have to keep from being depressed! i am more concerned with my numbers rising that the weight although it would be nice to drop this 30lbs this year. I looked at what I am eating and am on plan so don't get it. Will keep on maybe a temporary fluctuation. Last night after dinner 2 hr I was 99, not bad and this mornign back to 117 but no overnight snack. Have been back op for about a week I think, I forgot to write down the date :(

Ksquared
09-25-2012, 01:35 PM
I have 2 pounds gained, but I did overdo the carbs. It's not the calories that put on pounds for me, it is the carbs. They just stick like glue on me. Gonna keep on trucking though, it happens. 2 pounds isn't really anything, but I was hoping to see that 179! (The lowest weight I have been that I can remember.. Saw it briefly in may)

Dee74
09-25-2012, 02:12 PM
I have 2 pounds gained, but I did overdo the carbs. It's not the calories that put on pounds for me, it is the carbs. They just stick like glue on me. Gonna keep on trucking though, it happens. 2 pounds isn't really anything, but I was hoping to see that 179! (The lowest weight I have been that I can remember.. Saw it briefly in may)

Ha ha can relate, so want to break into the 160's getting really tired of 171-178! Ah we'll get there slow but steady!

auntnelly
09-25-2012, 02:37 PM
Actually if you are a Met B person, it is not the carbs that get you to gain, but your body's messed up REACTION to the carbs you eat that causes your body to release too much insulin which in turn causes a response which turns it into fat.

IT all makes good sense to me after reading the book.

jab91864
09-26-2012, 08:24 AM
Well I weighed myself even though I said I wasn't going to because I am questioning if I can do this or not. I knew my clothes were fitting better and felt if I weighed in it might give me some encouragement. Yes the scale is moving down but I don't really feel as encouraged as I had hoped.

I'm not craving foods, but I will be honest I miss certain things and my mind starts to think there is no way you can never have this again. Then I try to remind myself that this is only 8 wks , once I hit the next phase I can filter in more carbs, maybe that will help.

Yesterday was a bad day. I was so busy at work I forgot to eat my nuts in my pocket on time. I didn't get as much water in as I normally do because I have to stop to refill my bottle and didn't get around to it a third time. Then by the time I came home and tried to make dinner, absolutely NOTHING was appealing and I felt really pressured looking at the clock thinking I HAVE to eat something before the 5-hour mark. By the time I went to bed I was bitter and angry.

I don't chart on Fitday like I have in the past because I know seeing the "pie" chart and the fat content will mess with my head. I am very bored with the foods on this plan.

I eat too many nuts, and am eating more sf Jello than I have ever done before...lol

auntnelly
09-26-2012, 11:57 AM
Jab--I understand how you feel ! What kind of recipes do you need? I have not posted many here.
I got to the place I was unhappy with the foods, and the weight is going but very very slowly. I have done alot of looking for recipes and I am sure there are some low carbs ones on this forum some place, I preferred to just find the ones for the MM diet since I know the carb count exactly.

But also I realize that even if I am not loosing alot of weight I AM loosing inches, and the fat won't weigh much, so that is why it is slow. I will be at the end of my 8 weeks this week end, and I will measure again, and I hope there are some more inches lost.

One thing someone told me once that just stuck with me was "It came on slowly, it will go off slowly" and for the most part this is true although I some times feel it some on faster than it goes off. :)

Dee74
09-26-2012, 11:56 PM
Jab, a couple ideas if you can for quick things, protein shake mix you like and Capellas flavor drops to make them different and cocoa powder for your chocolate jones. You will also need the flavors for ricotta deserts. I like the Syntrax nectars as the are no carb and no after taste and not heavily flavored or sweetened so make good alone or with add ins.
These are great no cook, min prep keep you on plan and cover the sweet tooth. All of these you can get at netrition, their prices are the best on drops and shipping. Those 2 things get me through breakfast and night time snacks. Don't worry about the fat mine runs 45-55% of total cals and I still lose weight and my numbers are better. i found International Delight sugar free flavored coffees, kind of like hot chocolate, they are a counter but can have 2 cups. Just a few quick ideas. What are you getting bored with, all meals, B,L or dinner?

Dee74
09-27-2012, 12:02 AM
Aunt Nelly congrats on closing in on the 8 weeks! Hope you lose a ton of inches!
Got in a bind today and have to have a couple off plan foods small portions, but got right back on when I got home. I had the Quest bar the berry bliss one with me ate it but was stuck out for over 7 hours and was hungry. the bar was pretty darn good, I am liking those and I am not a bar person but these are pretty good, have not had a bad one yet.

Ksquared
09-27-2012, 03:05 AM
A crappy weekend turned into a crappy week. BLECH.

Hubby has been home late every night so I wait for him to make dinner and he's been bringing dinner home. Of course it's fast food because it is late by the time he gets home.

BLAH.

jab91864
09-27-2012, 09:08 AM
I've got recipes, things I haven't tried yet.

I do see that a lot of ppl seem to push dessert or sweet replacement recipes and that isn't my biggest desire.
Basically I'm bored with it all. I'm tired of nuts, peanut butter, tuna, eggs, and salad, and I'm already sick of cauliflower. I'm only 3 wks into it so it's going to be a long 5 wks left if I don't figure it out better.

I think if I had more options as far as side dishes it would be easier. Two of my main staples in life are brown rice and yogurt, and I haven't found a low carb yogurt here in the boonies. Being that it is fall a lot of things I like are not allowed : roasted pumpkin, winter squash, apples.

It's just a speedbump I will get over it. I need to bump up my creativity in the kitchen. I had a veggie soup yesterday I made. Normally I would consider it to have been very good, but because it wasn't what I wanted to eat I didn't like it. I ate because I HAD to or I would be past time.

Kandi, good luck facing the fast food coming into the house. I normally don't stop at fast food places but if it's in front of me I want it...lol.

auntnelly
09-27-2012, 09:10 AM
Oh dear.... I understand it has been a hard week for me too. I just stand and stare at the fridge. We are short on funds right now, so I can't buy anything. I may have to wait to start Step 2 since she says you can't start and not keep on going, once you restart the carbs you HAVE to keep them consistent or you will gain back which I want to avoid....so as this week ends, I will probably continue Step 1 longer until there are funds to purchase what I need :(

auntnelly
09-27-2012, 10:18 AM
Jab, I can understand what you mean. I am missing some of my favorite foods and really bored with that I can have right now.

When you said you liked rice, I thought of this very easy recipe. And it really doesn't have a strong cauliflower taste at all. I added cheese and chicken for a yummy change of pace.

Cauli-Rice
Step 1, 2 & 3 neutral
Use this to make other dishes, like pizza crust and cheese sticks.

1 head fresh Cauliflower

Remove the leaves and hard center core of the cauliflower. Cut into florets. Wash and then allow the cauliflower to dry completely. (You want the cauliflower completely dry and you will NOT be adding any water when cooking, this helps to cut down on the boiled cauliflower taste and smell.) Once dry, fill the bowl of a food processor about half full and using the chopping blade and the pulse action, process the cauliflower until it looks like the size of grains of rice. Add the processed cauliflower to a microwave safe bowl and repeat with the remaining cauliflower. Once all the Cauliflower has been processed and added to the microwave safe bowl, cover the bowl tightly wplastic wrap or a lid. Microwave on high for 7 minutes. Remove from the microwave and fluff up the Cauli-Rice with a fork and if desired add a pat of butter, salt & pepper.

auntnelly
09-27-2012, 10:22 AM
I see we can have pumpkin seeds, but that doesn't help much with not being allowed actual pumpkin.... we can have some squash, maybe they aren't the kind you want.

Dee74
09-27-2012, 07:18 PM
Jab, what about spaghetti squash, I punch holes in it micro the whole thing 5-6 min, cut in half scoop out seeds and string, and keep it in fridge to sauteed with onions, put pesto sauce on, or LC spag sauce. I make a lasagna out of it too. Or just add butter and season. fry up until crispy and have with eggs.
Plain Chabani yogurt is 4.5 carbs per 1/2 cup, if you have flavorings you can have many flavors.
Cabbage, for cole slaw, sauteed, add tomotoes and onions for a change. roasted and cauliflower is very good roasted as well, changes the flavor.
Snap peas are neutral, just micro lightly, I have them at meals and also just use for dips for munchies.
Hopefully more ideas later.

Aunt nelly as long as you add back carbs small amounts at a time until you stop losing you will be fine.

jab91864
09-28-2012, 08:36 AM
auntnelly ~ I do understand what you mean about the cost. Feeding a family then buying special items for a "diet" can be difficult. Overall I find eating healthy to be much more costly at the checkout. I can see waiting if you don't have the right foods it will only stress you.

Thank you for all the suggestions. I have 2 more heads of cauliflower that will need to be picked from the garden this weekend. So I know that will be in my food plan ...lol. I have one more spaghetti squash as well. The winter squash family is my preference but they are not allowed... acorn, butternut, pumpkin. Thankfully my garden was attacked by squash borers this year so unlike last year I don't have 50 acorn squash staring at me saying what are you going to make now...lol.

I will check the grocery for Chobani. I will compare to Fage full fat as I believe that is on the list of acceptable. This is from the MM website...
■Dannon Light and Fit Reduced Sugar “Diabetic Friendly” yogurt (3 grams)
■½ cup plain FAGE Greek Yogurt (5 grams)
■½ cup plain Chobani Greek Yogurt (5 grams)

The only flavorings I have now are caramel and vanilla, anything else I will have to order online. But I use to buy Stoneyfield plain in the big tubs all the time so I don't expect there to be an issue.

Ksquared
09-28-2012, 12:33 PM
New Low Carb Yogurt! Dannon Light'n Fit Carb Control
Carb Freedom. by Blue bunny

I am doing a little bit better. I did a Tabata work out last night and whipped my own butt! It did the trick and I got rid of one gained pound!

The problem area I have is dinner. I will be in a perfect place and then I have dinner! I just need to not eat dinner and have something small.

Also I have found that out of all the working out I have done and all the equipment and classes I have done.. It's jogging that does the trick for me. A month of Zumba did nothing.. working out at the gym did nothing. An hour everyday and not an ounce, i gained weight. As soon as I went back to jogging BAM weight started peeling off. (Of course the MET B is an added factor)

Does anyone else have a work out that just does it for you?

auntnelly
09-28-2012, 04:17 PM
Aunt nelly as long as you add back carbs small amounts at a time until you stop losing you will be fine.

well, the MM diet has a very specific plan for Step 2. It is 11-20 grams of carbs at every meal and before bed...and in a snack if it will be longer than 5 hours between meals

So that will be a large increase that makes me crazy to think about. For example the 5x5 carb tortillas I can have now, I could actually eat 3 for a meal because I need that many carbs :eek: I suppose she knows what she's talking about...but wow, that is an adjustment.

I have been re-thinking the foods I can have and I should be able to do it. Like 1/2 a sweet potato is not that expensive, as beans and some other low cost items I could eat, I will have to be creative which makes it more difficult.

Plus I HAVE to have something, not like now where if I don't I can skip it, next Step, you eat carbs and you keep eating them or you gain weight

Exercise? Well, I think it would have helped had I done some, but I haven't. I had planned to, but can't get into a schedule like I wanted, always something else to do.

What I'm finding is that when I did Zumba for months and months I would think I lost some weight but it was always just a fluctuation.
This diet has been the only thing that has worked, eating less and exercising did NOT work. I had to factor in the Met B problem.

I don't sit all day, I do do paper route every week day which is in and out of the car for an hour, but that doesn't count as "Extra 30 mins" beyond what I had already been doing.

She makes a strong argument that the weight gain and loss are HORMONAL, so what works for a normal Met A person, won't work for you, although, she does say we need to exercise to burn the fats we eat so our body can get on to the fat after that.

I have only lost about 6 lbs in the 8 weeks. I can't say it would have been more or less had I done something differently, but I DO know I have lost inches. 3 inches at my bra line, and I"ll measure for real tomorrow or Sunday so I will know what the rest will be then.

Dee74
09-29-2012, 02:06 PM
I agree she has pretty specific steps and I hope they work for you as they have for her. I guess all I was saying is that if her program becomes hard or too expensive to follow, to just add back low GI carbs slowly until you start gaining and then you will know how many carbs your body can handle and maintain good BS control.

As much as I like her program she is not the only game in town on controlling diabetes and insulin resistance, she just came up with a new name to call it, met b. And structures the diet a little differently from other docs. We are part of a very big experiment in new science and thought about how to handle these diseases and how diet plays a part. Even Dr. Eades, Atkins and Dr. Bernstein have revised programs as time has gone along. All I am saying is don't' let it stress you to the max and follow your gut, no one knows your body as you do and it will tell you what you can handle if you listen and live by your meter.

auntnelly
09-29-2012, 04:41 PM
I know this is not the only diet out there, but I have tried lowering calories and increasing exercise and that didn't work, I tried SB and it worked the first time but as soon as I added back carbs, I gained it back, and I had the huge babies with "normal" blood sugar levels with no explanation. I feel Met B is the explanation I have been searching for for many years.

I have it, and I did respond to it. At the end of Step 1 (8 weeks), this is what I have been able to accomplish:
Weight down 6 lbs ( I know that isn't much, but considering I haven't been able to loose even a pound for at least a year, this is HUGE!
Inches Lost
Chest 2.5 inches
bra line 2 inches
waistline 2 inches
Hips 2 inches
maybe upper arms 1/2 an inch

This is all exciting so I feel the rest of the diet will be successful, just having a hard time getting my mind around how it will work.

Popcorn is on the list and I have an air-popper and so it is very cheap, so I can use that often if need be.

Dee74
09-29-2012, 05:32 PM
Don't get me wrong and BTW your results are fantastic! I sure do hope this works, as you say every time we add back carbs the pounds come back. I sure hope this plan does work as she say's I want a life back too. Preferably skinnier! :)

auntnelly
09-30-2012, 07:36 PM
Yes, this is why Step 2 is important to follow as she recommends, because the carbs are reintroduced in very specific manor.

Been looking at the list of carbs, and it does open up a whole new world! But in comparison to eating whatever I want, still very limited!! LOL !

jab91864
10-01-2012, 08:23 AM
Auntnelly ~ glad you had good results with step 1. I'm sure once you get into it step 2 will be easy enough. I've only just peeked at it and it is mind boggling. I will have to "study" up on it when my time comes.

Working out.... I hate it. I always have. I have health issues that have changed my life considerably the last few years. I have to pace myself especially when using my arms in anything that requires a up or out motion. Lifting is hard to accomplish any longer. To make matters worse I took a fall about 3 months ago which left me very bruised. While the bruises have faded whatever I did to my hip , still has me in pain and gimping around. It is very slow getting better, but it just needs more time. I assume I tore something in the fall. It was a stretched out splits, collapse fall off a dock into the water and I hit both the dock and the boat going down. Can we say clutz...lol.

Anyway until my pain level decreases I'm not inspired to do much of anything. I stand/walk at my job all day. I am on my feet and the only time I sit down is at my lunch break. By the time I get home, change clothes, take care of the pets,do chores, make dinner then do dishes I'm done. Thankfully all my children are grown, because I no longer have the energy for little people. Once I sit down in the evening ( I have usually been awake 14+ hours and on the go all day by that point) I just start to stiffen up to the point I look like I am 90 when I get up in the evening to shuffle off to bed. Typically I fall asleep reading within an hour of sitting down in the evening.

I worked in the garden most of Saturday morning. Trying to clean up and get ready for fall, but it has a long way to go. Did all the housework & catch-up I leave for a day off the rest of Saturday. Sunday I was very sore from the day before so I putzed around the house. I felt like I cooked all day long because people were in and out all day. I stayed on plan although on my days off I find it more difficult to meet the five hour time frame. I get busy and lose track of time, but I am trying.

Hope everyone has a great day OP!!

auntnelly
10-01-2012, 07:36 PM
That has to be hard to be on your feet all day. Guess you are not living a sedentary life for sure.

I have read and reread the Step 2 section and I think I get it, even though I don't understand the WHY, I understand the plan.

I am starting today. It will be more carbs 11-20 grams at EVERY meal and before bed without fail....if meals are more than 5 hours apart, I get a snack of 11-20 grams of carbs as well..........plus 2 FREE 5x5 carbs when ever I want.

sounds like alot, but it is still about 1 serving a meal, which isn't alot, but it does increase dramatically, the selection of carbs to choose from.

off to search for supper !

Ksquared
10-02-2012, 01:11 PM
So far I am maintaining 183. Haven't lost or gained. Not bad, but not super good either. I'd rather be losing, but at least I am not gaining. I haven't been working out though either. I need to get my butt in gear. Yesterday I spent all day tiling my wall in my kitchen. So there was alot of on the floor cutting tile and getting up and on the lader to check the tile, smearing tile paste on the wall, getting down, smearing tile paste on the tile, getting up.

Still having a problem with Dinner. I either can't eat dinner, or I need to eat dinner at Senior Citizen hours. it seems like if I eat after 5:30 - 6:00 it just hangs around.

Dee74
10-02-2012, 01:57 PM
Finally a FBS of 100!!!!!!! down 1/2 lb but clothes are looser so onward ho we go!
ksquared, tiling a wall is exercise baby count it!

Aunt Nelly did you start step 2? What do you think so far?
I have not even really read it, skimmed it but have several weeks to go.

auntnelly
10-02-2012, 04:51 PM
Kandie Apple :nono: You MUST eat right before bed, not a whole meal, but a small snack of sorts. That is part of the whole plan. The eating is making your liver not "feed" you all that glucose so that your insulin levels sky rocket going straight to fat. It has been the HARDEST for me too, to eat late in the day, it has been ingrained in my BRAIN but it is in the book, you will actually gain weight if you don't eat before bed, and every 5 hours....really !

I can't find the quote in the book and I need to get going.

As far as Step2 ? I started yesterday and I am enjoying the carbs I get to eat, but I feel tired again but I'm not sure if it is the carbs or the big exhausting week end we had. I am trying to do it "by the book" and so far it seems ok, but I'm still wondering what will happen since I am eating more but am still supposed to loose weight ??? I guess I'll give it some time and see what happens. :?:

Dee74
10-03-2012, 12:36 AM
I am trying to do it "by the book" and so far it seems ok, but I'm still wondering what will happen since I am eating more but am still supposed to lose weight ??? I guess I'll give it some time and see what happens.

Remember the days when we could not get our head are the thought of eating steak, bacon and butter and dumping the white food and still lose weight?

But hey it worked and we were healthier for it. I lost lots of weight, my hair and skin were better than ever, energy through the roof and I had real fingernails for the first time in my life. So if she can shake it up a bit and give me all that again and keep me from going full blown diabetes I'm all for it.

jab91864
10-03-2012, 08:44 AM
On my way to bed I bypass to the kitchen and either have a tablespoon of peanut butter or a cheese stick. The before bed snack is one of the "rules" same as something within an hour of being awake.

The last few days I've noticed I'm not hungry and really have to think about eating to make my 5 hour marks. Used some left over roasted cauliflower and peppers tossed in some left over pork loin and made a skillet hash last night. It was very good.

I read on MM this morning that on step 1 ~ 3 baby carrots = neutral. I have been avoiding them so far so it's now another option for me :dizzy:

I hope everyone has a great OP day!!! :)

auntnelly
10-03-2012, 11:15 AM
Dee, I FINALLY figured out what FBS meant LOL ! any how, GREAT that it is coming down.

struggling with another up swing of my weight, I know Im not supposed to weigh, so I'm letting it go for now. It started before Step2 so I can't blame the carbs.

I am trying to do as she says, in the book she says "trust the plan" ..... can't find a smilie with someone biting their nails !! LOL ! Gotta go eat an egg !!

Dee74
10-03-2012, 06:03 PM
Can relate, I am not losing either, but hoping I am getting a little smaller. FBS was 121 this morning????? I don't know, night snack no night snack. 16 weeks is a lot of "trust the plan" but many say hang in there it works, I sure hope so!

auntnelly
10-03-2012, 08:58 PM
dee, I suppose the FBS would vary wouldn't it? I don't know, but I expect there are lots of factors that would effect it, don't you think?

You are supposed to have a late night snack, what have you been doing for that?

She doesn't really talk about having protein with your snacks, but that would be a good idea.

Dee74
10-03-2012, 11:54 PM
dee, I suppose the FBS would vary wouldn't it? I don't know, but I expect there are lots of factors that would effect it, don't you think?

You are supposed to have a late night snack, what have you been doing for that?

She doesn't really talk about having protein with your snacks, but that would be a good idea.

They say the fasting is the last one to come down, guess so :( I have had peanuts, yogurt,lunch meat/cheese stick, no counter, a counter or nothing. Diabetes is so screwy.

Also if I do wake up I do have a snack. I have been under major stress since last fri so that has an effect as well. All I can do is keep testing, stay on plan and see what my labs say in Dec. :?:

auntnelly
10-04-2012, 05:39 PM
Yes, I believe it will take some time, but she said if you do it "by the book" you should see some improvements after the first 8 weeks.

I haven't got diabetes, trying to avoid it which is why I am doing this diet! I don't know much about it all, except she says it can help. I didn't read all the chapter about diabetes though.

Dee74
10-04-2012, 06:43 PM
I am what they call pre diabetes ( kind of like a little pregnant, I think) Actually it was my DH who was diagnosed and I bought a meter to test along with him and teach him what i know (nurse and long history in family) and lo and behold my numbers were up as well, Doc never mentioned it, figures.

So I too am trying not to become full blown diabetic. And found the book (DM) trying to find a good one for him to understand the disease. I learned a lot, things have come a long way since nursing school :D
It was an eye opener for me as well, and nothing to lose but creeping higher numbers and 30 pounds.

I too hope you never become, I would not have known if I had a not bought a cheap Walmart meter (Relion) to keep hubby on track and started testing myself.

It is worth doing everything you can to stop it in its tracks for sure. If you have a history of diabetes in your family I would get a DM copy if you can and read it, twice! MM skims overs it compared to how well she covers it all in the DM book. Good luck kiddo,what you don't know can hurt you!

auntnelly
10-04-2012, 11:00 PM
What exactly is the "DM" book? I have the Metabolism Miracle book and that is the only one I have heard of.

I was given a testing machine when I was pregnant and diagnosed with gestational diabetes. It was controlled with diet, but I was freaked out so they gave me a machine to just watch my numbers. I buy strips and try and take a fasting one every now and then. My Dr usually takes a fasting blood sugar with my other blood work, but this last time I had a new lady and she absolutely refused :( Want my old Dr back, he knew me and why I wanted certain tests done.

I am trying a different new dr so next year, I will try again to get a fasting blood sugar. But my highest from the Dr was a 91 and in some circles I guess that is too high.

Good luck with your issues ... that is good you found it early. I think with weight loss and other preventative things, you can reverse it before it is full blown diabetes.

Dee74
10-05-2012, 12:34 AM
It is her 3rd book Diabetes Miracle and is worth it's weight in gold, makes it easy to understand what your body is doing and why. Is geared to pre and type 2's. Covers meds, insulin testing whys and how etc. Plus the plan itself with better explanation I think.

No recipes in this book so I bought her cookbook and it is very good as well. You may be able to check it of the library for a first read, but if you think you are heading towards diabetes it is worth having as a good reference book.

I hope to make some of the recipes form the forum this weekend so I can have some different foods, getting lazy cooking and bored with the food.

jab91864
10-06-2012, 10:24 AM
It has been super hectic for me the last several days. I am on vacation. Originally we had booked a trip but decided because of cutbacks at work we would cancel the trip just in case. I was bummed but we made the decision months ago based on my work environment. I believe it was the right choice but it has been years since I have had a real trip and was looking forward to it.

Day 1 of my vacation was Thursday. Before I have done anything but have my green tea my middle child calls and has car issues. I go flying out the door then ended up at the garage spending $300 to get her back on the road. While I am sitting at the garage waiting my phone starts to ring, it's work calling me. Guess what they are in crisis and need me to come in. I am on FREAKING vacation. Like an idiot I rush home shower , change into work clothes and go in. I was not happy. And even less happy once I got there and saw I should NOT have had to have gone in. I informed them not to call me because I would not answer my phone the rest of my days off. They called three times yesterday (day 2) , I did not pick up.
Anyway Thursday was all messed up food wise because I seemed to be in crisis mode all day and didn't eat at the proper times etc...

Yesterday my food was off too so today I have to do better. I am not eating anything illegal I'm just not hitting my time frame correctly. I was on the road most of the day yesterday.

Today I am staying home and working around the house. Painting and hanging new shutters once it warms up a bit.

I finished the half mark of my plan so I weighed in this morning. I am down 14 lbs at the end of my 4 weeks. I didn't measure anything, lazy I guess.

I found the Dannon low carb yogurt yesterday, I was soooo excited. It was short dated so I didn't stock up like I would have liked. I got 8 (2 of the 4-packs). The store I found them at is over an hour away...lol.

Sorry I can't really join in on the blood work conversations. I haven't had health insurance in close to 4 years now so I basically just wing it and avoid the Dr.

Hope everyone has a GREAT OP day!!!

Dee74
10-06-2012, 10:39 AM
That's great Jab 14 lbs I have been lucky to lose a pound, but can tell inches are coming off, face is thinner and love handles feel smaller. Yeah what is it with jobs that don't honor your time off, ticks me off. I hope you have a better week and take some of that time just for you!

auntnelly
10-06-2012, 10:57 AM
Gee, silly they can't let you take a short vacation from work!!
CONGRATS on the 14 lbs !! that is amazing! Inches good as well.

I am at the end of my first week on Step 2. Today I am back up 2 lbs from last week. I know some of it was before step 2, but I can't help but feel defeated. I FEEL good, but this weight HAS to go !

Ksquared
10-06-2012, 01:09 PM
Not much going on here. I dropped one of the pounds I gained back. I have noticed something.

Thursday I did a Tabata run and I dropped that pound. Yesterday I cleaned my den all day long and had a nice small lunch of CHicken and veggies and didn't lose anything. I have noticed this pattern. If I don't do some type of Cardio I don't see the weight go down. I also have seen that anything besides Cardio (Running on the treadmill) doesn't bring off the weight.

My Body is weird I guess.

auntnelly
10-06-2012, 05:06 PM
I doubt it, we aren't supposed to micromanage our pound loss, I think that is where we fail, but it is SO HARD not to measure progress by pounds lost.

I have been thinking alot about things, and I know I FEEL better, less draggy, and all that, so I guess I have to be in it for the long haul.

I am thinking of paying to join Diane's forum. I really need some more information, but I really wish I didn't have to pay, because I know once I do, I will want to keep having it, and that is just more and more money :(

jab91864
10-06-2012, 06:02 PM
I'll be honest I am not overly impressed with the MM website.

The forums don't seem to flow very well. Yes I can search and find info I want but I can't see me staying a member. I have watched some of the videos she has done, but they sort of put me off. They are too giggly for my taste I think.

I also dislike that after being a paying member you need to pay for the lists. Yes the lists are cheap but still I think that should be a benefit of being a member. If you look at how many members there are and then multiply that by even the lowest membership fee she is raking in some serious bucks off the website alone. It puts me off a bit.

auntnelly
10-06-2012, 09:55 PM
True, very true....but she does have expenses that go with the MM website, and I know as a business owner myself, she might not be cashing in as much as it might seem at first. Everything, and I mean everything, costs something....including taking our money. Our credit card machine takes around 4% of every transaction....yep, too much!

I DID join though today, for 3 months. I need some more info to help me get through the holidays. I also have trouble with the forum style, but maybe I can get some help, if not, I won't renew. I'll be saving recipes as fast as I have time though :)

I have already gotten a little info, so hope to get more that will help me tackle Step 2!

Dee74
10-06-2012, 11:15 PM
Funny, we were just talking about this very thing on lc friends about her forum. I did join for 3 months have learned some of the finer points and picked up some new info and recipes but doubt I will remain after that.

The forum is not very busy, kind of a pain to navigate and agree the vids are not what I had hoped for but still some very good info in them. I think it is worth while in the beginning but long term, who knows.

jab91864
10-09-2012, 02:42 PM
Hope everyone is doing well.

Today is my last day off work. I got almost all of my big "to-do" list done. The items not done are because they are garden related and Mother Nature is of a different mind...lol. I'm sore from doing too much and plan to try to relax the rest of today.
The only good thing about going back to work is my eating schedule will be back on track. Being home really made it difficult to remember the 5-hour rule. I guess on the weekend I don't notice it so much.

I made the batch of chocolate cake. It was ok. The texture I was ok with but it lacked a chocolate flavor. In fact I have to say it had almost NO flavor of anything, which was disappointing for me. I had adapted to use almond milk (as others on the MM forum had done) instead of the special chocolate milk or atkin's shake listed on the recipe. :(

I have some almond meal coming in the mail sometime this week.

Anyway have a GREAT OP day!! :)

auntnelly
10-09-2012, 03:10 PM
I have been looking around the Miricle Ville site for the past few days and never got back over her after that. I certainly prefer here to there, right now :)

I am disappointed your cake didn't work out. I have not found almond flour and probably won't be buying any right now since I have so much soy flour around.

I did get an email directly from Diane on the MV site about my situation. I need to do Step 1 for 2 more weeks due to some things I had been doing wrong, mainly exercise...well NOT exercising!

I will be doing Step 1 for 2 more weeks and making sure I exercise my 30 mins a day. I guess the author of the book said that is 1/2 of the diet, so I have only been doing 1/2 of it. She also told me this after I complained I gained starting Step 2.
Quote:
As you know from the book (s), it is not recommended to weigh daily or even weekly. MM is not a weight loss program...it is a fat burning program. we are not counting calories, we are balancing hormones.
Guess I'd better run for now, I still havent' eaten lunch and am trying to get my brain around STep 1 again after switching to step 2 for a week......I'm not good at going back and forth.

But I wanted to check in to say I am still here and will be back again soon!

Dee74
10-10-2012, 05:31 PM
Hi guys, still here just been one H*ll of a week or two! 4 major life changing things have been going on and have beaten me down to a pulp, but I am hanging in there.

Trying to stay as close to op as I can and have dropped 1/2 pound, I weigh once a week. So not much from start for sure. I don't exercise like she says either but do what I can. I am really bored with food right now and don't feel like cooking.

Bummer about the choc cake I was looking forward to making that, other than no flavor what did you not like. Do you think more cocoa might have been called for? I can't remember the recipe right off, but I am not a big fan of flax, seems like it makes things feel slimy in my mouth so I always cut it and add more almond meal/flour.

If you have nuts and need to make flour, use your coffee grinder if you have one, or blender small amounts at a time, much cheaper than buying it ground if you can't afford or find.

Also i read that some one had made choc milk with almond milk first than added that to recipe and liked the result. Another made choc milk with heavy cream water and cocoa. We have the Hoods here but not spending 4 bucks for 1/4 to 1/2 cup.

I saw her post to you Nelly, guess I will be in step one forever :D
Well see you all here and mville.

jab91864
10-11-2012, 08:26 AM
Well I am determined to hang in the 8-weeks and then re-evaluate if I will stay on this plan or move to another. I do know some ppl choose to stay on phase 1 longer than the 8-weeks and I will consider that when I do my 8-week weigh in and measure.

In the past I've lost more on other plans at this stage of my diet investment. I can't say I really feel better than I have on other diets. I feel better gastro wise than I did before I buckled down and cut out the junk and started a plan but that is the norm for me. Traditionally I feel better when I eat healthier. The general consensus of ppl around me is I have a shorter fuse and am crankier on this plan than I have been with other plans in the past. So the whole happiness and light is not hitting me...lol. I doubt I am getting "unknown" carbs since I usually don't eat anything that isn't neutral or on the yes list.

I NEVER eat all my 5x5 alloted carbs a day. Honestly I don't want to track it, the 5 hour time thing is hard enough for me to track as my days are super hectic. If I eat the allowed 5 carbs I feel even more pressured about the 5 hour and what I am putting in my mouth the next time I eat so it's easier just to pick from the yes list and move on.

Perfect example yesterday. I ate breakfast at 7:30, I didn't get lunch at work until 4:15. Now I had almonds in my pocket and ate those in between breakfast and lunch. For lunch I took sf jello, a carb friendly yogurt and roasted edamame and sunflower seeds. Now I ended up working later than scheduled... I was scheduled until 5:45 but didn't get out until 7:15. By now I am extra drained and tired. I am fried from work physically and mentally. So when it comes to dinner my thought is make a turkey wrap and call it a day but wait you can't have a tortilla until after 9pm :p . So I ended up having left over cauliflower hash instead which I really didn't have a taste for.

I see on MM several ppl say they eat the cake frozen, maybe that helps them with texture. I was ok with texture which normally that bugs me more than anything else when I try something different. I bumped up the cocoa powder and used almond milk because I read others had done that in place of the Hoods or Atkins chocolate milk. It was just very very bland. I had two other ppl try it because I thought maybe it was just my imagination. :?: In the end I made the cream cheese frosting to put on it so as not to waste it. I mean I bought that flax meal special I can't waste it...and I can't feed the cake to my chickens because it has cocoa in it. It wasn't bad, it just wasnt' worth all the raves I saw it getting, atleast not for me.

Most of the recipes I find are for "treats" or sweet replacement items but that isn't my biggest issue. And yes like others I am VERY bored with food right now. I keep telling myself it will be a bit better after you get to phase 2 but I have started reading phase 2. I already know I will have a hard time adding in the carbs and time allotment.

Also another thing for me, I don't want to purchase specialty items for just myself it gets costly. Nuts are not cheap, special tortillas, peanut butter all cost double, including the yogurt that I have to drive an hour each way costs more too...lol. Add in the soy, almond and flax meal .

In general eating healthy costs more, but specialty items that only I am using seem like a waste for my budget. If I lived alone and only grocery shopped or cooked for myself it might be different. So knee deep into week 5 I have to say I'm really on the fence about this plan which sort of bums me out.

And I have rambled too long and have to get to work. :p

jab91864
10-11-2012, 08:28 AM
Dee I do hope things get better for you soon !!!!


I know the emotional stuff can take a horrible toll on a person and makes it that much harder to focus on other things in life.

auntnelly
10-11-2012, 11:14 AM
Jab-- I agree, I have not had very much weight loss. Only around 7 lbs over 8 weeks and some I gained back due to issues with the tortillas (I believe) that were incorrect and the not doing exercise, which I am told it is 1/2 the diet.... be that as it may, I lost inches inches inches. So don't Give up!

Diane (the MM author) told me the diet is not about weight loss but FAT loss (true in my case) since fat doesn't weigh as much as muscle, if you follow the plan, you won't loose alot of weight but inches...

ALSO do not despair ! Diane (can you tell i have been looking at MV site alot? ) wrote this and so you counting 5 hours is no longer necessary in Step 1. I confirmed it by finding a post (and getting a direct email from her)

Permalink Reply by Diane Kress on March 1, 2012 at 5:22pm

Hi Christine,
The basis of the program is the same. After its release in 2009, when the book went world-wide and I was "in touch with the readers" who were following the plan without my doing the teaching, I realized that some of the terminology and presentation could use some tweaking. So[Step 1]....5x5 became 5 gram Counters. And instead of living by a clock...the method became..."I have the option to have a 5 gram Counter at my breakfast, lunch, dinner, bedtime, middle of the night." If you don't use them, you lose them...no saving or stacking.
5 grams foods are the right portion size of a blatant carb that lands you at 5 grams or less. So....1/3 serving of fruit, 1 cup popcorn, 5 wheat thins, etc.
On step 2 there was confusion about the part in Step 2 about having the option to use 2 5x5's/day in addition to 11-20 gram carb dams. It now "reads"....if your meals are less than 5 hours apart and you are on Step 2, you have the option of using a five gram counter between the meals (in place of or in addition to neutral snacks) between breakfast and lunch or lunch and dinner. Most people don't do this. Also...if you are having a 5 gram carb at a meal ....it is not over and above your 11-20 gram carb dam...it is part of the 11-20 gram carb dam.


STEP 2 You do NOT have to wait the 5 hours between carbs in step 2, you eat your carbs at a meal. If the meals are more than 5 hours apart, you HAVE to eat 11-20 grams of carbs between the meals

No wonder you are crabby! I would be too if I had to eat what you did yesterday and not feel like I was loosing.

Don't give up! I understand about buying specialty items, I feel the same way and I cook 2 meals, one for me and one for the family (6 at home now) we have a small small budget so I have been having to get bored and be creative.

Later, I will post some of what I have been eating.

What kind of recipes are you wanting? I will help you search for some.
I personally like the chocolate brownie muffins in the book. I found a thread on MV that says they are "neutral" now...as a treat, not eating lots of them. I had a hard time believing some of the updates, but Diane is right there quoting, so how can I argue? :dizzy:
Here:
Soy is neutral. Soy flour, tofu, unsweetened soy milk, shiratake noodles = neutral.

Soy flour and almond flour are not interchangeable. If a recipe calls for soy flour, I'd suggest you stick to it.

Count the brownie muffins as neutral. As always, these are not to be eaten like broccoli...they are a dessert/treat. (About chocolate brownie muffins)

auntnelly
10-11-2012, 01:47 PM
If you do eat 5 gram counters at meals, you can not have them as snacks. Diane emailed me this today

5 gram counter carbs can be inserted by the clock at 5 hour intervals OR

at breakfast, lunch, dinner, bedtime (not at between meal snacks)

auntnelly
10-11-2012, 02:01 PM
Did someone on this thread have a good web site for purchasing no carb jelly or syrup? I can't find it and it has become a loooong thread

Dee74
10-11-2012, 07:13 PM
Did someone on this thread have a good web site for purchasing no carb jelly or syrup? I can't find it and it has become a loooong thread

Nelly, if I am going to have jelly I get the Polander all fruit with fiber it is a counter,( i think) but taste good and I don't use much and found in the groc store. Wamart carries them.

What kind of syrups are you looking for? For pancakes, to flavor shakes/ coffee, ricotta deserts? I use the DaVincis or Torani and both can be found at netrition dot com. But they are very thin, not syrup style.

Walden farms makes a lot of no cal/no carb stuff, but I have yet to have one I would eat. I have not tried the maple syrup, and it may be found in a groc in the diabetic foods aisle. Or at the site above.

On my last order i got the Guy's BBQ sauce both flavors and the regular was WOW, very good. I had so been missing grilled BBQ ribs and chicken this fills the bill. The other night I made cole slaw and just subbed sweetner, ribs and spag squash it was great!
The shipping there is $4.95 total no matter the weight.

Just a reminder this step 1 is not forever and we will return to eating more normal foods, so not sure I would load up on things you would not use normally, except maybe baking stuff, almond flour, soy if you like it etc.

jab, hang in there! I just dropped a whole half pound but I just made it into my next size down shorts and my face is thinner, have not yet re measured but we will get there.
I sat down with the cookbook today and got reinspired. Going to make that Taco pie that was on the mv site tomorrow with chips, salsa and guac, got to get my mexican fix. Been looking through for things I can bake/make up and then just be able to re heat.
What sounds good to ya that might help you over the hump?

Dee74
10-11-2012, 07:16 PM
Jab, are you near a Sams club or costco? That makes it a lot less expensive.

auntnelly
10-11-2012, 07:20 PM
What is this I hear about taco pie, chips, salsa and guac? OK, I need details!! :D

Dee74
10-11-2012, 09:34 PM
Here ya go, I grabbed the comments too. I was thinkg making the pie, doing a tortilla baked as chips and serve the pie with gauc,salsa and sour cream.

Taco Pie = Neutral
This is a recipe that a friend shared with me - yummy!

1 lb. lean ground beef
1 small onion, chopped
1 c. heavy cream or ½ heavy cream +1/2 cup half and half
3 eggs, beaten or egg substitute
3 c. shredded cheddar cheese or mexican blend cheese
1 T. cumin
1 T. chili powder
1 t. red pepper flakes
Salt & Pepper
(Or use taco seasoning to taste)
Preheat oven to 350. Spray Pam in 9 x 13 glass dish.

Brown ground beef, drain well. Add onions and cook for additional 3 minutes, stirring constantly.
Remove pan from heat. Add cream, eggs, 2 c. cheddar cheese, spices, salt & pepper. (I used a little more cumin & chili powder 'cause we like it spicy!).

Pour mixture into greased dish. Bake 25 minutes or until cheese looks golden brown. Add remaining cup of cheese to top and return to oven for couple minutes to melt.

** This was a big hit with my family. Reminds me of the old Bisquick Impossible pie idea.
Other ideas:
Enjoy Lotus! I was thinking that I could change it up by using Italian spices rather than Mexican, using low fat mozzarella instead of cheddar and maybe putting just a bit of crushed tomatoes on top :)
I made this last night and the entire family said to do it again. :) I served each plate and then added romaine lettuce, garden fresh tomatoes, jalepeno slices from the jar and red onion to the top to give the pie a crunchy texture as well. I'm big on food texture. (My family members also did salsa and light sour cream.) I also think it'd be good to have black olives on it with the other veggies mentioned above. It was a great recipe!

Reply by Diane Kress on August 24, 2012 at 3:33pm
This looks pretty high in fat. I would use light sour cream (goes well with tacos!), remove a yolk, and use low fat cheddar to cut the fat WAY down. Also, how about some taco seasoning mix?
Use an egg substitute and cut 40 gm of fat.
Hi Kim,
I made your Taco pie for dinner and it was delicious. I changed the recipe a little and used liquid eggs, another brand similar to Egg Beaters and made the receipe with only 1/2 cup of cream and the rest with 1/2 & 1/2. I used lite Mexican shredded cheese from Trader Joe. Thanks for the recipe and the idea.
Kim,
Thanks so much for sharing this recipe. I made it for dinner tonight and it was a big hit....the whole family loved it. We put it on a bed of lettuce and topped it with tomatoes, cheese and sour cream....very yummy. I will make this again.

Dee74
10-11-2012, 09:40 PM
And then fajitas came to mind, ok ideas are coming! You got so excited you forgot to tell me what kind of syrup you were looking for.

Oh the Polander rasp jam is 2 net carbs for a tbsp, so a tsp to tsp and 1/2 would be neutral :D
Of course you could use it as counter and micro it to make it syrup and add a little water to thin a tad.

jab91864
10-12-2012, 08:48 AM
I have lost pounds and I have lost inches... lol, I feel thinner anyway. For me it's the whole picture results, budget, long term. The five hour thing hangs me up a lot and I over think it all.

A new yoga class started near me but I don't get out of work on time. Last time I had a gym membership I went 4-5 days a week and worked my butt off but in those days I could still use my arms effectively. And I never lost an ounce while I had that membership...lol.

It's not so much recipes I want as ideas. I seem to be eating the same veggies over and over. Spaghetti squash, cauliflower, broccoli seem to be my mainstays and I am bored.

Anywhoo running late this morning, off to work , will try to catch up later on the posts. Have a great OP day!! :carrot:

auntnelly
10-12-2012, 11:42 AM
Jab, I know it was a long post I did up above, but really, you can choose to have your 5 carbs every 5 hours OR at meals and bed time. If it is a problem, this update or refinement is something you can take advantage of.

I need to look closely at the Taco recipe THANKS! for posting that. I never have cream on hand, so I'll have to see what I can do.

Right now I have to shower and the kids are home from school today, off I go to be productive so they don't think I spend all my time on the computer... maybe I do ???

Dee74
10-12-2012, 11:45 AM
Brussel sprouts steamed or sauteed with onions butter, asparagus if you can find it cheap, roasted, grilled or steamed, green beans sauteed with almonds, cabbage steamed or fried and with onions or cole slaw. Zuchs or summer squash, marinated in a little balsamic and grilled the best! Fried up with butter and onions. Well there are a few ideas for ya kiddo hope that helps.

Dee74
10-12-2012, 03:07 PM
Jab, just remember you don't HAVE to eat 5 carbs every 5 hour, just snack on something neutral or carbs in that time frame. Also you may have it backwards if you eat 5 gm of carbs you cannot have another 5 carbs for the next 5 hours. I go days that I never eat my 5 carb option, just all neutral foods.
I sure have missed my share of 5 hour frames give or take 30-40 min and it has not affected my bs levels so far. I think we way over think her plan and she has said as much too. Ease up on yourself, life is hard enough. At least you ARE losing weight and inches and getting healthier too, not a bad gig.

Dee74
10-12-2012, 10:48 PM
Oops, sorry Jab I did not read your post correctly. You are doing fine, unlike me who caved and ordered pizza tonight and 2 hr post was 113 after a 20 min bike ride. Oh well being human comes back to haunt me :)

auntnelly
10-13-2012, 08:49 AM
Yes, we all have slip ups. It says in the book, more than ... what? 2 a week and you go back to step 1? or start over? I can't remember. Just hit the restart button and keep a goin'

Dee74
10-13-2012, 11:31 AM
Yes, we all have slip ups. It says in the book, more than ... what? 2 a week and you go back to step 1? or start over? I can't remember. Just hit the restart button and keep a goin'

I am just staying in step 1 for another 3-4 weeks just got hubby home and he needs a true start, much harder to eat right on the ship. And his numbers are higher so need to work hard to start getting them down. I admire those who can stay perfectly on track for a year or so, I know we won't, but we can continue to manage and try our best to get and keep our numbers low.

So Nelly did you make the 1 mm choc cake, I saw you and lotus talking about I was hoping for a review before I try to make it.

Dee74
10-13-2012, 11:45 PM
Well, I made the taco pie and the spag squash bread style pudding with banana extract tonight they were both winners and guests asked for recipes and had no idea desert was sugar free and entree low carb and they loved it.

In the taco pie I did reduce 1 cup of cheese, 1 egg yolk and used 1/2 cup heavy cream and 1/2 cup 1/2n1/2 and taco seasoning about 6 tsp. Served with chopped lettuce, gauc, salsa and sour cream and a carb balance tortilla. It was very good and the desert was very good, they are both keepers!
2 hr post desert was 93 yeah!

auntnelly
10-14-2012, 12:03 AM
Never heard of spag. squash bread?? Sounds interesting! That is awesome your guests didn't know the difference! and a good BS score as well!

I DID make the 1 mm chocolate cake with some major modifications. You can see it here:
http://miracle-ville.com/forum/topics/one-mmcarb-for-the-whole?id=6393460%3ATopic%3A15101&page=29#comments

It is pretty good... I don't know how to compare with the other way but it is about what I expected for a no sugar dessert. Not terribly sweet, but with the SF cream cheese frosting, it is pretty good! Mine has 3 carbs for the cake due to the regular milk I used....with the soy flour being considered neutral now, that is.

I am finding even so, that eating too much of these "neutral" foods with soy flour is making me feel tired again, so I wonder if she was right saying they needed to be a counted carb.....buy any how. The cake is worth a try if you ask me. Just don't eat it after something really sweet!

Dee74
10-14-2012, 12:23 PM
It is a pudding type desert and it a keeper for sure. It is a great base to add variety too I think as well. Here you all go. Erythitol can be found at amazon, netrition etc it is Truvia without the fillers so no carb and is only 70% as sweet as sugar. http://www6.netrition.com/sensato_erythritol.html But it has no after taste like splenda and no gastric issues.

I modified a few recipes for spaghetti squash pie and came up with this one. It is delicious and doesn't even taste like spaghetti squash. It's a good way to sneak in some veggies and enjoy dessert at the same time!

Oh My (Spaghetti Squash) Pie
3 cups cooked spaghetti squash
Whip:
4 large eggs
½ c heavy cream
1 c Splenda - I sub ½ cup splenda and ½ cup erythitol
1 tsp vanilla
2 tsp coconut flavoring ( I used 2 tsp banana)

Scrape the squash out of the skin; run a knife through it, cutting it into smaller pieces. Place into 9” deep dish pie pan, sprayed with cooking spray.
Pour the egg mix over the squash and just poke a fork into the mixture, moving it around a bit, to make sure some of the egg mix settles on the bottom of the pan.
Bake 350 degrees for approximately 45 minutes until a knife inserted into the center comes out clean.
Cool, refrigerate and enjoy with a little whipped cream. YUM!!
Can reduce splenda and is neutral is coconut flavor is carb free!
I cup splenda is too much alone several commented too stweet.

auntnelly
10-14-2012, 11:14 PM
I think i have only cooked a spaghetti squash one time in my LIFE and it was my daughter's idea....and I think she may have even cooked it now that I think of it. I dislike coconut tremendously, the banana sounds better. I noticed alot of the sweets on the MV forum have coconut in it....:(

Candy Apple, you still out there? I hope you come back soon! :hug:

Dee74
10-15-2012, 01:05 AM
And A squared too.

Ksquared
10-15-2012, 02:56 AM
I am alive :)

I am doing ok. I modified the MM to work with me and the PCOS. I was losing weight, but I was having an issue with eating anything after 6 in the evening, even if I ate SF jello for my snack or that 5 carb portion just before bed I would put on weight. I got all the way down to 180 and then shot right back up to 185 and had been lingering at 184.

It is also hard to cook for 4 people and all different things. The kids don't want fried cauliflower, they want hot dogs and pizza.

So I have modified this a little bit, basically I went to step 2 and I have been doing well. Been very busy.

jab91864
10-15-2012, 08:34 AM
Brussel sprouts steamed or sauteed with onions butter, asparagus if you can find it cheap, roasted, grilled or steamed, green beans sauteed with almonds, cabbage steamed or fried and with onions or cole slaw. Zuchs or summer squash, marinated in a little balsamic and grilled the best! Fried up with butter and onions. Well there are a few ideas for ya kiddo hope that helps.

LOL, I am waiting on brussel sprouts in the garden now, love them roasted. I wish my asparagus produced this time of year as I prefer fresh over canned or frozen. Had green beans last night and fried cabbage is on the menu for tonight...lol I'm glad I have no more summer squash left.

Thanks for the ideas

jab91864
10-15-2012, 08:36 AM
I am alive :)

I am doing ok. I modified the MM to work with me and the PCOS. I was losing weight, but I was having an issue with eating anything after 6 in the evening, even if I ate SF jello for my snack or that 5 carb portion just before bed I would put on weight. I got all the way down to 180 and then shot right back up to 185 and had been lingering at 184.

It is also hard to cook for 4 people and all different things. The kids don't want fried cauliflower, they want hot dogs and pizza.

So I have modified this a little bit, basically I went to step 2 and I have been doing well. Been very busy.

Cooking different meals makes me bitter. I know that is a big part of my problem right now.

jab91864
10-15-2012, 08:47 AM
Oops, sorry Jab I did not read your post correctly. You are doing fine, unlike me who caved and ordered pizza tonight and 2 hr post was 113 after a 20 min bike ride. Oh well being human comes back to haunt me :)

I wanted pizza so bad over the weekend...lol. Pizza is my go to food. Fri was really stressful for me family wise and I found I really wanted to eat. I stayed on plan but it was hard.

I was on the road most of Saturday and didn't get enough water. My 5 hour food window was off as I didn't take a snack with me because I thought we would be back sooner. I did order a salad for dinner when we stopped so I stayed in my food group.

Sunday , again I got caught up in activity, did not hit my time window for eating . I had thought to make a legal pizza but didn't have time. Maybe some time this week.

******
The pudding sounds interesting. I like spaghetti squash cuz I can pop that bugger in the microwave and cook it whole which makes it less steps ...lol. After work I am not into cooking a proper meal.

I made the LOW CARB ALMOND COOKIES - Neutral and they were good.

LOW CARB ALMOND COOKIES - Makes 16 to 18 Cookies (serving size 3 cookies)
2 cups of almond meal
1/2 cup of Splenda
1/2 cup of butter, softened
1/2 tsp. of salt (if using salted butter, you can omit the salt)
1 tsp. of vanilla extract
1 tsp. of almond extract
1 small egg (optional - I used the egg and I like the texture of the cookie)
DIRECTIONS
1. Preheat oven to 300°.
2. Using an electric mixer, soften butter for a minute. Add remaining ingredients and mix together.
3. Form dough into walnut size balls and place onto ungreased cookie sheet . The oil from the butter and almond meal will grease the sheet as the cookies bake.
4. Bake for 5 minutes. Remove from the oven and press down lightly with a fork. Replace cookies in the oven and continue to bake for another 18 minutes. The cookies DO NOT brown.
5. Let cool on sheet for 5 minutes before removing.


Hope everyone has a great day OP, off to work :dizzy:

Dee74
10-15-2012, 03:08 PM
LOL, I am waiting on brussel sprouts in the garden now, love them roasted. I wish my asparagus produced this time of year as I prefer fresh over canned or frozen. Had green beans last night and fried cabbage is on the menu for tonight...lol I'm glad I have no more summer squash left.

Thanks for the ideas
Ah, I miss having a garden and having to give away a gazillion squash! I can't grow crap in FL other than weeds and green beans, thank god I can grow one thing!

kSquared, sorry got your name wrong, but glad you are still here and making it work for you.

auntnelly
10-15-2012, 03:21 PM
Jab...not being home makes it really hard.

I wish I could afford that almond flour. It shows up in ALL the baking recipes. Oh well, I did a cake with soy flour, so I guess I can try even though everyone on the MV forum said it wouldn't work.

I always make this pizza, it is alot faster than the cauliflower crust pizza for sure.

Thin and Crispy Pizza Crust

Heat oven to 450 degrees
In a bowl thoroughly combine
3 eggs
3 cups shredded mozzarella cheese
1 tsp garlic powder
1 tsp basil ( use less)
press evenly into Pam sprayed pizza pan or cookie sheet (I lined it with parchment paper instead.)
(this makes one 16 inch pizza crust)
Bake at 450 degrees until golden brown (about 10 to 15 minutes).
Add sauce and toppings, then bake or broil a few more minutes until cheese is melted and toppings are heated.

jab91864
10-16-2012, 08:09 AM
That recipe for the cheese sounds like one I copied on MM the other day. It sounds faster and better than the cauliflower one. Some evening this week I plan to give it a go.

Yesterday was horrible my eating times were off and by the time I got a chance to sit down I had been on my feet over 13 hours and I just hurt all over. I plopped in the recliner with a turkey wrap and promptly nodded off. I'm hoping today will be better.

I was plaqued with squash borers in the garden this year so my squash production was minimal. Probably a good thing since I plant more winter squash than summer. I lost my butternuts, acorns and most of my pumpkins this year. Guess those bugs saved me from myself since all of those are forbidden on my food plan...lol

Almond flour is only ground up nuts. But almonds aren't cheap either. I ordered two small bags when I placed my last vitamin order (my dr. put me on an odd ball vitamin I can't find locally 2 yrs ago). Since I can't find the flour locally and I figured why not try it since I was paying for shipping anyway.

Dee74
10-18-2012, 11:45 AM
Boy, did we all leave to live on Mville? Miss you guys. We had a freezer failure a couple of days ago so we have been busy canning all we could and gave a lot away, ouch that hurt! Hubby is home and i am trying to get him to understand the program and been feeding him and lo and behold after a week his numbers are slowly coming down. I hope he starte to get it.

auntnelly
10-18-2012, 11:53 AM
I have been on MV some, but right now, I am really busy with my Mary Kay Holiday open house, so I have not been on line much any place for most of this week.
I'll be back more end of next week when this is all over and I have more time.
I am glad your husbands numbers are coming down, that hopefully will give him an idea all the changes are worth it. I guess he may need to know what the high numbers are silently doing to his body, if he doesn't already. High sugars start to destroy things right? Find out and let him know. I know a lady who didn't take it seriously, and became blind in one eye and lost a leg due to diabetes because she refused to follow the diet.
This is serious stuff....have him read up on it.

Dee74
10-18-2012, 06:34 PM
I have been on MV some, but right now, I am really busy with my Mary Kay Holiday open house, so I have not been on line much any place for most of this week.
I'll be back more end of next week when this is all over and I have more time.
I am glad your husbands numbers are coming down, that hopefully will give him an idea all the changes are worth it. I guess he may need to know what the high numbers are silently doing to his body, if he doesn't already. High sugars start to destroy things right? Find out and let him know. I know a lady who didn't take it seriously, and became blind in one eye and lost a leg due to diabetes because she refused to follow the diet.
This is serious stuff....have him read up on it.

He knows he watched my mom for 30 years eat whatever she wanted and cover with insulin. She died slowly over 6 years one thing after another and a fatal heart attack at 70. It was easy to complain about how she lived, but different to live it. On the upside his A1-C was 6.3 down from 6.6, he told me it was 6.2 the first time, oh well at least it is coming down just watching his carbs.

jab91864
10-19-2012, 09:23 AM
Dee sorry to hear about the freezer that hurts in more ways than one !!!

Tomorrow will be the end of week 6 on the program. My eating this week has been bad because of my time factors. Too hectic and I forget to eat the nuts in my pocket at work... aaaarrrggghhh. :(

Will finish off the last of my "special" yogurt today. I don't think I will be making a 2 hour round trip to buy anymore . If I happen to be that way fine, but otherwise it isn't worth it. It is ok, sort of thin and lifeless though..lol.

Every time I go to MM I try to find some recipe to copy and paste. I will be happy to get to eat a bigger variety of foods next month.

I wish I had never weighed in the scale has been on the same number every day this week and I am stalled at 15 lbs lost. :( I know, I know we are not suppose to weigh , it isn't a weight loss program yadda yadda but we all expect results ...lol. Hoping that the last two weeks take me to my "targeted" amt of loss for the first 8-weeks according to the chart in the book.

Hope everyone has a great day OP !!! :dizzy:

Dee74
10-19-2012, 05:13 PM
Dee sorry to hear about the freezer that hurts in more ways than one !!!

Tomorrow will be the end of week 6 on the program. My eating this week has been bad because of my time factors. Too hectic and I forget to eat the nuts in my pocket at work... aaaarrrggghhh. :(

Will finish off the last of my "special" yogurt today. I don't think I will be making a 2 hour round trip to buy anymore . If I happen to be that way fine, but otherwise it isn't worth it. It is ok, sort of thin and lifeless though..lol.

Every time I go to MM I try to find some recipe to copy and paste. I will be happy to get to eat a bigger variety of foods next month.

I wish I had never weighed in the scale has been on the same number every day this week and I am stalled at 15 lbs lost. :( I know, I know we are not suppose to weigh , it isn't a weight loss program yadda yadda but we all expect results ...lol. Hoping that the last two weeks take me to my "targeted" amt of loss for the first 8-weeks according to the chart in the book.

Hope everyone has a great day OP !!! :dizzy:

Oh man, 15 lbs gone!!!! :carrot::carrot::carrot: I am 9 weeks about in and have only lost 3 but down one size in most clothes. Boy do I feel like I'm doing it all wrong! No, not really I am in the 3-6 lb range per the charts so I am on target I guess. I weigh only once a week, a lot less discouraging :D

Yeah, the freezer deal will be painful for a while, but got 26 pints canned out of the chicken, had 2 nights of dinners and gave the rest away to folks who really needed it, so it's all good. I kept my berries just refroze them in small ice cube sizes for smoothies as the all still has crystals and were very cold.
Glad you are doing so well, keep up the good work. You are doing great!

auntnelly
10-20-2012, 11:56 AM
Jab...that is awesome loss!! You are doing well !! That is alot of weight .... are you feeling like your clothes fit a tad looser yet? I know a stall or gain can be frustrating......not supposed to weigh and this is why... I have had the same experience, very frustrating!!
What is the range of loss for you on the first 8 weeks? If you have had alot of(Like over 2 or 3??) "off" days in a week, I THINK the book says you have to start the 8 weeks over...so that could also stall you...of course, i noticed more inches than weight, so I hope you measured! :)

Dee... amazing on the size down on clothes!! that is super :) ... I guess if you are in the 3-6 lb range, then you really won't loose more than that, from what I gather from Diane's comments...man :( that freezer deal sounds just rough! Glad you had a way to keep at least some of what you had in there, but I do believe you will miss reaching for those items for days to come ! :(

Dee74
10-20-2012, 08:17 PM
I am officially caught up from the freezer defrost canning marathon! Most of the loss were meats, expensive but I had 10 whole chickens in there from a sale that I had planned to can, just not all at once! Hubby bought door latches to make sure they are closed, (he left it open,but who is pointing fingers :) )

Anyway it is all done, laundry, house and the bills caught up today and we decided to have a kind of cheat dinner ribs/chicken from our favorite place with potato salad and green beans. It was hubby's first taste of Guys SF BBQ sauce and it passed with flying colors, it is the best I have ever had.

I made the spag squash pudding with cinn and nutmeg a few days ago and it was great. Tonight making the peanut butter cookies and some jello out of sweet munchies around here.

Glad everyone is doing well and for the most part op, have a great weekend all.

auntnelly
10-21-2012, 07:35 PM
that sounds good dee.....
Is the SF BBQ sauce low carb too? I really can't find stuff like that, guess I"ll have to eventually go on line to shop for that stuff.

Been doing OK here. End of 2nd week on restart of Step 1. I don' think that I can get my "pre-plan" for Step 2 ready to start tomorrow. Diane said to email her a plan before I started. Got another 3 to 4 days of Mary Kay work to do before I will have a chance.

Starting to look toward Thanksgiving and wondering how to make that work. Need some recipes some how, I guess.

Dee74
10-22-2012, 12:23 PM
Hi Nelly, yes the Guys sauce is no carb and sf. The regular is spicy enough for me, but I did buy the spicy to try but I bet it's hot. They have 4 flavors. I got them at netrition.

Ally54
10-22-2012, 10:39 PM
Hi all,
I am feel desperate. Not sure if this will work for me. I'm sure the diet would work for someone who can stay on a diet , but I seem to be unable to stay on any diet. I crave sugar and wheat. I know if I can get through at least 3 days with no sugar or wheat. The craving goes away. I just can't seem to get through one day. I am worried if I am allowed to eat any carbs I will go on a binge, that is my pattern. I weigh more then I ever have. Well lets see. I have done it all , weight watchers, jenny craig, diets in magazines, rewards, punishments, Nothing seems to work, I seem to have no self control when it comes to food. When I 'm eating a candy bar, I am thinking about the next candy bar. It's sick. I want to wear pretty clothes again. I guess I just really have given up. But I don't want to give up.

Dee74
10-22-2012, 11:20 PM
Hi all,
I am feel desperate. Not sure if this will work for me. I'm sure the diet would work for someone who can stay on a diet , but I seem to be unable to stay on any diet. I crave sugar and wheat. I know if I can get through at least 3 days with no sugar or wheat. The craving goes away. I just can't seem to get through one day. I am worried if I am allowed to eat any carbs I will go on a binge, that is my pattern. I weigh more then I ever have. Well lets see. I have done it all , weight watchers, jenny craig, diets in magazines, rewards, punishments, Nothing seems to work, I seem to have no self control when it comes to food. When I 'm eating a candy bar, I am thinking about the next candy bar. It's sick. I want to wear pretty clothes again. I guess I just really have given up. But I don't want to give up.

Hi Ally, welcome to out little thread. Have you read or bought either book MM or DM? Are you diabetic? The reason I ask is to try to find out if you are looking for a diet plan or looking to change your life due to medical reasons.

My hubby and I are doing this for diabetes and is how we found it and have been on it now for about 8-10 weeks, so no experts here. But like you I have been on many plans and LC has been the only thing that has worked, I just could not do them long term, to restrictive.
We have ignored our weight and lifestyle long enough to now have health problems I sure hope you never have.

Have you ever boon to TOPS? They are a support type group for sensible weight loss as you state you feel out of control and know but seem helpless to change. You might want to look into them.

Now that being said, this program may very well help you to change your life, but YOU must want it. The first 8 weeks of the program are most definitely a low carb low glycemic load program. Yes you can have plenty of sweets just with artificial sweeteners not sugar. Hope you like Jello, almond meal etc.
We are here to support one another and this program has a lot of guidelines to follow that are needed. Let us know if you have read the book/s and have question. I thought you said you had ordered it but now that does not appear in reply mode so sorry if you said you did.

It will be a lot easier to help you decide after you give the book a good once over. Again welcome.

Dee74
10-22-2012, 11:25 PM
that sounds good dee.....
Is the SF BBQ sauce low carb too? I really can't find stuff like that, guess I"ll have to eventually go on line to shop for that stuff.

Been doing OK here. End of 2nd week on restart of Step 1. I don' think that I can get my "pre-plan" for Step 2 ready to start tomorrow. Diane said to email her a plan before I started. Got another 3 to 4 days of Mary Kay work to do before I will have a chance.

Starting to look toward Thanksgiving and wondering how to make that work. Need some recipes some how, I guess.

Thought you were on step 2? Geez I can't keep up who is where :D I a staying on step 1 for a while longer as hubby got home and need to teach him how to eat while on the ship as best I can. Finally broke uner 170 been a solid 169 for a week now, so maybe is it safe to say it out loud :) Hang in there kiddo a few more weeks and you will be there.

auntnelly
10-22-2012, 11:33 PM
Welcome Ally! I have to find the list of "symptoms" of the metabolism B which this diet address. I'll post them here since I can copy and paste them from a place I typed them in before.

If this IS you, do try and do it. Really, I have NEVER felt like I do now. I eat, and then I am satisfied. I am supposed to have a snack, and I"m like "hmmm... not hungry" It really does change things. The small amount of carbs we get on Step 1, will not cause cravings.

I WAS on Step 2, Diane told me to go back on Step 1 to "clean up" ... I don't have time to work on Step 2 this week, so will continue on Step 1 a bit longer. I am loosing and I hate to move on when things are going better.

Gotta run right now, will post the list and Ally, look at this list carefully and see if this diet might help you! We welcome you and trying won't hurt, we will help you!

auntnelly
10-22-2012, 11:33 PM
There are several lists. I will type in one list now, got to get off the computer

Check off any of the following experiences that describe a day in your life.

You tire easily and frequently feel fatigued, even upon awakening.
You feel mildly depressed.
You fell an energy slump in the late afternoon.
You frequently feel anxious.
You crave carbohydrate foods such as bread, chips, sweets or pasta.
You midsection has a roll of fat.
You gain weight easily and find it difficult to lose weight.
You have trouble sleeping.
You are often forgetful and worry about your short-term memory.
You have racing thoughts.
Your sexual drive has declined.
You find it difficult to focus and concentrate and are easily distracted.
Bright light or headlights at night bother you.
You are irritable and have a "short fuse."
You have increased sensitivity to aches and pains.
Your eyes frequently tear up and at other times feel dry and irritated.
You have frequent dull headaches.
You feel slightly dizzy, flushed or "weak in the knees" after even a little bit of alcohol.

If you have identified with 12 or more of the clues on the symptoms list you likely have Metabolism B. After 8 weeks, if any of them remain, those should be contributed to other causes and checked out by a Dr.

Part 2
Have you dieted for years, perhaps successfully in the past, but now even tried and true diets you once relied upon for weight loss fail you?

Do you notice that you can only stick to a diet for a short time and you get so discouraged by the dismal results, constant hunger and overwhelming cravings that you abandon your good intentions?

Are you gaining weight regardless of your efforts and is this weight shifting inot a roll around your middle?

Does the fat around your midsection look and feel spongy, loose and watery?

Can people around you can eat more and yet weigh less than you?

Is your overall health--physical, mental, and emotional--declining as your weight increases?

Do you need medical prescriptions for weight-related health problems such as hypertension, cholesterol, triglycerides, acid reflux, insomnia, depression, anxiety, or arthritis pain?

Despite diet and exercise, has your doctor been forced to increase your medication dosages or add new prescriptions to maintain your health?

Do cravings sometimes gnaw at you like an addiction and do you feel a strong urge to eat carbohydrates such as candy, sweets, bread, pasta, or chips?

Do you feel depressed, irritable, unattractive, and undesirable?

Are you fatigued, even after a proper amount of sleep?

Do you miss the "old you?"

Part 3

There is a long list of medical conditions to consider in your family history...parents, siblings, grandparents, aunts, or uncles as well as yourself that might indicate you have Metabolism B.

ADD or ADHD
Anxiety or panic attacks
cholesterol isncreases
low levels of HDL
Chronic Fatigue
Mild depression Prediabetes
Type 2 diabetes
GERD
Gestational diabetes
Fibromyalgia
high blood pressure or recent increases in blood pressure
hypoglycemia
hypothyroidism .. under-active thyroid
infertility related to hormonal imbalance
metabolic syndrome
mid line fat deposits and increasing weight without increasing food intake
osteoarthritis
osteoporosis or osteopenia
PCOS
Sleep apnea
sleep disturbances

Part 4
Blood panel numbers...............Normal ................ Metabolism B

Fasting blood glucose..................65-99..............................90 or above
Total cholesterol.....................less than 200......................200 or above
LDL Cholesterol.......................less than 100.......................100 or above
HDL Cholesterol......................greater than 45......................less than 45
Cholesterol/HDL ratio................less than 5.....................greater than 4
Triglycerides...........................less than 150....................100 or above
Hemoglobin A1C.......................Less than 6.0...................greater than 6.0
Blood pressure.........................less than 130/80................greater than 130/80

If you have fasting glucose of 90 or above, you have Metabolism B.

Ksquared
10-23-2012, 12:11 AM
I have been working a heck of a temp job. 9-10 hour days up at 5:3oam and down at 10:00pm

Needless to say I am fully off the wagon and it's about 50 miles up the road by now. -sigh-

I am gonna try and get my rear end caught up with the wagon and get back on.

Dee74
10-23-2012, 12:31 PM
I have been working a heck of a temp job. 9-10 hour days up at 5:3oam and down at 10:00pm

Needless to say I am fully off the wagon and it's about 50 miles up the road by now. -sigh-

I am gonna try and get my rear end caught up with the wagon and get back on.

Best of luck ksquared, it is hard when life gets so crazy. All you can do is the best you can. I have written to Diane on several occasions about my hubby's weird schedule and food on ship, she thinks you can do this where ever you are. Not true, so just do the best you can. Congrats on the temp job!

Ksquared
10-24-2012, 11:49 PM
Thanks,

It has been pretty crazy.

Ally54
10-25-2012, 02:45 PM
Hi Guys,
So I am starting the diet today. I had a low carb wrap with peanut butter for breakfast. I tried to find low carb bread at the grocery store last night. I could not find anything as low as 5 carbs a slice. So I went online. There was a site called Julian bakery that actually had a no carb bread for 7.99 a loaf,. Has any of you tried that? or do any of you know of a brand of bread that is good?
- Thanks

Ksquared
10-25-2012, 03:07 PM
Wonderbread has the Smart Bread it's 5 carbs a slice (After you take away the dietary Fiber)

Sara Lee has the Healthy bread as well that is 5 carbs. a slice.

There are some tortillas that are 5 carbs as well.

Good Luck :)

auntnelly
10-25-2012, 05:55 PM
good for you Ally, yes, I use the Sara Lee as well, just subract the total carbs for 1 slice minus the fiber, and there is one that is 5 carb....
I have never tried that bread, but sounds expensive.

Been really busy here, stayed on Step 1 this week because I didn't have time to move to Step 2 with a plan. So I'll work on that for maybe the first of November.

However, things are going better now that I am walking mostly 30 mins 5 days a week, and cut out nuts, (just way too many calories, I over eat them)... I have dropped a few more pounds past where I started gaining near the end of Step 1 last time.

Dee74
10-25-2012, 07:22 PM
Hi Ally, welcome some of the Julians labeling is not true as far as carbs and also goes for Josphes Lavash, Ole mexican wraps and a couple of others. As the others have said they are in the grocery store you just have to hunt sometimes. Glad you are giving this whirl. The Mission carb balance ones walmart usually has along with Merita and Sara lee breads if you have one close.

Nelly, I think I have the same problem I am not losing as much as the charts say but also not exercising much either. Health problems are getting in my way. I had been riding my bike and kind of got off the wagon with that too. I am doing much more around the house. So who knows. I quit buying cashews because I would not eat just a handful, well I did several times a day! Hubby and me are just gong to stay in step 1 for a while longer as he is getting the hang of it. I hope it will be easier for him to move up when he understands it but he still won't read the book, grrrrrrr.

auntnelly
10-26-2012, 03:13 PM
I am on Step 1 now until I can get a plan for Step 2. I am thinking first of November I might make the switch.

As far as meals away from home, that would be tough. I wonder if canned tuna and chicken with mayo might work? It has to be a chore. So many items that are easy to eat when not at home are carbs.

I take a muffin (made from a MM recipe) or nuts. Celery and cream cheese is good if one likes celery, which I do not.

As far as you husband reading the book.....well make it easy for him. Just copy a few key pages, like the arrow charts and maybe a list she has in there of the "rules" for the step you are on, and give them to him. Guys are more likely to stick to the over all "head lines" and don't care so much about the details.

Dee74
10-26-2012, 03:44 PM
Yeah, I have done all of that he say's he still doesn't understand. I think it is more does not want to understand. then he says he gets it and goes and eats half a big sams can of nuts :?: Or has a beer with 16 carbs.
Oh well, got to worry about me. What did Diane tell you that may be of help to lose more weight? I am trying to keep fats down but find I am eating more of the higher end carbs even though they are neutral. not sure what else to do but exercise more. Glad you are doing well.

auntnelly
10-26-2012, 04:48 PM
When I gave Diane my information, she said that exercise was 1/2 the diet. So if you aren't you aren't doing 1/2 the plan. Really what she expects isn't alot and is doable. 30 mins and not even every day only 5 a week, and if you read the book, it can be most anything, from cleaning to walking to gardening.

Fats was a big one for me, and if you are consistently eating more than 5 grams of carbs at a time, you aren't going to benefit from what the diet is trying to do, change your Met. B. She told me to go back on Step 1 because the tortillas I had been eating were too many carbs and that messed up my Step 1 just enough it didn't work.

When you say "higher end carbs" what do you mean?

Dee74
10-26-2012, 11:20 PM
Using vegs from the list but more brussel sprouts, spag squash cheese on salads full fat blue cheese. Nothing that really is not on plan but tend to higher carb counts if they were being counted. You know like having a salad and not having to count the lettuce,tom,etc individually.

My exercise is small amount as they are trying to determine where I am bleeding inside. They know small bowel, just not what or where and I am anemic from that. So I do what i can without wearing myself out and under a lot of stress trying to find out what is going on. So maybe all of that is slowing me.I am in the 3-5 range and have lost 4 so maybe doing ok. I don't have many counters at all.

Glad you are getting the right advice and moving forward.

jab91864
10-30-2012, 09:10 AM
I've been down and out with a bout of diverticulitis :( It has been months since I had an episode so I was depressed that it would start again. On antibiotics and meds and am starting to feel a bit better. Haven't missed any work thankfully, and it is not as bad as my last bout earlier in the year, but I am now completely off plan.

I got the big lecture about nuts and seeds but personally I feel that is an old school theory. I have a family history and my brother had to have a bag last year after being in ICU for almost 2 weeks with his diverticulitis, I can't let mine get that bad. Thankfully my doctor keeps me supplied with prescriptions to deal with attacks.

Anyway until I am "normal" again I won't be following any plan to the letter.

Hope everyone is well and have a GREAT day !!

Dee74
10-30-2012, 02:20 PM
I've been down and out with a bout of diverticulitis :( It has been months since I had an episode so I was depressed that it would start again. On antibiotics and meds and am starting to feel a bit better. Haven't missed any work thankfully, and it is not as bad as my last bout earlier in the year, but I am now completely off plan.

I got the big lecture about nuts and seeds but personally I feel that is an old school theory. I have a family history and my brother had to have a bag last year after being in ICU for almost 2 weeks with his diverticulitis, I can't let mine get that bad. Thankfully my doctor keeps me supplied with prescriptions to deal with attacks.

Anyway until I am "normal" again I won't be following any plan to the letter.

Hope everyone is well and have a GREAT day !!

So sorry Jab, been there too and had a bowel resection due to it. i agree the nuts and seeds are old school but I guess they are more prone to get into the little sacs and infect. Take care of your health first I am in the same boat, had another CT yesterday fro bowel issues. So off plan too but trying as much as i can. Hope you are feeling better soon.

auntnelly
10-30-2012, 02:59 PM
I'm sorry for both of you. That can't make things any easier for you all.

Do the best you can with what you can, I don't know anything about seeds and nuts, but I would guess if they seem to make a difference then cut back on them.

I haven't had much time to do much, still coasting on Step 1 and needing to move on to Step 2 but need to get a plan together first. Gotta run!

Keep us posted on your tests, Dee. Hope they figure it all out soon!

auntnelly
11-01-2012, 07:19 PM
Guess we are all busy and not checking in much.

I finally decided to email Diane with my Step 2 plan, and just after that within the hour, she emailed saying she was a Sandy storm victim and was emailing from a grocery store using their electricity to charge her phone. I was then quite shocked to get a message back from her. I expected she would not be answering for some time.

She said with the reduced weight but no reduction in inches, I was burning my muscle and I needed to increase my exercise in length and intensity. Ok, ok.....gee.... I have lost almost 5 lbs in the past 3 weeks since restarting Step 1, but no more inches.....hmmmmmm

Dee74
11-02-2012, 07:01 PM
Like you Nelly I get kind of confused about how what happens. I have been under so much stress and health testing I just got off plan period for the last 4 days and am not sure what I am going to do going forward.

I am in between sizes and blood numbers have been much better. However thinking of going back to an Atkins type of a more restricted plan until I get about 20 pounds off. That is usually 2 pounds a week on 20-30 carbs with no exercise. So doing some would probably help that and then move into Dianes step one and the rest of the plan.
One of the reasons I could never stay very lc for any longer than 6 months was reintroducing the carbs and I can now see her plan does it very well and not set off cravings so they say. So step one would be a great way to move up slowly.
So where does this leave you plan wise and how could you be burning muscle with the amount of carbs on step one? I am not sure I understand the reasoning on that one, you?

auntnelly
11-03-2012, 11:19 AM
What it says in the book, is that if we don't exercise, our body will not know the difference between muscle and fat tissue, and will burn both on the diet. So if we exercise, our body will know what is muscle and will not burn that.
Also fat does not weigh as much as the muscle, so if I am loosing weight and not inches, I am loosing muscle since it is more dense and weighs more, so when lost, we show a big weight loss.
We don't want to loose muscle because it burns fat more efficiently than fat... the more muscle you have the more weight you will burn and more easily.

All this to say, I need to go walk, cold wind today, so not wanting to do it. :(

Dee74
11-03-2012, 12:30 PM
Ha ha, I can so relate! My arm injury stops me from doing a lot I would like to do. And with everything that has been going on have not even rode my bike. But hopefully things are starting to settle down for me to get my brain back on the task at hand. Right now just trying to hold it all together and not gain 10 lbs.
Get your butt out there and walk! I'll sit here on the couch and watch ya :)

auntnelly
11-04-2012, 09:00 PM
LOL !! Yeah, I went, I was cold, but trying to find ways to walk so I don't have to walk into the strong north wind.
been on MV trying to find some new recipies, having to start Step 1 over due to my issues......getting bored of the same old same old

Ksquared
11-04-2012, 09:05 PM
Do any of you girls have any gluten free tortilla recipes?

My Sister is having a hard time of life and recently found out she has a wheat allergy. So she is going gluten free.

Dee74
11-05-2012, 06:31 PM
What about corn tortillas? or is she trying to be lc too?
Pretty much back on plan, my week off left mr with a bg of 128 in the evening 3 hours after eating, that was a wake up call to get at least my diet back on track. I think DH and me are just going to step one through the holidays before even thinking about step 2. I will look around fro you Ksquared.

Do any of you girls have any gluten free tortilla recipes?

My Sister is having a hard time of life and recently found out she has a wheat allergy. So she is going gluten free.

Ksquared
11-06-2012, 02:00 PM
Corn tortillas are great. But she would like a wheat free option for eating sandwiches.

auntnelly
11-06-2012, 07:34 PM
I was told to try this tortilla recipe. I loath coconut, but was told I would not taste it in the flour I used for some cookies. They still say I would not with this recipe because the other tastes would drown it out. I have not tried these though yet. Alot of work for something I might not like :)

0 MM-carb Tortillas for Enchiladas

Posted by Lotus Blossom MV site

******************************Coconut Flour Tortillas**********************Neutral / Stovetop

5-6 " small skillet

This recipe is a combination of on-line recipes & some MM friendly changes I made. :))

The result is a delicate thin-like crepe, which handled carefully, is excellent for an enchilada meal.

INGREDIENTS: for 'one dozen' 5-6" inch tortillas:

4 eggs

1/4 C. canola oil

2 pinches of salt

1/4 C. unsweetened coconut flour, sifted. (I dry-whisked in a separate bowl & did not sift.)

1/3 C. 1/2&1/2, combined in a measuring cup, with the water amount listed next.

1/3 C. water

Can of low-fat spray oil and a 'collector' plate or platter.

DIRECTIONS:

Heat UNsprayed small skillet on low-heat for 4 minutes......

In a bowl, whisk eggs, oil & salt.

Sift in flour & whisk until lump free.

Add 'milky water' & whisk well, letting sit a bit to absorb flour and prepare small skillet.

Pick up pan & spray lightly with oil.

....Ladle 3-3 1/2 Tbs. of mixture into center of pan, twirling pan immediately to coat all of bottom.

....Put pan back on low-heat.

....Cook 3 minutes per side until light brown. Set aside tortilla on a collector plate.

Repeat each time until all 12 tortillas are finished, stirring again each time you dip into mixture.

NOTES:

I lightly sprayed my skillet after every 3 tortillas.

I used my stew ladle, after determining what one dip of 3-3 1/2 Tbs. looked like.

I pulled out 2 more skillets, having 3 cooking at almost the same time, after I made my first tortilla. You can use slightly larger skillets if you get good at keeping a 5-6 inch circle. LOL !!

Use a 'flexible' spatula to loosen edges after about 2 minutes cooking time. Be very careful not to tear these, as they can be very thin. Because they are thin, be careful when you roll your enchiladas.

I make these a day/evening ahead of making enchiladas, storing covered in the refrigerator.

Step 2 MMers can use these for 11-20 fruit crepes. ;)

Dee74
11-06-2012, 10:44 PM
La Tortiila factory carries them. Mama lupa may have one to check netrions site you can see the ingredients list there for several product. When I do a search for gluten free several come up. Just depends on what she has locally.

Ksquared
11-06-2012, 11:31 PM
Thanks Ladies.. I knew someone here would know . :)

Dee74
11-07-2012, 09:35 PM
Well, I am off to Tx to take care of a crisis, so will be off plan for sure and not on much, but wanted to keep cheering you all on.