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jamie26301
07-24-2012, 06:24 PM
Hey there.

I'm thinking about tweaking Atkins. I might move on to OWL, or something, but I just can't take all these veggies! I miss bread, most of all, and peanut butter, which I broke down and had a few spoonfuls of it today.

The other night I had crackers, which was 24 carbs, but I was hungry and doing laundry, and I couldn't leave my laundry to eat because sometimes laundry gets stolen here. So I just didn't eat any veggies that day to make up for it, and with the other carbs I had, I'd say it came up to about 25-30 carbs for the day.

I'd say that for the past week I've kept my carbs under 30 (slightly over 20 most days) on average. Should I lose weight that way? I don't have a scale, and I'm going to weigh myself at the clinic at the end of the week. I've stayed away from foods not on the Induction list for the most part, and if I had something that wasn't on it, it was a very very small amount of that thing.

I really don't want to go on to OWL, because I want the fast weight loss, but eating veggies is hard. In my Questions about Induction thread, someone gave me some ideas about what veggies to eat.

Any suggestions is welcome. Could I have peanut butter in a later stage of Atkins? Two tablespoons is only 6 grams Net Carbs.


vabs
07-24-2012, 06:51 PM
I can give you my perspective, but I no longer do strict Atkins anymore. :)

I've found I have to watch my calories if I'm not following a bunch of restrictions on foods. Basically I let myself have anything, but keep my daily net carbs between 20 and 30g. That still means lots and lots of veggies, but I have something slightly higher carb occasionally (still within my daily limits, though. Like reduced carb tortillas, or one serving of fat free pringles as a treat).

I keep my calories between 1200 and 1800, so that's an additional factor to track. Instead of regular peanut butter, I eat PB2, I always have veggies, I try to get leaner protein when I can, etc.

For me, I have lost more weight this way then I did on Atkins, but Atkins gave me the tools to do so. So I guess it just depends on your preferences and what you're willing to track everyday. If not counting calories is a big part of why you like Atkins, then strict Atkins might be a better choice.

Hope that helps. :)

jamie26301
07-24-2012, 07:10 PM
I can give you my perspective, but I no longer do strict Atkins anymore. :)

I've found I have to watch my calories if I'm not following a bunch of restrictions on foods. Basically I let myself have anything, but keep my daily net carbs between 20 and 30g. That still means lots and lots of veggies, but I have something slightly higher carb occasionally (still within my daily limits, though. Like reduced carb tortillas, or one serving of fat free pringles as a treat).

I keep my calories between 1200 and 1800, so that's an additional factor to track. Instead of regular peanut butter, I eat PB2, I always have veggies, I try to get leaner protein when I can, etc.

For me, I have lost more weight this way then I did on Atkins, but Atkins gave me the tools to do so. So I guess it just depends on your preferences and what you're willing to track everyday. If not counting calories is a big part of why you like Atkins, then strict Atkins might be a better choice.

Hope that helps. :)

What's PB2?

I guess I might have too much mayo with my hamburger. :) I like to smother it in mayo. I could try to track my calories.

So do you have bread? You said anything, but bread is high in carbs. What about whole wheat pasta?


sandyfanny
07-24-2012, 07:26 PM
Jamie, I'm sorry you've got the blues. If the worst thing you've done is eat a couple spoons of peanut butter, you're more than okay. Peanut butter is one of my favorite things, and it's a cheat sometimes for me too. Right now there's none in the house; I don't need to be cheating right now for sure. I find that, for me, ANY bread or crackers are slippery slopes. As soon as I eat bread or crackers, I crave carbs...all the carbs in the world.

What makes Atkins so good for so many of us is that if you leave the bread, crackers, sugar, rice and potatoes alone long enough, you no longer crave them. Even if I control portions carefully, small amounts wake up the craving beast. And there's no way I'm counting calories. That drives me nuts, and I'm so hungry when I do it.

Whatever you decide is best for you, the Atkins Chicks will support you in your success. But don't give it up over peanut butter, girl. (If you must eat peanut butter, buy all natural, nothing except peanuts. It's not nearly as good as junky old Peter Pan with lots of sugar and salt and who knows what else, so I'm not tempted to dip into it unless I'm hysterical.) Feel better. Eat your stupid veggies; they'll make you pretty and smart. :dizzy:

vabs
07-24-2012, 07:30 PM
PB2 is dehydrated, defatted peanut butter (you add water to it). It has 45 calories instead of 200. I mostly use it in sauces (asian peanut sauce on broccoli and chicken is my fav).

I don't usually eat bread or pasta, because one serving would blow through all 30g of my net carbs for a day. There are lower carb breads out there that I used to eat, but my grocery store stopped carrying them (booo!).
That's the catch... I could eat some bread but then it would likely be 0 carbs the rest of the day. So I have to plan for it.

I make low carb wraps and muffins using ground flax seed and soy flour to replace higher carb options, though. And I bake low carb tortillas to make some chips. There are a lot of great low carb recipes out there that aren't too time involved. One of my favorite sites for ideas is 'Linda's Low Carb Menus & Recipes.'

So overall, I have more options BUT it made it more complicated at the start. Now, I know what I like and it's easy-peasy for me.

jamie26301
07-24-2012, 08:26 PM
Jamie, I'm sorry you've got the blues. If the worst thing you've done is eat a couple spoons of peanut butter, you're more than okay.
Well that makes me feel better, BUT not long after I wrote that I had a handful of chips and one sip of soda. Would chips wake up carb cravings? Can I have them in moderation?

What makes Atkins so good for so many of us is that if you leave the bread, crackers, sugar, rice and potatoes alone long enough, you no longer crave them.
That gives me hope, but the question is how long?

Whatever you decide is best for you, the Atkins Chicks will support you in your success.
Wonderful! Everyone here is so nice. :)

(If you must eat peanut butter, buy all natural, nothing except peanuts. It's not nearly as good as junky old Peter Pan with lots of sugar and salt and who knows what else, so I'm not tempted to dip into it unless I'm hysterical.)
Hey, natural PB is better than no PB at all!

Feel better. Eat your stupid veggies; they'll make you pretty and smart. :dizzy:
LOL

PB2 is dehydrated, defatted peanut butter (you add water to it). It has 45 calories instead of 200. I mostly use it in sauces (asian peanut sauce on broccoli and chicken is my fav).
Where can I find this at? I'd love to try it.

I don't usually eat bread or pasta, because one serving would blow through all 30g of my net carbs for a day. There are lower carb breads out there that I used to eat, but my grocery store stopped carrying them (booo!).
That's the catch... I could eat some bread but then it would likely be 0 carbs the rest of the day. So I have to plan for it.
Yeah, lots of carbs. :( I never heard of low carb bread...are there any online stores you may buy it from?

I make low carb wraps and muffins using ground flax seed and soy flour to replace higher carb options, though. And I bake low carb tortillas to make some chips. There are a lot of great low carb recipes out there that aren't too time involved. One of my favorite sites for ideas is 'Linda's Low Carb Menus & Recipes.'
I checked out that site. Good stuff, only I don't like fooling in the kitchen too much, but I'm going to have to learn to like it.

So overall, I have more options BUT it made it more complicated at the start. Now, I know what I like and it's easy-peasy for me.
I'm sure once I find my sweet spot, I'll be ok too. :)

ghost
07-24-2012, 08:56 PM
You can get PB2 at netrition or on amazon. I'm not a big fan of anything thats been "defatted" lol! Fat is a big part of my keto diet. Are you eating enough fat to keep you satiated? Remember, Atkins and keto diets are not Protein diets, they are high fat, moderate protein, low carb. Coconut oil helps me feel more satiated throughout the day, I add it to my coffee in the morning, especially during shark week when my appitite can go crazy.

sandyfanny
07-24-2012, 09:11 PM
This has been my experience: How long? Three weeks with NO cheats, and I'm good to go. Chips and cravings? Chips will definitely wake the carby beast. ANYTHING made with flour (white or whole wheat), containing sugar, rice or potatoes makes me want MORE. Moderation? If I could eat chips and ice cream and bread in moderation, would I ever need to diet? The answer is "No." Moderation doesn't work for many of us with weight to lose because our bodies physically respond to carbohydrates in particularly nasty ways. Read some Dr. Atkins lit, particularly the sections that deal with insulin resistance and how our bodies handle carbs. Notice that you moved from crackers to chips; you didn't move from crackers to celery. I'm rooting for you, Jamie!

jamie26301
07-24-2012, 09:11 PM
You can get PB2 at netrition or on amazon. I'm not a big fan of anything thats been "defatted" lol! Fat is a big part of my keto diet. Are you eating enough fat to keep you satiated? Remember, Atkins and keto diets are not Protein diets, they are high fat, moderate protein, low carb. Coconut oil helps me feel more satiated throughout the day, I add it to my coffee in the morning, especially during shark week when my appitite can go crazy.

lol

It's true that Atkins is a high fat diet, but the PB2 actually has a few less carbs than regular PB, which makes it better.

I'll have to check out coconut oil. I put heavy whipping cream in my coffee. It's fatty and has no carbs.

I dunno if I'm getting enough fat. I add butter to my eggs, and fatty dressing like full fat ranch to my salads. What are some suggestions of how I can get my fat in at every meal?

TiffNeedsChange
07-24-2012, 09:13 PM
It seems to me like you need yo do a 100% NO CHEATING induction because the little nibbles and slips are probably causing you some cravings. Have you tried making Revolution rolls or oopsie rolls? Flax has a strong flavor and it takes some getting used to but that is an option. How long have you been doing Atkins? There is a "spinach bread" recipe on genaw.com you may want to give a shot. I totally understand missing bread (I slipped up and ate pizza last week BUT that slip up made me realize that carbs make me feel funky). Other than that I do sneak a few berries in here and there as well as up to 5 nuts but I make sure to stay under 20 carbs (not sneaking everyday though). Try to make a list of what you want to achieve by successfully completing extended induction. That said, some people totally skip induction which is an option. You have to decide what will work best for you.

TiffNeedsChange
07-24-2012, 09:14 PM
Sandyfanny-I am with you 100% on the carby beast.. my carb beast graced me with an extra 100 pounds.

jamie26301
07-24-2012, 09:19 PM
This has been my experience: How long? Three weeks with NO cheats, and I'm good to go.
I did good for a few days. I think the first time I went off the diet (started Tuesday of last week) was like Thursday or Friday when I ate one chip and took one sip of soda. Then the next day I had three to four fries. Very little.

Chips and cravings? Chips will definitely wake the carby beast. ANYTHING made with flour (white or whole wheat), containing sugar, rice or potatoes makes me want MORE.
Thanks for this info. I'll have to steer clear of these things.

Moderation doesn't work for many of us with weight to lose because our bodies physically respond to carbohydrates in particularly nasty ways. Read some Dr. Atkins lit, particularly the sections that deal with insulin resistance and how our bodies handle carbs.
I have the New Atkins for the New You book. It was practically a steal from Amazon.

Notice that you moved from crackers to chips; you didn't move from crackers to celery. I'm rooting for you, Jamie!
I know, right? Good point. I'm going to have to have more willpower. During the first three weeks, how do you handle your cravings?

And hey, thanks! Thanks for the support to you, and everyone who's posted in this thread.

sandyfanny
07-24-2012, 09:19 PM
Me too! Nothing like an extra 100 pounds to get our attention. I gained 14 pounds in three or four months when I stopped watching my carbs. Of course, I was feeding the carby beast like it was my life mission. Unfortunately, I have learned the hard way (twice) that I cannot eat very many carbs unless I'm prepared to gain weight. But, not to worry, I also know how to lose it. Atkins works for so many women like no other way of eating. Onward! :dizzy:

TiffNeedsChange
07-24-2012, 09:22 PM
Pat of butter on your cooked veggies, saute your veggies and meat eith olive oil, deviled eggs made with mayo, many recipes using cream cheese/heavy whipping cream and such, up to 3 ounces cheese per day, homemade alfredo sauce low carb version. If you do not like cooking the easiest way is to melt butter on your cooked veggies and use a fatty dressing, also fatty cuts of meat on some days... I suggest you go to a low carb recipe site and find a few recipes that sound good to you and master them, that way cooking willl feel a little less like a chore and those yummy foods will get you more excited.

jamie26301
07-24-2012, 09:25 PM
It seems to me like you need yo do a 100% NO CHEATING induction because the little nibbles and slips are probably causing you some cravings. Have you tried making Revolution rolls or oopsie rolls? Flax has a strong flavor and it takes some getting used to but that is an option. How long have you been doing Atkins? There is a "spinach bread" recipe on genaw.com you may want to give a shot. I totally understand missing bread (I slipped up and ate pizza last week BUT that slip up made me realize that carbs make me feel funky). Other than that I do sneak a few berries in here and there as well as up to 5 nuts but I make sure to stay under 20 carbs (not sneaking everyday though). Try to make a list of what you want to achieve by successfully completing extended induction. That said, some people totally skip induction which is an option. You have to decide what will work best for you.

Tell me about Revolution rolls and oopsie rolls. Never heard of them. I started Atkins Tuesday, a week ago. I want to stay in Induction, but if I can sneak a few berries and nuts, that will make me feel better. Just not everyday, right? And I will check out genaw.com. As I said somewhere else, I need to get used to the kitchen, because I'm going have to spend some time there to fix these things. Thanks!

TiffNeedsChange
07-24-2012, 09:33 PM
The oopsie bread is made eith eggs and crezm cheese, there is a whole thread dedicated to them...should shoe up if you google them (my computer bit the dust last week and I have no idea how to link thru my phone) they are not the same texture as bread but satisfy the craving. Revolution rolls recipe is on genaw.com under breads, trying that recipe tonight. Just make sure your egg whites are stiff enough because the first time I made oopsies they were a tad flat because of that. Also, there are recipes for low carb cream cheese muffins (I posted it in one of the Atkins threads) but you may want to wait on making those till your cravings are less overwhelming since they can be a trigger for somd people. Tonight I made cheeseburger patties with some slices tomato and romaine lettuce on the side and dipped it all in homemade "big mac" sauce-was nice for a change.

jamie26301
07-24-2012, 09:41 PM
The oopsie bread is made eith eggs and crezm cheese, there is a whole thread dedicated to them...should shoe up if you google them (my computer bit the dust last week and I have no idea how to link thru my phone) they are not the same texture as bread but satisfy the craving. Revolution rolls recipe is on genaw.com under breads, trying that recipe tonight. Just make sure your egg whites are stiff enough because the first time I made oopsies they were a tad flat because of that. Also, there are recipes for low carb cream cheese muffins (I posted it in one of the Atkins threads) but you may want to wait on making those till your cravings are less overwhelming since they can be a trigger for somd people. Tonight I made cheeseburger patties with some slices tomato and romaine lettuce on the side and dipped it all in homemade "big mac" sauce-was nice for a change.

Alright! I'll look into these things. So glad you enjoyed your cheeseburgers! I had hamburger today actually.

TiffNeedsChange
07-24-2012, 09:45 PM
I hope that some of those recipes help you through the rough patches! We are all in this together :)

Summer2010
07-25-2012, 01:42 PM
Wow...what a great thread! I am sorry i missed the discussion yesterday! Hang in there Jamie, I did not lose anything for 10 days and was ready to give up and then decided to really give it one more big push switching from gummy bear multivitamins to regular multivitamins, cutting down on cheese, tracking my calories (around 1800-1900/day) and eliminating 4-5 sticks of extra gum that I had daily....and lost 1.5 lbs in two days....I am so happy I followed the advice of people on this board and am glad I stayed on plan. I had such an intense craving for chips and snacky snacks LOL a couple of nights ago but I was strong and decided to go to bed and read my book instead.

My point is, cravings come and go, plan for those times when cravings hit, induction is not the easiest but you can do it with all the support here.

Good luck to you!!

jamie26301
07-25-2012, 06:24 PM
Thanks Tiff and Summer for the encouragement. I had biscuit and gravy this morning (doh!) but then when I went to an Omelet Shop I got an steak and onion omelet with bites of tomato with it. Not bad huh?

sandyfanny
07-25-2012, 08:40 PM
Good decision with the steak and onion/tomato at the Omelet Shop, Jamie. An omelet shop is a great place for you to get what you need. You can do this!

TiffNeedsChange
07-25-2012, 10:56 PM
Oh yummy, an omelet shop. I went to a Chinese buffet and managed to stay on plan with boiled seafood w/butter sauce and sauteed veggies, seems like a good alternative to the norm.

Serenity100
07-26-2012, 07:25 AM
Jamie, if you get through the first three days of induction with no cheating, it will so much easier for you. Every time you eat carbs, it's like getting back to square one, and you have to go through those painful carb withdrawals again. No fun. You need to get your body into Ketosis for Atkins to work for you. But once the withdrawals are over, you will find it is worth it.

kaplods
07-26-2012, 10:41 AM
I'm not following Atkins, because even on induction my appetite isn't low enough to guarantee weight loss. I need a calorie-counting component, because I can't trust my hunger alone (it's too screwed up, probably from a lifetime of crash diets).

Also, I have blood sugar issues that make induction impossible. "Induction flu" doesn't go away after two weeks for me, and only gets worse to the point I'll actually pass out. I eventually discovered that these symptoms were low blood sugar.

I use a reduced-carb exchange plan. My experience with low-carb diets including Atkins is that playing with carbs, is like playing with fire. It doesn't mean you can't ever eat any, but the chance of a "flame-up" is always there. Even fruit for me, triggers cravings. I can be a grown-up about it and resist the cravings, but they're going to be there - and if I continue to ignore the little cravings and eat more carbs, I'm going to end up with an all-out forest-fire of intense cravings.

Crackers? Bread? Pasta? I may never be able to eat these without triggering what I call "rabid hunger."




I really don't want to go on to OWL, because I want the fast weight loss, but eating veggies is hard. In my Questions about Induction thread, someone gave me some ideas about what veggies to eat.

Just want to point out that when you move on to OWL, you're not supposed to be eating fewer vegetables, you're supposed to be eating MORE (in fact, your first 5g increase (at least) is supposed to come form MORE vegetables.

As a reminder, here's the carb ladder

1.More salad and other vegetables
2.Fresh cheeses (as well as more aged cheese)
3.Nuts and Seeds
4.Berries, then melons
5.Dry wine (and other spirits low in carbs)
6.Legumes
7.Other Fruits
8.Starchy vegetables
9.Whole grains


In fact, you don't HAVE to ever move beyond the first wrung, because your second week of OWL can also come from more veggies. Atkins never said (in any of the books I read) how long to stay at one rung before moving to the next, but he did say to move on only after you've been able to gauge your tolerance for that rung (as determined by any stalls in your weight loss, or any retriggering of cravings). I would argue that would have to be at least a couple weeks (ideally three or four). But even if you assume it's only one week, that would mean it would be three weeks before you add in nuts, and at least nine weeks before you add in whole grains.

This is the part of OWL that I think most folks (definitely I) have the most problems implementing. We treat the ladder as a "guideline" rather than a hard limit.


I have a lost of respect for Atkins, but I switched to paleo because I wouldn't follow the ladder. I'm considering going back to Atkins, or at least moving my food choices closer to the bottom rungs of the ladder, because my weight has been stalling, and even fruit has begun to trigger out-of-control hunger.

Either way though, non-starchy veggies are always going to have to be my hunger-buffer because the fiber and low calorie-count keep me satisfied. I also have to watch how I eat fruit, because if I eat fruit alone (without fat and/or protein) even berries will trigger rebound hunger.


In the long-run, the veggies are your best friend, but if you're not used to eating them, it may not seem like it. The good news is that the longer you eat them, the more you'll learn to love them (really).

sandyfanny
07-26-2012, 12:17 PM
Good choices at the Chinese restaurant, Tiff!

Today my challenge is I'm meeting a friend who is very overweight and eats anything she wants. We're going shopping, but I know she's going to want a snack. We're meeting at 4 p.m. - an odd time, but I have a plan. No matter what she eats, I'm going to find an iced tea or a yummy iced coffee with Splenda and cream. I've prepared by eating bacon and eggs for breakfast, and I'll have a salad with protein (maybe chicken or cheese - or both!) about 1:30. Everytime we do the right thing, we strengthen our skills. I appreciate the support, Atkins Chicks.

JerseyGyrl
07-26-2012, 12:47 PM
My experience with low-carb diets including Atkins is that playing with carbs, is like playing with fire. It doesn't mean you can't ever eat any, but the chance of a "flame-up" is always there.

:bravo:Kaplods! I could not have said it any better myself.
I've been doing Atkins for 8+ years now and lots of people will ask me "what made you so successful on Atkins?". My response is always the same, "Atkins works when its done CORRECTLY". When I say "correctly", I mean done by the book. Speaking of the book, that is where Atkins begins. Reading the book (Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution 2002 or prior versions) BEFORE you attempt to do Atkins, is critical. Personally, I even suggest reading it cover to cover twice to be sure you fully comprehend exactly how & why this plan works and how to do it correctly & effectively.
Kaplods is 100% correct, "playing with carbs is like playing with fire". I feel exatly the same way. Being on Atkins for over 8 years now, I know what I can eat and what I can't eat. I typically do not eat fruit with the exception of some blueberries in the Summer. I don't drink diet soda or juices (Crystal Light etc.). I eat absolutely no grains. I drink lots of water and herbal decaf teas. I eat a salad everyday for lunch with some type of protein, usually grilled chicken. I will often add cold, cooked green beans or broccoli to my salad. I eat eggs, bacon & cheese for breakfast with some low carb/low sugar yogurt or plain greek yogurt. To most my eating would seem pretty basic & boring....but....there are many fantastic recipes & substitutions on Atkins so your meals don't need to ho-hum. Before Atkins I barely touched a vegetable but, like Kaplods said "The good news is that the longer you eat them, the more you'll learn to love them (really)." This is very true! My dinner last night was a big salad with chunks of mozzarella, salami, cut red & yellow peppes, sliced black olives and sun-dried tomato with a dressing made of olive oil, vinegar & parmesan cheese. It was delicious! When I think back to the garbage I used to eat (a box of pop tarts & a half gallon of ice cream for dinner:o) it is no wonder I ate myself up to 245 lbs! Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think I'd lose all this weight and enjoy eating veggies, salad and protein....but....Atkins proved me wrong!
Atkins works when you do it CORRECTLY....I'm living proof of that!:)

sandyfanny
07-26-2012, 12:54 PM
Thanks, Jerseygyrl and Kaplods. The voices of reality are always good things. I appreciate your support and your sound advice.

jamie26301
07-26-2012, 05:18 PM
JerseyGyrl, some of the stuff you said disheartened me somewhat. No grains?! I love whole wheat bread with a little peanut butter. And no fruit?! Like to buy one of those melody cups of fruit from Krogers. But I must say, that salad you had last night sure sounded delish!

And kaplods, more veggies?! Haha, I threw up (literally) trying to have a kale based salad the other day. But you know something? For a few days I was following the plan, I didn't mind the veggies so much, it's just that I don't know of many I like to eat, though I haven't tried a whole lot either. I like iceberg lettuce - I think it tastes good, and I can have a salad with that. Someone suggested mixed greens - what would that looked like? I looked at all the lettuces at the store and didn't see anything labeled mixed greens. But it gives me hope how you say it will get better with time. What all veggies do you all find delish?

Fruits is high up in the rung! I used to think I was doing myself a favor by having some fruit everyday. Guess not. :(

No fruit, no whole wheat bread? Wow, these are like things that I love. But I'm willing to sacrifice them for a smaller body. I actually here that your cravings for these things go down once you don't eat them for a while.

I have to check out Linda's recipes. I took a quick glance and there seems to be a lot there. And I like how she gives the calorie and carb count.

Thanks so much everyone. *hugs*

And thanks Sandyfanny for telling me that I can do this. It helps me feel like I can! I haven't had any veggies today but I had a hamburger from Hardee's (without bun) with bacon and cheese. But that's all I had for today. :( Going have to put together a big salad with some cucumbers on the side to get my veggie carbs in!

JerseyGyrl
07-26-2012, 06:29 PM
JerseyGyrl, some of the stuff you said disheartened me somewhat. No grains?! I love whole wheat bread with a little peanut butter. And no fruit?! Like to buy one of those melody cups of fruit from Krogers. But I must say, that salad you had last night sure sounded delish!



Jamie, I wasn't implying YOU can't eat grains or fruit. For me, I feel those things are too high in carbs and I have learned I can live without them. That being said, grains & fruits are permitted on Atkins during OWL. I personally would be very cautious of them, particularly the grains.
As for veggies, I've learned to enjoy them....spinach, zucchini, green beans, brussel sprouts, yellow squash, cauliflower, broccoli. The beauty of Atkins is that you can enjoy your veggies with real butter & cheese! I never thought I'd touch cauliflower until I tried the "Just Like Stuffed Baked Potatoes" and "Faux Mashed Potatoes" from Linda's Low Carb recipes. They are to die for! I don't miss the real potatoes at all. I really urge you to give that site a good look, I'm SURE you can find lots of things there you will enjoy:)
There is a huge difference in doing Atkins just to lose excess weight and in making it a lifestyle for the rest of your life. That goes for any weight loss plan, not just Atkins. Returning to old habits will quickly get you back to where you started. Establishing a new lifestyle and incorporating it into your everyday life will reward you with more energy, better health and a slimmer body!
All the best to you!!
You CAN do this!!!:)

TiffNeedsChange
07-26-2012, 06:34 PM
Sandyfanny- I hope that your time with your friend isn't too challenging! Good thing you have a plan!

Jamie-mixed greens are sold in plastic tubs (square or rectangle) in the produce refrigerator section. My favorite are Dole's spring mix/mixed greens they are usually the freshest and have the best texture. Romaine lettuce hearts are pretty good-especially with grilled chicken, shredded parmesean, and ceasar dressing. You can do this! Don't get discouraged because eventually (depending on how you tolerate them you can have fruit and whole grains in small quantities (likely after you've reached your goal weight), what works for jerseygirl may not be what works for you.

JerseyGyrl
07-26-2012, 07:15 PM
Tiff's post got me to remembering a delicious salad I had at a pub in Lancaster, PA. It was romaine hearts that were lightly grilled, topped with grilled chicken, roasted red peppers, chunks of avacado, crispy bacon pieces and creamy parmesan-peppercorn dressing. It was delish!
I also wanted to mention in addition to reading Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution (2002 & prior versions), you may want to check out Good Calories,Bad Calories....Why We Get Fat....and...Wheat Belly. All are excellent and will give you a better understanding of the low carb lifestyle.
Finding what works for you is key. Never give up, you can accomplish your goals!!
All the best to you!:)

jamie26301
07-26-2012, 07:17 PM
I was aware that maybe I could eat fruits and grains - years ago when I lost weight, I ate those things. I wasn't trying any particular diet, just eating healthy. I hope I can tolerate them later on!

I have seen the mixed greens you described. :) I do like romaine, I have eaten that before, it's just that I'm on a fixed income and it seemed that a head of iceberg over time would be cheaper, and cheaper than buying mixed greens. But I guess I can try it eventually. What is the carb count on mixed greens? 1.5 per two cups right?

I know we're all different. :) And I hope that Atkins works for me, because it's not for everyone, but it seems to work for many. I'm spacing out two salads tonight with what I have in the fridge: two cups iceberg, 1/4 red bell pepper, 1/4 button mushrooms, and 1/4 onions. That brings my veggie carbs to about 17. And I'll just skimp on the cheese today.

jamie26301
07-26-2012, 07:21 PM
Jersygyrl - I have Why We Get Fat, but I went straight to the chapter on what to eat. And I have The New Atkins for the New You, which I've read the chapters in it on how low-carb diets work. Is New Atkins not on par with Dr. Atkins 2002 book?

By the way, the meal you had in PA sounds good! I've never tried grilling lettuce, but I think I will!

JerseyGyrl
07-26-2012, 07:47 PM
Jersygyrl - I have Why We Get Fat, but I went straight to the chapter on what to eat. And I have The New Atkins for the New You, which I've read the chapters in it on how low-carb diets work. Is New Atkins not on par with Dr. Atkins 2002 book?

By the way, the meal you had in PA sounds good! I've never tried grilling lettuce, but I think I will!

Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution (2002 & prior) was written by Dr. Atkins himself.....The New Atkins for the New You, was not. Sadly, it hasn't remained true to the way Dr. Atkins himself wrote it. Thats why if anyone asks, I always recommend Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution:)
I've never grilled lettuce either.....or.....even thought of it....but, it really was quite tasty.

jamie26301
07-26-2012, 08:25 PM
Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution (2002 & prior) was written by Dr. Atkins himself.....The New Atkins for the New You, was not. Sadly, it hasn't remained true to the way Dr. Atkins himself wrote it. Thats why if anyone asks, I always recommend Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution:)


How has it not remained true? Is the methods different? Or it's just not worded quite the same way?

JerseyGyrl
07-26-2012, 09:00 PM
How has it not remained true? Is the methods different? Or it's just not worded quite the same way?

I think the main things that come to mind are, eating 2 cups of cooked, non-starchy veggies plus 6 cups of leafy greens per day during Induction. I don't particularly feel this is a bad thing, just different from what Dr. Atkins instructed. New Atkins for a New You also says no exercise is required in the initial phase of Atkins and recmmends waiting to incorporate regular exercise in the later phases. This is contradictory to Dr. Atkins philosophy.
Then of course, there are those Atkins products advertised as being appropriate for all phases of Atkins.
While the New Atkins for the New You certainly has its good points, it is no substitution for what Dr. Atkins himself wrote & recommended.

TiffNeedsChange
07-26-2012, 09:29 PM
I definitely agree that exercise is non-negotiable in all phases! That salad you posted (jerseygirl) sounds great! As far as the cost vs benefit of lettuce types-iceberg is pretty empty nutrition wise, the romaine, mixed greens or baby spinach are better. I got atleast 6 decent sized salads out of 1the dole rectangular spring mix greens for about $3.50... to cut costs and increase nutrition you could mix iceberg with a more nutrient dense green.

jamie26301
07-26-2012, 09:34 PM
I got atleast 6 decent sized salads out of 1the dole rectangular spring mix greens for about $3.50... to cut costs and increase nutrition you could mix iceberg with a more nutrient dense green.

Great idea!

Do you think you can lose weight on Atkins without exercise? I want to lose a few pounds before I get back into it.

JerseyGyrl
07-26-2012, 09:49 PM
Do you think you can lose weight on Atkins without exercise? I want to lose a few pounds before I get back into it.

Yes, you can lose weight on Atkins without exercise....but.....as Dr. Atkins said, it is not negotiable.
I will be honest, I've never been a believer in excessive exercise. I enjoy walking and I enjoy the Walk Away The Pounds dvd's. They are easy to follow and some incorporate light weights and stretchy bands. The workouts go pretty quickly, before you know it, you're done.
The key about exercise is to find something you enjoy, do it & stick with it!:)

jamie26301
07-26-2012, 10:09 PM
Yes, you can lose weight on Atkins without exercise....but.....as Dr. Atkins said, it is not negotiable.
I will be honest, I've never been a believer in excessive exercise. I enjoy walking and I enjoy the Walk Away The Pounds dvd's. They are easy to follow and some incorporate light weights and stretchy bands. The workouts go pretty quickly, before you know it, you're done.
The key about exercise is to find something you enjoy, do it & stick with it!:)

I have the Walk Away the Pounds too! Love it. I've just been lazy lately. I used to walk miles a day.

When I go back to school (August 20) in between classes I plan to hop on the treadmil and listen to my lectures.

TiffNeedsChange
07-28-2012, 12:23 AM
Definitely start slow and steady with the exercise to decrease the chance of injuring yourself. I went from being a couch potato to doing "bootcamp" exercise group and hurt myself permanently so starting slow and buding up will help. I have to admit some days when I am tired or my feet/ankles (what I injuredI last year) are hurting too bad I do some cleaning ad a little playing with my son for exercise, if I am in a lot of pain I do some "get fit while you sit"for exercises (I am not allowed to walk for exercise so I have to improvise.