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bowncn
07-17-2012, 10:20 PM
i have currently been on IP for 2 weeks. my first week did great. lost 5 lbs. second week i only lost 2lbs no inches. i had a home made hamburger at someone's party. my counselor said this is the reason. she asked me if i wanted to go off the diet and was not taking it seriously. i also asked if there was any way i could have a drink at a wedding this weekend and she said no. i am so frustrated and down over all of this. she says i should be losing more weight.
i am currently 34 years old and 6 months postpartum with 2 young kids and want to lose 25 lbs. i was 158lb and currently 152lbs. she is not helping me to figure out why i'm not losing the weight.
i came home after my weigh in was in tears all day. this is so frustrating. every week i go in, its something else i have managed to screw up. there is no compassion from the counsellor at all. please give me advice. i don't want to keep paying 100's of dollars to get no where.

thank you:(


freelancemomma
07-17-2012, 10:25 PM
Your "counsellor" sounds a little loopy if she thinks one homemade hamburger will derail weight loss. Not that it derailed you -- you lost 2 pounds that week!

<<I also asked if there was any way i could have a drink at a wedding this weekend and she said no.>>

Is she your mother? Are you a child? Why do you need her permission?

Please remember that YOU'RE in charge of your eating plan. If IP works for you, great. If it doesn't, there's no law against switching to another plan. I should tell you that I don't restrict my food choices at all, have lots of carbs, and drink wine almost every day -- and none of this has stopped me from losing 55 pounds last year and maintaining the loss. The only thing I've done is limit portions (most of the time).

If you go week after week without losing, I suggest you examine the total QUANTITY of food you're eating and not worry about nonsense like homemade hamburgers. Over time, if you eat fewer calories than your body needs for fuel, you will lose weight.

HTH Freelance

LockItUp
07-17-2012, 10:37 PM
Idk what IP is exactly, but specific diets don't work for me! I don't think one has to miss out on a hamburger or a drink at a wedding in order to successfully lose weight.

You lost 7 pounds in 2 weeks. THAT'S A LOT! If you are in a calorie deficit you WILL lose weight, simple as that. It may not be reflecting on the scale at this very moment, but it will. Keep at it, the scale will show your work, it has no choice. Your "counselor" wants to blame something for your lack of weight loss when there may not be anything to blame at all. Sounds like a crappy counselor to me. Discouraging clients and shaming them is bad in my book.

Keep your head up, and have that drink at that wedding!!!


Brid
07-18-2012, 07:16 AM
Have a drink at the wedding, just be sensible and don't have a dozen.

Seven pounds in a fortnight is fantastic! A counsellor that makes you feel guilty when you're doing the best you can, and bullies you into making healthy choices rather than supporting you is NOT fantastic, however. If I were you I'd look into finding a different counsellor.

bowncn
07-18-2012, 08:03 AM
thanks ladies for your support. i needed it. she is the only counsellor there. i will try to stick through this.

4star
07-18-2012, 10:53 AM
Yes, IP does seem very restrictive. I incorporated their high protein theory into calorie counting for flexibility b/c my stomach doesn't do well supplementing protein powders. Some people love it, some people just white-knuckle it through that diet until they eventually get to the phase where you eat more and more normal foods and less shakes and powders. It does seem by what people report that if you do have a slip-up on fairly minor things that it derails the loss. Do you really need something so strict? Do you need rapid loss to prevent a medical calamity? Is there a reason you are doing something so restrictive to lose 25 lbs?

bowncn
07-18-2012, 11:22 AM
Yes, IP does seem very restrictive. I incorporated their high protein theory into calorie counting for flexibility b/c my stomach doesn't do well supplementing protein powders. Some people love it, some people just white-knuckle it through that diet until they eventually get to the phase where you eat more and more normal foods and less shakes and powders. It does seem by what people report that if you do have a slip-up on fairly minor things that it derails the loss. Do you really need something so strict? Do you need rapid loss to prevent a medical calamity? Is there a reason you are doing something so restrictive to lose 25 lbs?

no i'm trying to lose the baby weight i can't get off. which is 25lbs. i don't want to keep paying $100 a week to lose 2 lbs and be so strict.

freelancemomma
07-18-2012, 11:27 AM
i don't want to keep paying $100 a week to lose 2 lbs and be so strict.

$100 per week! You can lose weight just as easily for free, either by researching/following IP on your own or by simply counting calories.

F.

sontaikle
07-18-2012, 11:31 AM
no i'm trying to lose the baby weight i can't get off. which is 25lbs. i don't want to keep paying $100 a week to lose 2 lbs and be so strict.

Then don't! That's crazy!

Do a bit of research and see if there are other plans that appeal to you. There are so many FREE resources here on the internet.

Also, 2lbs a week is a WONDERFUL pace to be losing weight at, especially if you have 25lbs to lose.

4star
07-18-2012, 11:38 AM
Have you tried other plans like calorie counting? That is a very expensive way to lose the baby weight. $100 a week is pricey for one person. Let me guess, that's just the products, not actually what else you need too like green leafy veggies....

I have heard of people having coffee, their counselor blaming that for their lack of loss, and saying they had to start all over again. That pretty much turned me off. I have lost lots of weight now and in the past and never had to be that restrictive. I know that the metabolic plan people also aren't allowed caffeine either. It's quite baffling to me b/c fat or thin, calories affected my loss, never caffeine. :shrug:

What else have you tried besides IP?

bowncn
07-18-2012, 11:38 AM
Then don't! That's crazy!

Do a bit of research and see if there are other plans that appeal to you. There are so many FREE resources here on the internet.

Also, 2lbs a week is a WONDERFUL pace to be losing weight at, especially if you have 25lbs to lose.

do you know off hand any resources online or how to the phases would work?

Eydawn
07-18-2012, 11:58 AM
Man, that kind of negative reinforcement is just sabotaging you. Time to quit paying a "counselor" a *lot* of money to abuse you. It's not as if you will "never" lose the weight if you lose it more slowly... off is off, right? It doesn't have to be all at once. You had a whole 10 months to gain that weight to support your baby! Be kind to yourself.

Try hopping over to the Ideal Protein subforum and see if folks have materials they can give you... Google's a minefield on this one.

--Wendy

Garnet2727
07-18-2012, 12:02 PM
Two free resources that I use to count calories are Spark People and My Fitness Pal. Google them and then go poking around the websites. I know people who have had success with both and...well...$100 a week? No, no, no.

Even my primary weight loss tool, Weight Watchers, doesn't cost that much.

bowncn
07-18-2012, 12:24 PM
Two free resources that I use to count calories are Spark People and My Fitness Pal. Google them and then go poking around the websites. I know people who have had success with both and...well...$100 a week? No, no, no.

Even my primary weight loss tool, Weight Watchers, doesn't cost that much.

thanks ladies. you guys are awesome at making me feel better.thanks for all the advice.

4star
07-18-2012, 12:30 PM
You might try freedieting.com and use their calculators to figure out how many cals you'd need to lose weight. Then you could use whatever ratio works well for you. I do well with 40% Carb/30% protein/30% fat approx. some people do/feel better with different ratios, depends on your body. Just work on finding your sweet spot that isn't too drastic but still lets you meet with good result. It really depends on what you want to try though b/c many people don't want to do the measuring and math of calorie counting.

I am sure you'll find information on this site on whatever plan you'd like to try, as long as it isn't harmful.

JohnP
07-18-2012, 01:16 PM
Part of the reason the IP diet works is because you pay so much money you're heavily invested in sticking to the program...

What I don't like about the IP program is that it does not educate dieters on how fat loss works instead it tells them that ketosis is the key to losing weight as it lets your pancreas rest. I'm not making this up folks.

Anyways to the OP I would advise you to educate yourself. You may want to stick with the IP program or you may not but if you want to lose weight and keep it off educating yourself about how fat loss works and more importantly how YOUR body functions in regards to different foods is key.

Goodluck.

envelope
07-18-2012, 01:28 PM
I use a combination of myfitnesspal, freedieting, a fancy pedometer called a fitbit (bodymediafit and bodybugg are pretty cool options too) and the support here on 3fatchicks for my weight loss. I can tell you that when I count my calories and come here for support I lose weight on a regular basis...now I am not saying the scale goes down every week. Sometimes the scale irritates me bc I know that it owes me a few pounds, but if I keep going at it I get a nice woosh and the scale drops down to where I know it should be.

bowncn
07-18-2012, 02:51 PM
Part of the reason the IP diet works is because you pay so much money you're heavily invested in sticking to the program...

What I don't like about the IP program is that it does not educate dieters on how fat loss works instead it tells them that ketosis is the key to losing weight as it lets your pancreas rest. I'm not making this up folks.

Anyways to the OP I would advise you to educate yourself. You may want to stick with the IP program or you may not but if you want to lose weight and keep it off educating yourself about how fat loss works and more importantly how YOUR body functions in regards to different foods is key.

Goodluck.

hi john, this is why i have been so worried. i am familiar with ketosis and i feel if i did that small of a screw up or a vodka water. will my body completely go out of ketosis and start all over again from the beginning. not understanding this diet that well. why do you need to stay in ketosis till 80% of your diet goal is reached with only protein and 2c. of vegetable. seems a bit difficult don't you think.

Arctic Mama
07-18-2012, 03:53 PM
Even if you go out of keto, you can get right back in with two or three days of moderate to high fat, moderate protein, and very low carb eating. I promises it isn't the end of the world :)

Also, once the body is well adapted to ketosis I have found I go back into it much easier and more quickly.

bowncn
07-18-2012, 04:01 PM
so what your telling me is if i have one drink i go out of keto and have lost 3 days? that is what the counsellor says to me.

freelancemomma
07-18-2012, 04:42 PM
Part of the reason the IP diet works is because you pay so much money you're heavily invested in sticking to the program...


Exactly.


What I don't like about the IP program is that it does not educate dieters on how fat loss works instead it tells them that ketosis is the key to losing weight as it lets your pancreas rest.

This whole idea that our organs need a "rest" doesn't make much sense. Do our hearts need a rest from beating? Do our lungs need a rest from breathing? The reason people develop diabetes is not because their pancreases don't get a needed rest, but because they develop insulin resistance (often due to excess weight) or have predisposing genes.

freelancemomma
07-18-2012, 04:44 PM
so what your telling me is if i have one drink i go out of keto and have lost 3 days? that is what the counsellor says to me.

Going out of ketosis doesn't mean you've "lost" any weight-loss days if you've been eating at a caloric deficit the whole time.

F.

bowncn
07-18-2012, 04:49 PM
not sure why i'm barely losing weight if i am following the diet exactly. the first week i lost 5 lbs. and she stated thats why i didnt the next week. not getting her .

CassiR
07-18-2012, 05:13 PM
I did IP Feb through May. I lost an average of 1.5lbs per week. I had about 30 lbs to lose. Some weeks I lost 2-3 lbs and some weeks I gained. Yes, gained. Being 100% on program.

A ketogenic diet does not mean you will lose more weight on a regular basis faster than any other diet. People get misinformed because of the big loss the first week. That loss is mainly your body getting rid of water weight that was previously needed to help digest carbs. Now since you are not eating carbs you no longer need that extra water. Hense a bigger loss. After that first week a 1-3lb loss is the norm for women.

People secret insulin when they think about food. It happens no matter what we do. It's about being human. Your pancreas never really rests. It's not used as much as before but it is still being used.

After phasing out of the diet I found that I was way more sensitive to carbs. I didn't like this. Not that I wanted to go back to eating the way I did before but having 1/2 a cup of rice at dinner made the scale go up. I then switched from IP to calorie counting/whole foods and now my body is getting back to normal. I'm no longer super sensitive to sugar or carbs.

It's a big decision to keep paying hundreds of dollars for a program where you can lose the same amount of weight for free. 2 lbs a week on IP is normal, check the IP board. Many people lose the same not on a ketogenic diet and just having a calorie deficit. Would I rather feel uber restricted (700-900 calories) and pay tons of money or have what i want in moderation (1200-1300 calories) for free with the same loss? It became clear to me after spending over $1000.

sontaikle
07-18-2012, 05:54 PM
Any diet plan is ultimately about restricting calories. Usually anything low carb/high protein eliminates the calorie-dense items the dieter was previously eating and replaces them with filling proteins that fill them up on less calories.

People have gained weight on these kinds of diets, simply because you can't eat everything in sight (even if your carbs are low) and lose or maintain your weight.

There are other benefits to a low carb diet that go beyond weight loss. Generally it's easier to stay satiated, for example.

You can eat twinkies all day and lose weight (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=professor%20twinkie%20diet&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFcQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2010%2FHEALTH%2F11% 2F08%2Ftwinkie.diet.professor%2Findex.html&ei=1SEHUN3kIPDI0AHE_ci0CA&usg=AFQjCNF8nroxUdhawuZ7YNql4quBXtCDbw) if you wanted to. It's not the best idea because you'll probably feel like crap and feel hungry all the time, but it can still be done.


I strictly counted calories to lose most of my weight. When I started weight training more I adopted a high protein diet, but I still lost weight just eating whatever I wanted (including pizza, fast food, etc.) because I watched my portion sizes. That worked for me, but it may not necessarily work for you. I honestly didn't use much more than google during my weight loss: I would just google: "calories in x" to find the information I needed from different sites.

bowncn
07-18-2012, 06:22 PM
I did IP Feb through May. I lost an average of 1.5lbs per week. I had about 30 lbs to lose. Some weeks I lost 2-3 lbs and some weeks I gained. Yes, gained. Being 100% on program.

A ketogenic diet does not mean you will lose more weight on a regular basis faster than any other diet. People get misinformed because of the big loss the first week. That loss is mainly your body getting rid of water weight that was previously needed to help digest carbs. Now since you are not eating carbs you no longer need that extra water. Hense a bigger loss. After that first week a 1-3lb loss is the norm for women.

People secret insulin when they think about food. It happens no matter what we do. It's about being human. Your pancreas never really rests. It's not used as much as before but it is still being used.

After phasing out of the diet I found that I was way more sensitive to carbs. I didn't like this. Not that I wanted to go back to eating the way I did before but having 1/2 a cup of rice at dinner made the scale go up. I then switched from IP to calorie counting/whole foods and now my body is getting back to normal. I'm no longer super sensitive to sugar or carbs.

It's a big decision to keep paying hundreds of dollars for a program where you can lose the same amount of weight for free. 2 lbs a week on IP is normal, check the IP board. Many people lose the same not on a ketogenic diet and just having a calorie deficit. Would I rather feel uber restricted (700-900 calories) and pay tons of money or have what i want in moderation (1200-1300 calories) for free with the same loss? It became clear to me after spending over $1000.

thanks so much for helping me with this. if you don't mind , i'm kinda clueless to this diet thing. can you tell me a bit about how you went about calorie counting and the whole dieting or regular eating in life. thanks so much.

Arctic Mama
07-18-2012, 06:25 PM
I never said you'd lose three days of weight progress, I said it would take three days to get back into ketosis, as that is the average time it takes for the metabolism to change up it's preferential fuel, again. That is completely independent of what your weight may actually be doing.

I highly, HIGHLY suggest you read up on ketosis and get your hands on as much information as possible, as you seem to be doing a diet without understand the nutrition or physiology involved in it. Atkins New Diet Revolution is good, the Perfect Health Diet is excellent, many different ways of eating utilize ketosis or ketogenic fasts and explain the science behind it (or in the case of the Perfect Health Diet, why you may not want to persist in long term ketosis unless the health benefits outweigh the disadvantages, it depends on the person).

Do a bunch of reading and pick a plan. If you want to stick to Ideal Protein then do, but do stop wasting money to have someone berate you instead of educating you. I'd say 90% of the successful maintainers around this site, myself included, are doing free programs with no centers or support. There's some weightwatchers, JC/nutrisystem peeps, and yes, IP. But I don't think it is a coincidence that those who are keeping it off aren't paying for food or support. Just something to think about :)

bowncn
07-18-2012, 06:29 PM
[QUOTE=sontaikle;4409496]Any diet plan is ultimately about restricting calories. Usually anything low carb/high protein eliminates the calorie-dense items the dieter was previously eating and replaces them with filling proteins that fill them up on less calories.

People have gained weight on these kinds of diets, simply because you can't eat everything in sight (even if your carbs are low) and lose or maintain your weight.
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thanks so much. i generally don't eat alot in general. just trying to get baby weight off. any advice on calories and protein would be awesome. thanks so much.

CassiR
07-18-2012, 10:20 PM
it's really about what works for you. Everyone is different. I liked that I started with IP because it gave me structure. Now, I feel i'm able to handle this weight loss thing on my own. So far anyways, and with the help of this site among others :) And I wanted to do something more long term and sustainable. IP recommends buying their food for snacks when you get to maintenance. It's not needed but of course they recommend it.

Like Arctic said, read up on the plans and find what's right for you.

If you want to look more into calorie counting i'd suggest going to a site like my fitnesspal and make an account with them. They'll suggest a calorie allotment for you and that's where you will log all your food. They even have an app for smartphones. You can still do low carb on a calorie counting diet. Many people feel better when they limit their carbs and find they have less cravings. It's all up to you :)

You don't have that much weight to lose and we are all here to help :) And congrats on the little one!!

freelancemomma
07-19-2012, 01:28 AM
any advice on calories and protein would be awesome. thanks so much.

I think you're making this way too complicated. Just eat less. If you don't lose any weight after several weeks (highly doubtful), eat a little less than that. And so on.

You can find the caloric contents of any food by Googling the food + calories.

Freelance

LaurieDawn
07-19-2012, 01:46 AM
I second the recommendation for SparkPeople or FitDay. Either one of these programs (which you can also use on a SmartPhone) will track calories, your macronutrients (protein, fat, and carbs), and your micronutrients (vitamins and minerals). Then just log what you eat and track weight and measurements. Learn from the calorie-counting folks, who can educate you about calorie floors, etc. Lots and lots and lots of diets and theories out there, and if simple calorie counting doesn't work for you (and it does for many, many people), start worrying then about playing with macronutrients or trying to follow the recommendations of a particular diet. You may also investigate weight lifting (a newfound passion of mine) and other exercise options.

bowncn
07-19-2012, 03:33 PM
thanks everyone for the great support

biggirl86
07-19-2012, 05:29 PM
I was on IP, a couple yrs ago and lost 40lbs, gained it back, and now I regreted spending that kind of money on something I realized I could do on my own with IP compatibles I could find at my local supermarket much cheaper, and my low carb yummie recepies. That diet does work, but its not for everyone, and is too strict and too expensive, you can still do low carb and lose as much on your own a burger would not kick you out of ketosis, and as long as you keep your carbs down you should lose. Your coach is another story, many of these "coaches" dont have any knowledge about nutrition, and therefore cant answer certain questions, they are just money making machines. I will suggest you to find out more about low carbing, Ip compatibles, and make your own recepies its working for me, and for many x-Ip folks, Good Luck.

camper67
07-19-2012, 06:36 PM
I agree with what others have said here. 100 a week is very expensive. I lost 57 lbs just counting calories and excersizing. I did not restrict any foods, I just counted each calorie. There are lots of people here that can help you if you choose to try that.