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Ishbel
07-10-2012, 01:34 PM
OK,

I just did it, I've been wishing someone to do it...but no one heard my wishes lol So if someone had their heart set on starting the thread, sorry! :)

maile I've been stirfrying my veggies, garlic, onion, sweet red peppers and broccoli...with some braggs soy sauce and low sugar stirfry sauce. I'm addicted to it right now, not ready to give it up...I think it's cause I went so long without onions.

So I ended up visiting with the gent that was so hard on me (posted a few weeks ago about it). I told him that I knew he was coming from a place of kindness/convern with his comments on my weight but that what he said really REALLY cut deep and sometimes it's hard not to discount all the positives with one small negative. That I know he's concerned but for REAL I'm doing ok and my doc is very happy with me and his comments really make me feel that he's disregarding all the hard work I did just to get where I am.

He was very VERY sorry and said he felt terrible. At the end of the conversation he gave me a hug, so I let him (we are actually co-workers/friends)...and I said "it's ok, lets not talk about it ever again ok?"

I feel better now, it's been 'weighing' on me for a while....thought I'd share that with you guys :)


purple sky
07-10-2012, 03:32 PM
Yayyyy, I've been waiting for a new thread. Fresh start. So many are going to be moving into maintenance.

Here is a pancake recipe I liked. I don't know the nutritional information but basically it has brown rice flour, coconut flour and eggs. It tastes eggie but is pretty close to pancakes. This is different from the protein pancakes I believe I posted before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFf94XcO3Po

For either pancakes I use the WF syrup or sometimes I crush berries and squeeze orange over it with optional stevia depending on how sweet the fruit is.

Ishbel, so glad things worked out with dude. He must not have been aware of what he was saying. Going forward, hopefully, he will be more sensitive with you and others.

cajunladybug22
07-10-2012, 03:34 PM
Thanks for starting the new thread!


Momto2cs
07-10-2012, 10:11 PM
Holy. Lots of new threads today.

Pxlkitty4
07-11-2012, 08:32 AM
maile I've been stirfrying my veggies, garlic, onion, sweet red peppers and broccoli...with some braggs soy sauce and low sugar stirfry sauce. I'm addicted to it right now, not ready to give it up...I think it's cause I went so long without onions.


Broccoli works well when steamed and then tossed with a little lemon, salt, pepper, and Parmesan cheese. I don't microwave mine. I like it steamed in a stovetop steamer. A tiny bit of butter helps too. :)

Busymomx4
07-11-2012, 09:11 AM
Good morning,

Thanks for starting a new thread Ishbel :)

So on top of the 2lbs i was up, lets add another 1.4...not sure what's going on, only thing i did different this week was my veggie soup so i'll stop that for now and today i'm doing a phase 3 day and we'll see where i'm at tomorrow. I really don't want to have my cheat day being up a few lbs. Maybe its my phase 3 gain that is delayed, lol.

Have a great day :)

bigpassport
07-11-2012, 09:32 AM
I feel better now, it's been 'weighing' on me for a while....thought I'd share that with you guys :)

I'm so proud of you for sticking up for yourself! And glad to hear he received it well. You two will probably have a better relationship as a result.

Maile
07-11-2012, 10:49 AM
Ishbel: That is great that you stuck up for yourself and confronted they guy. I bet you feel much better and that this will keep the guy quiet!
what brand of low sugar stir fry are you using?

Thanks everyone for the broccoli advice. I am going to try smaller pieces and steaming. I think microwaving it was not working. I like the idea of using tamari and sesami oil..or sprinkling parmesean and lemon juice. I am sure the butter would help, Pixl!!!!

By the way I just discovered from Kayln's kitchen ..an easy marinade for grilled vegetables. Just get Paul Newman's oil and vinegar dressing..add a tsp or so of oregano or any spice..It is great on mushrooms, onions, peppers.

Busymom: Hopefully Phase 3 will work on those 3 pounds!

Off to another hot day and out to lunch with friends!

Momto2cs
07-11-2012, 11:38 AM
I love tossing chopped Zuchinni with newmans own and grilling it.

I have used newmans own as my salad dressing throughout ip. I am too lazy to make my own every day...

purple sky
07-11-2012, 12:26 PM
Lemon and lime lift a lot of foods that may be dull or heavy. Sometimes I squeeze a bit on steak.

Busymomx4
Could it be TOM? Do you think it was some of the ingredients in your soup? Sometimes it is hard to figure out.

Busymomx4
07-11-2012, 01:19 PM
Busymomx4
Could it be TOM? Do you think it was some of the ingredients in your soup? Sometimes it is hard to figure out.

The only thing i can think of with the soup is salt, so i'll stop it and we'll see.

TOM is ''supposed'' to show up this week-end, i say supposed cause i skipped a month last month (for the first time ever in my life). Hopefully the gain is from that.

Ishbel
07-11-2012, 07:34 PM
Mails I use kikkoman oyster sauce, 1 tbsp has 4 grams of sugar...some of them are 12 or even 18... Just gives it a little flavor.

Pxl I'll try the lemon and steamed one day. :) thanks for the tip on the sprinkle of cheese

****

Bout the dude...apparently he told the girl who witnessed it that he felt terrible but his sister had lost a lot of weight like me and then got very sick...which doesn't make it right and I still would have confronted him and I do believe I was gentle about it....I felt better doing it so I guess that's what matters.

I work on not letting one negative discount all positives...I work on it in all aspects of my life, not just weight related. I actually wrote another list down of all the things that I have to remember when someone makes a negative comment...

"it's their xxxx" - sister
"the lioness never pays attention to the barking of hyenas" - friend (love love love that one!)

Many others, but I made the list and printed it out...so that I don't have to repeat the same situation to my supporters, I can just read what they've already told me (if it happens again). Saves a lot of time and I find if I repeat my issues to a few people, even if they are close to me, I tend to get a headache and don't release the negative as quickly as I could if I just digested it and released it.

purple sky
07-12-2012, 02:16 AM
And my fav.

"Don't let 'em steal your joy"

Busymomx4
07-12-2012, 09:41 AM
Good morning,

Ishbel - so glad you were able to clear the air and understand more when he was coming from, but doesn't mean it was ok for him to talk to you that way. Glad the strain is all but gone :)

So doing a phase 3 helped, down 1.6 this morning. Still doing a phase 3 today and will see where i'm at in the morning to decide what i'm doing tomorrow. At least i'm under 150 so even if i'm at that weight for cheat day, i'm ok with that. I feel SOOO much better and happy that there's always something to fall back on vs stressing out.

Have a great day :)

Maile
07-12-2012, 09:43 AM
Momto2cs: I like it on zucchini also. I am getting lazy also in the summer and like have the ready made marinade to dump on!
Ishbel: I had forgotten about oyster sauce...good idea. Also writing down thoughts to counteract negativity is a good idea. I like that lion not paying attention to the barking of hyenas also..Negative people are just like hyenas.

PurpleSky: Don't let them steal your joy is a keeper..and made me smile.

Busymom: Are you having any luck with getting rid of the soup?

Paint Lady
07-12-2012, 04:28 PM
Hi guys! It's been a while since I've been on here. Summer is so busy for me. Kids are home and my oldest plays baseball most of the summer. I'm still maintaining my weight loss, just not thinking about it as much. I guess it would be better to say that I'm not stressing about it anymore. I know what I can eat and maintain, and I know what to do if I deviate and gain a few. Thank goodness for phase 1. I guess eating healthier has finally become a habit. Don't get me wrong, I have a weakness for chocolate and especially raw cookie dough, but I just make sure I keep the supply here to a minimum, just enough for a decent cheat day. The kids and their friends eat whatever is left, so not nearly as much temptation. I hope everyone is doing well and I guess I'll be back regularly once school starts. Keep strong!

Lone Loser
07-12-2012, 06:41 PM
Malie: I think I am older than you..but even now and then do something crazy like weigh myself in the middle of the night! I'm 55 -- but you don't have to share that. Actually I think it's pretty sweet that I have a waist again -- we've been told too often that once you are of a certain age that you can't lose weight. I even went into Meno Paws about eight months ago. MP has not impacted my weight -- eating carbs impacted it plenty. Still obsessing over weighing myself every morning -- I doubt that will stop -- that's just me.

Purple Sky -- I entered P3 (during reboot) last Friday and I went P4 this morning -- too bloated from the things I was eating for breakfast. And I just didn't feel good -- nodding off during the day at work (bad) and really grouchy at night (bad) -- getting really sleepy at around 8:00 at night. I was not that way during P1 and P2.

So -- P4 -- here I am again. We'll see how long I can keep it going. . . Didn't want to do reboot during the summer -- but, is there ever a good time to do a reboot? There is either a holiday or birthday or some other thing going on. =)

SaraBean
07-12-2012, 07:35 PM
Hi everyone!!! Its been awhile since I posted :) its my field season at work so I have been working long hours on boats.... I have managed to keep up with eating healthy even though at first it was awkward to whip out a salad while everyone else is eating sandwiches!

Excited to try to keep up with this new volume :)

New Englander
07-12-2012, 09:05 PM
Hi, I too have been away for quite some time...I've been doing fairly well on Maintenance. Maybe a few pounds over my comfort zone, and I think it's because I've had many activities to attend and wasn't giving myself at least 5 days between "fun" days...oops...I was going from fun day to P1 and back to fun day every few days...that went on for a week and now I'm getting back on track...

I'm not a big eater, drinker at Thanksgiving/Xmas and New years time so I'm thinking summer may be my weakness... :)

Be well and can't wait to keep reading how everyone's doing!

Ishbel
07-13-2012, 11:01 AM
lone loser :yay: for doing a reboot...how long have you been in maintenance? When did you say "ok that's enough" and decide to do the reboot? (if you don't mind my questions that is!) :)

So, apparently I'm not eating enough 158 yesterday morning...so I reviewed my food diary and noticed that I was eating slightly less carbs and calories, sitting at an average of 1500 this week...SO, adapt and overcome. I'll try to figure something out next week. I also ate a lot of chicken this week because I made the same amount I usually do but the VIP isn't here to eat his share. mmmmmm jerk chicken...I'm in love with it!

VIP and I facetimed last night at 1130 so I'm super exhausted today and find it difficult to concentrate...ugh I can't wait to sleep in tomorrow.

Hope everyone has a great day!

SaraBean
07-13-2012, 11:14 AM
I'm not a big eater, drinker at Thanksgiving/Xmas and New years time so I'm thinking summer may be my weakness... :)


The summer time is DEFINITELY my big weekness too! I love sitting at the beach with a cocktail and grilling! I have been looking up healthy recipes for the grill. My new favorites is salmon burgers! YUM!!!!

:cbg:

New Englander
07-13-2012, 11:32 AM
The summer time is DEFINITELY my big weekness too! I love sitting at the beach with a cocktail and grilling! I have been looking up healthy recipes for the grill. My new favorites is salmon burgers! YUM!!!!

:cbg:
I need to get back in touch with healthier options so my non-fun days are more enjoyable. I've never gone through all the stickies recipe threads and need to give it a look over... :) Enjoy your beach time!

Lone Loser
07-13-2012, 09:21 PM
Ishbel -- I decided to do the reboot after about a year (almost to the day) that I started IP . . . and . . . after I had gained about 13 pounds. It took a little while to talk myself into it -- I was actually afraid that the weight wouldn't come off and I just dreaded going on P1 again. But it wasn't that bad -- I "eased" into it by cutting my coffee back and eating less carbs for about a week before I started the reboot. I also wasn't sick this time -- I was really sick for about three days when I started IP the first time.

It took me three weeks on P1 to get to the point where I was ready to go to P2 -- (I blew it during the first week by going to a restaurant that was anything but IP friendly and I caved -- so I started P1 again for two weeks).

It's really a personal choice when you decide to reboot -- but, it's nothing to dread. It's supposed to only be two weeks in each phase until you reach maintenance.

For whatever reason, I just didn't handle P3 very well -- only did that for a week.

Hope that helps and wasn't TMI!!! =)

bigpassport
07-14-2012, 10:22 AM
So, Maintainers, what are your thoughts on P3 following a reboot? Do you really think it's necessary to "wake up" your pancreas? Do you think your metabolism actually runs better if you wake up your pancreas properly?

Here's my dilemma. I have been on P1 for about 3 weeks and am down to normal weight again. I'd like to lose a little more. But I have 3 weeks left before going on a mini-vacation and would like a free meal or two. So I need to decide how to allocate my three remaining weeks among P1, P2 and P3. I don't think P2 is necessary at all after a reboot because all you're doing in P2 is adding a few more calories. I'd like to do 2 weeks of P1 and 1 week of P3. Do you think one week of P3 is enough, or do you really buy into the necessity of 2 weeks on P3?

Momto2cs
07-14-2012, 10:48 AM
My completely personal opinion is that the pancreas is never resting-insulin is secreted even if you only eat protein. Just less of it.
As a result blood sugar stays more stable, fatty liver deposits are burned and the entire body works better.
Phasing off gives a slow return to normality, and keeps people in control, while allowing more and more options.

If you like phase 3 than a week of it would probably be a good transition into maintenance. If not, I woul return to you normal maintenance diet the week before you leave.

Have fun!

Ishbel
07-14-2012, 12:28 PM
loneloser not TMI at all! :)! I'm happy to learn that you were on maintenance for a year (thank you for that), did you do a cheat/fun day (I like calling it a fun day) for that year??

bigpassport I agree somewhat that the pancreas is still secreting insulin but just in very limited quanities which allows the liver to start using your fat stores. However, IMPO there is too much evidence for me on an over active pancreas secreting ad-hock insulin because it doesn't know what you're going to feed it next, resulting in extra energy (fat) from excess insulin. (I think in initial consultation they call it an overheated engine...can it learn from your last maintenance...maybe?) So I personally would do a phase off. That’s just me though!

When I was on Phase 1 I was talking to a close friend who once managed a weight loss centre about IP "it's called IP, maybe you've heard of it" she said "no I haven’t heard of it, does it phase you off?" and I said "yes" she said "they all work if you phase off properly, be sure to do it properly". That's always suck with me.

Would I need to phase off with two weeks each, that's a different question, I would do a few days of each even or one week of each.

Just my opinion! :) Let us know what you do and what the results are?

Lone Loser
07-14-2012, 06:00 PM
Ishbel -- Fun/cheat day was pretty carbed up and pretty irresponsible. I also had a hard time getting in all of my water on fun/cheat day. And . . . usually I felt like I'd been on a drinking binge the next day. I'd swear I wasn't going to do it again -- and I'd do it again (go carb crazy).

For maintenance I usually tried to have a good, normal breakfast (for IP) -- in fact, through maintenance I had usually had 2 eggs, three pieces of turkey bacon and sometimes toast -- but I found out the carbs really do impact my belly bloat -- so eventually I cut out the toast. For lunch I would have a P2 lunch. for Dinner I would have a P1 dinner with sweet potatoe or rice (I like the Knorr rice mixes -- Mushroom or Red Beans and Rice as they have only 1 gram of fat).

So during the week I would lose all of the fun/cheat day weight gain and be pretty much back to normal.

Where I went wrong (and gained the xtra 13 pounds) was the month that my husband had surgery for torn rotar cuff, I fell and sprained my hand/wrist, I had too much birthday celebration, there were two retirement parties at work, there were a couple of going away parties at work -- and I just simply gave up and fell off the wagon. Then after Memorial Day I decided to prepare myself for reboot. It wasn't bad at all -- I knew that it would be fairly short lived. Unfortunately, I blew it one week into P1 and went another two weeks on P1. Everyone has their weak moments.

I'm grateful that the weight came back off and it made me realize that IP is a way of life and that it is something that I can live with for the rest of my life.

bigpassport -- During reboot, I could only do one week of P3 -- got very bloated. I don't think that when I reboot again that I will do any P3. Personally, I'll do P1 until the weight comes off, P2 for two weeks and then go straight into maintenance. But, again, that is how it worked for me. Everyone is different.

I think that when you have been on IP for the first time and you have lost the larger amounts of weight to get to your intended goal, P3 probably should be followed for two weeks b/c you have been on P1 for quite some time and then P2 for two weeks.

Maile
07-15-2012, 09:31 AM
Paint lady: Good to hear from you! Your summer sounds busy, but you sound like maintenance is going well. Your eating plan seems to be very workable for you.

Lone Loser. I am the senior member..60. I must admit I am happier at this age than I have been in years..and have more energy due to weight loss. I find my fear of the scale is lessoning..but i still check it to keep on track. I alter my eating depending on the scale. It seems to work, Ihear you on the carbs..I react strongly to them also. I love yur meno paws. I have many cats and love them. If you don't mind sharing, we both weigh the same weight, are you wearing size 6?

Sarabean: greaqt job of eating salads while everyone else is eating sandwiches! That is my life at work. I love salmon burgers also.

New Englander: You are right..if you can make the non fun days more enjoyable, that will help you stay on track. I am a recipe hound!

Lee: This is just a personal reaction. I eat a P1 for a day or two if needed and then jump back to P3..no problem. I would do whatever keeps you in the most control and on track.

Ishbel: That is what my coach told me also..the ones who phased off correctly were the ones who maintained on IP. I followed all of the Phase off stages when I reached goal. However, now I modify things a bit.

Well.my son is home from college and is quite the chef! I have to stay calm and not panic as he likes french cooking with butter. So far so good..no gain!
French cooking does taste wonderful.

Maile
07-16-2012, 08:31 AM
I am apartment hunting with my son. I forgot the joys of looking for college pats. Yuk...there are so many bad ones.
We went to an Ethiopian vegetarian restaurant. I still worry about the carb content..even if they are good carbs, lentils and chickpeas and ingera buckwheat bread..However, it was wonderful food.
Hope everyone is having a good week.

2RIDEROLLERCOAST
07-16-2012, 01:38 PM
Have a great week everyone, thanks for starting the thread Carla.

I have been away the last week or so, had to split up my dogs while I was away, they are both happy to be home. Visited with family and worked at another office. It was nice to get away, swam every night, but did eat and drink too much so my scale is up today but know how to fix that so phase 1 today and probably the rest of the week. Looking forward to vacation am hoping to get lots done around the yard and house.

OK,

I just did it, I've been wishing someone to do it...but no one heard my wishes lol So if someone had their heart set on starting the thread, sorry! :)

maile I've been stirfrying my veggies, garlic, onion, sweet red peppers and broccoli...with some braggs soy sauce and low sugar stirfry sauce. I'm addicted to it right now, not ready to give it up...I think it's cause I went so long without onions.

So I ended up visiting with the gent that was so hard on me (posted a few weeks ago about it). I told him that I knew he was coming from a place of kindness/convern with his comments on my weight but that what he said really REALLY cut deep and sometimes it's hard not to discount all the positives with one small negative. That I know he's concerned but for REAL I'm doing ok and my doc is very happy with me and his comments really make me feel that he's disregarding all the hard work I did just to get where I am.

He was very VERY sorry and said he felt terrible. At the end of the conversation he gave me a hug, so I let him (we are actually co-workers/friends)...and I said "it's ok, lets not talk about it ever again ok?"

I feel better now, it's been 'weighing' on me for a while....thought I'd share that with you guys :) That is great that you got things out in the open, I am sure he will mind his business and just encourage you now.

I kind of had a funny thing, while having breakfast with my sister at the hotel, I had 1/2 banana in my oatmeal and her comment was, you know mom always said bananas are very fattening. I kind of looked at her and went yes, that is why I am having a half one perhaps you should have a few of them. My sister is super skinny and a very bad eater, she sometimes goes for days without eating and then she eats bad things... deep fried mushrooms, deep fried everything... and cheese lots of cheese, like a half box of velvetta with a little cauliflower in it... She is sickly and I tell her because she doesn't eat properly... oh well I guess we all have our problems...

Lone Loser
07-16-2012, 09:54 PM
Malie: It sounds like you are having quite the time with your son and food -- what fun! Just remember, you can always get back on track if you enjoy things a little -- but. Don't panic, enjoy your time with your son! Yes, I think we are about the same size -- you do have two more inches in height on me -- good for you! I always wanted to be taller -- but, am short and small frame. I, like you, feel much more healthy than I ever have and I am very happy with my body at this age. My blood work proves that and my ankles didn't swell up in this summer heat like they have in the past.

2Ride;

Lone Loser
07-16-2012, 10:01 PM
2Ride: opps! -- The wonderful things about IP is that we do know how to fix things when the scale goes up. Glad you enjoyed your time away -- it always is nice to get back home. Your dogs sound like our dogs and cats -- fur kids.

Lian
07-17-2012, 09:56 AM
Ok I think this is the best place to post this...........

I will be on maintenance in 12 days............
I am still reading and reading as much as I can, but just was wondering if anyone has a healthy muffin recipe as we also leave for our holiday in 12 days and thought it might be convenient or is this not a good idea to have muffins???
I have a friend who uses recipes out of the clean eating book just dont really no for sure if thats wise???

Ishbel
07-17-2012, 10:22 AM
maile I don't miss college days...I had no food and stressed over stupid chem tests and I was REALLY far from home (which in my opinion made it worse).

So I dislike coconut milk and prefer almond so far, next stop a redo of soy milk, although I may have to go back to the almond milk first...lol I'm also taking a break from broccoli, I'm having some ....gas issues :o I'm hoping that's the key! I didn't eat A LOT of broccoli in Phase 1, here and there but right now it's a staple and well, it's become painful :^:

Also, tested out a theory by running on Sunday (Phase 1 day)...it worked, so far so good, need to pack a snack for the afternoon on Monday's though. I almost gnaw on my desk, thankfully there was a packet stached in there from my Phase 1 days so I drank that down and felt immediately better. Will have to have a stach of emergency snacks at my desk I guess. I'm happy to report I'm running 5.4-5.6 on the treadmill with 6.0-6.7 the last five minutes! (yes, still slow in some people's books BUT I'm happy to see an improvement)

OH, and I cooked up some spagetti squash, HOLY CRAPPERS! My taste buds have definately changed, can't wait for lunch, meat sauce and squash (who would think that I would be this excited for THAT)!

Today it's two months into maintenance! I know it's not a lot, but it's something! :)

Ishbel
07-17-2012, 12:47 PM
lian Sorry, no muffin recipes here...still enjoying my sprouted grain bread in the morning and don't quite want to give it up. If you google low carb muffins you might find something interesting for you to try?

Lian
07-17-2012, 12:51 PM
I will do thank you anyways, I am so eager but nervous to be adding in carbs...........can I ask another question I noticed it says no fats and carbs together, what about if it fat free???

Momto2cs
07-17-2012, 03:28 PM
Watch the fat free items, many have many more carbs in the form of added sugar.

If its fat free it is not a fat...

Lian
07-17-2012, 03:43 PM
Ok thank you I was thinking like fat free mayo or sour cream.....I will make sure to check the label....

patns
07-17-2012, 04:00 PM
Does anyone else not worry about the carb and fat together rule?

Perhaps because I can't do grains etc except oatmeal my regular way of eating has become more like phase 2 most days. I don't like things like rice enough to add a serving at the evening meal just to have a carb.

I did think I would be having some carbs at my evening meal in some of my favorite recipes but when I made them again I realized they were just as good how I changed them for phase 1; e.g. minced cauliflower instead of rice in cabbage rolls and minced spinach instead of beans in chili.

Everytime someone mentions not having carbs and fats together I realize I have forgotten about that again. But then realize about 80% of my meals are phase 2 anyway and I have a few treat meals and a few glasses of wine for Friday and Saturday evening meals.

Maybe if I could handle bread I would be more aware of carbs and fat together because of what I would put on the bread.

bigpassport
07-17-2012, 10:15 PM
Patns--I'm with you. If I'm being good, my diet is generally P2. I rarely add carbs just to add carbs. My carbs are usually in the form of treats like baked goods or sweets. I struggle enough with those carbs without going around trying to add carbs into my diet.

Lian--It's hard to find low carb/fat-free muffin recipes. But if you are doing P4, your evening meal can have carbs but no fat. I have found fat-free/reduced carb muffin recipes. I'll see if I can find them. When I was really sticking to P4, I would make muffins for our evening carbs rather than eating pasta, rice or potatoes.

Ishbel--Has it only been two months? You blend in well with us old-timers.

Maile--Did you find an apartment for your son? That does not sound like a fun project to me.

2Ride--Darn that skinny sister!

Maile
07-19-2012, 09:35 AM
Lee: Yes we found a nice apt close to the college. My husband is in a state of shock that it is unfurnished. Craig's list and yard sales, here we come.

Lee and Patn, I am with you. I don't add carbs anymore, unless I really want them. I do have a carb and fat for breakfast. I also use olive oil to cook vegetables for dinner, and still might have a carb..which does break that rule. It has not seemed to hurt.

Lian: Netrition.com has lots of low carb mixes. The Dixie carrot muffin is very good and is low carb..no sugar. Did you ever make pudding cakes from the IP packets? They are like a muffin.

Ishbel: I am glad college apartment days are gone also. I fear my son will be eating raw mein noodles and peanut butter.
I have not tried spaghetti squash...may have to try it with pasta.
Yes, who would have thought we would be looking forward to squash?
I make a portabello pizza..put 1/4 c pasta on a olive sprayed portabello, then bake it ..later sprinkle mozarella or parmesean on it. That is my new pizza.
The Silk Soy milk is not too bad.

LoneLoser: My blood work was also better. I am enjoying the summer more too..except for being colder in the air conditioning!

2Ride: Your two week break sounded good., I am glad the puppies survived their dogsitters. Good luck on the P1 reboot. You deserve a vacation after all of your work!

Today is go back to work and start arranging my new room.

Lian
07-19-2012, 11:25 AM
Thank you for your advice..........hope your all having a great day xo

capricious
07-19-2012, 03:39 PM
So I have been away at our cabin again and was cut off from civilization (aka no cell reception or Internet ;)). Must apologize for my long absence...

Pxlkitty- it's great to see you on here again!! How's the reboot going?
Darbs- sounds like you had a great time in Vegas- exactly as it should be :)!
LoneLoser- many congrats on the successful reboot!! That's great news. It seems that a large part of maintaining is just jumping on a small weight increase before it becomes a bigger (and much more overwhelming) weight increase.
Big passport- I was in your exact predicament last month. Had a successful few weeks of pure Phase 1 and was debating about the phasing out process because I had a couple social engagements that were not going to be Phase 2/3 friendly. I hated the idea of Phase 2 period and ended up not following either properly and instead had 3 'free days' that almost totally derailed my losses. Not worth it. Phasing out properly sucks but it's worth it. Don't rush back into Phase 4 because the weight will pile on before you can blink. A week of each Phase 2 & 3. Or do 2 weeks Phase 3. Your body absolutely needs this time to stabilize...
Maile- I am a recipe hound as well. Love it when I can find a food that is good for me and tastes great! That's my kind of challenge :). I like broccolini sautéed in a bit of olive oil and garlic topped with a bit of lemon... Love that it still has a crunch but is slightly soft and warm...
Ishbel- your cat and my son have the same name. Cracks me up whenever I read stories about your kitty.
It is such a positive thing that you worked things out with your coworker in such a way that both of you can leave the situation with a better understanding of where the other person is coming from and feel better for it. Too often confrontation is seen as negative when in fact done with honesty and delicacy it can wrought such a positive outcome. A bit like ironing out the wrinkles in clothes- a pain to do and often ignored... Done improperly it can make even larger wrinkles... But with care it makes all the difference. Loved the story and thank you for the update...
Busymom- it is surely because TOM is looming... Even when it doesn't fully appear the hormones are still working hard at it and they're what bring about the extra weight...
I am happy. Really enjoy being part of a group that is all about discussing weight and the issues related to it. Always got that here and I benefitted so greatly from it. To have it in 'real life' as well I feel doubly blessed. I feel now that I am one style of eating all the time... And less like a split personality of really on point 6 days a week and as far away from on point as ai could possibly get one day a week. Finally getting how to let myself just eat and to do so within reason. I still try to keep it low carb and that has worked well for me. Combining the principles of healthy eating I learned over the past year with watching portions is making for much more balanced eating. I'm within a couple pounds of my original goal...
Hope everyone is having a great day and enjoying the sunshine...

capricious
07-19-2012, 03:48 PM
PS Lian- Low Carb Banana Muffins (a fave of mine)
1 cup Oat flour ( if you don't have the flour put 1.5 c dry oatmeal in the blender)
1 T baking powder
1 t baking soda

1 Cup mashed banana
2 T Splenda for baking
1/4 Cup unsweetened applesauce
1 egg
1 t vanilla

Mix the dry ingredients in a medium bowl. Mix the wet ingredients in a separate bowl. Pour the wet ingredients into the dry and mix until flour is just wetted. For best results refrigerate batter overnight.
Pour batter into 12 muffin cup tin that has been greased (Pam etc)
Bake at 350 for about 20 minutes. These are 79 cals a piece and 12 g carbs.

Busymomx4
07-19-2012, 04:10 PM
Cap - Nice to see you again, hope you had a good time at your cabin!

Thanks for the receipe, love muffins!

And it wasn't TOM...not sure what is going on with me...this is the second month that i'm skipping TOM which i never skipped once in the past 25 years but when pregnant and i am not pregnant (tested for 2 weeks and dh is clinically sterile). Not really worried but would hate to have a cyst that could burst when we're on vacation in the US next month! Not sure what to do.

Glad you found a middle ground for eating...hopefully i'll have your confidence soon, i'm still freaking out if not under 150 but i have to allow myself my 5lbs buffer and if you substract the loose skin..i'm more like 135. So fighting to be at 148 might not be worth my sanity and just stick to 150-152. It just seems like such a high number for me, lol.

Ishbel - You amaze me with your running and i'm so jealous...i tried to run but couldn't do it past 4.5 for like 4 minutes before i felt like my knees were going to give out (i have no cartilege left in both knees). So i resigned myself to walking but walked at 3.8 with a 10 incline so still felt like a work out as i could feel my legs and butt working. Wish i could run though!

Leaving for the week-end to friends in Ontario tomorrow evening, looking forward to it but i'm such a homebody that i always rather just stay home and relax, lol. Should be fun i guess, hope the weather cooperates and we can go to the beach :)

Got my hair cut yesterday and got bangs...wow, what a change..not sure how i feel about it yet.

Lian
07-19-2012, 04:19 PM
Thank you that recipe sounds very good............gotta try them...:)

Maile
07-19-2012, 06:09 PM
Cap: I am glad to hear that you have stabilized and that things are going well with you. The more support the better! That recipe looks good.

Busymom: Your haircut sounds cute. Hope you enjoy Ontario..I bet your weight
is influenced by the lack of TOM.

I had lunch with some women..One was bemoaning the fact that she was on a "diet" and suffering..Then we got talking about cooking. She said since she was on a diet, she rarely cooked and just grabbed things.

So, I reflected that this is the opposite of me..who cooks and prepares..

My question to you folks is, do you feel deprived while maintaining? This girl felt angry at not being able to eat the deserts.

purple sky
07-19-2012, 07:49 PM
I think I feel deprived in terms of socializing. It is fun to drink like everyone else in your party or indulge in the richer foods like everyone else. I enjoy eating. I like food. But, sometimes it's a little hard to clink your water glass against everyone else's wine glass and dig right into your salad as they dive into pasta or something. In the long run I feel good and proud of myself for coming so far, but sometimes short term I want to be like everyone else at the table and not pass over 80% of the menu.

Oh and everything has sugar. E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

Welcome back Cap. Glad to hear you found the right path.

Ishbel, I am also in month 2, actually the beginning of month 3 of maintenance. It does get easier.

capricious
07-20-2012, 01:36 AM
BusyMom- don't lament too much the fact you can't run... it may behoove you in the long run as the harder you exercise the hungrier you get and the more justified you feel in eating. Overcompensating is dangerous territory... so sometimes walking done consistently is the perfect exercise. Be proud that you are taking that on! Hopefully your body will get back on track soon TOM wise. I had the Mirena in while I was on IP phase 1 and throughout all the phases and TOM was absent the whole time. It is a disconcerting experience not to have it (though to say I missed it would be going too far ;)). Caution in Phase 4 is paramount. I promised myself that I would stay absolutely true to Phase 4 guidelines until I had been in Phase 4 for as long as I had been in Phase 1 (which was 4 months). I continued staying in phase 4 for 3 months beyond that. This really helped to stabilize my weight and give me confidence in my ability to reduce my weight after overindulging. Learning how to pick myself up after a fall was something that I had never really learned and I truly appreciate the fact that I know I can now. My journey in maintenance is simply continuing...
Maile- I can't believe you're setting up your classroom already! It seems that summer has just begun and yet here it is, half over...
I'm with you on the preparing and cooking. It is the joy of food. Learning to take joy in the making rather than only the eating allows me to focus on food while still limiting intake. That said today was a grab and go day and I just did my best to make good choices.
PurpleSky- Have a wine spritzer. And a giant glass of water. When there's a toast take a sip of the wine otherwise guzzle the water. Nothing says you have to finish the spritzer it can just be nice to feel like you're participating.

Maile
07-20-2012, 09:29 AM
PurpleSky: You are so right..Socializing is where you feel the difference..that 80% not being able to eat or drink is very true. Last summer I was at a dinner party where the chef made paella..rice dish for the group. I was on Phase 1..sipping water. He took 3 hours to make the dish..everyone else was having drinks and apetizers. I was starving..and then had to pick protein out of the rice dish. It was a long night.
And yes, sugar is everywhere!!!!!

I can understand that long term..short term feelings. We are in it for the long term..but those short feelings pop up and you wish you could just be like everybody else.
I guess what hit me..what that this girl felt so negative, so angry that she could not have the desert. She also had no pleasure in eating..to her, food was a diet..something to suffer through..thus she did not cook or find much pleasure in it. By the way her efforts have not been successful.

Cap: I have been moved to a new room..so I have to go in and organize the new room. I start again in August. These summer days are precious.
Hope you are enjoying the summer with your kids.

purple sky
07-20-2012, 01:31 PM
That is something I am working on, finding pleasure in food because it is very enjoyable. You don't want it to be just for sustenance.

I am in So Cal. and I have been surrounded by women who do not like food and who are afraid of food. And they don't like themselves for that matter. I have never seen anything like it in any other state. So eating is highly unpleasant for them. Lots and lots of guilt surround each meal. It's a constant, "oh no, I could not have that." No enjoyment. No pleasure. I am very cognizant of it and don't want to become like that even though I have a lot of food limitations. But, I have watched for years as they try to size themselves down into teeny tiny sizes and I work really hard on not becoming like that. Even though I am quite a bit smaller than I used to be, I am so much larger than a lot of peeps in CA. So much. These woman just keep themselves just above the bone. Now, to each his own but in life you want to be happy and you need to he happy with who you are and how you look. Always wanting to be different or someone else can get you down.

Some women are naturally happier very lean and athletic but that is healthy. It concerns me when they get too lean and are not healthy. My coach is in the teeny tiny sizes and I am like why. I really don't want to get knocked over if a strong gust of wind ever comes through.

Not sure why I am on this tangent today. It's not an IP issue more so a So. Cal issue but it has troubled me for years. I can understand healthy and lean and fit over things like fear of food and fear of fat and wanting to be a different person.

DH and I were talking about how much nicer people are to us here now. Yes, only one thing changed this year. We are still the same people that we were last year. I was just not aware of how poorly we were treated because we looked different before. The difference is dramatic.

Ishbel
07-20-2012, 03:45 PM
Cap welcome back, love that muffins recipe, do you think a cup of cooked quinoa work be ok in there? Or a scoop of protein powder....I would love to have a muffin for a snack at night, it's the protein that helps me for my evening snack...anyone else have an opinion?

Maile I come from a family of teachers...you sound just like them, I don't call my sister at all in June...and when they changed classrooms it was a busy summer for them.

Busymom don't worry so much about not running, I am loving it because it reminds me of how I felt cross country skiing in my younger years and cap is right, sometimes it ups your hunger and you know how I am with testing how I feel the day after I run....just keep walking, it's the same thing! :)

Purple we are of the same graduating class! :)


So I'm home this week, for a long weekend and I'm so relaxed with my mom, she's totally awesome and knows exactly how I eat! She has quinoa, boiled eggs, low sugar jam and almond milk ready for me....I'm such a spoiled daughter! She is so different then my auntie (who was NOT supportive over the christmas holidays and still thinks its odd to have a fruit as a "treat"). I feel so loved! :D

I've re-discovered laughing cow cheese...mmm....perfect for my lunches!

VIP is back from Europe on Sunday, late but I know I will get a hug cause he has to stop by my house to pick up his house keys before he can go home...super super excited to see him! He just finished the Nijmegan march, 50 km a day for four days...total 200 km and you receive a royal issued medal when you've completed the march. He facetimed me this morning and said "I hurt hurt hurt and I really want a beer" lol. I'm so proud of him for doing such a physically and mentally challenging thing!

Determinedat47
07-20-2012, 09:50 PM
Purple sky- I know exactly what you mean about southern California- I did a traveling nurse assignment down there approximate 15 years ago. I was definitely not overweight at the time but always felt fat. The people I worked with never ate at meal breaks and there were never ever any munchies in the break room- was the only place I ever worked at where it was like that. Everyone was very skinny and I remember a few nurses that I worked with whom I commented on liking some nice jewelry they were wearing- think thick gold chains that were in style at the time, and they confided in me that they rented the jewelry and gave me names of places where I could do the same. Crazy-anyway, just sharing a story from my past. Have a good weekend.

Maile
07-21-2012, 10:14 AM
Determined and Purple Sky..My son's girlfriend is from LA..and says the same thing. People are obsessed about being extremely thin..and about wearing designer clothes, shoes and purses. I remember going into stores and seeing size 0 and ..or just smalls..some mediums, no larges. You find some of that in the big cities..like Seattle.
Purple Sky..it must be hard to be around that environment. So are people being nicer to you because you have lost weight and fit in better?
I don't want to become so afraid of food.and unhappy like those women either.


Determined ..that is too weird about renting jewelry. I am still in a state of shock that people spend 1000 on a purse..Hope I don't offend anyone here.

I have the opposite problem. I live in a small rural town. I work in an even tinier town in Oregon. The norm there is majorly overweight. People think I am too thin.

Ishbel: I am glad you understand what changing rooms means. Teachers are pack rats and my new room is going to need lots of work..unpaid.

Determinedat47
07-21-2012, 12:45 PM
Maile
I live in a town with a population of 300 people. If I bought a purse for $1000, no one would know the difference! If they knew that I spent that much on a purse, they may have a fundraiser for me to pay for psychiatric treatment. I'd much rather live in this environment than one where everyone is trying to impress and starve themselves to impress ......who? Anyway, I do not want to offend either, takes all kinds and we all have different reasons for what guides life and health choices.

purple sky
07-21-2012, 01:15 PM
I made this ladies. Yum.

From Elena's Pantry.

http://www.elanaspantry.com/paleo-breakfast-bread/
There is a video link if you want to see it as well. Quick and easy.
Especially if you keep almond butter on hand
Read comments for substitutions. I do like cinnamon but for some it was too much. I used coconut nectar instead of honey. You can probably skip the honey (or agave) but I think it does something to the texture.

I wish I could give you the nutritional breakdown. But, a 1/2 cup of almond butter is like 800 calories and a good amt of fat and carbs. The rest of the calories and fat came from the nectar and eggs. I know most of us can do more fat than other things in our diets.

I do try to follow the basic IP rule of eat the richest or most at breakfast. The rest of the day I am a bit lighter, sometimes. Still experimenting. These turned out suprisingly light. Not like brownies.


Paleo Breakfast Bread

½ cup creamy roasted almond butter
2 eggs
2 tablespoons honey
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
¼ teaspoon stevia
¼ teaspoon celtic sea salt
¼ teaspoon baking soda
1 tablespoon cinnamon

In a large bowl, with a hand blender, mix almond butter until creamy
Mix in eggs, honey, vanilla and stevia
Add salt, baking soda and cinnamon
Mix well with hand blender until all ingredients are combined
Transfer batter into a well greased 8x8 inch Pyrex baking dish
Bake at 325° for 12 to 15 minutes
Serve

Serves 4

Okay, it's next day. Scale is up. So, this might be a maybe for you guys. Quite good though. Very light but I ate too much of it.

purple sky
07-21-2012, 02:02 PM
Mmmm...yum. I have a funny feeling the scale may not like those bars but I have to try. Mmmm.

I have started testing the waters a little more. I think I was sort of afraid of food for a while and remained very close to P3 for a long time. Then because of several extended family/friends visits and events I was forced into eating differently and nothing really bad happened. It took a while to get back to my normal but I am okay now but don't want to do that again. Carb hangovers don't feel good. Neither does bloated belly.

I am not too keen on how I am treated better because I am a different size. I am the same person. But, I was not prepared for the treatment to be so dramatically different. I am also surprised when people are not sure if I am still losing. But, people are weird and have so many opinions. Oh, you lost too much. Are you done yet? And so it goes. I am good. I am fine.

People don't like it if you lose too much because they remember old you with the rounder face. Some want you to be more California because very small is where it is at. One day I was looking at clothing racks and saw very little in 4's and even less smaller than that. It then made no sense to me to size down anymore because I would not have choices.

I have been very pleased with where I am at now but I was not prepared for the dramatic difference in treatment.

Heaven forbid you see a rail thin actress with bones protruding and you said she is too skinny, they look at you like you are from mars. I really worry about women and body image here.

And the 1k purse. Yes, I am dumbfounded by that as well. Purses, jeans, watches. Whatever. It's different here.

Ishbel
07-22-2012, 10:35 PM
purple Your posts and the subsequent discussion created quite the conversation piece with my mom and I. People around me think I'M too small, much less what they would think of me in SC, I'm from a small northern saskatchewan community...can't imagine what it would be like to be surrounded by 0's and never find a L in a shop. I'm excited to fit into a M or a L HAHA!

As for 1K on a purse...rather go on a trip...but I am digging that I can fit lululemon workout clothes...which can be damaging to my wallet.

******

So this past weekend was FABULOUS with my mom...and then free day, in highsight I plunged head first into white wheat flour with some baked goods and then what I like to call 'garden gush' which is a steak supper surrounded by all types of veggies from the garden. It was awesome for my mom to create a grand supper for me that was 'quasi' healthy because there was tons of veggies...HOWEVER the garlic toast was white and one of the veggies had a white sauce on it...HELLO WHITE FLOUR!! (I never put much thought into what I was eating I guess) I woke up this morning in PAIN...hard core physical PAIN. :cry: Like tummy ache, like you've been coughing for 7 days, or you did a million crunches and anything I put down there, it felt like it was going to come back up. The only things I've had today are two shakes, 4 pickles, 5 radishes, 6 oz of chicken, a bar and 5 litres of cool water (the cool water was the only thing that felt soothing). Anytime I 'try' something it felt 'sore'.

I just had the bar right before typing this and at this point of the post I'm already feeling 'sore'. :?: I'm not going to self diagnose myself but from my research it sounds like a gluten sensitivity. I have had wheat since I stopped Phase 1, but never like this meal...and I could feel the difference between whole wheat bread and sprouted grain bread but it felt more 'sluggish'....this was P-A-I-N. I've had my gallbladder removed, when it was inflamed...the pain would increase to a 6 and then I'd head to emerg...to stop it from going higher (as it was climbing)...this pain today has been a constant 5-6...never getting more then that and it feels TERRIBLE! ugh! Definately checking with the doc next time I'm in...and staying the heck away from WHEAT!

Anyone with a diagnosed gluten intolerance/sensitivity (as they seem to mean the same thing?) out there...is this what it feels like??

MaMaZu
07-23-2012, 09:41 AM
Thought I'd post this question here.
I'm on Day 2 of Phase 3. Adding grains back has brought my fibromyalgia back with a vengeance. Has anyone else gone through Phase 3 without using grains? Can the carbs come from another source? I'm doing IP on my own with alternatives so this forum has been my "coach".
Thanks in advance!

patns
07-23-2012, 10:25 AM
Thought I'd post this question here.
I'm on Day 2 of Phase 3. Adding grains back has brought my fibromyalgia back with a vengeance. Has anyone else gone through Phase 3 without using grains? Can the carbs come from another source? I'm doing IP on my own with alternatives so this forum has been my "coach".
Thanks in advance!

Yes I had to give up on phase 3 very quickly. I had learned way before IP that the only grain I can handle is oats and also dairy gives me sinus infections. I did try phase 3 using sprouted grain bread and also yogurt.
But I was gaining two pounds + a day and was immediately feeling totally drained with no energy.

Actually I really enjoy my high protein shakes for breakfast as I am totally not a morning person.

So after 4 days and 8 pounds up I eliminated the phase 3 breakfast and went back to the shakes and the sudden gain came off and my energy came back.

So my way of eating in phase 4 is actually much like phase 2 all week with a few treats like wine on the weekends. This works very well for me.

Intolerances we had before IP will still be there when we hit maintenance.

Funny now I remember feeling like such a failure when I had to pull out of phase 3 but after a few days on phase 2 again I felt 100% better physically.

I did add a bit of carbs back for breakfast with some berries in my shake.

The important thing I learned in phase 1 is that I have to have a set routine with my eating. I was a snacker before and often was not hungry for actual meals. You end up eating way more that way.

Good luck, you will dtermine what works best for you as yo go through the phase 3 and go on the phase 4.

Pat

sneuse
07-23-2012, 10:40 AM
Hello everyone! I'm new to maintenance - started two weeks ago but have been on vacation and stuffing my face the whole time (oops). My first WI (this morning) since finishing phase 3 was ugly... 8 pound gain, 6 of which was fat. I wanted to cry, but then again I knew what I was doing all along and enjoyed myself. So I really had nothing to cry about! Things happen, you move on.

Having said that, I'm not sure how to start getting back into things. Should I buy some IP products or alternatives and do a mini Phase 1/2/3 for a week or so? Or should I just jump on the Phase 4 plan and see where it takes me?

I also wanted to ask, as this has been bugging me since I started Phase 4 (if you could call it that), does it get any easier? I thought I'd enjoy the freedom of being able to eat more things, but I find instead that I miss the structure of the earlier phases. I had to think about what I ate, but at the same time I didn't.

As a relative newbie to this phase, I'd appreciate any advice, tough love, etc.

Dakin
07-23-2012, 11:44 AM
Good morning IP family! I've missed these boards! Been traveling a lot since school let out at end of June. I'll be home for a couple of weeks, then one more trip in late August before we head back. I've been eating mostly P3, but really not being too careful at all - having flatbread roll ups for lunch, wine almost daily, and many other things I know I shouldn't. I was pleasantly surprised to see only a 3 lb gain on Saturday when I got home. Tried to eat better Sunday, but wasn't perfect P1, did P1 yesterday, and am back at 149 this morning! I'm thrilled.
But now I'm struggling with the question about the "goal" of 149 I set for myself. I'm wondering if I should try to stay on P1 longer and get a bit lower into my 'recommended' range. I've not been in the 140's in over 25 years... any suggestions?
I'd love your advice in this area, as I seem to remember reading that some of you also struggled with defining the ideal goal weight.

Maile - Good luck with your move and reorganization. Our school reconfigured this year, closed one entire building, shifted 4 grade levels to other buildings... so much chaos! Thankfully I was one of the few who was not relocated. I moved twice in the two years prior tho, so I know what you're going through.

Patn - I agree with you about not perseverating on carbs. I find that I rarely even think about them, as my cooking has largely eliminated them. I have been using the 'Flatout' brand of flatbread wraps and pita pockets for lunches tho. (100 cal, 17 g carbs, 8 g dietary fiber, 9 g protein)

I think I feel deprived in terms of socializing. It is fun to drink like everyone else in your party or indulge in the richer foods like everyone else. I enjoy eating. I like food. But, sometimes it's a little hard to clink your water glass against everyone else's wine glass
Purple, my coach told me that she attended a big IP seminar and that red wine will not put weight on during maintenance (within reason, of course) She said I could drink 1-2 glasses per day without suffering a gain. Luckily for me, I like red wine.

Capricious, How are you doing with the intermingling of both plans? I always love reading your posts - you approach everything in such a thoughtful way. Thank you for the muffin recipe - I can't wait to try it with berries.

Ishbel, So glad you enjoyed your trip. I can't wait to go back... tentatively in 2013. You mentioned quinoa... I've never tried it. What would you compare the flavor / texture to?

Hello everyone! I'm new to maintenance -

Having said that, I'm not sure how to start getting back into things. Should I buy some IP products or alternatives and do a mini Phase 1/2/3 for a week or so? Or should I just jump on the Phase 4 plan and see where it takes me?

I also wanted to ask, as this has been bugging me since I started Phase 4 (if you could call it that), does it get any easier?

As a relative newbie to this phase, I'd appreciate any advice, tough love, etc.

Senuse, Welcome! I use alternatives from Nashua Nutrition daily. I love their Irish Cream and Amaretto cocoa mixes. I put them in coffee. The beauty of them is that they are designed to be mixed into a hot liquid, so I can eliminate the chore of finding the shaker, cold water, shake, add to coffee.... I also use many of the HealthSmart snacks from that site. Hubby even likes them (He had some one day when we were on a ferry, and very delayed in eating... he said "These are way better than I expected".
My day looks like:
Coffee with protein mix in morning.
Yogurt w/ berries mid/late morning (snack)
flatbread wrap or salad with meat for lunch.
HealthSmart snack - protein chips or a bar, or sometimes green peppers or celery sticks. (I got addicted to green peppers during P1, just love 'em)
Normal dinner -- whatever we decide. Often meat on grill, fresh veggies, red wine.

So far I'm doing relatively well with maintenance but I'm not in any way kidding myself that this is easy. It's still new to me too... which is why I plan to visit here as much as possible.
Hang in with us, we'll support each other as best we can.

MaMaZu
07-23-2012, 11:49 AM
Yes I had to give up on phase 3 very quickly. I had learned way before IP that the only grain I can handle is oats and also dairy gives me sinus infections. I did try phase 3 using sprouted grain bread and also yogurt.
But I was gaining two pounds + a day and was immediately feeling totally drained with no energy.

Actually I really enjoy my high protein shakes for breakfast as I am totally not a morning person.

So after 4 days and 8 pounds up I eliminated the phase 3 breakfast and went back to the shakes and the sudden gain came off and my energy came back.

So my way of eating in phase 4 is actually much like phase 2 all week with a few treats like wine on the weekends. This works very well for me.

Intolerances we had before IP will still be there when we hit maintenance.

Funny now I remember feeling like such a failure when I had to pull out of phase 3 but after a few days on phase 2 again I felt 100% better physically.

I did add a bit of carbs back for breakfast with some berries in my shake.

The important thing I learned in phase 1 is that I have to have a set routine with my eating. I was a snacker before and often was not hungry for actual meals. You end up eating way more that way.

Good luck, you will dtermine what works best for you as yo go through the phase 3 and go on the phase 4.

Pat

Thanks patns, did you try to make sure you were getting the extra carbs you would have got from the grains elsewhere, ie fruit, etc.? I just want to make sure that I'm approaching this in the best way as everything I read emphasizes the importance of doing Phase 3 correctly.

purple sky
07-23-2012, 03:15 PM
Thank you cap and Dakin for the wine suggestions. I have been playing around with it and it is a tricky one for me. I wake up rough the next morning no matter how little I have. But, I think you are right. I don't think there is a weight gain the next morning after the wine. It usually depends on what I ate with it. It's more that nasty carb hangover feeling that I don't like. Any amt does it to me. Just a few sips, even.

Ishbel, my graduating class mate, We are approaching 3 months, isn't that craziness. Yes, sneuse, it does get easier. But, it is not easy at first and you may find that it gets harder as you try new and different carbs. There will be some you will not be able to return to and some that you are surprised you can eat with no ill effects on the scale the next morning. I think the most challenging for me is that carb hangover feeling I get the next morning accompanied with that uncomfortable bloated feeling that lasts several days. Most report feeling back to normal by Wed or Thurs. The cyclical aspect of the one binge/treat/cheat day does not work for me. It's mostly because of that carb hangover feeling I get the next day. I am typing now feeling rough.

I usually go back to my P3 and the weight comes down. I think some have to do a P1 or P2 till the weight drops back down, especially after a vacation. I might have to do that soon. Did you find that some carbs were not as enjoyable as you remembered?

MaMaZu, congratulations on P3. It's a tricky phase. A chance to find out what carbs you are super sensitive to. I think I tried bread once or twice and once I got into a routine around yogurt and berries I was fine. But during P3 I found I was a little more sensitive to cereal (even low or no wheat) and gluten free breads. I still eat yogurt and berries almost every morning. There are enough carbs in the yogurt. Now, one challenge is that dairy and fruit (sugar) can sometimes bring on inflammatory stuff. Sometimes coffee. So, you have to play around with things. Even turkey bacon has some sugar. I have also found that I am now less sensitive to certain items I thought I was sensitive to during P3 and early into maintenance. So, I keep experimenting.

Maile. Perceptions around weight is interesting, isn't it? I mean there are all kinds of numbers out there for ideal weight ranges. But, some of us has to be above or below those numbers to feel healthy or comfortable. I was losing too much padding on my bottom side so I stopped. Otherwise I may have continued. This diet can be addictive as you watch that scale drop. I sort of miss that. All communities and towns are different. Some value curves and fuller figures. Some value leaner more athletic bodies. I think they are all good and don't want to look like everyone else. Though there are days where I wish I had a few more inches on my height. LOL! I have just been shocked at how dramatically different I have been treated. Like I am a better or more interesting person now.

Ishbel, I love hearing about your mother. So cool. She gets it. She gets you. We need support through this process. Not, "oh, come on, you can have a little..." I do go to stores with normal sizes. It's just that I am surprised at how small many still are here. Either they have amazing metabolisms or they don't eat.

I just believe that we need to feel happy and healthy. And that could have broad range in sizes and weights but that's okay. Other people's perceptions can really mess with you.
You need to stop losing.
I like my curves
Are you still going to lose more?

You can't win for losing, literally.

Maile
07-23-2012, 05:53 PM
Purple Sky: I think there are studies that show that people are discriminated against for being overweight in the job hiring market. It is a crazy world. Even though you are the same person, I am at least glad you are being treated better! I ususally don't gain weight after wine. have you tried drinking lots of water with it? How was the recipe? It looked good.

Mamazu: there are carbs in the fruit and yogurt. I would stay away from wheat with that reaction. You can make pancakes from almond flour or coconut flour. Legumes have carbs also.

Senuse: yes it does get easier. Phase 3/4 seem overwhelming and scary at first ..then you find what you can eat. I usually eat a Phase 1 very low carb day when my weight goes up. I don't use the packets anymore.
I also keep a fairly controlled structure...very similar to phase 2.

Dakin: I changed my goal weight twice. Originally it was 142..Then I seemed to keep losing and went into the 30s. I had not been in the thirties in many years. Then somehow I ended up breaking into the twenties. My body seems to have settled there. But to answer your question, I am much happier with being below my goal..by 3 pounds..so if I go up 3 pounds, I do not panic. ....I am typing from my class as we speak. I have spent the day moving with the janitor.

Determined: I was out of tough with the prices of purses..and am probably out of touch with shoes also. My son's girlfriend who is a college student, buys herself one new purse each year..the last one was a $1000 whihc she got on sale for $500. Each to his own. Your town of 300 is small..My work town is 7000 and my living town is 40,000.

Patns: I also eat my carbs for breakfast. This morning I had half an ear of sweet wonderful corn for breakfast..in place of my raspberries..Crazy, but that corn was sweet and wonderful.

sneuse
07-23-2012, 09:19 PM
Senuse, Welcome! I use alternatives from Nashua Nutrition daily. I love their Irish Cream and Amaretto cocoa mixes. I put them in coffee. The beauty of them is that they are designed to be mixed into a hot liquid, so I can eliminate the chore of finding the shaker, cold water, shake, add to coffee.... I also use many of the HealthSmart snacks from that site. Hubby even likes them (He had some one day when we were on a ferry, and very delayed in eating... he said "These are way better than I expected".
My day looks like:
Coffee with protein mix in morning.
Yogurt w/ berries mid/late morning (snack)
flatbread wrap or salad with meat for lunch.
HealthSmart snack - protein chips or a bar, or sometimes green peppers or celery sticks. (I got addicted to green peppers during P1, just love 'em)
Normal dinner -- whatever we decide. Often meat on grill, fresh veggies, red wine.

So far I'm doing relatively well with maintenance but I'm not in any way kidding myself that this is easy. It's still new to me too... which is why I plan to visit here as much as possible.
Hang in with us, we'll support each other as best we can.

Thank you for the support and tips. I really appreciate yours and everyone's input. I think I'm going to buy some of the Healthsmart products and probably Nashua Nutrition as well. I've heard great things about them both, and I'm thinking it'll help the day after a cheat day! After being without it for two weeks, I realized pretty quickly I needed this forum to help keep me in the right mind set. It's supportive people like you guys that make it easier!

Yes, sneuse, it does get easier. But, it is not easy at first and you may find that it gets harder as you try new and different carbs. There will be some you will not be able to return to and some that you are surprised you can eat with no ill effects on the scale the next morning. I think the most challenging for me is that carb hangover feeling I get the next morning accompanied with that uncomfortable bloated feeling that lasts several days. Most report feeling back to normal by Wed or Thurs. The cyclical aspect of the one binge/treat/cheat day does not work for me. It's mostly because of that carb hangover feeling I get the next day. I am typing now feeling rough.

I usually go back to my P3 and the weight comes down. I think some have to do a P1 or P2 till the weight drops back down, especially after a vacation. I might have to do that soon. Did you find that some carbs were not as enjoyable as you remembered?

Sadly, everything has been as enjoyable as I thought and remembered.... it makes it harder to want to shape back up. BUT I worked hard to lose the weight and I'm not going to gain it all back in a few weeks because I have crazy cravings!! Okay maybe a little, but not ALL of it :p

Senuse: yes it does get easier. Phase 3/4 seem overwhelming and scary at first ..then you find what you can eat. I usually eat a Phase 1 very low carb day when my weight goes up. I don't use the packets anymore.
I also keep a fairly controlled structure...very similar to phase 2.

I think I need the structure. It can be annoying at times (I feel like my entire Sunday is spent cooking and preparing) but it really takes the edge off mid week.

MaMaZu
07-23-2012, 09:45 PM
Thanks everyone for your thoughtful and helpful suggestions. Yes, I knew before IP that I had a grain/carb sensitivity that largely manifested itself with my fibromyalgia. I guess I was just hoping I could at least barrel through Phase 3 per the program and then make maintenance grain free. Now thinking that's probably not a good idea.
My main concern is making sure my pancreas is rebooted correctly, will tinker around and keep you posted, thanks again!

patns
07-23-2012, 11:00 PM
Thanks patns, did you try to make sure you were getting the extra carbs you would have got from the grains elsewhere, ie fruit, etc.? I just want to make sure that I'm approaching this in the best way as everything I read emphasizes the importance of doing Phase 3 correctly.

No I got myself so stressed about what carbs to add back I just gave up on it. Well not totally, I did add some fruit back but have to limit that too as I an eat fruit by the bucketful.

I was concerned about the "waking" the pancreas but then thought to heck with it and just let it sleep. :dizzy:

So I did phase 2 again and went on to maintenance. Now I realize I should have added oats as I don't have an issue with that. But I didn't think of it because the alternative oatmeal packages were so easy.


But here is something I tried in maintenance that may be helpful. I have a cook book I have been looking at all through phase 1 and planning what to make in maintenance. It is called The Glycemic Load Cookbook.
The recipes are by Dana Carpender.

This recipe is for a bread machine. I tried the recipe as she gave it and it had WW flour. I thought I'd give it a go as it was 2/3 cups of flour and the bread should be cut into 12 slices so I thought it would not be very much whole wheat for one slice.

But I ended up just having half a slice as I was still concerned about the wheat. It was fantastic, hubby loved it too so I let him eat it all. Now I am going to try it again using oat flour and see if that works as well. The loaf could be cut into more slices easily to cut the calories but I like the amount of protein. I don't quite understand the addition of vital wheat gluten and will have to check further about that.

Using the recipe as given and cut into it is 12 slices each slice is 189 cal;6 gr fat, 24 gr protein,12 gr carbs, 4 gr fiber


Oatmeal_Marmalade Bread

1 cup boiling water
1/2 cup rolled oats
1 teaspoon salt
1 cup vital wheat gluten
3/4 cup vanilla whey protein powder
1/2 cup flaxseed meal
2/3 cup whole wheat flour
1 T sucanat
3 T low sugar marmalade (I used WF apricot spread)
1 T butter; melted
1 envelope active dry wheat

Put the boiling water and rolled oats in the machine and let sit for 30 minutes
Add the rest of the ingredients in the order given, put the melted butter around the edges, the marmalade in the corners and make a small well in the center to put the yeast in.

Bake according to the machines directions for WW bread.

The bit of bread I tried did not cause my bad reactions to wheat but I am definitely going to try it with oat flour instead.

But it looks like the vital wheat glutin is just plain glutin, so with an intolerance it will likely cause the same problems as regular bread.

Pat

patns
07-23-2012, 11:20 PM
MaMaZu

The bread may be risky for you as I don't know about the vital wheat glutin and I don't know if you can handle oats. If so here is a "pancake" I had when doing Dukan. That plan is ultra low carb but he recommends a bit of oat bran to combat constipation.

He uses quark which is a German soft cheese and crazy expensive here, so I used Greek yogurt instead.

Mix
1 egg
2 T Quark or Greek Yogurt
2 T Oat Bran
If too stiff add a bit of skim milk
Cook it slowly over medium heat in a slightly oiled pan

Pat

MaMaZu
07-24-2012, 02:13 AM
MaMaZu

The bread may be risky for you as I don't know about the vital wheat glutin and I don't know if you can handle oats. If so here is a "pancake" I had when doing Dukan. That plan is ultra low carb but he recommends a bit of oat bran to combat constipation.

He uses quark which is a German soft cheese and crazy expensive here, so I used Greek yogurt instead.

Mix
1 egg
2 T Quark or Greek Yogurt
2 T Oat Bran
If too stiff add a bit of skim milk
Cook it slowly over medium heat in a slightly oiled pan

Pat

I'll definitely give this a try,sounds great! Thanks so much!

Maile
07-24-2012, 09:05 AM
Patns: Those look like good recipes..plus I have a breadmaker..I am going to try quark. Your comment about letting the pancreas sleep was amusing. I am going to check out that cookbook..as I try to stay low glycemic..corn was not low glycemic.

Sneuse: It is a lot of work to stay healthy. I felt like my weekends were spend shopping and cooking to be ready for the week!

Mamazu: Good luck with your experimenting.

Ishbel: I was sorry to hear about your pain. Are you feeling better? That was a powerful reaction to wheat. If it was like gallbladder pain, it was awful!

So yesterday I had 3 students and the janitor helping me lift furniture in my room. as it was 95 degrees I told them I would get them some icecream..So here I am driving with 4 Dairy Queen Blizarrds..milkshakes. I started thinking boy it has been a long time since I have had one..ie years..The physical presence of food can set off a trigger..fortunately I gave them to my helpers.

Netrition.com has Dixie Carb Counters classic Muffin Mix..It is gluten free with no sugar alcohols. It is excellent..1 net carb.

patns
07-24-2012, 01:22 PM
Wow so many of us are teachers!. I am a teacher but now working as a consultant, still for my school board but not in my own classroom. More in a coaching position.
We go to school until the end of June and are back usually the last week in August. But I will have to do some assessments of new "special" students in mid August so time is passing fast.
I bring up the teacher point because there is a very common pattern for teachers and weight issues that I read about which makes sense to me.

We are so incredibly busy and multi-tasking at such rapid speeds that we are not really processing much about ourselves. So the day passes in a blur and we are often not eating or if we are not processing what we are eating.

So late afternoon after the last young 'un is out the door we are exhausted and starving. In that state we seek out carbs and very often take in most of our foods late afternoon into the evening. Most of what we can grab easily while doing all the school stuff that piles up when the kids are there plus going home and preparing food for family leads to very unhealthy eating patterns.

It takes very deliberate planning to break this pattern which is why I think IP worked so well for many of us. The structure and the convenience of the packets is just what the Dr ordered, not to mention the braking of the carb addiction as schools are awash with processed carbs.
So cheers for Dr.Chanh Tran Tien!
Pat

patns
07-24-2012, 01:33 PM
I'll definitely give this a try,sounds great! Thanks so much!

So glad I didn't confuse the issue with my bread talk!

I was thinking later how upset I had been when I couldn't handle phase 3. I felt like such a failure and was sure I was going to regain all my weight back overnight. If I could handle dairy it would have been easier as I love yogurt and berries. But a few days of morning yogurt and the sinus infections began. I can only have a few tablespoons of yogurt a day so the Dukan pancake is great for me.

So I went back on phase 2 to finish the time I should have been on phase 3 and then went on to maintenance. That has not been too hard so I forgot how upset I was on phase 3. I thought I was going to live with a comatose pancreas forever! Maybe I am but maintenance is far easier for me than phase 3.

You will work your way through this step too.

Pat

patns
07-24-2012, 01:49 PM
[QUOTE=Maile;4414876]Patns: Those look like good recipes..plus I have a breadmaker..I am going to try quark. Your comment about letting the pancreas sleep was amusing. I am going to check out that cookbook..as I try to stay low glycemic..corn was not low glycemic.

QUOTE]


I am so glad you and other successful maintainers stop back in on this thread. So many people are successful then disappear. I always wonder how they are doing long term.

For me the biggest learning curve with the whole journey is maintenance.
I have lost huge amounts of weight on many types of diets but have never learned to maintain. So I really have to work my way through it this time.

What I love about that cookbook is that it is Glycemic load, not Glycemic Index. GL takes into account how much of a certain food you would be able to eat rather than just what the Index is.

I love so many of the recipes in the book but know if I go all out with them I will regain quickly. So I am picking some carefully to try but will not have them everyday. I am also using some from the Carb Sensitivity program to work in too.
I have the original book that goes with the GL cookbook, it is by Rob Thompson.
But all the info in that is in the cookbook.

I am up 3 pounds so need to get that off before I can dip into these recipes. Too many outings and fresh fruit in July so need to buckle down again.

Pat

purple sky
07-24-2012, 02:25 PM
Last year I did corn for breakfast. Yum. I do believe it resulted in some successful bathroom time. That and mangoes. I have not yet ventured back to those this year. Yum. I am slowy adding fruits back in but if strawberries are sweet and juicey I can't step eating them. I found sliced apples at costco. They make a nice snack for me, since I am too lazy to cut it up myself and they have the nutritional info on the package.

The almond butter bars I made this weekend were good, so good I ate most of the pan so I am on the fence about their success. I suspect if I ate the proper portion (1/4) I would have been fine.

Dairy Queen. Sometimes I find the smell of sweets to be most challenging

I wanted to ask you guys about the Carb Sensitivity Program book since it comes out here soon. I know Dr. Turner focuses on hormones. Is this book mostly for women or will her recipes and suggestions work for both men and women? It is available on Amazon here in about 2 weeks.

patns
07-24-2012, 10:33 PM
I think Dr. Turner's previous book may have been more for woman, but I don't have it. That one was called The Hormone Diet.

In this one many of the examples she uses are men and men are pictured in many of the exercise pictures are of men.

Pat

Pat

Ishbel
07-25-2012, 04:02 PM
sneuse Welcome to maintenance, I probably would do a little de-tox and see how you feel?? I haven't had to go more then one or two days f Phase 1 but I was told if you go over 5-7 days on Phase one you should do a mini phase off. As to being easier, I think my anxiety level is lower and I do find myself structured in Phase 4 to be able to follow the rules and right now I'm ok with that structure, the whole keeping fat/carbs separate is comforting to me. Take it slow; add in gently to see what happens! Take it from my wheat post, go slow! lol

dakin When I first fed the VIP some quinoa he said it tasted like ants...which caused a funny discussion about how he would know that. :D We decided he meant the texture, I find it FAB when I eat it...love it and prefer it over rice.

So, the pain eventually went away, I did some minor investigations. Was told by the Health lady at work that most people are slightly intolerant to gluten and as I had removed it completely from my diet that I should be cautious with it as my body is no longer used to wheat. So having the sluggish feeling is 'normal' but with pain like that that means just have a little bit here and there. It's definitely keeping me away...that was NASTY! I also am going for lunch with someone who's studying to be a naturopath so I'll have an interesting discussion with her this week for SURE! :)

VIP is home, totally loving that he's home....

Busymomx4
07-26-2012, 08:52 AM
Good morning

Ishbel - Glad you got some answer and hopefully will be able to avoid that pain again!

So last night was a MAJOR slip...started with a little treat and went downhill from there...so phase 1 today. Figured i would do 2 days of phase 1, than one day of phase 3 so that i can still have my cheat day on Sunday.

I still feel quite ashamed to have lost control like that though :o

Lian
07-26-2012, 10:54 AM
Starting phrase 4 Sunday, and heading on holiday for 12 days....so just making my grocery list, could you help me by telling me
what kind of snacks do u all eat and do you have 2 extra snacks per day aswell as breakfast, lunch and dinner.....

Ishbel
07-26-2012, 11:20 AM
Lian My snacks are single serving yogurts (the dessert ones sweetened with splenda), various veggies, fruit with greek yogurt, cheese strings, ham sticks. These are all eaten at various times dependant on the rules of carbs/fat seperate. Ie, I will not have a cheese string at 4 pm due to carbs for supper so I'll have a fat free yogurt instead. And I won't have a fat free yogurt before lunch due to the carbs, so if I needed something I'd have a cheese string with a ham stick (total cals 110).

Hope this helps - and this is only what "I" do, others may have some great suggestions and may chime in.

Lian
07-26-2012, 11:41 AM
That does really help thank you....................:)
Congratulations on how well you have done...........

purple sky
07-26-2012, 12:43 PM
So last night was a MAJOR slip...started with a little treat and went downhill from there...so phase 1 today. Figured i would do 2 days of phase 1, than one day of phase 3 so that i can still have my cheat day on Sunday.

I still feel quite ashamed to have lost control like that though :o

You might not have to do all that but try it out and see where it gets you. And don't worry about slips. That is what maintenance is about. The lack of control is something that hits a lot of us early on in maintenance. It's scary because after doing so well on other phases and exercising such control we are sort of let loose. And sometimes we just keep going and going and going and can't stop. A number of us experienced that problem with certain food items, an inability to stop.

Lately, I have been doing some P4 days. Well, splurge days. Well, spurge weekends. Each time I had to give it till Thursday to see the scale get back to normal. But, what was interesting to me was that my body basically did the same thing with 4 days of eating as it did with the spurge day. The same thing. Took me till Thursday to get back to normal and I can't explain that one. It did the same thing when I started maintenance with a vacation. I was away like 5 days, went back to P3 and in a few days the scale was normal again. I cannot explain it as this is one day or one meal vs like 4 or 5 days of freer eating and the results are the same.

The body must be saying, oh you are getting back to normal now, okay I will release. The strange thing is that while I feel puffy my clothes are not always tighter. Just sometimes. Anyway, this is a learning process.

Hang in there, Busymomx. You are doing the right thing. The most important thing to do is catch yourself and get back on the wagon so you feel better again. Sometimes a splurge meals slips into a splurge weekend then a splurge week and so on and so on. And I have to admit that after my second 4 day splurge I had a lot of trouble getting back on track and fighting cravings. Those carbs were in me and pulling me. Much harder to control. But, after the first 4 day splurge and also after my first vacation I was so motivated to get back to my normal. But recently, it was much, much harder.

Lian, some of us like Simply Bars. I don't know if there is enough time for you to get them but I do believe they are more readily available in Canada. They don't have a coating so they are easier for summer travel but they are not as sweet as IP bars. Also carrying nuts can help with cravings and hunger sometimes.

Busymomx4
07-26-2012, 01:35 PM
You might not have to do all that but try it out and see where it gets you. And don't worry about slips. That is what maintenance is about. The lack of control is something that hits a lot of us early on in maintenance. It's scary because after doing so well on other phases and exercising such control we are sort of let loose. And sometimes we just keep going and going and going and can't stop. A number of us experienced that problem with certain food items, an inability to stop.

Lately, I have been doing some P4 days. Well, splurge days. Well, spurge weekends. Each time I had to give it till Thursday to see the scale get back to normal. But, what was interesting to me was that my body basically did the same thing with 4 days of eating as it did with the spurge day. The same thing. Took me till Thursday to get back to normal and I can't explain that one. It did the same thing when I started maintenance with a vacation. I was away like 5 days, went back to P3 and in a few days the scale was normal again. I cannot explain it as this is one day or one meal vs like 4 or 5 days of freer eating and the results are the same.

The body must be saying, oh you are getting back to normal now, okay I will release. The strange thing is that while I feel puffy my clothes are not always tighter. Just sometimes. Anyway, this is a learning process.

Hang in there, Busymomx. You are doing the right thing. The most important thing to do is catch yourself and get back on the wagon so you feel better again. Sometimes a splurge meals slips into a splurge weekend then a splurge week and so on and so on. And I have to admit that after my second 4 day splurge I had a lot of trouble getting back on track and fighting cravings. Those carbs were in me and pulling me. Much harder to control. But, after the first 4 day splurge and also after my first vacation I was so motivated to get back to my normal. But recently, it was much, much harder.

Thank you, glad to see i'm not alone.

My body is really weird. I don't usually have much of a gain after a cheat day but i will go up the following day after a phase 1 day. Makes things very confusing. I usually don't go back all the way down unless i do at least 2 days of phase 3 (vs phase 4). Guess that would make me carb sensitive maybe?

purple sky
07-26-2012, 07:53 PM
Busymomx4, this is very confusing. What I was experiencing in month 1 of maintenance is so different from now. We are all so different and maintain very differently. Some continue to restrict carbs greatly. Some can eat more carbs but have to be selective. Keep sharing your experiences. It helps so many. P1 was very similar for so many. We could share absolute truths but there is so much variety and experimentation in P4. I do better sticking closer to P3 but that is me. I'd say I do a P3.5 or P3.2. LOL! When I go full scale carbs I just don't feel good. But, sometimes I do. Sometimes I feel fine and the scale is fine so I have not figured it out yet. I just keep trying. It's the cravings I do not like. I don't have any today so it must all be out of my system but they were strong last week. Bread, bread. bread...gimme bread. That's what my body was saying.

capricious
07-27-2012, 01:08 AM
PurpleSky- you make me laugh! Thank you! Bread... Bread...gimme bread is one of my body's favorite mantras after I have given it bread once. Once it's in me it is as you said... It takes hold and I have to fight so much harder not to have more than I would have if I'd just not had it in the first place :(
I have to go to sleep now.
This is my biggest downfall. If I do not get enough sleep my body CRAVES the easy energy of carbs. My will to fight said craving is weaker because I'm far from my best when tired.
Just wanted to thank you all... Love reading on here...

Maile
07-27-2012, 08:40 AM
Wow so many of us are teachers!. I am a teacher but now working as a consultant, still for my school board but not in my own classroom. More in a coaching position.
We go to school until the end of June and are back usually the last week in August. But I will have to do some assessments of new "special" students in mid August so time is passing fast.
I bring up the teacher point because there is a very common pattern for teachers and weight issues that I read about which makes sense to me.

We are so incredibly busy and multi-tasking at such rapid speeds that we are not really processing much about ourselves. So the day passes in a blur and we are often not eating or if we are not processing what we are eating.

So late afternoon after the last young 'un is out the door we are exhausted and starving. In that state we seek out carbs and very often take in most of our foods late afternoon into the evening. Most of what we can grab easily while doing all the school stuff that piles up when the kids are there plus going home and preparing food for family leads to very unhealthy eating patterns.

It takes very deliberate planning to break this pattern which is why I think IP worked so well for many of us. The structure and the convenience of the packets is just what the Dr ordered, not to mention the braking of the carb addiction as schools are awash with processed carbs.
So cheers for Dr.Chanh Tran Tien!
Pat
Pat,
You are right about teaching and its demands.It is all too easy to spend a busy work day and to not focus on taking care of yourself. I was in that quick and easy carbohydrate way of living also. I also did not make time to exercise either. I admit the packets of Ip made it easy to be structured and stay on!!!! It was very helpful in losing weight.

However, I think all of us..no matter what job we have, run into the same thing. We can easily let jobs and family consume our time, and not pay attention to ourselves. IP and its structure and accountability were so helpful to me!!!

I too have lost weight and regained it many times. I am determined to maintain this time. I am so done with being overweight in my life. I started this process a year and 7 months ago.

Lately, though I been feeling the maintenaner's blahs..I am get tired of my old healthy recipes..even though they are very good. I have ordered that book you recommend to get some new Inspiration! I find reading health books usually inspires me.

Maile
07-27-2012, 09:01 AM
Lian: I only have one snack..It is usually 1-2oz of nuts in the afternoon. Good luck.

Purple Sky: I am waiting for that book to come out on Amazon also.
I hear you on the bread..my downfall used to be really good bread covered with butter! It is so helpful to read everyone's approaches and ideas on maintenance...as we are all different.

Busymom: Keep telling yourself that this is a learning process. You are learning how to maintain. You are wise to jump back on Phase1 and will soon feel much better.

Ishbel: I am glad you are feeling better. Nice that the VIP is home..ant quinoa was amusing!

Cap: I am the same way..when I do not have enough sleep and get really tired, that is when cravings can hit. I do admit to drinking diet coke now and then if needed. Hope you get some rest.

No corn for breakfast..but tomorrow I am making sushi for a dinner party. I am seriously thinking of having sushi for breakfast!

capricious
07-27-2012, 12:05 PM
The Carb Sensitivity book applies to both sexes as both have hormones :). Just one has more testosterone and one more estrogen... Both still need to watch carbs as they cause weight gain and added visceral fat in both as well as imbalances in our digestive systems...
That said the recipes in this book are very good and if you're looking to change it up a bit and reinforce that you're on the right track keeping it low carb this book is for you.
Maile- One of my favorite recipes is for Shrimp & Green Beans. It's deceptively simple as it is quite tasty (IMHO).
1.5 T olive oil
1 lb green beans
1 Vidalia onion
8oz cooked baby shrimp

Heat oil in large skillet add grean beans and sauté until they are lightly browned (4-6 minutes med/ high heat). Add sliced onion letting them soften and then add shrimp til warmed. This is 2 servings.

Lian- if you decide to pick up Simply bars to have as your snack they can be found at Superstore in the organic section where the bars are. Hard Boiled eggs are one of my go to snacks and I usually have them with peppers that I've cut up.
Patns- vital wheat gluten is added because there usn't enough naturally occurin gluten in the recipe for the bread to rise properly. Recipes with xantham gum are typically ones that are gluten free. In baking you can get away without the gluten with the addition of baking powder. It's not quite the same but it gets pretty darn close.
I have joined a running clinic to run a 10 k. It was my goal before I got sidelined by my calves and now it have again. Definitely pretty unconditioned from my 5 weeks off of exercise. I got so winded in step and brought up the rear of my running group last week. But I keep telling myself to just keep at it and it will get better. And it has. This week I could make it through my step class without feeling like I was going to pass out (yay!!!) and this week there were a couple people behind me in my running group and I didn't feel like I was in serious danger of losing my supper like I did last week :). Ahhh the joys of exercise. But nothing improves my mood more...
We're off to the cabin this weekend so cut off from civilization I'll be. (can't help it Ishbel yoda is strong in me today :))

Chloe222
07-27-2012, 12:30 PM
Last year I did corn for breakfast. Yum. I do believe it resulted in some successful bathroom time. That and mangoes. I have not yet ventured back to those this year. Yum. I am slowy adding fruits back in but if strawberries are sweet and juicey I can't step eating them. I found sliced apples at costco. They make a nice snack for me, since I am too lazy to cut it up myself and they have the nutritional info on the package.

The almond butter bars I made this weekend were good, so good I ate most of the pan so I am on the fence about their success. I suspect if I ate the proper portion (1/4) I would have been fine.

Dairy Queen. Sometimes I find the smell of sweets to be most challenging

I wanted to ask you guys about the Carb Sensitivity Program book since it comes out here soon. I know Dr. Turner focuses on hormones. Is this book mostly for women or will her recipes and suggestions work for both men and women? It is available on Amazon here in about 2 weeks.

Hi Purple Sky,
Would you share the recipe for your almond butter bars?

I have been on this thread quite a bit, knowing I will soon join your ranks. When I was on WW, my goal weight was 155. I'm now at 147 or so, and may just stop at 140 or so, don't want to look gaunt in the face and neck and it looks like I'm starting to look a little drawn...Just wish those thighs would slim a little more!

I appreciate all the advice I pick up here.

purple sky
07-27-2012, 12:48 PM
I think I am going to look for some really good quality pita, the kind I have had in some restaurants and maybe start making my own pizza here. Was it you Maile that suggested that once? I don't actually crave pasta, or potatoes or rice or even french breads but pizza seems to be something i enjoy. Much to my dismay my favorite place decided to add extra mounds of cheese and sauce so it was not longer good. Seriously, it was soaked through and I could not even eat it by hand. I like flat bread type pizzas with bits of fun stuff on top, not too much cheese. Needless to say I felt awful But as of yesterday bread no longer had a hold on me.

I tried a mango yesterday. I did not even care if it was not sweet. I usually wait for them to ripe but no I just ate it. Wasn't stringy or nuthin. Yum.

I am trying to work on introducing more carbs. It seems to work best for me to introduce one or two here and there with my regular meals rather than a splurge meal or day. Those events have repercussions and I just hate feeling like crap. I don't really want to remain in a permanent diet state.

Maile, I hear ya on needing to change it up a bit. So this is what I am working with lately. Eating out a lot exposed me to regular foods and how they do it so it has been a goal of mine to figure out how to do "my version" of it.

Here's a version of something I might play with
http://mariahealth.blogspot.com/2012/07/pasta-with-lemon-cream-and-prosciutto.html
It's a lemon cream sauce.

I am starting to pay attn to what they do with vegetables on cooking shows. I can omit a few tings and reduce the oil. Apparently cooking shows feeling compelled to put a 1/2 of oil into any single dish.

Anyway, my point is that I hit a dull spot in all this. When in autopilot mode i am fine but as soon as I venture out I want, more, more more and different. And that's what I am working on. I want pizza. Rather than go whole hog and getting one, maybe put some fun stuff on flatbread. Meet it in the middle.

Because when I restrict, my mind place the 'gimme gimme gimme' song over and over.

Something like that lemon cream sauce might satisfy (have not tried it yet) the creamy richness I am sometimes missing.

Cap, everytime I read about your cabin I go ahhhhh. Thanx for the reminder. I need to get out into nature more. It's not far from me. I just don't do it enough.

I did the hard part which was the base of this diet now it's time to expand into everyday living and routines. And work on my new normal. That has been my focus lately. So I don't feel deprived or lacking or bored or disinterested. I sorta ditched veggies a while ago because I lost interest in them. Now, I want to get back on track and find my new normal, something in between the restrictiveness of IP and eating out. I had no idea that I was consuming something like 80% carbs before and high glycemic and fat ones. It's not until you spend time with others that you see just how much booze, sugar and carbs are consumed in a day with hardly a vegetable or more than a glass or two of water. That used to be me. So, I'll find my middle and call that maintenance. I am in this for the long haul.

Paleo Breakfast Bars coming right up.

purple sky
07-27-2012, 12:57 PM
I made this ladies. Yum.

From Elena's Pantry.

http://www.elanaspantry.com/paleo-breakfast-bread/
There is a video link if you want to see it as well. Quick and easy.
Especially if you keep almond butter on hand
Read comments for substitutions. I do like cinnamon but for some it was too much. I used coconut nectar instead of honey. You can probably skip the honey (or agave) but I think it does something to the texture.

I wish I could give you the nutritional breakdown. But, a 1/2 cup of almond butter is like 800 calories and a good amt of fat and carbs. The rest of the calories and fat came from the nectar and eggs. I know most of us can do more fat than other things in our diets.

I do try to follow the basic IP rule of eat the richest or most at breakfast. The rest of the day I am a bit lighter, sometimes. Still experimenting. These turned out surprisingly light. Not like brownies.


Paleo Breakfast Bread

½ cup creamy roasted almond butter
2 eggs
2 tablespoons honey
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
¼ teaspoon stevia
¼ teaspoon celtic sea salt
¼ teaspoon baking soda
1 tablespoon cinnamon

In a large bowl, with a hand blender, mix almond butter until creamy
Mix in eggs, honey, vanilla and stevia
Add salt, baking soda and cinnamon
Mix well with hand blender until all ingredients are combined
Transfer batter into a well greased 8x8 inch Pyrex baking dish
Bake at 325° for 12 to 15 minutes
Serve

Serves 4

Okay, it's next day. Scale is up. So, this might be a maybe for you guys. Quite good though. Very light but I ate too much of it.

Okay, these were really good. But don't eat most of the pan like I did. Could result in a slight uptick in the scale. I don't know about substituting sweeteners. I might just try stevia only next time. The bulk of the calories and fat come from the almond butter. Some used sunflower butter but it turns green. I don't think is a problem. Read the comments.

They are light but sorta of rich. Just not dense like a brownie. The center does not fully cook. But it tastes good. Creamy.

If I stuck to my portion (1/4) I ballparked it at 250 calories but the fat content is high.

Busymomx4
07-27-2012, 01:14 PM
I think I am going to look for some really good quality pita, the kind I have had in some restaurants and maybe start making my own pizza here.

At my house, its always pita pizzas, the kids love it. I haven't had any yet since starting IP but i figured i could have it for dinner, use the pita and use some fat free cheese and load it with veggies, etc. Hmmm now i want some, lol.

Lian
07-27-2012, 01:22 PM
Just out of interest, do any of you maintainers make any recipes out of the eat clean book???
I have seen many reciped but they involve say oats and almond butter looking into cookies or protein bars etc to take with us on holiday....
Do alot of you seperate carbs and fats still???

Ishbel
07-27-2012, 01:34 PM
I use the eat clean book for cooking and always seperate my fats and carbs...there will always be room for indulging and minor slip ups (as long as it doesn't happen daily/weekly I think it's ok) but so far I'm mindful and as it's working for me I will continue to be mindful.

I am generally pretty low carb and at night I really try to make sure I have a protein laced snack as I don't and can't sleep when hungry.

Busymomx4
07-27-2012, 01:43 PM
Just out of interest, do any of you maintainers make any recipes out of the eat clean book???
I have seen many reciped but they involve say oats and almond butter looking into cookies or protein bars etc to take with us on holiday....
Do alot of you seperate carbs and fats still???

I think the fat/carb dissociation is one of the most important rule to follow and i usually follow it. I'll have cheese, salad dressing, mayo with lunch and pasta, bread products, carb veggies with dinner but most of the time, i don't have carbs with dinner but have yogourt with berries for evening snack.

purple sky
07-27-2012, 03:26 PM
What is eat clean??

I try to use the carb/fat separation rule. It does seem to help. But, it is confusing at first. It's not always easy to separate so I try to reduce the non-dominant item. Small amt. of butter with bread. Small amt. of pasta or something wheatlike in salad. Sm. amt of cheese with pizza. I also pay attn. to how I feel.

Ishbel
07-27-2012, 03:38 PM
What is eat clean??

Hey purple, check out Tosca Reno (google her) and her eating clean diet. :) I like her cook books as they provide the nutrient lists...:)

Maile
07-28-2012, 12:02 PM
Purple Sky: For my pizza cravings I order a Papa Murphy's thin crust regular vegetarian with no cheese..yes I know it is crazy. Then i put turkey pepperoni
on it..You could also add lf cheese if you want. I cut off the edges of the crust. So far I have never gained weight by eating that small amount of crust.

2nd solution: I use a low carb pita bread. Then put 1/2 c pasta sauce, 1/2 c ricotta cheese..various veges. This is another weird breakfast of mine. I consider the pasta to be a fruit, the ricotta is for the yogurt, and the bread is the bread.
Netrition.com sells a low carb Toufayan pita which is good..They also have a st Joseph's flax oat pita that is very low carb. I have also heard of people making pizza with a low carb tortilla.

I agree with you..we have got make this work by finding healthy foods you really enjoy.That involves experimenting and searching when you get unmotivated. Your lemon cream sounds good.

I have found that making various sauces or dips makes me feel like I am eating something special...I make tahini sauce..cilantro greek yogurt..or chimichuri. I use these with various meats.

Thanks everyone for the recipes and sites to check out.

Today's experiment is a ground turkey basil Thai stir fry.

BCGirl
07-28-2012, 04:08 PM
I got a little over my goal weight so have been on phase 1 for a week and am back in range - any issue with just going to phase 4 or should I go through 3 even after just a week?

Any advice would be appreciated :)

Ishbel
07-28-2012, 07:40 PM
I got a little over my goal weight so have been on phase 1 for a week and am back in range - any issue with just going to phase 4 or should I go through 3 even after just a week?

Any advice would be appreciated :)

I haven't done any 'rebooting' yet as I'm a baby maintainer, BUT PERSONALLY I would do a few days of each as soon as you go over 5 days of Phase 1, one or two days each....maybe someone else can chime in.

Let us know what you do and the results though ok :)

Ishbel
07-30-2012, 09:48 AM
WOW, I can hear the crickets in here...:)

So, had a great weekend, I'm running on the Phase 1 day vice the cheat day as I find I'm way more hungry the day after and not as hungry the day that I actually run. So it works out that I'm running on a Phase 1 day (not as hungry) and then back to regular on Monday (I know I've repeated myself but I'm leaving it) lol

Ran 10 km yesterday, I was S-L-O-W with 1 hr 8 minutes...I've been consitently running twice a week for 5 weeks now and I'm very happy with that.

We went over to a 'new' friends place who had snacks...fruit salsa with no added sugar. About a year ago he lost 50 lbs and still uses a food scale on the kitchen table during supper it was nice to be around people who didn't have scores of food that I had to sit around while playing games.

Hope everyone had a great weekend!

Maile
07-30-2012, 10:32 AM
Ishbel: How nice that you have friends who are in to healthy eating and measuring. I use my scale a lot. I just came from a barbecue where no one was into healthy eating..fortunately i just munched on my coleslaw and ignored the rest.

A NSV. I made a some sushi for the dinner party. I made a conscious decision to have 2 pieces for breakfast..This is inari sushi which had some sugar in a tofu pocket of rice. After one, I decided that was enough..and did not have the second. This was always a childhood trigger food. I see a real change in my eating habits!

BC girl: Try whatever works for you. Everyone is different here. Some people do all of the Phases Again and work up to 4. I just eat Phase 1 for a day or until the weight goes down and then start eating phase 3/4 again.

bigpassport
07-31-2012, 08:54 AM
Sorry I've been MIA. After doing a couple great weeks on P1, I fell off the wagon:( I'm heading up to our mountain cabin for a mini vacation for a few days. Then DH and I plan to do P1 hard to lose weight before our cruise in November. Argh. I wish I could get the hang of maintaining!! It's been almost a year.

Momto2cs
07-31-2012, 09:18 AM
It is so hard to really commit to phase 1 again for a long stretch when you are still close to goal. It will help that dh is with you!
Summer is also a tough time if you are traveling...

Maile
08-01-2012, 09:38 AM
Lee: I am glad your husband is doing P1 with you. Where are you going on your cruise?

Momto2cs: Do you find it harder to go in the gym in the summer? I seem to want to be outside and walk now.

I have got three out of 4 kids at home now. It is amazing to me how busy I am with kids activities and really need to watch that I do not skip exercise.

FYI: I had a mammogram and the dr said my nodules had shrunk due to losing weight!

swimcoachmomma
08-01-2012, 11:06 AM
good morning all. Big NSV for me last night. Still maintaining in my 3 pound window. yay. Big time stress at work- one of those political nightmares. Big meeting last night where i was stuck in the middle of a big argument. My new confidence allowed me to present my position from strength, not weakness or apology. And afterwards, when the emotions usually hit and I dissolve in tears, I held it together. Yay me!! Also, in the past, the old me would have stopped for a DQ Blizzard and a family size bag of cheetos. I went home and had some Jerky, greek yogurt and strawberries. I did not eat the house!! Or the sink. or the dog. lol

Momto2cs
08-01-2012, 12:40 PM
Maile

I am a routine girl and when in town am at the gym 5-6 days a week. I crave the stress relief and satisfaction of working out!
Traveling has been harder-we went to a small town for a week with no gym.

I am back at it and glad to see I feel the same as when I left-except for about 5 extra pounds!! On strict phase 1 until they are gone! It is definitely working as I peed 20 times yesterday and feel way less bloated already and this is only day 3.

purple sky
08-02-2012, 01:07 AM
Fell off the wagon...ugh

The good thing is that my butt seems to have come back, or some of it. Nice to have the padding again but not everywhere else. Super hungry. Super bloatded. Oh well.

I think I was testing and testing perhaps to see just how far I could go. Well, I figured it out. Too far. Too thick. Too bloated. So hopefully soon I'll get back on track because this is not fun.

The unfortunate part in all of this is that pretty much since Saturday I have felt good, like calmer or something. I wonder if carbs do that for you, so this is gonna be tough. To trade in my butt and my calmer to get into those jeans I bought last week.

Stuff tastes good in the mouth but soon after just feels bad. And worse the days after.

Thanx guys for the suggestions for pizza and eating clean.

Yeah Ishbel for running.
And yippy Maile for your NSV. And more importantly the shrunken nodules.

I almost made it to 90 days in maintenance staying right at 125, give or take a pound or two. That's my comfort zone, right in that range.

Okay guys catch ya later. I hope I will be a good girl tomorrow.

Momto2cs, peeing is good. Peeing is awesome. I also gotta do the other one which I suspect might be part of the problem.

Been on softer foods cause of dental work. Did not realize how much chewing we did on this diet.

Okay, catch ya later. This bleeps.

Maile
08-02-2012, 09:54 AM
Swimcoachmomma: What a great turning point for you at work. You dealt with that stress very well..both during the problem and later coming home and eating healthy food. ..very inspirational.

Momto2cs: I must admit that when I travel and do not have access to a gym I miss it also. It does give a stability to your life.good luck on getting those pounds off..I agree ..peeing means it is working.

Purple Sky: You are definitely experimenting and learning. Hope today goes well and you feel better! I hope you get into those jeans soon. SugarCarbs can make me feel better initially..but then low blood sugar hits and I feel sad and sleepy.

Maile
08-02-2012, 09:54 AM
I though this was a light hearted look at maintenance.


Phases of Maintenance

1) Honeymoon Phase
“Woo hoo! I’m smaller! I can wear normal-sized clothes! Who IS that person in the mirror, anyway?!”
“Wait a minute, what should I be eating, now? How much should I be eating now?”

2) Is this it?
“Is this all there is?”
“How come my life isn’t magically better in all aspects?”
“Sure I look better and can move better, but this sure feels like a lot of work. Can I stop tracking, now?”

3) Regain. Ouch.
“Maybe It’s just water gain. Maybe this is just normal fluctuation. Maybe the goal weight I’d picked isn’t sustainable.”
“OMG, it’s starting all over again. I’m going back to square one, I can feel it. I’m going to gain it all back again! Damn, damn, damn.”
“Do I have enough courage to admit there’s a problem and I need to track more carefully and increase my exercise?”

4) Re-loss. Sigh.
“Well, this situation isn’t pretty, but it’s reality. At least I know how to get the weight back off. Ugh.”
“I can’t believe I let this get away from me. Never again.”

5) Yay, I’m finally back in my “Happy Range.”
“This isn’t as exciting as it was the first time I was here, but it’s nice in a homey sort of way. I like wearing my favorite jeans.”
“Yeah, tracking is a pain, but I like my life at this size, so I’m gonna do it.”

6) Body Recomposition and new goals.
“I wonder if I could benefit from skin removal?”
“What about body fat and muscle? How can I manipulate them?”
“I wonder if I would prefer to be more (or fewer) pounds?”
“What would it be like to run a marathon? Squat more than my body weight? Kayak cleanly down a class IV-V river?”

Momto2cs
08-02-2012, 09:56 AM
Day 4. I can't believe how hungry I have been all week. I know it's part carb withdrawal and part Pms. But it's killing me!
Last night I resisted drinking wine with a friend who was down. For me that's a big one. I am easily swayed! My goal is to stick on phase 1 over the weekend. I still need at least 3 more pounds to whoosh away to be back in my comfort zone. It is a long weekend for us in Alberta...this will be a real challenge!

swimcoachmomma
08-02-2012, 09:57 AM
I though this was a light hearted look at maintenance.


Phases of Maintenance

1) Honeymoon Phase
“Woo hoo! I’m smaller! I can wear normal-sized clothes! Who IS that person in the mirror, anyway?!”
“Wait a minute, what should I be eating, now? How much should I be eating now?”

2) Is this it?
“Is this all there is?”
“How come my life isn’t magically better in all aspects?”
“Sure I look better and can move better, but this sure feels like a lot of work. Can I stop tracking, now?”

3) Regain. Ouch.
“Maybe It’s just water gain. Maybe this is just normal fluctuation. Maybe the goal weight I’d picked isn’t sustainable.”
“OMG, it’s starting all over again. I’m going back to square one, I can feel it. I’m going to gain it all back again! Damn, damn, damn.”
“Do I have enough courage to admit there’s a problem and I need to track more carefully and increase my exercise?”

4) Re-loss. Sigh.
“Well, this situation isn’t pretty, but it’s reality. At least I know how to get the weight back off. Ugh.”
“I can’t believe I let this get away from me. Never again.”

5) Yay, I’m finally back in my “Happy Range.”
“This isn’t as exciting as it was the first time I was here, but it’s nice in a homey sort of way. I like wearing my favorite jeans.”
“Yeah, tracking is a pain, but I like my life at this size, so I’m gonna do it.”

6) Body Recomposition and new goals.
“I wonder if I could benefit from skin removal?”
“What about body fat and muscle? How can I manipulate them?”
“I wonder if I would prefer to be more (or fewer) pounds?”
“What would it be like to run a marathon? Squat more than my body weight? Kayak cleanly down a class IV-V river?”

yup. that is all so true. I really enjoy your posts. keep them coming.

Momto2cs
08-02-2012, 09:59 AM
Maile! That was fantastic! You have really captured the true phases of maintenance!

I am so at phase 6- I keep trying to find a new goal for myself. A big goal. I'm just not sure what it is yet...

Ishbel
08-02-2012, 10:42 AM
I though this was a light hearted look at maintenance.


Phases of Maintenance

1) Honeymoon Phase
“Woo hoo! I’m smaller! I can wear normal-sized clothes! Who IS that person in the mirror, anyway?!”
“Wait a minute, what should I be eating, now? How much should I be eating now?”

2) Is this it?
“Is this all there is?”
“How come my life isn’t magically better in all aspects?”
“Sure I look better and can move better, but this sure feels like a lot of work. Can I stop tracking, now?”

3) Regain. Ouch.
“Maybe It’s just water gain. Maybe this is just normal fluctuation. Maybe the goal weight I’d picked isn’t sustainable.”
“OMG, it’s starting all over again. I’m going back to square one, I can feel it. I’m going to gain it all back again! Damn, damn, damn.”
“Do I have enough courage to admit there’s a problem and I need to track more carefully and increase my exercise?”

4) Re-loss. Sigh.
“Well, this situation isn’t pretty, but it’s reality. At least I know how to get the weight back off. Ugh.”
“I can’t believe I let this get away from me. Never again.”

5) Yay, I’m finally back in my “Happy Range.”
“This isn’t as exciting as it was the first time I was here, but it’s nice in a homey sort of way. I like wearing my favorite jeans.”
“Yeah, tracking is a pain, but I like my life at this size, so I’m gonna do it.”

6) Body Recomposition and new goals.
“I wonder if I could benefit from skin removal?”
“What about body fat and muscle? How can I manipulate them?”
“I wonder if I would prefer to be more (or fewer) pounds?”
“What would it be like to run a marathon? Squat more than my body weight? Kayak cleanly down a class IV-V river?”

That's awesome Maile, I may have to print that out and post it in my office.

Today I'm definately at 2....backed into someone in a parking lot yesterday and had a horrible HORRIBLE day. So disgusted with myself, I totally looked over my shoulder but NOT both shoulders and he was already by me...and I bumped his back fender...so yes I'm wondering why my life isn't better in all aspects! lol

And with a trip to Europe coming up I'm sure I'll be hitting 3 soon...lol. So if I print it out maybe it will remind me there are other phase's to maintenance and to not stress about any potential gain as I've changed my lifestyle and it will be 'ok'.

I'm off to Calgary this weekend, going to hit up the running room. My 10k with the wrong shoes has caused me to NOT run for a while (hopeful this Sunday though), so apparently I need to spend the $$ on the shoes this weekend.

Momto2cs Sending you 'get thru the weekend' vibes!
purple Sending you 'get into those jeans' vibes :)

KChapman
08-02-2012, 11:33 AM
Hi everyone,

I am on my Day 1 of Phase 4 and I am really unsure about what to eat for lunch/dinner. Breakfast will remain Phase 3. I need rules! :o)

I'm just not sure what are the general rules regarding protein & fat meals and protein & carb meals. I have heard that protein and carb meals can have approx 5g fat total, but what about with the protein and fat meals - can I have 'any' carbs at all? i.e. carbs in fruit etc.?? Any help, advice, lunch ideas would be appreciated. I haven't really decided when in the day I will have each type of meal - i.e. dinner or lunch so that is still up in the air and may even switch from time to time depending on what I see on the scale.

Kelly

patns
08-02-2012, 11:56 AM
[QUOTE=KChapman;4424937]Hi everyone,

I am on my Day 1 of Phase 4 and I am really unsure about what to eat for lunch/dinner. Breakfast will remain Phase 3. I need rules! :o)

I'm just not sure what are the general rules regarding protein & fat meals and protein & carb meals. I have heard that protein and carb meals can have approx 5g fat total, but what about with the protein and fat meals - can I have 'any' carbs at all? i.e. carbs in fruit etc.?? Any help, advice, lunch ideas would be appreciated. I haven't really decided when in the day I will have each type of meal - i.e. dinner or lunch so that is still up in the air and may even switch from time to time depending on what I see on the scale.



Can't answer this because I am confused too. I think I am over thinking how to count the fat. Do you just count fats the same as they are listed on the protocols or the fats that are in the meats etc? I know to count it all to get the total (e.g. 5 grams) but it's the combining I'm confused about.

What I actually find the easiest is to have phase 2 days throught the week and a few extras on the weeks ends, just as a glass or two of wine; a slice of my low glycemic bread at weekend breakfast.

But I am 3 pounds about my upper goal now and need to buckle down.

I know I need to start building up muscle so I don't regain so easily.

But a real key has to be to get the few pounds up off right away. I don't want to be dealing with any more than a few pounds.

Maile, loved your summary of maintenance, it hit the nail on the head!

Ishbel, so sorry about your minor accident, there is nothing like an unexpected bump in the road like that to make you feel sick with stress. I hope by today you start to feel that it could be much worse.

We are going to Toronto on the 15th for a few days. I really have to get these few extra pounds off before then as I will want to do some shopping.

But I likely won't buy much because I hate paying taxes when I'm used to shopping in Alberta.

Pat

purple sky
08-02-2012, 12:26 PM
LOL! Phase 3 Maile. Thank you. And I definitely used more language than that.

purple sky
08-02-2012, 01:44 PM
Hi everyone,

I am on my Day 1 of Phase 4 and I am really unsure about what to eat for lunch/dinner. Breakfast will remain Phase 3. I need rules! :o)

I'm just not sure what are the general rules regarding protein & fat meals and protein & carb meals. I have heard that protein and carb meals can have approx 5g fat total, but what about with the protein and fat meals - can I have 'any' carbs at all? i.e. carbs in fruit etc.?? Any help, advice, lunch ideas would be appreciated. I haven't really decided when in the day I will have each type of meal - i.e. dinner or lunch so that is still up in the air and may even switch from time to time depending on what I see on the scale.

Kelly

Phase 4 does not really have rules. It's your experimentation phase where you try out different things to see what works for you.

Some add their fats to their lunch. So, if they are going to have say a salad with chicken, they add their fats to that. Things like cheese, nuts. I would initially stay away from dried fruit because of the sugar. Avocado is also considered a good fat. I don't know how many grams it is.

Some then add their carb to dinner. This might be rice or potato. Generally speaking a sweet potato might be a better choice over a white potato. Now what I don't know is if people add butter to that potato because then you are having fat and carbs. This is where people get confused with the rule and try to do their best. I also think some add pasta but limit the portion size. A red sauce over pasta might be better than a cream sauce again because of the carb and fat.

Snack choices may include things like string cheese, jerky (watch this as I have seen sugar on a lot of labels) almonds, hummus. . And fruit works for some while some stay away from fruit (sugar)

We all lost weight similarly on the diet with hard and fast rules. This is not the case for maintenance. You will find that some can regularly have some bread and pasta while others cannot. Some can have nuts. Others might overindulge in them. The same can be said for fruits.

The basic rule people follow is to try something out and if the scale is not up the next day, it's probably okay. In my experience this is not a hard and fast rule as some foods initially trigger a reaction and then if I keep on eating it I am fine. I thought I could not have strawberries but then I was fine. Had them daily. Then I tried a mango. Nothing happened. But, when I continued to eat them, the scale went up.

I think sometimes our bodies react to certain foods because we have not had them in a long time. Sometimes it takes a while to get used to it in the beginning. Sometimes it's just a no.

Enjoy day 1.

Lori T
08-02-2012, 02:32 PM
I started P4 just as we left for vacation so I didn't focus too much on how to plan my meals except I did try and stay away from carbs in the evening because I was drinking a fair amount of wine. I tried to make sure I got in enough protein but found it hard to get as many veggies as I am use to. I had a 2 1/2 lb gain but one day back on P1 put me back on track and down the 2 1/2. I am glad to see that others are a little confused about the not combining carbs and fats at lunch and/or dinner. I am a little nervous about the freedom I have in eating now, but also realize that, as you have said, it is experimentation to see what works and what doesn't. I love that as long as I don't let myself get totally out of control as I have in the past I can turn it around pretty quickly. I love the phases of maintenance someone posted because it is so true and right now, I am excited to continue this journey of feeling and looking good!

Busymomx4
08-02-2012, 03:02 PM
Ok i need experienced maintainers help here.

Last Saturday’s cheat day..ended up being a cheat week-end (Sunday wasn’t major just a few extra).

Ok so on Monday i weight in at 156.4 which is a lot but figured its ok after a cheat day eventhough i’m only usually up about 2lbs...not 7! So P1 Monday, lose only 0.6, ok so P1 again on Tuesday, only lose 0.8 so starting to freak out a little. Did a STRICT P3 yesterday (seriously, i could not have picked lower calories/carb/fat veggies and protein). This morning UP 1lb!

So now i’m pretty much back to where i was after TWO days of cheating. I’m totally freaking out and not sure what to do!

I went to the dr. yesterday due to TOM not showing up for the past 2 months and she thinks my hormones are out of whack so i’m going to go for blood test next week. But don't think it has anything to do with the gain.

My stomach has also being going a little nutty. No C problems but i’m dealing with gurgling sounds (very loud and i can even feel it) non-stop, constantly, 24 hours a day since Monday, any ideas what’s up with that?

So what should I do here? Was thinking of going back to phase 1 but so upset cause after 2 days of it, i had no results and its not supposed to be that way :(

purple sky
08-02-2012, 03:46 PM
After a normal cheat/splurge day or two it usually takes me about 3 or 4 days to see the scale get back to normal.

This week is different because I am not going back to my regular eating so the extra weight is hanging on longer. TOM also keeps it up.

I wonder if some of the digestive issues are due to the increase in carbs this week. DH snoring returns when he adds carbs back. I have more difficult breathing, more of the big C and some digestive stuff returns. I think our bodies freak out when we add back things.

This is how I am trying to see it but I am not sure. When we were on P1, we gave our pancreases a rest. It did not have to produce much insulin. The more carbs we eat, the more it has to produce. I think and I could be wrong, that it just sorta gives up or gets overwhelmed at a certain point at which time the body just starts storing again. And that maybe once it feels the coast is clear it will start releasing fat/pounds again. Dunno. This is just a theory. I am trying to figure this out because I have found no pattern. Pizza one week does nothing. Pizza another week is a disaster.

Also, remember that 2 pounds is 7000 calories. That's a lot of food no matter now you slice it.

Busymomx4
08-02-2012, 03:57 PM
After a normal cheat/splurge day or two it usually takes me about 3 or 4 days to see the scale get back to normal.

This week is different because I am not going back to my regular eating so the extra weight is hanging on longer. TOM also keeps it up.

I wonder if some of the digestive issues are due to the increase in carbs this week. DH snoring returns when he adds carbs back. I have more difficult breathing, more of the big C and some digestive stuff returns. I think our bodies freak out when we add back things.

This is how I am trying to see it but I am not sure. When we were on P1, we gave our pancreases a rest. It did not have to produce much insulin. The more carbs we eat, the more it has to produce. I think and I could be wrong, that it just sorta gives up or gets overwhelmed at a certain point at which time the body just starts storing again. And that maybe once it feels the coast is clear it will start releasing fat/pounds again. Dunno. This is just a theory. I am trying to figure this out because I have found no pattern. Pizza one week does nothing. Pizza another week is a disaster.

Also, remember that 2 pounds is 7000 calories. That's a lot of food no matter now you slice it.

Thanks for your input :)

The 2lbs after a cheat day is usually just food sitting there which is why it doesn't hang around after a day of Phase 1 and yes it takes sometimes a few days to go back to normal but i've never had such a gain (i certainly did not eat enough calories to gain 6lbs) and i never have to do 2 days of phase 1 with no results and a gain after a phase 3 day. Beside the few extras on sunday, it was a cheat day like all the others and i've never had such problems before.

Momto2cs
08-02-2012, 04:06 PM
Sometimes those extra carbs cause significant water retention.
I would stick with phase 1 until you flush it out.

My norm is like pat. I eat phase 1 or 2 during the week and allow for extras on the weekend, trying to stay fairly low carb.

I am usually back to normal be Wednesday, but sometimes it takes until Friday.

I am up from a 2 week trip. I can see and feel the bloating disappearing, but the scale has barely moved. It will of I stick with phase 1/2.

Even in maintenance I have had tom issues. I exercise a lot, so I blame that, combined with a pretty low cal diet.

Stick with phase 1 or 2 until you get back down.

purple sky
08-02-2012, 07:17 PM
Momto2cs, I wish I exercised like you. Such discipline.

2 weeks is a long trip. I hope you had fun. But I understand the bloating. It's very, very uncomfortable. How long do you think you will do P1/2?

I might have to do something like that for a while. I am just hoping it won't be too long.

Busymomx4 - Did you try some new foods this week? If this feels much worse than before (and we can't blame it on the full moon) do you think it's something new that you tried or too much of that one item?

Maile
08-03-2012, 09:47 AM
Busymomx4: I think it could also be water retention. You might try drinking lemon water or adding vinegar to your dressing. I would stick with Phase 1 until it comes down. Try not to panic..although I did the same thing when my weight went up..LOL. Phase 1 does work..and it will work for you.
I have had days when I lost 4 pounds then regained them the next day. The only thing I can figure out is water retention. Your stomach problem is interesting..could it be stress or maybe it is your body reacting to some of the foods you ate..Have you figured anything out?

Momto2cs: good luck on the long weekend. Good NSV not having wine with your friend. I drink lots of herbal tea when I am hungry..

PurpleSky: I definitely think our bodies react to carbs. It is interesting that you can eat the same thing and not gain from it..and then gain from it.
I also used other language when I gained weight..I also was terrified for awhile that I would gain it back. I remember buying some small jeans and worrying the whole time driving home, that I would not be able to fit them in a few months.


KC: I eat a Phase 3 breakfast and add a small carb at dinner.I still use fats at dinner to stir fry or roast vegetables. I also use olive oil dressing for lunch.

Lori" Good luck on beginning maintenance!

Patns: Hope you are having a good day and get those pounds off before your trip. I shop in Oregon where there are no taxes..but live in Washington where there are taxes. It makes a difference.

Ishbel: I am sorry about your accident. I backed into car once also. Hope you are Ok. Did you find some good running shoes?

Glad you guys liked the blog. There is humor in this maintenance!

Busymomx4
08-03-2012, 10:27 AM
Busymomx4: I think it could also be water retention. You might try drinking lemon water or adding vinegar to your dressing. I would stick with Phase 1 until it comes down. Try not to panic..although I did the same thing when my weight went up..LOL. Phase 1 does work..and it will work for you.
I have had days when I lost 4 pounds then regained them the next day. The only thing I can figure out is water retention. Your stomach problem is interesting..could it be stress or maybe it is your body reacting to some of the foods you ate..Have you figured anything out?

I also used other language when I gained weight..I also was terrified for awhile that I would gain it back. I remember buying some small jeans and worrying the whole time driving home, that I would not be able to fit them in a few months.

Glad you guys liked the blog. There is humor in this maintenance!

I think for sure i'm retaining water today as i usually can take my ring off super easily and this morning not only i couldn't take it off, i couldn't even move it. So doing strict phase 1 (no restricted) for a week. Can't do it longer than a week as i need a week to do some phase 2/3 than leaving for vacations. Don't think water retention could cause that much gain but i would be happy to lose 3lbs to be within my normal range and hopefully i can do that in a week.

I worry too when getting new clothes. Funny cause today i keep thinking that i won't stop putting weight on and my pants feel tight than i remember that its a new pair of pants in size 4 and fitting me nicely vs all my other ones that are too big.

Loved the blog and oh so true!

purple sky
08-03-2012, 02:23 PM
The bloating can feel very, very uncomfortable, especially if you bloat everywhere. I remember feeling my upper back yesterday (shoulder) and it was spongey. That's water. It's not spongey this morning. But, for a while it felt like I was wearing a spongey snowsuit. Very uncomfortable and even more jarring because it happens so quickly. This is not the kind of normal weight gain that happens over time. I remember noticing fat in my face, which I kinda of liked but it was everywhere.

Hang in there, hopefully it will start to come down soon or just disappear overnight. I am beginning to wonder if super sensitivities to certain foods or just overload results in being extra puffy for longer. Today I am eliminating. I had not been for days. Well, hardly.

I stuck ice cream in this week. I suspect that was the culprit. It's like half sugar, isn't it?

I think sometimes because in my mind I can only have something once, I cram it in and overdo it instead of eating something in small amts. here and there over a period of a week. I need to work on that as it lead to some kind of binging type tying. Not fun and really weird to me.

Also, I am learning that balance is really important. I think I remember reading a while back in these maintenance threads that a splurge meal worked better than a splurge day. I find that if I eat my normal and just indulge a bit I get the taste satisfaction and less problems in the days that follow.

So, I'll keep trying. I am convinced that carbs numb and make you feel better. At least for a while.

Busymomx4
08-03-2012, 02:45 PM
The bloating can feel very, very uncomfortable, especially if you bloat everywhere. I remember feeling my upper back yesterday (shoulder) and it was spongey. That's water. It's not spongey this morning. But, for a while it felt like I was wearing a spongey snowsuit. Very uncomfortable and even more jarring because it happens so quickly. This is not the kind of normal weight gain that happens over time. I remember noticing fat in my face, which I kinda of liked but it was everywhere.

Hang in there, hopefully it will start to come down soon or just disappear overnight. I am beginning to wonder if super sensitivities to certain foods or just overload results in being extra puffy for longer. Today I am eliminating. I had not been for days. Well, hardly.

I stuck ice cream in this week. I suspect that was the culprit. It's like half sugar, isn't it?

I think sometimes because in my mind I can only have something once, I cram it in and overdo it instead of eating something in small amts. here and there over a period of a week. I need to work on that as it lead to some kind of binging type tying. Not fun and really weird to me.

Also, I am learning that balance is really important. I think I remember reading a while back in these maintenance threads that a splurge meal worked better than a splurge day. I find that if I eat my normal and just indulge a bit I get the taste satisfaction and less problems in the days that follow.

So, I'll keep trying. I am convinced that carbs numb and make you feel better. At least for a while.

Hopefully it will disappear overnight! I have that cramming problem too. Have no control whatsoever and have this feeling of "its only today so gotta have it all" not thinking that every week cheat day comes around and food will still be available. I guess i'll always be a food addict and have to work hard on staying in control.

The only thing i had this past week-end that i hadn't had before was pasta..not just any ole pasta, cheese tortilini. Don't see how that could've done it but who knows...

Glad i'm not alone

Goldenrod
08-03-2012, 04:14 PM
Hopefully it will disappear overnight! I have that cramming problem too. Have no control whatsoever and have this feeling of "its only today so gotta have it all" not thinking that every week cheat day comes around and food will still be available. I guess i'll always be a food addict and have to work hard on staying in control.

The only thing i had this past week-end that i hadn't had before was pasta..not just any ole pasta, cheese tortilini. Don't see how that could've done it but who knows...

Glad i'm not alone

I can so identify with this. Like for your fun day you want to make yourself a treat but it's hard to scale down the recipe for one serving, so you end up with way too much and you know it's not going to be good anymore by the next week. And there's no one else in the house that can eat it, so I end up eating it :( I am having a really hard day doing more than one P1 day. I was really low on energy before phasing off and now I think it's like a mental thing and I don't want to go back to feeling like that again and when I do more than a day of P1 I start feeling low on energy. But I have gained about 11 lb since on maintenance which I do not like. But at this point I like having more energy better than weighing less so.... I guess I can't have both.

purple sky
08-03-2012, 04:18 PM
Ooooh...pasta. Back in the day that was my trouble food. That and the crusty white bread you get at the grocery store around dinner time hot from the oven. Trouble with a capital T. I ate a lot of different things but it was pasta and that bread that always resulted in the scale going up. Not cake. Not fries. Not anything else. Always pasta. I think those were the times I may have also passed 170 on the scale.

How do you do with other grains or refined flours? This might be an area where you have to experiment. That or smaller portions to satisfy your taste buds. I also wonder if alternative pastas might work. Rice? Whole wheat? Other? Also I wonder if separating the carbs from fat might help you a bit if you want to do pasta again. The pizza I had once was overloaded with cheese. It did me in. If the cheese content is lower I seem to do better.

Unfortunately I don't know of any tortellini or ravioli alternatives. They might exist. I saw someone make ravioli with wonton wrappers once.

This process is very normal. Maintainers keep on trying things till they figure out what works for them. Some can add a nice amt. of carbs back in. Some can't.

purple sky
08-03-2012, 04:43 PM
I can so identify with this. Like for your fun day you want to make yourself a treat but it's hard to scale down the recipe for one serving, so you end up with way too much and you know it's not going to be good anymore by the next week. And there's no one else in the house that can eat it, so I end up eating it :( I am having a really hard day doing more than one P1 day. I was really low on energy before phasing off and now I think it's like a mental thing and I don't want to go back to feeling like that again and when I do more than a day of P1 I start feeling low on energy. But I have gained about 11 lb since on maintenance which I do not like. But at this point I like having more energy better than weighing less so.... I guess I can't have both.

Good point. I think that is what happens. DH is still losing so if I want pizza I have to eat most of it. Same with ice cream or whatever I want. I can't just have that small bite like I used to. I also don't want it around to tempt him.

I do anything to avoid P1. I did not feel good on P1. I have been worried I might have to do it again. I started to feel better on P3, maybe P2. It's part of the reason I stayed mostly on P3 and did not do cheat days for a while. I really did not want to do P1. And without introducing higher glycemic carbs, the cravings were not as powerful. It was once I started eating the higher glycemic carbs the cravings became stronger and willpower weaker.

I think I will just babystep back towards routine. Today I am going to work on getting water in. I have a 32oz bottle of water in front of me. Yesterday I had meat and veggies twice so that was really good for me. Just babysteps because a couple days ago the idea of water and veggies was blecht to me. I think the carb hold lifted.

Momto2cs
08-03-2012, 04:48 PM
I a, hoping that I won't have to do phase 1 for more than 2 weeks...although I am already worried about tonight as we are playing golf in a Bonnie and Clyde and there is a dinner after. My fingers are crossed for steak...

Otherwise I have enough ip food for my trip to Calgary. After the first 2 day I will be with my kids at my parents house. They will be out of town and dh is flying home Sunday to work and will meet up with us the following Friday. I could easily do phase 1 those day. I expect I will need to!

School starts here on august 29. I want to be at my low weight by then.

Busymomx4
08-03-2012, 07:47 PM
Ooooh...pasta. Back in the day that was my trouble food. That and the crusty white bread you get at the grocery store around dinner time hot from the oven. Trouble with a capital T. I ate a lot of different things but it was pasta and that bread that always resulted in the scale going up. Not cake. Not fries. Not anything else. Always pasta. I think those were the times I may have also passed 170 on the scale.

How do you do with other grains or refined flours? This might be an area where you have to experiment. That or smaller portions to satisfy your taste buds. I also wonder if alternative pastas might work. Rice? Whole wheat? Other? Also I wonder if separating the carbs from fat might help you a bit if you want to do pasta again. The pizza I had once was overloaded with cheese. It did me in. If the cheese content is lower I seem to do better.

Unfortunately I don't know of any tortellini or ravioli alternatives. They might exist. I saw someone make ravioli with wonton wrappers once.

This process is very normal. Maintainers keep on trying things till they figure out what works for them. Some can add a nice amt. of carbs back in. Some can't.

I've had cake quite often cause i love cake. I've had white bread and pizza and no problem. So the white pasta might be the culprit, oh yeah, had white crusty bread with it too.
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Drinking ton of hot water and lemon trying to get rid of water rerention, we'll see what tomorrow brings.

Thanks for everyone's input :)

Maile
08-04-2012, 10:06 AM
I can identify with that feeling that if something tastes good, you then want to keep eating it..as though you will never get a chance to ever, ever eat that food again! It seems crazy..but you can feel that way..and of course it is the sugar or high glycemic foods that can set you off.

Busymom: Hope the lemon water helps. Wow: size 4 pants is great.
Momto2c: hope Phase 1 is working for you and you have steak.
Purple Sky: I am glad the carb hold has lifted! I find I have to make myself drink the water..it is easy to slack off.
Goldenrod: Good luck on figuring out your energy on maintenance. I also love pasta.

Busymomx4
08-04-2012, 10:50 AM
Well i was happily surprised to have drop 3lbs overnight, i'm thanking the hot water and lemon and will do that again every phase 1 day too. So i'm back within my range and cheat day today, reasonable one this time. I had a regular phase 3 breakfast and 2 slice french toast extra (made with sugar free bread, splenda for the eggs and WF syrup). I'm making a conscious effort not to overeat.

But my faith in the program is reinstated and i feel a lot more comfortable now, knowing that you will lose anything you gain.

Have a great week-end everyone!

swimcoachmomma
08-04-2012, 12:31 PM
Ooooh...pasta. Back in the day that was my trouble food. That and the crusty white bread you get at the grocery store around dinner time hot from the oven. Trouble with a capital T. I ate a lot of different things but it was pasta and that bread that always resulted in the scale going up. Not cake. Not fries. Not anything else. Always pasta. I think those were the times I may have also passed 170 on the scale.

How do you do with other grains or refined flours? This might be an area where you have to experiment. That or smaller portions to satisfy your taste buds. I also wonder if alternative pastas might work. Rice? Whole wheat? Other? Also I wonder if separating the carbs from fat might help you a bit if you want to do pasta again. The pizza I had once was overloaded with cheese. It did me in. If the cheese content is lower I seem to do better.

Unfortunately I don't know of any tortellini or ravioli alternatives. They might exist. I saw someone make ravioli with wonton wrappers once.

This process is very normal. Maintainers keep on trying things till they figure out what works for them. Some can add a nice amt. of carbs back in. Some can't.

DH made quinoa the other day and we ate it with tomato based meat sauce. Yummy. It filled the pasta need and was incredibly filling. Don't care for whole grain pasta or have not found one yet that I like. This quinoa thing was great. Standard meat sauce with buffalo and elk instead of cow.

purple sky
08-04-2012, 01:30 PM
Whew...that is awesome. I bet it was that pasta.

This is how I look at it sometimes. If the food has to rise or puff out, it will do the same to you. Veggies and meat shrink when cooking. Cakes and pasta rise or get wider. At least that is my logic. I don't have a theory on ice cream except that maybe sugar is sticky so it sticks around. Sorry, I know my jokes are a little lame but it sorta fits in with the you are what you eat theory.

I think I am going to try that lemon and water trick. So, you do hot water? How much? And you sip it all day.

Yes, Maile, it's those high glycemic foods. I noticed that the powerful cravings ended around the same time the puffiness decreased. But even old me used to keep a pint of ice cream in the fridge for a week.

Anyway, I am heading towards some kind of reboot. Something needs to change. I can track my downward slide It's not bad. I am still sorta within range. Well, a bit high for me but it won't go down unless I buckle down and get serious and focused again. It's little things. Like drinking less water. Blowing off veggies. Then testing the waters a little more here and there. For me, I just might do better reigning it is a little more. I was just more comfortable the first 2 months of maintenance. It's the discomfort that is challenging, moreso than a number on the scale.

Momto2cs, I hope your meal was good. We rely so heavily on good meat and veggies when eating out. Did you win?

Momto2cs
08-04-2012, 01:46 PM
Thanks!
The meal was delicious, but after walking and carrying my clubs for the 3 hours it took us to golf I was starving and ate some potatoes! Not my usual, but they were delicious!
I am still above my range. I will have to be serious this week!

We didn't win, but one of the couples in our 8 some did! The both got nice new drivers! I can't complain. The last Bonnie and Clyde I won a nice Taylor made putter as a door prize!

We are having a lazy Saturday. My dh is golfing 2 rounds today-he is a die hard, and the kids have declared a pj day. I am rewatching the vampire diaries. I could watch Damon all day long....sigh ;)

swerdna59
08-05-2012, 09:28 AM
Momto2cs...I have read your posts a lot and it seems as if your method of maintaining is to stick to Phase 1 or 2 for the most part and then allow yourself to have a "free" day when the occasion calls for it...then get back on the Phase 1 or 2 plan. Is that right? I am trying to figure out how to maintain my loss and that seems to be working for me--the 2nd half of summer has been pretty busy with a lot of social things for me and my family and I have been allowing myself to have a "free" day when those times come up but then getting back to more Phase 1 or 2...I do alternatives for my own reasons. Once summer settles down I plan to experiment with what will work for my work week...probably stick with my spinach smoothie/protein shake for breakfast as I really like this, do Greek yogurt and almonds for lunch, maybe some protein, and then a regular dinner with protein and veggies...throw in some rice or pasta once in awhile if I feel like it...figure I will just have to experiment with what does or doesn't work. I will continue with my 2 miles of walking/running a day as well.

Maile
08-05-2012, 09:43 AM
Busymom: That was good news about the 3lbs coming off!!!!

Swimcoachmomma: I like the falvor of quinoa also..using it with pasta sauce sounds good.

PurpleSky: You are right. It is the little things that matter..water, veges, exercise..Last night we started experimenting with fruit margaritas..after dinner..Not a good idea. Way too late to adding sugar and carbs.The result is a 2 lb up today. I am still in my range. I am going zero carb and exercising to work it off.
It is the discomfort of not being where you want to be that is unsettling!

Momto2cs: Enjoy your day watching movies..It sounds relaxing..Damon is fun to watch.

Off to walk off those pounds.

Momto2cs
08-05-2012, 10:16 AM
Yes. I am strict during the week and more relaxed on weekends. I always try to eat as low carb as possible, but I definitely eat enough carbs to get out of ketosis on the weekend.
This works great for me, as long as I buckle down on Monday.

Vacations take more time to get back. I should be doing phase 1 this weekend still, but a friend came by with Filipino food last night and I couldn't say no to her noodles! Ahhhh

I guess I admit defeat and accept Tuesday will be back on track (Monday is a holiday in Alberta).

swerdna59
08-05-2012, 12:34 PM
Thanks for the reply or clarification.

During the work week I can be pretty faithful and strict--I am a routine type of person so I just need to figure out what to do for lunch once school starts and I'll be fine. I do not want to give up having foods I like when the opportunity or occasion presents itself either. I also don't like to use the word "cheat" that is tossed around on here a lot. I would rather think about choosing what I will eat and when I will eat it and making the best choice for a particular day and time.

This is the first time I have ever been as aware of what I am eating and how it impacts how my body makes use of it. I love how a few very strict days can get one back on track almost immediately.

I started eating this way to take off about 8-10 pounds I seemed to be bouncing around in for the past couple of years and found that I was able to take off a total of almost 25 pounds and dropped down to a size 10 and even some 8's depending upon the style and cut. I typically could wear most 12's but found the past year that I was moving towards having to either buy all new slacks in size 14 or do something so my 12's would fit...now all of those slacks and skirts have been taken to the consignment shop and I am slowly replacing them with mostly 10's and some 8's.

I think I will always have to watch what I eat but this lo-carb plan seems to be very easy to follow and works, I'm sold.

Momto2cs
08-05-2012, 01:00 PM
Yes, once you figure out new ways to eat (like lettuce wraps instead of bread etc) it is pretty easy. And most of the time I feel way better than I used to. No bloating or heartburn!

I am generally a size 6. I can pretty much buy without trying on, as I can generally tell looking at clothes if they will fit. My legs are quite muscular, so I look for wider cut pants. I am definitely a small top. Any cleavage I used to have pretty much disappeared with the weight!

At my low I can wear some size 4s. Maintaining that weight is definitely harder. I have 1 pair of size 8 pants that warn me I am in the danger zone and need to get serious!

The holiday weekend has prompted me to have an impromptu BBQ this afternoon. Burgers and salad and whatever else people bring! The wine is already chilling. I guess sometimes life takes over! I will forgo the buns today, but it will definitely not be phase 1! There always tomorrow!

swerdna59
08-05-2012, 06:25 PM
Enjoy the BBQ, sounds like fun. Today I went shopping and it was size 8's instead of 10's...I'll take it. Have a great night!!

Maile
08-06-2012, 10:09 AM
Swerdna: Isn't it fun to be buying size 8 clothes instead of 10s? I find the low carb eating is an enjoyable lifestyle. I am happy using lettuce leaves as tortillas like Momto2cs said. Some people call it a fun day..not a cheat day.
I tend to stick to low carb all the days..and once in awhile have something higher carb for a meal.
As for school lunches: I make the lunch the night before..or even a couple of days before. I make salads ahead and dump in leftover veges or fresh ones.

Momto2cs: Have fun at that barbecue! We have been grilling vegetables like crazy..but the 100 degree heatwave has stopped us.

I am back down the 2 pounds and happy today.

patns
08-06-2012, 11:31 AM
Thanks!
The meal was delicious, but after walking and carrying my clubs for the 3 hours it took us to golf I was starving and ate some potatoes! Not my usual, but they were delicious!
I am still above my range. I will have to be serious this week!

We didn't win, but one of the couples in our 8 some did! The both got nice new drivers! I can't complain. The last Bonnie and Clyde I won a nice Taylor made putter as a door prize!

We are having a lazy Saturday. My dh is golfing 2 rounds today-he is a die hard, and the kids have declared a pj day. I am rewatching the vampire diaries. I could watch Damon all day long....sigh ;)

Our house backs onto a golf course and I am always amazed how few people walk when playing golf. seems like an excellent opportunity for enjoyable exercise and more than 95% of people use carts.

Momto2cs
08-06-2012, 06:07 PM
I agree. They offered us a free power Carr on friday and I declined. Might as well get the walk in!

swerdna59
08-06-2012, 06:12 PM
It has been great shopping for new clothes and still find myself staring at the size tags...I am tall, 5'10" and never thought I'd be able to get down to where I could wear certain styles of khakis and so on. Plus, there are a lot more things on sale in the smaller sizes or so it seems! Today I tried some lo-carb tortilla wraps, only 3 net carbs each...they actually were very good but to tell you the truth, I am happy without them too. I made my eggs & veggie scramble and had a wrap but frankly, it was fine without the wrap too...nice to know there are decent things out there though.

Maile
08-07-2012, 10:08 AM
My husband is a golfer and always walks..However, there are many cart riders.

It is nice that more food is being offered low carb.

Last night I took a bite of my eggplant parmigiana..cheese at night. Fortunately it did no damage!

patns
08-07-2012, 11:04 AM
Vacations take more time to get back. I should be doing phase 1 this weekend still, but a friend came by with Filipino food last night and I couldn't say no to her noodles! Ahhhh



This is how things are different in maintenance. It is harder to say no to people, especially those who have been supportive all along. But now that we look "normal" people think we can eat like a normal person does.

I'd be OK with the meal like this, it would be that amount and then it's finished.
But what I have a tough time with is alcohol. Not the drinking as much as a glass aof wine turns on a switch in my head and then it's all about relaxing and socializing and nibbling on whatever I am used to with having a relaxing evening.

Hubby has been very supportive while I was losing weight but really likes being back to "normal" and having a glass of wine with dinner on the weekends, and I can't resist. Then it's back to being really strict for the rest of the week to stay a goal level.

Re your Fillipino noodles, that is what I just love about this area. With the job boom so many different cultures are here and everyone loves to share what is special to them. This results in some wonderful meals and socializing.

Ishbel
08-07-2012, 11:26 AM
busymom glad everything's working out for you and you're finding your 'groove'

purple pasta is bad for me, I've actually only had it once since I've been in maintenance...I blew up like a balloon...and with how I felt that one weekend (pain) from eating too much flour I'm just naturally staying away. I don't miss it, rather have something else anyway. When I get the urge I'll have lasagna on my fun day :)

momto2c Welcome back from vacation...I'm not much of a golfer but I have to admit using the golf cart is the most of fun I have golfing :D Course, that's also after having a few too...tee hee

SO, I had a family/friend weekend in Calgary. I had two nights of boose, didn't do too bad on the first night, just chowed down on veggies. Then the next day was my fun day and I indulged in a glass of rum...MMMM (ok it was two!). I did however find a really good vodka, grey goose pear...YUMMO! That with some diet gingerale or sprite...pretty nice.

I also had an interesting table conversation with my uncle and family (day after fun day). He had made a fruit salad for dessert. Technically "healthy" and actually said THREE times...THREE..."I'll be offended if you don't eat any" it was 'strange' so I just said "I'm sitting at the table enjoying your company and having some tea I don't need to eat to do that, it will be ok I promise". He said "well, I guess you'll live longer" and I said "not necessarily, I just won't be on any meds"

It was interesting to feel that pressure and to say "nope, that's your issue not mine"...also interesting that a few years ago my sister/auntie/mom and I walked a half marathon and he said "what's your team name, tonne of fun?" (which was shocking and he got crap for it)

Family dynamics hey??

MaMaZu
08-07-2012, 12:19 PM
I also had an interesting table conversation with my uncle and family (day after fun day). He had made a fruit salad for dessert. Technically "healthy" and actually said THREE times...THREE..."I'll be offended if you don't eat any" it was 'strange' so I just said "I'm sitting at the table enjoying your company and having some tea I don't need to eat to do that, it will be ok I promise". He said "well, I guess you'll live longer" and I said "not necessarily, I just won't be on any meds"

It was interesting to feel that pressure and to say "nope, that's your issue not mine"...also interesting that a few years ago my sister/auntie/mom and I walked a half marathon and he said "what's your team name, tonne of fun?" (which was shocking and he got crap for it)

Family dynamics hey??

My first post on the Maintainers thread (today is day 3 of Phase 4), although I have been lurking for weeks in preparation.
Ishbel, I love how you stuck to your guns and didn't eat something to please someone else! I am so going to remember your response as I know this is something I will come up against.

purple sky
08-07-2012, 01:52 PM
This is how things are different in maintenance. It is harder to say no to people, especially those who have been supportive all along. But now that we look "normal" people think we can eat like a normal person does.


LOL! Worded so well. Worded so well.

Kikie
08-07-2012, 06:07 PM
Hi all :)

Wow, I just had my first phase 4 dinner and it made me realize so many things. The most important is that 1.5 oz of rice is only 1/4 cup raw. Before IP, I could cook 1 cup of rice and eat the whole thing by itself. I loved it way too much, and didn't know it was 4 servings!! Even worse, that would be my snack once in a while.... I was a true carb addict.

I made 1/2 cup of rice with a bunch of carrots, celery, green pepper and green onions, sauteed tofu and soy sauce. The rice only represented half of the mixture. Needless to say, it was insanely delicious and filling and made me learn what proper amounts of food are. As a bonus, I have a second serving for work tomorrow. I love phase 4 :)

Ishbel
08-07-2012, 06:53 PM
My first post on the Maintainers thread (today is day 3 of Phase 4), although I have been lurking for weeks in preparation.
Ishbel, I love how you stuck to your guns and didn't eat something to please someone else! I am so going to remember your response as I know this is something I will come up against.

Hi all :)

Wow, I just had my first phase 4 dinner and it made me realize so many things. The most important is that 1.5 oz of rice is only 1/4 cup raw. Before IP, I could cook 1 cup of rice and eat the whole thing by itself. I loved it way too much, and didn't know it was 4 servings!! Even worse, that would be my snack once in a while.... I was a true carb addict.

I made 1/2 cup of rice with a bunch of carrots, celery, green pepper and green onions, sauteed tofu and soy sauce. The rice only represented half of the mixture. Needless to say, it was insanely delicious and filling and made me learn what proper amounts of food are. As a bonus, I have a second serving for work tomorrow. I love phase 4 :)

Welcome to maintenance! Try to take it slow so you know what your body is complaining about (if you gain or feel like crap at least you know from what)

:welcome3: :)

MaMaZu
08-07-2012, 09:09 PM
Welcome to maintenance! Try to take it slow so you know what your body is complaining about (if you gain or feel like crap at least you know from what)

:welcome3: :)

Oh yeah, my body immediately began complaining in Phase 3 with the addition of grains. I am upping my carb intake mainly through fruit and legumes at this point. When the inflammation settles down, I'll give some brown rice a try; will keep you posted.

NOVAScents
08-08-2012, 09:21 AM
Ladies, I need your input. I'm technically on Phase 3, but I've had two cheat days which were disastrous... Not because I gained (I didn't), but because I got SO sick. My cheat day last night I over did it so bad I was vomiting and having diarrhea at the same time- it was HORRIBLE!

So, my question is this... I don't think I can have a cheat/fun day. I cannot overcome this "Fatten up for the famine" mindset. I KNOW I don't need to eat 3 blueberry muffins, but I do because I know I have a week before I can have another. So, I'm thinking I need to just push myself into this maintenance healthy eating for life, where if I have a muffin FINE and if I want one tomorrow, FINE, I just don't need to eat all six today.

I'm that kid who when you tell them not to try something because X, Y, and Z will happen I HAVE to try them out to prove you right... its so insane, but I'm finding the more I tell myself to wait the MORE I eat.

Am I crazy??? Is this something everyone goes through at some point?

I've always had a pretty healthy eating style. I gained my weight with a pregnancy, so I know that my cooking and habits are good (and have improved with IP!), I just need to get my "rituals" down.

Momto2cs
08-08-2012, 10:28 AM
Novascents
Maintaining is different for everyone. Try it your way and see how it goes. There is no secret to the cheat meal or day. Some people can just save up all week for the splurge. I know I have no problem eating phase 1 or 2 on weekdays, knowing on the weekend I can relax. That said, if there was a sudden event mid week I might indulge. I weigh daily, so I can tell pretty quick if I am off track.

I find phase 1 easy at work, and it fits my gym schedule very nicely. I often question how other people can eat so much more than me, and exercise so much less and not be huge. I guess it's age ;)

Busymomx4
08-08-2012, 10:48 AM
Ladies, I need your input. I'm technically on Phase 3, but I've had two cheat days which were disastrous... Not because I gained (I didn't), but because I got SO sick. My cheat day last night I over did it so bad I was vomiting and having diarrhea at the same time- it was HORRIBLE!

So, my question is this... I don't think I can have a cheat/fun day. I cannot overcome this "Fatten up for the famine" mindset. I KNOW I don't need to eat 3 blueberry muffins, but I do because I know I have a week before I can have another. So, I'm thinking I need to just push myself into this maintenance healthy eating for life, where if I have a muffin FINE and if I want one tomorrow, FINE, I just don't need to eat all six today.

I'm that kid who when you tell them not to try something because X, Y, and Z will happen I HAVE to try them out to prove you right... its so insane, but I'm finding the more I tell myself to wait the MORE I eat.

Am I crazy??? Is this something everyone goes through at some point?

I've always had a pretty healthy eating style. I gained my weight with a pregnancy, so I know that my cooking and habits are good (and have improved with IP!), I just need to get my "rituals" down.

I have that same mindset and i'm working really hard at trying to change it. We're all food addict and its really hard to think that the food will still be there next week and we don't need to cram as much as we can while we can. Every cheat day, i try to control myself more, its a learning process.

Goldenrod
08-08-2012, 12:33 PM
Novascents,
Oh I totally have that issue too. Its like tell me I can't have something and I go overboard. But tell me I can have it whenever I want and then I don't have an issue and end up not even eating it. So I don't think the once a week fun day is going to work well for me in the long run. I think I will just stick to a healthy diet with allowance for treats now and then and not set aside a whole day for treating myself because I tend to overdo it. It also helps me to take regular walks. Good luck figuring out what works for you.

NOVAScents
08-08-2012, 04:00 PM
I'm glad I haven't just lost my mind. Today has been more of a maintenance day. I had a phase 3 breakfast (which I plan on keeping up, so YUM!). Worked out and then had 1/2 banana with 1 T Sunflower Butter (9am). Then around 12:30/1 I had some cheese and had planned to eat my salad, but where was a crisis so I just now ate it. Having a normal meat and veggies dinner (Salmon and Cauliflower stuffed bell peppers) and then plan on having my normal protein smoothie. I just feel like when I don't restrict myself I do SO much better. Now if I could get my water intake up we'd be good (I had 4 glass pie dishes break in the kitchen and it went EVERYWHERE- spent two hours vacuuming!)

I'll defiantly watch my scale- I'm doing to put a little notepad in the bathroom to write it down in the AM.

Now to turn the oven and begin cleaning up the mess of dishes that I still haven't gotten to! What a day!

Momto2cs
08-08-2012, 06:47 PM
Wow. I made cauliflower fried rice today for the first time. We eat cauliflower at lunch usually...but yum!! Just like real fried rice!

I need to branch out in the cooking department. We eat grilled meat and green veggies almost every night.

purple sky
08-08-2012, 07:48 PM
Don't know if this interests you but I have been looking at this. I have not tried it yet so I cannot vouch for it

http://paleomg.com/buffalo-chicken-mini-meatloaf/

As well, I don't know if it is better to put the meatloaf in a pan or on top something (grill like) to catch the drippings and make the bottom less moist/mushy

http://paleomg.com/chicken-basil-meatloaf/
I was first looking at this one which is the chicken basil meatloaf but it does use quite a bit of almond flour/meal. But it's not grilled meat.

I found some like hotdog/sausage meatball at Costo. They are made with thigh meat so it gives them a nice texture. There are things they add to them though which make them more of a treat for me. The meatball had sweetener in them (I think they were Teriyaki flavored) and so I had like half a bag at a time. But, I really liked the idea of them. Using thigh meat was a really good idea in terms of flavor and texture.

http://paleomg.com/creamy-avocado-spinach-chicken-pasta/
This one also looks really good and you are using a yellow veggie (spaghetti squash) but the avocado makes it green. Good activity for kids or hubby to scrape out the inside of spaghetti squash with a fork to get something spaghetti like.

I am a big fan of bell peppers. Have been eating them all year. I like the sweetness of the yellow and red ones.

Maile
08-09-2012, 12:39 PM
Purple Sky: Thanks for those recipes. I love avocado.

You guys might check out the posting on vege puree here. She has some really good looking puree recipes. You can use them as gravy or soup. I am a gravy fan so this could be exciting.

darbs7
08-09-2012, 12:50 PM
Wow. I made cauliflower fried rice today for the first time. We eat cauliflower at lunch usually...but yum!! Just like real fried rice!

I need to branch out in the cooking department. We eat grilled meat and green veggies almost every night.

I keep meaning to try that...was it hard to make? Glad to be back

mooselover
08-09-2012, 10:46 PM
I am on phase 3 for another week, but I am going to lurk here to prepare for maintenance. I look forward to all of your advise!!!

Maile
08-10-2012, 09:55 AM
Ladies, I need your input. I'm technically on Phase 3, but I've had two cheat days which were disastrous... Not because I gained (I didn't), but because I got SO sick. My cheat day last night I over did it so bad I was vomiting and having diarrhea at the same time- it was HORRIBLE!

So, my question is this... I don't think I can have a cheat/fun day. I cannot overcome this "Fatten up for the famine" mindset. I KNOW I don't need to eat 3 blueberry muffins, but I do because I know I have a week before I can have another. So, I'm thinking I need to just push myself into this maintenance healthy eating for life, where if I have a muffin FINE and if I want one tomorrow, FINE, I just don't need to eat all six today.

I'm that kid who when you tell them not to try something because X, Y, and Z will happen I HAVE to try them out to prove you right... its so insane, but I'm finding the more I tell myself to wait the MORE I eat.

Am I crazy??? Is this something everyone goes through at some point?

I've always had a pretty healthy eating style. I gained my weight with a pregnancy, so I know that my cooking and habits are good (and have improved with IP!), I just need to get my "rituals" down.
Everyone has their own way of maintaining. For me, I need to stay away from sugar and eat low carb. This keeps me stable. I do not have fun days. I might indulge in a treat once in awhile...I have binged my entire life and cannot return to uncontrolled eating..which for me could easily happen on a cheat day..

Others here can handle the free day and enjoy it! I would keep experimenting on what works best with you.

Maile
08-10-2012, 09:59 AM
Mooselover: welcome to maintenance! i hope you are enjoying Phase 3.

The cauliflower rice is easy and good. I like the idea of putting it in a bell pepper.

I ordered the packet from the National Weight Registry. I am excited about being in the maintainer data!

Ishbel
08-10-2012, 11:42 AM
I seem to be doing ok (so far) with a fun day. I do notice that within the last month I'm not constantly planning on it and most of the time I really enjoy just relaxing on the rules, ie having a chunk of cheese with a bowl of fruit. In fact, I usually go shopping on Friday to stock up on fruit so I can have some of the items I don't have during the week as I usually stick to berries during the week. Then I usually just have a meal that doesn't follow the rules, that might have a bit of carbs and had some fat in it.

I also find that my excersise is a useful tool to keeping my weight in check. I am aware that I am using it for stress relief and fitness but if I really buckle in and up the distance it will show when I want it to show. This past weekend I had two nights of drinking, first night I stuck to my guns with the food, next night was fun night so indulged in rum. The scale was up, I did a few extra runs this week and it's back down....and now I know how much work two nights of drinking will be. Probably won't do it for a while lol.

In general I stay away from sugar, the rum was the first rum for over a year (all sugar for those that don't know)....anything I choose is low sugar or no sugar and most of my snacks are laced with protein in some way.

I am nervous about my trip to Europe and have actually thought about taking my scale with me hahaha, it was a fleeting thought as I know I have to divorce it while I'm across the pond and trust the program. Also there are enough people (myself included) that have gone on vacation and nipped it in the bud as soon as they are back.

desperatetolosegirl
08-10-2012, 11:48 AM
Maile, you are an inspiration, I have been following you and it's amazing how you are maintaining in the 120's. I started IP in Jan this year and lost 30 lbs by April. Phased off in June. Maintainance in July. Restarted Phase 1 in August to lose 10 more pounds. This time it's been difficult and have not been 100% OP. Plan is to give myself 2 months to lose those last 10 lbs. Hope I can do it.

purple sky
08-10-2012, 03:02 PM
I ordered the packet from the National Weight Registry. I am excited about being in the maintainer data!

What is the National Weight Registry?

Summer is a tough time to lose weight. I just think there are so many temptations around. In the winter it is easier to focus and buckle down. My weight used to always go up in the summer. Then I would bring it down a bit in the fall and then back up again over the holidays. Rebooting is hard.

Maile
08-11-2012, 08:54 AM
Ishbel: I think exercise is the key for me to keep my weight off. I do it almost daily. Europe sounds wonderful..even if you have to leave your scale behind. I am sure you will just keep making the healthiest choices you can.

Desperatetolose: Thanks for the support. I actually have never stayed this long in the 120s in my life. I have been surprised that I seem to have stabilized. I keep to a 3 pound range under 128 my goal. I do eat very low carb and exercise everyday. I hope you reach your goal of losing that last 10 pounds.

Purple Sky: The registry is for people who have maintained weight loss for a year or more. I will post the link. It studies maintainer's habits and produces studies on successful maintenance. Periodically you fill out questionaires on your lifestyle.

Off to move my son. It will be a long day of packing and unloading.

Lian
08-11-2012, 09:53 AM
Good morning,
I was wondering if you give me some advice, I was away on vacation and I started maintenance the day I left but did slip when away and are now up 7 pounds, what would you sujjest I do to get the extra weight off?
Do I have to do phrase 1 again, or would it work if I followed the phrase 3?
No matter what though I will use alternative products again....

Ishbel
08-11-2012, 10:26 AM
I would phase 1 until it was down again.

Lian
08-11-2012, 10:40 AM
Ok thank you, would you phrase out all over again or just go straight back to maintenance once the 7 pounds is off....

Ishbel
08-11-2012, 10:50 AM
Your choice, I think people here to both. Personally my plan is if I go over 7 days I will do a mini phase off of 2 days each of phase 2 and 3 and I might include those days as part of a plan to get it off...mit be part of a total 10 day reboot....make sense?

I'm sure others will chime in on the phasing off, but I wouldn't wait and jump onto Phase 1 immediately to lessen the overall damage.

Momto2cs
08-11-2012, 11:57 AM
Definitely get back on phase 1 or 2. A short vacation gain should come off easily. If it was longer (like a month) it can take quite a few weeks to get back.

KChapman
08-11-2012, 01:14 PM
Hi everyone, my boyfriend has just started Phase 2 and will continue to lose weight during this phase. He actually would like to slow down his weight loss during this phase but wants to still stay 100% on program. Is there something he can do to slow it down but stay in ketosis?

Any insight / ideas would be appreciated.

Kelly

purple sky
08-11-2012, 04:50 PM
Is he already at his goal weight? Some gain on P3. He could also put it back on once he gets into maintenance. The weight loss in P2 and P3 does not happen for everyone. Some gain.

But, I don't think you can slow down weight loss once it starts. Some start P2 a few pounds shy of their goal. Some don't lose anymore during P2 or P3. Some gain in P3.

Maile
08-12-2012, 08:23 AM
KChapman: Maybe eat more of the restricteds or eat higher fat protein.

Here is the info:

The National Weight Control Registry

How to Join

Are you eligible?

The National Weight Control Registry is a research study that seeks to gather information from people who have successfully lost weight and kept it off. The registry would like to hear from anyone 18 years of age or older who has:

Lost at least 30 pounds, and
Maintained a weight loss of at least 30 pounds for one year or more
How it works

Individuals enrolling in the registry will be periodically asked to complete questionnaires online about their success at losing weight, current weight maintenance strategies and other health-related behaviors. There is no cost to join the registry and compensation is not provided. All names are kept confidential.

It is open to people outside of the US. You can learn more about it at their web site.It is a research organization with doctors and scientists.

Well.my last day of freedom..back to cooking ahead and making lunches for work! I seriously am hoping that people at work are used to seeing me thin and will not feel the need to give me advice!

Dakin
08-12-2012, 08:55 AM
Maile - good luck with your school year! For unsolicited advice I just smile and say "I'm healthier than I've been in years. Thank you."
Your post inspired me to make cauliflower rice today.... haven't had it in a few weeks. Yum. I don't miss most carbs daily, so my maintenance diet is similar to yours. Thanks for info on the Weight Registry. I'm wondering if it would work as incentive for me to stay true long term. I'll have to check it out.

Mooselover - Woo Hoo! Congrats! You are really rockin' IP! Your photo is amazing!

Ishbel - What are you doing for exercise? I'm trying to find a Zumba or Jazzercise class in my area. The problem is that they are all run in gyms that require full membership. I don't want to pay $400 annual fee just to take a dance class twice a week. I know I could buy DVD's and do it at home, but I have trouble pushing myself to be consistent and high intensity when I'm exercising alone. Any words of advice?

Desperatetolosegirl - Our stories are similar. I joined on St. Patty's day and phased off mid June with a little over 30 lbs lost. I'm thinking about restarting to go for another 10 lbs, as I've never really been sure about my 'goal' weight - just not sure when to begin the reboot. I know I'll wait until school starts again, but don't know if I want to do the month of Sept or Oct... just sharing my mind ramblings. Good luck on your reboot!

Lian - I don't go through all phases after a P1 day or two, but for the most part I eat P2 or P3 anyway except for 'splurge' day. Good luck on your reboot!

New Englander
08-12-2012, 07:26 PM
Hi everyone... Jennydoodle I purchased the book, "The Carb Sensitivity Program: Discover Which Carbs Will Curb Your Cravings, Control Your Appetite, and Banish Belly Fat"...I hope this is the one you referred to in the "Reboot" thread...It sounds quite interesting.

I posted this is the reboot thread but I don't think it will be seen for a while and wanted to repost here...NEED ADVICE!!! Thanks!!! :)

]Great thread. I want to do a mini-reboot. My clinic says I need to wait a full year until I put myself back in ketosis. So, since I began November 2011 I have to wait until November. Has anyone else received this as "advice". I'm doing p1 today, 'cause yesterday (well the past two days) have been my fun days. I'm clearly 5 - 7 lbs over.

I was thinking of doing p1 for two days than skipping a fun day this week and repeating two days of p1 next week... Does that sound like a good plan or just something I need to do and see if it works?

Thanks ladies!!! (And any men out there... )[/COLOR]

Ishbel
08-12-2012, 07:31 PM
mooselover Welcome to maintenance! :) Or at least a few days and you'll be there! :) Don't lurk, please join in on the conversation?? :)

maile Good luck on a new school year! :) That national weight registry sounds interesting...how cool to sign up for it! You ARE a maintainer and someone I look up too, please stick around cause your calmness tends to come through the computer and helps keep me calm :)

kchapman I didn't lose in Ph2 but lost in Ph3...not sure if you can techically 'stop' it...but you can do Ph 2 for only a week and do your Ph 3 for two?? Then he is getting himself out of ketosis almost daily. Most people go into ketosis at night for a limited time, which is why you are breaking your fast (breakfast) and all food groups can be consumed (note: I received this info from IP)

lian let us know how your post vaca minireboot works out

dakin I've recently discovered running...I wasn't a runner before. But I WAS a massive cross country skiier when I was younger...so I started with a plan to be able to ski more then 200 meters without a 'break' :) Just this past week I've logged 34 km including a 31 minute 5 km. I started consistently running on the 5 July (more then once or twice a week)...so I'm pretty happy with my progress. Not everyone can or even WANTS to run.

I think if you find some video's that up your heart rate you'll be great. My problem is getting my heart rate higher now that I've lost 140 lbs. Lots of people here do videos, in the winter I really like "yoga booty ballet" but that's the only one I really 'like' and it's only when it's -35 and I don't want to roll out of bed to go to the gym. Maybe others can chime in with their video recommendations?

Ishbel
08-12-2012, 10:25 PM
Hi everyone... Jennydoodle I purchased the book, "The Carb Sensitivity Program: Discover Which Carbs Will Curb Your Cravings, Control Your Appetite, and Banish Belly Fat"...I hope this is the one you referred to in the "Reboot" thread...It sounds quite interesting.

I posted this is the reboot thread but I don't think it will be seen for a while and wanted to repost here...NEED ADVICE!!! Thanks!!! :)

]Great thread. I want to do a mini-reboot. My clinic says I need to wait a full year until I put myself back in ketosis. So, since I began November 2011 I have to wait until November. Has anyone else received this as "advice". I'm doing p1 today, 'cause yesterday (well the past two days) have been my fun days. I'm clearly 5 - 7 lbs over.

I was thinking of doing p1 for two days than skipping a fun day this week and repeating two days of p1 next week... Does that sound like a good plan or just something I need to do and see if it works?

Thanks ladies!!! (And any men out there... )[/COLOR]


Odd rule, if I was up 5-7 and couldn't shake it I would reboot. Why wait, nip it in the bud now you may not need more then a week right now where if you waited a year you may need more.

patns
08-12-2012, 11:32 PM
Odd rule, if I was up 5-7 and couldn't shake it I would reboot. Why wait, nip it in the bud now you may not need more then a week right now where if you waited a year you may need more.

That's what I was thinking too. The quicker you get it off the less chance it has to settle in for the long term.

Maile
08-13-2012, 08:13 AM
Dakin: That is a very good response and I will use it. Thank you. I just read about cauliflower breadsticks. I am going to search for a recipe. I plan on joining the registry for the same reason..to keep me focused on maintenance.
They are the ones who come out with the successful maintainers statistics:
like exercising an hour a day!

New Englander: My clinic would let you restart anytime. I would stick with P1 until you are satisfied.

Ishbel: Thanks for your support! I am getting used to being thin. I love seeing muscles which were hidden before. I walk instead of running..but actually like the exercise.

Patns: I agree..the quicker the better!

I just ordered a julienne peeler. It looks like it makes excellent zucchini noodles
and carrot strips.

Off to walk before school!


What do you think of this quote?

"Weight is managed not cured." Can we be cured? I really know that we have to manage..that is not going away!

New Englander
08-13-2012, 09:10 AM
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I will reboot now!!! Phew..I feel so much better... Well, not too happy with "giving" up my yum food, BUT happy I'll be fitting into my jeans better.

I learned my lesson...no more two or 2.5 days of freedom...I followed P1 perfectly and need to carry that same discipline into P4!!! :)

Again, thanks ladies!!!

Ishbel
08-13-2012, 10:09 AM
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I will reboot now!!! Phew..I feel so much better... Well, not too happy with "giving" up my yum food, BUT happy I'll be fitting into my jeans better.

I learned my lesson...no more two or 2.5 days of freedom...I followed P1 perfectly and need to carry that same discipline into P4!!! :)

Again, thanks ladies!!!

Let us know how you do, I'll be rebooting after my trip to Scotland! :) I always liked the beck diet solution, you can 'like' her on facebook...she always has daily motivational quotes that show up in my news feed. She helped me keep focused in my year of Phase 1 and keeps me focused in my life of Phase 4.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/BeckDietSolution

Highly recommend the book, it's about changing your behaviour patterns when it comes to food.

Lian
08-13-2012, 12:39 PM
I am doing well with my re-boot thank you all for your advice, I did have a phrase 3 breakfast today as I have already lost 4 pounds following phrase 1-2 for the last 2 days......dont plan on having carbs with dinner, and hopefully I could get another few pounds of following phrase 3..............:)

New Englander
08-13-2012, 02:08 PM
Let us know how you do, I'll be rebooting after my trip to Scotland! :) I always liked the beck diet solution, you can 'like' her on facebook...she always has daily motivational quotes that show up in my news feed. She helped me keep focused in my year of Phase 1 and keeps me focused in my life of Phase 4.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/BeckDietSolution

Highly recommend the book, it's about changing your behaviour patterns when it comes to food.

I will! I'm looking forward to reading the book and I will like that FB page. I'm still on the fence about going into Ketosis again...so I'm toying with the idea of not doing a cheat day until goal is met and keeping fats to a minimum etc. Today is day 2 of P1 and from yesterday I was down a little...I'll post in reboot my "strategy" and results in a week or so... or once I have results!!! LOL :)

And how exciting to be traveling to Scotland! I'm heading back to Ireland in March and want to be at or below goal 'cause I sure know I'm going to eat, drink and be merry while there!!! :)

Maile
08-14-2012, 08:06 AM
I envy you folks going to Ireland and Scotland. Lovely countries!

I liked the Beck book also and used her workbook. It was very helpful.

So far so good at work..no comments!!!!!

Ishbel
08-14-2012, 10:07 AM
I envy you folks going to Ireland and Scotland. Lovely countries!

I liked the Beck book also and used her workbook. It was very helpful.

So far so good at work..no comments!!!!!

I didn't know she had a workbook, I downloaded the electronic version of her book and just listened to it as I painted a fence last year. Might have to check that out :)

I really really REALLY liked your quote yesterday maile...I modified it:

"weight is managed not cured, yesterday I managed, today I think I'm managing and tomorrow I hope to manage" It works for everyday :)

I'm glad you're getting no comments, they can be very draining.

We have quite a turn over this summer (typical where I work) and so far the 'new' people who didn't know me...no comments, no 'you look sick' 'are you done yet' 'surely you are happy now' 'you are getting too small'...those only come from the people who knew me before. Granted I lost the weight fast and it probably scared them but I haven't been losing for almost four months (if you count my phase off)...but they never said "wow, you're big you should lose weight" when I was heavy lol

Hope everyone has a great day! :)

New Englander
08-14-2012, 08:02 PM
Hi everyone! I have a question about turnips on non P1 days. If I choose to have them as my veggie for dinner, can I still use two tsp of EVOO on them when baked? Today I had them without any protein (because I had a portion of peanuts as my snack and was so full), and w/o carbs. I just ate turnip fries... yum!

So, is it acceptable to have that combo for dinner? I'm pretty sure it was okay in P1 but I can't seem to wrap my head around it for P4.

Thank you!

chremme
08-14-2012, 11:24 PM
Hi all,

Today was a rough day at my weigh in.

I've haven't had a bad one, yet, and have been working my arse off (literally) to stay OP. I went from Phase 3 to Phase 4 last week and eased in verrrry gradually (most of my lunches and dinners remained the same). Thursday was my birthday, so I had drinks with friends (I hadn't had any alcohol since starting the program, despite plenty of temptation).

I ended up having drinks with friends for three nights in a row. During the day, I stayed totally OP and worked out since I knew I'd be going out.

Regardless, today at my weigh-in, I was up about a pound. I know that's not a lot, but I was getting excited to get back to my social life of being able to go out and have a few with friends and not having to worry about taking back all the work I just put in with the diet.

Help! I feel so hopeless. Any words of wisdom?

Is it better to eat completely Phase 1 (carb-less) on days when you know you'll be drinking that night (to make up for it)?

Or is it better to eat Phase 4, and get your insulin pumping?

So confused and frustrated. How much alcohol is too much for a normal Phase 4 day? Now I'm completely freaked out.

Thanks for any help or support. I need it. :(
c

Ishbel
08-15-2012, 09:48 AM
New Englander I'm confused, you used the nuts as your protein for your supper meal? Just confused and don't want to give you my newbie opinion before I know what you meant lol

chremme Hun, it's one lb...some people here are fluctuating 3 lbs and me personally, I'm currently ok with 5 lbs...as long as I'm back down to where I want to be the beginning of fun day. So after fun day it's high and then I do a phase 1 day and then it comes down and continues to come down (even after going back to Phase 4 after my Phase 1 day and then at the beginning of my fun day it's back to where or NEAR where I like it)

Unfortunately if you go back to old habits the weight will creep up again....I don't know what it is about boose but I had two nights in a row and it took me a while to get it back down and I didn't drink much nor did I eat the stuff in front of me.

I do see a natural swing to my weight, I do not see the same number EVERYDAY :hug:

purple sky
08-15-2012, 12:24 PM
Play around with it and see what you can drink. You might want to choose say wine over beer or mixed drinks. Booze has a lot of sugar in it. One of the first things many of us find out is that we have a very low tolerance for adding sugar back into our diet. This can include fruits as well.

DH always goes up when he has beer.

I used to freak over my 1lb until it moved up to 2 or 3 recently where it seems to want to stay. I prefer my 1lb but oh well. That one lb makes you nervous because you think it will turn into 3 and then 7 and so on and so on. I find things go better when I eat freer for a day or two or a few meals over a weekend and dial it back during the week. If I eat freer for longer or don't dial it back, the weight seems to stick around. I am still surprised at what I can eat and have no negative repercussions on the scale the next day. But, I have to dial it back to my normal. Otherwise it seems to want to hang on.

So try one drink. Or, try drinking for one evening and see what happens. This is an experimentation phase.

New Englander
08-15-2012, 04:50 PM
Ishbel[/B];4438169]New Englander I'm confused, you used the nuts as your protein for your supper meal? Just confused and don't want to give you my newbie opinion before I know what you meant lol


Hi Ishbel, Well, I had a confusing day... :) This is what I had

Breakfast P4: Whole wheat toast, peanut butter and a banana
Lunch P1: 2 cups broccoli and tofu
Snacks: Serving of nuts and protein bar (not together)
Dinner P1: 2 cups of turnips with the P1 permitted 2 tsp of EVOO.

Is this less confusing??? ;) At dinner, basically I didn't feel like eating more protein so I "assumed" the nuts could cover what I needed...

What I'm confused about is my dinner. Is it bad that I mixed fat (the EVOO) with turnips? I know on P1 it would be acceptable.

Thanks!

chremme
08-15-2012, 04:56 PM
purple sky -

Thank you so much for the response. You're right. It's really not that big of a deal, I just get so scared it will get out of control and I'll be back where I started. The support is so amazing. It really helps to know that others understand where I'm at.

Thanks again.
Big hug.
c


Play around with it and see what you can drink. You might want to choose say wine over beer or mixed drinks. Booze has a lot of sugar in it. One of the first things many of us find out is that we have a very low tolerance for adding sugar back into our diet. This can include fruits as well.

DH always goes up when he has beer.

I used to freak over my 1lb until it moved up to 2 or 3 recently where it seems to want to stay. I prefer my 1lb but oh well. That one lb makes you nervous because you think it will turn into 3 and then 7 and so on and so on. I find things go better when I eat freer for a day or two or a few meals over a weekend and dial it back during the week. If I eat freer for longer or don't dial it back, the weight seems to stick around. I am still surprised at what I can eat and have no negative repercussions on the scale the next day. But, I have to dial it back to my normal. Otherwise it seems to want to hang on.

So try one drink. Or, try drinking for one evening and see what happens. This is an experimentation phase.

Ishbel
08-15-2012, 05:00 PM
Hi Ishbel, Well, I had a confusing day... :) This is what I had

Breakfast P4: Whole wheat toast, peanut butter and a banana
Lunch P1: 2 cups broccoli and tofu
Snacks: Serving of nuts and protein bar (not together)
Dinner P1: 2 cups of turnips with the P1 permitted 2 tsp of EVOO.

Is this less confusing??? ;) At dinner, basically I didn't feel like eating more protein so I "assumed" the nuts could cover what I needed...

What I'm confused about is my dinner. Is it bad that I mixed fat (the EVOO) with turnips? I know on P1 it would be acceptable.

Thanks!

I think that's ok to put your oil with your turnips....that's like putting your oil on your veggies in phase 1.

You're doing your modified meal planning to get your 5-7 lbs off you wanted to shake right?

New Englander
08-15-2012, 05:54 PM
I think that's ok to put your oil with your turnips....that's like putting your oil on your veggies in phase 1.

You're doing your modified meal planning to get your 5-7 lbs off you wanted to shake right?
Yeah, I'm trying to shake those extra pounds...I was a good 15 over but a bunch of that was the typical day after "fun" day weight. I'm now officially 7 over... :) Soon!!! It's so much harder to have a P1 day when you're not in ketosis...

Ishbel
08-15-2012, 08:01 PM
Yeah, I'm trying to shake those extra pounds...I was a good 15 over but a bunch of that was the typical day after "fun" day weight. I'm now officially 7 over... :) Soon!!! It's so much harder to have a P1 day when you're not in ketosis...


Ever thought of just doing a week of just a true phase 1 to get it over with faster....that's my plan when I'm back from Europe. Then at least you get into ketosis.

darbs7
08-16-2012, 05:29 AM
MY CHALLENGE TO ALL CURRENT MAINTAINERS:

I have been on this website for a few years and 15 months of that in maintenance. I have seen the names on the maintainer thread change about 4-5 times over that time period. Twice I got to know a group of people and both times a Facebook group formed. It is amazing to me...how many super-focused and successful IPers put all or alot of the weight back on.

I am currently up 15 pounds (happened in the last 3 months...just lost all focus) of the 83 that I lost. Do I feel that I have failed...NO! So the correct move is to regroup and lose it before it goes the other way. This is life, we will all get further and further away from that super-focused weight loss period and we have to find strategies to stay focused.

1. Weigh-in weekly NO MATTER WHAT....most the people who gained back..avoided the scale for months on end (that is the mind's way of saying...hey you are gaining).

2. Must do a phase 1 "type" day...with or without packets...I choose meats and veggies on that day.

3. stay connected on here or whatever group works

4. Find someone in your life that keeps you focused...mine happens to be hubby who is 100% on board with this "lifestyle" change.

When I stuck to the phase 1 weekly....I was able to maintain well.

But anything I craved the last two years was eaten or drank this summer....especially 2 weeks in Las Vegas, followed by several weeks travelling New England on the road with my husband.

Well ladies...tomorrow is my birthday and I am headed for one more road trip this summer...headed to western NY for a 2-day golf vacation, followed by reservations at my favorite Italian restaurant..ouch!

I return to 100% phase 1 for six weeks starting September 2nd.

have a great day!:carrot:

Maile
08-16-2012, 08:18 AM
Darbs: I like your plan. Happy Birthday!!!!! and have a wonderful trip. I was also noticing that many of the people who started out in this thread are no longer here. Are we getting to that 5 percent phase?

New Englander: I use fats at night with my veges. You should be Ok.

Chreme: You should experiment and choose a weight range that you are comfortable with. Your weight will fluctuate. Good luck.

Ishbel: I like your modfication..manage and manage and manage. It it the old people who comment..the new ones think you are normal.

Here are some ideas on emotional barbs from another blog..that I thought were useful to reflect on.


COGNITIVE:

Practice cognitive strategies to address sabotaging thoughts:

--If I hear my inner voice say, “It’s so unfair that I can’t eat what all my skinny friends can eat. Why do I have to eat like this for the rest of my life?” respond by saying: “It’s not actually unfair. First of all, most of my thin friends are runners and do watch what they eat. I have to assume that they’ve budgeted this eating, since that is what thin people naturally do. I can’t assume that thin people get to eat whatever they want. Also, I am lucky in lots of ways—in my family, my financial situation, my work, my health. This is one small way that I have to struggle, but it pales in comparison to what many people have to deal with.” Or just say, “Oh, well.”

--If I hear my inner voice say, “I’ve been so good for so long. One little bit won’t matter” respond by saying, “One little bit is never one little bit for me. That kind of eating is what got me to 197 pounds. I would rather not eat that and stay at 127 pounds rather than eat it (and others like it) and be back at 197 where I was miserable. I’m actually lucky that I have a body that won’t let me get away with eating unhealthfully, because it will keep me on track. Every time I say ‘no,’ it gets easier to do so.”

--If I hear my inner voice say, “I really want that. It will taste so good!” respond by saying, “It actually won’t taste that good. How many times have I been overwhelmed by the variety of candy in the convenience store, unable to pick out just one? Then picked out several because they all looked so good! And then gotten half way through the first one and been disappointed because it really didn’t taste that good, and neither did the next or the next. Unhealthy food never tastes as good as I think it will, or if it does, the good taste never lasts as long as I hope it will. The taste is fleeting, but my health is forever, and worth it.”

--If I hear my inner voice say, “I don’t want to exercise. It’s too cold/early/hard. I’ll do it tomorrow” respond by saying, “Remember that maintenance is really about maintenance of good, healthy habits. Exercise is a crucial part of that. I always feel better after I exercise. I can always decide to only do half an hour, but I’ll make that decision once I’m out there. I can’t afford to let my newfound fitness dissipate—I’ve worked too hard to have that happen.”

--If I hear my inner voice say, “I’m so hungry! I’m going to go into a food crisis! Where is the nearest food? I can just get something quick to keep me from getting weak and shaky” respond by saying, “It’s not an emergency. I’ve been hungry many times and the world has not ended. I’ve been a lot hungrier than this and gotten through it. This is actually my body telling me that I need fuel, but I’m not on empty yet. I can make it to my next meal.”

--If I hear my inner voice say, “I’m gaining weight. I’ve screwed up. I might as well quit now, because there’s no point anymore” respond by saying, “Is that really true?" If I had a friend in my position who said that to me, would I believe her? Or would I point out all that she has accomplished and remind her that a little blip is not going to ruin anything at all? I’d tell her to get back on track right away and not to beat herself up over it—she made a choice, she didn’t cheat.

--If I hear my inner voice say, “I don’t want to eat like this for the rest of my life. It’s too restrictive. I’m just going to screw it. Bring on the chocolate chocolate chip ice cream!” respond by saying, “That is not a choice. It simply is not. It’s fat layered on top of sugar layered on top of fat. The urge is only hard when I’m indulging in even thinking it’s an option. I refuse to give myself that option. I say no, and I’m going to go do something else to distract myself.”

Busymomx4
08-16-2012, 08:50 AM
Good morning,

Well last week was horrible, i had PMS out of this world (I hadn't had TOM since May for some reason). And i just couldn't control myself. Cheat day started on friday and ended on sunday. I was not happy with myself, especially since i'm leaving tomorrow night for vacations. I was up 8lbs and decided to do hardcore bootcamp this week (with only packets, no restricted and no meat (2packets for dinner) and happy to say that as of this morning (after 3 full days), i lost those 8lbs. Still doing it today and hope to lose a couple more but will do phase 3 tomorrow and then will definitely reboot after 3 weeks vacation (1 away and 2 at home). But i'm happy to see that i was able to do it strickly and although i am super hungry as ketosis probably hasn't kicked in yet, i don't have the headaches i did the first time around and no cravings either. I had never felt like i did last week in my 10 months on IP, all i could think about was food, my hormones were really out of control.

So i'm ashamed of the weight i put on and 8lbs when you're thin, you feel it in your clothes and i could see it on my body and i did not like it. But i'm happy to see that i can still do phase 1 without cheating and know that i'll be ok in my reboot!

Maile : Thank you for your quotes...i recognized myself in a few of those and will keep in mind your quotes.

Darbs: thank you too for your strategies, they're all so true. Congrats in maintaining for so long. Happy Birthday and its great that you have a plan.

Ishbel : You're doing so great in maintenance and have good strategies and great control :)

New Englander : I would do phase 1 until those lbs are gone. May as well do it the fastest way.

Alright, have a great day everyone!

MaMaZu
08-16-2012, 08:58 AM
COGNITIVE:

Practice cognitive strategies to address sabotaging thoughts:

--If I hear my inner voice say, “It’s so unfair that I can’t eat what all my skinny friends can eat. Why do I have to eat like this for the rest of my life?” respond by saying: “It’s not actually unfair. First of all, most of my thin friends are runners and do watch what they eat. I have to assume that they’ve budgeted this eating, since that is what thin people naturally do. I can’t assume that thin people get to eat whatever they want. Also, I am lucky in lots of ways—in my family, my financial situation, my work, my health. This is one small way that I have to struggle, but it pales in comparison to what many people have to deal with.” Or just say, “Oh, well.”

--If I hear my inner voice say, “I’ve been so good for so long. One little bit won’t matter” respond by saying, “One little bit is never one little bit for me. That kind of eating is what got me to 197 pounds. I would rather not eat that and stay at 127 pounds rather than eat it (and others like it) and be back at 197 where I was miserable. I’m actually lucky that I have a body that won’t let me get away with eating unhealthfully, because it will keep me on track. Every time I say ‘no,’ it gets easier to do so.”

--If I hear my inner voice say, “I really want that. It will taste so good!” respond by saying, “It actually won’t taste that good. How many times have I been overwhelmed by the variety of candy in the convenience store, unable to pick out just one? Then picked out several because they all looked so good! And then gotten half way through the first one and been disappointed because it really didn’t taste that good, and neither did the next or the next. Unhealthy food never tastes as good as I think it will, or if it does, the good taste never lasts as long as I hope it will. The taste is fleeting, but my health is forever, and worth it.”

--If I hear my inner voice say, “I don’t want to exercise. It’s too cold/early/hard. I’ll do it tomorrow” respond by saying, “Remember that maintenance is really about maintenance of good, healthy habits. Exercise is a crucial part of that. I always feel better after I exercise. I can always decide to only do half an hour, but I’ll make that decision once I’m out there. I can’t afford to let my newfound fitness dissipate—I’ve worked too hard to have that happen.”

--If I hear my inner voice say, “I’m so hungry! I’m going to go into a food crisis! Where is the nearest food? I can just get something quick to keep me from getting weak and shaky” respond by saying, “It’s not an emergency. I’ve been hungry many times and the world has not ended. I’ve been a lot hungrier than this and gotten through it. This is actually my body telling me that I need fuel, but I’m not on empty yet. I can make it to my next meal.”

--If I hear my inner voice say, “I’m gaining weight. I’ve screwed up. I might as well quit now, because there’s no point anymore” respond by saying, “Is that really true?" If I had a friend in my position who said that to me, would I believe her? Or would I point out all that she has accomplished and remind her that a little blip is not going to ruin anything at all? I’d tell her to get back on track right away and not to beat herself up over it—she made a choice, she didn’t cheat.

--If I hear my inner voice say, “I don’t want to eat like this for the rest of my life. It’s too restrictive. I’m just going to screw it. Bring on the chocolate chocolate chip ice cream!” respond by saying, “That is not a choice. It simply is not. It’s fat layered on top of sugar layered on top of fat. The urge is only hard when I’m indulging in even thinking it’s an option. I refuse to give myself that option. I say no, and I’m going to go do something else to distract myself.”

Maile-
Thanks so much for sharing these! I am going to print these out and post it on the refrigerator, front and center.
So much of this journey is about self-talk and examination. Stuffing ourselves with food seems to be a less than honest way of dealing with ourselves and life...
Barbara

New Englander
08-16-2012, 09:31 AM
Darbs - I like that plan. I did perfectly in P1. I like the structure and wouldn't deviate for fear of setting myself back by falling out of Ketosis. I have a girlfriend who gained all 70 lbs lost and is back in P1 :(. I refuse to be that person!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! Enjoy your travels!!!

Busymomx4 & Ishbel - Even though P1 would be quicker I don't want to go into Ketosis right now. My hair is just starting to grow back and I'll just go through the "pain" of doing it slowly. But I know you're both right about it being quicker...Instead I'm pulling back on my cheat day (if I even decide to have one), and kindof sticking to P2/P3. I've eliminated carbs at dinner and fats at lunch... I'm down another pound this morning (after taking of my pjs of course)!!! LOL!!! Whatever works right??!?!?! :)

Ishbel - Have a great time on your trip!!!

Ishbel
08-16-2012, 10:19 AM
maile - awesome post...reminds me of the daily thoughts that show up in my facebook newsfeed from Beck Diet

darbs Happy Birthday, I'll be on Phase 1 to undo the damage from Scotland on starting the 8 Sept....we will be rebooting together :)

newenglander I lost a lot of hair too but it comes from drastically changing your diet and stunting your hair follicals (even my MD started to nod knowningly when I complained originally of the hair loss and she's not my coach) which I don't think you'd be doing now with 5 days of Phase 1. 1. you aren't changing your diet drastically and 2. it's only for five-seven days....I started losing mine about the 3-4 month mark. But you DO have to do what works for you and what you're doing seems to be working! :)

busymom so proud of you and your determination you're my inspiration for the 8 Sept...:D :hug:

Couldn't sleep last night thinking about the piles of clothes and how much or how little I must take and whether I can lift the back pack. When I helped the VIP pack for his Holland trip in June we packed a 45 lb pack and I tried it on and fell backwards onto the bed...so yes I can take 50 lbs but will I be able to LIFT it...funny how I would carry three times that much before.

chremme
08-16-2012, 12:34 PM
Does anyone know of a good low carb protein powder?

I'm looking for something to replace the Vanilla Pudding IP packet that isn't so expensive but still oh so delicious in my coffee.

Ishbel
08-16-2012, 01:02 PM
Does anyone know of a good low carb protein powder?

I'm looking for something to replace the Vanilla Pudding IP packet that isn't so expensive but still oh so delicious in my coffee.

Pure Protein has a vanilla shake and comes in powder. Haven't tried the powder but the shake is yummy.

OK!

I know I'm posting a lot lately, I think I have vacation brain so I'm avoiding things and coming on here.

Check out this article!

http://beckdietsolution.wordpress.com/2012/08/15/in-session-with-deborah-regaining-focus/

New Englander
08-16-2012, 01:05 PM
Ishbel - I'll keep trying what I'm doing now for a couple of weeks. Mentally, it's so good for me to have my breakfast. I'll double up on my P1 days when I do them. Before I was HORRIBLE with my fun dayS! :) Fun, yes!

Are you backpacking on your trip?

New Englander
08-16-2012, 01:27 PM
I have a question about sushi in maintenance (on non "fun" days).

Price Chopper nearby sells brown rice sushi with crab, cucumber and carrots (I think). Would this be an acceptable dinner option for P4? I was thinking it would be because of the no fat and carb of brown rice. Am I missing something?

Thanks!

Busymomx4
08-16-2012, 01:41 PM
I have a question about sushi in maintenance (on non "fun" days).

Price Chopper nearby sells brown rice sushi with crab, cucumber and carrots (I think). Would this be an acceptable dinner option for P4? I was thinking it would be because of the no fat and carb of brown rice. Am I missing something?

Thanks!

LOL i asked the same question awhile back as i only like the sushi with cucumber. Even if its made with brown rice, its sticky rice which is a lot higher in carbs than regular brown rice so i'll tell you the same as i was told. I would not have it unless its a cheat day and enjoy all the sushi you like. And i did have some brown rice sushi (on a cheat day) and its not as good and it falls apart, lol.

New Englander
08-16-2012, 01:43 PM
LOL i asked the same question awhile back as i only like the sushi with cucumber. Even if its made with brown rice, its sticky rice which is a lot higher in carbs than regular brown rice so i'll tell you the same as i was told. I would not have it unless its a cheat day and enjoy all the sushi you like. And i did have some brown rice sushi (on a cheat day) and its not as good and it falls apart, lol.
Not the answer I was hoping for LOL!!! But I'll hold out for it on a fun day. Plus it's a better fun day choice than some of the other things I've been enjoying (in abundance)... :)

Thanks!

AND...you look great! What a great transition!!! :) Way to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Busymomx4
08-16-2012, 01:44 PM
Not the answer I was hoping for LOL!!! But I'll hold out for it on a fun day. Plus it's a better fun day choice than some of the other things I've been enjoying (in abundance)... :)

Thanks!

LOL i know, i was hoping for a different answer when i asked too.

capricious
08-17-2012, 02:13 AM
Hello all... back from the cabin... again... back on phase 1... again...sigh...
I don't mind being on Phase 1. Other than the giving up my social life part. Summer has been a difficult time to stay on track. Especially when I'm away from home and we're out of routine and eating and caving to well meaning food pushers... That combined with staying up late painting the cabin every night for almost two weeks left me searching for easy energy and I found it in the pantry :o
But I really do not like gaining weight. And I really do not like feeling bloated. And I really do not like the after effects of simple carbs. The body does not run well on them plain and simple. It will never cease to amaze me how little I really need to eat (phase 1) and how much I can convince myself I need when I'm not paying attention (phase 4 run amok ;)). Truly is the beauty of phase 1. A refresher course. I do not need to graze all day. I do not need carbs. And I will feel a whole heck of a lot better when I acknowledge these two things rather than ignore them.
I have committed myself to a proper restart. 2 weeks phase 1. 2 weeks phase 2. 2 weeks phase 3. I am beginning to think each of the phases are individually important (duh) and that I need to begin properly again to put myself on the right track for phase 4.
Maile- I loved both of the blogs you posted. The one about the different states of maintenance had me laughing. I keep bouncing between 3-5. Looking forward to doing 6 properly. Congratulations on your (almost) one year. The National Weight Control Registry will be lucky to have you in there numbers. I know that we are lucky to have you here.
Ishbel- I think 10k in 1hr8min is fantastic! I'm a slow and steady runner myself so most of my 10k have registered around 1hr15min... It was a funny visual picturing you being toppled by the knapsack. And it is truly amazing what having a tangible reminder of the weight we've lost can do. So much lighter and freer now... thank goodness :)
BusyMom- Congrats on losing the added 8! Hope you have a great time on vacation! The free day is tricky territory. You want to have it because it allows you to feel free to indulge but there is always the anxiety from the weight gain. Every time you tackle the extra pounds you prove to yourself it can be done and that can really help with self efficacy. But there is much to be said of a calm maintenance and it can feel like a bit of a roller coaster ride when a free day is thrown in. Such a tough call...
PurpleSky- maintaining is worth it. I'm sure you know that. But it doesn't mean perfection just a willingness to stop a slide before it becomes an avalanche. You acknowledge that so... I'm just reinforcing your opinion ;)
To the new maintainers- welcome!- post often it really does help!
Can't help but come back to IP. The structure and safety of it just works for me. Carbs are not my friend. Unless they're the backstabbing kind :p That pretends to like me whilst putting the knife in my back. And the sad part is I keep falling for it.
But honestly Maile, those blogs really resonated. And I've had enough. I don't want to put on weight and I don't want to feel sorry for myself because I can't eat this or that. And since I control the outcome. Well here I am. Ready to do what needs to be done to stay on track.
I feel a bit badly about 'switching sides' so frequently... but everyone's maintenance is their own... and mine has involved a lot of experimenting that has led me to believe what I should have known all along... stick with what works.

darbs7
08-17-2012, 07:35 AM
Thanks for bday wishes ladies Cap I will be doing the same but four weeks in phase one. I ignored all rules this summer. Starting September 2. In the meantime weighing in once a week and more gaining.

swimcoachmomma
08-17-2012, 08:18 AM
Good morning folks. I am back. Argh! Sigh! I am a carb addict. I took off 70 pounds on IP from October to April or may. Maintaining in 5 pound window for couple months. Now 8 are back. Sugar is the enemy. Early on I could have a couple M&Ms and leave it at that. Not so anymore. I need to breathe deeply and take control of this crazy thing again. Imagine that. I tickled the dragon and it woke up!!!!! So glad u all are here. Not quite ready for full phase one yet, but this is my first step.

Maile
08-17-2012, 08:32 AM
I am glad you liked the blogs. I found them helpful.

For 3 days I have been in training and sitting with 200 people ..and at a table of 10 people I work with. So now I have decided that a key to my maintenance is to be self reliant. It struck me that I am a member of the Nobody else is doing this club..verses everybody else is doing this.
Nobody else was getting up early and walking before the meetings.
Nobody else was not eating the donut breakfast.
Nobody else ordered a stir fry at the restaurant..everybody chose the deep fried heavy gravy lunch.
Nobody else stayed away from the chocolate on the table for snack 1.
Nobody else stayed away from the cookies for snack two.

My point is that I felt very much alone and walking a separate path from all of the people I work with. I would say 90 percent of the people in the room were similar to the ones I work with. I am not feeling sorry for myself..just feeling very different from most people.

Cap: It is good to hear from you. I know you will feel much better with the structure and low carb phases. Good luck on your restart. You sound focused and ready to go. You sound like you have been very busy with your cabin. Are you done painting it?

Ishbel: I loved that Beck article. It is absolutely the key. You have got to stay focused no matter how busy you are. I can feel the pressure of work starting to hit me, and I really have to stay focused on exercise and food planning.
You have done a wonderful job of losing 150 pounds..3 suitcases!!!!!

Busymom: That was great losing 8 pounds. You were wise to attack it quickly before your vacation.

Darbs: I hope you enjoyed your bd. and are getting ready for your vacation!

New Englander: You could check the nutrition of the sushi..and calculate the carbs..so they would equal what you normally eat for dinner. It might be just one piece or two.

Mamazu: You are right. Our self talk is important and it is helpful to have tools to keep you on track.

swimcoachmomma
08-17-2012, 08:44 AM
I am glad you liked the blogs. I found them helpful.

For 3 days I have been in training and sitting with 200 people ..and at a table of 10 people I work with. So now I have decided that a key to my maintenance is to be self reliant. It struck me that I am a member of the Nobody else is doing this club..verses everybody else is doing this.
Nobody else was getting up early and walking before the meetings.
Nobody else was not eating the donut breakfast.
Nobody else ordered a stir fry at the restaurant..everybody chose the deep fried heavy gravy lunch.
Nobody else stayed away from the chocolate on the table for snack 1.
Nobody else stayed away from the cookies for snack two.

My point is that I felt very much alone and walking a separate path from all of the people I work with. I would say 90 percent of the people in the room were similar to the ones I work with. I am not feeling sorry for myself..just feeling very different from most people.

Cap: It is good to hear from you. I know you will feel much better with the structure and low carb phases. Good luck on your restart. You sound focused and ready to go. You sound like you have been very busy with your cabin. Are you done painting it?

Ishbel: I loved that Beck article. It is absolutely the key. You have got to stay focused no matter how busy you are. I can feel the pressure of work starting to hit me, and I really have to stay focused on exercise and food planning.
You have done a wonderful job of losing 150 pounds..3 suitcases!!!!!


Busymom: That was great losing 8 pounds. You were wise to attack it quickly before your vacation.

Darbs: I hope you enjoyed your bd. and are getting ready for your vacation!

New Englander: You could check the nutrition of the sushi..and calculate the carbs..so they would equal what you normally eat for dinner. It might be just one piece or two.

Mamazu: You are right. Our self talk is important and it is helpful to have tools to keep you on track.


Maile. I so agree with your observations. It does feel lonely. Those times are the ones where we need to double focus. When I travelled in phase one I would go for a walk or go back to my room instead of hanging around during the breaks. Self talk is truly so critical. I catch myself saying negative things about myself. I am worth this.

Maile
08-17-2012, 08:45 AM
Swimcoachmomma,
Hang in there. You can do it. You have done it before and you can get yourself back on track. You know Phase 1 works and you will feel so much better when you don't eat sugar. Just tell your self you are learning about maintenance and you will put that dragon back to sleep in a cave...He must be a sugar dragon!

Thanks for your support! That is a good idea about taking walks during breaks.
Self talk is critical! You might go to www.beckdietsolution.com. She has lots of self talk tools to share. You are right. We are worth it!!

Ishbel: That Beck site is great and a good daily motivator. I really like it. Thanks for sharing it.

NOVAScents
08-17-2012, 03:07 PM
I love this place! Whenever I get discouraged I know I can hop on here and be lifted right back up.

Maile, you are right in all of your posts! I too feel like I'm an outsider. Just today we got invited to a brunch and it was all about this "amazing french toast"... I can't eat french toast, sorry. Omelet, sure! I really, really, really, hate having to force people to make something "special" for me, you know? It's guilt, but its also ridiculous because those people shouldn't be eating that crap anyways. I have to begin to see things as I am HELPING them. I know my husband has mentioned that when he goes out to lunch with co-workers they are making healthier choices because they see him ordering the salad with no dressing... so we are making a difference!

Now I need to get my butt in gear to exercise, even if it is only doing a few floor exercises at night while we watch tv!

Also, very happy to report that we went away for a mini-vacation and I ate whatever I wanted with only a 1lb gain. I'm on my second day of phase 1 and will see what the scale says tomorrow and will move on or stay.

New Englander
08-18-2012, 08:57 AM
Hi all! Well, today is my "fun" day. I'm keeping it low key. Like I'm getting a Skinny Starbucks Latte! Going shopping with mom this morning but she had an accident last night and needs to get a tetanus shot this morning. (She cut her hand when the watermelon she was getting for dad fell and hit a plate in the fridge. She needed three stitches!)

I'm happy to have done so well this week. I love being able to come here. Even if I don't write, just reading all your posts really helps!

Thanks!

Ishbel
08-18-2012, 10:39 AM
novascents WOOHOO for going on vaca and only gaining a lb.

cap WELCOME back! Your posts are missed when you are not here...don't worry about 'switching sides' there are people in imperial army that want to be with the rebels too...and vice versa...ALSO, autobots can become decepticons and then back to autobots at anytime too...it's all good, just keep sticking around! :) You're plan sounds great, I know you'll rock it!

new englander yup, I'm backpacking....little stressed about the pile on my sparebed...it's getting a 'little big' LOL...but the VIP said he'd take what I couldn't lift LMAO...I'm taking some IP bars and simply bars to help with healthy choices...so I'm packing those as my pack will get lighter! HAHAHA

maile You have just awesome posts...you are SO right, it IS lonely. I find some of my friends are having problems connecting with me as I'm passionate about no sugar and eating healthy and exercise...and she doesn't want to hear about it so now we have 'rules' in some of my relationships and when I'm talking to her I actively try NOT to talk about 'healthy stuff'.

***************

So yesterday was 3 months into maintenance and I'm 7 lbs below my goal...exactly where I started maintenance. I'm happy with that considering I'm going to be 16 days away from home on vaca in a place that I won't be able to cook for myself...so very little control other then my choices (which is a lot of control)

I have a question for you all...when you say you fluctuate within 1-3 lbs...is that only on your weigh in day, cause I fluctuate 4-5 within the week but I'm always 1-2 lbs difference on fun day (today was unusually low). I'm quite comfortable with my fluctuation and I know I couldn't keep the daily fluctuation to 1 lb LOL.

Let me know?

2RIDEROLLERCOAST
08-18-2012, 02:23 PM
Well ladies I am back, have lurked a while, cant get onto this site at work anymore so I won't be on every day but try at least once or twice a week. I was so impressed with ishbel's running I started last week running at the off leash park. So today I did a 4 K which isn't much but I am preparing for the big event.... I just entered to run my first 5k in years.... and it is next Sunday.
It is for HARTS run for Rescue ( a dog rescue org) I will be taking my two girls, am hoping they won't pull me too much. When we run at the off leash it is off leash, next sunday will be on leash, so as long as they don't trip me I am good. I am sure we will complete it but I am not as fast as Carla or Cap, it took me about 45 min to run a 4 today but that is fine. after we did that we met a friend and walked with her her kids and dog for 1 hour so my dogs are both flaked out sleeping and I am here telling you all how I have missed you.
I am still in maintenance but most of the time I kind do a phase 1/phase 2 protein shake for breakfast, shake and salad for lunch and meat and veg for supper... am good most of the time but still have a candy once in a while. found lately have really missed torillas and salsa, been having salsa on salad a lot but not quite the same. For whoever asked about protein powder I get a brand called kaizen naturals as it has stevia and not splenda for a sweetener, I have found it in vanilla or chocolate.. I have only had the vanilla one, I mix it with big train caramel smoothie mix, or with fruit. I really like it and it is a big container so a little cheaper than pure protein. I am maintening after gaining fast at the beginning of maintenance am around 169 so I still would like to get back to the 150s but maybe with the little more exercise now I can do this.

Have a great weekend all, will let you know how I did next week, I keep singing to myself (not out loud as I CANT sing) What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.



MY CHALLENGE TO ALL CURRENT MAINTAINERS:

I have been on this website for a few years and 15 months of that in maintenance. I have seen the names on the maintainer thread change about 4-5 times over that time period. Twice I got to know a group of people and both times a Facebook group formed. It is amazing to me...how many super-focused and successful IPers put all or alot of the weight back on.

I am currently up 15 pounds (happened in the last 3 months...just lost all focus) of the 83 that I lost. Do I feel that I have failed...NO! So the correct move is to regroup and lose it before it goes the other way. This is life, we will all get further and further away from that super-focused weight loss period and we have to find strategies to stay focused.

1. Weigh-in weekly NO MATTER WHAT....most the people who gained back..avoided the scale for months on end (that is the mind's way of saying...hey you are gaining).

2. Must do a phase 1 "type" day...with or without packets...I choose meats and veggies on that day.

3. stay connected on here or whatever group works

4. Find someone in your life that keeps you focused...mine happens to be hubby who is 100% on board with this "lifestyle" change.

When I stuck to the phase 1 weekly....I was able to maintain well.

But anything I craved the last two years was eaten or drank this summer....especially 2 weeks in Las Vegas, followed by several weeks travelling New England on the road with my husband.

Well ladies...tomorrow is my birthday and I am headed for one more road trip this summer...headed to western NY for a 2-day golf vacation, followed by reservations at my favorite Italian restaurant..ouch!

I return to 100% phase 1 for six weeks starting September 2nd.

have a great day!:carrot: Hope you had a great birthday, and I do like your list will try to follow as well.

maile - awesome post...reminds me of the daily thoughts that show up in my facebook newsfeed from Beck Diet

darbs Happy Birthday, I'll be on Phase 1 to undo the damage from Scotland on starting the 8 Sept....we will be rebooting together :)

newenglander I lost a lot of hair too but it comes from drastically changing your diet and stunting your hair follicals (even my MD started to nod knowningly when I complained originally of the hair loss and she's not my coach) which I don't think you'd be doing now with 5 days of Phase 1. 1. you aren't changing your diet drastically and 2. it's only for five-seven days....I started losing mine about the 3-4 month mark. But you DO have to do what works for you and what you're doing seems to be working! :)

busymom so proud of you and your determination you're my inspiration for the 8 Sept...:D :hug:

Couldn't sleep last night thinking about the piles of clothes and how much or how little I must take and whether I can lift the back pack. When I helped the VIP pack for his Holland trip in June we packed a 45 lb pack and I tried it on and fell backwards onto the bed...so yes I can take 50 lbs but will I be able to LIFT it...funny how I would carry three times that much before.Have a great vacation and enjoy everything including the food.
You will come back refreshed and ready to continue.:hug:

Maile
08-19-2012, 08:33 AM
Novascents:
That is a good way of looking at it. You are helping people to eat healthier. I am glad your husband is having a good influence on others. I always order salads with a dressing on the side or no dressing. I think you have to get used to being different..to being the absolutely only one at the table eating differently.
My husband and I went over to a friend's for dinner. After the dinner, we both said that we did not want desert...despite the fact that one of the guests had made an elegant desert. People are always surprised when you just say no.

Have you looked at the Phase 3 breakfast recipes here? There is a post for french toast. I am wondering if you could make a low carb version of French Toast?

Great job on only one pound up after vacation.


Ishbel: You re right. It is lonely to be the only one eating healthy. Also your friends and family often pressure you or don't understand you. But holding firm works and people are forced to get used to the new you.
That is great that you are 7 pounds under goal and maintaining!
Good luck on your packing for your trip.
I personally have a 3 pound range. I do not let my weight get above 3 pounds on any day.

2Ride. Your run is for such a good cause. How fun that they let you run with your dogs. That is wonderful that you are running and exercising. I am glad your maintenance is going well. I have missed hearing from you.
In the Phase 3 breakfasts, people mentioned low carb tortillas from Costco.

Quite honestly I have not maintained for this long for a number of years and never at this weight. I really did not expect that in maintenance you would be dealing with issues of feeling alone or feeling pressure from others.
I am so glad that I can post here and feel understood.

Lian
08-19-2012, 08:58 AM
Good morning,
So I had my fun day yesterday, And I finally got to the
Low carb grocery store and purchased some bakers delux low carb bread
Could i still have that for breakfast after a fun day?????

2RIDEROLLERCOAST
08-19-2012, 12:18 PM
If you are doing a phase 1 day I would say no, then no bread, just the regular phase 1 day. Just remember it is only one day and then you can go back to bread for breakfast.

I never really over indulged in fun day but did a phase 1 afterwards... my problem is carbs are not my friend. I basically have protein shakes breakfast and lunch and meat and veg for supper... on weekends I have pouched eggs on toast one day and back to regular shakes the rest of the weekend.

capricious
08-19-2012, 05:38 PM
Thank you for the warm welcome back! It's hard to be cut off from everyone when I'm away... And I do find that this is the very best place to stay on track... The encouragement, ideas and support can't be beat!
Today is the last day of my first week of Phase 1. Very happy with the results! Just feeling good inside my own skin is so worth it :)
Making low carb molasses bread for my family today... I won't be partaking obviously but I really feel that in this lonely low carb world I will at least get my family on board. If I were to look for mines in the minefield of maintenance having treats in the pantry for my family would rank pretty high...

capricious
08-20-2012, 12:44 AM
Maile- having remained in a 3 pound window is so very amazing and commendable! I can so identify with your story of the nobody else club. Such a lonely place to be. Because although one can recognize that making good choices shouldn't be wrong there is that feeling that majority rules. I read an interesting article in Fitness magazine "how to live thin in a fat world" which explained why as a maintainers one has to work harder and be more careful than one who has always been at a healthy weight. And it is so true that because we look 'normal' we are expected to follow in line with the norm of having treats & extras by our peers until we ourselves begin to believe it. Truth hurts... It only takes a few days of overeating to gain a relatively large amount of weight... So, unfortunate as it may be I accept that I will have to fight harder to stay the same... So be it. It's worth it.
Ishbel- thanks for the laugh! Never thought of myself as a transformer before :). When are you leaving for your trip?
2ride- it's great to hear from you! Congrats on registering for the run. It is a very good cause with great benefits for the dogs & you! You'll have to let us know how it goes... You must be very proud to have maintained such a large loss for so long!
Novoscents- I enjoyed reading your post and I completely concur! People shouldn't be eating much of the crap they're eating and then hanging their guilt on the neck of the person who is choosing to eat responsibly. Figure the world will be a better, healthier place when more people start making healthy choices...might be a long wait ;).
Got into a bit of a scrap with my husband about the healthiness of IP packets- with him stating that they're processed and full of chemicals and unhealthy. I got upset and laid in tearing apart what he chooses to eat- processed, refined crap crap crap. This is the thing- Phase 4 is probably the healthiest phase because it is whole foods, balanced, still low carb-6 days a week at least ;)
Lian- I would have to agree with 2ride... A phase 1 day after a free day should be a true phase 1...
NewEnglander- how was your latte free day?
Purplesky- how is your phase 1ing going? Or did you decide to maintain a fuller weight?

2RIDEROLLERCOAST
08-20-2012, 12:56 PM
Good morning all,
Just got back from my run. I decided I should try to run 5 k before I HAVE to run in the 5KM race next week.
One of my Red dog's tripped me while I was running up the stairs yesterday and have wicked bruises and bumps... decided that wouldn't stop me this morning.
Ran the outer loop at Terwillegar off leash park which is 3.02 KM so stopped at the river so Rebel could swim and I would throw her ball a few times as she hadn't dropped her ball during the entire run. Thought that too soon. So I continued with my run and the dogs went one way and I went the other into the woods, well Leelu came back but Rebel never did, so I had to go in a circle to find her, I find her but she has since LOST her ball, so back again we go looking... the good thing is she knew where it was, the bad thing Leelu took off into the woods again. So off we go chasing her, can't find her do a couple of loops yelling and whistling for her NOTHING so Rebel and I run through different paths through the woods and still nothing so I decide she will probably run down to the river to see if we are there. We get out of the trees I yell for her once more and here she comes from the parking area, I ran into a couple of ladies and they said she had spent a good time running from the water to near the parking lot looking for us... they were going to wait a few minutes more and then take her with them... boy was I scared.... so we went to the river so rebel could swim, and drink and Leelu could drink, and me I could catch my breath...
Good News I did it I ran over 5 k looking for dogs and balls....
Hope everyone has a great day.

capricious
08-20-2012, 02:04 PM
Thanks for the story 2ride... always love a happy ending... you leaving with both dogs and completing a 5 k ;) Too bad about all the stress tho'...
I've been giving it some thought and I'd like to set up another maintainers challenge in the fall... Perhaps from after the September long weekend until Halloween... And then set up another for the holidays... Anyone interested?

Ishbel
08-20-2012, 03:26 PM
Lian Your phase 1 day should be 3 IP (or alternative) products with one lean meat as your supper and 4 cups of veggies. So I wouldn't touch the bread on a Phase 1 day.

cap I leave on Wednesday! I can't WAIT to have 16 days with the VIP alone...just me and him....hope we don't kill each other :D (we won't lol)

2Ride Good to see you back! WOOOT WOOOT for running, I find I'm actually only running 2-3 times a week, I up it when I have a day off and there's no reason to "NOT" run. It really helps with maintenance. Sorry about your puppy, that would have max stressed me, glad you found each other! :)

Things that I have learned in 3 months in maintenance:

- indulging once in a while won't hurt me (ie having a small piece of cake during the week)
- running is important to me...I'm in love with it...that surprises me!
- I must NOT run on fun day as it makes me hungry the next day (although running actually cuts my hunger)...no one wants to be hungry on a Phase 1 day...so I run on a Phase 1 day so I'm not as hungry BONUS is I use up glycogen stores from the day before and I can jump right back into Phase 4 the next day and deal with any potential hunger.
- I need to keep myself busy on a Phase 1 day so I plan activities and that could be just going for a walk at a specific time of day or even just making phase 1 day my cleaning day...
- chocolate...I just can't have it..I limit it even on fun day, that much sugar now makes my tummy feel bad AND I get the instant sugar crash and will fall immediately to sleep (which I never do now and I hate that feeling). I was pre-diabetic before I started IP so perhaps I'm ultra sensitive but I because I highly dislike the 'upset tummy/falling asleep symptom" I just avoid it
- nutz...I'm in love with nutz and would NEVER be able to have a jar in my house so I save them for fun day and go to Nutters (pun not intended but I laughed as I typed it ) and get a serving and enjoy them without guilt! (the ladies at the counter already know my schedule and will say "you're here for your weekly treat! lol)
- fruit...I love fruit...when I'm at work I can schedule them into my daily plan (twice a day) so as part of my fun day I'm allowed to have as much fruit as I want...I have probably 3-4 fruits on fun day.
- journaling, I still journal but will only journal Monday to Friday, I don't need to journal fun day (who wants to really know) and I don't journal Phase 1 day...so really I do essentially take the weekends off. I use a journaling app, I eat the same breakfasts everyday (same one I chose for Phase 3) and type in my plan right before I go to bed. Because I eat generally the same food (cycled throughout the month) the ap already knows what I'm typing almost before I type it. Takes me seconds to punch it in.
- the app also shows me the natural swing of my weight so I find my anxiety level on the scale is much reduced...I can see the swing and that gives me confidence in what I'm doing is right.
- and finally - water...I must MUST keep the same amount of water EVERYDAY, including fun day...this helps keep me on track and not over indulge on fun day...and also helps me with my running plans for the next day.


Not sure if anyone saw my last question on my last post...would anyone share with me? :D

I have a question for you all...when you say you fluctuate within 1-3 lbs...is that only on your weigh in day, cause I fluctuate 4-5 within the week but I'm always 1-2 lbs difference on fun day (today was unusually low). I'm quite comfortable with my fluctuation and I know I couldn't keep the daily fluctuation to 1 lb LOL.

(long post sorry!)

purple sky
08-20-2012, 05:12 PM
3 months in maintenance. I seem to be running about 2-3 pounds above my range. It crept up last month and seems to have hung around. I reached a point of disgust well moreso discomfort and tried to P1 it. While those few days were unusually calming, by day 4 the scale went up so I was done. I chose to do P1 because my weight was not coming down and I could not stand the bloating. So I did my last supper. And was quite pleased with myself when I attempted P1. I loved the calm. I loved not craving carbs. But I seemed to trade the bloating for the Big C and after nearly 2 weeks of tummy area discomfort I was done. 4 days of eating better and a weight gain. No no. So I switched back to my normal P3, starting going to the bathroom again and felt so much better. While there was no weight loss. There was also no bloating or Big C issues. I did feel heavy and so there is a part of me that wants to attempt P1 again. And this time try to fully commit. At the time I tried P1 my cravings were a problem and I was not stopping at one meal or one day which I believe is why the weight stuck around. I generally feel fine but somewhat heavy. It's a strange feeling but I may have gotten used to this new weight. Earlier in summer I thought myself small now I don't anymore. It's funny how perception works. I was used to my body from the beginning of the year so my spring body was markedly smaller. But now that I am used to this size, I think maybe I could go down a few. But, I am a very slow loser so I would need a long period of commitment. 1 week won't do anything for me. I would probably need a month. So one day, when I know I can commit for a month or so I will have to try again.

So far so good as far as maintenance goes. I do feel like I have moved into P4 more. Early in the summer I chose to stay closer to P3 and did not really do free days. I do feel like I am getting a better hang of free days and prefer free meals as weird behaviors occur with free days. Portion control. And that's not me. That's new P4 behavior and I don't understand it.

I think when I had first lost the weight it was so dramatic. I missed my face (the fat in it) and other things but now that I have been this size all summer, I would not mind going the next step. Until then I want to continue to work on trying out P4. I am still amazed at what I can eat resulting in nothing the next day. BUT, I am also still dumfounded at which choices cause weird gain that won't leave and immense discomfort. Burger and fries yesterday. Feel great today. Another time. 4 days of discomfort. Hopefully over time as I try new things it will even out.

I have to say that the only thing I do not like is not being able to have a little of this or a little of that here and there which to me, mentally, is healthy as opposed to eating a large portion or indulging for a whole day. That still remains very odd to me and I would much prefer to a have a small amt of ice cream each day or a sandwich. I miss sandwiches.

I also saw somewhere once that water with lemon and parsley helps with bloating. I have not tried it yet.

One thing I have found is that when the food is really, really good, then the splurge is worth it but if you get excited and go out to eat and it's not what you remember you liked and it's kinda bleh because what you prepare at home is just much much better, then it becomes a great disappointment for that day and the remaining week waiting for it to come off. So, I will work on that. Make the treats a true treat.

NOVAScents
08-21-2012, 05:47 AM
Purple Sky, I love how you says to splurge on the really, really, good, but do you ever find that things you think will be really, really, good just aren't? I went to Taco Bell a few weeks ago because we we're running late to a wedding and it was about the only thing besides McDonalds available and I was SO excited for it and it was just a total flop LOL

Which is great! I am so happy to know that its so sub-par so what I'm now used to that it doesn't taste good.

Now if only french bread could lose have that reaction to my body I'd be set! :)

NOVAScents
08-21-2012, 05:51 AM
I made beets and beet greens last night- HEAVEN!!!! Oh how I have missed my beets! No butter or oil, just a sauteed everything down with some water and then added sauteed onions. It's funny the things I crave ;)

NOVAScents
08-21-2012, 05:52 AM
Thanks for the story 2ride... always love a happy ending... you leaving with both dogs and completing a 5 k ;) Too bad about all the stress tho'...
I've been giving it some thought and I'd like to set up another maintainers challenge in the fall... Perhaps from after the September long weekend until Halloween... And then set up another for the holidays... Anyone interested?

I'm interested :carrot:

Paint Lady
08-21-2012, 10:09 AM
Count me in as another maintainer that needs a reboot. I had a busy, busy summer and just tried to do the best I could without stressing over every little thing I put in my mouth. My kids have kept me hopping and I am so thankful that school has started. I'm up a few lbs over my ceiling weight and the carb cravings have been awakened! I started the reboot yesterday and I'm doing fine. I could probably get back to my goal weight with a few days here and there of phase 1, but I need to get back on track and get my cravings under control. One thing I realized is that summer will likely be my most difficult time to eat healthy.

patns
08-21-2012, 10:58 AM
Good morning all,
Just got back from my run. I decided I should try to run 5 k before I HAVE to run in the 5KM race next week.
One of my Red dog's tripped me while I was running up the stairs yesterday and have wicked bruises and bumps... decided that wouldn't stop me this morning.
Ran the outer loop at Terwillegar off leash park which is 3.02 KM so stopped at the river so Rebel could swim and I would throw her ball a few times as she hadn't dropped her ball during the entire run. Thought that too soon. So I continued with my run and the dogs went one way and I went the other into the woods, well Leelu came back but Rebel never did, so I had to go in a circle to find her, I find her but she has since LOST her ball, so back again we go looking... the good thing is she knew where it was, the bad thing Leelu took off into the woods again. So off we go chasing her, can't find her do a couple of loops yelling and whistling for her NOTHING so Rebel and I run through different paths through the woods and still nothing so I decide she will probably run down to the river to see if we are there. We get out of the trees I yell for her once more and here she comes from the parking area, I ran into a couple of ladies and they said she had spent a good time running from the water to near the parking lot looking for us... they were going to wait a few minutes more and then take her with them... boy was I scared.... so we went to the river so rebel could swim, and drink and Leelu could drink, and me I could catch my breath...
Good News I did it I ran over 5 k looking for dogs and balls....
Hope everyone has a great day.



So glad to get to the end of your post and see that you found your dog!

Last year at one point there were signs all over the River Valley trails about a dog new to the city who had run away in the off leash area. The signs were there for at least a week and it never did say she had been found. I still wonder about that dog, so was very happy yours showed up.
She was very clever to head to the parking area to look for you.

Pat

patns
08-21-2012, 11:08 AM
Count me in as another maintainer that needs a reboot. I had a busy, busy summer and just tried to do the best I could without stressing over every little thing I put in my mouth. My kids have kept me hopping and I am so thankful that school has started. I'm up a few lbs over my ceiling weight and the carb cravings have been awakened! I started the reboot yesterday and I'm doing fine. I could probably get back to my goal weight with a few days here and there of phase 1, but I need to get back on track and get my cravings under control. One thing I realized is that summer will likely be my most difficult time to eat healthy.

We always seem to be at the same point on this journey. I was up four pounds at the end of June with so many retirements at the end of the school year and a big birthday for me. Everyone was so tired of me not taking part in any food related events for a year and kept saying surly a glass of wine won't hurt!
But I have carried that 4 pounds all summer and really hadn't been able to get down to what I had hoped for in the first place (125). So I am back in phase 1 too until I get back to 130. I watched quite carefully what I ate all summer but the June gain just wouldn't come off.

I am likely going to have to do this twice a year, after summer and after Christmas.

At least if I can get back to 130 my work clothes will be comfy.

So I need to go back to tracking everything carefully. One thing I noticed is that it is just as important to keep the protein up as it is to keep the carbs down.

Pat

Pat

Paint Lady
08-21-2012, 11:19 AM
Pat, I'm so thankful for my IP friends. I don't wish this discomfort in my own body on anyone, but it's so nice to have people to "talk" to that really understand. I'm glad we are going through this together.

MaMaZu
08-21-2012, 12:57 PM
Good Morning fellow maintainers!
I've been maintaining now for several weeks, have had some grains but definitely feel better without them as I have fibromyalgia. Now I guess I'll be eliminating tomatoes as my pain level is way up.
I run into this problem every summer as my husband grows lots and lots of them. So between the caprese salad for dinner, the tomatoes in my salads and the fresh tomato sauce my body is screaming STOP! I guess my six months on Phase 1 and extremely limiting amounts and now having a boatload in our garden I have just overdone it.
For sure, the alkaline diet of Phase 1 made me feel invincible. So now, without the safety net of Phase 1 and the ease of Ketosis, I'll eliminate this on my own. It's really only tomatoes, but I really feel like whining about this. Going to have to put my big girl (albeit smaller!) panties on and do what's best for my health!
Thanks for letting me vent; I know in the scheme of things this is only a pimple, but oh how I've been enjoying those tomatoes!

purple sky
08-21-2012, 01:23 PM
Purple Sky, I love how you says to splurge on the really, really, good, but do you ever find that things you think will be really, really, good just aren't? I went to Taco Bell a few weeks ago because we we're running late to a wedding and it was about the only thing besides McDonalds available and I was SO excited for it and it was just a total flop LOL

Which is great! I am so happy to know that its so sub-par so what I'm now used to that it doesn't taste good.

Now if only french bread could lose have that reaction to my body I'd be set! :)

Hmm Taco Bell. Been thinking about them lately. I tried Chipotle and it was not what I remembered. So, that's okay. I'll continue to be picky. Not being picky was how I put the weight on anyway.

Oh and I forgot to mention before.
My morning weight has a 3 lb range. For example I was used to see 124-126. I now see 126-128. My whole day has something like a 5 lb range. I think that is why I had freaked because my new evening weight is sometimes 130 or even 131. It's not a big deal but for me but it's more about comfort. If I feel bloated or backed up or heavy or clothes are too tight, then I am uncomfortable. But, it's not really a number. I feel so much better than I felt a few weeks ago. Same numbers.

purple sky
08-21-2012, 01:36 PM
Good Morning fellow maintainers!
I've been maintaining now for several weeks, have had some grains but definitely feel better without them as I have fibromyalgia. Now I guess I'll be eliminating tomatoes as my pain level is way up.
I run into this problem every summer as my husband grows lots and lots of them. So between the caprese salad for dinner, the tomatoes in my salads and the fresh tomato sauce my body is screaming STOP! I guess my six months on Phase 1 and extremely limiting amounts and now having a boatload in our garden I have just overdone it.
For sure, the alkaline diet of Phase 1 made me feel invincible. So now, without the safety net of Phase 1 and the ease of Ketosis, I'll eliminate this on my own. It's really only tomatoes, but I really feel like whining about this. Going to have to put my big girl (albeit smaller!) panties on and do what's best for my health!
Thanks for letting me vent; I know in the scheme of things this is only a pimple, but oh how I've been enjoying those tomatoes!

I wonder if there is a way to reduce the acidity in tomatoes.

I also wonder if it is the summer. My joints are achy but I don't want to put down my coffee.

MaMaZu
08-21-2012, 02:36 PM
I wonder if there is a way to reduce the acidity in tomatoes.

I also wonder if it is the summer. My joints are achy but I don't want to put down my coffee.

Coffee will NOT be put down here! Having a few slices of tomato weekly per Phase 1 didn't bother me. This happens every summer, I overload and try so hard to ignore the connection but can't!
Enough of my whining, I could have a REAL problem!

Determinedat47
08-21-2012, 04:30 PM
Hi everyone- been a while. I am up and am working on it. Summer has been fun but I do not love the weight I am at.

Maile
08-21-2012, 08:55 PM
[QUOTE=2RIDEROLLERCOAST;4443073]Good morning all,
Just got back from my run. I decided I should try to run 5 k before I HAVE to run in the 5KM race next week.


2Ride..That was too scary..losing dogs at various times Congratulations on making the 5K run. What a day!

:)

capricious
08-21-2012, 09:13 PM
Ishbel- Your list of things learnt so far in maintenance was so thoughtful... thank you for sharing... it really does help knowing what works/ doesn't work for others as it can shed light on my own process ... Tomorrow is the big day, eh??? Have fun!!!
Can't really weigh in too much on the weight fluctuation. I never weighed myself the day after a free day (way too scary for me) and the rest of the week tried to keep it in a 3 pound window. I had a 'scary number'- roughly 5 above where I liked to be that would require an immediate Phase 1 day if it showed up... but it was fairly rare... I maybe should have picked a 'floor' number because my window dropped by 3 pounds twice... Perhaps an indication that I wasn't eating enough? :p Then inched my way back up to my ceiling number and surpassed it when I wasn't near a scale and kept going. Then went back. Then kept going. Then went back. Then kept going. Currently in the process of going back again. Lesson learnt. I need a scale. Wherever I go, whatever I do.
Paint Lady- I feel exactly as you do... summer was by far the most challenging time to maintain and adhere as strictly to the program as I should... I tried to keep it pretty reasonable but it was definitely not anywhere close to where it should be. Ahh, well, clobbering it with a reboot does indeed work :)
Patns- I agree with the importance of keeping protein up... it's amazing how it can affect weight and degree of hunger...
PurpleSky- it truly is a time of whatever works... happy to hear that you've found a medium that is working for you... and so true about the disappointing treats- it's like spending a lot of money thinking you're getting a great product only to have it break the first day you have it...
Novoscents- Yay!!!! Thank you for agreeing to participate in a challenge! I found them to be quite helpful with establishing good habits in maintenance when we were doing them last year... And it seems that reinforcing those good habits thru keeping up the challenges is also a good plan...
MamaZu- sorry to hear about the nasty reaction to the tomatoes... it really is too bad when they are in such abundance for you... do you can them at all?
Determined!!- You're back too!! Right on! Rebooting as well from the sounds of it? Yep, when summer is fun fall has to be focused ;) Right there with you...

I had a Phase 2 day today... back to Phase 1 tomorrow... sixes are fitting nicely but still have muffin top in the fours :o Going to try reintroducing more strenuous exercise come Phase 2 (next week)... love the feeling of 'lightness' in Phase 1 but not the lack of energy...

Maile
08-21-2012, 09:16 PM
[QUOTE=2RIDEROLLERCOAST;4443073]Good morning all,
Just got back from my run. I decided I should try to run 5 k before I HAVE to run in the 5KM race next week.


2Ride..That was too scary..losing dogs at various times Congratulations on making the 5K run. What a day!

:)

Determined: Since you are up early and working on it..I hope you have good day. I also wake up early also thinking of things I need to do.


Ishbel:My 3 pound range is my morning daily weight. I adjust my eating depending on what I weigh. This is not the norm here..but it works for me.
Your trip is tomorrow. Have a great time.

Purple Sky and New Englander: It is funny that you mention Taco Bell. I drove my son through a drive through and found myself wanting a cheesey bean burrito grilled. Did not have it but really thought about it.

Mamazu: it is so hard to give up something that is healthy and yummy like summer tomatoes..but you seemed to have observed a reaction to them.

Cap: Living thin in a fat world was excellent. I like that . Maintenance is not easy in this world. Plus your comment about looking normal and being expected to eat "normal" ie high carb and sugar..is so true. You are right..maintaining thiness after being fat..is very different from someone who has been thin all of their lives. although, many of the always thin people I know do monitor their weight closely...but I think they do not have the reservoir of deep emotional fears that we have dealt with.

So good news at work.. No one is commenting on my weight and giving me advice. Can they really be used to me?

Here is my thought for the day.

" My stomach is full, but my mind is not. My stomach is full, but my mind is hungry." Stop, stop and listen to that stomach.
I found myself wanting to eat more of a dish..and that is when I told myself that I was full..now just get the mind to cooperate.

MaMaZu
08-21-2012, 11:01 PM
Thanks for e acknowledgement ladies. Amazing after only one day off of tomatoes I already feel incredibly better! I consciously ate very low acid veggies today, what a difference!
And yes, Cap, I will be freezing some sauce for down the road...

darbs7
08-22-2012, 06:05 AM
Hi everyone- been a while. I am up and am working on it. Summer has been fun but I do not love the weight I am at.

Yup summer got 15 from me too...especially after maintaining for a full year...I am so mad at myself....but I still have 3 more events to attend and then it is full phase one from Labor Day to Columbus Day.