Ideal Protein Diet - Cabbage




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kmc1021
05-01-2012, 10:17 PM
Can we have any type of cabbage? Like the regular green head of cabbage?


JoesHotWife
05-01-2012, 10:24 PM
Yes, you sure can. I use a cup of angel hair (fine shred) along with a cup of chopped celery in my salad and treat that as my meal. Then I mix up something sweet and treat that as dessert.

kmc1021
05-02-2012, 06:28 AM
Thanks!


audgirl78
05-02-2012, 07:07 AM
Yes, you sure can. I use a cup of angel hair (fine shred) along with a cup of chopped celery in my salad and treat that as my meal. Then I mix up something sweet and treat that as dessert.


Can you elaborate on what you mean by mixing up sweet? I have been doing IP for months and I can't find that certain something that satisfies my sweet tooth. I keep looking as I still have16 more pounds which at my rate will be another month...

Thanks! :)

MustangMolly
05-02-2012, 09:00 AM
Yes, you sure can. I use a cup of angel hair (fine shred) along with a cup of chopped celery in my salad and treat that as my meal. Then I mix up something sweet and treat that as dessert.

I love the angel hair cabbage and use it often. I sautee it with my olive oil and red pepper flakes, I use it in the big mac bowl or in my salad. Love love love!

m3foster
05-02-2012, 10:24 AM
Never heard of angel hair cabbage but I love cabbage! How is it packaged? Is it a head like regular green cabbage or is it bagged? Thanks!!! I am just starting round 2! I started in January, got to 30 lbs lost and phased off to take a little break. Was in maintenance for about 5 weeks which worked surprisingly well as I was able to keep my weight off within 3-5 lbs. Now I'm ready to lose that last 20!

MustangMolly
05-02-2012, 10:26 AM
Never heard of angel hair cabbage but I love cabbage! How is it packaged? Is it a head like regular green cabbage or is it bagged? Thanks!!! I am just starting round 2! I started in January, got to 30 lbs lost and phased off to take a little break. Was in maintenance for about 5 weeks which worked surprisingly well as I was able to keep my weight off within 3-5 lbs. Now I'm ready to lose that last 20!

I get mine at Walmart. It is in a bag by the bagged lettuces and salads. That's great to hear that you were able to keep off the weight while in maintenance. I understand that it is normal to gain around 5 pounds after phasing off due to your glycogen stores rebuilding.

YankeeLady57
05-02-2012, 01:39 PM
Wow that sounds great. I will try that. I like roasted cabbage -- roasted anything, actually (except onions! they'll have to wait!) But the idea of sauteeing angel hair cabbage with pepper flakes sets my mouth watering...

JoesHotWife
05-02-2012, 02:58 PM
Can you elaborate on what you mean by mixing up sweet? I have been doing IP for months and I can't find that certain something that satisfies my sweet tooth. I keep looking as I still have16 more pounds which at my rate will be another month...

Thanks! :)

I usually mix up a chocolate drink, however, before I add the packet to the water, I add 10 drops of liquid stevia (has fewer carbs than the powdered version)(DO NOT add the liquid stevia after the powder, nasty globs). I mix it in a mason jar with the mixing ball, then I let it sit (without removing the lid & without shaking it again) while I eat my salad. It kinda foams and becomes a mousse which I eat with a spoon. Then I drink the rest. Very cold water is a must. Love it this way! I also like the wildberry yogurt mixed a little thick in a bowl and eat it like a cold soup, again letting it sit while I have my salad.

MustangMolly
05-02-2012, 03:02 PM
Can you elaborate on what you mean by mixing up sweet? I have been doing IP for months and I can't find that certain something that satisfies my sweet tooth. I keep looking as I still have16 more pounds which at my rate will be another month...

Thanks! :)

Have you tried making the "baked apples" using zucchini? They are yummy.

IP “apples”

1 large zucchini
1/4 cup lemon juice
1 pinch salt
2 packets sweetener (like Truvia or Splenda)
1 tsp or more Apple Pie Spice (You can also make your own with recipe below)
1 tsp vanilla or 1 TB DaVinci/Torani Sugar-Free Vanilla Syrup

for Tart:
Make IP Oatmeal according to directions (Can use a bit less water)

Directions:

1. Cut zucchini into circular disks, then cut in half to make apple slices
2. Toss togetherzucchini, lemon juice and salt. Place mixture into frying pan and cook until tender-crisp.

Note: If you are concerned about using so much lemon juice, you can cut it to 2TB. It will still taste great, but won't have a "syrupy" texture. Just make sure not to dry out when baking.
3. Midway through cooking the zucchini, add in the spices, sweetener, and vanilla. I use more than 1 tsp of the spice because I like it strong.
4. If making just the apples, lightly spray a glass pie pan with cooking spray or "I Cant Believe Its Not Butter" spray. Lay down the zucchini pies like a pie. Drizzle over the top any extra lemon juice.
5. Bake in oven at 400 degrees F (205 degrees C) for 15-30 minutes until done. (taste at 15 min. Less time is crisp apple. More time is soft apple)

Note that the lemon juice can be quite strong. You can add a bit more sweetener to cut the sour. I use the Sugar-Free Vanilla syrup to raise the sweetness without the risk of too much of the sweetener packets. Also good with Sugar-Free Toasted Marshmallow.

If you are making the tart, make the IP Oatmeal according to directions (maybe use a bit less water) and spoon into the glass pie pan with non-stick spray. Layer "apples" on top. Bake according to directions.

The taste of the tart is quite good, but not quite what I expected and I dont like using a restricted product (oatmeal) for this when the regular baked apples by themselves are so good.

Ei8ht
05-03-2012, 10:37 AM
Can we have any type of cabbage? Like the regular green head of cabbage?

I was pretty excited for cabbage too - I've been using it all week in my salads for a crunchy texture BUT after my 1st WI yesterday, my coach gave me a revised Phase I instruction sheet (updated in March 2102) which says Green Cabbage is not allowed - only Red Cabbage, Pak Choi + Bok Choy

That said, according to Dr. Chanh's online book (which is stitched with inconsistencies on allowable foods and amounts) he states the following:

All very low-glycemic index vegetables, or almost all vegetables, are allowed on the protein diet:

Vegetables to Enjoy:
asparagus, Swiss chard, celery, chicory, Chinese cabbage, cucumber, zucchini, watercress, endive, spinach, fennel, lettuce, mache (lamb’s lettuce), sorrel, bell peppers, radishes.

Other vegetables contain slightly more carbohydrates, but are still allowed (some nutritionists disallow them; however, if you don’t
overdo it, these vegetables will not keep you from losing weight).

Vegetables to Enjoy in Moderation:
eggplant, broccoli,fresh button mushrooms, cabbage, sauerkraut,cauliflower, red cabbage, green beans, turnips,dandelion, leeks, soy sprouts, tomatoes.

Ei8ht
05-03-2012, 10:42 AM
Ugh. Also, I found out that not all Bell Peppers are allowed as previously stated.. and to add insult to injury, you can only consume Green Bell Peppers cooked!

:mad:

The other colours can be consumed 'on occasion' and also COOKED-ONLY!!

balls.

ProteinGal
05-03-2012, 10:51 AM
Ugh. Also, I found out that not all Bell Peppers are allowed as previously stated.. and to add insult to injury, you can only consume Green Bell Peppers cooked!

:mad:

The other colours can be consumed 'on occasion' and also COOKED-ONLY!!

balls.

I didn't know that, I wonder why?

evepet
05-03-2012, 11:33 AM
There were several posts in the recent past about the 'pepper situation'. ie can we eat all colours as unrestricted - or only green? The outcome was that it was reported as now being OK to eat all coloured peppers as unrestricted. I particularly noticed, because this topic has appeared before and I'd specifically stayed away from all but green peppers, but after seeing those posts have started included the red and yellow ones more consistently. Now I'm totally confused again about peppers. :dizzy:

Ei8ht
05-03-2012, 12:06 PM
Hi Evepet!
you and are IP twins! We're both from Ontario, same height and want to go down to the same weight! Love-it :]

I hear you on the confusion bit - I'm an innate researcher and can't stand inconsistencies lol
To be honest, my coach told me not to worry about all of that and to just be reasonable. Cabbage and Bell Peppers are one of the tastier vegetables in terms of sweetness and texture, in my opinion, and I'm not giving them up damnit!

mylastdiet
05-03-2012, 12:16 PM
I was pretty excited for cabbage too - I've been using it all week in my salads for a crunchy texture BUT after my 1st WI yesterday, my coach gave me a revised Phase I instruction sheet (updated in March 2102) which says Green Cabbage is not allowed - only Red Cabbage, Pak Choi + Bok Choy

That said, according to Dr. Chanh's online book (which is stitched with inconsistencies on allowable foods and amounts) he states the following:

All very low-glycemic index vegetables, or almost all vegetables, are allowed on the protein diet:

Vegetables to Enjoy:
asparagus, Swiss chard, celery, chicory, Chinese cabbage, cucumber, zucchini, watercress, endive, spinach, fennel, lettuce, mache (lamb’s lettuce), sorrel, bell peppers, radishes.

Other vegetables contain slightly more carbohydrates, but are still allowed (some nutritionists disallow them; however, if you don’t
overdo it, these vegetables will not keep you from losing weight).

Vegetables to Enjoy in Moderation:
eggplant, broccoli,fresh button mushrooms, cabbage, sauerkraut,cauliflower, red cabbage, green beans, turnips,dandelion, leeks, soy sprouts, tomatoes.

Okay - this has me steamed :mad: I just joined 3 weeks ago, so you would think I was given the most current info. I specifically asked my coach about cabbage, and he said the "greener, the better." When I saw your post, I pulled out my sheet and in small-small print in the bottom right hand corner, it says "05/24/11"!!! I am beginning to wonder if I am going to the right place!! The coach is nice and seemed well informed, but over the three weeks I have come to realize that things are "lacking" (can't think of a better term right now). After reading these boards, I see that things are too laid back at my location.

I have never been measured, other than my initial consult/startup. The scale they use is just a weight scale. Nothing that shows percentage body fat, water, etc., etc. When I went in Tuesday for WI #3, there were 4 other people there waiting and things seemed very rushed and impersonal. I was helped by his assistant, who seemed over-worked and frustrated with the amount of people who had shown up at once (I am usually the only one there at the time I go). I brought in a list of what I wanted, and they were out of all of it so I had to shop in their cabinets. I guess I was taking longer than the assistant had planned, because she told me that "using the order sheets we give you really helps speed things up." UMMM, Hello?? I used the sheet, but you were out of everything I wanted.

As for as the cabbage, I am not sure what to do now. I have eaten it at least 2-3 times per week over the last 3 weeks, and I have lost 16 pounds. I hardly think it is slowing things down :?: On the weekends, I chop up a head of cabbage, put it in a big pot with 2 cups of water mixed with a packet of ham-flavored bullion (sp?). It's my favorite veggie to have.
:?:

Andie0606
05-03-2012, 02:41 PM
Where is the rhubarb? I don't see it on your master list!

Ei8ht
05-03-2012, 03:35 PM
Mylastdiet:
unfortunately I can not speak to the variation of client service among IP coaches. I will certainly ask my own coach what kind of training was required (mandatory) upon purchasing part of the IP franchise and find out how coaches remain current (does the head office send out communiqués for example, do they perform audits, are refresher courses available etc..) These, to me, are all important questions as I entrust my health (body & mind) in this person.

With respect to types of service, I've already noticed discrepancies throughout this forum. My only recommendation before looking at switching your coach, is to discuss this issue with him/her. For instance, your hydration level should be monitored so that you can get a somewhat accurate account of your body fat percentage. (This is not measured with a scale but with some type of electrode conduit.)

Also, you should request appropriate time allocated to you during your meeting - you are THE CLIENT, a paying client and as such, you are entitled to face time to discuss a variety of issues, either generally or specifically.

I'm sorry that they're treating you like cattle - it makes me mad!

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Andie0606:

What I copied and pasted was straight from IP's founder, Dr. Chanh's online book (link below). The list of produce are only examples I imagine... http://www.trantiendiet.com/site/IMG/pdflivre_Dr_Tran.pdf

It's a very good read, and simply written as well. It's clear, however, that the IP program has deviated somewhat from his instructions - one blatant variant for example relates to "unlimited vegetables" which, as you know is not the case with Phase 1, presumably to drastically reduce our carb intake.

Anyway - as long we all understand the body's processing mechanism and the platform of the IP program everything is Bon. :P

mylastdiet
05-03-2012, 05:37 PM
So, now I'm really confused. You stated above that your coach gave you tht list effectiveMarch, 2012. Did you? Or did you cut and paste it from Dr. Tran's site??

TeelaJade
05-03-2012, 06:00 PM
Does anyone have any ideas on how to make the attached link using Medifast criteria? It looks absolutely delicious!!

http://www.food.com/recipe/grilled-cabbage-41419

Ei8ht
05-03-2012, 08:10 PM
So, now I'm really confused. You stated above that your coach gave you tht list effectiveMarch, 2012. Did you? Or did you cut and paste it from Dr. Tran's site??

I don't have the electronic file for the revised Phase I protocol handout (dated March 20, 2012) but some differences include:
Reaching 100% of your goal weight in Phase 1
Meat is now 8oz

I simply quoted Dr. Chanh's book to address the cabbage question of this thread (Chinese cabbage over green cabbage).

I guess I also wanted to share my concern (frustration?) regarding the many discrepancies I've found on protocol, online, in this forum, and especially when from the Program's Founder.. sorry for the confusion :/

Jonsgurl0531
05-03-2012, 08:19 PM
WOW Broccoli and Cabbage were practically the only veggies I ate at dinner my first go round on IP.

I actually just started up again and trying to get down to 125. I wonder if I should take these off my menu :(..