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Sccrkeepr
04-27-2012, 07:19 PM
I cheated on my birthday, i wont get into the details, but it re energized me. I also lost 6 lbs this week, which is my biggest loss yet. Not patting myself on the back here and not suggesting others do it, but now i feel like i can go another 10 weeks.


purple sky
04-27-2012, 08:50 PM
Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

Amy23
04-27-2012, 10:12 PM
I did it a couple of days ago. I went to see The Avengers and ate an ice cream, some lollies and a small bag of Twisties. It was rocking fun while it lasted but the next morning I was violently ill, which I didn't expect. These days, every time I cheat it's either a migraine or vomiting and diarrhea.

That said, I'm down a couple of pounds. The cheat day does work!


New Englander
04-27-2012, 10:24 PM
Geez...I wouldn't be patting myself on the back either or suggesting others to do it. You just started March 2012...time shall tell...For your sake don't cheat again...

YankeeLady57
04-28-2012, 06:58 AM
I've had that experience -- after a plateau of 2 or three days, a tiny cheat -- a pinch of dried cranberries or some glazed pecans on a salad, or a few Cheez-its, or a few spoonfuls of cooked carrots -- and I get a noticeable and steady drop over the next two or three days. I used to think it was coincidence and I would have dropped any way, maybe more, but I tried experimenting and it seems like I can interrupt a plateau whenever I want this way. Has anybody else had this? I was thinking maybe it is a way to jolt my metabolism out of "starvation mode" but I can't say feel starving at all. One thing I like about ip is that I have felt so good 90% of the time -- not starving at all.

Cadu
04-28-2012, 07:10 AM
I dont know, it sounds like a slippery slope to me. I just may not be able to get back on track after going hog wild one day. And also there is a method to this madness, it is about phasing off the right way and re awakening the pancreas. It's not just getting thin, it is about being healthy and STAYING thin. In order to stay thin we have to learn new habits and binging is an old bad habit that I am trying to get rid of.

It may just be me but the thought of having my body work the correct way for once in my life sounds very good.

usmcvet
04-28-2012, 08:02 AM
I feel like an alcoholic. I think there are some foods I will stay away from for life. Fast food is one. I also don't have a desire for it right now.m when I eat extra I eat an extra IP snack. I wanted to last night after an argument but read a few pages in my book instead. It worked. Good luck everyone. Have a good day.

Trinique125
04-28-2012, 08:18 AM
Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

I'm with you:D

LizRR
04-28-2012, 09:13 AM
I'm with you Cadu and usmcvet. If I start, not sure I could stop - that is my choice though, everyone makes their own. Reminds me of when I was expecting my son, everyone kept pushing me to have some wine since "its okay to have a small glass" - I had none because I know myself, if I have a little I want A LOT.

And on that note, just tried my 1st restricted choco soypuffs.....this feels like a BIG CHEAT! Soooooo delicious!

Tmg1989
04-28-2012, 09:22 AM
I dont know, it sounds like a slippery slope to me. I just may not be able to get back on track after going hog wild one day. And also there is a method to this madness, it is about phasing off the right way and re awakening the pancreas. It's not just getting thin, it is about being healthy and STAYING thin. In order to stay thin we have to learn new habits and binging is an old bad habit that I am trying to get rid of.

It may just be me but the thought of having my body work the correct way for once in my life sounds very good.

DITTO!! Really folks. Sound like an addict. Like you just HAD to cheat. Self control in all aspects of life is important! Certainly we all make our own choices but from an ego and self esteem it is better to know you can modify old behaviors! We mostly all got here for being out of balance and we didnt use restraint. I agree with Cadu...use this time to get rid of these behaviors not indulge them. Of course just my opinion...

swimcoachmomma
04-28-2012, 01:08 PM
I agree with cadu, vet and the others. Feels like "gaming the system" to me. Like many of us used to take a laxative or a water pill in prep for a wt watchers weigh in. Most of us know how to get that extra half pound off when we need it. I agree with the pancreas retraining thing. I phased off for surgery recently and actually lost 8 pounds in the process, having a huge phase 3breakfast each day for a month. Now back to p1 to finish up.

For me it is all about honesty and accountability. I am the only one who can decide what goes in my mouth and I am the only one responsible for the consequences of those choices.

Billster
04-28-2012, 02:00 PM
I cheated once, it was moving day it started snowing and everything and then some went wrong, my inlaws did not help the situation, I didn't enjoy my cheat and was so sick for days after, it was like starting IP all over again, it wasn't worth it for me. And I think now if I was to cheat I'll be spending at least another 90$ the money part to this diet keeps me going since I swear IP makes me broke lol

geoffiegirl
04-28-2012, 02:05 PM
Hey Girls! Love hearing your thoughts on Ideal Protein and all! I am on my week 3 right now and have my 3rd weigh in Monday! So far I'm down 10.4 lbs and still feeling great! I think it is a trial and error to what you like and dislike for the IP foods! So far my faves are the herb & cheese omelet, white cheddar puffs, chocolate drink, and wildberry smoothie. It took awhile to like the crunchy cereal, but it is ok. It was a rough start, but after day 4 I felt totally revived! Good luck to all of you!!! :)

evepet
04-28-2012, 03:26 PM
And also there is a method to this madness, it is about phasing off the right way and re awakening the pancreas. It's not just getting thin, it is about being healthy and STAYING thin. In order to stay thin we have to learn new habits and binging is an old bad habit that I am trying to get rid of.

It may just be me but the thought of having my body work the correct way for once in my life sounds very good.

We mostly all got here for being out of balance and we didnt use restraint. I agree with Cadu...use this time to get rid of these behaviors not indulge them.

If I start, not sure I could stop - that is my choice though, everyone makes their own.

I think there are some foods I will stay away from for life. Fast food is one. I also don't have a desire for it right now. When I eat extra I eat an extra IP snack.


Absolutely. Totally agree with all of the above comments, describes my feelings to a 'T'. Allowing anything 'off program' would be a veery slippery slope for me... I've proved that in the past... just opens the door to additional cheats, and then I'm eventually totally off the diet wagon. That mentality has gotten me to where I am today. No more. And a 'splurge' for me, until I get to goal, will be an extra 'helping' of an acceptable IP alternative product. I'm on alternatives, and if I were on 'IP proper' the cost alone would keep me strict. But as it is, the knowledge that a 'cheat' would hamper the long-term benefits to my pancreas and improved metabolism is enough to keep me 'honest'. I bumped the thread about 'The High Cost of Cheating' yesterday, but it's already disappeared. It is well worth a read - and a re-read.

purple sky
04-28-2012, 04:54 PM
Everyone is different and it's really important to know what is right for you. I had an accidental cheat in P1. I was consuming a product I thought had no sugar in it and then after a few days I read the label and was so miffed. But, it was also funny because I swear I read the label 10 times. You know that brain fog we get on this diet. I laughed it off but I think that week's weight loss was really low and the following week was better. I have no way of knowing whether or not I was knocked out of ketosis.

That said, things happen and the mental self-torture we inflict on ourselves over the rigidity in this diet is simply not worth it. I do believe some can cheat all through this diet and do fine. They will still lose weight but I believe most of us can't. I think you can start to feel so wound up, so controlled on this diet that a release, a stray, the big bad cheat, might help to get you to chill and move on. That or it's the end. You threw away all your hard work and money and you will feel bad and have to start over.

I hate the word cheat. I have hated every since I first heard it associated with this diet.

But, I will say this, when I accidentally slipped I felt good. I had convinced myself that this product was great for me and each time i had it I felt good. I did not realize it was because it had sugar in it. That's what made me feel good. My body wanted it and it was happy. As soon as I realized the issue, I went back to things are they were and so did my body and mood.

Based on me and my body, I would not have knowingly cheated on this diet during P1. I don't think I would have been able to handle it but having accidentally done it, it got me thinking. There's something to be said about making your body happy and feeling food (nice typo) again. Something I am discovering on P3.

Just be realistic with yourself and your boundaries. know what you can and can't do. Some people need to see losses every single week on the scale and can't handle it otherwise. Some have to get down to a certain number or they are not done. There are all these different things we do with our thoughts to make ourselves crazy. Not worth it.

Decide what you can commit to realistically and potentially successfully and do it. When you ca'tn do it anymore or you don't want to, consider yourself done or almost done and try to start phasing down. There's no reason to mentally torture ourselves like we do and I have seen it time and time and time again on the boards. I do it and I make myself crazy.

You do the best you can with what's you've got. Eventually, you will be off this diet and you will have to make decisions for yourself. You will have to make the best ones that work for you personally.

...stepping off soapbox. :soap:

Survalia
04-28-2012, 05:03 PM
Just be realistic with yourself and your boundaries. know what you can and can't do. Some people need to see losses every single week on the scale and can't handle it otherwise. Some have to get down to a certain number or they are not done. There are all these different things we do with our thoughts to make ourselves crazy. Not worth it.

Decide what you can commit to realistically and potentially successfully and do it. When you ca'tn do it anymore or you don't want to, consider yourself done or almost done and try to start phasing down. There's no reason to mentally torture ourselves like we do and I have seen it time and time and time again on the boards. I do it and I make myself crazy.

You do the best you can with what's you've got. Eventually, you will be off this diet and you will have to make decisions for yourself. You will have to make the best ones that work for you personally.

...stepping off soapbox. :soap:

:cp::cp::cp::cp::cp:

SarahB4
04-28-2012, 05:18 PM
I am lurker here.. have never posted but read all through my (100% OP) Ideal Pro journey. Lost 25 pounds in 10 weeks and have now started maintenance. Totally believe in the program. That being said, I just want to comment on Purple Sky's post. I thought she was right on in her thoughts that everyone is different and although this is a great program, it isn't always one size fits all(pardon the pun!) It is so easy to get so dogmatic about this program, I know that for me I had to be in order to get the weight off. But for others, an occasional cheat may be what keeps them on plan the other 95% of the time. This is such a supportive forum; I just hate to see too much judgement. I believe that my path was right for me but I also think I have no idea what I will do when I finally have my cheat day now that I am in maintenance. (10 days in and I am still too afraid). The journey continues for all of us! Thanks Purple Sky for such an insightful post!

CassiR
04-28-2012, 06:10 PM
Purple hit the nail on the head.
I will admit I am one of the few that has cheated and gone right back on plan 100%. I had a planned cheat day and enjoyed it.. it felt like I was going crazy with cravings before that anyways. The next day I went STRAIGHT back on program and felt great about it. It was NOT hard to stay on program after that and I felt like I got it out of my system. I still feel like I have control. Even before my planned cheat day, I stayed on program for many events including my birthday.

Not everyone needs to stay on program for the whole duration of their weight loss to be successful on the program and to continue to keep the weight off after.

If you've stayed on program your entire journey, great. If you've cheated and got back on the program, great. The most important thing is that we are all working on ourselves and successfully losing weight and creating a better life for ourselves.

2Poles1Girl
04-28-2012, 06:14 PM
II just want to comment on Purple Sky's post. I thought she was right on in her thoughts that everyone is different and although this is a great program, it isn't always one size fits all(pardon the pun!)

Yea, I lean toward this way of thinking also. It is a very regimented protocol, one with scientific reason for those rigid guidelines, yet we will all need to figure out our own way to manage. We also get to own any consequences for steering outside the "rules". I had two planned binges during Phase 1. In hindsight, I estimate that cost me around $200 and an additional month to achieve the weight loss.

I have no idea what I will do when I finally have my cheat day now that I am in maintenance. (10 days in and I am still too afraid).

I've been pondering this one too. Not sure yet, but I think when I get there, I'm going to start off small...sort of dip my toe in the water. I'll have one or two "treat" items just to introduce it to my system. If I do it like this, I won't be completely gobsmacked when I indulge in that big daddy on a fun day. That said, there are some foods that are off the list for good (God willing) because it they're not just a slippery slope but a landslide in the waiting.

Sccrkeepr
04-28-2012, 06:59 PM
New englander, you are very judgemental. I certainly wasnt patting myself on the back. This was a planned cheat day, and to be honest...i loved every minute of it. I dont have a problem with over eating, and i was only 45 lbs over weight to start the program and that was mostly from pregnancy. I've stayed on program mostly, and have lost 30 since Feb 8th. My theory on the cheating is that it jump starts your metabolism...in fact when we did my body fat % and my lean % i saw the biggest jumps after the cheat day. I lost 4% of body fat and gained 1% lean tissue and It only took me 1 1/2 days to get back into ketosis. So, maybe thats how my body works.
I didnt come on here to be judged or to brag or to tell others what to do. I actually started this thread as a motivator for people who may have fallen off the wagon so to speak.
I think one of the key fundamentals of this program is to teach us how to eat again, and in real life, you're going to have days where you have cake. But then you have to know how to recover from that and i think i've figured that out. I know now that i can eat healthy but when i dont, i know that i can quickly recover and my body will be just fine.

shiipa
04-28-2012, 07:58 PM
I cheated on my birthday, i wont get into the details, but it re energized me. I also lost 6 lbs this week, which is my biggest loss yet. Not patting myself on the back here and not suggesting others do it, but now i feel like i can go another 10 weeks.

I did the same thing and tomorrow I'll be back on plan. I did find that most of what I wanted to eat didn't taste nearly as good as I remembered, though.

Samba
04-28-2012, 08:45 PM
The path takes what it takes, I am sure. Everyone has an individual journey. A slip is not the end of a diet or weight loss. Fall down seven times, get up eight. Generally, I don"t think there is a cheat or slip that is not planned in some way.

I am not about IP like it is religion. Some may be and that approach may of great help to them! It's all okay.

As for myself, there is no "cheat" I really look forward to. Most of it would be bad for me and I am done being bad to myself. I am taking such loving care of my pancreas for these months that there is no way I would shake that baby up with a sugar cheat! So, for me, it is not so much about what is written on a protocol sheet as it is what makes sense to me to do now that I know what I Know... thanks to the knowledge eye opener IP has been!

Andie0606
04-28-2012, 09:51 PM
My concern, Sccrkeepr, is with the title you selected for your thread. If you've done much reading in this forum, then you know that there are quite a few on here who struggle mightily to stay OP all of the time. They come here to find encouragement. I hope that reading your comments doesn't encourage any of them to give in to the cravings and end up quitting IP altogether. Personally, I am careful never to post anything that may discourage anyone or lead anyone off track. I save those comments for a PM with someone who I know won't take what I say to heart and end up blowing it because of me. I would feel awful if that happened.

Samba
04-28-2012, 10:11 PM
To be sure, IP is not about cheating! No one should think its a good idea to add it to the methodology.

Things can be done to shake things up and stimulate loss without any idea of cheating. I did that and lost 5lbs over a long weekend while I had plateaued. No cheating needed to make it either.

If you look at this as " you vs. IP" or feel good about cheating, that dynamic is something to look more deeply in to itself. It is a dichotomy that actually does not exist unless one sets it up that way in their thinking.

Kaypix
04-28-2012, 10:34 PM
"things happen and the mental self-torture we inflict on ourselves over the rigidity in this diet is simply not worth it...Just be realistic with yourself and your boundaries. know what you can and can't do. Some people need to see losses every single week on the scale and can't handle it otherwise. Some have to get down to a certain number or they are not done. There are all these different things we do with our thoughts to make ourselves crazy. Not worth it...
You do the best you can with what's you've got. Eventually, you will be off this diet and you will have to make decisions for yourself. You will have to make the best ones that work for you personally.

...stepping off soapbox. :soap:

You = HERO!!!! :queen::queen::queen:

Samba
04-28-2012, 10:50 PM
Of course, we will eventually be off the diet but being on it is not that much different is it? It is all a decision about how we are going to take care of ourselves and how we are going to eat no matter if on or off? The dialectic of thinking of the diet as restricting and then when it is gone there are not restrictions is something I don't understand?

I "cheated" most of my eating life even though there was not the IP protocol in my hand to pretend to rail against. It all has a price, whether on an identified program or not. "Cheating" got me to where I needed IP. I can not imagine cheating being part of the answer except that it occurs when there are things to be learned. Life is like that and we will repeat patterns until we find the way out of our personal traps and patterns.

CanadiAngie75
04-29-2012, 12:18 AM
Sccrkeepr- I have no problem with what you did or what you called your forum. I believe that is more realistic then remaining on plan. You say in the forum title that you cheated and feel good. I wish there was a better word than cheated, because a meal off plan may take one out of ketosis, but it isn't hard to stick yourself back in. There are MANY people who do struggle to stay on plan, and they need to know, if they make a choice to eat off plan, that they can jump right back on. It is realistic that in life off plan, we will be eating meals that will have carbs! That we can enjoy that meal and get back to the regular way we will eat day to day, people need to understand that THAT is doable! It isn't about willpower, I have incredible willpower, beyond incredible.. but my system does need that jolt every few weeks, as I plateau a lot!

Sccrkeepr
04-29-2012, 01:25 AM
Sccrkeepr- I have no problem with what you did or what you called your forum. I believe that is more realistic then remaining on plan. You say in the forum title that you cheated and feel good. I wish there was a better word than cheated, because a meal off plan may take one out of ketosis, but it isn't hard to stick yourself back in. There are MANY people who do struggle to stay on plan, and they need to know, if they make a choice to eat off plan, that they can jump right back on. It is realistic that in life off plan, we will be eating meals that will have carbs! That we can enjoy that meal and get back to the regular way we will eat day to day, people need to understand that THAT is doable! It isn't about willpower, I have incredible willpower, beyond incredible.. but my system does need that jolt every few weeks, as I plateau a lot!

:carrot: Thank you, well said! We are all adults here, im just telling people that eating in the real world includes sugar and carbs sometimes and when that happens, you can go right back to eating well. I want people to not punish themselves, that compounds the problem. And i agree, the word cheating makes me feel a little dirty.... lol, i ate off program and i enjoyed my meal and the next day i went right back to eating right.I think in my mind at least, this is what we are supposed to be learning....eating to live instead of living to eat. But, there are always exceptions!

Samba
04-29-2012, 01:48 AM
Yes, people have stepped outside the program and lived! Of course it is not the end of the world.

There just is not an IP plan that includes this as a part of the model. I don't know why that is? Some people determine to stick to the plan as written and prescribed for the reasons well spelled out by IP information and others do not.
I am not going off plan for my birthday, a holiday a celebration, a sadness, a vacay....those are not reasons for me to eat a certain food is the way I look at it.

I already been there done that for some 50 odd years and really I can't say I remember those "special day" mouthfuls. But, there is something I do well remember and it is the misery obesity.

Trinique125
04-29-2012, 10:57 AM
Purple hit the nail on the head.
I will admit I am one of the few that has cheated and gone right back on plan 100%. I had a planned cheat day and enjoyed it.. it felt like I was going crazy with cravings before that anyways. The next day I went STRAIGHT back on program and felt great about it. It was NOT hard to stay on program after that and I felt like I got it out of my system. I still feel like I have control. Even before my planned cheat day, I stayed on program for many events including my birthday.

Not everyone needs to stay on program for the whole duration of their weight loss to be successful on the program and to continue to keep the weight off after.

If you've stayed on program your entire journey, great. If you've cheated and got back on the program, great. The most important thing is that we are all working on ourselves and successfully losing weight and creating a better life for ourselves.

great, balanced posts. Thanks:hug:

SaraBean
04-29-2012, 03:37 PM
My concern, Sccrkeepr, is with the title you selected for your thread. If you've done much reading in this forum, then you know that there are quite a few on here who struggle mightily to stay OP all of the time. They come here to find encouragement. I hope that reading your comments doesn't encourage any of them to give in to the cravings and end up quitting IP altogether. Personally, I am careful never to post anything that may discourage anyone or lead anyone off track. I save those comments for a PM with someone who I know won't take what I say to heart and end up blowing it because of me. I would feel awful if that happened.


agreed....

Darralyn
04-29-2012, 04:04 PM
My concern, Sccrkeepr, is with the title you selected for your thread. If you've done much reading in this forum, then you know that there are quite a few on here who struggle mightily to stay OP all of the time. They come here to find encouragement. I hope that reading your comments doesn't encourage any of them to give in to the cravings and end up quitting IP altogether. Personally, I am careful never to post anything that may discourage anyone or lead anyone off track. I save those comments for a PM with someone who I know won't take what I say to heart and end up blowing it because of me. I would feel awful if that happened. I agree this is a place to keep us on track and encourage success.....

YankeeLady57
04-29-2012, 04:23 PM
It does seem that different folks require different things to stay on track. No surprise. Some of us need to feel that the rules are rigid for our own good and some of us need to know we will be forgiven by their metabolisms for slip ups.

patns
04-29-2012, 06:43 PM
It does seem that different folks require different things to stay on track. No surprise. Some of us need to feel that the rules are rigid for our own good and some of us need to know we will be forgiven by their metabolisms for slip ups.

True but some of us find out the hard way that our metabolisms are not very forgiving. I'd be in that group I know.

mom3girls63
04-29-2012, 07:52 PM
I'm with you Cadu and usmcvet. If I start, not sure I could stop - that is my choice though, everyone makes their own. Reminds me of when I was expecting my son, everyone kept pushing me to have some wine since "its okay to have a small glass" - I had none because I know myself, if I have a little I want A LOT.

And on that note, just tried my 1st restricted choco soypuffs.....this feels like a BIG CHEAT! Soooooo delicious!

Oh my gosh! Those choco soypuffs got me through my first week. DEEEE LICIOUS!

navydocmom
04-30-2012, 07:11 AM
My theory on the cheating is that it jump starts your metabolism...in fact when we did my body fat % and my lean % i saw the biggest jumps after the cheat day. I lost 4% of body fat and gained 1% lean tissue and It only took me 1 1/2 days to get back into ketosis. So, maybe thats how my body works.


I totally agree! I went off diet for two days (after a death in my family). At that point, I had been on IP for eight weeks. Before going off diet, I had small losses the previous weeks. After getting right back on IP after those two days, my weight loss was -5.6 lbs for the week . I also think that it jump started things for me.

It was easy for me to jump back on IP being 100% OP because I have seen incredible results and I have decided to keep at it until I reach my goal. If I see the slow weight loss again, I'll probably do the same thing.

Everyone is different, so what works for one, might not work for another....

Danif
04-30-2012, 07:22 AM
I cheated on my birthday, i wont get into the details, but it re energized me. I also lost 6 lbs this week, which is my biggest loss yet. Not patting myself on the back here and not suggesting others do it, but now i feel like i can go another 10 weeks.

Good for you! I cheated last night..had one 5 ounce glass of wine and was up a pound this morning!! I know it's not a real pound..but depressing!

Danif
04-30-2012, 07:33 AM
I did it a couple of days ago. I went to see The Avengers and ate an ice cream, some lollies and a small bag of Twisties. It was rocking fun while it lasted but the next morning I was violently ill, which I didn't expect. These days, every time I cheat it's either a migraine or vomiting and diarrhea.

That said, I'm down a couple of pounds. The cheat day does work!

Your scaring me!! I leave for Paris in a week and I do plan to go off plan for 5 days...because it's Paris and I have not been alone with my husband in 7 years or ever out of the country. Do you think I will get sick? Should I slowly introduce whole grain carbs a few days before the trip?

lila26
04-30-2012, 10:28 AM
By the title of this thread I honestly thought this was a troll. Assuming it's not at this point, after reading the entry...

sandralosingweight
04-30-2012, 12:03 PM
I want to say that I am upset that this thread was posted, since with my own experience, I know that cheating is not the way to go, believe me. And I am scared that some newbies would assume that it is ok to cheat on this diet and that it might even be a boost to their weight loss (which is wrong)

I know from my own experience that cheating on this diet put me way back and I regret each and every moment I did, I wish I could go back in time and undo it, but I can't and now that I can't, it got sooooooo hard for me to go back 100% like I used to be, I struggled like crazy to go back on this program just because I decided that I wanted to cheat for my Christmas break (which by the way continued until my Easter break plus some more), so I lost time and money and most of all I did not lose the weight I wanted to lose and now that I see my fellow Ipeeps who stuck with it and I see their numbers and mine, I really regret my acts.

So, please, do not consider cheating, you will only be cheating yourself.

Sincerely.

MustangMolly
04-30-2012, 12:48 PM
Your scaring me!! I leave for Paris in a week and I do plan to go off plan for 5 days...because it's Paris and I have not been alone with my husband in 7 years or ever out of the country. Do you think I will get sick? Should I slowly introduce whole grain carbs a few days before the trip?

Yes you should. I wish I had known about your trip sooner. I did a mini phase off thanks to Jennydoodle's post about her own experience. I did phase two for one week and then phase three for one week before my trip. I gained 6 pounds on the trip but then lost 7 when I got back on IP the very first week. Maybe you can tweek that and split up the time you have before you trip between phases 1 and 2.

sugerray50
04-30-2012, 03:04 PM
My coach had me have a cheat day - because I platued - but it did the opposite for me - was so hard for me to get back on track...that I ended up having more cheat days and just fell off the wagon completely.

I'm more of a rule follower - so as long as I'm on IP - I am strict with it - because I know I can't just have a cheat day to trick my body into losing more.

Having said that - this time around - I'm varying my meals (since I got into a soy patty and choc pudding rut - I think my body adapted to that and plateaued and wouldn't drop anymore).

evepet
04-30-2012, 04:03 PM
I totally agree! I went off diet for two days (after a death in my family). At that point, I had been on IP for eight weeks. Before going off diet, I had small losses the previous weeks. After getting right back on IP after those two days, my weight loss was -5.6 lbs for the week . I also think that it jump started things for me.

It was easy for me to jump back on IP being 100% OP because I have seen incredible results and I have decided to keep at it until I reach my goal. If I see the slow weight loss again, I'll probably do the same thing.

Everyone is different, so what works for one, might not work for another....

I can't help but wonder, if one could achieve the same end result by not going totally off program and risking a slip out of ketosis, but by upping the daily calories for a day or two through the addition of an additional 'plan approved' item ? For example, I have days where if I'm careful to choose lower-carb veggies and non-restricted items, I could add an additional alternate-product bar or package of soy nuts into my food intake, but stay under the 40 gms carb upper limit. Some of my alternate products have more fibre in them than the IP versions, so that also affects my daily net carb bottom line. It would be like adding a version of calorie shifting (within the range of approved carbs/fats/sugars, etc) into the daily food intake.

audgirl78
04-30-2012, 04:10 PM
I cheated on my birthday, i wont get into the details, but it re energized me. I also lost 6 lbs this week, which is my biggest loss yet. Not patting myself on the back here and not suggesting others do it, but now i feel like i can go another 10 weeks.

Not too long ago I did this myself and thought the same, but it was hard for me to stop cheating since I had such a good weigh in week. Stick to your guns and try no more cheating. It was hard for me to break the cycle. GOOD LUCK!:carrot:

purple sky
05-01-2012, 02:39 PM
I can't help but wonder, if one could achieve the same end result by not going totally off program and risking a slip out of ketosis, but by upping the daily calories for a day or two through the addition of an additional 'plan approved' item ? For example, I have days where if I'm careful to choose lower-carb veggies and non-restricted items, I could add an additional alternate-product bar or package of soy nuts into my food intake, but stay under the 40 gms carb upper limit. Some of my alternate products have more fibre in them than the IP versions, so that also affects my daily net carb bottom line. It would be like adding a version of calorie shifting (within the range of approved carbs/fats/sugars, etc) into the daily food intake.

I wonder also but again this is one of those areas where everyone is different and it's hard to say if a cheat day planned or unplanned is worth the risk. But, I have to wonder which is why I have been so fascinated reading this thread. It seems like there are some different leanings with IP. One is very strict, very hard core. Some cut out restricted. Some steam veggies and use only the required amt of oil. Some only eat chicken and fish. But, I have to admit that on the days I went above and beyond and ate extra or more fatty meat (steak/beef) adding extra oil to veggies and some days even two restricted the results were better on the scale. I did not make a habit of this is but it seems like jazzing a little on such a classical diet might help to stir the pot a little. It's certainly more enjoyable for the taste buds and can result in better bathroom time which is good on all fronts. It's not something I would do often and it usually was not planned. It just happened and I paid attn to the scale. It's also not something I would do regularly I just think that our bodies hold back because we are restricting it so much going fully classical. It's probably just trying to protect us. I feel like when we give it a little something extra, something that it wants, it's happy and feels safe and in turn allows us to lose weight again because we aren't doing anything crazy like starving ourselves. The tricky part in this is knowing the difference between what your body wants and what it needs. I don't think it ever needs cake or pizza or fries. I think that's what our minds want. So, it's a matter of figuring out need vs. want and learning to override what is not to our long term benefit. I think that is going to be the tricky part in maintaining. 20-something me had the metabolism to choose want over need. I don't think 40-something me has that luxury.

It's about making wise decisions, wise choices for ourselves. We really can't tell other people what to do because we are so fundamentally different. I love that people try to protect others from sliding down that slippery slope but you can't do it. You can't jump through the computer and knock those cookies off of anyone's table. We each have to learn our limits and based on what I have seen here some are classical and some like to jazz a bit.

Survalia
05-01-2012, 04:11 PM
The other thing that was mentioned, and which I applauded, was that there are folks who get so obsessed and freak out if they forget to pick the carrot shreds out of their bagged salad (EXAGGERATING HERE), then stress about if they will be "kicked out of ketosis". There is just no reason for anyone to be hard on themselves! There is a huge variance in what some coaches allow as compared to other coaches, so as far as I am concerned there IS NO SET IN STONE 100% OP, unless you are going completely by the sheet. If that is what your intention is, then don't pay any attention to the posts asking what other people's coaches will allow, or what works for them. You might just hear something that you are not comfortable with. Does that make sense??? The other point was, I believe, is that I don't believe anyone has intentionally posted that others SHOULD cheat, for any reason. In fact, there have been many, many posts from people who have, and have regretted it! But the fact remains that there are a few who have slipped; have learned something valuable about how their body reacts, and have incorporated that knowledge into their life-long eating plan. Should those people not post about what they have learned? (I guess this is kind of what purple just said, but more eloquently than me!)

Sccrkeepr
05-01-2012, 11:16 PM
The other thing that was mentioned, and which I applauded, was that there are folks who get so obsessed and freak out if they forget to pick the carrot shreds out of their bagged salad (EXAGGERATING HERE), then stress about if they will be "kicked out of ketosis". There is just no reason for anyone to be hard on themselves! There is a huge variance in what some coaches allow as compared to other coaches, so as far as I am concerned there IS NO SET IN STONE 100% OP, unless you are going completely by the sheet. If that is what your intention is, then don't pay any attention to the posts asking what other people's coaches will allow, or what works for them. You might just hear something that you are not comfortable with. Does that make sense??? The other point was, I believe, is that I don't believe anyone has intentionally posted that others SHOULD cheat, for any reason. In fact, there have been many, many posts from people who have, and have regretted it! But the fact remains that there are a few who have slipped; have learned something valuable about how their body reacts, and have incorporated that knowledge into their life-long eating plan. Should those people not post about what they have learned? (I guess this is kind of what purple just said, but more eloquently than me!)

Very well said also!

Im so glad i started this thread, i love that there are soo many varying views. Again, i put this here, to let people know its ok if you didnt stay on program, it might even be helpful for your body, but that if you do get off program, you need to get right back on. Which is the way eating for life should work.....No need to get bashed over the head for eating off program, by yourself, or others....

Sccrkeepr
05-01-2012, 11:18 PM
Oh and P.S., i noticed that some of you have stated that you never go over the 40 carbs alotment. My clinic only allows for only 24 carbs per day, this would make you all cheaters... :-P J/k, but i think its kind of strange the varying amount of information we al recieve from state to state, clinic to clinic.

darbs7
05-02-2012, 06:26 AM
Oh and P.S., i noticed that some of you have stated that you never go over the 40 carbs alotment. My clinic only allows for only 24 carbs per day, this would make you all cheaters... :-P J/k, but i think its kind of strange the varying amount of information we al recieve from state to state, clinic to clinic.

I think that it is 40 total carbs and 25 net carbs (subtract off the fiber). But believe it or not...for some people it takes almost 100 carbs or more to get kicked out of ketosis (trust me...I have put this to the test).

Here is the thing...your post says it all...so those who don't like this...should read the thread. But trust me...maintenance is all about cheating and then jumping right back on...it is really something we must learn how to do properly....I was so freaky 100% for my first five months, but the last year and a half...my tune is very different. Learning how to eat for a lifetime is the tough part, we have to have those fun cheat nights and then wake up the next morning and be very focused and not let it continue.

I have a great 6 martini night at a wedding Saturday...and danced for 4 hours straight. I took a few bites of food not on protocol...not too bad...but woke up Sunday morning and went boot camp style.

Keep focused and your goal will be here before you know it.

sekc14
05-02-2012, 09:40 AM
There's some interesting information on this thread but, for the most part, I don't need information on how or why to cheat, lol! I can come up with all kinds of support for that in my own head. I read 3 fat chicks IP to get inspiration to stay OP and learn new, interesting ways to prepare foods that are within the protocol. I, unfortunately, am not 100% every day but I'm not proud of that. I wish I were 100% because that would ease my mind and remove all doubt. It's risky for me to cheat because that's how I got to 268 lbs. Many head games about eating high carb, nutritionally void foods were ruining my life and yet still couldn't STOP!! What I need is support for sticking with it.

BackOnADiet
08-26-2012, 08:09 PM
I just cheated and was feeling really bad, this thread helped me realize that it's OK to be human, make a slip and get back on. Thanks to the other "slippers" for making me feel like less of a failure.

Saradise
08-26-2012, 08:59 PM
I totally agree! I went off diet for two days (after a death in my family). At that point, I had been on IP for eight weeks. Before going off diet, I had small losses the previous weeks. After getting right back on IP after those two days, my weight loss was -5.6 lbs for the week . I also think that it jump started things for me.

It was easy for me to jump back on IP being 100% OP because I have seen incredible results and I have decided to keep at it until I reach my goal. If I see the slow weight loss again, I'll probably do the same thing.

Everyone is different, so what works for one, might not work for another....

I have been a dieter for many years and I definitely agree that sometimes a cheat does help jump start your system. I have seen it happen for me many times in the past. BUT, on the other hand, I don't think it's the right thing for every person. As navydocmom said above, everyone is different and what works for one might not work for another. I think that a "cheat day" will help break someone out of a plateau, but it should ONLY be considered if you are someone that can get right back OP the next day without problems. I've actually committed myself to 8 weeks OP and then I am doing a "cheat day" followed by another 8 weeks OP. I don't think Sccrkeepr was trying to encourage everyone to cheat...just sharing an opinion and an experience. And I definitely think there is truth behind what was shared. JMO.



Week 1 WI: -6.6
Week 2 WI: -2.4

newlady
08-26-2012, 09:21 PM
You look really great keep up the great job.

IP43
08-26-2012, 09:49 PM
I dont know...It's not just getting thin, it is about being healthy and STAYING thin. In order to stay thin we have to learn new habits and binging is an old bad habit that I am trying to get rid of.

It may just be me but the thought of having my body work the correct way for once in my life sounds very good.

YOUR PICS ARE INSPIRING!!! 7 more pounds to go?? You look GREAT!

nightprowler
08-27-2012, 02:21 AM
I'm glad there's a subject on going about this, I'm new to the program, just starting week 3 today, actually. It's been surprisingly very easy for me, although there has been a few slip ups with "Cheats", being 21 I find the dreaded alcohol and trying to be in control in social situations is probably the most difficult thing I've encountered so far.

That being said, the amount of guilt I have the next day is enough to make me get back on 100% the next week. But, as many have said whatever works for you works for you! I'm glad to have stumbled upon such a wonderful and supportive forum! It's been fantastic trying all of your brilliant recipes (and lurking quietly ;))

ashmeg07
08-27-2012, 11:13 AM
I can't understand why some people are being so judgmental. This is where we come for support and to encourage others, not to bash people!

First, I absolutely DESPISE the fact that going off plan is referred to as "cheating" by so many people. Aren't we doing this to make a lifestyle change? Three years from now when you're celebrating a birthday, anniversary, anything... if you have cake, are you going really be "cheating"??? Come on, get real. This is LIFE.

We're all here for the same reasons. To be healthier and to get support from others following the same protocol.

I had pizza a few weeks ago for dinner... because I WANTED it. Guess what... I lost 3.9 pounds that week! I've only gone "off plan" twice since I started and I'm losing every week. I can get right back on 100% the day after I've had a meal that wasn't 100%.

Again, this is LIFE... not a "diet", right? Aren't we supposed to be teaching ourselves to make better decisions, to pay attention to what we're putting into our bodies, so that once we reach goal we can continue to do the same without IP?

Live and let live. Don't be so judgmental. There's no place for it here.

Mom2Carter
08-27-2012, 12:29 PM
Just my 2 cents...I was one of the ones that was so afraid of any type of cheat or slip-up, mainly because my coach and some of the posts on this board scared me - I would pick the carrot shreds off my salad, I would go without dressing because the restaurant only had balsamic vinegar, etc. I went through a whole summer of sitting through weddings, work meetings and other social events sticking to 100% OP. And it was depressing. I saw how important food was in my life, and I realized that's what made social events fun to me - the food and the drinking. That was a huge realization for me. I realized that's how I got to be overweight, and began dealing with my own "demons" so to speak - trying to make things like that fun without the focus being on the food.

Fast forward a little bit to a few weeks ago - my husband and I have not been on vacation in a couple of years. We had our first baby 7 months ago, and had a chance to go out of town for the weekend - just the 2 of us. I planned to go off plan for that time - I didn't want to call it a cheat. It felt amazing! I really enjoyed myself, and my husband had more fun too. Come Monday morning, I get right back OP and haven't slipped since, not even tempted.

I guess the point of all this rambling is that it's possible to go off plan and get back on. It's about being happy and healthy. I know I will lose the rest of the weight, but I will also not deprive myself from having fun on special occasions. That's really the key, and to me, it's a look into maintenance - can you eat what you want, have fun, and then go back to eating healthy the next day? That's what the rest of our lives will look like, and for me I'm happy I got to practice that while in phase 1 and with the help of my coach.

GoalFor40
08-27-2012, 01:07 PM
As others have said, every person is different. Personally, my issue was not that I ate too much during special occasions- my issue was that I made every day a "special occasion." Friday night? It's the weekend, have to have pizza! Bad day? I deserve this bag of M&Ms. Mom is staying over for the weekend? Gotta make sticky buns for breakfast and make her feel welcome! My trouble was with the day-to-day, not the once-per-quarter.

I have two "off plan" occasions coming up. I know I am (probably) going to go off plan, and I know that I am going to go right back on the next day. These are actual special occasions coming up, and I am going to allow myself some latitude those days. I am not going to gorge or use it as an excuse to "catch up" on things I haven't had. I will attend the event, choose something to eat that I will enjoy, and not feel bad about it. If the things on offer allow me to stay close to plan, then even better. I will not have a bag of Skittles on the way there or the way home because it's "Cheat Day." In other words, my plan is to behave like all of the other people at the party, and not use the all-or-nothing approach that has always been my downfall.

Just my $.02

Porthardygurl
08-27-2012, 04:01 PM
Lets face it...realistically speaking...a cheat is NOT going to just make you gain several pounds of weight over night. It may make you gain water weight from introducing carbs..but like someone else said..this is real life..However..just because you do cheat"call it whatever you like" there is obviously a few things that happen right? You cant deny the fact that more then likely you will kick yourself out of ketosis..just like you cant deny the fact that it might be harder to get back OP and you cant deny the fact, that in the longterm..over a longer period, you might not lose as much weight as you possibly could have, if your interupting the ketosis process and calorie cycling like that...

Trust me.. im an ex cheater... I cheated 9 times on this diet and all 9 times i stopped the diet altogether and it was months before i started again...This is my 10th time and the first time i have not cheated...and i have had more success then i ever have..

I get the fact that real life happens and sometimes its appears more favorable to cheat, then to try and stay OP..

Okay whats my point?: There are positives and negatives...do the negatives outweigh the positives? Or is it vica versa? You have to decide for yourself..

ps: To the OP ...saying that you cheat and you feel sooooo good..almost sounds like you are saying it with a rebelliousness...just an FYI that it might be taken like that to some to suggest that you are rebelling against the program.