General chatter - Am I right to be angry at my doctor??




misski
04-16-2012, 12:48 PM
This has been posted on Yahoo Answers. I'm on fire because I was very upset about what happened today. I just need somewhere to rant so I'm all over the place! This long message may contain a lot of grammatical, and perhaps may even spelling errors, but I was just typing fast out of frustration. I took a day off to go to the doctors, hoping to get answers about my PCOS (I know I have it). I also have a permit application that he had to fill out. Here's a quote:

I just want to ask because I came to the doctor's today and I'm very, very sure that I have this syndrome (all symptoms apply and I was even told by my health teacher who was a nurse that I may have it because of one GLARING physical symptom that I have and my irregular periods). I only came in to ask about it and perhaps be put on medication. If he would've just said that I don't need it and I shouldn't be concern, I would've been more satisfied.

He instead raised his tone and talked to my grandma and mom as if I'm a child and that I don't know what I'm talking about. He improperly tested my blood pressure because I felt zero pressure around my arms. Last time when I came in, my blood pressure is normal and I was 40lbs heavier. Now all of a sudden, it's high? I think he was trying to prove a point that I'm wrong about my affliction because "all it is, is morbid obesity". I assure that that he improperly tested my blood pressure because I didn't feel ANY pressure around my arms!!

I lost my cool, but never once insulted him or was being physically threatening. I just told him repeatedly that I'm right and turned to my mom and said that I'm right about it and that I guarantee it. I said that my health is first and that all I wanted was some help.

I honestly believe that he may be embarrassed that he doesn't know what the syndrome I came in with is about. I wrote it down on a paper. That's why he reacted the way he did. I don't think he even knows what he's talking about. Everything that I ever request is denied by him in several different occasions:

I wanted med for my anxiety and he turned it down because it's "normal". When I went online, anxiety meds are supposedly the easiest form of medication you can get from a doctor if you tell him that you have anxieties. I have horrible, debilitated anxiety problems and I wanted help because I had to perform a huge play. I was instead denied without real reason.

I wanted to have my keloids removed and he always changed the subject. I decided not to bring it up anymore.

I wanted to get on a weight loss med that can help me assist my weight loss journey, and he turned it down. I never come out of his office satisfied or with answers that are helpful!!

He said that his purpose of a doctor is useless because I rely on things on the internet and that everything online is trivial. I shouldn't self-diagnose myself, he said. I even had to tell him what the suspected syndrome is because he didn't seem to know (but it was written down on paper).

He thought I was 16 when I'm 18 now. He completely dismissed my concerns and raised his tone to me. I equally raised my voice.

Do you think I have a legitimate gripes against him? Should I report him? Yes, I'm very upset about this. I think I'll get over it, but I don't think it's right what happened to me.

I don't know if I'm wrong about the blood pressure test, but I know that normally, you have to feel a lot of pressure around your arm. Last time when I was 37lbs heavier, my blood pressure was 120/90 (not 80). Now it's "high" according to him, but he didn't even tell us the numbers.

Also, he just kept going on and on about my morbid obesity. I said YES, PCOS can also be caused my morbid obesity. He didn't seem to get it so I'm pretty sure he doesn't know what PCOS is. He's an old, Asian doctor who barely speaks English. I have horrible experiences with foreign doctors. I need an American (not suggesting that non-Americans are bad, but the 2 that I've gone to is horrible... I swear that I'm shy and very soft-spoken so I don't give people a hard time. Today just rubbed me the wrong way, so I made a little scene at the office (never once insulted him or being physically threatening!).

I also specifically said I wanted Metformin and he said that's only for people with diabetes. I know for a fact that people have been put on Metformin because of insulin resistance, which is what I have (which is also why I have acanthosis nigrican!).


Volschika007
04-16-2012, 12:57 PM
I would be extremely ticked off. Its your doctors job to investigate any problems you might be having and not just dismiss them. I would start going to someone else. Is there another doctor at the same facility you could try? It sounds like this doc is just frustrated b/c ppl keep coming in trying to diagnos themselves on the internet...but that's something doctors just have to deal with. Their job is to determine if something is really wrong -whether it be the illness they think they have or not. Something could still be wrong.

You shouldn't have to do this, but if u choose to stay with your doctor maybe try approaching it differently. Tell him your symptoms first and dont suggest what could be wrong with you. Maybe if he tries to diagnose you before you tell him what you think it is he'd be more open to figuring it out - altho it sounds like he just wants to blame everything on your weight. But like I said, you really shouldn't have to do this. If I were you I would have switched doctors a long time ago.

Exhale15
04-16-2012, 12:59 PM
We all have bad days, even doctors....but if you are never happy with your interactions with your doc, you should really find someone else to go to. Sounds like you've tried...time to move on to someone who will show you some respect and address your concerns.


free1
04-16-2012, 01:12 PM
DEEP BREATH....I know from my own personal story how frustrating it can be to not have a physician listen to you when you know something isn't right.

Remember, physician's PRACTICE meeting. They are practicing....applying their knowledge and their medical philosophy to each patient. Some docs routinely dispense meds...others will refuse to dispense the same meds. What one doc says is PCOS, another doc may not.

The bottom line is that you deserve a practitioner that listens to you and respects your opinion- even if he/she doesn't agree. I had a doctor who everyone else claimed was brilliant but was HORRIBLE to me. I switched (everyone thought I was crazy) but I knew he wasn't right for me. Keep looking and get a second opinion. Even if you are right/wrong, you deserve to be respected!!!

threenorns
04-16-2012, 01:20 PM
i remember going to an east indian doctor. he barely looked at me when i walked in for the first time and asked "so why are we here today?" (kind of giving the impression that i'm there wasting his precious time AGAIN!??? when it was a first visit).

i said "i have an ear infection."

he stiffened right up and said haughtily "i'll be the judge of that!"

and i let him have it with both barrels: "i have lived my life with hare lip and cleft palate and don't you DARE tell me i don't know when i've got otitis media!"

he kept opening his mouth but i wouldn't shut up - i was SO sick to death of being treated like a brainless slab of meat by doctors.

after he apologized, we got along great.

misski
04-16-2012, 01:23 PM
Looks like a lot of people on Yahoo answers took the side of the doctor.

I understand that there are a lot of people who mistreat others and their doctors, and get upset when they don't get the medication that they desire.

But I'm such a soft-spoken person that people often take advantage of me. It was just this time, it pissed me off so much that I raised my voice. He was being so rude and dismissive that I blew up.

I honestly didn't need the medication. I wanted a real test done. I ASKED for it, but apparently he doesn't do tests.

There are so many misdiagnosis in the world and the consequences are often death. The doctor said point-blank that I don't have PCOS, but he literally didn't know how to pronounce it (which I had to for him).

I asked him over and over again how does he even know, but he couldn't tell me. I can guarantee you that he doesn't know what PCOS is. I can bet my life on it! He said I need a second opinion from a Children's Hospital.

Gosh, I'm so fired up... I'm just angered with the fact that this man, just because he has a medical degree from Vietnam, it allows him to mistreat and give him the pass to be right all the time. Judging by so many people online, it looks like people are willing to accept a doctor's opinion regardless. Medical degree doesn't equate to being right all the time, especially from a man who has no idea what PCOS is.

I read online a lot on how people often self-diagnose themselves. Yes, we're not medical doctors, but we know about ourselves. We know about the symptoms. Does it hurt to do research and inquire about it?

Dammit... End of rant. I'm so angry, I haven't even eaten yet.

VirgoChic
04-16-2012, 01:26 PM
On one hand, I do feel that if you're not feeling like your concerns are being taken seriously then you should of course seek another doctor to go to. If you believe you have PCOS and are resistant to insulin (this can actually be tested for because I know someone who went through the necessary blood work) then you should seek the help of an endocrinologist. I'm assuming your doctor may not be well-versed in PCOS & IR because he is a general practice doctor and not a specialist.

If your anxiety is that bad then perhaps you should seek help from a psychiatrist, who again specializes in those problems. General practice doctors are usually reluctant (an rightfully so) to immediately prescribe medications (especially to minors which I'm assuming you were at the time you asked for it).

My friend was diagnosed with PCOS not by her primary doctor, but by her gynecologist who took the time to do an ultrasound and actually saw the cysts and also took her symptoms into account. He then referred her to an endocrinologist. I believe these types of doctors are more helpful in cases such as yours.

misski
04-16-2012, 01:35 PM
On one hand, I do feel that if you're not feeling like your concerns are being taken seriously then you should of course seek another doctor to go to. If you believe you have PCOS and are resistant to insulin (this can actually be tested for because I know someone who went through the necessary blood work) then you should seek the help of an endocrinologist. I'm assuming your doctor may not be well-versed in PCOS & IR because he is a general practice doctor and not a specialist.

If your anxiety is that bad then perhaps you should seek help from a psychiatrist, who again specializes in those problems. General practice doctors are usually reluctant (an rightfully so) to immediately prescribe medications (especially to minors which I'm assuming you were at the time you asked for it).

My friend was diagnosed with PCOS not by her primary doctor, but by her gynecologist who took the time to do an ultrasound and actually saw the cysts and also took her symptoms into account. He then referred her to an endocrinologist. I believe these types of doctors are more helpful in cases such as yours.

That's what I asked for. I wanted a test. If he isn't familiar with PCOS, he should've been honest and say that I need to refer to a specialist. He shouldn't have said that I don't have it when he's not even sure what it is.

I'm over it, already, though. I seriously always have bad experiences with doctors. This is why I tend to self-diagnose myself and I always try to "treat it" myself because I don't trust doctors at all. I don't go to the doctors very often, unless if I needed something to be filled out for school.

The internet helps with ranting. Thanks everyone. I'm moving on and finding a new and more helpful doctor who I can trust.

Volschika007
04-16-2012, 01:37 PM
misski - i really can't blame you for blowing up and i totally get that all you wanted to be tested to find out what's wrong with you whether it be PCOS or something else. I really feel its a doctors job to do SOMETHING before just saying "no you're wrong. you're fine." If you're like me, you know when something is wrong!

This is a little different but I went to a doc thinking I had a UTI. This might be TMI but, the only thing wrong with me is that my urine smelled funny. My doctor could have very easily dismissed me and thought I was being ridiculous for coming in because it smelled funny, but he took me seriously and tested my urine. It came back clean. He said he'd send in for lab work just to be sure. A few days later I got a call saying that I DID have a UTI and that I needed to get on antibiotics! Had he dismissed me when my only symptom was a funny smell, I would have just gotten even worse and been knocking at his door again.

Point is, at least get a second opinion. Even if you don't want to switch your doc I wouldn't just take his word for it and move on since he did nothing to check. Maybe even ask for a referral to a specialist - not sure he'd do it tho. I just wouldn't give up finding a doc to take you seriously and be sure that nothing is wrong.

bargoo
04-16-2012, 01:37 PM
I don't know you or the Doctor in question, but it seems you are telling him what is wrong when it should be the other way around. From what you are saying he probably thought you were being rude. If it were me I would find another Doctor give him my symptoms and let him diagnose it.

misski
04-16-2012, 01:42 PM
I don't know you or the Doctor in question, but it seems you are telling him what is wrong when it should be the other way around. From what you are saying he probably thought you were being rude. If it were me I would find another Doctor give him my symptoms and let him diagnose it.

I swear to you that I wasn't being rude. I went in, all smiles and sweet. He threw the index card down and dismissed me for being naive (trusting the internet) and writing nonsense. I laughed at first until he wouldn't stop with the insults.

I'm so shy that I literally wrote it down on a card for him to read. That's how bad my anxiety is. Anger seems to alleviate my anxieties, but I don't want to be angry all the time...
misski - i really can't blame you for blowing up and i totally get that all you wanted to be tested to find out what's wrong with you whether it be PCOS or something else. I really feel its a doctors job to do SOMETHING before just saying "no you're wrong. you're fine." If you're like me, you know when something is wrong!

This is a little different but I went to a doc thinking I had a UTI. This might be TMI but, the only thing wrong with me is that my urine smelled funny. My doctor could have very easily dismissed me and thought I was being ridiculous for coming in because it smelled funny, but he took me seriously and tested my urine. It came back clean. He said he'd send in for lab work just to be sure. A few days later I got a call saying that I DID have a UTI and that I needed to get on antibiotics! Had he dismissed me when my only symptom was a funny smell, I would have just gotten even worse and been knocking at his door again.

Point is, at least get a second opinion. Even if you don't want to switch your doc I wouldn't just take his word for it and move on since he did nothing to check. Maybe even ask for a referral to a specialist - not sure he'd do it tho. I just wouldn't give up finding a doc to take you seriously and be sure that nothing is wrong.

Wow, I wish I have your doctor. I know there are some good doctors around my area... I just need to find one. Thanks for understanding

astrophe
04-16-2012, 01:45 PM
I sure would be mad! You are not a kiddie -- you are a young woman. Teen, fine. But OLDER teen and it is like he talked right over your head to your relatives!

Have you read the inciid faq? Start there.

http://www.inciid.org/faq.php?cat=infertility101&id=2

Esp the labs area.

Have Mom look into it too. If you can get mom on board maybe she can help find a better doc! Could a female doc be better? And what is this type? Family practice? I love my family practice -- she's my age and awesome. Even if she doesn't know she's willing to help find out. I like, but seem to have run out on my endoc's expertise level. But she too is willing to try. Maybe a female doc would listen better?

Don't go to pediatric. I know you can go til 21, but don't go there, and don't go to family practice. Unless what you need is a referral first with your insurance. I'd be looking at an endoc or a reproductive endoc to check out the hormone probs. OB/GYN isn't the right one either. I know it is CALLED polycycstic ovarians syndrome, but that's just one symtom. It is an endocrine disorder. So get to the endocs. And I'd move it NOW while still covered under parents at 18. Because part of my long wait was once I hit college I aged out of my parent's health coverage and was too student broke to get my own yet.

He's poo-pooing you without even bothering to run tests. That's just unbelievable. Even if he does not think the reason is PCOS, your having missing periods indicates something wonky with the period hormones. Duh. So at least test the hormones, right? The reason the hormones are weird could be thyroid or something other than PCOS but at least TEST!

If you can borrow "It's my Ovaries, Stupid" and "The Savvy Woman's Guide to PCOS" by Elizabeth Vliet from the library, I'd hit that next. Sometimes high testosterone/androgens causes the anxiety thing. ( I know it well -- that's part of my case. Ditto weight. I'm one of the PCOS/IR/Syndrome X types. Do you know we come in at least 5 presentations? ) (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/pcos-insulin-resistance-support/223873-poll-what-type-pcos-patient-you.html)

Hang in there. I endured a long doctor parade too before I got the dx. On the bright side, you are a young womand NOW. This guys sounds clueless but many others are not. And hopefully you will get to a better doc sooner than I did. I had to wait 10 years even though I knew I was wonky at 16!

:hug:

A.

misski
04-16-2012, 01:49 PM
I sure would be mad! You are not a kiddie -- you are a young woman. Teen, fine. But OLDER teen and it is like he talked right over your head to your relatives!

Have you read the inciid faq? Start there.

http://www.inciid.org/faq.php?cat=infertility101&id=2

Esp the labs area.

Have Mom look into it too. If you can get mom on board maybe she can help find a better doc!

He's poo-pooing you without even bothering to run tests. That's just unbelievable.

If you can borrow "It's my Ovaries, Stupid" and "The Savvy Woman's Guide to PCOS" by Elizabeth Vliet from the library, I'd hit that next. Sometimes high testosterone/androgens causes the anxiety thing. ( I know it well -- that's part of my case. Ditto weight. I'm one of the PCOS/IR/Syndrome X types. Do you know we come in at least 5 presentations? ) (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/pcos-insulin-resistance-support/223873-poll-what-type-pcos-patient-you.html)

Hang in there. I endured a long doctor parade too before I got the dx. On the bright side, you are a young womand NOW. This guys sounds clueless but many others are not. And hopefully you will get to a better doc sooner than I did. I had to wait 10 years even though I knew I was wonky at 16!

:hug:

A.

Thank you SO much. Made me feel so much better. Thanks a lot. I need to eat something now. Lol! I'm not angry anymore... Well, I still am, but I'm fine now. :) I'll research on a new doctor. I want a female doctor this time since I'm more comfortable with women.

LeilaJey
04-16-2012, 02:04 PM
I'd say go to a different Doctor. I understand it's frustrating to be treated like that, but I can also kinda see the Doctor's point of view. They see streams of people self diagnosing day after day and most of the time they don't have the illness they think they do. Hey I was one of them.. I thought I had a thyroid condition, I had all of the symptoms (including family history) and it would have explained a previous medical problem I had. I was convinced I had it and I thought my Doctor was really rude to me for no reason. Well I didn't have it. Y'know if you look at the symptoms for any disease you're likely to have at least a few of the symptoms, and if you haven't written down your symptoms before hand you're more likely to look at other symptoms and feel "oh yeah I have that". Also there's a lot of misinformation on the internet and each illness people have don't follow the same pattern which is why it's hard to diagnose diseases. Especially if you're just using a list of symptoms on the internet.

I'd still definitely get it checked out by another Doctor though.. could it be something else?

Good luck and hope you feel better!

Porthardygurl
04-16-2012, 04:05 PM
Soloution: Change doctors...and call him a doorknob without a knob

misski
04-16-2012, 04:23 PM
I'd say go to a different Doctor. I understand it's frustrating to be treated like that, but I can also kinda see the Doctor's point of view. They see streams of people self diagnosing day after day and most of the time they don't have the illness they think they do. Hey I was one of them.. I thought I had a thyroid condition, I had all of the symptoms (including family history) and it would have explained a previous medical problem I had. I was convinced I had it and I thought my Doctor was really rude to me for no reason. Well I didn't have it. Y'know if you look at the symptoms for any disease you're likely to have at least a few of the symptoms, and if you haven't written down your symptoms before hand you're more likely to look at other symptoms and feel "oh yeah I have that". Also there's a lot of misinformation on the internet and each illness people have don't follow the same pattern which is why it's hard to diagnose diseases. Especially if you're just using a list of symptoms on the internet.

I'd still definitely get it checked out by another Doctor though.. could it be something else?

Good luck and hope you feel better!

Thank you, and I understand what you're trying to say. BUT, this is what I think:

I happen to believe that if I'm concerned with something, there's no harm in doing my own research and self-diagnosing. In this case, there's 99% chance that I do have PCOS because of my acanthosis nigrican. Read what happened to me. Just the rudeness alone makes him wrong.

But in any case at all, a patient have the rights to research their own bodies and to see what's happening to them. Doctors shouldn't have that big of an ego to feel threatened when their own patients play doctor by themselves. If it happens to be wrong... Well hey, there's no harm in LEARNING. There's no harm in understanding what exactly is going on. Give me tests, refer me to specialists... Just don't dismiss me, be rude to me and don't talk to me as if I'm a child.

Again, do you know how many misdiagnosis is happening around the world? How many times have you heard somebody complain about their doctor? I have every right to self-diagnose and come to you as a patient in confidence that you'll help me understand what's going on. Doctors are there to assist us in times of medical needs. I did just that but I was treated like a criminal.

I honestly wish I can say that I'm over what happened, but the more I think about it, the more infuriated I am. It's affecting me so much that I don't even feel like working out.

Thank you, though. I understand that you're looking from both POV. I still maintain that he reacted the way he did because he doesn't know what PCOS is.

mandalinn82
04-16-2012, 04:33 PM
In this case, there's 99% chance that I do have PCOS because of my acanthosis nigrican

Just a minor point - acanthosis nigricans is not only caused by PCOS. You may have non-PCOS-insulin resistance. Obesity alone can cause it in some people. There may be genetic factors. Even lymphomas can cause it. Having AN doesn't mean you have PCOS, although it may be an indicator that you have insulin resistance (which could be from PCOS, or from something else).

Here's the way I see it - whether your doctor was wrong or right is irrelevant, as is whether you have PCOS or some other endocrine imbalance. At this point, you do not trust this doctor to be a good steward of your health, which ultimately will discourage you from getting medical care when you need it. Also, you are a researcher, you self-diagnose, and that obviously does not work for that particular physician. So it's time to find yourself a new physician. You might want to see an OB/Gyn for this, as they may have more experience with PCOS in general, or be more open to referring to an endocrinologist.

Candeka
04-16-2012, 04:41 PM
From what I understand from your post (and I am sorry if I am wrong, I kind of read it in a hurry)... is that one time you asked for anxiety medication, the next time you asked for weight loss pills or a special diet, and then the time after that you think you have PCOS? If I was a doctor, I would think you are either a hypochondriac, someone who expects medicine to fix every problem or someone who really wants some type of pill for some reason.

I am NOT saying this is true. I am just saying that from a doctors point of view, I'd be very leery of believing what you say. This is because I am married into a family FULL (and I seriously mean full, more than I can count) of people who are addicted to medications, have gone to jail for faking prescriptions or go CRAZY if they don't get their pills. They go from doctor to doctor just to get anxiety pills, pain pills, anti-depressants. You name it. A few of them are red listed because of it. Anyways, Anxiety pills are not easy to get. They don't just give them out. The doctor needs to have a good reason to give them to you. Generally, if you have both your grandmother and mother in there, the doctor is going to assume you are not an adult. Because of this, he is going to not want to give you medication. No one likes giving medication to young people. Especially if he thinks you are a minor and your mother isn't talking to him about the anxiety problems she thinks you have. You can usually tell when someone has anxiety. When my husband has attacks (btw, he's not one of the crazy pill popping family members)... he will literally have to go to the hospital if he doesn't have his medication. Luckily, he only has attacks about once every 6 months now... He ONLY takes his medication when the attack happens. They are very addicting pills. My MIL takes about 5 A DAY, and if she doesn't take it, she FREAKS.

Which leads to my next question.... why was your grandmother and mother in the room?

Sorry if I misread anything you wrote. I am not saying you a crazy pill popping fiend. I am just playing devils advocate here and can completely understand where the doctor is coming from. But there is an easy solution... change doctors. But I would not start with "I need anxiety pills, plus weight loss pills, o and I think I need medication because I believe I have PCOS"

threenorns
04-16-2012, 06:24 PM
candeka: i have the exact same problem as you - my mother is *embarrassing* with the pill thing. she *insists* she has a bad thyroid, a bad heart, something's wierd with her digestive system so she has to have all kinds of wierd food (but that somehow magically clears up when haagen-daasz and his buddies ben and jerry come in the room).

this is how bad it is: when ppl go to a strange city, they generally scope out the hotel, the restaurants, the sights, right?

her? i'm not kidding: the first question she asks the cab driver is where is the nearest walk-in clinic, emergency, and pharmacy!

she's got 3 doctors in three different cities and i swear her main doctor down south up and died just so he could get away from her.

anyway, we have the same doctor here in the town i live in and, even though she has (for real!) driven to his house to knock on his door and ask for a prescription because she thinks she has a bladder infection ("aaaaaaaaaaaaaagain!" even though 90% of previous bladder and UTI infections were negative on the lab results - which, of course, were clearly not done correctly), when i go in and say "i'm having these symptoms - could it be such-and-so?" he will listen to me carefully, ask me questions, then say "no, it can't be such and so because you also have this" or "~ you don't have that." then he'll say "however, i notice this and that so what we're probably looking at is yadda-blah. you can probably wait it out and it will self-clear or i can give you these chinese herbs or i can write you that prescription. which would you prefer?" or he'll even say "that's a good guess but to make sure, let's get some bloodwork done" or whatever.


THAT is how a doctor should be: an educator in health, not a demagogue.



now, misski: speaking of your mother and your grandmother - if they cannot advocate for you better than that, leave them out in the waiting room next time.

LeilaJey
04-16-2012, 06:52 PM
Thank you, and I understand what you're trying to say. BUT, this is what I think:

I happen to believe that if I'm concerned with something, there's no harm in doing my own research and self-diagnosing. In this case, there's 99% chance that I do have PCOS because of my acanthosis nigrican. Read what happened to me. Just the rudeness alone makes him wrong.

But in any case at all, a patient have the rights to research their own bodies and to see what's happening to them. Doctors shouldn't have that big of an ego to feel threatened when their own patients play doctor by themselves. If it happens to be wrong... Well hey, there's no harm in LEARNING. There's no harm in understanding what exactly is going on. Give me tests, refer me to specialists... Just don't dismiss me, be rude to me and don't talk to me as if I'm a child.

Again, do you know how many misdiagnosis is happening around the world? How many times have you heard somebody complain about their doctor? I have every right to self-diagnose and come to you as a patient in confidence that you'll help me understand what's going on. Doctors are there to assist us in times of medical needs. I did just that but I was treated like a criminal.

I honestly wish I can say that I'm over what happened, but the more I think about it, the more infuriated I am. It's affecting me so much that I don't even feel like working out.

Thank you, though. I understand that you're looking from both POV. I still maintain that he reacted the way he did because he doesn't know what PCOS is.

I understand, sorry the way I wrote my message was probably a bit short as I'm really tired. You are completely right and he treated you badly. You could complain as obviously you did nothing to warrant his rude and dismissive behaviour. He doesn't sound very professional, that's why I think you should see another Doctor. Unfortunately you might end up seeing several.. I've had to go through a few and it's hard to find ones that are genuinely compassionate/good at their jobs. I didn't mean to make excuses for his ego, I just had a chat with a Doctor about this recently and I could see where he was coming from but not that it would excuse rude behavior.

I think it's good to look things up to an extent but it's a tricky one... for me anyway, as I've had a lot of strange health problems.

Hope you feel better and get it sorted. :)

misski
04-16-2012, 09:58 PM
If I was a doctor, I would think you are either a hypochondriac, someone who expects medicine to fix every problem or someone who really wants some type of pill for some reason.

I'm not a hypochondriac. I've come to him maybe 3 times. I bring up issues that I want to bring up. Obesity, anxieties and PCOS concerns are not something you just all of a sudden "think you have". It's so obvious because:

I wanted to drop out of high school BECAUSE of my anxieties. I had a 3.8GPA and I won a 2011 Top Student award. Overall, I'm a very good student and despite that, I wanted to drop out because I was sick of my anxieties. The counselor convinced me not to. It's a very debilitating disorder. Someone here say that it's connected to high testosterone levels, which I believe.

I'm over 100lbs heavier than I should be. I heard a lot of people have success using prescribed weight loss medication, so I came to him and inquired about it. He automatically shut me down and said I don't need it, but I didn't make such a big deal. I said, "Oh well" and moved on.

I have irregular periods, mild hirsutism and acanthosis nigrican. I'm pretty sure I have PCOS because I have all the symptoms (literally all of it). I also have a very mild form of hidradenitis suppurativa (which is now in remission) and a lot of women have both of these afflictions. If I don't, what's the harm is checking for it?

The reason why my mom and grandma was in the room is because that's how the doctor operates. He does not accept appointments, only walk ins and you have to wait your turn while he chats it up with patience. It's very crowded, usually, with people who seem to only come by to talk to him, particularly this one man who went in, took over 1 remaining seat and just spoke with the doc without getting a checkup. It was so loud and obnoxious.

He brings all families into one room, not individually. There's really no privacy because we get weighed in front of everybody, and they never check your vision. It's crowded because he only works from 10-12PM.

Thanks LeilaJey

Sorry guys! I don't mean to keep on ranting like this!! I'll look for a new doctor! :D I hate it when I go into this mode. Lol.

threenorns
04-16-2012, 10:02 PM
clearly, you are not in canada bec that would be absolutely illegal.

under the Right to Information and Privacy Act of Canada, doctors are not allowed to conduct business in the presence of other people if you don't want them in there and they cannot discuss private details where others can overhear.

REALLY REALLY REALLY get yourself another doctor. come visit me - i'll introduce you to my dr, dr wu - you can be shy at each other in decent privacy and he'll take 3-1/2hrs to get to the bottom of what's ailing you and everybody in the waiting room will sit and patiently wait and maybe order take-out bec that's what you do in his clinic.

not kidding: rhonda, the receptionist, has to leave at 5pm. dr wu's back at 6. the clinic is left open in the meantime. when the phone rings, it's a patient asking how many ppl in the waiting room - one of us gets up and answers it if rhonda's gone or busy.

misski
04-16-2012, 10:16 PM
clearly, you are not in canada bec that would be absolutely illegal.

under the Right to Information and Privacy Act of Canada, doctors are not allowed to conduct business in the presence of other people if you don't want them in there and they cannot discuss private details where others can overhear.

REALLY REALLY REALLY get yourself another doctor. come visit me - i'll introduce you to my dr, dr wu - you can be shy at each other in decent privacy and he'll take 3-1/2hrs to get to the bottom of what's ailing you and everybody in the waiting room will sit and patiently wait and maybe order take-out bec that's what you do in his clinic.

not kidding: rhonda, the receptionist, has to leave at 5pm. dr wu's back at 6. the clinic is left open in the meantime. when the phone rings, it's a patient asking how many ppl in the waiting room - one of us gets up and answers it if rhonda's gone or busy.

Not to mention the walls are very paper thin so you can literally hear every whisper inside his office. It's very embarrassing when I weighed myself, the receptionist said my weight really loud in front of others. The scale is literally next to another patient!... :o

threenorns
04-16-2012, 10:20 PM
ugh.

yeah, his are right out in the hall but he asked me (back at the beginning) if i wanted him to close all the doors (and he would've - all up and down the hall!).

he's adorable.

Suzanne 3FC
04-17-2012, 12:44 AM
Misski, I see you've lost 69 pounds so far, congratulations!! Whatever you are doing is working :yes: You sound concerned about the symptoms of PCOS that you are experiencing, and that's understandable. Medication isn't always helpful or necessary to reduce those symptoms though. Weight loss itself can frequently reduce the symptoms of PCOS, so if you do indeed have it then you could see a reduction in the symptoms as you continue moving towards your goal.

PCOS can be easily misdiagnosed, so a visit to an endocrinologist or ob/gyn should be your first step. You need to be properly poked and prodded :lol: Your current doctor isn't qualified to help you in this area, or even with anxiety for that matter. Honestly, he sounds like the kind of doctor you might go to if you need a flu shot but not for anything that needs a diagnosis :dizzy: Acanthosis nigricans can be caused by many things, as Amanda pointed out. The right doctor will sort you out.

I agree with the others, leave Mom and Grandma at home or at least in the waiting room. You are 18 now so your doctor is not allowed to discuss your health in front of anyone without your permission.

Good luck :)

Amy23
04-17-2012, 07:17 AM
I have PCOS too. I understand your frustration.

And yes, you were right to be angry! I could have written your post, tbh. I saw an Indian doctor last time who was very inexperienced with PCOS and she didn't do anything that I asked her to do.

Go to a different doctor pronto. You need to have your PCOS confirmed via ultrasound and blood tests, I imagine, and then seek out some treatment.

Good luck!

Amy23
04-17-2012, 07:19 AM
P.S. Some doctors will take one look at you and, no matter what symptoms you're experiencing, the diagnosis will always be 'FAT!' It's true, sadly.

Amy23
04-17-2012, 07:22 AM
clearly, you are not in canada bec that would be absolutely illegal.

under the Right to Information and Privacy Act of Canada, doctors are not allowed to conduct business in the presence of other people if you don't want them in there and they cannot discuss private details where others can overhear.

REALLY REALLY REALLY get yourself another doctor. come visit me - i'll introduce you to my dr, dr wu - you can be shy at each other in decent privacy and he'll take 3-1/2hrs to get to the bottom of what's ailing you and everybody in the waiting room will sit and patiently wait and maybe order take-out bec that's what you do in his clinic.

not kidding: rhonda, the receptionist, has to leave at 5pm. dr wu's back at 6. the clinic is left open in the meantime. when the phone rings, it's a patient asking how many ppl in the waiting room - one of us gets up and answers it if rhonda's gone or busy.

I want to move to Canada and stay there forever. For reals. :(

fitness4life
04-17-2012, 09:36 AM
I saw a report that most Docs size up the patient and make a judgement before the examination. This is a dangerous human nature thing because it leads to misdiagnosis.

I've never even heard of the ailments you inquired about. At age 18, you are well read when it comes to obesity related illness. It could be that this Doc sized you up as a hyperchondriac and dismissed you before you even opened your mouth.

Get to another doctor. If that Doc is dismissive, too, go to the psychologist and investigate if it could possibly be true that you are possibly being hyper-vigilent about your health.

threenorns
04-17-2012, 09:39 AM
I want to move to Canada and stay there forever. For reals. :(

we got lots of room, lol. 97% of the country is unoccupied.

P.S. Some doctors will take one look at you and, no matter what symptoms you're experiencing, the diagnosis will always be 'FAT!' It's true, sadly.

AARGH!!!! you had to remind of that skank roumanian doctor!!!!!! couldn't speak english, couldn't speak french - pretty sad when she's licensed to practice in canada and i can't understand her in either official language!

not kidding: for me, **********everything*********** was "lose weight - you'll feel better".

"doctor rusu, my knees are killing me" - "lose weight, you'll feel better"

"doctor rusu, i have a nasty cough" - "quite smoking. oh - you don't smoke? lose weight - you'll feel better"

"doctor rusu, i have an arrow in my knee" - "lose weight, you'll feel better"


for my bf, who was not overweight, everything was "quit smoking" and for my daughter, the one who wasn't overweight, everything was a "bug bite".

swear ta gods, according to that doctor, entire colonies of biting insects and spiders were lining up just to chomp on my kid: diarrhea, coughing up mouthsful of phlegm, bloody nose, fever, oozing from the ear canal, all of it caused by bug bites instead of gastroenteritis, bronchitis, high blood pressure spike, flu, and ear infection (not, you know, all at the same time - just sayin')!

zoritsa
04-17-2012, 02:06 PM
i remember going to an east indian doctor. he barely looked at me when i walked in for the first time and asked "so why are we here today?" (kind of giving the impression that i'm there wasting his precious time AGAIN!??? when it was a first visit).

i said "i have an ear infection."

he stiffened right up and said haughtily "i'll be the judge of that!"

and i let him have it with both barrels: "i have lived my life with hare lip and cleft palate and don't you DARE tell me i don't know when i've got otitis media!"

he kept opening his mouth but i wouldn't shut up - i was SO sick to death of being treated like a brainless slab of meat by doctors.

after he apologized, we got along great.

I had the same thing happen once.Went in for strep throat,and when I told the Dr what was wrong...he scoffed at me like I didn't know what I was talking about.He took one look at my throat and apologized.He even told the nurse that yes,I was right all along.

To the original poster:I don't like when Dr's seem to not listen and react as if the patient knows nothing.After 40 years,I finally had a Dr listen to me when I told her about a cough I get every winter and when I exercise.She prescribed an inhaler to see if it would help,and it does.So she believes I have asthma,but it took since I was a baby for anyone to do anything about it(my mom did try too...but no one could figure out what it exactly was,much less a treatment that would work).Can you look into other Drs? I've had to search for a few years till I found one I liked...but sadly,she's left and I have to look again.

threenorns
04-17-2012, 03:52 PM
if you haven't seen this site before, check out www.ratemds.com - dunno if you have one in the states, but it's great if you're in canada.