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ddc
03-19-2012, 05:09 PM
I live in a county that has a leash law.
My neighbors across the street have a dog that they got as a puppy sometime late last year. They just let him out loose in their yard. He goes in the street and chases cars. I know he's going to get hit by one someday.

So, this afternoon my son found a turtle in our back yard and I thought it'd be fun to take it down the street to a lake access ramp and put it out near the water. I wanted to walk my dog -on her leash- down there for some exercise.

We start down our driveway and the dog across the street sees us and immediately starts barking. I just ignore it and continue walking past, then another dog, up the hill in the direction that we're going, starts barking and coming towards us. I told my daughter, who had our dog on the leash, for us to just turn around and go home. In the mean time, the first dog is following us up our driveway and then the owner comes out and is calling it--it's paying no attention--and she follows us all the way up to my house. I said to my daughter "come on, we can't even walk our dog in our own neighborhood" and the lady said "excuse me, you don't have to be rude". I guess she didn't think it was rude that she had no control over her dog!! Plus she was now on my property!

I thought we were going to have a fun walk and it just turned out bad :(


Sum38
03-19-2012, 05:17 PM
People regard their animals as their children.... I do. The difference is, I expect ALL my children to behave :)

Maybe next time you could approach her in a positive and straight forward way? -- To me it was "catty" way of handling things...sorry :( Just be honest with her... that usually goes LONG way. Tell her how it makes you feel. Comments under breath are...hmmm...not productive ;) or if you really wanted to tell that to your child; please tell her when the "defendant" was not in an ear shot.

Good luck!!

redhead14
03-19-2012, 05:20 PM
Report them!! Make the police or sheriffs department remind them that it is the LAW for them to keep their dog on a leash. It is for the dogs safety just as much as for people. We had the same issue it took a couple calls to the police before the people figured it out that I wasn't backing down.
Be bold and report them!


Sum38
03-19-2012, 05:22 PM
Report them!! Make the police or sheriffs department remind them that it is the LAW for them to keep their dog on a leash. It is for the dogs safety just as much as for people. We had the same issue it took a couple calls to the police before the people figured it out that I wasn't backing down.
Be bold and report them!

they still need to stay as neighbors, though. What if their child played out past dark during summer months, or if they had friends over for a few drinks and the neighbors called cops...Nice goes loooong way :)

bargoo
03-19-2012, 05:34 PM
Report them to animal control.

Sum38
03-19-2012, 05:43 PM
bargoo; Why not talk to them just kindly? Why such drastic measures?

I watch my dog like a hawk, but if she some how got out, I would prefer my neighbors talking to me instead involving the "law". And on many occations some of my neighbor's dogs got out by accident.... no one called animal control...lol even with the annoying ones that get out all the time :lol:

Do you live in a neighborhood? Are you friendly with your neighbors? I value my neighbor relations. They watch my house when I am gone etc.

bargoo
03-19-2012, 05:51 PM
These people are breaking the law. I had to report a neighbor once for the same reason, I did tell them I was going to do that and I did, and yes my dog was always on a leash.

Sum38
03-19-2012, 05:54 PM
These people are breaking the law. I had to report a neighbor once for the same reason, I did tell them I was going to do that and I did, and yes my dog was always on a leash.

I know they are...but we all do from time to time....

theox
03-19-2012, 05:59 PM
Report them to animal control. Loose dogs can be a threat to pedestrians, motorists, and other pets.

theox
03-19-2012, 05:59 PM
I know they are...but we all do from time to time....

We do?

mandalinn82
03-19-2012, 06:06 PM
They ARE breaking the law. But unless I felt it was unsafe for me to do so, I would never call any official agency on any of my neighbors without talking to them first. If you go over, say "Hi, it is unsafe for both your dog and mine for yours to be running around unleashed - can you please keep him/her in the back or etc", there's a good chance the problem will get resolved WITHOUT you ruining your relationship with your neighbors. Going straight to animal control gains you an enemy. Why would you want an enemy to live across the street?

Second time you go over, you escalate..."Hi <name>, I am really not OK with your dogs being off leash. I'd really rather not have to call animal control to get this situation resolved".

Third time, you call, and you know that you did all you could to handle this with your neighbor without escalating immediately to the authorities.

peachypeg
03-19-2012, 06:12 PM
At this point.....them knowing you are not ok with it....(and no it wasn't catty.....just down right rude of them to expect you to be ok with their dog on your property)....I would flat out call your county agency. Here in my county it is the pound that handles it. And no, I don't see you being "friends" with this neighbor.....I would not want a friend like that anyhow. Nice is one thing.....having loose animals is another.....especially if they are larger dogs.....even "nice" dogs can hurt kids.

Sum38
03-19-2012, 06:16 PM
We do?

Sometimes I go 57 on 55 MPH zone :o :o :o I even see people going 60 MPH on 55 MPH zone. ;)

Okay I am done now :D

ETA: It sounds like the neighbor's dog is still a pup....

ddc
03-19-2012, 06:22 PM
I realize that I was *****y and didn't act appropriately with the neighbor.
I was aggravated and I should have handled it differently.

They are not neighbors that I'm going to be relying on to watch my house for me or anything. That house has always been a rental and there are so many different cars there that I'm not sure how many families live there. And most people don't live there very long either.

threenorns
03-19-2012, 06:32 PM
speaking as someone who goes through this A LOT - and i mean A LOT - bec i live in a small country town (farms, hunting, etc) where lots and lots of dogs run loose, the one thing you do not do is turn around and walk away from a barking dog because you are reinforcing the barking dog's behaviour.

do not look at the dog - nobody looks at the dog. correct your dog if she does.
do not talk to the dog.
do not make eye contact with the dog.

all those things can add just that bit of tension to a situation to make it explode.

keep on your way with a steady pace and make sure your dog is walking on the other dog's "off" side (iow, you are between the two dogs - this also applies when encountering another dog being walked on leash - the owners should be in the middle with the dogs on the outside); this will hopefully prevent the dog's personal spaces from overlapping.

if the dog actually does become aggressive (it's not as common as the media would love you to believe - most "aggressive" dogs aren't - they're just hyper or ill-mannered, not actually trying to eat ppl) then let your dog off the leash. keeping your dog on the leash is not good because a) you are transmitting your tension to your dog which will escalate the situation beyond what it should have; b) you are releasing your dog to deal with the situation; and c) you are vastly reducing the chance that you and anybody with you will be attacked by the dog bec the dog will target your dog instead.

if your dog is indeed properly socialized, she will teach the other dog the proper way to behave - and i'm not talking an outright fight. most likely your dog and the other will tear-*** around for a bit playing "i'm better than you are!" and once you see they've wound down (they'll stop for a moment and just pant) you can call yours back and continue on your way.

i've only had 2 cases where it got ugly and both times were escalated by the loose dog's owner shouting and screaming at their dog to get back here NOW! and so on. both times my dog had to pin the other dog down (he puts his chin and one foreleg over the other dog's shoulders and then bears down until they drop to the ground and submit) but i've never had to take him in to get treated for battle wounds.

oh - another thing i do: i trust MY dog. i don't look at the other dog - i watch mine. if he's happy and playful and wagging his tail, i don't have a problem with the other dog no matter how loud and frenetic they are.

if, however, my dog goes very still and stiff and unblinking, then i remove us from the situation asap.

i've had cases where i've seen what, to me, was a very aggressive dog lunging and howilng and snarling at the end of the leash and dandy starts whirling around into a playbow - okay, fine. no problem.

and i've had cases where i've seen what to me seemed a perfectly lovely dog except dandy immediately went on full alert so i moved us off the path and kept him (and my daughter and me!) out of range of the other dog.

ddc
03-19-2012, 06:39 PM
Thanks threenorns. I knew that about not making eye contact, but my dog was reacting and when I saw the other dog up the hill in our path, I just decided to bail.
Thanks for the advice.

I was thinking of getting a stun gun or a golf club to walk with.

Candeka
03-19-2012, 08:07 PM
I would nicely talk to the neighbor first. I have to agree that what you said was catty, however I also understand that it is hard to control sometimes (I've been down that loads lots)

With that said, I think calling any type of law enforcement prior to having a real conversation is what is wrong with a lot of people today. Whatever happened to actually talking to those that live around us without jumping to the very last step. I wouldn't want my children to rush to me with every single little problem without trying to handle it first and I wouldn't want my neighbor calling parking bylaw just because I park in front of her house on the odd occasion.

I think the authorities should only be called if the neighbors refuse to respect the laws AFTER you have spoken to them. Some people are just oblivious and need things pointed out to them. Plus, you have to live near them, even if they are not the kind that will be watching your house. You don't want to start a neighborhood turf war for no reason!

XLMuffnTop
03-19-2012, 11:38 PM
There's an aggressive chihuahua that someone two houses down lets out in their front yard multiple times a day to use to relieve himself despite the housing having a fenced backyard. He also barks right outside our bedroom window as late as midnight keeping me awake.

I find these people creepy so I called animal control. Heck, I would have called animal control even if they weren't creepy. It was an anonymous call and all they did was go over and inform them on the leash law and if they disobeyed again they'd receive a citation. They're there so we don't have to do all the policing and raise tensions.

And I really don't think you were catty; I know I would have said fair more and worse (if my kids weren't in hearing range! :D )

GlamourGirl827
03-20-2012, 04:45 PM
You weren't catty at all. The neighbor's remark says it all, that she feels entitled to break the law and endanger others, which is very disrespectful to all the neighbors in the area...but she wants to continue to receive respect. Report her.
Mu husband is a practitioner in the ER and sees endless dog bites as a result of "friendly dogs" that the owner always whine about how the dog never did this before and didn't mean it. People that are too lazy to put a leash on their dog should not be allowed to own them. That's what it is, pure laziness. It takes all of 5 seconds to leash a dog, I know because I've owned them.


I've had unleashed dogs come at me twice in a nasty way. No wiggling butt or tail, but ears back barking. The one I maced, which pissed off the owner, but I told her to stick it, because she was the lazy one not leashing her dog. The other one I would have maced, but I was running a well known path that is in a wealthier area of town where people obey the leash laws, and stupid me left the mace at home. The dog came at me, and passed me circled around and the owner caught it on the way back. And say what you will about my assumption of the dogs being leashed in wealthier neighborhoods, where I live, there are less safe areas, where ot is common to find people that don't leash their dogs. And I wouldn't even be so annoyed if they were 10 lbs dogs, but they always seem to be these big breeds that area known for being aggressive.

I carry mace only because of dogs. And after macing the first one, and realizing how hard it is to aim, and having had another unleashed dog come at me in a different place, I am getting a good size quick release blade, and I'll keep it in my pocket. The first dog I maced, I missed its eyes for the most part, but it stopped coming at me after that. I think the liquid kind of startled it a bit. BUT had that dog kept charging I would have been screwed. I am not getting bit because some jackass can't leash their dog.

As a runner and a mother that takes my young kids out for walks, nothing's gets me pisssee that the utterly selfish, rude, inconsiderate stupidity of people that don't leash their dogs. There I said it.

Your neighbor she be thanking you, because had that been me with my kids, she'd had been taking a trip to the vet. Normally, I'm very kind to animals, but when it comes down to my and my kids safety and a dog owner that's a moron, well, I do what I have to do.
And no, we don't all do it. ( let our dogs out with out a leash)

Ugh, this topic really ticks me off.

Thighs Be Gone
03-20-2012, 04:58 PM
IMO, the lady was wrong for letting her dog out but RIGHT about saying you didn't have to be rude. While it may have felt good in the moment to have some little bit of retaliation, in the long run it won't do anything for you. It won't solve the problem or earn you any points socially either.

Would it be possible for you to go to her house and apologize and try to explain why you were so frustrated? That is probably what I would like to do.

Like you, I am a total and complete rule follower. However, having to deal with the world will absolutley drive me MAD if I let it on things like this. In the grand scheme of things, it really isn't a big deal. I am sorry you didnt get a chance to let out the baby turtle the way you wanted. I absolutely CAN understand your frustration.

Don't let the world's problems become your own.

Thighs Be Gone
03-20-2012, 05:00 PM
Oh, and for a "normal" dog, a water gun is all you need to get them to leave you alone. If you are dealing with an aggressive one, get a belt clip of mace.

SensualSiren
03-20-2012, 05:56 PM
I would not apologize. If this had been a one time incident, then your comment would have been catty. Since this is a recurring issue, she should be the one to apologize. I also agree that you should call the authorities rather than speak to her. If you speak to her and nothing changes, then she will know it was you who called the authorities when you eventually have to call them. At least you can remain semi-anonymous if you call now. I get so tired of selfish people infringing on my or anyone else's right to enjoy regular daily activities, which includes wild dogs running around the neighborhood preventing people from carrying out their day-to-day activities. On a related note, I also hate it when people let their dogs poo everywhere and don't pick it up. I live in an apartment complex with courtyards that we are supposed to be able to enjoy (with clear signs that say pick up your poo and free baggies), but people are always letting their dogs, usually not leashed, poo without picking it up. I do not want to step in your dogs poo! I also do not want your dog barking at me, licking me, jumping on me, tripping me, etc. I do not understand why people think it is cute for their dog to do any of these activities. If your unleashed dog runs up to a complete stranger and begins licking them, do not laugh. Some of us do not like this.

On a slightly unrelated note, I think that the comment that we all commit crimes is a stretch. If it were appropriate to use the example of a person driving 2 miles over the speed limit as an excuse that we should be more forgiving to people who commit larger offenses, then we wouldn't need jail. Also, where I live some police officers issue tickets for even one mile over the speed limit (good luck arguing that your speedometer said that you weren't speeding). Maybe we should all be a little more dedicated to following the rules. We have them for a reason.

Sum38
03-20-2012, 06:03 PM
SensualSiren So you have never , ever gone over the speed limit? Ever?

I find your post comical, because my guess 99% of the population has gone over the speed limit at least once in their life time.

Sum38
03-20-2012, 06:06 PM
We need more tolerance what comes to each other. -- People make mistakes, I do all the time. Because no one is perfect.

Candeka
03-20-2012, 06:14 PM
I would not apologize. If this had been a one time incident, then your comment would have been catty. Since this is a recurring issue, she should be the one to apologize. I also agree that you should call the authorities rather than speak to her. If you speak to her and nothing changes, then she will know it was you who called the authorities when you eventually have to call them. At least you can remain semi-anonymous if you call now. I get so tired of selfish people infringing on my or anyone else's right to enjoy regular daily activities, which includes wild dogs running around the neighborhood preventing people from carrying out their day-to-day activities. On a related note, I also hate it when people let their dogs poo everywhere and don't pick it up. I live in an apartment complex with courtyards that we are supposed to be able to enjoy (with clear signs that say pick up your poo and free baggies), but people are always letting their dogs, usually not leashed, poo without picking it up. I do not want to step in your dogs poo! I also do not want your dog barking at me, licking me, jumping on me, tripping me, etc. I do not understand why people think it is cute for their dog to do any of these activities. If your unleashed dog runs up to a complete stranger and begins licking them, do not laugh. Some of us do not like this.

On a slightly unrelated note, I think that the comment that we all commit crimes is a stretch. If it were appropriate to use the example of a person driving 2 miles over the speed limit as an excuse that we should be more forgiving to people who commit larger offenses, then we wouldn't need jail. Also, where I live some police officers issue tickets for even one mile over the speed limit (good luck arguing that your speedometer said that you weren't speeding). Maybe we should all be a little more dedicated to following the rules. We have them for a reason.


She made a catty remark about the dog to the woman. The woman is going to know who called the authorities because of it, so there is no "semi-anonymous". With that being said, if the woman is going to know it is her, why not try to talk about first before taking it to the extreme level of calling the authorities. Why can't people just talk to each other about things prior to need to involve other people. That is just asking for an unneeded escalation. You don't know that the issue can't be solved with a friendly chat. As someone entering the justice field, its calls like these that will make me shake my head and laugh (while shedding a tear) for what society has become.

Sum38
03-20-2012, 06:18 PM
She made a catty remark about the dog to the woman. The woman is going to know who called the authorities because of it, so there is no "semi-anonymous". With that being said, if the woman is going to know it is her, why not try to talk about first before taking it to the extreme level of calling the authorities. Why can't people just talk to each other about things prior to need to involve other people. That is just asking for an unneeded escalation. You don't know that the issue can't be solved with a friendly chat. As someone entering the justice field, its calls like these that will make me shake my head and laugh (while shedding a tear) for what society has become.

Amen!

Sum38
03-20-2012, 06:24 PM
I just want to give the OP credit here. She said she did not keep her cool. -- I totally understand why she lost her cool. :hug: I do that all the time, but I feel very very sad what drastic measures people are willing to take.

And as I said before, I think this is a very young dog in question who has not had the time to mature.

GlamourGirl827
03-20-2012, 07:59 PM
I would not apologize. If this had been a one time incident, then your comment would have been catty. Since this is a recurring issue, she should be the one to apologize. I also agree that you should call the authorities rather than speak to her. If you speak to her and nothing changes, then she will know it was you who called the authorities when you eventually have to call them. At least you can remain semi-anonymous if you call now. I get so tired of selfish people infringing on my or anyone else's right to enjoy regular daily activities, which includes wild dogs running around the neighborhood preventing people from carrying out their day-to-day activities. On a related note, I also hate it when people let their dogs poo everywhere and don't pick it up. I live in an apartment complex with courtyards that we are supposed to be able to enjoy (with clear signs that say pick up your poo and free baggies), but people are always letting their dogs, usually not leashed, poo without picking it up. I do not want to step in your dogs poo! I also do not want your dog barking at me, licking me, jumping on me, tripping me, etc. I do not understand why people think it is cute for their dog to do any of these activities. If your unleashed dog runs up to a complete stranger and begins licking them, do not laugh. Some of us do not like this.

On a slightly unrelated note, I think that the comment that we all commit crimes is a stretch. If it were appropriate to use the example of a person driving 2 miles over the speed limit as an excuse that we should be more forgiving to people who commit larger offenses, then we wouldn't need jail. Also, where I live some police officers issue tickets for even one mile over the speed limit (good luck arguing that your speedometer said that you weren't speeding). Maybe we should all be a little more dedicated to following the rules. We have them for a reason.

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